What if your approach to learning is actually limiting your influence as a change leader?
Many of us pride ourselves on being lifelong learners. We read, earn certifications, study new tools, and go deep into our methodology. That depth is a strength. But as your responsibility grows—from running projects to shaping transformation—what’s required of you changes.
At some point, going deeper into your method or functional expertise is no longer enough. Your role shifts from applying tools to enabling leaders to see the whole system, define the real problem before choosing an approach.
In this episode of Chain of Learning, I help you learn how to move from learning as accumulation to learning as adaptable influence.
As your scope expands, you’re no longer just responsible for executing well. You’re responsible for how others think, decide, and take ownership. That requires more than expertise. It requires the ability to step back, question the form, and respond to what the situation truly calls for.
We often define learning as going deeper into an area of expertise, but what can be missing is a shift toward adaptability and broader perspective.
A learning and growth mindset is the foundation for enabling a learning organization—yet if you get attached to one form or method, it can constrain your influence.
In this episode, you’ll explore how to:
- Describe the impact you create tools or jargon
- Move from Shuhari—rigidly following a method to adapting based on context
- Practice beginner’s mind—Shoshin, even when you’re the expert
- Identify when you’ve fallen into the Doer Trap—and choose to develop others instead
- Notice when you’re following the form in situations that call for flexibility
If you want to build a learning organization, your own learning approach must evolve first. It’s not just what you know, but how you show up.
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TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:
00:40 The Katalyst model revision and why lifelong learning was removed as a standalone competency
03:24 Why learning isn't what distinguishes your influence. It's what makes influence possible
05:07 What it means to be a lifelong learning enthusiast
06:52 Three questions every change leader should be able to answer without jargon
09:22 What 75 leaders revealed in a survey and the lesson underneath it
10:31 The concept of Shu Ha Ri that shapes how you develop and learn:
11:13 [SHU] following the form
11:25 [HA] where you begin to adapt
11:35 [RI] Transcending the form entirely
12:20 Five Toyota Kata Coaching questions developed by Mike Roth that requires learning and unlearning to develop, grow, and improve
15:05 The concept of Shoshin and clearing what's in the way
16:04 Katie's personal confession about her own telling habit and what modeling the way actually looks like in practice
17:35 The "doer trap" and why getting leadership buy-in starts with us
20:39 What lifelong learning really means and why it’s a
being practice
21:01 Three practices to try this week to create more impact
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