WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:03.150 Shannon Putman: Hey, hello, and welcome once again to 00:00:03.150 --> 00:00:05.479 another Putman's Podcast Pops. 00:00:05.529 --> 00:00:08.710 And are you in for a treat today, everybody? 00:00:09.050 --> 00:00:13.459 I have the glamorous Jeff Roessner from Pico. 00:00:13.470 --> 00:00:15.590 He is the head of education. 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:18.239 We don't go for the low hanging fruit. 00:00:18.249 --> 00:00:20.099 We go straight to the top, ladies and gentlemen. 00:00:20.460 --> 00:00:21.480 So, Jeff, welcome. 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:22.430 How are you today? 00:00:23.230 --> 00:00:23.980 Jeff Roesner: Doing great, Shannon. 00:00:23.980 --> 00:00:24.630 Great to see you. 00:00:24.669 --> 00:00:25.689 Great to spend time with you today. 00:00:26.330 --> 00:00:27.069 Shannon Putman: Thank you so much. 00:00:27.070 --> 00:00:29.890 I know you have to be incredibly busy, so we really appreciate you 00:00:29.890 --> 00:00:33.310 taking the time to come and chat with us and tell us all about. 00:00:33.655 --> 00:00:36.555 Everything exciting that's happening in the world of Pico. 00:00:37.790 --> 00:00:38.680 Jeff Roesner: Thanks for inviting me. 00:00:38.730 --> 00:00:41.169 Anytime I can get a chance to kind of connect with you 00:00:41.180 --> 00:00:42.699 on just learning about what. 00:00:43.330 --> 00:00:44.949 You know, the the word is on the street. 00:00:45.549 --> 00:00:46.969 Happy to have it to jump in. 00:00:47.454 --> 00:00:47.904 Shannon Putman: Yes. 00:00:47.934 --> 00:00:48.564 Well, exciting. 00:00:48.564 --> 00:00:53.004 And you know, Putman's podcast is always tapped into the social pipeline. 00:00:53.004 --> 00:00:53.684 Let me tell you what. 00:00:53.684 --> 00:00:54.654 So you're in a good place. 00:00:56.234 --> 00:00:57.464 Let's just let's kick it off. 00:00:57.464 --> 00:00:59.764 And why don't you just tell me a little bit about you and your 00:00:59.764 --> 00:01:03.844 role at Pico and what excites you about working in virtual reality? 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:04.929 Jeff Roesner: Yeah, of course. 00:01:04.939 --> 00:01:09.979 So, I've been working with Pico for two and a half years and what really captured 00:01:09.979 --> 00:01:13.979 me or captured my interest about Pico is just the XR community in general. 00:01:13.999 --> 00:01:19.349 So I've been a VR enthusiast for several years with just on the gaming side 00:01:19.779 --> 00:01:23.669 and As immersive as those experiences are, I know there could have been, 00:01:23.699 --> 00:01:28.249 I knew there could have been a ton of value for the real world for not 00:01:28.249 --> 00:01:33.179 just education, but also training with across a variety of industries. 00:01:33.869 --> 00:01:37.169 And that's really what kind of captured my interest is the opportunity to 00:01:37.459 --> 00:01:42.449 leverage this technology to improve student outcomes in the education space. 00:01:43.674 --> 00:01:44.544 Shannon Putman: exciting. 00:01:44.694 --> 00:01:45.314 I love that. 00:01:45.324 --> 00:01:47.754 Did you come from an education background or was the whole 00:01:47.774 --> 00:01:49.504 education aspect kind of new for you? 00:01:50.549 --> 00:01:54.509 Jeff Roesner: Yeah, so prior to joining Pico, I served in the education. 00:01:54.839 --> 00:01:57.849 Field for four years doing just ed tech. 00:01:59.299 --> 00:01:59.629 Yeah. 00:01:59.934 --> 00:02:01.594 Shannon Putman: So we've seen some trends come and go. 00:02:02.149 --> 00:02:03.079 Jeff Roesner: Seeing them come and go. 00:02:03.179 --> 00:02:03.459 Yeah. 00:02:03.469 --> 00:02:04.299 A lot of them. 00:02:04.909 --> 00:02:08.389 Shannon Putman: Well, how has Pico actually positioned itself as a leader in 00:02:08.389 --> 00:02:13.059 the VR for education and training market so that it isn't one of those that comes 00:02:13.059 --> 00:02:15.329 and then goes, but that stays with us? 00:02:16.459 --> 00:02:16.729 Jeff Roesner: Yeah. 00:02:16.729 --> 00:02:17.729 That's a really good question. 00:02:17.729 --> 00:02:21.239 I mean, when you're thinking about VR on the technology that we're all using in, 00:02:21.249 --> 00:02:27.569 in the entire industry advancements in, in the capabilities are massive in between. 00:02:27.569 --> 00:02:29.729 So how do you keep a headset that's relevant? 00:02:30.069 --> 00:02:33.639 How do you make sure that it can make sure it has the enough compute power? 00:02:33.989 --> 00:02:39.029 Make sure the experience is as immersive as it needs to be to maintain users 00:02:39.059 --> 00:02:45.389 interest and also the UX design and making sure that the platform itself is user 00:02:45.389 --> 00:02:49.039 friendly, not just for our development partners, but our consulting partners like 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:51.549 yourself and also our end user customers. 00:02:51.549 --> 00:02:56.169 So, like for students or educators, as an example, so one of the things that 00:02:56.169 --> 00:02:58.649 we make it easy for our customers is. 00:02:58.994 --> 00:03:04.444 Having them be able to receive devices by leveraging our partner network. 00:03:04.959 --> 00:03:07.609 All ready to go and like in a white glove format. 00:03:07.609 --> 00:03:14.009 So it'll come with the obviously device controllers, preloaded content, and 00:03:14.009 --> 00:03:18.119 maybe other kind of applications to make sure that device is going to be in the 00:03:18.119 --> 00:03:20.869 most secure place as it possibly can. 00:03:21.359 --> 00:03:23.289 And for readiness in the classroom, 00:03:25.089 --> 00:03:25.699 Shannon Putman: I like that. 00:03:25.749 --> 00:03:28.679 And you mentioned kind of ready to go out of the box. 00:03:28.709 --> 00:03:33.609 And I think that's a feature that a lot of people assume is already 00:03:33.609 --> 00:03:36.329 there with the headsets and yet. 00:03:36.659 --> 00:03:43.929 It's not so one of the ease of uses of why Pico for me stands out is that there's 00:03:43.939 --> 00:03:46.559 nothing to create to use a Pico headset. 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:53.389 So, when I get that Pico headset, right from the box, is there anything else 00:03:53.389 --> 00:03:55.569 that I need to do to create anything? 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:56.629 Jeff Roesner: It's a great question. 00:03:56.629 --> 00:03:58.789 One we get asked off when we get asked a lot. 00:03:59.229 --> 00:04:03.089 So with the Pico headsets, you know, there's, it's not tied to any sort of 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:08.759 account, whether it's a Pico account or a social media account, you don't need to 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:10.419 create an account to use a Pico headset. 00:04:10.419 --> 00:04:14.109 So as soon as you get those headsets, they're ready to go right out of the box. 00:04:15.364 --> 00:04:15.624 Shannon Putman: Okay. 00:04:16.054 --> 00:04:18.284 So now we say you can use it right out of the box. 00:04:18.284 --> 00:04:20.524 Do I need to connect it to an app or anything? 00:04:20.524 --> 00:04:23.814 Or can I just start using it and go by connecting to the internet? 00:04:23.824 --> 00:04:24.194 Like I would 00:04:25.690 --> 00:04:25.950 Jeff Roesner: Yeah. 00:04:25.950 --> 00:04:27.390 I mean, essentially that's what you need to do. 00:04:27.390 --> 00:04:31.980 You don't need to download any app either on your phone, tablet or to the device. 00:04:32.400 --> 00:04:34.730 You can connect it right away to the internet and begin 00:04:34.750 --> 00:04:37.610 either browsing or beginning, enjoying your simulated content. 00:04:38.200 --> 00:04:42.020 You don't have to enter in any other kind of like personal details or 00:04:42.450 --> 00:04:43.820 do any sort of account creation. 00:04:44.915 --> 00:04:47.725 Shannon Putman: I think that's an important feature for listeners to 00:04:47.725 --> 00:04:51.245 understand that there isn't any of that tracking and especially any 00:04:51.245 --> 00:04:55.765 districts now that worry about student and data and security, because that's 00:04:55.765 --> 00:04:58.775 an important thing that we do have to worry about in today's day and age. 00:05:00.320 --> 00:05:00.540 Jeff Roesner: Yeah. 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:02.620 That is a cornerstone of Pico. 00:05:02.620 --> 00:05:03.900 So our devices are. 00:05:04.300 --> 00:05:07.070 I'll say enterprise ready right out of the gate. 00:05:07.290 --> 00:05:08.480 What that really means is. 00:05:08.845 --> 00:05:12.305 Data security and privacy are paramount with our platform. 00:05:12.835 --> 00:05:15.145 We don't collect any personal data at all. 00:05:15.655 --> 00:05:21.035 And that can even go so far as to, we don't collect any payment information. 00:05:21.085 --> 00:05:26.225 So, first and foremost, student data privacy is the utmost importance for Pico. 00:05:27.150 --> 00:05:27.490 Shannon Putman: Nice. 00:05:27.500 --> 00:05:31.110 So, no matter what, when a teacher asked me those, the kids can't hack it 00:05:31.110 --> 00:05:35.150 and get into buy anything or anything, because it's not even possible. 00:05:35.435 --> 00:05:41.015 Jeff Roesner: So PICO from our onset data security and privacy is 00:05:41.015 --> 00:05:43.595 kind of paramount and it kind of the cornerstones to our platform. 00:05:44.355 --> 00:05:48.905 And one of the things that we allow educators or just 00:05:48.905 --> 00:05:49.925 school districts to have. 00:05:50.330 --> 00:05:55.850 At their disposal is either through our native capabilities or through our 00:05:55.910 --> 00:06:00.620 technology partner capabilities is the ability to control the headsets in a way 00:06:00.620 --> 00:06:03.240 where they can see like battery life. 00:06:03.310 --> 00:06:06.410 They can decide which content goes to the headsets. 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:10.370 They can decide what can be seen on the headsets and they just have. 00:06:10.660 --> 00:06:15.710 Total control from the student experience so that it's done in a safe environment. 00:06:17.010 --> 00:06:17.600 Shannon Putman: Perfect. 00:06:17.880 --> 00:06:21.380 So any educators that are listening, that's basically the VR version of 00:06:21.380 --> 00:06:25.260 GoGuardian or any of those type of systems and it gives you that same, 00:06:25.320 --> 00:06:27.380 if not better level of security. 00:06:27.450 --> 00:06:31.890 What I am also excited about with Pico is the current functionality and 00:06:31.960 --> 00:06:37.550 accessibility that you have and features of, particularly the Pico 4 Ultra, 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:39.200 which is one of my favorite headsets. 00:06:39.550 --> 00:06:41.750 Can you kind of just give us a little bit of a rundown of 00:06:41.760 --> 00:06:43.290 why that headset is so amazing? 00:06:43.290 --> 00:06:47.300 Jeff Roesner: Yeah, so the 4Ultra is it's our flagship and 00:06:47.440 --> 00:06:48.630 everyone's really excited about it. 00:06:48.760 --> 00:06:49.800 We're really excited about it. 00:06:49.840 --> 00:06:50.890 You're excited about it. 00:06:50.890 --> 00:06:52.060 Your students are excited about it. 00:06:52.690 --> 00:06:54.440 What separates the 4Ultra? 00:06:54.965 --> 00:06:58.505 As kind of our flagship device is a variety of things. 00:06:58.515 --> 00:07:00.295 One, it's a lightweight design. 00:07:00.705 --> 00:07:04.615 It's a quarter of a pound lighter than the neo three pro. 00:07:05.135 --> 00:07:09.785 And a lot of that is due to the new lens technology that we're using our 00:07:09.785 --> 00:07:12.265 own in house generated pancake lenses. 00:07:12.765 --> 00:07:16.025 And it also leads to a much slimmer form factor of a headset. 00:07:16.025 --> 00:07:20.125 So it's easier to wear It's more approachable. 00:07:20.375 --> 00:07:22.205 It's very comfortable for that reason. 00:07:22.745 --> 00:07:26.205 Our headsets also have the battery on the rear of the headstrap for a 00:07:26.205 --> 00:07:28.535 more balanced weight for those users. 00:07:29.045 --> 00:07:32.685 And with the Portal 2 in particular, it's our first purpose 00:07:32.725 --> 00:07:34.605 built mixed reality headset. 00:07:35.145 --> 00:07:41.375 So it's an amazing VR headset with a 4k resolution for the VR optics, but on the 00:07:41.385 --> 00:07:46.625 pass through, so we can see your physical environment, the clarity is unmatched 00:07:46.645 --> 00:07:47.845 and it's the best we've ever had. 00:07:48.220 --> 00:07:51.810 And it makes great for a great use for like mixed reality applications 00:07:51.810 --> 00:07:56.510 where you want to kind of weave in the virtual world into the physical world 00:07:56.880 --> 00:07:59.200 and intermingle those two together. 00:07:59.500 --> 00:08:00.470 And students love it. 00:08:01.020 --> 00:08:01.850 Educators love it. 00:08:02.020 --> 00:08:04.830 It's really one that we've been able to knock out of the park. 00:08:05.060 --> 00:08:05.730 It's been a success. 00:08:06.975 --> 00:08:08.935 Shannon Putman: so you and I, in the industry, we throw around 00:08:08.935 --> 00:08:12.515 terms like mixed reality, you know, extended reality all the time. 00:08:12.515 --> 00:08:17.485 But in education, in particular, we're still so new into the journey that 00:08:17.515 --> 00:08:22.925 virtual reality is kind of the 1st step and then as we expand and develop out 00:08:22.945 --> 00:08:27.895 into mixed reality, what are you kind of getting for a feedback for how that's? 00:08:28.410 --> 00:08:31.270 Making for a smoother transition to the headset. 00:08:32.895 --> 00:08:33.115 Jeff Roesner: Yeah. 00:08:33.115 --> 00:08:36.165 You know, mixed reality is a newer kind of form factor. 00:08:36.175 --> 00:08:38.065 It's only been out for about 18 months or so. 00:08:38.635 --> 00:08:43.855 And VR it allows the users to really experience what an immersive 00:08:43.855 --> 00:08:47.785 environment looks like before they get into like a mixed environment. 00:08:47.825 --> 00:08:49.195 And it really depends on. 00:08:49.515 --> 00:08:53.105 What type of mixed or sorry mixed reality environment you want to look for and 00:08:53.105 --> 00:08:56.365 there's still a lot of applications that are being developed for it, not 00:08:56.365 --> 00:09:01.675 as built out as all this VR curriculum content and also reward content for VR. 00:09:02.295 --> 00:09:05.815 But what I think what I like about mixed reality for education and what 00:09:05.815 --> 00:09:07.535 are what educators like in students. 00:09:09.255 --> 00:09:14.335 At any moment, if you need to get this sense of like space outside of 00:09:14.335 --> 00:09:17.615 the immersive world, you can either do a quick double tap on the side of 00:09:17.615 --> 00:09:21.615 the headset or click the immersive view button and the physical world 00:09:21.615 --> 00:09:22.955 will immediately come into view. 00:09:23.425 --> 00:09:27.955 So now you can see your, you can see your classroom from an educator's perspective, 00:09:28.425 --> 00:09:31.755 from the student, you can, they can see their desk, they understand where 00:09:31.805 --> 00:09:33.475 their hands are, where their body is. 00:09:34.335 --> 00:09:38.345 And I think most importantly for education, if a student is working 00:09:38.345 --> 00:09:43.340 on a problem in VR, And they might have a question for the teacher. 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.760 You don't need to take the headset off to engage with the teacher. 00:09:48.130 --> 00:09:51.320 Again, they can just double tap on the headset, and they can speak 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.950 with the teacher with the headset still on, get that feedback. 00:09:55.590 --> 00:09:58.920 Once they have the problem sorted out, they can get right back into the headset. 00:09:59.170 --> 00:10:00.780 And continue on with learning. 00:10:00.830 --> 00:10:04.180 Being able to go back and forth between the two worlds is comforting 00:10:04.190 --> 00:10:09.452 for a lot of users knowing that if if it gets a little intense, they 00:10:09.452 --> 00:10:11.752 can always go out for a breather. 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:16.279 Shannon Putman: So when I first started with VR, the first thing that got me into 00:10:16.319 --> 00:10:20.409 being hooked, as I like to say, in VR was my student with autism, who his family 00:10:20.409 --> 00:10:21.729 had never been out to dinner before. 00:10:21.729 --> 00:10:24.099 It was too overwhelming, just too much for him. 00:10:24.339 --> 00:10:29.199 So I filmed in 360 and we worked every day in the classroom with that headset and 00:10:29.209 --> 00:10:31.049 he'd have to make it 60 seconds longer. 00:10:31.139 --> 00:10:34.199 And when he would get upset, he could just take the headset off and he would be. 00:10:34.359 --> 00:10:38.709 instantly back in a safe place and just going from where that started 00:10:38.709 --> 00:10:41.889 to now where he wouldn't even have to take that headset off to be back 00:10:41.889 --> 00:10:46.209 in his safe place is kind of, is phenomenal advancement in the technology 00:10:47.090 --> 00:10:47.280 Jeff Roesner: Yeah. 00:10:47.280 --> 00:10:50.820 I mean, it's an important thing to call out or an experience to call out because 00:10:51.400 --> 00:10:55.330 if they don't have, if they don't feel, if they don't feel safe in their space 00:10:55.900 --> 00:11:00.640 that could lead to just sensory maybe some sensory challenges that they might 00:11:00.640 --> 00:11:01.930 have, but it's really good to hear that. 00:11:02.425 --> 00:11:07.415 Just being able to do the double tap into that full color pass through mode, brings 00:11:07.415 --> 00:11:09.275 that sense of calm when they need it most. 00:11:10.260 --> 00:11:13.370 Shannon Putman: And accessibility as well, because I work with the deaf. 00:11:13.430 --> 00:11:19.780 population a lot and the ability to see their interpreter in real time 00:11:19.790 --> 00:11:24.030 and not have to take the headset off is an area that I think a lot 00:11:24.030 --> 00:11:27.700 of people are not thinking of, but it's so critically important. 00:11:27.970 --> 00:11:33.560 And that accessibility feature now allows a whole new population to be able to use 00:11:33.560 --> 00:11:35.230 the headset, just like everybody else. 00:11:35.885 --> 00:11:39.545 Jeff Roesner: And that's a great way to think about maybe a mixed 00:11:39.545 --> 00:11:40.985 reality application, right? 00:11:40.985 --> 00:11:44.955 So if it's a vision impaired user or a, or maybe a hearing impaired 00:11:44.955 --> 00:11:48.105 user, they can go into mixed reality. 00:11:48.105 --> 00:11:49.965 They can see their interpreter on the other side. 00:11:50.445 --> 00:11:56.355 They can complete an exercise and in the physical space, a virtual element 00:11:56.355 --> 00:12:00.665 will pop up and they can continue their education in that capacity as well. 00:12:01.439 --> 00:12:03.969 Shannon Putman: So what industries are you seeing that are actually 00:12:03.989 --> 00:12:07.649 taking hold and adopting Pico VR for, you know, whether it's workforce 00:12:07.649 --> 00:12:09.709 development or even education. 00:12:10.059 --> 00:12:12.799 Jeff Roesner: Yeah, you know, we're seeing a lot of industries adopt VR 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:14.599 in general for corporate training. 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:18.459 A lot of soft skills applications to improve experiences with 00:12:18.469 --> 00:12:19.709 like customer facing rules. 00:12:20.169 --> 00:12:23.109 Education is actually our largest growth vertical. 00:12:23.589 --> 00:12:27.439 And I think that is because of just all the advancements that we're seeing in the. 00:12:27.794 --> 00:12:32.004 Testing scores and learning outcomes, but also it's a new pedagogy. 00:12:32.294 --> 00:12:35.064 Students are really excited to learn in VR. 00:12:35.064 --> 00:12:39.734 They're familiar with VR because as I mentioned earlier in the podcast, I got 00:12:39.734 --> 00:12:43.434 started in VR on the gaming side, which a lot of students are already familiar with. 00:12:44.024 --> 00:12:47.264 So when they hear about VR in the classroom, they automatically get excited. 00:12:47.594 --> 00:12:49.124 What they don't know is that. 00:12:49.624 --> 00:12:52.174 They will have improved learning outcomes just because of 00:12:52.174 --> 00:12:54.064 that unique engagement style. 00:12:54.554 --> 00:12:59.764 And it really depends on how the educator decides to use the VR in the classroom. 00:12:59.764 --> 00:13:04.314 There's a lot of different ways to deliver the content and deliver the the testing. 00:13:04.344 --> 00:13:05.004 Apparatus. 00:13:06.244 --> 00:13:12.464 What we hear from all districts is we want more and we want we want more 00:13:12.464 --> 00:13:16.694 content, we want more students enrolled because they're seeing just really 00:13:16.904 --> 00:13:18.624 positive gains across the district. 00:13:20.060 --> 00:13:22.580 Shannon Putman: If an educator or, you know, an organization 00:13:22.580 --> 00:13:26.210 is considering investing in VR, what advice would you give them? 00:13:28.385 --> 00:13:29.835 Jeff Roesner: there's a few different ways to invest, right? 00:13:29.835 --> 00:13:31.065 You have to invest your time. 00:13:32.325 --> 00:13:36.775 Do we have the resources to deploy this technology in our classroom or 00:13:36.785 --> 00:13:40.235 the district, but there's also the, there's the financial component, right? 00:13:40.645 --> 00:13:42.275 So there are a lot of grants that. 00:13:42.655 --> 00:13:47.265 Districts can leverage to bring VR into the classroom when you stem 00:13:47.265 --> 00:13:51.455 focus grants title one grants, maybe steam grants as well. 00:13:52.085 --> 00:13:55.495 I would encourage them to look at all the possible grants 00:13:55.495 --> 00:13:57.485 that are available to them to. 00:13:57.865 --> 00:14:02.305 Bring newer technologies into the classroom so that they can kind of can 00:14:02.305 --> 00:14:04.195 access and kind of start their own pilot. 00:14:04.745 --> 00:14:09.515 Pico has a trusted network of partners to help source the right hardware. 00:14:10.225 --> 00:14:14.450 Also make sure that when the hardware is received, it's exactly how you want it. 00:14:14.950 --> 00:14:19.070 It's customized to exactly how you want it, whether it's content, whether 00:14:19.070 --> 00:14:22.894 it's even at the kind of the boring operational level, asset tagging, right? 00:14:23.784 --> 00:14:27.364 A district might share headsets with other either classrooms or schools. 00:14:27.794 --> 00:14:30.974 You need to be able to track the physical headsets as well. 00:14:30.994 --> 00:14:34.814 So there's a lot of ways they can be tailored to each district. 00:14:35.804 --> 00:14:38.754 Shannon Putman: And shameless plug, if you know, connect with somebody like Putman 00:14:38.754 --> 00:14:42.184 XR Consulting, they can guide you on that process which is critically important. 00:14:42.184 --> 00:14:45.434 So one of the things that happened with Google expeditions was, 00:14:45.434 --> 00:14:48.544 you know, it brought VR into the classroom, which was fantastic. 00:14:48.674 --> 00:14:53.434 However, it kind of set up this false narrative that educators 00:14:53.434 --> 00:14:56.614 had to have all students on it in headsets all at the same time. 00:14:56.984 --> 00:15:00.384 And I think part of the reason for that is because they were just. 00:15:01.479 --> 00:15:02.999 Sit and observe. 00:15:02.999 --> 00:15:04.339 There was no interactivity. 00:15:04.629 --> 00:15:06.369 It was just sit and observe a field trip. 00:15:06.389 --> 00:15:09.979 So you didn't have to worry about students being up or moving or using 00:15:09.979 --> 00:15:11.939 a controller or anything like that. 00:15:12.299 --> 00:15:16.049 So it was a lot easier to have 30 students just sitting and watching something. 00:15:16.359 --> 00:15:19.409 But now that everything is so much more interactive, I hear a lot of 00:15:19.409 --> 00:15:22.129 schools say, well, if I can't get a whole class set, because of the 00:15:22.129 --> 00:15:23.989 budget, you know, should I even start? 00:15:25.549 --> 00:15:29.519 how do you see that education institutions, maybe they can't get 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:31.169 a full class set to begin with? 00:15:31.489 --> 00:15:35.159 Are they still able to use a couple of headsets and get started in 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:36.669 the process of integrating VR? 00:15:37.624 --> 00:15:37.954 Jeff Roesner: Yeah. 00:15:37.954 --> 00:15:39.204 I mean, that's a great question. 00:15:39.224 --> 00:15:39.624 And you're right. 00:15:39.654 --> 00:15:40.624 Like Google expeditions. 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:47.049 Awesome for the time, you know, but now we have next generation like 00:15:47.059 --> 00:15:50.519 headsets, technology, much more immersive environments that allow 00:15:51.079 --> 00:15:52.559 six degrees of freedom of movement. 00:15:52.589 --> 00:15:56.979 You know, it can be a lot to get all the students in the 00:15:56.979 --> 00:15:58.759 classroom get going at once. 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:00.519 So, yeah, it really depends on. 00:16:00.999 --> 00:16:06.369 Kind of how the classroom or how the school wants to introduce VR, you 00:16:06.369 --> 00:16:08.289 know, it's okay to take baby steps. 00:16:08.489 --> 00:16:10.999 It's okay to just let's get one or two in the classroom. 00:16:11.409 --> 00:16:12.509 Let's see how it works. 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:16.759 Let's make sure that it's everyone is responding really well to it. 00:16:17.129 --> 00:16:19.189 What we don't want to do is overwhelm 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:25.949 an entire classroom or a group of educators right up the offset, and if it 00:16:25.949 --> 00:16:31.879 means kind of step taking baby steps into what may eventually lead to a full class 00:16:31.889 --> 00:16:34.289 set, I think that's the best approach. 00:16:34.329 --> 00:16:38.639 I mean, there's no reason to rush into something if you don't have to. 00:16:39.205 --> 00:16:39.865 Shannon Putman: Absolutely. 00:16:39.915 --> 00:16:43.859 I had been saying, you know, In five years, we're going to 00:16:43.859 --> 00:16:45.789 see VR headsets in schools. 00:16:45.839 --> 00:16:47.029 Like we have Chromebooks now. 00:16:47.059 --> 00:16:49.819 And I think it's the same kind of thing, you know, you have to learn 00:16:49.819 --> 00:16:51.559 the skills needed to manage it. 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:55.359 And then also, I think when you do it that way, it sets up nice opportunities 00:16:55.379 --> 00:16:59.119 for students to become leaders because let's face it, they know technology, 00:16:59.119 --> 00:17:02.889 they've been raised with it, you know, they're usually better at it than us. 00:17:02.889 --> 00:17:04.689 So the more opportunities we can have. 00:17:05.169 --> 00:17:09.029 For them to be leaders and take ownership of that technology. 00:17:09.239 --> 00:17:12.189 I think the greater investment we can get from those students as well. 00:17:14.299 --> 00:17:18.679 so of course people can reach out to Putman XR consulting and find 00:17:18.679 --> 00:17:22.839 out all the best information about Pico and VR and everything else. 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:26.119 But is there any other place that you would recommend they check out? 00:17:26.284 --> 00:17:29.474 To learn more about Pico and what Pico is doing in education and 00:17:29.474 --> 00:17:30.894 anything that we can direct them to. 00:17:32.389 --> 00:17:32.989 Jeff Roesner: Yeah, of course. 00:17:32.999 --> 00:17:38.839 So you can always feel free to visit the Pico XR LinkedIn page to get the most up 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:42.999 to date information on Pico, what projects we're working on and what use cases. 00:17:43.369 --> 00:17:47.959 You can also visit the Pico XR website if you want to learn some 00:17:47.959 --> 00:17:52.469 more about use cases and also kind of explore some of the like education 00:17:52.469 --> 00:17:56.279 content or in general content that is available in the business store. 00:17:56.889 --> 00:18:01.204 But you know, Staying plugged in with folks like yourself, Shannon and 00:18:01.204 --> 00:18:05.404 Putman XR consulting and following, you know, your your LinkedIn page. 00:18:05.704 --> 00:18:06.704 It's very informative. 00:18:07.154 --> 00:18:08.474 You're timely with updates. 00:18:08.474 --> 00:18:12.184 You're timely with everything that, that you have going on, which is a lot. 00:18:12.294 --> 00:18:17.894 And I think, well, you know, from my own sincere gratitude to you for. 00:18:18.994 --> 00:18:23.294 Being that voice, being that advocate in VR for education, especially in your 00:18:23.294 --> 00:18:27.304 own community of Kentucky, but for all the districts that are interested in 00:18:27.304 --> 00:18:31.994 VR districts that don't really know where to go or how to approach it. 00:18:32.614 --> 00:18:36.974 You've been really able to kind of break it down to them and like bite size 00:18:37.064 --> 00:18:40.034 amount or bite size pieces for them to. 00:18:41.484 --> 00:18:46.694 Understand it and be comfortable with kind of taking that leap into 00:18:46.984 --> 00:18:48.124 an immersive learning environment. 00:18:49.294 --> 00:18:50.084 Thank you for that, Shannon. 00:18:50.464 --> 00:18:51.234 Shannon Putman: Well, thank you. 00:18:51.274 --> 00:18:55.014 That was very kind of you, especially the LinkedIn, because that's like the 00:18:55.024 --> 00:18:59.654 grown up social media and it's not always like, you know, at the end of a long 00:18:59.664 --> 00:19:01.134 day, you're not like, Oh my goodness. 00:19:01.144 --> 00:19:04.514 So I know I'm not good with my LinkedIn, but I've been making a concerted 00:19:04.534 --> 00:19:06.794 efforts to be more active on there. 00:19:06.794 --> 00:19:07.934 So appreciate that. 00:19:09.489 --> 00:19:13.059 But yeah I can't thank you enough for coming on and chatting with me and being 00:19:13.059 --> 00:19:15.909 willing, and I didn't say anything in the beginning cause I didn't want to 00:19:15.909 --> 00:19:19.139 make you even more nervous, but I do believe this was your first podcast. 00:19:19.149 --> 00:19:20.309 If I am correct and 00:19:20.514 --> 00:19:21.534 Jeff Roesner: it's my first podcast. 00:19:21.574 --> 00:19:21.834 Yeah. 00:19:22.549 --> 00:19:23.609 Shannon Putman: you did amazing. 00:19:23.619 --> 00:19:23.759 Yay. 00:19:24.139 --> 00:19:25.259 We're so proud of you. 00:19:25.619 --> 00:19:26.789 Absolutely. 00:19:27.059 --> 00:19:29.169 You should be very proud and an expert now.