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Unknown: Have you tried the
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tool, the Morgan tool. Hey, what
is it? God bless him, it's, it's

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kind of like a, it's a, it's,
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how you kind of put your drum
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nuts and stuff. It's basically
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And it's selling for a premium.
I saw it at the drum show, and

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it's flying off the show. I
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percussion in Raleigh, North
Carolina, and I looked at the

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price tag, and I was like, Are
you kidding me for this? And,

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and they're like, Dude, we can't
keep them in stock. I'm so happy

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for Rod, yeah, how cool. You
know what I mean to because to

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get a to get a piece of
ancillary, you know, auxiliary

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gear in the music business, to
get sticky, right? Like a big

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fat snare drum, or a drum taco,
or a Mr. Muff, lug locks. Yeah,

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any of that stuff

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is difficult, very, very, I have
a Mr. Muff, yeah, it's cool. I

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just like

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saying it anyways. So the

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thing is that, or you buy just
a, you know, a channel lock, but

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it's not a Morgan tool, see,
channel lock can do the same

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thing, yeah, but, but

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we like rod, and we want him to
be successful. We do want

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him to be successful. He's he's
retired from Berkeley, right,

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tired from

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Berkeley, still playing. She's
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Rod, what's up? Buddy show,
buddy left I would be too, yeah,

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left handed. He's playing the
wrong

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way. This is the rich Redman
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Apparently, we've started this
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we're not supposed to reveal a
new media when we are actually

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starting the podcast. That's the
new thing, yeah. But we do have

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our mugs, we do which are not
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are dishwasher safe, but they
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and it will disappear if you put
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I'm talking about the iconic
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show coffee mug. These things
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What's the code? Oh, gosh, fall
2025. Is it? Fall 2020 Yes, it's

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this rich Redmond show.com. Use
the code. Fall

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2025 it's been a minute or 25%
off? Yeah, the store, yeah, it

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been a minute because we have
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it is about the fall, but the
schedule has been for Christmas.

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What Christmas 2025 oh, yeah,
we're gonna or Xmas. That's,

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that's so wrong. No, yeah. But
we, you know what, we got to re

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release the Master series to
kind of like, buy us some time.

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So we released episodes on
Lonnie Wilson, Eddie bears and

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Paul lime. And these are the
OGs. And I went back and

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listened to him, re listen to
him, and I learned a great

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takeaway with Paul lime, get
there, always 30 minutes early.

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Like, you know, his drums are
set up, ready to go. But he

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always is there without fail. 30
minutes early, coffee in hand,

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you know, shooting the shit with
everybody just ready to go.

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You know, that's pushing it, 30
minutes early. I think an hour

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early. Well, he's kind of a
slacker, I think.

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I mean, what has he done,
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Yeah, yeah. He's just, he's just
starting his career. But today's

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guest knows Paul knows Lonnie
knows Eddie. We all know each

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other. We're as thick as
thieves. Hailing from Cleveland,

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Tennessee, calling Nashville
home for 27 years. My guest

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today, Garth justice has
performed, recorded with Casting

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Crowns. TG, Shepherd, Jackie
Velazquez, Petra Engelbert,

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humperdig, Michael English,
Ricky Skaggs, Jody Messina, the

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list goes on and on, and most
notably, last several years,

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since 2021 the queen of country
music, Reba McIntyre, that's our

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new friend. Garth justice,
what's up? Man, rich, how you

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doing? Thanks for being here.
Man, thanks for having me. You

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got Spring Hill, Tennessee, I
drove past the sign today, since

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1809

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Wow, that's surprising.

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That little horse and buggies,
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know, doesn't look a day over.
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even back then, they didn't have
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overcrowded.

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Oh, yeah. I mean these little
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wow.

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Dirt roads, most likely back
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at least, at least traffic still
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Yeah, there isn't, there is a
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you know, Dave Santos, the great
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Evan Hutchings is like a stone's
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John spittle is here. Scott
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Williamson, yeah, our

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friend, the bass player. We had
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we had him on, Matt. Matt, Matt.
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Have to. He came on with
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He lives right down the road
from me. Dang it nice.

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And you know what we get? We got
to take our ginkgo Balboa. I've

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been taking it,

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taking my ginkgo Balboa. What

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is that guy's name? Mean, but
with, like, what is his resume?

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Ellsworth. Ellsworth,

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gosh, my God, Jim, this is
really tanking. And he was so

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cool. Yeah, no. Definitely loved
him. So Garth, you know, we have

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been in this, this, like, circle
and scene of your drums over

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there, drum

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paradise, right? They were,
yeah, I'm with sound check now,

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yeah, you

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moved over there, closed Sony.
I've been with every Cartridge

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Company and dang tank, you know,
and a lot of them are closed

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now, right? But I would see your
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and I would be like, Oh my God,
we've got to get together. I

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mean, do something. And, you
know, here it is, I've been

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you've been here 27 years. I've
been here 28 years, and you were

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telling me you have a beautiful
home studio. We kind of lived

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over in the same hood together,
right, right, yeah, yeah. So,

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what's, what's a typical day for
you? Are you cranking out five

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songs a day, every day? What's,
what's the thing? Boy,

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it really varies quite a bit.
You know, there are, you know,

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the demo sessions where it's,
you know, 2530 songs for the

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day. I think 31 is my top Yes,
for a single day. Wow. 21 for

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me. A Keith follows, which is
crazy. This is a, you know,

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buddy Hyatt. Oh yeah. Oh gosh.
Love that guy. And he just

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cranks him out and knows how to
do it. I hope he's doing okay,

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buddy, yeah, yeah. He's doing
great. Okay. He's doing great.

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He's still killing it. But, you
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players in the room, one pass,
maybe a couple fixes, maybe a

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guitar solo, and move on to the
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song. Now, are you doing full,
full tracking in your place?

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And then, and then other days,
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it's, you know, 31 songs, but
there, there are days that are,

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you know, a couple songs and
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like I know, Tony Moore does
that a little bit, maybe Scott

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Williamson does it a little bit.
But do you all? Do you have an

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engineer there?

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So no, I engineer all. I
engineer most of the stuff at my

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place. I've got a remote rig set
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that means you're punching
everyone the fixes. So you're a

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master of

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all the DAWs. I don't know about
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have to be fast, yeah, you do
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I've learned is to set the set
your markers up before you ever

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walk into the drums. Set the
markers up for the session. You

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know, look through the chart.
Set your verses, your choruses.

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So when somebody asks for a I
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right to it, yeah, you get to
it. So, yeah, just little tricks

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now, how did you learn Pro
Tools? Was it a thing like, Oh,

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my God, I better jump on this
bandwagon and get left behind.

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First question, yeah, what was
the first dog that you learned?

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Oh, Pro Tools, yeah. Was it Pro
Tools? It was, what would do?

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What were you doing prior to
that? Did you cut and splice

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tape

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with? You know, my first couple
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never engineered to tape. My
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on were to tape. But then when I
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mixing, that kind of thing, we
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precursor to digital as we know

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yeah. I mean, technically
digital tape, but yeah, still

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kind of fraught with peril. Yes,
exactly. Was

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there anything intimidating
about Pro Tools when he first

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you remember just the, you know,
learning the interface, you

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know, learning the how long

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gosh, I think I'm still
learning. But no, what I did the

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first Pro Tools rig that I had
was bought by the band I was

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traveling with at the time,
corporate entertainment band

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that brought me to town. And I
got, I got the rig set up, and I

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was like, Okay, well, I don't
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opened up a I imported a CD
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plugin in the list. Just, let's
see what I can do. Yeah, and I

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would cut stuff up and move it
around. And, you know, just try

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to try to create. It's good
practice. Yeah, it was good. It

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training. That's what I did,
because it was, it all the way

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back when it's called Sound
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this would have been, this would
have been 2000 so not it would I

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think Pro Tools five was the
first, the first version i You

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ever hear of. Saw software.
Audience. I did, wow. I did

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early, early the mid 90s. Yes,
those awful, yeah,

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great movies. Great

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Movies. 12 is coming out. Oh my
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Halloween guy? Do you? Do you
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to it at all? Yeah, you know, we
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Halloween party with some

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friends, and we generally just
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We are glad you're here. What?
What? Who put the sticks in your

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hand? Well, my uncle was a
drummer. My dad's youngest

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brother was a drummer, and he
had drums set up in my

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grandparents house when I was,
when I was born, yeah? And so at

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about two years old, I made my
way down there and just, you

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know, kind of tapping around. So
that's very young, yeah, yeah.

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didn't have any necessary

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talent, you know, yeah, from a
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then what was the thing? Well,
you know, we might be around the

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same age. So were you a child of
MTV or what?

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Okay, yeah, yeah, I loved, I
loved watching MTV. I think, if

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I remember correctly, the first
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looks at kill so, I mean, yeah,
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and now, are you Martha Quinn or
Nina Blackwood?

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Gosh, I, I don't remember that
far back rich.

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Okay, so Martha Quinn was like,
she looked like a little pixie.

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Had this. She had the cute,
little sassy haircut. And then

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there was Nina Blackwood, who
was blonde, and she talked like

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she was gargling with razor.

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Okay, I've done most of my work
in town in the contemporary

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Christian sec,

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how did you find yourself in
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in the in the contemporary Oh,
and that, well, I grew up in

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church. I'm a church kid, yeah,
grew up, you know, playing in

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church, seven, eight years old,
something like that. The drummer

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didn't show up for Sunday night
service, and so they said, Hey,

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Garth, could you play drums
tonight? And you know, I was off

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to the races. So, like I said,
from very young age, just loved

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the drums. Loved everything
drumming and drums. So

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how old were you when that
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seven or eight? When the when
the Sunday night thing happened?

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Yeah, I can't remember. My mom
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at that point, were you like,
Could you play? I kept a beat,

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you know,

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I would not want to hear the
tape of that service if it

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exists

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anywhere. Humbling, going back
to those oh my god, set demo

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cassettes, right? Yeah, yeah.
Did you get rid of your I got

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rid of all my

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cassettes. Finally, yeah, yeah.
You know what I by. By the time

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I started collecting music, it
was all on CD, so I had a few

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tapes, but not much. It's

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really funny when someone you
play on their record, and they

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sign a CD over to you, and you
look at it, and you go, I have

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no way to play, right, right?

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Yeah. We still, I have a
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and we still sell CDs at the at
the table, yeah. And people

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still buy them. You know, my
wife bought a new car last year,

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2020 and not new, new to us, and
it's got a six CD changer in it.

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Really 2020 Yeah, really crazy.
I thought you're gonna say it

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didn't have a CD player, right?
No, mine doesn't. My car

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doesn't, but, yeah, I mean, does
yours nothing?

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Because they're actually doing
away with am radio next? Wow.

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Jim likes, Jim was in radio, and
so he is planting his flag with

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the idea that radio is going

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away. It's not going away. I
think it's gonna stick around.

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Just, do you think terrestrial
radio is going away, or is it?

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Well, I don't think it'll never
go away, because it's needed for

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a public service, sure that, God
forbid anything happens. It is

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we're supposed to have radio
stations or the worlds or

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anything like that. Yeah,
exactly. Radio stations. I think

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music stations are going away.
Yeah. I think they're gonna

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Yeah, that makes

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sense, yeah. Well, did you see
that MTV and VH one pulled all

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of their music programming.
They're only going to 20

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years ago. But I thought

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they're going out of business. I
thought they stopped like MTV

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just went off the

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air. Really, I would have
thought there had been a bigger

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deal

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about that. I remember, maybe it
was an AI article. Who the hell

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knows? How

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do you know what we're reading
is the truth? Right? Exactly.

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Spend a two hour conversation on
that, right? Yeah. I

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mean, that's real. That's a real
scary word. World. Living it is

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it really, is it is MTV
shutting. Sorry, I didn't get

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much sleep last night. I can't
put my my articulation is not

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happening today. We're

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drummers. It's our paramount.
Confirms MTV shutdown. Wow. Two

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days ago.

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Holy cannoli.

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Speaking of which, it's not a
very I don't know if it's a

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compelling story, but do you and
the bride, like binge shows. I

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mean, are you? Are you a Netflix
Hulu Binger

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company? Yeah, we'll generally
have a show or two that we're

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watching together or with some
friends. So, yeah, we're in. Oh,

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shoot. I can't remember the name
of the show we're watching with

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friends right now, but we've got
one episode left, and it's been,

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like a month, and we haven't
been able to get together with

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our friends. And so black rabbit
die. No, it's shoot, it's a it's

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an English show. It's fantastic.
And I can't remember the name.

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Anyway,

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yeah, they got that channel Brit
box, which all British

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programming. Oh, nice. Yeah,
nice. Very polite, yeah, very

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polite network. But no, I
recommend black rabbit on

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Netflix. That was incredible.
What cool story? Jude Law and

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someone else,

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yeah, some very attractive
person. We don't know who it is.

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That's amazing. Jim is doing the
thing. He's trying to track down

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what happened well, because

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there's, there's like, an
article that says, you know, MTV

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is not shutting down, and it's
like the Dayton Daily News and

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the car. The article that I got
before was from Hindustan Times.

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That's in Kentucky, right? Yeah,
I'm pretty sure think it's right

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next to Cleveland. Yeah, it very
well, maybe a suburb of

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Cleveland, Tennessee.

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What's life like in Cleveland,
Tennessee, to get back there,

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you still have

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some Yeah, my mom and dad still
live there. Still active in

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church. It's a, it's a, it's a
church town. Yeah, number one,

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in a college town. Number two,
the Lee University's there.

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You're right there. So that's
where you went to school. So

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what? What happened between you
jumping up at seven or eight

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years old on the drums at
church, to you studying music at

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Lee University,

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really just playing in church
and and played all through

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middle school and high school,
marched, played in the jazz

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bands. Yes, any opportunity I
could get to play, you know,

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travel play. Yeah, there were
several college groups around

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Cleveland that would, that would
do weekend tours, and I'd go out

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with them sometimes or or a
summer long tour, you know. So,

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you know, just any opportunity I
had to play, I was trying to

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find those opportunities.

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I like, I because I've listened
to a couple other interviews you

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did, and I was always impressed
with you, you know, you're the

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you read, you play styles, and
you did the big band, and you

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did classical and marching. And
I think that's important. It's

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really cool. You know,

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I've enjoyed it. I, you know, I
got him chip Hancock in in

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Chattanooga taught me to read at
very young age. You know, I was

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probably eight or nine when I
started taking drum lessons, and

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he's still teaching in
Chattanooga, great guy and so

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and then reading, reading in
church. I was reading some of

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the orchestra pieces, you know,
that were actually coming out of

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Nashville, and some of the
choral music that was coming out

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of Nashville that was all legit
charts. You know, there, there

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weren't, we didn't know what the
number system was back then. So

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all those were legit charts. And
I, I had to figure out how to,

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how to read all those things,
yeah, what

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are all these this? What's all
this spilled coffee? Exactly,

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right, exactly coffee grounds
and like. So who were your guys?

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Who were you guys? I Recaro,

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yeah, I was big, big Carl fan, a
Carlos Vega, you know,

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untouchable. Both those

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guys. What a shame, yeah, way
too soon. Way too soon.

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Way too soon, both of them,
yeah.

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But then, you know, I, I loved
all those la guys, you know, the

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New York guys, Gad and all those
guys, but I was enamored with

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the Nashville scene from, from,
you know, one of my earlier

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probably my next drum teacher
after chip Hancock was guy named

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Mike Childers, who's local guy.
He played with Carrie Underwood

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and public town. And, you know,
I think he manages Scotty

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McCarthy now, oh, he got into
management. Great, great

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drummer. And, yeah, it doesn't
his brother Mark. Mark is still

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carries. MD, so Mike was your
teacher. That's great, yeah. So

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he was teaching me a school, and
turned me on to mark Hammond,

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and said, Hey, find anything you
can this guy has played on. And

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so, man, I just, I devoured
everything he he played on.

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And Mark and John Hammond, yeah,
and they're local, and they're

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busy, yeah, never run into them.
Yeah, I we got to get them on

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the show. We got to get

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them. Oh, man, yeah, you got to.
I mean, if you can get it would

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be listen both of them. I would
listen to the whole thing

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multiple times if you got both
those guys. So they're heroes.

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They're absolute heroes. And
through Mark, I was exposed to

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John. And through John, I was
exposed to Scott Williamson,

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Brewster, you know, eventually
need him all the all the greats

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around here, Tony Mora, all
those guys. So, yeah. So I

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started trying to find
everything I could find that

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Mark played on and John. On as
well. So in Cleveland, there was

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a, there's a studio, when I was
growing up, and they would, they

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would do some, some of the
choral print stuff that was

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local to Cleveland. And they
would hire Nashville musicians

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to come down. And rather than
pay the drummer to bring a kit

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down, they would rent my drums,
which, God love them. They were,

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they were old Ludwig rocker, you
know, birch Not, not a

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great kid, but hey, you're
pretty savvy. Renting your kid

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out as a young man, I

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say rent. I don't think they
ever paid me anything,

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but at least I went and set them
up for free too. So, yeah, no,

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but, but John came. John would
come down and do do sessions in

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Cleveland, and my parents,
knowing that this is kind of

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what I wanted to do with my
life. Would let me skip school

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and go hang the session, which
was really cool. So I met John

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that way, met several of the
other Nashville musicians that

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way, and met Scott Williamson
that way. So that was a, you

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know, they were both very
influential in telling me, Hey,

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if you want to move to
Nashville, you should do it.

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Yeah? You should try it. So

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encouraging, yeah, I like that,
because the flip side of that is

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a lot of people saying, Hey,
man, don't right, you know? I

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mean, a common form of advice
now is, don't do it, unless you

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can't picture your life without
your music. Sure, you know what

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I mean, because it's just such a
hard road.

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Yeah, when you met with Scott
Williamson, because we've, we've

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had him on before, yeah, and
he's, yeah, I just listed his

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episode. Dare I say, friend of
ours? Yes, absolutely. He's,

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he's one of those people that
like you're being funny, but Are

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you being serious, right? Right?
He has any kind of do that to

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you.

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Sardonic wit, though. Oh, yeah.
Sardonic, good, good. Word,

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right, yes.

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Insult, right, yeah. Like he's
talking about the first time

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meeting him real quick, if you
have,

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okay, well, this, it's, it's,
it's funny. Listening to his

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episode, he was talking about
some of the production stuff he

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had done. My mom and dad both
worked at the local church

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bookstore there in Cleveland.
And so I would after school, I'd

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always go over to, you know,
wait on my mom to get done with

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work or whatever. So I was
looking around one day, and I

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found this new artist, you know,
brand new artist, four girls

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called point of grace, yeah,
yeah. And I was like, Oh, that's

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cool. They're, you know, girl
group for him was big then, I

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don't know you remember those
guys for him was big then. So it

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was, like, a, okay, maybe a
female for him then. So I bought

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the, bought the CD, and put it
in my car and just it was a

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Wednesday night because I was
late to church, because I

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listened to the whole record
twice, sitting in my car, just

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blown away. And Scott had
produced that record and played

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on it, yeah, and I was like, Who
is this guy? This crazy, just,

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you know, really, really great
stuff. Anyway, a week later, he

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came and did a session in
Cleveland, and so I met him, and

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he was, he was very funny, very,
very dry, you know, immediately,

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immediately caught that, but
he's the guy that actually I was

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a weckle Freak. Little splashes.
Yeah, of course, still got

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little splashes. Come on. But
you know, so somebody had said

437
00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:20,540
that I was really into weckle.
And he said, Hey, if you're, if

438
00:23:20,540 --> 00:23:23,960
you're into weckle, have you
checked out? Vinnie, yeah. And I

439
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,580
was like, Well, yeah, I've heard
of any. He said, check out,

440
00:23:28,580 --> 00:23:34,340
Vinnie. And just completely
opened my eyes, yeah, Vinnie,

441
00:23:34,340 --> 00:23:35,660
Paul for some Well, yeah,

442
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,420
Vinnie, call you to

443
00:23:38,420 --> 00:23:42,220
Yeah. So the night Walker record
and yeah, Joe's Garage, all the

444
00:23:42,340 --> 00:23:42,640
stuff.

445
00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:46,120
And that was right around the
time of 10 summoners tales. So

446
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:50,020
yeah, making five, four sexy,
right? Five, or was it seven?

447
00:23:50,020 --> 00:23:53,500
That was five. That was five.
Seven days is in five. Seven

448
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,940
days is

449
00:23:54,940 --> 00:23:59,140
in five. That's a big Have You
Heard you need to Google this if

450
00:23:59,140 --> 00:24:05,040
you haven't heard it, seven days
in seven, four, ooh, or seven,

451
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,920
eight. Who does it? I don't
know. It's some guy on YouTube.

452
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,480
Yeah, plays it in seven.

453
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,420
Marcus Finney does some of that
stuff, right? He'll mess with

454
00:24:12,420 --> 00:24:16,620
that. Yeah, it's a it's a fun
exercise. I feel like my playing

455
00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:19,920
over the years has just gotten
stupider and stupider. I'm just

456
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,860
heading more and more towards
Phil red,

457
00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:26,240
it's crazy. You play for field.
My brother even asked me. He

458
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,880
goes, Hey, would you ever play
in a rush tribute band? I said,

459
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:33,080
Hell no. He goes, really? I
said, No, I would. Why would I

460
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,560
want to do that? I said, Once
upon a time, I said, Can I pull

461
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:36,920
it off?

462
00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:42,100
There's some videos of that dude
that sings at the same time?

463
00:24:42,820 --> 00:24:46,300
Oh, they got the new world men,
I think is what they're Yeah,

464
00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:49,480
they dress in the orange
jumpsuit, jump shoots jumpsuit.

465
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,080
Again, that guy sings and plays.
Yeah, he's a beast, yeah. Well,

466
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,760
and pretty big rush news in the
last weeks, yeah, talk about

467
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,840
that. Annika Niles,

468
00:24:59,260 --> 00:25:01,560
she's nice. I've. Met her over
the years, couple times at

469
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,060
conventions. Percussive artist,

470
00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:06,000
I'm excited about she's gonna
crush, yeah, absolutely.

471
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:10,080
I'm afraid that, like she's
gonna cry. She's gonna play it

472
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:10,920
better than Neil,

473
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:14,700
dude, people are gonna start
having you in the cross

474
00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:22,100
explain. Okay, he was, he was a
trailblazer, yes, okay, he

475
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:25,400
wasn't really all that much of
like a technician, as we know,

476
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,540
as a weckle, or a kaleida or,
you know, Carter Beaufort and

477
00:25:29,540 --> 00:25:32,420
stuff like that, you know. But
come on, there are cats out

478
00:25:32,420 --> 00:25:35,540
there that could smoke him,
sure, and play circle. He just

479
00:25:35,540 --> 00:25:39,560
happened to be first in the mind
for the general masses, you

480
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,160
know. I think when you think of
drummers, people know,

481
00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:45,640
generally, not drummers, but
general mass audience, yes.

482
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,180
Who's gonna come to mind? Neil
Pierre, John Bonham, Phil

483
00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:52,120
Collins, Phil Collins, Chad
Smith, right?

484
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,700
Chad Smith, everywhere. He's got
a great publicist.

485
00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:57,880
God. So there you go. But I
mean, I think in that, in that

486
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:58,780
sense, he's like the

487
00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:02,492
every man's drummer.

488
00:26:02,492 --> 00:26:07,232
Yes, Neil. Neil had power. Neil
had precision. He had creativity

489
00:26:07,232 --> 00:26:11,792
too. He had creativity parts the
finesse of a Vinnie or a weckle

490
00:26:11,792 --> 00:26:14,612
or a gad. Yeah, that's that
wasn't his testimony. You know

491
00:26:14,612 --> 00:26:17,312
what? I mean, that that wasn't,
that wasn't what he was going he

492
00:26:17,312 --> 00:26:21,500
wasn't a flamboyant player. I
think Annika will bring some of

493
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:26,540
that finesse to his parts. Now,
see, Neil was the first drummer

494
00:26:26,540 --> 00:26:32,120
that I ever realized was playing
a part, a drum part. Yes, they

495
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,240
composed. He composed it, and he
tried to play the same thing

496
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,180
perfectly every night, right,
right? Where I'd never play the

497
00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:41,440
same thing twice, you know,
yeah? Like, Oh, okay. So he was

498
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,200
the first guy that I ever
realized did that.

499
00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:48,640
Yeah, just cool. So you don't
play, like, if you, if you're

500
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,700
playing with a band that you've
recorded with, you don't

501
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:53,020
duplicate the fills or anything

502
00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:55,660
like, really, no, I've only been
asked to do that one time.

503
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,480
I was filling in for Jody
Messina, and she likes those

504
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,660
parts we were rehearsing, yeah,
well, and what she said made a

505
00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:06,600
whole lot of sense, and it
wasn't offended at all. But she

506
00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:09,780
she stopped in, like the second
or third song, and she said,

507
00:27:09,780 --> 00:27:14,580
Hey, I gotta ask, could you play
the fills from the record? I

508
00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:17,640
said, Yeah, no problem. She
said, I take my vocal cues, or,

509
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:22,100
you know, I get cues from those
fills, yes. So I took the lunch

510
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:25,400
break and I I charted out every,
every fill Lonnie played on the

511
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,480
record, yes. So

512
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,420
yeah, cuz our fire buddy Elton
Charles, was out with her, yeah.

513
00:27:29,540 --> 00:27:31,460
And he's like, I gotta play
those fills the same

514
00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:35,600
every day they open for us on on
the first leg of the little

515
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,580
player. Elton, gosh, he's
fantastic,

516
00:27:37,580 --> 00:27:39,740
good little player. He really
is. I mean, there's some guys

517
00:27:39,740 --> 00:27:42,880
that you don't hear about every
day that are out there crushing

518
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,060
it.

519
00:27:43,060 --> 00:27:46,120
Yeah, he's gonna be a monster. I
mean, like, not. He's already a

520
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:49,180
monster. He's going to be
recognized as a monster in this

521
00:27:49,180 --> 00:27:49,480
town.

522
00:27:49,540 --> 00:27:53,440
Yes, getting back to Annika,
though, yeah, she's got a tough

523
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,260
job ahead of her. She does. She
can do it now.

524
00:27:56,260 --> 00:28:00,640
See, I'll be honest, I haven't
heard the hate that I've I've

525
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:02,400
seen people talking about, I'm

526
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,860
really, I'm really happy. I
don't even know her, and I'll

527
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:08,640
tell her this to her face, I am
so happy for you. Massively, oh

528
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,180
my gosh,

529
00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:10,860
massively happy. Don't you

530
00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:14,640
agree that? Mean, you know she's
if she changes up any of those

531
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,400
parts, oh, it's gonna be hell to
pay. It's gonna be

532
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,080
it's gonna be interesting to
see. It's

533
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,280
gonna be a lot of air drumming
dudes in that arena? Are we

534
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,500
getting our tickets? Jim, are we
gonna have like, a guy's night?

535
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:28,280
Are we gonna go? You got a
couple of grand? Are they that

536
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:28,820
expensive?

537
00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:30,980
Yeah, they're crazy. They

538
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:34,640
added they added dates, I guess
another 17 dates.

539
00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:37,400
We were talking like a grand for
a ticket. No, you're talking

540
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,200
sometimes like five to 10 on the
floor especially. Is that legal?

541
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,200
Well, someone's buying them and
turning around and selling them,

542
00:28:44,380 --> 00:28:48,340
right? They put out. They
specifically said, Look, get in

543
00:28:48,340 --> 00:28:51,340
line at Ticketmaster and make
sure they get them from the

544
00:28:51,340 --> 00:28:54,700
source with the prices that they
have. Because these guys are,

545
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,700
yeah, because usually, back in
the day, when I would want to,

546
00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:01,500
like, go see a show, you'd go to
the ticket master booth, yeah,

547
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,180
at Dillards, yes.

548
00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:05,520
And they print them up right
there

549
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,480
for you. Yes, yeah. Does that
still happen? No, no, no, no,

550
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:13,500
it's online. I All I remember is
that when Courtney got the

551
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:18,480
tickets for Taylor Swift, she
could buy up to six, okay, and

552
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,640
she's like, I just want to buy
three and blah, blah. I think

553
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,380
the grand total, I think it ran
us about 800 about 850 bucks for

554
00:29:24,380 --> 00:29:28,220
three tickets. Wow. And then she
goes, she let me know when she

555
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:30,920
got them, and I said, did you
get all six? No, I only bought

556
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,120
three. I'm like, oh, because
what

557
00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:36,140
you want to turn them around?
Hell, yeah,

558
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,620
dude, I could have charged like,
three grand a ticket. Dang.

559
00:29:39,620 --> 00:29:43,300
You know, consumerism, right?
Yeah, absolutely, it's the name

560
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:46,420
of the game. No, I'm incredibly
happy for her. And I feel like

561
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,800
we're used to females being in
the music industry as front

562
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,880
people, but I feel like she's
gonna move the needle a decade

563
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,080
ahead for female side people,
yeah, you know what? I mean? Oh,

564
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,500
I hadn't even thought. About
that. Think, yeah, it's great,

565
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:02,040
you know, I think

566
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,500
that's a great thing. You think
she's gonna be a side person? Do

567
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:06,060
you think they'll make her a
part of the band?

568
00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:07,920
God, who knows what the business
deal is?

569
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,000
Question, yeah, that's a good
question. I mean, either way,

570
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,540
I'm sure she's making a pretty
betting. Oh yeah, yeah, good for

571
00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:18,120
her. Because I don't think they,
I don't think they don't need

572
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:18,420
the money.

573
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,360
She's gonna be living in a
German castle

574
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:25,280
with a moat and alligators in
the moat.

575
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,640
Madamonica, you just sounded
like Arnold. He's Austrian.

576
00:30:29,540 --> 00:30:34,520
She's got to live in a German
castle. Oh, my God, she got to

577
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,700
be sitting there with her
tapestries. So,

578
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,400
you know, back to the Hammond
brothers, just because I don't

579
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,980
want to let that go, if somebody
wanted to check those guys,

580
00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:45,700
wanted to check those guys out,
what are the seminal recordings?

581
00:30:47,260 --> 00:30:50,380
Oh, gosh, they probably have
some, some holy grail.

582
00:30:50,379 --> 00:30:52,839
Yes, absolutely. Well, for for
me, one

583
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,740
of John's best recordings is the
West King album, The robe.

584
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,060
There's a song on there in
particular called, I believe

585
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:07,320
that he just kills, yeah, good
lord. And then probably my

586
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,220
favorite John Hammond track is
from a Phillips Craig and Dean

587
00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:15,480
record, and it's called Mercy
came running, and it's him and

588
00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:20,160
Jimmy Lee, slowest playing bass
and just the most unique drum

589
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:26,240
part, brilliant Drum and Bass
interaction. Yeah, so that's for

590
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,360
John. Gosh, yeah, those are a
couple of great ones. Also the

591
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,940
dogs of peace records. Have you?
Have you heard those? No, I got

592
00:31:31,940 --> 00:31:35,360
I gotta do like a deep dive dogs
a piece. It's him and Jimmy Lee

593
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,420
and Blair and Gordon Kennedy.
Wow, yeah, that's, it's a, it's

594
00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:44,020
a series. They've got two
records, one from probably 1520,

595
00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:46,960
years ago, and one from about
five

596
00:31:46,959 --> 00:31:50,019
years ago. Jimmy Lee is such an
aw shucks type guy, right? I

597
00:31:50,019 --> 00:31:52,419
gave you know, when you try to
compliment, I mean, he's just a

598
00:31:52,419 --> 00:31:56,019
world class musician, yeah, he's
like, ah shucks, I know, right?

599
00:31:56,139 --> 00:31:58,479
It's kind of like you ah shucks.

600
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,620
A lot of the greats are, right?

601
00:32:02,260 --> 00:32:03,360
You are so that way.

602
00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:07,380
Well, I mean, it's, oh, thank
you very much. It's very off

603
00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:10,380
putting to be the other way. You
know,

604
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,820
that's something I need to be.
It's not attractive. I need to

605
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,540
get off putting

606
00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:20,540
go to sugar free. He totally
sugar free jello.

607
00:32:20,540 --> 00:32:23,840
Stuff, pretty good. The guy in
our band that does the dad jokes

608
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,820
is Jack Sizemore. He's our, you
know,

609
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,860
okay, he's a dad. He's

610
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,340
he really loves the puns. The

611
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,860
puns are very we could

612
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:40,100
count on rich stick to it. Can't
beat him. I mean, he loves him.

613
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,560
Oh, he loves them.

614
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,480
Oh, I've got a, I've got an
ongoing thread with Jeff King

615
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,740
and Jacob Lowry and Carmella
Ramsey from the Reba band. Yeah,

616
00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:54,940
we, we always share dad jokes.
So it's, it's, it's a constant,

617
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:57,940
like almost daily occurrence
that somebody posts a dad joke

618
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,560
that's amazing. And same thing
with my sister. I exchange dad

619
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,000
jokes with my sister and her two
girls. What's your sister do?

620
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,400
She is a well, she was a
pharmacy technician for a long

621
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,720
time. She's actually gone into
the legal side of Big Pharma.

622
00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:18,240
Yeah, right. So I'm not exactly
sure what her job entails, but

623
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,860
it's relating to
pharmaceuticals. Yes, yeah,

624
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,840
that's good business, yeah. Oh
my gosh. You

625
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,180
mentioned Germany before I
actually knew a German sound

626
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:30,620
engineer. Yeah. Let's put a time
I knew a check one too, as well.

627
00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:33,260
Oh my God in heaven. Oh

628
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:39,200
God. So I was, you know, when we
were just about to start, we

629
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,040
were talking about, you know,
your road versus your studio

630
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,800
tan. And when you do the road
with Reba Mason, how many dates

631
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,460
a year? You guys? Do

632
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:53,020
you know the first year? 2022 I
think we did.

633
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,220
45 maybe dates,

634
00:33:57,220 --> 00:33:59,200
very manageable. Yeah, yeah. 23

635
00:34:00,940 --> 00:34:04,800
maybe that's around the same
number. She took 2024, off to to

636
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,900
tape. And then this year we did
maybe 20, yeah. And then she

637
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,960
took the back half of the year
to record happy's place and the

638
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,740
voice. So she's been on the West
Coast since June or July. Do you

639
00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:21,080
have to do the fills? No, that's
great. No, no, it's it was

640
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,340
surprisingly easy transitioning
into that band. Yeah, of course,

641
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:27,860
I did a lot of homework, but I
only had like, a week and a half

642
00:34:27,860 --> 00:34:32,240
to to learn the stuff, you know,
after we after it was confirmed

643
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:35,840
I was in the band. So, you know,
I charted everything out. And

644
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,120
it's cool to have a little iPad
up there with some carrots

645
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,280
or whatever. Yeah, nice. Yeah,
that's, that's been nice. So

646
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,000
it's always nice.

647
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,120
I do need to make the transition
I've been getting. I've been

648
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,520
watching all the sort of footage
of all these drum clinics I do,

649
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,200
and I've got the giant music
stand with the notebook and

650
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:55,060
people. But it's like, I don't
trust the iPad. I mean, sure.

651
00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:58,240
What if it dies? What if the sun
gets on it? What if it

652
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,920
right? I get it? I get it. But
what if the wind blows and blows

653
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,940
all your charts. I

654
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:05,760
got my clothes pins on there and
the Crown Royal bag. Yeah,

655
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:06,420
right.

656
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:09,900
What if a little drop coming off
of a leaf hits the sun just

657
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,600
right, and then all of a sudden
light your notebook? Oh, see?

658
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,260
Yeah, I guess you can really get
into some final destination

659
00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:20,960
stuff here, right, just in time.
But that's a thought about that.

660
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,800
What we're gonna do for
Halloween is I'm gonna put the

661
00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:29,060
original John Carpenter on.
That's five, four done, 10,

662
00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:32,300
counting, ding, Dan, Dan, yep.
It's like an update to take

663
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:39,140
five, three plus two duple. And
so I'm gonna have that on in the

664
00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:41,960
back, and then My gal is just
gonna be dressed totally normal.

665
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,900
But there's gonna be a chance.
Gonna be a chain, and when the

666
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,120
kids open the door, she's gonna
pull me off and I'm gonna have

667
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,120
one of those spirit Halloween
masks, you know, with the yak

668
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,240
hair and everything. And I'll be
like, take one. That's gonna

669
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:56,620
get old after about 10 minutes.
Yeah, I know you're gonna be

670
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:58,540
like, just, just take the damn
candy. I

671
00:35:58,540 --> 00:36:01,140
got some. I got some kids pretty
good with our ring doorbell.

672
00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:06,960
Last year, they came door. You
know, the porch light is off.

673
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,800
They came rang the doorbell. So
I, you know, I get a

674
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,040
notification on my phone, and I
activated the phone. I said, Go

675
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:21,440
away. It's amazing, great idea.
That is a fantastic over drove

676
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,460
your mic there. They're good.

677
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:27,080
So, so back to Reba. We are all
over the place. What is it like

678
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,420
working with you know, this is
really crazy, because she's a

679
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:32,240
singer, she's an actress, she's
an entertainer, entertainment

680
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:36,920
mogul. Yeah, she's had two, I
believe, two sitcoms, but I

681
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,960
mean, 70 million records
worldwide now, 100 singles. I

682
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,620
don't know how many went number
one, sure, but when you're

683
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:48,460
choosing from 100 singles to put
a show together, you know the

684
00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:52,840
rule in a, usually modern
country concert going is, leave

685
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,840
them wanting more, give them 90
minutes. Is that what you guys

686
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,920
do? 90 so you're looking at
Rick's, 24 songs. 25 songs.

687
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:03,660
Is it the same set list the
entire year?

688
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,160
Generally, we'll change things
up about every six months. Or

689
00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:13,080
that's how we that's how we, we
did it. Yeah, so, and generally,

690
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:18,120
there's a, there's a medley of
some medley, not Reba songs in

691
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:23,300
there. So she did like a gospel
little gospel medley. Of course,

692
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:26,180
she did a gospel record. So I
guess those technically, yeah,

693
00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:30,620
are her songs. Little gospel
medley in there. We had, you

694
00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:34,160
know, we, we had worked up a
couple of her number ones that

695
00:37:34,340 --> 00:37:40,600
it eventually didn't make the
make the show. Does he love you?

696
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Was one that got cut, wow, like
the week of our first show, and

697
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,980
I was, I was kind of shocked. Of
course, the vocalist who was

698
00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:50,920
singing with her got sick for
our first show. So maybe that,

699
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,240
that, you know, played a part.
But it never background singer,

700
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:58,780
yeah, it was Carmella Ramsey.
Something happened and she got,

701
00:37:58,780 --> 00:38:02,040
she got sick and missed a missed
a show, or couldn't sing, I

702
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,260
guess she she still played great
field player, but yeah, so that

703
00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:10,680
one never made it back in which
was one of her biggest hits,

704
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,920
yeah, you know, yeah, it's, it's
really interesting. You know,

705
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:17,220
seeing the set list every time
and, okay, there's a new one,

706
00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:21,800
there's a new there's a new song
that wasn't even a single that

707
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,220
she just really likes, so an
album cut that she'll throw in.

708
00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:27,020
So I love it. So it's not all
the number, yeah.

709
00:38:27,020 --> 00:38:30,620
And then Jeff King, love that
guy. What such positivity. You

710
00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:34,640
know, occasionally when I find
him in a session, he's just so

711
00:38:35,060 --> 00:38:38,240
happy to be there, absolutely
creative, encouraging, positive

712
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:40,960
energy. And that Jacob Lowery, I
don't know if we have met in the

713
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,260
flesh, but I do enjoy his side.
Man Chronicles, he has a

714
00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:47,260
podcast. Yes, it's very
dramatic. It's the side. Man

715
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,040
Chronicles,

716
00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:51,580
you should have him on your
podcast, on just kvetch about

717
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,740
making podcasts. Yes, see,

718
00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:56,320
I might know something about
that. Yeah,

719
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,360
Jim, 20 podcasts, I don't know
how you do

720
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,320
Jacob's fantastic. We actually,
we were hired at the same time

721
00:39:01,980 --> 00:39:04,860
and as a team, because you guys
worked together all the time.

722
00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:05,340
Well, we

723
00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:08,520
didn't even know the other had
been hired. I thought Mark Hill

724
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:14,160
was still, still in the band,
and he and Trey gray left to

725
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,900
stick it out with Brooks and
Dunn Yeah. So anyway, I show up

726
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:22,580
to a session. I'm waiting to
hear from management, you know,

727
00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:26,600
if I've, if I've got the gig, or
whatever. And Jacob walked in,

728
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,800
he gets set up, and we played
through the first song and and

729
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,980
he says, after the first song,
he said, Garth, anything new in

730
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:38,420
your life? I was like, Well,
funny, you should ask, but I'm

731
00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:43,120
kind of, I'm waiting to hear if
I got the Reba gig. He's like, I

732
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,920
mean, he looked like he'd seen a
ghost. He said, I am too. Are

733
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,640
you kidding me? No, oh yes. It
was like a call. No, this did

734
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,820
listen. This was for me, at
least. I don't know how exactly

735
00:39:54,820 --> 00:39:57,580
it worked with Jacob, but for
me, at least, it was a Jeff King

736
00:39:57,820 --> 00:40:01,500
recommendation, nice. And so we.
Waited, Jacob and I waited that

737
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:04,800
whole day. You know, in between
songs, do you hear anything?

738
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,640
God, you could have text nothing
at the end of the day, we both

739
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,520
got a text saying, Hey, you're
in the band. Yeah, man, but

740
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,700
yeah, Jeff. Jeff had called me
about a week before that. I was

741
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:19,200
actually on my way downtown to
sub the smoking section. Show

742
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,940
you familiar with the smoking
section? Yeah, do tell us to

743
00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:27,440
makers started it back in the
day. It's, it's a funk horn band

744
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:34,220
all the great RnB hits Aretha
Shaka, all that stuff Chicago,

745
00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:40,900
whatever. Anyway, it's a heavy
book, and I was really nervous

746
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:43,300
about playing the show that
night, because I was subbing for

747
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:47,320
John Hammons, the regular
drummer, heavy book, and I was

748
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,160
nervous, and I looked down, and
Jeff's calling me, and I sent

749
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,460
him to voicemail, and he sends
me a text. He says, answer your

750
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,600
phone. Okay, sorry, so I called
him back. He said, Hey, Reeve is

751
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,960
looking for a drummer. Would you
mind if I put your name in the

752
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,380
hat, I said, No. I mean, what's
the what's the schedule? Like,

753
00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:07,140
you know, what's it? I don't
want to be gone a whole lot. So

754
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:09,540
he told me, and it sounded
great. And I'm thinking,

755
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,020
there's, there's, there's got to
be 100 other drummers are

756
00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:17,040
looking at. And there were a
few, but I got the gig so nice.

757
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,680
Very thankful. Just just on his
recommendation.

758
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,820
So what's the first like,
practice, rehearsal with the

759
00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:23,060
mic,

760
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:25,040
yeah. How much does she rehearse
for a tour? Because you hear

761
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,800
about these, like, the pinks of
the world. They're like, we do a

762
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,860
month without the dancers, we do
a month with the dancers. I'm

763
00:41:30,860 --> 00:41:32,540
like, I'd be burnt out,

764
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:39,500
if I remember correctly. We did
a week of just the band, maybe,

765
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:42,160
maybe four or five days. And
then she came in for about three

766
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,540
days, and then we went up to
Evansville, Kentucky and did two

767
00:41:46,540 --> 00:41:49,780
days for rehearsals in the arena
where we did our first show.

768
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,340
Nice, yeah, it's great.

769
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:59,620
That's a common thing to go to
the opening place and set up and

770
00:41:59,620 --> 00:42:00,340
do a couple days.

771
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,440
You kind of did that, like one
last time we did your tour kit

772
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,100
breakdown.

773
00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:08,340
People are so mad. They want to
know what these drums are. And

774
00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:11,340
let me just tell you, folks,
it's always the same. I just

775
00:42:11,340 --> 00:42:17,160
change the finish. I go from a
black sparkle to a red sparkle

776
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,780
to a black and red sparkle to a
matte black to a piano black,

777
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,980
same sizes,

778
00:42:22,220 --> 00:42:24,560
same configurations. You still
have all those kits.

779
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,220
Yeah, you can ask me if I need
them or if I use them.

780
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:35,360
I, you know, I was No, that's
funny, maybe, yeah, Jim, you

781
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,160
know how long I've been doing
this for free, or,

782
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,120
Jim, you got it? You get a lot
of gear.

783
00:42:41,180 --> 00:42:45,220
I got the second hand
drumsticks. Love it.

784
00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:47,800
Oh, tons of crack symbols. There
you go. Yeah, you know, like

785
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,280
crack symbols. And when I go up
there to see his kid, I'm like,

786
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,760
dude, be careful. Don't cut
yourself on there. They look

787
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:55,540
like murder

788
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,760
gave them to me, right?

789
00:42:59,380 --> 00:43:02,220
I know, but you really cracked
him. I mean, you kept it going

790
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,400
well, I mean, it's tough to stop
a crack. I know. I did the whole

791
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,760
keyhole drill thing. It doesn't
work. Yeah, I tried to patch it

792
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,860
up with some gaff tape, and even
even

793
00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:13,800
shaving the symbol out, doesn't
really work. No, because it's

794
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,300
sharp, the crack is, yeah, yeah.

795
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,440
I love the fact that they have
warranties on symbols. I went to

796
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,280
forks and I bought a pisty, oh,
it's got a two year warranty.

797
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,000
I'm gone. Really, they actually
have warranties on these things.

798
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:26,420
I guess it's

799
00:43:26,420 --> 00:43:28,640
pretty crazy. I didn't know
that. I mean, you're talking to

800
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,800
a Sabian and Zildjian guys.
Yeah, yeah. You don't have a

801
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,880
whole lot of ground here.

802
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,320
Zildjian one of the oldest
companies in America, oldest

803
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,660
company in America, the oldest
company in America.

804
00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:41,620
Pretty cool now is Sabian kind
of this, like, you know, young,

805
00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:44,680
it's a young company, Young.
There were, like, the America of

806
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,040
the world, or the Sabian, the
Canada of the world, Canada of

807
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,020
the world.

808
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,320
But isn't like Sabian, kind of
like, you know, Zildjian, me

809
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,580
too, in a way, like

810
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:58,900
Zildjian, no, no. Children,
yeah, it is. It is. And they've

811
00:43:58,900 --> 00:43:59,560
got their own voice,

812
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,540
different alchemy, and yeah,
they,

813
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:06,060
it was, what the 80s they
started, yeah, because I

814
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:09,420
remember the advertisements, and
Rod morgenstein was a big yeah

815
00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:14,640
endorser for them, Harvey Mason,
I'll yeah, I was, I was a die

816
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:17,820
hard pasty guy back because of
Alex. Hey, nothing wrong with

817
00:44:17,820 --> 00:44:20,900
that. No, I say I like Sabian. I
was just messing

818
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,140
past is a good rock and roll
symbol. I mean, if you're gonna

819
00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:27,740
go classic, you go get me some
vintage Ludwig drums and some

820
00:44:27,740 --> 00:44:29,300
pasty giant beats.

821
00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:33,620
Yeah, right. I have no idea what
even those mean. I know, like

822
00:44:33,620 --> 00:44:33,860
the 3000s

823
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:37,880
Yeah, are good. They got dark
symbols now, like Steve Jordan

824
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,420
plays super

825
00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:41,560
dark signature, I have a
signature crash, 2020, inch

826
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,320
crash. Everybody's making great
stuff. I will say there's

827
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,080
probably maybe, like four or
five brand new companies that

828
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,140
are on the scene. They're not so
great. But if you stay with, you

829
00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:53,200
know, if you stay in the in the
Big Four, yeah, you know, what

830
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,520
are the big four? You know, you
got children, sabe and pasty and

831
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,920
mineral mine are because.

832
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:03,060
Yes, I interviewed one of the
guys who owns one of the newer

833
00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:06,000
companies. I'm going, Dude,
you've got some freaking cojones

834
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,120
starting a symbol company,
you're going

835
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,660
up against, like, I mean, it can
be done. I mean, in the

836
00:45:12,660 --> 00:45:14,940
automotive sector, they've,
they've shown it can be done

837
00:45:14,940 --> 00:45:19,200
going up against the big three.
I mean, for a symbol company,

838
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,100
that's, that's a man, I have

839
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:28,340
to say in in almost, excuse me,
sorry, I'm a drum nerd. I've got

840
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:32,360
a huge collection of drums and
cymbals. I love, I love to buy

841
00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:36,500
gear. And so in every city I go
to, I try to find a drum shop or

842
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:42,460
a local music store. And in nine
out of 10 drum shops that I find

843
00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:46,900
outside of Nashville, most of
the new symbols they have are

844
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:50,260
smaller companies. Interesting.
Yeah, wow, it's very

845
00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:54,760
interesting. Badges. Drum shop
in Cincinnati is fantastic shop,

846
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,700
by the way, but almost all their
symbols, I mean, they have

847
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:02,460
plenty of zilchin and feisty and
Sabian, but they have a huge

848
00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:06,660
selection of these custom made
symbols, small, small batch, you

849
00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:10,320
know, one off symbols. And those
are a lot of fun to play, yeah,

850
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:10,860
you know,

851
00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:14,700
well, so that's your thing.
Like, everyone's got a thing on

852
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:16,740
the road. Like, some people like
to go buy, you know, vintage

853
00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:20,480
clothing, or find the, try to
find the most extreme Mom and

854
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,320
Pop coffee house. But I like to
combine the coffee house with

855
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,440
the where's the drum shop thing,
and then, so do you have the

856
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,860
discipline to not buy a snare
drum? Or is it

857
00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:36,680
like it's, it's white knuckling?
Sometimes I love to buy drums

858
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,520
and cymbals. Well, I

859
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,480
saw a little video with Joe
Carroll from Treasure Island. He

860
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,760
was like, you know, Garth, show
me what you got in the case

861
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,320
there. And it looks like you had
a lot of eights. Well, he had,

862
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,600
yeah, I've got, I've got more
six and a halfs than I do

863
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,600
eights. I do have a couple
eights that make a regular

864
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,440
rotation right now.

865
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,460
Nice. I have no eights. What
would my first eight be? Are you

866
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,440
talking about? Gosh, eight inch
deep.

867
00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:03,960
Oh, snare, civilian, deep dish.
I'm thinking like, Tom, well,

868
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:10,860
I just, I have to say, I found
on on marketplace about maybe a

869
00:47:10,860 --> 00:47:16,020
year ago, an eight inch deep DW
edge. Nice, custom, custom deal.

870
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:18,540
I brought, bought it down here
in Spring Hill. Man, that thing

871
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:23,120
just is a cannon. Did you buy it
over boomers? No, I bought a

872
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,060
craviato 1012, years ago over at
boomers.

873
00:47:26,060 --> 00:47:28,940
You know what he's got? No, I
kind of like it's hard to find

874
00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:30,200
drum so long ago.

875
00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:34,460
Yeah, I remember those. I never
owned one. Vinnie loved them.

876
00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:39,380
Really secret weapon, yeah, wow.
Who was that? Any it's just,

877
00:47:39,380 --> 00:47:39,560
it's

878
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,580
still over there, and I'm it's
really crisp and yummy. And

879
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,460
what time is, what time they
close? It's like a, it's like a

880
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,800
four, it's like a piccolo ish,

881
00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:50,500
yeah, close soon. I don't think
he locks

882
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:55,600
the door. It's wood, it's wood,
but it plays like a deeper drum,

883
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,820
but it's thick, okay, which is
hard to do.

884
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,160
That's, yeah, that's, that's
impressive. I got to check that

885
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:09,360
out. Any idea who was? Was a
Bauer? Buyer, was he involved?

886
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:13,680
Buyer, I don't think so. Okay, I
have a couple of his drums too.

887
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,500
Okay, I don't have any of his
drums. James. Buyer, James.

888
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:18,600
Buyer, yeah, yeah. Remember

889
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:23,300
what like Premiere, but their
thing was, yeah, like, slightly

890
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:26,360
smaller diameter shell, right?
Almost like a timpani kind of

891
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,420
effect that was there. That was
their differentiation. Yeah,

892
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:33,260
it's like that. And, yeah, we'll
see. You know, not to slam a

893
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:34,520
drum coming. No, not at all.
Have

894
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,480
you tried the morgenstein tool,
Morgan tool, the Morgan tool.

895
00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:42,040
Hey, what is it? God bless him.
It's, it's kind of like a, it's

896
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:42,460
a, it's,

897
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:45,340
you know how you kind of put
your drum sticks together to

898
00:48:45,340 --> 00:48:48,940
tighten lug nuts and stuff. It's
basically that, okay?

899
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,640
And it's selling for a premium.
I saw it at the drum show, and

900
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,920
it's flying off the price. I
talked, I talked to the guys

901
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,860
over a 2112 percussion in
Raleigh, North Carolina, and I

902
00:48:56,860 --> 00:48:59,440
looked at the price tag, and I
was like, Are you kidding me for

903
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,980
this? And and they're like,
Dude, we can't keep them in

904
00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:04,380
stock. I'm so happy for Rod,
yeah, how cool, you know what I

905
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:09,180
mean to because to get a, to get
a piece of ancillary, you know,

906
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:13,680
auxiliary gear in the music
business, to get sticky, right?

907
00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:18,600
Like a big fat snare drum, yes,
or a drum taco, or a Mr. Muff

908
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,480
lug locks, yeah, any of that

909
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,980
stuff is difficult, very, very,
I have a Mr. Muff, yeah, it's

910
00:49:24,980 --> 00:49:27,920
cool. I just like saying it
anyways. So the

911
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,640
thing is, is that or you buy
just a, you know, a channel

912
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,600
lock, but it's not a Morgan
tool, see, channel lock can do

913
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,080
the same thing, yeah? But, but
we like rod, and we want

914
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,680
him to be successful. We do want
him to be successful? He's he's

915
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,000
retired from Berkeley, right?
Tired

916
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,520
from Berkeley, still playing.
She's only 17, right.

917
00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:48,220
Rod, what's up?

918
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,180
Buddy show, buddy left, yeah,
left handed. He's playing the

919
00:49:52,180 --> 00:49:58,000
wrong way. Are you a foodie? I'm
a fat kid, so I like you are not

920
00:49:58,420 --> 00:50:01,320
a food kid. I'm. I'm, I'm a fat
kid at

921
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,440
heart, right? So when you were
young, I mean, you turned it

922
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,460
around, you're like, well,

923
00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:09,060
well, I'm diabetic, so I've had
to, I've had to switch up my

924
00:50:09,060 --> 00:50:15,840
diet, you know, low carb thing.
But Hello, 1517, years ago,

925
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,660
something like that. So, yeah,
my son was very young. He's 21

926
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,920
Yeah. So, yeah, he's very young,
and so, you know, I went through

927
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,540
all the questions of, is it, you
know, hereditary or anyway, but,

928
00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:30,200
yeah, you know, just trying to
eat reasonably, you know, and

929
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,260
just just try not to be stupid,
and then trying to get to the

930
00:50:33,260 --> 00:50:35,060
gym, yeah, when I can, you know.

931
00:50:35,060 --> 00:50:37,640
So you're just doing the
machines and a little bit of

932
00:50:37,820 --> 00:50:40,460
cardio, yeah, yes, free weights,
you know, free ways

933
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:43,480
to go. Yeah, Rich has given me
crap because I want an E bike.

934
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:47,380
Nothing wrong with an E bike and
E bikes better no bike, right?

935
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:51,940
I've been riding my bike. Yeah?
As I've gotten older, it's the

936
00:50:51,940 --> 00:50:55,720
hills, man, like, off a duplex
here. Yeah, you, I know you

937
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,180
don't ride your you don't have a
bike. Do you even have a bike?

938
00:50:58,180 --> 00:50:58,960
No, I would like to

939
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,680
get home, you know, get the
helmet and everything. See,

940
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:04,980
you got to worry about these.

941
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,300
We make, we make our money doing
this. Yes, yeah, I know too many

942
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:14,700
guys who I went mountain bunk
bike, mountain bunking. Nope,

943
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:19,980
nope, no story. Do that. I went
mountain biking a couple times

944
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:23,660
with Gary Lund. And, you know,
Gary great, great bass player

945
00:51:23,660 --> 00:51:27,980
here in town, went mountain
biking a couple times with him.

946
00:51:27,980 --> 00:51:32,300
And, man, it's so much fun. I
loved it. And the whole time I

947
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:35,780
was working out, yeah, just
because you're gonna go over the

948
00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:37,460
handlebars at some point that

949
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,340
Joe Bergamini, you know, one of
the editors at Hudson music. You

950
00:51:42,340 --> 00:51:45,760
know, he helped with the Stuart
Copeland book, yeah, the GAD

951
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,740
book, and he had a spill. Man,

952
00:51:47,740 --> 00:51:51,940
it was messed up his hands,
yeah, but, I mean, he

953
00:51:51,939 --> 00:51:54,399
just can't, he rehabbed. He's
back. I can't risk it's the

954
00:51:54,399 --> 00:51:56,979
same, same reason I sold my
motorcycle. I loved riding my

955
00:51:56,979 --> 00:52:00,359
motorcycle, but especially with
cell phones these days. Man,

956
00:52:00,359 --> 00:52:01,079
it's just not

957
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,500
worth it. No one, no one is
paying attention. No at all.

958
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:05,040
But, I mean, you

959
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,040
could make the same case for,
like, lifting weights, or, you

960
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,920
know, even running, you could
fall down. Sure, sure, you know.

961
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:11,340
But I

962
00:52:11,339 --> 00:52:13,259
think you know, there's a

963
00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:16,860
tempting fate with some of those
things, maybe.

964
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,500
So I will say that, you know,
you want a bike, possibly, yeah,

965
00:52:21,860 --> 00:52:25,340
mule town bikes is the place to
go. Oh, there you go. Mule town

966
00:52:25,340 --> 00:52:25,580
bikes.com.

967
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,040
You have a little deal worked
out with these guys. Yeah, I

968
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,660
forgot to tell you little under
table.

969
00:52:30,740 --> 00:52:32,780
So basically, 10% off now,

970
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,420
yeah, I'm getting a Venton e
bike. So my philosophy is that

971
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:42,340
look, instead of five miles a
day and knocking the crap out of

972
00:52:42,340 --> 00:52:45,880
me. I'll do 10 and, like, it'll
be fun and something to look

973
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,160
forward to. Well, as long as you
get the heart up, you know,

974
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:49,420
right, you're basically

975
00:52:49,420 --> 00:52:51,880
getting everything going. And,
yeah, it's just because, I mean,

976
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,260
dude, I like duplex out here
with the hills. Oh yeah, oh man,

977
00:52:56,260 --> 00:52:59,260
they freaking run you ragged.
They run Sydney ragged. She's

978
00:52:59,260 --> 00:53:01,620
like, you know, 100 pounds less
than I am, 150

979
00:53:06,060 --> 00:53:09,960
thanks. So, no, no, I see 100
seems like a lot. I mean,

980
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,780
that's, that's crazy. So you
were talking about, you know,

981
00:53:12,780 --> 00:53:16,020
your diet, like, Do you have any
things that just either you got

982
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:18,600
to splurge, like, oh, I mean, I
got to have my BLTs with

983
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,040
avocado. Or, you know, like, I'm
a coffee house culture guy,

984
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,520
like, I will choose a coffee
house based on the quality of

985
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,640
the food. There you go, you
know, okay, no, I don't, I

986
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,860
don't. I don't have any real
splurge items. There's so much

987
00:53:33,860 --> 00:53:36,440
now, especially with the Keto
movement and all that kind of

988
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,680
thing that you can, you can get
pretty much whatever you're

989
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,060
craving. A little lower carb,
yeah, way,

990
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,740
yeah, you get keto pitas.

991
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:50,020
You know, there's even keto cake
mixes, because I love, I love

992
00:53:50,020 --> 00:53:51,040
sweets, sweet guy,

993
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,120
so, yeah, mine, mine is the, is
the Eminem, the peanuts,

994
00:53:55,180 --> 00:53:56,200
right, right?

995
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,540
That was my downfall in the in
our dressing rooms, because

996
00:54:00,540 --> 00:54:03,840
evidently, somebody put on the
rider. Hey, peanuts every day.

997
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:07,560
Oh, come on. I know it's really
bad. Don't at least put them in

998
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,680
the little baggies so I can at
least not grab the bag. But when

999
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,440
you got a bowl of them sitting
there, just, just one,

1000
00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:15,960
or at least toble The road,

1001
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:23,960
you know, another great thing is
the biscotti, the Scott brand,

1002
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,760
the cookies, yes, vanilla.

1003
00:54:25,940 --> 00:54:28,940
They'll give you those on the
plate. I was flying in from

1004
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:30,620
Seattle, and I was like,

1005
00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:34,040
they make that, they make that
in a spread, oh, like a

1006
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:37,520
butterfly, yeah, yeah. Mercurio
talked me about, we

1007
00:54:37,580 --> 00:54:38,960
definitely took a turn here. We
did

1008
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,680
that's all right, that's a
pleasant, it's a pleasant turn.

1009
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:42,280
But yeah,

1010
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,580
so getting back to, like, yeah,
things that you like to eat,

1011
00:54:45,580 --> 00:54:45,880
okay,

1012
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,560
oh, man, where's gonna go with
this? Oh, you ever try? Like,

1013
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,100
just for a little supplemental
shakes, the core powers, no gas

1014
00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:57,100
stations, no. Actually, pretty
good, okay, like, the kind of

1015
00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:59,920
because I'm a sweet guy too,
especially chocolate. Yep, it's.

1016
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,520
Totally just kind of nips it in
the bud. High protein, low

1017
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,400
sugar, high protein, low sugar.
Yep, fantastic stuff.

1018
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,840
Okay. Well, everybody that knows
me, it knows me. That

1019
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,660
core power, there you go. That's
what I was about to say. He

1020
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:13,980
needed to give away. Just

1021
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:17,220
keep stewing the Mr. Hey, it's
got to wink it.

1022
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,080
You got to do that. We got to
put the littleness. I need that

1023
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,820
sound effect. Well,

1024
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,760
while we're on the subject, what
is your favorite

1025
00:55:27,020 --> 00:55:29,420
food, your favorite your
favorite

1026
00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:33,560
food, if I could, if I could
choose anything to wanted to

1027
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:40,520
eat, regard, irregardless,
regardless, regardless of my

1028
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:45,040
Yeah, I'd have to go Italian.
Mom used to fix an amazing

1029
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,500
lasagna when I was I love, yeah,
yeah, just any kind of pasta.

1030
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:51,880
And, yeah, sauce.

1031
00:55:51,940 --> 00:55:55,780
Now, do you have, like, little
alcohol every once in a while?

1032
00:55:55,780 --> 00:55:56,320
Or no, you

1033
00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:59,079
know, not really. I mean, not
good man,

1034
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,120
yeah, if you have to, what's the
what's the go to? Oh, like, at

1035
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:04,080
the holidays, it's like,

1036
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:08,820
I tried a beer. I'm not, not
much of a beer drinker, so

1037
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:12,060
whisking would probably be Wine.
Wine.

1038
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,340
Yeah, nice of red wine. Yeah,
good for your heart, yeah,

1039
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,360
there's some medicinal benefits,
antioxidants, totally. There you

1040
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,420
go. That's what they say.
Depends on who's doing the

1041
00:56:20,420 --> 00:56:23,120
study, right? That's the thing
about studies, right? Who's

1042
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,400
funding the study? Because they
are going to sway it in their

1043
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,000
direction.

1044
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,480
You know, what's coming up?
What's coming up? Evan Williams,

1045
00:56:29,540 --> 00:56:30,320
season,

1046
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:33,019
season, yeah, that's a that
could be a five pound spread.

1047
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:35,479
You have to bike 20 miles a day.

1048
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:39,920
Evan Evan Williams. Evan
Williams, eggnog. Okay, spiked

1049
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:40,360
eggnog.

1050
00:56:42,460 --> 00:56:45,220
He's got all kinds of this show.

1051
00:56:45,220 --> 00:56:48,520
So here's the deal. Let's get
back to this a little bit,

1052
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:49,480
because I want to is

1053
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,520
one of my favorites. Okay, there

1054
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:58,000
you go. So anyways, it's spiked,
and it's so incredible. It's

1055
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,400
like drinking pancake batter.
Oh, but it's incredible. It's

1056
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,040
just amazing. And the guys in my
band have been polishing off as

1057
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:07,740
well. Yeah, that's how I found
out about it. Oh, my God. They

1058
00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:11,760
love this thing. I introduced
them to to Kentucky coffee. What

1059
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,540
is that? I told you to bring it
today. It's a brand. It's with

1060
00:57:15,540 --> 00:57:18,360
coffee whiskey. Oh, I thought
you were winking at me, like,

1061
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,580
let's put some whiskey in our
coffee today. You know what? I

1062
00:57:22,580 --> 00:57:23,540
mean? We could do that.

1063
00:57:23,540 --> 00:57:27,440
Yeah, they kind of infused that
for you with Kentucky coffee.

1064
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,600
That would be a way to wake up
and go to sleep the same time.

1065
00:57:30,860 --> 00:57:33,680
I don't know what to do. No,
okay, the final, final eggnog

1066
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,220
comment my son and I for the
past, yeah, 12 years, we have a

1067
00:57:37,220 --> 00:57:41,440
celebration every year, and I
mark it on our calendar first

1068
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,340
nog celebration, the first
purchase of nog, and we'll have

1069
00:57:45,340 --> 00:57:48,280
our we're we'll toast and have,
what is it like mid December?

1070
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:51,760
No, it actually comes out mid
October, usually. So we've

1071
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,040
already had, really, we've
already had ours this

1072
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,160
year. Really, is it made or do
you actually first Evan

1073
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:57,880
Williams, eggnog?

1074
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,380
No, no. It's, it's, it's
Southern Comfort eggnog, but you

1075
00:58:01,380 --> 00:58:04,380
buy it at Walmart. There's no no
alcohol in it. And I've tried

1076
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:07,260
making eggnog, and I'm not good
at, oh, that's a heavy thing.

1077
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,940
Anyway, sorry. No,

1078
00:58:08,940 --> 00:58:12,540
no, my thing is, I want you to
shine a little light on your

1079
00:58:12,540 --> 00:58:15,420
wife and tell us about next
level entertainment. Yeah.

1080
00:58:15,660 --> 00:58:19,260
Well, my wife and I moved here
98 as you, as you said, 27 years

1081
00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:23,060
ago, she got hired in a an
entertainment, corporate

1082
00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:27,200
entertainment band. She was,
she's a singer, and so she got

1083
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,740
hired. I moved here with no job.
We we were living, living in

1084
00:58:30,740 --> 00:58:33,560
Phoenix. We left college and
moved to Phoenix. Worked at a

1085
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,380
church out there for about a
year and a half. I was on the

1086
00:58:36,380 --> 00:58:40,240
production team, and they had a
studio and dry heat, oh gosh,

1087
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,800
like a blowtorch. It's
unbelievable, exactly. Yeah. So

1088
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,560
anyway, she got called to join
this corporate entertainment

1089
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,200
band. And we were, we'd always
wanted to move to Nashville. You

1090
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,320
know, that's like I told you,
this is where I always wanted to

1091
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:58,180
be. And so she got hired. I
moved here with no job. So I was

1092
00:58:58,180 --> 00:59:02,220
actually, I would go out with
this band and run sound I'd do

1093
00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:05,100
front of house for them on the
weekends. Wow. So we were

1094
00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:07,620
traveling together, you know,
went around the world together,

1095
00:59:08,460 --> 00:59:13,380
and we did that for 18 years,
wow, in that band. And then when

1096
00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:17,340
that ended, we started next
level entertainment slash

1097
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,900
productions. And we do kind of
the same thing. We do just a lot

1098
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:24,380
less of them we do. We do a
handful a year of these

1099
00:59:24,380 --> 00:59:25,040
corporate that's

1100
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,380
a lot of work dealing with the
corporate client. They could be

1101
00:59:27,380 --> 00:59:28,220
a handful.

1102
00:59:28,220 --> 00:59:33,080
And these people are wonderful,
great. They, I mean, it's, it's

1103
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,820
like, no stress, kind of like a
family. We've known them for so

1104
00:59:37,820 --> 00:59:40,900
long. It's just, it's a, it's a
fantastic arrangement we have,

1105
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:41,860
so that's been great.

1106
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,620
What's so you're saying you have
a relationship with, like, event

1107
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:46,480
planners in Nashville or No, no,

1108
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,920
it's actually, it's actually a
specific company that we have

1109
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:56,020
been going in for. They're West
Coast based. And, yeah, we just

1110
00:59:56,020 --> 00:59:59,560
got back yesterday from Seattle
from an event. So did Vegas and

1111
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:04,980
Seattle. One, yeah, just a
fantastic people, easy and so,

1112
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:07,920
you know, we, we're looking at
maybe spreading out in some

1113
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,240
other venues. But, man, we've
got, we've got such a good thing

1114
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,140
going with these folks.

1115
01:00:13,140 --> 01:00:16,020
So is it the thing where you're
doing celebration at the end of

1116
01:00:16,020 --> 01:00:17,700
the night you're doing YMCA,

1117
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:23,600
we usually open up each of their
events, like on a Friday and

1118
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,920
Saturday, we'll do a 30 minute
set. We used to do only covers,

1119
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,280
and then they asked us not to do
covers, and so we wrote a bunch

1120
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,800
of original tunes and do that
kind of stuff.

1121
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,240
I've never heard a party planner
say, do originals, yeah.

1122
01:00:39,260 --> 01:00:42,940
Well, we were shocked too. It
wasn't them. It was their,

1123
01:00:43,780 --> 01:00:47,200
without getting deep into the
weeds. Here it was their, their

1124
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,760
attorney who was a little
scared, because they have their

1125
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,240
own again, not getting in the
weeds. They have their own

1126
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,540
social media platform, like a
private social media platform.

1127
01:00:58,540 --> 01:01:02,940
Oh, I see. And their attorney
was afraid that the licensing

1128
01:01:02,940 --> 01:01:07,980
that normally covers, cover
bands, yes, wouldn't cover that.

1129
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:12,600
Oh, interesting, private entity.
And so they were like, you know,

1130
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,200
we don't want to take any
chances. Would you be willing to

1131
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:22,640
write some music? And we're
like, yeah. So, man, a couple

1132
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,480
good friends of mine, John
Newell and Marty lemaine, great

1133
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,140
songwriters and producers on
their in their own right here in

1134
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:35,780
town, helped us write 10
original dance pop songs, nice,

1135
01:01:35,780 --> 01:01:38,840
and we performed them. You know,
for this corporation, it's a

1136
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,800
four, it's a it's four front
people, right? Three front

1137
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,620
people and a four piece band.
Gotcha, yeah? And then we'll do

1138
01:01:44,620 --> 01:01:47,440
a worship service on Sunday
morning for this, for this

1139
01:01:47,860 --> 01:01:48,460
event,

1140
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,700
yeah? Cuz there is a company
called West Coast music on the

1141
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:54,400
west coast that basically
assembles, you know, all these,

1142
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,640
like, famed side men from, like,
big bands. And they'll put them

1143
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,740
together and be like, Hey,
you're gonna go play clooney's

1144
01:01:59,740 --> 01:02:03,780
place tonight in Malibu, you
know? And it's, yeah, it's good,

1145
01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:06,180
yeah, 800,000 bucks, yeah,
right. You know, you're gonna

1146
01:02:06,180 --> 01:02:08,220
eat some nice, gigantic prawns.

1147
01:02:08,279 --> 01:02:11,759
Exactly, exactly you get a lot
of like, tribute acts, maybe,

1148
01:02:11,819 --> 01:02:15,419
because, are you, are you kind
of sourcing the acts for? No,

1149
01:02:15,419 --> 01:02:16,979
this is, this is the same man.

1150
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,020
It's our band, Yeah, same band
that goes to these events,

1151
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,380
I was gonna say I know a tribute
band that like plays for

1152
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:25,340
peanuts. Oh yeah.

1153
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,500
Okay, we've got several here in
town. I've sub for almost all of

1154
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:31,220
them. So, yeah,

1155
01:02:31,580 --> 01:02:34,880
I know of one in particular.
Okay, what's that? What we'll

1156
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:35,660
talk off. Okay,

1157
01:02:35,660 --> 01:02:38,960
great. Sounds good. So many
inside little wink winks.

1158
01:02:39,020 --> 01:02:39,500
Where'd the

1159
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:42,040
wink go? There's no wig for
that. That's okay.

1160
01:02:42,820 --> 01:02:46,480
So hey, Garth, have you been
doing any do you like teaching

1161
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:47,500
at all? Like, have you taught

1162
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:50,980
anything? You know, I taught
when I was in college, yeah, and

1163
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:57,700
it, I enjoyed it, but it didn't
really resonate with me. I

1164
01:02:57,700 --> 01:03:02,820
haven't. I haven't taught in 25
years. Wow, taught a little bit

1165
01:03:02,820 --> 01:03:05,100
in Phoenix. I had a couple
students out in Phoenix,

1166
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,120
but, yeah, since I moved to
Nashville, I haven't really,

1167
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:09,480
yeah,

1168
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:11,940
you really enjoy teaching.

1169
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:15,540
It's been a calling, you know,
and I've been doing so many

1170
01:03:15,540 --> 01:03:20,540
recently. I just did well. I did
the Guitar Center in Brentwood.

1171
01:03:20,540 --> 01:03:25,040
I did the Music Lab in Brentwood
last night. I did a college two

1172
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,860
weeks ago. Don't ask me what it
was. And then Friday, I'm going

1173
01:03:27,860 --> 01:03:33,680
to Trevecca Nazarene, because my
buddy Larry aberman. So it's fun

1174
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,980
because you get to address the
audience at hand. Sometimes it's

1175
01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:39,440
like a mixed group, where they
want to talk about the music

1176
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,340
business, and it's a lot of
based on Q and A. Sometimes they

1177
01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:45,280
want more traditional drum
clinic. Sometimes they want a

1178
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,500
master class where it's more
intimate and make sure that

1179
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:50,080
everybody gets up. So I've got
all these different models, but

1180
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,740
what's fun about it is I just
try to make it like a one man

1181
01:03:53,740 --> 01:03:58,480
show. So there is there's
comedic elements. Everybody

1182
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,200
leaves with handouts, there's
interaction, there's

1183
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,140
performance, there's education.
So I just try to take the lead

1184
01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:06,900
from the great clinicians who
say, you know a Carmine aposio.

1185
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:10,920
He said, Hey kid, make sure that
you teach them something, that

1186
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,620
you entertain them, and most
importantly, you make them

1187
01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:16,980
laugh. And if you do those three
things, the hour flies by. It

1188
01:04:16,980 --> 01:04:18,840
feels like five minutes

1189
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,240
exactly. So fun. My least
favorite clinics I've been to

1190
01:04:23,540 --> 01:04:27,860
were clinics where the guy would
just play the whole time, yeah.

1191
01:04:27,860 --> 01:04:31,520
I'm like, okay, that's really
cool. But can you show me how to

1192
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,100
get a little closer to what
you're doing?

1193
01:04:34,220 --> 01:04:36,560
Yeah? And I went to the other
direction where it's like, I

1194
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,480
don't do solos at all, and I
just play songs, and I talk

1195
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:45,100
about the skill set that like,
what would make somebody, you

1196
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:49,240
know, get in line behind a Garth
justice? Well, great gear,

1197
01:04:49,420 --> 01:04:54,880
understanding of the history of
music, rudiments, reading,

1198
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:59,920
understanding styles, balance
between the limbs, tune.

1199
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,560
Interesting, musical mindset,
all that stuff absolutely that

1200
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,960
we really have to address. Yep,
you know absolutely.

1201
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,320
But you know when you're at
Tribeca, yeah, make sure to look

1202
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:11,160
up at the lights.

1203
01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:16,560
Oh, boy, we did those. Oh cool.
Oh, really at the host, the

1204
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,920
whole university campus, no way
back in 2017 How come you

1205
01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:22,640
haven't retired from that? That
sounds like a big job, man. Job,

1206
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,020
man. We'll talk about that
offline. I mean, so the whole

1207
01:05:27,020 --> 01:05:31,100
campus is LED lighting. Yes,
wow. Now my only complaint about

1208
01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:35,540
LED lighting is, I hope it gets
softer, because it's so intense.

1209
01:05:35,780 --> 01:05:38,240
That's the color temperature
he's talking about. Yeah,

1210
01:05:38,420 --> 01:05:42,040
maybe the intensity, sure,
super. I don't like the bluish.

1211
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,520
That's color temperature, yes,
6000 what they call 6000 Kelvin.

1212
01:05:45,820 --> 01:05:49,240
I like more of a sunlight kind
of vibe. This is

1213
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:49,780
3300

1214
01:05:50,620 --> 01:05:53,380
let's go with that. But they are
forcing us to do it. And I think

1215
01:05:53,380 --> 01:05:55,900
Jim sees an opportunity there,
because that opportunity has

1216
01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:59,200
come and gone, yeah? But I mean
that, I mean it's very hard to

1217
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,760
find traditional Edison light
bulbs? Yeah, no, it's getting

1218
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:03,540
harder. You can get

1219
01:06:03,540 --> 01:06:07,020
the Edison bulbs that have the
LED filaments in them. Ooh, they

1220
01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:07,980
still look like Edison

1221
01:06:07,980 --> 01:06:10,740
bulbs. Nice. Yeah, yeah, I've
seen those. This Edison guy,

1222
01:06:10,740 --> 01:06:17,700
man, can you imagine our world
without that person? He came

1223
01:06:17,700 --> 01:06:19,740
along and changed the world,

1224
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,920
right? Could you imagine if he
didn't screw Tesla?

1225
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:28,100
I was about to say, some would
say Tesla was the yes, yeah,

1226
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:31,340
founder, but Edison's got his
name on all the

1227
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:32,540
Nicola Tesla.

1228
01:06:32,540 --> 01:06:36,680
I got into Tesla five years ago.
And the car, the actual man, oh,

1229
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,540
sorry, I know some saying, but
it led me to the car, yeah, and,

1230
01:06:40,540 --> 01:06:42,880
and the guy said, Hey, do you
want, do you want it to drive

1231
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,900
itself? And I was like,
Absolutely not. Absolutely not,

1232
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:47,380
man, you've

1233
01:06:47,439 --> 01:06:48,939
never been in a car driven
itself.

1234
01:06:48,939 --> 01:06:52,299
No, really. Well, here's what
I'll say. I had my first, like,

1235
01:06:53,259 --> 01:06:57,579
decent run in a Tesla. I took a
trip down to Huntsville with a

1236
01:06:57,579 --> 01:07:00,719
buddy of mine, and he's, you
know, he's got the self driving

1237
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:04,259
feature on we're on the
interstate, and the car will

1238
01:07:04,259 --> 01:07:07,379
fuss at him if he looks away for
too long, like he'd look over

1239
01:07:07,379 --> 01:07:10,079
and talk, talk to me, and it
would say, eyes forward or

1240
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:12,959
something, you know, keep your
eyes on the road. And he said,

1241
01:07:12,959 --> 01:07:16,679
yeah, it gets on me all the
time. He said, if, if it gives

1242
01:07:16,679 --> 01:07:19,799
you too many warnings, it will
shut off the auto drive feature,

1243
01:07:19,979 --> 01:07:22,399
wow. It will like, ground you
for

1244
01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:25,280
autos driving, but it still
wants you to be present. Yes,

1245
01:07:25,340 --> 01:07:25,460
you

1246
01:07:25,460 --> 01:07:27,020
can't be like, you can't be
drinking an

1247
01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:30,320
app. Yeah, you can't, dude,
people's got a camera on you,

1248
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:31,520
all times, is what he says.

1249
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,880
Interesting, yeah, yeah, which
means that the government's got

1250
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,260
a camera, exactly, right?

1251
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:42,880
Oh, my God, man. I mean, wait,
this girl, the man listening. I

1252
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:47,500
love that you are just, you just
surrendered the process Exactly.

1253
01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:50,920
It's really, really good. That
makes it great. Hey, so, so you

1254
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,620
know you're, you're gonna be out
with Reba, yeah, probably in

1255
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:58,060
2026, that'll be your fifth
year. Yeah, very nice, amazing

1256
01:07:58,060 --> 01:08:01,980
body of work. You're busy doing
sessions on Music Row. You got

1257
01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:05,340
your incredible home studio,
super active, amazing body of

1258
01:08:05,340 --> 01:08:10,140
work. How can people find you
that says here at Garth justice,

1259
01:08:10,140 --> 01:08:11,340
is that your Instagram? Yeah,

1260
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:15,120
Instagram, Facebook, email is my
name@mac.com

1261
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,420
I love it. I mean, she's got to
be so cool to work with. She

1262
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:21,800
looks like such a nice person.

1263
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,340
Yes, she is. She loves to have
fun. She'll, you know, she'll,

1264
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,980
she'll ham it up with us and cut
up.

1265
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,520
Maybe that's why she's gotten so
far in life. People want to be

1266
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,320
around people they know and like
and trust

1267
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:37,220
absolutely well. And it's and we
all know folks who are real good

1268
01:08:37,220 --> 01:08:41,740
at doing that in a fake way. And
there's nothing fake about it.

1269
01:08:41,740 --> 01:08:45,940
With, with Reba. She's, she's
the person you, you would hope

1270
01:08:45,940 --> 01:08:46,540
she would be. Are you

1271
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,520
playing around here anytime
soon?

1272
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:53,740
Yeah, actually, I'm. I'm subbing
with, well, it's not around

1273
01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:57,100
here, sorry. Subbing with the
eagle maniacs tomorrow night up

1274
01:08:57,100 --> 01:09:00,220
in Bowling Green, except for
Lonnie. Yeah. Lonnie got called

1275
01:09:00,220 --> 01:09:02,820
to do something, and had to bail
the last minute. So I'm subbing

1276
01:09:02,820 --> 01:09:05,520
for them. And then the day after
Thanksgiving, down here in

1277
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,640
Spring Hill, at the mule house,
I'll be subbing with the eagle

1278
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:09,120
maniacs.

1279
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:14,100
So mule house, Columbia, yeah.
Columbia, yeah.

1280
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:18,900
A day after Thanksgiving, that
would be the 25th I think.

1281
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,860
Hold on, I could be wrong. You
can't get anything past you. I

1282
01:09:21,860 --> 01:09:24,320
could be wrong. Is it always,
it's always, like the fourth

1283
01:09:24,380 --> 01:09:27,680
Thursday of the year. So, so

1284
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:32,420
for any musician in in parting,
any musician that comes to do

1285
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:38,900
the thing in Nashville, what's a
couple of, just quick 20? Hey

1286
01:09:38,900 --> 01:09:41,440
kid, yeah, do this. Don't do
that.

1287
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:44,320
Find the people who are doing
what you want to do, and hang

1288
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:48,640
out with them. Fantastic. Go
hang out on sessions. Do it the

1289
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,720
right way. Don't, don't, don't
bring your drumsticks. And, you

1290
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,260
know, expect to, you know, play
on the last. Hey, you don't want

1291
01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:58,900
to play on the last. No, that's
not gonna happen. Just be cool.

1292
01:09:58,900 --> 01:10:01,440
Be a fly on the wall and. Take
everything in, drink everything

1293
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:03,600
in. That's what I tried. The
Hammond brothers do that for

1294
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,360
you. The Hammond brothers did
that for me. Scott did that for

1295
01:10:06,420 --> 01:10:11,220
me. Brewster, yeah, those guys
couldn't have been more more

1296
01:10:11,220 --> 01:10:14,640
generous to me when I first
moved to town. And then, you

1297
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,000
know, eventually you start
meeting people through that. And

1298
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,520
you know, when you're cool,
other people are cool. Somebody

1299
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,280
will remember you. Somebody's
needing a drummer. You know, I

1300
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,500
met this guy at the session the
other day. I wonder if he'd be

1301
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:30,200
good for that. And don't be in a
rush, exactly. And you get

1302
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,800
called for an audition, and it
takes time, and you you don't

1303
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:38,180
build relationships to get work.
You build relationships to gain

1304
01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:40,600
friends, and through friends,
you get work. That's how it's

1305
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:41,140
worked for me.

1306
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,280
Great advice. I like this. This
is a feature, like, kind of a

1307
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,220
new thing you just stumbled upon
just now, tidbits, well, you

1308
01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:50,440
know, tidbits and good advice.
Yeah, would you call me

1309
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:53,800
No, but I love, I love the

1310
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,480
but I have a I have more to say.
Okay, go home. Sorry, Jim,

1311
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:02,280
that's right. What if we call it
good advice, bad advice. Like,

1312
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,560
everything that you just said
all of a sudden I'm like, like,

1313
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,660
so while you're there, should,
like, every time the guy gets up

1314
01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:09,000
from the drums, you should go
and sit on the drums. Yeah, play

1315
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,120
them, right? Yes, without
asking, and then ask to take

1316
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,120
pictures with the artist every
single time. Absolutely right?

1317
01:11:15,540 --> 01:11:16,500
Or what other bad

1318
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:18,540
like, I said, you know, bring
your sticks to the bring your

1319
01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:21,080
stick back. Have your stick bag
over your arm when you walk in

1320
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,960
to hang out at a session that's
putting laxatives in his coffee.

1321
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,780
That's a good way not to get
called back or not to get

1322
01:11:26,780 --> 01:11:27,500
invited back to

1323
01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:29,840
a session. So as far as working
on relationships, call them

1324
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,420
every day and say, Hey, what do
you got for me? Yeah, exactly.

1325
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:33,500
What other bad advice

1326
01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:36,260
would you told my mom that I met
somebody who's gonna help me

1327
01:11:36,260 --> 01:11:37,760
make it in Nashville? Yeah?

1328
01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:40,900
Oh, when you go, when you get
called to sub for somebody, do

1329
01:11:40,900 --> 01:11:44,440
not try to snake the gig. Oh,
that is the worst, right? Just

1330
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:47,260
do that advice, though,
absolutely, we want bad advice.

1331
01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:49,120
I don't have any that.

1332
01:11:49,239 --> 01:11:51,459
So the opposite of that would be
like, you know, make sure that

1333
01:11:51,459 --> 01:11:53,199
you try and Snake the gig out
from underneath.

1334
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:56,439
Oh, gotcha pass the band leader
your card. Say, Hey, man, yeah,

1335
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:57,339
my brain doesn't work.

1336
01:11:57,340 --> 01:12:00,900
Like, if old freakin slow poke
here doesn't work out anymore,

1337
01:12:01,140 --> 01:12:02,280
you know where to go. You know,

1338
01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:09,720
that's a funny feature, okay,
well, remember it, but you're

1339
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:10,380
the producer.

1340
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,040
I like it, yeah? Fantastic. Good
advice, bad advice. You know,

1341
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,500
what good advice do you have?
You can counter with bad advice.

1342
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:17,640
I'm gonna tell you, like, after

1343
01:12:18,900 --> 01:12:23,000
27 years of living here? Yeah, I
am so happy we got to spend an

1344
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,460
afternoon together same there's
been the like, really great,

1345
01:12:25,460 --> 01:12:27,740
really great. And
congratulations on an amazing

1346
01:12:27,740 --> 01:12:29,900
career. Thank you, and you,

1347
01:12:30,140 --> 01:12:32,360
thanks, man. I watched this. I
was watching this guy when I

1348
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,820
first moved to town. I told him
I'd go to the Preds games. And I

1349
01:12:34,820 --> 01:12:37,700
was like, Who is this drummer?
Yeah, this Energizer Bunny

1350
01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:38,420
behind the kid.

1351
01:12:38,420 --> 01:12:40,760
That's interesting that you
would have liked my playing in

1352
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,940
the year 2000 Wow. I hope I
sounded

1353
01:12:42,940 --> 01:12:47,020
98 that's 98 I'm telling you. We
were both new in town. Wow.

1354
01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:48,940
We're killing bro. Well, thanks,
bro. Was it

1355
01:12:48,940 --> 01:12:52,420
really intimidating for you at
the beginning? Yeah, oh

1356
01:12:52,420 --> 01:12:55,180
yeah. Well, because I think
everybody sorry I did cut this

1357
01:12:55,180 --> 01:12:57,400
out if you want to. I think
everybody moves to town

1358
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:01,560
thinking, wait until they hear
me. Oh yeah, I mean, and then

1359
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,500
it's, all I got to do is start
playing.

1360
01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:07,080
It's crickets for the first
couple of years. Yeah, you know,

1361
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:11,460
I was like, Man, I'm a top call
drummer in Dallas. I got my

1362
01:13:11,460 --> 01:13:14,400
master's degree, played with
this big band. Give me the

1363
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,100
chart. And then you move here,
and you're like, No one cares,

1364
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:20,160
right? You have got to start
over. You have to ingratiate

1365
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:24,980
yourself with the community
connections, slowly do the

1366
01:13:24,980 --> 01:13:28,820
thing. Yeah, and I wish I wasn't
in such a rush, but that's just

1367
01:13:28,820 --> 01:13:30,500
my thing. I'm an East Coast guy.

1368
01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:34,100
I think all of us, you know, are
in that rush. But no, I mean, he

1369
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:37,340
was, you know, you set the bar
for me. I mean, it was like,

1370
01:13:37,340 --> 01:13:42,520
okay, that I got to be at least
as good as that guy. You know, I

1371
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,740
don't remember that. That's so
sweet, though. It's killing

1372
01:13:44,740 --> 01:13:45,280
Yeah, see,

1373
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,100
so you just did it. See, we're
just talking about that earlier.

1374
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:48,580
Oh,

1375
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,620
I love it. Everyone that is
Garth justice at Garth justice,

1376
01:13:56,620 --> 01:14:00,840
and the email address is Garth
justice@mac.com Do you like? You

1377
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,720
get DMS from kids like, hey, how
do I do this? Yeah, all the

1378
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,720
time, all time. And you give
them that advice, absolutely,

1379
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:07,920
make friends, absolutely

1380
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,040
right. Come see me. We'll hang
out a session. You know, I love

1381
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,480
it. Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, man,

1382
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:15,420
bring your sticks. Jump on my
drums when we're trying to

1383
01:14:15,420 --> 01:14:18,180
figure out what the track sounds
like. Corner the producer, yeah,

1384
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,640
Jim, it's always great to see
you. It's been a while, and to

1385
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,740
all the listeners, oh, there's
the camera right there. Be sure

1386
01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:28,280
to subscribe, share rate and
review. It helps people find the

1387
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,980
show. Really appreciate you
joining us, and we'll see you

1388
01:14:30,980 --> 01:14:33,500
next time. Thanks. Garth,
thanks. This has

1389
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:38,300
been the rich Redmond show.
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1390
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,860
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