1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,050 The death of curiosity and the idea of doing your own research is really just 2 00:00:04,050 --> 00:00:07,260 looking for someone's opinion that agrees with you is not the same thing, right? 3 00:00:07,260 --> 00:00:10,650 Like the death of science and, and vibe Coding can theoretically 4 00:00:10,650 --> 00:00:14,370 cause people to not agree with like how computers should work. 5 00:00:15,655 --> 00:00:15,775 I. 6 00:00:20,295 --> 00:00:23,685 Welcome to Fork Around and find out the podcast about 7 00:00:23,685 --> 00:00:26,805 building, running, and maintaining software and systems. 8 00:00:39,675 --> 00:00:41,445 I think you just faff FOD right there, y'all. 9 00:00:41,714 --> 00:00:42,495 Oh geez. 10 00:00:42,495 --> 00:00:43,545 We, that's a verb now. 11 00:00:43,574 --> 00:00:43,845 Wow. 12 00:00:43,845 --> 00:00:45,644 Welcome to Fork Around and find out. 13 00:00:46,125 --> 00:00:49,724 I am Justin Garrison and with me is Autumn and Scott Hanman today. 14 00:00:49,724 --> 00:00:50,355 Welcome Scott. 15 00:00:50,355 --> 00:00:54,900 I. Hey friends, this is turning into the show and tell episode of, uh, Scott's, 16 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:58,410 uh, Scott's office and all the cool things you can do as a Microsoft employee. 17 00:00:58,769 --> 00:01:00,960 Well, no, I would respectfully push back on that. 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,580 It's not all the things you can do as a Microsoft employee. 19 00:01:02,580 --> 00:01:04,530 It's all the things you can do as a person who 20 00:01:04,530 --> 00:01:06,539 wants to build crazy stuff in your spare bedroom. 21 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:10,500 We also started with a little bit of, uh, burrito hacks, which was fascinating. 22 00:01:10,545 --> 00:01:13,500 All the things you can do at fast food places, uh, to max out 23 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:16,620 all of your credits, which is just always fun to learn about. 24 00:01:16,740 --> 00:01:19,289 We who love Chipotle prefer to refer to it as fast casual. 25 00:01:19,619 --> 00:01:24,179 Can we just talk about the fact that Scott has a taco next to his name, like 26 00:01:25,380 --> 00:01:26,009 you just saw it? 27 00:01:26,009 --> 00:01:28,044 That was, I just 28 00:01:28,074 --> 00:01:31,530 like, like I would be like, I would scroll through half of 29 00:01:31,530 --> 00:01:34,589 TikTok just to watch Scott talk about his Chipotle that day. 30 00:01:34,770 --> 00:01:36,600 Be like, we're on the same page. 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,669 Like, you understand my life. 32 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:44,100 Scott's holding up his, uh, his Chipotle VIP card, the, what is it called? 33 00:01:44,410 --> 00:01:45,494 The the burrito card? 34 00:01:45,494 --> 00:01:46,545 It's the burrito card, yeah. 35 00:01:46,545 --> 00:01:47,265 It's what they give you. 36 00:01:47,265 --> 00:01:48,315 If you have way too much Chipotle. 37 00:01:48,315 --> 00:01:50,384 It's the, it's the American Express Black Card of Chipotle. 38 00:01:50,384 --> 00:01:50,565 Okay. 39 00:01:50,925 --> 00:01:54,789 Y'all can't see it though, but Scott's name is on the burrito card. 40 00:01:54,795 --> 00:01:55,725 It's bespoke. 41 00:01:56,235 --> 00:01:56,445 Yeah. 42 00:01:56,445 --> 00:01:58,185 They, they, they print that for you. 43 00:01:58,905 --> 00:02:01,125 Speaking of printing, uh, Scott is also the reason 44 00:02:01,125 --> 00:02:03,554 that Autumn and I both have Bamboo Lab printers. 45 00:02:03,869 --> 00:02:06,089 Scott Tova here is spending everybody's paycheck. 46 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:09,419 Do not become Scott's friend. 47 00:02:09,539 --> 00:02:10,259 If you do not, do not 48 00:02:10,259 --> 00:02:14,670 follow him on social media, money will disappear out of your bank account. 49 00:02:14,970 --> 00:02:15,239 Oh my, my gosh. 50 00:02:15,239 --> 00:02:16,950 Did you seriously print that 51 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:17,910 that was printed? 52 00:02:17,910 --> 00:02:21,090 This is, I'm holding up a bronze Mandalorian 53 00:02:21,090 --> 00:02:22,740 helmet that was printed in one shop. 54 00:02:23,125 --> 00:02:25,315 With no sanding on a Bamboo labs. 55 00:02:25,734 --> 00:02:26,215 And then 56 00:02:26,335 --> 00:02:28,375 how did you print that in one shot? 57 00:02:28,615 --> 00:02:29,815 This is multiple shots. 58 00:02:29,815 --> 00:02:31,615 You can see I have a nasty seam right here. 59 00:02:31,615 --> 00:02:33,805 That's a Fallout helmet that was printed in two. 60 00:02:34,165 --> 00:02:34,915 Oh my gosh. 61 00:02:34,945 --> 00:02:37,195 That is, that's a bamboo that was printed at nine. 62 00:02:37,195 --> 00:02:37,674 That's a bamboo. 63 00:02:37,825 --> 00:02:42,234 It's a Mandalorian helmet printed at 97% on a bamboo labs P one s in one shot. 64 00:02:42,990 --> 00:02:44,610 That fits on a P one s. Nope. 65 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,060 Oh my gosh, Scott, I'm gonna have to go buy more filament. 66 00:02:48,930 --> 00:02:54,300 I aspire to be the level of nerds that have like finally made 67 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:58,170 it, and you have enough money for Chipotle and to do nerd stuff. 68 00:02:58,470 --> 00:03:00,390 Like Scott, like that's, that's goals. 69 00:03:00,660 --> 00:03:03,899 What y'all, you can't see it, but Scott 70 00:03:03,899 --> 00:03:06,060 just walked over here with a full sword like 71 00:03:08,070 --> 00:03:08,280 this. 72 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,144 That's the mandalian 73 00:03:09,285 --> 00:03:09,825 has to be video. 74 00:03:09,825 --> 00:03:10,105 Okay. 75 00:03:10,105 --> 00:03:10,505 What's it called? 76 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:11,310 The dark saber. 77 00:03:11,730 --> 00:03:12,870 That's a dark saber. 78 00:03:12,870 --> 00:03:13,320 Yeah. 79 00:03:13,665 --> 00:03:14,700 Uh, you got sound effects and lights. 80 00:03:14,790 --> 00:03:17,265 One, uh, is 3D printed using plans from ADA 81 00:03:17,265 --> 00:03:20,265 Fruit and it runs Circuit Python and there's a, 82 00:03:20,355 --> 00:03:21,975 it runs Python. 83 00:03:22,125 --> 00:03:22,275 Yeah. 84 00:03:22,275 --> 00:03:22,545 Yeah. 85 00:03:22,755 --> 00:03:24,915 So I pop this open here at the bottom. 86 00:03:25,215 --> 00:03:30,555 There's a python feather from ADA Fruit down there, and 87 00:03:30,555 --> 00:03:32,355 then there's a button right here, and I don't, you probably 88 00:03:32,355 --> 00:03:35,925 can't hear it, but it, it turns on and then it lights up. 89 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,820 I heard some of the sound effects, but I'm sure, uh, descrip or 90 00:03:38,820 --> 00:03:40,950 whatever we use to make this audio better, we'll remove it right away. 91 00:03:40,950 --> 00:03:41,100 I think 92 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:44,640 that they're removing the sound effects from the, uh, podcast. 93 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:44,730 It's 94 00:03:44,730 --> 00:03:45,510 background noise. 95 00:03:45,510 --> 00:03:47,550 We don't want that, but I 96 00:03:47,550 --> 00:03:51,480 love that this shows that Scott is constantly. 97 00:03:51,795 --> 00:03:54,975 Building projects and figuring out how like, like things work. 98 00:03:54,975 --> 00:03:57,975 Like it's the epitome of being a, like all the 99 00:03:57,975 --> 00:04:01,725 time, engineer all the things that like you enjoy. 100 00:04:01,725 --> 00:04:05,025 You find a way to hack or build or make more of. 101 00:04:05,025 --> 00:04:05,985 And I love that. 102 00:04:06,285 --> 00:04:07,185 Well, I appreciate that. 103 00:04:07,515 --> 00:04:11,920 I just, you gotta push back against the chaos or cause some of the chaos, right? 104 00:04:12,015 --> 00:04:14,445 Like this, Scott, you've been, you've been 105 00:04:14,445 --> 00:04:17,715 in tech, in software for, for a minute now. 106 00:04:17,774 --> 00:04:20,355 What do you think makes good engineers? 107 00:04:21,524 --> 00:04:23,534 If we put it in the context of ai, one of the things that I've 108 00:04:23,534 --> 00:04:26,715 been talking about is that AI is going to make the incurious. 109 00:04:27,225 --> 00:04:28,515 Less curious. 110 00:04:29,085 --> 00:04:31,245 If you already don't ask questions, you're in trouble. 111 00:04:31,575 --> 00:04:33,765 I think that an engineer should be curious. 112 00:04:33,765 --> 00:04:35,205 Like, I don't understand. 113 00:04:35,265 --> 00:04:36,165 This is just how I'm wired. 114 00:04:36,165 --> 00:04:38,925 I don't understand how you can not want to know how stuff works. 115 00:04:39,465 --> 00:04:39,735 Yeah. 116 00:04:39,825 --> 00:04:40,545 That's my problem. 117 00:04:40,545 --> 00:04:41,505 It's the rabbit hole. 118 00:04:41,835 --> 00:04:42,015 Yeah. 119 00:04:42,375 --> 00:04:43,490 I'm like, oh my God, I wanna know everything. 120 00:04:44,070 --> 00:04:46,755 You know, like there's this question that people think 121 00:04:46,755 --> 00:04:50,025 is a controversial, um, question for, um, interviewing. 122 00:04:50,205 --> 00:04:53,685 I love this question, but I can, I can argue both sides if it's a horrible 123 00:04:53,685 --> 00:04:56,145 interview question or I could argue it's the best interview question ever. 124 00:04:56,325 --> 00:04:58,065 And the question is, tell me what happens 125 00:04:58,065 --> 00:05:00,195 when you go to google.com and you press enter. 126 00:05:00,255 --> 00:05:02,835 The simplistic thing is, oh, that's a stupid question. 127 00:05:02,835 --> 00:05:05,745 It's um, it's trivia and you wanna know about H dtp and 128 00:05:05,745 --> 00:05:08,655 DNS and you wanna know how much trivia that they know. 129 00:05:09,375 --> 00:05:12,015 But I'm not asking you to tell me what you know. 130 00:05:12,015 --> 00:05:14,115 I'm asking you to imagine how it must work. 131 00:05:14,715 --> 00:05:16,455 And I want you to go as deep as you can. 132 00:05:16,905 --> 00:05:19,575 And one time I interviewed a guy and he says, well, how deep do you want to go? 133 00:05:19,575 --> 00:05:20,294 And I said, let's go. 134 00:05:20,294 --> 00:05:21,195 Like how far can you go? 135 00:05:21,195 --> 00:05:22,935 And he says, well, let's start with the keyboard. 136 00:05:23,234 --> 00:05:26,715 You press enter and the metal contacts of the enter key touch. 137 00:05:26,805 --> 00:05:30,525 And then electrons jumped between, you know, the, those contacts. 138 00:05:30,525 --> 00:05:32,505 And he started going in and we spent like 20 139 00:05:32,505 --> 00:05:34,724 minutes and he never got off the keyboard. 140 00:05:34,724 --> 00:05:35,924 And into the USB, 141 00:05:36,044 --> 00:05:37,065 he's like, is this wireless? 142 00:05:37,065 --> 00:05:38,895 Then someone probably just sniffed that outta the 143 00:05:38,895 --> 00:05:41,025 air and now someone knows you pushed enter and Right. 144 00:05:41,025 --> 00:05:41,265 So. 145 00:05:41,420 --> 00:05:43,790 The point is how do you think it must work? 146 00:05:43,850 --> 00:05:47,030 So you can ask a person who is not technical, who doesn't 147 00:05:47,030 --> 00:05:52,760 know DNS and HDDP, and just, okay, well go one level deeper. 148 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:53,570 Go one level deeper. 149 00:05:53,570 --> 00:05:55,490 And I think that's super interesting because 150 00:05:55,490 --> 00:05:57,890 it tells you if they're curious or not. 151 00:05:58,470 --> 00:06:01,770 Another example that I like to give a lot is it, I did this talk at 152 00:06:01,770 --> 00:06:04,830 like high school hackathons and I say, we're gonna learn how to code. 153 00:06:04,860 --> 00:06:06,420 Okay kids, yeah, we're gonna learn how to code. 154 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,670 And I say, uh, my toaster doesn't work. 155 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:10,890 And then we pause, we make it super awkward and like, well, 156 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:14,370 let's debug this toaster In curious people say, buy a new 157 00:06:14,370 --> 00:06:18,510 toaster in curious people are like, uh, does the power work? 158 00:06:18,570 --> 00:06:19,410 Uh, is it hot? 159 00:06:19,470 --> 00:06:22,140 One little girl said, are the neighbor's lights on? 160 00:06:22,185 --> 00:06:22,485 Well. 161 00:06:22,485 --> 00:06:24,405 'cause if the neighbor's lights aren't off, I mean 162 00:06:24,405 --> 00:06:26,475 aren't on that means power's out for the whole street. 163 00:06:26,565 --> 00:06:27,105 She's smart. 164 00:06:27,345 --> 00:06:30,315 That's my favorite part of going to schools is because kids aren't broken yet. 165 00:06:30,315 --> 00:06:32,655 Kids think about all the things. 166 00:06:32,925 --> 00:06:37,755 They have abstract thinking as just like that's their first level of thinking. 167 00:06:37,785 --> 00:06:40,756 Everything is possible and they're so much fun to talk to. 168 00:06:41,385 --> 00:06:45,375 That is such a, it's DNS answer for, I want toast. 169 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,799 The neighbor's lights are off, power's off for the neighborhood. 170 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:50,200 Therefore, and then it's also systems thinking. 171 00:06:50,260 --> 00:06:53,620 They understand that toast does not exist in, in a vacuum. 172 00:06:53,919 --> 00:06:57,880 It requires society and civilization and where did the toaster 173 00:06:57,940 --> 00:07:00,250 metal come from and the plastic and all that kinda stuff. 174 00:07:00,250 --> 00:07:04,060 So when you order crap on Temu, if you're not thinking about the giant 175 00:07:04,060 --> 00:07:08,140 ship spewing oil into the ocean as it goes across the Chinese sea, so you 176 00:07:08,140 --> 00:07:11,620 got a $1 piece of crap from Temo and you're not thinking about the system. 177 00:07:12,195 --> 00:07:13,034 That the thing works in. 178 00:07:13,034 --> 00:07:15,015 So good engineers to answer your questions 179 00:07:15,135 --> 00:07:16,755 are curious and they think about that stuff, 180 00:07:17,025 --> 00:07:21,044 which goes back to his shirt right now that says, be curious, not judgmental. 181 00:07:21,195 --> 00:07:21,645 Two things. 182 00:07:21,645 --> 00:07:22,900 Have you read the book, the Toaster Project? 183 00:07:23,380 --> 00:07:23,500 I. 184 00:07:23,685 --> 00:07:24,255 Uh huh Yeah. 185 00:07:24,255 --> 00:07:26,115 When the guy tries to build a toaster from original 186 00:07:26,115 --> 00:07:28,215 parts and he has to go and selt his own iron. 187 00:07:28,275 --> 00:07:29,025 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 188 00:07:29,025 --> 00:07:29,715 Fantastic. 189 00:07:29,895 --> 00:07:32,505 Uh, second thing, I read a book about Leonardo da Vinci, 190 00:07:32,565 --> 00:07:35,055 which he, I didn't know this beforehand, was he was 191 00:07:35,085 --> 00:07:37,544 commonly considered the most curious person in history. 192 00:07:37,695 --> 00:07:39,104 That's an interesting, I don't know if that could 193 00:07:39,104 --> 00:07:40,724 be measured, but I, I, I wouldn't hate that. 194 00:07:41,030 --> 00:07:41,300 Right. 195 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:43,250 And it was, it was fascinating hearing all of the things. 196 00:07:43,250 --> 00:07:46,220 'cause the thing I found most fascinating was he was not curious in 197 00:07:46,220 --> 00:07:49,580 a way that was trying to get him any sort of notoriety or sharing it. 198 00:07:49,580 --> 00:07:51,230 Like everything that we found out that he 199 00:07:51,230 --> 00:07:53,360 learned, we found out after the fact, right? 200 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,280 It was like all private journals that he wasn't public. 201 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,410 He published one book in his entire life that 202 00:07:57,410 --> 00:07:58,940 wasn't even like completely written by him. 203 00:07:58,940 --> 00:08:00,740 He wasn't like sharing this with the world. 204 00:08:00,860 --> 00:08:02,420 He just wrote everything down. 205 00:08:02,450 --> 00:08:03,770 'cause he wanted to learn it for himself. 206 00:08:03,770 --> 00:08:06,110 And he was so curious about so many different 207 00:08:06,110 --> 00:08:08,420 areas that he would just spend years. 208 00:08:08,945 --> 00:08:10,505 Oh, let me just dissect an eyeball. 209 00:08:10,505 --> 00:08:13,085 Literally would dissect an eyeball over and over again for like 210 00:08:13,085 --> 00:08:16,145 a year to figure out the best way to do it, what's inside of it. 211 00:08:16,325 --> 00:08:17,735 You know who that reminds me of too? 212 00:08:17,735 --> 00:08:18,995 George Washington Carver. 213 00:08:19,025 --> 00:08:22,955 I think that's, he made I think 40 different ways to use a peanut and he used 214 00:08:22,955 --> 00:08:26,285 the different oils, peanut butter, but he used it for like medicinal things. 215 00:08:26,285 --> 00:08:28,505 He used it for like, I think he ended up using the 216 00:08:28,505 --> 00:08:30,845 oil to light, like, you know, like to burn a fire. 217 00:08:30,845 --> 00:08:31,925 Like there it is just amazing. 218 00:08:31,925 --> 00:08:33,575 Like how, who would sit there with a peanut 219 00:08:33,575 --> 00:08:35,765 and say, I wanna use this 40 different ways. 220 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:36,720 You know what I mean? 221 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,720 Like he had so many patents and it's just like, I 222 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,330 think that's gonna set people apart in the future. 223 00:08:42,330 --> 00:08:43,679 Being genuinely curious. 224 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,140 Like I think for a long time people want it to be in tech because it 225 00:08:46,140 --> 00:08:50,010 made a bunch of money and we're gonna get back to like the people who 226 00:08:50,010 --> 00:08:53,310 just wanna sit there and know how everything works in obsessive detail. 227 00:08:53,670 --> 00:08:55,890 Do we still, do companies still allow that in tech? 228 00:08:55,890 --> 00:08:56,910 No, and that's one of my concerns. 229 00:08:56,910 --> 00:08:58,860 Yeah, because like now companies are making all 230 00:08:58,860 --> 00:09:00,510 the money and they say you have to move faster. 231 00:09:00,510 --> 00:09:02,250 You can't spend a year on a peanut. 232 00:09:02,625 --> 00:09:04,755 Is that a, is that gonna be a concern for us going forward? 233 00:09:04,755 --> 00:09:05,925 I feel like AI can, it's already 234 00:09:05,925 --> 00:09:09,405 a concern that the 10 x engineer and just break things 235 00:09:09,405 --> 00:09:12,194 and build things fast and as profitable as possible. 236 00:09:12,194 --> 00:09:16,965 But we've lost all curiosity, all time to invent cool things. 237 00:09:17,205 --> 00:09:19,755 Maybe our curiosity also just gets shallower, right? 238 00:09:19,755 --> 00:09:21,495 Like we only, a lot of people just like know a little 239 00:09:21,495 --> 00:09:23,925 bit about a lot of things, but rarely I know all 240 00:09:23,925 --> 00:09:25,845 the people that we talk to on this podcast, 241 00:09:25,845 --> 00:09:28,845 everybody's got dips and depths of curiosity. 242 00:09:29,235 --> 00:09:32,025 I think we're not allowing it to be showcased anymore. 243 00:09:32,670 --> 00:09:37,860 I think that if I, as an older person born of a certain 244 00:09:37,860 --> 00:09:42,120 generation with the privileges that I have had say to 245 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,260 someone that you should learn, c, that can land wrong. 246 00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:46,680 Right? 247 00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:47,700 Why? 248 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:48,555 Why would that land wrong? 249 00:09:48,835 --> 00:09:53,640 Because, because it sounds like old dude who already 250 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,670 did it, is telling young person do it the way I did. 251 00:09:57,285 --> 00:10:00,435 Now I grew up with a dad who said, you gotta drive stick shift. 252 00:10:00,885 --> 00:10:03,045 And other people are like, Hey, I just can use Uber, man. 253 00:10:03,584 --> 00:10:06,614 The problem is when, when you're using Uber or God help 254 00:10:06,614 --> 00:10:09,614 me, Uber Eats and I say, well, before you're allowed to 255 00:10:09,614 --> 00:10:12,494 use Uber Eats, you need to make a garden in our backyard. 256 00:10:13,170 --> 00:10:16,380 So that you appreciate what food look looks like, right? 257 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,579 Like, hey, this drone will deliver tacos and then a man will 258 00:10:20,579 --> 00:10:24,329 come over and move my jaw for me because it's too hard to chew. 259 00:10:24,540 --> 00:10:25,650 But that's valid though. 260 00:10:25,650 --> 00:10:28,230 'cause I think AI is gonna make people dumber now. 261 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:28,829 Dumber. 262 00:10:28,860 --> 00:10:29,699 'cause like we're. 263 00:10:31,225 --> 00:10:34,105 Like, but like, because you don't have to go and do the work, right? 264 00:10:34,105 --> 00:10:37,435 And sometimes it's not the fact that you need the answer, it's going through 265 00:10:37,435 --> 00:10:40,735 the struggle of finding the answer and the things you learn along the way. 266 00:10:41,275 --> 00:10:41,605 Yeah. 267 00:10:41,995 --> 00:10:44,935 There's a, uh, I'm gonna pull this up on my screen over here, there. 268 00:10:44,935 --> 00:10:46,885 This was a, a horrible thing I saw today. 269 00:10:46,975 --> 00:10:47,845 Let bring this up. 270 00:10:48,415 --> 00:10:50,935 Uh, I called it a tragedy in three acts. 271 00:10:51,204 --> 00:10:52,855 There's a gentle, I'm not on Twitter right now, but 272 00:10:52,855 --> 00:10:55,314 there's a gentleman on Twitter who says, he, he says. 273 00:10:55,625 --> 00:10:56,615 Uh, March 15th. 274 00:10:56,675 --> 00:11:00,215 This is a tweet, my sas, my software as a service. 275 00:11:00,245 --> 00:11:03,485 Uh, business was built with cursor zero handwritten code. 276 00:11:03,755 --> 00:11:05,555 AI is no longer just an assistant. 277 00:11:05,555 --> 00:11:08,345 It's also the builder stop whining and start building. 278 00:11:08,615 --> 00:11:09,755 That's March 15th. 279 00:11:09,935 --> 00:11:10,865 March 17th. 280 00:11:10,955 --> 00:11:12,215 Guys, I'm under attack. 281 00:11:12,485 --> 00:11:16,835 Ever since I started to build my SAS using Cursor, I maxed out on API Keys. 282 00:11:16,835 --> 00:11:19,985 People are bypassing the subscription and creating random crap in the db. 283 00:11:20,255 --> 00:11:21,515 I'm not technical. 284 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,880 So this is taking me longer than usual to figure out, 285 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:30,069 okay, now March 19th, guys, I'm shutting down my app. 286 00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:30,760 You were right. 287 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,310 I shouldn't have deployed Unsecured code to production. 288 00:11:33,310 --> 00:11:35,050 Cursor is breaking parts of the code. 289 00:11:35,050 --> 00:11:36,430 I'm gonna rebuild it with Bubble. 290 00:11:36,655 --> 00:11:37,385 What is Bubble? 291 00:11:37,564 --> 00:11:37,985 Bubble 292 00:11:38,199 --> 00:11:41,050 is a no code platform for people who can't code. 293 00:11:41,410 --> 00:11:44,650 But the point is, is that I vibe coding. 294 00:11:44,650 --> 00:11:45,130 I get it. 295 00:11:45,130 --> 00:11:49,495 Like I vibe coded a 3D Pro fractal thing that runs in the 296 00:11:49,495 --> 00:11:51,865 background that looks pretty and it like we took about 15 297 00:11:51,865 --> 00:11:54,625 minutes rather than learning how to ride a shader in unity. 298 00:11:55,620 --> 00:11:56,490 Because it's fine. 299 00:11:56,580 --> 00:11:57,540 It's not going anywhere. 300 00:11:58,170 --> 00:12:00,690 And it was fun, but I don't think you vibe 301 00:12:00,690 --> 00:12:03,630 code like the social security database, right? 302 00:12:03,660 --> 00:12:06,930 That's why the Doge boys are so dumb is just that like you can't 303 00:12:06,930 --> 00:12:11,340 vibe code your way out of government and cleaning up after Brownfield 304 00:12:11,340 --> 00:12:15,990 Enterprise applications is not built on vibes, it's built on knowledge. 305 00:12:16,260 --> 00:12:19,590 So I don't wanna gate keep vibe coating, but I at the same time need people 306 00:12:19,590 --> 00:12:23,670 to understand that somebody's gotta know how to change oil change tires. 307 00:12:24,464 --> 00:12:26,385 Rebuild an engine and there's not a lot 308 00:12:26,385 --> 00:12:28,094 of software engineers on the Walking Dead. 309 00:12:28,155 --> 00:12:31,214 Like we don't really make it into season two or three of the Walking Dead. 310 00:12:31,214 --> 00:12:34,334 It's mostly people who know how to chop wood and like make food. 311 00:12:34,604 --> 00:12:36,675 So I wanna encourage people to go deeper. 312 00:12:37,214 --> 00:12:40,334 Do you think that we are going to learn from this though? 313 00:12:40,334 --> 00:12:44,114 Like or do you think we're like, do you think that we finally dispel 314 00:12:44,145 --> 00:12:48,555 the 10 X engineer and vibe coding at the end of this Dodge Fiasco? 315 00:12:49,005 --> 00:12:50,925 Like, does security become important? 316 00:12:50,925 --> 00:12:53,775 Do we all of a sudden realize that we are missing curiosity 317 00:12:53,895 --> 00:12:56,595 and like that we cannot do engineering in this way? 318 00:12:56,595 --> 00:13:00,285 Does this dispel the tech bro toxicity or does this No. 319 00:13:00,495 --> 00:13:01,905 Like we're just gonna end up in the same thing? 320 00:13:02,055 --> 00:13:06,225 Well, that gets into a big longer conversation, but you're right, the death 321 00:13:06,225 --> 00:13:10,035 of curiosity and the idea of doing your own research is really just looking 322 00:13:10,035 --> 00:13:12,975 for someone's opinion that agrees with you is not the same thing, right? 323 00:13:12,975 --> 00:13:15,405 Like the death of science and, and vibe coding 324 00:13:15,405 --> 00:13:17,985 can theoretically cause people to not agree. 325 00:13:18,390 --> 00:13:21,360 With like how computers should work and vibe coding 326 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,819 will eventually turn into really, really good prompting, 327 00:13:23,819 --> 00:13:26,040 which will turn into quality code being generated. 328 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:29,280 But that doesn't change the fact that all of the existing code 329 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,939 that already exist in the world does has not been coded by ai. 330 00:13:32,939 --> 00:13:32,970 I. 331 00:13:33,735 --> 00:13:36,585 But think about the fact that we've always looked like everybody's 332 00:13:36,585 --> 00:13:39,405 always looked at somebody's example on Stack Overflow, right? 333 00:13:39,885 --> 00:13:43,185 But this is to the point where like you have to dig deeper. 334 00:13:43,185 --> 00:13:46,005 Like at Stack Overflow you're like, this could work, or this couldn't work. 335 00:13:46,005 --> 00:13:47,715 So we're gonna look at four different examples, 336 00:13:47,715 --> 00:13:51,105 figure out why these examples do this and dive deeper. 337 00:13:51,105 --> 00:13:52,365 But this is where we're gonna start. 338 00:13:52,575 --> 00:13:54,615 Like do you think it becomes a starting point? 339 00:13:55,005 --> 00:13:57,195 Or like, but it's not even just the vibe coding, like 340 00:13:57,195 --> 00:14:01,065 the way that Dodge is doing it in such a do it fast. 341 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:01,590 Do it. 342 00:14:01,590 --> 00:14:04,380 It doesn't matter if you know it, but like it's just not the 343 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:07,110 vibe coating, it's the vibe of just hoping it all works out. 344 00:14:07,260 --> 00:14:07,410 You know? 345 00:14:07,415 --> 00:14:07,620 It's the, it's the 346 00:14:07,620 --> 00:14:08,490 fork around stage. 347 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:08,850 Yes. 348 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:09,060 Right. 349 00:14:09,060 --> 00:14:11,370 Like that everyone thateveryone just wants to be in the fork around stage. 350 00:14:11,790 --> 00:14:12,150 Yeah. 351 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,670 And I know I overuse analogies and stuff like that, but like 352 00:14:14,670 --> 00:14:17,280 you can keep driving all you want, but like when you eventually 353 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,190 run out of oil and your car seizes up, you're gonna find out. 354 00:14:20,475 --> 00:14:21,585 Do you think we learn from this? 355 00:14:21,585 --> 00:14:24,345 Find out is this the time that we're finally going to learn? 356 00:14:24,405 --> 00:14:25,095 You know what I mean? 357 00:14:25,485 --> 00:14:28,785 As the parent of a 17-year-old and a 19-year-old who are finding 358 00:14:28,785 --> 00:14:32,445 out whether it be like, yeah, I can, I can do an all-nighter and 359 00:14:32,445 --> 00:14:36,045 do that homework, and finding out that that's maybe not the move. 360 00:14:36,195 --> 00:14:39,975 I think that finding out matters and it is a healthy part of life. 361 00:14:40,455 --> 00:14:43,365 I just don't think you should find out on important. 362 00:14:43,709 --> 00:14:44,250 Stuff. 363 00:14:44,699 --> 00:14:47,850 I always talk about natural consequences when I talk to my sons like this, 364 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,850 and if, if you make a mistake and something bad happens, hopefully it's 365 00:14:50,850 --> 00:14:55,770 not a mistake that costs you a foot or a toe, but you do need to screw up. 366 00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:57,839 You need to run out, run out of gas, and 367 00:14:57,839 --> 00:14:59,640 pull to the side of the road and call aaa. 368 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,380 That's not a life changing thing. 369 00:15:01,530 --> 00:15:04,140 So I want natural consequences to happen to people so that 370 00:15:04,140 --> 00:15:06,780 they can learn and grow, but I don't want natural consequences 371 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:09,000 to happen to people where they hurt themselves or others. 372 00:15:09,765 --> 00:15:10,935 That's where I'm at with my kids. 373 00:15:10,964 --> 00:15:13,545 I'm getting into that preteen stage and I'm like, what 374 00:15:13,545 --> 00:15:16,844 things can I let you find out on your own and that will 375 00:15:16,844 --> 00:15:19,724 teach you to be a better human and plan in the future? 376 00:15:19,785 --> 00:15:21,735 And what things do I need to stop you from doing? 377 00:15:22,454 --> 00:15:23,145 You know what I mean? 378 00:15:23,145 --> 00:15:25,395 And I like, is the government something you 379 00:15:25,395 --> 00:15:27,344 can let natural hawk consequences happen? 380 00:15:27,765 --> 00:15:28,724 Like, are we gonna survive? 381 00:15:29,805 --> 00:15:32,204 How does that apply to like other areas of life? 382 00:15:32,235 --> 00:15:32,415 Right. 383 00:15:32,415 --> 00:15:34,395 When I think of things that I've learned my 384 00:15:34,395 --> 00:15:36,795 lesson about was I broke my arm when I was. 385 00:15:37,070 --> 00:15:40,160 15 years old and it's still, it doesn't work well today. 386 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:40,220 Is 387 00:15:40,220 --> 00:15:41,390 this the mosh pit thing? 388 00:15:41,570 --> 00:15:41,660 Yes. 389 00:15:41,660 --> 00:15:42,260 Like is this 390 00:15:42,260 --> 00:15:42,860 the mosh pit? 391 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:43,310 Yeah, 392 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:46,880 that is the, that pitcher just every time 393 00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:52,310 my 19-year-old put his arms up and a limo, uh, and the, the wind caught one 394 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:55,460 of his arms and it flipped his arms backwards and popped it outta joint and 395 00:15:55,970 --> 00:15:59,150 he had, he had shoulder surgery to fix it and it's never gonna be the same. 396 00:15:59,390 --> 00:15:59,540 Yeah. 397 00:15:59,540 --> 00:16:00,800 So there, there's those sorts of things that are 398 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,675 just kind of like, it wasn't really a decision. 399 00:16:03,375 --> 00:16:06,045 Necessarily it was a thing that happened and, 400 00:16:06,045 --> 00:16:07,995 and I found out in a way that I didn't want to. 401 00:16:08,085 --> 00:16:09,615 Um, but I also feel like there are a lot 402 00:16:09,615 --> 00:16:12,855 of those areas that it, it's fine, right? 403 00:16:12,855 --> 00:16:14,865 Like I've crashed my bike plenty of times. 404 00:16:14,865 --> 00:16:17,265 I've, I've written bad front end code plenty, plenty of times. 405 00:16:17,265 --> 00:16:18,735 And like, none of that was super critical. 406 00:16:18,915 --> 00:16:20,985 But the areas that, yeah, you're right, there are levels of 407 00:16:20,985 --> 00:16:25,305 importance and, and the repercussions are a lot more serious. 408 00:16:25,425 --> 00:16:28,935 How do we keep that, like the back to the curiosity piece, like. 409 00:16:29,415 --> 00:16:32,234 That often comes from learning a lot of different things, right? 410 00:16:32,234 --> 00:16:33,944 Like Scott, you, you have 3D printing, you have video 411 00:16:33,944 --> 00:16:37,724 games, you got fast food, you know, stuff like, whatever. 412 00:16:37,724 --> 00:16:39,494 Like you have so many different areas that you 413 00:16:39,494 --> 00:16:42,584 have been curious and explored and gone deep in. 414 00:16:42,944 --> 00:16:43,635 Some of them. 415 00:16:43,665 --> 00:16:47,265 We want to keep letting people go wide to find where 416 00:16:47,265 --> 00:16:49,395 they're curious and see how those interests overlap. 417 00:16:49,425 --> 00:16:49,665 Right? 418 00:16:49,665 --> 00:16:52,214 And like those, like your, the things you learn probably on your arcade 419 00:16:52,214 --> 00:16:55,334 cabinets apply to some of your 3D printing and apply to some of your coding. 420 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,689 Yeah, well, so the example I give is that my, I'm the first one in my 421 00:17:03,689 --> 00:17:08,129 family to really go to college and be like a programmer type, but I'm 422 00:17:08,129 --> 00:17:12,210 realizing as I get older that my dad and I are the same guy and all 423 00:17:12,210 --> 00:17:14,879 this 3D printing and video games and retro gaming and raspberry pies. 424 00:17:14,879 --> 00:17:15,510 It's the same thing. 425 00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:15,720 He said. 426 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,639 He's in his shop with a LA and making wood stuff and making toys for 427 00:17:20,639 --> 00:17:24,510 kids, and he's doing the exact same stuff except his, his computers are. 428 00:17:24,585 --> 00:17:29,955 Woodworking tools and the Yankee workshop, but the same like pushing 429 00:17:29,955 --> 00:17:33,345 back against the chaos by just making stuff and trying to put good 430 00:17:33,345 --> 00:17:37,815 things, you know, take molecules and put them into an oriented positive 431 00:17:37,815 --> 00:17:41,295 way, and then put them into the universe is we're the same guy. 432 00:17:41,355 --> 00:17:41,925 You know what I mean? 433 00:17:42,015 --> 00:17:44,685 Making stuff for joy's sake. 434 00:17:45,330 --> 00:17:46,650 Don't have, like, you can have hobbies. 435 00:17:46,650 --> 00:17:49,590 Like this is another thing we need to tell the young people and, 436 00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:53,130 and the post covid people is like, it's okay to not monetize stuff. 437 00:17:53,220 --> 00:17:54,390 Like you just have a hobby. 438 00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:57,900 Like there's this buddy of mine on, on TikTok named Rodney Norman. 439 00:17:57,900 --> 00:17:59,160 I know Autumn, you've probably seen him. 440 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,790 He's a crazy eyed long beard zz, top looking dude. 441 00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:04,740 And he comes, he pops on your for you page. 442 00:18:04,740 --> 00:18:08,160 He goes, Hey, hey, uh, how's it going you guys? 443 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,570 Uh, you know, you can just do stuff. 444 00:18:10,725 --> 00:18:10,965 I give 445 00:18:10,965 --> 00:18:15,719 up TikTok, but I honestly miss it, not because of what TikTok is supposed to be, 446 00:18:15,719 --> 00:18:20,219 but the fact that people share the random joy of their life, like you're saying. 447 00:18:20,610 --> 00:18:21,689 But you know what's interesting? 448 00:18:22,199 --> 00:18:25,980 It sounds like you and your dad both make art, but 449 00:18:25,980 --> 00:18:27,870 you're making it with different mediums almost. 450 00:18:27,899 --> 00:18:28,409 You know what I mean? 451 00:18:28,409 --> 00:18:31,260 Like you're making something, but they're just different mediums in which, 452 00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:34,980 and it sounds like it's also funny that like you approach all these things 453 00:18:34,980 --> 00:18:38,699 in the same process of curiosity and wanting to make things like code. 454 00:18:39,375 --> 00:18:41,055 3D printing all of these things. 455 00:18:41,235 --> 00:18:44,685 And so your process is the same, it's just for different outcomes? 456 00:18:45,015 --> 00:18:45,285 Yeah. 457 00:18:45,405 --> 00:18:48,135 Well, I mean, I don't even know the, the, the result is different, 458 00:18:48,135 --> 00:18:51,315 but the, the result is joy and happiness and making people happy. 459 00:18:51,315 --> 00:18:54,705 Whether if I make a toy and print out a little man and give it to somebody, I. 460 00:18:55,290 --> 00:18:57,450 After the 3D printer, my dad makes it outta wood. 461 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,570 The point is, we made something I, I really try to 462 00:19:00,570 --> 00:19:04,230 find a balance between consumption and creation. 463 00:19:04,530 --> 00:19:08,040 I do realize that one, like things suck right now and everyone's 464 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,980 working really hard and it's okay to sit down and doom scroll. 465 00:19:10,980 --> 00:19:13,560 I. But I think we should doom scroll with intention. 466 00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:15,300 Like I don't want you to think that, oh, Hanselman's 467 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:18,300 got more serotonin than I do and, and he somehow can 468 00:19:18,300 --> 00:19:21,660 like work a nine to five and then work a five to nine. 469 00:19:22,170 --> 00:19:24,660 I'm not saying that, but I'm saying that if you find yourself 470 00:19:24,660 --> 00:19:27,540 doom scrolling for more than three or four hours, maybe take 471 00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:32,280 a beat and go, did I do this on purpose or did this happen? 472 00:19:33,345 --> 00:19:34,965 You gotta balance it out too, right? 473 00:19:34,965 --> 00:19:40,575 Like we can't endure and still show up and kind of be a 474 00:19:40,575 --> 00:19:44,085 part of good things and the change and like see it through 475 00:19:44,085 --> 00:19:48,255 if we don't endure and get through what we're doing now. 476 00:19:48,255 --> 00:19:50,235 And I think sometimes you need the rest. 477 00:19:50,235 --> 00:19:51,855 Like you don't always have to earn the rest. 478 00:19:51,855 --> 00:19:55,605 You have to rest and have the hobbies and find the joy because it's 479 00:19:55,605 --> 00:19:58,635 the only way that we make it to create that good in the end, you know? 480 00:19:58,695 --> 00:20:00,825 Like it's just not sustainable. 481 00:20:01,010 --> 00:20:01,879 Is there a balance there? 482 00:20:01,879 --> 00:20:04,820 I I'm thinking of my own, like consumption habits and Yeah. 483 00:20:04,820 --> 00:20:07,760 During covid time, like I did way too much TikTok consumption. 484 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,909 I, it comes in waves for me of being able to create things. 485 00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:12,860 I'm like, oh, I get inspired to create some stuff, so I'm just 486 00:20:12,860 --> 00:20:14,689 gonna create a bunch of stuff at once and then maybe go back to 487 00:20:14,689 --> 00:20:17,659 kind of a consumption mode, read some books, things like that. 488 00:20:17,659 --> 00:20:21,050 But in there I often find that I miss the, like, maintenance side of 489 00:20:21,050 --> 00:20:23,600 things where I'm like, I just have to maintain something sometimes. 490 00:20:23,629 --> 00:20:26,929 And last night I was, I'm, I'm trying to put in some 491 00:20:26,929 --> 00:20:29,960 new faucets in my bathroom and literally like went to. 492 00:20:30,275 --> 00:20:32,255 Home Depot bought the, you know, new valve. 493 00:20:32,255 --> 00:20:33,785 They all have different sizes for everything. 494 00:20:33,785 --> 00:20:34,895 So like bought new valves, stuff like that. 495 00:20:34,895 --> 00:20:37,835 Started taking off, shut off the water for the house, took it apart. 496 00:20:37,835 --> 00:20:39,155 I'm like, oh, everything I bought is wrong. 497 00:20:39,275 --> 00:20:40,235 And then realized that like. 498 00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:43,080 I can't, I either have to go back to Home Depot right now. 499 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:43,800 It's like nine o'clock. 500 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:44,550 I'm like, they're still open. 501 00:20:44,550 --> 00:20:47,100 I could go, it's like, or I could just call the plumber, have them come 502 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:50,159 do it the next day, which is actually, they're coming in in an hour. 503 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,159 So you, so you gave up, like you just said, this is no longer worth my time. 504 00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:54,090 I threw in the towel. 505 00:20:54,090 --> 00:20:54,240 Right. 506 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,679 Like I was, I wasn't doing it to save money. 507 00:20:55,679 --> 00:20:57,030 I was doing it because I thought it'd be an 508 00:20:57,030 --> 00:20:59,280 easy job to do and I was trying to save time. 509 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,480 'cause I was like, I didn't want coordinate with 510 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,220 someone else, be home, have them do this stuff. 511 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,260 And then I realized that like I didn't have the skillset 512 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,870 to do it and I didn't have the tools necessary to do it. 513 00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:08,520 And so my, my water at my house has been shut off. 514 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,135 For almost 24 hours now, uh, because one of the pipes was leaking and 515 00:21:13,135 --> 00:21:15,325 I couldn't get it sealed again, and I didn't go back to the store. 516 00:21:15,325 --> 00:21:15,925 I didn't have time. 517 00:21:15,925 --> 00:21:19,075 So now it's just like, okay, I'm, now, I found out that I could not do 518 00:21:19,075 --> 00:21:22,615 that maintenance, but that it's, it seems like that's often missed in this. 519 00:21:22,705 --> 00:21:24,895 We can consume things, we can make things for joy, which is 520 00:21:24,895 --> 00:21:27,745 often great, but then sometimes we have to patch some drywall. 521 00:21:28,715 --> 00:21:29,554 I think that's valid. 522 00:21:29,554 --> 00:21:31,715 I would, I, I resonate with that a lot. 523 00:21:31,715 --> 00:21:35,645 Like I've replaced all the toilets myself and I've done the, a bunch of 524 00:21:35,645 --> 00:21:38,735 plumbing, but at some point, like, uh, my son, my 17-year-old bought a 525 00:21:38,735 --> 00:21:42,245 thing 'cause he, it gets cold here and his car needs to be warmed up. 526 00:21:42,514 --> 00:21:44,495 So he has to wake up early, go out, warm the car up. 527 00:21:44,685 --> 00:21:47,895 Go back in the house, make breakfast, and then his car can be driven. 528 00:21:48,315 --> 00:21:50,625 So he got a remote starter and I was like, 529 00:21:50,655 --> 00:21:51,975 oh yeah, we'll bang that out in a weekend. 530 00:21:51,975 --> 00:21:54,524 You and I'll be bonding thing and we'll, we'll take the car apart. 531 00:21:54,524 --> 00:21:56,655 We'll put the remote starter thing in in your 532 00:21:56,655 --> 00:21:59,325 2001 Honda and everything is gonna be great. 533 00:21:59,475 --> 00:22:01,065 And we popped the thing open and started 534 00:22:01,065 --> 00:22:02,835 pulling panels off the car and we were like. 535 00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:05,610 Dad does not know how to do this. 536 00:22:05,670 --> 00:22:08,100 And we had YouTube and we sat there for six hours and I buttoned 537 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:10,020 the whole car up and I says, we gotta get somebody to help me. 538 00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:11,280 'cause I can't. 539 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,600 I felt bad as a dad. 540 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:13,800 I felt bad as a dude. 541 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,060 I felt bad as a person. 542 00:22:15,060 --> 00:22:18,240 Like I don't think I have the ability to take this car apart. 543 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:18,450 But that's 544 00:22:18,450 --> 00:22:21,090 a skill in itself though, knowing when to quit. 545 00:22:21,485 --> 00:22:23,344 Is a skill because like, you know what I mean? 546 00:22:23,344 --> 00:22:26,284 Sometimes you can keep going and completely mess something up so much first. 547 00:22:26,284 --> 00:22:27,004 I mean, how many 548 00:22:27,004 --> 00:22:28,955 GI branches do you have that you're just like, 549 00:22:28,955 --> 00:22:30,604 you know what, not doing this anymore, right? 550 00:22:30,604 --> 00:22:32,254 Like we're starting over with this reboot. 551 00:22:32,254 --> 00:22:33,185 Well like get commits. 552 00:22:33,185 --> 00:22:34,324 All my get commits are like. 553 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:36,840 Maybe this'll work trying again. 554 00:22:36,990 --> 00:22:37,050 Yeah. 555 00:22:37,770 --> 00:22:38,850 Jenkins this time. 556 00:22:39,630 --> 00:22:41,520 And then you're like, how do I squash? 557 00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:42,720 How do I squash commit? 558 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,150 No one should see this. 559 00:22:45,660 --> 00:22:46,020 Yes. 560 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,310 I tried to hide the like my GI pages, like history. 561 00:22:50,340 --> 00:22:52,140 'cause I tried to like fix something so many 562 00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:54,300 times and then it unpublished my whole website. 563 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:54,810 I was so mad. 564 00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:57,240 I've got a bunch of comments in my code where it's 565 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,250 just like, I don't know how many times I've written. 566 00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:02,700 May God have mercy on my soul in a comment. 567 00:23:03,030 --> 00:23:04,650 In actual production code. 568 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:05,970 That's so real though. 569 00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:10,800 Like in that moment actually, you know, it's another thing that's interesting 570 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,740 about consumption now that people are doing so many band, like, you know, 571 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:17,820 like not buying things at certain places or whatever, it's like makes 572 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:20,670 you think about what you actually buy and the fact that you can make 573 00:23:20,670 --> 00:23:24,720 cool things with 3D printers or just making things is like so much fun. 574 00:23:24,990 --> 00:23:27,210 You know, every time I go on TikTok, and again, 575 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:28,470 I know you're not a TikTok anymore, but like. 576 00:23:28,585 --> 00:23:30,415 But my TikTok is a, is a joy. 577 00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:34,885 I I have curated my FYP and it's lovely, but whenever I go there and I share 578 00:23:34,885 --> 00:23:38,155 my joy of 3D printing, they're like, ah, more plastic crap for the oceans. 579 00:23:38,155 --> 00:23:42,415 And it's like, I can, I can use all the like, just plant-based 580 00:23:42,445 --> 00:23:45,655 disposable, biodegradable plastic that I want to use, but 581 00:23:45,655 --> 00:23:49,945 it's like surely making, like, I made a tablet holder, you 582 00:23:49,945 --> 00:23:53,185 know, with like a, it's got like a, a, you can like adjust it. 583 00:23:53,185 --> 00:23:54,085 It's a whole thing, right? 584 00:23:54,085 --> 00:23:57,955 Like this is the kind of crap that we're shipping from China. 585 00:23:58,635 --> 00:23:59,985 And we're cool with that. 586 00:24:00,225 --> 00:24:03,225 We're flying it here with petrol, but then I make it in 587 00:24:03,225 --> 00:24:05,595 my house and I'm the one that should, you know, like. 588 00:24:06,165 --> 00:24:10,305 Can we just celebrate the fact that this was beamed here with electrons? 589 00:24:10,305 --> 00:24:12,795 Like it's a freaking Star Trek replicator. 590 00:24:12,945 --> 00:24:16,155 I spawned this from my, like Minecraft. 591 00:24:16,905 --> 00:24:20,025 I went to a, I said Tea Earl Gray Hot, and 592 00:24:20,025 --> 00:24:22,125 this thing popped out of a microwave oven. 593 00:24:22,335 --> 00:24:22,455 Okay. 594 00:24:22,455 --> 00:24:23,626 And I don't get celebrated for that. 595 00:24:23,631 --> 00:24:24,675 I'm excited about that movie. 596 00:24:24,675 --> 00:24:26,655 Then my kids are like, just like, 597 00:24:26,745 --> 00:24:26,955 which movie? 598 00:24:26,955 --> 00:24:27,015 The 599 00:24:27,765 --> 00:24:28,575 Minecraft movie? 600 00:24:28,995 --> 00:24:30,105 No, that's garbage. 601 00:24:30,315 --> 00:24:31,605 That's an absolute nightmare. 602 00:24:31,925 --> 00:24:33,575 There's that, that Jack Black. 603 00:24:33,575 --> 00:24:34,985 I love him, but he's gonna ruin that movie. 604 00:24:34,985 --> 00:24:36,065 It cannot be the voice of her. 605 00:24:36,065 --> 00:24:36,215 Okay. 606 00:24:36,215 --> 00:24:36,330 He's definitely 607 00:24:36,330 --> 00:24:37,024 gonna ruin it. 608 00:24:37,024 --> 00:24:40,145 But the fact that I get to see like a little square B, like, 609 00:24:40,445 --> 00:24:40,865 I don't know. 610 00:24:40,865 --> 00:24:42,730 I'm very concerned about that movie Jack 611 00:24:42,730 --> 00:24:43,895 Black and Jason Momoa. 612 00:24:43,955 --> 00:24:46,985 Like it was, this was not your like, why are you here? 613 00:24:47,105 --> 00:24:50,615 I just feel like the Mario movie barely was okay 614 00:24:50,705 --> 00:24:53,044 with Chris Pratt, my least favorite Hollywood. 615 00:24:53,044 --> 00:24:53,524 Chris, 616 00:24:53,524 --> 00:24:57,905 why do they keep trying to like put like a whole grown adults and kids? 617 00:24:57,905 --> 00:24:58,625 Like why, like it. 618 00:24:58,895 --> 00:25:01,745 Like Minecraft is very specifically about two children. 619 00:25:02,060 --> 00:25:02,405 I know, I know. 620 00:25:03,425 --> 00:25:05,975 I don't understand how Jack Black is supposed to be Blo play. 621 00:25:05,975 --> 00:25:07,264 Bowser and Steve. 622 00:25:07,295 --> 00:25:10,295 Like, it just, it's, it's between him and Chris. 623 00:25:10,295 --> 00:25:13,385 They have all the lockdown on all of the, all the voices. 624 00:25:13,385 --> 00:25:13,565 And then 625 00:25:13,565 --> 00:25:15,935 it ruined Jurassic Park and believing in things from 626 00:25:15,935 --> 00:25:18,395 my children because my kid was like, isn't that Owen? 627 00:25:18,395 --> 00:25:19,235 And I was like, okay. 628 00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:21,980 Um, this is like telling you that Santa's not real. 629 00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:25,159 One of my favorite things about having a bad memory and being terrible at 630 00:25:25,159 --> 00:25:28,520 faces is I will watch so many movies and have no idea who the people are. 631 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:29,780 Oh really? 632 00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:30,169 Yeah. 633 00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:32,120 And my wife is like, how do you not know it's that person? 634 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:33,590 Like, I have no clue who you're talking about. 635 00:25:33,649 --> 00:25:38,030 Oh, I have that classic, I don't know, I don't think I'm neuro spicy 636 00:25:38,030 --> 00:25:41,389 or neuro anything, but like I will pause the movie and I'll go. 637 00:25:42,165 --> 00:25:47,564 I saw that person in 1987 in the background scene of God, godfather two. 638 00:25:47,564 --> 00:25:48,165 You know what I mean? 639 00:25:48,585 --> 00:25:51,855 Most of our TV watching is IMDB searching for stuff. 640 00:25:52,095 --> 00:25:54,105 Another thing that I like doing, this is totally random, 641 00:25:54,105 --> 00:25:56,205 but this is, I think you're the right audience for this. 642 00:25:56,564 --> 00:26:00,945 I've never said this before, but I really like giving Atta boys and 643 00:26:00,945 --> 00:26:04,814 Atta girls to secondary characters and character actors in shows. 644 00:26:05,385 --> 00:26:09,375 So if you see a show and you see like this, the friend. 645 00:26:10,274 --> 00:26:11,745 It could be a ha Hallmark movie. 646 00:26:11,745 --> 00:26:13,215 There's like the whatever, and then there's their friend. 647 00:26:13,635 --> 00:26:16,155 And the friend is not a name, they're just a working actor. 648 00:26:16,635 --> 00:26:18,794 Or you see a show and they're like fifth or 649 00:26:18,794 --> 00:26:21,735 sixth on the call sheet and they did a great job. 650 00:26:22,485 --> 00:26:25,995 I go on, find them on social media and I say, I loved you in whatever. 651 00:26:26,534 --> 00:26:28,155 I thought you did a really great job and wish 652 00:26:28,155 --> 00:26:30,044 you all the best in your continued success. 653 00:26:30,074 --> 00:26:31,304 Like keep killing it. 654 00:26:31,334 --> 00:26:36,645 You're doing a great job on whatever power or you know, I saw you in this thing. 655 00:26:36,794 --> 00:26:39,135 And then inevitably, five years later. 656 00:26:39,735 --> 00:26:42,284 That person will come up and they'll get 657 00:26:42,284 --> 00:26:44,085 their big break and they'll be on a thing. 658 00:26:44,595 --> 00:26:47,264 But they followed me before because they had 659 00:26:47,264 --> 00:26:49,215 4,000 followers and now they're somebody. 660 00:26:49,274 --> 00:26:53,415 And I've like built relationships with actors by finding them 661 00:26:53,415 --> 00:26:56,625 during their come up where it's like, that one is gonna be amazing. 662 00:26:56,625 --> 00:26:58,875 And when you get your thing, like you keep freaking grinding. 663 00:26:59,295 --> 00:27:04,004 So a couple of times a month I will shout out a random character actor. 664 00:27:04,034 --> 00:27:04,995 'cause I just think that. 665 00:27:05,005 --> 00:27:09,355 For every Brad Pitt, there's 10,000 that were background actors 666 00:27:09,355 --> 00:27:13,135 who will then be Brad Pitt in 10 years, and it's so fun to watch. 667 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,230 People like that just keep grinding and doing awesome stuff. 668 00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:16,680 So I 669 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,840 like to do that with people that are trying to get into tech, 670 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,810 which is like, I guess not the same, but it's just like, dude, 671 00:27:21,810 --> 00:27:25,080 that grind is so hard and right now it is especially hard. 672 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,900 Can you imagine trying to get your first job in this market? 673 00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:30,000 And like I'll see people and they'll be like working on a 674 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,370 project or studying for an interview and I'm like, keep going. 675 00:27:32,430 --> 00:27:33,060 You've got this. 676 00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:33,540 'cause like I love 677 00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:35,040 it and I get the little fire thing when you 678 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,840 go on TikTok and you're the first comment. 679 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,250 So I always like keep doing it. 680 00:27:38,250 --> 00:27:38,850 First comment. 681 00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:42,000 Or I go on their lives when they're doing streams with like three people. 682 00:27:42,375 --> 00:27:45,195 People need some good and happy in this world. 683 00:27:45,195 --> 00:27:46,845 That's one thing I really like about you. 684 00:27:46,845 --> 00:27:49,455 Like even your stories, you got a Chipotle card and 685 00:27:49,455 --> 00:27:51,915 then you start buying random, like free Chipotle. 686 00:27:52,005 --> 00:27:56,445 Like it's so, it takes so little to do nice things in the world and 687 00:27:56,445 --> 00:28:00,345 there's not enough people doing like being the good that people wanna see. 688 00:28:00,345 --> 00:28:02,055 People are doing a lot of complaining. 689 00:28:02,210 --> 00:28:06,679 And not a lot of doing the very easy small things to try 690 00:28:06,679 --> 00:28:09,260 to, like, you could just say something nice to somebody. 691 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,159 Don't be a douche. 692 00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:10,760 Like, you know what I 693 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:10,879 mean? 694 00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:13,190 And, and it doesn't even have to be like public, right? 695 00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:15,139 Like, I mean, you can, you can do like, you could say that was 696 00:28:15,139 --> 00:28:17,270 a great project in private or whatever, like the TikTok lives. 697 00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:18,950 I would go into so many people and just like start 698 00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:20,360 tapping the screen to give the hearts, right? 699 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:21,169 I'm just like, whatever. 700 00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:22,280 You don't want to quote tweet. 701 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,080 This is not a quote tweet opportunity. 702 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,210 This is a private conversation opportunity. 703 00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:30,090 But that's where PE people overthink stuff like I, the challenge 704 00:28:30,090 --> 00:28:32,205 is though, what is preventing people from being just pleasant? 705 00:28:32,895 --> 00:28:36,225 Yeah, dude, we lost empathy during COV. 706 00:28:36,284 --> 00:28:39,915 Like it's empathy is a huge, like empathy is so 707 00:28:39,915 --> 00:28:42,554 important to how we interact with each other. 708 00:28:42,885 --> 00:28:45,705 If somebody would just think about like how that person could 709 00:28:45,705 --> 00:28:48,284 be having a good day or a bad day, or just empathizing with 710 00:28:48,284 --> 00:28:51,675 the situation, we would be like, we could fix so many problems. 711 00:28:51,675 --> 00:28:54,645 It would be so much of a better world with just a small change like that. 712 00:28:54,825 --> 00:28:57,195 How do you find that though, because I was on this show a 713 00:28:57,195 --> 00:28:59,804 couple of days ago that you should have her on this show. 714 00:28:59,804 --> 00:29:00,585 Her name is Sharon. 715 00:29:00,730 --> 00:29:01,210 Deed. 716 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,080 She is a, uh, empathy consultant and, uh, she has a really severe stutter. 717 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,290 And the way that she worked on her stutter was to become an international 718 00:29:08,290 --> 00:29:11,650 keynote speaker, which I think is such a flex to like, I have a stutter. 719 00:29:11,770 --> 00:29:13,030 I'm gonna go and be a keynote speaker, 720 00:29:13,030 --> 00:29:14,440 and that's gonna like, make things better. 721 00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:15,850 And, uh, she's great. 722 00:29:15,850 --> 00:29:19,630 And she was talking, she, her show is about empathy and how do we find that. 723 00:29:19,870 --> 00:29:20,740 But my question to you is. 724 00:29:21,570 --> 00:29:24,600 How do you ex, is it rude to expect empathy 725 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,070 from people who are really struggling? 726 00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:27,690 Like, I expect empathy. 727 00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:30,030 The higher up we get, the higher up in government. 728 00:29:30,030 --> 00:29:31,440 The higher up in life, the more money you 729 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,750 have, the more your bills are on auto pay. 730 00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:35,250 I expect more empathy from you. 731 00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:37,590 I think it's not good for us to expect empathy 732 00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:38,760 from people who are trying to pay the rent 733 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,240 that give. 734 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,660 Do you ever heard the, the, um, sayings of having enough spoons. 735 00:29:43,050 --> 00:29:43,695 Yeah, this spoon. 736 00:29:43,695 --> 00:29:44,820 Yeah, you gotta have spoons. 737 00:29:44,820 --> 00:29:46,920 Those have, those people have more spoons for empathy. 738 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,280 Right. 739 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,540 But I think they should. 740 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:49,650 Yeah, they should. 741 00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:53,700 They, so like, I think like I'm a single mom, I have things going on, but 742 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:57,930 I am so much better off than other people that could be in my situation. 743 00:29:57,930 --> 00:29:58,200 Right? 744 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,370 So if I see a mom that needs help, or if I see moms working on stuff for tech, 745 00:30:02,375 --> 00:30:06,675 where if I see other women struggling, like I. We all have stuff going on, 746 00:30:07,004 --> 00:30:11,895 but if you have been blessed in some sort of way, I feel like it is on you to 747 00:30:11,895 --> 00:30:17,145 pay that back and be like, I remember I got this job and Kelsey Hightower out 748 00:30:17,145 --> 00:30:20,834 of nowhere, didn't even know he knew I existed, was like, been watching you. 749 00:30:20,834 --> 00:30:24,344 I'm so like, like glad that like everything worked out for you, dude. 750 00:30:24,645 --> 00:30:28,245 That makes your day when someone is nice and kind to you. 751 00:30:28,965 --> 00:30:31,665 Like the little things, just encouraging other people, 752 00:30:31,665 --> 00:30:34,005 like a lot of it doesn't take a lot of extra work. 753 00:30:34,185 --> 00:30:34,425 Yeah. 754 00:30:34,575 --> 00:30:37,155 Kelsey lives in the same town as I do, and he and I talk 755 00:30:37,155 --> 00:30:39,730 and he's, that's a classic Kelsey move you to be, but that 756 00:30:39,730 --> 00:30:41,450 is, that's so impactful to other people. 757 00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:41,970 A hundred percent. 758 00:30:42,225 --> 00:30:42,675 You know what I mean? 759 00:30:42,675 --> 00:30:42,735 Yeah. 760 00:30:43,485 --> 00:30:44,895 Real G's move in silence. 761 00:30:44,895 --> 00:30:45,735 Like lasagna. 762 00:30:48,435 --> 00:30:52,330 I'm putting that on his shirt and it's gonna be like Scott Hanselman. 763 00:30:53,390 --> 00:30:57,855 That's not, sounds like a Garfield quote, but not, and that like. 764 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,140 I do think that goes what you're saying there, like autopay, like the, the 765 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,620 moment I knew that I had made it was when I had my bills on autopay, right? 766 00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:05,940 Because the, the amount of people that. 767 00:31:06,765 --> 00:31:09,165 Don't have that especially, and the amount of people that go from 768 00:31:09,165 --> 00:31:11,625 not having that to having that is actually a pretty small portion. 769 00:31:11,625 --> 00:31:11,865 Right. 770 00:31:11,925 --> 00:31:14,565 Some people just have always had auto pay bills and they don't know 771 00:31:14,565 --> 00:31:17,775 what it's like to have to actually count and, and pay on a certain date. 772 00:31:18,435 --> 00:31:19,365 That wi is wild to me. 773 00:31:19,365 --> 00:31:21,495 My kids will like, ask for stuff and I'll be 774 00:31:21,495 --> 00:31:23,835 like, you have fresh fruit and dental coverage. 775 00:31:23,835 --> 00:31:25,095 Sit down, middle class children. 776 00:31:25,095 --> 00:31:25,305 Like, 777 00:31:25,965 --> 00:31:26,355 yeah. 778 00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:30,105 I mean, like it's, it's challenging too because you wanna like. 779 00:31:30,785 --> 00:31:32,765 Everyone wants street cred and everyone wants to be taken 780 00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:36,095 seriously and like I get that my bills are on auto pay now, but I 781 00:31:36,095 --> 00:31:39,215 still will say to my kids, like, you, you have McDonald's money. 782 00:31:39,635 --> 00:31:42,335 Like that kind of conversation needs to happen because if 783 00:31:42,335 --> 00:31:46,085 you forget where you came from and not only your bills are on 784 00:31:46,085 --> 00:31:48,695 auto pay, but someone mows your lawn and you know you don't 785 00:31:48,695 --> 00:31:51,880 even know how much milk costs, then you completely lose touch. 786 00:31:52,845 --> 00:31:55,425 I think that's a huge part of the empathy 787 00:31:55,485 --> 00:31:57,825 is that people forgot where they came from. 788 00:31:57,855 --> 00:31:58,305 Like, 789 00:31:58,665 --> 00:31:59,925 one of the things I tried for myself was, I'm 790 00:31:59,925 --> 00:32:01,485 thinking about J-Lo at the bodega right now. 791 00:32:01,485 --> 00:32:02,085 Sorry, go ahead. 792 00:32:03,765 --> 00:32:07,035 I just wanna live in the side quest in Scott's brain because they're lit. 793 00:32:07,095 --> 00:32:09,075 Well, you, you were like, you were like people. 794 00:32:09,075 --> 00:32:13,155 You forget where they came from and I just imagine like lo going bacon, egg 795 00:32:13,155 --> 00:32:16,755 and cheese and an orange drink, if you know, you know, I'm like, no, Jenny. 796 00:32:16,995 --> 00:32:17,475 Jenny, no. 797 00:32:17,475 --> 00:32:17,535 You 798 00:32:18,015 --> 00:32:18,675 know what? 799 00:32:18,675 --> 00:32:23,050 Like, I just like the memes that could come from your brain are gold. 800 00:32:23,115 --> 00:32:23,335 My, 801 00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:27,040 my brain is primarily ran on animated GIF of Neil Patrick Harris. 802 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,300 It seriously though I had an absolute banger of 803 00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:34,690 a GIF recently, I was in like, my day is just. 804 00:32:34,915 --> 00:32:35,784 Meetings, right. 805 00:32:35,784 --> 00:32:39,294 I just have like Tetris shaped, L-shaped meetings coming down, 806 00:32:39,325 --> 00:32:42,595 coming in, clicking into Outlook, and I just like, my body hurts. 807 00:32:42,595 --> 00:32:45,085 I'm sitting here, I'm doing meetings all the time, so 808 00:32:45,325 --> 00:32:48,655 the only thing I live for anymore is to just nail a gif 809 00:32:49,044 --> 00:32:51,565 perfectly in a meeting and then get a bunch of thumbs up. 810 00:32:51,745 --> 00:32:52,316 I had an. 811 00:32:52,485 --> 00:32:56,775 Absolute banger of a gif recently in a big all hands, and I was 812 00:32:56,775 --> 00:33:00,675 like on a high for like an hour, and then one of my VPs texted me. 813 00:33:01,035 --> 00:33:01,905 Not helpful. 814 00:33:03,705 --> 00:33:04,605 I've had that message. 815 00:33:04,605 --> 00:33:07,365 Okay, but can we just talk though, like the worst is when you 816 00:33:07,365 --> 00:33:11,925 have like the best joke or like reply and then it's like not the 817 00:33:11,925 --> 00:33:15,165 right audience, nobody gets it or they're like not appreciative 818 00:33:15,165 --> 00:33:18,015 or like five people get it and you're like, this is great. 819 00:33:18,235 --> 00:33:18,505 Like, 820 00:33:19,015 --> 00:33:22,225 I don't know how old y'all are, but like my, it's time for me to retire 821 00:33:22,225 --> 00:33:25,675 some of my office space gifts because people have never seen that movie. 822 00:33:25,945 --> 00:33:28,585 No one has any idea my references anymore. 823 00:33:28,585 --> 00:33:31,015 Like I said, recently I was in a meeting and I said, 824 00:33:31,105 --> 00:33:31,915 I've never seen that movie. 825 00:33:32,215 --> 00:33:32,665 Exactly. 826 00:33:32,665 --> 00:33:33,265 That's my point. 827 00:33:33,265 --> 00:33:33,475 Right? 828 00:33:33,475 --> 00:33:34,675 Like I was in a meeting recently, I said, 829 00:33:34,675 --> 00:33:37,405 cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria. 830 00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:38,590 And it was crickets. 831 00:33:38,590 --> 00:33:40,615 And Justin knows exactly what I'm talking about. 832 00:33:40,615 --> 00:33:40,814 Nobody. 833 00:33:40,814 --> 00:33:41,095 Jeez. 834 00:33:41,355 --> 00:33:43,780 And Autumn, I'm assuming you have no idea what that is about. 835 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:45,879 This is what's wrong with Vibe coding. 836 00:33:45,879 --> 00:33:46,534 This is what problem 837 00:33:46,595 --> 00:33:46,814 is. 838 00:33:46,814 --> 00:33:46,816 America. 839 00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,370 All my Glen Garry, Glen Ross gifts have been all retired. 840 00:33:51,370 --> 00:33:53,379 I get coffees for closers. 841 00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:54,060 Autumn. 842 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,335 No idea what that means. 843 00:33:55,355 --> 00:33:55,655 You know 844 00:33:55,655 --> 00:33:55,815 what? 845 00:33:55,820 --> 00:33:58,740 He sent me a shirt that said that and I was so confused. 846 00:33:58,775 --> 00:33:59,055 I did. 847 00:33:59,250 --> 00:34:01,500 I literally mailed her a shirt that said Coffee's for 848 00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:03,180 clothes, and she's like, I don't know what this is. 849 00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:03,215 I wore it 850 00:34:03,215 --> 00:34:05,130 to scale and I was like, I like coffee. 851 00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:09,450 I know I hurt Justin's soul all the time. 852 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:10,560 That's so bad. 853 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,280 The only time 854 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,070 I remember our age gap is when he takes naps 855 00:34:14,070 --> 00:34:16,020 and then his dad jokes in like random movie. 856 00:34:16,415 --> 00:34:17,585 Like sentences. 857 00:34:18,065 --> 00:34:19,625 I'm just happy to hear that I'm not the only one 858 00:34:19,625 --> 00:34:21,904 that gets messages from my VP saying not the right 859 00:34:21,904 --> 00:34:22,685 time, because 860 00:34:23,284 --> 00:34:24,995 that has been a constant in my career. 861 00:34:24,995 --> 00:34:25,895 Absolutely. 862 00:34:26,225 --> 00:34:28,685 It is just, it was such a banger of a gif. 863 00:34:28,685 --> 00:34:29,824 It was just so good. 864 00:34:30,185 --> 00:34:31,715 Before we wrap up, what do you think that 865 00:34:31,715 --> 00:34:34,295 you've learned that what, besides vibe coding? 866 00:34:34,295 --> 00:34:36,875 Besides saying cur curious somewhere and like you've had a very successful 867 00:34:36,875 --> 00:34:39,980 career from the outside, it seems like you've had very successful No, I'm 868 00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:41,585 just saying like what's a, what's a career even? 869 00:34:41,675 --> 00:34:42,154 Like what? 870 00:34:42,154 --> 00:34:44,884 Like it's a compliment that capitalism gives you for. 871 00:34:45,435 --> 00:34:46,335 Moving the stock price. 872 00:34:46,335 --> 00:34:46,605 I don't know. 873 00:34:46,605 --> 00:34:47,745 What is a successful career 874 00:34:48,075 --> 00:34:48,855 bills on auto pay? 875 00:34:48,855 --> 00:34:50,145 Probably for a lot of people. 876 00:34:50,205 --> 00:34:50,595 Yeah. 877 00:34:50,685 --> 00:34:55,785 I mean, winning, winning, winning capitalism is a thing, but like I would, I 878 00:34:55,785 --> 00:34:59,955 would argue that it's about the, you know, I get a couple of emails a week from 879 00:34:59,955 --> 00:35:03,555 people who are like, oh, I read your book in high school and now I'm a dev. 880 00:35:03,555 --> 00:35:06,885 Or, I met you in Pakistan and now we're, I have a little company. 881 00:35:06,885 --> 00:35:08,655 Or like those, those are the things like. 882 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,360 I look up to my aunt, who was a Portland Public School teacher for 40 years, 883 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,200 and she will bump into someone at like Whole Foods and they're like, oh my God, 884 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,165 Mrs. Hanselman, oh, you're my favorite English teacher, and now I'm da da da. 885 00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:21,279 That's the point. 886 00:35:21,279 --> 00:35:22,660 That's a successful career for me. 887 00:35:23,170 --> 00:35:25,509 The, the bills on autopay is a gravy. 888 00:35:26,259 --> 00:35:28,990 Do you think having the bills on autopay allows you 889 00:35:28,990 --> 00:35:32,320 to be more with the spoons to be a hundred percent. 890 00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:32,740 It gives 891 00:35:32,740 --> 00:35:34,480 me two more spoons than anybody else. 892 00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:39,210 That's why the point is, of all this work that I'm doing, and hopefully 893 00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:41,580 the work that you all are doing is to give people more spoons. 894 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:43,800 And if people don't understand what that means, go and 895 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,350 Google for spoon theory and read the Wikipedia page. 896 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,560 You wake up in the morning with a certain number of spoons and the number of 897 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,390 spoons that you have is based on how much you got to go and dig yourself through 898 00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:57,780 the crap that life is gonna throw at you that day, and by the end of the day. 899 00:35:58,380 --> 00:35:59,820 Do you have an, do you have any spoons left? 900 00:35:59,820 --> 00:36:01,860 If you don't have any spoons left, you might snap at your kids. 901 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:03,660 You might not have energy for food. 902 00:36:03,930 --> 00:36:07,080 You might have only energy to just collapse and watch Netflix, and then you 903 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,860 wake up the next day and you try to replenish your spoons and mental health and 904 00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:15,570 your background and all the things in your life can add and take away spoons. 905 00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:16,440 I heard something. 906 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,790 It was a lady and she said that when her and her husband get home, they do 907 00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:23,180 this check-in with like how many spoons and how many percentage you have. 908 00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:24,515 And I thought 50 percentage thing at my house. 909 00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:28,640 That was such a rad way to communicate because how true is that in life? 910 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,980 Like very off, very like rare. 911 00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:33,260 Can you be 50 50 on things, but like. 912 00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:35,990 If you're having a bad day or just anything like being 913 00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:38,270 able to communicate that 'cause it has such to do with 914 00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:41,630 like how you react to things and how you show up in places. 915 00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:43,160 I just think that's so rad to be like, you 916 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,720 know, I don't have a lot of spoons today. 917 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,510 It's nothing that you did, it's just because I ha like, I just think 918 00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:50,270 that's such a rad and emotionally intelligent way to communicate. 919 00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:50,510 That is 920 00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:53,330 exactly what, my wife and I have been married 25 years this year. 921 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:53,750 I think. 922 00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:54,265 That's so cute. 923 00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:55,310 I think y'all are so cute. 924 00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:55,790 Hundred percent. 925 00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:56,660 Thank you very much. 926 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:57,650 We do that. 927 00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:59,210 We like, I'm at about a 30 right now. 928 00:36:59,490 --> 00:37:02,010 I'm 30% like the progress bar, I'm at 30%. 929 00:37:02,010 --> 00:37:02,850 I'm not at a hundred percent. 930 00:37:02,850 --> 00:37:03,990 So like, is this a Windows 931 00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:05,580 Progress bar or like a legit one? 932 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,500 Like No, like you just imagine like it's 933 00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:09,720 the, it's the Windows file copy one, right? 934 00:37:10,350 --> 00:37:13,590 Uh, no, but it's just like, I've got enough spoons to make dinner. 935 00:37:13,590 --> 00:37:14,340 You chill. 936 00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:18,240 You know, like, because we, we, we use this phrase a lot unspoken. 937 00:37:18,545 --> 00:37:20,225 Expectations breed resentment. 938 00:37:20,345 --> 00:37:20,975 They do. 939 00:37:20,975 --> 00:37:25,445 And consideration is one of the biggest ways to show that you 940 00:37:25,445 --> 00:37:28,235 care about somebody else is the consideration and the like. 941 00:37:28,235 --> 00:37:29,705 That level of communicating. 942 00:37:30,065 --> 00:37:32,795 And I think if people even did that in other relationships, 943 00:37:32,795 --> 00:37:34,325 it doesn't even have to just be who you're married to, but 944 00:37:34,325 --> 00:37:37,955 just like having consideration, like that's a part of being 945 00:37:37,955 --> 00:37:40,445 an engineer and working with people that nobody talks about. 946 00:37:40,445 --> 00:37:43,445 Being how you can interact with other people and make their lives 947 00:37:43,445 --> 00:37:47,435 better and work as a team is like so important in how we show up. 948 00:37:48,089 --> 00:37:49,290 To other people in the world. 949 00:37:49,290 --> 00:37:52,950 Like giving back spoons to people is like, you know what I mean? 950 00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:54,660 It's so important how we Right. 951 00:37:54,779 --> 00:37:55,710 Show up with other people. 952 00:37:55,710 --> 00:37:55,890 It's fine. 953 00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:57,180 We'll change the name of the podcast. 954 00:37:57,180 --> 00:37:58,200 It's Spoon Around and find out. 955 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:58,560 It's fine. 956 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,089 We can, uh, Scott, thank you so much for coming on the show and talking to us. 957 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,140 Where should people find you online? 958 00:38:04,290 --> 00:38:07,770 They can just start@hanselman.com if you like podcasts. 959 00:38:07,984 --> 00:38:09,995 And if you're listening to this one, I hope that you do. 960 00:38:10,415 --> 00:38:13,265 I would encourage you to check out my two podcasts I've got going right now. 961 00:38:13,265 --> 00:38:18,035 One is Hansel Minutes, which is coming up on episode 1000 every 962 00:38:18,035 --> 00:38:21,634 Thursday for the last 20 years, and I have a new fresh podcast. 963 00:38:21,634 --> 00:38:23,585 It's a video podcast I would encourage you to check out. 964 00:38:23,585 --> 00:38:26,944 It's called Mark and Scott Learn two and every week, uh, 965 00:38:26,944 --> 00:38:29,705 the CTO of Microsoft Azure and Technical fellow, mark 966 00:38:29,705 --> 00:38:32,765 Russinovich and I learned to do new things this last week. 967 00:38:32,765 --> 00:38:34,835 We learned to do technical reputation. 968 00:38:34,835 --> 00:38:36,515 How do you build your technical reputation? 969 00:38:36,515 --> 00:38:37,654 You can find that on my YouTube. 970 00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:38,940 Ooh, I'm gonna go check that out. 971 00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:41,370 I love that you're still learning new things that like, 'cause 972 00:38:41,370 --> 00:38:44,370 you're, it seems that's, dude, I might go back to TikTok just 973 00:38:44,370 --> 00:38:46,980 for Scottdale something just because you're always like this 974 00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:50,490 week like, look, you got me and Justin with to buy 3D printers. 975 00:38:51,029 --> 00:38:51,779 You know what I mean? 976 00:38:51,779 --> 00:38:55,410 Like, it's just like, I feel like people are like, are you ever gonna retire? 977 00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:56,339 And I'm like, I hope not. 978 00:38:56,339 --> 00:38:58,710 Like I hope I'm building, like I'm maybe not working in the 979 00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:01,710 same, you know how Kelsey talks about how he doesn't like 980 00:39:01,890 --> 00:39:02,162 Kelsey, he didn't retire. 981 00:39:02,167 --> 00:39:03,029 He likes to say he retired. 982 00:39:03,029 --> 00:39:05,339 He's just building, he's just building stuff without a boss. 983 00:39:05,339 --> 00:39:05,669 Yes. 984 00:39:05,669 --> 00:39:06,165 He has no boss. 985 00:39:06,265 --> 00:39:06,484 Yes. 986 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:09,080 And being, having that freedom, like I wanna build 987 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,930 things and do, and learn things for forever, but just 988 00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:14,690 in a way that I can take back my own time and freedom. 989 00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:14,900 Yep. 990 00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:17,300 I have a date January 22nd, 2029. 991 00:39:17,540 --> 00:39:18,260 We'll miss you though. 992 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:18,980 We'll miss you. 993 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:19,670 I'll see you. 994 00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:20,180 I'll 995 00:39:20,180 --> 00:39:20,450 be out 996 00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:20,600 there. 997 00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:21,680 Thank you everyone for listening. 998 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,520 Thank you again, Scott. 999 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,545 And uh, stay curious everyone. 1000 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,250 Thank you for listening to this episode of Fork Around and find out. 1001 00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:44,710 If you like this show, please consider sharing it with 1002 00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:47,920 a friend, a coworker, a family member, or even an enemy. 1003 00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:50,110 However we get the word out about this show 1004 00:39:50,290 --> 00:39:52,540 helps it to become sustainable for the long term. 1005 00:39:52,825 --> 00:39:58,915 If you wanna sponsor this show, please go to fa fo fm slash sponsor and reach 1006 00:39:58,915 --> 00:40:02,215 out to us there about what you're interested in sponsoring and how we can help. 1007 00:40:03,535 --> 00:40:06,715 We hope your systems stay available and your pagers stay quiet. 1008 00:40:07,255 --> 00:40:08,515 We'll see you again next time.