1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,340 Lori Spagna: All I know is the next thing I know, I was, 2 00:00:02,370 --> 00:00:05,040 for lack of a better word, like tele-transported on 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,044 ship and I had room to move. 4 00:00:09,044 --> 00:00:10,455 I had space to move. 5 00:00:10,455 --> 00:00:14,085 I was interacting with beings that I recognized 6 00:00:14,085 --> 00:00:16,634 and yet didn't recognize, if that makes sense. 7 00:00:17,144 --> 00:00:22,304 And that is where I think most of my gifts really 8 00:00:22,304 --> 00:00:23,595 started to be brought online 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,140 Rod Bland: I'd like to welcome to the show, Lori Spagna. 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,180 Thanks for being here, Lori. 11 00:00:33,990 --> 00:00:34,890 Lori Spagna: Thanks for having me. 12 00:00:34,950 --> 00:00:36,390 I'm so excited to be here, with you. 13 00:00:36,450 --> 00:00:37,385 Looking forward to our time. 14 00:00:38,215 --> 00:00:38,845 Rod Bland: Yeah, me too. 15 00:00:39,145 --> 00:00:42,415 So you've been a light worker for a very, very long time. 16 00:00:42,505 --> 00:00:44,245 I think it's at least 20 years, right? 17 00:00:44,820 --> 00:00:45,300 Lori Spagna: Mm-Hmm. 18 00:00:45,780 --> 00:00:46,080 Yeah. 19 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,220 It goes back even further 20 00:00:47,220 --> 00:00:48,960 if you count like pre-professional. 21 00:00:49,345 --> 00:00:50,065 Rod Bland: okay, cool. 22 00:00:50,315 --> 00:00:52,025 I wanna talk to you about what you're up to these days. 23 00:00:52,025 --> 00:00:55,295 But first, can you tell us how your journey down 24 00:00:55,295 --> 00:00:56,795 that spiritual path began? 25 00:00:58,135 --> 00:01:01,375 Lori Spagna: Yeah, I would say my big, um, catalyzing, 26 00:01:01,405 --> 00:01:05,275 awakening moment if there was one, was when my brother died 27 00:01:05,305 --> 00:01:09,985 of an unexpected drug overdose and I started getting messages 28 00:01:09,985 --> 00:01:12,355 from him pretty quickly. 29 00:01:12,355 --> 00:01:14,785 I didn't know in a conscious way that I 30 00:01:14,815 --> 00:01:16,015 necessarily could do that. 31 00:01:16,015 --> 00:01:16,075 I. 32 00:01:16,375 --> 00:01:19,015 Or that I had that ability, but it was very clear 33 00:01:19,015 --> 00:01:22,255 and it took me about a year to unpack that. 34 00:01:22,255 --> 00:01:23,935 Like, what the hell's going on here? 35 00:01:23,935 --> 00:01:24,445 Is this real? 36 00:01:24,445 --> 00:01:25,345 Am I making this up? 37 00:01:26,125 --> 00:01:28,555 And after about a year of like testing it and doing 38 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,955 all those things you do, like if this is real, show 39 00:01:30,955 --> 00:01:34,585 me this, and all that kind of stuff, I, I really got it. 40 00:01:34,585 --> 00:01:35,545 It, it was 41 00:01:35,545 --> 00:01:35,995 real. 42 00:01:35,995 --> 00:01:38,005 That was my brother connecting with me. 43 00:01:38,065 --> 00:01:41,305 And it wasn't long after that that I started getting 44 00:01:41,305 --> 00:01:43,855 messages and connections from all kinds of like, 45 00:01:43,855 --> 00:01:45,025 so-called dead people. 46 00:01:45,670 --> 00:01:46,780 That's where it started. 47 00:01:47,260 --> 00:01:48,400 That was just the catalyst. 48 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,260 From there, it was 49 00:01:50,260 --> 00:01:52,810 like I started working with animals and I was getting all 50 00:01:52,810 --> 00:01:55,450 these messages from animals, and they were all saying like, 51 00:01:55,450 --> 00:01:59,080 we're gonna help you learn what we are here to do and how 52 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,030 we are here to help humans. 53 00:02:01,780 --> 00:02:03,550 And it just, it just kept snowballing. 54 00:02:03,555 --> 00:02:05,590 It just got more and more from there. 55 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,930 So I could go on with the whole story, but that 56 00:02:07,935 --> 00:02:10,120 was the catalyzing, that was the beginning of it. 57 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,040 Rod Bland: So tell us a bit more about how, how did 58 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:12,790 the message come to you? 59 00:02:12,790 --> 00:02:13,750 Was it a dream or 60 00:02:13,750 --> 00:02:15,310 were you fully conscious, or how did that work? 61 00:02:15,470 --> 00:02:18,950 Lori Spagna: No, with my brother it was all the time. 62 00:02:18,980 --> 00:02:19,730 Always. 63 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,590 it was like constantly coming in. 64 00:02:21,590 --> 00:02:23,210 Hey Lor, this is how it started. 65 00:02:23,570 --> 00:02:24,530 Uh, my name is Lori. 66 00:02:24,535 --> 00:02:27,890 We're, we were born in New York, so he, my family 67 00:02:27,890 --> 00:02:30,410 lineage, we all have like this heavy New York accent and it 68 00:02:30,410 --> 00:02:33,690 would come in like as if he was talking to me, Hey, Lor, 69 00:02:33,980 --> 00:02:35,299 it's your dead brother, Jeff. 70 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,150 That's how it sounded in a New York accent. 71 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,700 And I'd be like, like what? 72 00:02:40,700 --> 00:02:43,820 And it just kept coming in like that over and over again. 73 00:02:43,820 --> 00:02:46,430 Initially, like I could hear it and then I'd be like, 74 00:02:46,940 --> 00:02:50,930 okay, if I'm really hearing you, Jeff, show me this. 75 00:02:51,140 --> 00:02:52,070 Show me that. 76 00:02:52,610 --> 00:02:55,340 And you know, there were sometimes it was eyes closed, 77 00:02:55,345 --> 00:02:58,130 meditative states of trying to connect with him that way. 78 00:02:58,610 --> 00:03:00,050 All kinds of things would be lighting up. 79 00:03:00,050 --> 00:03:02,450 Sometimes It was wild things that would stick 80 00:03:02,450 --> 00:03:03,710 out from bookshelves and. 81 00:03:05,090 --> 00:03:06,650 Even still, that was just the beginning. 82 00:03:06,650 --> 00:03:11,690 It was like the, the big kicker was I was living in 83 00:03:11,690 --> 00:03:15,710 Los Angeles at the time and he had this dog named Herkimer. 84 00:03:16,250 --> 00:03:20,210 And it was like, I knew that I had never heard of a Herkimer 85 00:03:20,210 --> 00:03:23,890 diner and just one day I was walking down the street, like 86 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,790 looking at the ground, and all of a sudden I heard in his 87 00:03:27,790 --> 00:03:30,820 voice look up and I was like. 88 00:03:31,675 --> 00:03:33,085 What, like look up. 89 00:03:33,085 --> 00:03:36,085 So I stop and I look up and there's this sign, Herkimer 90 00:03:36,085 --> 00:03:39,925 Diner, and I was like, I had just never heard that 91 00:03:39,925 --> 00:03:41,695 word or that name Herkimer. 92 00:03:41,995 --> 00:03:43,405 That was the name of his dog. 93 00:03:44,815 --> 00:03:47,305 That was probably the, the moment I realized like, 94 00:03:47,305 --> 00:03:48,385 I'm not making this up. 95 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:50,545 Like I heard that, you know? 96 00:03:51,085 --> 00:03:53,065 So anyway, from there, I I, what ended 97 00:03:53,065 --> 00:03:54,895 up happening was just to elaborate a little. 98 00:03:54,895 --> 00:03:54,955 I. 99 00:03:55,915 --> 00:03:57,085 I ended up quitting. 100 00:03:57,145 --> 00:04:01,765 I had a six figure job at that time, and I was smoking two 101 00:04:01,765 --> 00:04:02,875 packs of cigarettes a day. 102 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,035 I was like drinking excessively. 103 00:04:05,035 --> 00:04:07,405 I was on tons of pharmaceutical drugs from 104 00:04:07,405 --> 00:04:08,605 well-meaning doctors. 105 00:04:09,115 --> 00:04:10,555 My hair was falling out. 106 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:11,965 I was just, I was a mess. 107 00:04:11,995 --> 00:04:16,075 I was miserable in corporate America, and the big message 108 00:04:16,075 --> 00:04:18,925 from my brother was like, if you don't change your ways, 109 00:04:18,925 --> 00:04:20,035 you're gonna end up like me. 110 00:04:20,305 --> 00:04:21,235 Like you need to quit. 111 00:04:21,235 --> 00:04:22,225 You need to change. 112 00:04:22,930 --> 00:04:26,170 So I quit that job and I became a dog trainer, 113 00:04:27,370 --> 00:04:29,350 and I started getting messages from the dogs. 114 00:04:29,350 --> 00:04:32,530 The message was like, the repeating message was, we are 115 00:04:32,530 --> 00:04:36,820 here to help humans and you need to like tune into what 116 00:04:36,820 --> 00:04:37,780 we are here to teach you. 117 00:04:37,780 --> 00:04:39,190 If you listen, we'll teach you. 118 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,450 So that was like where it started. 119 00:04:43,450 --> 00:04:45,280 Then I ended up moving to Maui. 120 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,590 And I got into all the healing arts. 121 00:04:47,590 --> 00:04:49,150 I got my Reiki master. 122 00:04:49,150 --> 00:04:52,240 I started doing like all these esoteric practices. 123 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,990 I started learning, working with energy, and I was working 124 00:04:55,990 --> 00:05:00,370 with a, um, a man who knew he had been studying in 125 00:05:00,375 --> 00:05:02,740 like the Himalayan Mountains with all these masters. 126 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,470 So he knew how to work with energy like. 127 00:05:05,770 --> 00:05:07,000 Nobody's business. 128 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,810 And what ended up happening was I, I do these energy, 129 00:05:10,870 --> 00:05:13,690 we do these energy works together in group. 130 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,940 What ended up happening was while I lived in 131 00:05:15,940 --> 00:05:21,100 Maui, my dog at that time, her name was Kenya, she 132 00:05:21,105 --> 00:05:22,570 ended up transitioning. 133 00:05:23,755 --> 00:05:26,365 I was like broken, like when she died, I just 134 00:05:26,365 --> 00:05:27,775 wasn't ready to handle that. 135 00:05:27,775 --> 00:05:30,925 And I remember going into the class with him, that 136 00:05:30,925 --> 00:05:33,685 teacher that day, and I was like, please, can you just 137 00:05:34,135 --> 00:05:35,935 help me know where she is? 138 00:05:36,205 --> 00:05:39,115 Like I was in just so much emotional pain at 139 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,525 that moment, at that time. 140 00:05:40,975 --> 00:05:46,885 So he put me in the middle of the room And now what I think 141 00:05:46,885 --> 00:05:50,605 I know that he did was he activated the DMT in my brain. 142 00:05:51,625 --> 00:05:53,095 Then I would never have known that. 143 00:05:53,095 --> 00:05:56,185 All I knew was that I was like dead according 144 00:05:56,185 --> 00:05:57,505 to what I understood. 145 00:05:58,285 --> 00:06:00,655 There was no body, there was no nothing. 146 00:06:00,685 --> 00:06:05,575 There was just, I somehow moved through some kind 147 00:06:05,575 --> 00:06:07,075 of awareness at that time. 148 00:06:07,075 --> 00:06:10,045 This is me sort of telling you what I knew at that time 149 00:06:10,555 --> 00:06:12,445 where I became, in a sense. 150 00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:16,600 Still my individual self, but at one with everything. 151 00:06:16,780 --> 00:06:19,870 Like I heard every thought, every word. 152 00:06:20,470 --> 00:06:21,970 I saw, everything. 153 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,950 Like, I don't know how else to say that. 154 00:06:24,610 --> 00:06:28,150 And then I met with my dog, even though she was not 155 00:06:28,150 --> 00:06:29,290 in a physical body either. 156 00:06:29,295 --> 00:06:32,200 She was just her consciousness and she 157 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,490 was like, I'm okay mommy. 158 00:06:33,910 --> 00:06:34,720 Everything's fine. 159 00:06:35,260 --> 00:06:38,050 Meanwhile, at that same kind of moment, 'cause 160 00:06:38,050 --> 00:06:40,120 it's beyond time, right? 161 00:06:40,750 --> 00:06:46,180 All these beings who I ever knew, not only from this 162 00:06:46,180 --> 00:06:48,220 life, like I knew them all. 163 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:49,840 I saw them all, they were all there, but 164 00:06:49,845 --> 00:06:51,010 just in consciousness. 165 00:06:51,010 --> 00:06:53,170 Not like necessarily like bodies. 166 00:06:53,175 --> 00:06:57,700 Although, yeah, anyway, and it was like, so I was so blissed 167 00:06:57,700 --> 00:07:01,990 out, like beyond bliss, right. 168 00:07:03,235 --> 00:07:05,905 Anyway at some period of time, but it had to have 169 00:07:05,905 --> 00:07:08,395 been two hours later 'cause that's how long the class 170 00:07:08,395 --> 00:07:10,615 was on those, that was a Thursday night class 171 00:07:10,675 --> 00:07:12,595 where my teacher did that. 172 00:07:13,045 --> 00:07:16,315 At some point, I, he snapped his fingers or 173 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,865 I heard him in a way and he was like, that's it. 174 00:07:18,870 --> 00:07:19,555 1, 2, 3. 175 00:07:19,555 --> 00:07:20,395 Snapped his fingers. 176 00:07:20,845 --> 00:07:23,365 And there I was like, in the center of this room. 177 00:07:23,785 --> 00:07:25,555 Now this is what happens with all that energy. 178 00:07:25,555 --> 00:07:28,105 My body's flopping around like a fish, right? 179 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:30,265 Because that kind of energy. 180 00:07:31,060 --> 00:07:33,820 Is more powerful than our bodies can't really handle it. 181 00:07:33,820 --> 00:07:36,640 I call this floppy fish syndrome When light starts 182 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,650 moving through the body, right, your, your body 183 00:07:38,650 --> 00:07:41,590 can't, the physical body can't really handle that 184 00:07:41,590 --> 00:07:42,910 much light initially. 185 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,900 So, but everybody in the room, in the circle starts 186 00:07:46,905 --> 00:07:49,510 taking their two fingers just to put it on me. 187 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:52,425 Now we go for probably was like a half an hour. 188 00:07:52,875 --> 00:07:54,490 We're all in fetal positions. 189 00:07:54,490 --> 00:07:57,880 Hysterical, laughing, like hysterical because that's 190 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,500 what this energy does to you. 191 00:08:00,234 --> 00:08:01,795 From this non-physical place. 192 00:08:01,795 --> 00:08:01,945 Right. 193 00:08:01,945 --> 00:08:04,045 It's just, it's beyond love. 194 00:08:05,484 --> 00:08:07,075 Anyway, I'll add one more piece to this story 195 00:08:07,075 --> 00:08:08,635 since you're listening so well, right. 196 00:08:09,385 --> 00:08:12,595 With that, what I, I think what happens to us when 197 00:08:12,595 --> 00:08:15,085 we go through some kind of like near-death, this 198 00:08:15,090 --> 00:08:16,015 is like a near-death, 199 00:08:16,015 --> 00:08:18,565 but not in a traditional sense of a, not in 200 00:08:18,595 --> 00:08:19,525 the hospital, right. 201 00:08:20,035 --> 00:08:23,215 But the light that we are and the consciousness that we are. 202 00:08:24,235 --> 00:08:28,615 Lights up in reality, like somehow there are so many more 203 00:08:28,945 --> 00:08:33,085 beings in the non-physical and beyond this physical reality 204 00:08:34,705 --> 00:08:37,015 who become aware of us. 205 00:08:37,765 --> 00:08:41,725 So, or maybe somehow that we kind of become, they become 206 00:08:41,875 --> 00:08:44,365 more conscious like, ah, this person or this being 207 00:08:44,365 --> 00:08:45,505 is becoming more conscious. 208 00:08:45,505 --> 00:08:46,165 They're not just like a. 209 00:08:47,675 --> 00:08:51,400 Like a sandbag, like a, you know, a human walking kind of, 210 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,350 so-called unconscious person. 211 00:08:54,130 --> 00:08:57,280 Sometimes they refer to us in ways that seem kind of 212 00:08:57,285 --> 00:09:01,150 derogatory, like, you know, sandbag or zombie or whatever. 213 00:09:01,155 --> 00:09:03,900 But in any case, after that I had a first 214 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:05,070 contact experience. 215 00:09:05,070 --> 00:09:07,410 That's where I'm going with this, because I think there 216 00:09:07,410 --> 00:09:11,540 were beings who became more a aware of me, and 217 00:09:11,540 --> 00:09:13,280 that first contact was. 218 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,610 That was a very real lucid experience. 219 00:09:16,610 --> 00:09:20,690 So what I'll say is that same teacher I was working 220 00:09:20,690 --> 00:09:24,140 with, he would instruct us to meditate through the night. 221 00:09:24,170 --> 00:09:25,970 He would tell us, don't go to sleep. 222 00:09:26,660 --> 00:09:28,760 And he would say things like, you know, get your body to 223 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,850 believe it's sleeping, but keep your consciousness 224 00:09:31,855 --> 00:09:35,300 aware and stay lucid. 225 00:09:35,870 --> 00:09:38,150 So I would practice this every night, and I lived 226 00:09:38,150 --> 00:09:42,835 in Maui, so I would do this on the deck of my house, 227 00:09:42,865 --> 00:09:46,465 which was on a golf course in one particular night. 228 00:09:46,465 --> 00:09:50,185 I was doing it at some point, which I remember in 229 00:09:50,185 --> 00:09:52,285 my memory to be about two o'clock in the morning. 230 00:09:52,795 --> 00:09:55,945 I remember like opening my eyes and I saw a ship. 231 00:09:56,845 --> 00:09:59,965 Now this ship was too low to the ground and doing circles, 232 00:09:59,965 --> 00:10:03,685 like, it wasn't like a, um, you know, a satellite. 233 00:10:03,685 --> 00:10:07,630 It was circles and it was not like a so high in the 234 00:10:07,630 --> 00:10:10,630 ground, in the sky that it was a star, like it was a ship. 235 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:17,410 And at that time I was already so telepathic, but at 236 00:10:17,410 --> 00:10:20,710 the same time not conscious enough of how telepathic. 237 00:10:21,940 --> 00:10:25,810 So I just remember thinking back then, Oh, you, you 238 00:10:25,810 --> 00:10:26,860 must be here to help. 239 00:10:26,860 --> 00:10:28,570 I really didn't get it Rod. 240 00:10:28,575 --> 00:10:29,470 I didn't get it. 241 00:10:30,010 --> 00:10:32,080 I didn't know that there's like, so-called like 242 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,410 benevolent ones and then not such benevolent ones. 243 00:10:35,770 --> 00:10:37,840 So I just thought like, oh, you're here to help us. 244 00:10:38,020 --> 00:10:39,590 Like this is all pre-2012. 245 00:10:39,610 --> 00:10:41,860 I thought they were here to help us, so I was like, oh, 246 00:10:41,860 --> 00:10:45,070 if there's anything I could do to help, all I know is 247 00:10:45,070 --> 00:10:48,040 the next thing I know, I was, for lack of a better word, 248 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:53,605 like tele-transported on ship and I had room to move. 249 00:10:53,605 --> 00:10:55,015 I had space to move. 250 00:10:55,015 --> 00:10:58,645 I was interacting with beings that I recognized 251 00:10:58,645 --> 00:11:01,195 and yet didn't recognize, if that makes sense. 252 00:11:01,705 --> 00:11:06,865 And that is where I think most of my gifts really 253 00:11:06,865 --> 00:11:08,155 started to be brought online. 254 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,665 Because I remember like at one point, one of the beings 255 00:11:11,995 --> 00:11:15,745 did implant me, and I remember at one point they were like 256 00:11:15,745 --> 00:11:20,805 doing what I would call these like downloads, which now I 257 00:11:20,805 --> 00:11:24,225 know were activating dormant parts of my consciousness. 258 00:11:24,915 --> 00:11:26,805 Then I wouldn't have known that like the next 259 00:11:26,805 --> 00:11:29,415 day after that happened, I was so freaked out. 260 00:11:29,420 --> 00:11:31,365 I was like screaming. 261 00:11:31,365 --> 00:11:35,925 I was so angry, like what the F happened and what, 262 00:11:35,925 --> 00:11:36,915 what is all this stuff? 263 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,865 And I was getting all these downloads like 264 00:11:38,895 --> 00:11:39,975 in my consciousness. 265 00:11:39,975 --> 00:11:41,235 I couldn't make sense of them. 266 00:11:41,625 --> 00:11:43,215 And all I kept hearing was, you'll know 267 00:11:43,215 --> 00:11:44,265 when the time comes. 268 00:11:44,295 --> 00:11:45,735 You'll know when the time comes. 269 00:11:46,605 --> 00:11:50,145 So this is what I, anyway, that is where it all started. 270 00:11:50,145 --> 00:11:51,045 That's a long story. 271 00:11:51,620 --> 00:11:53,210 Rod Bland: It was on my list was because you 272 00:11:53,270 --> 00:11:55,550 mentioned in your notes that you're a contactee, 273 00:11:55,550 --> 00:11:57,470 and so that was one of the stories I wanted to hear, so 274 00:11:57,475 --> 00:11:58,880 that's, that's fascinating. 275 00:11:59,180 --> 00:12:01,430 I've been reading the, uh, well, I've finished 276 00:12:01,430 --> 00:12:03,800 reading the book of Ra, so I've read all four 277 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,570 books and now I'm starting to read the instruction. 278 00:12:05,575 --> 00:12:07,040 I dunno if you're familiar with that work, 279 00:12:07,490 --> 00:12:10,790 and they talk about how you've got some of the. 280 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,210 Uh, contactees are, uh, they're, they're from 281 00:12:14,210 --> 00:12:15,650 the Orion constellation. 282 00:12:15,650 --> 00:12:18,470 There's some who are a bit more service to self-oriented, 283 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:20,090 and then there's some from other places. 284 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:23,300 So it sounds like you had contact with some of the 285 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:25,640 good guys that are more sort of interested in service to 286 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,290 others in developing that. 287 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:28,040 Is that right? 288 00:12:28,740 --> 00:12:31,080 Lori Spagna: Well, here's how I identify with it and, and 289 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,720 the sense that I've made of it through like regressions 290 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,900 and just years of unpacking this and working with my 291 00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:41,370 own consciousness on it, is that, that that group 292 00:12:41,370 --> 00:12:47,490 that contacted to me was many, um, different groups. 293 00:12:48,055 --> 00:12:51,145 Unified, you know, in terms of working for the light 294 00:12:51,835 --> 00:12:55,525 and that, that is my, what I would identify as my star 295 00:12:55,525 --> 00:12:57,415 family through my lineage. 296 00:12:57,805 --> 00:13:02,095 And the way I identify it now is that I, uh, I, I 297 00:13:02,095 --> 00:13:05,695 connected with a, a so-called future version of myself 298 00:13:06,655 --> 00:13:10,795 and braided that, I didn't, my personality self didn't 299 00:13:10,795 --> 00:13:14,905 do it, but my consciousness braided that future version 300 00:13:14,910 --> 00:13:20,650 of myself in with my present version at that time and over 301 00:13:20,650 --> 00:13:25,690 time, or the experience of integration unified in a sense 302 00:13:26,470 --> 00:13:27,970 with other aspects of me. 303 00:13:28,330 --> 00:13:32,380 So I see myself as what I call a braided star seed. 304 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,060 That the star family lineage that I'm connected with, 305 00:13:37,060 --> 00:13:43,030 which is multiple, multiple races integrated and sort of 306 00:13:43,030 --> 00:13:44,800 awakened what was within me. 307 00:13:45,460 --> 00:13:49,780 Which is just really, to me, we all have all of this. 308 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,510 There's not anything we don't have. 309 00:13:52,930 --> 00:13:56,140 It's just that's how my unique journey went. 310 00:13:56,170 --> 00:13:57,100 Does that make sense? 311 00:13:57,530 --> 00:13:57,900 Rod Bland: Yeah. 312 00:13:58,230 --> 00:13:58,590 Yeah. 313 00:13:59,340 --> 00:14:01,500 So when you are walking, working in corporate 314 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:02,040 America, that's a. 315 00:14:03,035 --> 00:14:04,625 I, I mean, we'll talk in general terms. 316 00:14:05,015 --> 00:14:08,465 People are quite, uh, re realists, you know, 317 00:14:08,585 --> 00:14:10,595 based in physical reality. 318 00:14:11,105 --> 00:14:14,285 So what was it like making that sort of transition 319 00:14:14,285 --> 00:14:16,745 from there to then working with dogs and then all these 320 00:14:16,750 --> 00:14:17,435 other things happening? 321 00:14:17,435 --> 00:14:18,635 How did you cope with that, and how did your 322 00:14:18,635 --> 00:14:19,805 family and friends cope 323 00:14:19,805 --> 00:14:20,315 with that too? 324 00:14:21,535 --> 00:14:22,495 Lori Spagna: That is crazy. 325 00:14:22,945 --> 00:14:25,585 First of all, when that happened, I, what I didn't 326 00:14:25,585 --> 00:14:28,825 say was within two years of leaving corporate. 327 00:14:28,975 --> 00:14:29,425 America. 328 00:14:29,485 --> 00:14:29,935 Think this. 329 00:14:30,295 --> 00:14:32,845 After college, I spent 20 years in corporate 330 00:14:32,845 --> 00:14:35,455 America, and in those 20 years, that's when like 331 00:14:35,485 --> 00:14:36,295 everything went wrong. 332 00:14:36,295 --> 00:14:38,905 I started smoking two packs a day of cigarettes. 333 00:14:39,235 --> 00:14:41,275 I was drinking like six beers a day. 334 00:14:41,275 --> 00:14:43,375 I was, I told you I was on those pharmaceutical drugs. 335 00:14:43,375 --> 00:14:46,195 My hair was falling out, my thyroid was off. 336 00:14:46,195 --> 00:14:48,835 I was really excessively overweight. 337 00:14:49,195 --> 00:14:51,985 I would drink coffee all day, alcohol all night. 338 00:14:52,045 --> 00:14:53,575 Couldn't sleep, couldn't wake up. 339 00:14:54,145 --> 00:14:57,475 Really unhealthy behaviors, like things that I, if I 340 00:14:57,505 --> 00:15:01,165 had shame left in my body, I would feel shame about, 341 00:15:01,165 --> 00:15:02,365 but I have healed that. 342 00:15:02,875 --> 00:15:05,605 And then, yeah, spending crazy. 343 00:15:05,605 --> 00:15:07,615 I had like six figures in credit card debt. 344 00:15:08,170 --> 00:15:11,620 I was living that way for 20 years because 345 00:15:11,620 --> 00:15:13,150 I was so miserable. 346 00:15:13,510 --> 00:15:17,230 I would go home every night after work and I would cry 347 00:15:17,290 --> 00:15:20,410 like to my father 'cause he was my false authority 348 00:15:20,410 --> 00:15:23,410 at that time, where I gave my power to my dad, right? 349 00:15:24,250 --> 00:15:25,930 'cause I, that's the way we're raised. 350 00:15:26,140 --> 00:15:27,790 And I'd be like, I'm so unhappy. 351 00:15:27,790 --> 00:15:28,510 I'm so miserable. 352 00:15:28,510 --> 00:15:28,965 What do I do? 353 00:15:28,965 --> 00:15:31,210 I'd cry every night and he'd be like, you stick it out. 354 00:15:31,330 --> 00:15:32,170 Stick it out. 355 00:15:32,980 --> 00:15:34,510 But that was his upbringing. 356 00:15:34,510 --> 00:15:36,400 He wasn't being a bad guy. 357 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,725 That was just what that's how he was raised. 358 00:15:39,415 --> 00:15:43,255 So when I left corporate America, what was really 359 00:15:43,255 --> 00:15:46,585 interesting, what happened was I had this very brief 360 00:15:46,585 --> 00:15:51,715 marriage, like it lasted like a minute, but that was somehow 361 00:15:51,715 --> 00:15:57,745 what my unique soul needed was a false male authority to 362 00:15:57,745 --> 00:16:00,115 give me permission to quit. 363 00:16:00,790 --> 00:16:04,120 Corporate America thinking that I would have this 364 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,680 false mail authority A.K.A. 365 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,890 my husband at that time, who would stand by my 366 00:16:08,890 --> 00:16:11,350 side and take care of me if it didn't work out. 367 00:16:12,070 --> 00:16:15,880 But the moment I quit that six-figure job with the 368 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,440 six-figure credit card debt. 369 00:16:17,935 --> 00:16:21,535 He was out of there because he was like, dead people, no, 370 00:16:21,715 --> 00:16:22,855 I didn't sign up for that. 371 00:16:23,125 --> 00:16:24,535 You going off your meds? 372 00:16:24,535 --> 00:16:26,125 No, I didn't sign off for that. 373 00:16:26,125 --> 00:16:28,405 Like he just wasn't on board with any of it. 374 00:16:29,035 --> 00:16:30,865 But the, so he divorced me. 375 00:16:31,315 --> 00:16:33,865 That's when I moved to Maui after like a year of 376 00:16:33,865 --> 00:16:36,415 dog training and realizing like, I can do this on my 377 00:16:36,415 --> 00:16:37,825 own, like I can do this. 378 00:16:38,575 --> 00:16:43,075 And as soon as I moved to Maui, all that 379 00:16:43,075 --> 00:16:43,915 stuff disappeared. 380 00:16:43,915 --> 00:16:46,585 In other words, I went off pharmaceutical drugs forever 381 00:16:46,615 --> 00:16:49,855 and I mean, I was on massive doses of pharmaceutical 382 00:16:49,860 --> 00:16:53,215 drugs, like ridiculous amounts from, well-meaning 383 00:16:53,215 --> 00:16:56,455 doctors, the six-figure credit card debt was gone. 384 00:16:56,455 --> 00:16:59,905 Like I was told in guidance, start forgiving 385 00:16:59,910 --> 00:17:01,285 the banks, forgive them. 386 00:17:01,555 --> 00:17:03,775 'cause I was waking up to all the conspiracy. 387 00:17:03,775 --> 00:17:05,515 I was starting to realize that slowly. 388 00:17:06,205 --> 00:17:08,305 So I was practicing forgiveness 'cause I was 389 00:17:08,305 --> 00:17:11,650 being told, like, forgive the banks, forgive yourself. 390 00:17:11,650 --> 00:17:12,970 Forgive the credit card debt. 391 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,740 Forgive the credit card companies. 392 00:17:14,950 --> 00:17:18,970 So I started getting letters from the banks, your credit 393 00:17:18,975 --> 00:17:20,440 card, this debt is forgiven. 394 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,940 Like, that's insane, right? 395 00:17:21,940 --> 00:17:22,660 Has that happened? 396 00:17:23,620 --> 00:17:25,210 This is like how it was reflecting. 397 00:17:25,660 --> 00:17:29,680 The smoking went away, like I didn't even want it anymore. 398 00:17:30,370 --> 00:17:32,710 The alcohol completely went away. 399 00:17:32,770 --> 00:17:36,130 My, I healed my thyroid myself because I was 400 00:17:36,130 --> 00:17:37,630 learning healing modalities. 401 00:17:38,110 --> 00:17:39,850 My hair started growing back again. 402 00:17:39,850 --> 00:17:42,910 I mean, it was just, everything changed 403 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,440 so much faster. 404 00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:48,760 So 20 years of living in misery and then two years of 405 00:17:48,765 --> 00:17:52,930 getting rightly aligned with my, what I call my true path. 406 00:17:53,860 --> 00:17:58,090 My path of, you know, right alignment with my soul's true 407 00:17:58,090 --> 00:18:01,870 agenda and all those things were gone within two years. 408 00:18:02,050 --> 00:18:04,060 No, no struggle to get rid of the smoking. 409 00:18:04,060 --> 00:18:05,740 No struggle to let go of alcohol. 410 00:18:06,010 --> 00:18:07,600 No struggle to pay off the debt. 411 00:18:08,140 --> 00:18:11,590 Those were like miraculous things for me, so 412 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,390 that's pretty amazing. 413 00:18:14,335 --> 00:18:15,505 Rod Bland: Yeah, it is. 414 00:18:16,075 --> 00:18:20,245 So I, I also read you've had an NDE, it's a near-death 415 00:18:20,245 --> 00:18:21,415 experience at some point. 416 00:18:21,745 --> 00:18:22,495 Can you tell us about that? 417 00:18:22,510 --> 00:18:22,780 Lori Spagna: Yeah. 418 00:18:22,990 --> 00:18:24,970 Well That was the experience I was telling you about with 419 00:18:24,975 --> 00:18:29,380 the um, the teacher that I was working with in Maui. 420 00:18:30,190 --> 00:18:33,850 He was teaching us how to use energy and how to work 421 00:18:33,850 --> 00:18:36,475 with energy, and he's the one who that night that 422 00:18:36,475 --> 00:18:39,595 my dog died and I went to class that night and I was 423 00:18:39,595 --> 00:18:41,185 like bawling my brains out. 424 00:18:41,185 --> 00:18:42,355 I was really crying. 425 00:18:42,355 --> 00:18:43,645 I was like, my dog died. 426 00:18:44,035 --> 00:18:47,275 He's the one who was teaching us how to still our 427 00:18:47,275 --> 00:18:50,455 bodies through the night, through meditation, through 428 00:18:50,485 --> 00:18:54,535 like letting our bodies get to that space of just 429 00:18:54,715 --> 00:18:58,435 non like awake and alert without falling asleep. 430 00:18:58,435 --> 00:18:58,765 Right. 431 00:18:59,425 --> 00:19:01,795 And he's the one who I think, the way I 432 00:19:01,795 --> 00:19:02,425 explain it. 433 00:19:02,425 --> 00:19:05,245 I think what he did was he activated the DMT in my brain 434 00:19:05,245 --> 00:19:06,595 so that I had that near death. 435 00:19:06,895 --> 00:19:07,675 Does that make sense? 436 00:19:08,185 --> 00:19:08,245 Yeah. 437 00:19:08,420 --> 00:19:10,460 Rod Bland: I, yeah, I, I, I missed that part. 438 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,600 So it's a bit like, uh, in, uh, Robert Monroe's books, I'm 439 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:15,590 not sure you've read those. 440 00:19:15,595 --> 00:19:18,020 His in Journeys Outta The Body, the first book he wrote, 441 00:19:18,025 --> 00:19:22,310 it was talking about mind, mind, awake, body of sleep. 442 00:19:22,910 --> 00:19:24,650 So that's what, what you're achieving. 443 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,505 I find that interesting because I tend to, I, 444 00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:28,490 I tend to fall asleep. 445 00:19:28,850 --> 00:19:30,290 When, when I try to do that. 446 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:33,590 So how, was that just through practice and training that 447 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:34,910 you were able to achieve that? 448 00:19:34,910 --> 00:19:35,840 Or was there anything special 449 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:36,590 about what you were doing? 450 00:19:37,515 --> 00:19:39,045 Lori Spagna: Well, let me say first, I never 451 00:19:39,045 --> 00:19:40,485 read any of the Ra books, 452 00:19:40,490 --> 00:19:43,845 but I'm really familiar from hearing about them and I never 453 00:19:44,055 --> 00:19:47,805 read any of the Monroe books, but I'm familiar with them 454 00:19:48,165 --> 00:19:50,295 from hearing people about people reading them. 455 00:19:50,985 --> 00:19:54,465 Um, but the way, what I was doing was my teacher, 456 00:19:54,585 --> 00:19:55,290 whose name was Max. 457 00:19:55,930 --> 00:20:00,520 He would just say to us, do not let yourself go to sleep. 458 00:20:01,780 --> 00:20:04,540 You know, he would tell us to, to work on being 459 00:20:04,540 --> 00:20:08,050 fully present and conscious without thinking, without 460 00:20:08,050 --> 00:20:10,060 emoting, without moving. 461 00:20:10,900 --> 00:20:15,550 We were working on complete stillness and through that 462 00:20:15,550 --> 00:20:19,690 state, if you can maintain that, the body goes into sleep 463 00:20:19,690 --> 00:20:24,130 paralysis, you basically, your body thinks you're asleep. 464 00:20:24,550 --> 00:20:27,310 The first few times it happened to me, it was, it's 465 00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:31,750 terrifying in a way because you think you're dying and 466 00:20:31,755 --> 00:20:35,560 here's the, which in a way you are, but you're not dying. 467 00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:36,760 You're just leaving the body. 468 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:39,280 But the thing is, is like the moment you have the 469 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,590 thought of a fear, it stops. 470 00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:43,570 It's so annoying, right? 471 00:20:43,930 --> 00:20:46,930 Because you almost have to go through a few times 472 00:20:46,930 --> 00:20:49,780 where you're like, oh, I just had the thought, damn. 473 00:20:50,365 --> 00:20:53,965 The moment you have the realization 'cause you, not 474 00:20:53,965 --> 00:20:57,145 only do you think you're dying and you have the thought 475 00:20:57,145 --> 00:21:00,175 which interrupts because the, the electromagnetic 476 00:21:00,180 --> 00:21:04,105 of the thought, Interrupts the leaving of the body. 477 00:21:04,225 --> 00:21:06,205 You can't leave the body if you're having a thought. 478 00:21:07,165 --> 00:21:09,115 At the same time, the energy that it 479 00:21:09,115 --> 00:21:11,605 triggers 'cause the thought triggers an emotion, 480 00:21:11,605 --> 00:21:14,065 triggers an energetic, like the energetic is 481 00:21:14,065 --> 00:21:16,165 all Rippling through the field. 482 00:21:16,735 --> 00:21:18,055 The energetic is fear. 483 00:21:18,385 --> 00:21:18,985 I'm dying. 484 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:22,390 So it stops the experience. 485 00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:22,960 Does this make sense? 486 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,020 You have to manage to get through that experience 487 00:21:27,070 --> 00:21:31,180 without having the thought or the electromagnetic 488 00:21:31,330 --> 00:21:33,910 experience or the fear, right? 489 00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:37,090 If you can do that and stay still, then you're 490 00:21:37,090 --> 00:21:40,420 basically moving into another state and what, at 491 00:21:40,420 --> 00:21:43,660 least in my experience, what happened was there was this. 492 00:21:45,685 --> 00:21:47,995 The best way to describe it is a moment where I 493 00:21:47,995 --> 00:21:49,495 could hear everything. 494 00:21:50,245 --> 00:21:51,625 I could hear everything. 495 00:21:52,015 --> 00:21:54,505 A moment where I could see everything. 496 00:21:54,505 --> 00:21:58,225 It was like I heard everyone's thoughts from everywhere. 497 00:21:58,225 --> 00:22:01,615 I could see everything everywhere. 498 00:22:02,845 --> 00:22:05,035 And then there was like experience of 499 00:22:05,035 --> 00:22:09,295 nothingness and from there everything is there again. 500 00:22:09,355 --> 00:22:12,295 It's, that's the way I best can des can best describe it. 501 00:22:12,345 --> 00:22:15,015 There was one time, 'cause like I said, this was 502 00:22:15,015 --> 00:22:18,885 after the divorce with my husband, then husband. 503 00:22:18,885 --> 00:22:23,685 He was not interested in any of this and at one 504 00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:30,225 point I decided through like astral travel to go visit 505 00:22:31,005 --> 00:22:35,145 the house where we lived in and sort of spy on him. 506 00:22:35,235 --> 00:22:38,055 I wasn't trying to be out of integrity. 507 00:22:38,115 --> 00:22:41,565 I was too immature at that time to understand that 508 00:22:41,565 --> 00:22:43,905 that's, that's not Ethical. 509 00:22:43,905 --> 00:22:46,125 Like, that's not something I would ever do now, nor would 510 00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:49,665 I teach anyone to do that, but at that time, I just 511 00:22:49,670 --> 00:22:50,805 loved him and missed him. 512 00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:53,625 So I went to go like astral 513 00:22:53,625 --> 00:22:56,685 travel to see like, what's he up to? 514 00:22:56,685 --> 00:22:57,705 What's going on? 515 00:22:57,735 --> 00:22:58,695 Is he, you know. 516 00:22:59,295 --> 00:23:02,115 Yeah, it's like another form of psychic spying, I guess. 517 00:23:02,775 --> 00:23:05,055 And um, you know, what do they call that when 518 00:23:05,055 --> 00:23:06,105 you're haunting someone? 519 00:23:06,105 --> 00:23:06,495 I don't know. 520 00:23:06,495 --> 00:23:10,335 Anyway, so, but what happened was I get to the house 521 00:23:10,335 --> 00:23:13,245 where we once were, and there's a picture of a woman 522 00:23:13,245 --> 00:23:17,415 on the desk, and in that space, it, it wasn't me. 523 00:23:18,045 --> 00:23:21,345 And out from the picture in a sense, this woman 524 00:23:21,345 --> 00:23:23,745 comes out, but she looks like me, but she's not me. 525 00:23:24,645 --> 00:23:27,105 And she punched me in the third eye. 526 00:23:28,110 --> 00:23:29,490 And said, get outta here. 527 00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:33,780 So after that, I had this horrible vertigo, like 528 00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:36,990 the worst vertigo ever. 529 00:23:36,995 --> 00:23:42,570 Like I was so like Vertigoed out for like two days. 530 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,610 So I never, I learned my lesson. 531 00:23:44,670 --> 00:23:45,750 I never did that again. 532 00:23:46,020 --> 00:23:48,420 But you do all kinds of things when you're in the early 533 00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:49,950 stages, you don't know, right? 534 00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:51,330 You don't, I didn't know what I was doing. 535 00:23:51,450 --> 00:23:54,390 I didn't have anyone training me, you know? 536 00:23:55,315 --> 00:23:55,605 Rod Bland: yeah. 537 00:23:55,890 --> 00:23:56,940 Lori Spagna: that's kind of how you learn. 538 00:23:56,940 --> 00:24:00,240 Now, I would never do anything like that because over the 539 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,130 years I have learned that I really am only interested 540 00:24:05,135 --> 00:24:06,060 in serving the light. 541 00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:08,160 I really, that is my desire. 542 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,520 To me, the light is the expansion of consciousness. 543 00:24:12,150 --> 00:24:15,210 The light is the elevation of humanity, the upliftment 544 00:24:15,215 --> 00:24:20,820 of humanity, the, um, return, the restoration of, of power 545 00:24:21,330 --> 00:24:23,460 to the person, to the human. 546 00:24:24,090 --> 00:24:27,300 So I just from that perspective, I, I could 547 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:29,190 care less about any of that other stuff. 548 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:31,500 I'm not interested in it, you know? 549 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:32,550 Does that make sense? 550 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:33,310 Rod Bland: Yeah. 551 00:24:33,850 --> 00:24:34,000 Yeah. 552 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:34,570 It's interesting. 553 00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:37,090 There's another, uh, guest of mine, Darius J. 554 00:24:37,090 --> 00:24:39,760 Wright, who you probably don't know, but it's fascinating 555 00:24:39,765 --> 00:24:43,900 to me that the way that you describe, uh, getting 556 00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:46,360 to the out-of-body state and putting your body to 557 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,550 sleep, and then the fear that goes with the sleep 558 00:24:48,550 --> 00:24:51,515 paralysis is exactly the same. 559 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,480 exactly the same. 560 00:24:52,660 --> 00:24:53,110 yeah. 561 00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:54,240 Lori Spagna: I have heard of him. 562 00:24:54,445 --> 00:24:57,090 I, I don't, I've never studied with him or taken any 563 00:24:57,090 --> 00:24:58,920 of his classes or anything, but I've heard of him, so 564 00:24:59,470 --> 00:24:59,890 Rod Bland: Yeah. 565 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:00,670 Yeah. 566 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,990 So I've got a few more questions just in relation 567 00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:06,990 to, I know you work with two-legged and four-legged. 568 00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:08,250 Um. 569 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:08,980 Hm. 570 00:25:09,825 --> 00:25:10,425 Beings. 571 00:25:10,485 --> 00:25:12,015 Is that, that's what I was looking for. 572 00:25:12,495 --> 00:25:15,825 Um, so in, in your, uh, writings about animal 573 00:25:15,825 --> 00:25:18,275 communication, you talk about how there's this 574 00:25:18,275 --> 00:25:20,945 intuitive bond between humans and their pets. 575 00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:24,725 So can you, uh, share an example that stands out 576 00:25:24,725 --> 00:25:27,215 to you where that bond was really pivotal in, in 577 00:25:27,215 --> 00:25:29,045 transforming a, a challenging, 578 00:25:29,225 --> 00:25:30,345 you know, behavior in an animal. 579 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,940 Lori Spagna: Yeah, well. 580 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:35,330 they're like limitless, right? 581 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,050 Let me say this. 582 00:25:36,050 --> 00:25:39,530 The animals as a collective, right? 583 00:25:39,530 --> 00:25:45,470 Animals as a collective, are here to anchor in the 584 00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:50,420 consciousness of, and the energy of all the virtues. 585 00:25:51,955 --> 00:25:54,505 Which are like the highest qualities that the human 586 00:25:54,505 --> 00:25:55,705 species is learning. 587 00:25:56,605 --> 00:26:01,345 So the virtues of magnanimity, like you can put a dog into a 588 00:26:01,345 --> 00:26:05,155 jail and he will love or you know, you can put an animal 589 00:26:05,155 --> 00:26:09,245 into any horrible place and he still is magnanimous. 590 00:26:09,245 --> 00:26:10,355 He still loves them all. 591 00:26:10,715 --> 00:26:11,705 No judgment, right? 592 00:26:12,335 --> 00:26:13,325 Or forgiveness. 593 00:26:13,325 --> 00:26:15,785 You don't, they don't have to learn forgiveness, right? 594 00:26:15,995 --> 00:26:17,255 Or equanimity. 595 00:26:17,285 --> 00:26:20,135 They don't necessarily need to learn that, right? 596 00:26:20,135 --> 00:26:22,235 They're bringing these virtues in. 597 00:26:22,865 --> 00:26:24,845 The other thing is that animals speak a 598 00:26:24,845 --> 00:26:26,195 universal language. 599 00:26:26,225 --> 00:26:29,495 So the language is the language of energy. 600 00:26:30,095 --> 00:26:33,555 So if humans could learn this, this language of 601 00:26:33,555 --> 00:26:35,895 energy, we would all be a lot better off, right? 602 00:26:35,895 --> 00:26:40,245 Because energy is like, if you think about everything 603 00:26:40,245 --> 00:26:43,455 we're doing, everything we are, it's all energetic. 604 00:26:44,265 --> 00:26:48,585 If we feel in a contracted state, a contracted 605 00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:52,845 state is like those, those energies that that 606 00:26:52,845 --> 00:26:54,225 really weigh us down. 607 00:26:54,285 --> 00:26:57,135 Worry, doubt, frustration, anger, resentment, 608 00:26:57,525 --> 00:27:00,885 judgment, blame, shame, grief, regret, remorse. 609 00:27:00,885 --> 00:27:00,915 I. 610 00:27:02,015 --> 00:27:04,355 Those energies are contracted, right? 611 00:27:04,685 --> 00:27:08,795 And those contracted energies will contribute to our misery, 612 00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:12,905 our upset, our suffering, our unhappiness, our density, 613 00:27:12,935 --> 00:27:16,145 and ultimately dis-ease, lack, limitation, right? 614 00:27:17,405 --> 00:27:19,925 The animals are overall holding a frequency of 615 00:27:19,925 --> 00:27:24,335 light that is expansive, elevating joy, love, 616 00:27:24,485 --> 00:27:26,945 like birds are singing, they're etheric, right? 617 00:27:27,305 --> 00:27:30,305 So overall, they're bringing that light energy. 618 00:27:31,025 --> 00:27:35,285 Into physicality and helping us to recognize that. 619 00:27:35,615 --> 00:27:37,805 But they at the same time recognize like if 620 00:27:37,805 --> 00:27:42,185 their human has some form of density, the animals 621 00:27:42,190 --> 00:27:43,505 are like sponges, right? 622 00:27:43,505 --> 00:27:47,855 They'll absorb it as a way to help resolve it in the 623 00:27:47,885 --> 00:27:48,935 dynamic where they are. 624 00:27:49,245 --> 00:27:53,445 So, 'cause the thing is, is like if an animal is in a home 625 00:27:53,445 --> 00:27:57,675 with a human, they will absorb the energy to mirror it back 626 00:27:57,675 --> 00:28:01,155 to their human and reflect it, Hey, this is what's going on. 627 00:28:01,755 --> 00:28:04,155 So going back to your original question, which I 628 00:28:04,155 --> 00:28:09,045 was more elaborate, let's say there's a human is having, 629 00:28:09,075 --> 00:28:11,235 um, some form of dis-ease. 630 00:28:11,235 --> 00:28:14,685 Like just today I worked with a, a client student 631 00:28:15,195 --> 00:28:17,205 and her beloved bird. 632 00:28:18,015 --> 00:28:20,385 This never happened before in her household. 633 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,015 All of a sudden, in the middle of the night, woke up like 634 00:28:24,345 --> 00:28:29,895 screaming, dropped off his perch and was in the cage. 635 00:28:30,555 --> 00:28:34,635 Like screaming, like through his, his beaks, right? 636 00:28:35,025 --> 00:28:37,275 And she called me like, what's going on? 637 00:28:37,275 --> 00:28:38,865 This has never happened before. 638 00:28:38,865 --> 00:28:41,025 Like we were so worried for this bird and they 639 00:28:41,025 --> 00:28:42,075 love this bird so much. 640 00:28:42,645 --> 00:28:45,405 And so anyway, tuned in and I'm like, well, 641 00:28:45,465 --> 00:28:50,060 something has thrown this bird off off his perch. 642 00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:53,900 That's d de-balancing and it's connected to your husband. 643 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:57,590 What has gone on with your husband That is so like 644 00:28:57,590 --> 00:29:00,680 throwing him off balance that has him so hyper stressed 645 00:29:00,980 --> 00:29:03,950 because that's what this bird is sharing with me like, 646 00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:05,270 and I'm cutting through it. 647 00:29:05,270 --> 00:29:05,540 Right. 648 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,110 The story of it, but she's like, that's true. 649 00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:11,720 Actually my husband just had to take a job that 650 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,880 is, he's never had a job. 651 00:29:13,910 --> 00:29:15,200 He's always been his own boss. 652 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,880 He's so stressed out, he's so upset. 653 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,820 So the bird takes this energy on to say to the humans, this 654 00:29:22,825 --> 00:29:24,140 is what's going on with you. 655 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,240 This energy isn't working for you. 656 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,630 You need to change the energy or choose something different. 657 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,160 So once we communicate that, I communicate that, 658 00:29:34,910 --> 00:29:36,950 you know, translating for the bird in a sense. 659 00:29:37,790 --> 00:29:38,720 The woman gets it. 660 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,940 She's like, oh my God, I have to tell my husband he's 661 00:29:40,940 --> 00:29:42,200 totally going to get this. 662 00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:47,180 And they're like, okay, we can work with that. 663 00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:47,390 Right? 664 00:29:47,390 --> 00:29:48,710 So it's guidance for them. 665 00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:51,410 The animal knows the secrets in a sense. 666 00:29:51,740 --> 00:29:53,965 The animal knows what's going on with their human. 667 00:29:54,555 --> 00:29:55,205 Does that make sense? 668 00:29:56,025 --> 00:29:56,415 Rod Bland: Wow. 669 00:29:57,045 --> 00:29:58,755 So animals are like. 670 00:29:59,535 --> 00:30:01,875 They're like healing facilitators in a way. 671 00:30:03,305 --> 00:30:03,725 Lori Spagna: Yeah. 672 00:30:03,725 --> 00:30:04,685 They, they're healing. 673 00:30:04,805 --> 00:30:05,855 They know our secrets. 674 00:30:05,855 --> 00:30:08,105 They're healing, they're energy. 675 00:30:08,105 --> 00:30:09,605 I call them energy sponges. 676 00:30:09,605 --> 00:30:10,955 And psychic sponges. 677 00:30:11,045 --> 00:30:14,015 You pick it all up and they're Helping us, right? 678 00:30:14,195 --> 00:30:15,365 Because what I didn't say. 679 00:30:15,365 --> 00:30:19,805 even in the example with the bird today, after 680 00:30:20,255 --> 00:30:23,615 the human, the, the woman got the message. 681 00:30:24,185 --> 00:30:25,895 Then we go back to the bird and we're like, 682 00:30:26,345 --> 00:30:27,665 we got the message. 683 00:30:27,695 --> 00:30:31,940 Like the bird just needs to know you got their 684 00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:35,840 message and now you can shift to the energy. 685 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,630 Like we can't stop the man from being stressed, but 686 00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:41,750 we can help him to become realization, you know, more 687 00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:44,780 aware of what he's doing with his energy that's 688 00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:48,620 causing the stress in his environment because the stress 689 00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:52,640 he's taken on and help him to recognize I can start 690 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,190 working with my consciousness in a different way. 691 00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:59,135 I can start choosing to recognize like, this 692 00:30:59,135 --> 00:31:00,365 doesn't have to be this way. 693 00:31:00,365 --> 00:31:02,975 I can start trusting like there's healing energy 694 00:31:02,975 --> 00:31:03,665 that comes with that. 695 00:31:03,665 --> 00:31:04,535 Does that make sense? 696 00:31:04,895 --> 00:31:06,755 And once the bird gets the message like, 697 00:31:06,785 --> 00:31:08,045 oh, I did my work. 698 00:31:08,465 --> 00:31:12,995 I, I got the message through, now I can sort of not be, 699 00:31:13,085 --> 00:31:16,385 not have to take that on as much to some degree. 700 00:31:16,985 --> 00:31:18,935 Because the animal wants to teach the human. 701 00:31:19,325 --> 00:31:21,720 Once the animal gets it, the human gets it and the human 702 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,795 goes, ok, I can make change. 703 00:31:23,795 --> 00:31:25,235 I can make appropriate change. 704 00:31:25,265 --> 00:31:28,445 I can either manage my stress differently, make different 705 00:31:28,445 --> 00:31:32,645 choices, then the animal's like phew, did my job great. 706 00:31:33,395 --> 00:31:36,305 And as long as the energy in the household changes, 707 00:31:37,295 --> 00:31:39,695 the whole experience and dynamic can now change. 708 00:31:39,695 --> 00:31:42,545 The animal doesn't necessarily have to absorb that 709 00:31:42,545 --> 00:31:44,735 same stress, especially. 710 00:31:45,455 --> 00:31:48,335 Usually it's just a dynamic that happens regardless. 711 00:31:48,575 --> 00:31:50,135 But if the human makes changes, then 712 00:31:50,135 --> 00:31:51,195 the energy shifts. 713 00:31:51,935 --> 00:31:53,555 Rod Bland: So you have this energetic approach 714 00:31:53,555 --> 00:31:55,565 to working with animals. 715 00:31:55,565 --> 00:31:58,865 So how does, how do you reconcile that with those 716 00:31:58,865 --> 00:32:01,205 who, you know, take the more traditional approach that 717 00:32:01,205 --> 00:32:02,615 isn't, isn't related to that? 718 00:32:02,675 --> 00:32:04,535 When, when you're talking to people that say, haven't 719 00:32:04,535 --> 00:32:06,725 got a lot of experience with training animals and, and you 720 00:32:06,725 --> 00:32:08,855 talk about how you do things, how do you reconcile the two? 721 00:32:10,735 --> 00:32:11,635 Lori Spagna: Well, let me say this. 722 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,615 I, I mean, I, first of all, most of the people 723 00:32:13,615 --> 00:32:16,255 in my reality are into this stuff, so I don't 724 00:32:16,705 --> 00:32:20,350 necessarily interact a lot that much with people who 725 00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:23,830 aren't into it because I find it really draining. 726 00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:27,160 Like I, I do sometimes interact with people who are 727 00:32:28,030 --> 00:32:31,510 like skeptics or cynics, and when I find myself interacting 728 00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:34,390 with them, I try to bow out pretty quickly because 729 00:32:34,930 --> 00:32:37,750 number one, I recognize and honor that everyone has a 730 00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:40,150 right to believe whatever they want, but just because 731 00:32:40,150 --> 00:32:41,830 they believe something doesn't make it true. 732 00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:42,700 Right? 733 00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:46,750 There's, there's truth and truth when truth is known 734 00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:49,900 it's true for everyone regardless of whether 735 00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:50,830 they believe it or not. 736 00:32:50,890 --> 00:32:52,180 Absolute truth, right? 737 00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:55,630 There's not a ton of absolute truth in this reality 738 00:32:55,930 --> 00:32:58,510 because we're living in a reality of perspective. 739 00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:03,220 We're living in a reality of, of, of dynamics that allow 740 00:33:03,220 --> 00:33:06,970 us with our free will to decide whatever we want and 741 00:33:06,970 --> 00:33:09,490 to believe through perspective what is true for us. 742 00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:12,190 But absolute truths do exist. 743 00:33:12,730 --> 00:33:14,710 So when you ask me how 744 00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:17,650 do I interact with people, if I'm playing with somebody, 745 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,550 playing, interacting with someone who is in a state of. 746 00:33:22,495 --> 00:33:25,945 You know, either, you know, skepticism, cynicism, 747 00:33:25,945 --> 00:33:29,545 doubt, disbelief that frequency bandwidth for me 748 00:33:29,545 --> 00:33:31,615 is so dense and so heavy. 749 00:33:31,915 --> 00:33:32,875 I don't enjoy it. 750 00:33:32,905 --> 00:33:36,235 It's not the best area for my services because I'm at 751 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,425 a frequency now where I'm like, okay, if you wanna 752 00:33:38,425 --> 00:33:39,805 stay there, no problem. 753 00:33:40,165 --> 00:33:40,855 No problem. 754 00:33:41,365 --> 00:33:43,375 You have every right to stay there, but I'm not 755 00:33:43,375 --> 00:33:45,895 interested in playing with that game because that 756 00:33:46,225 --> 00:33:48,235 skepticism, doubt, cynicism. 757 00:33:48,235 --> 00:33:49,075 It's a blocker. 758 00:33:49,165 --> 00:33:49,855 That's all it does. 759 00:33:49,855 --> 00:33:50,935 It's just blocking. 760 00:33:51,175 --> 00:33:53,065 It's not even inquiry. 761 00:33:53,725 --> 00:33:55,675 I like in gimme inquiry any day. 762 00:33:56,065 --> 00:33:57,925 Inquiry is, wow. 763 00:33:57,925 --> 00:34:00,865 I, I have no idea what you're talking about. 764 00:34:01,195 --> 00:34:03,325 It's all strange to me, but I'm interested. 765 00:34:03,325 --> 00:34:06,535 Tell me more Or inquiry is, huh? 766 00:34:06,595 --> 00:34:09,745 Like, I don't know, but I'm willing to listen. 767 00:34:10,675 --> 00:34:13,375 Inquiry I love, but the rest of it, it's like the moment 768 00:34:13,375 --> 00:34:15,595 I'm, I'm interacting with that, I'm like, okay, you have 769 00:34:15,595 --> 00:34:16,735 every right to be that way. 770 00:34:16,735 --> 00:34:17,515 No problem. 771 00:34:18,055 --> 00:34:19,765 I'm just not interested in that story. 772 00:34:20,635 --> 00:34:22,105 It doesn't serve me anymore 773 00:34:22,435 --> 00:34:27,145 because I'm already at a space where, from my perspective, 774 00:34:27,775 --> 00:34:31,690 I'm so interested in coming more and more into alignment 775 00:34:31,695 --> 00:34:34,930 with source, which is the Divine, which is the 776 00:34:34,930 --> 00:34:38,200 expansion and the elevation of consciousness, the 777 00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:40,540 evolution of human potential. 778 00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:44,500 The, the, evolution of the light that's here 779 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:45,490 to help us expand. 780 00:34:45,850 --> 00:34:48,235 Why do I wanna shrink or contract again, I have 781 00:34:48,255 --> 00:34:49,360 no interest in that. 782 00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:52,120 I'm here to help people get outta that if they want. 783 00:34:53,260 --> 00:34:56,260 But those contracted states, to me, that's an 784 00:34:56,260 --> 00:35:00,520 old paradigm game that is going extinct really fast. 785 00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:03,570 Rod Bland: It's almost like there's, there's two ends. 786 00:35:03,570 --> 00:35:06,810 There's curiosity on, on one side, the inquiry you're 787 00:35:06,810 --> 00:35:08,550 talking about, and then there's the skepticism and 788 00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:09,780 cynicism on the other end. 789 00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:14,270 I like people who are curious about things, even 790 00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:16,279 if it's something they know absolutely nothing about and 791 00:35:16,399 --> 00:35:17,569 wanna ask questions about it. 792 00:35:18,384 --> 00:35:19,825 Lori Spagna: Yeah, curiosity's great. 793 00:35:19,855 --> 00:35:23,365 Curiosity's fun open-mindedness is fabulous. 794 00:35:23,365 --> 00:35:26,755 That opens the doors, but skepticism, cynicism, doubt 795 00:35:26,755 --> 00:35:28,285 is just a blocker, right? 796 00:35:28,855 --> 00:35:31,825 So like with those, going back to your question you asked 797 00:35:31,825 --> 00:35:32,665 like, how do I handle that? 798 00:35:32,665 --> 00:35:34,915 I just, in my mind, I bless it. 799 00:35:34,915 --> 00:35:36,535 I namaste people all the time. 800 00:35:36,535 --> 00:35:39,625 In my mind, I, I bow to them in my mind and I just say, 801 00:35:40,225 --> 00:35:41,484 you know, I wish you peace. 802 00:35:42,325 --> 00:35:44,484 Uh, if we have no business together, we have no business. 803 00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:45,565 We have no business together. 804 00:35:45,649 --> 00:35:50,185 Either I'm here to expand and uplift and elevate 805 00:35:50,185 --> 00:35:54,694 beings around me in the human world, which I love that. 806 00:35:55,495 --> 00:35:57,714 Or, I'm here to recognize them. 807 00:35:57,714 --> 00:35:59,785 Choosing not to have that experience. 808 00:36:00,475 --> 00:36:01,285 That's okay too. 809 00:36:03,084 --> 00:36:04,345 It's a free will reality 810 00:36:05,689 --> 00:36:07,789 Rod Bland: Yeah, that's one of the, I think that's one of the 811 00:36:07,789 --> 00:36:08,990 fundamental truths, isn't it? 812 00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:10,849 The absolute truth is that we all have free will. 813 00:36:11,785 --> 00:36:12,444 Lori Spagna: for sure. 814 00:36:12,714 --> 00:36:13,134 For sure. 815 00:36:13,495 --> 00:36:14,365 Most people don't. 816 00:36:15,234 --> 00:36:15,684 Yes. 817 00:36:15,834 --> 00:36:18,535 Most people don't realize that your free will is, 818 00:36:18,774 --> 00:36:20,004 what are you thinking? 819 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,970 What are you believing? 820 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,980 What are you paying attention to? 821 00:36:24,190 --> 00:36:25,540 What are you buying into? 822 00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:28,660 What are you giving your intent, consent, 823 00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:29,770 and authority to? 824 00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:34,390 What are you being witness to and what are you accepting 825 00:36:34,395 --> 00:36:37,600 and allowing to be your truth or your experience? 826 00:36:37,810 --> 00:36:40,360 Also, what are you choosing to feel? 827 00:36:41,350 --> 00:36:42,819 How are you emoting? 828 00:36:43,330 --> 00:36:44,980 What are you emoting? 829 00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:45,460 What are. 830 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,729 What energy are you being? 831 00:36:49,029 --> 00:36:51,549 What energy are you bringing into your body? 832 00:36:51,879 --> 00:36:56,620 What em, what energy are you radiating out from you 833 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,120 and what energy are you vibrating at energetically? 834 00:37:01,149 --> 00:37:04,479 These are all aspects of free will choice that we're 835 00:37:04,484 --> 00:37:06,384 not really aware of yet. 836 00:37:07,234 --> 00:37:07,524 Most. 837 00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:11,830 But w this is part of what I, where the direction 838 00:37:11,830 --> 00:37:13,089 for humanity is going. 839 00:37:13,089 --> 00:37:16,029 For those of us choosing to recognize it. 840 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,470 Because as we do, we will be making choices more and more 841 00:37:20,890 --> 00:37:23,560 that are now in this, what I call this new paradigm, right? 842 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,200 New paradigm is like we, us, ours. 843 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,060 What's for the good of all harm to none. 844 00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:30,009 That is where we're going. 845 00:37:30,009 --> 00:37:32,350 What is for the most benevolent, best of 846 00:37:32,350 --> 00:37:34,180 all beings, zero harm. 847 00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:37,450 That is the guiding force of almost everything I do now. 848 00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:40,419 It's my highest intention is serve the light. 849 00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:42,009 What is for the most benevolent best of 850 00:37:42,009 --> 00:37:43,060 all with zero harm? 851 00:37:43,299 --> 00:37:46,810 How may I serve and contribute in that direction and 852 00:37:46,814 --> 00:37:49,865 in accordance with that, which that to me is God's 853 00:37:49,865 --> 00:37:50,165 will. 854 00:37:50,165 --> 00:37:52,535 What is for the most benevolent best of all, with 855 00:37:52,535 --> 00:37:55,984 harm to none in accordance with the expansion of 856 00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:56,944 consciousness, right? 857 00:37:57,369 --> 00:37:59,289 Rod Bland: In your bio you mentioned, uh, the fifth 858 00:37:59,289 --> 00:38:01,899 dimensional, this shift to a, a fifth dimension. 859 00:38:02,349 --> 00:38:05,499 So, um, I'm not quite clear about what that is. 860 00:38:05,504 --> 00:38:05,649 Could 861 00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:07,269 you explain, uh, what 862 00:38:07,364 --> 00:38:09,014 Lori Spagna: Yeah, well that's what I. 863 00:38:09,014 --> 00:38:13,904 mean when I say Old paradigm, new paradigm Old paradigm is, 864 00:38:15,074 --> 00:38:17,744 you know, the physical world that we've been living in. 865 00:38:18,674 --> 00:38:22,514 And so this physical world where everything is based 866 00:38:22,514 --> 00:38:28,499 in a hierarchical top down corpocracy, right? 867 00:38:29,099 --> 00:38:33,599 Service to the self, to the harm and detriment of others. 868 00:38:35,429 --> 00:38:40,259 Fear-based false authority program, like I call 869 00:38:40,264 --> 00:38:42,689 it a program or people call it a matrix, they 870 00:38:42,689 --> 00:38:43,979 call it third dimension. 871 00:38:44,429 --> 00:38:47,909 It's just an old paradigm, and in that old paradigm, 872 00:38:47,909 --> 00:38:50,759 everything is primarily controlled by fear, 873 00:38:51,509 --> 00:38:55,109 dominance, manipulation, secrecy, coercion. 874 00:38:56,399 --> 00:39:01,139 There is this overarching energy of fear that, you know, 875 00:39:01,409 --> 00:39:02,669 afraid to step out your door. 876 00:39:02,669 --> 00:39:04,079 You might get hit by a car. 877 00:39:04,379 --> 00:39:06,479 You have no control over your future. 878 00:39:06,899 --> 00:39:08,369 You're in that old paradigm. 879 00:39:08,374 --> 00:39:11,369 You're basically, my guides always share, talk about 880 00:39:11,369 --> 00:39:14,069 you're reading the book of your life, you think. 881 00:39:14,459 --> 00:39:17,159 Most people think that for the most part, 882 00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:18,479 life is predestined. 883 00:39:18,479 --> 00:39:21,209 They go to their psychic or they, they think they have 884 00:39:21,209 --> 00:39:23,609 no power or control over what happens to their body. 885 00:39:23,609 --> 00:39:25,019 You might die tomorrow. 886 00:39:25,439 --> 00:39:28,019 Everybody has the same twenty-four hours in a day. 887 00:39:28,019 --> 00:39:30,959 In that paradigm, like time is constant. 888 00:39:31,979 --> 00:39:33,959 I mean, just, you know, you, you give your power 889 00:39:33,959 --> 00:39:35,099 to a false authority. 890 00:39:35,099 --> 00:39:38,009 Your government leader, your doctor, your teacher, your 891 00:39:38,009 --> 00:39:39,659 lawyer, your banker, whatever. 892 00:39:40,259 --> 00:39:43,649 And overall, you're basically pretty powerless in that 893 00:39:43,649 --> 00:39:48,390 reality, and that's how humanity has been living. 894 00:39:49,770 --> 00:39:53,339 Now, when we refer to Fifth Dimension, different people 895 00:39:53,339 --> 00:39:54,180 call this different things. 896 00:39:54,209 --> 00:39:57,180 I call it new paradigm because it's a new way. 897 00:39:57,185 --> 00:40:00,899 It's you restoring your authentic, your authentic 898 00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:04,890 truth of who you are, your true source connection. 899 00:40:05,549 --> 00:40:08,879 You're recognizing that you're a conscious free will being. 900 00:40:09,794 --> 00:40:12,555 That your energy and consciousness is what 901 00:40:12,555 --> 00:40:18,734 keeps you like through your choice, through your 902 00:40:18,734 --> 00:40:20,294 energy, your vibration. 903 00:40:20,595 --> 00:40:23,205 You are navigating reality in a whole new way. 904 00:40:23,475 --> 00:40:27,134 You're bringing in and awakening more light in 905 00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:29,444 and through your body, and you're expanding it 906 00:40:29,444 --> 00:40:31,725 because you're much more than a physical body. 907 00:40:32,624 --> 00:40:36,495 You're starting to recognize the incredible infinite 908 00:40:36,495 --> 00:40:40,560 power of the non-physical reality and how to use it. 909 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,649 And when I say power in this reality, it's 910 00:40:43,649 --> 00:40:45,509 never power over another. 911 00:40:46,305 --> 00:40:50,414 It's power to bring about greatness for everyone. 912 00:40:50,414 --> 00:40:51,825 It's for the good of all. 913 00:40:51,825 --> 00:40:52,664 With zero harm. 914 00:40:53,084 --> 00:40:55,664 You would never do anything that would hurt another. 915 00:40:55,964 --> 00:40:58,334 Because in this reality, you start recognizing I'm 916 00:40:58,339 --> 00:41:00,764 connected to everyone and everything, and they're 917 00:41:00,764 --> 00:41:02,564 all parts of this source. 918 00:41:03,014 --> 00:41:05,744 So we're all gonna do like for the good of all, right? 919 00:41:06,075 --> 00:41:11,805 You start functioning from so much more of the higher 920 00:41:11,805 --> 00:41:14,564 pure frequencies that are not, and higher is 921 00:41:14,564 --> 00:41:15,464 just relative, right? 922 00:41:16,095 --> 00:41:17,835 That are not based in contraction. 923 00:41:17,835 --> 00:41:20,415 So they're the, the frequencies of joy, 924 00:41:20,415 --> 00:41:24,734 excitement, optimism, enthusiasm, love, peace, 925 00:41:24,944 --> 00:41:28,095 happiness, you know, those kinds of, you know, 926 00:41:28,095 --> 00:41:30,884 dynamics and those are the energies you're playing 927 00:41:30,884 --> 00:41:31,665 with more and more. 928 00:41:32,055 --> 00:41:33,855 And you're less and less attached to those things. 929 00:41:33,855 --> 00:41:35,415 'cause you're like, who wants to play with that? 930 00:41:35,685 --> 00:41:37,064 That's like not even fun anymore. 931 00:41:37,859 --> 00:41:41,129 So the change, and you also recognize time is malleable. 932 00:41:41,759 --> 00:41:44,129 Time is construct. 933 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:45,449 Everything's construct. 934 00:41:46,139 --> 00:41:50,099 So everything, you're not reading the book of 935 00:41:50,099 --> 00:41:53,039 your life, you're writing the book of your life. 936 00:41:53,464 --> 00:41:54,449 You are writing it. 937 00:41:54,454 --> 00:41:57,899 You're saying, I'm not waiting for some external, 938 00:41:58,829 --> 00:42:02,129 you know, the universe to show me a sign, because that's 939 00:42:02,129 --> 00:42:03,309 just a reflection right? 940 00:42:04,365 --> 00:42:08,924 Everything you start operating from an internal, but internal 941 00:42:08,924 --> 00:42:10,365 is not limited to the body. 942 00:42:11,115 --> 00:42:14,865 It's an internal, unified space of consciousness 943 00:42:15,104 --> 00:42:18,104 where you're like, this is what I'm creating. 944 00:42:18,555 --> 00:42:22,394 This is what I'm having, this is what I'm sharing. 945 00:42:22,424 --> 00:42:23,654 This is what I'm offering. 946 00:42:23,654 --> 00:42:24,825 This is what I'm giving. 947 00:42:25,365 --> 00:42:26,984 This is so fabulous. 948 00:42:27,884 --> 00:42:30,314 I want everybody to have it if they want it too. 949 00:42:30,884 --> 00:42:32,504 It's a whole new way of operating. 950 00:42:33,314 --> 00:42:37,664 So in order to get from Old Paradigm to new so far, 951 00:42:37,664 --> 00:42:38,444 does that make sense? 952 00:42:38,474 --> 00:42:38,774 'cause I'm 953 00:42:38,924 --> 00:42:39,494 Rod Bland: It does. 954 00:42:39,494 --> 00:42:39,764 Yeah. 955 00:42:39,769 --> 00:42:42,044 And, and, and the next question was, okay, for 956 00:42:42,044 --> 00:42:44,654 people that feel like they're stuck in that old paradigm, 957 00:42:44,654 --> 00:42:45,674 what, what should they do? 958 00:42:45,824 --> 00:42:47,084 So I think you're getting to that. 959 00:42:47,744 --> 00:42:48,104 Lori Spagna: yeah. 960 00:42:48,374 --> 00:42:48,704 Okay. 961 00:42:48,704 --> 00:42:51,764 So the first and most important thing to do is 962 00:42:51,764 --> 00:42:54,494 to recognize that you're choosing it Consciously. 963 00:42:54,734 --> 00:42:56,294 That you want it and you're gonna will it. 964 00:42:56,294 --> 00:42:57,134 You're choosing it. 965 00:42:57,134 --> 00:43:00,734 You have to choose it, and you have to be willing. 966 00:43:01,634 --> 00:43:05,669 Now once you decide, right, you start claiming a, a 967 00:43:05,834 --> 00:43:09,794 like start saying, I claim, I claim my authority over 968 00:43:09,794 --> 00:43:14,504 my life and I am choosing my most benevolent best. 969 00:43:14,504 --> 00:43:16,754 'Cause that is, that is God's will, that is 970 00:43:16,754 --> 00:43:17,865 the will of expansion. 971 00:43:18,314 --> 00:43:21,254 So you just start affirming what is my most benevolent 972 00:43:21,254 --> 00:43:22,334 best with harm to none. 973 00:43:22,394 --> 00:43:24,345 You start living in accordance with that. 974 00:43:25,125 --> 00:43:26,865 Every day you're making new choices. 975 00:43:26,865 --> 00:43:29,234 What is my most benevolent best, what is for my 976 00:43:29,234 --> 00:43:30,435 most benevolent best? 977 00:43:30,765 --> 00:43:32,805 'Cause your most benevolent best will never 978 00:43:32,805 --> 00:43:36,285 include harm to someone else That's a given. 979 00:43:36,825 --> 00:43:39,345 And you, if you start asking that and living 980 00:43:39,345 --> 00:43:40,245 in accordance to that 981 00:43:40,245 --> 00:43:43,575 each day, your most benevolent best overall is going to 982 00:43:43,575 --> 00:43:47,444 be more fulfilling, more rewarding, more positively 983 00:43:47,444 --> 00:43:48,975 uplifting, more expanding. 984 00:43:49,214 --> 00:43:51,944 It's going to be things that you enjoy, it's gonna 985 00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:55,589 reveal to you where you're not living in accordance 986 00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:59,069 with that, and you ask that, that be lovingly removed. 987 00:43:59,430 --> 00:44:00,930 When you ask, who are you asking? 988 00:44:01,259 --> 00:44:03,120 You're asking consciousness. 989 00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:06,120 Because we are consciousness. 990 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,140 We're not just bodies. 991 00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:08,069 We're not just humans. 992 00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:10,379 We're not egos. 993 00:44:10,379 --> 00:44:13,024 I really drives me crazy when people talk about the ego. 994 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,609 'cause that's old paradigm, right? 995 00:44:14,939 --> 00:44:16,259 There's just energy. 996 00:44:17,069 --> 00:44:20,370 So you're basically asking a higher consciousness, 997 00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:22,109 higher being just relative. 998 00:44:22,724 --> 00:44:27,074 Which is who you are a part of your future self 999 00:44:27,074 --> 00:44:29,924 that's already evolved or your progressed 1000 00:44:29,924 --> 00:44:30,944 higher consciousness. 1001 00:44:31,274 --> 00:44:34,214 You're saying let this be done, like guide me that I 1002 00:44:34,214 --> 00:44:36,764 may move in the direction in accordance with my 1003 00:44:36,769 --> 00:44:41,444 most benevolent best when, so-called shadow aspects 1004 00:44:41,444 --> 00:44:46,049 of self, which is like old paradigm fear based beliefs, 1005 00:44:46,049 --> 00:44:48,240 belief systems, etc come up. 1006 00:44:48,299 --> 00:44:49,859 Emotions, energies. 1007 00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:50,969 You have to work with that. 1008 00:44:50,969 --> 00:44:53,369 You have to clear it out and resolve it somehow. 1009 00:44:53,729 --> 00:44:56,909 You either need some kind of pr, you know, practice 1010 00:44:56,914 --> 00:44:59,399 that works for you, that you learn, or some 1011 00:44:59,399 --> 00:45:00,779 kind of coach or mentor. 1012 00:45:00,784 --> 00:45:02,279 That's how I help people. 1013 00:45:02,789 --> 00:45:05,309 But you eventually learn it for yourself, right? 1014 00:45:05,309 --> 00:45:08,729 There's all kinds of tools and practices that you can 1015 00:45:08,729 --> 00:45:14,129 apply to clear, heal, and resolve those parts of you. 1016 00:45:15,059 --> 00:45:18,119 You, meaning all of us that are still anchored in 1017 00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:22,169 that old energy, that old paradigm energy to resolve 1018 00:45:22,169 --> 00:45:24,959 that so that you're not bringing it into your future. 1019 00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:28,889 And so that you're liberated energetically to be more and 1020 00:45:28,889 --> 00:45:30,720 more into this new paradigm. 1021 00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:34,559 And one other thing I gotta say is it's not a here, there, 1022 00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:36,539 out there, it's a within. 1023 00:45:37,319 --> 00:45:38,009 It's within. 1024 00:45:38,549 --> 00:45:40,139 We're not going somewhere. 1025 00:45:40,829 --> 00:45:43,349 We're transforming ourselves from within. 1026 00:45:44,094 --> 00:45:44,634 Rod Bland: It does. 1027 00:45:44,634 --> 00:45:45,834 You've gained so much wisdom. 1028 00:45:46,284 --> 00:45:49,164 So if you were able to give advice to your 1029 00:45:49,164 --> 00:45:51,109 30-year-old self, what, what would you say? 1030 00:45:53,019 --> 00:45:54,549 Lori Spagna: Oh my 30 year, if I was giving 1031 00:45:54,549 --> 00:45:55,839 my 30-year-old self, oh 1032 00:45:56,124 --> 00:45:56,484 Rod Bland: Yeah. 1033 00:45:58,524 --> 00:45:59,964 Lori Spagna: Oh, I love her so much. 1034 00:45:59,964 --> 00:46:02,154 I'm so sorry she had such a hard time. 1035 00:46:02,904 --> 00:46:04,554 I would give her please. 1036 00:46:04,554 --> 00:46:07,524 I would tell her, please, can you just pay attention to me? 1037 00:46:07,794 --> 00:46:08,994 I love you so much. 1038 00:46:09,024 --> 00:46:09,924 Please follow me. 1039 00:46:09,924 --> 00:46:10,614 I'm gonna lead you. 1040 00:46:10,614 --> 00:46:11,304 I'm gonna show you. 1041 00:46:11,574 --> 00:46:12,834 I wish she knew me. 1042 00:46:14,694 --> 00:46:16,164 I wish she knew me back then. 1043 00:46:16,164 --> 00:46:18,444 I would give her the advice and tell her, be 1044 00:46:18,444 --> 00:46:19,974 patient with yourself. 1045 00:46:19,974 --> 00:46:20,784 Love yourself. 1046 00:46:20,784 --> 00:46:22,314 Learn how to love yourself. 1047 00:46:22,824 --> 00:46:24,354 Learn how to accept yourself. 1048 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,029 Learn how to be in total acceptance of 1049 00:46:28,029 --> 00:46:29,979 who you are right now. 1050 00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:31,569 I would tell anybody that. 1051 00:46:31,569 --> 00:46:36,609 Just be an acceptance that you are infinitely worthy, 1052 00:46:36,999 --> 00:46:39,729 infinitely deserving, infinitely valuable. 1053 00:46:39,729 --> 00:46:42,639 Infinitely lovable because you exist. 1054 00:46:43,389 --> 00:46:43,899 That's it. 1055 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:45,159 You don't have to prove it. 1056 00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:46,329 You don't have to. 1057 00:46:46,764 --> 00:46:48,534 Leap off of Tall Mountain. 1058 00:46:48,564 --> 00:46:49,494 You don't have to do anything. 1059 00:46:49,494 --> 00:46:52,224 Just you are, you exist, you're worthy, deserving, 1060 00:46:52,224 --> 00:46:53,634 valuable, important. 1061 00:46:53,934 --> 00:46:54,654 You matter. 1062 00:46:54,654 --> 00:46:57,054 You have something to do here, something to offer. 1063 00:46:57,354 --> 00:47:00,234 I would tell her that and I would tell everybody that. 1064 00:47:00,384 --> 00:47:04,014 I wish everybody knew that like wholly, 1065 00:47:04,134 --> 00:47:05,004 in their whole body. 1066 00:47:06,019 --> 00:47:08,679 Rod Bland: Do you think that's why I, I noticed around me. 1067 00:47:09,504 --> 00:47:12,834 This, and I've, I'm guilty of this at times as well. 1068 00:47:13,284 --> 00:47:17,814 We have pain and we, we want to do something about it. 1069 00:47:17,819 --> 00:47:19,224 And I think that's what was going with you. 1070 00:47:19,224 --> 00:47:21,264 So there's, you know, alcohol and prescription 1071 00:47:21,264 --> 00:47:23,694 drugs and whatever else you could get your hands on. 1072 00:47:23,694 --> 00:47:26,544 And just so that you don't have to feel 1073 00:47:26,664 --> 00:47:28,584 whatever that pain is. 1074 00:47:29,204 --> 00:47:30,764 What do you think is going on there for a 1075 00:47:30,764 --> 00:47:31,544 majority of people? 1076 00:47:31,594 --> 00:47:32,824 I notice a lot of people are really high 1077 00:47:32,824 --> 00:47:33,664 functioning as well. 1078 00:47:33,874 --> 00:47:35,914 It's not like they're, they're, you know, they're 1079 00:47:35,914 --> 00:47:36,784 holding down their job. 1080 00:47:36,784 --> 00:47:39,094 They've got children and families and marriages, etc. 1081 00:47:39,964 --> 00:47:41,839 But they feel a lot of pain and they're, and 1082 00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:45,034 they're always trying to always do something to dull 1083 00:47:45,034 --> 00:47:46,054 it, you know, something 1084 00:47:46,054 --> 00:47:46,444 external. 1085 00:47:47,439 --> 00:47:47,769 Lori Spagna: Yeah. 1086 00:47:47,769 --> 00:47:49,389 It's the way, it's the way, 1087 00:47:51,009 --> 00:47:52,089 I mean, it's multiple things. 1088 00:47:52,089 --> 00:47:54,579 First, society is really brainwashed, right? 1089 00:47:54,579 --> 00:47:54,909 I mean, if you. 1090 00:47:55,509 --> 00:47:59,709 If you actually were to stop and taste alcohol, 1091 00:47:59,769 --> 00:48:01,240 do you think you would actually like it? 1092 00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,609 Like that was part of, I remember how I quit smoking. 1093 00:48:03,609 --> 00:48:06,369 I would, my guides and my angels were telling 1094 00:48:06,369 --> 00:48:09,249 me like, just taste the wholeness of the cigarette 1095 00:48:09,579 --> 00:48:10,569 when you breathe it in. 1096 00:48:10,569 --> 00:48:13,689 Really let your body taste it and feel it. 1097 00:48:13,689 --> 00:48:15,669 And I was like, this is disgusting. 1098 00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:16,779 Why do I want this? 1099 00:48:17,169 --> 00:48:19,269 So on the one level, we do 1100 00:48:19,269 --> 00:48:21,819 that stuff to suppress the pain that we're 1101 00:48:21,819 --> 00:48:23,079 afraid of feeling. 1102 00:48:24,144 --> 00:48:29,634 And if we could start to realize the pain is not 1103 00:48:29,634 --> 00:48:32,274 stronger than us, it is not bigger than us, it is 1104 00:48:32,274 --> 00:48:33,864 not more powerful than us. 1105 00:48:34,404 --> 00:48:38,754 And if we would be willing to allow ourselves to feel and 1106 00:48:38,759 --> 00:48:42,834 experience the pain, whatever it is we're suppressing or 1107 00:48:42,834 --> 00:48:46,014 denying with food, cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, whatever. 1108 00:48:47,154 --> 00:48:50,664 Just to allow ourselves even, even concepts of 1109 00:48:50,664 --> 00:48:54,174 lack or limitation, or not good enoughness or 1110 00:48:54,174 --> 00:48:55,254 this is really common. 1111 00:48:55,254 --> 00:48:57,024 A lot of my students and clients have this. 1112 00:48:57,024 --> 00:48:58,704 They're afraid of energy. 1113 00:48:59,034 --> 00:49:02,124 They're afraid of someone else's energy. 1114 00:49:02,124 --> 00:49:03,684 They're afraid of dark stuff. 1115 00:49:03,954 --> 00:49:08,154 They're afraid of like, you know, demons or entities. 1116 00:49:08,604 --> 00:49:11,754 None of that stuff has any power over us. 1117 00:49:12,024 --> 00:49:15,864 The only reason I it has any power is because we give it 1118 00:49:15,894 --> 00:49:20,484 our power because we think it has power or because, yeah, 1119 00:49:20,814 --> 00:49:23,004 we don't wanna face it, so we suppress with some kind 1120 00:49:23,004 --> 00:49:26,424 of pill or drug or alcohol or sugar food or something. 1121 00:49:27,114 --> 00:49:31,494 So if we're willing to be with that pain, that 1122 00:49:31,494 --> 00:49:35,364 discomfort, or that fear, and literally say to it, I 1123 00:49:35,364 --> 00:49:36,534 teach this in all my classes. 1124 00:49:37,584 --> 00:49:39,774 It's called the fear processing exercise, but 1125 00:49:39,774 --> 00:49:43,179 you can apply it to anything like you say to it you 1126 00:49:43,179 --> 00:49:44,619 have no power over me. 1127 00:49:45,369 --> 00:49:48,159 I am the love that you are looking for. 1128 00:49:48,970 --> 00:49:50,619 And you breathe in. 1129 00:49:50,619 --> 00:49:52,990 You take in the energy of love. 1130 00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:54,909 Just the energy of love. 1131 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:56,559 Look, love is so powerful. 1132 00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:58,569 Some people, you think everybody wants it, but 1133 00:49:58,574 --> 00:49:59,709 some people can't handle it. 1134 00:50:00,069 --> 00:50:02,109 So you can take in the energy of peace. 1135 00:50:02,499 --> 00:50:03,639 Divine peace. 1136 00:50:04,179 --> 00:50:06,789 I am the peace you've been looking for, like stress. 1137 00:50:07,449 --> 00:50:09,279 You could do that with stress and anxiety. 1138 00:50:09,609 --> 00:50:13,089 Anyone who had anxiety, let's just say the anxiety comes up. 1139 00:50:13,089 --> 00:50:15,129 Oh, like they're so afraid, they're so nervous. 1140 00:50:15,129 --> 00:50:17,529 Whatever it is, they're so worried, and you just start 1141 00:50:17,529 --> 00:50:19,239 breathing in divine peace. 1142 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,519 Just breathe as full as you can. 1143 00:50:21,849 --> 00:50:25,419 The body starts going into homeostasis and you just say 1144 00:50:25,419 --> 00:50:29,409 to all that anxiety, I am the peace you are looking for. 1145 00:50:29,409 --> 00:50:30,339 And you just keep breathing. 1146 00:50:30,339 --> 00:50:31,599 You start, you don't fight it. 1147 00:50:31,689 --> 00:50:32,319 Don't fight it. 1148 00:50:32,964 --> 00:50:36,054 Just let it know that it has no power over you 1149 00:50:36,534 --> 00:50:39,534 because you decide your peace, you choose that. 1150 00:50:39,865 --> 00:50:43,615 You breathe it in, it goes away like that. 1151 00:50:43,854 --> 00:50:45,774 You start realizing it has no power over you. 1152 00:50:45,774 --> 00:50:48,174 It can't, that energy just dissipates. 1153 00:50:48,894 --> 00:50:51,444 'cause now you're choosing a new energy. 1154 00:50:51,954 --> 00:50:54,564 You choosing to be peace, or you're choosing to 1155 00:50:54,564 --> 00:50:59,544 be acceptance, or you're choosing to be allowance. 1156 00:50:59,874 --> 00:51:00,504 Allowance. 1157 00:51:00,504 --> 00:51:01,704 That's a really good energy. 1158 00:51:02,579 --> 00:51:03,984 I'm just gonna allow this. 1159 00:51:04,499 --> 00:51:05,844 I'm not gonna fight it anymore. 1160 00:51:06,984 --> 00:51:10,164 The moment you just allow it, like, whoa, that's gone. 1161 00:51:10,794 --> 00:51:13,404 That energy that I've been suppressing with 1162 00:51:13,409 --> 00:51:18,894 alcohol, drugs, whatever, it's gone like, and then 1163 00:51:18,899 --> 00:51:20,394 you start realizing you don't even need the drugs 1164 00:51:20,399 --> 00:51:21,444 or the alcohol anymore. 1165 00:51:22,249 --> 00:51:23,239 Rod Bland: That's a great answer. 1166 00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:26,809 Um, if people have, uh, well, tell us about everything 1167 00:51:26,809 --> 00:51:28,369 you've got going on, or, I know you've got books 1168 00:51:28,369 --> 00:51:29,299 and you've got programs. 1169 00:51:29,304 --> 00:51:31,669 Just could you give us a, give us a summary of what 1170 00:51:31,669 --> 00:51:33,319 you've got going on there and how people can get in 1171 00:51:33,319 --> 00:51:34,339 touch with you if they want to? 1172 00:51:35,114 --> 00:51:36,404 Lori Spagna: That could take another hour. 1173 00:51:36,674 --> 00:51:40,424 Well, so my, I, my, I just launched a podcast myself. 1174 00:51:40,424 --> 00:51:42,764 It's called The Awakened, Elevated Human. 1175 00:51:43,034 --> 00:51:44,024 I'm really excited about it. 1176 00:51:44,924 --> 00:51:47,759 Um, my website is loryspagna.com. 1177 00:51:47,809 --> 00:51:50,929 I have a, a Sacred Visionary mentorship, which I work 1178 00:51:50,929 --> 00:51:53,509 with people and I'm helping them to learn all this stuff 1179 00:51:53,509 --> 00:51:56,419 and heal and resolve all these old trauma aspects. 1180 00:51:56,419 --> 00:51:58,489 So that's something they can learn about. 1181 00:51:58,489 --> 00:52:02,419 But I will tell you, I have an something that's free, 1182 00:52:02,419 --> 00:52:03,679 a nine day masterclass. 1183 00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:06,739 I teach it in cycles, and it's called the 1184 00:52:06,739 --> 00:52:08,059 Expansion Experience. 1185 00:52:08,059 --> 00:52:09,619 It's completely free. 1186 00:52:10,234 --> 00:52:12,904 Where people are learning to work with this energy 1187 00:52:12,904 --> 00:52:14,254 and shift it and change it. 1188 00:52:14,704 --> 00:52:18,244 And that's on my website at lorispagna.com, the 1189 00:52:18,244 --> 00:52:19,474 expansion experience. 1190 00:52:19,804 --> 00:52:21,454 One last thing I'll just offer people. 1191 00:52:21,454 --> 00:52:25,084 If they want to learn more about how they can 1192 00:52:25,084 --> 00:52:28,054 activate their dormant potential, they can get a 1193 00:52:28,084 --> 00:52:30,274 free gifted DNA activation. 1194 00:52:30,274 --> 00:52:32,344 That's a huge part of like awakening what's 1195 00:52:32,344 --> 00:52:39,364 dormant in us at lorispagna.com/freegifts/dna. 1196 00:52:40,114 --> 00:52:43,114 And if they wanna learn how to work with animals more, they 1197 00:52:43,114 --> 00:52:46,654 can go to like communication, telepathy, psychic abilities. 1198 00:52:47,134 --> 00:52:50,394 They can go to lorispagna.com/freegifts/animals, 1199 00:52:53,284 --> 00:52:56,104 and you can learn how to help animals on a global scale. 1200 00:52:56,674 --> 00:52:57,634 Great stuff in there. 1201 00:52:58,594 --> 00:52:59,374 Really meaty 1202 00:52:59,704 --> 00:53:00,124 stuff. 1203 00:53:00,124 --> 00:53:00,454 Yeah. 1204 00:53:01,144 --> 00:53:01,624 Rod Bland: Terrific. 1205 00:53:01,984 --> 00:53:06,074 And do you have any, anything that final that 1206 00:53:06,074 --> 00:53:06,914 you wanna say to people? 1207 00:53:06,914 --> 00:53:08,564 Any message that you'd like to leave people with? 1208 00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:10,849 Lori Spagna: Oh my goodness. 1209 00:53:10,854 --> 00:53:13,279 I guess what I'd just say, first of all, thank you. 1210 00:53:13,429 --> 00:53:15,229 Thank you guys for listening and Thank you. 1211 00:53:15,229 --> 00:53:15,979 for having me. 1212 00:53:15,979 --> 00:53:19,069 It's been really fun and you're an awesome host. 1213 00:53:19,069 --> 00:53:19,399 Rod. 1214 00:53:19,969 --> 00:53:22,819 You gave me a lot of space to share, so the gratitude. 1215 00:53:23,659 --> 00:53:25,399 Other than that, I just wanna tell people like 1216 00:53:25,399 --> 00:53:27,889 reclaim your power, reclaim your connection. 1217 00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:31,769 However you identify with your source, you may call 1218 00:53:31,769 --> 00:53:34,289 it God, or you may call it spirit or the universe or 1219 00:53:34,289 --> 00:53:38,399 the infinite or your higher self, but just reclaim that 1220 00:53:38,399 --> 00:53:42,569 because the greatness that is within every person, the 1221 00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:45,689 brilliance, the magnificence, we have the solutions 1222 00:53:45,689 --> 00:53:46,829 to the world's problems. 1223 00:53:47,069 --> 00:53:49,799 They're all stored up in our dormant DNA 1224 00:53:49,859 --> 00:53:50,999 in our unconscious. 1225 00:53:51,419 --> 00:53:52,499 They're within us. 1226 00:53:52,814 --> 00:53:55,349 And the more, the solution to everything in the 1227 00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:56,879 world is consciousness. 1228 00:53:57,179 --> 00:53:59,819 So the more conscious we become, the more we reclaim 1229 00:53:59,819 --> 00:54:03,449 that that connection with our source, which happens 1230 00:54:03,454 --> 00:54:09,089 from within us, the more this world and everything 1231 00:54:09,089 --> 00:54:13,289 magnificent that's available to us will be revealed in the 1232 00:54:13,289 --> 00:54:18,269 physical world, and it's time for us, it's time for us. 1233 00:54:18,269 --> 00:54:20,189 So that's what I will say. 1234 00:54:20,884 --> 00:54:24,484 Just know we are infinitely amazing beings. 1235 00:54:24,754 --> 00:54:26,824 Waking up and remembering that's, 1236 00:54:27,754 --> 00:54:28,564 that's what I'll share. 1237 00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:30,609 Rod Bland: That's a great message. 1238 00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:32,529 Lori, it's been my pleasure to have you on the show 1239 00:54:32,529 --> 00:54:32,889 today. 1240 00:54:32,889 --> 00:54:33,729 Thanks for being here. 1241 00:54:34,474 --> 00:54:36,214 Lori Spagna: Thank you so much for having me, Rod.