we look back at this time, I think we will realize that we were standing
in the foothills of the singularity.
Welcome to Primary Technology,
the show about the tech news that matters.
WWDC media invites went out. Plus they announced some iOS
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We're going to get into that. Plus Google IOs this week with a keynote.
All the AI things. Google has a ton of products.
We're going to break it all down in the show.
Plex pricing changes, Gen Z still hates AI and is booing it at commencements,
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I'm one of your hosts, Stephen Roble,
as in joined, as always by Jason Aten.
How's it going, Jason?
It's pretty good. It's pretty good,
Stephen.
Pretty good, pretty good. How's your app doing?
How's your app in the thing? That's fun.
It's doing really well, Steven.
In fact,
before we get started, I would like to give a shout out to you.
Yeah.
You left me one of my first reviews.
Thank you very much. Reading reviews about your app that you have made
Yes, you're welcome.
is a very surreal thing. Thankfully,
it's like a 4.8 star app right now.
So it's technically doing about as good as our podcast,
That's good, that's good.
which is great. A lot fewer reviews,
but it's interesting how people use reviews to give you feedback suggestions.
Yeah, yeah.
Well,
there's that and we talked in the pre-show which if you want to listen
to the pre-show and get an ad-free version You have to link down in
the show notes you can listen to it all but Someone left a review on
my movies on the side podcast saying it's a fake show Because we only have
Yeah.
50 reviews after eight years and I'm like,
that's not my fault anyway
Right.
But I just think it was interesting.
there are also people who will leave you a review that are like,
this seems like an interesting app.
I would use it if blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah. And it's like, that's not a review.
Right. Okay. Thanks for your service,
You just said you didn't actually use it.
I guess. I know,
What are you doing? So anyway,
that's the thing. But I'm awesome.
it's been great. It's been super surprising.
Lots of people have downloaded it and I really appreciate it.
That's very cool, very cool. All right,
we got a ton of stuff. Google I.O.
is gonna be a translation interpretation,
a huge segment here, because we got to try and talk about all
the things they announced. One,
the movie quote, today's quote was actually not a movie quote.
You know what I quoted.
Yeah, I mean, that was Demisysabas at the very end talking about something
singularity. I was like thinking it definitely sounds like something
the mad scientist says at the end of like a movie,
right? Like Dr. Frankenstein. By the way,
Yeah.
when you think of Frankenstein,
Yeah, yes.
do you think of the doctor or do you think of the creature?
But that's not Frankenstein is the name of the doctor.
You think of the creature, that's not Frankenstein.
That's correct, that is correct.
It's crazy. It's just this weird thing.
Anyway, go on.
Anyway, we're gonna get into that,
but yes, that was a full on quote from Google I.O.,
which just blew my mind. They also had a couple other quotes we're gonna
be talking about. Bold claims,
we'll say bold claims from Google.
Last week I forgot to ask about the movie quote.
I said, they made us too smart,
too quick, and too many. It is a movie I've quoted before.
And I did not know it, but I do know it now because I had actually looked
it up after the fact when you didn't ask me.
So it's from AI, which I don't think is a movie.
It is
I don't think I saw that movie.
It's Haley Joe Osment, Jude Law,
yeah, AI, literally. Not the future,
think. Well, maybe we're headed towards that future,
who knows? But anyway, I have some exciting news about pins.
Got to talk about. We have a couple five-star review shout-outs.
Oh, Shaughnessy from the USA, iPhone,
non-dominant left-hand front pocket so he can write with his right.
Thank you.
Your method. This is a great show,
thank you for that. Gunt Cramps from the USA.
His review said, I've seen a bus once.
I don't know what that means, but.
He left us five star, so thanks for that.
You
And ~ Jerem is Miz from Mexico,
and he did correct me. Listen,
I have my other show now, Top 5 Tech,
which I do every Friday, and I highlighted a video from Cleo Abram.
And for some reason, my brain kept saying Chloe.
And I literally had to do like five takes when I recorded that five minute show last
week because I kept saying Chloe.
I'm sorry, it's not Chloe, it is Cleo Abram.
Yeah, it's also not GIF, it's GIF,
but move on.
I- okay. They are right there.
So, ~ friend of the show, Glenn texted me and he said,
what does GIF stand for? Do you know?
Uh-huh. And how do you say the G in graphics?
Yeah, it's the graphics image format.
I
know where you're going, but the canonical evidence here is that
huh. Huh?
the person who created the format says it's JIF.
Yeah, no, listen, once when you create something and send it out to the world
How do you say the word? How do
you say the animal with a really tall neck?
Yeah, so like yeah, there you go.
We did this, I literally said that last week.
Yeah, giraffe. How do you say
the word of the present that you give someone at Christmas?
What is that? Thank you.
a jift.
Ha ha.
All right, thank you. Okay, a couple of app shout outs.
We have some wonderful listeners of the show that have some apps and we like
to them out here at the top of the show.
So real quick, this first one is a mood tracker.
This is from Marvin, sent me an email.
It's called Inner Pulse, one-time purchase.
My wife actually uses apps like this to kind of like track different moods
and stuff and there's lots of apps for this,
but it looks great.
Really nicely designed, nice little graphs and stuff.
So check out Mood Tracker. We'll link that down in the show notes.
And then Heshan sent me this. Symphony for Apple Music.
This is like a companion. So if you have Apple Music,
you can connect it to this app.
You can browse your library in different ways.
You can like get Cover Flow back,
if you remember Cover Flow back in like iPod Touch era.
The Last FM integration. So that's a pretty cool app.
Check that out. And also Smart Budget,
which is a...
Wallet app that also has some shortcuts actions that I'm gonna
be playing around with pretty soon and so yeah if it was looking for
a budgeting app smart budget apps in the links in the show notes those are
fun and I Yesterday continued my boondoggle of sending pins around the world Jason
I still have a whole bet look at all these pins I got here look these pins.
I got all these pins and this medieval knight riding the polar bear and
so I asked last week I'm trying we have a new quest get the medieval knight riding
the polar bear to every continent well
I'm pleased to announce we have five out of seven continents fully secured
We have people this is not one of the seven,
but we have Australia Hansa and I sent to Australia Ian from Australia.
There was our going we have Central America Jorge from Panama We have seven.
Yes, you do need to say like that.
Jason asked me what was you do And I'm sending some to China We have
a listener visiting Japan next month and so send them a pin and they're gonna
be taking pictures of it around Japan and we had two
listeners in South Africa that emailed me the day the episode dropped last week.
Echeppo from South Africa and Andre from South Africa.
yeah, pins are heading that way too.
And so we now just have two more continents to go.
South America and of course Antarctica.
And so if you're in South America and you listen to the show,
email me. It's right in the show notes.
And let me know where you are.
I'll get one to you. And then if you have like a grandma going to Antarctica
on a cruise or something.
Or if you know of someone, you know,
doing the Drake passage and is gonna be heading down there or you have,
you know, a scientist, family or friend that works down there something.
I want it. I want the polar bear.
I mean in Antarctica, it would be perfect.
Although there's no polar bears there because there's nothing lives there.
You
But you know what I mean? Like in Antarctica,
I think I feel like that'd be perfect.
So I'm excited. Let's do it. We have listeners all over the world,
Jason.
my children, my sons and I had a really interesting conversation.
It wasn't that interesting. But yesterday about Antarctica,
because they were wanting to know,
like, is it a country? I said,
well, it's a continent. And they're like,
Hmm.
well, but is it also a country?
said, well, they don't have a government.
And they said, well, like, who's in charge?
I'm like, that's a really good question.
And I don't know who it is. But I don't think anyone lives there.
It is.
So it doesn't actually matter.
We all just agree not to fight over it.
Well, and I'm- I'm- Right,
Right. The scientists are there.
right.
We've all agreed we're going leave the penguins alone,
because honestly, my boys think the penguins would win.
if you tried to take over because they are used to the cold and we are not.
I thought you were gonna say because they've seen the the penguins movie with
No, no, they just think the penguins
the Madagascar penguins
are much more well equipped to survive whatever might happen.
Yeah,
that is true. Listen, I'm always fascinated by Antarctica.
The Chloe Abram video I linked in Top5Tech last week.
Cleo.
See, I did it again. Oh my, sorry.
Cleo Abram. Her video is amazing because they've actually studied
the lakes under the ice in Antarctica.
And I don't want to spoil it, but her video is incredible.
It's basically like national geographic level documentary.
And so you should check that out.
But I've also listened to the Omnivus podcast where they talk about
the like huge machine.
Bulldozer type treaded vehicle that they tried to bring to Antarctica like
Yeah.
in the 60s or whatever and It was a whole boondoggle as well.
I'm always fascinated by it So let us know if you or someone you know
is going to Antarctica I will send you like 10 pins just to like well don't leave
it there you cuz That's that's it.
hand them out to the penguins.
Don't don't make sure they don't stab themselves,
but you hand them out to the penguins We'd love to do that.
All right media invites for dub dub has gone out
And know, we already knew the dates of dub dub,
but this is when Apple actually makes official the keynote is going to be on Monday,
June 8th with the platform say to the union after that and media invites went
out I'm happy to report that I got an invite and also sad to report Jason
did not I'm sorry, Jason
Yeah,
somebody asked if I was gonna go as a journalist or an app developer and
I'm at this point just not gonna go.
Well, because the app developer you had to have applied a long time ago.
Yeah You did the app developer
So.
and that's a lottery you're not guaranteed even if you're a developer I know lots
of people so Unfortunately, it will just be one of us again At dub dub.
I'm still holding on how I'll cross my fingers next year one day We need
Hmm.
to record in person in the in their podcast sweep
I did, I did email them and I was like,
do you know who I am? And they're like,
they're like, they're like, no,
Do you not? Google me!
they're like, no, I don't have a clue who you are.
Leave us alone.
Google me
so I will be there in person I dig in an invite and I'll be recording from
the podcast studio and Jason will be roaming again So I'll be you reporting
all week the tagline for dub dub is coming bright up and Everyone is trying
to read the tea leaves that this little animation in the Swift logo
is maybe that's the new Siri Animation,
we'll see we're all gonna know in like two weeks and it'll all be I just
I also think it's interesting ~
We talk about this a little bit in the next Mac power users,
but Apple just, you know, they're just using AI and you know,
for a long time, Apple tried really,
really hard to make machine learning the term that everything
was machine learning and all this stuff that Siri did was machine learning.
And then they were like, screw it.
We're just, everything's AI. Cause that's what everybody calls it.
Well, but for
them, AI means Apple Intelligence.
Well, yeah, but like they just use the acronym,
the two letters AI now. And I think they just let people interpret it how they want.
You know what I mean?
Sure,
but I bet you that if you ask them,
it means Apple Intelligence.
You know what I'm gonna ask them when I'm there,
Jason. I'm gonna say, hey, what does AI mean in this newsroom article?
What does it stand for? I'm just curious.
They're gonna be like, what are you talking about?
Now, iOS 27, actually, there's some official features for accessibility that have
come out or announced, and we want to get into that because there
are some clues there, I think,
to what we'll see at Dub-Dub, but we have to talk about Google I.O.
Google I.O. is the huge event.
As we record, it happened yesterday,
and Google announced 1,000 things.
1,000 things.
Many of them do things like the other things and and there's just a
lot of things and so the quote from the top of the episode is literally from
the keynote. It closed the keynote and they said when we look back at this time,
I think we will realize that we were standing in the foothills of the singularity.
That statement is wild.
I don't know like.
The singularity in astrophysics terms is like what's in middle of a black hole
and maybe the beginning of the universe.
I don't know. But Google is using it to refer to AGI,
believe, artificial general intelligence.
And they said that. They said that too.
Yeah, ish. Yeah,
AGI. Anyway.
they keep, they're
the only ones that are still saying it.
which I thought was interesting.
~ What's the presenter's name at the end?
How do we his name? Yes, he was the one that said like,
Demisysabas.
AGI is coming. And so I think it's interesting that OpenAI and Microsoft,
they've now let that go by the wayside and they're not really talking about
AGI and it's not even part of their agreement anymore.
And Google's over here like, nah,
it's here, bro. We're at the foothills of the singularity.
You
It does sound like, if you say that more with kind of like a maybe I'm high-esque,
like a dumb and dumber.
We're at the foothills of the singularity,
bro. I think that fits better.
They should have done it like that.
mean, Foothills
of the Singularity is definitely a Pink Floyd album,
right?
That's pretty good. That is good album name or maybe it's a band name.
There was that quote and there was also this quote,
our mission, this is quoting from the Google keynote,
Dennis Isavas, is to reimagine the drug discovery process with the goal
of one day solving all disease.
Google literally saying they're going to solve all disease with AGI.
We're back to big promises, Jason.
This is like big.
I said this to you beforehand and the thing is looking at this entire list
of all of the things that got announced most of which
are slightly different versions of the same things that got announced
and also last year same things right like they just keep and Google
Yes.
is notorious for renaming things that they've already announced.
And so then you don't realize that,
wait, is this a new thing? Or is this just a new name for this other thing?
Yeah.
Or is it the other thing? And it's a slightly new version of it.
So they decided to change the name.
Remember when Gemini used to be called Bard?
Like it's all very confusing. But looking through this entire list,
~ yeah.
it is like, the thought that kept occurring to me is,
well, if anyone could pull off all of this stuff,
it's definitely Google.
For one, they have all of the technology.
They have Demis Thesabas, who is like the godfather of AI,
right? When you, if we're gonna,
I think we're gonna talk about it later,
but when you look through the conversations that were happening that were revealed
during the Musk versus Altman trial,
you realize that almost all of the early conversations were about people terrified
Mm.
of Demis Thesabas because he was like,
he was the guy. Everyone knew.
and they just figured he was going to rule it all.
And now he got on stage today and said,
I'm ruling it all. This is my kingdom.
You are all just my pawns. But Google is like the company you're like,
Ha ha ha.
definitely could pull this off.
And also Google is a company that you're like,
they might forget about all of this tomorrow.
There is literally a website called Killed by Google with a graveyard
of all the things Google is saying.
And a lot of the stuff Google announced,
they're like coming this summer.
And so it's like, okay, what? Okay,
we'll see. So let's get into it.
You
mean, to be honest, we're having a little fun here because it just feels like Google
is a little high on their own supply.
Maybe you could say it does feel like there's a bit of anyway,
yeah, that. But they've done some interesting things.
And because Google, like you're saying,
has all the things like Google Docs to search to everything.
They can do some fun stuff. like Google Docs Live is a feature that Sudharm Pichai
showed up. And he's basically like,
listen, you can talk at your phone and because Google has your email and
it has all your search and everything and personal intelligence.
They say, had this example where someone was like,
hey, I'm giving a talk at my high school or whatever.
So pull my resume from Google Docs,
pull the email from the school from Gmail.
And I want to talk about this and that and this.
Remind me to tell the story about how I got into that and bold that
and it'll just like create this Google Doc with the whole outline and
the tables and cool like I mean that that is nice and that's something where Maybe
Claude Cowart could do that today Like if you gave it access to a document
or a folder on your Mac and it had context for whatever but I think
the promise that Google is has espousing is like well if you just like Google
already knows it all
So you can just add, you can just talk to Google Docs and it'll make this
doc for you. The quality of the doc and the content always remains to be seen.
That's kind of like the litmus test is like,
would I use this out of the box?
How much editing does it take?
But it's cool that it does it.
It's also interesting that we're now at a phase where Google has stopped trying
to pretend like your data is yours and it's sacred and secret.
And they're literally just saying what we all knew was true,
which is, listen, we already know everything about you.
We have access to all of your information,
all of your data and all of your files.
So why don't you just let us do something useful with it?
Yeah, and I mean if it is useful and you would use it all the time
if you're having to make Presentations or docs about stuff constantly like yeah,
sure They also announced Google Omni and that they have like
13 different like generative tools like there's Google flow There's Google pics
we're gonna get into Google Omni and it did feel like we're gonna talk
a little bit about the Gen Z hate AI because we had a great email from
a listener who's Gen Z who graduated a couple years ago,
but it did feel like
Such a juxtaposition between how people are booing AI,
an ex-Google CEO at a commencement talking about AI,
and Google in this keynote was like,
you can generate anything from anything.
Like that's literally what they said.
Like you can generate anything.
You can give Google Omni a photo,
a video, a prompt, and it can make whatever you want.
It can make videos, images, audio,
music. And so they're just full on being like,
generate everything.
and even putting these tools into things like YouTube so creators can make shorts,
just have AI do it. And it's like,
~ okay, I guess.
I mean, the idea would be you could take a video of this keynote or
of a person just standing up and giving a talk.
could video yourself giving a speech and then you could feed it into Omni
and be like, make me the keynote to go with this.
Like really.
Right and it
yeah, and they showed like lots of manipulation type things of like they're
a guy walking along a wall and then they made it look like a sci-fi thing
and then made it look like change the scene and like I guess they're going after
Filmmakers or maybe like independent video type businesses who don't have
the budget to do that With visual effects and like the expensive way
and so maybe you just have AI do it if it's good enough,
okay I guess I don't know Yeah
I don't know either. But I don't know
if they know either. I don't know that they know who they're going after.
Right.
think it's like technology cool.
Is it David Pierce who's like,
this a thing? Just put it all out there.
Is this a thing?
But I do, I also think there are a lot of people generating stuff with it.
I mean, I see so much stuff on social media now where it's like,
is this, this is AI. This is, this is AI.
You know, it's just like real after real.
things that I even have to, like I get my in-laws and other people like send
me stuff and they ask me like,
is this real? Is this real? I'm like,
no, it's not real. Which to that point,
there was a large portion of the Google IOK where they talked about C2PA tagging.
And they basically said everything generated with AI from Google's tools will
be tagged. And so there's going to be C2PA.
And you can even see the data that it was captured with X.
So if you took a video from your Google Pixel phone,
it'll say this video was taken on Google Pixel and then edited with Google Omni,
or it was manipulated with this.
And so they're also rolling that out to Google Search and Chrome at large.
And they even got partners, OpenAI have agreed to play nice,
Cacao and 11 Labs to say this was generated,
like they're all gonna tag and label their stuff,
which I think is good, like that's a positive move.
More of these players are going to make it clear when their stuff is tagged.
And you'll be able to, I thought this was cool,
ask Chrome, is this AI? So if you see a post,
you're browsing the web in Chrome,
or you come across an image or video,
you can literally right click and just say,
is this AI?
And it will tell you this was generated either by Google or by OpenAI.
And whether that metadata carries through the pipeline,
know, if someone generates something with Google Omni,
brings it into Premiere, exports it from a media encoder,
and then, I don't know if you can strip that data,
I don't know the technical side well enough,
hopefully it stays through that whole process.
But I do think that was a positive move to do that.
I mean,
all you literally have to do is screen record a video,
like make a video a video or screenshot a photo.
Hmm. That's...
Like this is nothing. This is literally nothing.
That's a good point. That's good point.
Also, the only place where this matters.
I shouldn't say it's literally nothing.
It is slightly more than nothing,
but it is not a meaningful thing at this point.
Okay, thank you.
This is it. This is mostly the AI companies trying to.
What is it? What is the phrase like greenwashing?
Right. This is essentially greenwashing AI where it's like
~ Yes, we pollute things, but also we buy credits for carbon,
whatever. like, so what this is essentially doing is we've created
~
a standard so that we'll be able to identify fake content so that
the tools we're making so that everyone can make fake content are fine.
Hmm.
Or you could maybe just not make those tools that are going to cause
a huge problem down the road. Because here's the scenario.
The only scenario where this matters is is meta onboard.
Because what needs to happen is every time you upload a video,
That's true.
that is tagged in this way, a giant red key line needs to appear around
the video and a watermark needs to say,
not real, not real, because you just described the conversations
you have with people wanting to know,
is this real? And they're not going to right click in Chrome to find
out who was taken out of Pixel and whatever.
That's the only scenario where this matters is will Meta adopt this
and will Meta make it very clear?
And I promise you they won't because the single most useful thing to Meta right now
Yeah, they won't.
is millions and millions of people generating endless amounts of fake content
to put on there that'll keep people engaged.
That is true. I was happy to read from our listeners that they also think instance
is stupid. The meta feature. It's so dumb.
Absolutely moronic.
I guess that is a point.
Like whether the AI disclosure is proactive versus upon request,
I think does make a big difference because if someone is scrolling reels,
they're not going to like tap and hold and say,
is this AI? And then wait for it to think about it and then look at it like.
That's not going to happen. if,
and TikTok I think is the only platform that allows,
has this, there is like a slider in the TikTok settings for like how much
AI content you want. And you can literally turn that slider down.
It doesn't reveal what's AI. It's just saying you can have less of it.
You can't have none. You can't move that slider all the way to zero,
but you can, you know, choose the amount of AI.
If this tagging can then lead into that,
but it is a setting you have to manage anyway.
~ We'll see. We're still a long way away from whether tagging and all of this
has a meaningful effect. I did look up greenwashing,
by the way. Quoting from Google AI Overview,
greenwashing is the deceptive marketing practice of presenting a company product
or service as more environmentally friendly or sustainable than it truly is.
Greenwashing. That's it.
Yeah, which is that's the I think that fits pretty well.
Right.
This is AI slap washing. Basically,
it's like, yeah.
there it is. Yeah, stop watching.
Yeah,
okay, so they also announced Google Gemini 3.5 flash,
which is better than everything It's better than the current
pro versions that's available I think in the Gemini app and web and it'll
be rolling out More to more people soon even on the free tier.
So that's that's ~ Anti-gravity 2.0,
which is so many names, but Google anti-gravity is like the developer platform.
And so they're gonna have nicer desktop app
Agent first that was one thing I got from this keynote is like agent just that like
everything agent It's all agents like Google said there's gonna be agents
and search there's agents and anti-gravity Gemini spark is literally
a personal AI agent which we're gonna get to but like everything's an agent
and so anti-gravity also agent first I Well,
I guess what that means is I don't know that means but I guess means like
you just talk to the agent and then they he does things They they do things.
Well, there you
Excuse me
go. Yeah. And I guess to try to just parse this out for people,
right? Gemini, we all know what the models are.
Gemini, the Gemini 3.5 Flash is supposed to be faster than Gemini
3.1 Pro or whatever. And it's way more efficient.
right. Yeah.
They made the comment about like saving you billions of dollars.
I'm like, you're not going to save me billions of dollars because
I don't have billions of dollars to save.
I don't have billions of dollars to save,
Exactly,
right?
But okay,
exactly.
cool, that's great. You're trying to explain this.
Anti-gravity is sort of the equivalent of like codex or quad code-ish sort of,
right? But where it's focused on spinning up agents that will then do this stuff
for you and then Spark, which you're gonna get to is kind of like cowork-ish type
Yeah, yeah.
thing. And so it's hard because an anti-gravity is actually not new.
They announced this last year.
They've made it clear that this is version 2.0,
so it's more agent-y.
This is literally,
they built the Gemini Mac app using anti-gravity internally.
So like, there's that.
Yes. And
the idea is it's like a standalone desktop application built around orchestrating
agents. And the thing about agents is,
you know, I was, I obviously have an app in the app store.
You know, yeah.
You can download it. It's called Contextly.
I'd love it if you do that. But anyway,
I, I wanted to make a change to something.
Link below.
And so I typed it into cloud code and it's like,
Great, here's what I'm gonna do.
Agent one is gonna do this, agent two is gonna do,
I'm like, who are these agents?
Are you sending in ninjas to like fix part of my code?
That's right, yes.
So most of the time we don't even think about that.
Now you could also create agents like people are doing,
like OpenClaw or whatever. You can set these things up to be running all the time.
for most, so agent orchestration is,
don't think a consumer feature is what I'm trying to say.
No, no, no it is yeah, and that's actually what a like perplexed computer talks
about doing is like we're gonna orchestrate all the models and agents whatever
so that's if you're a developer I think Gemini spark is one of
the more interesting things which It's always on it.
It's hard to parse like during the keynote like where does this live?
Like does this live in the Gemini app is this like a different app is this
on the web and so unclear but Gemini spark is Kind of like the Claude co-work like
you were saying of Google
So it is a quote unquote personal AI agent,
takes actions on your behalf, but the big difference is it runs
on virtual machines 24 seven. And so it's not dependent on your computer being
on and active to run your task.
Even like Sundar Parchai said from the stage,
like you can close your laptop,
which I've been seeing memes all over of like.
That was
a direct like he speaking to the people who are standing on the sidelines
of the kids soccer games with their laptops open because their agents are running
Yes.
Exactly. I've even seen like accessories now where you put it in the USB port
or the HDMI port of your laptop to like you so you can close the lid
but the laptop stays on and it's because people want their agents like doing stuff
and so
There's nothing your agents are doing that is important enough that
you can't just close your laptop every once in a while.
Like seriously, what are they doing?
Yeah. They're my coding. Coding,
Are they like, are they, you so what it'll just pick up when you open the thing.
I guess.
I know, but it is nice to say,
like, I don't even have to think about that.
It all happens in the cloud. But of course,
whatever the agent is working on also has to be in the cloud.
And I think that is a fundamental shift of like,
you know, Claude, co-work on my Mac.
My Mac has to be on because it's working on things on my Mac locally.
And like Claude, you know, it's communicating to the Claude servers cloud,
but like it's doing stuff with the files on my computer or whatever,
using some MCP server.
But Google is very much taking the position of like everything happens in the cloud.
And so when you use Gemini Spark,
like it's doing stuff up there and then you can come back to it,
whatever. And I did think it was interesting to use an iPhone for the spark demo,
which obviously everything's on purpose,
but like I thought that was interesting.
~ and it's also going to be coming to like Chrome and basically they said Chrome
will be an AI browser, which it had AI features already,
but I think this is another shot at like perplexity comment or chat GPT Atlas,
which I haven't heard.
anything about Atlas in like the last three months,
but that Chrome will have Spark and then it will just be able to do stuff for you.
And then Android Halo, which is the agents will be on your phone.
So Spark is like Gemini agents in the cloud doing stuff up there.
And then Android Halo, if you have an Android device,
is going to be agents doing stuff on your phone,
which is different than Gemini task automation,
which is also Gemini doing stuff on your phone.
So.
Hopefully that's clear to everybody.
Totally clear. Also,
Hopefully that's clear.
definitely not letting agents do things on my phone.
Yeah, mean, I'll order Starbucks for you if it could do it well.
Okay, let's talk about this for one second,
Steven. No, no, no, like I wanna just poke at the premise here.
I don't, I don't.
How hard is it to order Starbucks?
I mean, you can do it with shortcuts.
Also, you could do it by opening the app and tapping on reorder my last thing.
You can do it with shortcuts.
I don't understand, like how complicated have people's lives,
I'll see you right now.
hold on, how complicated have people's lives gone?
I don't believe that these are even close to the use cases.
They keep talking. Everyone wants to talk about I actually heard on
the recap from the verge. Yeah,
they talked about you can use it to plan an event like your wedding.
I'm like, No, no, you won't. You will not use an agent to plan your wedding.
Right? This is like self driving cars.
No you won't.
Some people actually like to drive cars.
So here's the scenario and I actually did a video I'll put in the show notes right
run Gemini task automation on a Samsung Galaxy s26 which you could do right
now with Starbucks door- and uber I believe Starbucks is
the most useful I find it but the scenario that I think it would
be useful for something like me is if we ever do a road trip We're gonna
hit a Starbucks somewhere and if I'm driving like yes,
I can hand my phone to my wife,
which I've done
Hand your
phone to your wife.
Yes, could do it. Sometimes she might be asleep.
Like this literally happened on the way back from the beach yesterday.
She was asleep. She didn't want anything from Starbucks.
The kids are to get stuff. To be able to just talk to the phone and
get all the orders with the customizations right so I don't have to look
at the phone and I can then just order it.
That's one scenario where it's like,
okay, there's some value there.
Now, yes, it is slow. I would never sit at home.
Do that like it would be much faster for me to tap around on the
app personally But there might be scenarios if you're walking down the street.
No, you're not gonna do that walking on the street in New York City You're gonna
you're just gonna tap on the app.
So driving
Yeah, I just think
I think that in less it is fast.
The shortcut thing is the only good option at this point because it's actually
faster. Right. It's just because you can set it up and be like,
It is fast. It is fast.
make a shortcut of my favorite order and you just run the shortcut and
it just then you show up and there's a drink waiting for you.
Right. That's different than did it get did it hear me?
Is it doing it? Like, I just don't think that I don't know.
I don't feel like this is a problem that actually needs to be solved.
It just makes a good demo.
It makes a good demo. I mean, if it expands,
you right now it's only in three apps.
If we're to expand and be able to do other things,
like if you could tell it, you know,
create a project in Asana and create these tasks,
assign it to these people. Like if you could just kind of stream of consciousness,
talk to your phone and it take all those actions on your behalf
and it's actually accurate. So when you get to the office,
you then don't have to like go through all that tedious work
of creating the projects and the tasks,
whatever, like, it's just done.
Maybe.
Maybe that's useful.
And it's
actually accurate. That's a really important thing you just glazed right past.
But I
will say, say, it's definitely a kit.
Whenever I did a custom Starbucks order,
if it could get those right, with Stevia packets,
upside down caramel macchiato,
like it got all of that. And that's a lot of little drop downs,
it's got a click. I'm just saying.
It did all that. Okay.
Here's, just figured
it out. In 2007, Steve Jobs got up on a stage and he introduced
Yeah.
He did. Yeah.
the iPhone and then he pranked called the Starbucks.
He said, I'd like to order 4,000 lattes.
Ha, just kidding. Nevermind. And he hung up the phone and Google's like,
That's right.
what if an agent pranked called Starbucks for you and ordered 4,000 lattes
~
on your behalf? You just shout at the phone.
You don't even, it's like,
Not as
fun.
Steve Jobs is living rent free in all of these tech executives heads.
You know, that's a good point.
Yeah, probably. All right. Well,
there's much other stuff. Last thing,
and then we're going to get to like universal cart and more Gemini stuff.
Google talked about a seamless AI search experience.
So again, like the whole theme of the keynote was just injecting AI into
all the things as much as possible.
And so for Google search, they're going to do search agents.
So not only can Google search,
like if you search for something,
will
send agents out there and do stuff for you.
And you can check for updates,
which I think is a useful task.
This would be like scheduled tasks in Claude or whatever.
You could say, check the availability of movie tickets for Odyssey from this theater
for every hour and let me know when there's some available.
So it can do those kind of repeated automated tasks because it lives in the cloud.
That's cool. And then they even said they're putting anti-gravity in search.
because they want you to be able to,
if you have a question about black holes,
to, when you ask the question,
Anti-Gravity and Google search will literally build visuals for you,
like in real time. And so the demo that they give is like,
what happens if two black holes like circle each other?
And there's literally an interactive visual where you can adjust
the slider for separation and for mass.
And it is showing you this animation of these two black holes around each other with
an explanation.
Again, I will say, that's kind of cool.
Like, when my kids have a question about time and I'm ready to give
a really long-winded answer that they don't care about,
I can do this and like show a visual right away.
Hey, just Google it, kids.
Well, let's Google it together.
I'm gonna turn on screen mirroring,
we'll throw it up on the Apple TV,
and we'll have it do that. Like,
that is, that's cool. Now,
Most of the time, the examples that you see from these kind of AI search stuff
is like black holes for some reason.
I feel like black holes is like a common trope of like,
show me how black hole works. You know,
how that goes to like, how do I make a chicken parmesan?
I'm not sure what kind of real-time slider visualization is gonna use like
~ a breadcrumb and cheese slider.
Like what happens when I drag that cheese slider all the way to the right?
Right?
I'm not sure what it does there.
But cool idea, but it's just AI and everything.
AI is everything.
It is funny that the two demos that they all wanna do at Google is book
you a flight and show you how a black hole works.
It's like, where are you guys booking flights to?
Like, what is it about? This is how a black hole works.
The center of the universe.
Would you like me to book you a flight to the closest one?
Like, no, I'm good, thank you very much.
I don't understand.
I've read Icarus,
I've read Icarus. I know what happens there.
It is interesting though, the,
cause this has already basically happened.
We're all just letting it happen.
But this is the most sure example of Google just wants you to only use one website.
Just go to google.com for literally everything.
Yeah.
And we never want to send you to anywhere else.
And I it's like, and we're all just allowing that to happen.
And that's, I think a negative across the board.
like Google, super useful. Where did it get all of that useful information from?
A bunch of websites that are just not going to exist anymore.
Well...
I will say though like I Think they are fighting still
the pull of these the other AI's namely Chachapi T and Claude
in the search department like my daughter she wants a bunny for
her birthday and I know nothing about bunnies.
I don't know about you Jason
We had a bunny when I was a child.
It died. mean, obviously, right?
Well, they don't live that long.
Did you enjoy the bunny?
Obviously, it's not still running around our yard.
I did not enjoy cleaning out the cage.
Just out of curiosity.
I would not encourage anyone to get a bunny.
Well, see, that's the thing.
I would encourage your daughter to get have a friend by the bunny and then
she can go over and play with the bunny.
It's kind of like being an uncle.
Yes or
You don't have to like put you don't have to bathe the children or feed them
or put them to bed. You just get to hang out with them and do cool things.
My brother will like text us and be like,
hey,
Does your youngest want to go to a Lions game?
Yes, but you know what? He's like,
Wow.
I don't have to deal with the sugar rush afterwards.
That's the thing. Well, it's like it's better to know someone with a boat than
to own the boat. You know what I mean?
Absolutely.
So anyway, she's probably going get a bunny because she wants a bunny.
Like she already has a friend with a bunny and that's why she wants a bunny.
So like the bunny is probably happening.
That ship has sailed. I know nothing about bunny breeds.
I could not have told you a bunny breed two days ago.
And so she said last night,
can we do some research on bunnies?
I said, sure.
And so I handed her my phone with Claude open.
And I didn't really give her any instructions.
was like, all right, go ahead and ask some questions.
First of all, I always think it's interesting.
Number, like step one,
she just started talking to it.
She didn't try typing to it. And she doesn't have it,
like she types plenty, but she was like,
she's just gonna talk to this thing.
So she tapped the voice mode and she just started talking to it.
And she just asked it a bunch of questions.
She has it for pictures.
She has to like the breeds and like friendliness and all this kind of stuff.
And she was just talking to Claude about the bunnies.
Now, if I would have handed her the Gemini app,
she would have just used that.
Or the Chat GPT app, she would have just used that.
But I do think there is a like,
you know, whatever your preference is,
like these all do fairly well.
And so Google maybe is trying to differentiate leveraging all the data
it has about you, playing that into personal intelligence,
saying, we'll even build you an interactive visual.
I think they're having to compete because I think it is still,
we're still in a competitive market.
Like they haven't won just yet.
I mean, they've won for many years.
Google search has been the default for many years.
And this has been the first few year span where they've been challenged
in this department where people are not always going to Google
to search bunny breeds. But yeah,
they're trying, I think they're trying to get back into it.
So anyway, sure. What,
Yeah.
what you gonna say?
Well, Google doesn't care because it doesn't ~ like that particular set
of sure you could do that on Google.
Like it would just give you an overview.
But you weren't going to Google to buy a bunny.
Yeah, sure, but they sure could have shown you ads for whatever person
is getting the bunny breed keyword.
And that is the thing,
The bunny breed buyer. Yeah.
that is still the core of Google's business is the ads business,
and they still need to be able to show you the ads.
And so they need you there. They need you on the Google search,
because that's what people pay for.
And I don't know what that means for anti-gravity building you a visualization
of a bunny, and whether or not you'll see an ad.
I think that's not
necessary. But what it would do is like,
build you and spin up an app in real time in your search that
then monitors the local bunny farm has a countdown
Yeah, right? Yeah?
on their website telling you when the next breed is going to be born
and Google will just check that every day and then it will send
you a notification when the bunnies are ready to be bought.
Gemini Spark, build a rabbit agent.
No, not rabbit agent. I said rabbit agent to check.
rabid. You're going to get the scariest bunny that you could possibly.
Please,
Why is my bunny a rabies? I don't understand.
Exactly, so red eyes,
these red eyes. All right, there's so much more.
Google Cart is coming in. Jason has thoughts on that.
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You have some thoughts on Google Cart.
Google said Universal Cart is like your cart everywhere.
Whatever you want to buy, if it's on YouTube,
if it's in Gmail, it's all the things.
Cart.
Yeah,
this isn't well, there's there are three different pieces to this.
One is a protocol. They had to get everybody on board with a protocol.
That's fun. Yeah.
So here's so I do want to say one thing about that.
What this means is this is distinct from I think the demo you showed where like your
phone is actually tapping around on the Starbucks app on its own.
That's not this. And in some ways,
what Google is saying, I'm sorry,
that's too hard. Right.
So this universal commerce protocol,
whatever they called it, is essentially like,
it's basically just an API between Target and Walmart and Google
and all these places so that they can communicate.
And I think Google said they have like 60 billion items.
Sometimes, yeah.
And it's basically a big MySQL database with a bunch of stuff in it that they
can just like, you click, you want this?
Okay, so there's that piece of it.
Then there's this payment processing piece of the whole thing,
which is kind of insane.
this agent payments protocol, which is this multi-layered thing that
is too confusing to really get into,
but basically think about what would be required to unleash agents with your credit
card on the internet.
What could go wrong?
just
think about that, right? And Google explains it in a way that I'm sure is right.
But it's basically like, you know,
you have to have the user tell the agent or tell the agent what they want.
And the agent has to find it and put it into a cart.
And then the merchant has to be like,
Yep, I agree. I signed this. But the reason that this all matters is like,
what happens if toilet paper shows up at your house and you're like,
I didn't
want this? didn't order this. Yeah,
Why is there a canoe in my front yard?
I did not. Just because one time on Instagram,
I liked a photo of people canoeing did not mean buy it for me.
Right? So so what goes wrong? Who's responsible for that?
Wait a minute, yeah.
Right? Like if when that happens,
Yeah.
so they had to build all of this stuff.
And then the conclusion of that is this thing called universal cart,
which basically means if you're on Google,
if you're in Gemini, if you're on YouTube,
or if you're in mail,
You can literally just start adding things to a cart that Google holds.
Alright.
And then you can look at the cart and be like,
yep, I want to buy this. And it'll just go out and be like,
oh, this only has four items left and it's on sale.
So let me put a coupon code in there for you.
And you can either finish the transaction in Google's universal cart or
you can go to the merchant. Go ahead.
Right,
it'll also proactively be like,
~ your Amex, if you buy it with your Amex,
you get 3 % off or whatever. So,
Yes.
yeah.
Well, that was the most interesting thing.
It's like, yes, if you use this card that we know is in your wallet,
you'll get this many points. I'm like,
Right.
I get why Google's doing this.
There's no company on Earth more willing to pay money for this sort
Yeah.
of thing than American Express.
Like, literally, when I worked in a previous publication and that publication wrote
Ha ha ha.
about credit cards, the reason they did is an affiliate link from a credit card
was like $700.
Yeah,
something crazy.
that they would pay, like, oh,
now I know why the Amex Platinum card has a $800 membership fee.
That's why all your travel
influencers, they hawk credit cards.
Yeah, they get paid big time paid anyway,
Yeah. If you buy a MagSafe charger from me,
so
my Amazon affiliate revenue is like one cent.
So that's, yeah, that's the difference.
Yeah. The reason Stephen has to push them so much is he needs a billion people
No, I love,
to buy them. I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
I love, look at that, look these MagSafe batteries.
I actually, oh, can I tell you,
my son had a birthday party the other day and...
He's turned 17 and so like all those friends are like teenagers and most
of them had iPhones. I already tell you the story Never mind.
Yeah, you did last week, but it's fine.
You can say it again. You gave away MagSafe batteries.
Forget it. No, no, that's fine.
I realized as the idea as I started to tell stars like oh shoot I already said this
It's fine.
never mind. You can listen to last week's episode.
It's good. Good, good promotion there.
You want to hear that story? Yeah,
Anyway.
Wait, so you were saying the universal cart.
I have no idea. Yeah, we're no.
Okay, very good. I
Yeah. But
the point is, if you're in Gmail and you see a thing,
you could just be like, this to my car.
Yeah, sure, sure.
Or you're on YouTube and Stephen is talking about a MagSafe battery pack.
You just add this to my car. The problem is,
think about this. You're not getting your Amazon affiliate when that happens.
That is true. unless they go, well,
and they didn't show Amazon in those demos,
so it remains to be seen.
So Amazon is
a partner with the first of the things that I talked about,
which is the protocol, universal commerce protocol,
Okay.
Walmart, Amazon, Target, Shopify,
all these people are a part of that.
But that just basically means like,
we'll all share information about this sort of thing.
They'll probably share their items so they show up in search,
but then to check out, I imagine you have to go to Amazon.
Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't know.
But the point I think the whole reason Google is doing this is right now,
Google is the default place that some number of people go when they're looking
to buy things, right? That's why shopping is such a huge thing.
Sure.
And it's the simplest thing to monetize,
because it's like a transaction.
And for the rest of humanity, Amazon,
you just go to Amazon when you're looking for something,
He's got everything. Yeah.
right?
and Google's like, we need to capture all of this.
And we just want to be the default place.
And we actually don't even we actually don't even want you to go to target.com.
We just want you to come here,
put the alt stuff in your universal car,
and we'll deal with the rest of it.
Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. don't use Google Pay or really a shop or anything,
but... Yeah, I have to use Google Wallet.
Yeah, you do have to be using Google Wallet,
which I don't use Google.
No, I don't use that. don't use that.
All right, we're try to jam through this,
but there was more generative stuff like Google Picks.
Again, it's AI altering images,
doing stuff, which looked kind of cool,
honestly, like resizing subjects within a photo and then overlaying text.
Like all those flyers that people put...
Like they make for schools or like small groups like maybe though that maybe they'll
look better now because you could use Google pics.
That's fun ~ flow for like more video generation and They also said something
about you can create your own creative apps With AI in flow and they basically show
like a marketplace of apps. So it looked like you know,
if you wanted to create your own creative tool for Whatever like you want
a specific tool to
make book covers, can vibe code but without the coding.
Like, vibe prompt, I want a tool that does this,
and then you could just do it.
And then there'll be a marketplace of the tools that everybody's built.
Kind of interesting. That seems kind of wild also.
I guess it'd be like custom GPTs almost,
where there's a marketplace of hyper-specialized GPTs.
anyway, there's that. Yeah, music,
you generate everything. Generate all the things.
I mean, you
just described a bunch of things that also sound a lot like a bunch
of other things that Google has like Google pics and Google photos.
Yes, yes.
And then there's like a video thing that's not video,
but there's still video like. But there's also this flow app thing,
There is still video. I don't know.
but also couldn't you have anti gravity do like,
I don't understand, Steven.
It's all all the things are all the things All right.
Well the land at the end of the keynote I didn't want to get to this
was they announced audio glasses and So last year Google I know what
you were there for there was the which we didn't really say you didn't make
it out to Google I hope that's it Right,
I didn't go because I'm going to Montreal.
you know, I think I feel like maybe that was a better choice
The actual
real reason I didn't go is we have a kid graduating in about a week
and a half's time. And so the number of things that are we're actually recording
Right.
this podcast a day early because tomorrow morning I have a thing to do and
Yes.
I had to change a flight to go to Montreal to a different day because
our daughter did her homework for the last 13 years.
And so we have to go to a little ceremony.
because wow wow
yeah that's it well congratulations to her and you
She's graduating with honor. So there we go.
There you go, that's awesome. Google,
the audio glasses. Last year you got to try the Google glasses where there
was a display in the lens. And now Google is like,
Yes.
no, this is all audio. So audio glasses will have Gemini built in and
it can just talk to you all day,
all day battery life. It still has a camera so you can like take pictures,
but it won't show you anything on a display.
And okay, one,
I thought, wow, this would be great if AirPods and an iPhone can
do this because it's exactly the same thing.
And if AirPods have the camera like were rumored last week,
like yeah, just talk to Apple intelligence to do this kind of stuff.
And also they had like, well, first of all,
Warby Parker, Gentle Monster, they're making very nice looking glasses.
Or at least they say it's nice looking.
They look fine. I wear Warby Parker.
But they even said like you can get directions.
And like, you know, you know, what's really helpful when you get directions
is like seeing where to go. And so like,
Yeah.
yes, the audio telling you to turn left or turn right is fine.
But I feel like you're going to want to see an arrow.
on a screen or pointing in a direction.
So I feel like audio only glasses,
I don't know how that, I don't know.
And then at the end of the demo,
they were like, we're gonna take a photo and I'm gonna have Jim and I put
a blimp in the background and make the whole photo cartoon imagery.
And I was like, well, why are you even taking the picture?
Like, why don't you just prompt it to like make a,
like AI generate a photo of a crowd with a blimp over it.
If you're gonna, and that was the other thing of like,
it feels very much like Google is just trying to get you to like,
AI all the things like even a real photo that you're taking with like physical
glasses of real people like you know what let's AI that too let's just
put a blimp in the background for no reason so
I feel like the movie clip today should have been like Robin Williams arguing with
the GPS in the movie RV where it just keeps like telling it turn left turn left.
It's a good one.
Do you really what you know what I do the first time I get into a car and
I hook up like I turn off the audio part of the navigation.
I just want to see it on the screen.
I do not ever want it talking to me.
Yeah, I don't have my talk to me either.
And this is literally what if you couldn't see anything and we just shout
at you turn left turn left. I don't want that.
Yeah, yeah
I don't want it Steven. It's bad.
Now they close the well they close the keynote with those wild quotes,
which I already stated I do want to say one thing that I would love to
see Apple be able to do something like this with Apple intelligence,
but I just don't know if it will ever happen But they talked about
how weather next which is one of their like AI models
was used to help
~ better hurricane tracking and forecasting.
And there was a massive hurricane that hit Jamaica last year
and Google's Weather Next was part of the tools that was used for early warning
and I think even the governor or the mayor ~ in Jamaica talked about
how it helped them be able to share warnings earlier,
which literally saved lives. And that's the thing is because one,
they should have opened the keynote with this kind of stuff.
Tell the stories of like why AI is like can be useful right now and like
the fact that you saved lives because of hurricane prediction models using your
AI like that's cool like that's unequivocally Impressive and like that's
the kind of like Apple watch stories you hear at the beginning
of Apple keynotes like do that at the front You know frame it like that because when
Right.
I saw that part of the keynote I was like man Google gets to say
our technology is being used outside our walls
by weather forecasters and is making a difference in the real world.
And I thought back to Apple and like,
I'm excited to get to go to DubDub.
All the rumors are that Apple Intelligence is going to be,
you know, big announcements there,
Siri's going to get better. The one thing Apple is not going to be able
to say is that like our AI technology will be used to do X,
Y or Z out in the world because they just don't have it.
And they're so much so that they are literally using Google's AI.
to power Apple Intelligence, and we're going to probably see that at DubDub.
And I understand that's just not where they're at.
They're making the devices that all people are using the AI on.
They're making all the Mac Minis and all the laptops that people are using it.
And there's literally an iPhone 17 Pro in the Google keynote using Google Spark.
Apple is making the hardware that all of this stuff is running on.
But it would also be nice if Apple could say,
we're making a tool for the outside world to use.
because our software or our compute is so good that we are making that difference.
maybe they don't need to do that,
but that was a moment in the Google keynote where I was like,
wow, that's cool. That's a cool thing.
And when we get to the accessibility features,
I actually had a lot of people on social media were like,
this is what AI should be used for.
Like, let it help someone who's visually impaired tell what's in front
of them and let AI be able to talk to them about it.
Like, those are cool use cases.
And Apple is doing that, to be clear.
We're going to talk about that in a second.
But it was kind of cool to hear Google and the weather.
Yeah, I mean, whether I mean, this was their Apple watch,
right? Yeah.
That's yeah, exactly. That's like their Apple
watch story whether or not it will cure all disease probably not probably
TBD.
not TBD are you had a great article last Google thing before we go to
iOS 27 we talked about the Google book last week,
but I'll also link to your ink article Usually this seems like
a shorter headline for you, but I do think it's great.
The Google book doesn't make any good any sense
I
don't understand. I a lot of time thinking about this,
Steven, and I don't understand.
I don't understand the Google book.
And the same thing is true with Spark is basically like Copilot,
right? Like I don't understand.
Yeah.
I just can't figure out what they're and except when you think about
the fact that they are not making
They are trying
Right?
to get other people to make nicer Chromebooks and they realized that
Yes.
if anyone was going to take them seriously,
they needed a new name and put a glowy thing on them.
And then they have a Google book.
I just, I mean, it's a terrible name,
Yeah,
but.
it's a bad name. I could definitely see them marketing like,
can run your Gemini Spark agent on your Google Book,
tell it to do something, and just close your laptop.
But they also just said in this keynote,
you could do that with your current laptop.
I mean, but can
you just imagine like, Acer, Lenovo,
could you make a notebook and would you put our name on it too?
Like at least when there's a Chromebook,
it just is like, it's Chrome. Yeah,
obviously every Lenovo laptop runs Chrome.
But now it's like, hey, what if we called it a Google book and you made it?
It's like, okay, well, I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, that's
I just don't understand.
sure All right, so I was 27 Apple has done this the last few years
and They announced the accessibility features coming with the next software early
So they actually unveiled the actual features access accessibility features coming
with iOS 27 and they said a lot of them are using Apple intelligence and
It was they have a really cool video.
I shared on social media basic voiceover We can have someone who's visually impaired
see what's in front of them
And like this is great uses of AI.
Like you can point your iPhone,
use the action button or program something else and say,
what is this document I'm looking at?
So this person got something in the mail.
It's a bill. And Apple intelligence can like interpret it for them.
They have like two shirts on the bed and they want to choose the right one.
They say, which is the plain one,
which is the plain white one. And your iPhone can tell you it's the one on the left.
It's the one on the right. Or where's my keys?
So like, that's really cool. This seems like,
yeah, great use of AI. Like let it be able to...
talk to people, explain what's going on.
There's even ~ the natural language input,
is interesting. And there was some posts on social media of like,
is this an agent on the iPhone?
And basically what it is is voice control,
which you can, voice controls exist for a long time.
You can talk to your Mac, you can talk to your iPhone,
but that the voice control in iOS 27 using Apple intelligence,
you can tell your iPhone, tap on the orange folder or tap
on the beach keynote. And it will literally,
take action on the screen for you without you touching the screen
and just using voice control to control your phone.
And Apple intelligence taking that even further.
Navigating apps and experiences.
And a lot of people were like,
is that an agent? It's like, well,
technically, mean, yeah, if your phone can use itself with your voice prompting,
it seems like it. But this is also very different from even
the Gemini task automation that I talked about earlier,
where I could tell it like, order me a caramel macchiato upside down.
That's a lot of clicks and a lot of steps it's going to go through
in the background. And this is seemingly more like single command,
like open this, go to this. But we'll see.
Maybe that's a clue of what's coming with iOS 27.
Yeah, and I would argue an agent is simply a string of technologies.
And this is one of those technologies that would also be found in an agent.
But in this case, it's an accessibility feature because it's the human
who is directing it. It's not.
And it is directing actual steps as opposed to directing the outcome.
That's a good distinction. They're also bringing captions to
all basically videos taken on your iPhone or sent to your iPhone.
So if you record a video or if a friend texts you a video,
there can be captions on there automatically.
So that's a great new feature,
iOS 27. And an amazing demo, Apple Vision Pro is going to work with power wheelchair
control. So someone can literally use their wheelchair by looking
at controls in Vision Pro.
and be able to like move to the left,
move forward, move to the right,
and like omni-directional control.
This is really cool. I will say,
I've used my Vision Pro a few times in the last week,
and sometimes the eye tracking is not super precise,
so I'm like, this has to be spot on,
because you can't have a motorized wheelchair like going off a ramp
Sure.
or doing whatever, but it is good.
We'll see, maybe...
Vision OS 27 will like heighten the accuracy even more.
Maybe there's like settings for ~ like blink to move or whatever,
but I thought that it's really cool connected to a wheelchair.
Yeah, that's fun. And last rumor about iOS 27,
Yeah, I agree.
Mark Gurman over at Bloomberg was saying that shortcuts will be able to
be made by themselves with Apple intelligence and iOS 27.
So you'll be able to open the shortcuts app and say,
make me a shortcut that does this and it's just going to do it.
And listen.
Maybe I'm out of a job, Jason.
Maybe this is it. This is the end.
I don't think this is the end.
I think that just every video is gonna be,
Thank you.
yeah, tell Siri, stop texting me.
Well.
Jason, stop texting me about shortcuts that you need.
Just, it'll do it for you.
Just as well
and here's I did a little short on it,
but my my thought is I There's actually an app right now called shortcut studio
I did a video on it last weekend and it is literally an app that
can build shortcuts for you, which is really cool and it does
a decent job but I'll put a link to my video and then shortcut so it's
a free to download you can build like three shortcuts a day for free and
you have to pay for
But what I have found is with some simple requests,
it nails it. And I imagine Apple Intelligence and shortcuts,
if you ask it something like, give me a report of my events for today and send
it to me in a text message, check my calendar events and go for it.
Like the shortcut studio app could do that today.
And that's using like AIs and LLMs in the background to make the shortcut
and you could download it. I'm sure Apple Intelligence will able to do that.
If I ask Apple Intelligence and iOS 27,
hey, make me a shortcut that uses the movie database API.
so can search for a movie or TV show,
pull the poster image, where to stream it,
and put all of that in an Apple Note,
I doubt it can do that. And only because I did some of those more complex tasks
in my video, and I won't spoil it,
but AI is still not super precise at connecting variables and shortcuts,
or being able to, once you get to longer tasks,
it kind of loses the plot.
Yeah.
Sometimes
doesn't pull from previous actions properly so maybe Apple's
own Apple intelligence will do that better Hopefully because it's actually Apple's
on-device LLM doing that but I think it will be great for simpler shortcuts
I think more complex shortcuts remains to be seen but listen I'll be
in my hotel room Monday night of WWDC Shouting at my phone to build shortcuts
all night, and you better believe that's gonna be on a video So maybe I'll
do a live stream who knows but we'll see that should be coming iOS 27
~ Sports ball. Do you use the Apple Sports app?
I forget.
I will look at it sometimes, especially when I want.
The main reason is I'm like, I think there's a game today of something.
I'll just open it because it's easier than Googling it.
Right.
It is. It's just like, I know it'll be in there.
I know yeah,
I'll just open that.
yeah, it's now available in more than 90 additional countries Including
so our listeners in Australia,
New Zealand, Japan, India. Someone's India,
too I forgot to give him a shout out someone to India as well But it's available
in 90 more countries and speaking of sports.
There's actually a new Apple vision Pro Documentary about Real Madrid
and Apple vision Pro the embargo drops today Wednesday,
so that I should be good to talk about it But I did watch it
in Applevision Pro and it's, you know,
one of the things about the immersive video,
and I think this could be like the future.
Did you listen to the Adam Lissagor talk show with John Gruber?
I didn't get to the whole thing.
It was a really fun episode, a lot about vibe coding,
but Adam Lisagor, who's been a guest on this show actually in the past,
of Sandwich Video, he talked about,
you know, he's very bullish on immersive video,
and that being like the next frontier in entertainment,
and whether that shakes out to be true or not,
I do find that the immersive video in Apple Vision Pro,
it makes me super invested in whatever it is,
even if I didn't have that much interest in it before.
Like there's like the two episode dog show thing in Applevision Pro.
I've never watched a dog show.
I didn't know any of the terms.
I would not care otherwise. But man,
watching those two episodes, like I was in it.
And I was like super invested.
And one is the storytelling and the Apple Studios making this content.
But also in this Real Madrid documentary,
I'm semi familiar. I know Cristiano Ronaldo.
I know Lionel Messi. Like I know some names.
I know about football.
But man, watching this documentary,
was like super invested. And the time always flies by when I watch
an Apple immersive video. And I talked about two of them last week,
the New York and the Switzerland one.
And so it's really good. So if have an Apple Vision Pro,
I would encourage you to watch the Real Madrid one.
And I hope there is more immersive content.
And Adam Lisagor on the talk show says like,
there's basically a few people out there,
like literally a handful, making immersive content that has
the Blackmagic immersive camera and trying to do it.
There's not a great way to distribute it.
That's one of reasons why he made the app called Theater on Vision Pro,
so you can watch some of that third party immersive content.
But yeah, it's still fun. Strap it on and watch some.
The New York was part of the Elevate series,
and I hated it. With a passion,
Thank you, Elevate. What?
Wait, wait, whoa, whoa,
Stephen.
whoa, why did you hate it?
This is not what people want, but this is what Apple thinks people want.
What people want is to put on the Vision Pro and feel like they're in
New York City and be able to determine that.
Yeah.
I don't want to a movie flying over New York City and flying through walking through
some streets and then cutting to something else and then going to this.
~
And then you go to the guy who's like on the bike and then you go
to this other place and then you do.
Yeah.
I don't want that, Steven. What I want is to be like,
a location. I want Street View,
but immersive.
and I can just like choose like 12 different different spots around the it's kind
of like the NBA games. People don't want you to cut them.
They just want to sit in a seat and experience what's happening.
And with the New York City, I just let me stand in Times Square.
Yeah.
Let me move forward or backward.
Let me do that's what people really want.
And that's what immersive means.
Immersive doesn't mean
we just made a movie, but we just did it with these different cameras
and we still control all the stuff.
Cause I'm like, ~ that was cool.
And then I have to back up and be like,
I'm walking. It didn't feel like New York city to me because of that.
And I've been in New York city.
I know you're from New York. I've been to New York city probably 50 times because
Sure, sure, Yeah, yeah.
of like for work. I've been there a whole lot of times,
probably more than most people who don't live there.
Like it, right. I'm very familiar with New York city and I love New York city.
Sure, sure.
It's one of my favorite places on earth.
If we didn't have children, maybe we'd live there.
I don't know. I did not like it at all.
That's wild. Well, I will just heartily disagree.
I mean, it's a subjective thing,
but I thought if you had never been to New York,
it provides like one with all this immersive content.
None of it is long enough. You know,
it's all like short in the New York City one.
I think it's like eight minutes or something.
And so like, what do you do in eight minutes?
And you know, the other elevated series,
there's like narration and there's explanation.
And I love that New York City was just the sights and sounds of the city.
And so I totally get like someone might just want to like stand in Times Square
for 30 seconds or a minute. I want Mr.
or walk through Central Park.
Park and like that would be a cool like app,
you know, like choose your venue,
Times Square, Central Park, Soho,
Chinatown, and just like staying on the streets corner and then like Google street
view, like tap another street corner.
Zoom over there and then feel like you're just standing there And if
it was like live like that would be awesome like that'd be a cool vision
pro idea like let me Be in new york city right now as it's happening
And again adam lisagor did live video in immersive for the talk show
two years ago So that's probably happening,
but I will have to disagree. I enjoyed it.
I'm sorry. didn't enjoy it
I just care more about New York City than you do.
That's clearly the answer.
that
though them fighting words first of all do you even have you even had a knish
You just made up those words. Is is a a can ish the thing that the
See? Everyone who's listening,
who knows?
AI delivered when you ordered a canoe?
The fact that, okay, see I can rest my case because everyone listening
who loves New York as much as I do,
they know what's up. They know what a Knish is.
They've bought it from the guy on the side of the street and they know,
they know.
No, the reason I've never had a condition is I don't like mashed potatoes.
See, I feel so confident right now that people,
they're gonna, listen, don't leave us a one-star review for what Jason said.
Leave a five-star review and tell me the corner on New York City where
you got your favorite knish. We'll shout out everyone in the next show.
The all
I've had one from Katz's deli,
which is fine, but I'm just saying I'm just I've eaten a lot of listen,
That's fine.
New York City street food and I we go back quite a ways.
No, I'm serious. Like there's listen,
We go back. We go back. Yeah, yeah.
but you know.
Sobret— a Sobret hot dog. Dirty water hot dog.
I need to— now I need to start another podcast about New York.
Sure.
And just talk to people about New York.
I gotta start yet another podcast.
You just sent me breaking news,
All right. I did.
Jason. Breaking as we record. What just happened?
James Murdoch buys half of Vox Media.
There it is.
He bought fox.com,
New York magazine and all the podcasts,
the podcast network, the verge will remain independent.
So will Eater. I don't know what Eater is,
but.
The Virgil remain independent like they're not part of this deal?
There's correct.
~ interesting.
So don't know what that means for those companies,
but it's just we knew that this was this was rumored that this might happen.
Okay. We talked about it,
But now we know what the podcast network,
Steven, this was the most interesting.
I actually read this while you were talking about something that I don't remember.
But the no, it was way before that.
Caniscious, caniscious.
This actually broke about 45 minutes ago.
OK. ~ The Google IOS stuff.
But we didn't have time to talk about it in the middle of all the other things that
were happening. But ~ the podcast network generated
OK, all right.
80 million dollars last year.
That's not bad for a podcast network.
That's incredibly good for a podcast network.
Yeah.
I think there's a lot of podcast networks that would love to make $80 million.
For sure and that's like waveform and can be a G's podcast is on the Vox Network
the verge cast
pivot, all of those.
But
does it is the verge cast part of this deal then?
No, so the network is just a collect a collective of buying
shows. Yeah, yeah,
up ads like but it's not the shows because like MKB HD owns his show.
They just buy the ads and put them on there.
Right, it's the, have, right, right,
That's the the put buying the ads and putting them places is the thing that
right.
got bought not the shows like pivot Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway
Right.
own that show right in the verge cast may the verge cast will stay with
Right, right, right.
the verge I assume but they may still be a part of the network which will
not just be a part of this other
Right, which you could always leave the network,
but then it's a lot harder to get ads,
~ usually.
Right, and the
CEO, Jim Bankoff, is going to new company.
okay. Interesting. All right. That's interesting.
Listen, if anyone wants to buy this podcast for $300 million,
Interesting.
we're not selling. Well, no, we probably would.
We will definitely sell for $300 million.
$300 million maybe.
I don't own any of this show, but I will.
Yeah, I'm just I'm just saying $300 million
Do I? The people own this show,
Jason. The people.
is slightly above the line. I'm not going to tell you where the line is,
It's a lot of money. Slightly.
just just like it was three. Yeah.
but I will tell you 300 million is above it.
335. I don't know. Might be under.
Also, if you want to own something like a Plex lifetime pass,
that's now going to be $750. Listen,
Plex, we're going to talk about this in the bonus episode.
I bought a Plex pass when it was $75 lifetime.
So I own Plex. But right now.
whole company onto it. Steven is the one raising prices.
I own a That's
right plex lives on my son ology in a closet.
It's 250 lifetime pass right now.
It's going up to $750 this summer and The subscription stays
the same $7 per month $70 per year,
you know, I actually bought a bullhorn to talk about pricing and subscriptions.
You see that Jason? You see my bullhorn
~ Yeah, because well
only because you yeah
I you know people when I did my widget video on iPhone people
got upset because there were a lot of subscriptions even though All
the widgets you could use for free except for the tide guidance So I'm
now doing I'm now doing a bullhorn in videos whenever I talk about pricing
and so for a plex It is still seven dollars a month or seventy dollars
per year going up to seven hundred fifty dollar lifetime purchase
I'm doing bullhorns now
So the bet
is that you're going to live more than 10 years.
I guess but all the reason why I to bring that up is if you ever think
for a moment I'm gonna try and convince Jason in the bonus episode that
you will want to use plex in the future You should just buy the lifetime pass
now for 250 before you have to pay triple that amount.
That's all I'm saying So there's that there's that AI and Gen Z we talked about
it last week at length since then ex-google CEO Eric Schmidt was booed
at a commencement like are you
CF example last week because he talked about AI and so we will include that article.
Graduating class not happy. We had a great email from listener Andrew.
He's Gen Z, graduated in 2024,
so a couple years ago. And he basically said,
I'm going to quote from his email.
Well, I shouldn't have started here,
but Jason nailed pretty much every point.
I didn't want to say that. I didn't want to say that.
I love this email.
But this is now Andrew talking in email.
And he did say that. students,
me included, have anxiety whether we're going to get a job or not,
or if AI is going to take everyone's jobs,
leaving us broke, homeless, and or unable to survive.
He says he's a young professional,
and he uses AI. He said, like,
I use it, and my kids use it. He's substitute for Google sometimes,
similar to search engines, everyday questions.
But for someone who, like, he works in the world of sales and customer service,
he has no use for AI outside of kind of that general use or whatever.
~
Yeah, it's a little unsettling for someone like him who just graduated
a couple years ago. So Andrew,
thank you for that email too. If you're Gen Z,
if you graduated this year or soon to graduate or recently did,
we'd love to hear from you too,
your feelings about AI. But yeah,
considering they're booing Eric Schmidt on stage at a commencement
and this sentiment, does seem like the younger generation is not as bullish
as AGI is the singularity or whatever.
So how do your kid, I mean, your kid,
Mm-hmm.
your daughter's graduating.
I mean...
We asked, I asked them live on the show,
remember? And they're basically like,
I know you have some live on the show,
like...
depends. And I'm like, that's super,
That's, have they been media trained,
that's super. I know that is super Gen Z right there.
Jason? Did you give them media training?
I just depends. Don't worry about it.
It depends Don't
worry about it. Well, we would love to hear from more We'll discuss more
at length when there's not 1 000 google things to talk about but but keep writing
in Andrew Thank you for that email and last piece of news before we
get to personal tech We have to mention the case between elon musk
and sam altman elon lost He lost the case the
Yeah. We knew this
was gonna happen. No one, I don't even think Elon Musk thought that
he was gonna win. No, really, like,
Yeah.
but the best part, there's two things that are good about this.
One, well,
no, there's one thing that's good and one thing that's bad.
The thing that's good is I think that there is a perception that,
and there's a reasonable reason for this,
that if you just have enough money and enough force of personality,
you can just bully your way through anything.
And this outcome is...
is shows that that's not that's not that's not true.
I don't think it should be a like the fact that Elon Musk should have lost this
is in no way an endorsement of anything Sam Altman has ever done.
I just want to be clear. Okay.
Right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just wanted to be clear about that.
The bad thing about this is that he lost on essentially a technicality.
So they did not in court. This is the way courts work.
Red.
If
If you lose on it, if you can lose on a technicality,
then they don't actually decide on the actual facts or the law.
Essentially what the jury decided is that Elon Musk waited too long
to file this lawsuit based on what he was saying happened.
They did not decide whether the thing he said happened happened or not.
I wish that they would have, but I understand why they didn't.
I wish they would have been like,
shove it, you're wrong. But what they said is,
We're not gonna decide if you're right or wrong.
doesn't matter. It's too late for us to make that.
You waited too long.
Statue of limitations seems like an anticlimactic end to a case like this.
That seemed pretty large. And in the New York Times article I'll include,
the jury deliberated for less than two hours.
Like, 12 angry men deliberated more in their movie than the jury in this.
You're right.
But yeah, it's court, case is over.
~ He lost.
You couldn't have even
watched 12 Angry Men in the amount of time that they spent deliberating.
That is true. That is true. All right personal tech air pods Pro 3
I There have not been third-party tips available for a little while.
I've been using the stock tips They've been better than air pods Pro 2 for me.
They stayed in my ear better They didn't fall out as much when I
was walking around grocery shopping as I do think the tips on the three
Pro 3 are improved over the Pro 2 How's your been experienced with the Pro 3 tips?
I have never had a problem with any air pod tips ever.
Never falling out?
I had I've had an air pod fall
out once and happened this week.
And it's because we put sod in our graph.
We we laid some side down getting ready for an open house.
So you have to walk a slightly different path in our backyard to get to
the gate to get out. And we have ~ actually I think it's a well,
the scientific name is Florida,
but it's like a dogwood tree or whatever.
Okay.
and a flowering dogwood and I walked too close to it and one of
the branches just pulled my air pod right out.
That's literally the only time I've ever had an air pod fall out.
well that's yes.
You never feel it loosen like if you're like smiling a lot.
No, but I think about it every time I go to the bathroom and still have
an AirPod in.
Well, that is yeah, I do become aware
So the comply tips came out recently and I've used comply tips for all
of my past airpods pro and those have been great I got them for the three.
They're still great. They're much more foamy than the stock
pro tips and The foaminess as people have reported can Get kind of after
a long time, you know I use mine for about a year and then I want
to get another pair because they're they get a little nasty the camera's
not gonna be able to see it but ~ but
Thank goodness.
Right, so it'll be good but a lot of people and apparently Christopher loyal Lolly
mentioned these to the charge in Chargen which you can't get on Amazon this
you have to buy directly from charge and a lot of people said these tips
are even better than the comply tips and these are kind of more of their hybrid
II whereas the comply tips are basically all foam the charge in tips It's
got foam and then it kind of has an outer layer some
new texture whatever a silicone shield so it's supposedly going to both stay
in your ear and protect the phone from getting nasty after a while and it also
has a little speaker grill over the thing as opposed to being totally open
the comply tips are totally open and these do have a speaker grill
in practice I've not noticed a huge difference in sound quality because
the speaker grill which is fine but comfort they're very comfortable I've been
wearing in the last few days
you know how dirty they get over time i have to report back i do feel like
it doesn't provide as tight of a seal as the comply like
the comply tips when they expand in my ear they're like rock solid
and these are good they're solid they've not fallen out i need
to go grocery shopping with them that's my true test that's always how i test
my my headphones and i will test the noise canceling and all of that they're very
comfortable though
They're more secure than the stock tips I have found.
And ~ that extra layer might help them stay cleaner.
They do take a second more to expand.
The comply foam tips, when you squeeze them,
they pretty much expand instantly.
You don't really have to wait for them to fill your ear.
Let me just try it real quick.
No, they take a while to expand.
If you squeeze it hard enough,
they'll squish down and expand.
The charge in.
It's about the same, know, it'll it'll expand for a few seconds So you
do kind of have to hold it in your ear for a second If you want it
to expand in place rather than just kind of and you can just try to shove them
in there But I like to squeeze them a little bit before I put them in.
Anyway, they sound good. They feel good.
They're comfortable I'll report back once I've tested them for more than
a couple days, but they're a great alternative There are a little pricey like
40 bucks. You do get three pairs in the box,
but the charging air foams Pro they've been pretty good and so I'll report back with
a more thorough review, but
But I do like them, I'll be trying them.
Nice. I'm not going to try them,
but I'm glad you are happy.
Listen everybody's ears are different Jason everybody's ears
are different sometimes. You know you need the extra tips so all right
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