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You are listening to the USDN on the

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DFPN.

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Thanks for watching!

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Man, had I known,

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I would have had my Darth Vader mask

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on ready for that.

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That was very rad.

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I appreciate it.

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I appreciate it.

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But what is up, everybody?

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And welcome to the United States

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Department of Nerds,

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where we are for the people,

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by the people, and of the people.

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Some stories are meant to entertain.

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Some are meant to disturb.

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And some...

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Well,

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they are meant to stay with you long

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after the lights go out.

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And tonight we open up the first chapter

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of a six part descent,

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now seven part actually,

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descent into horror.

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An anthology built by creators who don't

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just love comics, they live them.

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From punk rock roots to printed pages,

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this is where AHA begins.

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Tonight we kick off something special.

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a six-part anthology spotlight series

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centered around AHA.

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Simply put, a horror anthology.

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Currently on Kickstarter here very soon,

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actually.

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And joining us to launch it all,

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Chris Dahl, Chris Mendoza of CHK Comics.

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You may know him as the Lone Box

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Punk and Punk Rock Chris.

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That's how I know them.

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That's how I followed them for probably

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almost two years now.

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So, ladies and gentlemen,

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the Council of Nerds is now in session.

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Chris and Chris,

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welcome to the USDN finally.

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Here we are.

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Thank you.

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We made it, man.

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Thanks for having us.

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Yeah.

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This is awesome for me.

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As I told you before the show, man,

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y'all were two of the guys I looked

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at when I went down the indie comic

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route to see how y'all were doing it,

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how y'all were conducting business as,

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like,

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That's who I want to be like right

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there when it comes to this.

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And then maybe just crank it up to

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just a little bit more.

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Just a little bit more.

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And that's how we find ourselves here

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today.

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Our mutual friend with Duke Electric.

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You may know him as the man with

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the pink suit known as the most handsome

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man in the world.

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If you ever looked upon his face,

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your head would explode.

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And he says it's not a true story

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about him, but we all know.

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We all know.

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We all know.

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That's why I only look at him through

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a screen.

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You have to be safe.

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Safety first, really.

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But let's start at the beginning, fellas.

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So every project like this has a moment

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where it stops being an idea and it

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becomes real.

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Where did AHA come from?

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so it kind of started as a throwaway

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comment being a hundred percent honest i

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so i do almost weekly live streams on

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my sub stack at long box punk there

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um and i we had k and i

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had submitted to a handful of different

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anthologies

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And I had submitted to a couple on

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my own and it was just not working

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out.

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And I was like, man, we're DIY.

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Like, am I clear to cuss?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just don't string a whole bunch of it

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together to where I can potentially make

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money off of this.

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Perfect.

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I was like, dude, fuck it.

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Like, let's just do our own.

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Like, we should just do our own anthology.

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And I just kept going and kept talking

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about whatever I was talking about at the

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time.

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And I ended my live stream and I

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looked at my phone and I had a

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text from Kay and it said...

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uh bro we should absolutely do our own

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anthology i was actually going to talk to

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you about that um what are we waiting

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for let's go and i was like sure

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yeah okay uh i guess we're doing it

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it's not your first time making your own

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comic you've had one other before this

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right yes yeah yeah

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Yeah,

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we successfully kick-started the ash can

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of our comic called Barricade Brigade last

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year, which he's going to show off.

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I like it.

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It's got that Rick and Morty feel to

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it.

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I like it.

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So we like we're familiar with creating

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together.

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We've been creating now for almost two

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years, almost two years.

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So I'm glad he remembers dates.

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I'm the typical guy.

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I don't remember anything.

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He's the lovely last that remembers all

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the dates for me.

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I'm just good with numbers.

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What's up, dude?

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Thanks for tuning in.

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Do y'all know Kev?

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I don't.

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Kev will be on the show, I think,

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in May.

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Okay.

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I think it's May.

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Yes.

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Either April or May.

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I can't remember which,

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but great dude over there doing his own

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thing with his own comics.

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He's got a podcast himself.

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As we all do.

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But yeah,

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we were familiar with like making comics

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and creating stories together.

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And so it was just a matter of,

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well, what do we, like,

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where do we go from here now that

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we have the idea?

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I have it in my face.

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Apologies, Kev,

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because we're already connected though,

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because I just like to support as many

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indie creators as I can.

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Same.

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so that's kind of where aha came from

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uh i'm gonna tag you in you need

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to talk more how could i do more

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when you took the floor like instantly

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that's okay i'll let y'all find it out

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later we love our squirrels man love our

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squirrels exactly so the the the the great

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thing here is april there we go he

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made he made uh

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that comment, I had already started like,

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I need to take all these short horror

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stories and put them together in an

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anthology,

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and it's just mine with a storyteller.

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So I already had a storyteller.

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So we've got this fucked up marionette

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that looks like Mr.

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Rogers that carries around giant scissors.

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And he is your storyteller.

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He is introducing these people.

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And...

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I was like,

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I'm never going to have time to do

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this and all these other stories I want

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to do.

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So let's just use them.

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And that was literally where I was at

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the same day he made that comment.

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Yeah.

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I like it.

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Puppet master vibes.

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Yeah.

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Which if we believe rumors,

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we may potentially get a new puppet

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master.

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I mean, tis the year of nostalgia.

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So it really is.

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I mean, shit.

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If we're getting a Sonic four.

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Yep.

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We're getting Street Fighter.

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Mortal Kombat II.

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Give me Puppet Master, man.

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Why not?

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Might as well.

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And we appreciate you, Kev.

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Thanks for following along.

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We're trying.

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We're shooting for a hundred pre-follows.

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How's it looking right now?

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We're at ninety the last I looked.

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That was the last I saw you.

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We're going to hit a hundred this weekend.

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We're hitting a hundred this weekend.

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So...

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Hitting one hundred.

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I like the optimism you guys have.

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You're bringing me up.

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You got to.

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You got to.

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And I'm a huge horror anthology guy.

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There's nothing better than a good

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anthology.

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You're getting the most bang for your

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buck.

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And if it's horror related, cool.

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That's one of my favorite seasons is

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October, September, October,

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when all the good horror anthologies come

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out from everybody at the local comic

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shop.

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Yeah.

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I'm like, here's my money.

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Just take it.

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My LCS knows this.

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They're like, hey, this new horror.

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I'm like, okay, cool.

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I haven't even told you what it is

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yet.

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I'm like, yeah, I know.

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It's horror though.

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Just put it in my box.

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You had me at horror.

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I don't care who it's from,

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who's publishing, who's writing.

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Exactly.

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It's one of those where

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me and Francisco,

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we did our big horror book thing last

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year during Halloween.

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And we were, we were both,

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we were both like,

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we really connected over the deviant.

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And it's just such a good story.

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And then the followup with hall,

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what was it?

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Hall three.

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Yeah.

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Or late last year.

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Yeah.

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It was just so good.

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The one shot they did.

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Yeah.

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It was like a pre meant to be

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a prequel, I think to the deviant,

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but it was just so good.

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yeah the whole story the whole story is

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so good on its own is just like

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holy crap i can't believe that a um

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a story this like deep and twisted and

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layered exists at in a comic book

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Like, yeah,

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like on the shelf next to next to

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Daredevil TV.

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It's like it really does, because I mean,

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most LCS has put them out in alphabetical

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order on, you know, new comic book day.

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I know what he's doing.

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Yep.

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But, like, to be fair,

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Tinian makes incredible horror.

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He's cashing big checks right now,

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that's for sure.

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Something is killing the children,

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just getting picked up for live action.

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Exquisite Corpses, I think,

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got picked up for an animated series.

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And he's got one more, I think,

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that just got picked up as well.

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So I'm like,

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this dude's cashing all kinds of checks

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right now.

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Yeah.

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And since he got away from writing

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superheroes and he went more independent

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with working with, you know,

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boom studios and dark,

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dark horse and image,

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like his storytelling has just been

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elevated.

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If you just tell him to write what

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he wants to write,

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you're going to get a magnificent piece of

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work every single time.

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Yeah.

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And with the, um,

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I think it was last year that he

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announced, uh,

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that uh his tiny here we go i

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told you we're getting to a hundred yeah

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love it um i feel like it was

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last year that he said tiny onion studios

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was expanding into tv and into movies and

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into

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other alternative media so like who knows

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what the dude's planning outside of just

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and the dude's our age like he's still

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he's still a younger dude I think actually

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me actually he might be a little the

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same age as us because I'm in my

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mid-forties so

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They're kick-starting the card game,

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Exquisite Corpses, next.

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Well,

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how they're actually writing the comic

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book is through the card game.

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They're literally playing the card game to

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determine which killer dies next.

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Yes.

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That's literally how they've been writing

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this story.

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That's how it started.

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What?

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But now we can play.

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But yeah,

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I just seen that he was getting ready

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to kick that off.

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Think about this, though.

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Mark Spears...

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His Monster series started off as a card

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game on Kickstarter.

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He kickstarted issue one of Mark Spears'

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Monsters.

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Kickstarted it.

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Dude, it's insane.

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Then the Keen Spot picked it up.

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They were like, this dude made how much?

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And they were like...

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Hey, Mark, we made a mistake, man.

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Can we get in on that?

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We'll produce it.

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We'll take care of everything, man.

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And ever since then,

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that book has been blowing up.

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The winter bads, the poly bads,

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the Halloween poly bads.

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I'm a huge fan of Mark Spears' work,

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especially his villains.

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He doesn't do heroes well.

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You can tell what he likes.

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Heroes aren't one of them.

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Although his Holy Trinity he did for

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Absolute Batman, Wonder Woman,

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and Superman.

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Beautiful connecting covers.

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Beautiful.

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I feel like he is the Alex Ross

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for monsters.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I'm here for it.

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Give me all of it, please.

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I probably have two short bosses of just

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his monster stuff.

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His villains.

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Just his work.

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Just Mark Spears.

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It's so good, man.

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It really is.

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So we've established that this was

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something that y'all had kind of wanted to

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do for a while.

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Now,

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was it always going to be horror or

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was there a possibility of maybe like,

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hey, let me sprinkle in some sci-fi or...

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just like we're straight horror villains

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and that's what we're doing.

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And I love that.

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At least for our first go.

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Yeah.

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That, that's,

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that's honestly part of what brought us

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together.

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So it had, it had to.

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yeah when we after that initial like bro

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we should do an anthology text it very

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quickly was like so we're doing horror

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right like that's that's what we're gonna

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do and yeah duh and so yeah

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but instead of there's some anthologies

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that are very specific right like that

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they follow a theme yeah like i just

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saw one on kickstarter that's all about

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teeth which i think is fascinating um and

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that reminds me too much of that one

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movie with the girl and the teeth oh

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my god

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great movie great movie it's a fun watch

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but one time damn yeah i don't need

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to watch that twice um especially high

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school me doesn't need to watch that but

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it's like fumbled enough at the time right

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as we all did

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yeah i don't need to be worried about

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that as well exactly it it we were

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like why don't we just do horror and

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instead of doing like let's do horror of

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this specific subject like just do body

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horror just do schlock gore fest whatever

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like

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we were we it very quickly became

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prevalent of let's feature new creators

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and instead of limiting them let's shine a

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light on whatever story they want to tell

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in the horror genre so it can be

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like we ended up with

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eight stories that are all sorts of

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different genres of horror.

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Yeah.

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They're all horror, but we like,

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as the editors were very much,

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we're not like telling anybody to rein it

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in instead.

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We're more so telling them like,

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what if you push it this, like,

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give me five percent more.

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Like, yes,

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it's cool that you're doing this thing,

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but like, what if you did it?

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Just a little bit more.

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There's an adequate amount of blood in

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that panel,

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but maybe we can do the whole panel

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as blood.

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I could take a couple extra gallons of

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blood, like just really lean into it.

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Don't hold back.

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And so that's what like editing the

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anthology has been.

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been like for us is it's very much

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just us encouraging the creators to lean

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in as hard as possible yeah to just

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get as weird as dark as like ominous

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as just messed up and twisted and like

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that's what we're doing yeah so instead of

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c-seventeen and comic book

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That's right.

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TV, MA, parental advisory stickers,

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all the things.

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Gotta polybag it.

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Yeah.

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Cover the cover of it with just like

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a giant warning label.

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The covers are so cool.

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They really are.

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And then the stickers themselves are

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really cool.

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I was like,

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when you said the cover is over,

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I was like.

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Dude, those were all the artists.

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We literally were just like, have fun.

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Yes.

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Go, go, go.

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Also do a corner box.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Make a corner box and also make a

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cover that is just horror.

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When you open up this anthology,

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will it be like the cover for that

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story, and then you read the story,

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and then there'll be a cover for the

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next story?

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Not like a traditional cover,

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but like a cover for the story.

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Yeah, like a title page.

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There are some stories where people have

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put a title block into that first page,

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but really our storyteller, Roger,

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I got super creative with that name.

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He is the type...

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That storyteller portion is introducing

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the creators and the story name.

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Tells from the cryptish,

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the cryptkeeper type of...

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I always love those types.

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Those types are just so fun.

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And the fact that he's a marionette is

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just...

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They're fucking creepy to begin with,

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you know?

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I'm still working on his panels,

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and I'm literally about to draw him,

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and I've thought about this.

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You're going to love this,

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so this is breaking news exclusive.

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There we go.

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So he's cut his strings.

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That's where he got the scissors.

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He's cutting his strings.

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He, at one point,

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ends up fed up with the partygoers,

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and we were going to say he digs

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out his hair.

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I told Chris, but his hair's wood.

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But he can pull those strings out and

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take out giant chunks of wood while he

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pulls those.

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So that's what that panel is going to

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end up being.

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I like it.

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I like just weird shit like that.

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It shouldn't make sense,

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but it's a comic book.

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It makes perfect sense.

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That's what's great about it, right?

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Yep.

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Let's talk about y'all real quick.

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You both describe yourself as agent punks

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making comics because you love comics.

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Dude.

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I love it.

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Like I said,

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I've been following both of you for some

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time now and

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I always enjoy it when I can catch

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the shows or I come across it in

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my feed or something.

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I'm like, hey,

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let me see what he was up to.

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For me, it's fun.

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I've enjoyed doing it.

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Like I said,

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you were one of those guys where I

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was like,

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who all is doing this that I'm looking

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down this road?

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You were the main one.

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I'm like, oh,

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we could have a niche all to ourselves,

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basically.

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When you look at it, I'm like,

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we do have a niche almost to ourselves.

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Yeah.

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And we have pop-ups sometimes, you know,

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the guys like,

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and I love to see them.

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I really do.

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Yeah.

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Cause it's the guys that pop up like,

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Hey, I'm starting a podcast.

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You're going to come on, you know,

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all indie creators, man, y'all come on.

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I'm like, hey man, cool.

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The niche definitely could use one or two

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more bodies to spread the love around

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because your boys are tired over here.

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Love it.

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Love it.

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There's so much we can do.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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I mean,

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if I could do this every single day,

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I would do it every single day,

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but man, it's hard.

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I've already lost all the color in my

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hair.

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Yeah.

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I have this one.

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Yeah.

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I remember when this was actually black

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too.

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Mine was red at one time.

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Mine was red.

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So I used to have this glorious red

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beard.

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I never got to enjoy it,

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but I had it.

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Yeah.

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We get the pop-ups, man.

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I always enjoy seeing them pop up and

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then they're gone.

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I'm like, what happened to that one guy?

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Dude, it takes so much...

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dogheadedness stubbornness stubborn

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stubborn I'm I'm for punishment that part

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that well that's indie comics in general

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yes and everything we're all type A's you

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know we're all just like yeah

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I like that, but hey,

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what if you did it like that?

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If I was doing that,

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I wouldn't tell you how to do it,

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but if I was doing that...

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Two days ago when I was talking to

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Donald, I was like, dude,

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I don't like the way this comic book

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ended.

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He's like, where did you get to it?

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I was like, I got it right here.

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He's like, oh, dude,

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there's two more pages.

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He's like, the folder just didn't update.

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You got to go back and finish reading

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it.

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I was like, oh, thank God.

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I was like,

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I was so mad at you, dude,

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for the way you were ending that book.

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He's like, no, that's on me, dude.

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He's like, that's on me.

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The folder didn't update with all the

00:22:15.115 --> 00:22:15.616
panels in.

00:22:15.636 --> 00:22:17.017
I was like, oh, thank God.

00:22:18.678 --> 00:22:20.739
He's like, I appreciate you telling me.

00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:21.500
I was like,

00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:22.560
I was going to tell you, dude,

00:22:22.780 --> 00:22:23.602
because I wasn't happy.

00:22:24.162 --> 00:22:25.502
You're going to hear about it.

00:22:26.344 --> 00:22:28.105
I needed at least two more panels or

00:22:28.125 --> 00:22:29.766
at least two more pages of panels there.

00:22:30.086 --> 00:22:30.626
He's like, I don't know.

00:22:30.646 --> 00:22:31.248
They're there, man.

00:22:31.288 --> 00:22:32.729
He's like, the folder just didn't update.

00:22:32.749 --> 00:22:33.469
I was like, okay, cool.

00:22:33.489 --> 00:22:35.151
That's outstanding.

00:22:35.391 --> 00:22:37.531
Yeah.

00:22:37.571 --> 00:22:38.894
I don't know.

00:22:40.048 --> 00:22:41.890
The aging punks making comics,

00:22:42.290 --> 00:22:44.673
that's definitely a mindset, man.

00:22:45.613 --> 00:22:48.776
How are you taking that mindset of the

00:22:48.855 --> 00:22:53.318
punk rock culture and the DIY mentalities

00:22:53.378 --> 00:22:56.781
and just applying that to now a whole

00:22:56.862 --> 00:22:57.962
anthology series?

00:22:58.063 --> 00:22:58.522
And really,

00:22:58.823 --> 00:23:00.644
you brought in all kinds of creators from

00:23:00.684 --> 00:23:02.586
different walks of life.

00:23:02.645 --> 00:23:03.767
You got some Canadians,

00:23:03.807 --> 00:23:05.548
you got Australians, you got...

00:23:06.624 --> 00:23:08.964
Some Americans sprinkled in there.

00:23:08.984 --> 00:23:09.325
I mean,

00:23:09.404 --> 00:23:12.986
you really went out and got a fantastic

00:23:13.006 --> 00:23:15.246
cast of characters to work on this book

00:23:15.266 --> 00:23:17.166
with y'all.

00:23:17.567 --> 00:23:19.007
Walk us through that, man.

00:23:19.027 --> 00:23:21.087
How did y'all pick and choose who y'all

00:23:21.107 --> 00:23:24.648
were going to bring in on this?

00:23:24.669 --> 00:23:25.249
Do you want that?

00:23:25.269 --> 00:23:28.390
Do you want me to take that?

00:23:28.470 --> 00:23:28.950
I'll start.

00:23:29.009 --> 00:23:32.611
We had a super secret grading method that

00:23:32.651 --> 00:23:35.251
was extremely mathematical and logical.

00:23:36.882 --> 00:23:37.882
I need details.

00:23:37.902 --> 00:23:39.182
It had zero.

00:23:40.163 --> 00:23:41.703
It was arbitrary.

00:23:41.944 --> 00:23:43.865
Imaginary numbers involved.

00:23:43.905 --> 00:23:44.685
Yes.

00:23:45.146 --> 00:23:46.787
Don't give away the goat, man.

00:23:48.608 --> 00:23:52.230
We had sixty eight people submit to this

00:23:52.431 --> 00:23:54.231
year as artists or as writers.

00:23:54.491 --> 00:23:57.653
And not one of them was bad.

00:23:58.294 --> 00:23:58.775
Yeah.

00:23:58.815 --> 00:24:00.415
That's the thing that kind of blew our

00:24:00.455 --> 00:24:01.096
minds.

00:24:01.777 --> 00:24:03.577
Did you advertise it in like the Facebook

00:24:03.617 --> 00:24:03.938
groups?

00:24:04.819 --> 00:24:08.983
uh we did oh good ish we definitely

00:24:09.045 --> 00:24:13.169
hit we hit threads um okay i replied

00:24:13.209 --> 00:24:17.772
to one uh reddit post which that's never

00:24:17.893 --> 00:24:20.214
a place to because i'm gonna normally go

00:24:20.234 --> 00:24:22.817
you're a fucking brave man i know dude

00:24:23.337 --> 00:24:26.701
listen he was in reddit i was like

00:24:26.721 --> 00:24:28.242
got a dick picture in your in your

00:24:28.262 --> 00:24:28.884
inbox um

00:24:31.884 --> 00:24:34.286
I was posting it in like different discord

00:24:34.306 --> 00:24:35.647
channels that I'm in with a bunch of

00:24:35.667 --> 00:24:36.248
comic creators.

00:24:36.788 --> 00:24:38.529
And someone in one of those was like,

00:24:38.690 --> 00:24:38.849
Hey,

00:24:38.891 --> 00:24:40.291
do you mind if I post this in

00:24:40.352 --> 00:24:40.612
Reddit?

00:24:40.632 --> 00:24:41.653
I was like, Oh, thank God.

00:24:41.692 --> 00:24:42.354
Please do.

00:24:42.814 --> 00:24:43.894
Cause I'm not going there.

00:24:43.994 --> 00:24:45.115
Like, yes.

00:24:45.516 --> 00:24:45.757
Yeah.

00:24:45.876 --> 00:24:46.176
Post.

00:24:46.196 --> 00:24:47.218
And we actually,

00:24:47.317 --> 00:24:49.000
I think two of our people came from

00:24:49.059 --> 00:24:49.259
Reddit.

00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:49.359
Yeah.

00:24:50.421 --> 00:24:51.040
Which is rad.

00:24:51.060 --> 00:24:51.201
Yeah.

00:24:51.221 --> 00:24:53.323
No, that's really cool.

00:24:53.344 --> 00:24:55.885
And I, I, yeah, dude.

00:24:55.925 --> 00:24:56.926
Reddit is one of those where.

00:24:58.483 --> 00:25:00.545
If I have a very weird question about

00:25:00.644 --> 00:25:01.105
something,

00:25:01.825 --> 00:25:03.905
I go to Reddit first because it's going

00:25:03.925 --> 00:25:05.106
to be there guaranteed.

00:25:05.707 --> 00:25:06.988
It's just getting out of there without a

00:25:07.048 --> 00:25:08.607
dick pic is the problem, you know,

00:25:08.667 --> 00:25:11.170
because you're walking away with at least

00:25:11.309 --> 00:25:11.410
one.

00:25:13.691 --> 00:25:13.830
Yep.

00:25:13.851 --> 00:25:14.770
You didn't ask for it,

00:25:14.971 --> 00:25:15.571
but you're getting it.

00:25:15.592 --> 00:25:17.291
I just wanted to know how to unclog

00:25:17.311 --> 00:25:19.313
my drain and now I have a dick

00:25:19.333 --> 00:25:19.472
pic.

00:25:19.492 --> 00:25:19.673
Yeah.

00:25:19.712 --> 00:25:23.315
That's not going to work.

00:25:24.335 --> 00:25:25.674
I'm not going to use my wiener to

00:25:25.755 --> 00:25:27.015
unclog the drain.

00:25:27.296 --> 00:25:28.296
No, exactly.

00:25:28.355 --> 00:25:29.195
Exactly.

00:25:29.635 --> 00:25:30.655
Thanks Reddit.

00:25:33.936 --> 00:25:34.457
Yeah.

00:25:34.517 --> 00:25:34.616
Yeah.

00:25:34.636 --> 00:25:34.676
We,

00:25:34.696 --> 00:25:36.436
it was basically just canvassing social

00:25:36.477 --> 00:25:37.037
media.

00:25:37.997 --> 00:25:40.117
We were posting in discords and stuff.

00:25:40.298 --> 00:25:42.738
And then I did the amazing thing of,

00:25:42.938 --> 00:25:45.179
I take December's off like completely and

00:25:45.239 --> 00:25:45.298
I,

00:25:45.618 --> 00:25:48.138
I unplug and disconnect from everything.

00:25:48.398 --> 00:25:49.980
That's the last two weeks of December for

00:25:50.019 --> 00:25:50.599
me.

00:25:50.619 --> 00:25:52.220
So like the first week of January.

00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.040
okay yeah so like that two weeks in

00:25:55.080 --> 00:25:56.721
when we were like hey let's do submissions

00:25:56.780 --> 00:25:59.761
from like mid-november through the end of

00:25:59.781 --> 00:26:03.142
the year and then we posted everything and

00:26:03.221 --> 00:26:04.522
i sent k a message i was like

00:26:04.623 --> 00:26:06.982
oh by the way i don't do anything

00:26:07.022 --> 00:26:09.304
on social media on december remember that

00:26:09.324 --> 00:26:11.183
and he was like shit that's on me

00:26:11.284 --> 00:26:15.664
isn't it yes it is and it was

00:26:17.025 --> 00:26:19.125
and he did a great job yeah

00:26:20.928 --> 00:26:21.567
But yeah,

00:26:21.607 --> 00:26:23.307
we had sixty eight people submit.

00:26:25.108 --> 00:26:26.209
It's a lot of people, man.

00:26:26.229 --> 00:26:27.449
There's a lot of people.

00:26:27.469 --> 00:26:28.528
It's insane.

00:26:28.648 --> 00:26:31.069
We we golly, I can't remember.

00:26:32.029 --> 00:26:35.631
We weeded through artists because I had

00:26:35.671 --> 00:26:37.611
gone through the artists on my own while

00:26:37.651 --> 00:26:41.652
he was still on sabbatical and had a

00:26:41.711 --> 00:26:44.352
few ideas on who I would really like

00:26:44.392 --> 00:26:46.731
to see in there and where I would

00:26:46.751 --> 00:26:47.532
like to see them.

00:26:48.272 --> 00:26:49.792
And then basically we

00:26:50.924 --> 00:26:52.486
Once we went through the people that

00:26:53.326 --> 00:26:55.426
submitted pitches for stories,

00:26:56.426 --> 00:26:59.167
we had set up the artists for sequentials

00:26:59.528 --> 00:26:59.928
as a,

00:27:00.409 --> 00:27:02.028
what type of things do you like to

00:27:02.048 --> 00:27:02.388
draw?

00:27:03.109 --> 00:27:06.010
And between what the pitch was and what

00:27:06.050 --> 00:27:07.191
the artists like to draw,

00:27:07.570 --> 00:27:11.173
we were able to marry the teams together

00:27:11.472 --> 00:27:12.452
very easily.

00:27:12.472 --> 00:27:17.434
We had one switch with Minaj and,

00:27:17.875 --> 00:27:18.634
oh golly,

00:27:18.674 --> 00:27:19.996
I can't remember who the other...

00:27:20.682 --> 00:27:21.363
Ryder was.

00:27:21.962 --> 00:27:22.383
Yes.

00:27:23.022 --> 00:27:25.003
That was the one switch we had to

00:27:25.023 --> 00:27:26.183
make artists on.

00:27:26.763 --> 00:27:29.924
And that was honestly for the better,

00:27:29.984 --> 00:27:30.484
I'm sure.

00:27:30.585 --> 00:27:34.125
But it was so minor because both artists

00:27:34.164 --> 00:27:34.644
were great.

00:27:34.744 --> 00:27:36.665
It just was a slightly better fit.

00:27:38.365 --> 00:27:39.705
So let's walk through this real quick,

00:27:39.726 --> 00:27:43.886
man, because we got you two together.

00:27:45.307 --> 00:27:48.647
We got Duke and Miguel, Chaz and Tony.

00:27:48.667 --> 00:27:48.827
Yep.

00:27:50.854 --> 00:27:52.756
travis and i'm not sure who he has

00:27:52.796 --> 00:27:55.617
with him he's one of the cover artists

00:27:55.637 --> 00:27:56.739
yeah that's right he's one of the cover

00:27:56.798 --> 00:27:59.981
artists then we got menage and lucas then

00:28:00.182 --> 00:28:02.044
evan i think is doing his own right

00:28:02.284 --> 00:28:04.807
yes yep and was there any i will

00:28:04.826 --> 00:28:08.910
we just added one more which will be

00:28:09.009 --> 00:28:11.492
i think we went to

00:28:17.540 --> 00:28:18.000
After this,

00:28:18.161 --> 00:28:20.423
shoot me an email so I don't forget

00:28:20.442 --> 00:28:20.643
him.

00:28:21.864 --> 00:28:23.565
I get somebody shooting me a message

00:28:23.625 --> 00:28:25.346
randomly going, hey, I'm the guy.

00:28:26.928 --> 00:28:29.048
Can I get the code to the show?

00:28:29.088 --> 00:28:29.409
What?

00:28:29.849 --> 00:28:30.430
Who are you?

00:28:31.671 --> 00:28:32.432
I just don't want to forget.

00:28:33.712 --> 00:28:34.894
Definitely shoot that to me.

00:28:34.973 --> 00:28:38.096
That way I can get him in there.

00:28:38.375 --> 00:28:39.336
I got the memory of it.

00:28:43.717 --> 00:28:43.977
Like what?

00:28:43.997 --> 00:28:44.076
Yeah.

00:28:44.096 --> 00:28:44.176
Yeah.

00:28:44.196 --> 00:28:45.877
And then, so Chris, uh,

00:28:46.077 --> 00:28:48.239
Kay is actually doing a story written by

00:28:48.298 --> 00:28:51.141
Vaughn Fox, um, for Glass Comics.

00:28:51.320 --> 00:28:54.521
And then I wrote a story and Alex

00:28:54.741 --> 00:28:57.623
Clark is doing the artwork on my story.

00:28:58.304 --> 00:29:00.183
Um, so, and like,

00:29:00.464 --> 00:29:04.526
I met Alex at a convention last year,

00:29:04.546 --> 00:29:05.247
um, and,

00:29:06.086 --> 00:29:07.147
and we immediately were like,

00:29:07.208 --> 00:29:08.890
we should be making comics together.

00:29:09.529 --> 00:29:11.932
And he was like, we absolutely should.

00:29:11.971 --> 00:29:13.673
And he's a one man show on his

00:29:13.773 --> 00:29:14.493
own story.

00:29:15.174 --> 00:29:15.996
And so like it,

00:29:16.175 --> 00:29:18.657
it made sense to work him in here.

00:29:18.738 --> 00:29:21.019
Cause he just had the lost in or

00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:22.701
his solo story.

00:29:22.961 --> 00:29:23.261
Yeah.

00:29:24.502 --> 00:29:25.663
that he had done and so we were

00:29:25.682 --> 00:29:29.105
like yeah like we it people kept asking

00:29:29.325 --> 00:29:32.425
what does new mean like i'm a new

00:29:32.465 --> 00:29:33.905
creator i'm like bro you've got a

00:29:33.986 --> 00:29:36.767
bibliography you are not new like you are

00:29:36.906 --> 00:29:38.428
on imdb sir

00:29:43.229 --> 00:29:46.530
There were some that we would have loved

00:29:46.711 --> 00:29:48.611
to work with,

00:29:48.631 --> 00:29:51.553
but because we were so adamant about,

00:29:51.653 --> 00:29:53.272
nope, it's new creators.

00:29:53.313 --> 00:29:57.075
So if you've got a single series that

00:29:57.095 --> 00:29:59.455
you've written or done the art for and

00:29:59.895 --> 00:30:02.777
maybe an anthology appearance...

00:30:03.290 --> 00:30:03.651
Cool.

00:30:03.851 --> 00:30:04.672
Yeah.

00:30:04.711 --> 00:30:05.912
Anything more than that?

00:30:06.132 --> 00:30:07.873
Like, you're not new.

00:30:07.972 --> 00:30:09.394
You've got the experience.

00:30:09.993 --> 00:30:11.934
And so we were looking really for, like,

00:30:12.194 --> 00:30:13.736
our own peers.

00:30:13.895 --> 00:30:15.116
Yeah.

00:30:15.257 --> 00:30:16.738
And we were very clear.

00:30:17.117 --> 00:30:18.117
We did two, like,

00:30:18.178 --> 00:30:21.619
Zoom calls with all the creators and,

00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:22.380
you know,

00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:24.181
half on one call and half on the

00:30:24.221 --> 00:30:24.461
other.

00:30:24.580 --> 00:30:25.422
And we were like, listen,

00:30:25.961 --> 00:30:27.542
we're figuring this shit out, too.

00:30:27.803 --> 00:30:29.104
Like, we're not...

00:30:30.090 --> 00:30:32.031
We don't know how to make an anthology.

00:30:32.872 --> 00:30:35.772
To be clear, we're figuring it out.

00:30:35.813 --> 00:30:37.333
And yeah, you know,

00:30:37.373 --> 00:30:38.493
we just want to be transparent.

00:30:38.534 --> 00:30:39.753
And they were like, cool.

00:30:39.773 --> 00:30:40.334
Okay, great.

00:30:40.354 --> 00:30:42.914
We're all learning together then.

00:30:42.974 --> 00:30:43.214
Yeah,

00:30:43.335 --> 00:30:45.776
like it's it's not a we know how

00:30:45.816 --> 00:30:46.476
to do this.

00:30:46.576 --> 00:30:49.517
And we will impart our knowledge to you

00:30:49.576 --> 00:30:50.377
younglings.

00:30:50.778 --> 00:30:53.699
It was nothing like we're all doing this

00:30:53.739 --> 00:30:54.818
thing together.

00:30:55.338 --> 00:30:58.019
Because we just want to make rad comics.

00:30:58.500 --> 00:30:59.780
and so like that's what we're doing

00:30:59.820 --> 00:31:01.702
together in life man that's everybody's

00:31:01.823 --> 00:31:05.105
all in it's been like it i couldn't

00:31:05.164 --> 00:31:08.907
ask for any better or different experience

00:31:09.008 --> 00:31:12.550
other than uh not having life get insane

00:31:12.590 --> 00:31:14.051
for one of our creators shout out to

00:31:14.092 --> 00:31:17.094
pj um yeah pj had to drop out

00:31:17.134 --> 00:31:19.576
because they had a ton of just life

00:31:19.596 --> 00:31:22.077
shit explode all at the same time it

00:31:22.117 --> 00:31:23.699
happens and so it was like yo

00:31:24.098 --> 00:31:24.960
Take care of life.

00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:26.942
Like this is comics are going to be

00:31:26.981 --> 00:31:28.603
comics regardless of what you have going

00:31:28.683 --> 00:31:28.804
on.

00:31:28.923 --> 00:31:31.405
So just take care of your shits and

00:31:31.727 --> 00:31:32.567
volume two.

00:31:32.586 --> 00:31:33.808
We'll be here before you know it.

00:31:34.970 --> 00:31:35.851
We'll be here, man.

00:31:35.891 --> 00:31:37.571
Like this isn't the only time we're going

00:31:37.592 --> 00:31:38.212
to do an anthology.

00:31:39.743 --> 00:31:39.963
Yeah.

00:31:40.704 --> 00:31:42.445
So like that's the only thing that I'm

00:31:42.465 --> 00:31:42.865
like, yeah,

00:31:42.885 --> 00:31:44.686
I wish life wasn't crazy for PJ because

00:31:45.788 --> 00:31:47.308
their story would have been freaking

00:31:47.409 --> 00:31:47.729
awesome.

00:31:48.068 --> 00:31:49.849
Yeah, it was a really good story.

00:31:50.451 --> 00:31:52.251
But there's always later.

00:31:52.652 --> 00:31:54.093
But also, yeah, like life.

00:31:55.094 --> 00:31:57.515
And honestly, kind of thinking about this,

00:31:57.575 --> 00:31:57.895
you know,

00:31:58.056 --> 00:31:59.836
we were talking about how a lot of

00:31:59.896 --> 00:32:02.618
anthologies have a theme or something like

00:32:02.659 --> 00:32:02.818
that.

00:32:03.419 --> 00:32:04.159
Realistically,

00:32:04.299 --> 00:32:06.500
our theme is that they're all new.

00:32:08.943 --> 00:32:09.023
Yeah.

00:32:09.044 --> 00:32:09.304
Yeah.

00:32:09.423 --> 00:32:11.145
That's probably my favorite part about

00:32:11.165 --> 00:32:13.948
this is, I mean, and I know Duke.

00:32:14.528 --> 00:32:15.410
I know him personally.

00:32:15.549 --> 00:32:17.912
I talk to him pretty often, actually.

00:32:18.633 --> 00:32:20.034
We were just talking about Spider-Man the

00:32:20.054 --> 00:32:20.493
other day,

00:32:20.594 --> 00:32:24.637
and we've both seen Peter falling out of

00:32:24.657 --> 00:32:25.179
the web.

00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:26.880
And I was like, hey, dude,

00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:28.561
this could be a setup for the other.

00:32:29.813 --> 00:32:31.374
And he was just like, oh, dude,

00:32:31.394 --> 00:32:32.174
I just he's like,

00:32:32.194 --> 00:32:33.415
I just pulled that comic book out the

00:32:33.435 --> 00:32:34.576
other day and gave it a read.

00:32:34.596 --> 00:32:35.636
I was like, yeah,

00:32:35.656 --> 00:32:37.518
that would be a sick horror feature.

00:32:37.538 --> 00:32:39.519
You know, we just did Marvel zombies.

00:32:39.579 --> 00:32:40.200
So, you know,

00:32:41.461 --> 00:32:43.221
why can't you give us the other

00:32:43.261 --> 00:32:44.022
Spider-Man,

00:32:44.262 --> 00:32:46.744
which would just be absolutely sick,

00:32:46.785 --> 00:32:47.565
in my opinion.

00:32:47.865 --> 00:32:48.865
Yeah.

00:32:48.925 --> 00:32:50.606
So, yeah,

00:32:50.626 --> 00:32:52.028
we had a whole conversation about that.

00:32:52.067 --> 00:32:53.789
And then we were like talking about

00:32:53.809 --> 00:32:55.310
something else like Comic-Con is a thing.

00:32:56.185 --> 00:32:57.786
Because I think Toronto Comic Con is this

00:32:57.826 --> 00:32:58.507
weekend as well.

00:32:58.527 --> 00:32:58.807
He's like,

00:32:58.987 --> 00:33:00.326
I'm not even going to get to go.

00:33:00.527 --> 00:33:01.146
I'm like, eh,

00:33:01.166 --> 00:33:02.488
you're not missing nothing most likely,

00:33:02.528 --> 00:33:05.327
man.

00:33:06.989 --> 00:33:08.108
But no, so I like it.

00:33:08.148 --> 00:33:09.189
First time creators.

00:33:11.210 --> 00:33:12.369
Was that somebody's cat?

00:33:12.809 --> 00:33:14.470
That's my cat, yeah.

00:33:14.550 --> 00:33:17.310
Your cat has a boom to him.

00:33:17.411 --> 00:33:18.971
Oh, it's precious.

00:33:19.451 --> 00:33:20.231
I'm a cat guy.

00:33:20.291 --> 00:33:21.571
I got three of them.

00:33:22.633 --> 00:33:23.192
Anytime somebody,

00:33:23.252 --> 00:33:24.353
I hear a cat and I'm like,

00:33:24.980 --> 00:33:30.560
kitties can i pet it exactly he's so

00:33:30.601 --> 00:33:35.261
pretty too yeah i got a long hair

00:33:35.821 --> 00:33:37.623
that's a he's a main coon mitts i

00:33:37.663 --> 00:33:41.923
got um that's what he is yeah beautiful

00:33:41.962 --> 00:33:44.983
cast man i love it and my daughter

00:33:45.003 --> 00:33:46.644
just found some calicos the other day and

00:33:46.683 --> 00:33:47.944
she's like can i bring it home i'm

00:33:47.984 --> 00:33:49.825
like no yeah i got three of them

00:33:49.904 --> 00:33:50.105
it's

00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:54.000
No, you absolutely can't do that.

00:33:54.020 --> 00:33:57.082
I want to make sure you hear I'm

00:33:57.182 --> 00:33:58.241
saying no.

00:33:58.461 --> 00:33:59.602
Don't bring it home.

00:34:00.061 --> 00:34:00.563
Exactly.

00:34:00.583 --> 00:34:03.583
If that was me, then yes.

00:34:03.723 --> 00:34:05.503
We got a nineteen pounder over here.

00:34:06.463 --> 00:34:07.805
That was the last one she brought home.

00:34:07.944 --> 00:34:09.045
He's not fat either.

00:34:09.085 --> 00:34:10.826
He's just a solid boy.

00:34:11.005 --> 00:34:11.726
Just big.

00:34:11.746 --> 00:34:15.166
Just a big old cat, man.

00:34:15.666 --> 00:34:17.186
Then we got Evie, who is our baby.

00:34:17.246 --> 00:34:19.088
My little princess who comes in and

00:34:19.527 --> 00:34:22.530
She's like, hey, Dad, give me my massage.

00:34:22.590 --> 00:34:23.710
And I sit there,

00:34:23.731 --> 00:34:26.012
and you get her ears.

00:34:26.052 --> 00:34:27.474
You get her face.

00:34:27.514 --> 00:34:29.554
And she's just, like, purring, just, like,

00:34:29.914 --> 00:34:31.315
drooling on herself.

00:34:31.496 --> 00:34:35.318
And I'm just like, wipe your lips.

00:34:35.358 --> 00:34:36.119
There we go.

00:34:37.521 --> 00:34:38.942
Yeah, she drools on herself.

00:34:38.961 --> 00:34:40.742
She snores like she's, you know,

00:34:40.822 --> 00:34:41.443
cutting trees.

00:34:41.463 --> 00:34:41.762
That's awesome.

00:34:41.784 --> 00:34:42.503
That is fantastic.

00:34:44.565 --> 00:34:46.126
What's this here?

00:34:46.146 --> 00:34:46.286
Ooh.

00:34:47.947 --> 00:34:48.088
Ooh.

00:34:48.711 --> 00:34:49.512
Oh, bro, no.

00:34:49.713 --> 00:34:51.757
We're not... I'm sorry, dude.

00:34:51.817 --> 00:34:54.661
No.

00:34:54.681 --> 00:34:56.224
They're trying to sell you a consultant.

00:34:56.945 --> 00:34:57.485
Oh, sweet.

00:34:58.067 --> 00:34:58.268
Yeah,

00:34:58.347 --> 00:35:00.130
I would love for you to fuck off,

00:35:00.271 --> 00:35:00.692
actually.

00:35:00.972 --> 00:35:01.152
Um...

00:35:02.181 --> 00:35:03.242
That's why they're getting blocked.

00:35:04.523 --> 00:35:06.166
And I'm pretty sure this is the same

00:35:06.206 --> 00:35:09.730
person who just sent Paul Eza an email

00:35:09.750 --> 00:35:11.331
the other day saying, hey,

00:35:11.371 --> 00:35:13.193
I've seen your appearance on this podcast.

00:35:13.293 --> 00:35:13.914
I can do this,

00:35:13.974 --> 00:35:14.835
this and this for you.

00:35:15.295 --> 00:35:16.637
And when they're coming back to me going,

00:35:16.677 --> 00:35:16.896
hey,

00:35:16.916 --> 00:35:18.358
do you know who this person is and

00:35:18.398 --> 00:35:20.059
why they're emailing me to my personal

00:35:20.099 --> 00:35:20.559
accounts?

00:35:20.900 --> 00:35:22.402
Which means they had to go find him.

00:35:23.510 --> 00:35:25.472
Find his personal email through his social

00:35:25.512 --> 00:35:27.213
media and then email him.

00:35:27.313 --> 00:35:28.273
And then it comes back to me.

00:35:28.313 --> 00:35:29.074
I'm like, I am.

00:35:29.414 --> 00:35:30.817
I do not work for any type of

00:35:30.856 --> 00:35:31.637
consultations.

00:35:32.257 --> 00:35:32.697
Matter of fact,

00:35:32.717 --> 00:35:33.978
if you want a consultation with me,

00:35:34.059 --> 00:35:36.021
I will give you a consultation all day

00:35:36.581 --> 00:35:38.262
because that is kind of what we do

00:35:38.322 --> 00:35:38.884
here.

00:35:39.003 --> 00:35:39.083
Yep.

00:35:42.396 --> 00:35:44.536
In the spirit of DIY,

00:35:45.418 --> 00:35:48.699
we're doing everything ourselves.

00:35:48.838 --> 00:35:51.559
That's kind of what DIY means.

00:35:51.619 --> 00:35:56.862
It completely undercuts what I do here.

00:35:57.161 --> 00:35:58.521
They can take that bullshit someplace

00:35:58.621 --> 00:35:58.822
else.

00:35:59.121 --> 00:35:59.842
No offense to you.

00:35:59.902 --> 00:36:01.143
You're probably a great person.

00:36:01.262 --> 00:36:02.304
You're trying to earn your money,

00:36:02.884 --> 00:36:05.625
but don't bring that bullshit on my

00:36:05.664 --> 00:36:08.646
channel, on my page, to my...

00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:10.800
I don't want to call you clients for

00:36:10.820 --> 00:36:13.581
my new friends with that kind of shit.

00:36:13.722 --> 00:36:14.603
We don't do that here.

00:36:15.143 --> 00:36:15.402
It's like,

00:36:15.422 --> 00:36:17.342
you're trying to undercut me and I'm not

00:36:17.402 --> 00:36:17.903
charging.

00:36:17.943 --> 00:36:18.943
So what are you doing?

00:36:19.543 --> 00:36:19.764
Right.

00:36:20.123 --> 00:36:20.623
Yeah.

00:36:20.704 --> 00:36:22.224
I'm trying to promote indie comics.

00:36:24.106 --> 00:36:25.846
You're trying to take money from people

00:36:25.905 --> 00:36:27.606
who make indie comics.

00:36:28.027 --> 00:36:28.306
Yeah.

00:36:28.367 --> 00:36:31.608
Like we're, we're not making any money.

00:36:31.768 --> 00:36:33.427
We just want to produce our book, man.

00:36:33.507 --> 00:36:37.030
And print a book.

00:36:37.070 --> 00:36:38.030
Like, come on, dude.

00:36:39.063 --> 00:36:41.005
I love when I get those emails anytime

00:36:41.065 --> 00:36:42.306
I set up a pre-launch page.

00:36:42.606 --> 00:36:45.429
And I suddenly start getting like flooded

00:36:45.668 --> 00:36:47.210
with emails of, hey,

00:36:47.230 --> 00:36:48.650
I work for this consulting firm and I

00:36:48.670 --> 00:36:49.632
would love to talk to you about your

00:36:49.672 --> 00:36:49.992
pre-launch.

00:36:50.012 --> 00:36:51.492
So there's some good ones out there.

00:36:51.652 --> 00:36:52.554
There really is.

00:36:52.893 --> 00:36:57.056
Like Backerkit, they are good people.

00:36:57.137 --> 00:36:58.838
They work with Kickstarter directly.

00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:02.139
And that's what they do is Kickstarter

00:37:02.260 --> 00:37:02.940
promotions.

00:37:03.460 --> 00:37:04.961
And they're fantastic people.

00:37:04.981 --> 00:37:06.884
I've never heard anything bad about them.

00:37:07.844 --> 00:37:09.344
But this kind of shit,

00:37:09.364 --> 00:37:11.005
because I'm pretty sure that's the person

00:37:11.045 --> 00:37:12.547
right there who emailed Paul.

00:37:13.867 --> 00:37:15.630
And it makes me look bad.

00:37:15.849 --> 00:37:16.751
And I don't want to look bad.

00:37:16.771 --> 00:37:17.670
If I'm going to look bad,

00:37:17.690 --> 00:37:18.512
I'm going to do it on my own

00:37:18.552 --> 00:37:20.193
accord.

00:37:20.213 --> 00:37:20.612
That's right.

00:37:20.632 --> 00:37:22.034
I'm perfectly capable of making myself

00:37:22.074 --> 00:37:23.396
look bad.

00:37:23.416 --> 00:37:24.416
Give me five minutes.

00:37:24.436 --> 00:37:25.856
I've been making myself look bad for forty

00:37:25.876 --> 00:37:26.858
years.

00:37:26.878 --> 00:37:28.119
Fucking forty-four years, man.

00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:29.219
I think I can do this on my

00:37:29.300 --> 00:37:29.739
own, okay?

00:37:32.902 --> 00:37:36.085
yep oh dude it just fires me up

00:37:36.105 --> 00:37:37.965
man because it's like the most

00:37:38.005 --> 00:37:40.487
disrespectful thing ever you want to pitch

00:37:40.527 --> 00:37:44.050
your client pitch yourself in the middle

00:37:44.090 --> 00:37:46.731
of my show yeah well we're trying to

00:37:46.771 --> 00:37:48.974
talk about aha all right and i love

00:37:49.014 --> 00:37:50.614
that name dude where the hell did that

00:37:50.655 --> 00:37:52.755
name come from first of all that's another

00:37:52.795 --> 00:37:54.016
question i gotta get that one out there

00:37:54.137 --> 00:37:55.077
where did it come from

00:37:55.807 --> 00:37:58.568
So we're simple people.

00:37:59.090 --> 00:38:02.251
And like wordplay.

00:38:02.291 --> 00:38:02.670
Yeah.

00:38:02.990 --> 00:38:05.833
And we were talking about, you know,

00:38:06.413 --> 00:38:08.653
so we're going to do this horror anthology

00:38:08.873 --> 00:38:12.315
and it's going to be CHK presents a

00:38:12.436 --> 00:38:13.956
horror anthology.

00:38:13.996 --> 00:38:14.536
And I was like, well,

00:38:14.617 --> 00:38:15.396
hang on a second.

00:38:16.157 --> 00:38:19.438
A horror anthology.

00:38:19.579 --> 00:38:20.739
What if we just call it AHA?

00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:21.159
Yeah.

00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:26.061
and then it's literally an acronym and it

00:38:26.442 --> 00:38:29.664
stands for our anthology freaking

00:38:29.724 --> 00:38:31.864
brilliant man that's marketing one-on-one

00:38:31.905 --> 00:38:34.746
right there there it is it's so easy

00:38:34.766 --> 00:38:37.768
to find too on kickstarter like oh yeah

00:38:37.967 --> 00:38:39.969
so easy three letters that's what i like

00:38:40.009 --> 00:38:42.230
too like if you don't like when people

00:38:42.250 --> 00:38:43.771
go like hey i'm doing this kickstarter and

00:38:43.831 --> 00:38:45.271
they don't i'm asking like hey can you

00:38:45.331 --> 00:38:46.831
send me your links can you do this

00:38:46.871 --> 00:38:48.393
i need your social media i need that

00:38:49.335 --> 00:38:51.096
And they're like nickel and diming me on

00:38:51.135 --> 00:38:51.396
stuff.

00:38:51.436 --> 00:38:51.715
Right.

00:38:51.775 --> 00:38:52.335
I'm like, you know,

00:38:52.356 --> 00:38:53.376
let me go to Kickstarter and try to

00:38:53.396 --> 00:38:53.996
find it myself.

00:38:54.016 --> 00:38:55.137
And I can't find it for shit.

00:38:55.456 --> 00:38:55.677
Yeah.

00:38:55.817 --> 00:38:57.478
I'm like, what is going on here?

00:38:57.818 --> 00:38:58.097
Yeah.

00:38:58.137 --> 00:38:59.798
How many other comic books can be named

00:39:00.298 --> 00:39:00.739
this?

00:39:00.759 --> 00:39:01.798
And there's like, yep.

00:39:01.818 --> 00:39:03.980
I'm like, okay, but which one are you?

00:39:04.019 --> 00:39:05.860
I'm like trying to double cross-checking

00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:06.460
names.

00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:07.300
Yeah.

00:39:08.621 --> 00:39:09.461
That's the one that emailed me.

00:39:09.501 --> 00:39:09.702
Okay.

00:39:09.782 --> 00:39:10.181
It's this one.

00:39:10.202 --> 00:39:10.621
It's this one.

00:39:10.641 --> 00:39:11.402
Let me get that.

00:39:12.222 --> 00:39:13.762
And I'm copying all their links.

00:39:13.842 --> 00:39:14.903
I'm like, oh, blue sky.

00:39:14.923 --> 00:39:15.983
I'm like, are you on blue sky?

00:39:16.023 --> 00:39:16.983
So she don't want to tell me nothing.

00:39:17.003 --> 00:39:17.184
Okay.

00:39:17.465 --> 00:39:18.585
Oh, Hey, there he is.

00:39:19.485 --> 00:39:22.708
copy and paste that and like be

00:39:22.768 --> 00:39:24.489
forthcoming with details that's all i'm

00:39:24.588 --> 00:39:26.931
asking yeah every time i search

00:39:26.971 --> 00:39:32.215
kickstarter for aha uh we most recently

00:39:32.275 --> 00:39:34.836
enough if you include the exclamation mark

00:39:35.157 --> 00:39:37.237
we're the third project that comes up if

00:39:37.298 --> 00:39:40.760
you don't we're the fourth kind of crazy

00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:41.581
there's four of them

00:39:42.161 --> 00:39:43.663
Yeah, but that's the thing.

00:39:43.902 --> 00:39:45.764
None of them are named AHA.

00:39:45.905 --> 00:39:50.168
They just have A-H-A in another word in

00:39:50.447 --> 00:39:51.168
the title.

00:39:51.188 --> 00:39:56.032
I think there is one novel that's got

00:39:56.251 --> 00:39:57.132
AHA in it.

00:39:57.652 --> 00:39:58.994
I'll save my Dr.

00:39:59.034 --> 00:40:02.456
Doofy Schmertz reference for later then.

00:40:03.097 --> 00:40:03.577
What?

00:40:03.597 --> 00:40:05.259
I only have two nickels,

00:40:05.338 --> 00:40:06.639
but it would be a very strange

00:40:06.659 --> 00:40:07.380
coincidence.

00:40:08.300 --> 00:40:08.581
That's the one.

00:40:08.601 --> 00:40:08.800
Oh, shit.

00:40:12.041 --> 00:40:14.161
Chris McKay knew where I was going.

00:40:14.402 --> 00:40:16.043
Yeah, you lost me there.

00:40:16.262 --> 00:40:19.103
Come on, man.

00:40:19.123 --> 00:40:20.103
Dr. T. Fishmertz.

00:40:21.264 --> 00:40:22.003
Absolutely.

00:40:22.724 --> 00:40:23.925
Phineas and Ferb, my guy.

00:40:23.945 --> 00:40:25.485
Yeah, man.

00:40:25.565 --> 00:40:26.065
Okay.

00:40:26.105 --> 00:40:26.385
Come on,

00:40:26.405 --> 00:40:27.324
we got to get you up on some

00:40:27.344 --> 00:40:28.186
Phineas and Ferb, man.

00:40:28.206 --> 00:40:29.385
If you haven't watched a hundred and one

00:40:29.405 --> 00:40:30.746
days of summer vacation,

00:40:30.766 --> 00:40:32.106
then you're missing out on your life.

00:40:32.545 --> 00:40:34.047
That's a great one.

00:40:34.067 --> 00:40:35.626
Apparently I'm missing out on my life.

00:40:35.987 --> 00:40:36.367
You are.

00:40:36.827 --> 00:40:37.668
We got to fix that.

00:40:37.688 --> 00:40:39.288
We definitely got to fix that.

00:40:42.827 --> 00:40:44.088
They're the triangle headed one.

00:40:44.188 --> 00:40:44.527
Yes.

00:40:45.108 --> 00:40:45.467
One of them.

00:40:45.527 --> 00:40:45.927
Yes.

00:40:46.188 --> 00:40:46.568
Yes.

00:40:46.789 --> 00:40:47.628
Yeah.

00:40:47.668 --> 00:40:48.028
Great.

00:40:48.088 --> 00:40:48.989
Don't ask me which one,

00:40:49.028 --> 00:40:51.329
but I can never remember.

00:40:52.190 --> 00:40:53.951
They're simply like children,

00:40:54.010 --> 00:40:56.650
Jay and Silent Bob with an annoying

00:40:56.710 --> 00:40:57.072
sister.

00:40:57.532 --> 00:40:57.751
Got it.

00:40:57.771 --> 00:40:58.152
Yes.

00:40:59.092 --> 00:40:59.271
Yes.

00:40:59.711 --> 00:40:59.911
Got it.

00:40:59.931 --> 00:41:01.492
They don't have Rosario Dawson.

00:41:01.693 --> 00:41:02.413
Classic.

00:41:02.512 --> 00:41:03.614
But they had me now in,

00:41:03.653 --> 00:41:05.114
I think at one time doing a character

00:41:05.134 --> 00:41:05.514
voice.

00:41:05.934 --> 00:41:06.273
Really?

00:41:06.293 --> 00:41:06.373
Yeah.

00:41:06.393 --> 00:41:07.755
Okay.

00:41:08.235 --> 00:41:08.394
Okay.

00:41:12.275 --> 00:41:13.695
Who does their theme song?

00:41:14.016 --> 00:41:15.197
Oh, God.

00:41:15.217 --> 00:41:15.898
Bowling for Soup.

00:41:17.900 --> 00:41:19.563
Yeah.

00:41:19.663 --> 00:41:21.985
I've heard the theme song at least because

00:41:22.065 --> 00:41:23.347
I've heard them do it.

00:41:23.367 --> 00:41:23.487
Yeah.

00:41:26.088 --> 00:41:29.929
Which, to side this in, yeah, they do.

00:41:30.891 --> 00:41:32.911
So Bowling for Soup had a comic book,

00:41:33.231 --> 00:41:34.233
very briefly,

00:41:34.753 --> 00:41:37.315
and it was written by Von Fox,

00:41:37.355 --> 00:41:40.856
who's writing the comic that Chris is

00:41:40.956 --> 00:41:42.617
illustrating in AHA.

00:41:42.818 --> 00:41:43.418
Yes, dude.

00:41:43.438 --> 00:41:44.318
I love it.

00:41:44.478 --> 00:41:45.039
I do.

00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.663
perfect full circle moment i like it bring

00:41:49.702 --> 00:41:52.585
it in you know back to the sales

00:41:52.646 --> 00:41:55.188
pitch of we have really good people

00:41:55.228 --> 00:41:58.652
creating dude that's awesome

00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.023
Bullet for Soup is Alexa Bliss' favorite

00:42:03.043 --> 00:42:03.342
band.

00:42:03.603 --> 00:42:04.364
Yeah.

00:42:04.403 --> 00:42:04.804
Where's she from?

00:42:04.983 --> 00:42:05.224
Columbus.

00:42:05.304 --> 00:42:06.144
There you go.

00:42:06.204 --> 00:42:09.807
It's always fucking Ohio, man.

00:42:11.668 --> 00:42:12.590
I swear.

00:42:12.809 --> 00:42:14.210
Yeah, man.

00:42:15.431 --> 00:42:16.612
Yeah, man.

00:42:19.795 --> 00:42:21.516
Everything comes back to Ohio.

00:42:22.117 --> 00:42:23.697
I don't know if this is...

00:42:23.777 --> 00:42:27.681
It's like the nine degrees of separation

00:42:27.721 --> 00:42:28.782
for Kevin Bacon or whatever.

00:42:29.402 --> 00:42:30.983
Only we can pick out the Kevin Bacon

00:42:31.023 --> 00:42:31.925
and put Ohio.

00:42:32.244 --> 00:42:34.266
What's your degree of Kevin Bacon?

00:42:34.487 --> 00:42:36.929
Because I'm guaranteeing you I'm going to

00:42:36.969 --> 00:42:38.650
make it even lower right now.

00:42:39.672 --> 00:42:40.693
Why do you know it?

00:42:41.014 --> 00:42:42.414
Yeah, I'm going to change your life.

00:42:42.614 --> 00:42:44.876
So I have a degree.

00:42:44.978 --> 00:42:46.559
I have a kid in college in pre-med,

00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:46.739
okay?

00:42:46.759 --> 00:42:46.878
Okay.

00:42:48.246 --> 00:42:49.507
That's my life-changing event.

00:42:50.887 --> 00:42:53.449
I have a daughter in nursing in college.

00:42:53.751 --> 00:42:54.610
Hey, there you go.

00:42:54.630 --> 00:42:55.411
So we're basically the same.

00:42:55.431 --> 00:42:57.052
Exactly.

00:42:57.092 --> 00:43:00.096
So my degree of Kevin Bacon is two.

00:43:02.418 --> 00:43:05.079
So now your degree of Kevin Bacon is

00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:06.701
three because you know me.

00:43:07.402 --> 00:43:10.063
So when I worked at my local theme

00:43:10.103 --> 00:43:12.085
park in the character department,

00:43:12.246 --> 00:43:13.947
I was Scooby-Doo.

00:43:14.487 --> 00:43:16.690
And one of my cohorts...

00:43:17.510 --> 00:43:21.871
worked in movies and costuming and he

00:43:22.112 --> 00:43:22.992
worked with Seth,

00:43:23.233 --> 00:43:25.612
like he was Seth Green's personal dresser

00:43:25.813 --> 00:43:26.994
in the movie Airborne,

00:43:27.454 --> 00:43:29.355
which was shot in Cincinnati,

00:43:30.014 --> 00:43:31.315
like inline skating.

00:43:31.335 --> 00:43:33.396
Cause we're the city of seven Hills,

00:43:34.036 --> 00:43:36.277
literally the city is surrounded by Hills.

00:43:36.938 --> 00:43:38.938
And so Airborne was shot here.

00:43:39.018 --> 00:43:40.599
And so he worked on that film and

00:43:40.619 --> 00:43:40.659
he,

00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.121
Seth Green was in a movie with Kevin

00:43:44.161 --> 00:43:44.561
Bacon.

00:43:44.581 --> 00:43:45.782
I don't remember which one it was,

00:43:46.141 --> 00:43:47.922
but I remember this because I remember

00:43:47.963 --> 00:43:50.043
that that made my degree of Kevin Bacon

00:43:50.264 --> 00:43:50.664
too,

00:43:51.083 --> 00:43:53.425
because I'm two degrees away from him.

00:43:54.045 --> 00:43:55.846
So now you're three degrees because you

00:43:55.865 --> 00:43:57.306
know me and I know Donnie and Donnie

00:43:57.327 --> 00:43:58.827
knows Seth Green and Seth Green works with

00:43:58.847 --> 00:43:59.467
Kevin Bacon.

00:43:59.567 --> 00:44:00.967
So you're welcome.

00:44:01.007 --> 00:44:03.208
Now you can put that on your resume.

00:44:03.228 --> 00:44:03.429
Okay.

00:44:03.969 --> 00:44:04.509
That's good.

00:44:04.528 --> 00:44:04.889
Dude.

00:44:04.909 --> 00:44:05.449
First line.

00:44:06.331 --> 00:44:08.291
Well, maybe the second one.

00:44:08.311 --> 00:44:11.213
The chairman is kind of important.

00:44:12.054 --> 00:44:14.414
But now... Jeff, the chairman,

00:44:15.094 --> 00:44:16.536
three degrees from Kevin Bacon.

00:44:16.655 --> 00:44:17.856
Exactly, exactly.

00:44:17.976 --> 00:44:19.056
Priorities right there.

00:44:19.637 --> 00:44:22.679
You could make it sound like a martial

00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.561
arts belt and be third degree Kevin Bacon.

00:44:25.581 --> 00:44:28.061
I have a Kevin Bacon...

00:44:28.101 --> 00:44:29.702
Everybody has to start doing that now.

00:44:30.603 --> 00:44:32.023
Everybody has to start doing it that way

00:44:32.043 --> 00:44:32.264
now.

00:44:32.304 --> 00:44:34.025
I like that.

00:44:34.184 --> 00:44:34.364
So...

00:44:35.233 --> 00:44:37.914
Does that mean your third degree of Kevin

00:44:37.934 --> 00:44:39.836
Bacon is more impressive than my second

00:44:39.876 --> 00:44:40.856
degree of Kevin Bacon?

00:44:41.597 --> 00:44:42.378
Ooh.

00:44:42.798 --> 00:44:44.760
Because doesn't karate go up?

00:44:45.161 --> 00:44:46.161
Karate goes up.

00:44:46.181 --> 00:44:48.023
I know that because I had to go

00:44:48.103 --> 00:44:49.623
all the way to second degree black belt.

00:44:50.244 --> 00:44:52.385
I'm playing golf over here, my guy.

00:44:52.427 --> 00:44:53.467
You're playing golf.

00:44:53.947 --> 00:44:56.989
But you can still say second degree Kevin

00:44:57.050 --> 00:44:57.489
Bacon.

00:44:59.831 --> 00:45:01.693
I have a degree of bacon of two.

00:45:03.711 --> 00:45:04.351
Boom.

00:45:04.911 --> 00:45:05.253
There you go.

00:45:05.273 --> 00:45:06.112
There you go.

00:45:06.693 --> 00:45:08.032
You could be bacon squared.

00:45:08.313 --> 00:45:11.054
Bacon squared and you're bacon cubed.

00:45:11.333 --> 00:45:12.153
Yep, there it is.

00:45:12.313 --> 00:45:13.235
Part two.

00:45:13.775 --> 00:45:18.436
Part two.

00:45:18.476 --> 00:45:22.177
Part two with an X. Exactly.

00:45:25.990 --> 00:45:30.693
sorry that's a weird tangent to go on

00:45:30.733 --> 00:45:32.534
that i don't need no dude that's perfect

00:45:32.554 --> 00:45:35.717
man i love that kind of stuff like

00:45:36.097 --> 00:45:37.818
nothing's getting cut from this episode i

00:45:37.898 --> 00:45:40.500
love it yeah just let it all ride

00:45:40.539 --> 00:45:42.681
man oh dude nine times out of ten

00:45:42.722 --> 00:45:43.983
i do it that way anyway because of

00:45:44.003 --> 00:45:45.744
the way i structure everything but this

00:45:45.824 --> 00:45:47.065
one is kind of off the rails and

00:45:47.105 --> 00:45:47.605
i love it

00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:52.222
Welcome to our world.

00:45:52.442 --> 00:45:53.141
I can't help it.

00:45:55.143 --> 00:45:56.123
You have to.

00:45:56.163 --> 00:45:56.922
To some degree,

00:45:56.943 --> 00:45:58.523
we all have something like that.

00:45:58.884 --> 00:45:59.224
Otherwise,

00:45:59.284 --> 00:46:00.784
we would not be doing this to ourselves

00:46:00.824 --> 00:46:01.344
every week.

00:46:02.125 --> 00:46:06.706
Multiple times.

00:46:08.206 --> 00:46:10.487
When you were putting this together and

00:46:10.507 --> 00:46:12.347
you were deciding the order of the

00:46:12.387 --> 00:46:13.027
stories,

00:46:13.228 --> 00:46:16.409
did y'all try to make it cohesive or

00:46:16.429 --> 00:46:17.389
was it just like...

00:46:18.168 --> 00:46:19.708
We're going to make this as random as

00:46:19.748 --> 00:46:20.670
humanly possible.

00:46:21.409 --> 00:46:22.469
And it's just going to be like, hey,

00:46:22.510 --> 00:46:23.949
this story is kind of mild.

00:46:24.431 --> 00:46:25.610
And then the one in the middle is

00:46:25.650 --> 00:46:26.190
kind of like,

00:46:26.851 --> 00:46:28.311
what the hell did I just read?

00:46:28.652 --> 00:46:29.492
And then it's like, oh,

00:46:29.532 --> 00:46:31.072
here's a soft version for you.

00:46:31.092 --> 00:46:33.632
And then it's like.

00:46:33.652 --> 00:46:34.833
That would have been the smart thing to

00:46:34.853 --> 00:46:34.992
do.

00:46:38.554 --> 00:46:40.454
So take a cue from Nirvana and loud,

00:46:40.494 --> 00:46:41.114
quiet, loud.

00:46:41.135 --> 00:46:42.114
But we did not do that.

00:46:42.538 --> 00:46:43.739
We didn't do that.

00:46:44.139 --> 00:46:44.298
No.

00:46:44.318 --> 00:46:45.599
We just kind of put them in order.

00:46:45.619 --> 00:46:50.601
Yeah, we kind of were like,

00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:51.961
it was super secret,

00:46:52.021 --> 00:46:53.382
mathematically logical.

00:46:53.681 --> 00:46:55.623
You were rolling a d-twenty to determine

00:46:55.643 --> 00:46:56.643
where they went in the book.

00:46:57.123 --> 00:46:57.603
Listen,

00:46:57.884 --> 00:47:00.204
just because I have a d-twenty right here

00:47:00.465 --> 00:47:02.525
doesn't mean anything.

00:47:02.606 --> 00:47:03.025
I knew it.

00:47:03.045 --> 00:47:03.626
I called it.

00:47:06.038 --> 00:47:08.260
Let me reach into my driller.

00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:11.164
Let me just stretch to my over desk

00:47:11.204 --> 00:47:11.623
shelf.

00:47:11.664 --> 00:47:12.824
That's right out of view.

00:47:14.347 --> 00:47:16.528
Shout out to Sean Sunday for having a

00:47:16.769 --> 00:47:18.791
custom D twenty with his brain beast

00:47:18.871 --> 00:47:20.233
studios logo.

00:47:22.195 --> 00:47:22.476
Anyway.

00:47:22.556 --> 00:47:22.775
Yeah.

00:47:22.835 --> 00:47:23.175
No, we, we,

00:47:24.693 --> 00:47:26.735
the only like order wise,

00:47:26.775 --> 00:47:29.077
the only thing that I was very intentional

00:47:29.097 --> 00:47:29.757
with was like,

00:47:29.978 --> 00:47:32.119
I don't want either of our stories that

00:47:32.139 --> 00:47:35.061
we're involved with being first or last.

00:47:35.442 --> 00:47:36.322
Like, I don't want that.

00:47:36.402 --> 00:47:36.943
Cause it's not,

00:47:37.483 --> 00:47:38.844
the anthology is not about us.

00:47:38.983 --> 00:47:41.286
We're taking part in it because we're also

00:47:41.365 --> 00:47:42.047
new creators.

00:47:42.067 --> 00:47:42.327
But like, yeah.

00:47:44.128 --> 00:47:44.668
we don't want,

00:47:44.949 --> 00:47:47.635
this isn't like a self-service hand job.

00:47:47.914 --> 00:47:49.257
Like that's not what we're doing.

00:47:49.297 --> 00:47:52.081
So that was the only intentional thing

00:47:52.101 --> 00:47:52.704
that we did.

00:47:53.123 --> 00:47:54.907
And then from there it was like, okay,

00:47:54.987 --> 00:47:57.130
so for like middle-ish people,

00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:01.360
There was a little bit of conversation,

00:48:01.420 --> 00:48:02.961
but really it was like,

00:48:04.461 --> 00:48:05.663
I feel like this one needs to be

00:48:05.722 --> 00:48:06.163
last.

00:48:06.922 --> 00:48:09.903
I feel like this is a good first

00:48:10.023 --> 00:48:10.545
story.

00:48:11.164 --> 00:48:12.625
And then if we fill us in in

00:48:12.644 --> 00:48:16.086
the middle, then we can... Cool,

00:48:16.106 --> 00:48:16.786
they're third.

00:48:17.407 --> 00:48:17.847
And...

00:48:19.668 --> 00:48:22.329
So it was very much that there was

00:48:22.630 --> 00:48:27.112
a highly scientific method to how we put

00:48:27.152 --> 00:48:28.273
the order together.

00:48:29.072 --> 00:48:30.193
You rolled a D twenty.

00:48:30.494 --> 00:48:31.094
We rolled a D twenty.

00:48:31.114 --> 00:48:32.215
That sounds cooler.

00:48:32.275 --> 00:48:33.175
That sounds cooler.

00:48:33.476 --> 00:48:33.835
Yeah.

00:48:33.876 --> 00:48:35.556
Especially in the environment we work in.

00:48:35.577 --> 00:48:37.277
If you're rolling a D twenty to determine

00:48:37.297 --> 00:48:39.179
the order, you're doing it right.

00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:39.619
That's right.

00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:40.719
That's right.

00:48:40.820 --> 00:48:41.000
Yeah.

00:48:42.112 --> 00:48:43.375
Yeah,

00:48:44.396 --> 00:48:47.663
besides our placement in the anthology,

00:48:48.043 --> 00:48:49.545
the rest of it, we were like, whatever,

00:48:49.606 --> 00:48:51.690
we can write the Roger pages to make

00:48:51.730 --> 00:48:52.710
whatever makes sense.

00:48:52.731 --> 00:48:54.974
How many pages is the book going to

00:48:54.994 --> 00:48:55.056
be?

00:48:56.916 --> 00:48:57.777
Last count was,

00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:00.679
we don't have a hard number.

00:49:02.561 --> 00:49:04.963
I've actually taken the time.

00:49:05.003 --> 00:49:05.583
Yeah, you have.

00:49:07.186 --> 00:49:08.367
Without a thank you page,

00:49:08.387 --> 00:49:09.987
we're looking at seventy nine pages of

00:49:10.047 --> 00:49:10.407
print.

00:49:10.829 --> 00:49:11.148
Dope.

00:49:11.289 --> 00:49:11.730
Nice.

00:49:13.074 --> 00:49:14.855
So you're definitely going to get the bang

00:49:14.875 --> 00:49:16.014
for your buck on this one.

00:49:16.034 --> 00:49:17.215
Yes.

00:49:17.335 --> 00:49:19.956
Square bound digest size because

00:49:19.996 --> 00:49:22.277
everything the CHK does is digest size.

00:49:23.496 --> 00:49:24.858
So you can easily fit it in your

00:49:24.878 --> 00:49:26.998
back pocket and take it with you on

00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:28.679
the bus, on your commute,

00:49:28.898 --> 00:49:31.219
on your bike ride, whatever.

00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:32.260
Yeah.

00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:32.880
Yeah.

00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:34.661
There's something about the digest size

00:49:34.681 --> 00:49:36.061
that's just the perfect.

00:49:36.081 --> 00:49:36.181
Yeah.

00:49:36.961 --> 00:49:37.681
Yeah.

00:49:38.324 --> 00:49:39.806
You want to scare a mammal while you're

00:49:39.826 --> 00:49:42.786
flying from Atlanta to L.A.?

00:49:43.206 --> 00:49:44.927
You open that fucking thing.

00:49:45.327 --> 00:49:48.889
That's how you do it.

00:49:48.909 --> 00:49:49.150
Yeah.

00:49:49.309 --> 00:49:49.931
That's what's up.

00:49:49.971 --> 00:49:53.331
And I think Duke did one of those

00:49:54.172 --> 00:49:54.612
as well.

00:49:54.632 --> 00:49:56.233
He did an ash can of Greg.

00:49:57.554 --> 00:50:01.275
Because it's got the imposed USDN approved

00:50:01.695 --> 00:50:02.637
logo hidden in it.

00:50:03.697 --> 00:50:04.498
Oh, that's cool.

00:50:04.958 --> 00:50:05.177
Yeah.

00:50:06.362 --> 00:50:07.583
So everybody gets it.

00:50:07.784 --> 00:50:08.463
It's like, Hey,

00:50:08.623 --> 00:50:09.644
use it how you want to use it.

00:50:09.664 --> 00:50:10.545
But this, you know,

00:50:10.585 --> 00:50:12.925
you're USDN approved and I got the whole

00:50:12.985 --> 00:50:13.306
stamp.

00:50:13.387 --> 00:50:14.166
I send it to you.

00:50:14.206 --> 00:50:14.766
It's a thing.

00:50:15.226 --> 00:50:15.748
Hell yeah.

00:50:15.987 --> 00:50:17.007
That's rad.

00:50:17.068 --> 00:50:17.929
That's going to go in.

00:50:17.949 --> 00:50:18.128
Uh-huh.

00:50:18.148 --> 00:50:20.489
So we'll make sure.

00:50:20.530 --> 00:50:21.751
It's definitely a thing.

00:50:21.971 --> 00:50:22.630
It's out there.

00:50:23.110 --> 00:50:23.851
People get it.

00:50:24.391 --> 00:50:24.891
It's real.

00:50:25.411 --> 00:50:26.152
I'll show it to you.

00:50:28.827 --> 00:50:30.028
I like that a lot.

00:50:30.048 --> 00:50:30.449
I might steal that.

00:50:30.469 --> 00:50:31.469
It's how I close out.

00:50:31.690 --> 00:50:33.431
It's how I close out every single clip

00:50:33.490 --> 00:50:33.791
I do.

00:50:33.871 --> 00:50:35.313
It's every single show I do.

00:50:35.753 --> 00:50:37.213
You watch to the very end and the

00:50:37.273 --> 00:50:40.356
stamp comes down and stamps it USDN

00:50:40.376 --> 00:50:40.797
approved.

00:50:40.817 --> 00:50:42.719
That's really cool.

00:50:43.059 --> 00:50:45.000
That's right, man.

00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:47.081
I like that a lot.

00:50:47.561 --> 00:50:48.943
So this thing has gothic horror,

00:50:49.643 --> 00:50:52.786
some psychological thrillers, sci-fi,

00:50:53.226 --> 00:50:55.208
and just some straight up nightmare feel

00:50:55.248 --> 00:50:55.467
like...

00:50:56.427 --> 00:50:57.989
there's some stuff in there that I've seen

00:50:58.030 --> 00:50:59.110
that I cannot unsee.

00:50:59.130 --> 00:51:00.713
And I never want to unsee it because

00:51:01.454 --> 00:51:02.195
it was just like, Ooh,

00:51:02.235 --> 00:51:03.956
I've never thought about that one before,

00:51:05.077 --> 00:51:07.001
which is wrong to think, but it's like,

00:51:08.021 --> 00:51:08.983
that's really cool.

00:51:09.043 --> 00:51:10.003
You know, I've never seen that.

00:51:10.023 --> 00:51:11.885
And I've seen, if it's a horror movie,

00:51:11.907 --> 00:51:12.788
I've probably seen it.

00:51:13.692 --> 00:51:14.652
That was a new one on me.

00:51:14.672 --> 00:51:15.793
And it's, you know,

00:51:15.813 --> 00:51:16.773
which I'm talking about too,

00:51:16.793 --> 00:51:19.815
the cover where he's like slicing through

00:51:19.934 --> 00:51:21.996
and there's some spine showing.

00:51:22.056 --> 00:51:24.077
I was just like, Ooh, yeah.

00:51:24.097 --> 00:51:25.677
Like, like I like that one.

00:51:27.398 --> 00:51:27.697
Yeah.

00:51:27.777 --> 00:51:27.878
Yeah.

00:51:27.898 --> 00:51:29.358
And that's the cool thing about having

00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:33.661
three separate cover artists is like,

00:51:33.900 --> 00:51:34.581
we told each,

00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:37.702
we picked each of those artists based on

00:51:38.463 --> 00:51:40.202
their pitch submission.

00:51:40.443 --> 00:51:41.123
And it was like,

00:51:42.596 --> 00:51:43.396
Just go.

00:51:43.577 --> 00:51:44.536
Just have fun.

00:51:45.717 --> 00:51:48.217
Something horror is all we require.

00:51:49.137 --> 00:51:51.179
The medium, the subject matter,

00:51:51.338 --> 00:51:54.639
the perspective, the look, whatever.

00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:56.061
Totally up to you.

00:51:56.440 --> 00:52:00.021
Just get fucking weird and dark and scary

00:52:00.061 --> 00:52:01.882
and creepy and eerie and

00:52:02.583 --> 00:52:05.726
that's what we got with all three covers

00:52:05.867 --> 00:52:08.751
and so like there's no primary cover

00:52:08.931 --> 00:52:10.914
there's no like oh this is the standard

00:52:10.954 --> 00:52:13.376
cover and then this is the very it's

00:52:13.416 --> 00:52:15.980
like no we we have three letters so

00:52:16.019 --> 00:52:17.521
we have a cover a we have a

00:52:17.561 --> 00:52:19.443
cover h and we have a cover a

00:52:19.605 --> 00:52:20.485
exclamation mark

00:52:22.067 --> 00:52:23.447
Oh, dude, I like that, man.

00:52:24.228 --> 00:52:24.528
Again,

00:52:24.548 --> 00:52:25.949
you go back to marketing one-on-one.

00:52:25.989 --> 00:52:27.391
That's marketing right there.

00:52:27.411 --> 00:52:29.052
That's right.

00:52:29.072 --> 00:52:30.514
I know a thing or two because I've

00:52:30.614 --> 00:52:31.855
worked a job or two.

00:52:34.356 --> 00:52:35.056
Or thirteen.

00:52:35.356 --> 00:52:37.157
It doesn't matter.

00:52:37.438 --> 00:52:40.400
It's just a matter of whichever one calls

00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:41.882
to you, do it.

00:52:41.981 --> 00:52:43.043
And if multiple do,

00:52:43.322 --> 00:52:45.505
we have prints of just the artwork of

00:52:45.525 --> 00:52:46.065
the covers.

00:52:46.545 --> 00:52:46.644
And

00:52:47.606 --> 00:52:49.447
if I can get ahold of Yosefa and

00:52:49.487 --> 00:52:49.927
say, Hey,

00:52:49.987 --> 00:52:52.510
can I get the original artwork for your

00:52:52.550 --> 00:52:53.030
cover?

00:52:53.510 --> 00:52:54.452
I would love that.

00:52:54.891 --> 00:52:56.893
Cause she like hand painted that.

00:52:57.273 --> 00:53:00.777
It's so good.

00:53:00.856 --> 00:53:03.739
And I just like, I just, I'm a,

00:53:03.759 --> 00:53:05.199
I'm a glutton for paying a ton of

00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:06.782
money for shipping from Israel.

00:53:08.262 --> 00:53:10.565
But like, I want that cover art.

00:53:11.425 --> 00:53:14.027
And so if she sees this before I

00:53:14.047 --> 00:53:15.829
have a chance to actually connect with her

00:53:15.869 --> 00:53:18.110
directly, can I just buy that from you?

00:53:18.130 --> 00:53:20.512
Because I want it.

00:53:20.992 --> 00:53:23.914
I want her like, it's so fucking good.

00:53:25.255 --> 00:53:27.797
And all three of them are excellent and

00:53:27.817 --> 00:53:29.398
they're way beyond anything I could have

00:53:29.438 --> 00:53:31.579
possibly imagined to come up with to give

00:53:31.619 --> 00:53:32.260
direction for.

00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:34.282
But like, man,

00:53:34.302 --> 00:53:35.963
there's something about a hand painted

00:53:36.023 --> 00:53:36.884
watercolor,

00:53:37.465 --> 00:53:40.306
like sea monster with a cult doing

00:53:40.447 --> 00:53:41.688
sacrifices to this.

00:53:42.148 --> 00:53:43.449
Oh, it's so good, man.

00:53:43.588 --> 00:53:45.150
It's like every time,

00:53:45.871 --> 00:53:48.092
like when Peach Momoko drops something new

00:53:48.132 --> 00:53:48.592
like that,

00:53:48.773 --> 00:53:51.155
it's all watercolor and traditional.

00:53:51.335 --> 00:53:53.617
And I'm like, yep.

00:53:54.454 --> 00:53:56.795
In an age of AI and computers,

00:53:56.956 --> 00:54:00.438
give me analog, give me painted,

00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:01.579
especially water.

00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:04.222
I will always love watercolor.

00:54:04.362 --> 00:54:06.704
And if Peach Momoko's name is on the

00:54:06.744 --> 00:54:09.367
front, just take my money.

00:54:10.186 --> 00:54:11.347
Yeah, man.

00:54:11.367 --> 00:54:12.469
I don't even read that book,

00:54:12.509 --> 00:54:13.510
but it's Peach Momoko.

00:54:13.849 --> 00:54:14.630
Yeah, it doesn't matter.

00:54:18.173 --> 00:54:21.036
It's like you see a Scotty Young cover

00:54:21.056 --> 00:54:21.657
and you're like,

00:54:24.137 --> 00:54:26.458
i think there's a david nakayama covering

00:54:26.478 --> 00:54:30.360
this too damn yeah like scotty i remember

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.501
that time you were in northern kentucky

00:54:32.641 --> 00:54:35.001
and i was the volunteer that was working

00:54:35.081 --> 00:54:37.902
your con table and someone mistook me for

00:54:37.963 --> 00:54:40.503
you because you were working a panel and

00:54:40.643 --> 00:54:41.764
this guy came up to me and like

00:54:41.804 --> 00:54:43.304
poured his heart out to me thinking i

00:54:43.324 --> 00:54:45.905
was scotty young oh yeah scotty's just

00:54:45.925 --> 00:54:46.907
sitting there coloring

00:54:47.547 --> 00:54:49.188
Dude, Scotty was in a panel.

00:54:49.268 --> 00:54:51.047
So I was just standing next to the

00:54:51.088 --> 00:54:54.188
table and it broke me to be like,

00:54:54.768 --> 00:54:56.469
man, I love what you just said.

00:54:57.090 --> 00:54:58.010
I'm not Scotty.

00:54:58.030 --> 00:54:59.969
Scotty would love it too.

00:55:00.150 --> 00:55:01.471
For a half a second,

00:55:01.751 --> 00:55:03.530
I considered just rolling with it.

00:55:03.791 --> 00:55:06.632
Thanks, man.

00:55:06.672 --> 00:55:08.213
That means so much to me.

00:55:08.512 --> 00:55:09.393
That's cool as shit.

00:55:09.552 --> 00:55:11.353
But I could see him talking to his

00:55:11.414 --> 00:55:12.954
other table, maybe he's another vendor.

00:55:13.393 --> 00:55:14.835
i could see him talking and like looking

00:55:14.934 --> 00:55:17.195
over and like getting up and just being

00:55:17.295 --> 00:55:19.856
anxious and all the things yeah and so

00:55:20.056 --> 00:55:21.157
i let him do the whole spiel and

00:55:21.177 --> 00:55:22.438
i was like now that you've practiced it

00:55:22.898 --> 00:55:25.400
when scotty's done with his panel and

00:55:25.460 --> 00:55:28.161
comes back please come back you can tell

00:55:28.222 --> 00:55:30.603
him and it'll be so much better like

00:55:30.682 --> 00:55:32.983
yeah it's gonna land with him man like

00:55:33.023 --> 00:55:35.144
please i mean scotty's a good dude so

00:55:35.344 --> 00:55:37.266
yeah he is he like he gave me

00:55:37.286 --> 00:55:39.306
a couple prints just for standing at his

00:55:39.347 --> 00:55:40.407
table and i was like dude yeah

00:55:41.047 --> 00:55:43.248
I just was randomly assigned to your

00:55:43.789 --> 00:55:43.989
table.

00:55:44.028 --> 00:55:45.248
Did you read Lovesick?

00:55:46.028 --> 00:55:46.268
Yeah.

00:55:46.829 --> 00:55:47.949
From Luanna Vecchio?

00:55:48.349 --> 00:55:48.630
Yeah.

00:55:49.409 --> 00:55:51.990
So she was at the Comic-Con I'm going

00:55:52.010 --> 00:55:54.570
to tomorrow last year.

00:55:54.710 --> 00:55:58.731
And I kind of knew who she was.

00:55:58.871 --> 00:55:59.873
I've read Lovesick.

00:56:00.112 --> 00:56:00.733
Great book.

00:56:00.793 --> 00:56:03.313
I have it in floppies and I have

00:56:03.353 --> 00:56:04.434
the hardbacks in both.

00:56:04.873 --> 00:56:05.233
Oh, nice.

00:56:05.634 --> 00:56:07.614
And both doll parts and Lovesick,

00:56:07.894 --> 00:56:08.454
a doll part.

00:56:08.494 --> 00:56:08.835
Sorry.

00:56:10.126 --> 00:56:10.867
or doll parts.

00:56:10.887 --> 00:56:11.746
I love sick story.

00:56:12.068 --> 00:56:12.248
Yeah.

00:56:12.867 --> 00:56:14.809
And you meet her and she's like the

00:56:14.989 --> 00:56:15.630
sweetest little,

00:56:15.670 --> 00:56:17.692
I think she's Italian or French.

00:56:17.791 --> 00:56:19.853
I can't remember which.

00:56:20.074 --> 00:56:21.054
I think she's Italian.

00:56:21.434 --> 00:56:21.695
Yeah.

00:56:21.996 --> 00:56:22.356
But she's,

00:56:22.556 --> 00:56:26.079
she's like this super tiny little human

00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:26.559
being.

00:56:27.721 --> 00:56:29.521
And she's just like,

00:56:30.603 --> 00:56:32.485
you wrote something very sick,

00:56:33.284 --> 00:56:35.927
very twisted in such a delightfully

00:56:35.987 --> 00:56:37.007
amusing way.

00:56:37.248 --> 00:56:37.449
Yep.

00:56:38.690 --> 00:56:39.010
Like,

00:56:40.389 --> 00:56:42.172
what's really wrong with you though?

00:56:42.253 --> 00:56:43.715
Really?

00:56:43.755 --> 00:56:45.257
Because it's such, it's like,

00:56:45.938 --> 00:56:47.900
because when you see her and you,

00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:49.342
you see the book and you read the

00:56:49.382 --> 00:56:51.686
book and you're like two and two is

00:56:51.726 --> 00:56:53.248
an equal at five right here.

00:56:53.489 --> 00:56:53.608
Yep.

00:56:54.740 --> 00:56:55.860
But it's like so good.

00:56:56.001 --> 00:56:57.382
I had to get them all signed and

00:56:57.782 --> 00:56:58.681
I got the poster.

00:56:58.722 --> 00:56:59.842
I got the whole nine.

00:56:59.942 --> 00:57:02.402
And because how often are you going to

00:57:02.422 --> 00:57:04.402
get the chance to like actually meet her?

00:57:04.483 --> 00:57:06.063
Right.

00:57:06.242 --> 00:57:06.704
Yeah.

00:57:06.724 --> 00:57:07.784
It's like Tula was there as well.

00:57:07.824 --> 00:57:08.463
Tula Latoy.

00:57:08.483 --> 00:57:10.304
She's, of course, from the UK.

00:57:10.324 --> 00:57:10.664
Yeah.

00:57:11.445 --> 00:57:13.864
And she had her like she does a

00:57:13.945 --> 00:57:15.846
limited print of art books every single

00:57:15.865 --> 00:57:16.146
year.

00:57:16.865 --> 00:57:17.565
And they're only about.

00:57:18.277 --> 00:57:20.737
yay big, but it's all her original work.

00:57:21.759 --> 00:57:24.239
And like, I really wanted that.

00:57:24.500 --> 00:57:25.440
And I have like,

00:57:25.460 --> 00:57:26.681
so she had just released a couple of

00:57:26.701 --> 00:57:29.021
covers for a couple of books from image.

00:57:29.081 --> 00:57:31.222
And I think one from boom studios,

00:57:31.242 --> 00:57:34.324
I think it was her cover for kind

00:57:34.344 --> 00:57:35.204
of rose me story.

00:57:35.244 --> 00:57:35.565
Yeah.

00:57:37.876 --> 00:57:39.818
uh, ester system at six hundred pen.

00:57:39.838 --> 00:57:41.639
Oh yeah.

00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:41.778
Yeah.

00:57:41.798 --> 00:57:42.458
And, um,

00:57:42.998 --> 00:57:44.519
I was getting that signed and she had,

00:57:44.739 --> 00:57:46.059
it was another one on dark horse that

00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:47.201
had come out around the same time.

00:57:47.221 --> 00:57:48.481
So I had these books to get signed

00:57:48.541 --> 00:57:49.601
and I look over and there's her,

00:57:49.802 --> 00:57:50.541
her art book.

00:57:50.942 --> 00:57:51.442
I was like,

00:57:52.063 --> 00:57:52.963
is that what I think it is?

00:57:53.182 --> 00:57:53.543
She's like,

00:57:53.762 --> 00:57:55.103
were you looking for an art book?

00:57:55.123 --> 00:57:56.884
I was like, yep.

00:57:56.903 --> 00:57:58.505
She's like, then that's it.

00:57:58.525 --> 00:58:00.686
Is that the new one or the old

00:58:00.786 --> 00:58:00.885
one?

00:58:00.905 --> 00:58:01.806
She's like, it's the new one.

00:58:02.025 --> 00:58:02.387
She's like,

00:58:02.427 --> 00:58:03.467
and then she pulls out the old one

00:58:03.487 --> 00:58:03.766
as well.

00:58:03.786 --> 00:58:05.347
I was like, just give me both.

00:58:05.407 --> 00:58:05.507
Um,

00:58:06.628 --> 00:58:07.068
You know,

00:58:07.228 --> 00:58:08.931
just send me with a good time, Tula.

00:58:09.050 --> 00:58:10.672
And Tinny Howard was there.

00:58:10.833 --> 00:58:12.775
Tinny Howard was there unadvertised.

00:58:13.255 --> 00:58:13.737
She's like,

00:58:13.757 --> 00:58:15.018
I've been advertised the whole time.

00:58:15.038 --> 00:58:15.398
She's like,

00:58:15.418 --> 00:58:16.880
you're not the first person to say that.

00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:18.621
They didn't advertise me on the website,

00:58:19.043 --> 00:58:20.744
but I've been booked the entire time.

00:58:21.226 --> 00:58:21.706
I'm like, well,

00:58:21.726 --> 00:58:23.708
they did a really poor job of advertising

00:58:23.768 --> 00:58:23.829
it.

00:58:23.849 --> 00:58:24.929
I'm like, do you know who you are?

00:58:24.949 --> 00:58:25.971
You're freaking Tinny Howard.

00:58:27.012 --> 00:58:28.112
I don't know who you are.

00:58:28.132 --> 00:58:28.512
I'm like,

00:58:30.313 --> 00:58:32.293
you literally wrote some of the best Rick

00:58:32.313 --> 00:58:34.494
and Morty issues out.

00:58:34.514 --> 00:58:34.594
Yeah.

00:58:35.436 --> 00:58:36.335
She's like, yeah, I know.

00:58:36.916 --> 00:58:37.215
I'm like,

00:58:37.235 --> 00:58:38.416
I didn't bring any Rick and Morty with

00:58:38.516 --> 00:58:38.677
me.

00:58:39.277 --> 00:58:41.438
And she's like, like this.

00:58:41.458 --> 00:58:42.978
I was like, give me that.

00:58:42.998 --> 00:58:44.699
I was like, yep.

00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:45.039
Take it.

00:58:46.556 --> 00:58:49.936
I had to literally buy that off of

00:58:49.956 --> 00:58:50.697
her, but I was like,

00:58:50.797 --> 00:58:53.717
I would rather buy it than not take

00:58:53.757 --> 00:58:56.739
this opportunity to talk to her and get

00:58:56.780 --> 00:58:57.599
her autograph.

00:58:57.719 --> 00:58:59.840
I think J. Scott Campbell was there,

00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:01.420
so I got some Ninja Turtles stuff signed

00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:01.940
as well.

00:59:02.001 --> 00:59:05.402
He's got to get his Ninja Turtles signed.

00:59:06.583 --> 00:59:07.983
When I see Ninja Turtles now,

00:59:08.103 --> 00:59:09.684
I immediately go to him and some of

00:59:09.724 --> 00:59:15.385
his covers he did for The Last Ronin.

00:59:16.701 --> 00:59:16.880
Sorry,

00:59:16.900 --> 00:59:18.603
I got I got slab blast run ins

00:59:18.663 --> 00:59:18.983
over there.

00:59:19.023 --> 00:59:19.724
That's why I was just like,

00:59:19.923 --> 00:59:21.364
I don't want to bring this.

00:59:23.065 --> 00:59:24.246
I know a box it's in.

00:59:25.608 --> 00:59:26.509
It's not even in a box.

00:59:26.548 --> 00:59:28.030
It's literally just sitting on the shelf

00:59:28.070 --> 00:59:28.331
over there.

00:59:28.351 --> 00:59:28.550
Nice.

00:59:29.251 --> 00:59:29.632
Yeah.

00:59:30.713 --> 00:59:31.733
And well,

00:59:31.753 --> 00:59:33.434
that was not what his covers but that's

00:59:33.454 --> 00:59:34.456
the purple rain cover.

00:59:36.974 --> 00:59:37.375
Which I think,

00:59:37.534 --> 00:59:38.815
I forgot what the limit was on that

00:59:38.914 --> 00:59:39.034
one,

00:59:39.054 --> 00:59:40.554
but it was a lot of those produced.

00:59:40.735 --> 00:59:41.795
So when I got the chance to get

00:59:41.815 --> 00:59:43.456
that one, I was like, yes.

00:59:44.096 --> 00:59:44.815
Jumping.

00:59:46.317 --> 00:59:46.856
Exactly.

00:59:47.717 --> 00:59:50.237
So what would y'all think was the biggest

00:59:50.577 --> 00:59:53.679
challenge in building this anthology?

00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:54.458
I mean,

00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:56.898
I know you weeded out sixty-eight people

00:59:57.639 --> 00:59:58.440
to make this book,

00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:01.440
but this had to be something else in

01:00:01.460 --> 01:00:02.661
there that just was like

01:00:03.817 --> 01:00:04.978
How are we going to do that part?

01:00:06.601 --> 01:00:07.282
I mean.

01:00:09.907 --> 01:00:09.947
It.

01:00:12.414 --> 01:00:15.476
It just feels like making our comic.

01:00:16.978 --> 01:00:17.257
Yeah.

01:00:17.818 --> 01:00:18.099
Yes,

01:00:18.179 --> 01:00:21.661
there's way more of us than just the

01:00:21.721 --> 01:00:22.501
two of us.

01:00:23.242 --> 01:00:23.822
Yeah.

01:00:23.902 --> 01:00:26.563
But it's all the same stuff.

01:00:27.244 --> 01:00:29.686
We still have deadlines that we created

01:00:29.806 --> 01:00:32.768
that we are following and everybody else's

01:00:32.807 --> 01:00:33.007
too.

01:00:33.648 --> 01:00:34.309
And like...

01:00:35.168 --> 01:00:38.311
we're still communicating with each other

01:00:39.132 --> 01:00:41.074
and the rest of the creators at like,

01:00:41.114 --> 01:00:43.355
we're still creating a Kickstarter page

01:00:43.414 --> 01:00:46.157
for all of these tiers with images and

01:00:46.177 --> 01:00:46.697
all the things.

01:00:46.898 --> 01:00:50.840
And like, it just, it's, it's the same.

01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:52.001
It's just more.

01:00:52.862 --> 01:00:57.148
But it also doesn't feel like it's crazy.

01:00:57.369 --> 01:01:02.157
Like I haven't felt like it's a ton

01:01:02.197 --> 01:01:05.003
of extra because I'm putting in the same

01:01:05.182 --> 01:01:06.164
amount of work.

01:01:07.539 --> 01:01:08.099
doing it.

01:01:08.181 --> 01:01:08.701
Cause I like,

01:01:08.820 --> 01:01:11.822
I treat creating comics like it's its own

01:01:11.943 --> 01:01:15.806
job so that I can flip into business

01:01:15.865 --> 01:01:18.108
mode and be like, okay, so marketing wise,

01:01:18.148 --> 01:01:19.648
we need to come up with social posts.

01:01:19.728 --> 01:01:21.190
We need to make sure we're posting the

01:01:21.210 --> 01:01:23.192
campaign link and pre follow up prelaunch

01:01:23.251 --> 01:01:26.414
and getting on podcasts that are gracious

01:01:26.574 --> 01:01:28.155
and excellent enough to host us.

01:01:28.896 --> 01:01:30.237
And we need to get the word out

01:01:30.277 --> 01:01:30.617
there.

01:01:30.818 --> 01:01:32.278
And how do we talk about it with

01:01:33.099 --> 01:01:34.681
in real life people and,

01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:36.802
And how do I encourage the creators to

01:01:36.842 --> 01:01:38.143
talk about it as much?

01:01:39.003 --> 01:01:41.746
That's been the part, if anything,

01:01:42.346 --> 01:01:44.588
because we're working with brand new

01:01:44.628 --> 01:01:45.427
creators.

01:01:46.248 --> 01:01:46.708
Some of them,

01:01:46.748 --> 01:01:49.791
this is their first story ever to be

01:01:49.831 --> 01:01:50.411
published.

01:01:50.791 --> 01:01:54.032
And so it's a lot of like,

01:01:54.313 --> 01:01:57.793
I can't expect them to have the same

01:01:57.833 --> 01:01:59.394
understanding that I do,

01:01:59.534 --> 01:02:01.295
having done my show for three years,

01:02:01.356 --> 01:02:03.835
talking to Kickstarter comic creators

01:02:03.976 --> 01:02:04.717
regularly.

01:02:04.757 --> 01:02:06.336
You learn a thing or two, right?

01:02:06.597 --> 01:02:06.817
Yeah.

01:02:06.938 --> 01:02:07.157
Like,

01:02:07.398 --> 01:02:10.559
I can't not think about indie comics

01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:13.840
without also thinking about all of the

01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:15.159
other stuff that goes in.

01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:16.621
Like, you can't just write the script,

01:02:16.641 --> 01:02:17.820
send it off and be done.

01:02:17.940 --> 01:02:19.181
Like, yeah, I made a comic.

01:02:21.782 --> 01:02:23.545
You did the easy part by writing it.

01:02:23.704 --> 01:02:26.708
Now you have to market and promote and

01:02:26.788 --> 01:02:29.389
produce and talk about and get it in

01:02:29.429 --> 01:02:31.210
front of people and convince people that

01:02:31.231 --> 01:02:32.072
they need to buy it.

01:02:32.231 --> 01:02:33.612
Find a printer.

01:02:34.594 --> 01:02:36.175
All the things.

01:02:37.416 --> 01:02:37.777
For me,

01:02:37.836 --> 01:02:39.559
it's a lot like I'm in a very

01:02:39.759 --> 01:02:44.001
unique position where I have a very large

01:02:44.163 --> 01:02:46.925
network of indie comic creators.

01:02:47.085 --> 01:02:47.485
And so...

01:02:48.385 --> 01:02:49.588
There were some people that I was like,

01:02:49.648 --> 01:02:52.731
hey, you've done anthologies.

01:02:53.393 --> 01:02:54.934
What do I need to be thinking about?

01:02:55.456 --> 01:02:58.760
How do I approach... How do I temper?

01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:00.561
How do I have realistic expectations?

01:03:00.601 --> 01:03:02.885
How do I manage all of this stuff?

01:03:03.045 --> 01:03:03.405
And then...

01:03:04.166 --> 01:03:05.547
when it came to printing, it was like,

01:03:05.567 --> 01:03:05.887
well,

01:03:06.047 --> 01:03:07.648
I know a guy that works for this

01:03:08.088 --> 01:03:08.487
place.

01:03:08.568 --> 01:03:08.927
And so like,

01:03:08.967 --> 01:03:10.748
we can talk to him and maybe he

01:03:10.789 --> 01:03:11.688
can hook us up.

01:03:11.748 --> 01:03:12.268
And he did.

01:03:12.809 --> 01:03:14.030
And so like, cool.

01:03:14.090 --> 01:03:16.769
Now we've got a printer and hey,

01:03:16.809 --> 01:03:19.931
we want to do this piece of swag.

01:03:20.050 --> 01:03:21.972
How the hell do we do that?

01:03:22.231 --> 01:03:22.672
I don't know.

01:03:22.751 --> 01:03:24.391
Let's just Google it.

01:03:25.251 --> 01:03:27.893
That's like to your point earlier about

01:03:27.913 --> 01:03:28.032
like,

01:03:28.092 --> 01:03:31.114
how do we bring DIY into making comics?

01:03:31.173 --> 01:03:31.273
Yeah.

01:03:31.773 --> 01:03:36.277
It's not being scared to ask questions.

01:03:36.896 --> 01:03:39.918
If we need a vendor for making something,

01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:42.059
let's just figure that out.

01:03:42.139 --> 01:03:45.302
If I can have access to making buttons

01:03:45.422 --> 01:03:47.824
at my library, how does that work?

01:03:48.184 --> 01:03:48.563
I don't know.

01:03:48.643 --> 01:03:50.585
Let me just email the library and they'll

01:03:50.644 --> 01:03:51.226
figure it out.

01:03:51.306 --> 01:03:53.827
And now here I am about to go

01:03:53.947 --> 01:03:56.748
tomorrow for my third session to make more

01:03:56.789 --> 01:03:57.289
buttons.

01:03:57.548 --> 01:03:57.730
Yeah.

01:03:58.889 --> 01:04:00.771
You just learn by doing.

01:04:01.251 --> 01:04:02.472
And I talk about it a lot on

01:04:02.512 --> 01:04:04.172
my show with other creators of like,

01:04:04.193 --> 01:04:05.454
the only way to make comics is to

01:04:05.514 --> 01:04:06.594
start making comics.

01:04:07.014 --> 01:04:08.856
Like you're never going to know all this

01:04:08.876 --> 01:04:10.657
stuff before.

01:04:11.077 --> 01:04:12.418
There's no perfect time.

01:04:12.438 --> 01:04:13.079
Just like kids.

01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:15.380
There's no perfect time to have kids

01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.081
because it's always a cluster cost.

01:04:20.503 --> 01:04:21.963
It's always something new.

01:04:22.164 --> 01:04:22.724
Like you,

01:04:22.824 --> 01:04:24.965
there's no book that can prepare you for

01:04:25.005 --> 01:04:26.507
a battery up the nose or

01:04:28.967 --> 01:04:29.208
Yeah.

01:04:29.307 --> 01:04:30.788
Like you can't,

01:04:31.188 --> 01:04:32.768
there's no way to prepare for it.

01:04:32.789 --> 01:04:35.829
So just do it and figure it out

01:04:35.869 --> 01:04:36.489
as you go.

01:04:36.710 --> 01:04:39.570
And part of that is being humble enough

01:04:39.590 --> 01:04:42.132
to be like, I don't know everything.

01:04:42.211 --> 01:04:43.632
Can I ask you a question?

01:04:43.672 --> 01:04:44.072
You know?

01:04:44.512 --> 01:04:44.853
Yeah.

01:04:44.913 --> 01:04:45.813
That's why I always tell people,

01:04:45.893 --> 01:04:48.094
if you have questions along the way,

01:04:48.253 --> 01:04:50.333
I've learned a thing or two along my

01:04:50.353 --> 01:04:51.235
way as well.

01:04:51.934 --> 01:04:54.135
You don't talk to as many creators as

01:04:54.255 --> 01:04:55.815
I've talked to and not help.

01:04:56.282 --> 01:04:57.324
learned a thing or two.

01:04:58.143 --> 01:04:59.005
And I know Bruno,

01:04:59.284 --> 01:05:00.985
we were talking about Bruno before we went

01:05:01.025 --> 01:05:01.405
live.

01:05:01.606 --> 01:05:02.045
Yeah.

01:05:02.126 --> 01:05:04.067
He has some really great stuff out there

01:05:04.186 --> 01:05:08.989
on his, um, that's not a sub stack.

01:05:09.030 --> 01:05:09.949
It might be a sub stack,

01:05:09.969 --> 01:05:13.112
but he's got like lessons learned that I

01:05:13.152 --> 01:05:14.213
will send to people.

01:05:15.246 --> 01:05:17.289
They're like, hey, I got these questions.

01:05:17.329 --> 01:05:17.630
I'm like,

01:05:17.710 --> 01:05:19.411
I got the perfect thing for those answers.

01:05:19.831 --> 01:05:20.992
I will send it to you as soon

01:05:21.012 --> 01:05:21.554
as we're done.

01:05:22.134 --> 01:05:24.056
I just send them those links from Bruno's

01:05:24.918 --> 01:05:27.420
website or his sub stack of just like,

01:05:27.460 --> 01:05:27.619
hey,

01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:29.583
here's my lessons learned from doing so

01:05:29.623 --> 01:05:31.364
many Kickstarters.

01:05:31.465 --> 01:05:32.766
It's brilliant stuff.

01:05:32.806 --> 01:05:35.128
It's simple, but yet

01:05:36.954 --> 01:05:40.418
You probably haven't thought about it.

01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:42.719
He's learned a lot of stuff.

01:05:43.900 --> 01:05:45.804
He does a new article almost every time.

01:05:45.864 --> 01:05:47.985
He has some more lessons learned.

01:05:48.286 --> 01:05:49.467
He builds off of it.

01:05:50.588 --> 01:05:52.170
They're constantly being updated.

01:05:52.570 --> 01:05:53.771
I think he's up to part three,

01:05:53.791 --> 01:05:54.152
I think.

01:05:55.012 --> 01:05:55.393
Yes.

01:05:55.514 --> 01:05:57.175
It's like, that's what I said to people.

01:05:57.195 --> 01:05:59.275
You can't know what you don't know.

01:06:00.657 --> 01:06:00.836
Right.

01:06:00.896 --> 01:06:00.996
Right.

01:06:01.016 --> 01:06:03.217
So like the only way to figure out

01:06:03.637 --> 01:06:05.619
what even the right questions are to be

01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:06.440
asking, like,

01:06:06.500 --> 01:06:08.782
does page weight matter when you're

01:06:08.842 --> 01:06:09.262
printing?

01:06:09.322 --> 01:06:10.983
Like, do I need sixty pounds?

01:06:11.342 --> 01:06:12.824
Do I need eighty pound?

01:06:12.943 --> 01:06:14.264
Do I need thirty pounds?

01:06:14.284 --> 01:06:15.806
Like, I don't fucking know.

01:06:16.927 --> 01:06:21.431
So like, why does page weight matter?

01:06:21.610 --> 01:06:23.853
And then suddenly you know the question to

01:06:23.873 --> 01:06:25.594
then start asking people like, hey,

01:06:26.956 --> 01:06:28.157
what is page weight?

01:06:28.197 --> 01:06:30.380
Like a single page doesn't weigh sixty

01:06:30.420 --> 01:06:30.780
pounds.

01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:32.181
What the hell are we talking about right

01:06:32.222 --> 01:06:32.342
now?

01:06:33.101 --> 01:06:36.702
And then you learn by talking about it.

01:06:36.822 --> 01:06:38.782
And it's not until you start getting into

01:06:38.802 --> 01:06:40.963
the weeds of like, oh,

01:06:41.123 --> 01:06:44.264
I need to make sure that for print,

01:06:44.463 --> 01:06:47.985
my color profile is CMYK instead of RGB

01:06:48.045 --> 01:06:48.724
for digital.

01:06:49.264 --> 01:06:51.306
And those things matter.

01:06:51.425 --> 01:06:55.887
And I didn't understand why until we

01:06:55.947 --> 01:06:56.967
started doing this.

01:06:57.027 --> 01:06:57.887
Because then I had like...

01:06:58.467 --> 01:06:59.728
the creators were giving us those

01:06:59.748 --> 01:07:00.489
questions like, Hey,

01:07:00.809 --> 01:07:03.092
when I export my image files,

01:07:03.132 --> 01:07:04.554
does that need to be a TIFF or

01:07:04.574 --> 01:07:06.115
a GIF or a ping or a,

01:07:07.456 --> 01:07:10.059
and I'm like, I don't fucking know.

01:07:10.981 --> 01:07:12.362
And he was like, got it.

01:07:12.603 --> 01:07:12.824
Yes.

01:07:12.983 --> 01:07:14.746
Give me this, give me this file format,

01:07:14.766 --> 01:07:16.347
give me this color profile, give me the,

01:07:16.427 --> 01:07:17.349
and I was just like, yeah,

01:07:17.389 --> 01:07:18.048
what he said.

01:07:18.489 --> 01:07:20.030
What the hell does that mean?

01:07:20.050 --> 01:07:22.851
It's wild because when people jump into

01:07:22.871 --> 01:07:23.052
this,

01:07:23.092 --> 01:07:25.452
they don't take that into calculations.

01:07:26.393 --> 01:07:27.213
They're like, oh,

01:07:27.293 --> 01:07:28.853
I'm going to have to make this decision

01:07:28.914 --> 01:07:30.233
and I don't know what it should be.

01:07:31.474 --> 01:07:33.755
This is one of those cases where I

01:07:33.795 --> 01:07:34.936
wouldn't go to Reddit for it because

01:07:34.956 --> 01:07:36.275
you're going to get like fifty million

01:07:36.376 --> 01:07:38.336
answers and they're all right.

01:07:38.936 --> 01:07:39.376
Yes.

01:07:39.456 --> 01:07:39.777
It's like,

01:07:39.856 --> 01:07:41.358
how do I write a comic script?

01:07:41.858 --> 01:07:41.958
Oh,

01:07:41.998 --> 01:07:44.059
there's seventy four thousand different

01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:44.980
ways to write a script.

01:07:45.739 --> 01:07:46.440
Exactly.

01:07:46.460 --> 01:07:48.201
The right way to write it is, however,

01:07:48.221 --> 01:07:49.782
it makes sense to you and your

01:07:49.842 --> 01:07:50.402
collaborator.

01:07:50.422 --> 01:07:50.581
Correct.

01:07:51.362 --> 01:07:51.483
Yes.

01:07:51.523 --> 01:07:52.523
That's the right way.

01:07:53.003 --> 01:07:54.103
The right way is to start.

01:07:54.184 --> 01:07:55.543
Every artist is going to be different.

01:07:55.985 --> 01:07:57.244
Some artists, you can just say, hey,

01:07:57.284 --> 01:07:58.164
here's my story.

01:07:58.706 --> 01:07:59.786
And they're going to go, OK, cool.

01:08:00.126 --> 01:08:01.226
And they're just going to start working.

01:08:01.306 --> 01:08:02.367
And some are going to come back and

01:08:02.387 --> 01:08:04.628
go, hey, in this one scene here,

01:08:04.688 --> 01:08:05.768
you say this.

01:08:05.849 --> 01:08:06.009
Yeah.

01:08:07.795 --> 01:08:08.777
what way are they looking?

01:08:08.817 --> 01:08:09.757
Are they facing the East?

01:08:09.818 --> 01:08:10.739
Are they facing the West?

01:08:10.858 --> 01:08:12.141
I got to know because I need to

01:08:12.181 --> 01:08:13.802
look up where the sun's going to be.

01:08:13.862 --> 01:08:14.422
Yep.

01:08:14.663 --> 01:08:15.043
And you're like,

01:08:15.083 --> 01:08:16.505
you're weeds and seeds in.

01:08:16.524 --> 01:08:18.106
Do you have visual references?

01:08:18.127 --> 01:08:18.306
Yeah.

01:08:18.467 --> 01:08:23.011
Are we talking like marble countertop,

01:08:23.072 --> 01:08:24.453
steel countertop, like,

01:08:24.873 --> 01:08:28.417
just regular wood like what kind of

01:08:28.476 --> 01:08:30.238
countertop is it because it could matter

01:08:30.278 --> 01:08:32.059
later when they're chopping body parts on

01:08:32.118 --> 01:08:34.240
it if the wood is warping or not

01:08:34.301 --> 01:08:36.943
warping because is it water soluble like

01:08:37.002 --> 01:08:38.323
what are we talking about here and you're

01:08:38.344 --> 01:08:40.085
just like oh my god I don't know

01:08:40.125 --> 01:08:42.126
man they're just chopping legs on counters

01:08:42.166 --> 01:08:45.908
like I don't know and what would that

01:08:45.929 --> 01:08:47.569
seem to the bathroom and use the bathtub

01:08:47.609 --> 01:08:49.771
instead yeah you haven't y'all haven't

01:08:49.792 --> 01:08:52.292
even brought up the fact that how that's

01:08:52.353 --> 01:08:52.894
laid out

01:08:53.826 --> 01:08:56.006
you're also affecting the speed at which

01:08:56.046 --> 01:08:58.087
that page gets played out.

01:08:58.889 --> 01:09:00.048
Not just for the artist,

01:09:00.088 --> 01:09:02.470
so like how many panels need to describe

01:09:02.490 --> 01:09:03.511
how this thing is going,

01:09:03.810 --> 01:09:05.252
how big do the panels need to be,

01:09:05.752 --> 01:09:07.993
but also how fast is the reader going

01:09:08.014 --> 01:09:08.793
to read this page?

01:09:10.475 --> 01:09:11.815
I mean, there's so much.

01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:15.921
some artists really need a lot some

01:09:16.402 --> 01:09:17.702
especially once you get comfortable with

01:09:17.721 --> 01:09:20.243
each other you can really yeah really they

01:09:20.503 --> 01:09:23.164
know do these things and that's kind of

01:09:23.204 --> 01:09:25.766
how we are at this point yeah yeah

01:09:25.806 --> 01:09:27.988
some artists i was gonna say some by

01:09:28.047 --> 01:09:30.729
some artists he means he means him yeah

01:09:30.809 --> 01:09:33.411
and some writers he means me yeah because

01:09:33.430 --> 01:09:35.851
i'm like okay so picture it right you've

01:09:35.872 --> 01:09:38.033
been to a music festival that's what i

01:09:38.073 --> 01:09:39.134
want yes

01:09:40.113 --> 01:09:41.534
Two-page spread.

01:09:41.555 --> 01:09:41.854
Go.

01:09:43.095 --> 01:09:43.336
Yes.

01:09:43.956 --> 01:09:44.796
And that's my direction.

01:09:44.817 --> 01:09:46.158
Okay.

01:09:46.198 --> 01:09:46.278
Yeah.

01:09:46.618 --> 01:09:47.018
All right.

01:09:47.057 --> 01:09:47.177
Sure.

01:09:47.217 --> 01:09:47.358
Yeah.

01:09:48.599 --> 01:09:48.878
Got it.

01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:50.180
Fine.

01:09:50.220 --> 01:09:50.640
Not a problem.

01:09:52.360 --> 01:09:53.502
And then that's what's really cool.

01:09:53.662 --> 01:09:55.962
It's like you could tell people who have

01:09:56.002 --> 01:09:57.844
worked, like you look at Tinian,

01:09:58.224 --> 01:09:59.104
Weather Deladera,

01:09:59.145 --> 01:10:00.926
they've been writing together for years

01:10:00.985 --> 01:10:02.386
and years and years now.

01:10:04.087 --> 01:10:05.208
And he probably just says, hey,

01:10:05.248 --> 01:10:05.948
here's the script.

01:10:06.009 --> 01:10:07.649
And Weather goes, cool.

01:10:08.934 --> 01:10:09.574
He goes to work.

01:10:11.997 --> 01:10:17.480
I love looking at Lemire and Serentino.

01:10:18.161 --> 01:10:18.981
Because they did...

01:10:19.884 --> 01:10:21.725
like old man logan they did green arrow

01:10:21.845 --> 01:10:23.445
they did all the bone orchard mythos

01:10:23.485 --> 01:10:25.667
together did they did primordial together

01:10:25.707 --> 01:10:29.108
such a good series like so underrated all

01:10:29.268 --> 01:10:31.970
that gideon falls which is incredible and

01:10:32.010 --> 01:10:35.751
like sorrentino's layouts are so just like

01:10:35.930 --> 01:10:39.773
batshit crazy that i can't help but be

01:10:39.792 --> 01:10:42.654
like how in the hell like what does

01:10:42.715 --> 01:10:45.515
that script look like that sorrentino goes

01:10:47.713 --> 01:10:48.854
Oh yeah, okay.

01:10:48.875 --> 01:10:53.077
Seventy-four pixels of squares to show one

01:10:53.157 --> 01:10:53.698
picture,

01:10:54.238 --> 01:10:56.779
but behind those is something completely

01:10:56.859 --> 01:10:59.180
different because subtext.

01:10:59.621 --> 01:11:01.042
And I'm just reading it and I'm like,

01:11:02.262 --> 01:11:02.622
what?

01:11:03.344 --> 01:11:03.623
No.

01:11:03.783 --> 01:11:04.163
How?

01:11:04.384 --> 01:11:04.724
How did?

01:11:05.385 --> 01:11:05.765
What?

01:11:06.244 --> 01:11:08.886
And it's because... Dude,

01:11:09.726 --> 01:11:11.347
I'm still waiting for Starseed.

01:11:11.849 --> 01:11:13.590
They were supposed to release Starseed.

01:11:14.390 --> 01:11:15.551
This is my current gripe.

01:11:15.570 --> 01:11:17.072
Ha ha ha!

01:11:17.311 --> 01:11:19.434
I am because I went back and I

01:11:19.453 --> 01:11:21.494
was like, they had another book public,

01:11:21.534 --> 01:11:24.198
like planned after ten thousand feathers

01:11:24.858 --> 01:11:27.640
and the passageway and it and tenement and

01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:28.701
it never came out.

01:11:29.121 --> 01:11:30.823
And so I went back to like the

01:11:30.903 --> 01:11:34.826
original Lemire's like first sub stack

01:11:34.865 --> 01:11:36.648
posts, tales from the farm or whatever.

01:11:37.127 --> 01:11:38.708
And I found the graphic that had all

01:11:38.748 --> 01:11:39.869
the planned titles.

01:11:40.130 --> 01:11:41.891
And I was like, yeah, Starseed,

01:11:42.372 --> 01:11:44.373
which was supposed to take horror into

01:11:44.474 --> 01:11:44.894
space,

01:11:44.934 --> 01:11:46.595
which is my favorite subsection of horror.

01:11:48.858 --> 01:11:51.421
It was supposed to come out, I think,

01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:53.023
August of last year.

01:11:53.762 --> 01:11:55.586
And it just never did.

01:11:56.806 --> 01:11:58.908
But they slow rolled that entire series.

01:11:58.929 --> 01:12:01.091
So Ten Thousand Feathers was a very slow

01:12:01.131 --> 01:12:01.471
roll.

01:12:02.292 --> 01:12:03.213
But God bless,

01:12:03.253 --> 01:12:04.756
it was worth every single weight I had

01:12:04.815 --> 01:12:06.377
to do for every single issue.

01:12:06.618 --> 01:12:08.519
That's one that like I picked up the

01:12:08.538 --> 01:12:10.560
floppies and then I bought the hardcover

01:12:11.081 --> 01:12:13.063
because holy shit.

01:12:13.483 --> 01:12:15.243
And I have all the floppies of Gideon

01:12:15.264 --> 01:12:15.664
Falls.

01:12:16.045 --> 01:12:18.086
But when I eventually get money somehow,

01:12:18.587 --> 01:12:20.847
I want to get the two deluxe hardcovers

01:12:21.128 --> 01:12:23.789
of Gideon Falls to just have like,

01:12:24.150 --> 01:12:27.393
it's so, oh my God, it's so good.

01:12:28.012 --> 01:12:29.014
And I just like,

01:12:29.194 --> 01:12:30.996
I look at books like that.

01:12:31.895 --> 01:12:35.798
of like modern horror that are just doing

01:12:35.838 --> 01:12:36.439
it right.

01:12:36.819 --> 01:12:39.322
And I'm like, why does that work?

01:12:40.023 --> 01:12:42.003
And I'm constantly,

01:12:42.024 --> 01:12:43.985
cause my background is in broadcasting.

01:12:44.065 --> 01:12:46.587
And so I'm constantly like analyzing why

01:12:46.648 --> 01:12:49.029
things work and why they get an emotional

01:12:49.090 --> 01:12:49.831
rise out of me.

01:12:50.310 --> 01:12:53.172
And when I'm looking at movies, it's like,

01:12:53.332 --> 01:12:54.253
oh, well they're like,

01:12:54.333 --> 01:12:57.317
if you use effective sound scapes,

01:12:57.497 --> 01:12:58.537
like really well,

01:12:59.238 --> 01:13:00.679
then it's going to get me every time.

01:13:00.819 --> 01:13:01.859
And it's like,

01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:02.980
it's not that I get scared.

01:13:03.041 --> 01:13:05.203
It just raises the hair on my arm.

01:13:05.302 --> 01:13:05.743
It does.

01:13:05.764 --> 01:13:07.465
And that's what it's meant to do, right?

01:13:07.524 --> 01:13:09.867
It's meant to just kind of like give

01:13:09.886 --> 01:13:10.127
me that,

01:13:10.287 --> 01:13:12.208
the goosebumps and you feel the hair on

01:13:12.229 --> 01:13:13.149
the back of your neck,

01:13:13.170 --> 01:13:14.690
stand up the proper way.

01:13:15.252 --> 01:13:17.393
And even comic books can do it too,

01:13:17.412 --> 01:13:17.774
man.

01:13:17.833 --> 01:13:18.073
Yeah.

01:13:18.453 --> 01:13:19.493
Dude,

01:13:19.873 --> 01:13:22.295
I have made it my personal mission to

01:13:22.435 --> 01:13:25.895
read as many classic horror comics as I

01:13:25.935 --> 01:13:26.275
can.

01:13:26.916 --> 01:13:29.697
From Vault of Horror to The Phantom

01:13:29.756 --> 01:13:30.356
Stranger,

01:13:30.516 --> 01:13:32.757
I have found I freaking love those.

01:13:33.097 --> 01:13:34.358
The old Ani Press stuff.

01:13:34.377 --> 01:13:34.637
Well,

01:13:35.238 --> 01:13:37.519
Ani Press is doing it right right now.

01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:39.740
When they came back out,

01:13:40.221 --> 01:13:40.782
they were just like,

01:13:40.801 --> 01:13:42.564
we're coming out and we're going balls to

01:13:42.583 --> 01:13:43.145
the wall.

01:13:43.645 --> 01:13:44.947
We're not just doing one.

01:13:46.788 --> 01:13:48.069
Buckle up, Buttercup.

01:13:48.850 --> 01:13:51.252
Their sci-fi stuff is on point.

01:13:52.715 --> 01:13:54.497
They had their first spinoff with...

01:13:57.216 --> 01:13:58.117
That was vampire.

01:13:58.417 --> 01:13:58.617
Yeah,

01:13:58.737 --> 01:14:01.439
that was Sorrentino's something blood,

01:14:01.539 --> 01:14:04.603
taste of blood, steeped in blood,

01:14:04.922 --> 01:14:05.724
bloodbath.

01:14:06.304 --> 01:14:08.046
No, it was as a female writer.

01:14:08.145 --> 01:14:11.609
It was her story from the Catacombs of

01:14:11.668 --> 01:14:12.189
Torment.

01:14:12.710 --> 01:14:14.832
It was like a solo running story within

01:14:14.912 --> 01:14:15.051
it.

01:14:15.613 --> 01:14:17.533
And then it ended and then they started

01:14:18.475 --> 01:14:20.016
the Catacombs of Torment actually is the

01:14:20.056 --> 01:14:20.577
second one.

01:14:21.257 --> 01:14:22.378
And then they're like, hey,

01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:23.439
for the first time ever,

01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:26.721
We're going to yank this character out of

01:14:26.761 --> 01:14:28.823
this anthology and we're going to give her

01:14:28.984 --> 01:14:34.028
her own story written by Corrine is her

01:14:34.068 --> 01:14:34.389
name.

01:14:35.750 --> 01:14:35.890
See,

01:14:35.909 --> 01:14:39.893
I know they did that because Google blood

01:14:39.953 --> 01:14:41.514
type is the blood type.

01:14:41.533 --> 01:14:41.715
Yeah.

01:14:42.095 --> 01:14:42.375
Yes.

01:14:42.675 --> 01:14:44.856
So Sorrentino is doing the artwork for

01:14:44.877 --> 01:14:45.256
that one.

01:14:45.618 --> 01:14:45.717
Yeah.

01:14:45.818 --> 01:14:47.779
And it's written by Corrine something.

01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:50.641
Well, let me Google this real quick.

01:14:52.961 --> 01:14:53.801
It starts with a B, I think.

01:14:56.663 --> 01:14:57.225
Of course.

01:14:57.265 --> 01:14:59.707
It's giving me actual blood types.

01:14:59.726 --> 01:15:00.507
Oh, negative.

01:15:00.587 --> 01:15:03.649
You're going to have to get very specific

01:15:03.670 --> 01:15:04.030
on that.

01:15:04.110 --> 01:15:05.792
Honey Press is blood type.

01:15:06.172 --> 01:15:10.015
Fuck.

01:15:11.296 --> 01:15:11.997
Creative team.

01:15:12.158 --> 01:15:12.759
Corinna...

01:15:13.404 --> 01:15:14.203
Betchco?

01:15:15.324 --> 01:15:16.564
Yeah.

01:15:16.645 --> 01:15:17.505
She's so good.

01:15:17.965 --> 01:15:18.645
Yeah,

01:15:18.765 --> 01:15:21.126
I got the free comic book day issue

01:15:21.145 --> 01:15:23.527
that came out last year.

01:15:23.846 --> 01:15:25.387
And I was just like, oh,

01:15:25.408 --> 01:15:26.368
this is so good.

01:15:26.507 --> 01:15:28.248
And then I got the first issue and

01:15:28.269 --> 01:15:29.149
I was like, you know what?

01:15:29.168 --> 01:15:30.368
I'm just going to trade weight it.

01:15:30.429 --> 01:15:30.949
Trade weight it.

01:15:32.497 --> 01:15:33.377
No, I couldn't.

01:15:34.639 --> 01:15:35.198
I could not.

01:15:35.378 --> 01:15:37.359
I got every single issue of Blood Type

01:15:37.579 --> 01:15:38.921
the moment it was rolling out.

01:15:39.180 --> 01:15:41.021
The same with Tini Howard's...

01:15:42.122 --> 01:15:45.503
Was it Tini Howard that did... Oh God,

01:15:45.524 --> 01:15:46.545
what's the name of that book now?

01:15:49.746 --> 01:15:50.726
I'm not going to look it up because

01:15:50.747 --> 01:15:51.466
it'll take too long,

01:15:51.527 --> 01:15:54.047
but her solo series that she had done,

01:15:56.109 --> 01:15:57.350
The Female from Hell.

01:15:57.590 --> 01:16:00.430
Oh God.

01:16:00.530 --> 01:16:01.412
Marion Heretic?

01:16:02.155 --> 01:16:03.337
No, she's doing that one right now.

01:16:03.377 --> 01:16:04.257
That's the current one.

01:16:04.497 --> 01:16:05.479
That one's so good, too.

01:16:05.538 --> 01:16:06.038
God bless.

01:16:06.059 --> 01:16:10.222
That's so good.

01:16:10.342 --> 01:16:10.662
Oh, my God.

01:16:10.682 --> 01:16:11.743
This is going to drive me crazy.

01:16:11.764 --> 01:16:12.225
I'm sorry.

01:16:12.784 --> 01:16:14.686
No, you're good.

01:16:16.028 --> 01:16:17.029
Where is my...

01:16:18.762 --> 01:16:19.823
And I may be off on the name,

01:16:19.863 --> 01:16:20.162
too.

01:16:22.404 --> 01:16:23.404
No, that's DC.

01:16:24.024 --> 01:16:24.925
Sirens.

01:16:25.465 --> 01:16:25.604
No.

01:16:25.664 --> 01:16:28.225
Power Rangers.

01:16:28.265 --> 01:16:29.326
Harley Quinn.

01:16:32.367 --> 01:16:33.867
Trades and Hardcovers.

01:16:34.006 --> 01:16:34.346
Punchline?

01:16:34.426 --> 01:16:34.506
No.

01:16:35.908 --> 01:16:39.269
Oh, Punchline's good, but no.

01:16:39.349 --> 01:16:40.469
It might not be her series.

01:16:40.509 --> 01:16:42.430
I might be completely off on my...

01:16:45.091 --> 01:16:46.231
my writers too.

01:16:47.052 --> 01:16:48.154
And I don't know why I keep opening

01:16:48.194 --> 01:16:49.836
up the same out like five times in

01:16:49.855 --> 01:16:50.917
a row when I'm trying to go to

01:16:51.296 --> 01:16:51.738
Instagram.

01:16:51.757 --> 01:16:55.560
That's great.

01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:57.302
Why does my finger keep clicking the wrong

01:16:57.342 --> 01:16:57.823
thing?

01:16:58.819 --> 01:17:00.621
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01:17:16.610 --> 01:17:18.591
This is what we call show business, folks.

01:17:18.631 --> 01:17:20.453
It's all about smoke and mirrors.

01:17:20.733 --> 01:17:21.213
Remember,

01:17:21.753 --> 01:17:26.817
did you watch the Netflix series,

01:17:26.856 --> 01:17:28.297
the Archie spinoff, Sabrina?

01:17:29.198 --> 01:17:31.259
Yeah.

01:17:31.939 --> 01:17:33.560
One of the main bad guys.

01:17:33.581 --> 01:17:34.400
What was her name?

01:17:34.780 --> 01:17:35.402
Oh, God.

01:17:36.442 --> 01:17:42.345
Oh, shit.

01:17:42.365 --> 01:17:43.327
It's related to hell.

01:17:43.367 --> 01:17:45.207
She was like... Yeah, yeah.

01:17:46.328 --> 01:17:48.850
I can't remember her name to save my

01:17:48.909 --> 01:17:49.069
life.

01:17:49.090 --> 01:17:50.291
Lucifer Morningstar?

01:17:50.451 --> 01:17:51.070
Lilith.

01:17:51.570 --> 01:17:52.091
Lilith.

01:17:52.391 --> 01:17:54.153
The girl who did Lilith.

01:17:54.493 --> 01:17:55.594
The comic book Lilith.

01:17:56.773 --> 01:17:59.395
Lilith comic book.

01:18:01.855 --> 01:18:03.077
Corinne Howell.

01:18:03.837 --> 01:18:04.377
There you go.

01:18:04.537 --> 01:18:04.797
Her.

01:18:05.037 --> 01:18:06.319
Corinne.

01:18:06.698 --> 01:18:07.118
Yes.

01:18:08.420 --> 01:18:09.621
Now I can't even remember what we were

01:18:09.661 --> 01:18:11.242
talking about in relations to her.

01:18:11.782 --> 01:18:13.143
I don't either, but that was from Vault.

01:18:13.262 --> 01:18:15.623
All those covers are red, black,

01:18:15.644 --> 01:18:16.184
and white.

01:18:16.344 --> 01:18:18.185
I like those covers a lot.

01:18:18.666 --> 01:18:20.646
This series almost didn't get made.

01:18:20.686 --> 01:18:21.747
It got messed up.

01:18:21.927 --> 01:18:23.689
It had to go back to reprint.

01:18:24.596 --> 01:18:26.037
And I was so scared that they were

01:18:26.057 --> 01:18:27.417
just going to cancel it because they

01:18:27.478 --> 01:18:29.238
messed up so many issues.

01:18:30.238 --> 01:18:32.300
But they finally got it figured out.

01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:34.161
They got it reprinted and back on the

01:18:34.180 --> 01:18:34.661
shelves.

01:18:35.280 --> 01:18:35.962
But it was like,

01:18:36.301 --> 01:18:38.243
thank God it's back because it was just

01:18:38.643 --> 01:18:39.682
such a good book.

01:18:41.823 --> 01:18:43.284
It's like she's trying to get back this

01:18:43.364 --> 01:18:45.664
book from hell in order to help herself

01:18:45.685 --> 01:18:47.145
get back to hell.

01:18:47.765 --> 01:18:48.867
Oh, that sounds cool.

01:18:49.327 --> 01:18:51.188
But she can't actually take the book

01:18:51.228 --> 01:18:51.768
herself.

01:18:52.673 --> 01:18:53.454
You know what I'm saying?

01:18:53.694 --> 01:18:55.917
That's awesome.

01:18:56.497 --> 01:18:57.158
Very cool.

01:18:57.417 --> 01:18:59.019
And the person who has the book,

01:18:59.038 --> 01:19:01.881
she is also helping to learn the book.

01:19:02.481 --> 01:19:05.123
So it's been such a good story.

01:19:06.164 --> 01:19:07.206
And I was just like, oh,

01:19:07.225 --> 01:19:08.247
thank God it got made.

01:19:08.327 --> 01:19:10.988
And as soon as the final issue come

01:19:11.069 --> 01:19:12.609
out and then when they announced the

01:19:12.729 --> 01:19:14.931
hardback was coming out, I was just like,

01:19:14.952 --> 01:19:18.215
wait.

01:19:18.234 --> 01:19:19.015
There it is.

01:19:19.235 --> 01:19:19.716
Mine.

01:19:19.735 --> 01:19:19.815
Yeah.

01:19:21.248 --> 01:19:22.869
Indubitably, sir.

01:19:23.109 --> 01:19:23.189
Yeah,

01:19:23.270 --> 01:19:25.149
it's like Geiger and all the stuff from

01:19:25.630 --> 01:19:26.170
Ghost Machine.

01:19:26.189 --> 01:19:27.270
Geiger's so good.

01:19:27.310 --> 01:19:29.390
The moment it hits trade paperback and the

01:19:29.530 --> 01:19:31.072
moment it hits hardback, I'm just like,

01:19:31.231 --> 01:19:33.412
mine, mine, mine, mine.

01:19:33.432 --> 01:19:36.052
Just skipping through the comic book

01:19:36.193 --> 01:19:36.453
aisles.

01:19:36.993 --> 01:19:38.413
Dude, yeah.

01:19:38.533 --> 01:19:40.135
Oh, Geoff Johns has something new.

01:19:40.175 --> 01:19:40.715
What's he got?

01:19:40.734 --> 01:19:44.136
Yep.

01:19:44.355 --> 01:19:45.576
He's put together like some,

01:19:46.136 --> 01:19:47.457
he pulled a tinny in on the other

01:19:47.476 --> 01:19:48.077
side, right?

01:19:48.377 --> 01:19:48.577
Yeah.

01:19:49.507 --> 01:19:51.590
So it's been great just watching those

01:19:51.670 --> 01:19:53.572
guys like put all their stuff together.

01:19:53.591 --> 01:19:55.872
And it's all one big collective world of

01:19:55.974 --> 01:19:56.854
storytelling.

01:19:57.475 --> 01:19:58.996
Like they own their own work.

01:19:59.195 --> 01:20:00.497
They're imaging within image.

01:20:00.938 --> 01:20:03.239
Yeah.

01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:06.622
They're doing OG image on the image

01:20:06.783 --> 01:20:07.403
imprint.

01:20:07.622 --> 01:20:08.344
Exactly.

01:20:08.363 --> 01:20:08.623
It's insane.

01:20:10.005 --> 01:20:11.025
Yeah.

01:20:11.065 --> 01:20:12.106
But let's talk about some of these

01:20:12.146 --> 01:20:12.488
stories.

01:20:12.507 --> 01:20:13.609
You got the hang woman.

01:20:14.523 --> 01:20:16.543
Hits the Moon, Pete's Meat, which is,

01:20:17.005 --> 01:20:19.726
I love that title, and then Artifacts.

01:20:21.488 --> 01:20:23.368
And Pete's Meat is the comic cover we

01:20:23.408 --> 01:20:24.310
were talking about earlier.

01:20:24.590 --> 01:20:26.211
That's the cover for that one, I believe.

01:20:28.612 --> 01:20:30.474
Pete's Meat's the story I drew, actually.

01:20:30.573 --> 01:20:31.033
Oh, is it?

01:20:31.054 --> 01:20:31.613
Okay.

01:20:32.614 --> 01:20:35.777
Travis did throw in inks on that,

01:20:35.957 --> 01:20:38.998
and when I was showing the art after

01:20:39.038 --> 01:20:39.779
I got it colored,

01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:41.520
him and Vaughn both were like,

01:20:42.395 --> 01:20:43.877
on the page where it starts to really

01:20:43.896 --> 01:20:44.198
punch.

01:20:44.217 --> 01:20:45.479
It's only a four page story.

01:20:45.698 --> 01:20:48.001
They're like, that's fucking gross.

01:20:48.701 --> 01:20:48.860
Dude.

01:20:48.900 --> 01:20:49.881
It's awesome though.

01:20:49.942 --> 01:20:51.082
When he's looking at that can,

01:20:51.122 --> 01:20:53.324
it says Steve on the front of it.

01:20:53.345 --> 01:20:54.645
I remember what names on the front of

01:20:54.685 --> 01:20:56.948
it, but it's just like Pete's meats.

01:20:57.007 --> 01:20:58.368
And it's like, Tom.

01:20:58.389 --> 01:20:58.469
Yeah.

01:21:00.409 --> 01:21:00.850
Let's just say Tom.

01:21:00.871 --> 01:21:00.970
Yeah.

01:21:01.030 --> 01:21:03.832
Just enjoy your food, son.

01:21:05.614 --> 01:21:06.354
Don't think about it.

01:21:06.414 --> 01:21:08.337
Just, yeah, exactly.

01:21:08.356 --> 01:21:08.457
Yeah.

01:21:09.926 --> 01:21:11.606
So I had a question on here about

01:21:11.667 --> 01:21:13.167
what ties all these together.

01:21:13.207 --> 01:21:14.408
And the only thing that's tying these

01:21:14.427 --> 01:21:16.729
together is it's still new creators.

01:21:16.748 --> 01:21:17.029
Yep.

01:21:17.109 --> 01:21:18.390
Yep.

01:21:18.430 --> 01:21:19.130
New creators.

01:21:19.170 --> 01:21:20.970
And then in the book itself, Roger.

01:21:20.990 --> 01:21:21.051
Yes.

01:21:22.971 --> 01:21:25.893
What we're doing is Roger is throwing a

01:21:25.972 --> 01:21:29.975
death party and all of the creators are

01:21:30.854 --> 01:21:33.636
have contributed to the death party in

01:21:33.735 --> 01:21:35.157
some way, shape or fashion.

01:21:35.176 --> 01:21:35.256
Yeah.

01:21:35.277 --> 01:21:35.417
Yeah.

01:21:36.417 --> 01:21:37.217
And so it's,

01:21:37.398 --> 01:21:41.680
it's something top secret that Kay and I

01:21:41.701 --> 01:21:42.220
are doing.

01:21:42.841 --> 01:21:44.762
Is it going to be similar to the,

01:21:46.703 --> 01:21:48.765
the American horror story season where

01:21:48.786 --> 01:21:49.586
they're at the hotel?

01:21:51.186 --> 01:21:53.828
He's bringing in all the world's greatest

01:21:53.868 --> 01:21:54.989
serial killers together.

01:21:57.347 --> 01:22:00.408
for a meal that's pretty dope somewhat

01:22:00.469 --> 01:22:02.909
somewhat like yeah yeah because i don't

01:22:02.930 --> 01:22:03.909
know why even he said he's bringing them

01:22:03.930 --> 01:22:05.551
all together my head went american horror

01:22:05.591 --> 01:22:07.631
story to what i think the name of

01:22:07.652 --> 01:22:09.891
the season was actually hotel it was when

01:22:09.912 --> 01:22:11.712
the first season with lady gaga who was

01:22:11.773 --> 01:22:14.073
brilliant in that by the way yeah yeah

01:22:14.113 --> 01:22:16.173
that was a great season yeah and then

01:22:16.194 --> 01:22:18.414
he's like bringing in all the world's most

01:22:18.454 --> 01:22:20.836
famous serial killers to one spot and it's

01:22:20.855 --> 01:22:21.235
just like

01:22:22.608 --> 01:22:22.787
Yeah.

01:22:22.828 --> 01:22:23.307
So there's,

01:22:23.488 --> 01:22:25.609
there's a price that everybody has to pay

01:22:25.630 --> 01:22:26.869
to join the death party.

01:22:27.610 --> 01:22:30.391
And that's what slowly is unraveling.

01:22:30.511 --> 01:22:31.212
Yeah.

01:22:31.313 --> 01:22:33.253
As the anthology goes on.

01:22:33.314 --> 01:22:35.755
So Roger has his own story.

01:22:36.256 --> 01:22:38.436
He's not just a nebulous,

01:22:38.716 --> 01:22:40.478
like terrifying mannequin.

01:22:40.497 --> 01:22:41.918
Yeah.

01:22:42.139 --> 01:22:44.479
He's got his own story that those with

01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:48.601
a keen eye will pick up on as

01:22:48.681 --> 01:22:50.523
the store, as aha progresses.

01:22:50.603 --> 01:22:50.884
Yeah.

01:22:50.984 --> 01:22:51.384
Yeah.

01:22:53.836 --> 01:22:55.256
Dude, I like it.

01:22:55.337 --> 01:22:56.778
And I'm glad you're both here because I

01:22:56.797 --> 01:22:57.797
know you're both working on it.

01:22:58.939 --> 01:23:01.720
Let's spotlight the proposal.

01:23:01.739 --> 01:23:02.220
Let's.

01:23:02.300 --> 01:23:04.701
Because I know it's yours.

01:23:05.902 --> 01:23:07.363
Yeah.

01:23:07.643 --> 01:23:08.863
So a camping trip,

01:23:09.264 --> 01:23:10.863
a relationship milestone,

01:23:11.645 --> 01:23:13.125
a moment that is supposed to be

01:23:13.305 --> 01:23:17.948
meaningful, and then it feels off.

01:23:19.047 --> 01:23:20.069
What sparked this?

01:23:21.203 --> 01:23:24.225
So I, I,

01:23:24.286 --> 01:23:25.926
it'd be crystal late type of feel,

01:23:25.966 --> 01:23:27.407
but in a better way.

01:23:27.426 --> 01:23:30.429
It, yeah, it, so I,

01:23:31.009 --> 01:23:36.030
I've been really into like folklore and

01:23:36.351 --> 01:23:37.811
just like reading.

01:23:38.032 --> 01:23:41.253
So I'm like a tribal card member carrying

01:23:41.314 --> 01:23:43.854
of the Abenaki tribe, um,

01:23:44.095 --> 01:23:45.155
indigenous peoples,

01:23:45.756 --> 01:23:47.016
part of the Miss Aquav,

01:23:47.056 --> 01:23:48.177
like larger umbrella.

01:23:48.337 --> 01:23:48.818
Yeah.

01:23:48.858 --> 01:23:48.898
Um,

01:23:49.297 --> 01:23:52.019
And so as part of like my journey

01:23:52.059 --> 01:23:53.880
of discovery, I'm calling it,

01:23:54.500 --> 01:23:57.360
it's like reading into the Abnaki beliefs

01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:00.502
and the mythology that the tribe had and

01:24:00.542 --> 01:24:01.403
all of these things.

01:24:02.002 --> 01:24:04.123
And then that led me into a path

01:24:04.184 --> 01:24:07.104
of reading just like there's some weird

01:24:07.164 --> 01:24:08.725
shit that they believe.

01:24:08.765 --> 01:24:10.306
That's how we got skinwalkers.

01:24:11.346 --> 01:24:11.466
Yeah.

01:24:11.627 --> 01:24:12.568
Like, yeah, like,

01:24:12.608 --> 01:24:15.712
Skinwalkers are the Western, like,

01:24:15.731 --> 01:24:17.654
the Apache and the Blackfeet.

01:24:17.713 --> 01:24:20.277
Like, it's all from their folklore.

01:24:20.796 --> 01:24:22.559
And so it's like, well, what other...

01:24:23.449 --> 01:24:26.871
what other weird shit is there in other

01:24:26.970 --> 01:24:28.411
cultures folklore?

01:24:28.530 --> 01:24:29.070
And so I was,

01:24:29.211 --> 01:24:31.131
I've been reading a ton into that anyway.

01:24:31.771 --> 01:24:34.171
And I had called Alex and I was

01:24:34.192 --> 01:24:34.872
like, listen, man,

01:24:34.893 --> 01:24:36.613
like we got to figure out, like,

01:24:36.792 --> 01:24:38.533
I want to write a story that tailors

01:24:38.552 --> 01:24:40.134
to what you want to draw.

01:24:40.154 --> 01:24:41.134
Cause I want you to have as much

01:24:41.173 --> 01:24:42.894
fun drawing as I am going to have

01:24:42.934 --> 01:24:43.314
writing.

01:24:43.975 --> 01:24:45.555
So like, what do you want to do?

01:24:45.635 --> 01:24:46.614
And he was like, I don't know, man,

01:24:46.635 --> 01:24:48.154
like monsters and,

01:24:48.335 --> 01:24:50.296
and just like blood baths and, um,

01:24:50.855 --> 01:24:53.886
crazy, just weird gore shit everywhere.

01:24:53.926 --> 01:24:55.170
And I was like, okay, well,

01:24:55.189 --> 01:24:56.673
I'm not into gore for gore's sake,

01:24:56.734 --> 01:24:57.176
but if we...

01:24:58.350 --> 01:25:00.070
I think if we can figure something out,

01:25:00.110 --> 01:25:02.051
we can include some monsters and like,

01:25:02.152 --> 01:25:04.512
I'll look into some of the mythology that

01:25:04.533 --> 01:25:06.052
I've been reading and the folk tales and

01:25:06.092 --> 01:25:06.393
stuff.

01:25:06.412 --> 01:25:06.712
And I'll,

01:25:06.832 --> 01:25:11.573
I'll figure out something that we can tie

01:25:11.634 --> 01:25:13.534
into with the story.

01:25:13.675 --> 01:25:14.774
And so I just kind of like chewed

01:25:14.814 --> 01:25:16.654
on that for a couple of days and

01:25:16.675 --> 01:25:17.515
I was like, okay,

01:25:17.536 --> 01:25:18.456
I think I figured it out.

01:25:18.515 --> 01:25:19.855
How do you feel about this?

01:25:19.935 --> 01:25:20.695
And I don't want to give it away.

01:25:20.716 --> 01:25:22.777
Cause like we're subverting.

01:25:22.817 --> 01:25:23.077
Yeah.

01:25:23.096 --> 01:25:25.157
I'm actually suppressing a lot of the

01:25:25.197 --> 01:25:26.618
stuff I have over here about it.

01:25:26.637 --> 01:25:26.938
Yeah.

01:25:27.398 --> 01:25:28.600
Because I have the synopsis.

01:25:28.619 --> 01:25:30.301
You sent me the synopsis of all the

01:25:30.322 --> 01:25:30.822
stories.

01:25:31.222 --> 01:25:31.743
Yeah.

01:25:31.764 --> 01:25:33.125
And I've just been kind of like dropping

01:25:33.164 --> 01:25:33.305
like.

01:25:35.264 --> 01:25:36.264
Some crumbs, you know,

01:25:36.283 --> 01:25:37.064
something Gretel in,

01:25:37.085 --> 01:25:38.005
I don't want to give too much.

01:25:38.024 --> 01:25:38.145
We're,

01:25:38.826 --> 01:25:42.028
we're very much a smoke and mirrors street

01:25:42.068 --> 01:25:42.488
magic.

01:25:42.568 --> 01:25:44.470
Like look over here as I'm doing something

01:25:44.510 --> 01:25:44.810
over here.

01:25:45.550 --> 01:25:47.652
And so there's something over here is what

01:25:47.692 --> 01:25:50.154
I'm really excited to dig into with him.

01:25:50.793 --> 01:25:52.215
And as soon as I sent him the

01:25:52.274 --> 01:25:54.355
idea, he was like, Oh yeah, dude.

01:25:54.896 --> 01:25:55.556
And so I just,

01:25:55.697 --> 01:25:58.838
I hadn't written anything until my wife

01:25:58.859 --> 01:26:02.122
and I were driving to Florida for like

01:26:02.141 --> 01:26:03.903
a very quick beginning of the year.

01:26:04.603 --> 01:26:06.564
vacation and so we drove down to Florida

01:26:06.604 --> 01:26:08.287
in January and as we were driving through

01:26:08.306 --> 01:26:09.408
the Appalachian Mountains,

01:26:09.969 --> 01:26:11.770
she had taken over because I was just

01:26:11.831 --> 01:26:14.194
exhausted and I slept for a little bit

01:26:14.213 --> 01:26:14.994
and then I woke up and I was

01:26:15.015 --> 01:26:15.135
like,

01:26:16.439 --> 01:26:17.661
oh my God, I have it.

01:26:18.041 --> 01:26:19.801
And I like wrote in,

01:26:19.900 --> 01:26:21.542
I brought my sketchbook with me and I

01:26:21.662 --> 01:26:26.163
wrote the main bones of the story as

01:26:26.203 --> 01:26:27.925
we were driving through the Appalachian

01:26:27.965 --> 01:26:28.505
mountains.

01:26:28.925 --> 01:26:31.386
And that was just the inspiration setting

01:26:31.426 --> 01:26:32.207
that I needed.

01:26:32.787 --> 01:26:33.606
And it just like,

01:26:33.766 --> 01:26:35.587
everything just came dumping out.

01:26:35.988 --> 01:26:38.908
And I literally like took pictures of each

01:26:38.969 --> 01:26:41.770
page synopsis and I sent them to Alex

01:26:41.810 --> 01:26:42.091
and I was like,

01:26:42.251 --> 01:26:43.551
here's what I just came up with.

01:26:43.570 --> 01:26:45.231
And he was like, oh my God, yes.

01:26:46.051 --> 01:26:47.432
And so like it,

01:26:47.653 --> 01:26:49.673
I know that doesn't give any details for

01:26:49.755 --> 01:26:52.716
anything, but it, it really was like,

01:26:52.796 --> 01:26:54.417
how do we tie in?

01:26:55.097 --> 01:26:56.359
Like I'm, I'm a big,

01:26:57.038 --> 01:26:58.159
I think it's been established.

01:26:58.260 --> 01:27:01.180
I love horror and I, you know,

01:27:01.240 --> 01:27:03.363
read all the classic horror comics and a

01:27:03.462 --> 01:27:05.703
lot of them are quick hits and they

01:27:05.783 --> 01:27:07.305
set you up thinking one thing's going to

01:27:07.345 --> 01:27:07.685
happen.

01:27:07.765 --> 01:27:09.246
And then something completely different

01:27:09.305 --> 01:27:09.806
happens.

01:27:10.606 --> 01:27:12.707
And I wanted that.

01:27:12.828 --> 01:27:13.908
Whose house?

01:27:14.149 --> 01:27:17.170
And so I wanted to give them a

01:27:17.229 --> 01:27:17.810
serve.

01:27:18.409 --> 01:27:21.712
And so I was writing something and it

01:27:21.731 --> 01:27:24.052
was like, oh, it's a cutesy love story.

01:27:24.092 --> 01:27:29.175
And then this thing happens and you're

01:27:29.194 --> 01:27:30.835
like, oh, that's weird.

01:27:30.954 --> 01:27:31.916
I'm uncomfortable with that.

01:27:31.956 --> 01:27:33.516
And then something else happens and it's

01:27:33.537 --> 01:27:35.777
like, oh my God, what the hell?

01:27:36.217 --> 01:27:38.819
And then the final panel happens and it's

01:27:38.979 --> 01:27:39.359
like, oh, you...

01:27:39.679 --> 01:27:40.819
mother father.

01:27:41.421 --> 01:27:43.162
And that's like,

01:27:43.483 --> 01:27:45.363
that's what I wanted to capture.

01:27:45.564 --> 01:27:48.207
And I'm like, I'm real excited about it.

01:27:48.506 --> 01:27:48.606
I,

01:27:48.966 --> 01:27:50.689
I love this story that I came up

01:27:50.729 --> 01:27:53.310
with in the eight pages and seeing the

01:27:53.371 --> 01:27:55.613
preview work from Alex already.

01:27:56.014 --> 01:27:57.274
I'm just like, yes, dude.

01:27:57.314 --> 01:27:58.895
Like every time he sends me a page

01:27:58.916 --> 01:28:00.837
of pencils, I'm like, yes, dude.

01:28:00.978 --> 01:28:02.198
Like, yes.

01:28:02.699 --> 01:28:04.360
Keep pushing that further.

01:28:04.421 --> 01:28:05.561
Like keep going.

01:28:05.783 --> 01:28:06.143
Like,

01:28:06.342 --> 01:28:07.944
I'm not going to ever tell you that's

01:28:08.043 --> 01:28:08.543
too much.

01:28:08.623 --> 01:28:09.125
Maybe draw.

01:28:09.545 --> 01:28:10.904
If anything, not enough.

01:28:10.925 --> 01:28:11.546
Like, give me more.

01:28:11.685 --> 01:28:12.246
Give me more.

01:28:12.466 --> 01:28:13.006
Give me more.

01:28:13.346 --> 01:28:14.306
You're at eight.

01:28:14.327 --> 01:28:15.728
I'm thinking of eleven here.

01:28:15.787 --> 01:28:17.128
Yeah, I would really.

01:28:17.509 --> 01:28:19.649
But ours go to eleven, man.

01:28:19.670 --> 01:28:22.631
Yeah.

01:28:22.771 --> 01:28:26.233
And so it's that's where as much as

01:28:26.273 --> 01:28:27.394
I'm willing to give away.

01:28:27.434 --> 01:28:28.375
That's where it all came from.

01:28:28.895 --> 01:28:30.074
No, that's perfect, dude.

01:28:30.154 --> 01:28:30.876
Because like I said,

01:28:30.895 --> 01:28:32.115
I got the synopsis of it.

01:28:32.176 --> 01:28:32.756
I'm just like.

01:28:33.595 --> 01:28:34.494
I can't wait for this one.

01:28:35.755 --> 01:28:37.876
And it's one of those where it's one

01:28:37.916 --> 01:28:40.095
of those where the guy's driving down the

01:28:40.115 --> 01:28:41.596
road and he picks up a hitchhiker and

01:28:41.617 --> 01:28:43.396
he's like, you're not a serial killer,

01:28:43.476 --> 01:28:43.756
are you?

01:28:44.737 --> 01:28:45.957
What are the odds of it being two

01:28:46.018 --> 01:28:47.618
of us on the same road traveling at

01:28:47.637 --> 01:28:48.537
the same place?

01:28:49.457 --> 01:28:49.797
You know?

01:28:49.818 --> 01:28:49.979
Yeah.

01:28:50.019 --> 01:28:52.038
Yeah.

01:28:52.078 --> 01:28:53.618
But let's bring this start bringing this

01:28:53.639 --> 01:28:53.939
home.

01:28:53.979 --> 01:28:56.819
So for those watching right now into

01:28:56.859 --> 01:28:57.260
horror,

01:28:57.460 --> 01:28:59.060
maybe they're just into indie comics and

01:28:59.079 --> 01:29:00.761
they're discovering this one for the first

01:29:00.801 --> 01:29:01.201
time.

01:29:02.400 --> 01:29:06.363
Why should they back AHA?

01:29:06.685 --> 01:29:08.905
They should back it because they're making

01:29:09.105 --> 01:29:11.988
brand new creators have a place to be

01:29:12.588 --> 01:29:18.573
seen and read and they are literally

01:29:18.634 --> 01:29:22.636
giving people a dream come true.

01:29:24.279 --> 01:29:25.259
Those creators,

01:29:25.298 --> 01:29:27.341
you're putting their book in their hand

01:29:27.701 --> 01:29:29.802
and that is something that cannot be

01:29:30.162 --> 01:29:30.884
duplicated.

01:29:31.524 --> 01:29:33.369
as far as experience.

01:29:34.894 --> 01:29:36.318
You know what goes hand in hand with

01:29:36.337 --> 01:29:36.639
that?

01:29:38.002 --> 01:29:39.886
The United States Department of Nerds.

01:29:42.500 --> 01:29:44.041
It's like two peas in a pod.

01:29:44.320 --> 01:29:48.002
Two peas in a very dried out, wrinkly,

01:29:48.103 --> 01:29:50.904
decrepit, slightly blackened pod.

01:29:52.565 --> 01:29:52.666
Yep.

01:29:52.685 --> 01:29:53.947
Isn't it adorable?

01:29:53.966 --> 01:29:54.787
I am middle-aged now,

01:29:54.806 --> 01:29:56.028
as my daughter likes to tell me.

01:29:59.170 --> 01:30:00.871
We got some white around the edges.

01:30:01.011 --> 01:30:02.731
We're slightly moldy because we've

01:30:02.832 --> 01:30:04.592
overstayed our shelf life.

01:30:04.913 --> 01:30:05.854
Quite possibly, yes.

01:30:05.873 --> 01:30:07.194
Exactly.

01:30:07.215 --> 01:30:09.877
That's what I love about this as well.

01:30:10.176 --> 01:30:11.677
It's indie creators and

01:30:12.818 --> 01:30:14.918
Everybody who's tapping in with us tonight

01:30:14.958 --> 01:30:16.399
and stuck around and has been watching

01:30:16.439 --> 01:30:16.800
this,

01:30:17.680 --> 01:30:20.900
there's six more of these episodes coming.

01:30:22.902 --> 01:30:24.283
That's what I love about it.

01:30:24.903 --> 01:30:27.024
I'm getting to take everybody on a ride

01:30:27.863 --> 01:30:33.046
one at a time through this anthology.

01:30:33.345 --> 01:30:35.827
Thank you so much for doing that for

01:30:35.966 --> 01:30:36.167
us.

01:30:37.507 --> 01:30:40.109
You sent the right person to seek my

01:30:40.168 --> 01:30:40.448
help.

01:30:43.256 --> 01:30:45.600
Yeah, shout out to Duke Electric,

01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:48.502
the best looking man in indie comics.

01:30:48.542 --> 01:30:50.425
Just never look him in the eyes.

01:30:50.565 --> 01:30:51.225
Holy shit.

01:30:51.567 --> 01:30:54.270
Save your family an open casket.

01:30:54.430 --> 01:30:55.931
Just never look him in the eyes.

01:31:00.561 --> 01:31:03.604
To add to what Kay said about making

01:31:03.684 --> 01:31:04.625
dreams come true,

01:31:05.484 --> 01:31:07.846
the tagline that we've developed for CHK

01:31:07.926 --> 01:31:09.967
is that we're fun, we're fresh,

01:31:10.108 --> 01:31:11.670
and we're borderline ridiculous.

01:31:11.689 --> 01:31:16.653
And we are doing everything intentionally

01:31:17.154 --> 01:31:18.234
to make a fun...

01:31:19.255 --> 01:31:22.177
Comic that is a horror anthology full of

01:31:22.257 --> 01:31:25.041
fresh voices that are taking big fucking

01:31:25.060 --> 01:31:25.421
swings.

01:31:25.462 --> 01:31:27.884
We didn't say no to anybody's idea.

01:31:28.685 --> 01:31:29.506
None of them were like,

01:31:30.667 --> 01:31:32.029
maybe not do that.

01:31:32.048 --> 01:31:33.569
We didn't say no to anybody.

01:31:33.850 --> 01:31:36.432
It's purely been an encouragement from us.

01:31:37.113 --> 01:31:37.373
And yeah,

01:31:38.475 --> 01:31:40.096
The fun that so Kay and I are

01:31:40.117 --> 01:31:41.717
the two that are doing all of the

01:31:41.917 --> 01:31:46.180
Roger pages and like we're doing stuff

01:31:46.201 --> 01:31:49.724
with Roger that is like the tagline came

01:31:49.764 --> 01:31:51.265
from Roger because it was like, dude,

01:31:51.284 --> 01:31:52.886
this is borderline ridiculous.

01:31:53.126 --> 01:31:56.087
And we both were like, oh my God,

01:31:56.127 --> 01:31:57.207
that's perfect.

01:31:57.368 --> 01:31:59.309
Like that's what we're doing.

01:31:59.349 --> 01:32:01.210
Like we are fully aware that we are

01:32:01.310 --> 01:32:02.010
indie comics.

01:32:02.369 --> 01:32:03.631
Think about it though.

01:32:03.650 --> 01:32:05.572
The group keeper himself was just that

01:32:05.912 --> 01:32:08.332
absolutely ridiculous character that got

01:32:08.573 --> 01:32:09.833
over so well.

01:32:10.154 --> 01:32:13.595
yes it's the commitment to the bit and

01:32:13.675 --> 01:32:16.435
we're committing a hundred all of our

01:32:16.456 --> 01:32:18.916
chips are on the table with roger and

01:32:18.975 --> 01:32:21.537
like we're going imagine if a vira quit

01:32:21.917 --> 01:32:25.497
you know before that character like took

01:32:25.557 --> 01:32:28.198
off the way it did yeah and now

01:32:28.219 --> 01:32:31.880
she's a cultural icon cassandra peterson

01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:35.740
is just like a phenomenal phenomenal human

01:32:35.801 --> 01:32:38.662
being in real life and it's like

01:32:40.256 --> 01:32:42.157
If she wouldn't have stuck to the bit

01:32:42.497 --> 01:32:43.636
to this day,

01:32:44.997 --> 01:32:46.637
there would be so much stuff that we

01:32:46.658 --> 01:32:48.918
didn't get to experience growing up in the

01:32:49.019 --> 01:32:51.939
eighties and nineties that we wouldn't

01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:52.801
just never guy.

01:32:52.921 --> 01:32:53.161
I mean,

01:32:53.201 --> 01:32:55.061
the toxic Avenger would probably have not

01:32:55.082 --> 01:32:56.721
been around and many,

01:32:56.742 --> 01:33:00.384
many more that possibly like her stuff

01:33:00.404 --> 01:33:01.203
with pinhead.

01:33:01.953 --> 01:33:02.994
Just all that.

01:33:03.555 --> 01:33:04.876
We would never have gotten that.

01:33:05.856 --> 01:33:07.677
That's just to me classic cinema at this

01:33:07.717 --> 01:33:08.059
point.

01:33:09.019 --> 01:33:10.220
Which is weird that I just called it

01:33:10.260 --> 01:33:13.903
classic cinema.

01:33:14.363 --> 01:33:16.805
That was my childhood.

01:33:16.904 --> 01:33:17.426
Exactly.

01:33:17.985 --> 01:33:19.306
Let's be serious.

01:33:19.367 --> 01:33:21.609
We're all classic people now.

01:33:24.011 --> 01:33:24.850
That's right.

01:33:25.051 --> 01:33:25.391
We are vintage.

01:33:25.412 --> 01:33:26.832
We are the vintage variety.

01:33:26.872 --> 01:33:26.993
Yeah.

01:33:29.322 --> 01:33:35.184
it was a good year yes yeah yeah

01:33:36.104 --> 01:33:39.265
all that to say uh aha is the

01:33:39.345 --> 01:33:44.046
culmination of two crusty diy punks that

01:33:44.086 --> 01:33:47.046
just love are making comics for the sake

01:33:47.067 --> 01:33:49.747
of comics like we're we're not what other

01:33:49.768 --> 01:33:52.287
way is there right we're not in this

01:33:52.347 --> 01:33:53.849
to make a ton of money because we're

01:33:53.889 --> 01:33:54.668
not going to make any money

01:33:55.088 --> 01:33:58.011
we're not in this to like do the

01:33:58.051 --> 01:33:59.351
attention grabbing whatever.

01:33:59.412 --> 01:34:00.273
Cause who cares?

01:34:00.653 --> 01:34:03.074
Like we're genuinely.

01:34:03.534 --> 01:34:05.735
And I know that it's easy to be

01:34:05.756 --> 01:34:07.677
like, man, what's the catch.

01:34:08.177 --> 01:34:09.279
We don't have a catch.

01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:10.920
There is no subtext.

01:34:11.100 --> 01:34:13.322
It is where we started this with the

01:34:13.341 --> 01:34:15.962
intention of how do we raise and bring

01:34:16.143 --> 01:34:19.805
other new creators into a scene and into

01:34:19.845 --> 01:34:22.127
the fold and give them something that when

01:34:22.167 --> 01:34:24.009
they table their first convention,

01:34:24.429 --> 01:34:25.930
they have a book that they can say,

01:34:25.951 --> 01:34:27.171
yeah, I have a story in this book.

01:34:27.192 --> 01:34:27.932
Do you want to buy it?

01:34:28.693 --> 01:34:30.414
Like, that's why we're doing this.

01:34:30.595 --> 01:34:32.697
And so anybody that backs it there,

01:34:33.118 --> 01:34:34.538
it sounds cheesy as shit,

01:34:34.918 --> 01:34:36.761
which is easy for, Oh, red flag.

01:34:37.180 --> 01:34:37.782
They're like,

01:34:37.902 --> 01:34:39.804
they're backing someone's dream.

01:34:40.144 --> 01:34:42.487
Like you're supporting these creators,

01:34:42.567 --> 01:34:43.887
making a thing that for the first time

01:34:43.927 --> 01:34:44.529
they can go, Oh,

01:34:45.069 --> 01:34:48.569
this is mine like i'm in this this

01:34:48.609 --> 01:34:51.310
came out of my brain pages twelve to

01:34:51.331 --> 01:34:55.273
fourteen are me i created that and that's

01:34:55.313 --> 01:34:58.154
something that no amount of drugs can

01:34:58.234 --> 01:35:01.595
match and like the the endorphins that get

01:35:01.654 --> 01:35:03.615
released when you get to hold the thing

01:35:03.655 --> 01:35:05.256
for the very first time and be like

01:35:05.837 --> 01:35:07.877
holy shit, I made that.

01:35:08.137 --> 01:35:09.297
Like I created that.

01:35:09.597 --> 01:35:10.998
There's no better feeling.

01:35:11.498 --> 01:35:14.500
And so we are very intentionally chasing

01:35:14.579 --> 01:35:17.980
after making as much space as possible for

01:35:18.020 --> 01:35:21.141
as many creators as possible to experience

01:35:21.181 --> 01:35:23.981
that feeling so that they continue

01:35:24.021 --> 01:35:27.002
creating and they continue to just pour

01:35:27.122 --> 01:35:29.923
into making comics, making art,

01:35:29.963 --> 01:35:32.204
telling stories, writing, doing whatever.

01:35:32.885 --> 01:35:33.404
And it like,

01:35:33.604 --> 01:35:36.466
that's how it starts is one person says,

01:35:36.506 --> 01:35:37.507
yeah, I'll take a chance.

01:35:37.528 --> 01:35:39.469
Let's let's come on.

01:35:39.609 --> 01:35:40.088
I got you.

01:35:40.309 --> 01:35:41.050
You don't know how to make it.

01:35:41.109 --> 01:35:41.689
It's fine.

01:35:42.109 --> 01:35:42.550
We do.

01:35:42.590 --> 01:35:43.470
Let's go.

01:35:43.511 --> 01:35:45.231
Yeah.

01:35:45.292 --> 01:35:46.292
But, um,

01:35:46.311 --> 01:35:48.393
so tell everybody where they can find the

01:35:48.432 --> 01:35:49.054
two Chris's.

01:35:51.144 --> 01:35:51.703
I'm easy.

01:35:51.904 --> 01:35:54.525
I'm at long box punk everywhere,

01:35:54.826 --> 01:35:55.686
except for Tik TOK.

01:35:56.186 --> 01:35:56.448
I don't,

01:35:56.568 --> 01:35:58.868
I don't take talk and I don't Snapchat,

01:35:58.889 --> 01:36:01.711
but I sub stack frequently.

01:36:01.970 --> 01:36:02.372
And I,

01:36:02.431 --> 01:36:03.572
as much as I would love to get

01:36:03.591 --> 01:36:04.252
away from meta,

01:36:04.792 --> 01:36:08.496
I'm on Instagram regularly and threads.

01:36:08.716 --> 01:36:10.396
I have a blue sky, but I don't,

01:36:11.256 --> 01:36:11.978
it's there.

01:36:12.158 --> 01:36:12.537
I don't know.

01:36:12.677 --> 01:36:14.840
We just had a conversation there last

01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:15.060
night.

01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:16.041
What are you talking about?

01:36:16.060 --> 01:36:16.440
Yeah.

01:36:17.085 --> 01:36:17.465
Yeah.

01:36:17.564 --> 01:36:18.345
And yeah,

01:36:18.985 --> 01:36:21.068
YouTube is where you find my show.

01:36:21.108 --> 01:36:22.748
If you want to hear from other creators

01:36:22.828 --> 01:36:25.369
similar to like you would hear here on

01:36:25.390 --> 01:36:27.051
the United States Department of Nerds.

01:36:27.792 --> 01:36:29.252
I talk process.

01:36:29.332 --> 01:36:30.554
I'm a process junkie.

01:36:30.673 --> 01:36:32.375
I love to understand how things work.

01:36:33.015 --> 01:36:34.796
And it's part of why I started making

01:36:34.815 --> 01:36:35.556
my own comics.

01:36:35.877 --> 01:36:37.738
Which is cool because you do the process

01:36:37.778 --> 01:36:39.899
side and I literally just try to take

01:36:39.979 --> 01:36:43.220
people on the journey of that creator to

01:36:43.261 --> 01:36:45.181
how they got to the book and how

01:36:45.221 --> 01:36:46.182
the book was made.

01:36:46.243 --> 01:36:46.983
And then like,

01:36:47.103 --> 01:36:48.684
I'm a journey guy and you're a process

01:36:48.703 --> 01:36:49.345
guy, which is so cool.

01:36:49.364 --> 01:36:49.465
Yeah.

01:36:49.484 --> 01:36:50.204
Like, dude,

01:36:51.326 --> 01:36:53.346
there's a space for everybody in indie

01:36:53.386 --> 01:36:53.627
comics.

01:36:53.646 --> 01:36:55.807
There really is.

01:36:56.168 --> 01:36:57.710
That's what's beautiful about it.

01:36:57.949 --> 01:36:58.270
Mm-hmm.

01:36:58.935 --> 01:37:00.858
chris with a k yes where can they

01:37:00.877 --> 01:37:03.779
find you i am punk rock chris two

01:37:03.819 --> 01:37:06.402
k's together never three there's three in

01:37:06.421 --> 01:37:07.884
there but there's only two together

01:37:09.645 --> 01:37:11.627
pointing that out very clearly very

01:37:11.686 --> 01:37:16.530
clearly just um instagram threads blue sky

01:37:16.911 --> 01:37:19.753
tiktok you can find it in my link

01:37:19.774 --> 01:37:23.716
tree um facebook is pretty worthless for

01:37:23.756 --> 01:37:25.798
me i i'm rarely there

01:37:26.417 --> 01:37:28.840
So if you're finding me there,

01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:30.001
we better be real friends.

01:37:34.663 --> 01:37:36.445
But yeah, all the things.

01:37:37.645 --> 01:37:39.268
Go to my TikTok.

01:37:39.307 --> 01:37:41.088
You'll find me talking about what books I

01:37:41.128 --> 01:37:41.588
picked up.

01:37:42.710 --> 01:37:45.631
You'll find me talking about books that

01:37:45.671 --> 01:37:48.073
we're making, like Aha,

01:37:48.134 --> 01:37:49.375
currently on Kickstarter,

01:37:49.414 --> 01:37:52.296
waiting to launch next week.

01:37:52.356 --> 01:37:53.478
Live on Longbox Punk?

01:37:53.990 --> 01:37:54.490
There you go.

01:37:54.810 --> 01:37:55.110
Yeah.

01:37:55.251 --> 01:37:59.533
You'll find me making process videos of me

01:37:59.573 --> 01:38:02.233
doing drawings with usually punk rock in

01:38:02.252 --> 01:38:02.793
the background.

01:38:04.894 --> 01:38:05.854
As well it should be.

01:38:05.873 --> 01:38:06.113
Yeah.

01:38:06.314 --> 01:38:07.675
Because you can't have a name like Punk

01:38:07.734 --> 01:38:09.574
Rock Chris or Lone Box Punk and not

01:38:09.635 --> 01:38:10.676
have punk rock play in.

01:38:11.076 --> 01:38:11.296
Yep.

01:38:11.775 --> 01:38:13.896
Like it would be sacrilege.

01:38:14.277 --> 01:38:15.877
It would be.

01:38:15.936 --> 01:38:16.516
Turn it in here.

01:38:16.777 --> 01:38:18.278
One Direction plays...

01:38:19.993 --> 01:38:21.994
The greatest hits at this point.

01:38:23.295 --> 01:38:25.195
Listen, unashamedly,

01:38:25.515 --> 01:38:27.417
there are some One Direction songs that I

01:38:27.436 --> 01:38:28.377
will get down to.

01:38:28.417 --> 01:38:32.137
You can't with the secrets.

01:38:32.518 --> 01:38:34.019
No, that's how I am, man.

01:38:34.158 --> 01:38:35.238
I can't help it.

01:38:35.798 --> 01:38:36.699
I have two moods.

01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:38.939
I have very punk rock and angsty and

01:38:39.060 --> 01:38:40.081
just like in your face.

01:38:40.180 --> 01:38:43.801
And then I have like bubblegum pop and

01:38:44.181 --> 01:38:46.802
One Direction and Betty Who and Harry

01:38:46.842 --> 01:38:47.403
Styles.

01:38:47.422 --> 01:38:47.643
Same.

01:38:49.384 --> 01:38:50.904
i don't even care man give it all

01:38:50.944 --> 01:38:53.505
to me i'll take it i'm literally listening

01:38:53.545 --> 01:38:56.666
like you know spirit bosses soft spine one

01:38:56.725 --> 01:38:58.405
minute and then the next minute you know

01:38:58.426 --> 01:39:04.747
i'm shaking it off with taylor swift yep

01:39:04.807 --> 01:39:08.448
yep uh some new backstreet boys as much

01:39:08.488 --> 01:39:09.788
as i hate to admit this my wife

01:39:09.809 --> 01:39:10.349
would be proud of me

01:39:10.984 --> 01:39:12.625
they've got some really good stuff.

01:39:12.965 --> 01:39:14.667
Like some of their newer stuff is like

01:39:15.146 --> 01:39:16.448
really fucking good.

01:39:16.847 --> 01:39:17.908
Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:39:18.029 --> 01:39:19.729
Are you saying Backstreet's back?

01:39:20.751 --> 01:39:21.871
All right.

01:39:22.171 --> 01:39:22.332
Shit.

01:39:22.351 --> 01:39:25.394
Yeah.

01:39:25.434 --> 01:39:27.314
I knew by new,

01:39:27.475 --> 01:39:29.596
I mean like whatever CD came out when

01:39:29.617 --> 01:39:32.538
they re got back together like five years

01:39:32.559 --> 01:39:32.918
ago now.

01:39:33.458 --> 01:39:33.679
Okay.

01:39:33.698 --> 01:39:33.939
Yeah.

01:39:33.979 --> 01:39:34.479
Yeah.

01:39:34.619 --> 01:39:35.060
I thought you,

01:39:35.380 --> 01:39:36.421
I thought you meant the song on the

01:39:36.461 --> 01:39:37.421
Verizon commercial.

01:39:39.256 --> 01:39:40.457
I don't even know what song that is.

01:39:40.917 --> 01:39:42.217
I don't watch TV, man.

01:39:44.158 --> 01:39:45.359
Like, you get to watch TV?

01:39:45.779 --> 01:39:47.041
Yeah, that's adorable.

01:39:47.140 --> 01:39:48.141
What's that like?

01:39:48.162 --> 01:39:49.181
Well,

01:39:49.362 --> 01:39:51.143
usually I'm exhausted and I'm watching

01:39:51.243 --> 01:39:52.224
something on Tubi.

01:39:52.604 --> 01:39:54.284
Ah, dude, Tubi's got a...

01:39:54.786 --> 01:39:57.247
Speaking of Tubi, if you like horror and,

01:39:57.266 --> 01:39:58.167
like, weird horror...

01:39:59.148 --> 01:39:59.748
Exactly.

01:40:00.029 --> 01:40:03.010
That's what I was about to say.

01:40:03.291 --> 01:40:04.070
If you're bringing up Tubi,

01:40:04.091 --> 01:40:05.452
you better be talking about their horror

01:40:05.492 --> 01:40:07.172
selection because it's fantastic.

01:40:07.273 --> 01:40:08.594
It's so good.

01:40:09.234 --> 01:40:10.895
I'm just waiting for Tubi to reach out

01:40:10.914 --> 01:40:11.435
and be like, hey,

01:40:11.454 --> 01:40:12.615
can we be your sponsor?

01:40:12.695 --> 01:40:14.436
You talk about us all the time.

01:40:16.257 --> 01:40:17.759
To be hit me up long box,

01:40:17.798 --> 01:40:18.399
punk at gmail.com.

01:40:18.418 --> 01:40:19.579
That's taking a hold of me.

01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:23.301
Let's work something out.

01:40:23.341 --> 01:40:25.582
There you go.

01:40:25.622 --> 01:40:25.863
Shameless.

01:40:26.502 --> 01:40:27.304
Speaking of plugging,

01:40:27.644 --> 01:40:28.764
it's time to plug this up.

01:40:29.145 --> 01:40:29.505
Yeah.

01:40:29.604 --> 01:40:31.085
We don't want everybody bleeding out all

01:40:31.166 --> 01:40:31.905
over this episode.

01:40:31.926 --> 01:40:33.787
Cause this is just the beginning.

01:40:34.567 --> 01:40:37.168
The first step into the world of aha.

01:40:38.208 --> 01:40:40.069
Our anthology that's built on patching

01:40:40.109 --> 01:40:42.591
creativity and the kind of storytelling

01:40:42.610 --> 01:40:43.832
that doesn't play it safe.

01:40:44.835 --> 01:40:46.756
And over these next few episodes,

01:40:47.756 --> 01:40:49.899
the next one up will be the end

01:40:49.939 --> 01:40:51.500
of the month with Duke.

01:40:52.720 --> 01:40:55.002
My dude, Duke, bring your sunglasses.

01:40:55.042 --> 01:40:57.484
Don't make eye contact.

01:40:57.505 --> 01:40:58.345
We're going deeper.

01:40:58.685 --> 01:41:00.346
More creators, more stories,

01:41:00.686 --> 01:41:01.467
more nightmares.

01:41:01.847 --> 01:41:03.890
Make sure you're subscribed so you get

01:41:03.970 --> 01:41:05.131
these notifications.

01:41:05.952 --> 01:41:07.493
There will be a long-form...

01:41:08.762 --> 01:41:11.123
video dropping here soon with the rest of

01:41:11.224 --> 01:41:13.965
the creators that are going to be on

01:41:13.984 --> 01:41:14.765
the podcast.

01:41:16.626 --> 01:41:18.127
Hopefully Sunday I'll drop that.

01:41:18.567 --> 01:41:18.867
If not,

01:41:18.907 --> 01:41:21.608
it'll be the day before Duke comes on.

01:41:23.109 --> 01:41:24.609
But make sure you're subscribed so you

01:41:24.689 --> 01:41:26.430
don't miss that because this is a series

01:41:26.449 --> 01:41:29.171
you're going to want to follow all the

01:41:29.231 --> 01:41:30.471
way through.

01:41:30.792 --> 01:41:32.493
And let's get this to a hundred this

01:41:32.533 --> 01:41:33.012
weekend.

01:41:33.073 --> 01:41:34.014
Pre-follows.

01:41:34.713 --> 01:41:35.594
Go hit the link.

01:41:35.634 --> 01:41:36.914
It's down in the description.

01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:40.000
Hit notify me on launch.

01:41:40.279 --> 01:41:42.661
That way you know when this book drops

01:41:42.701 --> 01:41:44.600
next week because I, for one,

01:41:44.640 --> 01:41:46.641
have the notifications on already.

01:41:47.841 --> 01:41:49.282
I had it on before anybody else,

01:41:49.301 --> 01:41:49.721
to be fair,

01:41:49.742 --> 01:41:53.103
because I got that one months ago.

01:41:53.182 --> 01:41:55.403
But until next time, everybody,

01:41:55.863 --> 01:41:58.144
the Council of Nerds is adjourned.

01:41:58.524 --> 01:42:01.703
This has been the USDN Podcast where indie

01:42:01.743 --> 01:42:03.524
comics come to life.

01:42:04.484 --> 01:42:05.545
Y'all be safe out there.