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You're listening to the Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Good morning, Jeff,

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Good morning, Chris, good morning, Good morning. I was wondering we

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talked all that through good morning good
morning to you. Oh wow, yeah,

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yeah, yeah. Well, you
know there's a lot of tap dancing

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in that. You know, Debbie
Reynolds. Did you know that she and

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Jean Kelly actually had a horrible relationship. I did not, And Jean Kelly

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actually, at the end of his
life said his biggest regret in his whole

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life was how he treated Debbie Reynolds. Really yeah wow. Yeah. By

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the way, was somebody famous his
mom? Debbie Reynolds was the mom of

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anybody. No, somebody famous,
Princess Leah Terry Fisher. Yeah. I

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think I knew that now that you
mention it. Yeah, And so that's

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appropriate because it's because you tied this
one. Wow. Six degrees, yes,

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six degrees. There you go.
So here it is. We're going

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to do another installment of Bible or
Not, okay, and so on this

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one, what I'm going to do
is I'm going to test you on your

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Bible trivia yes, and your Star
Wars trivia. Yeah, well, and

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so what's going to happen is I'm
going to read a word and you have

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to figure out if the word is
a Bible city, a city in the

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Bible which is or a Sith lord
from Star Wars. And I just I

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found out that this game was happening
two seconds ago, and I got to

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tell you there are so many already
know, there are so many archived names

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that never get mentioned even if you
were to watch, or sometimes they mentioned

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them just in passing, like you
know who it is, but it's not

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even there's nothing, no backstory.
So there's like there's like sixteen seasons or

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something like that of like the Clone
Wars. It's the cartoon, right,

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and they've now said that that's canon. I've not watched any of that,

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so there's probably you better catch up. There's probably fifty names of Sith lords

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that have never ever been spoken,
but I've never even heard. And then

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the Bible towns are a lot of
times they're very incidental. You don't really

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hate there's they're absurd. Yeah,
okay, here you go, ready,

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go ahead, So this is either
a city from the Bible or it's a

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sith lord. Ready, maybe I
got five of them before you, Javan,

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who knows. Okay, it does
not sound terrifying enough to be a

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sith lord. So that's the only
basis I'm going to go off of.

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I'm gonna say it's a Bible city. It is a Bible city. Nic,

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good job. It's from Ezekiel chapter
twenty seven nineteen, a town from

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with which the Syrians obtained Iron,
Cassia and Calamus. Well, i'd like

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to say that I'm that good with
the Bible you are, But I'm but

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I I would have never remembered that
Bible city. Go ahead, relish it

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another one, Scion, s c
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n so Scion, I'm going to
say that that sounds fierce enough to be

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a sith lord. I'm gonna say, sith lord. I think it sounds

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like Zion. It does, which
is why I don't think it's about it's

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a sith lord. Nice, it's
the lord of the plane, a sith

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lord who lived in the time of
the old Sith Wars. Yeah, which

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I would never know by the way
I watched all the cannon. There's no

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way this is brutal. But you're
two for two anyways, yes, lucky

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dog in spite of okay, using
logic cartan. Oh, that sounds like

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it could be anything. How do
you spell it? K A R T

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A n Oh, that sounds very
doable for both. Excuse me. I'm

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going to say sith lord. It's
a Bible city. No, no,

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there you go. It's from Joshua
twenty one thirty two. It says it

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means double city. It's a town
of Naftali assigned to the Gershonite Levites in

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one of the cities of Refuge.
It's a city of refuge. Huge.

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That's a big one. I hope
we get to that part. I'd love

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to go through the Book of Joshua
again and go back and cover those cities

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a refuge. Okay, this is
a tough one. Nil n I h

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l nil. I'm gonna say Bible
city. It's a Sith lord. No

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oh no, yeah, yeah,
it's a Nagi male sith lord serving in

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Dark Creates Galactic Empire during the Sith
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This is kind of fun. Okay. I have so much tension in

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my body right now because I want
to I want to finish. Yeah,

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okay, so this is it right
here, and this is for the win,

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yes, this is for the wind. Come on, come on right

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here, please be good to me. Masa massa? How do you spell

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it? M A S S A
like spelling? Use it in the sentence,

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please m A S s A.
H oh h at the end.

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Oh that's about a city. Really
sure? Are you sure? Yes?

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Okay, you are correct. Yes, it's a name given to the place

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where the Israelites, by their murmuring
for want of water, provoked Jehovah to

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anger against them and Exodus chapter it
was the spelling they give that h H.

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Should have spelled it, mistake.
I'm allowed for a spelling. There's

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a rule that says you can't spell
it. Okay, Actually I think you'd

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have to say massa. But yeah, prodcast So hey, I'm fleeing to

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baby. There you go in the
red. You're the best guesser in the

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room. Okay. Well, hey, that was a neat one. Thank

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you, Desiree for putting that on
our list today. That was very fun

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and you created a lot of tension. So good. Yeah, I could

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breathe now. I'd be curious to
see if our listeners knew any of those

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because I didn't when I read the
list I told you before we started,

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I didn't know any of them,
not in any of them, so that

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was crazy. Okay, Well we're
continuing now in the last days before the

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crucifixion, and Jesus is getting ready
to predict Peter's denial, and there's some

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really significant statements in this. In
these passages again, Matthew, Mark,

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Luke, and John all cover them, so we'll jump right into it.

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It's just a few verses in each
one this time. So Matthew twenty six

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thirty one says, on the way, remember they sang a hymn after the

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Last Supper and then they go out
to the Mount of Olives, So on

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the way to the Mount of Olives
is what it says. On the way,

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Jesus told them tonight, all of
you will desert me, for the

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scriptures say God will strike the shepherd
and the sheep of the flock will be

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scattered. But after I've been raised
from the dead, I will go ahead

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of you to Galilee and meet you
there. Peter declared, Even if everyone

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else deserts you, I will never
desert you. And Jesus replied, I

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tell you the truth, Peter,
this very night, before the rooster crows,

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you will deny three times that you
even know me. No, Peter

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insisted, even if I have to
die with you, I will never deny

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you, and all the other disciples
vowed the same. On the way in

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Mark chapter fourteen, on the way, Jesus told them, all of you

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will desert me, for the scripture
say God will strike the shepherd, the

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sheep will be scattered. But after
I am raised from the dead, I

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will go ahead of you into Galilee
and meet you there. Peter said to

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him, Even if everyone else deserts
you, I never will. Jesus replied,

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I tell you the truth, Peter, this night, before the rooster

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crows twice, you will deny three
times that you even know me. No,

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Peter declared emphatically, even if I
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will never deny you, and all
the others vowed the same. In Luke

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chapter twenty two, verse thirty one, it says Simon, Simon, Satan

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has asked us if each of you
like wheat. But I have pleaded in

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prayer for you, Simon, that
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you've repented and turned to me again. Strengthen your brothers. Peter said,

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Lord, I'm ready to go to
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you. But Jesus said, Peter, let me tell you something. Before

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the rooster crows tomorrow morning, you'll
deny three times that you even know me.

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Then Jesus asked them, when I
sent you out to preach the good

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news, and you did not have
money, a traveler's bag, or any

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pair of sandals, did you need
anything? No, they replied, But

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now he said, take your money
in a traveler's bag, and if you

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don't have a sword, sell your
cloak and buy one. For the time

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has come for this prophecy about me
to be fulfilled. He was counted among

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the rebels. Yes, everything written
about me by the prophets will come true.

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Look, Lord, they replied,
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That's enough, he said. And
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says as soon as Judas left the
room, Jesus said, the time has

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come for the son of Man to
enter into his glory, and God will

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be glorified because of him. And
since God receives glory because of the Sun,

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he will soon give glory to God, there to the sun. Dear

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children, I will be with you
only a little longer. As I told

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the Jewish leaders, you will search
for me, but you can't come where

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I am going. So now I
am giving you a new commandment. Love

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each other. Just as I have
loved you. You should love each other.

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Your love for one another will prove
to the world that you are my

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disciples. Simon. Peter asked,
Lord, where are you going? And

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Jesus replied, you can't go with
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later. Well, why can't I
come now? Lord? He asked,

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I'm ready to die for you.
Jesus answered, die for me. I

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tell you the truth, Peter,
before the rooster crows tomorrow morning, you'll

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deny three times that you even knew
me. So there you go. So

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the first three are very different from
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yeah, and tell me why again? What stands out? Well? In

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John he's talking all about at the
beginning. He gives them the new Commandment

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and all those kinds of things,
whereas the other ones. Jesus is just

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going well different too, Simon Simon
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Matthew and Mark are very very similar, and they sing their song.

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They're going out, hey, well, we will never deny you, we

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will die for you, right right, And then they're all like, yeah,

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me too, me too, Jesus, I'll die for you. To

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Jesus, it's so funny that I'm
laughing at It's not really a laugh of

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flatter, is it. But but
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The reason why I said tell me
why is because right when you started John,

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I looked down out of curiosity to
see what scripture Jesus was quoting,

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and it was from Zechariah, chapter
thirteen, verse seven. God will strike

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the shepherd and the sheep will be
scattered. Oh yeah, that's that's why.

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That's why I think I sort of
was reading that when you were reading

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John. But but anyway, the
point is is that this is actually pretty

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crazy because look how absolutely clear Jesus
was in Matthew. He didn't say this

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in the other versions, but he
said, but after I've been raised from

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the dead, Yes, right,
I mean you know other things I said

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that, Mark too, Oh did
he? Okay, Matthew, Mark,

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it's exactly the same, but after
I'm raised from that, so he gives

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them clear I mean before he says, strike this temple down three days,

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right, I mean, like you
know, but he he says it very

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plainly, and I almost wonder at
this point because you know, clearly it

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says that they didn't believe it,
right, like like when during the resurrection

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or excuse me, during the uh, the crucifixion, and you know,

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they did scatter, they lost faith
when Jesus was was risen, nobody knew,

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nobody understood it. And then it
even goes out of its way to

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say, uh that we'll read.
And then they remembered the words, right,

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they're like, oh, and then
they remember that he said he was

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going to rise from the dead,
right, which means that they had forgotten.

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So so it just makes me,
uh, it makes me believe that

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Jesus said so many crazy things that
they could not underst stand that maybe perhaps

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they didn't know whether to take him
literal or not. Well, if you've

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been with a teacher long enough,
eventually sometimes their voice starts to sound like

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Charlie Brown's teacher. Right. Possibly
he's just he's talking again, right,

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lot of times they're not hanging on
every word. You kind of get used

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to the great teachers that you're around
sometimes, or the other influencers, your

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own parents, those of you that
are currently parents. You know, sometimes

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it's easier to have a coach tell
your kid the same thing you would tell

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your kid, but they'll listen to
that coach, or they'll listen to that

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teacher, and they won't listen to
you for some reason. Yeah, it's

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almost as if maybe perhaps Jesus could
have said in this moment, I don't

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think you heard me. Yeah,
yeah, let me let me say this

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again, right, like you all
just breezed over it, like you weren't

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even talking to me, you know, I think about it. So he's

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in this group of what it's at
least thirteen of them. It's Jesus in

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the twelve. There's very likely the
women are around. At this point,

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Judas had already left. Yeah,
yeah, well I was talking about yesterday

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in the in the upper room.
Then they sing their song. Judas leaves,

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so now it's the twelve of them
plus the women or whoever else is

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with them. But how very alone
he must have felt. He just told

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them just a few minutes ago,
you know, one of you is going

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to betray me. And then he
leaves and everybody. They just don't even

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understand what he's talking about. Isn't
me am I the one that's gonna write?

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And then now he goes on and
he says, he said, you

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know, you guys are going to
desert me like not me, I'm not.

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I'll die for you Jesus. And
how alone he must have felt,

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knowing, no, you won't,
you just won't. Not today, You're

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not. To Peter's credit, he
does take out the daggerlf Malcus's ear that's

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coming up. He just gave away
one of the big secrets. Sorry,

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a little bit of cross referencing there, but like, so at least at

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least Peter right, uh, you
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percent believes Okay, he wants to
Hey, it's going to be there,

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This is going down right, so
we'll get there. But so Peter says,

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hey, I'm ready to do this. I think he means it in

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that moment. Now, what's really
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parenthetical kind of an idea, But
every one of them said I'll die for

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you Jesus. But every one of
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But they're only three and a half
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Every one of them except John,
when they're old, men die for Jesus,

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every one of them. And John
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right, And so there is something
to be said about don't put so

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much confidence in how strong of a
Christian you are because you read through the

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Bible one time and you've been a
believer for a year, right, But

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understand, stay on this long journey
and when you're that older man, that

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older woman, you've been walking with
the Lord for a long time, the

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depth of the desire of your faith
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a year or two, the desire, I think it can really truly be

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fulfilled as you continue to spend time
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one of them will eventually they get
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and a lot of that. But
like I also saw the resurrected Lord,

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so that helps. Yeah, And
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completely convinced he's the Messiah, He's
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he's got a new name and uh, and so they know it.

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But yeah, I think that when
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us really understand what it's like,
like how we really like, did you

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ever see something and you know there's
a big heroic moment in the movie and

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you think yourself, I'd like to
believe I would do that, but you

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don't really quite know. You just
don't know. So I'm gonna squeeze the

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story in. So, when I
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was selling cars. I want to
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explore and you get massive car wreck. So I was. It was the

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worst car wreck I've ever been in
by far. So the air bag is

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deployed, which that's when I found
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chemicals that they get filled with chemicals, not with air. So anyway,

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so this guy smashes into this truck
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and when the chemicals came out of
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smoke like, and I thought the
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you know, I'm just banged around. I hit the air bag, I

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unbuckle, and I run across the
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other side of the road because I'm
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going to explode. And then I
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is now like so dazed and everything
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go out of the car, but
he's in there for at least a minute,

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and all of a sudden, he
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me, hey, help, I
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smoke coming out of the windows,
and so I scream and say it's on

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fire. It's gonna blow. And
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undone, And in that moment,
instead of rushing over and helping him with

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the buckle across the street, I
yell, just mash it harder. Smoke

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is coming up, which wasn't smoke. Smoke's coming out of the windows.

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Smash, just mash it, rash
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later on, you know, he's
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that I find out the car wasn't
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myself and I was like, who
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I am the coward? And I
couldn't believe that now grinned it wasn't like

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it was my relative or my wife
or my son or whatever, which I

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would have you know, ran back
for hopefully maybe maybe maybe who knows,

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but you know, you just don't
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I give Peter a little bit of
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in the moment, but yet when
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he does he denies them, as
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or two. So anyway, that's
huge, And so I think it's one

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of those that one it's important to
have thought through these things, Yeah,

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and to think through what would I
do in this really bad moment if you

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were ever faced with it. You
know, I've told you many times I've

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sat down with pastors and that are
risking their lives every single day. Yeah,

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and they just say, I'm going
to keep doing it until I get

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arrested. I'm going to keep doing
it until they catch me. I'm going

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to keep doing it until they kill
me. And they've already counted the cost

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and they made that decision right.
Hopefully, as you think about it ahead

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of time, it's not a surprise
in the moment you've thought about it.

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You decide if a situation like this
happens, I'm all in for Jesus.

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They are in the spur of the
moment, just talking. They're not thinking

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it through, right, They're just
talking. But Peter goes on and you

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know he does actually do what Jesus
says. But later on you find Jesus

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or Peter risking his life for Jesus
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ministry when he dies as an old
man. And I think there is something

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about that that in the spur of
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whatever and have good intentions but no
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when you make a real decision.
He had a real encounter with the resurrected

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Lord those two things. Then I
think he had the whole rest of his

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life to contemplate what happened to me
on that moment, right, And at

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the end he steps up and does
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there's that. I also think it's
interesting the one big difference in these four

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passages is Jesus says in verse thirty
four, John thirteen, so I'm going

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to give you a new commandment,
love each other. Right. There's such

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an odd commandment to have to give
people who've been together for three and a

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half years, let alone. He's
really kind of announcing, my kingdom needs

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to be a kingdom of love.
My people need to be people of love.

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Just as I've loved you. You
should love one another. Your love

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for one another will prove to the
world that you're My disciples. Your love

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for one another the other believers.
He's not saying your love for people in

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the world. He's saying, here, how you treat each other inside of

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my followers, inside the family of
God proves to the world that your my

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disciples. And for a lot of
us, we think typing in all caps

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are really strong political opinions that'll prove
that we're good Christians. Or we think

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that it's being able to win some
kind of a Bible trivia thing, or

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that we know more big Bible words
than other people. That's what proves that

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we're God's followers. But Jesus says, you love for one another, how

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you treat the other Christians among you. That means there are going to be

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Christians who are better Christians than you. There are going to be Christians who

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have a different view on things than
you. There's going to be Christians who

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have stronger rules or weaker rules.
There's going to be people who have more

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Bible knowledge and less Bible knowledge.
And he says, inside of your family

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of God, how you love one
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disciples. Sometimes Christians will get frustrated
the more mature they become, they'll get

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frustrated that they look at other Christians
who are not nominal Christians, or newer

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Christians or just kind of halfway living
a Christian life. They get frustrated,

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going, I can't believe those people. They really don't love God. I've

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got to leave that group and I've
got to go to another group where people

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are more committed and love God even
more. Right, And I would say,

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so I need to divorce the family
of God I'm a part of and

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go find a new family. And
he says, your love for one another,

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not for the other group of Christians
over there, for the group of

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Christians you're in, will prove to
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so I think a lot of times
we're quick to go ahead and divorce the

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group of disciples we're a part of
because we're frustrated with them. We're just

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gonna go find a better group.
I think there's some danger in that,

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as opposed to we all collectively can
make our group better. We can there's

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somebody ahead of us that's stronger I
spiritually, I need to follow them,

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and I need to become stronger in
my faith. If there's people behind me

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that haven't developed him, how do
I wrap my arm around them and bring

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them along and say there's more?
There's more to the life of following Christ.

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How do I take my resources and
share in a way that can provide

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for somebody who's struggling financially? How
can I love them when they're going through

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a hard time? Right? We
need to be thinking not what is best

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for me in the context of the
family of God I'm a part of,

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but instead figure out how can I
demonstrate extreme sacrificial love like Jesus is about

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to do here for everybody in my
group, right, and we'll all make

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the group better. So yeah,
and you know, it's it's interesting how

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you know when people get mad at
church, they walk away from God,

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and yet you know it's the people
who are imperfect. Yeah, right,

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So it's like it's no wonder how
we're going to mess this up? Right,

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like and he says, he says, you know this, this is

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how people will know. Well,
I mean even when there's tension inside the

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church, because again, people are
just imperfect and it's hard to love people

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who are very hard to love,
right and and and again it's just imperfect

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people. That's that's the one thing
that I just can't get over, which

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is, uh, you know,
when people have a bad experience with a

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church leader or an elder or you
know, a key volunteer, whatever it

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is, Uh, they end up
walking away from faith, and they walk

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away from God and and all of
a sudden, now you know, there's

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there's a lot at stake, right, I mean their legacy there, Uh,

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their their their eternity, you know, the their family's eternity. All

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these different things are all at stake
because of bad church experiences, because there's

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tension in the body of believers.
To I would just say, you know,

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we have to recognize that we're going
to mess this up all the time,

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and uh and uh and but but
you know, the more that we

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you know, submit to it,
the more that we surrender to it,

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uh, you know, the the
better it will be. Yeah. Love

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is always a choice, yep,
Right, yep. All right. Well,

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hey, sounds like that's our time
and we've covered a lot, and

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so hopefully we will see you next
time. I'm on the Bible, guys. Mhm