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The Tya Podcast.

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Discover the daily practice that makes spirituality actually work.

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Going beyond law of attraction to turn struggle into prosperity and success into real happiness.

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Tya is an advanced operating system for life and you're about to learn it right now.

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Welcome to the Tya Podcast.

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We have Matt Garden back with us.

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The Tya Intention Coach.

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Wonderful to be here.

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It's certainly a thrill.

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You're such a lovely audience.

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You don't know them.

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How do you know they're lovely?

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Hey, hey.

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They may be thinking right now, I'm not lovely.

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You don't know me.

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Don't assume I'm lovely.

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It's from Sergeant Pepper.

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All you music buffs will know this.

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All you music buffs of our generation will know this.

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I was going to say it depends on the age group that you're.

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Say Sergeant Pepper is someone under 50, they're going to think you're talking about a spice.

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Anyway, so you are a student of many spiritual teachings.

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Yes.

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Well, less Judeo-Christian stuff because I grew up in that and had it rammed down my throat.

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But more Eastern stuff I'm really interested in.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the interesting thing is I have not been that interested in that.

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I've definitely explored spiritual modalities, but not a lot of Eastern philosophy.

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But I do find it appealing and interesting,

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especially when I find similarities with what we're creating with Tya and what

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you're seeing in some of these teachings.

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So I kind of want to dig into that a little bit.

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Yeah, happy to, happy to.

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History repeating is a good title for this podcast.

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I think part of the thing is also your environment really affects you a huge amount.

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And I grew up in Asia.

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So I grew up in Indonesia.

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I'm back in Asia now.

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And it's funny how it feels so familiar.

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You know,

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you have people who travel and then they end up coming back to kind of the area

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where they grew up in or the kind of stuff when they grew up in.

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I've kind of inadvertently done that.

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And I can understand the appeal because it just...

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feels very familiar and it takes you well i think i think it creates our foundation

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you know it's sort of like it imprints on us like this is who we are no matter

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where we go or what we do in life yeah this is really who we are is we're connected

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to that geographic space yeah that makes sense yeah yeah um so i've always been so

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so i think that's given me a bit of interest into the more

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Eastern philosophies and esoteric philosophies,

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and it's always given me a sense of wanting to just have a curiosity,

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basically.

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You know,

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I'm a seeker,

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and so I seek knowledge and information and that sort of stuff because that kind of

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excites me.

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I mean, I'm very grateful to – I grew up very, very –

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strict Roman Catholic and my mom was in an evangelical church and I spoke in

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tongues at the age of 12 and stuff.

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So I'm very appreciative of that because it gave me a real understanding that there

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is a spiritual world,

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an energetic world.

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And certainly in Indonesia,

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they take that stuff very,

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very seriously,

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especially Bali,

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where we spend a lot of time.

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Yeah,

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I remember feeling that as a child,

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even in just regular Methodist,

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Baptist,

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you know,

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where I was raised in those things.

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And I remember feeling that feeling.

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But of course, it sort of gets co-opted by the religion and says, OK, that feeling is God.

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And here's the book and here's the rules and here's the things you got to do and

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you're not supposed to do and who you're supposed to worship and what you're

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supposed to do.

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Based on all of that.

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And when you're a child,

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you just believe that because it's they must know what they're talking about

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because I feel this.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And they're adults and they're, you know, I trust them and that's what we're programmed to do.

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Right.

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And so, yes, I'm really so I'm really interested in that sort of stuff.

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I did a little bit of Buddhism for a while and now I'm really into the Tao Te

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Ching,

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which is the excuse me.

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Chinese spiritual text.

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Interesting.

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It's not a religion.

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It's a very practical spiritual practice or just a series of kind of riddles slash

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poems written by a mysterious guy 3,000 years ago.

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And it has a lot of similarities with the teachings of the Tya Academy and the

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Four Pillars of Tire.

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And I just keep finding that

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kind of universal truth that comes back, that keeps repeating, that does.

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And look, at the heart of it,

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all religion is about love and all religion is about loving your fellow human,

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you know,

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and there's not one religion that isn't about not trying to be a better person,

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you know,

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not trying to do your best and not trying to do what's morally correct.

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And Taoism does that a lot, talks a lot about that.

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Well,

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if you think about the root of all of this is what I call source and some people

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call that God or there's other words for it,

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certainly,

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but

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My identity of source,

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the way I experience source,

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I know that it's that same energy that I got when I went to the Baptist revival as

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a child and they get you all sort of amped up at the revival and oh,

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you feel this move in you,

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it's time to come down front and give your life to God and commit to being one of

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us and that sort of thing.

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And I remember having that feeling

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And I remember it just being this powerful thing that almost walked me down at the

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First Baptist Church in Minden,

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Louisiana,

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walked me down there to get saved,

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is what they call the Baptist Church.

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And I remember it being a very spiritually moving moment.

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And then they made such a big deal out of it.

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And then the next day I woke up and I was the same person.

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It felt like, okay, you know, I'm saved, but it feels kind of the same.

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And then I went to school and a lot of my friends went to that church and,

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oh,

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David got saved the other night.

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And all of that just sounded wrong to me.

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I remember as a little kid saying,

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okay,

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something happened with me,

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but I don't think it was about all of that.

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I think it was about something with me personally.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And you can't, but you can't put it into words, right?

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Like when you have a Kundalini experience, you can't really explain it.

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And it's something you have to experience.

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And what's interesting is the very first sentence of the Tao Te Ching is the Tao

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that can be named is not the true Tao.

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And it says,

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you can't,

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we don't,

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we actually don't have the words to properly describe how this universe is

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structured and what this Holy Spirit energy is.

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life force loving intelligence is right we just don't have the words in any

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language to really describe what's keeping us alive our soul yeah well the thing is

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that energy exists in everything yeah and i know that everybody has this in them

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everything has it in them and that's why you will never prove it or disprove it

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scientifically because how do you do that with something that exists in everything

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yeah well scientists have narrowed it down to the dmt right the god molecule which

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is kind of a a chemical structure that exists in everything

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I think that's supposed to be what they've identified as the first step of physical creation.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's where consciousness bridges into creation.

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And I have seen that in my channeling.

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And the thing that, you know, I talk about channeling in the Stream of David and all that.

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The channeling has always been,

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and I have always said from day one,

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this is something that is in me that I think is in everybody.

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I have just spent a whole lifetime choosing to go into that.

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I'll go sample something, not to the length that you do.

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I'll sample something a little bit and say, okay, that's interesting.

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That's a different way to think about that.

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But I'm going to go back to my inner knowing.

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And that inner knowing has always guided me in a direction where things worked out.

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Always, always, always, always without fail.

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But trying to define,

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because you know I've asked these questions of it,

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of the inner knowing of the stream,

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how does consciousness become physical creation?

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And I can understand it, but I can't always communicate it.

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Even when I'm channeling, it's challenging to communicate how consciousness becomes

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is energy and how that energy becomes more dense and takes form and then gets

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specific in its form to create anything and everything that you consider physical.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And,

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and,

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and,

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you know,

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I mean,

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I keep coming back to the,

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to the Tao Dijing,

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but it's,

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it's interesting that,

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They also believe in multiple different types of universes and experiences.

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And they believe that if you happen to manifest in one that has a very strong,

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heavy gravitational field,

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like where we are now,

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that's a real blessing.

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That's like a power up for your soul because it's much easier to evolve in a dense

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gravitational field than it is if you're spread over hundreds of thousands of light

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years.

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It's because we're in this linear experience and the density causes us to be

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separated from source.

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We perceive ourselves as being separated from source, which creates suffering, if you will.

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And then the suffering motivates us to create something to solve the suffering.

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That's why we talk about the polarity pillar of Taya.

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The density of the environment accelerates evolution.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a real, it's a real blessing.

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People keep trying to speed it up,

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but actually it's,

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it's,

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it's one of the tools you need for your soul to evolve.

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You know, if you want, if you want.

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Well, what I gather from the stream is the,

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We think of something as desire,

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like I desire to go to earth and be a human and have this human experience or I

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don't desire to do that or whatever.

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We think in terms of desire and the evolution of a strand of consciousness or a

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soul is really automatic.

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It's not a choice or desire as much as it's just,

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if you want to think about it like this,

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it's the mission of it.

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The mission is to always expand no matter what.

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And we see that expressed in physical and evolution.

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Yeah.

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So that's, you know, I've gotten that from source that that's how creation actually occurs.

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And then how we organize these things into physical creation is a whole other mind

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blowing,

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you know,

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topic that it's hard to express in words,

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but really the people want to know what source really is.

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And yeah,

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The very best way I can describe source

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is source is the powerful creative energy of the universe.

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It's in all things.

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It's always creating expansion.

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It can create destruction, but that destruction leads to new creation.

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So everything is really expansion.

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Just like we say positive, negative, or high vibration, low vibration.

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Really,

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it's all positive because what we consider low vibration or unwanted only exists

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because we create it,

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first of all,

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in a dense environment.

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And secondly, because we create

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not only create the challenge, the solution to the challenge is our evolution of consciousness.

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It is our new creation.

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It's the expansion.

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Yeah.

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And that's why it's on autopilot.

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Even though we perceive this as a choice, it's an automatic thing that we do.

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And our strands of consciousness have been around long enough to where we've sort

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of,

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for lack of a better term,

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we've sort of leveled up to this environment.

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And you're right.

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There are people that say that, you know, oh, I would never choose to come to Earth.

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This is terrible.

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I don't ever want to do this again.

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I want to get off this.

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I see that all the time.

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Well, what else do you think is out there?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I mean,

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there are an infinite number of realms out there,

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but your Earth-based ego isn't aware of them.

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You know, your soul is.

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Your soul is having an infinite number of fantastic experiences simultaneously,

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but it's capable of doing that.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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and obviously I think we're eternal beings,

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like you said,

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our soul,

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our consciousness,

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whatever you want to call it,

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has an eternal aspect that is most of what we are.

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But in this experience,

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obviously,

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we are meant to be grounded and focused in this experience while we're here.

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And that's why we never get too into talking.

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You know, let's let's talk to dead people.

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Let's talk to aliens.

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Let's I want someone to predict the future.

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All of those things.

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We just don't do that because we're here for a brief amount of time.

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And for all we know, this is all there is.

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We don't know that.

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You know, we believe, but we don't know that.

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So why not?

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Why not utilize the things that we learn and the things that we experiment with

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improve to ourselves to have the best life possible in this lifetime?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And to follow what makes your heart sing, right?

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To follow your bliss.

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But it's interesting, even then, when you were saying, we believe that, but we don't know it.

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That's a very kind of...

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you know, Newtonian approach to value of thought, right?

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Something's only valuable because I can test it and see it with my eyes or I can

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see a result that I can comprehend.

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Whereas the human eye is only capable of seeing like a tiny fraction of a light spectrum.

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Yeah.

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We live in a world now where unless you can test it and validate it scientifically

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and put a number on it,

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it's worth less than an emotional experience you've had.

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Yeah.

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And people that refuse to believe anything unless science has proven it to them.

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I always say,

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gosh,

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I have experienced so many things that science would say don't exist,

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but I've experienced it.

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So it doesn't matter whether I'm imagining it or I'm really experiencing it.

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It doesn't matter.

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I'm still having the experience.

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I'm having the experience.

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It doesn't matter.

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And there's richness in my life because of the experience that I have had that if I

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just listened to science,

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I would have never believed it or given it power or even had the experience

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probably.

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700 years ago everyone thought the Earth was flat.

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Science would tell you the Earth was flat.

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And Galileo almost lost his life for daring to suggest that the earth revolved

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around the sun and that the earth wasn't the center of the universe.

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So everyone who believes in science,

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and I often think about this,

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what's something we believe today that is going to be ridiculously large?

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Oh, sure.

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The most scientific fact is tomorrow's disproven theory, for sure.

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100%.

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For sure.

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And that's how science works.

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They're always trying to disprove what they believe to be true at the moment.

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Well, that's it.

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The scientists believe there's something else.

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They just want to, they want to validate it and prove it.

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And so they're dreamy.

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Really, a scientist is a dreamy person that believes something more is there.

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And really that something more is usually source and want to find a way to

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authenticate that this is real and not something they just are choosing to believe.

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But then there's other people,

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especially people that claim to be intelligent,

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you know,

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believe they're intelligent.

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They're so intelligent.

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They can't believe anything unless some scientist has proven it.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's the Dunning-Kruger effect, right?

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Where you know a little bit and you think you know everything and you

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overcompensate for the small amount of knowledge you have.

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It's a scientific principle, basically.

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Well, I think it's all rooted in the fact that we want to feel grounded and safe.

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We want to feel safe in our beliefs.

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We want to feel safe and secure in our lives.

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And really, that doesn't exist.

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Safety and security, first of all, you're not going to stay safe forever.

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Eventually, something's going to take you out.

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Whether it's your health or a natural disaster or another person or whatever,

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something's going to take you out of the experience.

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The only real certainty is you're going to die.

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Yeah.

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The only thing that we do know for a fact is that the physical experience is not eternal.

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We haven't found anything yet that is physical eternally.

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And we know that.

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Maybe that's not true.

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Maybe there is a physical environment that's eternal, but we don't have awareness of that.

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So if you know you're going to die,

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it isn't interesting that we're so taught to fear and judge death when it's the one

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thing that we all know we're going to experience.

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Yeah, we spend so much time fearing death, we forget to do the living bit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and how many spiritual practices are out there that are really quasi-religion?

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I talk a lot lately about being spiritually exhausted just because spirituality has

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expanded,

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which I think is a good thing because it's a bridge away from organized religion

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that was very limiting.

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Yeah.

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but it's such a big tent and there's so many beliefs that are all,

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uh,

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you know,

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crowded under the,

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the spiritual umbrella that it can be very confusing.

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And there can be a lot of things that you try that maybe don't work for you or they

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don't work,

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you know,

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on a longterm basis.

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And,

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What I have found is that source is really simple.

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The process of creation is really simple.

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It's very simple.

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And the sexier we try to make it,

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the more mystical we try to make it,

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the more complex it becomes.

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And then you're really not serving anybody by trying to make it something that's so

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sexy and mystical and out there and hard to do.

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It really isn't.

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The hard to do thing is to shift the belief patterns

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that keep you stuck in, in places and circumstances and events that you don't want to be in.

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That's the hard thing is because we're so programmed to, to stay there with fear and judgment.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And there's a, there's a, there's a big difference between simple and easy, right?

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Everything beautifully designed is simple and the universe is, is,

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our understanding of it.

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And it's terribly simple, you know, really at its core.

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And then that doesn't mean that it's easy.

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It doesn't mean that life is easy or that it's supposed to be easy,

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but it is,

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you know,

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I think we believe that you're just here to have a full rich experience.

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Have your experience.

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That's it.

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That's your only job.

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Well, and part of the rich experience includes the things that we have been taught to suffer in.

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but we've been taught to suffer in them.

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We suffer in them because we're taught to suffer in them.

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So suffering is optional.

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And I don't think there's anything wrong with suffering if you choose it,

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but just understand that you're choosing it.

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And to me,

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the understanding of it really shifts because if you feel like something was done

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to you and you had no control over it whatsoever and it was thrust upon you and

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you're judging it as something that shouldn't have happened,

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then you're creating your own suffering.

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Yeah, yeah.

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True.

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My wife,

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who's much more intelligent and brilliant than me,

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was reading a book recently and came across a really cool Buddhist theory called

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the two arrows.

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And it's pretty much what you're saying.

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You get hit by the first arrow, and that hurts, and you take it out.

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And then you get...

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mentally hit by the second arrow which was the injustice of why the hell did anyone

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fire an arrow to me like the physical pain is done the event is passed but you're

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still reliving it that second time and it's not a physical thing that hit you it's

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just your reaction to the event

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to the circumstance.

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And so circumstances will happen to you in your life.

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That's what your life is programmed for, to have a whole bunch of circumstances and experiences.

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And the game, if you will, is to experience the reaction to those circumstances.

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And we see people who have very easy lives and complain all the time.

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And we see people who have very hard lives, difficult lives, and rarely complain.

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You know, and you see, and I'm not,

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judging either of them and everyone does their own thing and i'm not belittling

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anyone who's had serious trauma i imagine that's very difficult to deal with but um

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the way in which you deal with the things that have happened to you just unjust

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lucky unlucky joyous tragic i the way you deal with that and the way you manage

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that second arrow is entirely in your within your control

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Yeah,

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and that's hard for a lot of people to swallow because we've been taught otherwise,

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and they're really stuck in that.

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Yeah, I have to judge this space because, well, why?

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Well, because if I don't judge, it's going to happen again.

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Well,

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there's a lot of things that we judge in this world as things that shouldn't exist

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that still do,

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and in fact,

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they grow and intensify.

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So at some point,

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humanity is going to,

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I think we've already started,

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but more of us are going to wake up and realize,

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wait a minute,

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what we pay attention to,

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we give power to.

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In our lives and across humanity.

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And these big problems that we think we can't solve, notice how we just demonize them.

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And that's what's so disempowering about most religions,

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not all,

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is that you have to demonize something.

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There has to be a boogeyman.

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There has to be a demon.

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This is demonic.

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This is wrong.

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This is something that shouldn't exist and you shouldn't be experiencing.

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And then it goes right into that victim language.

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You shouldn't have experienced that.

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Oh, you poor thing.

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It's not helpful.

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No.

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And again, something being wrong or something being black or white is polarity, right?

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You only know joy because you've suffered pain.

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You only know heat because you've had cold.

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You only know sweet because you've had sour, right?

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That's how the polarity is the way in which we experience everything.

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And this is something that bugs me a lot is this idea of,

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good and bad is taught, right?

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Racism is a taught behavior.

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We're not born racists, right?

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And we're not born liking or disliking Brussels sprouts.

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We're taught that, you know, you have preference for it.

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But interestingly,

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in Japan at school,

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they teach kids to like vegetables at the public schools there,

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at the state schools.

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So when you graduate school in Japan,

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you have been taught to eat healthily and you like it,

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you know?

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It's exactly the same teaching as putting Mars bar vending machines in every school, right?

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It's the same thing that's happening.

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Yeah, you're right.

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And the concept of should not be is the single most damaging thing for humanity and

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the single most damaging thing in somebody's life.

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And that's the concept of that second arrow, right?

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Yeah, that's the concept of the second arrow.

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It's not preference, right?

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We're discerning preference all day.

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That's our ego's job is discern preference.

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We're constantly doing that, and that's how we move through life experience.

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But where we get into judgment is when we start labeling something as shouldn't

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exist,

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shouldn't be,

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because we amp up the energy around it when we're saying that.

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And we've been taught to do that.

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You've got to fight.

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You've got to push against.

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Never forget.

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And all of these things that we never forget,

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that we push against,

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that we fight and we battle,

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only intensify.

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If we want to start solving things as human beings,

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First, start with your own life.

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Start solving the things in your life.

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What are you labeling it should not be that you can change the conversation around?

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And then collectively, there's a lot of power in collective consciousness.

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And collectively, we give power to a lot of things that we don't want.

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And they keep coming back and they get stronger.

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And there are people out there that know this.

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And that's why they don't mind being polarizing.

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They don't mind that part of the population loves them and another part absolutely hates them.

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And you know what I'm talking about.

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They don't mind that because they know that's very empowering.

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Let me hate me.

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You're giving me power.

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It doesn't matter.

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Yeah.

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And,

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you know,

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God or source or the Tao or all of that doesn't mind either because what they're

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interested in is the intensity of the experience.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The source is loving all of it because the new creation that comes from the low

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vibration experience is expansion of consciousness.

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Just as valid as the creation that comes from high value experiences, right?

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It's expansion.

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Well, and the nice thing is that I believe in our intelligence for humans.

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We don't have to react the way we once did.

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We are very reactionary, and that reaction has its place.

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Our fight or flight, if you will, those components of our ego.

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Fear has its place in our ego.

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Something's about to eat me.

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Fear kicks in.

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Fight or flight.

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I'm going to get out of the way,

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or I'm going to fight this thing because my ego wants to live another day,

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period.

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But that has been hijacked.

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Yeah.

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probably thousands of years ago,

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you know,

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somebody figured out,

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oh,

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we can take that fear mechanism.

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Yeah,

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we can take that fear mechanism and we can definitely harness the power of that

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very powerful fear mechanism and we can control human beings with it.

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And we've been controlled by that.

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And I don't think it's necessarily bad.

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We probably wouldn't be having this conversation this way.

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right now if we hadn't moved through a fear-based matrix that motivated us to

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create all the things that we've created as human beings so i don't even think that

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i just think it's time for let's move on to something else already because we know

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it now we the jig is up we know it yeah yeah and look throughout history they've

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been excuse me

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Throughout history, there have been very dark periods, you know.

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I mean, everyone's caught up on Islamic fundamental terrorism at the moment.

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Back in the Middle Ages,

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the fundamental terrorists were the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope sending

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crusades to the Middle East to rape and pillage at will.

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They weren't stealing oil back then.

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I remember going on these tours in Europe and you hear about these little villages

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where certain religions came in and murdered everybody that wouldn't agree with

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them and believe.

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We're not taught that much in the United States,

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but when you get outside the United States,

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you hear that quite a bit.

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Yeah,

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and look,

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and again,

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you know,

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the history of the United States,

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Protestants who left because they wanted to set up their own

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their own belief system and their own structure.

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But look at part of the reason we're so in the United States and in England,

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Europe's a little less and in Asia it's a little less too.

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But part of the reason we're so funny about our sexuality and awkward about it is

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because the Roman Catholic Church was terrified about sexual energy,

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you know?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And they wanted to harness the power of reproduction.

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And how do you harness the power of reproduction if you don't make right and wrong

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what people are naturally motivated to do?

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Yeah.

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And obviously, we're naturally motivated to do far more than what the church prescribes.

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But notice how self-serving it is when you tell people heterosexual sex.

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No abortion, which is a relatively new thing, even in the Catholic Church.

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And no birth control.

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We want more Catholics.

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How are you going to get more Catholics if all the men are doing their thing together?

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Let's get more Catholics by having this.

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And again, if I were trying to build a village, I would probably say, hey, we need more people.

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And that village was going to go to war.

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I would say we need more warriors.

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Or I wanted to be industrialized.

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What do we need?

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We need more workers.

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How are we going to do that?

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We need more people.

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We need more of us.

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Because if there's more of us, we will survive.

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If there's less of us and there's more of them, we might not.

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That's where I came from.

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Yeah.

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And look, in different parts of the world, life is worth different things.

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In America, one person dies.

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There's a huge uproar around it.

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It's on the news for days and days and days.

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In more crowded countries, a thousand people die.

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It doesn't make the news.

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Yeah.

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You know, at all.

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Yeah.

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And definitely the age of critical thinking seems to be becoming hijacked by social

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media,

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by the little device in our pockets,

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by constantly scrolling and seeing,

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you know,

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being influenced.

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And I don't think that we have to avoid those things completely.

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Yeah.

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But you need to develop a system for yourself that when you feel that little

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trigger,

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you feel judgment coming in,

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you stop and say,

(00:29:35):
wait a minute,

(00:29:36):
I want to understand this more deeply.

(00:29:38):
Instead of fearing and judging it and racing down into low vibration and being all

(00:29:42):
upset by something that I've seen,

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I want to understand this more deeply.

(00:29:46):
Anything that triggers me, and it's interesting, I have noted that

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We're doing a lot more advertising right now for Taya in general on Facebook and Instagram.

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And when I have an ad where I get a lot of negative comments right away,

(00:30:04):
I know it's going to do really well.

(00:30:05):
There's a lot of people seeing and commenting and talking about it.

(00:30:08):
And I notice that people ridicule things that they don't bother to even understand.

(00:30:12):
Because you know the people that are ridiculing the ad,

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you know,

(00:30:15):
who's this crazy bald guy talking about this stuff,

(00:30:17):
it's snake oil,

(00:30:18):
it's fake,

(00:30:18):
it's whatever.

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And, you know, that's every, that's daily, that's daily that people say things like that.

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And so...

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It's so easy to just, and I'm not complaining about that.

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That's not a big deal in my life at all.

(00:30:30):
But it's just something that I've taken note of is that people ridicule things that

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they don't understand.

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And so it's kind of ridiculing something.

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I always want to understand it more deeply if I feel like it's even worthy of bothering with.

(00:30:42):
A lot of things out there are not even worthy of bothering with.

(00:30:44):
Yeah,

(00:30:45):
and look,

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there's that beautiful F.

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Scott Fitzgerald quote,

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the sign of intelligence is being able to hold two opposing thoughts in your mind

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at the same time.

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Mm-hmm.

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And usually,

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and one of the catches that I love,

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you know,

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I love my catches whenever I'm,

(00:31:01):
you know,

(00:31:02):
sort of being triggered by something at all,

(00:31:04):
I always have a catch so that I can reframe it to how do I understand this better?

(00:31:09):
The truth is usually in the middle,

(00:31:11):
almost always,

(00:31:12):
because you've got this energy that may seem in opposition,

(00:31:15):
but really it's the same sort of polarized energy.

(00:31:18):
And if you get in the middle of that energy,

(00:31:20):
then you get to see both sides and you realize,

(00:31:23):
ah,

(00:31:23):
there's truth on both sides.

(00:31:25):
And we and we are weakened.

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And this is so important.

(00:31:29):
If you're listening to this and you get nothing else from this podcast,

(00:31:32):
we are weakened when we're polarized,

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when we are drawn.

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up,

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down,

(00:31:37):
left,

(00:31:37):
right,

(00:31:38):
however you want to describe it,

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on any topic,

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we are weaker individuals when we're polarized.

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We are more powerful when we're centered.

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And the way to be centered is to seek appreciation of all things,

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appreciation of both sides,

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instead of bothering,

(00:31:53):
fearing,

(00:31:53):
and judging,

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which disempowers you.

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Yeah, because source doesn't judge.

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Well, that's the thing.

(00:32:01):
You want to know what source is?

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Source is appreciation of all things, period.

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Well, how can source appreciate?

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Well,

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source is in it,

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source is there,

(00:32:08):
source allows it,

(00:32:09):
and if you call source God,

(00:32:11):
well,

(00:32:11):
then God allows it,

(00:32:13):
right?

(00:32:14):
That was one of the things I couldn't reconcile with religion.

(00:32:16):
Okay,

(00:32:17):
God allows this,

(00:32:19):
but God created it and created us and created us in his own image,

(00:32:22):
but at the same time,

(00:32:24):
likes certain versions of us better than others.

(00:32:27):
Yeah, yeah.

(00:32:28):
You know,

(00:32:29):
I grew up in the Deep South where white people were superior to non-white people,

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according to God,

(00:32:34):
according to the churches that I attended when I was a kid,

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that God said,

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and they could read a verse out of the Bible and justify it.

(00:32:41):
And I remember, I'm not hearing that in there.

(00:32:43):
You know, I'm not hearing that at all.

(00:32:44):
You're using the Bible,

(00:32:45):
and of course it's very useful this way,

(00:32:47):
to justify,

(00:32:49):
you know,

(00:32:50):
your own preference,

(00:32:51):
really.

(00:32:51):
Yeah, yeah.

(00:32:52):
Listen, God has been co-opted for...

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racist and hateful campaigns throughout history.

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Hitler was talking about the chosen race being the God-given one.

(00:33:07):
In the Middle East, everyone's God is telling them that they're better than the other ones.

(00:33:13):
So that's an often used excuse.

(00:33:16):
But it comes back to what you said before,

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which is really important,

(00:33:19):
is when you stop being so fixated on that second arrow and that one...

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If you're polarised,

(00:33:27):
there's this kind of idea of...

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I'm right and that's wrong or this is good and that's bad.

(00:33:35):
And there's a tension there.

(00:33:36):
We have talked about that from day one.

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Good, bad, good and evil.

(00:33:41):
You know, this is right.

(00:33:42):
This is wrong.

(00:33:43):
And again, that's polarized thinking.

(00:33:45):
And when you stop thinking something is wrong and we all have this,

(00:33:49):
those of us that have been around,

(00:33:51):
you know,

(00:33:52):
age 40 plus.

(00:33:54):
And if you're not there yet, it's okay.

(00:33:55):
You'll get there.

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Yeah.

(00:33:59):
Well, nowadays there are teenagers that listen to things like this and get really into it.

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That's cool.

(00:34:04):
But if you've lived enough life,

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and what I'm talking about is a linear experience of life,

(00:34:09):
and that's where age has value.

(00:34:11):
So if you've lived enough life to where there was something that you once judged as

(00:34:15):
wrong or should not be,

(00:34:17):
and then your thinking evolved around it,

(00:34:20):
and now you have a whole different experience with it.

(00:34:24):
So we do this naturally.

(00:34:29):
We talk about detuning a lot, finding appreciation for things that we can't readily appreciate.

(00:34:34):
That's a big part of Taya.

(00:34:36):
We naturally detune.

(00:34:39):
I naturally detuned my mother when I was a teenager,

(00:34:42):
you know,

(00:34:42):
that turning point at 14,

(00:34:43):
when she was telling me,

(00:34:44):
you go kill yourself.

(00:34:45):
I hate you.

(00:34:46):
I wish you were never born.

(00:34:47):
That was the best thing ever because that made me kind of step back and realize,

(00:34:51):
wait a minute,

(00:34:52):
this isn't about me.

(00:34:53):
This is her thing.

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And from there forward, just having appreciation of her without needing her to change.

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And guess what?

(00:35:00):
She didn't.

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So, you know,

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that just allowed me to just appreciate her from a distance ultimately,

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but appreciate her because she was just a product of her environment and how she

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chose to respond to it.

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And she didn't have podcasts and metaphysical books.

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And she grew up in small town, Louisiana.

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So she was a product of her time.

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She did what she was told to do and believed what she was told to believe.

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And again,

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coming back to how she responded to it and coming back to how you responded to it,

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the first arrow was this awful thing your mother said to you

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you know really really hideous thing said to you and then the second arrow was you

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decided actually i don't believe that and and i and and the value yeah and and the

(00:35:43):
value of my mother or my relationship to my mother isn't bound up in believing

(00:35:47):
everything she says you know which is a rule to everything yeah yeah and and you

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know

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My father was a difficult person.

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I mean, I love him dearly, but he was a difficult person.

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And one of the biggest things I had to understand was I can still love him even

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though I don't like a lot of the stuff that he did,

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you know,

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or even though I wished he would have been a different way.

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Everyone's kind of flawed.

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And then coming back to this kind of,

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you know,

(00:36:18):
second arrow thing,

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you have people who get divorced and you have women who've been divorced 15 years

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and they still haven't moved on from the injustice of it.

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Yeah.

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And that was my mother also.

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She got divorced in 1975 and lived to 2014.

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And I don't think I ever got over it.

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And it was her choice.

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You know,

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she,

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yeah,

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she was in her thirties when she got divorced and she had a lot of opportunities.

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And at one point, a couple of years after she got divorced, she inherited some money.

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And I remember telling her, you know, this is your chance to really kind of reinvent.

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I was a kid, I was 12 years old.

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And I remember saying, no, I was nine when this happened.

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I was nine years old.

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And

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I remember saying to her,

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you know,

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you can go to school,

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you can start a business,

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you can do all these things.

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And none of that happened.

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We just blew through it.

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And we're actually even more in poverty once the money was gone than we were before we had it.

(00:37:10):
And,

(00:37:10):
you know,

(00:37:10):
she missed these opportunities,

(00:37:12):
I think,

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because she just didn't think she was worthy of them.

(00:37:15):
Yeah.

(00:37:15):
Yeah.

(00:37:16):
Yeah.

(00:37:17):
Thousand percent.

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What's that stat?

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Ninety eight percent of people who win the lottery are back to where they started

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two years later.

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yeah or worse because it's the the money has created a lot more problems in their

(00:37:26):
lives than they had to worry about before and not just lottery winners you know

(00:37:29):
sports stars as well it speaks to it does speak to vibration because when you

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accumulate wealth over time and whether you're investing or working or some

(00:37:41):
combination of those things when you accumulate it over time you have the time to

(00:37:45):
adjust to that new altitude

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And you become that new version of yourself.

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And everybody wants a quick fix.

(00:37:51):
We want to push that Amazon button for everything.

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I want my life to be perfect tomorrow.

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And I went through a decade of that until I realized that,

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okay,

(00:38:00):
I have incrementally improved,

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but where I'm suffering is that the tomorrow hasn't shown up fast enough.

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Why don't I just shut up about that and just enjoy the practice and the journey?

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And that's where I am now.

(00:38:13):
And anybody that practices Thai,

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I always say,

(00:38:16):
you know,

(00:38:17):
you're really there when you fall in love with the practice so much that it just

(00:38:20):
becomes your way of being and you're no longer needing anything to shift or change.

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And that's when really things really took the shift and change too.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's always that, right?

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It's always that.

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When you start, you want this and that and you want the material stuff.

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And when you finally get the material stuff,

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you realize,

(00:38:38):
I mean,

(00:38:39):
it's nice,

(00:38:40):
but the real gift is not having that second arrow.

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Yeah.

(00:38:47):
Well, and I will tell you that, you know, for my life,

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My life journey, let's just say from adulthood, early 20s till now, I'll be 58 next month.

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I'm pushing 60 here.

(00:39:02):
My life journey so far and the journey of Taya,

(00:39:06):
I would have never imagined getting to this place the way that I did with my life

(00:39:14):
or with Taya.

(00:39:15):
I would not change a thing.

(00:39:17):
Absolutely.

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There have been challenges.

(00:39:19):
Absolutely.

(00:39:20):
There have been twists and turns.

(00:39:21):
Absolutely.

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There have been spin outs that I thought were going to end me or in the practice

(00:39:26):
or,

(00:39:26):
you know,

(00:39:26):
whatever.

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And all of it allowed me to make adjustments and create a better version of a

(00:39:35):
better version of,

(00:39:35):
you know,

(00:39:36):
I'm in my third marriage.

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Uh, I am, you know, I've been up and down health wise, you know, not health wise.

(00:39:44):
Actually, my health's always been really good weight, weight wise.

(00:39:46):
I've been up and down weight wise.

(00:39:47):
So I have these spin outs.

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I have these experiences and I'll go over here and I'll be this way for a while and

(00:39:51):
I'll go over there and do that.

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And then what I notice is, is that I'm collecting experiences.

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You know,

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I know what it's like to walk into a place and have everyone turn and look at me,

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which is really nice for your ego.

(00:40:02):
And I also know what it's like to walk into a clothing store and have the guy at

(00:40:05):
the back yell,

(00:40:06):
nothing in here is going to fit you.

(00:40:10):
Michael and I joke about that all the time.

(00:40:12):
We'd put on a lot of weight during COVID and we walked into this Italian,

(00:40:15):
you know,

(00:40:16):
Italian clothing is very,

(00:40:18):
and you know,

(00:40:19):
the guy in there just said that and we just laughed and we ended up making friends

(00:40:22):
with this guy and we ended up buying some jackets from him,

(00:40:24):
but you know,

(00:40:25):
it was just so damn funny and we weren't offended by it.

(00:40:28):
You know,

(00:40:28):
it's like these two big guys walk in and you know,

(00:40:30):
he's just saying nothing is going to fit you.

(00:40:33):
But I know, I know both sides of that coin and I love that I know both sides.

(00:40:40):
Yeah,

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and I know what it's like to have plenty of money flowing in and spend like there's

(00:40:44):
no tomorrow and have just about everything that I want.

(00:40:47):
And I know what it's like to think,

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oh,

(00:40:48):
my God,

(00:40:48):
I don't know how I'm,

(00:40:49):
you know,

(00:40:50):
I might be homeless next week.

(00:40:52):
I don't know how I'm going to buy groceries.

(00:40:53):
I don't know how I'm going to feed myself.

(00:40:54):
I've been in both.

(00:40:55):
And I would not change that for anything.

(00:40:59):
Because one of my favorite experiences is times I've been flat broke and then found

(00:41:04):
my way out of it because I didn't judge it.

(00:41:06):
I just enjoyed the experience.

(00:41:08):
Oh, of course, this is where I am.

(00:41:10):
I've been worried about money and I've let the momentum build around that.

(00:41:13):
And reality is showing up for me.

(00:41:15):
It does very quickly.

(00:41:16):
And I know how to shift it.

(00:41:19):
And it will shift as soon as I just appreciate the experience that I'm in.

(00:41:24):
Yeah, it does.

(00:41:25):
And what joy to be able to find joy in everything.

(00:41:32):
You know,

(00:41:33):
what a miracle it is to be able to see the happiness in every situation that you're

(00:41:37):
in.

(00:41:38):
Yeah.

(00:41:39):
You know, I'll wrap up with one more story.

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I worked in retail for many, many years.

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And retail can be brutal because the person walking through the door,

(00:41:46):
the customer,

(00:41:47):
you know,

(00:41:48):
we were in high-end retail.

(00:41:49):
The things we were selling were expensive.

(00:41:52):
And

(00:41:53):
People can just be brutal.

(00:41:55):
And then when people spend a lot of money,

(00:41:57):
when they are your client and they do spend a lot of money and something goes

(00:42:00):
wrong,

(00:42:00):
they can be really brutal.

(00:42:02):
I used to always tell the sales team,

(00:42:04):
you know,

(00:42:04):
people don't get any nicer after you take their money.

(00:42:06):
So make sure you really want to do business with these people before you sell them.

(00:42:10):
Right.

(00:42:10):
Well, you know, retail is all about take everybody's money.

(00:42:13):
We need everybody's money.

(00:42:13):
And I didn't work.

(00:42:14):
I didn't operate like that.

(00:42:15):
I was very successful in my position and I spoke exact opposite of what the company

(00:42:19):
taught very often.

(00:42:21):
And I would say you want the right customer.

(00:42:24):
You want to do business with the person that you're aligned with.

(00:42:27):
You don't want to necessarily try to sell something to every person that walks through the door.

(00:42:30):
That's not what we're here for.

(00:42:31):
And so.

(00:42:33):
In training people,

(00:42:34):
I would always say,

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you want to make sure that you are in alignment with them,

(00:42:39):
that they're the kind of person you want to deal with.

(00:42:42):
And understand that we have to be able to go in the back room and laugh about these

(00:42:48):
things because it's so stressful.

(00:42:50):
We've got to be able to just laugh all this stuff off because sometimes people are

(00:42:54):
brutal and nasty and bad things happen and money goes away and commissions go away.

(00:42:58):
And the only way to survive in a high stress environment like that

(00:43:02):
is to go laugh about it.

(00:43:04):
Let's go just blow off steam.

(00:43:07):
You've got to be able to do that in a high-stress situation.

(00:43:09):
So take that to your life.

(00:43:11):
You've got to be able to make fun.

(00:43:14):
And I don't mean make fun of people necessarily, but you need to be able to make fun

(00:43:19):
In any situation, no matter how dire, you've got to be able to make fun.

(00:43:24):
If something happened to somebody that I deeply cared about,

(00:43:26):
the first thing I would do is want to find the fun in it.

(00:43:29):
What's the laughter I can have?

(00:43:31):
What's the appreciation of this experience, even if it's grief?

(00:43:36):
Even if it's grief.

(00:43:38):
Yeah.

(00:43:38):
And often those experiences,

(00:43:40):
grief and pain and suffering,

(00:43:42):
really intense suffering,

(00:43:44):
they're rare experiences,

(00:43:46):
hopefully.

(00:43:47):
And so you should treasure them for the rareness of it.

(00:43:53):
Well, that was another, I said I was going to wrap up on the last thought, I'll wrap up on this.

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And one of the things I did really go deep with the stream about early on is trying

(00:44:02):
to understand people that are in a suffering situation that is well beyond what I

(00:44:08):
have experienced personally.

(00:44:10):
Cause I, you know, I'm a white man living in the United States of America.

(00:44:13):
Pretty damn good here for me.

(00:44:15):
So didn't always feel that way, but I get it now.

(00:44:19):
So now,

(00:44:21):
well,

(00:44:21):
anybody that's in their situation,

(00:44:23):
they're pretty much in their bubble of reality and they're comparing everything to

(00:44:25):
their bubble of reality.

(00:44:26):
But that's, that's another topic for another podcast.

(00:44:28):
But think about the person that is born into,

(00:44:32):
you know,

(00:44:33):
the,

(00:44:33):
the,

(00:44:34):
the starving village,

(00:44:36):
the drought,

(00:44:36):
the,

(00:44:37):
the war,

(00:44:38):
the genocide,

(00:44:39):
that sort of circumstance where if we were the fly on the wall in their life,

(00:44:46):
we'd say,

(00:44:47):
oh my God,

(00:44:48):
hunger and abuse and sickness and death all around you.

(00:44:52):
And then the army is going to come in and wipe the village out and maybe you're the

(00:44:56):
lone survivor.

(00:44:57):
And now not only are you sick and starving and dehydrated,

(00:45:02):
you've seen your whole family,

(00:45:03):
that sort of thing.

(00:45:05):
and you know how i i'm trying to wrap my head around that and what they shared with

(00:45:09):
me was you're in this experience in this vibration and trying to understand their

(00:45:17):
experience and their vibration from where you are you might as well try to

(00:45:20):
understand somebody on a different planet because they're just choosing such a

(00:45:24):
different experience and when we say choosing remember how we started out this

(00:45:28):
episode talking about how earth as a human is a very advanced way for a soul to

(00:45:33):
express

(00:45:36):
The soul that's choosing that is choosing that for the expansion of consciousness

(00:45:43):
that's available in it.

(00:45:44):
We think we're luckier.

(00:45:46):
We're just not there yet.

(00:45:50):
Yeah.

(00:45:50):
Wow.

(00:45:52):
All right.

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On that heavy note…

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It's always good to talk to you.

(00:45:58):
I can have these deep conversations with you.

(00:46:02):
We have such an interesting group of coaches at Thai Academy because we have

(00:46:06):
Michael,

(00:46:07):
the psychologist.

(00:46:08):
We have Derek, the scientist.

(00:46:09):
We have David Rood, the one that just really gets into it.

(00:46:12):
He calls himself a Thai geek.

(00:46:13):
I think I gave him that name a long time ago, but he really is deep into Thai.

(00:46:16):
Yeah.

(00:46:17):
And you are really deep into a myriad of practices and philosophies that you study.

(00:46:22):
And so it's so interesting.

(00:46:24):
I was telling somebody the other day that when we decided to launch the new program

(00:46:29):
and I decided it was time to bring in more coaches,

(00:46:32):
I realized all of our coaches were already there.

(00:46:35):
They were already right there in my world.

(00:46:37):
You know,

(00:46:38):
and that's what's so wonderful about this is that,

(00:46:40):
you know,

(00:46:41):
I didn't have to go out and look for people and train.

(00:46:43):
No,

(00:46:43):
they're already there and they're already bringing all these different perspectives

(00:46:47):
and it has enriched Taya so much.

(00:46:49):
We were all aligned with a system that we can operate our lives with that does away

(00:46:55):
with suffering unless we just choose it and allows life to become more and more

(00:47:00):
magical on an ever increasing basis.

(00:47:03):
It's such an efficient system.

(00:47:04):
It's amazing.

(00:47:06):
I'm definitely about systems and efficiency and,

(00:47:08):
you know,

(00:47:09):
I love all the spiritual stuff,

(00:47:10):
but how do we,

(00:47:11):
I'm spiritually exhausted.

(00:47:12):
How do I just make this work?

(00:47:13):
What really matters?

(00:47:15):
And the four pillars of Thaya are what really matter.

(00:47:17):
And we're seeing that again and again and again across everyone that chooses to practice it.

(00:47:21):
Thank you all so much for listening.

(00:47:23):
Always good to have you on.

(00:47:24):
Thank you.

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That's it for today.

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Taya is a system of elite emotional mastery.

(00:47:31):
The work lives at tayaacademy.com.

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I'll leave it there.