WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.420 --> 00:00:02.396 Alison: Are you hearing five of yourself? 00:00:02.440 --> 00:00:03.970 Matt: I think today it's only two. 00:00:04.390 --> 00:00:04.960 That's fine. 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:06.780 Alison: That feels like nightmare fuel to me, man. 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:09.210 Matt: I know, but I don't know what else to do about it. 00:00:09.579 --> 00:00:11.019 Alison: I applaud your tenacity. 00:00:12.639 --> 00:00:14.949 Matt: Is it tenacity or stupidity? 00:00:15.526 --> 00:00:16.336 Alison: Yes. 00:00:17.859 --> 00:00:19.049 Indeedy. 00:00:19.449 --> 00:00:21.609 Matt: Hello, Alison. 00:00:22.509 --> 00:00:23.949 Alison: Hello, Matthew. 00:00:24.219 --> 00:00:24.939 Matt: let me, sorry. 00:00:24.939 --> 00:00:27.009 Let me remove the creepy picture. 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:29.991 Alison: Matthew's favorite thing to do, put things on the 00:00:29.991 --> 00:00:31.851 screen that'll make me scream. 00:00:33.441 --> 00:00:34.461 Matt: Oh, yeah. 00:00:34.528 --> 00:00:37.077 Uh, demons, demons anyway. 00:00:37.287 --> 00:00:38.397 Hello, happy Friday. 00:00:39.081 --> 00:00:39.471 Alison: Love it. 00:00:39.571 --> 00:00:43.692 Matt: Um, so it's a rainy gray Friday. 00:00:44.142 --> 00:00:46.542 It's been 40 days of gray. 00:00:46.606 --> 00:00:47.716 Alison: That's a lot of gray. 00:00:47.796 --> 00:00:50.476 Matt: Two sunny days in 40 days. 00:00:51.406 --> 00:00:53.416 That's too much. 00:00:53.866 --> 00:00:56.086 That's too much. 00:00:56.626 --> 00:01:01.559 Alison: I just, I feel sometimes like you and I just need to trade where we live. 00:01:01.565 --> 00:01:05.045 I just think you're more wired for where I am. 00:01:05.045 --> 00:01:06.815 And I'm more wired for where you are. 00:01:07.125 --> 00:01:08.145 Matt: That could be true. 00:01:08.195 --> 00:01:11.996 I'm definitely not wired for here and I never have been. 00:01:13.030 --> 00:01:13.850 Alison: Wired for here. 00:01:13.924 --> 00:01:14.384 I 00:01:14.494 --> 00:01:15.974 Matt: I'm not wired for there either! 00:01:17.184 --> 00:01:18.654 Alison: Where are we wired for? 00:01:19.134 --> 00:01:20.124 Where do we belong? 00:01:20.424 --> 00:01:21.084 Oh, God. 00:01:21.774 --> 00:01:24.144 This is taking a, uh turn. 00:01:24.262 --> 00:01:27.362 This is what happens when we record on Fridays. 00:01:28.472 --> 00:01:30.302 Normally we don't dear listener. 00:01:30.332 --> 00:01:32.792 Normally this is a midweek party for us. 00:01:32.912 --> 00:01:35.822 This week it's a Friday, not even Friday. 00:01:35.822 --> 00:01:37.742 It's 5:30 on Friday for me. 00:01:37.742 --> 00:01:40.022 So like my brain is out of my head. 00:01:40.442 --> 00:01:42.032 Just over there. 00:01:42.062 --> 00:01:42.662 Matt: That's okay. 00:01:42.692 --> 00:01:43.355 If it happens. 00:01:43.355 --> 00:01:44.345 If it doesn't happen. 00:01:44.945 --> 00:01:48.305 This could either be episode five or the Lost episode. 00:01:48.530 --> 00:01:49.430 What if we did. 00:01:50.090 --> 00:01:51.260 An entire episode. 00:01:52.010 --> 00:01:59.330 Where we recapped all five—six?—seasons of Lost. 00:02:00.018 --> 00:02:03.258 Alison: That wouldn't work because I only watched seasons one and 00:02:03.258 --> 00:02:07.278 whatever the last season was, I just skipped the whole middle. 00:02:07.428 --> 00:02:11.598 And I'm probably the only person that didn't hate the ending as 00:02:11.598 --> 00:02:14.328 a result because I didn't invest all those years in between. 00:02:14.958 --> 00:02:17.208 And that seems like what people were most mad about. 00:02:17.208 --> 00:02:18.468 Like I watched all that... 00:02:19.008 --> 00:02:19.668 for that? 00:02:20.178 --> 00:02:20.708 And I'm like meh! 00:02:21.018 --> 00:02:22.870 I watched 18 episodes for that. 00:02:22.870 --> 00:02:24.220 I didn't lose a lot of time on it. 00:02:24.320 --> 00:02:25.820 So we'll have to pick a different show. 00:02:25.820 --> 00:02:30.270 If you want me to go deep on a season by season breakdown. 00:02:30.290 --> 00:02:31.820 Matt: What show would that be, by the way, Alison. 00:02:31.841 --> 00:02:33.491 Alison: the other thing is, I don't know that I don't know what 00:02:33.491 --> 00:02:36.071 show we've both watched all of. 00:02:36.645 --> 00:02:39.945 Matt: I wonder if we share any sitcoms, like The Office or. 00:02:40.275 --> 00:02:41.685 Oh Friends 00:02:42.345 --> 00:02:44.505 Alison: Friends or Firefly. 00:02:44.805 --> 00:02:45.765 Matt: Firefly. 00:02:46.035 --> 00:02:48.105 Wait, you have seen all of Firefly? 00:02:48.345 --> 00:02:49.275 Alison: Yes. 00:02:50.175 --> 00:02:53.505 Matt: You left Buffy and order to get to Firefly. 00:02:53.685 --> 00:02:55.245 Alison: Now I've seen all of Buffy too. 00:02:55.305 --> 00:02:56.265 Matt: Oh, wow. 00:02:56.305 --> 00:02:57.594 Alison: We could do Buffy, like. 00:02:57.726 --> 00:02:59.256 The end was a slog for me. 00:02:59.256 --> 00:03:02.123 The last season of it was great, but three through five. 00:03:02.153 --> 00:03:03.203 Absolutely not. 00:03:03.236 --> 00:03:04.496 Except for the musical episode. 00:03:04.536 --> 00:03:06.066 Matt: I would say four through five. 00:03:06.094 --> 00:03:08.824 Three four is when she goes to. 00:03:09.484 --> 00:03:11.704 Alison: It's for when she goes to college, three is all high school. 00:03:11.704 --> 00:03:12.064 Okay. 00:03:12.156 --> 00:03:13.056 then you are correct. 00:03:13.086 --> 00:03:13.536 Okay. 00:03:13.626 --> 00:03:14.166 Matt: Yeah. 00:03:14.646 --> 00:03:14.886 Yeah. 00:03:14.946 --> 00:03:15.156 Alison: Yeah. 00:03:15.156 --> 00:03:15.546 So see. 00:03:16.236 --> 00:03:17.436 There is some overlap. 00:03:18.216 --> 00:03:21.340 Well, and you were there for my launch into Buffy. 00:03:21.690 --> 00:03:26.080 there the first time I watched the very first episode ever and then 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:31.060 we condensed the entire season and to something stupid, like 13 days. 00:03:31.110 --> 00:03:35.180 Matt: Let me share something with the listeners of ADHd20. 00:03:35.196 --> 00:03:36.238 My friend, Alison. 00:03:36.488 --> 00:03:38.053 Alison: I'm about whatever you're going to say. 00:03:38.143 --> 00:03:43.183 Matt: My friend Alison made an enormous deal of being frightened 00:03:43.393 --> 00:03:45.553 of things, horror movies. 00:03:46.193 --> 00:03:50.496 And then the list was very long, but I had faith that she could pull through. 00:03:50.766 --> 00:03:55.383 And now we play this game called Dungeons and Dragons that is set in 00:03:55.423 --> 00:04:04.566 a land that is chock-a-block full of vampires, zombies, nightmarish things. 00:04:05.105 --> 00:04:09.160 You were truly worried that you would be afraid of Barovia. 00:04:09.940 --> 00:04:12.767 But you were really worried that...I can't even do it. 00:04:13.167 --> 00:04:16.727 You were really worried that you were, gonna be afraid of Buffy. 00:04:21.520 --> 00:04:22.150 My God. 00:04:22.270 --> 00:04:22.420 No. 00:04:22.420 --> 00:04:25.067 I know there's a couple of moments here and there. 00:04:25.337 --> 00:04:25.937 Hush. 00:04:26.127 --> 00:04:27.997 Alison: Uh, I hated Hush. 00:04:27.997 --> 00:04:28.737 Matt: Hush is very scary.. 00:04:28.737 --> 00:04:30.363 That was genuinely scary. 00:04:30.933 --> 00:04:33.573 Alison: I will admit that Hush is one of the best episodes. 00:04:34.023 --> 00:04:34.293 Matt: Yeah. 00:04:34.443 --> 00:04:35.643 Alison: But it was scary. 00:04:35.793 --> 00:04:36.873 So I didn't love it. 00:04:36.963 --> 00:04:37.233 Matt: Yeah. 00:04:37.983 --> 00:04:43.053 Yeah, but you have just come so far is what I'm my point is that you crave. 00:04:43.293 --> 00:04:45.423 You crave the night now. 00:04:45.573 --> 00:04:47.313 You crave the night. 00:04:48.273 --> 00:04:51.483 Alison: For whatever it is, I've never had a problem with vampires and zombies. 00:04:51.543 --> 00:04:54.813 Those have been the two horror genres that I'm okay with. 00:04:55.473 --> 00:04:55.953 Matt: Really. 00:04:56.973 --> 00:05:02.543 Alison: It's more like I do not do anything ghosty supernatural, like that. 00:05:02.593 --> 00:05:06.831 Or just gruesome, like anything along like the Freddy Kruger and, 00:05:06.923 --> 00:05:09.293 Centipede and like any of those 00:05:09.653 --> 00:05:10.043 Matt: Wow. 00:05:10.703 --> 00:05:14.073 You went from Freddy Krueger to Centipede 00:05:15.073 --> 00:05:15.683 Alison: Quite the leap! 00:05:16.893 --> 00:05:17.673 Matt: Whoa. 00:05:18.003 --> 00:05:20.333 There's so much in between that. 00:05:20.483 --> 00:05:20.723 Yeah. 00:05:20.843 --> 00:05:21.443 Alison: Between those two. 00:05:21.443 --> 00:05:26.549 I really, really, really wanted to love Supernatural because I have a 00:05:26.579 --> 00:05:28.639 massive crush on Jared Padalecki. 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:30.659 And it scares me too much. 00:05:30.659 --> 00:05:34.769 Like I, that, that was one that I gave a…yes, Supernatural scares the 00:05:34.769 --> 00:05:39.047 shit out of me, which is probably why you guys had to drag me into Buffy. 00:05:39.197 --> 00:05:39.707 Matt: Yeah. 00:05:40.307 --> 00:05:40.926 Interesting. 00:05:40.926 --> 00:05:44.169 Alison: First of all, the first two seasons of Buffy, like you could see 00:05:44.169 --> 00:05:46.239 the strings holding up the baddies. 00:05:46.333 --> 00:05:49.633 I didn't have to willingly suspend my disbelief there. 00:05:50.023 --> 00:05:51.763 Matt: You could absolutely see the, 00:05:51.763 --> 00:05:52.513 Alison: the zippers. 00:05:52.993 --> 00:05:53.443 You know, 00:05:53.864 --> 00:05:55.819 Matt: But Anyway, I've been very impressed. 00:05:55.868 --> 00:05:56.918 The scary things can be fun. 00:05:57.273 --> 00:06:00.213 Alison: This, our whole friendship has been a journey of you pulling me into 00:06:00.213 --> 00:06:02.823 the scary woods and the nerdy woods. 00:06:03.363 --> 00:06:05.393 And I've come very far in both plights. 00:06:05.463 --> 00:06:11.313 Matt: And that is a great segueway to what I wanted to talk about today, Alison. 00:06:13.083 --> 00:06:14.943 We've actually talked about this already. 00:06:15.129 --> 00:06:18.400 Chances are, we'll talk about it many times in this podcast. 00:06:18.400 --> 00:06:24.740 One of the reasons we wanted to start this is because you are a woman 00:06:25.550 --> 00:06:28.630 with ADHD, but more impulsive type. 00:06:29.050 --> 00:06:32.410 And I am more inattentive type and they're suppose quote-unquote supposed 00:06:32.410 --> 00:06:35.189 to be, generally the other way around. 00:06:35.189 --> 00:06:40.294 And you said something the other day to me, that struck fear into my heart. 00:06:41.164 --> 00:06:41.554 Alison: No. 00:06:41.624 --> 00:06:41.834 Matt: No. 00:06:42.154 --> 00:06:46.453 It didn't, it wasn't that bad, but, you were like something about getting all 00:06:46.453 --> 00:06:48.283 the, not knowing how to do anything. 00:06:49.483 --> 00:06:49.900 And. 00:06:49.900 --> 00:06:53.005 And I, I was thinking about it because it, I'm in a situation. 00:06:53.005 --> 00:06:59.325 My wife's father is just a salt of the earth Midwestern man. 00:06:59.419 --> 00:07:00.619 He is old school. 00:07:01.369 --> 00:07:03.439 And an amazing person. 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:08.481 Somehow he ended up being a liberal in a family of, not as liberals and. 00:07:08.539 --> 00:07:11.599 he's giving and kind and strong. 00:07:11.991 --> 00:07:17.160 And the man refuses outright to even try. 00:07:17.610 --> 00:07:19.930 To even try technology. 00:07:20.740 --> 00:07:25.550 And it's something that we laugh about because it's so easy to do, right? 00:07:25.670 --> 00:07:30.290 It's so easy to, as you get older and as technology moves faster. 00:07:30.747 --> 00:07:31.857 To let it go. 00:07:31.887 --> 00:07:32.067 Right. 00:07:32.157 --> 00:07:33.387 I just let it go. 00:07:33.525 --> 00:07:37.009 Certainly with something like social media, I don't always have 00:07:37.009 --> 00:07:42.439 the energy to quote unquote, do it to create it, to be a part of it. 00:07:43.429 --> 00:07:44.719 That doesn't mean that I don't know how. 00:07:44.799 --> 00:07:50.079 But when it comes to a new something, a form of communication that supersedes 00:07:50.109 --> 00:07:54.009 older communications, when this new technology becomes ubiquitous. 00:07:54.258 --> 00:08:00.418 You have to get on it because I've seen my wife's broken heart. 00:08:00.468 --> 00:08:04.308 Because she used to be able to communicate with her dad. 00:08:04.308 --> 00:08:05.014 And now she can't. 00:08:05.071 --> 00:08:05.401 I don't know. 00:08:05.401 --> 00:08:07.856 I wanted to just see if that's interesting. 00:08:08.246 --> 00:08:10.916 I don't know whether we might've started off talking about this. 00:08:10.916 --> 00:08:12.356 I don't even remember what it was. 00:08:12.446 --> 00:08:14.276 Was it virtual tabletops or. 00:08:14.276 --> 00:08:14.696 Alison: No. 00:08:14.696 --> 00:08:19.026 I remember exactly what it was the very software that we use to edit 00:08:19.086 --> 00:08:21.186 these here, podcasts, Descript. 00:08:21.606 --> 00:08:25.236 And so I am learning Descript so that way Matt does not have to become the 00:08:25.236 --> 00:08:27.472 one man show on the editing train. 00:08:27.842 --> 00:08:32.298 I've watched him do it, but I hadn't like actually put my toe in. 00:08:32.658 --> 00:08:34.821 So the first thing that happened is I wanted to create 00:08:34.821 --> 00:08:36.201 like a backup, a fail safe. 00:08:36.201 --> 00:08:37.911 And you were like, just do it. 00:08:37.911 --> 00:08:38.621 There's versioning! 00:08:38.883 --> 00:08:39.753 You're not going to break it. 00:08:39.818 --> 00:08:43.088 There's that mentality that everything is precious. 00:08:43.088 --> 00:08:46.808 It's like I buy a beautiful new journal and I don't want to write 00:08:46.838 --> 00:08:48.158 in it because it's too pretty. 00:08:48.158 --> 00:08:51.601 And I think I might ruin it, And that's why did I buy the journal then? 00:08:51.661 --> 00:08:54.191 Journals were not meant to sit on a shelf and be blank. 00:08:54.631 --> 00:08:57.263 And so that was what started the conversation. 00:08:57.263 --> 00:09:00.623 And then you were telling me some hotkeys. 00:09:01.142 --> 00:09:04.052 I do not use keyboard shortcuts in anything I do. 00:09:04.052 --> 00:09:08.332 And I have a lot of developer friends, I surround myself with you guys apparently. 00:09:09.142 --> 00:09:12.666 And it drives them crazy, that I move my mouse to where I needed 00:09:12.666 --> 00:09:17.562 to go and click on things rather than just hit, alt + option + Q. 00:09:18.909 --> 00:09:20.117 That was how we started. 00:09:20.117 --> 00:09:21.047 Cause you be, you. 00:09:21.317 --> 00:09:24.348 If you're not willing to learn it, you know, like there's going to 00:09:24.378 --> 00:09:27.934 become a time where it could be too late, not to go doomsday on us. 00:09:27.934 --> 00:09:33.047 Matt: And I, that was a terrible example from my point of view, because of course 00:09:33.047 --> 00:09:34.427 you don't need to learn shortcuts. 00:09:34.907 --> 00:09:38.237 Though I have seen you and your first reaction be, "No. 00:09:38.597 --> 00:09:39.128 nuh-uh, no." 00:09:39.578 --> 00:09:39.688 Alison: i...I...I... 00:09:40.788 --> 00:09:42.018 We didn't mean to do this. 00:09:42.018 --> 00:09:43.788 This was a beautiful accident. 00:09:43.788 --> 00:09:44.268 I think 00:09:44.838 --> 00:09:48.357 That we've come full circle from how we started talking, which was 00:09:48.357 --> 00:09:53.689 around, like you had to work so hard to get me into Buffy and Strahd and 00:09:53.689 --> 00:09:55.699 other like horror adjacent things. 00:09:55.699 --> 00:09:57.349 But once you get me there, it's 00:09:57.846 --> 00:09:58.266 Matt: Yeah. 00:09:58.746 --> 00:10:00.549 Alison: And it's almost the same thing you know, you have to 00:10:00.549 --> 00:10:02.439 work so hard to get me to try. 00:10:02.439 --> 00:10:03.618 And then once I'm in, I'm all in. 00:10:04.458 --> 00:10:05.148 Matt: Yes. 00:10:05.628 --> 00:10:06.010 Yes. 00:10:06.060 --> 00:10:10.161 The reason I wanted to bring it up was just how different it is from me and my 00:10:10.191 --> 00:10:13.651 incessant need to learn that new stuff. 00:10:13.711 --> 00:10:20.013 And so I do not have a fear that I will fall behind on the tech train necessarily. 00:10:20.223 --> 00:10:23.883 I certainly don't have the energy for as much stuff as I used to. 00:10:23.883 --> 00:10:27.956 And I certainly I understand that there will be generations that grab 00:10:27.956 --> 00:10:33.968 on to these new devices, this new technology faster and more, efficiently. 00:10:34.059 --> 00:10:36.693 I see that happening and that's just, that's human nature. 00:10:36.729 --> 00:10:41.812 Um, One of the most inspiring people that I knew was this fella 00:10:42.232 --> 00:10:46.747 that lived in Chicago and he was a fan of the band that I was in. 00:10:47.137 --> 00:10:49.117 He found out that I was in Chicago. 00:10:49.897 --> 00:10:53.637 And just tried and tried to meet with me. 00:10:53.702 --> 00:10:59.282 And he ends up being one of the most fascinating people I've ever met. 00:10:59.372 --> 00:11:02.120 And he looks like a hobo. 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:03.350 He's 70 years old. 00:11:03.457 --> 00:11:08.625 and I, I'm like almost scared sitting down with him in this public place. 00:11:09.075 --> 00:11:15.785 But I realized that he is just a teenage 70 year old, right? 00:11:15.935 --> 00:11:17.465 He doesn't take care of himself physically. 00:11:17.465 --> 00:11:18.545 He does a lot of drugs. 00:11:18.945 --> 00:11:21.871 He started talking about virtual reality and this is There's a lot 00:11:21.871 --> 00:11:25.528 going on 10 years ago And, and he did not ever want to let go. 00:11:25.580 --> 00:11:26.591 And he told me. 00:11:26.651 --> 00:11:27.328 Matt you. 00:11:28.168 --> 00:11:33.192 You've got to keep using it, because there's so many good things. 00:11:33.222 --> 00:11:34.872 There's so many good things that can happen. 00:11:35.292 --> 00:11:36.252 Don't be afraid of it. 00:11:36.702 --> 00:11:37.932 You can't break anything. 00:11:38.232 --> 00:11:40.782 I was like, man, I need, I want to live by that. 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:43.659 And I have, and I want to. 00:11:43.694 --> 00:11:47.406 And so I feel like even loving technology, just blossomed even more 00:11:47.736 --> 00:11:50.196 thanks to having him in my brain. 00:11:50.205 --> 00:11:51.169 And, anyway. 00:11:51.229 --> 00:11:54.069 I just, I want to urge anybody listening to this. 00:11:54.149 --> 00:11:57.911 You can't break things as Alison said, and number two, don't become like Lindsay's 00:11:57.931 --> 00:11:59.801 dad, because it, it will make you sad. 00:11:59.801 --> 00:12:01.401 I think it makes him sad. 00:12:01.401 --> 00:12:06.471 I'm not saying this to like, Shake a finger or anything, or, don't be like me. 00:12:06.969 --> 00:12:11.063 I just wanted to discuss, like, why do you think that is that for you? 00:12:11.303 --> 00:12:13.673 Like, where does the impetus come from? 00:12:13.693 --> 00:12:15.793 I know we talked about how your default. 00:12:15.860 --> 00:12:17.675 comfort is rewatching things. 00:12:17.725 --> 00:12:18.625 All of that's fine. 00:12:18.625 --> 00:12:19.315 That's totally great. 00:12:19.675 --> 00:12:21.968 But what do you think it is? 00:12:22.029 --> 00:12:24.497 You've also talked about how You don't want to be bad at something, but. 00:12:25.097 --> 00:12:26.207 You're not though. 00:12:26.280 --> 00:12:29.160 I mean, you as a person, you've got to know that you're not bad at something. 00:12:29.160 --> 00:12:30.885 So what do you think that, what do you think that 00:12:30.885 --> 00:12:32.055 Alison: I think I know exactly what it is. 00:12:32.085 --> 00:12:36.722 And I, I think I can take it right back to ADHD, which is when you're 00:12:36.722 --> 00:12:40.499 at the beginning, you can't see the end, and the total like brain 00:12:40.499 --> 00:12:43.036 scramble and mind fuck that that is. 00:12:43.206 --> 00:12:43.896 Matt: Yes. 00:12:44.036 --> 00:12:47.442 Alison: That's why you know, like we've talked about my anxiety around going 00:12:47.442 --> 00:12:51.686 to new places, because I don't know the steps involved, what the inside of 00:12:51.686 --> 00:12:54.566 the room is going to look like, where I'm going to need to be, how I'm gonna 00:12:54.896 --> 00:12:56.636 hook up with whoever I'm there to see. 00:12:57.040 --> 00:13:02.200 And yet it was all it takes is somebody saying, Alison walk in and turn left, 00:13:02.260 --> 00:13:03.850 you'll see a door, walk through it. 00:13:04.180 --> 00:13:05.800 I'm in that room and that's it. 00:13:06.190 --> 00:13:06.910 Anxiety done. 00:13:07.930 --> 00:13:10.840 And I think it's very similar to like pages and screens. 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:15.130 When I look at a blank page or screen, or don't know what I'm doing with 00:13:15.340 --> 00:13:15.880 Matt: Ah, 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:22.246 Alison: I do not have the mental dexterity or whatever it is to 00:13:22.280 --> 00:13:24.200 map out the directions myself. 00:13:24.790 --> 00:13:27.070 And so it's just easier for me to shut down. 00:13:27.187 --> 00:13:30.577 Now there are probably other layers of my personality that have nothing to do 00:13:30.577 --> 00:13:33.393 with ADHD of like the asking for help. 00:13:33.451 --> 00:13:34.801 Could somebody just show me? 00:13:34.812 --> 00:13:39.029 And so one of the things that you and I were talking about specific 00:13:39.029 --> 00:13:42.329 to this is I now feel so far behind. 00:13:42.442 --> 00:13:45.518 And that's another big thing is that like ADHDers tend to just 00:13:45.518 --> 00:13:46.868 shut down at a certain point. 00:13:46.908 --> 00:13:50.671 There was a meme that came out a few months ago and I remember like myself 00:13:50.731 --> 00:13:55.738 and all my other fellow ADHDers were like, does the world not feel this way? 00:13:55.978 --> 00:14:01.168 And it was basically something along the lines of I have a meeting at four o'clock, 00:14:01.168 --> 00:14:05.284 which means that I need to, you know, have this done by two o'clock, which means 00:14:05.284 --> 00:14:08.944 that I have to have pushed all of those things out by noon, which means that I 00:14:08.944 --> 00:14:14.164 need to shower and get dressed now, but it's already 11:30 so the day is done. 00:14:14.164 --> 00:14:15.304 I should just go back to bed. 00:14:15.822 --> 00:14:20.202 You know, And that's how, like, if we don't stick to the schedule 00:14:20.202 --> 00:14:24.615 we laid out for the day, I guess neuro-typicals just get back on the track. 00:14:24.631 --> 00:14:24.960 Right? 00:14:24.988 --> 00:14:28.650 Like eventually it's like, okay, well I missed that hour's worth of whatever. 00:14:29.070 --> 00:14:31.680 But I'm still going to hop back on the train at 11:00 AM and 00:14:31.680 --> 00:14:33.000 we're like, nope, day's over. 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:34.020 Why bother. 00:14:34.167 --> 00:14:39.985 Matt: My coach said that people with ADHD often have an easier time beginning. 00:14:40.029 --> 00:14:44.250 Not all the time, but you may be able to open the app and get started. 00:14:44.250 --> 00:14:47.610 And you may see the big picture and you know what you want to do, you 00:14:47.610 --> 00:14:49.140 know what the end result should be. 00:14:50.160 --> 00:14:53.730 It's all the middle stuff that tears us apart. 00:14:53.910 --> 00:14:59.544 And it does create just buckets of anxiety that is difficult to understand. 00:14:59.603 --> 00:15:00.383 But it is the middle. 00:15:00.383 --> 00:15:01.553 It's the middle every time. 00:15:02.093 --> 00:15:05.363 Because I will always like dive into something and go, okay. 00:15:05.423 --> 00:15:06.473 Yeah, no problem. 00:15:06.503 --> 00:15:08.425 And then I hit that point of I'm stuck. 00:15:08.515 --> 00:15:09.115 I'm stuck. 00:15:09.115 --> 00:15:09.895 It's terrible. 00:15:10.315 --> 00:15:11.305 Alison: I can't get to the next step. 00:15:11.335 --> 00:15:13.195 It's why people get frustrated. 00:15:14.455 --> 00:15:18.175 We tend to have a lot of started, but unfinished projects, because 00:15:18.445 --> 00:15:22.611 something happens in the middle that just takes us off the track. 00:15:22.611 --> 00:15:24.716 And then there's this attitude of why bother? 00:15:24.741 --> 00:15:27.415 That's one of the most frustrating things, you know, I think we've spent 00:15:27.415 --> 00:15:32.095 the past few episodes talking about some of this shiny, funny quirky, parts 00:15:32.095 --> 00:15:35.905 of ADHD, but this is the part right here that can be really debilitating. 00:15:36.869 --> 00:15:40.793 Um, And it means that, you know, as adults, and in life, we just have to 00:15:40.793 --> 00:15:45.983 strategically pick who we align ourselves with professionally, personally. 00:15:46.493 --> 00:15:49.013 In friendships and romances and things like that. 00:15:49.043 --> 00:15:53.172 To make sure that there's balance and we eventually can find the finish lines. 00:15:53.472 --> 00:15:54.042 I think. 00:15:54.972 --> 00:15:56.172 Matt: 1000%. 00:15:56.742 --> 00:15:58.992 And I don't even know whether we've talked about this on the podcast. 00:15:59.491 --> 00:16:03.511 Our business, our team has discovered something that gets me 00:16:03.511 --> 00:16:06.481 personally through the starting part. 00:16:06.878 --> 00:16:08.978 And the middle part. 00:16:09.421 --> 00:16:12.687 And that is, you know, in development, they call it pairing. 00:16:12.897 --> 00:16:14.127 And that's what we're calling it too. 00:16:15.297 --> 00:16:21.024 But, the crux of it is, you just sit with someone else and do the work. 00:16:21.354 --> 00:16:24.114 A lot of times you were working on one thing together, like developers 00:16:24.114 --> 00:16:27.864 will actually work on the same lines of code for complexity. 00:16:29.184 --> 00:16:29.623 And. 00:16:29.623 --> 00:16:30.715 Evan is our designer. 00:16:30.715 --> 00:16:32.035 I'm the developer. 00:16:32.305 --> 00:16:38.245 So he's not helping me on that kind of level, but simply him being 00:16:38.245 --> 00:16:40.805 on the other side of something. 00:16:40.805 --> 00:16:46.087 Like hearing him tapping away at whatever he's working at has 00:16:46.087 --> 00:16:49.110 changed the productivity completely. 00:16:49.560 --> 00:16:50.520 Because. 00:16:51.063 --> 00:16:53.883 If left up to me, a lot of times. 00:16:54.213 --> 00:16:57.913 Unless it's something that I am endlessly excited about. 00:16:58.307 --> 00:16:59.117 I may not start it. 00:17:00.137 --> 00:17:03.047 I may start and quit sooner than I should. 00:17:03.647 --> 00:17:06.527 I may start and work on the wrong thing. 00:17:06.615 --> 00:17:08.415 All kinds of other options, right? 00:17:09.135 --> 00:17:12.625 All kinds of like little side roads that I can take. 00:17:12.625 --> 00:17:15.195 and so this is really great because Evan will occasionally 00:17:15.195 --> 00:17:16.275 say, what are you working on? 00:17:16.905 --> 00:17:20.865 And then I can occasionally say, Hey, I have a question about this, Designer. 00:17:20.975 --> 00:17:24.391 And we tried this the other day in editing this and you were 00:17:24.421 --> 00:17:26.731 like, Wait a minute, you just. 00:17:27.481 --> 00:17:28.091 There's no. 00:17:28.163 --> 00:17:29.303 You don't turn on the camera? 00:17:29.333 --> 00:17:30.203 You just sit there. 00:17:30.953 --> 00:17:31.103 Who? 00:17:31.153 --> 00:17:31.903 Alison: I'll tell you why. 00:17:31.903 --> 00:17:34.213 I was surprised that we weren't turning on cameras in that moment. 00:17:34.513 --> 00:17:37.783 So in the non-development world, and this is, we talked 00:17:37.783 --> 00:17:39.073 about this a few episodes back. 00:17:39.433 --> 00:17:43.097 This is thanks to TikTok, that I know about this, this approach, this 00:17:43.097 --> 00:17:45.227 technique is called body doubling. 00:17:45.287 --> 00:17:46.847 I've also heard it called anchoring. 00:17:47.357 --> 00:17:51.707 Where it is helpful to just be in the presence of someone. 00:17:52.054 --> 00:17:55.414 And so now there are online services for body doubling, where 00:17:55.414 --> 00:17:59.734 if you don't have anybody, college students will use these websites. 00:17:59.974 --> 00:18:04.174 And so you sign up for a time and you're matched with a stranger anywhere 00:18:04.174 --> 00:18:08.344 in the world and you'll log into zoom and you put yourself on mute and you 00:18:08.344 --> 00:18:09.934 do your work and they do their work. 00:18:10.294 --> 00:18:14.404 And I think that's what I thought our pairing was going to be, not so much 00:18:14.404 --> 00:18:18.424 that I wasn't getting, oh, we just do our work individually without talking. 00:18:18.424 --> 00:18:22.234 It was more like, and this goes to the different, like, learning styles. 00:18:22.234 --> 00:18:24.154 I am a visual learner. 00:18:24.484 --> 00:18:26.224 I am not auditory at all. 00:18:26.554 --> 00:18:29.524 People get really frustrated with me when I'm driving somewhere. 00:18:29.644 --> 00:18:33.034 I don't have the sound on my GPS cause hearing it doesn't help me. 00:18:33.484 --> 00:18:36.274 You telling me how to do something, doesn't get me anywhere. 00:18:36.274 --> 00:18:37.324 I need an example. 00:18:37.414 --> 00:18:39.919 I need to do it while you watch me and say no. 00:18:39.937 --> 00:18:40.925 put your mouse there. 00:18:40.942 --> 00:18:44.302 And so I think that's why I was surprised, but like I realized that 00:18:44.602 --> 00:18:48.832 long before I knew that there was a name for this coping mechanism. 00:18:49.132 --> 00:18:51.532 I've literally been doing this all my life. 00:18:51.892 --> 00:18:57.112 When I need to get my house clean, I will have a friend 00:18:57.112 --> 00:18:59.032 come over and sit on the couch. 00:18:59.199 --> 00:19:00.219 You don't have to do anything. 00:19:00.273 --> 00:19:02.343 You can binge watch whatever you want to. 00:19:02.583 --> 00:19:09.589 Your one job is to be a presence in my living room, so I get my stuff done. 00:19:09.603 --> 00:19:11.223 I've done that since college. 00:19:11.287 --> 00:19:14.142 My friends call it, uh, they have to come project manage for me. 00:19:14.223 --> 00:19:19.221 So they are not doing anything along what I'm doing, but even, you know, it's why I 00:19:19.221 --> 00:19:24.953 think study halls are, big in high school and college because it's, a group of 00:19:24.953 --> 00:19:29.843 people not necessarily working together, but doing the same often unsavory tasks 00:19:29.843 --> 00:19:31.673 at the same time, strength in numbers. 00:19:31.696 --> 00:19:32.523 And things like that. 00:19:32.523 --> 00:19:35.283 So, I do I feel more productive. 00:19:36.123 --> 00:19:40.457 And maybe that's, in part, because we all live in different cities and 00:19:40.487 --> 00:19:42.668 work alone, out of our home offices. 00:19:42.668 --> 00:19:47.658 And so sometimes it's just nice to convene with your coworkers and, 00:19:47.728 --> 00:19:48.358 Matt: Yeah. 00:19:48.699 --> 00:19:50.949 But I never liked going to an office. 00:19:51.013 --> 00:19:52.482 I could see how that would work. 00:19:52.573 --> 00:19:57.077 But when I went into an office, with other developers, it was still 00:19:57.077 --> 00:19:59.447 me alone working on my own thing. 00:19:59.491 --> 00:20:02.418 There wasn't enough time or enough bodies or enough people 00:20:02.418 --> 00:20:05.028 to pair with, which is strange. 00:20:05.116 --> 00:20:06.436 But then it was probably just me. 00:20:06.436 --> 00:20:06.960 Alison: are always 00:20:07.305 --> 00:20:11.266 People are always shocked when they learn how much I love living 00:20:11.266 --> 00:20:14.236 alone, and working, from home. 00:20:14.856 --> 00:20:19.119 Are two things that were a part of my life long before the pandemic. 00:20:19.169 --> 00:20:25.559 I think people think by nature because I'm a very talkative person, that I always 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:27.299 have to be stimulated by other people. 00:20:28.199 --> 00:20:29.219 That's just not true. 00:20:29.819 --> 00:20:33.912 But I know how to do it well, and when it works, it works, which is why. 00:20:34.452 --> 00:20:35.502 I agree with you completely. 00:20:35.502 --> 00:20:36.912 I think pairing is. 00:20:37.632 --> 00:20:40.693 A great way to get body doubling, anchoring, anchoring 00:20:41.506 --> 00:20:43.072 name we're going to put on 00:20:43.292 --> 00:20:44.963 Matt: Yeah, it really works out. 00:20:45.023 --> 00:20:46.653 I'll turn on the video for you. 00:20:46.661 --> 00:20:48.574 Whatever, whatever is best for you. 00:20:48.592 --> 00:20:53.921 Alison: Honestly so and paired, and it was only over Slack's 00:20:53.941 --> 00:20:56.011 audio, so no video involved. 00:20:56.477 --> 00:20:57.247 I still liked it. 00:20:57.347 --> 00:20:57.677 Matt: Okay. 00:20:58.837 --> 00:20:59.117 Okay 00:20:59.584 --> 00:21:01.714 Alison: First of all, I think it's an accountability thing. 00:21:01.714 --> 00:21:02.963 I got to get this done. 00:21:03.083 --> 00:21:04.523 Matt's got to get his stuff done. 00:21:04.613 --> 00:21:06.113 We're getting it all done together. 00:21:07.073 --> 00:21:10.031 So there's that kind of unity and, getting through these tasks. 00:21:10.451 --> 00:21:12.687 And it's kind of like what you were saying with you and Evan. 00:21:12.957 --> 00:21:17.835 Even if you're not doing the exact same work or experts in one another's fields. 00:21:18.255 --> 00:21:20.139 Sometimes it's just nice to be like, Hey, can you give me an opinion 00:21:20.139 --> 00:21:21.795 opinion opinion this paragraph? 00:21:21.795 --> 00:21:25.365 I this I just made this graphic I just created. 00:21:25.365 --> 00:21:28.964 It's a lot easier than me having to send Evan a message and him 00:21:28.964 --> 00:21:32.562 type out his, you know, no, no, no, but this there use this this color 00:21:32.607 --> 00:21:32.727 you 00:21:32.787 --> 00:21:33.147 Matt: Right. 00:21:33.627 --> 00:21:35.667 I am with you on that for sure. 00:21:36.627 --> 00:21:38.780 Alison: So it's a meeting without being a meeting 00:21:38.784 --> 00:21:42.310 Matt: And it is, and it's shocking how well it works for yeah. 00:21:42.340 --> 00:21:45.760 Anybody that doesn't know about our, or doesn't know how well it works. 00:21:45.790 --> 00:21:47.470 It's shocking. 00:21:48.040 --> 00:21:49.930 It doesn't make me want to do the job anymore. 00:21:50.080 --> 00:21:56.890 It doesn't, but that's the thing is that oftentimes I can slip into 00:21:56.890 --> 00:22:00.640 hyper-focus if I just have the right impetus to get me there. 00:22:01.570 --> 00:22:06.457 Again, hyper-focused doesn't always have something to do with, I don't have to like 00:22:06.457 --> 00:22:08.791 something to be hyper-focused on it, but. 00:22:08.840 --> 00:22:09.320 Yeah. 00:22:09.550 --> 00:22:11.050 Alison: In fact sometimes. 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.110 I get more hyper-focused on things I don't like. 00:22:15.288 --> 00:22:18.860 Because I'm also stubborn, So then into the flow, you're like, no, 00:22:18.860 --> 00:22:20.090 I just want this out of my life. 00:22:20.360 --> 00:22:21.470 I want this project done. 00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:22.370 I want this delivered. 00:22:22.370 --> 00:22:23.330 I want to bill for it. 00:22:23.358 --> 00:22:24.780 I want to move on from this thing. 00:22:24.780 --> 00:22:28.334 Whereas If I'm, right now I'm building out my first little mini 00:22:28.334 --> 00:22:30.524 campaign to DM for some friends. 00:22:31.064 --> 00:22:33.464 You can distract me from that any time, because I know I'm going to want 00:22:33.464 --> 00:22:35.264 to come going to want to love on it. 00:22:36.474 --> 00:22:39.080 Matt: Right before you were saying that I was thinking that I'd like 00:22:39.110 --> 00:22:42.402 to try pairing with prep as well. 00:22:42.402 --> 00:22:42.835 Alison: What do you mean? 00:22:43.195 --> 00:22:43.705 Matt: Meaning. 00:22:43.719 --> 00:22:45.231 dungeon master prep. 00:22:45.681 --> 00:22:46.461 Which is, 00:22:47.066 --> 00:22:50.464 Alison: I I thinking that before we even got on to record record record like, what? 00:22:50.464 --> 00:22:51.244 I think I need to do. 00:22:51.244 --> 00:22:55.600 I think Matt and I need to pair while I prep for this mini I 00:22:55.600 --> 00:22:56.080 Matt: do too.. 00:22:56.165 --> 00:22:58.655 And the reason that I would like to try it. 00:22:59.735 --> 00:23:03.605 Is because I'm well aware that in the world of Dungeons and Dragons 00:23:03.665 --> 00:23:06.955 and specifically game master prep. 00:23:07.040 --> 00:23:09.500 There's too many things that I like. 00:23:10.190 --> 00:23:13.160 There is the world building idea. 00:23:13.220 --> 00:23:18.200 There is the character development idea. 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.140 There is the technology idea. 00:23:21.890 --> 00:23:24.500 And oftentimes one will supersede the other. 00:23:24.770 --> 00:23:27.980 As far as my focus and time, and then one will suffer. 00:23:27.987 --> 00:23:34.451 So I, even for something I know we just said, I don't usually pair with 00:23:34.511 --> 00:23:38.831 things that I love doing, and that's also true, but I would like to try it. 00:23:38.891 --> 00:23:42.561 I'd like to see what that would be like for all the GM's to prep. 00:23:42.594 --> 00:23:43.914 And how fun would it be? 00:23:45.144 --> 00:23:51.122 To start a freaking body doubling GM group. 00:23:52.712 --> 00:23:53.562 Because. 00:23:53.603 --> 00:23:55.417 You're not supposed to distract the other person. 00:23:55.452 --> 00:23:56.622 and you can it's. 00:23:56.892 --> 00:23:57.942 It's a possibility. 00:23:58.422 --> 00:24:01.732 But if you like set, little time timers. 00:24:01.762 --> 00:24:07.702 So you took breaks and in those breaks, you shared GM tips and tricks and stories. 00:24:08.812 --> 00:24:09.982 Oh, God, that would be fun. 00:24:10.792 --> 00:24:11.632 Alison: Time well-spent. 00:24:11.902 --> 00:24:13.582 Matt: That would be so much fun. 00:24:14.032 --> 00:24:15.022 Alison: I do wonder. 00:24:15.442 --> 00:24:18.892 Like this even between you, me and Evan. 00:24:18.904 --> 00:24:20.676 We've done pairing, we've done body doubling. 00:24:20.706 --> 00:24:21.876 I wonder if tripling. 00:24:23.068 --> 00:24:23.736 Triading. 00:24:23.748 --> 00:24:24.763 Whatever we would call it. 00:24:24.793 --> 00:24:29.013 I wonder what would happen cause I feel like once you get over two people, 00:24:29.043 --> 00:24:35.583 the opportunity for interruptions and distractions probably increases 00:24:35.583 --> 00:24:36.863 exponentially with each addition. 00:24:36.903 --> 00:24:38.013 Matt: I totally agree with you. 00:24:38.133 --> 00:24:41.796 I feel like it could break down if it's a triad. 00:24:42.666 --> 00:24:43.236 A trio. 00:24:45.696 --> 00:24:48.456 All the words that I'm saying today are so weird. 00:24:49.603 --> 00:24:52.263 Alison: I the one that tried to make triad a verb. 00:24:52.816 --> 00:24:53.986 I'll take, you're not on this 00:24:54.061 --> 00:24:55.291 Matt: boom, boom, boom 00:24:55.890 --> 00:24:56.790 Alison: you. 00:24:57.583 --> 00:24:57.936 Matt: Um, 00:24:57.951 --> 00:24:58.761 Alison: Try harder! 00:24:59.061 --> 00:25:00.071 Matt: Try harder. 00:25:00.586 --> 00:25:01.656 Alison: Triad harder. 00:25:01.675 --> 00:25:02.215 Matt: Anyway. 00:25:02.575 --> 00:25:04.975 To try to wrap that idea up. 00:25:05.105 --> 00:25:10.327 I also want to say that I am extremely, I always feel bad saying 00:25:10.327 --> 00:25:12.157 that I'm proud of someone, but. 00:25:12.187 --> 00:25:12.307 You 00:25:12.307 --> 00:25:13.257 Alison: do hate saying that. 00:25:13.278 --> 00:25:16.058 Matt: I do because I don't want it to be construed as condescending. 00:25:16.368 --> 00:25:20.489 And in this case, in this specific situation, both with horror 00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:23.289 movies, horror television shows. 00:25:24.089 --> 00:25:24.889 Alison: hear that thunder?. 00:25:24.919 --> 00:25:25.419 Matt: I did.. 00:25:25.969 --> 00:25:29.699 That I thought you had done that on purpose because I said horror. 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:31.289 That would be cool if you did. 00:25:31.327 --> 00:25:33.041 And then like these other things. 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:34.689 As long as you've got a friend. 00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:37.689 To say, Hey, look, I'm here. 00:25:38.289 --> 00:25:40.119 Not only will you not break anything on your own? 00:25:41.139 --> 00:25:41.829 I've been through this. 00:25:41.829 --> 00:25:42.369 I know that. 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:43.699 Don't be afraid of this. 00:25:43.770 --> 00:25:45.700 You did that for TikTok with me. 00:25:45.770 --> 00:25:46.122 You're like, no. 00:25:46.182 --> 00:25:48.522 I really liked TikTok and it's not that bad. 00:25:48.552 --> 00:25:49.272 And. 00:25:49.479 --> 00:25:53.229 Yes, I still don't use the app, but I see it now. 00:25:53.269 --> 00:25:57.139 My first reaction was, nah, no it's just another ding dang thing. 00:25:57.919 --> 00:26:02.372 But I think if we if you have a friend or groups of friends that say, look. 00:26:03.362 --> 00:26:03.932 I got ya. 00:26:04.062 --> 00:26:05.052 It's really great. 00:26:05.052 --> 00:26:07.092 If you can just get over this little hump. 00:26:07.452 --> 00:26:09.402 If you can get past the blank page. 00:26:09.482 --> 00:26:15.312 Alison: Yeah, no, I think that 99% of our friendship partnership and otherwise is 00:26:15.942 --> 00:26:19.962 us pushing the other ones to do things they would not naturally be inclined. 00:26:20.488 --> 00:26:21.958 And therefore naturally wouldn't do. 00:26:22.025 --> 00:26:25.065 And I appreciate that about you, that you do not accept no from 00:26:25.065 --> 00:26:27.445 any of us and say, Try harder. 00:26:28.255 --> 00:26:28.615 Matt: Yeah. 00:26:29.095 --> 00:26:30.175 I'm glad that you appreciate. 00:26:32.125 --> 00:26:33.232 And don't curse my name. 00:26:33.232 --> 00:26:34.348 You might cause my name first. 00:26:34.348 --> 00:26:34.828 And Then. 00:26:35.758 --> 00:26:36.328 Then. 00:26:36.398 --> 00:26:39.841 Alison: Well, here's the thing is that you usually can see to the 00:26:39.841 --> 00:26:42.241 other side, like you don't push me into things that are like, 00:26:42.477 --> 00:26:43.107 Matt: Dangerous. 00:26:43.600 --> 00:26:46.164 Alison: Organically, an antithesis to everything I stand for, you're not. 00:26:46.228 --> 00:26:46.478 Matt: Right. 00:26:46.497 --> 00:26:48.537 Alison: And you've never once forced fed me an olive. 00:26:48.615 --> 00:26:50.302 We'll use tha t bad example. 00:26:50.362 --> 00:26:51.992 Matt: Though, here's a weird thing, Alison.. 00:26:52.166 --> 00:26:55.166 in the back of my mind, I know that someday I'm going 00:26:55.166 --> 00:26:56.336 to get you to like an olive. 00:26:56.816 --> 00:26:57.716 The back of my mind. 00:26:57.716 --> 00:26:58.766 I'm I want it 00:26:58.766 --> 00:26:59.146 Alison: No way.. 00:26:59.776 --> 00:27:01.836 It's not going to happen Matt, it's not going to 00:27:01.836 --> 00:27:02.076 Matt: happen. 00:27:02.076 --> 00:27:04.586 I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to find a way. 00:27:05.336 --> 00:27:07.346 Alison: It's just go ahead and hang that one up. 00:27:07.376 --> 00:27:12.476 I am, and I think I lean optimistic more than pessimistic. 00:27:12.476 --> 00:27:15.607 I tend to skew more like realist than anything. 00:27:15.854 --> 00:27:19.543 And so I rarely say no, and I rarely say never, but that is one thing I'm 00:27:19.543 --> 00:27:24.893 willing to go down swinging on a never but everything else I'll be open to. 00:27:24.893 --> 00:27:27.893 And, and, and so many things that I do love. 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:32.377 You either introduced me to, like, I was never vehemently 00:27:32.377 --> 00:27:33.907 opposed to Dungeons and Dragons. 00:27:33.907 --> 00:27:37.297 I just had never been really exposed to it or had the opportunity to play it. 00:27:37.417 --> 00:27:37.867 Matt: Yes. 00:27:38.647 --> 00:27:41.363 Alison: So that's more introduction than push, but other things have been just 00:27:41.363 --> 00:27:43.093 a straight get in there ya chicken. 00:27:43.433 --> 00:27:43.733 Matt: Okay. 00:27:43.743 --> 00:27:47.141 I feel like this could be a cap on this topic and the podcast. 00:27:47.191 --> 00:27:53.370 You've said, why you got into this, I know you said that a friend was the thing 00:27:53.370 --> 00:27:56.730 that he had a group going, he was going to start it and we had been talking about it. 00:27:56.910 --> 00:27:59.280 But why do you, what do you think made you turn? 00:27:59.310 --> 00:28:01.162 Like you could have easily told Jeff. 00:28:01.215 --> 00:28:01.635 No, no, no. 00:28:02.595 --> 00:28:04.985 I'm not interested or you could have said, my friends Matt 00:28:04.985 --> 00:28:06.635 and Evan are going to play it. 00:28:06.635 --> 00:28:07.523 So I don't really have the time. 00:28:07.573 --> 00:28:10.029 What was it that twisted your arm to that? 00:28:10.219 --> 00:28:10.849 At that point. 00:28:10.849 --> 00:28:15.534 Do you remember like what makes Alison's ADHD kind of kick in and say, okay. 00:28:15.616 --> 00:28:15.706 no. 00:28:16.216 --> 00:28:16.966 I'm going to give it a try. 00:28:18.051 --> 00:28:19.941 Alison: I think that, and we've talked about this before. 00:28:19.956 --> 00:28:22.656 With things like Stranger Things and otherwise it got a little 00:28:22.656 --> 00:28:24.126 more mainstream in recent years. 00:28:24.126 --> 00:28:25.746 So I was just more aware of it. 00:28:26.286 --> 00:28:31.116 So there was always this curiosity and I just never had a platform for it. 00:28:31.236 --> 00:28:35.226 I never had anybody interested in doing it with me, and 00:28:35.226 --> 00:28:36.666 Jeff was willing to teach me. 00:28:36.666 --> 00:28:38.706 I was going I'm I don't know anything about it. 00:28:38.706 --> 00:28:40.617 And he's like, I will sit down with you and put. 00:28:40.647 --> 00:28:43.795 a character sheet together, and then we will have our first encounter 00:28:43.795 --> 00:28:47.598 and then we will play a game and you'll see, if you like it or not. 00:28:47.909 --> 00:28:52.806 Matt: So for you, it really has a lot to do with the instigator. 00:28:53.416 --> 00:28:54.926 That's cool. 00:28:55.193 --> 00:28:59.513 Alison: And I knew in the first I did not want to stop playing our first session. 00:28:59.813 --> 00:29:01.712 Our first session we played for like six hours. 00:29:01.712 --> 00:29:02.862 It was ridiculous. 00:29:02.862 --> 00:29:03.527 Matt: I know, I know. 00:29:03.537 --> 00:29:05.853 Alison: And I remember that not wanting to end. 00:29:05.853 --> 00:29:08.763 And then I couldn't wait until the next Saturday and the next, and 00:29:08.763 --> 00:29:11.133 that has, there is yet to be a time. 00:29:12.033 --> 00:29:16.773 Everything else, man, I've burned out on even things that I once was on fire for. 00:29:17.313 --> 00:29:18.003 Matt: That's cool. 00:29:18.520 --> 00:29:20.500 Alison: What made you say yes. 00:29:20.558 --> 00:29:22.194 Matt: When, like when I was little? 00:29:22.314 --> 00:29:22.434 Alison: What. 00:29:22.974 --> 00:29:26.726 No, like with the, I know that you had talked about wanting to be, get back into 00:29:26.726 --> 00:29:30.536 it and you guys just hadn't had a way, but it was not a hard sell for you or Evan. 00:29:30.536 --> 00:29:31.256 When I was like, 00:29:31.676 --> 00:29:33.836 My friend, Jeff has thinking about Dungeons and Dra- and you 00:29:33.836 --> 00:29:35.006 both were like, yes, absolutely. 00:29:35.006 --> 00:29:35.366 When. 00:29:35.876 --> 00:29:36.746 What do we need to know? 00:29:36.896 --> 00:29:37.518 Matt: I think. 00:29:37.518 --> 00:29:40.573 what I don't remember is why we started talking about it so much, but we 00:29:40.573 --> 00:29:44.293 definitely started talking about it before the pandemic, but I don't know 00:29:44.293 --> 00:29:48.993 why Evan and I started talking about it, but I feel like there were episodes 00:29:48.993 --> 00:29:51.854 of the BivBros Show and other things. 00:29:52.214 --> 00:29:54.644 We were talking about it all, we gotta do this. 00:29:54.644 --> 00:29:55.664 We gotta do this. 00:29:55.964 --> 00:30:00.434 Alison: At one point on BivBros Show did want to go through like a, let's do things 00:30:00.434 --> 00:30:02.354 as adults that we loved to do as kids. 00:30:02.354 --> 00:30:05.264 You want it to like rewatch movies and TV shows. 00:30:05.264 --> 00:30:07.124 You want it to like replay games. 00:30:07.634 --> 00:30:10.364 So it may have been that. 00:30:10.784 --> 00:30:13.664 I don't remember how exactly it all came together, but I think you're right. 00:30:13.664 --> 00:30:14.834 You guys had been talking about it. 00:30:15.074 --> 00:30:19.064 Jeff had been talking about it and then we were all locked in indoors for what 00:30:19.064 --> 00:30:20.414 we thought was going to be six weeks. 00:30:21.284 --> 00:30:23.486 Matt: We just started thinking about it all the time and I don't. 00:30:24.236 --> 00:30:25.466 I wish I knew why I don't. 00:30:26.216 --> 00:30:29.696 I certainly have people that I respect and love that do things. 00:30:29.846 --> 00:30:31.406 And then I'm like, Ooh, I want to try that. 00:30:31.856 --> 00:30:32.906 But as we discussed, 00:30:33.004 --> 00:30:38.134 I also have this thing where I want to try things that no one has ever tried. 00:30:38.494 --> 00:30:40.880 To be the first one there, but, I think. 00:30:40.966 --> 00:30:43.536 Yeah, but it was when Jeff said, yeah, it's just, we had 00:30:43.536 --> 00:30:44.706 been talking about it so much. 00:30:45.756 --> 00:30:46.866 I was like, okay, dang. 00:30:46.910 --> 00:30:50.230 I think that with D&D I was like, yo, I really want to do this, but. 00:30:50.980 --> 00:30:52.510 I know it's a lot of work to get started. 00:30:53.020 --> 00:30:55.456 So we had this, in and we said, yes. 00:30:55.886 --> 00:30:57.236 Alison: And we're just getting started. 00:30:57.296 --> 00:30:58.196 Matt: And scene. 00:30:58.316 --> 00:30:58.586 Yes. 00:31:00.918 --> 00:31:03.219 Um, Well, how do you feel about this podcast? 00:31:03.496 --> 00:31:04.296 Alison: Done and done. 00:31:04.346 --> 00:31:05.186 Checkmark. 00:31:05.756 --> 00:31:06.669 How do you feel? 00:31:07.029 --> 00:31:08.889 Matt: It's like therapy, free therapy. 00:31:09.399 --> 00:31:10.089 Alison: It's like free. 00:31:10.269 --> 00:31:11.919 I know that's exactly what it's like. 00:31:13.436 --> 00:31:14.919 Matt: Thanks for podcasting with me. 00:31:14.919 --> 00:31:16.443 Alison: Thanks for podcasting with me. 00:31:16.443 --> 00:31:19.293 I will see you tomorrow to and Dragons. 00:31:19.293 --> 00:31:19.983 Matt: I'm excited. 00:31:20.123 --> 00:31:22.903 Wackow wackow wackow wackow 00:31:24.993 --> 00:31:25.653 and that's the end. 00:31:26.733 --> 00:31:27.273 Alison: Amazing.