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Thank you very much for
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Thanks for
having me back.

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I'm excited.

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Man.

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We've been talking about
so many cool things

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since our last podcast
said, we decided, you

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know, there's going to
be some points in here

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that the general public
would probably like

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to hear about as well.

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And one of them we're
talking about was, well,

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I guess specifically, uh,
special forces selection.

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Cause I know that's
something that

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is intriguing for
a lot of people.

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I remember as a teenager,
reading the Andy McNabb

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book, immediate action
and absolutely loving

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the, uh, the detailing
process of what brought

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them through that.

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But from your
perspective, What in

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your background sort
of drove you to want to

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submit yourself to such
arduous, such an arduous

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selection process?

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Well, at the beginning,
I didn't aim for special

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forces or I had that
in the back of my head,

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but I didn't tell anyone
about that, which is

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a good thing to do.

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If you are thinking
of it, you don't

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talk about it.

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Like, especially if you
walk into a recruiter's

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office, don't say I want
to go special forces.

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Cause they'll
laugh in your face.

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You need to learn to walk
before let's crawl before

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you can run and all that.

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Uh, but, uh, It was just
striving to be the best.

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If I'm going to do
something, I might

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as well try and go
as far as I can go.

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And that's a stepping
stone process as well.

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Um, so that's why
I joined the Royal

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Marine commandos.

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First of all, because in
the UK they're considered

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the best entry level, um,
infantry that you can be.

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Um, and the
powers are close.

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Second.

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See, I've heard the
peers are pretty good

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rope to go as well.

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Yeah.

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Now I have to give
the parents respect

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cause I was actually
focused on them as a

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youngster on nets, a
Royal Marine command.

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Close friend of mine
and he steered me

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in that direction.

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And I'm very happy about
the decision on made.

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Um, but yeah, they're
both good units.

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Um, but to go for special
forces, you start off

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in the infantry and
then what builds your

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basic skill levels up?

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Because being in
special forces is a

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basics of really what
matters and that's the

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difference is knowing
the basics very well.

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And then you can build
on top of that, uh, in

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terms of pushing yourself
to the limits, uh, you

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have to be smart about
it, but there's no easy

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way to get around the
pain it's coming, you

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know, and you have to get
into the pain early on.

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You can't just turn up
and get into the pain.

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You have to get
into the pain every

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day, every morning,
uh, train in heart.

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What do you mean getting
into the pain every day?

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Early morning?

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Is that just like a
mental switch that

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you're like, okay, we're
on, we're doing this.

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Yeah.

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Once I made the decision
that I was going to

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go for selection,
um, then I just.

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Decided that I was going
to do the training that

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I needed to do to pass,
which in the British

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special forces is a,
we call it Yom pin in

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the Royal Marines, but
it's a rock marching and

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carrying a lot of weight
over long distances over

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mountainous terrain.

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So I, with that goal
in mind at first, I

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just started training
in that regard.

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And that's a very
painful thing to do

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because it's long time
as a long, a duration

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of running with heavy
weights that it just,

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your backs are in your
shoulders hurt and with

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the weight of the pack.

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And then you, obviously,
your legs are burning.

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Your lungs are burning.

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Um, so it's not
comfortable experiences,

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obviously not supposed
to be comfortable.

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It is a bit
different than.

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Um, some of the
American special forces,

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selections, like buds
for the seals, um,

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they do a lot of, uh,
like PT in a beach

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setting and you have
instructors on your back,

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like shouting at you.

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And if you do something
wrong, then they're

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right on top of you
for our selection.

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You're pretty
much on your own.

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You don't get
any guidance.

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And that's part of it.

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It's a psychological,
to be honest.

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And that that's
the purpose.

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That's a very
interesting aspect to it.

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Cause like, I mean
reading through and I

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know his, name's not
actually Andy McNabb,

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but reading through Andy
McDowell's book that

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he had, when I think
he was one of the early

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ones to really kind of
delve into the whole

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selection process, he
talks about his earlier

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days in his upbringing
and he's a little

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bit of a delinquent.

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Uh, he find that to be
sort of, Hey, A common

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trend in, uh, perhaps
people who want to push

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themselves to these
special forces level.

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But my personal
experience, I'd say yes.

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Um, although there's a,
there's always different

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backgrounds, but I
think you have to be a

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bit of a, an adventure.

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And, uh, I call myself
a bit of a wild man,

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cause I am, you know, I
just a bit spontaneous.

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And uh, I like to just
do stuff, even if I

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make mistakes, but,
and I did make mistakes

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when I was younger.

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Um, and I learned
from them, but you

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do have to be that
sort of person that's

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going to step forward.

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Uh, when everyone else
is kind of question in

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looking around what's
everyone else doing?

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So you have to be a go

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getter.

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Is that sort of like
a counter culture

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mentality or maybe
like oppositional

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defiance, sort of a,
uh, uh, a mentality

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that people have where
they're like, you're not

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telling me what to do.

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I can figure this
out and I can push

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through and I've got
my own way of doing it.

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Is that sort of a,

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yeah, it could be, it
could be, you have to

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be very independent
and you don't have

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help from anyone.

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So in the Marines, it's
very much a team, uh,

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select, um, like training
aspect that you all

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looking after each other.

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And when you go for
special forces, you're

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on your own, although
there's team elements,

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but you're looked at as
an individual candidate,

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um, and say, if you're
doing a rock March,

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you don't pull back
to help someone else.

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Um, because you'll,
you'll get failed for

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doing so like that
person's on your own.

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Yeah.

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You leave them,
but in the Marines

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you would all come
together and help that

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individual team member.

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Um, so there's a
bit of a difference

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there.

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So, I guess it's gotta
be difficult when you

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get, you're trying
to build a cohesive

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team of special forces
individuals and you're

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doing so by specifically
selecting people who

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are individually minded
and very strong-willed.

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Yeah.

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Is how does that work
when once you're sort

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of in the, I mean,
I'm kind of jumping a

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few spaces, pass all
selection process, but

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how does that work in the
team environment having

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so many individuals?

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Is there a lot of
friction that can kind of

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happen or is the shared
experience enough to,

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there's a difference
between lamps still

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team players and
being an individual,

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meaning that you can
operate on your own.

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You can do everything
independently.

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The, the leader aspect.

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Um, see, I'm not a
natural leader, but

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I still did well.

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Um, and I can step up
to that plate when I

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want to, and I need
to, but I don't lead.

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Um, a lot of the time
I'm quite happy to

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be a team member.

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So yeah, you do have the
people that push out the

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front, but also those
people that are always

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stepping up and trying to
control things, they're

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not going to do very well
in selection because you

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need to be a great man.

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And that is a
Jordan to you.

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Anyone that gives you
advice before you go

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on selection, it's
get your head down.

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Be proficient in your
skills and drills

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and be a gray man.

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You don't want to
stand out for the wrong

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reasons and make it join
attention to yourself.

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You can draw attention
to yourself by being

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good at your job.

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Not for.

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Off of reasons

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if you're, let's say,
uh, completing a tab

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or a route March or
something, uh, well

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ahead of everybody
else, would that be

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separating yourself
from the green mat?

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Like, would you
intentionally try and

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keep yourself back a bit?

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If there's some areas
that, you know, you

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could do quite well in?

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Well, I wouldn't
intentionally pull myself

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back, but I do know on
my selection, there was

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a guy who was way ahead
of everyone and he was

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really going for it.

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And, uh, there
was talk about.

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Just being a bit too
cocky in that role.

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And he didn't make
it at the end.

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I don't know if that
weighed on him, but

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also he was, it's a
long process and the

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Hills phase is just one
phase of selection and

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he, I don't know where
he dropped off, but

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he burned himself very
heavily in the earliest

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stage of selection.

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And it's a long process.

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If you get any injuries
during that phase,

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you're carrying them
onto even harder

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arduous, uh, activities
later down the line.

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And it's not an
intelligent thing to

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do because there's
a pass and a fail at

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the end of the day.

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Um, so

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not like you a hundred
percent pass, you've

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just got passed.

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It's like going to see a
doctor, I guess you don't

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know if they came top
of their class or they

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just going to eat through
this still a doctor.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's it.

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Uh, so what, um, what
were the steps that were

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required once your Royal.

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I in order to make
that next transition

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into apply for special
forces, what did, what

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would you have to do?

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Uh, you do have to
have a certain amount

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of years service.

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I believe it was,
uh, two years of,

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of, of Royal Marine
service to get that

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experience as a soldier.

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And you wouldn't want
to go straight into

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it anyway, because
you do need to be, uh,

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a high level soldier
in all areas, um, and

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have the basics down.

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And for me, I actually
was in a command role

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before I decided to go.

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So in the British
military, in the Marines,

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even in the army, they've
slightly different

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ranking systems.

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We have Marine
Lance corporal

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and then corporal.

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And I was at the rank
of corporal when I

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went for a selection.

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And that helped me
because I improved as

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a soldier by taking
that command of men

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at that time, before
that I didn't have.

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Uh, as good understanding
of certain things

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like section, section
attacks and stuff

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like that, and how the
mechanics worked and

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going into the special
forces, it would, it

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was a big part of okay.

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The knowledge base
that I needed.

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So yeah, I did it at the
right time, actually.

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And

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I'm sure that build a
lot of confidence as

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well, having the extra
years in and the, uh,

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the experience there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah,

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it does.

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Yeah.

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Not like, I think I
mentioned on the last

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podcast, when I did that
corporal's course, um,

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you have to go away to
do, uh, there was two

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special forces guys on
that course with me and

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I was working with them
closely for a number of

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weeks and they became
first and second on that

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course, and I was number
free and they pulled me

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aside at the end of the
course and said, oh,

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when you come in down
to our unit and having

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a go, and it was always
in my head at that time.

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But from that
little discussion,

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that was okay.

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They said someone came
me that they thought

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I was good enough.

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And before I'd actually
met them, I hadn't

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met anyone in the
British special forces

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as a, in a frame.

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Capacity or worked
alongside them.

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And it was good to
have that exposure

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because I realized
that they are they're

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exceptionally good,
but they're not gods.

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And that's the image
I had was that these

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are the people that
God's like, they may

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never make a mistake.

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They're just perfect
in every aspect.

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And I had that image
of Royal Marines

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before I joined.

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And then when you get
to that, you work hard

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to get to that standard.

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Um, you could still
think you're a God, but

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you know, it's doable.

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You can do it.

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And then the same thing
happened with the,

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when you did selection
and went down there,

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uh, you just built
gradually and then you

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get there eventually.

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And then when you're
there, you're like,

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wow, it was horrendous,
but it's achievable in

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if you, if you do it,

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it's amazing how
many people have that

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perception of it's
just these people

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are superhuman.

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They're so different
from normal people.

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I like how you put
that because I find

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it, I find it like
this in so many facets

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of day-to-day life.

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It's not that they're so
awesome in one particular

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area, it's that they've
gotten very good at

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perfecting the basics and
very good at perfecting

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the small things that
are required in order

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to be able to make the
overall come together

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in, in such a way.

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Um, you know, we, in
our training courses

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that we do, and we've
got different levels of,

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uh, firearms training
courses and our level

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one, two, and three,
and we always get people

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saying, oh, I want to
do a level four course.

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I want them to do a
level five course.

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I want to start here
because I've, I'm

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pretty, pretty good.

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And what most of
these people actually

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don't realize is that.

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The very high end
high level courses

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require a very, very
strong proficiency in

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the absolute basics.

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Just like the absolute,
basic things that

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you need in order
to be proficient.

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And you drill those
down to such a level.

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Now you're at that
God-like level.

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Is that similar to
what you oh, that's

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definitely,
that's an accurate

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description of it.

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Uh, is it to it's heat
and to be honest, yeah.

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Yeah.

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You really do have to
focus on the basic skills

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because you are a soldier
at the end of the day.

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And, and when you're on
the ground, you actually

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do in the same role,
the same techniques and

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things that you would use
as an infantry soldier

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in the Royal Marines.

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Uh, and then you may
have got there by

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parachuting or some
other glamorous place,

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you know what I mean?

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Um, but yeah, so you have
to build off the basics

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is a, is a good message.

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So that takes you.

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Now you've got the nod.

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You got people saying,
come on, give it a shot.

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So you decide to put
your name in and see

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what would happen.

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There's a lot of
people that do that.

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I should imagine a lot
of people probably want

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to put their name and do
they all get looked at

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if you fit the criteria
and your commanding

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officer of your unit, um,
approves, which usually

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they do, um, because it's
actually quite a good way

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to feed into the special
forces it's looked at.

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Everyone should
have a go.

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I believe if you want
to be, if you've already

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joined the Royal Marines,
then you've already

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taken that step to
join a prestigious high

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level organization.

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Um, and you want to
be a fighting soldier.

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You don't join the
Royal Marines because

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you want to drive
trucks or anything

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else in my opinion.

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Um, so once you've taken
that step, I think you

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should work towards.

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If, if that's what
you want to do with

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your life, because
once you get to that

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special forces level,
the whole, your

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everyday life is just
completely different.

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There's a different
outlook on you.

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You are seen as the top
of the table, basically.

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Um, and you don't have
to do a lot of the stuff

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that you have to do in
the military anymore.

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For instance, cut your
hair, salute offices by

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so or anything like that.

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It's just relaxed because
you've already proven

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that you are proficient
and good enough.

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And now all that stuff
doesn't really matter.

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It's irrelevant now
you've got bigger

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things to worry about,
you know what I mean?

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Very cool.

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Yeah.

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That would be, um, that
would be something to

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shoot for, for sure.

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I would think everybody
would want to put

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that a little bit
extra effort into at

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least try for that.

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Um, yeah, but when we
say little bit extra

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effort, So you get the
nod you're in there.

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You can call down C says
at a boy, good to go.

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So then you apply
through the military

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system and then you
have a, this, they call

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them briefing courses,
which is the first

00:16:15.030 --> 00:16:17.340
test, um, that you do.

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So the SAS has a
traditionally and

00:16:20.020 --> 00:16:22.110
easier briefing course,
and then a harder

00:16:22.110 --> 00:16:24.720
pre-selection that you
have a pre selection.

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You don't just turn up on
day one in Andy McNabb's

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day, you just turned
up and you went onto

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the Hills in the Brecon
beacons and started.

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And now they have
a buildup of, uh,

00:16:33.930 --> 00:16:34.710
different things.

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And down at the SBS,
they have a briefing

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course, which is a,
is a one week course.

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And it's traditionally
harder than the

00:16:43.500 --> 00:16:45.630
eight week buildup
before selection.

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So I knew that I was
going for an extremely

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hard one week.

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So the training
started very early on.

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Um, so.

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Yom pin as we call it
in the Marines with

00:16:55.980 --> 00:16:59.490
tabbing and training
my legs and my back and

00:16:59.490 --> 00:17:02.130
stuff just for, to carry
heavy loads across.

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Mountainous terrain.

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So when you say heavy
loads, what are we

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talking?

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Uh, well, it does
vary a lot for

00:17:08.430 --> 00:17:09.270
different marches.

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Um, there was one March
on that, uh, briefing

00:17:11.940 --> 00:17:15.510
course, I believe it
was around 75 to 80

00:17:15.510 --> 00:17:19.349
pounds, but that isn't
the actual weight.

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That's the weight
that you weigh the.

00:17:21.690 --> 00:17:23.280
Before the day, and
then you have to carry

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water and yet you have
to carry a certain

00:17:25.230 --> 00:17:27.389
amount of water of sea
for safety reasons.

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And then you have to
carry your food as well.

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Cause the marches do
go on sometimes eight

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hours and the biggest
one is mine was, uh,

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18 and a half hours.

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That was actually
on selection.

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That was one of the
marches called long

00:17:39.629 --> 00:17:42.210
drag, which is the
famous last one you do?

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So the fan dance,
uh, no, that's a

00:17:44.310 --> 00:17:45.090
different one actually.

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And th that's quite early
on at the first week,

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but that is a, that's
a different one because

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the speed is different.

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And, um, it's very famous
as well because people

00:17:56.280 --> 00:17:57.179
have died on that one.

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Um, candidates have
died in the past because

00:17:59.399 --> 00:18:02.159
of the, the mountain
is, uh, is quite a

00:18:02.220 --> 00:18:04.679
unforgiving place and
the weather can come in.

00:18:05.100 --> 00:18:08.909
Uh, and in the summer,
um, we lost a few guys a

00:18:08.909 --> 00:18:12.480
few years back from heat
exhaustion, three guys

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on one selection course
on the same day, which

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yeah, I think it was free
two or free, um, which

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was quite horrendous.

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I wasn't in at that
time, but everyone in

00:18:21.629 --> 00:18:23.399
the British military
heard about that.

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Um,

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so 80 pounds, then he
got water and then you

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got food and that's
your probably that's

00:18:29.639 --> 00:18:31.649
another 10 pounds
anyways, on your back.

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Yeah.

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So that was, that was
one March, but the

00:18:34.679 --> 00:18:37.320
normal weight is 55
pounds for the bag.

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And then you've got a
rifle and other stuff.

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So on a normal March,
you're going maybe.

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65 to 70 pounds
of weight.

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Um, and that's,
yeah, that's still,

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it's a, it's a heavy
load, you know, and

00:18:52.830 --> 00:18:56.910
through that March there
you've, you don't know

00:18:56.910 --> 00:18:57.690
when it's going to end.

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You said you've got
like on the, the long

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drag is 18 hours.

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Do you have a deadline
on that or are they

00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.380
continually moving the
finish line on you?

00:19:04.740 --> 00:19:04.950
Uh,

00:19:04.980 --> 00:19:05.670
on that one?

00:19:06.930 --> 00:19:09.810
You kind of know that one
because it's, uh, it's

00:19:09.870 --> 00:19:13.380
so famous that people
talk about it, but the

00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:16.020
others in the mid, in
the, in the middle of

00:19:16.020 --> 00:19:18.750
the course is, is when
you literally, you,

00:19:18.840 --> 00:19:22.170
they drive you in the
morning to, uh, the start

00:19:22.170 --> 00:19:23.580
point and they don't
tell you where that is.

00:19:23.580 --> 00:19:26.130
So you have to follow
on your map in the, in

00:19:26.130 --> 00:19:29.430
the area and figure out
where you're starting at.

00:19:29.760 --> 00:19:32.160
And then they just give
you the, the coordinates

00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:34.170
for the next great, like
the good reference to

00:19:34.170 --> 00:19:35.850
the next checkpoint.

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And then you get there
and then you get another

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one and you just keep
going like that until

00:19:40.380 --> 00:19:42.690
finally you see the
trucks and stuff at

00:19:42.690 --> 00:19:44.640
one checkpoint, and
you don't know when

00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:45.240
that's going to be.

00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:47.730
So yeah, it varies some
days you could be going

00:19:47.730 --> 00:19:48.900
for four, five hours.

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Some days it could be
up to eight hours, but.

00:19:51.629 --> 00:19:52.020
Wow.

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Yeah.

00:19:52.590 --> 00:19:54.750
It's, it's not, uh,
it's, it's quite

00:19:54.750 --> 00:19:57.780
psychologically,
um, test him because

00:19:57.780 --> 00:19:58.530
of that as well.

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Um, and people do fail
because they think

00:20:01.500 --> 00:20:04.020
they're way behind and
then the next checkpoint

00:20:04.020 --> 00:20:07.470
is only there and
they've talked themselves

00:20:07.470 --> 00:20:08.280
out of it, basically.

00:20:09.150 --> 00:20:09.629
Yeah.

00:20:09.750 --> 00:20:12.510
I remember as a, uh, as a
kid, just having to push

00:20:12.510 --> 00:20:16.020
a car and, uh, and just
thinking about that whole

00:20:16.020 --> 00:20:17.850
psychological thing,
there is a couple of us

00:20:17.850 --> 00:20:19.800
were pushing the car down
the road and I didn't

00:20:19.889 --> 00:20:22.260
know where the car was
supposed to be ending up.

00:20:22.260 --> 00:20:25.110
And one person jokingly
said, oh, it's going

00:20:25.110 --> 00:20:27.960
to be up around the
block and down the

00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:30.629
next side, when we're
really about one house

00:20:30.629 --> 00:20:31.800
away, where did it go?

00:20:31.800 --> 00:20:33.629
And we're running
with this thing and

00:20:33.629 --> 00:20:35.340
pushing it for about
a block anyways.

00:20:35.340 --> 00:20:37.410
And so I decided, okay,
I'm going to take a break

00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.379
because if we've got
that much further to go.

00:20:40.290 --> 00:20:43.110
And realize that
person started steering

00:20:43.110 --> 00:20:43.860
in their driveway.

00:20:43.860 --> 00:20:45.720
And I'm like, now I
look like the guy it's

00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.389
just couldn't, couldn't
make it to the end here.

00:20:49.050 --> 00:20:50.790
And I always held that
in the back of my head

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as a, um, uh, just a
little bit of a lesson

00:20:54.060 --> 00:20:57.750
about the, uh, the
power of the, uh, of

00:20:57.750 --> 00:20:59.850
your mind to be able to
continue pushing through.

00:20:59.850 --> 00:21:01.800
Cause I felt knackered
there, but hell if,

00:21:01.800 --> 00:21:03.389
if it was only one
more house, I'd go,

00:21:03.600 --> 00:21:04.409
I could've continued.

00:21:04.409 --> 00:21:05.100
I could have done it.

00:21:05.669 --> 00:21:08.580
And I have to imagine
just on a much bigger

00:21:08.580 --> 00:21:11.310
scale, not pushing a
car, a block, but on

00:21:11.310 --> 00:21:15.899
a much bigger scale,
um, that mental process

00:21:15.929 --> 00:21:18.810
of, um, I can do it.

00:21:20.100 --> 00:21:24.899
That must, that must take
a lot of, um, I guess

00:21:25.290 --> 00:21:28.020
straight up willpower,
just, just push as

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opposed to anything
else I would think.

00:21:30.629 --> 00:21:30.990
I dunno.

00:21:30.990 --> 00:21:32.310
What w what do you do?

00:21:32.310 --> 00:21:33.899
What did you find
yourself doing to

00:21:33.899 --> 00:21:34.560
be able to push.

00:21:35.865 --> 00:21:37.665
When you didn't know
where that deadline was?

00:21:37.995 --> 00:21:38.325
Uh,

00:21:38.385 --> 00:21:41.895
first of all, I, um, if
I had failed selection, I

00:21:41.895 --> 00:21:44.655
had, uh, I would have had
a hard time in my life.

00:21:44.685 --> 00:21:46.035
So I cut ties.

00:21:46.365 --> 00:21:49.875
I actually did selection
as a reservist, but I did

00:21:49.875 --> 00:21:51.195
the regular selection.

00:21:51.375 --> 00:21:52.815
Um, and there was a
part that was missed

00:21:52.815 --> 00:21:54.315
out, which was the
jungle phase, which we

00:21:54.315 --> 00:21:56.415
did, uh, a different
phase in the UK.

00:21:56.565 --> 00:21:56.715
Right.

00:21:56.775 --> 00:21:58.455
I was in there
with everyone else.

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Um, so it's joint
together, joint special

00:22:00.405 --> 00:22:01.245
forces selection.

00:22:01.485 --> 00:22:04.305
So I had gone as a
reservist, so I had a

00:22:04.305 --> 00:22:05.685
job and stuff as well.

00:22:05.865 --> 00:22:08.175
So I quit my job, quit
where I was living.

00:22:08.235 --> 00:22:10.095
And I focused
solely on that.

00:22:10.095 --> 00:22:13.754
So if I failed, I'd be
homeless and jobless, but

00:22:13.754 --> 00:22:15.675
that was a technique that
I learned in my life.

00:22:15.705 --> 00:22:17.685
Like I have to go
all in on things.

00:22:17.775 --> 00:22:19.785
Um, and then that's
in my mind as well.

00:22:19.815 --> 00:22:21.615
Like there's no
fall back plan here.

00:22:22.035 --> 00:22:23.175
I'm full steam ahead.

00:22:23.385 --> 00:22:24.585
So there's no
turning back.

00:22:24.645 --> 00:22:25.365
I like that.

00:22:25.785 --> 00:22:26.085
Yeah.

00:22:26.085 --> 00:22:27.004
That's just
something that.

00:22:27.870 --> 00:22:30.360
Do because I know there's
no other way out of it.

00:22:30.419 --> 00:22:31.379
I've got to go forward.

00:22:31.860 --> 00:22:34.290
But also actually when
you're on the marches

00:22:34.290 --> 00:22:37.620
and stuff, I have a very
imaginative mind and

00:22:37.620 --> 00:22:40.439
I like to daydream and
I actually spoken to

00:22:40.439 --> 00:22:43.050
friends in the Marines,
talk about running

00:22:43.250 --> 00:22:45.300
and, and I'd say about
when you're running.

00:22:45.689 --> 00:22:48.780
Um, I just go off in a
daydream about things

00:22:48.780 --> 00:22:50.760
and my mind can be gone
for awhile and then

00:22:50.760 --> 00:22:52.469
I'd come back and I'll
feel the pain again.

00:22:52.860 --> 00:22:56.024
Um, Yeah, I can go away
and just daydream about

00:22:56.024 --> 00:22:57.014
things for a long time.

00:22:57.284 --> 00:22:57.945
That's cool.

00:22:58.034 --> 00:22:58.335
Yeah.

00:22:58.335 --> 00:23:00.284
And some, and I speak
to other people in

00:23:00.284 --> 00:23:02.115
there, like, and I talk
about that and they're

00:23:02.115 --> 00:23:03.945
like, what the hell
are you talking about?

00:23:04.034 --> 00:23:06.855
And I'm like, oh, you
can't, you don't do that.

00:23:07.665 --> 00:23:07.935
No.

00:23:08.925 --> 00:23:09.945
So I don't know.

00:23:10.245 --> 00:23:11.655
Maybe I have
something that other

00:23:11.655 --> 00:23:12.805
people don't, but

00:23:12.915 --> 00:23:13.754
the honesty.

00:23:14.745 --> 00:23:16.905
How do you find your
situational awareness

00:23:16.905 --> 00:23:19.274
when you, when you're in
that daydream process, is

00:23:19.274 --> 00:23:21.495
it kind of, are you still
able to be able to pick

00:23:21.495 --> 00:23:22.395
up on the key things that

00:23:23.205 --> 00:23:25.155
yeah, I seem to
just be okay.

00:23:25.155 --> 00:23:28.274
Like when I was on this,
on the Hills selection,

00:23:28.274 --> 00:23:30.195
I was actually, I
had two songs in my

00:23:30.195 --> 00:23:32.115
head, which I could
never listen to again.

00:23:32.445 --> 00:23:34.245
And I would just
sing those songs

00:23:34.514 --> 00:23:35.805
over and over again.

00:23:37.649 --> 00:23:39.480
And yeah, I could
never listen to

00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:40.409
those songs again.

00:23:41.129 --> 00:23:42.419
And there were
very strange songs.

00:23:42.419 --> 00:23:45.510
It was that pina colada
song, you know, and

00:23:45.510 --> 00:23:48.240
also the, another one
is I don't like cricket.

00:23:48.510 --> 00:23:49.379
I love it.

00:23:50.560 --> 00:23:52.500
I just heard them on
the radio and I couldn't

00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:53.490
get them out of my head.

00:23:53.909 --> 00:23:56.399
But once I started going
through the lyrics in my

00:23:56.399 --> 00:23:58.919
head, it just played over
and over again, that just

00:23:58.919 --> 00:24:01.169
passed the time because
a lot of it was, it was

00:24:01.169 --> 00:24:04.919
hours of just running
a March and on my own.

00:24:05.100 --> 00:24:06.419
And you can't
listen to music.

00:24:06.450 --> 00:24:08.220
And usually I like
to listen to music

00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:09.730
if I'll run and get
into a bit of a, like

00:24:09.730 --> 00:24:11.550
a daydream state, but

00:24:12.090 --> 00:24:14.520
funny, because how you
described that I actually

00:24:14.520 --> 00:24:15.450
do something similar.

00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:17.730
So if I've got a pack on
I'm going up the mountain

00:24:17.730 --> 00:24:21.510
and it's, I know I've got
a long distance to go, I

00:24:21.510 --> 00:24:22.500
will do the same thing.

00:24:22.600 --> 00:24:24.750
I'll make up my own
songs, usually to a beat,

00:24:24.750 --> 00:24:26.909
sort of like pina coladas
of goofy things like

00:24:26.909 --> 00:24:28.950
this, but I'll make up my
own words inside there.

00:24:29.969 --> 00:24:32.820
At, uh, I w I've
never actually heard

00:24:32.820 --> 00:24:33.899
somebody say this.

00:24:34.919 --> 00:24:37.649
Yeah, no, it's
definitely a technique.

00:24:37.649 --> 00:24:39.419
And I don't know if
it's taught to people,

00:24:39.419 --> 00:24:41.639
but maybe people can
start trying to do it

00:24:41.639 --> 00:24:43.439
because it's been really
beneficial for me.

00:24:43.439 --> 00:24:44.909
And I did it in rural
Marine training as

00:24:44.909 --> 00:24:46.979
well, because there's
a lot of running and

00:24:47.040 --> 00:24:49.560
stuff in that and
long distance marches.

00:24:49.919 --> 00:24:51.750
So I think is
very beneficial.

00:24:51.810 --> 00:24:53.159
I don't know what you
would think about.

00:24:53.189 --> 00:24:54.989
I can't do something
just to think about

00:24:54.989 --> 00:24:55.770
this as horrendous.

00:24:55.770 --> 00:24:57.510
This is a render site
all the way round.

00:24:57.750 --> 00:24:58.979
You have to take
your mind somewhere

00:24:58.979 --> 00:24:59.370
else.

00:24:59.969 --> 00:25:02.129
I started it simply
because I was in Chrisley

00:25:02.129 --> 00:25:04.590
country area with a lot
of Grizzlies and a ton

00:25:04.590 --> 00:25:06.540
of Grizzlies sign in your
spot and I'm all over.

00:25:06.540 --> 00:25:07.229
And so I just.

00:25:07.730 --> 00:25:10.130
I figured I'd make noise
and I'd sing something

00:25:10.130 --> 00:25:12.080
out loud and it was
just something that

00:25:12.080 --> 00:25:12.830
comes to your head.

00:25:12.830 --> 00:25:15.620
And then after a while,
it's just something

00:25:15.620 --> 00:25:16.730
I continued to do.

00:25:16.730 --> 00:25:18.170
And I would either just
sing it in my head.

00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:19.220
Cause you don't
want to sound like

00:25:19.220 --> 00:25:22.010
a lunatic singing
weird lyrics and yeah.

00:25:22.100 --> 00:25:24.470
But, um, luckily
no one else was

00:25:24.470 --> 00:25:26.030
around to listen to

00:25:26.360 --> 00:25:27.770
and you didn't get
attacked by any bears?

00:25:28.190 --> 00:25:28.570
No,

00:25:28.570 --> 00:25:28.780
no.

00:25:28.800 --> 00:25:29.990
I was able, it was
good on that one.

00:25:31.130 --> 00:25:31.520
Yeah.

00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:32.480
Oh great.

00:25:32.780 --> 00:25:32.930
Yeah.

00:25:33.760 --> 00:25:34.680
I definitely use it.

00:25:34.890 --> 00:25:37.260
I think they should,
maybe, maybe people

00:25:37.260 --> 00:25:39.270
have studied it maybe
is a technique of a,

00:25:39.360 --> 00:25:41.280
like a mind mantra.

00:25:41.310 --> 00:25:41.850
Yeah.

00:25:41.910 --> 00:25:42.450
I don't know.

00:25:42.630 --> 00:25:44.940
But also I'd like to
daydream about the

00:25:44.940 --> 00:25:47.280
end result of what I
was going to achieve.

00:25:47.280 --> 00:25:49.260
If I passed that's
enough, a big factor

00:25:49.260 --> 00:25:50.820
that I used when I
was a Royal Marine,

00:25:50.850 --> 00:25:52.920
like actually getting
presented with my beret

00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:56.220
and then in selection, I
would always think about

00:25:56.430 --> 00:25:57.480
what the end goal is.

00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:58.860
And that would be
another daydream that

00:25:58.860 --> 00:26:00.360
I'll go deep into.

00:26:00.690 --> 00:26:01.890
And I still do
this all the time.

00:26:03.030 --> 00:26:06.240
That's um, you know,
being able to focus on

00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.220
that end goal to make
it happen, they call it

00:26:08.220 --> 00:26:09.480
like manifest destiny.

00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:11.100
You think about it'll
end up happening.

00:26:11.760 --> 00:26:14.310
Um, some people agree
or disagree, but from

00:26:14.310 --> 00:26:18.000
the psychological
perseverance factor, I

00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:19.080
think that's massive.

00:26:19.230 --> 00:26:21.150
That's a, uh,
it's interesting.

00:26:21.540 --> 00:26:21.900
So.

00:26:22.815 --> 00:26:26.085
When you're you didn't
do the jungle phase,

00:26:26.685 --> 00:26:27.675
uh, jungle phase.

00:26:27.675 --> 00:26:29.325
How long does that
usually last it's about

00:26:29.335 --> 00:26:30.495
month, roughly.

00:26:30.495 --> 00:26:30.765
Yeah.

00:26:31.005 --> 00:26:33.495
So we did an SOP phase.

00:26:33.495 --> 00:26:36.405
So in the Hills,
you're tested on your

00:26:36.435 --> 00:26:38.685
mindset and a little
bit of navigation, but

00:26:38.685 --> 00:26:40.815
mainly it's physical
fitness and your

00:26:40.815 --> 00:26:42.195
robustness as a soldier.

00:26:42.435 --> 00:26:44.235
And then when you
go to the jungle, my

00:26:44.235 --> 00:26:46.875
face was the SOP phase
was held in the UK.

00:26:47.055 --> 00:26:49.545
You're tested on your
soldier and skills and

00:26:49.845 --> 00:26:50.895
how you work in a team.

00:26:51.435 --> 00:26:54.075
Um, but also a bit of
it's arduous as well.

00:26:54.165 --> 00:26:58.455
Um, so I was doing stuff
like jungle Joe's in the

00:26:58.455 --> 00:27:00.765
UK and stuff, but I did
mine in November, so it

00:27:00.765 --> 00:27:03.555
was pretty cold and we
had a small team of guys.

00:27:04.335 --> 00:27:06.075
So the point that you
is bringing up just

00:27:06.075 --> 00:27:09.945
now we did one activity
whilst in the field,

00:27:09.945 --> 00:27:12.795
which was, uh, which
was one of the hardest

00:27:12.795 --> 00:27:14.625
things I've done, but
it came out of nowhere.

00:27:15.015 --> 00:27:17.145
Um, so we did a river
crossing, which is a

00:27:17.145 --> 00:27:19.695
normal thing to do in the
Royal Marines, but the

00:27:19.695 --> 00:27:22.485
idea was just to get you
and your kit soaking wet.

00:27:22.845 --> 00:27:23.715
And it was November.

00:27:23.715 --> 00:27:25.125
So it was freezing.

00:27:25.125 --> 00:27:26.955
There was like
ice on the floor.

00:27:27.315 --> 00:27:30.495
So we did this, uh, river
cross in around 6:00 PM.

00:27:30.525 --> 00:27:32.085
After other
training, we'd been

00:27:32.085 --> 00:27:32.895
doing other stuff.

00:27:33.285 --> 00:27:35.145
And then we got out
and then they had this

00:27:35.145 --> 00:27:39.195
massive, um, this massive
block, which was, I don't

00:27:39.195 --> 00:27:42.165
know how much weight,
maybe 200 pounds or more,

00:27:42.435 --> 00:27:43.755
and at the straps on it.

00:27:43.755 --> 00:27:45.675
And we'd used
it in exercises.

00:27:45.735 --> 00:27:48.035
And they said it was
a WMD, but it was just

00:27:48.045 --> 00:27:51.285
like for messing us
around buses, basically,

00:27:51.285 --> 00:27:53.715
it's just a heavy,
heavy, big metal.

00:27:54.795 --> 00:27:56.445
Box with straps on it.

00:27:56.865 --> 00:27:58.784
And uh, they said,
alright, pick it up.

00:27:58.815 --> 00:28:00.915
We also had our
Bergens and field kits.

00:28:00.915 --> 00:28:02.625
So our Bergens and
everything was heavy

00:28:02.625 --> 00:28:04.875
as it was and rifles
and everything.

00:28:05.175 --> 00:28:07.145
So we picked it up
and it started around.

00:28:07.185 --> 00:28:08.445
I remember looking
at my watch, started

00:28:08.445 --> 00:28:10.665
around 7:00 PM and they
said, right, you've got

00:28:10.665 --> 00:28:13.605
carry this, uh, to the
next grid coordinate.

00:28:13.665 --> 00:28:15.345
And this is
it off you go.

00:28:15.375 --> 00:28:17.745
So there was six
of us at this time.

00:28:17.955 --> 00:28:19.665
So two of us could have
a rest, but they were

00:28:19.675 --> 00:28:22.065
still running with the
Bergen and everything.

00:28:22.625 --> 00:28:25.875
And so we started at
seven and we, we we'd go.

00:28:25.935 --> 00:28:27.885
And I remember lifting
it first and thinking,

00:28:28.274 --> 00:28:30.045
oh, wow, this is heavy.

00:28:30.405 --> 00:28:33.675
And we literally run
about dunno 30 meters

00:28:33.705 --> 00:28:36.825
and then have to stop
and then run 30 meters

00:28:36.825 --> 00:28:38.595
and then have to stop
because of the weight

00:28:38.595 --> 00:28:40.575
of it was putting
our shoulders down.

00:28:40.925 --> 00:28:43.245
And then we'd get in a
system where we rotated.

00:28:43.575 --> 00:28:45.855
So that went for a
couple of hours and we

00:28:45.855 --> 00:28:48.135
kept getting to this
next grid reference.

00:28:48.135 --> 00:28:50.879
And then the guy would
say, next one, Oh, if

00:28:50.889 --> 00:28:52.320
you go, we kept doing it.

00:28:52.770 --> 00:28:55.879
So then four hours went
past and it was the

00:28:55.879 --> 00:28:59.129
middle of the night and
then six hours went past

00:28:59.970 --> 00:29:02.490
and then it turns out
we did it for 12 hours.

00:29:04.320 --> 00:29:04.679
Yeah.

00:29:05.010 --> 00:29:06.750
And it went into
the morning, like

00:29:06.750 --> 00:29:07.740
seven in the morning.

00:29:07.860 --> 00:29:10.439
And then we had to,
uh, have a whole day

00:29:10.439 --> 00:29:12.480
of like break contacts
and which is a very

00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:13.889
arduous activity anyway.

00:29:13.949 --> 00:29:16.169
And, and very, you
have to think about a

00:29:16.169 --> 00:29:18.300
lot when you're like
breaking away from the

00:29:18.300 --> 00:29:19.409
enemy fire and maneuver.

00:29:19.409 --> 00:29:21.689
And, um, so there
was things like that,

00:29:22.679 --> 00:29:24.929
that you didn't know
when the end was kind

00:29:24.929 --> 00:29:27.060
of be, and it was a
psychological test.

00:29:27.060 --> 00:29:29.250
And also on the exercise,
they gave us one ration

00:29:29.250 --> 00:29:31.500
pack for one day and
we were out there

00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:33.659
on this part of the
exercise was a seven

00:29:33.659 --> 00:29:35.129
day out in the field.

00:29:35.550 --> 00:29:38.370
Um, and then now give us
little bits of food after

00:29:38.370 --> 00:29:42.240
a few days, but we were
very, um, weak as well.

00:29:42.750 --> 00:29:44.850
We didn't have much foods
that it was, it was,

00:29:44.850 --> 00:29:47.399
uh, that was one of the
hardest aspects actually.

00:29:48.345 --> 00:29:50.505
It's an unusual
one because there

00:29:50.505 --> 00:29:52.335
was no tactical
advantage of that.

00:29:52.365 --> 00:29:54.465
It was just, let's
see, who's going to

00:29:54.465 --> 00:29:56.925
break or basically
put them into this

00:29:56.925 --> 00:29:59.385
mindset where they're
extremely fatigued and

00:29:59.385 --> 00:30:00.915
then we're going to
test them as a soldier.

00:30:01.785 --> 00:30:03.105
I think that
was the purpose.

00:30:03.465 --> 00:30:05.505
So they say that which
doesn't kill you,

00:30:05.505 --> 00:30:06.435
makes you stronger.

00:30:06.465 --> 00:30:06.855
Right.

00:30:07.425 --> 00:30:09.045
But not
necessarily, right.

00:30:09.045 --> 00:30:10.575
I mean, you can be
poisoning a person

00:30:10.575 --> 00:30:12.345
and slowly over time
they might not be

00:30:12.345 --> 00:30:14.055
dead, but they might
not be stronger.

00:30:14.055 --> 00:30:14.415
Right.

00:30:15.015 --> 00:30:20.385
Um, I think that there's
how you, how your body

00:30:20.385 --> 00:30:22.395
responds to the, uh,
the hardship and then

00:30:22.395 --> 00:30:24.255
how your mind responds
to the hardship is

00:30:24.255 --> 00:30:26.955
what can eventually
make you stronger?

00:30:27.075 --> 00:30:29.355
Did you find that some
people were unable

00:30:29.355 --> 00:30:30.225
to cope with that?

00:30:30.225 --> 00:30:33.555
And eventually now
they're carrying

00:30:33.555 --> 00:30:35.655
with them that
the psychological,

00:30:36.045 --> 00:30:37.065
um, harder.

00:30:38.280 --> 00:30:40.169
Ongoing or is you

00:30:40.169 --> 00:30:42.570
mean people that passed
or people that failed?

00:30:42.860 --> 00:30:42.960
Well,

00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:44.790
I guess maybe,
or maybe both.

00:30:44.879 --> 00:30:46.800
I mean like the people
that failed and I

00:30:46.800 --> 00:30:48.750
know some people have
gone through and have

00:30:49.080 --> 00:30:50.970
been unsuccessful at
selection and it took

00:30:50.970 --> 00:30:52.500
a long time for them
to get their heads

00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:53.550
squared around that one.

00:30:53.550 --> 00:30:55.679
Cause they felt,
uh, poorly about it.

00:30:56.159 --> 00:30:59.895
Um, But as well, some
people who've been

00:30:59.895 --> 00:31:02.025
successful with it that
have gone through and,

00:31:02.775 --> 00:31:06.735
uh, some people have,
uh, absolutely loved

00:31:06.735 --> 00:31:07.575
their experiences.

00:31:07.575 --> 00:31:09.225
And some people look back
and say, I wish I did

00:31:09.225 --> 00:31:09.975
something differently.

00:31:11.655 --> 00:31:13.395
I think the pendulum
swings both ways.

00:31:13.395 --> 00:31:16.545
Cause I remember seeing
a lot of soldiers with me

00:31:16.545 --> 00:31:20.055
and I was, I missed the
whole Afghan sort of ops.

00:31:20.085 --> 00:31:22.245
So I was in a, I
was a corporal.

00:31:22.245 --> 00:31:24.045
So I was quite
established and I was

00:31:24.045 --> 00:31:26.205
experienced in soldier
in, I hadn't done

00:31:26.265 --> 00:31:28.095
an actual operation
and there's a whole

00:31:28.095 --> 00:31:30.015
generation of us now
that have haven't

00:31:30.165 --> 00:31:31.215
had that experience.

00:31:31.545 --> 00:31:33.945
But there were guys
in my, uh, selection

00:31:34.155 --> 00:31:37.365
who had had like three
or four tours of mix

00:31:37.365 --> 00:31:38.535
of Afghan and Iraq.

00:31:38.535 --> 00:31:40.455
And there's one guy in
particular who was one

00:31:40.455 --> 00:31:43.095
of the most switched
on proficient soldiers

00:31:43.095 --> 00:31:47.055
I've ever worked with,
uh, met, but he was

00:31:47.055 --> 00:31:47.805
a little bit older.

00:31:48.345 --> 00:31:49.515
Um, so he at the moment.

00:31:50.490 --> 00:31:53.070
Obviously, but his
body wasn't holding up

00:31:53.100 --> 00:31:55.590
anymore through the Hills
and everything else.

00:31:55.590 --> 00:31:58.380
So he found cause of
injuries and this is

00:31:58.380 --> 00:31:59.970
a common occurrence.

00:32:00.450 --> 00:32:03.030
Um, so he, he was
exceptionally skilled,

00:32:03.090 --> 00:32:04.770
but his body just
couldn't take it,

00:32:04.770 --> 00:32:07.440
but he was only like
31 at that time.

00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:08.700
And I was a lot younger.

00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:09.210
Right.

00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.790
Um, so you do lose a
lot of people because

00:32:11.790 --> 00:32:15.720
of that, the physical,
like smashing that you

00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.970
take, but in terms of
if people actually, um,

00:32:21.030 --> 00:32:23.610
psychologically affected
from it, I think you just

00:32:23.610 --> 00:32:24.930
take the positive side.

00:32:25.050 --> 00:32:26.730
That's the part
of the purpose.

00:32:26.730 --> 00:32:29.130
Cause you go through
all that then, and then

00:32:29.130 --> 00:32:30.990
the next time you're
in the situation like,

00:32:30.990 --> 00:32:32.190
well, this is easy.

00:32:32.250 --> 00:32:33.900
Cause I've already
been through not

00:32:33.930 --> 00:32:35.220
eating for four days.

00:32:35.490 --> 00:32:35.730
Right.

00:32:35.730 --> 00:32:38.850
It's still operating
with no sleep over

00:32:38.850 --> 00:32:41.070
those free days or
something as well.

00:32:41.490 --> 00:32:44.370
Um, so yeah, it's
good to go through the

00:32:44.370 --> 00:32:45.660
hardship if you want.

00:32:45.810 --> 00:32:47.280
Uh, the best soldier
at the end of.

00:32:48.415 --> 00:32:49.544
The selection

00:32:49.544 --> 00:32:50.145
process.

00:32:50.415 --> 00:32:51.764
So you're watching
the clock.

00:32:51.764 --> 00:32:53.145
You're looking at
your watch as you

00:32:53.145 --> 00:32:53.925
go through there.

00:32:53.925 --> 00:32:55.905
Seven o'clock
and here we go.

00:32:56.834 --> 00:32:59.534
Did you find the minutes
to start dragging on or?

00:33:00.135 --> 00:33:00.314
Well,

00:33:00.314 --> 00:33:03.284
I, I, it was, so this
thing was so heavy

00:33:03.435 --> 00:33:06.794
that we, at the end,
we could do like five,

00:33:06.794 --> 00:33:09.465
six steps and then
nearly collapsing.

00:33:09.675 --> 00:33:11.595
And I just thought,
oh, we're going to do

00:33:11.595 --> 00:33:12.645
this for a few hours.

00:33:12.945 --> 00:33:15.764
They simply can't go
further than a few hours

00:33:15.764 --> 00:33:17.235
because this is so heavy.

00:33:17.235 --> 00:33:19.814
Like, we can't move
it, it's taken so long

00:33:20.235 --> 00:33:24.334
and it just kept going
and going, and we

00:33:24.334 --> 00:33:26.145
weren't really allowed
to talk to each other.

00:33:26.145 --> 00:33:27.314
So it was just
like catching

00:33:27.314 --> 00:33:28.155
glimpses of people.

00:33:28.155 --> 00:33:30.284
Like, is this for real?

00:33:30.284 --> 00:33:31.425
We're just going
to keep going.

00:33:31.455 --> 00:33:36.165
Like, and later in that
actual course, um, cause

00:33:36.165 --> 00:33:38.145
we do a lot of amphibious
stuff and Klepper

00:33:38.145 --> 00:33:40.905
is like a two person
kayak that we used.

00:33:41.235 --> 00:33:42.495
It was actually
later on that same

00:33:42.495 --> 00:33:43.605
exercise we had.

00:33:44.550 --> 00:33:46.020
CLA build this Klepper.

00:33:46.169 --> 00:33:48.030
We have to carry it
on your back as well.

00:33:48.330 --> 00:33:52.050
Part of that, and then
paddle out quite far,

00:33:52.379 --> 00:33:57.179
and then back in, uh,
to like the, the base.

00:33:57.629 --> 00:33:59.370
Um, and when we came
back in from the

00:33:59.370 --> 00:34:01.919
base, a few lads had
actually gone down.

00:34:02.230 --> 00:34:04.050
Three of them,
had a hypothermia

00:34:04.050 --> 00:34:06.120
and stuff and they
failed because of it.

00:34:06.540 --> 00:34:10.620
Um, and I don't know,
these people didn't have

00:34:10.620 --> 00:34:13.290
so much meat on them
and stuff, but they were

00:34:13.290 --> 00:34:15.299
extremely fit and they
would all, they already

00:34:15.299 --> 00:34:17.759
passed Hills phase and
they'd already done

00:34:17.759 --> 00:34:19.739
some very extreme stuff.

00:34:20.100 --> 00:34:23.279
I think it was a bit
questionable in my

00:34:23.279 --> 00:34:25.679
mind why they needed to
fail because it wasn't

00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.850
their mind that failed.

00:34:26.909 --> 00:34:28.710
They got to the
end, it was their

00:34:28.710 --> 00:34:29.670
body that failed.

00:34:29.699 --> 00:34:30.870
But yeah,

00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.400
it's gotta be rough.

00:34:32.610 --> 00:34:33.089
Yeah.

00:34:33.150 --> 00:34:34.319
That'd be rough
putting yourself

00:34:34.319 --> 00:34:36.120
through all of that
only to find out that.

00:34:36.989 --> 00:34:40.210
You're hypothermic just
based on yeah, yeah.

00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:41.009
To fit.

00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:43.259
Yeah, exactly.

00:34:43.259 --> 00:34:46.290
And a lot of people do
get to the end of these

00:34:46.290 --> 00:34:48.389
phases, especially the
jungle and the stories

00:34:48.389 --> 00:34:50.520
come out from the guys
that went to the jungle.

00:34:50.909 --> 00:34:53.909
They get to the end
and then you get what's

00:34:53.909 --> 00:34:55.199
called a stand up fail.

00:34:55.290 --> 00:34:58.170
And that site, the
DS, the training team

00:34:58.170 --> 00:35:01.170
say, we don't like you
basically, or there's

00:35:01.170 --> 00:35:03.089
something you did a
long time ago in week.

00:35:03.089 --> 00:35:06.630
One of this, that's
a red flag and you're

00:35:06.630 --> 00:35:09.660
out, but we let you
go to the end because,

00:35:09.839 --> 00:35:11.400
because we're assholes.

00:35:12.600 --> 00:35:13.319
Exactly.

00:35:13.770 --> 00:35:15.900
Um, and a lot of
people do get failed

00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:17.220
on their personality.

00:35:17.460 --> 00:35:20.279
Um, because in, in the
Hills phase, you're

00:35:20.279 --> 00:35:22.290
just a number, but when
you've moved further

00:35:22.290 --> 00:35:24.569
down the line, then you
start, they looking at

00:35:24.569 --> 00:35:25.620
you as an individual.

00:35:25.710 --> 00:35:27.180
Um, the type of
person you are now.

00:35:28.020 --> 00:35:29.070
Work under pressure.

00:35:29.340 --> 00:35:31.200
And there's certain
attributes, which

00:35:31.230 --> 00:35:32.100
they don't tell you.

00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:33.450
I don't even know
what they are.

00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:35.760
Um, but if you tick
one of those boxes

00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.680
you're gone and
there's obviously a

00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:39.930
lot thought and there's
reason behind it.

00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:43.500
Um, yeah, selfishness
is one of the main

00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.390
ones, um, and integrity.

00:35:45.390 --> 00:35:48.420
I know for a fact,
so integrity in the

00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:50.310
military, especially in
the Royal Marines, is,

00:35:50.310 --> 00:35:52.710
is one of the biggest
aspects that you could

00:35:52.770 --> 00:35:56.910
take in and any sort of
line or deception, uh,

00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:59.430
you be in a bad place.

00:35:59.430 --> 00:36:01.920
If you get found out,
have not been truthful.

00:36:03.030 --> 00:36:05.190
And that's, uh,
that's something I can

00:36:05.190 --> 00:36:06.090
definitely get behind.

00:36:06.600 --> 00:36:09.780
I, uh, you know, anybody
working at silver Cortel

00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:12.000
and the same thing,
you know, if you make

00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.040
a mistake, that's okay.

00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.050
People make mistakes
happens all the time.

00:36:16.290 --> 00:36:18.900
I will take a look at
what we can do to fix it.

00:36:18.900 --> 00:36:19.860
So it doesn't
happen again.

00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:21.630
And if that mistake keeps
happening over and over

00:36:21.630 --> 00:36:22.770
again, then maybe we're
going to have to have a

00:36:22.770 --> 00:36:24.480
chat to see why that is.

00:36:25.530 --> 00:36:26.760
If you lie about.

00:36:27.795 --> 00:36:31.065
What you're doing, or for
whatever reason, create a

00:36:31.545 --> 00:36:35.055
situation where you can't
be trusted, that's it?

00:36:35.295 --> 00:36:37.575
Because I've got no time
to be around people that

00:36:37.575 --> 00:36:38.505
you just can't trust.

00:36:38.535 --> 00:36:40.485
I have no problem with
people make mistakes

00:36:40.485 --> 00:36:42.645
and I, and I can a
hundred percent get

00:36:42.645 --> 00:36:43.605
behind that as well.

00:36:43.995 --> 00:36:45.285
But I find it
interesting.

00:36:46.335 --> 00:36:50.235
Now you've got a special
forces individual who's

00:36:50.235 --> 00:36:54.345
going to be required
to be deceptive in

00:36:54.985 --> 00:36:59.415
escape and evasion type
situations or to, uh,

00:36:59.655 --> 00:37:04.185
essentially, um, be
the gray man and bend

00:37:04.365 --> 00:37:05.925
sort of societal norms.

00:37:06.135 --> 00:37:06.515
Yeah.

00:37:07.365 --> 00:37:08.565
How does that work?

00:37:09.015 --> 00:37:12.045
Uh, well, you still
loyalty your sides

00:37:12.045 --> 00:37:12.795
and your team.

00:37:12.944 --> 00:37:14.654
So yeah, there's
always like the

00:37:14.654 --> 00:37:15.915
enemy in yourselves.

00:37:16.365 --> 00:37:16.725
Yeah.

00:37:16.725 --> 00:37:20.325
Integrity is, is, is
such an important part

00:37:20.325 --> 00:37:22.214
of being a soldier in
general, but in the

00:37:22.214 --> 00:37:25.245
special forces would
be even higher than

00:37:25.245 --> 00:37:27.555
that because the things
that you're taught and

00:37:27.585 --> 00:37:31.214
you learn can really
jeopardize, uh, larger

00:37:31.214 --> 00:37:35.535
scale operations and even
diplomatic relations.

00:37:35.835 --> 00:37:37.935
Um, so yeah, I dunno.

00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:42.150
Do they do, I, I remember
reading about a bit of

00:37:42.150 --> 00:37:43.440
an interrogation phase.

00:37:43.890 --> 00:37:44.759
Did you have
we go through

00:37:44.759 --> 00:37:45.330
something like that?

00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:45.720
Yeah.

00:37:45.779 --> 00:37:46.500
Yeah, you do.

00:37:46.590 --> 00:37:49.680
And it's called CA
um, and it's a, it's a

00:37:49.680 --> 00:37:51.570
course and it's probably
the most knowledge

00:37:51.720 --> 00:37:53.070
knowledgeable course
that I went through.

00:37:53.070 --> 00:37:55.020
That the one that I took
the most from, and it

00:37:55.020 --> 00:37:56.370
was the most interesting.

00:37:56.759 --> 00:37:59.310
And I'd love to do this
sort of training again

00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:03.300
when I wasn't in a
state of like physical

00:38:03.300 --> 00:38:07.470
exhaustion and, uh, like
just weakness because I

00:38:07.470 --> 00:38:08.910
was so like beaten and.

00:38:09.629 --> 00:38:12.569
Deandre, not DRG, but
like malnourished.

00:38:12.629 --> 00:38:14.730
And, uh, my body
was aching and

00:38:14.910 --> 00:38:17.129
everywhere and I was
like sleep deprived.

00:38:17.129 --> 00:38:18.600
And then I was learning
some of the most

00:38:18.629 --> 00:38:20.790
coolest stuff I've ever
learned in my life,

00:38:20.819 --> 00:38:23.430
but I was couldn't
enjoy it, you know?

00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:25.589
Cause I was being tested
all the time and also

00:38:25.589 --> 00:38:26.609
I was so fatigued.

00:38:27.089 --> 00:38:29.100
Um, but I still took
a lot from those,

00:38:29.160 --> 00:38:29.940
that course in

00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:30.480
particular.

00:38:30.600 --> 00:38:32.069
So what did it, are
you able to talk

00:38:32.069 --> 00:38:32.400
about?

00:38:32.580 --> 00:38:34.529
I can talk about
certain things.

00:38:34.620 --> 00:38:37.230
Um, and I know I'll only
talk about it because

00:38:37.230 --> 00:38:39.629
I've heard it on other
podcasts or read it,

00:38:39.660 --> 00:38:40.680
Andy McNabb's book.

00:38:41.850 --> 00:38:44.609
And that was one of the
biggest, um, incidents

00:38:44.609 --> 00:38:46.440
that ever happened to
the, not the British

00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:48.150
medical abortions
when he was his patrol

00:38:48.150 --> 00:38:50.730
was captured and
some of them escaped

00:38:50.730 --> 00:38:51.420
and stuff like that.

00:38:52.379 --> 00:38:52.770
Yeah.

00:38:52.770 --> 00:38:56.115
And that was like, The CA
training that came into

00:38:56.115 --> 00:38:58.215
play, and that's what
the worst case scenario

00:38:58.485 --> 00:38:59.355
for what can happen.

00:38:59.385 --> 00:39:02.415
So you do go through that
and when you come out

00:39:02.415 --> 00:39:06.015
the other end, you have
a lot of good skills and

00:39:06.015 --> 00:39:08.085
drills that you could use
to save your life and,

00:39:08.435 --> 00:39:09.585
and, and stuff like that.

00:39:09.975 --> 00:39:10.515
Uh,

00:39:10.735 --> 00:39:11.985
still being
rather cryptic.

00:39:11.985 --> 00:39:15.195
So, yeah, because
this is one that is

00:39:15.195 --> 00:39:15.915
drilled into you.

00:39:15.915 --> 00:39:18.045
And also, I never want
to give away anything

00:39:18.045 --> 00:39:21.015
that can damage guys on
the ground, obviously,

00:39:21.795 --> 00:39:24.975
but that there are other
people that we talked

00:39:24.975 --> 00:39:28.025
about ed called her own
and Ed's manifesto, which

00:39:28.025 --> 00:39:30.525
does a lot of the scape
and evasion sort of tools

00:39:30.525 --> 00:39:34.155
and little tactics and
stuff that the cartels

00:39:34.155 --> 00:39:35.175
in Mexico are using.

00:39:35.265 --> 00:39:36.705
Uh, and it's a big
interest of mine.

00:39:36.705 --> 00:39:38.295
I love all that
sort of stuff.

00:39:39.075 --> 00:39:41.295
And I carry, I learned
some things in my

00:39:41.295 --> 00:39:43.685
course that I carry
with me and, and.

00:39:44.955 --> 00:39:46.695
Do you use should
that worst case

00:39:46.695 --> 00:39:47.595
scenario happen?

00:39:47.625 --> 00:39:49.605
Cause I do close
protection now and

00:39:49.695 --> 00:39:50.655
not body garden.

00:39:50.985 --> 00:39:53.865
Um, if I ever was ever
kidnapped or ever, like

00:39:53.925 --> 00:39:57.345
if I was ever tied up
plastic cuffed, then

00:39:57.855 --> 00:40:00.375
some there's some good
things that, to use that,

00:40:00.435 --> 00:40:04.095
to get out of that, um,
that I would recommend.

00:40:04.095 --> 00:40:05.835
And I know we discussed
this on, I'm going to

00:40:05.835 --> 00:40:08.625
stop making products
that people can use

00:40:08.655 --> 00:40:11.055
maybe even for solo
travelers, but also in

00:40:11.055 --> 00:40:12.195
the security industry.

00:40:12.495 --> 00:40:15.915
Uh, there's a need for
having some like CF

00:40:15.915 --> 00:40:19.335
type tools to escape
from situations.

00:40:19.665 --> 00:40:21.345
If you're in the
worst case scenario.

00:40:22.515 --> 00:40:24.915
And no, we, um, w we
talked about those

00:40:24.915 --> 00:40:27.015
para cord bracelets
that were all the rage

00:40:27.015 --> 00:40:28.045
at one point in time.

00:40:28.045 --> 00:40:28.755
And I

00:40:28.755 --> 00:40:30.675
did have friends
that were in those.

00:40:30.735 --> 00:40:31.605
I never had one

00:40:31.605 --> 00:40:32.085
myself.

00:40:32.145 --> 00:40:34.185
No, I've never had,
what am I remember?

00:40:34.185 --> 00:40:35.475
The, uh, it was a meme.

00:40:35.775 --> 00:40:38.165
They had a, this
cartoon character, and

00:40:38.165 --> 00:40:39.525
he's thinking about
all these cool things

00:40:39.525 --> 00:40:41.295
he can do with his
para cord bracelet.

00:40:41.715 --> 00:40:44.085
He's locked in prison
and he's using it to

00:40:44.145 --> 00:40:46.755
cut through bars and
abs sail out the window

00:40:46.755 --> 00:40:48.465
and use it to fish.

00:40:49.215 --> 00:40:50.625
And then it showed
the reality and his

00:40:50.625 --> 00:40:51.315
friends were like, huh.

00:40:51.585 --> 00:40:52.575
So you wear a
bracelet now.

00:40:52.605 --> 00:40:52.755
Huh?

00:40:53.355 --> 00:40:53.805
That's cool.

00:40:53.805 --> 00:40:54.225
I guess

00:40:55.215 --> 00:40:56.115
it's tactical

00:40:56.115 --> 00:40:57.435
bracelet to go.

00:40:57.675 --> 00:40:59.745
So, so what sort
of CA tools would,

00:40:59.745 --> 00:41:00.735
uh, would you

00:41:00.735 --> 00:41:01.125
promote?

00:41:01.335 --> 00:41:03.915
Well, the most effective
tool that I ever

00:41:04.005 --> 00:41:05.835
experienced, which I
carry with me when I'm

00:41:05.835 --> 00:41:08.865
working all the time
is a Kevlar cord in a

00:41:08.865 --> 00:41:11.325
way, because I don't
want to give out like

00:41:11.355 --> 00:41:13.395
handcuff escape things
because criminals are

00:41:13.395 --> 00:41:14.235
out there using these.

00:41:14.445 --> 00:41:17.174
And that's another
aspect, you know, Feed

00:41:17.234 --> 00:41:20.024
the criminal criminal
people out there more,

00:41:20.475 --> 00:41:22.904
uh, cause they actually
obviously go and buy

00:41:22.904 --> 00:41:24.765
these products, watch
the train in and,

00:41:24.955 --> 00:41:27.794
and I'm sure they do
for ads manifesto to.

00:41:28.830 --> 00:41:32.220
But mine most effective
would be if I was going

00:41:32.220 --> 00:41:36.540
to get plastic AFT tape
restrain with tape or

00:41:36.570 --> 00:41:39.990
rope, and then this,
these Kevlar chords

00:41:40.230 --> 00:41:43.049
two loops and then a
string, and it can be

00:41:43.080 --> 00:41:44.460
folded up very small.

00:41:45.180 --> 00:41:48.240
And then you can just use
your feet in a bicycle

00:41:48.240 --> 00:41:51.330
motion around, and it
just cuts through those

00:41:51.390 --> 00:41:54.540
things apart from metal,
obviously, and for people

00:41:54.540 --> 00:41:57.570
solo travelers or anyone
traveling to a high risk

00:41:57.570 --> 00:42:01.320
areas and for security
workers, I think this

00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:02.160
is a very good tool.

00:42:02.160 --> 00:42:04.560
So I'm going to be
trying I'm experiment

00:42:04.560 --> 00:42:07.440
in at the moment, um, in
a way that, cause also

00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.380
it's not metal, so you
can carry it when you

00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:13.410
go on airplanes around
and it would also be

00:42:13.410 --> 00:42:14.460
a good survival tool.

00:42:14.490 --> 00:42:17.009
It could be great to see.

00:42:17.009 --> 00:42:19.920
It would be very good for
that if we ever had to.

00:42:20.130 --> 00:42:20.580
Yes.

00:42:22.710 --> 00:42:27.930
Um, that's funny, you
know, I think, I think

00:42:27.930 --> 00:42:29.850
there's definitely
something to be said for,

00:42:29.850 --> 00:42:33.480
um, having the tools,
but also having the, the

00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.060
knowledge and the mind
to be able to adapt to

00:42:36.060 --> 00:42:41.430
the situations and, um,
use what you have around

00:42:41.430 --> 00:42:43.830
you or use what you
brought with you in, and

00:42:43.830 --> 00:42:45.240
sort of alternate ways.

00:42:45.390 --> 00:42:49.049
And, you know, I, I
remember years ago I

00:42:49.049 --> 00:42:52.799
worked for, um, cable
company, I guess we

00:42:52.799 --> 00:42:54.750
had, I think it was
Telus and Shaw or

00:42:54.750 --> 00:42:56.370
something, whatever
it was that we had.

00:42:56.370 --> 00:42:59.370
And Shaw came over
over from back east and

00:43:00.600 --> 00:43:03.810
decided to offer the
cable TV for everyone.

00:43:03.810 --> 00:43:05.819
And so I got hired
and I'm supposed to

00:43:05.819 --> 00:43:07.500
be doing audits and I
got to go around and I

00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:09.270
got to check to see if
people are essentially

00:43:09.270 --> 00:43:10.200
stealing cable.

00:43:10.650 --> 00:43:13.470
And if they are, then
I got to try and upsell

00:43:13.470 --> 00:43:14.850
them or disconnect them.

00:43:15.839 --> 00:43:18.509
And when you have to
do apartment blocks,

00:43:18.720 --> 00:43:21.240
they, you got to drive
downtown Vancouver.

00:43:21.975 --> 00:43:23.505
Pick up a big
set of keys.

00:43:23.565 --> 00:43:24.975
And then you got your
list of all the places

00:43:24.975 --> 00:43:27.134
you gotta go to and you
get into the apartments

00:43:27.134 --> 00:43:30.795
and you get into the,
uh, um, into the,

00:43:30.795 --> 00:43:33.285
uh, the cable rooms,
the electrical rooms.

00:43:33.285 --> 00:43:35.955
And I thought, man, I'm
wasting a lot of time

00:43:35.955 --> 00:43:37.875
driving all the way down
to Vancouver, then off

00:43:37.875 --> 00:43:40.245
to go to either Richmond
or Delta or wherever

00:43:40.245 --> 00:43:41.415
in and do these things.

00:43:42.645 --> 00:43:43.904
I'll just bring
lockpicks with me.

00:43:44.355 --> 00:43:44.735
I hate.

00:43:44.745 --> 00:43:47.865
And so I was got
very good at just

00:43:48.015 --> 00:43:49.904
picking the locks as
allowed to be there as

00:43:49.904 --> 00:43:50.895
permitted to be there.

00:43:50.895 --> 00:43:53.205
I wasn't doing anything
untowards or illegal

00:43:53.924 --> 00:43:58.555
and, uh, ended up making
my own key sets for,

00:43:58.555 --> 00:43:59.924
uh, the internal locks.

00:43:59.924 --> 00:44:03.045
I thought, well, the
alloy, as well as, uh,

00:44:03.105 --> 00:44:05.115
what was the other one,
the ACE, uh, that you'll

00:44:05.115 --> 00:44:08.265
find on the outside and
you start to get this

00:44:08.325 --> 00:44:12.375
sort of, uh, Pigeon
hole and this narrow

00:44:12.464 --> 00:44:13.455
frame of reference.

00:44:13.455 --> 00:44:15.165
And I would just walk
up and open the picks

00:44:15.165 --> 00:44:17.444
and I picked my way
in and here I go.

00:44:17.475 --> 00:44:19.575
And sometimes you're
working on a lock

00:44:19.575 --> 00:44:21.255
for a while and
like, huh, come on.

00:44:21.255 --> 00:44:22.455
Maybe it would've
been smarter to go.

00:44:23.145 --> 00:44:29.025
And I realized that when
you have that skill set

00:44:29.025 --> 00:44:31.605
and you have the, uh,
the knowledge, you have

00:44:31.605 --> 00:44:34.095
to always, always be
open to alternate ways.

00:44:34.095 --> 00:44:35.475
Cause I remember
working on one for a

00:44:35.475 --> 00:44:38.234
while only to realize
I could probably reach

00:44:38.265 --> 00:44:40.365
my arm around on this
one thing through a

00:44:40.365 --> 00:44:42.165
little mail slot and
just open the door.

00:44:42.194 --> 00:44:42.944
Oh, there you go.

00:44:42.944 --> 00:44:43.484
And I'm in.

00:44:43.755 --> 00:44:45.975
So I had to completely
readdress how I

00:44:46.185 --> 00:44:47.085
for speed sake.

00:44:47.085 --> 00:44:48.944
So I get the job
done, how I approach

00:44:48.944 --> 00:44:51.134
these things and I'd
always put the tools.

00:44:51.134 --> 00:44:51.585
Second.

00:44:51.615 --> 00:44:53.115
Is there a fast
way I can get in?

00:44:53.115 --> 00:44:54.855
It's just somebody going
in through another door

00:44:54.855 --> 00:44:57.464
and I can just scoot
in behind them or is

00:44:57.464 --> 00:45:00.134
there, um, can I reach
around the corner?

00:45:00.165 --> 00:45:03.134
Can I, can I just get a
little, uh, uh, I forget

00:45:03.134 --> 00:45:05.444
what they call it made
this little sort of slim

00:45:05.444 --> 00:45:06.944
Jim type thing a shove.

00:45:06.944 --> 00:45:07.065
It.

00:45:08.355 --> 00:45:08.925
Anyways.

00:45:08.925 --> 00:45:09.285
Yummy.

00:45:09.365 --> 00:45:10.035
Yeah.

00:45:10.185 --> 00:45:10.635
Yeah.

00:45:11.385 --> 00:45:11.565
Yeah.

00:45:11.595 --> 00:45:13.695
It's quite a niche
that was skilled at

00:45:13.755 --> 00:45:16.005
lockpicking and it
takes a lot of time.

00:45:16.125 --> 00:45:17.715
I don't know you must've
got quite good at it

00:45:17.925 --> 00:45:20.115
and it's also quite
satisfying thing.

00:45:21.765 --> 00:45:22.095
Yeah.

00:45:22.605 --> 00:45:24.615
So I was trying to
practice practicing at

00:45:24.615 --> 00:45:26.535
home and my parents'
house and the doors

00:45:26.535 --> 00:45:27.165
and the front doors.

00:45:27.165 --> 00:45:28.845
I managed to get
them, but I wouldn't

00:45:28.845 --> 00:45:30.645
be a good burglar.

00:45:30.765 --> 00:45:33.675
I'd have to allocate
two hours to get in.

00:45:33.975 --> 00:45:34.275
Well,

00:45:34.575 --> 00:45:36.255
you know, sometimes
you're in bang

00:45:36.255 --> 00:45:38.625
lickety-split sometimes
you're just taking

00:45:38.625 --> 00:45:42.195
a while and that's
where, um, being

00:45:42.195 --> 00:45:44.235
able to laterally
look at problems.

00:45:44.505 --> 00:45:46.095
Sometimes it's just a
matter of jumping up

00:45:46.095 --> 00:45:49.415
to the second floor
and getting in, but.

00:45:50.730 --> 00:45:53.100
Uh, you have on the
lockpicking side, I,

00:45:53.339 --> 00:45:54.089
I could hold my own.

00:45:54.120 --> 00:45:56.399
It was a hobby started
when I was in grade four.

00:45:56.669 --> 00:45:59.339
I learned it then, and
then I would always play

00:45:59.339 --> 00:46:01.020
around with it, got into
a little bit of trouble

00:46:01.020 --> 00:46:04.950
in my youth, uh, with it
and then learned how not

00:46:04.950 --> 00:46:06.629
to get in trouble and the
right way to do things.

00:46:06.629 --> 00:46:06.810
So,

00:46:07.839 --> 00:46:07.910
yeah.

00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:08.339
Yeah.

00:46:08.370 --> 00:46:10.319
I've I used one of
those little guns at

00:46:10.319 --> 00:46:12.509
one point, you know,
flicks it's didn't

00:46:12.509 --> 00:46:13.379
work too good either.

00:46:14.189 --> 00:46:14.700
No.

00:46:14.700 --> 00:46:16.470
And they, that works
off the bump system.

00:46:16.589 --> 00:46:19.169
So like, if you, if you
think about it, like, um,

00:46:19.350 --> 00:46:21.359
you take three pennies.

00:46:21.779 --> 00:46:23.069
I don't even, we don't
even have pennies

00:46:23.069 --> 00:46:26.160
anymore, three, three
quarters and you put

00:46:26.160 --> 00:46:28.589
them or put two of them
together and you ran

00:46:28.589 --> 00:46:29.580
the third one into it.

00:46:29.580 --> 00:46:31.049
And the one in the
middle stays still and

00:46:31.049 --> 00:46:32.009
the other one goes off.

00:46:32.520 --> 00:46:34.620
That's how those
tend to work.

00:46:34.620 --> 00:46:36.990
And that's where the,
the, the bump key kind

00:46:36.990 --> 00:46:40.200
of been around forever,
but just within the

00:46:40.200 --> 00:46:43.890
last 10 or so years, the
Internet's kind of, yeah.

00:46:43.919 --> 00:46:45.180
Kind of got those
going, but yeah,

00:46:45.180 --> 00:46:45.870
those little guns.

00:46:46.700 --> 00:46:47.029
Yeah,

00:46:47.759 --> 00:46:51.029
I prefer to breach
the door, slow, safe

00:46:51.029 --> 00:46:52.140
manner, to be honest.

00:46:52.170 --> 00:46:53.850
Well, that was
always an opposite.

00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:55.860
I would say that
would be absolutely

00:46:56.160 --> 00:46:57.090
the preferred way to

00:46:57.090 --> 00:46:57.390
do it.

00:46:57.420 --> 00:46:57.540
Yeah.

00:46:57.570 --> 00:46:57.750
Yeah.

00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.000
That's more exciting,
although you're

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.400
going loud, but that
was kind of the job

00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:03.120
that I used to do.

00:47:03.120 --> 00:47:05.820
So loudness
is part of it.

00:47:06.240 --> 00:47:06.900
Very cool.

00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:07.950
Very cool.

00:47:08.310 --> 00:47:09.630
So, all right.

00:47:09.870 --> 00:47:12.210
On the, the line
of, uh, sort of CA

00:47:12.210 --> 00:47:13.620
accessories that you're
talking about, is there

00:47:13.620 --> 00:47:15.300
anything else that
you're, uh, you're

00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:15.810
sort of looking at?

00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:16.509
Uh,

00:47:16.509 --> 00:47:18.930
I, I'm very big on
privacy and personal

00:47:18.930 --> 00:47:21.120
privacy and because
I did work in the

00:47:21.120 --> 00:47:23.460
world of corporate
espionage and there was

00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:25.560
a lot of gray areas I
talked about before.

00:47:25.860 --> 00:47:29.720
Um, and there's a lot
of, uh, like we've

00:47:29.720 --> 00:47:30.509
our cell phones.

00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:33.720
Well I've learned is that
it's compromised and you

00:47:33.720 --> 00:47:35.580
have to assume everything
is compromised.

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.070
And whether you are
worried about the

00:47:38.070 --> 00:47:39.900
government listening
or watching what you're

00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:42.150
doing in some sort
of algorithm setting,

00:47:42.150 --> 00:47:44.460
not an actual person
sitting there in the FBI

00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:47.040
watch new personally,
which is not really the

00:47:47.040 --> 00:47:50.550
reality, or whether you
work in a high business

00:47:50.580 --> 00:47:52.380
sort of setting and
the information that

00:47:52.380 --> 00:47:54.510
you hold and use in the
business meetings you

00:47:54.510 --> 00:47:56.580
have could be beneficial
to a competitor.

00:47:56.820 --> 00:47:58.260
Cause that's sort
of is, is the world

00:47:58.290 --> 00:48:00.300
that, uh, corporate
espionage goes down,

00:48:00.600 --> 00:48:02.610
um, or wherever you are.

00:48:03.405 --> 00:48:05.625
In a sort of marriage
sort of dispute

00:48:05.625 --> 00:48:07.245
and your high net
worth individual.

00:48:07.245 --> 00:48:09.015
Cause that's also the
area that I was working

00:48:09.015 --> 00:48:13.275
in which people paying us
to spy on their spouses

00:48:13.275 --> 00:48:15.675
or someone they're about
to have a divorce with.

00:48:15.705 --> 00:48:18.135
And then, um, they want
custody of the kids

00:48:18.135 --> 00:48:18.975
and stuff like that.

00:48:19.365 --> 00:48:21.435
And you have to look
for different angles

00:48:21.435 --> 00:48:24.285
of what crimes or,
or information could

00:48:24.285 --> 00:48:25.275
benefit your client.

00:48:25.995 --> 00:48:28.305
So, and also for me,
I don't really want.

00:48:28.990 --> 00:48:31.630
My phone watching
my every move and

00:48:31.630 --> 00:48:33.610
then advertising
about things that are

00:48:33.610 --> 00:48:35.680
in my environment,
which is happening.

00:48:35.770 --> 00:48:37.390
Um, and people have been
saying that for many

00:48:37.390 --> 00:48:39.250
years, but it is true.

00:48:39.250 --> 00:48:42.250
And it does listen to
you and it does what

00:48:42.250 --> 00:48:44.260
you and scanned your
facial expressions.

00:48:44.260 --> 00:48:46.540
And we'll go into
this technology world.

00:48:46.780 --> 00:48:48.880
I like to have a hard
switch that in the

00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.430
evenings, I'll put my
phone in a Faraday bag

00:48:51.460 --> 00:48:52.960
for instance, which is a.

00:48:53.819 --> 00:48:55.770
Uh, signal blocking
bag and put it away.

00:48:55.980 --> 00:48:57.240
And that's not
because I think the

00:48:57.240 --> 00:48:59.250
government is listening
to me or anything.

00:48:59.520 --> 00:49:01.470
It's mainly because I
don't want to be hanging

00:49:01.470 --> 00:49:04.590
off my phone all the time
when I'm with my family

00:49:04.590 --> 00:49:06.720
and spending time, my
daughter, for instance.

00:49:06.720 --> 00:49:09.330
So when I have a bit
of a balance and that's

00:49:09.330 --> 00:49:12.150
a good way to do that,
but also if, if I was

00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.210
working in security and
I was with a client, I

00:49:15.210 --> 00:49:16.980
would recommend this sort
of stuff for business

00:49:16.980 --> 00:49:17.880
meetings as well.

00:49:18.270 --> 00:49:20.610
Um, so I've got a few
products along those

00:49:20.610 --> 00:49:24.180
lines that are in the
pipeline come in, which I

00:49:24.180 --> 00:49:25.710
use quite a lot as well.

00:49:26.020 --> 00:49:27.090
Well, you let me know,
cause I'm going to get

00:49:27.090 --> 00:49:29.160
one of those Faraday
bags off you, but

00:49:29.160 --> 00:49:32.130
definitely we did a,
uh, a hunting trip.

00:49:32.160 --> 00:49:32.580
Recently.

00:49:32.580 --> 00:49:34.410
We had two separate
vehicles and we took

00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:38.040
a raft up on, uh,
uh, the Fraser and

00:49:38.040 --> 00:49:39.120
we took it to this.

00:49:39.330 --> 00:49:40.799
I got a little, a
whitewater raft.

00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:42.150
You could put a
hundred K down.

00:49:43.005 --> 00:49:46.725
Uh, the river and,
um, my vehicle at the

00:49:46.725 --> 00:49:49.275
bottom figured, well,
I don't want to bring

00:49:49.275 --> 00:49:51.285
my keys with me and
possibly lose them or

00:49:51.295 --> 00:49:52.215
get them wet or whatever.

00:49:52.215 --> 00:49:54.585
So I'll just hide them
inside my vehicle.

00:49:54.585 --> 00:49:56.445
And I got to push button
lock on the outside.

00:49:56.865 --> 00:49:59.415
I said, but if somebody
broke in here, all they

00:49:59.415 --> 00:50:01.305
got to do cause it's
push button to start

00:50:01.635 --> 00:50:02.565
is just press a break.

00:50:02.565 --> 00:50:05.265
And they start on up and
they took my vehicle.

00:50:05.265 --> 00:50:07.695
So I tried placing it,
all these different

00:50:07.695 --> 00:50:09.555
areas and we're thinking,
well, maybe, maybe

00:50:09.555 --> 00:50:11.625
we got to just hide
it somewhere else.

00:50:11.625 --> 00:50:14.475
And, and then, uh,
anyways, we had

00:50:14.475 --> 00:50:15.045
some materials.

00:50:15.045 --> 00:50:16.695
I made a quick
Faraday bag.

00:50:16.975 --> 00:50:18.165
It worked right.

00:50:18.345 --> 00:50:18.945
We're good.

00:50:18.945 --> 00:50:20.625
It's kind of like the old
blockbuster days where

00:50:20.625 --> 00:50:22.695
you take a, a blockbuster
video and they got

00:50:22.695 --> 00:50:23.955
the RFID tab there.

00:50:24.255 --> 00:50:26.505
He held a, uh, a
loony against the

00:50:26.505 --> 00:50:27.675
big thick RFID.

00:50:27.675 --> 00:50:29.265
And you could, you could
pass it through the

00:50:29.265 --> 00:50:30.075
thing without it going.

00:50:30.075 --> 00:50:30.255
Beep

00:50:31.395 --> 00:50:32.235
how do you know that

00:50:32.985 --> 00:50:33.975
I would never do it.

00:50:33.975 --> 00:50:36.105
And actually there is a.

00:50:37.020 --> 00:50:41.310
I was asked to do
I, uh, to speak at a

00:50:41.490 --> 00:50:43.620
fan up in Whistler a
number of years ago.

00:50:43.680 --> 00:50:44.460
And it was a.

00:50:45.390 --> 00:50:48.779
Put on by a PIPC private
investigators association

00:50:48.779 --> 00:50:49.589
of British Columbia.

00:50:50.430 --> 00:50:53.910
And I did my, my little
bit, but, um, one that

00:50:54.120 --> 00:50:56.370
I thought was really
interesting was a,

00:50:56.370 --> 00:50:57.870
um, it was a group.

00:50:57.899 --> 00:51:01.379
I think it was a father
son sort of a team

00:51:01.379 --> 00:51:04.589
that ran a business and
they would turn whole

00:51:04.589 --> 00:51:07.529
rooms into Faraday
cages and they would

00:51:07.710 --> 00:51:08.940
have a special film.

00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:11.730
They put on the window
and a special paint, and

00:51:11.730 --> 00:51:13.500
then they paint over top
of that again, so that

00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:14.339
people don't see it.

00:51:14.819 --> 00:51:18.149
And they would put
in a, um, a repeater

00:51:18.149 --> 00:51:20.490
lake, either a wifi
or cell repeater in

00:51:20.490 --> 00:51:22.740
the room that they can
operate on a switch.

00:51:22.740 --> 00:51:24.660
And so everybody comes
in now, everybody in

00:51:24.660 --> 00:51:26.490
this room, if they want
to give a lecture or

00:51:26.490 --> 00:51:28.259
something else, they can
turn it off and nobody's

00:51:28.259 --> 00:51:31.290
got no phones or beep
and nothing's going, but

00:51:31.290 --> 00:51:34.020
what they can also do is
have everybody that, uh,

00:51:34.020 --> 00:51:35.460
is talking inside here.

00:51:35.490 --> 00:51:37.529
They get a copy of that
information because

00:51:37.529 --> 00:51:39.660
it's getting relayed
through like some pretty

00:51:39.660 --> 00:51:40.799
interesting stuff.

00:51:41.490 --> 00:51:44.490
And when we talk
about everything.

00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:47.160
And everything listening
and they mean people

00:51:47.160 --> 00:51:48.509
have smart thermometers.

00:51:48.509 --> 00:51:51.660
They've got 'em, their
TV monitors will have

00:51:52.410 --> 00:51:55.560
smart speakers or their
TV is voice command.

00:51:56.609 --> 00:52:01.799
I mean, I even remember
reading an article.

00:52:02.549 --> 00:52:03.960
I thought it was
kind of interesting.

00:52:04.529 --> 00:52:06.540
They had a secure
computer that wasn't

00:52:06.540 --> 00:52:08.160
hooked up to the
internet and they

00:52:08.160 --> 00:52:10.680
said, this is, this
is our secure device.

00:52:10.779 --> 00:52:12.210
No one can get
information off

00:52:12.220 --> 00:52:12.990
it off here.

00:52:13.200 --> 00:52:14.609
There's other
computers around

00:52:14.609 --> 00:52:16.049
it that were hooked
up to the internet.

00:52:16.049 --> 00:52:17.940
But this one wasn't
and this was supposed

00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:19.980
to contain all of the
sensitive information,

00:52:20.700 --> 00:52:22.710
uh, in order to
breach that one.

00:52:22.740 --> 00:52:24.149
So they could
remotely access.

00:52:25.140 --> 00:52:26.820
This computer that
wasn't hooked up.

00:52:27.120 --> 00:52:28.560
They actually had
someone to go in and

00:52:28.560 --> 00:52:32.910
physically just take a
thumb drive and upload a

00:52:32.910 --> 00:52:34.170
program to the computer.

00:52:34.380 --> 00:52:37.440
But once that program was
on there, it would cause

00:52:37.470 --> 00:52:42.630
the, um, computer to
load more into its memory

00:52:42.630 --> 00:52:44.940
and heat up and the fan
would come on and then

00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:45.750
it would take it off.

00:52:45.750 --> 00:52:46.560
It would cool off.

00:52:46.560 --> 00:52:47.850
And they're able to
basically through a

00:52:47.850 --> 00:52:51.270
Morris code signature as
a computer, heated and

00:52:51.270 --> 00:52:53.730
cooled another computer
that was beside it, that

00:52:53.730 --> 00:52:55.590
was hooked up to the
internet, could sense

00:52:55.680 --> 00:52:59.190
those heat variations
and very, very slowly.

00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.040
They could get some,
uh, information

00:53:02.040 --> 00:53:02.700
off that computer.

00:53:02.700 --> 00:53:04.140
So, wow.

00:53:04.200 --> 00:53:06.960
You know, you think about
it, someone someone's

00:53:06.970 --> 00:53:09.300
found a way around
it or even, you know,

00:53:09.330 --> 00:53:11.370
have you ever played
with like, um, laser

00:53:11.370 --> 00:53:12.840
beams for, uh, audio.

00:53:13.725 --> 00:53:15.015
No, not really.

00:53:15.015 --> 00:53:15.345
No.

00:53:15.615 --> 00:53:18.345
So you can, you can
actually transmit, uh,

00:53:18.375 --> 00:53:21.585
audio through light
and you can use laser

00:53:21.585 --> 00:53:25.185
for concentrated,
um, uh, pickup and

00:53:25.215 --> 00:53:26.955
reception of, uh, audio.

00:53:26.955 --> 00:53:29.175
So if you want it to,
you can use a non-visible

00:53:29.175 --> 00:53:32.175
IRR layer, like visible
to the human eye and

00:53:32.175 --> 00:53:34.695
reflected off of let's
say glass, and you can

00:53:34.965 --> 00:53:37.035
pick up those harmonics
and listen on somebody

00:53:37.035 --> 00:53:39.255
as far as that laser
beam can transmit.

00:53:39.925 --> 00:53:41.235
So the, this
is new to me.

00:53:41.235 --> 00:53:42.765
I haven't even heard
about this technology,

00:53:42.765 --> 00:53:45.435
but from what I've
learned, what we know.

00:53:46.230 --> 00:53:48.330
What is actually
in existence is way

00:53:48.660 --> 00:53:49.530
further down the

00:53:49.530 --> 00:53:49.890
line.

00:53:50.550 --> 00:53:54.540
If I played with, as a
kid, I can only imagine

00:53:54.540 --> 00:53:55.320
what they have now.

00:53:55.650 --> 00:53:57.540
Yeah, because in the
private sector where

00:53:57.540 --> 00:53:59.220
I was working in the
corporate espionage

00:53:59.220 --> 00:54:02.070
world, we'd have
specialists that

00:54:02.070 --> 00:54:04.740
would come in to
other companies, maybe

00:54:04.740 --> 00:54:05.520
not, where are me.

00:54:05.910 --> 00:54:08.250
And, uh, they would
do this sort of Wi-Fi

00:54:08.260 --> 00:54:12.870
exploitation and, uh,
hacking of cell phones.

00:54:12.870 --> 00:54:16.080
Cause that is the golden,
uh, little gold nugget

00:54:16.110 --> 00:54:18.260
that you can track people
wherever they go in.

00:54:18.270 --> 00:54:20.760
You can learn about
every email, everything

00:54:21.060 --> 00:54:21.780
that they do.

00:54:21.870 --> 00:54:23.940
And it's a very big deal.

00:54:24.180 --> 00:54:26.700
Um, so people that
have been doing this

00:54:26.700 --> 00:54:28.920
in a, in a professional
setting for governments

00:54:29.370 --> 00:54:31.680
tend to move in the
later in their career.

00:54:31.680 --> 00:54:31.780
So.

00:54:32.794 --> 00:54:34.265
Move into the
private sector and

00:54:34.265 --> 00:54:36.575
carry this technical
Knology with them.

00:54:37.084 --> 00:54:40.024
Um, but yeah, so it's
not a good thing, but

00:54:40.145 --> 00:54:42.095
these aren't the only
people that are using it.

00:54:42.484 --> 00:54:44.674
Criminal organizations
are now going down

00:54:44.674 --> 00:54:46.384
this line of work.

00:54:46.384 --> 00:54:49.564
And so obviously hackers
organizations to exploit

00:54:49.564 --> 00:54:50.285
people for money.

00:54:50.495 --> 00:54:51.665
One that's come around.

00:54:51.745 --> 00:54:55.654
My friend group recently
over in Vancouver, um,

00:54:55.714 --> 00:54:58.115
some females that are
friends of my partner

00:54:58.384 --> 00:55:02.464
have got emails saying
that they're, they have

00:55:02.495 --> 00:55:04.774
images of them when
they're in their most

00:55:04.774 --> 00:55:08.105
intimate times, ranged
from their cell phones.

00:55:08.495 --> 00:55:12.045
Um, They've had,
uh, reports to the

00:55:12.045 --> 00:55:15.495
police about this and
they judged that it

00:55:15.495 --> 00:55:18.225
was a fraud thing,
but it happens to

00:55:18.405 --> 00:55:19.275
girls that we know.

00:55:19.695 --> 00:55:22.485
Um, and whether that is a
fraud or not, it's still

00:55:22.485 --> 00:55:25.275
a very stressful thing
to go through someone

00:55:25.275 --> 00:55:27.645
that's saying that if
you don't give us this

00:55:27.645 --> 00:55:30.345
money, then we're going
to put on naked pictures

00:55:30.345 --> 00:55:31.875
on the internet, on
this website of you.

00:55:32.205 --> 00:55:33.345
And that's the thing
that's happened

00:55:33.345 --> 00:55:34.095
to celebrities.

00:55:34.275 --> 00:55:36.195
And I know it's happened
to people in the

00:55:36.195 --> 00:55:38.745
world, uh, and we're
going to be going into

00:55:38.745 --> 00:55:41.925
this sort of world
now where everything

00:55:41.925 --> 00:55:44.384
can be exploited and
every electrical device

00:55:44.415 --> 00:55:45.495
does have weaknesses.

00:55:45.975 --> 00:55:50.055
Um, so I think like,
Measures can be taken,

00:55:50.055 --> 00:55:51.735
like for instance, a
camera coverup on your

00:55:51.735 --> 00:55:53.835
cell phone, you just
flip across when you

00:55:53.835 --> 00:55:54.765
want to use your camera.

00:55:55.035 --> 00:55:56.955
That's not a, an
extreme thing.

00:55:57.134 --> 00:55:59.205
People use them for
their laptops, but

00:55:59.205 --> 00:56:01.634
mark, Zuckerberg's
got it on his laptop.

00:56:02.685 --> 00:56:06.585
Um, but yeah, and
it's just, um, just to

00:56:06.585 --> 00:56:08.775
safeguard really, like
you don't really want

00:56:09.165 --> 00:56:11.865
anybody watching you or
taking pictures on your

00:56:11.865 --> 00:56:14.475
phone or listening in
on you, uh, any time,

00:56:14.685 --> 00:56:17.115
whether that be like a
government organization,

00:56:17.145 --> 00:56:20.115
a criminal organization
or hackers or anyone.

00:56:20.265 --> 00:56:22.755
Um, so I think we have
to take that aspect

00:56:22.755 --> 00:56:24.045
into consideration now.

00:56:24.365 --> 00:56:26.475
And I'm a big advocate
for that because I was a

00:56:26.475 --> 00:56:29.415
little bit in that world
and it really surprised

00:56:29.415 --> 00:56:34.395
me how the public sector
are so advanced that

00:56:35.055 --> 00:56:37.335
so advanced and, you
know, people talk about,

00:56:37.365 --> 00:56:40.185
I mean the firearms
training side of things,

00:56:40.335 --> 00:56:42.944
uh, I've talked to
different law enforcement

00:56:42.944 --> 00:56:43.904
types that will say.

00:56:44.550 --> 00:56:46.650
I don't want to teach
law enforcement tactics.

00:56:46.650 --> 00:56:48.600
I don't want to teach
what we're doing in

00:56:48.600 --> 00:56:53.370
the, uh, in the firearms
training or, uh, uh,

00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:56.880
anything on the, uh,
use of force side

00:56:57.660 --> 00:57:00.060
because the bad guys
might get ahold of this

00:57:00.120 --> 00:57:01.620
and they might want
to use it against us.

00:57:02.010 --> 00:57:03.480
And I've always
scratched my head at

00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:06.480
that one because the
bad guys already know

00:57:06.510 --> 00:57:08.520
if they've got access
to the intranet, they're

00:57:08.520 --> 00:57:10.800
going to have access
to your tactics and

00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:13.020
what you do might not
be completely drawn out

00:57:13.020 --> 00:57:15.420
for them, but all that
information is out there.

00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.240
And I've always been
a strong proponent of

00:57:19.080 --> 00:57:21.450
share that information
and let it get measured

00:57:21.450 --> 00:57:24.660
against what the bad
guys can do or not, or

00:57:24.660 --> 00:57:27.510
what other people do or
not, and build better

00:57:27.630 --> 00:57:28.590
and build it stronger.

00:57:28.590 --> 00:57:29.970
And if you can create
something that's so

00:57:29.970 --> 00:57:31.530
robust, it doesn't
matter what they do,

00:57:31.530 --> 00:57:34.920
where they don't know,
um, that you're still

00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:35.700
able to achieve your.

00:57:37.080 --> 00:57:37.920
That's perfect.

00:57:37.980 --> 00:57:38.370
All right.

00:57:38.430 --> 00:57:38.730
Yeah.

00:57:38.850 --> 00:57:41.280
And that that's sort
of been, uh, sorta

00:57:41.290 --> 00:57:42.720
my thinking, but

00:57:43.470 --> 00:57:43.950
yeah.

00:57:44.130 --> 00:57:46.410
And then that's also
comes into the training

00:57:46.410 --> 00:57:48.390
that I teach on
Instagram and stuff with.

00:57:48.570 --> 00:57:50.910
I go into a lot of
surveillance drills

00:57:50.910 --> 00:57:53.160
and like to teach
people how to detect if

00:57:53.190 --> 00:57:56.520
they're being followed
and line of hat to tow

00:57:56.580 --> 00:57:58.890
that I don't want to be
given away drills that

00:57:58.890 --> 00:58:00.870
could affect operators
out on the ground and

00:58:01.170 --> 00:58:03.150
right in the military
or in the, in the

00:58:03.210 --> 00:58:04.290
intelligence services.

00:58:04.710 --> 00:58:06.960
Um, but the reality
is that the game is

00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:10.800
changing a lot and, um,
real foot surveillance

00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:13.650
is still a big aspect,
but you can get so

00:58:13.650 --> 00:58:16.259
much more information
from, uh, electronical

00:58:16.259 --> 00:58:19.950
surveillance these
days, um, that this has

00:58:19.950 --> 00:58:22.110
benefits for civilians
for some of this

00:58:22.110 --> 00:58:25.320
training, I think, um,
because criminals aren't

00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:26.220
really going to be so.

00:58:27.285 --> 00:58:28.635
Up-to-date on
surveillance,

00:58:28.635 --> 00:58:30.075
drills and things.

00:58:30.315 --> 00:58:32.895
And if you're not a
fighting person, or

00:58:32.895 --> 00:58:34.935
if you're not capable
of fighting on the

00:58:34.935 --> 00:58:36.285
street, or you don't
want to, which a lot

00:58:36.285 --> 00:58:38.415
of people aren't, and
they need some other

00:58:38.415 --> 00:58:40.875
tools or tactics to get
out of uncomfortable

00:58:40.875 --> 00:58:43.005
situations when a guy
could be following your

00:58:43.005 --> 00:58:45.015
home from the train
station, for instance.

00:58:45.015 --> 00:58:46.605
And that's a big thing
that I tried to touch

00:58:46.605 --> 00:58:48.495
on because I want to
give people a plan

00:58:48.735 --> 00:58:50.355
because most people
don't have a plan.

00:58:50.415 --> 00:58:52.815
It's just hope for
the best, or I don't

00:58:52.815 --> 00:58:54.825
know, think of it
when it happens.

00:58:55.275 --> 00:58:57.015
So most people
have, it'll never

00:58:57.015 --> 00:58:58.395
happen and you know,
I'll deal with it.

00:58:58.395 --> 00:59:00.975
When my daughter, I
purchased your course

00:59:00.975 --> 00:59:02.985
for my daughter,
she's loving it.

00:59:03.075 --> 00:59:05.115
And she's got
her workload.

00:59:05.115 --> 00:59:06.105
She's not done it yet.

00:59:06.315 --> 00:59:08.145
It's quite a long
course, but she's

00:59:08.145 --> 00:59:08.805
working her way through.

00:59:08.805 --> 00:59:10.425
You've got a lot of good
information in there

00:59:10.425 --> 00:59:11.835
and she's coming down
and she's telling me

00:59:12.135 --> 00:59:12.825
things she's learning.

00:59:12.825 --> 00:59:15.375
She's 14 years old and
there's things that.

00:59:16.230 --> 00:59:18.150
I will have said to
her, but I'm sure it's

00:59:18.150 --> 00:59:20.190
going to come across
in a different way

00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.620
or from some, from
yourself as an authority

00:59:22.620 --> 00:59:25.800
that will hopefully
stick in a little

00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:27.420
bit, uh, differently.

00:59:28.020 --> 00:59:30.450
And, uh, it was
interesting because a

00:59:30.450 --> 00:59:33.570
few weeks ago she went
to the library with a

00:59:33.570 --> 00:59:35.640
friend of hers and she's
coming back and she was

00:59:35.640 --> 00:59:38.790
getting harassed by a
couple of boys on bikes.

00:59:39.030 --> 00:59:42.540
And they're just sort
of typical adolescent

00:59:42.540 --> 00:59:43.290
sort of thing.

00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:47.760
But in hindsight, looking
at it, she was, uh,

00:59:47.850 --> 00:59:49.500
quite upset with herself
because she didn't

00:59:49.500 --> 00:59:52.530
feel that she reacted
in the proper way or

00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:54.840
nothing happened out
of the whole incident.

00:59:54.870 --> 00:59:58.650
But, um, uh, it's a first
time that she's been in

00:59:59.010 --> 01:00:00.420
this sort of a situation.

01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:00.780
Yeah.

01:00:00.990 --> 01:00:04.300
And there is a lot of,
uh, just being upset

01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.450
cause he says, I know you
said this, I know that

01:00:06.560 --> 01:00:08.910
I, in hindsight, I should
have done a, B and C.

01:00:09.735 --> 01:00:12.435
And I think doing a
course, like the one

01:00:12.435 --> 01:00:16.065
that you have there,
it normalizes and

01:00:16.065 --> 01:00:18.465
standardizes responses
within people.

01:00:18.465 --> 01:00:20.445
It's one thing for
dad to say, Hey,

01:00:20.445 --> 01:00:21.525
you should do this.

01:00:22.065 --> 01:00:23.955
It's another thing to
just say, Hey, this is

01:00:23.955 --> 01:00:25.185
how it's normally done.

01:00:25.275 --> 01:00:25.635
Right.

01:00:25.665 --> 01:00:29.445
And that's social
acceptance, I guess,

01:00:29.715 --> 01:00:31.875
behind it will cause
somebody to hopefully

01:00:31.875 --> 01:00:34.395
make the right
decision more quickly.

01:00:34.395 --> 01:00:36.465
Cause I think a lot of
people are just stuck

01:00:37.095 --> 01:00:39.855
by not wanting to look
rude, not wanting to

01:00:39.855 --> 01:00:42.765
do something that's not
normal or not socially.

01:00:44.115 --> 01:00:44.265
Yeah.

01:00:44.265 --> 01:00:45.015
That is a big one.

01:00:45.045 --> 01:00:46.755
And it's good that
she recognizes it

01:00:46.755 --> 01:00:49.245
and is going to
improve what she did.

01:00:49.245 --> 01:00:51.135
And that is part of
why I made the course

01:00:51.135 --> 01:00:52.875
is because of the
experiences that I've

01:00:52.875 --> 01:00:54.915
had and the people
that I've learned from.

01:00:55.275 --> 01:00:56.805
Um, and when you're
growing up and you're

01:00:56.805 --> 01:00:59.295
young, you need to
make these mistakes.

01:00:59.295 --> 01:01:01.065
And I'm trying to
give them a bit of

01:01:01.065 --> 01:01:02.625
a li like guidance.

01:01:02.625 --> 01:01:04.455
So they don't make
the big mistakes.

01:01:04.485 --> 01:01:04.875
Right.

01:01:05.865 --> 01:01:06.705
They have a plan.

01:01:06.705 --> 01:01:08.775
If things go
the wrong way or

01:01:09.225 --> 01:01:10.455
recognize it early on.

01:01:10.755 --> 01:01:12.945
Um, so I'm really happy
that she's taken the

01:01:12.945 --> 01:01:14.295
cautious benefit from it.

01:01:14.295 --> 01:01:15.945
That because this is
the demographic, I'm a

01:01:15.945 --> 01:01:19.275
father myself, and it's
partly why I created it.

01:01:19.455 --> 01:01:21.735
And also, uh, it's,
I'm happy that she's

01:01:21.735 --> 01:01:23.055
actually taking the
course because a lot of

01:01:23.055 --> 01:01:25.215
people of our age group,
aren't going to take it.

01:01:25.245 --> 01:01:26.805
You know, they're not
going to be interested

01:01:26.805 --> 01:01:28.455
in it unless something
bad has happened.

01:01:28.865 --> 01:01:30.075
So it's also out there.

01:01:30.315 --> 01:01:32.805
People can get it for
free or pay what they can

01:01:33.075 --> 01:01:36.345
and fathers or mothers
who are protective,

01:01:36.585 --> 01:01:41.085
um, take the course
and then slowly filter

01:01:41.085 --> 01:01:41.865
that information.

01:01:41.865 --> 01:01:43.785
The important stuff
down to the people that

01:01:43.785 --> 01:01:45.435
need it, or the people
that don't really look

01:01:45.435 --> 01:01:47.745
for it, but you can
teach them the most.

01:01:47.745 --> 01:01:49.185
That was part of the idea

01:01:49.185 --> 01:01:49.695
as well.

01:01:49.905 --> 01:01:52.604
It's smart, you know,
What's it called

01:01:52.604 --> 01:01:53.924
it's self-defense
without fighting.

01:01:54.075 --> 01:01:54.375
Yeah.

01:01:54.884 --> 01:01:57.044
And it's specifically
geared around situational

01:01:57.044 --> 01:01:59.745
awareness and geared
towards women.

01:02:00.104 --> 01:02:00.345
Yeah.

01:02:00.375 --> 01:02:02.444
But I, everything
that's in there is

01:02:02.444 --> 01:02:03.584
also applicable to men.

01:02:03.884 --> 01:02:04.095
Yeah.

01:02:04.214 --> 01:02:06.165
And there will be other
courses coming, but that

01:02:06.165 --> 01:02:07.395
was the first project.

01:02:07.455 --> 01:02:10.604
Um, um, mainly because
of my partner suggested

01:02:10.604 --> 01:02:12.254
it and said that she
had learned a lot

01:02:12.254 --> 01:02:14.115
from me and she would
like to help out.

01:02:14.384 --> 01:02:16.365
And also there's a lot
of incidents that happen.

01:02:16.365 --> 01:02:18.944
Like Vancouver recently,
there was a lady that

01:02:18.944 --> 01:02:21.645
was followed all the
way through Chinatown

01:02:21.645 --> 01:02:23.595
and she actually got a
phone out and videoed

01:02:23.924 --> 01:02:24.825
the guy following her.

01:02:24.825 --> 01:02:27.104
And I've done an
analysis of that video

01:02:27.104 --> 01:02:28.185
is quite scary thing.

01:02:28.185 --> 01:02:31.095
Cause the guys knows that
he's what he's doing.

01:02:31.154 --> 01:02:32.745
He's a, he's a
recurrent offender.

01:02:32.745 --> 01:02:34.185
We find out later
down the line.

01:02:35.310 --> 01:02:37.410
He's not phased that
she's filming him and he

01:02:37.410 --> 01:02:38.850
gets very close at times.

01:02:38.850 --> 01:02:40.350
And luckily it was
in the daytime.

01:02:40.350 --> 01:02:43.050
And luckily this lady
goes and associates

01:02:43.050 --> 01:02:45.480
herself with a group
of skaters in a skate

01:02:45.490 --> 01:02:48.570
park, which is something
that I teach, um, called

01:02:48.570 --> 01:02:50.550
apparent allies is
to associate yourself

01:02:50.550 --> 01:02:53.190
with another group or
person or a good thing

01:02:53.190 --> 01:02:54.690
as an authority figure.

01:02:54.690 --> 01:02:58.440
And that's like an
action plan that is quite

01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:01.380
obvious to us to do,
but so some people, they

01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:02.730
might not think of that,
especially if they're

01:03:02.730 --> 01:03:03.930
in a panic situation.

01:03:04.259 --> 01:03:06.660
Um, so yeah, there's
just different

01:03:06.660 --> 01:03:07.420
options like that.

01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:09.990
I think if you're not
inclined to fight or

01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:11.670
you haven't trained in
fighting them fighting,

01:03:11.670 --> 01:03:13.290
probably isn't your
best option in a lot

01:03:13.290 --> 01:03:15.420
of scenarios, but
then there is, uh, a

01:03:15.450 --> 01:03:18.630
scenario when fighting
is your only option to

01:03:18.630 --> 01:03:19.500
be good at fighting.

01:03:19.560 --> 01:03:20.670
You have to train.

01:03:20.759 --> 01:03:23.250
So I do send that
message out as well.

01:03:23.500 --> 01:03:26.009
It's important to have
some experience or train.

01:03:26.970 --> 01:03:27.300
Yeah.

01:03:27.300 --> 01:03:28.770
And there's definitely
something to be said

01:03:28.770 --> 01:03:30.660
for someone who's can
carry themselves with

01:03:30.660 --> 01:03:32.820
the confidence, knowing
that they can fight.

01:03:33.735 --> 01:03:35.415
In order to be able
to mitigate a fight.

01:03:35.925 --> 01:03:38.685
And I remember even
just looking like in my

01:03:38.685 --> 01:03:42.855
youth as a, as a bouncer
and just looking at

01:03:42.855 --> 01:03:46.515
the, the human dynamic
in a bunch of guys in

01:03:46.515 --> 01:03:50.535
a nightclub alcohol's
involved and it would

01:03:50.535 --> 01:03:54.075
always be funny when a
person comes up and says,

01:03:54.105 --> 01:03:55.245
oh, you're a big guy.

01:03:55.245 --> 01:03:57.495
And they started trying
to test you out and

01:03:57.495 --> 01:03:59.595
try you out and on,
maybe we should fight.

01:03:59.595 --> 01:04:00.425
Let's fight mana.

01:04:00.425 --> 01:04:01.095
I don't want to fight.

01:04:01.095 --> 01:04:01.455
Okay.

01:04:01.455 --> 01:04:03.615
And he watched him sort
of escalate and ramp up.

01:04:03.615 --> 01:04:05.445
The more you say you
don't want to fight the

01:04:05.445 --> 01:04:06.965
more aggressive they
get in that turned.

01:04:07.025 --> 01:04:07.335
Okay.

01:04:07.455 --> 01:04:07.905
Let's fight.

01:04:08.565 --> 01:04:09.225
No, no, no, no.

01:04:09.225 --> 01:04:10.965
And we'll come back
down and then it would

01:04:11.805 --> 01:04:13.545
kind of be a fun little
game where I just kind

01:04:13.545 --> 01:04:15.495
of watch and we just
play it back and forth

01:04:15.495 --> 01:04:17.595
and watch it go up and
down and up and down.

01:04:17.805 --> 01:04:19.815
Just sign to see
exactly where their,

01:04:20.155 --> 01:04:22.905
their threshold is that
they're not in there.

01:04:22.905 --> 01:04:25.919
Uh, Probably not in their
best, most cognitive

01:04:26.339 --> 01:04:27.060
place at the time.

01:04:27.149 --> 01:04:28.899
Oh, definitely plays
a big part in that

01:04:28.899 --> 01:04:30.419
doesn't especially
work in the doors.

01:04:30.419 --> 01:04:31.529
I did that myself.

01:04:31.830 --> 01:04:32.220
Yeah.

01:04:32.220 --> 01:04:34.410
It's a great training
ground to watch

01:04:34.620 --> 01:04:36.870
human behavior, to
the influence of

01:04:36.870 --> 01:04:37.709
alcohol as well.

01:04:38.250 --> 01:04:39.810
And there's no mistakes.

01:04:39.810 --> 01:04:42.270
There's no question
about who is the most

01:04:42.270 --> 01:04:44.160
aggressive and it's
men, isn't it even

01:04:44.160 --> 01:04:44.729
a hundred percent.

01:04:44.729 --> 01:04:46.109
And that's something
that I do push out

01:04:46.109 --> 01:04:48.450
in my course, because
it's just the fact,

01:04:48.479 --> 01:04:50.609
and there's no way you
can hide from that.

01:04:50.759 --> 01:04:54.779
Um, they we've, we've
done bad things in

01:04:54.779 --> 01:04:58.259
the past as a, as a
gender, you know, so we

01:04:58.259 --> 01:05:00.029
can't hide from that.

01:05:00.029 --> 01:05:01.200
We need to
acknowledge it.

01:05:01.649 --> 01:05:03.629
And the aggression
between men and women

01:05:03.629 --> 01:05:04.589
can be different too.

01:05:04.950 --> 01:05:08.310
I remember a grandfather
and father, uh,

01:05:08.370 --> 01:05:09.330
Vancouver police.

01:05:09.330 --> 01:05:10.709
I don't know when it
came in, probably in

01:05:10.709 --> 01:05:13.500
my grandfather's day,
but the, um, I guess

01:05:13.500 --> 01:05:14.700
anti stalking laws.

01:05:15.615 --> 01:05:17.745
Being relayed to me how
they brought in some

01:05:17.745 --> 01:05:20.595
new anti stalking laws,
because they figured

01:05:21.105 --> 01:05:24.645
the, um, ha would have a
tool that they can use a

01:05:24.645 --> 01:05:27.495
boat against men who were
stalking their wives.

01:05:27.495 --> 01:05:30.615
And they were surprised
to find that the majority

01:05:30.615 --> 01:05:32.775
of people that they found
that were stalking, at

01:05:32.775 --> 01:05:34.995
least at that time were
women stalking men.

01:05:35.055 --> 01:05:37.755
But I guess the big
difference was is that

01:05:37.785 --> 01:05:41.355
when a woman's stocked a
guy, it didn't typically

01:05:41.355 --> 01:05:44.295
end in the same level
of violence than when a

01:05:44.295 --> 01:05:45.465
man is stalking a woman.

01:05:45.825 --> 01:05:49.365
So, you know,
there's men just.

01:05:50.730 --> 01:05:54.660
Genetically, whatever
it is from a simple

01:05:54.660 --> 01:05:57.000
profiling perspective or
the when's that these,

01:05:57.009 --> 01:06:00.630
uh, uh, women should
be looking out for.

01:06:01.470 --> 01:06:03.180
And a lot of it is
common sense as well.

01:06:03.180 --> 01:06:06.360
So a lot of the course
I do drill on home, like

01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:09.060
common sense topics, but
most people that take

01:06:09.060 --> 01:06:10.470
the course and learn
about it and say, oh

01:06:10.470 --> 01:06:12.509
yeah, I didn't really
think of it in that way.

01:06:12.660 --> 01:06:14.220
And it's just
highlighting what we

01:06:14.220 --> 01:06:16.799
instinctually know
anyway, as human

01:06:16.799 --> 01:06:17.640
beings, you know?

01:06:17.819 --> 01:06:18.180
Yeah.

01:06:18.270 --> 01:06:21.569
Um, so yeah, I just
looking at other angles

01:06:21.569 --> 01:06:23.279
and the things that
I've learned throughout

01:06:23.279 --> 01:06:26.790
my core career and
teaching to the general

01:06:26.790 --> 01:06:27.690
population for an

01:06:27.779 --> 01:06:27.960
public.

01:06:28.560 --> 01:06:30.150
Well, that's what I mean
about normalizing it.

01:06:30.150 --> 01:06:32.340
I mean, somebody can
just know, they can

01:06:32.340 --> 01:06:35.279
know what to do and
still not do it because

01:06:35.279 --> 01:06:36.390
they just, it doesn't.

01:06:38.040 --> 01:06:41.340
It's not something that's
sort of ingrained as

01:06:41.340 --> 01:06:42.660
this is how you respond.

01:06:42.810 --> 01:06:44.400
Like if you act in a
certain way against

01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:46.230
me, instinctually,
I will, I'll have

01:06:46.230 --> 01:06:47.760
some gut reactions
and gut feelings.

01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:50.100
But if I realize that
it's acceptable and

01:06:50.100 --> 01:06:52.650
normal for me to take
the next couple of steps,

01:06:52.650 --> 01:06:55.230
like a person doesn't
have to hit me first for

01:06:55.230 --> 01:06:57.720
me to hit them the fights
already on before they,

01:06:57.930 --> 01:07:00.090
once they're in my space,
that fight is on, right?

01:07:00.240 --> 01:07:00.570
Yeah.

01:07:00.690 --> 01:07:00.990
Uh,

01:07:01.020 --> 01:07:02.490
that comes with
experience as well.

01:07:02.490 --> 01:07:05.370
Doesn't it read in that
behavior that is being

01:07:05.370 --> 01:07:07.410
presented to you and
the first time you're in

01:07:07.410 --> 01:07:09.630
that experience, you're
not going to know when

01:07:09.630 --> 01:07:10.560
that punch is coming.

01:07:10.740 --> 01:07:11.040
Right.

01:07:11.040 --> 01:07:12.900
You're also not going
to know how to get

01:07:12.900 --> 01:07:13.680
out the way of it.

01:07:13.680 --> 01:07:16.950
So yeah, that's when
the day of the race

01:07:16.950 --> 01:07:20.700
happens, it's good to,
uh, not be in the street

01:07:20.730 --> 01:07:21.900
in a real situation.

01:07:21.900 --> 01:07:23.880
It's good to be in a
training environment.

01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:26.820
First, you have a bit of
a, a backup of what to

01:07:26.820 --> 01:07:26.880
do.

01:07:27.615 --> 01:07:30.045
Now you do a fair
bit of a training

01:07:30.045 --> 01:07:30.705
yourself, don't

01:07:30.705 --> 01:07:30.915
you?

01:07:31.095 --> 01:07:31.635
Yeah, I do.

01:07:31.695 --> 01:07:32.085
Yeah.

01:07:32.145 --> 01:07:35.685
I like a boxer by
trade I'd say from a

01:07:35.685 --> 01:07:37.455
young age and I did it
in the Royal Marines.

01:07:37.815 --> 01:07:40.155
Um, one of the Royal
Marine light heavyweight

01:07:40.215 --> 01:07:42.105
POCs in championship
light, heavyweight.

01:07:42.315 --> 01:07:45.015
I looked a bit different
then, but it was muscle.

01:07:46.245 --> 01:07:46.815
Good for you.

01:07:46.905 --> 01:07:48.915
Hey, I know I do
mixed martial arts and

01:07:48.945 --> 01:07:51.165
particularly my interest
is in jujitsu because

01:07:51.795 --> 01:07:52.875
it is a very good sport.

01:07:52.905 --> 01:07:53.265
I love it.

01:07:53.295 --> 01:07:55.415
I wish I found it a
long time ago, but

01:07:55.415 --> 01:07:56.985
yeah, fighting's always
been a part of my,

01:07:57.225 --> 01:07:59.355
my life and also my.

01:08:00.270 --> 01:08:03.540
Growing up my culture,
as well as English man,

01:08:03.540 --> 01:08:06.150
you know, Queensberry
rules, bare knuckle

01:08:06.150 --> 01:08:07.170
box in and stuff.

01:08:07.860 --> 01:08:09.960
I was actually looking
into bare knuckle

01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:13.080
box in it's quite
barbaric, but also it's

01:08:13.110 --> 01:08:15.930
kind of traditional
for my heritage

01:08:15.930 --> 01:08:16.920
has been English.

01:08:16.950 --> 01:08:18.900
You know, it's an
interest, although

01:08:18.900 --> 01:08:21.270
it is, it's a bloody
sport and it is

01:08:21.270 --> 01:08:22.290
quite a niche thing.

01:08:22.529 --> 01:08:22.770
Right.

01:08:22.779 --> 01:08:25.560
I can see why fans will
be turned off from it,

01:08:26.130 --> 01:08:28.770
but it's quite raw,
but that's maybe in the

01:08:28.770 --> 01:08:29.819
works in the future.

01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:31.350
Have you done

01:08:31.350 --> 01:08:31.860
that before?

01:08:32.370 --> 01:08:35.819
Well, yeah, many times,
but not in a ring.

01:08:37.779 --> 01:08:39.810
I hear that, but I
did have arranged

01:08:39.810 --> 01:08:41.250
fights as a youngster.

01:08:41.250 --> 01:08:43.890
Like I was a lad and
I had a reputation

01:08:43.950 --> 01:08:46.140
and people would come
into our town and I'll

01:08:46.260 --> 01:08:49.020
meet them and fight
them in like parking

01:08:49.020 --> 01:08:49.830
lot and stuff like.

01:08:51.165 --> 01:08:53.775
Yeah, which isn't
advisable, it's not a

01:08:53.775 --> 01:08:55.995
great thing to do, but
that was part of my life.

01:08:56.025 --> 01:08:57.135
And I didn't
do that stuff.

01:08:57.465 --> 01:08:59.175
So yeah, I do have
experienced some bare

01:08:59.175 --> 01:09:01.815
knuckle boxing in that
respect, but I always

01:09:02.025 --> 01:09:04.215
adhere to Queensbury
rules, which is like,

01:09:04.455 --> 01:09:07.485
you fight standing up and
then one goes down and

01:09:07.485 --> 01:09:09.735
then either they give up
or they get back up and

01:09:09.735 --> 01:09:10.635
you continue the fight.

01:09:10.665 --> 01:09:12.765
And I always did to that,
and that's quite like a

01:09:12.765 --> 01:09:13.845
gentleman's agreement.

01:09:13.845 --> 01:09:16.275
And so did most of the
people that I had trouble

01:09:16.275 --> 01:09:19.065
with in the past, in my
generation, but that's

01:09:19.065 --> 01:09:20.115
not the case anymore.

01:09:20.115 --> 01:09:20.385
Isn't it?

01:09:21.795 --> 01:09:23.295
And I've experienced
the other end of

01:09:23.295 --> 01:09:25.845
that, like getting
dropped and then people

01:09:25.845 --> 01:09:27.705
continuing the fight
when I was unconscious.

01:09:27.705 --> 01:09:28.905
And I actually had.

01:09:29.759 --> 01:09:32.370
Face, uh, I've got metal
plate in my face here,

01:09:32.969 --> 01:09:35.609
uh, and reconstructive
surgery, cause some

01:09:35.609 --> 01:09:37.229
stamping on my head
and stuff, you know,

01:09:38.219 --> 01:09:42.540
for me, that is on it's
just so disrespectful.

01:09:42.689 --> 01:09:44.879
You know, there's an
honor in, in, in a bit of

01:09:44.879 --> 01:09:47.250
combat on the street for
when I was doing it in

01:09:47.250 --> 01:09:50.309
my day and light, it was
more of a pride thing.

01:09:50.309 --> 01:09:51.330
It's an ego driven thing.

01:09:51.339 --> 01:09:53.040
It's definitely stupid.

01:09:53.250 --> 01:09:53.609
Sure.

01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:56.610
But it, it happened,
but to take it further

01:09:56.610 --> 01:09:59.040
to stamp on someone's
head over a spilled

01:09:59.040 --> 01:10:02.639
drink outside of a pub
is not really, there's

01:10:02.639 --> 01:10:04.559
no honor in that, but
that is the reality

01:10:04.559 --> 01:10:05.400
we're in these days.

01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:07.980
And also that's why
I'm teaching fighting

01:10:07.980 --> 01:10:08.879
as a last resort.

01:10:08.910 --> 01:10:10.860
If you're getting into
a fight, that's, you've

01:10:10.860 --> 01:10:13.469
made some mistakes,
the weekly focus on

01:10:13.500 --> 01:10:15.210
mainly not to get
to that point in the

01:10:15.210 --> 01:10:16.139
first place, you know?

01:10:16.469 --> 01:10:17.849
Yeah, no, you're
on the ground.

01:10:17.849 --> 01:10:19.799
You can expect to have
everybody else kicking.

01:10:20.099 --> 01:10:20.379
Right.

01:10:20.379 --> 01:10:22.049
And you're fighting
one person.

01:10:22.049 --> 01:10:24.120
You can expect there to
be more than one person.

01:10:25.349 --> 01:10:25.950
It's a.

01:10:27.315 --> 01:10:28.335
Yeah, absolutely.

01:10:28.335 --> 01:10:30.285
A hundred percent
good to know how to

01:10:30.285 --> 01:10:32.655
fight and then throw
that in the Bach back

01:10:32.655 --> 01:10:35.295
pocket and use it in an
absolute last resort.

01:10:35.325 --> 01:10:39.644
Yeah, it's on top of
that, the prevalence of

01:10:39.644 --> 01:10:44.384
people carrying weapons,
um, whatever it is or

01:10:44.384 --> 01:10:45.795
picking one up that
they look around and

01:10:45.795 --> 01:10:47.804
they can use whatever
they want as a weapon.

01:10:47.804 --> 01:10:49.184
And it's a.

01:10:50.415 --> 01:10:53.625
Being able to, you know,
another big part of that

01:10:53.625 --> 01:10:56.115
skill set, which I think
is important is number

01:10:56.115 --> 01:10:59.804
one, just, uh, uh, you
know, the awareness and

01:10:59.804 --> 01:11:01.485
the avoidance, and being
able to put yourself

01:11:01.485 --> 01:11:03.884
in the most beneficial
position so that you

01:11:03.884 --> 01:11:07.394
don't, uh, find yourself
at the altercation

01:11:07.394 --> 01:11:08.684
or interaction
to begin with.

01:11:08.684 --> 01:11:11.535
But number two, and it's
something that, uh, some

01:11:11.535 --> 01:11:12.705
people are very good at.

01:11:12.735 --> 01:11:14.594
He is sort of like
the verbal judo, and I

01:11:14.594 --> 01:11:16.455
think that's actually
trademarked verbal judo.

01:11:17.804 --> 01:11:18.134
Yeah.

01:11:18.285 --> 01:11:19.905
So you got to call
out tact, tactical

01:11:19.905 --> 01:11:20.714
communications.

01:11:20.714 --> 01:11:22.245
The police used to
call it verbal judo,

01:11:22.245 --> 01:11:23.884
and now they call them
tack comms because

01:11:23.894 --> 01:11:25.695
they guess it's, it's
actually trademarked.

01:11:26.205 --> 01:11:30.254
And then being able to
deescalate a situation

01:11:30.254 --> 01:11:32.535
through proxemics through
your body language,

01:11:32.565 --> 01:11:34.964
through your, uh, verbal,
through your non-verbal.

01:11:35.384 --> 01:11:37.445
And that's, that's
a huge art form is.

01:11:38.175 --> 01:11:38.475
Yeah.

01:11:38.655 --> 01:11:39.375
Yeah, that is.

01:11:39.645 --> 01:11:42.375
And unfortunately,
I'm, I'm a beginner

01:11:42.375 --> 01:11:45.075
in that art form and
I'll openly admit that

01:11:45.075 --> 01:11:46.425
that's something that
I have to work on.

01:11:46.425 --> 01:11:48.345
And I have been working
on insecurity as a

01:11:48.345 --> 01:11:50.475
body guard because, you
know, you can't just go

01:11:50.475 --> 01:11:52.455
into a scrap when he's
trying to really looking

01:11:52.455 --> 01:11:53.495
after someone, right.

01:11:53.505 --> 01:11:55.715
This deescalation is
extremely important and

01:11:55.725 --> 01:11:56.685
I'm proficiency in it.

01:11:56.685 --> 01:11:58.305
But growing
up, I was not.

01:11:58.365 --> 01:12:00.255
So there was always
a, I knew when the

01:12:00.255 --> 01:12:03.345
fight was on and then
we got to the fight.

01:12:03.555 --> 01:12:05.625
So that whole
awkward, like I hate

01:12:05.625 --> 01:12:06.555
the confrontation.

01:12:06.645 --> 01:12:08.195
I hate standing in front
of someone and they'd

01:12:08.195 --> 01:12:10.305
like threatening me
or, or saying, they're

01:12:10.305 --> 01:12:10.845
going to do something.

01:12:10.845 --> 01:12:12.075
They're going to do
something, do it.

01:12:12.255 --> 01:12:12.525
Right.

01:12:12.795 --> 01:12:14.505
It's like this whole
thing, like either we

01:12:14.505 --> 01:12:15.225
go in and we're not.

01:12:15.255 --> 01:12:17.955
So that was my mentality
as a youngster, but

01:12:17.955 --> 01:12:21.045
that got me into more
trouble than, than if

01:12:21.045 --> 01:12:23.325
I was good at talking
my way out of things.

01:12:23.895 --> 01:12:25.515
And that was a gap
in my skillset.

01:12:25.535 --> 01:12:28.335
This has been, but
also, oh, it was.

01:12:29.445 --> 01:12:29.765
Truffle.

01:12:29.765 --> 01:12:30.515
Thank you myself.

01:12:30.515 --> 01:12:30.755
So

01:12:32.375 --> 01:12:33.905
that's all part of
the learning process.

01:12:33.935 --> 01:12:34.295
Yeah.

01:12:35.165 --> 01:12:37.295
Like you say, hopefully
you make those mistakes

01:12:37.325 --> 01:12:39.875
in small doses and in
ways that you could

01:12:39.875 --> 01:12:42.905
recover from and really
ingrained and learn from

01:12:42.905 --> 01:12:45.305
them, like my daughter,
nothing happened and

01:12:45.305 --> 01:12:47.615
there is, she recognizes
things that could have

01:12:47.615 --> 01:12:48.365
been done differently.

01:12:49.650 --> 01:12:51.630
Small mistake
build upon it.

01:12:52.170 --> 01:12:53.040
That's fantastic.

01:12:53.070 --> 01:12:55.020
This is great experience
for people to go

01:12:55.020 --> 01:12:55.350
through.

01:12:55.440 --> 01:12:55.770
Yeah.

01:12:56.610 --> 01:12:56.820
Great.

01:12:56.820 --> 01:12:58.710
That she came and talked
to you about it as well.

01:12:58.710 --> 01:13:00.060
And that shows that
you got a great

01:13:00.060 --> 01:13:00.840
relationship there.

01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:01.230
I think.

01:13:02.100 --> 01:13:02.400
Yeah.

01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:03.270
You know what I mean?

01:13:03.300 --> 01:13:03.570
We

01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:04.410
try really hard.

01:13:04.440 --> 01:13:06.150
That's a, that's one
thing that's one of

01:13:06.150 --> 01:13:09.600
my life priorities is
have a strong family.

01:13:09.630 --> 01:13:10.530
Yeah, we do.

01:13:11.040 --> 01:13:13.470
I could, I could care
less about anything else.

01:13:13.500 --> 01:13:15.540
If push comes to shove
that makes sure we've

01:13:15.540 --> 01:13:16.650
got a strong family unit.

01:13:17.010 --> 01:13:18.000
Same with my kids.

01:13:18.420 --> 01:13:20.670
I let them know,
you know, some point

01:13:20.670 --> 01:13:22.530
something could happen
to your mom or me.

01:13:22.890 --> 01:13:24.840
You guys gotta be able
to look after each other.

01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:25.950
You got to just gotta
be able to know.

01:13:25.950 --> 01:13:28.440
You're confident to
look after yourselves

01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:30.240
and you're always
there for each other.

01:13:30.270 --> 01:13:33.600
So we ingrained that
very deeply, as well

01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:34.680
as the honesty part.

01:13:35.340 --> 01:13:36.030
I don't care.

01:13:36.630 --> 01:13:37.740
Just like what
you're talking about.

01:13:37.740 --> 01:13:38.540
The integrity part.

01:13:39.540 --> 01:13:41.550
Th it doesn't matter,
you gotta be honest.

01:13:41.550 --> 01:13:41.880
Right?

01:13:41.950 --> 01:13:44.010
You gotta let us know
we'll work through it.

01:13:44.400 --> 01:13:44.490
Yeah.

01:13:44.850 --> 01:13:45.240
Yeah.

01:13:45.270 --> 01:13:47.130
That's a very
important point for

01:13:47.130 --> 01:13:47.970
parenting as well.

01:13:48.330 --> 01:13:49.440
And that's the
journey that I'm on.

01:13:50.940 --> 01:13:52.620
Uh, hence why all
this training and

01:13:52.620 --> 01:13:54.270
that, and try and
prepare my daughter

01:13:54.270 --> 01:13:55.350
for the outside world.

01:13:55.350 --> 01:13:57.660
And I have a bit of a
warped perception of the

01:13:57.660 --> 01:13:59.550
outside world, because
I've been in the dark

01:13:59.550 --> 01:14:01.410
side of it a lot of
the time, you know, and

01:14:01.470 --> 01:14:04.770
preparing to deal with
the dark side of it

01:14:04.770 --> 01:14:07.620
has been my job and it
still is, but yeah, I'm

01:14:07.620 --> 01:14:09.030
kind of this balance.

01:14:09.030 --> 01:14:12.210
Isn't there, you have
to be prepared, spreads.

01:14:12.330 --> 01:14:12.950
What do they say?

01:14:13.050 --> 01:14:16.770
It's to be a warrior
in a garden rather

01:14:16.770 --> 01:14:18.090
than a gardener in

01:14:18.090 --> 01:14:18.570
a war.

01:14:19.590 --> 01:14:20.190
Yes.

01:14:20.730 --> 01:14:23.520
Um, and that preparation
thing is going to be

01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:25.620
difficult too, because
of your background and

01:14:25.620 --> 01:14:30.450
because of what you've
seen in the world, As

01:14:30.450 --> 01:14:31.680
you say, being warped.

01:14:31.710 --> 01:14:32.130
I don't know.

01:14:32.460 --> 01:14:34.020
It just, it
is what it is.

01:14:34.020 --> 01:14:36.270
It's it's the world
and it's just how

01:14:36.270 --> 01:14:37.740
you've viewed it.

01:14:38.250 --> 01:14:40.530
Being able to impart
what you need without

01:14:40.530 --> 01:14:43.290
warping your daughter's
version of the world as

01:14:43.290 --> 01:14:45.060
he grows up, it doesn't
matter what we do.

01:14:45.060 --> 01:14:46.440
I'm sure we're going
to make mistakes.

01:14:47.220 --> 01:14:48.360
There's going to be
something they look

01:14:48.360 --> 01:14:51.930
back on, but that's,
um, that's a difficult,

01:14:51.930 --> 01:14:54.480
tight rope I should
imagine for, for

01:14:54.480 --> 01:14:55.170
you to work through.

01:14:55.650 --> 01:14:56.640
Yeah, yeah.

01:14:57.180 --> 01:14:59.700
Obviously as a protector
self-defense is at the

01:14:59.700 --> 01:15:02.490
forefront, but I think
that it should be it's,

01:15:02.490 --> 01:15:03.630
especially for jujitsu.

01:15:03.630 --> 01:15:05.490
If you learn jujitsu
from a young age,

01:15:06.735 --> 01:15:08.895
The ability to free
up your whole life.

01:15:08.895 --> 01:15:11.565
I don't know what
better skill or any sort

01:15:11.565 --> 01:15:14.085
of self-defense are.

01:15:14.505 --> 01:15:16.965
You could give to a
child or to a young

01:15:16.965 --> 01:15:19.185
person, to be honest,
because then you

01:15:19.185 --> 01:15:20.235
carry that confidence.

01:15:20.235 --> 01:15:23.145
And that knowing that
if something goes bad,

01:15:23.265 --> 01:15:26.775
I have some experience
or I have some moves or

01:15:26.925 --> 01:15:29.775
an idea of what I can
do my own capabilities.

01:15:30.045 --> 01:15:32.265
So I do have an idea
of getting out and then

01:15:32.265 --> 01:15:34.395
I'll be more confident
in her going out and

01:15:34.395 --> 01:15:35.295
doing all this traveling.

01:15:35.295 --> 01:15:37.305
Like I did, you
know, travel.

01:15:37.305 --> 01:15:38.625
I traveled a
lot on my own.

01:15:38.925 --> 01:15:41.055
Um, and I'm going to
be doing a course of

01:15:41.055 --> 01:15:43.725
solo travel, which is
going to incorporate

01:15:43.725 --> 01:15:46.155
a lot of situational
awareness and stuff.

01:15:46.155 --> 01:15:47.955
Because as a body
guards, that was one of

01:15:47.955 --> 01:15:51.285
my niches is taking a
family on their vacation.

01:15:51.555 --> 01:15:54.405
And quite often in
Europe, um, they

01:15:54.405 --> 01:15:55.275
only want one.

01:15:56.045 --> 01:15:57.754
Bodyguard one protector.

01:15:58.264 --> 01:16:00.545
Um, and they don't
really want you hanging

01:16:00.545 --> 01:16:01.955
off their shoulder
all the time as a

01:16:01.955 --> 01:16:03.634
petition, traditional
body guard would do.

01:16:03.634 --> 01:16:06.365
And this was a niche
that I had to fill and

01:16:06.365 --> 01:16:07.025
they're the client.

01:16:07.054 --> 01:16:09.485
They pay the bills, so
they don't want to see

01:16:09.485 --> 01:16:12.214
you around them, but they
still want a protective

01:16:12.214 --> 01:16:13.174
bubble around them.

01:16:13.264 --> 01:16:14.495
And you're just
one person in a

01:16:14.495 --> 01:16:15.245
foreign country.

01:16:15.634 --> 01:16:18.535
So I have to deal with
that sort of in the, the

01:16:18.545 --> 01:16:21.094
reality is that you can't
protect them a hundred

01:16:21.094 --> 01:16:23.764
percent, but you can have
contingencies in place.

01:16:23.764 --> 01:16:26.585
And that is basically
life isn't it

01:16:27.105 --> 01:16:28.894
contingencies in place,
but you can't always

01:16:28.894 --> 01:16:30.065
be fully protected.

01:16:30.514 --> 01:16:30.844
Yeah.

01:16:31.594 --> 01:16:34.415
And you talk about
the martial arts and

01:16:34.415 --> 01:16:35.884
jujitsu at an early age.

01:16:35.945 --> 01:16:39.245
That's a very important,
the one thing that I

01:16:39.245 --> 01:16:42.065
always try to hammer home
and I still do with my

01:16:42.065 --> 01:16:46.115
kids is the ability to
use her voice and scream

01:16:46.174 --> 01:16:47.195
and create witnesses.

01:16:47.855 --> 01:16:51.365
And even if you know,
the, um, the police

01:16:51.365 --> 01:16:52.445
teach it as well, right.

01:16:52.594 --> 01:16:53.795
They tell us someone's
dropped that one.

01:16:54.540 --> 01:16:55.740
Well, why would I
tell a person to

01:16:55.740 --> 01:16:56.429
drop that weapon?

01:16:56.429 --> 01:16:57.900
If I didn't see if they
had a weapon or not?

01:16:58.139 --> 01:16:59.610
Well, you just created
a whole bunch of other

01:16:59.610 --> 01:17:02.070
people around, let's say,
oh, that guy's probably

01:17:02.070 --> 01:17:03.030
got a weapon, right?

01:17:03.510 --> 01:17:06.510
So you're, you're
protecting yourself in

01:17:06.510 --> 01:17:08.309
the instance, you're
using your voice

01:17:08.309 --> 01:17:09.750
and allowed way, but
you're also creating

01:17:09.750 --> 01:17:12.630
witnesses, which you've
got your incident.

01:17:12.750 --> 01:17:14.160
Pre-incident,
let's avoid it.

01:17:14.160 --> 01:17:16.410
Incident K fight sawn
and post incident.

01:17:16.980 --> 01:17:18.809
Man, that's going to be
with you for a long time.

01:17:18.809 --> 01:17:22.050
Everybody can go and
look over this and if

01:17:22.050 --> 01:17:24.840
it reaches a courtroom,
you're going to be into

01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:25.889
it for a number of years.

01:17:25.889 --> 01:17:27.090
And then it's in the
back of your head for

01:17:27.090 --> 01:17:27.960
the rest of your life.

01:17:28.290 --> 01:17:29.460
So how do you deal
with that whole

01:17:29.639 --> 01:17:30.750
post-incident thing?

01:17:30.809 --> 01:17:32.490
And if you can create
witnesses that might be

01:17:32.490 --> 01:17:34.800
able to help you with
the, or the legal side,

01:17:34.889 --> 01:17:39.420
and if you're taking
the proper steps, like

01:17:39.420 --> 01:17:41.130
what you've put together
in your course here,

01:17:41.309 --> 01:17:45.300
that can hopefully, uh,
help the, the mental

01:17:45.300 --> 01:17:47.849
reframing of, of what
happened to be a bit

01:17:47.849 --> 01:17:49.410
more of a positive thing.

01:17:49.769 --> 01:17:51.240
Even if it's you did
everything right.

01:17:52.455 --> 01:17:54.075
And this is a
learning experience.

01:17:54.825 --> 01:17:55.184
Yeah.

01:17:55.335 --> 01:17:57.765
And there's also aspects
of my course that goes

01:17:57.765 --> 01:18:00.795
into, after an incident,
how do we get this bad

01:18:00.795 --> 01:18:03.135
guy off the streets in
the most effective way?

01:18:03.285 --> 01:18:04.905
How do we report it to
the police and how do

01:18:04.905 --> 01:18:06.615
we memorize important
things about them?

01:18:06.615 --> 01:18:09.075
So speaking to retired
police officers and

01:18:09.075 --> 01:18:11.715
they say, it's, yeah,
it's good to have a full

01:18:11.735 --> 01:18:14.385
description, but when all
the chaos is happening,

01:18:14.445 --> 01:18:16.605
it's good to remind them
about one distinctive

01:18:16.605 --> 01:18:19.215
thing about this person
that can't be changed.

01:18:19.215 --> 01:18:21.195
And that's an obvious
thing, like a scar

01:18:21.465 --> 01:18:24.255
or a tattoo or some
facial feature that

01:18:24.375 --> 01:18:25.605
you is distinctive.

01:18:25.635 --> 01:18:28.934
And you would remember,
and could be found when

01:18:28.934 --> 01:18:30.135
they're walking around
the street or, and it

01:18:30.135 --> 01:18:32.894
also could be identified
on a lineup as well.

01:18:33.825 --> 01:18:35.894
So yeah, I do go into
this and I wrote an

01:18:35.894 --> 01:18:38.055
ebook that was part of
the course, which is

01:18:38.295 --> 01:18:40.275
attached to it about
after the incident.

01:18:40.635 --> 01:18:42.045
So there's a lot of
things and even goes

01:18:42.045 --> 01:18:44.025
into active shooters
and things like that

01:18:44.475 --> 01:18:45.975
and what to do because.

01:18:47.370 --> 01:18:48.570
Yeah, there's a lot of,

01:18:48.900 --> 01:18:49.860
to have to take
this course.

01:18:49.860 --> 01:18:50.760
I got it for my daughter.

01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:51.900
I'm going to have
to take this course.

01:18:52.920 --> 01:18:53.190
Yeah.

01:18:53.220 --> 01:18:55.020
So this is an ebook,
this attached to it,

01:18:55.020 --> 01:18:57.300
which is just a little
side thing, but it's

01:18:57.300 --> 01:18:59.310
actually, I could
probably ever wanted to

01:18:59.310 --> 01:19:01.860
sell it on its own as a
book because it's, it's

01:19:02.010 --> 01:19:03.420
a lot of my knowledge.

01:19:04.200 --> 01:19:06.809
Various experiences
into one thing.

01:19:06.809 --> 01:19:09.690
And also I've got a
connection with like

01:19:09.780 --> 01:19:12.690
police officers, other
special forces guys

01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:15.030
who are currently
in, um, intelligence

01:19:15.030 --> 01:19:16.080
agency staff.

01:19:16.950 --> 01:19:18.960
I've worked amongst
these people with time

01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:21.180
and security experts,
and I just bounce

01:19:21.180 --> 01:19:22.559
my ideas off them.

01:19:22.559 --> 01:19:25.800
And then they say other
ideas and I collate

01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:27.510
them into my courses
and my training.

01:19:27.510 --> 01:19:28.830
So it's a perfect setup,

01:19:28.890 --> 01:19:30.090
actually kidding.

01:19:30.450 --> 01:19:32.700
So we're going to have
links on both on the,

01:19:32.700 --> 01:19:34.530
uh, the YouTube and
on the podcast and

01:19:34.530 --> 01:19:36.480
people can pull it
up and whatever they,

01:19:36.540 --> 01:19:38.550
their podcast provider
and it'll link over.

01:19:38.550 --> 01:19:41.460
We'll make sure we have
links that, that, so

01:19:41.460 --> 01:19:42.390
people can check it out.

01:19:43.110 --> 01:19:46.110
Um, one of the other
things that, uh, uh,

01:19:46.140 --> 01:19:47.970
we've been talking about
a little bit, which I

01:19:47.970 --> 01:19:51.630
don't know much about,
but I'm loved learning

01:19:51.630 --> 01:19:53.430
and I'm learning more
on, and that's about,

01:19:53.430 --> 01:19:58.019
uh, uh, dealing with
stress and after-action

01:19:58.019 --> 01:19:59.309
stress and all the rest.

01:19:59.400 --> 01:20:04.860
I mean, it's, um, It
seems to be an area of

01:20:05.099 --> 01:20:10.889
science and psychology
that is rapidly changing

01:20:11.370 --> 01:20:14.280
rapidly growing and
people are taking new

01:20:14.879 --> 01:20:17.519
and unique approaches
to helping people

01:20:17.519 --> 01:20:19.440
work through that
whole after action.

01:20:19.469 --> 01:20:21.929
After where there's
PTSD, post-traumatic

01:20:21.929 --> 01:20:24.809
stress disorder.

01:20:25.080 --> 01:20:25.290
Yeah.

01:20:25.290 --> 01:20:26.490
I think they're actually
trying to move away

01:20:26.490 --> 01:20:29.850
from calling it a
disorder, but, um, Uh,

01:20:29.910 --> 01:20:34.890
or it's just anxiety or
depression or whatever

01:20:34.890 --> 01:20:36.930
else related to dealing
with the after-action.

01:20:36.930 --> 01:20:38.580
And that's something
that you've had some

01:20:38.580 --> 01:20:39.090
experience with.

01:20:39.510 --> 01:20:39.870
Yeah,

01:20:39.930 --> 01:20:41.640
well, personally,
I didn't get to

01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:44.550
fulfill my job of
going on operations.

01:20:45.180 --> 01:20:46.920
I'll have other
experiences in my life

01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:49.830
where I've had violent
experiences, but I'm an

01:20:49.860 --> 01:20:52.950
in around people that
have been to war multiple

01:20:52.950 --> 01:20:56.700
times and had, and also
now I'm around police in

01:20:56.700 --> 01:20:59.670
the security industry who
have had very horrendous

01:20:59.670 --> 01:21:02.010
experiences while on
the, in the line of duty.

01:21:03.420 --> 01:21:06.120
I've become a fascination
of mine, of how

01:21:06.420 --> 01:21:07.170
they deal with it.

01:21:07.170 --> 01:21:09.810
And also I have a lot of
sympathy for them doing

01:21:09.810 --> 01:21:12.180
their job to protect
us in our society.

01:21:12.510 --> 01:21:15.660
Um, especially obviously
the military guys and

01:21:15.810 --> 01:21:18.090
girls, but also the
police who I don't feel

01:21:18.090 --> 01:21:21.270
get the credit of the
military do because

01:21:21.270 --> 01:21:23.520
they literally, they run
operations every day.

01:21:23.790 --> 01:21:25.200
They don't really
have any downtime.

01:21:25.530 --> 01:21:27.210
Um, and now I have
someone close to me that

01:21:27.210 --> 01:21:28.920
deals with PTSD as well.

01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:31.560
And I've been looking
at other avenues for

01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:34.560
help, um, and therapy
and all the normal

01:21:34.650 --> 01:21:36.360
avenues of see good.

01:21:36.360 --> 01:21:38.310
And I'm not a scientist,
I'm not a psychologist

01:21:38.310 --> 01:21:41.940
myself, but I do read and
research a lot of things.

01:21:42.090 --> 01:21:44.130
And in the past two
years, I've gone down

01:21:44.130 --> 01:21:45.030
some rabbit holes.

01:21:45.210 --> 01:21:47.970
That's led me to
psychedelic assisted

01:21:47.970 --> 01:21:49.680
therapies, um,
particularly for

01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:51.060
veterans PTSD.

01:21:51.510 --> 01:21:54.360
And I really delved
into this subject.

01:21:56.190 --> 01:21:58.200
I can't believe what
I've found and I can't

01:21:58.200 --> 01:22:00.570
believe that it's not
accessible for people.

01:22:00.810 --> 01:22:03.090
And I think it will be
in coming years because

01:22:03.120 --> 01:22:04.980
the studies and the
science behind it is so

01:22:04.980 --> 01:22:06.180
overwhelmingly positive.

01:22:06.570 --> 01:22:09.540
Um, but I think we need
to jumpstart that now

01:22:09.540 --> 01:22:12.960
because suicide rates are
through the roof and we

01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:15.750
all have personal people
that we know, especially

01:22:15.750 --> 01:22:18.590
in my background as a
lot of guys particular,

01:22:18.590 --> 01:22:20.610
I say guys, because I
know Ron Marines is all

01:22:20.610 --> 01:22:23.700
men and stuff anyway,
that are struggling.

01:22:23.850 --> 01:22:27.540
And there's a lot of
stigma around talking

01:22:27.540 --> 01:22:31.110
about things and every
person in the police

01:22:31.110 --> 01:22:34.110
or in the military
that I know have been

01:22:34.110 --> 01:22:35.970
to combat and have
traumatic experiences.

01:22:36.420 --> 01:22:38.490
The recurring theme is
that they don't get the

01:22:38.490 --> 01:22:40.769
support that they need.

01:22:41.160 --> 01:22:42.930
And I know that there's
a lot of people were

01:22:42.930 --> 01:22:44.820
annoyed with the
military service and

01:22:44.820 --> 01:22:45.360
stuff because of.

01:22:46.305 --> 01:22:47.415
Chewed up and spat out.

01:22:47.835 --> 01:22:50.595
And that is the
reality for me.

01:22:50.595 --> 01:22:52.545
What I've seen that
is what happens

01:22:53.055 --> 01:22:54.135
no longer useful.

01:22:54.315 --> 01:22:56.655
So you're gone and
the machine just

01:22:56.655 --> 01:23:00.405
keeps rolling and
you're just a waste

01:23:00.495 --> 01:23:01.875
product out the side.

01:23:02.445 --> 01:23:04.335
Um, and there's some
organizations out

01:23:04.335 --> 01:23:07.605
there helping and
some support, but they

01:23:07.605 --> 01:23:08.715
need something else.

01:23:08.775 --> 01:23:11.475
And the whole psychedelic
assisted therapy is

01:23:11.475 --> 01:23:13.725
something that I've
been reading about and

01:23:13.725 --> 01:23:16.635
research and, and about
to make a big step in

01:23:16.635 --> 01:23:19.695
my life, uh, to move
down to Costa Rica,

01:23:20.085 --> 01:23:22.395
uh, where there's some
actual centers, there's

01:23:22.455 --> 01:23:25.185
iowaska therapy centers,
and also psilocybin,

01:23:25.185 --> 01:23:27.915
which is the main one
that I'm interested in,

01:23:28.665 --> 01:23:32.085
where veterans can travel
down and bypass because

01:23:32.085 --> 01:23:34.575
obviously there's legal
parameters in Canada

01:23:34.605 --> 01:23:37.185
and my home country
and America, which are

01:23:37.215 --> 01:23:40.365
slowly been challenged
now in the FDA.

01:23:41.384 --> 01:23:44.205
Looking at psilocybin
is a medical, um,

01:23:45.134 --> 01:23:48.105
medical substance,
uh, for people, right.

01:23:48.165 --> 01:23:50.085
But it's taken
time and there's a

01:23:50.085 --> 01:23:51.014
stigma around it.

01:23:51.165 --> 01:23:53.115
And it's the public's
perception, which is

01:23:53.474 --> 01:23:54.764
blocking it in my mind.

01:23:54.825 --> 01:23:56.985
I think it's, as soon
as the public changed,

01:23:57.014 --> 01:23:58.424
then the politicians
will get hold of it

01:23:58.424 --> 01:24:01.245
when they realize that
people support it.

01:24:01.544 --> 01:24:03.644
And then this could
be an avenue that is

01:24:03.735 --> 01:24:06.344
like literally like
a magic pill, um,

01:24:06.375 --> 01:24:07.544
for people that are.

01:24:08.380 --> 01:24:09.010
Struggling.

01:24:09.340 --> 01:24:12.040
And I've had other
avenues of support.

01:24:12.250 --> 01:24:13.870
This isn't the be-all
and end-all, I'm

01:24:13.870 --> 01:24:14.469
not saying it is.

01:24:14.469 --> 01:24:16.840
I just feel like it
should be an option to

01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:19.480
people who are maybe
on their last legs

01:24:19.570 --> 01:24:22.090
have got nowhere to
turn or they're alone,

01:24:22.090 --> 01:24:23.980
and they don't want to
talk to anybody else.

01:24:24.820 --> 01:24:27.160
Then why, who who's
to say that you can't

01:24:27.280 --> 01:24:29.740
allow someone to take
a substance in a,

01:24:29.950 --> 01:24:32.620
like a medical setting
with a therapist

01:24:32.620 --> 01:24:34.630
they're not taking
mushrooms and running

01:24:34.630 --> 01:24:35.290
around the forest?

01:24:35.570 --> 01:24:36.340
Not saying that

01:24:37.950 --> 01:24:41.200
I, um, there's a fellow,
his name will come

01:24:41.200 --> 01:24:43.360
to me and he's got a
podcast called diary of

01:24:43.360 --> 01:24:44.830
a CEO, British fellow.

01:24:45.219 --> 01:24:50.050
And he had a, uh, an
individual, uh, who is,

01:24:50.200 --> 01:24:53.800
uh, operating on the
forefront of, uh, using

01:24:53.889 --> 01:24:57.610
siliciden I guess, and
other substances for

01:24:57.639 --> 01:25:00.340
treating depression
and anxiety and PTSD.

01:25:00.340 --> 01:25:03.010
And this guy went down
to Costa Rica as well.

01:25:03.010 --> 01:25:06.945
And if I'm recalling it
correctly, And he was

01:25:06.945 --> 01:25:10.934
talking about, um, he
was referencing and I've

01:25:10.934 --> 01:25:12.375
never crossed, checked
your cross reference

01:25:12.375 --> 01:25:15.315
there, but referencing
a lot of different, uh,

01:25:16.304 --> 01:25:19.775
uh, scientific articles,
Stephen, Stephen's

01:25:19.775 --> 01:25:23.295
something Bartlett it'll
come to me anyways.

01:25:23.415 --> 01:25:26.835
Uh, I find it
well, I find it

01:25:26.835 --> 01:25:27.554
really interesting.

01:25:27.644 --> 01:25:30.495
I mean, from the PTSD
side, we had taught Hi-C

01:25:30.495 --> 01:25:33.644
from veteran hunters
who deals with veterans

01:25:33.644 --> 01:25:37.005
with PTSD and, uh,
uses hunting as a way

01:25:37.005 --> 01:25:40.365
to be present and out
in the, in the woods.

01:25:40.365 --> 01:25:44.144
And, uh, he was, I
learned a lot from

01:25:44.144 --> 01:25:46.035
him talking back and
forth about the people

01:25:46.035 --> 01:25:48.014
he works with and the
struggles that he's had

01:25:48.014 --> 01:25:52.455
and, uh, how PTSD is
something that is, um,

01:25:52.605 --> 01:25:53.594
constantly changing.

01:25:53.625 --> 01:25:55.815
I mean, I think the
DSM four defined

01:25:55.815 --> 01:25:56.415
it in one way.

01:25:56.415 --> 01:25:59.355
DSM five has changed
that and kind of changed

01:25:59.385 --> 01:26:01.965
the term of trauma, what
that actually means.

01:26:01.965 --> 01:26:03.615
And, and they're
starting to learn

01:26:03.615 --> 01:26:04.724
that you can actually.

01:26:05.730 --> 01:26:10.140
Pass on some of the, uh,
the traits to your kids

01:26:10.140 --> 01:26:12.300
apparently, and to your,
to your family members,

01:26:12.300 --> 01:26:15.180
because you either are
experiencing it from your

01:26:15.180 --> 01:26:16.500
directing experience.

01:26:16.740 --> 01:26:18.900
You're dealing with it
indirectly, let's say

01:26:18.900 --> 01:26:22.620
like a, a 9 1, 1 operator
or you're dealing with

01:26:22.620 --> 01:26:25.800
it through, um, I forget
there's a third way

01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:27.540
that they mentioned, but
essentially like your

01:26:27.540 --> 01:26:29.640
kids coming back and
seeing how you operate

01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:30.420
and deal with things.

01:26:30.420 --> 01:26:35.760
And yeah, so there's,
there's a lot of

01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:36.930
information out there.

01:26:37.050 --> 01:26:40.080
Um, like I said, I
haven't done, uh, my

01:26:40.080 --> 01:26:42.120
own personal research
on it, but the one thing

01:26:42.120 --> 01:26:46.140
that always has struck
me is the reluctance

01:26:46.170 --> 01:26:48.600
for people to come
out and talk about it.

01:26:48.630 --> 01:26:52.230
And the stigma that's
associated with, um,

01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:55.860
looking at alternative
medicine or alternative.

01:26:56.565 --> 01:26:59.265
Ways to deal with
with anything, right.

01:26:59.295 --> 01:27:02.115
I mean, let's not get
started about some of

01:27:02.115 --> 01:27:03.375
the other things that
are going on in the

01:27:03.375 --> 01:27:07.755
world at the moment,
but, um, I, I guess

01:27:07.755 --> 01:27:10.635
traditionally they've
had talk therapy, right.

01:27:10.635 --> 01:27:13.485
And they just try and
rewire the brain and

01:27:13.635 --> 01:27:15.915
generate new neural
pathways through, uh,

01:27:16.385 --> 01:27:18.705
uh, helping a person
experience an event

01:27:18.765 --> 01:27:21.075
or, uh, relate to an
event differently.

01:27:21.075 --> 01:27:23.175
Or they've got, uh,
anti-psychotics or

01:27:23.175 --> 01:27:26.295
antidepressants and,
uh, the selective

01:27:26.295 --> 01:27:30.405
solar serotonin
re-uptake inhibitors,

01:27:30.405 --> 01:27:33.405
the SSRI or SNRI or
whatever they have.

01:27:33.405 --> 01:27:36.195
And that's just where
everyone's been looking.

01:27:37.035 --> 01:27:40.065
And, uh, when you
started talking a bit

01:27:40.065 --> 01:27:43.065
about the, like, let's
say psilocybin for the

01:27:43.395 --> 01:27:47.355
treatment of depression
or PTSD or anxiety,

01:27:48.405 --> 01:27:50.115
obviously I've heard
about this before,

01:27:50.175 --> 01:27:52.665
but I started, I just
started at scratch the

01:27:52.665 --> 01:27:53.685
tip of the iceberg.

01:27:54.045 --> 01:27:55.215
There's a lot of.

01:27:56.115 --> 01:28:00.105
Information out there,
but it seems like people

01:28:00.105 --> 01:28:02.115
have been looking at this
for a very long time.

01:28:02.865 --> 01:28:04.065
How come, how come?

01:28:04.065 --> 01:28:05.745
We're not at a point
here where people are

01:28:05.745 --> 01:28:07.455
willing to kind of
take that next step.

01:28:07.485 --> 01:28:08.955
Everything looks
experimental.

01:28:09.345 --> 01:28:09.765
Yeah.

01:28:09.915 --> 01:28:12.465
It's because of the
war on drugs, back in

01:28:12.465 --> 01:28:14.325
the day in the sixties,
you know, they were all

01:28:14.325 --> 01:28:17.685
categorized as the same,
a class sort of thing.

01:28:17.685 --> 01:28:19.005
And there was a
lot of, there's a

01:28:19.005 --> 01:28:20.115
campaign against it.

01:28:20.385 --> 01:28:23.775
And that goes back to the
war in Vietnam and all

01:28:23.775 --> 01:28:24.855
the hippies basically.

01:28:25.695 --> 01:28:29.505
Um, but since that time
that is affected our

01:28:29.565 --> 01:28:33.165
perception of it over
my perception, what I

01:28:33.165 --> 01:28:34.635
learned in school, I'm
sure what you learn

01:28:34.644 --> 01:28:35.415
in school and stuff.

01:28:37.395 --> 01:28:39.405
Only recently in the
two thousands that

01:28:39.405 --> 01:28:40.875
studies have been
allowed to happen

01:28:40.875 --> 01:28:43.365
again, and it's really
grown some momentum.

01:28:43.875 --> 01:28:46.635
Um, and I can't
cite the studies

01:28:46.635 --> 01:28:47.925
cause I don't have a
good enough memory.

01:28:48.315 --> 01:28:51.615
Uh, but the things that
I've read and seen for

01:28:51.615 --> 01:28:54.585
one instance, uh, which
Jordan Peterson talks

01:28:54.585 --> 01:28:58.125
about, uh, after one
psilocybin session, um,

01:28:58.965 --> 01:29:02.805
for smokers, 80% of the
people that were smoking

01:29:02.835 --> 01:29:03.885
actually quit smoking.

01:29:03.885 --> 01:29:06.045
And then three months
down the line had still

01:29:06.135 --> 01:29:08.145
not had a cigarette
since that session.

01:29:08.415 --> 01:29:09.885
And it isn't just
taking mushrooms.

01:29:09.885 --> 01:29:12.675
It's like integration,
uh, and talking

01:29:12.675 --> 01:29:13.725
about afterwards.

01:29:14.055 --> 01:29:15.795
Um, and the, the
results from that is

01:29:15.795 --> 01:29:16.905
astounding really.

01:29:17.235 --> 01:29:19.245
Um, and for similar
things like that,

01:29:19.515 --> 01:29:20.765
I've read about.

01:29:21.885 --> 01:29:24.735
I actually have found
that psychologists and

01:29:24.735 --> 01:29:27.675
psychiatrists are quite
welcoming of this new

01:29:28.155 --> 01:29:31.215
age of the psychedelics
coming in because

01:29:31.635 --> 01:29:33.345
they've been, their
hands have been tied.

01:29:33.345 --> 01:29:34.635
They haven't had
the tools or the

01:29:34.635 --> 01:29:35.595
medicines really.

01:29:35.595 --> 01:29:37.515
They they're given
all these drugs, that

01:29:37.515 --> 01:29:39.225
kind of numb symptoms.

01:29:39.615 --> 01:29:42.885
Um, but psilocybin and
other substances are

01:29:42.915 --> 01:29:45.765
used in the right way can
actually cure the source

01:29:45.825 --> 01:29:49.785
of the pain, um, in a
way, which is incredible.

01:29:49.815 --> 01:29:51.525
That's what we
need right now.

01:29:51.615 --> 01:29:54.555
And not just for PTSD,
but was a higher number

01:29:54.555 --> 01:29:56.265
of depressed people
around the world.

01:29:56.505 --> 01:29:58.875
Lots of other issues,
uh, even addiction

01:29:58.875 --> 01:29:59.625
and maybe not.

01:29:59.625 --> 01:30:02.985
So the cyber, but other
substances, I Boca teen,

01:30:03.255 --> 01:30:05.385
I think I'm saying that
right, but maybe not,

01:30:05.805 --> 01:30:08.805
um, is, is very powerful
in Q1 addiction of

01:30:08.865 --> 01:30:10.185
opioids, for instance.

01:30:10.575 --> 01:30:12.615
So I think this is
something that is

01:30:12.615 --> 01:30:14.895
going to be exploding
over the next few

01:30:14.895 --> 01:30:17.835
years, but I think we
need to look at it.

01:30:19.110 --> 01:30:21.750
And I'm also in contact
with an organization

01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:25.260
called heroic hearts,
where they're bypassing

01:30:25.440 --> 01:30:27.870
the legal requirements
of, uh, the United

01:30:27.870 --> 01:30:31.470
States and England
and send in veterans.

01:30:31.530 --> 01:30:34.755
It's a charity to a,
there's a center in Costa

01:30:34.755 --> 01:30:37.860
Rica and a few round that
region of south America,

01:30:38.190 --> 01:30:42.240
uh, to have experiences,
uh, and, and deal with

01:30:42.240 --> 01:30:44.370
their traumas in this
way and having a lot

01:30:44.370 --> 01:30:45.480
of positive results.

01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:48.450
Um, and it's a question
that I don't see the

01:30:48.450 --> 01:30:50.580
argument because the
people that are going

01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:53.250
are already in pain
and they've already

01:30:53.340 --> 01:30:54.300
most of the time.

01:30:55.410 --> 01:30:57.060
Going through every
avenue available

01:30:57.060 --> 01:30:59.100
to them and they're
looking for help.

01:30:59.190 --> 01:31:01.860
And if some of those, if
five out of 10 of those

01:31:01.860 --> 01:31:04.290
come back and have a
positive outlook on it.

01:31:04.590 --> 01:31:06.420
And I can tell you
it's more than five

01:31:06.510 --> 01:31:09.090
from my experience of
speaking to people and

01:31:09.200 --> 01:31:10.170
reading the studies.

01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:12.510
There's, there's no
downside to that.

01:31:13.210 --> 01:31:14.010
In my opinion,

01:31:14.970 --> 01:31:17.250
I, you know, what I've
always found interesting

01:31:17.250 --> 01:31:20.820
is personal find
themselves in a situation

01:31:21.060 --> 01:31:24.150
where they've got some,
some mental health

01:31:24.150 --> 01:31:26.790
problems and, and, uh,
mental health has always

01:31:26.790 --> 01:31:27.930
had this social stigma.

01:31:28.140 --> 01:31:29.130
Can't talk about it.

01:31:29.130 --> 01:31:29.610
You're weak.

01:31:29.610 --> 01:31:31.620
If you have mental health
problems or whatever

01:31:31.620 --> 01:31:35.670
it is, and it be a
sort of hidden away.

01:31:35.700 --> 01:31:37.500
I like the fact that it's
being talked about more.

01:31:37.530 --> 01:31:39.810
I mean, with COVID, I'm,
there's lots of people

01:31:39.810 --> 01:31:42.360
that are struggling
with trying to keep a

01:31:42.360 --> 01:31:45.120
business going or have
social connections or,

01:31:45.660 --> 01:31:48.750
um, mental health is,
is being talked about,

01:31:48.750 --> 01:31:51.000
I think anyways, on,
on a greater scale,

01:31:51.839 --> 01:31:58.950
But you, you look at
the, um, you take a

01:31:58.950 --> 01:32:00.959
look at the approach
to the mental health.

01:32:01.110 --> 01:32:05.370
And the one thing that
has kind of stuck out

01:32:05.370 --> 01:32:09.299
in our conversations
is, uh, you can, you

01:32:09.299 --> 01:32:12.959
can do talk therapy
and that's good, bad.

01:32:12.959 --> 01:32:14.849
It can provide people
with framework and

01:32:14.849 --> 01:32:15.990
tools to work with.

01:32:15.990 --> 01:32:18.089
And, but you gotta have
somebody who's matched

01:32:18.089 --> 01:32:20.129
up to your personality
and mean if you've got

01:32:20.129 --> 01:32:22.559
somebody who's an ex
military and they're

01:32:22.559 --> 01:32:24.480
talking to with a
talk therapist who's

01:32:24.839 --> 01:32:26.969
does not have the same
way, was completely

01:32:26.969 --> 01:32:27.870
unable to relate.

01:32:28.410 --> 01:32:31.440
It's not going to have
as much value, um,

01:32:31.650 --> 01:32:34.799
there's medications,
but these medications

01:32:34.799 --> 01:32:37.290
seem to be something
that are an ongoing.

01:32:38.565 --> 01:32:39.315
Prescription.

01:32:39.735 --> 01:32:42.075
And when that will
change as your body

01:32:42.075 --> 01:32:44.055
chemistry changes,
because everyone's body

01:32:44.055 --> 01:32:46.185
chemistry is different
and they're kind of like

01:32:46.185 --> 01:32:49.395
just putting a little bit
of chemicals in the water

01:32:49.395 --> 01:32:51.405
to see what color it
turns and what let's try

01:32:51.405 --> 01:32:52.155
a little bit of this one.

01:32:52.155 --> 01:32:54.975
Let's try a little bit
of that one and we'll

01:32:54.975 --> 01:32:57.015
see how long it lasts
for until we have to kind

01:32:57.015 --> 01:32:57.975
of change it up again.

01:32:57.975 --> 01:33:00.675
But from the little
bit I've been looking

01:33:00.675 --> 01:33:01.995
at, and that you've
been talking about,

01:33:02.625 --> 01:33:04.665
um, these treatments
seem to be more

01:33:04.665 --> 01:33:06.795
focused on single use.

01:33:06.855 --> 01:33:08.895
Like I've seen, they've
got this dosing thing,

01:33:08.925 --> 01:33:12.435
but it's also like single
event one and done, which

01:33:12.435 --> 01:33:13.485
sounds like a magic pill.

01:33:13.485 --> 01:33:14.655
And it sounds phenomenal.

01:33:14.805 --> 01:33:15.105
Yeah.

01:33:15.885 --> 01:33:21.255
Um, but I think that's
probably the most

01:33:21.255 --> 01:33:23.085
interesting aspect
out of all of this.

01:33:23.085 --> 01:33:24.795
If you can find something
where you don't have to

01:33:24.795 --> 01:33:28.005
have an ongoing thing
to inhibit you, uh,

01:33:28.545 --> 01:33:32.825
re-uptake inhibitors
or whatever it is, I

01:33:32.835 --> 01:33:34.335
would guess that number
one, a person would

01:33:34.335 --> 01:33:36.115
want to take a look
at what their, their

01:33:36.195 --> 01:33:37.815
actual situation is.

01:33:37.875 --> 01:33:41.115
Cause if you're, um,
working in a tiny

01:33:41.115 --> 01:33:43.245
little cubicle every day
underneath fluorescent

01:33:43.245 --> 01:33:45.525
lights for long hours
and going home and

01:33:45.525 --> 01:33:47.804
you have no social
connections, so no social

01:33:47.804 --> 01:33:49.304
network, and you're
doing that on a regular

01:33:49.304 --> 01:33:51.795
basis, you can medicate
that person until the

01:33:51.795 --> 01:33:53.925
end of the time, but
you're just, you're

01:33:53.925 --> 01:33:55.724
just putting band-aids
on a problem, right?

01:33:55.755 --> 01:33:56.025
Yeah.

01:33:56.525 --> 01:33:58.485
So I would think a person
would really want to try

01:33:58.485 --> 01:34:01.695
and drill down and assess
what their situation

01:34:01.695 --> 01:34:03.855
is so they can change
it, lead a more healthy

01:34:03.855 --> 01:34:07.545
lifestyle, more exercise,
better diet and better

01:34:07.545 --> 01:34:08.594
social connections.

01:34:09.224 --> 01:34:14.925
Um, but from what you've
been seeing, it sounds

01:34:14.925 --> 01:34:18.054
like from your research
anyways, these, uh,

01:34:18.054 --> 01:34:21.795
uh, these events, these
siliciden events, or

01:34:21.795 --> 01:34:22.575
what did you call it?

01:34:22.575 --> 01:34:23.235
A guided

01:34:24.525 --> 01:34:24.945
citizen?

01:34:25.035 --> 01:34:27.585
Um, like psychedelic
assisted therapy, that's

01:34:27.585 --> 01:34:27.764
it?

01:34:27.885 --> 01:34:28.205
Yeah.

01:34:28.724 --> 01:34:29.594
These, these are more.

01:34:30.495 --> 01:34:32.535
Uh, individual
thing, not like some

01:34:32.535 --> 01:34:33.315
ongoing.

01:34:33.615 --> 01:34:33.884
Yeah.

01:34:33.974 --> 01:34:36.644
So it's a one session
of the psilocybin

01:34:36.674 --> 01:34:37.384
with the iOS.

01:34:37.394 --> 01:34:39.075
Can you do a few
sessions, but you don't

01:34:39.075 --> 01:34:40.365
just rive and then do it.

01:34:40.455 --> 01:34:40.695
It's.

01:34:41.550 --> 01:34:44.430
A buildup of talking
about it, learning

01:34:44.430 --> 01:34:46.740
about the substance
and the culture of

01:34:46.740 --> 01:34:49.050
it as well, having
the session, and then

01:34:49.200 --> 01:34:51.450
speaking with a therapist
afterwards, see, do

01:34:51.450 --> 01:34:53.309
have this talk therapy
after which, which is

01:34:53.519 --> 01:34:55.590
extremely beneficial if
you're going to do it.

01:34:55.889 --> 01:34:59.250
And that's just set
aside, but in like a, a

01:34:59.250 --> 01:35:01.740
medical setting for it
to happen inside Canada,

01:35:01.740 --> 01:35:04.170
which there are clinical
trials Charles happened

01:35:04.180 --> 01:35:07.530
in and Vancouver UBC
a instrument when this

01:35:07.530 --> 01:35:09.930
is quite interesting,
why I've ended up in

01:35:09.930 --> 01:35:11.550
this environment and
connected with these

01:35:11.550 --> 01:35:12.510
people around here.

01:35:12.510 --> 01:35:14.400
And also I've invested
in the industry

01:35:14.400 --> 01:35:15.780
as well, because I
want to support it.

01:35:16.380 --> 01:35:18.210
There's quite a
boom, the Shroom

01:35:18.210 --> 01:35:19.620
boom for investment.

01:35:20.010 --> 01:35:21.450
And a lot of those
companies are

01:35:21.450 --> 01:35:22.080
based in banks.

01:35:22.725 --> 01:35:23.145
Okay.

01:35:23.235 --> 01:35:25.875
So quite forward thinking
in this country, I think

01:35:25.905 --> 01:35:28.695
Canada could make that
step first and I hope

01:35:28.695 --> 01:35:32.055
they do because they
do need something to

01:35:32.055 --> 01:35:34.485
deal with a lot of the
problems, mental health

01:35:34.485 --> 01:35:36.525
issues that we have
in the society here.

01:35:37.125 --> 01:35:39.825
Um, but yeah, the,
the idea of it being

01:35:39.825 --> 01:35:43.305
a one session thing
and not ongoing is

01:35:43.425 --> 01:35:44.835
kind of unbelievable.

01:35:45.045 --> 01:35:47.085
And if you don't believe
what I'm saying, I

01:35:47.085 --> 01:35:50.085
do urge you to, um,
research and there's

01:35:50.085 --> 01:35:53.145
one book that I've read,
um, called, uh, how

01:35:53.145 --> 01:35:54.105
to change your mind.

01:35:54.465 --> 01:35:58.155
Um, let me just think,
Michael Poland is the

01:35:58.155 --> 01:36:02.405
author and he's a well
establish establish also

01:36:02.425 --> 01:36:04.635
has been on the Joe Rogan
experience and things.

01:36:05.025 --> 01:36:07.725
Um, and he was very much
against psychedelics.

01:36:08.055 --> 01:36:09.795
And then he decided
to embark on this

01:36:09.795 --> 01:36:12.855
journey where he, uh,
he took the substances,

01:36:13.125 --> 01:36:15.165
researched a lot, and
then he wrote a book

01:36:15.165 --> 01:36:17.445
about it and he changed
his perception of it.

01:36:17.445 --> 01:36:18.525
And he challenges people.

01:36:19.500 --> 01:36:22.710
Just think of it as a, as
a new medicine basically.

01:36:22.980 --> 01:36:25.020
And it isn't going
to affect the

01:36:25.020 --> 01:36:25.770
everyday person.

01:36:25.770 --> 01:36:27.000
No one's coming to
your house is saying,

01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:29.880
you need to try
this magic mushroom.

01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:32.430
You know, we're talking
about a medicine for

01:36:32.490 --> 01:36:34.950
people that need the help
and it's not something

01:36:34.950 --> 01:36:36.450
that's new for me.

01:36:36.480 --> 01:36:41.010
It feels very natural
that the fact that they

01:36:41.010 --> 01:36:43.890
grow up on the fields,
like not far from here,

01:36:44.100 --> 01:36:48.270
you know,  mushroom with
the red one with the

01:36:49.350 --> 01:36:49.800
close one.

01:36:49.950 --> 01:36:50.670
We've got it in my kid's

01:36:50.670 --> 01:36:51.090
school.

01:36:51.780 --> 01:36:52.050
Yeah.

01:36:52.260 --> 01:36:53.700
But that, isn't one
that you should use.

01:36:53.700 --> 01:36:55.200
That's a bad one.

01:36:55.200 --> 01:36:56.220
That's not psilocybin.

01:36:56.220 --> 01:36:56.790
It's a different,

01:36:57.180 --> 01:36:59.070
I might find some
bullets bullet, how

01:36:59.070 --> 01:36:59.670
he's get in trouble.

01:36:59.700 --> 01:37:00.900
Bullets, bullets.

01:37:00.960 --> 01:37:02.940
You might sign some
bullets near that.

01:37:02.970 --> 01:37:04.620
If you're looking for
like the king bullet

01:37:04.620 --> 01:37:06.060
or anything else,
look for the enemy

01:37:06.060 --> 01:37:06.690
to have a scarier.

01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:07.350
Yeah.

01:37:07.440 --> 01:37:09.360
I wouldn't advise
ever picking mushrooms

01:37:09.930 --> 01:37:13.050
as a bad thing to
do, but, um, yeah.

01:37:13.950 --> 01:37:16.469
That these things are
not like a synthetic

01:37:16.469 --> 01:37:18.840
material that's made by
pharmaceutical companies.

01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:20.610
These things grow all
over the world and

01:37:20.610 --> 01:37:22.469
they've been used by
cultures in different

01:37:22.469 --> 01:37:25.080
various parts of the
world for many years.

01:37:25.170 --> 01:37:28.139
Um, as a medicine,
uh, I think we

01:37:28.139 --> 01:37:28.830
should look at that.

01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:30.900
I think it's something,
it says something.

01:37:31.200 --> 01:37:33.960
And I'll tell you now
I've personally used, sat

01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:36.750
aside psilocybin because
I don't want to advocate

01:37:36.750 --> 01:37:39.420
for something that I
don't have experience on.

01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:42.420
Um, so I've, I've done
two sessions personally.

01:37:42.809 --> 01:37:46.710
Um, and what's it
like, uh, it wasn't

01:37:46.769 --> 01:37:48.240
a mind blowing.

01:37:48.330 --> 01:37:50.190
I wasn't seeing like
little creatures and

01:37:50.190 --> 01:37:50.969
things like that.

01:37:51.330 --> 01:37:53.280
Uh, it was done in
my house, in it,

01:37:53.400 --> 01:37:56.099
like everything quiet
and in the darkness.

01:37:56.429 --> 01:37:59.040
Um, take a dose and
then have a sitter

01:37:59.070 --> 01:38:01.950
outside who would assist
me if I needed it.

01:38:02.309 --> 01:38:03.509
Um, so

01:38:03.509 --> 01:38:05.670
you're completely
alone as you're

01:38:05.670 --> 01:38:06.179
going through this.

01:38:07.725 --> 01:38:08.265
Process.

01:38:08.265 --> 01:38:10.995
So you'd take it and
then you'd lie down

01:38:11.085 --> 01:38:12.705
and be in darkness.

01:38:12.705 --> 01:38:15.945
Preferably, and for
me, what I got out of

01:38:15.945 --> 01:38:19.125
it was that basically
it grounded me and

01:38:19.125 --> 01:38:22.215
showed me that I need to
focus on the important

01:38:22.215 --> 01:38:24.585
things in my life and
not keep looking ahead

01:38:24.615 --> 01:38:25.515
to the next thing.

01:38:25.515 --> 01:38:27.105
Cause that's something
that I've had in me

01:38:27.525 --> 01:38:29.445
from a young age, always
focusing on the next

01:38:29.445 --> 01:38:30.285
goal, the next goal.

01:38:30.555 --> 01:38:32.655
And I kind of can't do
that now that I have

01:38:32.655 --> 01:38:35.445
a daughter, like her
reality is waking up

01:38:35.445 --> 01:38:38.055
every day and I create
that because we're in

01:38:38.055 --> 01:38:40.305
the same house, you know,
if I'm stressed about

01:38:40.305 --> 01:38:43.755
work or finances that
affects her and this is

01:38:43.755 --> 01:38:47.955
her life and it, it just
made me check myself and

01:38:47.955 --> 01:38:50.025
think, right, this is
a bit of a reset here.

01:38:50.415 --> 01:38:53.175
I need to focus on being
about husband of our

01:38:53.175 --> 01:38:56.625
father, um, balance my
life, a bit more, um,

01:38:56.855 --> 01:38:57.945
um, healthy person.

01:38:57.945 --> 01:39:01.125
Anyway, I, I will
admit, um, but also.

01:39:03.480 --> 01:39:05.490
Steered me towards
going out in nature.

01:39:05.490 --> 01:39:07.410
We go on a lot more
hikes because of it.

01:39:07.440 --> 01:39:07.860
Really?

01:39:07.890 --> 01:39:08.370
Yeah.

01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:10.560
It was a strange
experience.

01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:13.140
And I wouldn't say
like, go and do

01:39:13.140 --> 01:39:14.190
it, everyone do it.

01:39:14.310 --> 01:39:16.230
I just did it because
I w I don't want to

01:39:16.230 --> 01:39:18.150
be advocating for
something that turns

01:39:18.150 --> 01:39:22.350
out to be a ludicrous
thing dangerous.

01:39:22.650 --> 01:39:25.920
Um, and if it does
become a normalized

01:39:26.250 --> 01:39:28.350
thing in society, then
it wouldn't be taken it

01:39:28.350 --> 01:39:31.530
on your own and be in a
center retreat, or like

01:39:31.530 --> 01:39:33.630
a medical setting where
you have professionals

01:39:33.630 --> 01:39:34.290
to guide you.

01:39:34.980 --> 01:39:36.720
Um, but for me,
I think it is.

01:39:37.605 --> 01:39:39.795
It's something to be
looked at and not even

01:39:39.795 --> 01:39:41.715
on your spiritual side,
a lot of the people that

01:39:41.715 --> 01:39:44.325
are surrounded in this
area, um, particularly

01:39:44.325 --> 01:39:45.805
when I go to Costa
Rica, I know that

01:39:45.805 --> 01:39:49.065
they're cause they're
quite, um, hippy-ish

01:39:49.875 --> 01:39:50.745
yeah, that's it.

01:39:51.075 --> 01:39:52.605
It's taking their
crystals and washing

01:39:52.605 --> 01:39:54.135
them and waterfalls
on a full moon.

01:39:54.135 --> 01:39:54.825
That sort of thing.

01:39:56.955 --> 01:40:00.795
These people are a bit
strange to me, but know

01:40:00.945 --> 01:40:03.405
that they may, I may have
something to learn from

01:40:03.405 --> 01:40:05.505
these people, especially
in the healing aspect.

01:40:05.505 --> 01:40:07.455
Cause they seem quite
at peace with their life

01:40:07.485 --> 01:40:09.345
and at one with nature.

01:40:09.405 --> 01:40:11.235
And I think that's
something that we do need

01:40:11.235 --> 01:40:12.645
as a society as well.

01:40:13.005 --> 01:40:17.775
Um, but I'm experimenting
in terms of, I want

01:40:17.775 --> 01:40:19.935
to try and advocate
because I think the

01:40:19.935 --> 01:40:22.185
public perception is
the one, the big hurdle.

01:40:22.545 --> 01:40:24.555
And because I have a,
a tick-tock following

01:40:24.555 --> 01:40:27.315
and stuff like that, I'm
going to try and do some

01:40:27.315 --> 01:40:28.425
work with heroic hearts.

01:40:28.425 --> 01:40:30.615
Also I have my own
Tik TOK that I've just

01:40:30.615 --> 01:40:33.465
started called do the
recce, um, recognizance.

01:40:34.965 --> 01:40:37.755
Highlight studies
highlight information

01:40:37.755 --> 01:40:39.375
that comes out just the
people couldn't look

01:40:39.375 --> 01:40:41.745
at it and read and just
learn a bit more and

01:40:41.745 --> 01:40:44.415
have a bit of an open
mind about the subjects

01:40:44.415 --> 01:40:46.815
because yeah, I think
we're going in that

01:40:46.875 --> 01:40:49.665
direction for a mental
health side of things.

01:40:49.935 --> 01:40:51.285
I don't think there
should be too much

01:40:51.315 --> 01:40:53.655
pushback if it's
shown to help.

01:40:54.510 --> 01:40:56.100
From my opinion, it
has been shown to

01:40:56.100 --> 01:40:56.820
help a lot.

01:40:57.180 --> 01:40:57.720
Interesting.

01:40:57.750 --> 01:41:00.450
Well, that spirituality
side I've read that some

01:41:00.450 --> 01:41:03.540
people will have that
siliciden experience.

01:41:03.570 --> 01:41:06.450
And up to a year
later still be feeling

01:41:06.450 --> 01:41:09.810
the benefits of, I
guess, people call

01:41:09.810 --> 01:41:12.120
it or refer to it as
sort of a profound,

01:41:12.150 --> 01:41:13.500
spiritual experience.

01:41:14.190 --> 01:41:15.900
And I guess spirituality
is going to be

01:41:15.900 --> 01:41:17.730
something different
for everybody, right?

01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:21.150
Whether it's some, some
person in the sky or,

01:41:21.170 --> 01:41:23.130
or some connection with
nature or connection

01:41:23.130 --> 01:41:25.140
with others or what,
whatever it is.

01:41:25.140 --> 01:41:27.630
But that spirituality
feeling seems to

01:41:27.630 --> 01:41:29.820
be pretty heavily
intertwined with the

01:41:29.820 --> 01:41:31.230
whole siliciden thing.

01:41:31.740 --> 01:41:32.100
Yeah.

01:41:32.280 --> 01:41:35.070
And for me, I don't know
if I got this spiritual

01:41:35.070 --> 01:41:37.500
side of things come
out, but I just had a,

01:41:38.160 --> 01:41:40.380
uh, like a grounding
moment where I was.

01:41:41.250 --> 01:41:43.410
Realize that I'm the,
like, I actually feel

01:41:43.410 --> 01:41:46.050
like a tribesmen is
what came to mind

01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:48.900
for me that I am a
protector of my family.

01:41:49.260 --> 01:41:52.920
I'm a, like an alpha male
and don't hide from that.

01:41:52.950 --> 01:41:54.810
Just that is who I am.

01:41:54.900 --> 01:41:57.810
That's what I've grown up
being like, acknowledged

01:41:57.810 --> 01:42:00.390
that that is what my
role in this family is.

01:42:00.480 --> 01:42:02.310
I'm the protector here.

01:42:02.640 --> 01:42:07.440
Um, and also realize
what's important.

01:42:07.680 --> 01:42:10.260
And what is important
is my family like inside

01:42:10.260 --> 01:42:12.600
these walls, in my home,
inside these walls of

01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:15.720
my mind as well is,
uh, things that I need

01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:18.660
to address and deal
with rather than just

01:42:18.660 --> 01:42:20.090
looking at in the future.

01:42:20.130 --> 01:42:22.200
If I get this, uh,
achievement, then

01:42:22.200 --> 01:42:23.070
I'll be successful.

01:42:23.070 --> 01:42:24.510
I'll be happy
once I get there.

01:42:26.160 --> 01:42:28.110
And I don't do meditation
or anything like that,

01:42:28.140 --> 01:42:29.880
but these spiritual
people were talking

01:42:29.880 --> 01:42:30.600
about meditation.

01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:32.790
I would like to go
down that avenue, but I

01:42:32.790 --> 01:42:33.870
haven't experienced that.

01:42:33.930 --> 01:42:34.140
Yeah.

01:42:34.440 --> 01:42:35.070
Interesting.

01:42:35.280 --> 01:42:37.200
And that, that statement,
I will be happy

01:42:37.200 --> 01:42:38.970
when I'll be happy.

01:42:38.970 --> 01:42:40.560
When I get there,
when I achieved

01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:41.550
this, I'll be happy.

01:42:42.390 --> 01:42:44.130
And that's, that's
something that I think

01:42:44.130 --> 01:42:46.830
a lot of people can
really benefit from.

01:42:47.040 --> 01:42:49.110
Uh, and, and I think, I
think there's a lot to

01:42:49.110 --> 01:42:50.730
be said for meditation
as well, like you're

01:42:50.730 --> 01:42:55.950
saying, but how do you,
uh, take a look at what

01:42:55.950 --> 01:42:58.500
you currently have and
be happy for what you

01:42:58.500 --> 01:42:59.740
currently do have, right.

01:42:59.740 --> 01:43:00.660
And then there's
going to be people in

01:43:00.660 --> 01:43:02.370
situations where yes,
there's going to be

01:43:02.580 --> 01:43:03.450
things in their life.

01:43:03.450 --> 01:43:05.940
They should be looking
at making a positive

01:43:05.940 --> 01:43:07.680
change towards
which will probably

01:43:07.740 --> 01:43:10.620
ultimately lead to more
happiness from them.

01:43:12.030 --> 01:43:15.540
But so often I find
people are spending

01:43:15.540 --> 01:43:17.700
their time comparing
themselves to what

01:43:17.700 --> 01:43:21.060
their definition or
ideal of what happiness

01:43:21.090 --> 01:43:23.550
should be and completely
missing the plot that.

01:43:24.450 --> 01:43:27.060
What you're experiencing
in that moment is in

01:43:27.060 --> 01:43:29.820
fact what most people
should strive towards.

01:43:30.300 --> 01:43:30.630
Yeah.

01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:32.910
I don't know if,
yeah, I agree.

01:43:32.910 --> 01:43:35.460
And I'm trying to take
into account that the

01:43:35.460 --> 01:43:37.350
older generation they're
giving me advice at

01:43:37.350 --> 01:43:39.720
work and things, and
there's a lot of people

01:43:39.750 --> 01:43:42.420
that are divorced in
my line of work, who

01:43:42.420 --> 01:43:46.440
have spent their time
working and missed out

01:43:46.440 --> 01:43:48.540
on spending time, their
children and their

01:43:48.540 --> 01:43:50.910
wife they've neglected
attention to their wife

01:43:50.910 --> 01:43:54.870
or, or, or caring for
them, uh, grown apart.

01:43:54.870 --> 01:43:58.080
And I'm trying to look
at that and put that into

01:43:58.080 --> 01:44:01.350
my own life and realize
what is important.

01:44:03.014 --> 01:44:05.504
Uh, so yeah, I'm going
to go to Costa Rica.

01:44:05.745 --> 01:44:08.384
I'm going to try
and work as a fixer

01:44:08.384 --> 01:44:08.985
in the industry.

01:44:08.985 --> 01:44:09.855
We call it a fixer.

01:44:09.855 --> 01:44:12.254
So if people were
interested in, in, if

01:44:12.254 --> 01:44:14.315
they're on their last
legs, that they, they

01:44:14.745 --> 01:44:16.335
have nowhere to turn,
then I'm going to have

01:44:16.335 --> 01:44:18.075
a site where you can
speak to me and I'll try

01:44:18.075 --> 01:44:20.684
and organize and give
you just information

01:44:20.714 --> 01:44:22.575
about the centers
and what happens.

01:44:22.605 --> 01:44:25.485
And I'm just going to try
and expand my knowledge.

01:44:25.575 --> 01:44:28.514
Um, most down there, make
connections and try and

01:44:28.514 --> 01:44:29.594
help in any way I can.

01:44:29.594 --> 01:44:32.144
And I've been in contact
with, uh, Jesse gold.

01:44:32.144 --> 01:44:34.905
Who's the, the CEO of
the, um, who are at

01:44:34.905 --> 01:44:36.794
carts, which is quite,
they had a New York

01:44:36.794 --> 01:44:39.945
times article written
a couple of years back.

01:44:40.004 --> 01:44:41.714
And they're like the
leader for veterans.

01:44:41.714 --> 01:44:43.394
And there's one in
the UK as well, who

01:44:43.394 --> 01:44:44.384
are at carts UK.

01:44:44.625 --> 01:44:46.844
So we kind of try and
liaise with them and help

01:44:46.844 --> 01:44:48.224
them out as well, because
they're doing great

01:44:48.224 --> 01:44:48.674
work.

01:44:48.855 --> 01:44:49.335
Very cool.

01:44:49.575 --> 01:44:50.504
We'll get some
of those links.

01:44:50.504 --> 01:44:51.615
We'll put them
on here as well.

01:44:51.615 --> 01:44:53.445
So anybody who
wants to learn more

01:44:53.445 --> 01:44:54.224
can look into it.

01:44:55.094 --> 01:44:56.594
I find it fascinating.

01:44:56.594 --> 01:44:57.974
I find it very
interesting.

01:44:58.035 --> 01:44:59.894
I've talked to other
people that have been

01:44:59.894 --> 01:45:03.075
through, uh, different
modalities for dealing

01:45:03.075 --> 01:45:05.535
with their anxiety,
depression, or PTSD.

01:45:05.535 --> 01:45:10.335
And, um, some people are
ardently against any sort

01:45:10.335 --> 01:45:14.835
of narcotics based on
simply the social stigma.

01:45:15.285 --> 01:45:18.525
And I know some people
have had family histories

01:45:18.525 --> 01:45:22.005
of, um, had drug or
alcohol abuse and they

01:45:22.005 --> 01:45:23.775
just, they have that
ingrained in their

01:45:23.775 --> 01:45:26.894
mind has said they
won't even take doctor

01:45:26.894 --> 01:45:29.025
prescribed medications.

01:45:29.355 --> 01:45:32.955
But, um, I guess, you
know, the first step in

01:45:32.985 --> 01:45:35.054
all of these things is
just sort of normalizing

01:45:35.054 --> 01:45:36.045
the conversation.

01:45:36.615 --> 01:45:37.035
And so.

01:45:39.075 --> 01:45:40.665
Everyone being
different in different

01:45:40.665 --> 01:45:43.245
body chemistries
and different mental

01:45:43.245 --> 01:45:46.215
makeups and cognitive
and resiliencies

01:45:47.505 --> 01:45:51.195
can start choosing
from the plethora of

01:45:51.195 --> 01:45:52.905
different options that
are available there.

01:45:52.905 --> 01:45:53.894
Cause maybe suicide.

01:45:53.894 --> 01:45:55.934
One's great for one and
not for another maybe

01:45:55.934 --> 01:45:58.335
talk scrape for somebody
and not somebody else.

01:45:58.635 --> 01:45:59.144
I definitely

01:45:59.144 --> 01:46:01.305
need a doctor or
a specialist to

01:46:01.305 --> 01:46:04.445
decide these things
and siphon out the.

01:46:05.120 --> 01:46:06.530
Would benefit
from it or not.

01:46:06.530 --> 01:46:07.880
And I'm not that
person to do that.

01:46:08.270 --> 01:46:10.160
I'm just trying to
push the, uh, th

01:46:10.170 --> 01:46:12.830
the conversation,
you know, and bring

01:46:12.830 --> 01:46:14.420
it to the forefront
of people's minds.

01:46:14.630 --> 01:46:17.030
And I think because I was
in the special forces,

01:46:17.030 --> 01:46:20.030
there's this, I think
where the people that are

01:46:20.480 --> 01:46:22.820
at first in, you know,
where these are, the guys

01:46:22.820 --> 01:46:24.650
that are jumping out of
airplanes, jumping out

01:46:24.650 --> 01:46:26.990
of Hilos into the, into
the water, doing all

01:46:26.990 --> 01:46:28.040
this dangerous stuff.

01:46:28.430 --> 01:46:31.250
And then we should be
making this leap as

01:46:31.250 --> 01:46:34.280
well, because we're the
leaders of the military.

01:46:34.670 --> 01:46:37.160
Um, people look up to us
and if there is weight

01:46:37.160 --> 01:46:39.020
behind what I'm saying,
if you don't believe

01:46:39.020 --> 01:46:42.480
there is then have a look
yourself, do the recce.

01:46:42.945 --> 01:46:45.135
If we can make this
change and help

01:46:45.195 --> 01:46:47.835
our brothers, then
let's do it now.

01:46:47.885 --> 01:46:48.405
That's my

01:46:48.405 --> 01:46:48.974
perspective.

01:46:49.305 --> 01:46:50.055
That's fantastic.

01:46:50.055 --> 01:46:50.355
Sunny.

01:46:50.385 --> 01:46:52.365
Is there anything
else that we should

01:46:52.365 --> 01:46:53.144
be talking about?

01:46:53.894 --> 01:46:55.275
Uh, I don't know.

01:46:55.845 --> 01:46:57.795
I think, I think we've
covered quite a good

01:46:57.795 --> 01:46:58.724
range of things we

01:46:58.724 --> 01:46:59.115
did.

01:46:59.265 --> 01:46:59.715
Yeah.

01:46:59.805 --> 01:47:00.974
Do the you, I like it.

01:47:01.515 --> 01:47:01.785
Yeah.

01:47:01.965 --> 01:47:03.585
Thank you very much
for coming back on

01:47:03.585 --> 01:47:04.655
its silver podcast.

01:47:04.655 --> 01:47:05.565
I always enjoy speaking

01:47:05.565 --> 01:47:05.805
with you.

01:47:06.405 --> 01:47:07.155
It's been a pleasure.

01:47:07.215 --> 01:47:07.995
Thanks very much.