Lori Spagna: All I know is the next thing I know, I was,
for lack of a better word, like tele-transported on
ship and I had room to move.
I had space to move.
I was interacting with beings that I recognized
and yet didn't recognize, if that makes sense.
And that is where I think most of my gifts really
started to be brought online
Rod Bland: I'd like to welcome to the show, Lori Spagna.
Thanks for being here, Lori.
Lori Spagna: Thanks for having me.
I'm so excited to be here, with you.
Looking forward to our time.
Rod Bland: Yeah, me too.
So you've been a light worker for a very, very long time.
I think it's at least 20 years, right?
Lori Spagna: Mm-Hmm.
Yeah.
It goes back even further
if you count like pre-professional.
Rod Bland: okay, cool.
I wanna talk to you about what you're up to these days.
But first, can you tell us how your journey down
that spiritual path began?
Lori Spagna: Yeah, I would say my big, um, catalyzing,
awakening moment if there was one, was when my brother died
of an unexpected drug overdose and I started getting messages
from him pretty quickly.
I didn't know in a conscious way that I
necessarily could do that.
I.
Or that I had that ability, but it was very clear
and it took me about a year to unpack that.
Like, what the hell's going on here?
Is this real?
Am I making this up?
And after about a year of like testing it and doing
all those things you do, like if this is real, show
me this, and all that kind of stuff, I, I really got it.
It, it was
real.
That was my brother connecting with me.
And it wasn't long after that that I started getting
messages and connections from all kinds of like,
so-called dead people.
That's where it started.
That was just the catalyst.
From there, it was
like I started working with animals and I was getting all
these messages from animals, and they were all saying like,
we're gonna help you learn what we are here to do and how
we are here to help humans.
And it just, it just kept snowballing.
It just got more and more from there.
So I could go on with the whole story, but that
was the catalyzing, that was the beginning of it.
Rod Bland: So tell us a bit more about how, how did
the message come to you?
Was it a dream or
were you fully conscious, or how did that work?
Lori Spagna: No, with my brother it was all the time.
Always.
it was like constantly coming in.
Hey Lor, this is how it started.
Uh, my name is Lori.
We're, we were born in New York, so he, my family
lineage, we all have like this heavy New York accent and it
would come in like as if he was talking to me, Hey, Lor,
it's your dead brother, Jeff.
That's how it sounded in a New York accent.
And I'd be like, like what?
And it just kept coming in like that over and over again.
Initially, like I could hear it and then I'd be like,
okay, if I'm really hearing you, Jeff, show me this.
Show me that.
And you know, there were sometimes it was eyes closed,
meditative states of trying to connect with him that way.
All kinds of things would be lighting up.
Sometimes It was wild things that would stick
out from bookshelves and.
Even still, that was just the beginning.
It was like the, the big kicker was I was living in
Los Angeles at the time and he had this dog named Herkimer.
And it was like, I knew that I had never heard of a Herkimer
diner and just one day I was walking down the street, like
looking at the ground, and all of a sudden I heard in his
voice look up and I was like.
What, like look up.
So I stop and I look up and there's this sign, Herkimer
Diner, and I was like, I had just never heard that
word or that name Herkimer.
That was the name of his dog.
That was probably the, the moment I realized like,
I'm not making this up.
Like I heard that, you know?
So anyway, from there, I I, what ended
up happening was just to elaborate a little.
I.
I ended up quitting.
I had a six figure job at that time, and I was smoking two
packs of cigarettes a day.
I was like drinking excessively.
I was on tons of pharmaceutical drugs from
well-meaning doctors.
My hair was falling out.
I was just, I was a mess.
I was miserable in corporate America, and the big message
from my brother was like, if you don't change your ways,
you're gonna end up like me.
Like you need to quit.
You need to change.
So I quit that job and I became a dog trainer,
and I started getting messages from the dogs.
The message was like, the repeating message was, we are
here to help humans and you need to like tune into what
we are here to teach you.
If you listen, we'll teach you.
So that was like where it started.
Then I ended up moving to Maui.
And I got into all the healing arts.
I got my Reiki master.
I started doing like all these esoteric practices.
I started learning, working with energy, and I was working
with a, um, a man who knew he had been studying in
like the Himalayan Mountains with all these masters.
So he knew how to work with energy like.
Nobody's business.
And what ended up happening was I, I do these energy,
we do these energy works together in group.
What ended up happening was while I lived in
Maui, my dog at that time, her name was Kenya, she
ended up transitioning.
I was like broken, like when she died, I just
wasn't ready to handle that.
And I remember going into the class with him, that
teacher that day, and I was like, please, can you just
help me know where she is?
Like I was in just so much emotional pain at
that moment, at that time.
So he put me in the middle of the room And now what I think
I know that he did was he activated the DMT in my brain.
Then I would never have known that.
All I knew was that I was like dead according
to what I understood.
There was no body, there was no nothing.
There was just, I somehow moved through some kind
of awareness at that time.
This is me sort of telling you what I knew at that time
where I became, in a sense.
Still my individual self, but at one with everything.
Like I heard every thought, every word.
I saw, everything.
Like, I don't know how else to say that.
And then I met with my dog, even though she was not
in a physical body either.
She was just her consciousness and she
was like, I'm okay mommy.
Everything's fine.
Meanwhile, at that same kind of moment, 'cause
it's beyond time, right?
All these beings who I ever knew, not only from this
life, like I knew them all.
I saw them all, they were all there, but
just in consciousness.
Not like necessarily like bodies.
Although, yeah, anyway, and it was like, so I was so blissed
out, like beyond bliss, right.
Anyway at some period of time, but it had to have
been two hours later 'cause that's how long the class
was on those, that was a Thursday night class
where my teacher did that.
At some point, I, he snapped his fingers or
I heard him in a way and he was like, that's it.
1, 2, 3.
Snapped his fingers.
And there I was like, in the center of this room.
Now this is what happens with all that energy.
My body's flopping around like a fish, right?
Because that kind of energy.
Is more powerful than our bodies can't really handle it.
I call this floppy fish syndrome When light starts
moving through the body, right, your, your body
can't, the physical body can't really handle that
much light initially.
So, but everybody in the room, in the circle starts
taking their two fingers just to put it on me.
Now we go for probably was like a half an hour.
We're all in fetal positions.
Hysterical, laughing, like hysterical because that's
what this energy does to you.
From this non-physical place.
Right.
It's just, it's beyond love.
Anyway, I'll add one more piece to this story
since you're listening so well, right.
With that, what I, I think what happens to us when
we go through some kind of like near-death, this
is like a near-death,
but not in a traditional sense of a, not in
the hospital, right.
But the light that we are and the consciousness that we are.
Lights up in reality, like somehow there are so many more
beings in the non-physical and beyond this physical reality
who become aware of us.
So, or maybe somehow that we kind of become, they become
more conscious like, ah, this person or this being
is becoming more conscious.
They're not just like a.
Like a sandbag, like a, you know, a human walking kind of,
so-called unconscious person.
Sometimes they refer to us in ways that seem kind of
derogatory, like, you know, sandbag or zombie or whatever.
But in any case, after that I had a first
contact experience.
That's where I'm going with this, because I think there
were beings who became more a aware of me, and
that first contact was.
That was a very real lucid experience.
So what I'll say is that same teacher I was working
with, he would instruct us to meditate through the night.
He would tell us, don't go to sleep.
And he would say things like, you know, get your body to
believe it's sleeping, but keep your consciousness
aware and stay lucid.
So I would practice this every night, and I lived
in Maui, so I would do this on the deck of my house,
which was on a golf course in one particular night.
I was doing it at some point, which I remember in
my memory to be about two o'clock in the morning.
I remember like opening my eyes and I saw a ship.
Now this ship was too low to the ground and doing circles,
like, it wasn't like a, um, you know, a satellite.
It was circles and it was not like a so high in the
ground, in the sky that it was a star, like it was a ship.
And at that time I was already so telepathic, but at
the same time not conscious enough of how telepathic.
So I just remember thinking back then, Oh, you, you
must be here to help.
I really didn't get it Rod.
I didn't get it.
I didn't know that there's like, so-called like
benevolent ones and then not such benevolent ones.
So I just thought like, oh, you're here to help us.
Like this is all pre-2012.
I thought they were here to help us, so I was like, oh,
if there's anything I could do to help, all I know is
the next thing I know, I was, for lack of a better word,
like tele-transported on ship and I had room to move.
I had space to move.
I was interacting with beings that I recognized
and yet didn't recognize, if that makes sense.
And that is where I think most of my gifts really
started to be brought online.
Because I remember like at one point, one of the beings
did implant me, and I remember at one point they were like
doing what I would call these like downloads, which now I
know were activating dormant parts of my consciousness.
Then I wouldn't have known that like the next
day after that happened, I was so freaked out.
I was like screaming.
I was so angry, like what the F happened and what,
what is all this stuff?
And I was getting all these downloads like
in my consciousness.
I couldn't make sense of them.
And all I kept hearing was, you'll know
when the time comes.
You'll know when the time comes.
So this is what I, anyway, that is where it all started.
That's a long story.
Rod Bland: It was on my list was because you
mentioned in your notes that you're a contactee,
and so that was one of the stories I wanted to hear, so
that's, that's fascinating.
I've been reading the, uh, well, I've finished
reading the book of Ra, so I've read all four
books and now I'm starting to read the instruction.
I dunno if you're familiar with that work,
and they talk about how you've got some of the.
Uh, contactees are, uh, they're, they're from
the Orion constellation.
There's some who are a bit more service to self-oriented,
and then there's some from other places.
So it sounds like you had contact with some of the
good guys that are more sort of interested in service to
others in developing that.
Is that right?
Lori Spagna: Well, here's how I identify with it and, and
the sense that I've made of it through like regressions
and just years of unpacking this and working with my
own consciousness on it, is that, that that group
that contacted to me was many, um, different groups.
Unified, you know, in terms of working for the light
and that, that is my, what I would identify as my star
family through my lineage.
And the way I identify it now is that I, uh, I, I
connected with a, a so-called future version of myself
and braided that, I didn't, my personality self didn't
do it, but my consciousness braided that future version
of myself in with my present version at that time and over
time, or the experience of integration unified in a sense
with other aspects of me.
So I see myself as what I call a braided star seed.
That the star family lineage that I'm connected with,
which is multiple, multiple races integrated and sort of
awakened what was within me.
Which is just really, to me, we all have all of this.
There's not anything we don't have.
It's just that's how my unique journey went.
Does that make sense?
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Yeah.
So when you are walking, working in corporate
America, that's a.
I, I mean, we'll talk in general terms.
People are quite, uh, re realists, you know,
based in physical reality.
So what was it like making that sort of transition
from there to then working with dogs and then all these
other things happening?
How did you cope with that, and how did your
family and friends cope
with that too?
Lori Spagna: That is crazy.
First of all, when that happened, I, what I didn't
say was within two years of leaving corporate.
America.
Think this.
After college, I spent 20 years in corporate
America, and in those 20 years, that's when like
everything went wrong.
I started smoking two packs a day of cigarettes.
I was drinking like six beers a day.
I was, I told you I was on those pharmaceutical drugs.
My hair was falling out, my thyroid was off.
I was really excessively overweight.
I would drink coffee all day, alcohol all night.
Couldn't sleep, couldn't wake up.
Really unhealthy behaviors, like things that I, if I
had shame left in my body, I would feel shame about,
but I have healed that.
And then, yeah, spending crazy.
I had like six figures in credit card debt.
I was living that way for 20 years because
I was so miserable.
I would go home every night after work and I would cry
like to my father 'cause he was my false authority
at that time, where I gave my power to my dad, right?
'cause I, that's the way we're raised.
And I'd be like, I'm so unhappy.
I'm so miserable.
What do I do?
I'd cry every night and he'd be like, you stick it out.
Stick it out.
But that was his upbringing.
He wasn't being a bad guy.
That was just what that's how he was raised.
So when I left corporate America, what was really
interesting, what happened was I had this very brief
marriage, like it lasted like a minute, but that was somehow
what my unique soul needed was a false male authority to
give me permission to quit.
Corporate America thinking that I would have this
false mail authority A.K.A.
my husband at that time, who would stand by my
side and take care of me if it didn't work out.
But the moment I quit that six-figure job with the
six-figure credit card debt.
He was out of there because he was like, dead people, no,
I didn't sign up for that.
You going off your meds?
No, I didn't sign off for that.
Like he just wasn't on board with any of it.
But the, so he divorced me.
That's when I moved to Maui after like a year of
dog training and realizing like, I can do this on my
own, like I can do this.
And as soon as I moved to Maui, all that
stuff disappeared.
In other words, I went off pharmaceutical drugs forever
and I mean, I was on massive doses of pharmaceutical
drugs, like ridiculous amounts from, well-meaning
doctors, the six-figure credit card debt was gone.
Like I was told in guidance, start forgiving
the banks, forgive them.
'cause I was waking up to all the conspiracy.
I was starting to realize that slowly.
So I was practicing forgiveness 'cause I was
being told, like, forgive the banks, forgive yourself.
Forgive the credit card debt.
Forgive the credit card companies.
So I started getting letters from the banks, your credit
card, this debt is forgiven.
Like, that's insane, right?
Has that happened?
This is like how it was reflecting.
The smoking went away, like I didn't even want it anymore.
The alcohol completely went away.
My, I healed my thyroid myself because I was
learning healing modalities.
My hair started growing back again.
I mean, it was just, everything changed
so much faster.
So 20 years of living in misery and then two years of
getting rightly aligned with my, what I call my true path.
My path of, you know, right alignment with my soul's true
agenda and all those things were gone within two years.
No, no struggle to get rid of the smoking.
No struggle to let go of alcohol.
No struggle to pay off the debt.
Those were like miraculous things for me, so
that's pretty amazing.
Rod Bland: Yeah, it is.
So I, I also read you've had an NDE, it's a near-death
experience at some point.
Can you tell us about that?
Lori Spagna: Yeah.
Well That was the experience I was telling you about with
the um, the teacher that I was working with in Maui.
He was teaching us how to use energy and how to work
with energy, and he's the one who that night that
my dog died and I went to class that night and I was
like bawling my brains out.
I was really crying.
I was like, my dog died.
He's the one who was teaching us how to still our
bodies through the night, through meditation, through
like letting our bodies get to that space of just
non like awake and alert without falling asleep.
Right.
And he's the one who I think, the way I
explain it.
I think what he did was he activated the DMT in my brain
so that I had that near death.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Rod Bland: I, yeah, I, I, I missed that part.
So it's a bit like, uh, in, uh, Robert Monroe's books, I'm
not sure you've read those.
His in Journeys Outta The Body, the first book he wrote,
it was talking about mind, mind, awake, body of sleep.
So that's what, what you're achieving.
I find that interesting because I tend to, I,
I tend to fall asleep.
When, when I try to do that.
So how, was that just through practice and training that
you were able to achieve that?
Or was there anything special
about what you were doing?
Lori Spagna: Well, let me say first, I never
read any of the Ra books,
but I'm really familiar from hearing about them and I never
read any of the Monroe books, but I'm familiar with them
from hearing people about people reading them.
Um, but the way, what I was doing was my teacher,
whose name was Max.
He would just say to us, do not let yourself go to sleep.
You know, he would tell us to, to work on being
fully present and conscious without thinking, without
emoting, without moving.
We were working on complete stillness and through that
state, if you can maintain that, the body goes into sleep
paralysis, you basically, your body thinks you're asleep.
The first few times it happened to me, it was, it's
terrifying in a way because you think you're dying and
here's the, which in a way you are, but you're not dying.
You're just leaving the body.
But the thing is, is like the moment you have the
thought of a fear, it stops.
It's so annoying, right?
Because you almost have to go through a few times
where you're like, oh, I just had the thought, damn.
The moment you have the realization 'cause you, not
only do you think you're dying and you have the thought
which interrupts because the, the electromagnetic
of the thought, Interrupts the leaving of the body.
You can't leave the body if you're having a thought.
At the same time, the energy that it
triggers 'cause the thought triggers an emotion,
triggers an energetic, like the energetic is
all Rippling through the field.
The energetic is fear.
I'm dying.
So it stops the experience.
Does this make sense?
You have to manage to get through that experience
without having the thought or the electromagnetic
experience or the fear, right?
If you can do that and stay still, then you're
basically moving into another state and what, at
least in my experience, what happened was there was this.
The best way to describe it is a moment where I
could hear everything.
I could hear everything.
A moment where I could see everything.
It was like I heard everyone's thoughts from everywhere.
I could see everything everywhere.
And then there was like experience of
nothingness and from there everything is there again.
It's, that's the way I best can des can best describe it.
There was one time, 'cause like I said, this was
after the divorce with my husband, then husband.
He was not interested in any of this and at one
point I decided through like astral travel to go visit
the house where we lived in and sort of spy on him.
I wasn't trying to be out of integrity.
I was too immature at that time to understand that
that's, that's not Ethical.
Like, that's not something I would ever do now, nor would
I teach anyone to do that, but at that time, I just
loved him and missed him.
So I went to go like astral
travel to see like, what's he up to?
What's going on?
Is he, you know.
Yeah, it's like another form of psychic spying, I guess.
And um, you know, what do they call that when
you're haunting someone?
I don't know.
Anyway, so, but what happened was I get to the house
where we once were, and there's a picture of a woman
on the desk, and in that space, it, it wasn't me.
And out from the picture in a sense, this woman
comes out, but she looks like me, but she's not me.
And she punched me in the third eye.
And said, get outta here.
So after that, I had this horrible vertigo, like
the worst vertigo ever.
Like I was so like Vertigoed out for like two days.
So I never, I learned my lesson.
I never did that again.
But you do all kinds of things when you're in the early
stages, you don't know, right?
You don't, I didn't know what I was doing.
I didn't have anyone training me, you know?
Rod Bland: yeah.
Lori Spagna: that's kind of how you learn.
Now, I would never do anything like that because over the
years I have learned that I really am only interested
in serving the light.
I really, that is my desire.
To me, the light is the expansion of consciousness.
The light is the elevation of humanity, the upliftment
of humanity, the, um, return, the restoration of, of power
to the person, to the human.
So I just from that perspective, I, I could
care less about any of that other stuff.
I'm not interested in it, you know?
Does that make sense?
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Yeah.
It's interesting.
There's another, uh, guest of mine, Darius J.
Wright, who you probably don't know, but it's fascinating
to me that the way that you describe, uh, getting
to the out-of-body state and putting your body to
sleep, and then the fear that goes with the sleep
paralysis is exactly the same.
exactly the same.
yeah.
Lori Spagna: I have heard of him.
I, I don't, I've never studied with him or taken any
of his classes or anything, but I've heard of him, so
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Yeah.
So I've got a few more questions just in relation
to, I know you work with two-legged and four-legged.
Um.
Hm.
Beings.
Is that, that's what I was looking for.
Um, so in, in your, uh, writings about animal
communication, you talk about how there's this
intuitive bond between humans and their pets.
So can you, uh, share an example that stands out
to you where that bond was really pivotal in, in
transforming a, a challenging,
you know, behavior in an animal.
Lori Spagna: Yeah, well.
they're like limitless, right?
Let me say this.
The animals as a collective, right?
Animals as a collective, are here to anchor in the
consciousness of, and the energy of all the virtues.
Which are like the highest qualities that the human
species is learning.
So the virtues of magnanimity, like you can put a dog into a
jail and he will love or you know, you can put an animal
into any horrible place and he still is magnanimous.
He still loves them all.
No judgment, right?
Or forgiveness.
You don't, they don't have to learn forgiveness, right?
Or equanimity.
They don't necessarily need to learn that, right?
They're bringing these virtues in.
The other thing is that animals speak a
universal language.
So the language is the language of energy.
So if humans could learn this, this language of
energy, we would all be a lot better off, right?
Because energy is like, if you think about everything
we're doing, everything we are, it's all energetic.
If we feel in a contracted state, a contracted
state is like those, those energies that that
really weigh us down.
Worry, doubt, frustration, anger, resentment,
judgment, blame, shame, grief, regret, remorse.
I.
Those energies are contracted, right?
And those contracted energies will contribute to our misery,
our upset, our suffering, our unhappiness, our density,
and ultimately dis-ease, lack, limitation, right?
The animals are overall holding a frequency of
light that is expansive, elevating joy, love,
like birds are singing, they're etheric, right?
So overall, they're bringing that light energy.
Into physicality and helping us to recognize that.
But they at the same time recognize like if
their human has some form of density, the animals
are like sponges, right?
They'll absorb it as a way to help resolve it in the
dynamic where they are.
So, 'cause the thing is, is like if an animal is in a home
with a human, they will absorb the energy to mirror it back
to their human and reflect it, Hey, this is what's going on.
So going back to your original question, which I
was more elaborate, let's say there's a human is having,
um, some form of dis-ease.
Like just today I worked with a, a client student
and her beloved bird.
This never happened before in her household.
All of a sudden, in the middle of the night, woke up like
screaming, dropped off his perch and was in the cage.
Like screaming, like through his, his beaks, right?
And she called me like, what's going on?
This has never happened before.
Like we were so worried for this bird and they
love this bird so much.
And so anyway, tuned in and I'm like, well,
something has thrown this bird off off his perch.
That's d de-balancing and it's connected to your husband.
What has gone on with your husband That is so like
throwing him off balance that has him so hyper stressed
because that's what this bird is sharing with me like,
and I'm cutting through it.
Right.
The story of it, but she's like, that's true.
Actually my husband just had to take a job that
is, he's never had a job.
He's always been his own boss.
He's so stressed out, he's so upset.
So the bird takes this energy on to say to the humans, this
is what's going on with you.
This energy isn't working for you.
You need to change the energy or choose something different.
So once we communicate that, I communicate that,
you know, translating for the bird in a sense.
The woman gets it.
She's like, oh my God, I have to tell my husband he's
totally going to get this.
And they're like, okay, we can work with that.
Right?
So it's guidance for them.
The animal knows the secrets in a sense.
The animal knows what's going on with their human.
Does that make sense?
Rod Bland: Wow.
So animals are like.
They're like healing facilitators in a way.
Lori Spagna: Yeah.
They, they're healing.
They know our secrets.
They're healing, they're energy.
I call them energy sponges.
And psychic sponges.
You pick it all up and they're Helping us, right?
Because what I didn't say.
even in the example with the bird today, after
the human, the, the woman got the message.
Then we go back to the bird and we're like,
we got the message.
Like the bird just needs to know you got their
message and now you can shift to the energy.
Like we can't stop the man from being stressed, but
we can help him to become realization, you know, more
aware of what he's doing with his energy that's
causing the stress in his environment because the stress
he's taken on and help him to recognize I can start
working with my consciousness in a different way.
I can start choosing to recognize like, this
doesn't have to be this way.
I can start trusting like there's healing energy
that comes with that.
Does that make sense?
And once the bird gets the message like,
oh, I did my work.
I, I got the message through, now I can sort of not be,
not have to take that on as much to some degree.
Because the animal wants to teach the human.
Once the animal gets it, the human gets it and the human
goes, ok, I can make change.
I can make appropriate change.
I can either manage my stress differently, make different
choices, then the animal's like phew, did my job great.
And as long as the energy in the household changes,
the whole experience and dynamic can now change.
The animal doesn't necessarily have to absorb that
same stress, especially.
Usually it's just a dynamic that happens regardless.
But if the human makes changes, then
the energy shifts.
Rod Bland: So you have this energetic approach
to working with animals.
So how does, how do you reconcile that with those
who, you know, take the more traditional approach that
isn't, isn't related to that?
When, when you're talking to people that say, haven't
got a lot of experience with training animals and, and you
talk about how you do things, how do you reconcile the two?
Lori Spagna: Well, let me say this.
I, I mean, I, first of all, most of the people
in my reality are into this stuff, so I don't
necessarily interact a lot that much with people who
aren't into it because I find it really draining.
Like I, I do sometimes interact with people who are
like skeptics or cynics, and when I find myself interacting
with them, I try to bow out pretty quickly because
number one, I recognize and honor that everyone has a
right to believe whatever they want, but just because
they believe something doesn't make it true.
Right?
There's, there's truth and truth when truth is known
it's true for everyone regardless of whether
they believe it or not.
Absolute truth, right?
There's not a ton of absolute truth in this reality
because we're living in a reality of perspective.
We're living in a reality of, of, of dynamics that allow
us with our free will to decide whatever we want and
to believe through perspective what is true for us.
But absolute truths do exist.
So when you ask me how
do I interact with people, if I'm playing with somebody,
playing, interacting with someone who is in a state of.
You know, either, you know, skepticism, cynicism,
doubt, disbelief that frequency bandwidth for me
is so dense and so heavy.
I don't enjoy it.
It's not the best area for my services because I'm at
a frequency now where I'm like, okay, if you wanna
stay there, no problem.
No problem.
You have every right to stay there, but I'm not
interested in playing with that game because that
skepticism, doubt, cynicism.
It's a blocker.
That's all it does.
It's just blocking.
It's not even inquiry.
I like in gimme inquiry any day.
Inquiry is, wow.
I, I have no idea what you're talking about.
It's all strange to me, but I'm interested.
Tell me more Or inquiry is, huh?
Like, I don't know, but I'm willing to listen.
Inquiry I love, but the rest of it, it's like the moment
I'm, I'm interacting with that, I'm like, okay, you have
every right to be that way.
No problem.
I'm just not interested in that story.
It doesn't serve me anymore
because I'm already at a space where, from my perspective,
I'm so interested in coming more and more into alignment
with source, which is the Divine, which is the
expansion and the elevation of consciousness, the
evolution of human potential.
The, the, evolution of the light that's here
to help us expand.
Why do I wanna shrink or contract again, I have
no interest in that.
I'm here to help people get outta that if they want.
But those contracted states, to me, that's an
old paradigm game that is going extinct really fast.
Rod Bland: It's almost like there's, there's two ends.
There's curiosity on, on one side, the inquiry you're
talking about, and then there's the skepticism and
cynicism on the other end.
I like people who are curious about things, even
if it's something they know absolutely nothing about and
wanna ask questions about it.
Lori Spagna: Yeah, curiosity's great.
Curiosity's fun open-mindedness is fabulous.
That opens the doors, but skepticism, cynicism, doubt
is just a blocker, right?
So like with those, going back to your question you asked
like, how do I handle that?
I just, in my mind, I bless it.
I namaste people all the time.
In my mind, I, I bow to them in my mind and I just say,
you know, I wish you peace.
Uh, if we have no business together, we have no business.
We have no business together.
Either I'm here to expand and uplift and elevate
beings around me in the human world, which I love that.
Or, I'm here to recognize them.
Choosing not to have that experience.
That's okay too.
It's a free will reality
Rod Bland: Yeah, that's one of the, I think that's one of the
fundamental truths, isn't it?
The absolute truth is that we all have free will.
Lori Spagna: for sure.
For sure.
Most people don't.
Yes.
Most people don't realize that your free will is,
what are you thinking?
What are you believing?
What are you paying attention to?
What are you buying into?
What are you giving your intent, consent,
and authority to?
What are you being witness to and what are you accepting
and allowing to be your truth or your experience?
Also, what are you choosing to feel?
How are you emoting?
What are you emoting?
What are.
What energy are you being?
What energy are you bringing into your body?
What em, what energy are you radiating out from you
and what energy are you vibrating at energetically?
These are all aspects of free will choice that we're
not really aware of yet.
Most.
But w this is part of what I, where the direction
for humanity is going.
For those of us choosing to recognize it.
Because as we do, we will be making choices more and more
that are now in this, what I call this new paradigm, right?
New paradigm is like we, us, ours.
What's for the good of all harm to none.
That is where we're going.
What is for the most benevolent, best of
all beings, zero harm.
That is the guiding force of almost everything I do now.
It's my highest intention is serve the light.
What is for the most benevolent best of
all with zero harm?
How may I serve and contribute in that direction and
in accordance with that, which that to me is God's
will.
What is for the most benevolent best of all, with
harm to none in accordance with the expansion of
consciousness, right?
Rod Bland: In your bio you mentioned, uh, the fifth
dimensional, this shift to a, a fifth dimension.
So, um, I'm not quite clear about what that is.
Could
you explain, uh, what
Lori Spagna: Yeah, well that's what I.
mean when I say Old paradigm, new paradigm Old paradigm is,
you know, the physical world that we've been living in.
And so this physical world where everything is based
in a hierarchical top down corpocracy, right?
Service to the self, to the harm and detriment of others.
Fear-based false authority program, like I call
it a program or people call it a matrix, they
call it third dimension.
It's just an old paradigm, and in that old paradigm,
everything is primarily controlled by fear,
dominance, manipulation, secrecy, coercion.
There is this overarching energy of fear that, you know,
afraid to step out your door.
You might get hit by a car.
You have no control over your future.
You're in that old paradigm.
You're basically, my guides always share, talk about
you're reading the book of your life, you think.
Most people think that for the most part,
life is predestined.
They go to their psychic or they, they think they have
no power or control over what happens to their body.
You might die tomorrow.
Everybody has the same twenty-four hours in a day.
In that paradigm, like time is constant.
I mean, just, you know, you, you give your power
to a false authority.
Your government leader, your doctor, your teacher, your
lawyer, your banker, whatever.
And overall, you're basically pretty powerless in that
reality, and that's how humanity has been living.
Now, when we refer to Fifth Dimension, different people
call this different things.
I call it new paradigm because it's a new way.
It's you restoring your authentic, your authentic
truth of who you are, your true source connection.
You're recognizing that you're a conscious free will being.
That your energy and consciousness is what
keeps you like through your choice, through your
energy, your vibration.
You are navigating reality in a whole new way.
You're bringing in and awakening more light in
and through your body, and you're expanding it
because you're much more than a physical body.
You're starting to recognize the incredible infinite
power of the non-physical reality and how to use it.
And when I say power in this reality, it's
never power over another.
It's power to bring about greatness for everyone.
It's for the good of all.
With zero harm.
You would never do anything that would hurt another.
Because in this reality, you start recognizing I'm
connected to everyone and everything, and they're
all parts of this source.
So we're all gonna do like for the good of all, right?
You start functioning from so much more of the higher
pure frequencies that are not, and higher is
just relative, right?
That are not based in contraction.
So they're the, the frequencies of joy,
excitement, optimism, enthusiasm, love, peace,
happiness, you know, those kinds of, you know,
dynamics and those are the energies you're playing
with more and more.
And you're less and less attached to those things.
'cause you're like, who wants to play with that?
That's like not even fun anymore.
So the change, and you also recognize time is malleable.
Time is construct.
Everything's construct.
So everything, you're not reading the book of
your life, you're writing the book of your life.
You are writing it.
You're saying, I'm not waiting for some external,
you know, the universe to show me a sign, because that's
just a reflection right?
Everything you start operating from an internal, but internal
is not limited to the body.
It's an internal, unified space of consciousness
where you're like, this is what I'm creating.
This is what I'm having, this is what I'm sharing.
This is what I'm offering.
This is what I'm giving.
This is so fabulous.
I want everybody to have it if they want it too.
It's a whole new way of operating.
So in order to get from Old Paradigm to new so far,
does that make sense?
'cause I'm
Rod Bland: It does.
Yeah.
And, and, and the next question was, okay, for
people that feel like they're stuck in that old paradigm,
what, what should they do?
So I think you're getting to that.
Lori Spagna: yeah.
Okay.
So the first and most important thing to do is
to recognize that you're choosing it Consciously.
That you want it and you're gonna will it.
You're choosing it.
You have to choose it, and you have to be willing.
Now once you decide, right, you start claiming a, a
like start saying, I claim, I claim my authority over
my life and I am choosing my most benevolent best.
'Cause that is, that is God's will, that is
the will of expansion.
So you just start affirming what is my most benevolent
best with harm to none.
You start living in accordance with that.
Every day you're making new choices.
What is my most benevolent best, what is for my
most benevolent best?
'Cause your most benevolent best will never
include harm to someone else That's a given.
And you, if you start asking that and living
in accordance to that
each day, your most benevolent best overall is going to
be more fulfilling, more rewarding, more positively
uplifting, more expanding.
It's going to be things that you enjoy, it's gonna
reveal to you where you're not living in accordance
with that, and you ask that, that be lovingly removed.
When you ask, who are you asking?
You're asking consciousness.
Because we are consciousness.
We're not just bodies.
We're not just humans.
We're not egos.
I really drives me crazy when people talk about the ego.
'cause that's old paradigm, right?
There's just energy.
So you're basically asking a higher consciousness,
higher being just relative.
Which is who you are a part of your future self
that's already evolved or your progressed
higher consciousness.
You're saying let this be done, like guide me that I
may move in the direction in accordance with my
most benevolent best when, so-called shadow aspects
of self, which is like old paradigm fear based beliefs,
belief systems, etc come up.
Emotions, energies.
You have to work with that.
You have to clear it out and resolve it somehow.
You either need some kind of pr, you know, practice
that works for you, that you learn, or some
kind of coach or mentor.
That's how I help people.
But you eventually learn it for yourself, right?
There's all kinds of tools and practices that you can
apply to clear, heal, and resolve those parts of you.
You, meaning all of us that are still anchored in
that old energy, that old paradigm energy to resolve
that so that you're not bringing it into your future.
And so that you're liberated energetically to be more and
more into this new paradigm.
And one other thing I gotta say is it's not a here, there,
out there, it's a within.
It's within.
We're not going somewhere.
We're transforming ourselves from within.
Rod Bland: It does.
You've gained so much wisdom.
So if you were able to give advice to your
30-year-old self, what, what would you say?
Lori Spagna: Oh my 30 year, if I was giving
my 30-year-old self, oh
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Lori Spagna: Oh, I love her so much.
I'm so sorry she had such a hard time.
I would give her please.
I would tell her, please, can you just pay attention to me?
I love you so much.
Please follow me.
I'm gonna lead you.
I'm gonna show you.
I wish she knew me.
I wish she knew me back then.
I would give her the advice and tell her, be
patient with yourself.
Love yourself.
Learn how to love yourself.
Learn how to accept yourself.
Learn how to be in total acceptance of
who you are right now.
I would tell anybody that.
Just be an acceptance that you are infinitely worthy,
infinitely deserving, infinitely valuable.
Infinitely lovable because you exist.
That's it.
You don't have to prove it.
You don't have to.
Leap off of Tall Mountain.
You don't have to do anything.
Just you are, you exist, you're worthy, deserving,
valuable, important.
You matter.
You have something to do here, something to offer.
I would tell her that and I would tell everybody that.
I wish everybody knew that like wholly,
in their whole body.
Rod Bland: Do you think that's why I, I noticed around me.
This, and I've, I'm guilty of this at times as well.
We have pain and we, we want to do something about it.
And I think that's what was going with you.
So there's, you know, alcohol and prescription
drugs and whatever else you could get your hands on.
And just so that you don't have to feel
whatever that pain is.
What do you think is going on there for a
majority of people?
I notice a lot of people are really high
functioning as well.
It's not like they're, they're, you know, they're
holding down their job.
They've got children and families and marriages, etc.
But they feel a lot of pain and they're, and
they're always trying to always do something to dull
it, you know, something
external.
Lori Spagna: Yeah.
It's the way, it's the way,
I mean, it's multiple things.
First, society is really brainwashed, right?
I mean, if you.
If you actually were to stop and taste alcohol,
do you think you would actually like it?
Like that was part of, I remember how I quit smoking.
I would, my guides and my angels were telling
me like, just taste the wholeness of the cigarette
when you breathe it in.
Really let your body taste it and feel it.
And I was like, this is disgusting.
Why do I want this?
So on the one level, we do
that stuff to suppress the pain that we're
afraid of feeling.
And if we could start to realize the pain is not
stronger than us, it is not bigger than us, it is
not more powerful than us.
And if we would be willing to allow ourselves to feel and
experience the pain, whatever it is we're suppressing or
denying with food, cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, whatever.
Just to allow ourselves even, even concepts of
lack or limitation, or not good enoughness or
this is really common.
A lot of my students and clients have this.
They're afraid of energy.
They're afraid of someone else's energy.
They're afraid of dark stuff.
They're afraid of like, you know, demons or entities.
None of that stuff has any power over us.
The only reason I it has any power is because we give it
our power because we think it has power or because, yeah,
we don't wanna face it, so we suppress with some kind
of pill or drug or alcohol or sugar food or something.
So if we're willing to be with that pain, that
discomfort, or that fear, and literally say to it, I
teach this in all my classes.
It's called the fear processing exercise, but
you can apply it to anything like you say to it you
have no power over me.
I am the love that you are looking for.
And you breathe in.
You take in the energy of love.
Just the energy of love.
Look, love is so powerful.
Some people, you think everybody wants it, but
some people can't handle it.
So you can take in the energy of peace.
Divine peace.
I am the peace you've been looking for, like stress.
You could do that with stress and anxiety.
Anyone who had anxiety, let's just say the anxiety comes up.
Oh, like they're so afraid, they're so nervous.
Whatever it is, they're so worried, and you just start
breathing in divine peace.
Just breathe as full as you can.
The body starts going into homeostasis and you just say
to all that anxiety, I am the peace you are looking for.
And you just keep breathing.
You start, you don't fight it.
Don't fight it.
Just let it know that it has no power over you
because you decide your peace, you choose that.
You breathe it in, it goes away like that.
You start realizing it has no power over you.
It can't, that energy just dissipates.
'cause now you're choosing a new energy.
You choosing to be peace, or you're choosing to
be acceptance, or you're choosing to be allowance.
Allowance.
That's a really good energy.
I'm just gonna allow this.
I'm not gonna fight it anymore.
The moment you just allow it, like, whoa, that's gone.
That energy that I've been suppressing with
alcohol, drugs, whatever, it's gone like, and then
you start realizing you don't even need the drugs
or the alcohol anymore.
Rod Bland: That's a great answer.
Um, if people have, uh, well, tell us about everything
you've got going on, or, I know you've got books
and you've got programs.
Just could you give us a, give us a summary of what
you've got going on there and how people can get in
touch with you if they want to?
Lori Spagna: That could take another hour.
Well, so my, I, my, I just launched a podcast myself.
It's called The Awakened, Elevated Human.
I'm really excited about it.
Um, my website is loryspagna.com.
I have a, a Sacred Visionary mentorship, which I work
with people and I'm helping them to learn all this stuff
and heal and resolve all these old trauma aspects.
So that's something they can learn about.
But I will tell you, I have an something that's free,
a nine day masterclass.
I teach it in cycles, and it's called the
Expansion Experience.
It's completely free.
Where people are learning to work with this energy
and shift it and change it.
And that's on my website at lorispagna.com, the
expansion experience.
One last thing I'll just offer people.
If they want to learn more about how they can
activate their dormant potential, they can get a
free gifted DNA activation.
That's a huge part of like awakening what's
dormant in us at lorispagna.com/freegifts/dna.
And if they wanna learn how to work with animals more, they
can go to like communication, telepathy, psychic abilities.
They can go to lorispagna.com/freegifts/animals,
and you can learn how to help animals on a global scale.
Great stuff in there.
Really meaty
stuff.
Yeah.
Rod Bland: Terrific.
And do you have any, anything that final that
you wanna say to people?
Any message that you'd like to leave people with?
Lori Spagna: Oh my goodness.
I guess what I'd just say, first of all, thank you.
Thank you guys for listening and Thank you.
for having me.
It's been really fun and you're an awesome host.
Rod.
You gave me a lot of space to share, so the gratitude.
Other than that, I just wanna tell people like
reclaim your power, reclaim your connection.
However you identify with your source, you may call
it God, or you may call it spirit or the universe or
the infinite or your higher self, but just reclaim that
because the greatness that is within every person, the
brilliance, the magnificence, we have the solutions
to the world's problems.
They're all stored up in our dormant DNA
in our unconscious.
They're within us.
And the more, the solution to everything in the
world is consciousness.
So the more conscious we become, the more we reclaim
that that connection with our source, which happens
from within us, the more this world and everything
magnificent that's available to us will be revealed in the
physical world, and it's time for us, it's time for us.
So that's what I will say.
Just know we are infinitely amazing beings.
Waking up and remembering that's,
that's what I'll share.
Rod Bland: That's a great message.
Lori, it's been my pleasure to have you on the show
today.
Thanks for being here.
Lori Spagna: Thank you so much for having me, Rod.