This episode is sponsored by Focusaur — an AI-powered focus console built for deep work and daily habits. If your phone keeps pulling you away from your best work, Focusaur creates the physical friction that gives you your focus back. They're in the final days of their Kickstarter campaign. Visit mikevardy.com/focusaur to learn more. Patrick Rhone is back, and so is PM Talks — the monthly series where Patrick and I take our time with one idea and actually see where it goes. This is Season 3, Episode 5, and Patrick has just returned from a trip to Greece with his family — a trip built around anniversary celebrations, Mamma Mia filming locations, and the kind of serendipitous moments that only happen when you're open enough to notice them. It was a perfect setup for the conversation that followed.
Because the thread running through everything we talked about — travel, family dynamics, technological change, self-judgment, and the way small kindnesses move through the world — turned out to be the same one: grace. Grace is also one of the principles at the heart of my upcoming book, Productiveness, which made this one feel especially fitting to sit with. If you've been wondering what that book is actually about, this episode gives you a meaningful glimpse.
Six Discussion Points:
- Grace starts with goodwill — not as a feeling, but as a practice. We dig into what it actually means to operate with grace day to day, and why it takes more intention than most people give it credit for.
- Travel is one of the best teachers of grace around. From adjusting to late dinner culture in Greece and Portugal to ordering a chicken by pointing at the ones still running around a yard in the Philippines, travel asks you to meet the unfamiliar with openness rather than resistance.
- Balancing everyone's needs on Patrick's Greece trip required grace in a very real, logistical way — from his daughter's Mamma Mia pilgrimage to his and his wife's 20th anniversary. The fact that everyone left feeling like the trip was complete says a lot about how that went.
- I share a real-time example of reacting instead of responding — a strongly-worded email, a refund request, and some after-the-fact digging that made me feel briefly foolish before I decided to give myself some grace about the whole thing.
- We get into grace and cancel culture, and the difference between holding someone accountable and refusing them any room to grow or change. It is okay to change your mind. In fact, it might be one of the most graceful things a person can do.
- Small acts of grace echo further than you think. Patrick's daughter writing thoughtful notes to the colleges she's declining. Paying for a stranger's coffee without mentioning it. You don't know what someone is carrying, which is exactly why grace doesn't need full information to operate.
Three Connection Points
- Patrick Rhone's website — the best place to start to find everything Patrick has going on.
- Productiveness — my upcoming book, where grace appears as one of its core principles.
- New to the show? I've been putting out solo episodes of A Productive Conversation as well — here's one right here. You can also find them in your podcast app of choice.
Patrick and I covered a lot of ground this month, and I think that's because grace is one of those ideas that shows up everywhere once you start looking for it. Whether you're navigating a foreign dinner schedule, giving someone the benefit of the doubt, or just deciding not to beat yourself up over a to-do list that didn't get finished — grace is the practice underneath all of it. We'll be back next month for another round of PM Talks, and in the meantime, I hope this one gives you something worth sitting with.
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