Peter Martin, what's up?
What's your favorite blues tune that people might, oh man,
I love it is, uh, oh, wow.
Okay. Go ahead.
Well, is that G Blues? G Blues? I love a G Blues.
Everybody loves G Blues.
But I was saying, what's your favorite blues tune
that people might not know is a blues?
Like it follows the form, but it's maybe not that obvious.
Like blues incognito kind of perfect. Yeah. Blues Incognito.
I love, yeah.
Wayne Shorter's Footprints. Great call. Great call.
Yeah. That's awesome pick. Awesome pick. Yeah.
I was gonna say something similar. Yeah, I like this one.
Check it out, guys. I don't think that's a blues.
Oh, it's o contraire. Re ah. Oui, oui,
um, yeah, that's my pick.
Okay. Well, I got another one for you. All right.
I don't know if you remember this. You were kind of young.
Okay. What Have you got the look?
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So can I do a little bit of a teaser, please?
A little bit of a do it.
A peek around the corner. Are we allowed to do that?
I mean, we're listening to Prince today,
so tease and peek away.
Tease, tease and peek. Um, that's creepy. Uh, but yeah.
So this is the end of season two. The final episode.
Well, the new season, it's really season 274.
It's, yeah, it's really season it. Although it feels like
4 75 to be honest, but
I think technically it's, of the New Seasons,
it's season three, but whatever
Really coming up is season three.
Yeah. Right. But I'm saying we're ending,
this is the last episode today
of season two Prince Siloed. The times
I've gone cross-eyed. So I don't know. Okay.
Anyway, next season. Next year as in 2026.
Are you ready for it? 'cause it's coming.
I am. It's coming like a Mack truck.
I'm ready, man. I can't wait. We've got a lot
of great albums on deck.
Yeah. Including some Sullivan Forter.
That's where I was getting, you see,
look, you're completing my
thoughts. That's what happens. Yeah.
Good. Yeah. We're gonna be listening to a bunch
of great albums, uh, in the new year.
So stick with us. But Peter, we're ending this season.
This is the official, we've got some stuff coming up in the,
in the little break, some surprises
and some maybe sneak peeks at even some new
shows that we might have.
But this is the official end of our run
before we take a little bit of a break. And, but for
The listener, it's not really gonna be much of a break.
Not much of a break. No. It's gonna be,
stuff's gonna be dropping like,
like hail in the Midwest in June.
Come on now. That's damaging. Come on Now.
Uh, we wanted to go out with kind of a bang.
Yes. And we're gonna go out with, with, oh,
If we're going to, we Go out with a banger.
And this is one of the most requested artists.
And actually this album in particular,
people have requested a ton in comments
in emails You've been telling us you
wanna hear some Prince. Are
Jazz fans, have they been, we,
we don't know if they've been asking people. Well, let's
This, so No, we actually, let's maybe
address some elephants in the room.
So in the last couple seasons, the last three seasons, yeah.
We've been doing more like jazz adjacent stuff.
We've been doing a lot of Stevie Wonder.
We've been doing a lot of Michael Jackson.
No one complained about Stevie. Let's just put that on
Stevie. We did some Marvin
Gaye. We've been doing a lot of hiphop.
We've been doing some stuff that is, is RB, r and B. Yeah.
Uh, and we've still been doing a lot of jazz. Yeah.
Um, but I don't know, maybe we should talk about that. Yeah.
Let's do a little Yeah. You know, a little bit of like
what our thoughts are on why we
kind of changed the format of the shelf.
'cause see, for years it was just like, this is a
C seven. Right.
Don't even play it.
Like, listeners and viewers are running away.
As soon as you said that,
that sounded good though, actually.
Well, yeah. We were much more of a splaining type of video.
Much more of a tutorial video podcast. Yeah.
Um, really two jazz guys talking
to other jazz guys and Yeah.
We have strayed a little bit, a lot of bit from that.
And just, I, I mean,
it's actually nothing super calculating just
'cause we're not smart and sophisticated enough Yeah.
To do too much calculation.
Um, but I think you, you know, the way
that we're pre coming up with, obviously we're, we're,
we're, we're tra you know, we're typically featuring one
album per episode, like today, prince Sign, sign
of the Times, and then we're breaking it down.
But like, how we come up with these albums,
it's actually not about what style is genre.
It's about if one of us,
or hopefully as in this case, both of us love an album.
Yeah. Like, it's either gotta be in our rotation
or used to be in our rotation
and we're excited to put it back
Impactful forest meaningful for one of us.
That's really the only criteria. Right.
And I mean, a little bit, it's sometimes for one of us,
it's more like, oh, I've always wanted
to dive deeper into that album For sure.
Or dive back into that. Or maybe sometimes, like with Largo.
Yeah. Brad meld. Brad Mel at the beginning
of last season, right?
Yeah. Earlier this year. Like, I never really checked.
I mean, I'd heard that record and I heard him playing a lot
of that music live at that time.
'cause I was, you know, touring adjacent
with him and knew him.
And we kind of came up together.
But that was a fun thing for me
because you were passionate about it and knew that record.
So that was a discovery thing for me,
and I think for a lot of folks.
So for sure, that's kind of the main philosophy.
If there is one that's the elephant in
The room. That's really it. There's
nothing more calculated than that.
And it's, and it's like, uh, I don't think,
I know we don't think about like, genre as like, well,
I can't talk about this or like this.
Yeah. Because it's not a specific, you
Famously love genres.
I
I honestly, I really hate them.
But this is a great example.
Like, to me, this album, this album
and, you know, something
by John Coltrane sit at the same place in my heart.
Wow. You know what I mean? Like impactful. Yeah.
I think Prince is entertaining one
of the most incredible artists at what he does.
I think all of the artists that we've listened to, uh,
in not just the last couple seasons
where we've been expanding, but
before that are like really meaningful to both of us.
And that's, yeah. That's what we're gonna continue to do
because it makes it really fun.
'cause we get to just talk about music
we love and that's what we wanna do. Exactly.
And I think that one thing that I've learned, um,
during these last, during this year,
and this this new format, is that stuff that is impactful
to, to both of us, or, or,
or one of us, um,
sometimes doesn't land if you didn't
come up with that music.
And that's okay. You know what I mean?
Like, we had a little bit with the Lauren Hill.
There was, there was some folks that we heard from
that was definitely like, ah, don't, don't get this album.
And I never really, never really will. And that's okay.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Some, some, some stuff.
I mean like, is a Love Supreme
by John Coltrane have to be for everybody.
For everybody. Even like, uh, the Mount Rushmore
of Greatest Jazz or any albums probably ever made.
No, it doesn't have to be for everybody.
You like what you like, you know what I mean? Yeah.
Uh, the greatest Bordeaux wine, everybody says it's great,
but if you don't like it, you don't like it.
And so that's okay.
Yeah. The only criteria is that is good. Yeah. It is good.
Wait, you're kind of
contradicting what I'm saying, but you know what I'm saying.
I do know what you're saying. No.
Um, speaking of good though. Yeah. Great. This is great.
Yeah. What we're dealing with is great. I'm so interesting.
Freaking excited for today. Dude. I
You brought your own iPad. You
said I brought excited my iPad. I
Brought my own iPad. I brought
my own mic. No.
Um, man, so I'm late to Prince, I'm late to the game.
I was a little too young. Yeah.
To appreciate Prince, like the,
Your mom and dad would if they, they,
if they heard the lyrics, they were,
and they suggested they were like a little young.
Adam didn't need to be pushed ahead into puberty with
That kind of stuff. My dad is an amazing
guy.
He's the sweetest man in the world,
but he's a little too puritanical to let his son.
Right. Especially when I was,
when all this music came out. I was a child.
Yeah. You were like three, four years old.
Right. And, uh, there for
You at that age. Nothing there
for me. 'cause you know, prince famously,
He makes people blush, the
Horniest start of stuff all the time.
Possibly. But That's what's so amazing about it,
is he has this incredible cocktail of, like, his
Horn sections were amazing. No.
Yeah. He's got this incredible cocktail of like,
this like, like sex, but like,
but also this like real genuine care
that he puts into the lyric.
I mean, it's really, and this album in particular has like
spiritual elements and all kinds of stuff to it. Was there
An awkward combination of religion and sex?
Yeah. And a lot of his music.
And a lot of great music. That's true.
But man, so like I said, you know,
the first Prince I remember was Bat
Dance from the Batman movie.
'cause that was such a huge movie in my life. Right.
And then I remember like Kiss, you know,
a little bit from the radio and,
and then seven, the song seven. Oh, all seven
We watch. Yeah. That was
me and my friends
used to sing that or whatever.
Yeah. In band class.
But like, I was never into Early Prince. Yeah.
And this what we're listening to Sign of The Times.
It's not Early Prince.
This is like him after he was already established.
But I just wanna go on a little journey. Good. Yeah.
'cause this is gonna get into when
I first here from the beginning, because
here's another thing I noticed.
So I had a blind spot. Right?
And, and I've since Fallen madly in love. Right?
Like, I, I, I love this music so much. I was
Lost. But now I'm
Found like, to me all like, you know, uh,
there's such a deep connection between Prince
and James Brown, Marvin Gaye
parliament, you know what I mean?
Like Angela, all these artists, DeAngelo afterwards.
Like there's all of these artists
that are connected to Michael Jackson.
And, uh, but I've noticed something. Mm.
There's a certain window of millennial Mm.
Mid millennial that doesn't understand Prince. Right.
And they tell me about it. They're like,
you know, I don't get it.
I've never gotten into it. Half of
This, half the staff, the staff,
the production staff here falls squarely in that camp.
I know. Except for shout out to producer Caleb,
who when everybody's talking about
how they don't get pri Prince Caleb gets a look
of both confusion, anger, and sadness on his face.
Not a real millennial. But
I, I want to first just take us on a journey from the
beginning Prince's career to sign of the Times.
But then also, we're not gonna rush through this
because I wanna make you, if you're not a Prince fan,
we're gonna we're gonna do some work on that right now.
That's right. And we're gonna start in 1978.
He made this album when he was,
he recorded this album when he was 19 years old.
Came out right when he turned 20. Yep.
And, uh, it's called for you 1978.
And this is soft and wet. I already starting kind of dirty.
Ah, well he'd learned to groove
that part was instilled in him.
I mean, that's all James Brown right there. Yeah.
Can you put in a horn section and acoustic instruments.
Right. A little bit
of P funk, a little bit of Bernie Warrell
with some those sin sounds, you know, lot of Bernie,
I'm gonna try, I'm gonna crank the
music today, buddy. I hope you don't
Mind. Please. We, I gotta
feel this is for you. Yeah. For you.
I always forget about very wore Ls.
19 years old man. Yeah,
Man. This is a strong
freshman output to
The bridge.
Little Disco beat going on
78.
Oh man. But man, it's like, it's got that disco bridge,
but it's not dated or corny at Oh man.
Ov his bridge. Did you hear that? He's back.
Did you hear that? Just hold on back.
I'm backing it up. Listen to this.
Is that Ober? Oberheim?
Ah, Man. What else is sounding
like this in the late seventies? Very little.
Was he playing everything on there already?
I don't know if he was on this one.
Someone in the comments. Here's the thing about Prince.
A lot of Prince heads. A lot
of people know everything about Prince.
Let us know. Is Prince playing
all the instruments on the full
Dis disclosure, we're gonna screw up
a lot of things. Please don't,
Don't Princess. Oh yeah. Like I said,
we weren't born with this.
We've learned from it.
I always forget that this was his first record.
'cause I always think about probably
what you're gonna play next.
I'm not trying to push you there. Okay.
Is I always think of that as his first record.
I mean, I'm just picturing it and I'm excited that we're
About to go there. I know I picture that I've,
I've, I, because
This was a great record, but this is not
A big record for you. None of,
actually, none of the first four albums
that we're about to play were big records.
They all made a little bit of, the next
One was pretty big. Maybe
a little later. Like
after even up to like Purple Rain people going back to
Rediscover. Hold on. Let's,
let's
Not Rush through it. Peter, I don't
wanna rush through any of this, bro.
I don't wanna rush through any of this.
Okay. So that was for
You. If you're listening and not
watching,
he just a adjusted his beanie stop. He adjusted his beanie.
So that was for you, 1978. Yeah.
That peaked at number 163 on the billboard. Yeah.
I mean, that's Hot 100. Right.
And one thing I want you to notice that up
until Purple Rain, he makes an album a year.
Every year. Yeah. And so
that's 1978. He was working. He wasn't
Good s**t, man. Come on. He's
Working, man. 1979.
1979. Self-titled Prince. Oh,
What? Come on.
This was 70, 79.
We got off the wall. Same here. I ain't got no
Money.
Ah, woo. He found it here. He found it here.
Ah. But
I could live here for three hours.
I could honestly live here for three hours. Yeah.
Off the wall. 79. That's good year.
That's all
I wanna be 11. This this big
hit though. What? This went to number 11.
Yeah. This was his first real,
like splash into some things. But I
Think r and b, this was probably one and this was high.
All That false stuff, man.
The string pads high.
But
There's so many details happening here.
There's so much nuance happening here
for such a young artist. Yeah.
Number one on Art US R Beat.
Amazing. Yeah. For such a young artist.
I mean, I can only think of MJ
and Stevie as like the equivalent of this.
Right. And especially, he is playing, I don't know
if he's playing everything on everything,
but he is playing drums on a lot of stuff.
He's playing obviously
guitar and a lot of stuff he's playing.
He's an amazing, uh, keyboard. Keyboard player.
He's playing all that stuff. Production.
And obviously like vocals, background vocals. Vocals.
He's an all timer as we're gonna hear
this whole episode. But
It's interesting because like you're saying, so
Ah, Man, that's gotta be, we
Makes you want to dip.
Okay. So, but you're
mentioning Stevie and Michael Jackson.
So he's younger. Is he younger than Michael?
Yeah, he's younger than Michael. A little.
But the other thing is like, he's much younger than like,
even either one of them at this age.
Michael Jackson, Stevie wanted to think about
how many more records they'd made. Like 15
Probably by the time. Yeah,
By the time they're 19. But he's,
this is what I'm saying though.
Peter, uh, prince is about to go on a run here. Yeah.
Where he's getting in the reps. But
This is still, that's a sophomore. That's
his sophomore. Sophomore.
And I always thought for years, I thought
that was his first record.
Yeah. I, I always just, 'cause
that was the first one I was aware of.
It's self-titled too. Yeah. So that's 78, 79. Oh,
That's go to m Here's 80.
Ah, come on. He turned the page on the decade too.
You hear that? Yeah. 1980s. I got you.
This is from Dirty Mind.
This is one of the dirtiest albums. Yeah.
It's just like, oh,
we're gonna sex up albums of all time, time at time.
This is called Head.
Yeah. I mean, you know,
listen to that.
Ah, Man is James Brown
or Parliament at this point, A bigger influence on him.
You can hear both.
So, and
Then, but also Commodore Earth went and fire
Marvin Gaye, Marvin local stuff, you know.
Oh yeah, of course. Jimmy Hendrix.
Everything's on the one then. Everything's on the,
Huh.
So
Crazy. It's crazy.
We'll listen to that on this podcast.
Honestly, it makes me so happy. Yeah.
Uh, okay, so that's, so now we've done 78, 79, 80.
Here's 81.
Oh, come on. Now. This is where I became Uber aware.
My sister, sister. This is unbelievable.
My sister blast this from the bedroom next door
Singing into a hairbrush kind of style.
Yeah. Oh, come on. This is controversy from the album.
Controversy.
This was a breakthrough here.
Like What a sound he's developed in these four years.
You know what I mean? You have the
Wiggle. Oh, man. Come
on, wiggle.
What a sound.
And you can, can hear. Actually
Everybody was thinking this. You can
Hear Michael Jackson pull from this later.
Yeah. Honestly, on some thriller
Stuff. That was 10 years old
then.
But I, I, I remember this like,
it was 11.
I was 11.
Ah, come on now. My Sister was 14.
Oh, it's right in your wheelhouse. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like I said, man, I missed all this. Yeah.
I've just discovered it like, as a grownup.
We're not going anywhere, by the way.
Don't try to go anywhere.
You gotta live in this for a minute. Oh
Man. I, dude, I'm here
for, I'm here for the
till the light Bill runs out.
Country Fish. Cy
Man, this is such, he'd already developed like his,
like releases and his bridges, the way he would do that.
It became a hallmark of like,
how he would song write, like with the, with the harmony.
Like, 'cause he is just like grooving. Yeah.
You know, JB style and release, like take
and then like take it to the bridge chord.
Yeah, for sure. But he wouldn't be necessarily
going into like Dominic Chords.
It'd be real like major optimist. Like here,
all
The guitar playing.
Sloppy, sloppy, nasty, dirty snare.
Ah, come on. Details. Details. Damn.
We're still on the one. Oh, scratch chicken, chicken grease.
Come on.
But we're starting to get a little more,
a little stink of patient in there.
Right. That guitar that's giving it rhythm guitar.
Man. This is a lot of just sitting on a,
what else do you need, man, for a big hit.
What else do we need? Yeah,
but this stuff doesn't usually this was big.
So this album was, uh, made it all the way up to
21 on the billboard.
203 on the r and b albums Controversy. Made it to 70 Man.
I was Baby six. I mean, that's so big, man. Let's Work.
Made It to Nine from this album.
So he is having hit singles.
He's having hit albums.
Then
We knew Like he has a, he has a pretty big hit here.
Oh, you ever heard of it? Next year? The next year?
No,
This is when The Devil Was, was in in Style.
A lot of demonic movies. Everybody like Halloween. Yeah.
Freddie Krueger was little oily for Fisher
Roll playing game panics. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah.
Oui boards.
Listen To that. Yeah. Maybe a early Lynn Lynn.
But yeah. And some real symbols though, right?
Yeah. That's a link.
Oh my God. Come on, man. That's thick. That's swampy.
Look swampy, right? Listen, hold
On, hold on. Back it up. Listen
To this. They got swamped up in
Minnesota.
I know. That's all, that's
All program, right? They got on lakes.
I mean, you might have
to cleanse yourself in the,
The lakes of the, the, the cleansing waters.
The waters of Lake Lake.
This is 1999 from
The album 1999, which is from 1982.
Right.
The purple has made its way into the equation here. This is
Crazy though. None of these were
number one hits
Yet. No, I know. That's
what I saying. It took them a minute.
Well, shout out Nancy Bar.
They were number one hits on the, on my wing of our house.
Is this drag good taste? No, that was years.
It felt like it was, I
remember, man, this was such a, oh my God.
1999 Y 2K. It's never gonna happen. It turned
Out even well in 82. No
one's talking Y 2K. No one's thinking about that.
There's no computers. Well, like in the nineties,
we all started talking about it,
but like, even a, I remember,
But you, you're still scared of it. Look,
you're still a little, like,
a little freaky. It could come back.
I mean, I'm not convinced that the world didn't end.
And everything since then has been a kind of a after.
You know what I mean? Right, right.
And we'll talk about that.
That's a different podcast. Well,
If we go to the deluxe version of sign times, go
to like CD number 18, there might be some backwards.
That's true. Scrolls talking
About that. Okay. So just,
just to recap here where we're at. Yeah.
So 78, he's 19. He releases for you.
79 the next year, prince.
I'm nine 80 the next year. Dirty Mind. I'm
10. I'm
10 81. The next year.
Controversy 82 the next year. 99. Yeah.
He takes a year off to make a movie. Ever heard of it?
And becomes one of the biggest, his first movie.
One of the biggest stars in the world
with a soundtrack. This
Was big. This was big.
This is also incredible.
Now we're going to the shores of Lake Minnetonka.
Right? We really are. Yeah. Shout out Minnesota.
Shout out Minneapolis. I'm jealous
of Minneapolis. That they have
First Avenue. I played a
Gig there. Hey, that's
Now, that's Lin Drum.
I never,
Is This a power ballad?
Yeah. Is it folk? Is it Blues?
RBRB Pop.
It's Prince. Yeah. But it's kind of power ballad.
Take it to the four.
I love that change there. Going to the six and the five.
It's gospel too, Right? It's gospel.
Go to the dominant.
That's a weird way to do it. So, great.
That's a weird, I mean, it's a typical to one,
but the timing of is genius.
Have you ever played this song with anybody? Well, at
A Lenny Clear gig, I think I did back in the late,
actually not that long after this. I think
R Linda Klinger, shadow link, cl uh, wedding band.
King of St. Louis, Missouri. Yeah. Yeah.
I definitely played it on those too.
But I played it in other circumstances, like as a cover
with some, with Anita Jackson here on a show
with our dear uh, friend,
Montes Coleman, who we lost a couple years ago.
And the audience, whenever I've played this
song, flips Yeah.
Out everybody's singing. Cigarette
Lighter, cigarette Lighter, non-smokers.
I mean, it's just amazing. Yeah. And then, then,
then famously, you know, prince,
before he passed away, played the Super Bowl a few years
before and started playing this song.
It's literally started raining.
He, it's one of the great, it is the greatest Super Bowl
halftime show of all time.
Yeah. And, uh, I mean, what a performer. What a performer.
What a what a album. Purple. We're an artist.
We're not even there to sign the Times date.
We still have two more. So this is, we're
Not, we're not at Peak.
Well Sign Times Peak. We're gonna talk
About that's he's peaking with his, like his celebrity
and the hits and all that stuff. You know, this
Was big, big, big, big, big crossover.
This is got, yeah. Number one Billboard. Yeah.
Purple Rain was his first number one billboard. Hot 200.
Uh, stayed at the top of the charts
for 20, 24 consecutive weeks,
which is half a year, which is insane.
And was on the charts for 167 weeks. That's right. Folks.
Over three years on the billboard. I mean,
It wasn't Thriller, but it was close.
Like, close. Like if it, like, thriller is just such a,
I mean, in terms of like sales and just like being
omnipresent, crossing over to Yeah.
To pretty much all different types of folks in the us.
This was huge in uk all, all around the world.
But I mean, it wasn't, had it not been for Thriller,
this would've been seen as like, just such a mass.
It's still was seen. I mean, it, it captured the, the kind
of cultural zeitgeist in a way that was pretty stunning.
I was, what are we at 13? Yeah. 13, 14 years
Old. 1985.
He follows it up with Prince and The Revolution.
The first album that's billed is Prince and The Revolution.
This is around the world in the day.
You might know this song from it. Listen to the production.
The production is changed. It's a lot of drippy, wet digital
sounds happening, which becomes kind
of his signature of this era.
Yeah. Yeah. This is Raspberry Beret,
Mr. McGee.
He,
Man, this record was great.
Um, and oh, it was number one too. Okay. So there you go.
I was gonna say, I, I like this
felt like a little bit of a falloff after.
Well, I mean, Purple Rain was so huge. Yeah.
This was, yeah, this was Big too.
It's, I mean, bad felt like a fall
off from Thriller, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Like, yeah. Uh, but this one of my favorites.
Parade again with the revolution.
Go back to what works. Yeah.
Let's go back dry. That's right. Right.
Is it a wet dry Wet dry?
You don't have to be. Oh man.
One of the greatest vocal performances. Chris Blackwell is
one of the greatest vocal performances
Of all time.
Yeah. I mean, he's like
Obviously A master of the falsetto,
but like the control pronunciation, the phrase
Again, I think the LinnDrum here in full effect, right?
Yeah.
Man. The close mic.
I mean, his relationship with the, his,
my Technique very good.
Famously recorded 24 hours a day.
So you expect it to be good for days on end.
And then he's making waffles, pancakes.
I mean, he says, you don't have to be cool
to rule my world, but I'm guaranteeing every girl that was
with him was probably pretty cool. I'm just saying out.
Right. Right. We might listen to this whole thing.
'cause the vocals at the end go,
Have we got to the Parade album?
We're,
You know what's It's just about this.
It's the blues, by the Way. Yeah, it is a blues.
There's almost no base. You notice that?
Yeah. There's not, there's
A little bit of like, hint at it, I think.
Which is weird. Like, how would that work?
Five, four.
This is
Man,
Some JB right here.
I wish I could do that. I wish I had so hard.
I could do that. You can't, I can't get even close to the
What?
Woo w
man.
He's de deru deconstructing that blues form. So, so cool.
Man.
Age, not your Great
Insult at your age, not your shoe size.
You don't Got that kind
of like, like marimba sound. You hear that?
Yeah.
Then he's Staying on the one at weird Places, then goes
This run here at the end.
Oh. Oh, wait, Wait, wait. Back up just a second.
Now listen to his voice. You don't have
to, you don't have to be rich.
Listen to the young,
It's crazy. Yeah.
Kiss. Greatest, greatest ending.
Oh. And just going out. Just the
Greatest Fade out. All of
The kisses were like Kiss.
And then the last one, kiss. Kiss.
So Ask your boy,
Talk to your boy. To
your boy.
Oh man. Episode over, No episode.
Just starting, because that's,
We're just up to 85. That's
86. And now, well, that was 86, 87.
And Prince is gonna release
what would become an album I had actually never heard of
until a few years ago.
Mm. Because like I said, I wasn't a Prince head growing up.
I've come to it later in life.
Of course, I heard Purple Rain. Of course I heard Kiss.
Of course I heard 1999. Yeah.
I played all those, you know, learning music growing up
or whatever, and in different bands.
And you thought scenario,
He just, the career ended then and
he went to the old folks home. No,
But uh, but discovering this album has been a real joy.
So, side of the Times, you know,
the Revolution is about to break up here.
Yeah. Between 86 and 87.
And, and he's gonna make, he's gonna try
to make like three different albums.
Yeah. So Side of the Times comprises tracks
that are recorded for three different projects
that were later abandoned.
Yep. One called Dream Factory, one called Camille,
which we're gonna get into, 'cause Camille's all over this
album, uh, which was named Camille is the
name of his alter Ego.
Uh, a gender Fluid Alter Ego,
and then a triple album called Crystal Ball. And he,
Which warn of the Brothers, which he finished, I believe.
That's insane. And Warner Brothers was just like, no,
no triple albums buddy.
So many of the songs on on Side of The Times shout
Out Warner Brothers. Yeah, no,
W wa many of the songs on Side of the Times were recorded
for Camille in 1986.
Yeah. And yeah, it's, uh, there's, we'll talk about Camille,
but, um, so he disbanded the, but this whole
Thing, The name re Princes
and, excuse me, and Androgynous Alter Ego.
Did Prince never actually said that though, did he?
I don't, I mean, it was so vague at the time.
It was very vague. I think some of this
is a little bit revisionist.
His, he's a master storyteller with his persona. Yeah. His
Persona is actor. Or maybe
not, who knows. But it was never like, hello,
this is Camille, my alter ego.
It was just, we just sort of accepted it
that it was like, oh, that's his thing.
So this was a big hit,
but it wasn't as huge of a hit as Purple Rain.
It reached number six on the US Billboard
200, number four on the r and b.
It sold 5.25 million copies,
which right now it sounds like an
unbelievable amount of albums sold.
Oh, 5.2 million streams. That's not
Bad. But compared to
other albums that he made it, it wasn't,
I mean, it says still really big.
Um, but this is
Considered, and it's a Double album.
It's a double album show.
And it became a triple album, and then
it became a Sixtuplet.
That's right, That's right. Deluxe, deluxe version. Um,
But this was like, this is one
of the most revered albums critically of the 1980s.
It was really well received critically when it came out.
Like a Critic Starling album
of the year was nominated for Grammy for Album of the Year.
Yeah. And 'cause considered by a lot of people to be one
of his best albums, if not his best album.
Yeah. And I'd be interested, again, having come
to Prince later in life and really just absorbing it over
the last, you know, 10 years or so.
I would love to hear people's thoughts. Print.
I know we got loads of Prince heads in our comments,
so let us know, like,
what is the Prince Head favorite album?
And, and I mean, I'm sure
everybody has difference, but like, yeah. And there,
And there's no right answer to this,
but it is interesting to hear.
But there is a right answer for Herbie Hancock.
There is a right answer for No, no,
But I'm just kidding. Well, no,
maybe it's good.
No, but isn't it a little bit like, okay,
so we always referencing kind of Blue Miles Davis, right?
So you could be like, is that his Mount Olympus?
Is that his greatest work?
And then, but does that imply that it's downhill afterwards?
He did some great work after that.
And I feel like this is that kind of like, oh yeah.
100%. No, I, like I said, was after this and, and
When he got Yeah. I mean, a
new power generation, like,
he really was like a new
Power generation. Yeah,
man. That was a good band, bro. Of course.
And I mean, I think that like Prince
stayed relevant up until the end.
He just, he, he made so much music
and it was more like, I love this.
Thank you for this lead up this year by year.
Isn't that fun? It's so fun.
And it's also like, you know, he had the constraints
of like the record label, which obviously he, he, he
Got, he just pieced out of, at one point
He pieced out it. Yeah. He got all that. He
just became a different person.
He's like, I'm, he's like, I can't get
outta the right record contract.
Well, I'm gonna become, I'm
Not, you're not, can't even use my name anymore.
Forget about Camille. I'm gonna
Become a symbol.
Put that on a contract b***h. Literal
For those kids who don't know.
There was a time in the nineties where he went
by the artist, formerly known as Prince.
And it was he, and I mean,
technically he was just a
symbol that he had created. Well, I
Think those are two different, that was two different
levels that he went, wasn't it?
It's insane. Yeah. So,
and he was like, you say great story to all this part of the
Lord.
And then the artist, for one, it was just the artist.
The artist. That's amazing. He was great.
And then he started his own record label,
of course, Paisley Parks.
And then, you know, created,
everybody was like, oh yeah, he had a home studio.
No, he had Paisley Parks studio,
which was like a huge, you know, enterprise,
It's high level ego death when you completely,
when you completely just like,
I'm just getting rid of all of it.
Right. Oh, I'm, I'm deleting the person. Yeah.
You've known and I'm, I'm doing my,
And remember he had that one.
I mean, so that, this is what I was saying, like up
until this point, it's like everything, there's sort
of an order to how you can track what he's doing.
I have the feeling, well, I know his output was huge then,
but like everything had to fit onto an album.
Yeah. Right. And then Sign of the Times.
It's like, this is his first like,
multiple situation, isn't it?
And there's even some, there's a live track,
which you were gonna talk about that's kind
of a holdover from a year before with the Revolution.
But like, this is the beginning of things starting
to be able, like for an artist that's so prolific,
like Prince, to be able to kind of come beyond the shackles,
just of like, make your album one a year.
That's a lot. They better be hits and stuff.
Which eventually let, remember when he made the one record
that was like, the name of the record was like,
1-800-GET-FUNK.
Yeah. And he was set, it was like the
first, it was like pre-internet.
And you could call it, you could,
Yeah. You, you call the
numbers how you ordered it.
This is so smart. Super smart.
I mean, he was a master marketer,
but I mean, the amount of music that he made all, you know,
this triple album that was rejected
by Warner Brothers signing The Times,
which ended up coming out, which was a double album,
but all at the same time during 86
and 87, he was working on this mat.
Oh, what was it called? Madhouse Man. Yeah, madhouse.
I was about to say madman. That was with the fo
Jazz band. Yeah, yeah,
Yeah, yeah. With Eric. With,
um, Eric Leeds. Eric Leeds. Yeah.
Eric Leeds. And, um, it was like a fusion band. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. And a bunch of, actually we have, well,
we can play it late 'cause we haven't played in the actual,
I I have one of the tracks on there.
We can play an example of that, that got
that ended up on one of those.
Yeah.
And this has nothing to do with sinus times really.
No. But it's on Side of the Times Deluxe deluxe version.
I know the deluxe del, the Dope Deluxe one hundreds times.
I mean, using with some stuff. Man,
This is weird. Yeah, it's great.
It even has shades of, like, some of the stuff had shades
of like Chicka electric band stuff.
One stuff got a match style. Yeah.
Whoa. Uh,
okay, let, well, let's get to sign of the time.
So the title track kicks off the album. Album.
Prince is the soul credited artist on this song.
Lelo goes that he created the song using the factory
settings on the Fairlight,
which is hilarious but true. That's
Great.
That's a, that's Lin drum bass drum, isn't it?
I love that bass drum sound, man.
Man. The space line. Come
On. So a lot of this was
recorded at his home. Yeah.
In Lake Minnetonka. No, seriously. In Minnesota. Yeah.
At Mason Park. Yeah.
And, uh, some in la
but like, for all these different projects.
But he did a lot of this just himself. Big
Disease, Uh, engineered
by Susan Rogers and Koch Johnson.
This is pre Paisley Park Studios, right?
Oh, it might have been pre Paisley Park. I don't know.
No, you're right. Lake Minnetonka home
Called.
But this is kind of like his Woo, that bass,
The lyrics on this album too.
Get a little political, get a little spiritual
Time. Might be the
Fair Life. Yeah.
It is just kind of like what's going on, right?
Yeah. He just kind of like Cracked out. It's the
S one inside
Again, the storytelling out of this world.
He's man, on another level,
The production detail was he perfectionist,
Unbelievable artist.
Explode
baby.
Make a,
He's playing with that major
and minor, both with the chords.
And like, when we talk about that, it's like,
my thing went off so minor, but a major.
Right. He's going back and forth
and the baseline sets that up.
But because he's sliding between the minor
and the major, it's okay.
We're not a jazz podcast anymore. It's all good.
But now he's off of it. But when he comes back to it, like
that's like little connection points
That Contributes to this.
Like underlying blue
and Sharp Nine too.
And man, I think all the guitar coming in
and going like, there's no constant rhythm guitar,
but it's coming in and like, giving it that syn of patience.
So, so the,
the drums don't become too the drum patterns killer.
I mean, that keeps it from being too automated.
It's going back to, it's on the
Grid, right? It's going back to controversy,
right? Yeah.
The one from the 81 when he was, he was younger.
He's got so much patience Yeah. In these grooves.
He's not afraid to let you sit in it for a long time. Wow.
We at One point, James Brown
parliament, James Brown, like, yeah.
James Brown and Parliament. Like, let's sit in there.
It's not effective unless we sit in there. Right.
And just like vibe in, in the space for a minute.
And I mean, I, I might get slapped for saying this,
my apologies, but don't say
It. No,
No, no.
Compared to James Brown and Parliament.
Like he, he's kind of like lyrically
and storytelling wise, he's kind
of got another level to add to it.
Well, you know, I mean, James,
He's got his own thing. He's got,
He's his own. He's, but you know
what I'm saying? Like, there's,
there's a, I don't even wanna say sophisticated
'cause James Brown, master storyteller,
but like James Brown is in the groove.
Right? Bro. All three of those artists. Okay.
High level at what they're doing.
Just put a lampshade on my head, man. I
Mean, I just, I don't wanna like, qualify who's
better? James Brown Parley.
No, I'm just saying. But he brings,
Damn, they all are so unique, you know what I mean? They
Are. But I'm saying one of the unique
elements of Prince is
that he brings, like we're talking about the precision
of the production, like the guitar coming in this under
underlying, like what he's doing with the drums.
I mean, but the storytelling is so, it's very, it's very,
um, Stevie Wonder ask.
It's very mar gay, you know
Marvin Gaye? For sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, that's sign of the Times.
That's the the start we got after that.
We got playing the Sun Shine. That's
Such a great way to start The record too.
I know. A little bit of play in the sunshine.
Playing in the sunshine. Yeah.
He's the only, uh, soul
credited artist on this song as well.
The exception of the background vocals by his girlfriend.
Susanna. Mel. Oh,
That's, uh, one of Wendy or Lisa's sister.
Twin sister. Lisa's I guess. Or Wendy.
Remember I talk some Wendy and Lisa Law.
Little, little dick. Seven on that maybe.
Yeah. A lot of Dick, Uh, after that is housewife shut
Up already. Damn.
This is Camille. So this is his androgynous alter ego
House quake, Higher pitched voice.
Then he recorded sped up the tape.
Sounds like a sassy dude, because it
Say Yeah.
Yeah. If you know how,
But how did he speed it up
without changing the temple at that time?
Shut up already. Damn Hu.
Everybody jump up and down. Hu
This has so much to me, parliament.
Oh, with the, the base.
Camille vocals, the bass, the synth sounds.
And now we're getting that fan back
Beat.
Now You doing
Ah, so Question.
Does anybody know about the quake?
His counterpoint? You can't get off until you
Shake Hair.
Come on,
Let's Jam y'all
Jam.
Don't wait for your neighbor.
Kendrick Lamar. Um, little influence here. Huh?
There's going In,
Man. This Is a, I mean,
it's psychedelic.
This is a thick, complicated,
sophisticated ass grooving album, man.
It's psychedelic. Well, this what's
so special about this album is then followed up with
The Ballad of Dorothy Parker.
Oh. One of, one of the great tracks on this album,
Man.
The engineering. Shout out.
I just like Susan Rogers
and Coke Johnson. Coke Johnson.
Boy. I'll say, I'll say nickname or
Give name. I don't
know. Love soda or love White Powder. We don't know.
Well, I'm just kidding. That's
That Warbly synth sound is amazing.
What else sounds like this? You know what I mean?
I remember when I heard that, I was like, what
the hell's the pro?
I wanna go on a promenade.
I believe that's Prince playing drums. Programming.
I think so. Fighting.
And I think he's playing bass guitar on this dude.
Apparently he's the only, he is the
so artist credited on the song with the exception
of his girlfriend Susanna, I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah. Lemme get a fruit cocktail. Lemme
Get a f*****g cocktail. Get a fruit
Cocktail. Read
what you made into that. It's like a, it's like
Watching a Tarantino movie.
There's so many quotes from all
of his albums, you know, like
Asking boys.
Yeah. Man,
This has such that the reason I keep talking about
the production is so great.
That's such a corny thing to say in a way. And meaningless.
But what I mean is like, and
there's so many, it's just so thick.
There's so many cool things happening
that if you don't have the production nailed down,
it could be just like a sloppy mess
of just too much s**t happening.
Remember you were talking about your rule of thirds. You
Know, It's,
I don't wanna miss this part. Hold on,
I'm sorry.
There's some lyrical stuff happening here.
I'm sorry, what? What are you saying,
Peter? What are you saying?
Okay, first of all, I'm talking
with the music 'cause I've gotten a license.
Our, our dear listeners told me to do
That. They gave you permission. They really did.
Hey, it's back on. Hey, we never know what's happening.
No, but the thing is, is like they, this is like Prince
was notorious for spending hours, hours, hours, hours.
Just like you're pressing that those buttons for hours,
for hours, nothing's happening.
But the idea of like, like you can over-engineer.
I don't mean the engineering sound.
I mean, you can just, he's just like artistic
savvy and material is oozing out of him.
You can tell he plays every instrument.
He's a talented dude. You talking about
living a musical life?
He's like, yeah. I mean, he's like stuck in
like, he doesn't wanna leave the studio.
He invites people over and you're just like playing.
So, like, he's doing so much. He's got a crazy work ethic.
I mean, a precision. He's got
A basketball court, you and your friends
Versus Me and the revolution,
Right?
So it's like, there is the danger of,
and then he is got his own playground,
the studio available him at, at all times.
There we go. Hey, hey.
Um, but it's, it's such a, there's such an opportunity
for it to be just too much in there.
And so he fits a lot in there in terms
of like the guitar coming in the baseline, like the lin,
the Dr, I mean, just, there's so much going on,
but yet it's all works.
Like he, he put, it's like you say like a Tarantine movie
or it's like, oh look over here, look here.
But you're not, you don't have whiplash.
The whole thing just like, sort of makes sense. Agreed.
That's production. Agreed.
Yeah. I just want to get this great lyric. Uh,
Joan, She puts Joni Mitchell's help me
couches it in there from Court Spark,
which should be on a list. Yeah.
Put on the list. I tried those. Next season. Next. Talk
To your boy. Talk to your boy.
Let's go. All right.
That's the ballot of Dorothy Parker. Next up is,
That's a deep One. There
is it, which is good. Just another funky banger.
But I wanna get to, we've got a double album here.
So how many hits were there on
this? I'm trying to remember.
Uh, so that's a great question. Not
That was not one of them.
Obviously not that many. Honestly. Like there was,
You got the looks. Gotta be one
Of 'em. You got the look was a, that
was
big. Was a big hit for sure.
Sign of the Times. Sign of the Times was a big hit.
And then I think it was, um,
Oh, if I was your girlfriend, That
wasn't big. If I your girlfriend
we're Get to Starfish and Coffee.
Super unique song. Super fun.
It was 7 45 All In Line
teacher Ms. Kathleen Best was Kevin.
Then Third in Line was me.
All of us were ordinary to,
You know, this is, this album is for Outsiders.
Like this is a anthem album
for outsiders, for people who feel freak.
Weird, geek and freaky. Yeah.
Except for Freaks and Geeks for sure. Definitely.
For people feeling freaky. Well,
the King of Freaky here.
I mean the master of it. But
It was like, be be do your thing. Be you,
You be you. You
Know, before there was a lot of explaining about that,
you know, it was just like, yeah,
Prince Was, man,
I mean, I remember the first time song. It's a
Revolution. He's a re right.
I was like, damn. Who, what is that?
Like, what is like he's letting his freak flag
Fly. I mean, way ahead, ahead of
this time in a lot of ways.
Musically in other ways. Yeah. Uh, so no. Yeah.
I know we have a lot of it fans.
We got a lot of Starfish and Coffee fans.
But I want, I do want Get to Slow Love.
I love this song so much.
This has some DeAngelo. Oh, for sure.
Just going up the third there. You know what I mean?
Yeah. We're
Going to third, we're going to the third.
Isn't that good? Yeah.
I told you this was a great album.
So this has Eric Leeds on the saxophone.
John, I, Eric leads, I got a chance to meet him
and have a coffee with them once,
which has followed Christian McBride,
Wendy and Lisa on the bbs.
Wendy on Wendy Mel. Boy on that
Show. This is weird. 'cause they had like a
falling out.
They had so many falling outs.
Wendy and Lisa with Prince, but then
They're their back.
Atlanta Bliss on the trumpet Yes.
Name. Because he was living in Atlanta at the time.
Now the orchestration on this
Oh, jazzy is part of the album so
Far. I I just
discovered this in doing research for this episode.
Yeah. The orchestration on this song
and a lot, a lot of what Prince did, uh, with any kind
of strings or any kind of horns Yeah.
Was done by the great Claire Fisher.
Such a cr, such a fisher
Fact who wrote like some Latin jazz standards.
Like mourning and like this song Sativa.
This is by Benny Green,
By Claire Fisher. Well,
the song is by Claire Fisher.
This recording's by Benny Green Christian. McBride McBride.
Carl Allen. Shout Carl Allen.
Woo. This is from the place to be such
A great, um, composer.
What a song. Claire Fisher.
I was like, wait, Claire Fisher. Yeah. Worked.
I mean, he worked a ton with Prince. Yeah.
And it's really eye opening.
It's really cool. Actually. I think Claire
Fisher did some arranging,
I wanna say for Michael Jackson. He did
Some arranging for Michael Jackson
as well. Yeah, yeah. I was,
Yeah. Great.
Arrange the more you learn. Yeah.
Um, and then we have two more, two more tracks on the what,
I guess the end of side two disc one.
I don't even know how to describe it. Which
Version are we looking at? Oh,
The two 20. The 2020.
This is Hot thing. This is incredible. Yeah.
The end of the, of the, the b side of the first lp.
Ah,
I mean, we're heavy into the FM synthesis era here.
Big fun. I wanna know,
how did this only hit number six on
the, I wanna know, one through five.
Yeah. On the US Billboard 200 at this time,
I wanna know every one through five that,
that beat this album out. That would be interesting.
And not, not to No shade, I'm just saying
No shade. So next after
that, the last song on the disc,
one me version is Forever in My Life.
Also. Beautiful.
Beautiful.
Such a unique sounding album.
Yeah. The diversity on this album
is kind of crazy saying
Man's life.
He tired. Fool around.
Circus down.
Well, you're 29 now, Brandon.
And then kicking off, uh, side three
disc two.
Yeah. Uh, is this masterpiece?
Mm.
Boy, Shout out Sheila
E. Yes.
On the percussion and Sheena
Easton. We're gonna be here
some more for Sheila. She walked in.
I woke Up.
I've Never seen.
Ooh, Baby. Ah,
You got that good.
Ah, call black calling.
Seen she and Easton
Slamming Your body's heck of slamming.
Let's get, This is a good video.
You got Kind of an awkward end. Hello?
Do you have it? Or you can leave the killer video.
I was, I was all about this video.
Princeton. Like, like he had Sheena
Easton when he had Van.
Like when he featured these different women.
Like they all ended up like looking and, and thinking
and acting like him.
Like everybody, Wendy
and Lisa, Eric Lee, the keyboard players.
All the keyboard players. Dr. Fink.
Yeah. Isn't that amazing? But it did, she he was like,
she kind of was like, anyway, I digress.
I wanna go to an interview here from
19. These were a crazy time, my friend.
Oh yeah.
They were. This is from 1989.
What do you know about the Arsenio Hall Show?
Well, I was, I What do you
know about the dog Pound Shout out?
Uh, what do you know about Mike Wolf? Mike Wolf. Yeah.
You know about Mike Wolf? What Ly Carrington
Dog Pound Dog Pound.
Yeah. Uh, this is Miles Davis,
1989 on the Arsenio Hall Show. Talking about Prince. Yeah.
Yeah. So you like Prince too? Oh yeah. I love Prince.
Prince is a genius is they can do him.
And, and that word is used a lot, you know? Yeah.
But he, I look at Francis the same way I looked
at Charlie Chaplin.
Mm-hmm. It's just nothing. He couldn't be, you know,
He meant Charlie Parker. Right.
He's, you know, like, he's a product of James Brown
and Marvin Gaye.
Mm. A slide. Mm-hmm.
Oh, yep. Sure. There's nothing he can't do.
And, and he used to tell me, I said,
Preston must, he must feel good when you wake
up as another person.
So I wanted to play that
Clip. He like that, you know,
he can work.
He just, he's another person,
Camille. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Don't you?
So with that, that was actually,
that's a great Miles Davis moment.
He's sitting next to Sigourney Weaver on that couch.
Can we talk about Arsenio's interviewing skills?
That was actually one of his better ones, man.
And talk about things that maybe didn't age great, man.
He had some great guests though. Arsen Great.
Aio was a, that was a, he was a great presenter.
It was a vibe. I, we would stay up and watch Arsenio.
It was like a, he was a very agreeable interviewer.
I, I mean, a little sidetrack here. Yeah.
But you know, I, we would stay up when I was a, a little kid
and watch Johnny Carson with my parents.
Right. Yeah. And Johnny Carson
was an old man when I was a kid.
Yeah. And that proves it. I just read a thing.
It said, if you can remember Johnny Carson
being on the television.
Yeah. Then you're Gen X or older.
Well, sue me, I'm Gen X older.
I can remember Johnny Carson being on the television.
And I, but I remember he was an old man.
I thought he was, I thought it was funny.
And I, I, I could see why my parents liked him.
My dad loved Johnny Carson. Yeah.
But when Arsenio,
when the Arsenio Hall show started, it was a revolution.
And he was having artists we were listening to. Yeah.
And actors. We were into That's true.
And athletes and stuff. It was just like it was for us.
Like it was for our generation. You know what I mean?
It was just like, for young, a late
night show for young people.
I was even a little too young for like, David,
the Letterman was weird and everybody loved him, but,
and I love all those guys too.
But like, man, there was something about Arsenio Hall
that felt like, oh, like this is for young people.
Yeah, it was for youth. It was.
And it came and came and went fast.
I mean, it was like, it kind of did. I don't know.
It was like a meteor, you know?
It just, but he was just always, he was great.
He was hilarious. Yeah. He was, he was just always the,
like, just so much a, a ad adulation, adoration that he had
for the every guest, you know?
Yeah. Things that make you go. Yeah. What was it?
Things that make you go, Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Uh, shout on our, come on the show. Arsenio.
Leave that party. He had some good jazz folks on there.
I mean, miles Davis was Miles Davis sitting,
sitting on the couch with s Scorey Weaver.
Yeah. There you go. Um, okay.
So after that is a very good and very interesting song.
Yeah. Like Camille, uh, Prince's androgynous, alter Ego.
This is if I was your girlfriend. Oh yeah. This is great.
We're not gonna play all of it. Yeah. Look at a bar
You saw here, ladies.
Maybe we'll play all of it. I don't know.
Ooh, that baseline. But even
this is a little ahead of its time.
This to me feels like 91. Yeah. And I know it's 87. Yeah.
That's a big difference. Something about it feels
like, remember Wesley Snipes.
Like, it feels like, you know what I mean?
It feels like that era the way things looked and felt. Yeah.
Kind of incredible. He's always a one step ahead. Prince
Was your man.
Yeah. I was your best friend.
Would you let me take care of you
and do all the things that only best friend can,
only best friends.
It's so crazy. There's a lot going on in this song. Yeah.
And there's a lot of play with all kinds of things. Yeah.
I mean, just ama
and musically, just always in the pocket after that.
It's strange relationship. Now we're back in the eighties.
Fully.
I guess you know me Well,
I back winter
You're always, yeah.
What's the strange relationship? We, hold on.
I hate See you. Sad.
Killer, killer.
Strange relationship after that.
I could never pick the place of your man.
It's One of these kind of, yeah.
I don't remember this song at all on this record.
Me neither. Yeah. The Cross.
Oh yeah.
Black Day Storm.
No, no. Inside.
Don't cry.
He don't die.
Get to the,
to the right
We
of Salvation, of
Pregnant Mother ings.
She lives
in children.
Need all that she brings.
We all
Such a unique track.
Forgot about that one
Wonderful thing to do at the, at the album.
Uh, after that. Now. So the album ends.
The last two songs are amazing.
I, I think this is, wait,
we're getting to my favorite part. My friend. Yeah. Yeah.
This is Peter's favorite part. Should
We jump up to our, should we start some categories?
'cause these are gonna feature prominently. Yeah.
Let's, let's start some categories.
So what is your desert island track?
My desert island track is actually not,
is the very last track Adore, man.
I'm on the desert island. I'm not alone.
The artist's amazing is
With Me.
To me, this is classic, like throughout his,
Oh, It's just everything that Prince kills.
It's not as weirdest.
This is quiet storm ish, r
and b's jams, ams, horns killing
Voodoo vibes.
Very voodoo. Very voodoo
Man.
Mean, the first moment
I knew you were the
Man, you could listen to this every day.
It'd be like fine stuff
that you're comfort, it's comfortable.
It's like a nice little fleece plugging you, you know,
Like a, like a Patagonia cortisone. It's
A little bit, yeah.
Not quite as broadish as that,
but then it's got all the Prince like this.
That's some car up there.
Just sounds, and it's almost like you can't tell with like,
this could almost be princes from,
from almost the beginning to the end.
Like, for sure. Any time. It is. So I love it.
I love going out on, on. It's such a great closer track.
That's, that's my desert honor. What
You got? Um, I've
got the Ballad of Dorothy Parker. That's
Great. That was my, that
probably would've been my next
What's your Apex moment?
Okay. So the track
before this, it's gonna be a beautiful night.
I think this is, this could be a quibble bit as well.
Although I don't think, like there's, this is the only track
with the revolution on from a live concert in 86
in Paris at the, um, Zenith,
which is a really cool venue I've been at.
And the whole like, you know,
so Sheila e It's the whole gang.
The whole band. This is the only thing with like,
really demonstrably like drums,
acoustic drums the whole time.
There's probably some programs stuff thrown in there.
This is why I love it. Ah.
Oh. Hello
Ben. Have you seen those live
videos of Prince and the Revolution?
Yeah. The stage show. Yes.
You know, they rehearsed, they would
before they go out on tour, they
would rehearse for like a month.
Yeah. In a warehouse.
All rehearsal pancakes. That's it.
Rehearsal's, pancakes, rehearsal's, pancakes.
If do yourself a favor. Yeah.
And go watch some prince and, and the revolution live. Yeah.
It's unbelievable. We used to be a real society. Yeah.
With real artists. Yeah, I know. It's unbelievable.
Shout out Dr. Fink on the keys and co composer
Of this too. Dr. Funkenstein.
Dr. Fink. He was ahead of his time
with the mask and the scrubs.
Man, the horns on here.
So this is your apex
Moment. My apex moment. So
if you want to, I hate to say this
to jump ahead, but where is it?
Like around four 50 or so. But this is the thing.
This all the way from that point to the end.
Can We pop it? Can we jam it?
Chicken grease.
Shirley Ons.
Are you Ready? It's unbelievable. A little voodoo band.
Unbelievable. Maybe
This is my apex moment too.
Oh my God, man. It just gets better though.
Like to me, the apex is from here all the way to the end.
Sit back, strap in. Strap it.
I love
The OEO from Wizard of Oz. Yeah. It's amazing.
Hardly aware. Chilly rap
table in the chair point.
She literally phoning It in right now.
She's phoning it in. She's phoning it in.
Man. Her tie low on that.
Man. I saw Sheila E last year here at
the Sheldon. She still
Is Unbeliev. She's unbelievable.
Her band. Shout out Oakland. Yeah, man.
But she's on the telephone.
Couple days before this was released.
I believe they added this in because they were just jamming.
She'd leave you down on the phone,
but check out when the base starts.
Mark Brown. Wait, so they added that she, they
over the live track added
On the phone. Yeah. From like a year
later. Damn.
They recorded over Atlanta.
Um, Atlanta Bliss on the trumpet.
Dr. Fink.
Yeah. We got Bobby Z on the drums. Cila e on the conus.
Check out. Yeah.
So this is, this is very like gospel. Start walking. Right?
They got the whole band, the whole
audience singing background.
Nico Weaver, windy Melvoin on the guitar.
Brown mark on the bass keyboards. Lisa Coleman, Dr. Fink.
Eric leads on the saxophone.
Atlanta Bliss on the trumpet. Shout
Out Atlanta.
Jill Jones on the vocals. Woo. Ugh.
Yeah. Atlanta and Eric are locked in, man.
Yeah. So I mean, it's just the whole thing.
So it's, it's a weird, it's, it's a little bit,
um, what can I say?
My quibble bit too. No, we're not there yet. Yeah.
This is gonna come up as this is both my
apex moment and my quibble
Bit. I'm changing that to my
Apex moment as well.
What it, it was gonna be the help
me insert, but this is better.
Yeah. Uh, bespoke playlist title. What do you got? Um,
Get lost in the wonderful world of that dude.
Get lost in the wonderful world of
that dude. So we're on, this
Is gonna be All Prince. You're
On Apple Music or Spotify, wherever you listen to music.
Yeah. And you see a playlist
and it says, get lost in the wonderful world
of that dude. Yeah.
That the, the THHT or all capitalized that,
And it's this album. What else is on the album?
It's All Prince. Oh, well, there, no,
there's a couple other artists like the artist formerly
known as Prince, and then the, the artist and then,
Um, But this album, I feel like this is the first
Prince album of many that came after this.
Not necessarily consecutively,
but where you could get lost in it.
Right. I mean, this one's in particular
because of the different
versions now and how they're presented.
But I mean, really, like, there's such a world in there.
Like we're away from the, like, the story from the beginning
to the end because there's so much there.
There's like, even though this is live, there's a bunch
of like added vocals
and like overdubs the rap from Sheila E on that.
And then, you know, so there, there, there's just a,
it's a wonderful world that that's so, I mean, think about
that and um, uh, the cross right next to each other.
Oh, it's beautiful. Those two tracks.
That's like polar opposites that shouldn't work. Right.
And in a way that's a little bit like, A bit is like, is it?
Yeah. Does it work? But anyway, we'll get to that.
Uh, so my What's your Bespoke playlist?
My bespoke playlist, I'm glad you asked.
Is, is, is, uh, are
You working on the job here, man?
Are you, are you doing an opera?
Are you reading the, the doctor's manual
as you're doing an operation?
No, it's homework. No, I was just doing a little research.
Okay. It's home recorded hits. Home recorded hits.
So, so much of this was home recorded. Yeah.
Of just Prince in a room with an engineer. Except
What we just listened to. Except
For what we just listened to. But
10,000 so much of.
But there's a, there's a rich history of this, right? Yeah.
So there's like Stevie Yeah.
Doing this with, from music of my mind. Yeah.
Through that great run. Doing a lot of everything. Yeah.
Right. Um, McCartney too.
Paul McCartney's second solo album.
Michael Jackson. I mean, they're, they're kind of demos.
All those own demos, but they're close there. Right. Even
People like Bon Over from Modern Times who like would go
to a cabin and just record this, you know,
For Emma, Forever Ago, Ludwig
van Beethoven, Ludwig van. We don't know that.
He didn't, we can't find him.
You can't prove that he didn't. The lost tapes. Lost tape.
Tape, tape. So, quibble Bits. What are quibble bits?
My quibble bits is that this thing is all over the place.
But that's, that's, that's a feature. It's
The charm of it. And it's also like
Yeah. But more so than any
of the albums before it. I feel like.
True. But I'm also like, that's
what makes it so great and unique.
So it's not a real quibble bit.
Also maybe like the program drums as I always am, like,
but this is some of the most sophisticated, soulful,
badass use of a Lin drum and the other stuff.
So, I mean, it's, it's fantastic.
But I'm always like, it's always a little bit of a release.
And that's why it's an apex moment when we get to the live.
I know. You, You know, the, the one live, uh,
track except that deluxe
version, which has a bunch of live stuff.
The My Quil bit is similar.
It's like, it's part of what makes the record
unique and what, and good.
And I don't know if my suggestion
to change it would make it better.
But when I hear this
and then I hear this,
I think I'd rather hear this.
Right. But they're both Prince, I mean,
they're both like mistakenly
No, not musically or whatever. Songwriting.
Like the songwriting here is amazing.
But the, the, the,
the production go down quality wise a little bit.
I know. You know what I mean? Like, it feels I am such a,
you know, I'm a sucker for the seventies.
Yeah. You, I'm sucker you
Organic kind of sound Like it was recorded in space.
Yeah, yeah. You know, vacuum of space. Yeah.
And so all of this wet digital stuff Yeah. Is not my jam.
And this was the early digital. So it wasn't,
Honestly, we were talking about the millennials.
I think this is what keeps the millennials away. Are
You talking quietly? 'cause they're,
they're all around us, Peter. They're
Creepy there. They're shape
shifting all around us.
But man, I don't know.
I I But also it's like the, the production, the wet, the
Equivalent Is that you like, uh, his earlier albums more?
No, no, it's not. Oh God. No.
Wet the production. The
Production. I think did the production,
is the production better on those earlier albums
than the ones like post Purple Rain even?
I don't know, Even Parade. I just love that Dry.
That's clean as a, as a, a German Audubon, right? Yeah.
And then like, you know, then this is great. It's great.
I don't know, it's just the difference
between like a more sort of like, you know, dry recorded in,
you know, like a Nashville vacuum.
Yeah. Yeah. And then this,
which just has like a bunch of, I don't dunno.
That's my, it's fair. It's a small
Quibble. That's why they're called
Quibble
Sticks. Thermometer. What do you got?
It's speedometer. What do you have? Biometer.
This is a hard one.
I might have to reevaluate.
Lemme hear what you have first. 'cause that may influence mine.
I'm going five. So you've become me.
Whatcha talking about five? Maybe.
I was always five on the ter.
How are you giving me s**t about being five when
you were five for like 12 hours?
I just said, you're becoming me. You,
you're like, how is that? Maybe,
But I think this is a legit five.
I'm going three, but
Go ahead. I think it's,
it's was obviously a hit album. Yeah.
But man, if it's not like, again, like, not
as like it's not Purple Rain.
Right, right. It's not as the most fun. That'd be a one.
There's that would be a one. Yeah.
But that's what I'm saying. That's
maybe, maybe it is a three. I don't
Know. Yeah. That's why I went.
I'm like, I,
it's definitely not a one or a 10 or anything,
but I went three 'cause it's more towards this.
I still like a lot of like, at the time, radio Friendly
be because of how he prepped it.
Because of how the, the, the world of pop music was
and the, the the fully crossed over
the whole, the whole thing.
Um, and it's also,
you can't be like there, you know what it is too?
I think Prince is such a unique artist in that like,
if it's gonna really be snobby, like a five or above.
Mm-hmm. I mean there's some snobby, like if you,
if you wanna go down a,
a interesting rabbit hole, A freaky rabbit hole.
Mm-hmm. Go to there. There's like a Prince, um,
it's like a Prince Archive website.
It looks like, it's like the website was
created in like 1998.
Mm-hmm. But it's still updated,
but it has like, information about everything is ever
recorded, unreleased thing, all that madhouse stuff,
the jyp Japanese stuff, the bootleg.
Like there's so much snobby stuff about Prince
that I'm like, this couldn't be considered the snobby
anywhere close to the snobby ast.
But it's not Purple Rain. So I go three,
Uh, CCRE month.
Oh wait, sorry. No, I skipped one.
Uh, is it better than kind of blue? No.
No it is not. No. Do you
Question for you though, Or is it better?
Sorry, this is one where maybe it's like,
is it better than Innervisions?
No, no, No.
I mean, I would put, oh, I'm sorry. Would you put Intervi?
Is Innervisions better than KOB? Yes.
Like, which would, yeah. So that's,
that's almost like a higher, uh,
In my opinion. Opinion. I
mean, this is all subjective. Yeah. Yeah.
Um, acc Monts, what do you got?
Um, well, which version? The original cover.
I mean, I would give like a seven or an eight.
I mean, attractive young lady with the, with the heart.
But like, I don't even know at this point.
Like there's a whole generation that don't know that cover.
Right. There's the whatever, Spotify and Apple Music.
And then there's, there's the version
which is a little bit different.
Some of that stuff was Prince, um, authorized.
Actually I'm gonna go eight because I love like the, what,
what do you call this font here with the,
and he's already got the symbol
going. Well, no, that's the peace
Symbol drip font. I don't
actually don't know. I don't know. Anyway,
What do you got? I
got a 10 because all things Prince are a Reman 10.
I mean, the guy is down to every detail
of his purple jumpsuit.
Perfect. You know what I'm saying? Care. But that's not, not
The cover, but this is the cover for that. We're going by
CIMAs doesn't just mean cover.
It means it doesn't the whole
of the situation's. Of course it
Does. We're have to, we're have to revisit
That course. It does. You could
Have sent me a Slack message on that my friend.
Uh, what do you have up next? I
Have the fine Young cannibals, the Raw
and the Cooked, which was released in January of 1988.
Just 'cause I feel like they really made a big meal out
of the sign of the Times.
The fine young cannibals.
Well, that would be a big www though,
if you're, if that's your up next.
Are you, are you kidding me? You would I love the meal.
The dessert sucks. No, but it's, yeah. Well
She drives me crazy. But
that would be a fall off,
especially after that one track. Probably. They all
Print the check after this one.
Of course, of course. Um, I've got Purple Wayne up next
because I want, I'm, you know, maybe a little bit, bit of a,
a backwards look, but we're, we're in The Prince.
I mean, like, that's literally
what I'd probably listen to next.
Yeah, that's a good call. I be in Prince
Mode. That's a great call. Yeah,
That's a challenge. It's a,
that's a edgy
Call, isn't it? It's
super edgy, not unexpected. Uh, you wanna read a
Zapping five FYC Find, find Young Cannibal?
Um, yes, I would. As a matter of fact, I'm Adam Manni.
No, I'm Peter Martin. I'm reading what it says.
Thank you to producer, editor and drummer.
Caleb Kirby, sound engineer. Sam Mo videographer.
Andrew Steven, that's his government name.
Designer Ian Martin, producer Liz Hammes, Hammes,
depending on where you're coming from.
And a very special thank you to Bob Debo on base. Yeah.
Um, this is our se season finale,
but we got, it's our season finale.
Do we know what we have next week? We don't know. Something
Like, well, I'm gonna be doing a No, this is a little
Teaser for whatcha.
She's preach trusting me.
No, I'm gonna be doing a little, um,
Are you sure we want to say it? Yeah,
Yeah. No, we're, I'm dropping
an episode.
We're, I'm gonna be talking about the best jazz albums
that have come out in 2025.
Like, some of my favorite stuff that has come out,
some new stuff that
Is, It's some good music on this actually.
There's a couple albums on there that we're
gonna be listening to in the next season.
Oh yeah, yeah. So some
of the best album jazz albums of 2025.
Uh, so that, uh, you can end your year listening
to some really good music.
Well check back here Monday to find out.
Until next time you'll hear it.