1 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:11,790 Ally: Hey, Seth. 2 00:00:11,910 --> 00:00:12,330 Seth: Hey, Allie. 3 00:00:13,980 --> 00:00:19,200 Ally: So today is our first midterm candidate interview. 4 00:00:19,980 --> 00:00:20,070 Right. 5 00:00:20,370 --> 00:00:22,740 And when we talked about doing this podcast, one of the things that 6 00:00:22,740 --> 00:00:26,760 was really important to both of us was focusing on the midterms. 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:26,970 Right? 8 00:00:26,970 --> 00:00:27,060 Right. 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:29,670 Focusing on, um. 10 00:00:30,270 --> 00:00:36,150 Finding the progressive grassroots democratic candidates that we feel 11 00:00:36,150 --> 00:00:41,940 good about, um, interviewing and platforming because it's not gonna 12 00:00:41,940 --> 00:00:43,860 be enough just to win the midterms. 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,110 We gotta make sure we have the right people in there, 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:46,410 Seth: right? 15 00:00:46,530 --> 00:00:49,410 And so it all starts with the primaries. 16 00:00:49,410 --> 00:00:55,110 The primaries, of course, uh, is where each party decides within its own self. 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,110 Who's the, who's the face that we're gonna put out there. 18 00:00:58,950 --> 00:00:59,070 Mm-hmm. 19 00:00:59,310 --> 00:01:03,570 And, uh, and this, uh, for Democrats is incredibly important because 20 00:01:03,870 --> 00:01:07,770 we, again, we wanna platform the right kinds of Democrats. 21 00:01:07,980 --> 00:01:09,660 Not every Democrat is your friend. 22 00:01:10,290 --> 00:01:12,090 Uh, not every Republican is your friend. 23 00:01:12,090 --> 00:01:13,440 Ally: They're not all created equal. 24 00:01:13,470 --> 00:01:14,370 Seth: Yeah, exactly. 25 00:01:14,370 --> 00:01:19,740 And so, you know, and, and, and right now in our country's history, and I know you 26 00:01:19,740 --> 00:01:23,130 feel the same way, is that it is time. 27 00:01:23,460 --> 00:01:28,320 This is our moment to get some grassroots pu uh, pardon me, uh, 28 00:01:28,350 --> 00:01:30,539 progressive candidates in there. 29 00:01:30,899 --> 00:01:33,570 And, you know, it, it kind of started with Bernie. 30 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:39,420 It has continued through Zora Momani is the latest, uh, you know, example of it. 31 00:01:39,690 --> 00:01:42,090 And you gotta strike where the iron is hot. 32 00:01:42,330 --> 00:01:44,910 These populous views, absolutely progressive views. 33 00:01:45,060 --> 00:01:49,110 They're looking real good in the face of the current disaster 34 00:01:49,110 --> 00:01:50,490 That is the Trump administration. 35 00:01:51,450 --> 00:01:52,500 Ally: I can't agree more. 36 00:01:52,770 --> 00:01:57,929 I mean, we need to clean out these status quo Democrats. 37 00:01:57,990 --> 00:02:01,770 We need to, first of all, reject them out of pocket. 38 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,970 We don't want to primary that we don't want to vote for them in the midterms. 39 00:02:05,970 --> 00:02:08,850 We are looking for the cream of the crop, right? 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,170 People that are not afraid to say, I am a progressive Democrat. 41 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,210 I am a Democratic socialist. 42 00:02:16,100 --> 00:02:21,140 And I hope eventually we can weed out all of those corporate dems, 43 00:02:21,140 --> 00:02:24,080 those status quo dems from the party. 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,860 But midterms is where it's really gonna start, and I think it's an 45 00:02:27,860 --> 00:02:33,530 opportunity to really shape reshape the Democratic party starting in November. 46 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:38,610 So today we've got, um, we've got an interview with Mike Hyden Rech. 47 00:02:39,405 --> 00:02:45,255 He is running for Congress in Wisconsin, in Wisconsin's sixth district. 48 00:02:45,585 --> 00:02:48,105 We've met with him before we, we've met him. 49 00:02:48,195 --> 00:02:49,995 He's, he's come up on your live, right? 50 00:02:49,995 --> 00:02:50,175 Right, 51 00:02:50,355 --> 00:02:50,660 Seth: that's right. 52 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:52,380 And Mike, 53 00:02:53,190 --> 00:02:53,239 Ally: oh, great guy. 54 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,350 Seth: And he's been, uh, you know, he's been going around different 55 00:02:55,350 --> 00:02:57,030 lives, kind of getting the word out. 56 00:02:57,270 --> 00:02:59,580 And I mean, he's just, just, just the, I love Mike 'cause he is just 57 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:02,730 like a down home guy, normal guy. 58 00:03:02,850 --> 00:03:05,670 There's nothing fake about Mike. 59 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:08,430 You know, Mike is just, just giving you who he is. 60 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:13,740 And I really hope that, that everybody sees that, uh, in our interview with him, 61 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:18,960 uh, just how down home he is and how, you know, especially if you're in Wisconsin. 62 00:03:19,465 --> 00:03:21,475 You gotta look, you gotta give this guy a look. 63 00:03:21,475 --> 00:03:23,935 And if you know people in Wisconsin, y'all, like, even if 64 00:03:23,935 --> 00:03:26,815 you don't live in Wisconsin, like look, they're, they're 50 states. 65 00:03:26,965 --> 00:03:28,405 We're gonna go state by state. 66 00:03:28,405 --> 00:03:31,405 So if you know some people around there, you know, some friends, 67 00:03:31,495 --> 00:03:34,644 you know, you have some family in Wisconsin, tell them to give Mike a 68 00:03:34,644 --> 00:03:36,715 look because he is, he's the real deal. 69 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:38,790 Ally: Such an authentic guy. 70 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,720 Um, lifelong career working in the union. 71 00:03:43,050 --> 00:03:47,250 He's been volunteering in politics for years, starting with 72 00:03:47,250 --> 00:03:49,800 the, uh, first Obama campaign. 73 00:03:50,250 --> 00:03:55,200 Um, and now he's reached a point in his life where, you know, he feels 74 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,130 like the only way he can really make a difference is to put his hat in the ring. 75 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,150 So really looking forward to this conversation and, um. 76 00:04:03,525 --> 00:04:04,665 See you on the other side. 77 00:04:04,845 --> 00:04:05,204 Seth: Can't wait. 78 00:04:06,765 --> 00:04:08,415 Ally: We've got Mike Hyden Reich. 79 00:04:08,415 --> 00:04:11,505 He is running for Wisconsin Congress. 80 00:04:11,505 --> 00:04:12,615 The sixth district, right? 81 00:04:12,615 --> 00:04:13,005 Mike? 82 00:04:13,575 --> 00:04:14,475 Mike: That is correct. 83 00:04:14,715 --> 00:04:15,255 Ally: Welcome. 84 00:04:15,255 --> 00:04:15,470 Mike: That is correct. 85 00:04:16,034 --> 00:04:16,545 Thank you. 86 00:04:16,784 --> 00:04:19,665 Ally: So Mike, first tell us a little bit about yourself. 87 00:04:19,665 --> 00:04:21,855 So what's your background? 88 00:04:21,855 --> 00:04:23,230 What made you even want to do this? 89 00:04:25,125 --> 00:04:30,525 Mike: So many things, but, um, my background is, well for the LA 90 00:04:30,554 --> 00:04:32,505 I've been lifelong Wisconsinite. 91 00:04:32,534 --> 00:04:34,424 I have lived here my whole life. 92 00:04:34,544 --> 00:04:39,914 I haven't ever really wanted to go anywhere else, but I, I love it here. 93 00:04:39,974 --> 00:04:45,825 And I, uh, moved around the Madison area for some time until I got my current. 94 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:51,670 Position, uh, at a power plant on south of Portage, and I have worked there for 95 00:04:51,670 --> 00:04:57,730 the last 17 years, uh, 14 at the power plant, uh, 17 with the union in total. 96 00:04:58,150 --> 00:05:01,450 I've been a union worker for that entire time. 97 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:07,840 But before that, one of the, the interesting coincidences was when I, um. 98 00:05:08,820 --> 00:05:11,940 I got really involved in politics right after high school. 99 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,510 Like right out of the gate I was doing political canvassing 100 00:05:15,510 --> 00:05:17,489 in very, very red districts. 101 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,390 Um, I was the guy they sent out in Washington County because 102 00:05:21,419 --> 00:05:24,419 they're like, eh, no one's gonna, you know, take a shot at him. 103 00:05:24,419 --> 00:05:25,380 He looks too nice. 104 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:26,070 Ally: Right. 105 00:05:26,130 --> 00:05:28,650 Mike: And, and I literally would go to like. 106 00:05:29,670 --> 00:05:33,330 I go to Republican congressman's houses and like try and sell 107 00:05:33,330 --> 00:05:34,410 'em on the Democratic Party. 108 00:05:34,410 --> 00:05:35,940 They're like, you know who I am? 109 00:05:36,540 --> 00:05:38,520 It's like, no, I was an 18-year-old kid. 110 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:39,120 What would I know? 111 00:05:39,780 --> 00:05:42,060 But I, I loved it. 112 00:05:42,450 --> 00:05:48,300 I loved it because I genuinely believed in what I was talking to people about. 113 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:53,730 And the Obama campaign came around and it felt like. 114 00:05:54,870 --> 00:06:01,380 It wasn't just hope, it was, Hey, this is your opportunity to do something 115 00:06:01,380 --> 00:06:03,060 to make the world a better place. 116 00:06:03,660 --> 00:06:06,750 And we're not gonna tell you what that thing is. 117 00:06:06,870 --> 00:06:08,760 We're just gonna give you the tools to do it. 118 00:06:09,150 --> 00:06:10,350 Go out and make it work. 119 00:06:10,740 --> 00:06:16,860 And by God, we did, uh, we ended up, I think we had like 300 some volunteers 120 00:06:16,860 --> 00:06:18,900 under us just in that one little precinct. 121 00:06:19,890 --> 00:06:23,820 And, uh, we, towards the end I was celebrating in a union 122 00:06:23,820 --> 00:06:26,010 hall and it was my union. 123 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,100 Oh, that's so that I later so cool that I would later join. 124 00:06:29,219 --> 00:06:31,080 I was like, this is a really nice place. 125 00:06:31,140 --> 00:06:34,170 Uh, I mean they got the, the table was all engraved and it was their 126 00:06:34,170 --> 00:06:38,790 old, it was nine, six, fives old location, uh, across from where I lived. 127 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,880 And we were working out of there for quite some time. 128 00:06:41,935 --> 00:06:42,355 Seth: Mm-hmm. 129 00:06:42,495 --> 00:06:43,275 Mike: And it was just. 130 00:06:44,625 --> 00:06:51,284 It was so rewarding and I shortly after got my job and it, it was the 131 00:06:51,284 --> 00:06:52,875 kind of job you work all the time. 132 00:06:53,235 --> 00:06:54,495 You, you just work, work, work. 133 00:06:55,110 --> 00:07:02,160 And so I thought, Hey, I, I think I can, you know, the Obama was firmly in office. 134 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,150 I was like, I feel like I can actually take a breath and earn 135 00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:07,770 some money, support my family. 136 00:07:08,310 --> 00:07:14,730 And so I did that for about eight years, nine years, and that Trump got elected and 137 00:07:14,730 --> 00:07:16,740 I saw what was going on and I was like. 138 00:07:17,795 --> 00:07:20,675 I, I need to get at least re-involved as a volunteer. 139 00:07:20,795 --> 00:07:20,885 Ally: Mm-hmm. 140 00:07:21,215 --> 00:07:25,865 Mike: But also start thinking about maybe I need to do something more. 141 00:07:25,925 --> 00:07:25,955 Okay. 142 00:07:27,095 --> 00:07:30,785 And Biden got into office, COVID happened. 143 00:07:30,785 --> 00:07:38,405 Everyone was, uh, life altered a lot and when. 144 00:07:39,585 --> 00:07:43,755 When it looked like we were going towards one of the more politically 145 00:07:43,785 --> 00:07:50,085 turmoil filled eras in our life, I said, okay, I, I need to get re-involved. 146 00:07:50,085 --> 00:07:50,775 Re-involved. 147 00:07:50,865 --> 00:07:50,955 Mm-hmm. 148 00:07:51,195 --> 00:07:54,615 It, it also helped that they got my work pretty fully 149 00:07:54,615 --> 00:07:56,715 staffed up so I could actually. 150 00:07:56,969 --> 00:07:57,719 Take time off. 151 00:07:57,900 --> 00:07:58,080 Take the time. 152 00:07:58,085 --> 00:07:58,650 Yeah, that makes sense. 153 00:07:58,650 --> 00:08:02,670 Whereas, whereas before, you can't do that when you're working 60 plus 154 00:08:02,670 --> 00:08:04,200 hours a week, almost every week. 155 00:08:04,620 --> 00:08:08,400 But now that I actually have that time, I said, I'm gonna help. 156 00:08:08,460 --> 00:08:13,140 And so I helped, uh, one of my neighbors and one of my neighbors from down the way. 157 00:08:13,530 --> 00:08:19,560 Um, they got, uh, the state assembly and state senate seats in this area. 158 00:08:19,650 --> 00:08:19,740 Mm-hmm. 159 00:08:19,980 --> 00:08:21,300 And they're doing great. 160 00:08:21,390 --> 00:08:23,670 Uh, Maureen and uh, Sarah are. 161 00:08:23,675 --> 00:08:26,585 Amazing state, uh, rep and state senator. 162 00:08:26,915 --> 00:08:28,475 I couldn't be happier for them. 163 00:08:29,495 --> 00:08:31,715 And that was the 24 election. 164 00:08:32,705 --> 00:08:35,735 And I mean, we all know how that turned out. 165 00:08:35,825 --> 00:08:36,095 Yeah. 166 00:08:36,095 --> 00:08:40,445 And I was like, literally the only thing we didn't win as Democrats 167 00:08:40,445 --> 00:08:44,885 in what was previously a pretty red district was the presidential election. 168 00:08:44,890 --> 00:08:45,020 Mm-hmm. 169 00:08:45,100 --> 00:08:46,115 It was the only thing we lost. 170 00:08:47,255 --> 00:08:48,245 And I realized we 171 00:08:48,245 --> 00:08:49,385 Seth: see this a lot. 172 00:08:49,415 --> 00:08:52,415 We've seen that, we saw that a lot with a lot of swing states. 173 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:54,435 Mike: I thought very strange. 174 00:08:54,435 --> 00:08:57,705 There were Trump voters who voted from the state senator. 175 00:08:57,705 --> 00:08:59,415 I was helping get elected. 176 00:08:59,715 --> 00:09:02,235 I was like, that doesn't make sense. 177 00:09:02,325 --> 00:09:02,475 Ally: It 178 00:09:02,475 --> 00:09:02,955 Mike: happened 179 00:09:02,955 --> 00:09:03,855 Ally: all over the country. 180 00:09:03,855 --> 00:09:05,115 It was bizarre. 181 00:09:06,255 --> 00:09:11,235 Mike: I, I can't really answer why I, I have some theories, but 182 00:09:11,445 --> 00:09:14,355 what it comes down to is they. 183 00:09:15,255 --> 00:09:20,445 It's the thing that I have been talking about now in my election for some time. 184 00:09:21,135 --> 00:09:25,215 A lot of politics comes down to, do you know who the heck that is? 185 00:09:25,695 --> 00:09:25,785 Yeah. 186 00:09:25,785 --> 00:09:27,225 Do you recognize their name? 187 00:09:27,585 --> 00:09:29,595 Do you recognize their face? 188 00:09:29,655 --> 00:09:31,545 Can you identify anything? 189 00:09:31,635 --> 00:09:34,755 Even if you dislike them, do you know who they are? 190 00:09:35,295 --> 00:09:35,415 Ally: Right? 191 00:09:35,475 --> 00:09:39,255 Mike: Because a lot of people, especially people who politics, does not matter 192 00:09:39,255 --> 00:09:43,965 as much about, like, it's not really a part of their lives on a daily basis. 193 00:09:44,595 --> 00:09:47,295 When they get in the voting booth, a lot of times they just look at 194 00:09:47,295 --> 00:09:50,775 it and go, uh, um, who's that? 195 00:09:50,925 --> 00:09:52,965 I don't know who any of these people are. 196 00:09:53,115 --> 00:09:53,475 Ally: Yeah. 197 00:09:53,625 --> 00:10:00,255 Mike: And we forget how often politics does not penetrate to someone 198 00:10:00,255 --> 00:10:01,965 who doesn't care about politics. 199 00:10:02,655 --> 00:10:03,495 We're we're in it. 200 00:10:03,585 --> 00:10:03,915 Right. 201 00:10:03,915 --> 00:10:06,345 We, we are involved on a daily basis. 202 00:10:06,345 --> 00:10:06,405 Yeah. 203 00:10:06,465 --> 00:10:13,215 I, I get more political news than I know what to do with, but someone who isn't. 204 00:10:13,650 --> 00:10:16,709 Isn't necessarily fine hearing about any of this. 205 00:10:17,699 --> 00:10:21,719 That's why some of the things that happened in Minnesota changed so 206 00:10:21,719 --> 00:10:27,000 much because it didn't matter if you were aware politically or not. 207 00:10:27,060 --> 00:10:27,959 You saw that. 208 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:28,680 Ally: Yeah. 209 00:10:28,770 --> 00:10:33,630 Mike: That got through and that's the kind of thing that we're starting to see. 210 00:10:33,689 --> 00:10:39,660 Oh, people are actually paying attention because it's getting through the noise. 211 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:40,500 Right. 212 00:10:40,785 --> 00:10:44,625 I, I really wish it didn't have to get through that way, but yeah, 213 00:10:44,625 --> 00:10:45,135 Ally: I know. 214 00:10:45,255 --> 00:10:45,885 Me too. 215 00:10:46,125 --> 00:10:46,665 Me too. 216 00:10:46,665 --> 00:10:50,235 I am, I'm glad that they're starting to pull out of Minnesota now. 217 00:10:50,235 --> 00:10:55,275 I hope, um, sooner than later they'll all be gone and let that community rebuild. 218 00:10:55,785 --> 00:11:00,255 It's been, uh, I'm, I'm struggle and an inspiration both. 219 00:11:00,285 --> 00:11:02,505 Mike: I'm hopeful and yes, it has been. 220 00:11:02,594 --> 00:11:05,265 Uh, but by the way, Bravo to Minnesota. 221 00:11:05,385 --> 00:11:05,444 Yeah. 222 00:11:05,444 --> 00:11:08,324 Like you guys got it done for the Midwest. 223 00:11:08,895 --> 00:11:16,185 And what I'm concerned about is there's been some, it's looked like one of the 224 00:11:16,185 --> 00:11:19,725 next areas on their list was Wisconsin. 225 00:11:20,295 --> 00:11:25,575 And so we were, there's been a lot of people saying, okay, what do we do? 226 00:11:25,575 --> 00:11:25,875 Mm-hmm. 227 00:11:26,355 --> 00:11:31,845 If this BS crosses the border, what do we do to support our neighbors to 228 00:11:31,845 --> 00:11:33,465 make sure this doesn't affect them? 229 00:11:33,735 --> 00:11:37,635 Because, uh, we saw how it was beaten back there. 230 00:11:37,950 --> 00:11:38,040 Right. 231 00:11:38,310 --> 00:11:42,480 And it was by everyone banding together and saying, no, you're 232 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,100 not going to kidnap our neighbors. 233 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:44,190 Mm-hmm. 234 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:46,770 You're not going to destroy people's lives. 235 00:11:47,010 --> 00:11:52,050 We are going to fight you tooth and nail, and we're gonna do it in a way that it 236 00:11:52,050 --> 00:11:54,210 makes it obvious who the bad guys are. 237 00:11:55,125 --> 00:11:56,324 Ally: It was really remarkable. 238 00:11:56,324 --> 00:11:57,944 Makes obvious how they came together. 239 00:11:58,064 --> 00:12:02,115 It was beautiful and an example and taught, I think all of us so much 240 00:12:02,115 --> 00:12:05,025 about resistance in a peaceful way. 241 00:12:05,025 --> 00:12:06,135 I mean, they were peaceful. 242 00:12:06,555 --> 00:12:07,094 Um, think that 243 00:12:07,094 --> 00:12:08,775 Seth: was, I think that was the biggest thing. 244 00:12:08,834 --> 00:12:09,194 Like 245 00:12:09,194 --> 00:12:09,495 Ally: yeah, 246 00:12:09,854 --> 00:12:13,484 Seth: Trump went in there absolutely telling them, Hey, 247 00:12:13,515 --> 00:12:14,984 do whatever you gotta do. 248 00:12:15,104 --> 00:12:18,285 And then he may not have said it directly to them, but in the back 249 00:12:18,285 --> 00:12:21,464 of his mind he is like, I'm trying, I'm trying to institute martial law. 250 00:12:21,944 --> 00:12:22,155 Ally: Yeah, 251 00:12:22,185 --> 00:12:26,715 Seth: that's why he defended them after the first murder, the second murder, and 252 00:12:26,715 --> 00:12:31,605 it didn't matter, you know, he was looking to get Minnesota for an excuse, such a 253 00:12:31,605 --> 00:12:37,125 tizzy so that they responded violently to the violence and they should be given, 254 00:12:37,574 --> 00:12:43,574 um, so much credit for not giving in when they rightfully could or should have. 255 00:12:43,980 --> 00:12:47,970 Ally: I heard they were nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize and wow, I deserve it. 256 00:12:48,030 --> 00:12:52,050 I know it's kind of early to be thinking about that, but I mean, they definitely, 257 00:12:52,050 --> 00:12:53,430 I would love to see that happen. 258 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,840 Mike: There's nothing that unifies, especially people from 259 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,185 the Midwest, like when you start. 260 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,330 Doing things to our neighbors. 261 00:13:03,420 --> 00:13:03,840 Ally: Yeah. 262 00:13:04,110 --> 00:13:06,210 Mike: That we would find this despicable. 263 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,100 Ally: So, Mike, talk to me, talk to Seth and I about, um, you're running 264 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:13,620 for the sixth district in Wisconsin. 265 00:13:14,070 --> 00:13:15,330 What is the sixth district? 266 00:13:15,330 --> 00:13:17,730 What, what area does that make up? 267 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,500 Mike: So the sixth District is one of the bigger districts in Wisconsin. 268 00:13:22,590 --> 00:13:27,240 Uh, and I'm actually, I pull it up on a map all the time just 269 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,420 to look and see, Hey, is that. 270 00:13:31,245 --> 00:13:32,955 Is my understanding of it. 271 00:13:32,985 --> 00:13:34,035 Uh, perfect. 272 00:13:34,095 --> 00:13:36,165 Uh, as to how it's going. 273 00:13:36,585 --> 00:13:43,815 And it is basically, I'm the far southeast or southwest corner. 274 00:13:43,815 --> 00:13:43,845 Okay. 275 00:13:44,295 --> 00:13:46,545 It goes all the way to Lake Michigan. 276 00:13:47,325 --> 00:13:47,505 Okay. 277 00:13:47,655 --> 00:13:52,485 All the way north to, uh, two rivers and actually some other parts as well. 278 00:13:52,515 --> 00:13:52,875 Uh. 279 00:13:53,324 --> 00:13:58,725 I suppose two creeks would be the far northeast, uh, corner, and then it 280 00:13:58,725 --> 00:14:04,245 comes down around Lake Winnebago and then back up all the way to Plainfield 281 00:14:04,245 --> 00:14:06,345 in the upper left hand corner. 282 00:14:06,615 --> 00:14:08,625 So it's basically like a big square. 283 00:14:09,074 --> 00:14:09,194 Ally: Mm-hmm. 284 00:14:09,555 --> 00:14:14,625 Mike: That takes up, I'd say, I want to say about a fifth of the state. 285 00:14:15,405 --> 00:14:16,819 Uh, there's a, that's big. 286 00:14:17,115 --> 00:14:22,215 That's very, there's a really, I mean, it's 750,000 people and Okay. 287 00:14:22,215 --> 00:14:25,965 We don't, we don't have that many cities in it, so a lot 288 00:14:25,965 --> 00:14:27,615 of them are very spread out. 289 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,675 So it's rural and Oh, it's very rural. 290 00:14:30,675 --> 00:14:30,735 Yeah. 291 00:14:30,825 --> 00:14:36,075 Um, uh, Oshkosh is probably one of the bigger cities, fond Dulac, uh, Manitowoc 292 00:14:36,075 --> 00:14:41,925 and, and, uh, Sheboygan and, uh, port Washington and, uh, me one are in there. 293 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,850 Those are all not large cities. 294 00:14:45,850 --> 00:14:51,190 Those are all like kind of suburban areas and, uh, maybe, maybe Sheboygan 295 00:14:51,190 --> 00:14:56,595 and, and Oshkosh being among the bigger ones, but most of it's farm country. 296 00:14:57,435 --> 00:14:59,655 Uh, rural, rural areas. 297 00:14:59,745 --> 00:15:04,155 I've got a lot of places where, uh, Marquette in particular, 298 00:15:04,365 --> 00:15:05,175 we were just talking. 299 00:15:05,175 --> 00:15:09,075 It's much easier to call around because if you're driving, if you're 300 00:15:09,075 --> 00:15:12,105 canvassing door to door, you're basically in your car the whole time. 301 00:15:12,465 --> 00:15:12,945 Ally: I bet. 302 00:15:12,945 --> 00:15:13,215 Yeah. 303 00:15:13,215 --> 00:15:14,200 Because of the distance, so. 304 00:15:14,340 --> 00:15:14,760 Mm-hmm. 305 00:15:15,580 --> 00:15:15,800 Um. 306 00:15:16,860 --> 00:15:20,790 I mean, I think I have a good guess, but since Trump took office 307 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:25,380 the second time around, what are some of the biggest challenges that 308 00:15:25,380 --> 00:15:27,960 you are seeing in your district? 309 00:15:29,070 --> 00:15:36,060 Mike: Um, so we have a lot of farmers and the farm industry in Wisconsin. 310 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:40,770 It doesn't matter what you were raising, it doesn't matter what you were growing, 311 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:47,490 took a huge hit, um, with the tariffs, which now of course, it's like, how 312 00:15:47,490 --> 00:15:52,320 do you even go back and, and take back all that now that the Supreme 313 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,940 Court said, no, you can't do that. 314 00:15:54,305 --> 00:15:54,465 Mm-hmm. 315 00:15:54,645 --> 00:15:58,170 And it, it's, it's like, I'm not even sure how they're gonna 316 00:15:58,170 --> 00:16:00,450 go about refunding all of that. 317 00:16:00,510 --> 00:16:01,245 If they, if they even can. 318 00:16:01,980 --> 00:16:02,280 Seth: It's a 319 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:02,850 Mike: disaster. 320 00:16:02,850 --> 00:16:03,105 They even can, yeah. 321 00:16:03,704 --> 00:16:08,954 It's, it's genuinely going to mess up our trade. 322 00:16:09,525 --> 00:16:09,615 Mm-hmm. 323 00:16:09,855 --> 00:16:14,115 And, and some of those markets aren't ever coming back. 324 00:16:14,775 --> 00:16:18,225 Some of those markets are not ever coming back. 325 00:16:18,345 --> 00:16:21,765 Uh, especially the soybean market especially. 326 00:16:21,765 --> 00:16:22,005 Oh, they've been 327 00:16:22,005 --> 00:16:22,515 Ally: decimated. 328 00:16:22,635 --> 00:16:23,084 Yeah. 329 00:16:23,505 --> 00:16:27,194 Mike: I mean, there are farmers who literally cannot farm or 330 00:16:27,735 --> 00:16:29,084 it's not profitable for them. 331 00:16:29,505 --> 00:16:29,985 Right. 332 00:16:29,985 --> 00:16:30,314 And. 333 00:16:30,824 --> 00:16:32,145 That's just the farmers. 334 00:16:32,895 --> 00:16:39,435 Uh, you look at literally anyone in our area and there's no one here 335 00:16:39,435 --> 00:16:40,814 who's like, yeah, this was great. 336 00:16:41,204 --> 00:16:42,435 I mean, yeah. 337 00:16:43,725 --> 00:16:44,295 Tourism. 338 00:16:45,135 --> 00:16:48,405 Tourism is a big part of our area. 339 00:16:48,615 --> 00:16:50,325 Um, we have Wisconsin Dells. 340 00:16:50,325 --> 00:16:53,715 It actually like, kind of points over and, and literally just the 341 00:16:53,715 --> 00:16:55,905 city of the Dells is in my district. 342 00:16:56,115 --> 00:16:59,145 Um, we've got all these national parks. 343 00:16:59,385 --> 00:17:02,295 Do you know who our number one visitor was to those national 344 00:17:02,295 --> 00:17:04,305 parks besides people from Illinois? 345 00:17:04,694 --> 00:17:05,474 Ally: Canadians. 346 00:17:05,895 --> 00:17:06,734 Mike: Canadians? 347 00:17:06,855 --> 00:17:06,915 Yeah. 348 00:17:07,095 --> 00:17:11,895 They were a good, they were a good third of our tourists. 349 00:17:13,195 --> 00:17:14,610 Do you see any coming? 350 00:17:14,850 --> 00:17:16,855 Why would, would they? 351 00:17:17,430 --> 00:17:21,180 Seth: You know, it's funny because we were talking about how the snowbirds 352 00:17:21,180 --> 00:17:26,010 are not coming to Florida and people miss out on the fact that they're not 353 00:17:26,010 --> 00:17:28,530 supporting a lot of our border states. 354 00:17:29,070 --> 00:17:32,670 And that, of course, that goes into tourism, you know, and that 355 00:17:32,670 --> 00:17:34,530 is, and that is a damn shame. 356 00:17:35,129 --> 00:17:35,909 That's a damn shame. 357 00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:39,750 It is all, it's all the unintended consequences that people don't 358 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:42,480 necessarily know are gonna happen. 359 00:17:42,990 --> 00:17:47,129 When you're in the moment and you're like, yeah, tariffs. 360 00:17:47,220 --> 00:17:51,270 Bring back the jobs, bring back the, you know, better trade deals. 361 00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:52,470 Look at our deficit. 362 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,659 Well, it turns out our deficit was made worse by the tariff war also, so, yeah. 363 00:17:59,055 --> 00:18:05,145 Mike: Do you know how scary our situation as a country economically? 364 00:18:05,820 --> 00:18:06,240 Right now. 365 00:18:06,750 --> 00:18:06,870 Oh yeah. 366 00:18:07,295 --> 00:18:09,215 'cause the, 'cause the rest of world, we talk about it every day. 367 00:18:09,235 --> 00:18:09,535 The world. 368 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:15,030 'cause the rest of the world is going, oh, if the United States isn't going to 369 00:18:15,030 --> 00:18:22,110 be the world leader in terms of securing everyone's ability to trade, then we're 370 00:18:22,110 --> 00:18:24,090 gonna have to find other people to do it. 371 00:18:24,570 --> 00:18:25,050 Exactly. 372 00:18:25,050 --> 00:18:26,310 Right now, Canada. 373 00:18:26,875 --> 00:18:31,075 Is being led by a person who's widely considered one of the best 374 00:18:31,075 --> 00:18:33,145 economic economists in the world. 375 00:18:33,625 --> 00:18:33,775 Mm-hmm. 376 00:18:34,015 --> 00:18:39,385 And he, um, is basically brokering deals between Europe 377 00:18:39,655 --> 00:18:41,725 and China and all the other Yeah. 378 00:18:41,995 --> 00:18:43,315 Uh, Pacific. 379 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,880 Trading partners that were previously our trading partners. 380 00:18:46,940 --> 00:18:47,180 Mm-hmm. 381 00:18:47,420 --> 00:18:51,140 And they're basically saying, look, if the US isn't gonna take part in 382 00:18:51,140 --> 00:18:54,800 the world economy in a rules-based economy, I believe is how he called it. 383 00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:55,310 Yeah. 384 00:18:55,310 --> 00:19:02,990 Then we have to, and so they're trying to arrange it so people can transit 385 00:19:03,230 --> 00:19:08,300 their goods through what previously was the United States' ports and 386 00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:11,150 the United States' currency and. 387 00:19:11,804 --> 00:19:14,054 That's the underpinning of our entire economy. 388 00:19:14,415 --> 00:19:15,044 Ally: Absolutely. 389 00:19:15,629 --> 00:19:19,139 Mike: And I don't think Trump realized any of that or cared. 390 00:19:19,139 --> 00:19:19,710 He probably just, 391 00:19:19,710 --> 00:19:20,879 Ally: I don't think he cares. 392 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:21,240 Yeah. 393 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,280 He didn't, he didn't think about the consequences or 394 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,570 care about the consequences. 395 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:25,020 Seth: Yeah. 396 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:25,470 Mike: Why would he? 397 00:19:25,650 --> 00:19:26,250 Seth: Uh, yeah. 398 00:19:26,550 --> 00:19:29,490 Let, let ask some, um, Mike, 'cause you're a, you're a union guy. 399 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:30,750 You're a union guy. 400 00:19:30,750 --> 00:19:30,870 I am. 401 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,230 And a lot of, a lot of union people, they stick by their guns. 402 00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:38,820 They vote Republican, uh, no matter what, for whatever reason that, 403 00:19:38,820 --> 00:19:42,210 that seems to be, uh, a problem. 404 00:19:42,210 --> 00:19:44,610 A, a place where Democrats miss a whole lot. 405 00:19:44,610 --> 00:19:48,449 Can do you, why do you think that Democrats in the, in the 406 00:19:48,449 --> 00:19:50,610 unions don't seem to jive? 407 00:19:50,610 --> 00:19:53,760 And, and what are, what are the, what, maybe two or three issues that 408 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,560 are the most important to, uh, people that you talk to in your unions? 409 00:19:59,340 --> 00:20:00,570 Mike: You named one of them? 410 00:20:00,750 --> 00:20:04,590 Uh, I'll tell you right now, guns are a big one because a lot of people 411 00:20:04,590 --> 00:20:06,989 who work in unions also own firearms. 412 00:20:06,989 --> 00:20:07,919 I own firearms. 413 00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:08,010 Mm-hmm. 414 00:20:08,370 --> 00:20:13,379 Like we have, we have a culture of hunting, a culture of 415 00:20:13,439 --> 00:20:14,760 going to the range up here. 416 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:14,820 Yeah. 417 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,139 Like, it's not, it's not. 418 00:20:17,905 --> 00:20:20,695 Like that was never a thing that was known. 419 00:20:21,235 --> 00:20:28,135 I, I think that it, it's been a years long process of basically telling 420 00:20:28,195 --> 00:20:35,035 union members, Hey, we recognize we're gonna, you know, basically hurt 421 00:20:35,035 --> 00:20:36,835 you economically every chance we. 422 00:20:38,385 --> 00:20:43,095 But all this other stuff's more important, so let's focus on how we 423 00:20:43,095 --> 00:20:45,045 can, you know, hate this group, right? 424 00:20:45,105 --> 00:20:49,215 Or how we can say, we're going to support you on this thing, but actually not. 425 00:20:49,905 --> 00:20:49,995 Mm-hmm. 426 00:20:50,235 --> 00:20:52,065 And they've been doing this for years. 427 00:20:52,545 --> 00:20:57,075 They've been telling, I, I've had arguments with people in my union 428 00:20:57,075 --> 00:21:00,315 where they said, you know, how can you support that horrible president 429 00:21:00,315 --> 00:21:01,545 who's gonna take your guns away? 430 00:21:02,265 --> 00:21:03,855 And then just recently I was like. 431 00:21:05,295 --> 00:21:08,385 You know, I never heard a Democratic president say, you can't 432 00:21:08,385 --> 00:21:11,325 bring a gun to a public thing. 433 00:21:11,595 --> 00:21:12,225 Never once. 434 00:21:12,225 --> 00:21:12,830 No, never. 435 00:21:12,835 --> 00:21:14,925 But I heard Trump say it last Tuesday. 436 00:21:15,284 --> 00:21:15,585 Mm-hmm. 437 00:21:15,825 --> 00:21:20,985 I, I, I've never heard a, uh, you know, any public official who was 438 00:21:20,985 --> 00:21:26,024 a Democrat say that they were going to arrest you for having a firearm 439 00:21:26,175 --> 00:21:28,155 that you were legally allowed to own. 440 00:21:28,395 --> 00:21:32,085 But I heard multiple members of his cabinet say it the other day. 441 00:21:32,415 --> 00:21:32,985 Ally: Mm-hmm. 442 00:21:33,389 --> 00:21:38,970 Mike: I, I, I know we get the idea that Democrats are the, you know, 443 00:21:38,970 --> 00:21:41,490 people who are against two A. 444 00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:42,899 Ally: Coming for your guns. 445 00:21:43,050 --> 00:21:44,490 Mike: Coming for your guns, right. 446 00:21:44,850 --> 00:21:45,274 Never happened. 447 00:21:45,274 --> 00:21:47,370 It was never, it was never about that. 448 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:47,879 Ally: No. 449 00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:53,340 Mike: And, and I just think that a lot of union members are starting to 450 00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:58,919 realize that they've been getting kicked in the teeth economically for years. 451 00:21:59,850 --> 00:22:04,500 Because of promises that they weren't actually even getting 452 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:05,160 Ally: Yeah. 453 00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:08,730 Mike: Things that they were told, oh, we'll never do that. 454 00:22:08,850 --> 00:22:10,230 We're gonna make governments small. 455 00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:11,970 We're gonna lower your taxes. 456 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:12,420 Ally: Right. 457 00:22:12,510 --> 00:22:14,700 Mike: Taxes are, taxes are a huge one. 458 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:15,660 Yeah. 459 00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:22,260 And this last, this last bit I had to ask people, so what's a tariff? 460 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:26,490 A tariff's a sales tax on you? 461 00:22:27,150 --> 00:22:28,470 On the purchaser. 462 00:22:29,175 --> 00:22:34,095 On the person who's finally going to purchase the thing because it's 463 00:22:34,095 --> 00:22:36,045 charged to the person who's selling it. 464 00:22:36,375 --> 00:22:39,315 Do you think they don't pass those costs on to the customers? 465 00:22:39,525 --> 00:22:39,885 Ally: Right. 466 00:22:40,545 --> 00:22:44,475 Mike: I think they determine in the final, like, and this was a 467 00:22:44,475 --> 00:22:50,055 relatively uh, conservative think tank, 94% of the tariffs costs 468 00:22:50,205 --> 00:22:52,095 were passed on to the consumers. 469 00:22:52,605 --> 00:22:52,754 Ally: Yeah, 470 00:22:53,955 --> 00:22:56,895 Mike: and, and, and keep in mind, we haven't even seen all 471 00:22:56,895 --> 00:22:58,125 of the tariffs come through. 472 00:22:58,245 --> 00:23:03,855 A lot of the stuff that happened before was because of old inventory 473 00:23:03,855 --> 00:23:07,365 that they had that they could still sell at a reasonable rate. 474 00:23:07,575 --> 00:23:13,425 So they've been slowly building that up, so hoping that people won't notice, Hey, 475 00:23:13,425 --> 00:23:16,155 it costs thousands more to do this now. 476 00:23:16,544 --> 00:23:21,945 You can't get, uh, an automobile just about anywhere for the near the same price 477 00:23:22,125 --> 00:23:25,215 because everything's going up in price. 478 00:23:25,544 --> 00:23:25,784 Ally: Yeah, 479 00:23:27,090 --> 00:23:34,425 Mike: I, I know, I know, uh, in particular how he treated Canada and Mexico. 480 00:23:35,055 --> 00:23:39,675 I mean, I don't think people realize in the last, um, last trade agreement, 481 00:23:40,605 --> 00:23:45,375 we're a very cross border kind of, um, automotive industry now. 482 00:23:45,555 --> 00:23:45,765 Ally: Mm-hmm. 483 00:23:46,005 --> 00:23:49,905 Mike: Not just, not just plants down there, but parts. 484 00:23:49,910 --> 00:23:50,110 Ally: Yes. 485 00:23:50,410 --> 00:23:54,915 Mike: So like, let's say the, the factories in Michigan. 486 00:23:55,710 --> 00:23:58,680 But the parts might, the aluminum might come from Canada. 487 00:23:59,250 --> 00:23:59,340 Mm-hmm. 488 00:23:59,580 --> 00:24:01,590 Uh, this part might come from Mexico. 489 00:24:01,860 --> 00:24:09,390 We had a very active border of the automotive industry going back and forth, 490 00:24:09,930 --> 00:24:15,270 and as soon as those tariffs went into place, you can't have a a 50% increase 491 00:24:15,270 --> 00:24:20,160 on anything and expect it not to vastly increase the final products price. 492 00:24:20,190 --> 00:24:20,280 Yep. 493 00:24:21,270 --> 00:24:28,020 So we're, we're getting squeezed any number of ways now in, in places that 494 00:24:28,020 --> 00:24:31,590 union folks, actually it will matter. 495 00:24:32,010 --> 00:24:32,130 Ally: Mm-hmm. 496 00:24:33,150 --> 00:24:39,570 Mike: But the one that doesn't, that I don't think people realize is so, 497 00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:43,590 um, you've all seen what he's done to the National Labor Relations Board. 498 00:24:43,620 --> 00:24:44,010 Ally: Mm-hmm. 499 00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:49,110 Mike: He's basically packed it with people who don't look at unions, which just. 500 00:24:49,815 --> 00:24:51,885 It makes me shake my head. 501 00:24:52,875 --> 00:24:56,895 He is back to the people who don't look at unions as worthwhile things to have. 502 00:24:57,105 --> 00:24:57,705 Ally: Exactly. 503 00:24:57,705 --> 00:24:57,885 He 504 00:24:57,885 --> 00:24:58,215 Mike: wanted, 505 00:24:58,635 --> 00:25:00,405 Ally: he's always been anti-union. 506 00:25:00,675 --> 00:25:01,185 Mike: Always, always. 507 00:25:01,575 --> 00:25:02,085 Ally: Right, right. 508 00:25:02,085 --> 00:25:03,225 To work in his private career. 509 00:25:03,225 --> 00:25:04,425 In his personal career. 510 00:25:05,175 --> 00:25:05,505 Yeah. 511 00:25:06,315 --> 00:25:09,015 Mike: And, and so he basically. 512 00:25:09,765 --> 00:25:14,895 I mean, if you are right now going to negotiate a contract or you are thinking 513 00:25:14,895 --> 00:25:20,715 about doing a strike because you are, you, your, uh, your company that you're 514 00:25:20,715 --> 00:25:26,985 working for is not obeying the safety rules or, or something, something's 515 00:25:26,985 --> 00:25:30,915 going on where you think there's gonna be a conflict, would you trust that that 516 00:25:30,915 --> 00:25:34,790 national, uh, that labor relations board is actually going to have your back? 517 00:25:35,790 --> 00:25:41,010 Would you trust that this president is gonna just not say no, you can't strike? 518 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,150 And, and this is the thing that I think a lot of union 519 00:25:48,150 --> 00:25:49,980 members are starting to wake up. 520 00:25:50,295 --> 00:25:55,065 Ally: So do you feel if you, if you become, if you win the primary 521 00:25:55,065 --> 00:25:59,325 and you are elected into Congress representing your district, do you 522 00:25:59,325 --> 00:26:05,655 feel that that's kind of where your mindset is as you enter your term? 523 00:26:05,655 --> 00:26:10,485 Would you be thinking about, you know, your neighbors, the working class, 524 00:26:10,785 --> 00:26:15,345 your, your fellow union members, and that's kind of informing the 525 00:26:15,345 --> 00:26:15,465 Mike: only 526 00:26:15,465 --> 00:26:15,585 Ally: what's 527 00:26:15,585 --> 00:26:16,155 Mike: important 528 00:26:16,155 --> 00:26:16,695 Ally: to you? 529 00:26:16,785 --> 00:26:17,235 Yeah. 530 00:26:17,535 --> 00:26:19,380 Mike: The only reason I'm doing this. 531 00:26:20,189 --> 00:26:27,810 Is because I want to see people who aren't in the top 1% mm-hmm. 532 00:26:28,050 --> 00:26:29,970 Actually be able to continue to live. 533 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:30,870 Yeah. 534 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,810 I, I, I mean there's no one on this app or, or any of these online apps 535 00:26:37,020 --> 00:26:41,955 other than Elon Musk, maybe who, who is in a position where Donald 536 00:26:41,955 --> 00:26:46,050 Trump and by extension the con, the Republican and Congress and Senate. 537 00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:49,050 Benefit by the rules they put into place. 538 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:49,620 Seth: Mm-hmm. 539 00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:51,510 Mike: We, we do not have any benefits. 540 00:26:52,020 --> 00:26:57,300 I, I told people I didn't, I didn't say I wanna run for Congress because 541 00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:58,560 I want to be a Congress person. 542 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,320 I wanna run for Congress, almost outta self-defense. 543 00:27:01,740 --> 00:27:07,440 Because what they're doing is going to squeeze everybody day 544 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:13,470 by day, neighbor by neighbor, so that they cannot afford to live. 545 00:27:14,295 --> 00:27:17,535 And, and that's gonna have effects up and down the board. 546 00:27:17,835 --> 00:27:22,755 And I can't just keep watching this and going, ah, someone else will fix it. 547 00:27:23,025 --> 00:27:23,865 No, they won't. 548 00:27:24,225 --> 00:27:25,005 It's on us. 549 00:27:25,995 --> 00:27:26,265 It's on 550 00:27:26,265 --> 00:27:26,355 Ally: us. 551 00:27:26,355 --> 00:27:28,635 Yeah, I completely agree. 552 00:27:29,025 --> 00:27:31,125 So, okay, Seth. 553 00:27:31,275 --> 00:27:33,165 Well, Seth, do you have any questions before I move on? 554 00:27:33,255 --> 00:27:33,975 Seth: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 555 00:27:33,975 --> 00:27:40,185 Because, uh, so in the presidential election, um, Wisconsin was actually 556 00:27:40,425 --> 00:27:43,305 the smallest margin of victory four. 557 00:27:43,935 --> 00:27:44,655 Donald Trump. 558 00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:46,575 I know. 559 00:27:46,575 --> 00:27:50,565 So, you know, and I mean that's, I think that might surprise some people 560 00:27:50,625 --> 00:27:54,555 because people look at Nevada and they thought Nevada was gonna be a 561 00:27:54,555 --> 00:27:56,085 lot more blue than it ended up being. 562 00:27:56,355 --> 00:28:00,645 But it's actually, Wisconsin has the shortest amount of ground to makeup. 563 00:28:00,645 --> 00:28:05,295 So my question to you is, what do you think will push, what 564 00:28:05,295 --> 00:28:07,935 can push you guys over the edge? 565 00:28:08,505 --> 00:28:12,165 Uh, in, just in the midterms and really in general, uh, 566 00:28:12,165 --> 00:28:13,150 when it comes to Wisconsinites. 567 00:28:14,115 --> 00:28:15,314 Mike: I think we're there. 568 00:28:15,824 --> 00:28:17,354 I, I think people. 569 00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:20,310 I, I'm always shocked. 570 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,560 Yes, there are some people, maybe 30% of the country is always going to be 571 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,700 very much pro uh, conservative mindset. 572 00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:31,110 Very much pro Donald Trump. 573 00:28:31,530 --> 00:28:34,710 There's a decent chunk of people who are like that. 574 00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:36,570 What I was shocked by. 575 00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:41,939 Is the number of people who are coming out, not just Democrats, independents, 576 00:28:42,030 --> 00:28:45,659 and even very hardcore Republicans, people who have been Republican, but 577 00:28:45,659 --> 00:28:51,330 since before I was born coming out and saying, this is, this isn't our country. 578 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,979 This isn't what we voted for. 579 00:28:53,250 --> 00:28:53,429 Ally: Yeah. 580 00:28:53,459 --> 00:28:57,300 Mike: And I know that's, I know a lot of people on my side are like, 581 00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:59,010 well, yes it is what you voted for. 582 00:28:59,370 --> 00:28:59,459 Ally: Mm-hmm. 583 00:28:59,909 --> 00:29:01,020 Mike: But not to them it wasn't. 584 00:29:01,469 --> 00:29:01,830 Ally: Right. 585 00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:04,409 Mike: And and I am absolute such a, such a disconnect. 586 00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:04,985 Ally: It's crazy. 587 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,100 Mike: Well, and, and we were talking about this earlier, 588 00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:10,380 not everyone's that political. 589 00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:10,950 Ally: Yeah. 590 00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:11,880 Mike: Not everyone. 591 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,090 Yeah. 592 00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:13,140 In fact, that's a great 593 00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:13,470 Ally: point. 594 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,430 Mike: The, the majority of people are not that political. 595 00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:20,550 For the majority of people, politics is something they don't 596 00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:23,550 want, nothing to do with, they don't really want to know about it. 597 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,310 It, it's been given this impression of that's where bad people go or 598 00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:31,920 that's where people who want power go. 599 00:29:32,610 --> 00:29:36,150 I had someone who actually have to answer on TikTok in just a little bit. 600 00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:41,190 I I just remembered that, um, he asked, you know, who's paying for your campaign? 601 00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:41,850 Ally: Yes. 602 00:29:42,420 --> 00:29:43,530 Mike: And the response that's of my 603 00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:44,070 Ally: questions too. 604 00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:47,550 Mike: I'm, the response I'm about to give him is You are. 605 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,180 Mm-hmm. 606 00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:52,410 Because if you don't pay for it, I'm not taking corporate PAC money. 607 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,910 I'm not taking. 608 00:29:54,675 --> 00:29:59,745 Money from, uh, special interest pacs that are basically just 609 00:29:59,745 --> 00:30:04,095 there to get me to do something my constituents won't want me to do. 610 00:30:04,875 --> 00:30:10,185 If, if a union wanted to give me money, sure, I'm already supporting unions. 611 00:30:10,185 --> 00:30:12,375 You know that, like, that's not a surprise. 612 00:30:13,055 --> 00:30:17,284 Um, if an organization that was trying to organize for Universal 613 00:30:17,284 --> 00:30:21,185 Healthcare wanted to give me money, I wouldn't just take their money. 614 00:30:21,185 --> 00:30:22,895 I'd say, Hey, guess what? 615 00:30:22,895 --> 00:30:27,034 This organization gave me a ton of money for Universal Healthcare because 616 00:30:27,034 --> 00:30:28,445 it's something I'm already doing. 617 00:30:29,075 --> 00:30:32,435 That's, that's the kind of thing where it's like, yeah, 618 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,325 I, I wanna do those things. 619 00:30:34,695 --> 00:30:36,765 I want to achieve those things. 620 00:30:36,975 --> 00:30:40,455 And if you are telling me that the thing you are trying to get me to 621 00:30:40,455 --> 00:30:46,155 do is something I'm already doing well yeah, I, I want to help do 622 00:30:46,155 --> 00:30:48,285 better for my constituents, but it's 623 00:30:48,285 --> 00:30:48,465 Ally: my cons. 624 00:30:48,465 --> 00:30:49,875 So no corporate PAC money? 625 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,030 Mike: No. 626 00:30:50,295 --> 00:30:51,795 Ally: No APAC money. 627 00:30:51,795 --> 00:30:52,995 No dark money. 628 00:30:52,995 --> 00:30:53,415 Right? 629 00:30:53,415 --> 00:30:54,165 This is the thing. 630 00:30:54,165 --> 00:30:54,255 What 631 00:30:54,255 --> 00:30:54,390 Mike: would be the. 632 00:30:55,064 --> 00:30:58,034 Ally: I, I, this is what I keep trying to drive home, right? 633 00:30:58,034 --> 00:31:02,625 And this is why we're doing these segments and, and platforming candidates 634 00:31:02,625 --> 00:31:09,195 that we believe in, because it is not going to be enough just to flip the 635 00:31:09,195 --> 00:31:11,355 house and potentially flip the Senate. 636 00:31:11,835 --> 00:31:17,835 We have to make sure we are putting the right people into those positions. 637 00:31:17,925 --> 00:31:22,215 Otherwise, we will never, ever claw our way out of this. 638 00:31:22,890 --> 00:31:23,280 Mike: And 639 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,140 Seth: you've seen, not every Democrat is your friend. 640 00:31:25,530 --> 00:31:25,800 Ally: No. 641 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,590 Seth: Not every Democrat is for the people. 642 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,070 Ally: No. 643 00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:29,130 So 644 00:31:29,130 --> 00:31:34,860 Mike: there's been an example in almost every generation, my generation, it was 645 00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:40,545 probably, uh, Manchin and Sine, and I'm, I'm not even sure I say, and now, now 646 00:31:40,590 --> 00:31:41,250 Ally: Federman 647 00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:42,900 Mike: and now Federman. 648 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:42,990 Right. 649 00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:49,995 I, I. I really don't wanna be like super cruel to him because I'm relatively sure 650 00:31:49,995 --> 00:31:52,635 know his flip was actual brain damage. 651 00:31:52,875 --> 00:31:52,935 It 652 00:31:52,935 --> 00:31:53,475 Mike: could be. 653 00:31:53,475 --> 00:31:53,595 I mean 654 00:31:53,655 --> 00:31:54,105 Ally: yeah, 655 00:31:54,615 --> 00:31:56,145 Mike: that's, that's actually, 656 00:31:56,150 --> 00:31:58,305 Ally: but that, but that in itself is an issue, right? 657 00:31:58,390 --> 00:31:58,510 Absolutely. 658 00:31:58,510 --> 00:32:01,065 If you absolutely suffer that kind of injury Absolutely. 659 00:32:01,335 --> 00:32:07,515 While you serving constituents, you, you should re, we should really reconsider. 660 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:09,659 How do you feel about term limits? 661 00:32:09,659 --> 00:32:10,709 How do you feel about 662 00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:11,100 Mike: Oh, 663 00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:11,459 Ally: I mean, 664 00:32:11,705 --> 00:32:12,360 Mike: absolutely I do. 665 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:12,659 Yeah. 666 00:32:12,659 --> 00:32:15,990 I, I do not want to do this for the rest of my life, right? 667 00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:20,909 I, I, if I'm still in this at 80 years old, we are not doing a good enough 668 00:32:20,909 --> 00:32:23,399 job building the future of our party. 669 00:32:23,790 --> 00:32:27,629 If I'm still doing this at 80 years old, then we're not doing a good enough 670 00:32:27,629 --> 00:32:29,639 job mentoring the next generation. 671 00:32:30,050 --> 00:32:34,160 I'm, I'm right now talking to people who are coming outta high school, going 672 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,270 into college, and I'm looking at them and going, Hey, in a few years you 673 00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:41,780 should think about running for office because I love You've got the chops. 674 00:32:41,780 --> 00:32:41,840 Yeah. 675 00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:47,030 And that is the kind of thing we should be passing on is a tradition of service, 676 00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:52,190 a tradition of people who want to make the world a better place and saying, okay, 677 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:54,710 if I'm gonna do that, how do I do that? 678 00:32:55,155 --> 00:32:55,335 And 679 00:32:55,335 --> 00:32:55,935 Mike: for the right 680 00:32:55,935 --> 00:32:56,685 Ally: reasons. 681 00:32:57,135 --> 00:32:57,945 Mike: Exactly. 682 00:32:58,275 --> 00:32:58,995 Yeah, exactly. 683 00:32:58,995 --> 00:32:59,775 You can't just. 684 00:33:00,105 --> 00:33:04,635 I, I don't want to get into office just to get into office. 685 00:33:04,875 --> 00:33:04,965 Mm-hmm. 686 00:33:05,205 --> 00:33:08,715 That I, I don't, I was very happy working my union job. 687 00:33:08,865 --> 00:33:13,245 I would've been happy to do that until retirement retire and go fishing. 688 00:33:13,785 --> 00:33:18,015 Like, I, I don't, I don't need, I didn't need all the aggravation of running for 689 00:33:18,015 --> 00:33:19,245 Ally: congress, especially these days. 690 00:33:19,245 --> 00:33:25,605 Getting into politics in 2026 is not like getting into politics when we were kids. 691 00:33:25,605 --> 00:33:25,995 Right. 692 00:33:26,385 --> 00:33:29,025 This is, this is so, um. 693 00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:34,659 The discourse is, so, it's extremely toxic at times. 694 00:33:34,659 --> 00:33:36,220 It's very divisive. 695 00:33:36,639 --> 00:33:42,970 Um, so I think you have to have, I think you're either one of two things. 696 00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:47,409 You're either looking at this as an opportunity, not you, but in general, 697 00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:50,740 people are looking at this as an opportunity to enrich themselves. 698 00:33:51,645 --> 00:33:54,315 And grab onto power for the wrong reasons. 699 00:33:54,645 --> 00:34:01,425 Or you're willing to actually be a public servant, which requires sacrifice, right? 700 00:34:01,425 --> 00:34:01,695 Absolutely. 701 00:34:01,695 --> 00:34:07,155 And stewardship and doing something to make this country closer to 702 00:34:07,155 --> 00:34:09,255 what we all believe it should be. 703 00:34:10,034 --> 00:34:15,225 Mike: It it means that you are willing to basically sacrifice 704 00:34:15,615 --> 00:34:17,415 actual years of your life. 705 00:34:17,475 --> 00:34:20,114 To, to go out and do this. 706 00:34:20,174 --> 00:34:26,025 I, this is every moment of every day that I have spare, and it's gonna be that 707 00:34:26,025 --> 00:34:28,005 way probably as long as I'm doing it. 708 00:34:28,995 --> 00:34:34,065 And if it weren't for the fact that I don't see a way that our country can go 709 00:34:34,065 --> 00:34:40,214 forward unless we keep changing the, we need structural changes in this country. 710 00:34:40,635 --> 00:34:45,645 There, there is not a way that someone my kids' age can say, I'm 711 00:34:46,125 --> 00:34:49,875 thinking I'm going to take part in the American Dream and own a home 712 00:34:50,085 --> 00:34:52,215 and go to college and get a good job. 713 00:34:52,275 --> 00:34:53,985 Like they don't believe that's gonna happen. 714 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:55,380 Ally: Why would they, 715 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:56,300 Mike: why would they? 716 00:34:56,865 --> 00:35:01,335 Because it's out of reach for the majority of people in America. 717 00:35:01,635 --> 00:35:03,555 It's not even close to in reach. 718 00:35:03,855 --> 00:35:03,975 Ally: Yeah, 719 00:35:04,035 --> 00:35:08,595 Mike: and, and I'm talking people who are making good money, but. 720 00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:14,130 The housing market is so far out of reach, most of them can't even dream that. 721 00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:15,030 Ally: I think I 722 00:35:15,035 --> 00:35:16,200 Mike: just turned just the rental market. 723 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,070 Ally: It's great. 724 00:35:17,070 --> 00:35:23,520 All of it is is so, um, is so insanely priced. 725 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,110 And I think I heard just recently there was a statistic that. 726 00:35:28,635 --> 00:35:32,355 First time home buyers are now averaged age 50. 727 00:35:32,985 --> 00:35:36,105 I mean, you're not even, you know, what are the chances you're even going to pay 728 00:35:36,105 --> 00:35:40,395 that home off and enjoy a mortgage free? 729 00:35:40,575 --> 00:35:43,095 We never really own our homes 'cause we have property taxes. 730 00:35:43,095 --> 00:35:45,495 So that's just my little, my little rant. 731 00:35:45,855 --> 00:35:50,595 Um, but you know, just not having a mortgage or a rent payment, if that's 732 00:35:50,595 --> 00:35:55,065 the age of, you're just gaining access to that dream, to that possibility. 733 00:35:55,335 --> 00:35:56,360 We clearly have gone. 734 00:35:57,150 --> 00:35:59,279 So far in the wrong direction. 735 00:35:59,850 --> 00:36:04,259 Mike: I, I have to ask, why, why do you guys, just, both of you, why do you 736 00:36:04,259 --> 00:36:06,240 think your property taxes are so high? 737 00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:07,290 Ally: Hmm. 738 00:36:08,279 --> 00:36:11,640 Mike: I mean, I mean, legitimately, why, why do you think your property 739 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,200 taxes are as high as they are? 740 00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:16,020 There's a definite reason, there's a, there a call. 741 00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:16,170 I'm 742 00:36:16,170 --> 00:36:19,590 Seth: gonna go, I'm gonna go mismanagement at the local level, 743 00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:24,690 Mike: misappropriation of funds, but specifically. 744 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,180 They basically took a lot of the funds that used to fund schools 745 00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:30,780 Ally: Yeah. 746 00:36:30,810 --> 00:36:34,650 Mike: Would come from federal programs or would come from the 747 00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:37,650 state through income taxes directly. 748 00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:37,740 Mm-hmm. 749 00:36:38,250 --> 00:36:38,700 Right. 750 00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:44,010 So you, you'd have people who are paying more in income taxes at the very 751 00:36:44,010 --> 00:36:47,100 top that would directly fund schools. 752 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:47,760 Ally: Yes. 753 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,600 Mike: In 1994, they froze the funding formula for schools in 1994. 754 00:36:55,005 --> 00:36:55,515 Right. 755 00:36:56,295 --> 00:37:00,315 So imagine that base price. 756 00:37:00,555 --> 00:37:00,675 Ally: Mm-hmm. 757 00:37:02,235 --> 00:37:06,884 Mike: And every increase thereafter has had to been raised out of property 758 00:37:06,884 --> 00:37:12,345 taxes with school referendum, after school referendum, because guess what? 759 00:37:12,375 --> 00:37:15,345 It doesn't cost as much as it did in 1994. 760 00:37:15,884 --> 00:37:17,835 We're 30 years some years later. 761 00:37:18,255 --> 00:37:18,375 Ally: Yeah. 762 00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:19,560 Yeah. 763 00:37:20,265 --> 00:37:23,475 Mike: So it's, it's basically they just transferred. 764 00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:28,020 From the rich who were paying that, the lion's share of that, 765 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:30,810 as you know, they generally did. 766 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,160 Now it's being transferred to what's left, to the middle class. 767 00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:36,360 Wow. 768 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,670 And our property taxes have almost doubled in the 15 some years I've been here. 769 00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:42,420 Ally: Insane. 770 00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:47,490 Seth: And really quick, you know, uh, you talk about unrealized gains. 771 00:37:48,030 --> 00:37:48,180 Ally: Yeah. 772 00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:52,320 Seth: What are unrealized gains, if not your property taxes going up? 773 00:37:52,845 --> 00:37:53,775 Every year. 774 00:37:54,045 --> 00:37:58,365 And yet these people wanna rail against unrealized gains for 775 00:37:58,365 --> 00:38:00,165 billionaires in the stock market. 776 00:38:00,225 --> 00:38:07,095 So, once again, the rich have found a way to distract away and to give themselves 777 00:38:07,155 --> 00:38:08,955 even more money that they don't even need. 778 00:38:10,275 --> 00:38:13,905 Mike: I, uh, we were talking about, uh, all the people who are doing 779 00:38:13,905 --> 00:38:18,525 their taxes right now and are like, well, where's my, where's, where's 780 00:38:18,525 --> 00:38:20,535 my tax refund for my overtime? 781 00:38:22,515 --> 00:38:23,955 I work a lot of overtime. 782 00:38:24,884 --> 00:38:26,384 Yeah, it me too. 783 00:38:26,955 --> 00:38:28,484 I think it was next to nothing. 784 00:38:29,145 --> 00:38:29,205 Yeah. 785 00:38:29,209 --> 00:38:32,865 I think I got like, it's, I think I got like maybe a hundred bucks. 786 00:38:33,794 --> 00:38:34,245 Ally: Lemme tell you much. 787 00:38:34,245 --> 00:38:40,455 He, he really bamboozled people on the idea that, and now they're 788 00:38:40,455 --> 00:38:42,285 finding out what it actually is. 789 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:48,254 Mike: It, it it, if you are going to rely on the word of the Republican party. 790 00:38:48,765 --> 00:38:52,605 The people who voted in Donald Trump, the people who voted in, 791 00:38:52,605 --> 00:38:56,295 people like Glenn Grothman, who's one of his biggest cheerleaders, 792 00:38:56,985 --> 00:38:58,875 then you are going to be scammed. 793 00:38:59,355 --> 00:38:59,475 Ally: Yeah. 794 00:38:59,505 --> 00:39:01,875 Mike: And that isn't me telling you that. 795 00:39:01,935 --> 00:39:04,275 That's their actions telling you that. 796 00:39:04,275 --> 00:39:04,285 Mm-hmm. 797 00:39:04,635 --> 00:39:07,245 That's their repeated actions telling you that. 798 00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:08,625 Ally: Absolutely. 799 00:39:08,925 --> 00:39:12,795 So we're almost out of time, but I want to, um, so you're 800 00:39:12,795 --> 00:39:15,015 running for the Democrat seat? 801 00:39:15,375 --> 00:39:15,735 Mike: Mm-hmm. 802 00:39:16,335 --> 00:39:20,865 Ally: Um, you have four other people right in, that are running 803 00:39:20,865 --> 00:39:22,845 in the primary on the Democrat side. 804 00:39:23,055 --> 00:39:25,245 Would you call, would you label yourself a progressive? 805 00:39:25,725 --> 00:39:26,475 Mike: Absolutely. 806 00:39:26,685 --> 00:39:27,674 Um, absolutely. 807 00:39:27,674 --> 00:39:29,685 I mean, I'm for universal healthcare. 808 00:39:29,955 --> 00:39:31,185 I support unions. 809 00:39:31,335 --> 00:39:35,265 Like, it was funny, I was filling out a, uh, thing for a union 810 00:39:35,265 --> 00:39:37,125 the other day and I'm like, wow. 811 00:39:38,654 --> 00:39:44,055 Do I have to answer no to any of these because I, I know this is a 812 00:39:44,055 --> 00:39:45,975 real problem for a lot of the people. 813 00:39:46,245 --> 00:39:51,645 I, I was actually trained how to work through from the other side, the person 814 00:39:51,705 --> 00:39:55,299 administering this, this, uh, it's a questionnaire we give to candidates. 815 00:39:56,025 --> 00:39:59,235 To see if their values are going to align with the union. 816 00:39:59,235 --> 00:39:59,325 Right? 817 00:39:59,745 --> 00:40:03,675 And, and they were just talking about all the progressive things that 818 00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:05,745 we as Progressive Dems want to do. 819 00:40:05,745 --> 00:40:09,315 And I'm like, yeah, um, can I just say yes and, and be done? 820 00:40:09,495 --> 00:40:12,975 Because it's, it's literally a list of everything I'd like to see. 821 00:40:12,975 --> 00:40:14,805 I'd like to see universal healthcare. 822 00:40:14,955 --> 00:40:17,295 I'd like to see, um, uh. 823 00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:23,339 Some method of actually making it possible for people to own homes Again, 824 00:40:23,759 --> 00:40:30,120 to actually not just say, we're going to work on this, but actually work on this. 825 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:30,210 Mm-hmm. 826 00:40:30,569 --> 00:40:37,620 There are so many issues in this country that we can't just continue to, to say, 827 00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:39,480 oh, we're gonna, we're gonna do that. 828 00:40:39,509 --> 00:40:41,370 We're gonna work on that in the future, 829 00:40:41,759 --> 00:40:42,060 Ally: kicking 830 00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:42,420 Mike: the can 831 00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:43,080 Ally: down the road. 832 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,545 Mike: We, we can't, the, the can's been kicked. 833 00:40:46,215 --> 00:40:50,175 We're, we're chasing after that can right now because as it turns out, 834 00:40:50,175 --> 00:40:54,405 our economic futures in that can, and we kicked it so far down the 835 00:40:54,405 --> 00:40:58,455 road that we're in a world of hurt. 836 00:40:58,755 --> 00:41:04,005 And if we don't start rail, railing that back and make actual structural 837 00:41:04,275 --> 00:41:08,895 changes to our country, we are not going to be able to continue as we are. 838 00:41:09,555 --> 00:41:13,815 And, and everyone, I don't care how rich you are or how poor you 839 00:41:13,815 --> 00:41:17,295 are, everyone will suffer for that if we do not make those changes. 840 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:19,920 And that's why I want to get elected. 841 00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:22,320 Ally: Well, I'm Mike, I'm a big fan of yours. 842 00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:23,580 Um, I know Seth. 843 00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:23,815 Thank you. 844 00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:25,800 You really enjoy talking to Mike too. 845 00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:28,020 Mike: So I'm on TikTok with you guys a lot. 846 00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:28,230 Ally: Yeah. 847 00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:35,160 Mike: And, um, uh, some of my daughter's, classmates saw me on TikTok and one of my 848 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,020 videos early on at the end, it was right before Packer came, I said, go, pack, go. 849 00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:45,450 And they, they tease me about that all the time now because. 850 00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:50,930 The kids are way more politically aware than I ever was as a kid. 851 00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:51,470 Ally: Oh yeah, 852 00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:51,620 Mike: for sure. 853 00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:53,870 They're actually paying attention to this kind of stuff. 854 00:41:53,975 --> 00:41:54,265 Ally: They 855 00:41:54,265 --> 00:41:54,384 really 856 00:41:54,384 --> 00:41:56,959 Mike: are, and so they, they were like, oh, cool. 857 00:41:56,959 --> 00:41:58,549 Hey, how's your dad's campaign going? 858 00:41:58,790 --> 00:42:02,390 Ally: I can't tell you how much I've learned from my own kids about politics. 859 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:03,109 Mike: Oh, I, I 860 00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:07,609 Ally: can't tell you how much my views have evolved and changed 861 00:42:07,879 --> 00:42:10,549 over time as a result of my kids. 862 00:42:11,419 --> 00:42:13,819 Mike: I don't think my views have changed, but. 863 00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:13,920 I, 864 00:42:15,299 --> 00:42:15,930 Ally: I might have, 865 00:42:15,930 --> 00:42:17,009 Mike: it was moments where I'm 866 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,370 Ally: so much more progressive than I ever, I mean, you can 867 00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:22,140 call me a democratic socialist. 868 00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:23,040 I'm good with it. 869 00:42:23,490 --> 00:42:27,480 I would never have said that even probably five years ago. 870 00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:33,210 Mike: I think what, what made me realize that my kids were growing up was. 871 00:42:34,050 --> 00:42:36,540 I'd have to be like, oh, okay. 872 00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:41,460 They may have a point exactly what they're saying might actually, that's what I mean. 873 00:42:41,460 --> 00:42:44,940 Be, Hey, maybe I should think about this a different way. 874 00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:45,510 Mm-hmm. 875 00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:47,790 And it was generally the same idea, 876 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:48,420 Ally: right. 877 00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:51,300 Mike: But a consideration, a, a thing that, and 878 00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:51,450 Ally: taking 879 00:42:51,450 --> 00:42:51,510 Mike: it 880 00:42:51,555 --> 00:42:51,715 Ally: a little 881 00:42:51,715 --> 00:42:51,875 Mike: bit 882 00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:54,600 Ally: further about, yeah, I've had the same experience. 883 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,010 And I, I love that. 884 00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:58,080 Um, I love being able to see, 885 00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:58,560 Mike: it 886 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,360 Ally: gives me hope, everything through a different lens. 887 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,530 It gives me hope as well. 888 00:43:01,530 --> 00:43:01,590 It 889 00:43:01,860 --> 00:43:02,100 Mike: gives 890 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:02,280 Ally: you hope. 891 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:02,460 Um. 892 00:43:02,535 --> 00:43:04,515 Uh, listen, it's been a pleasure. 893 00:43:04,515 --> 00:43:06,734 Can you tell everyone how to support you? 894 00:43:07,455 --> 00:43:13,365 Mike: So I, I tell people across this country, there are a huge number of 895 00:43:13,365 --> 00:43:15,705 candidates right now making the choice. 896 00:43:16,065 --> 00:43:17,565 Can I continue on and. 897 00:43:18,884 --> 00:43:23,654 The ways to support me are the ways that any politician would need support. 898 00:43:23,924 --> 00:43:25,154 We need your time. 899 00:43:25,365 --> 00:43:30,375 We need your money, and we need you to actually talk about us 900 00:43:30,464 --> 00:43:31,785 to your friends and neighbors. 901 00:43:32,205 --> 00:43:34,904 Now, if, if you can do all three, great. 902 00:43:35,055 --> 00:43:36,884 If you can do one of them, great. 903 00:43:38,294 --> 00:43:44,325 Right now, everyone has the responsibility to actually do what they can. 904 00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:50,370 If you have the means at hand, you have the responsibility to act, and this 905 00:43:50,370 --> 00:43:56,460 is the time to act because you want to talk about, you know, having the kind of 906 00:43:56,460 --> 00:43:58,530 politicians you actually want in office. 907 00:43:58,950 --> 00:44:00,810 You can't do that in the general election. 908 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,340 By then, they've already been picked. 909 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,840 So you want to see a progressive Democrat in office one way 910 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,830 you could make it happen. 911 00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:09,300 Donate to my campaign. 912 00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:13,440 Um, I have the links to my, uh, act blue. 913 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,910 We'll put, we'll put them right here all over the place. 914 00:44:15,475 --> 00:44:16,085 We'll put 'em right here. 915 00:44:16,085 --> 00:44:18,060 Um, you can also go to my website. 916 00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:22,500 It's hiden rech, the number four congress.com, and the 917 00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:24,359 contact information on there. 918 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,049 If you're in my district and want to volunteer, if you're even just a little 919 00:44:28,049 --> 00:44:32,549 bit outside my district and want to volunteer, we'll still take you and I'll 920 00:44:32,549 --> 00:44:35,970 even point out who in your district you should be supporting in your district. 921 00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:40,200 I, I've, I've had talks with people who are just outside my district. 922 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,580 They're like, can I still support you? 923 00:44:41,730 --> 00:44:42,629 Of course you can. 924 00:44:43,154 --> 00:44:47,115 In fact, I want you to support all the other candidates who 925 00:44:47,115 --> 00:44:49,424 are doing the same thing I am. 926 00:44:49,694 --> 00:44:52,845 Who you think are actually going to support your values. 927 00:44:53,025 --> 00:44:58,035 You should be looking at the, you know, Congress person down in North Carolina 928 00:44:58,065 --> 00:45:03,765 who might be trying to actually run a campaign that agrees with your values. 929 00:45:04,275 --> 00:45:09,375 The only way a person like me or a person like them is gonna get into 930 00:45:09,375 --> 00:45:11,775 office is the support of people like you. 931 00:45:12,405 --> 00:45:15,615 Because the other option is corporate money. 932 00:45:16,125 --> 00:45:16,305 Ally: Yeah. 933 00:45:16,305 --> 00:45:19,395 Mike: Like my, my opponent has probably 3 million in the bank. 934 00:45:19,995 --> 00:45:22,575 You can look up where his money came from. 935 00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:22,890 Ally: Oh, 936 00:45:22,990 --> 00:45:23,290 Mike: you can. 937 00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:23,610 Oh, 938 00:45:24,190 --> 00:45:24,650 Seth: we will. 939 00:45:25,155 --> 00:45:25,755 Mike: Oh, yeah. 940 00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:31,005 I mean, and, and I, there's a large number of really good ways to do that, 941 00:45:31,005 --> 00:45:34,845 but just look at the FEC, it'll tell you where everyone gets their money from. 942 00:45:35,325 --> 00:45:39,675 Ally: So in post-production, we will be looking into your, uh, 943 00:45:39,675 --> 00:45:44,145 your opposition and digging into that, and happy to share that. 944 00:45:44,565 --> 00:45:47,295 Um, but Seth, any final words? 945 00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:51,975 Seth: I, I would just say y'all, to our audience, look at what Elon 946 00:45:51,975 --> 00:45:53,625 Musk and the billionaires did. 947 00:45:54,045 --> 00:45:59,175 When you're thinking about, you know, supporting a candidate, am I gonna 948 00:45:59,175 --> 00:46:01,695 give money to a candidate like Mike? 949 00:46:01,695 --> 00:46:02,895 Like, like anybody? 950 00:46:03,765 --> 00:46:07,395 Think of it as an investment in your future. 951 00:46:07,965 --> 00:46:08,175 Mike: Doesn't 952 00:46:08,385 --> 00:46:13,215 Seth: look at the, look at what, look at what Elon Musk has benefited. 953 00:46:13,215 --> 00:46:16,665 I mean, the ROI, I mean 300 million is nothing. 954 00:46:16,815 --> 00:46:17,270 This man just. 955 00:46:18,315 --> 00:46:21,255 Arguably made another $50 billion. 956 00:46:21,464 --> 00:46:28,725 So the investing in your local politicians can reap benefits 10 a 957 00:46:28,725 --> 00:46:31,125 hundred fold, and really think about that. 958 00:46:31,214 --> 00:46:36,555 Your $20 could go a long way and it could come back and really help you out. 959 00:46:36,855 --> 00:46:38,115 So that's what I would say to our audience. 960 00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:43,500 Mike: Wisconsin, our primary is not until August. 961 00:46:43,859 --> 00:46:48,839 So if a candidate like me wants to get elected, I cannot wait 962 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,680 till the primary to decide whether or not I'm gonna have support. 963 00:46:52,830 --> 00:46:57,900 If I don't have support right now, until August, people aren't gonna know who I am. 964 00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:58,410 Ally: Yeah. 965 00:46:58,410 --> 00:47:00,509 Mike: So that's what I need you guys. 966 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,230 Any money, any volunteering, any support. 967 00:47:04,905 --> 00:47:09,765 The earlier you do it, the more effective it will be because it will generate 968 00:47:09,915 --> 00:47:14,265 that neighbor of yours who suddenly is going to be one of my best canvassers. 969 00:47:14,475 --> 00:47:18,465 It'll generate that, that relative of yours who's like, yeah, I could. 970 00:47:18,555 --> 00:47:19,875 I could give some money to them. 971 00:47:20,775 --> 00:47:25,545 That builds and it builds and it builds, and it creates something 972 00:47:25,545 --> 00:47:27,435 that can actually achieve something. 973 00:47:27,495 --> 00:47:30,735 No one thought was even possible, which is. 974 00:47:31,485 --> 00:47:35,505 Democratic Congress that'll actually do something about what's going on right now. 975 00:47:36,405 --> 00:47:37,485 And I'd love to be part of it. 976 00:47:38,235 --> 00:47:38,595 Ally: Love that. 977 00:47:38,595 --> 00:47:38,895 Mike. 978 00:47:39,105 --> 00:47:41,085 Listen, it was so nice talking to you. 979 00:47:41,535 --> 00:47:42,795 Um, stay in touch. 980 00:47:42,795 --> 00:47:45,735 We'll connect again because I wanna see how things are going. 981 00:47:46,155 --> 00:47:50,295 And, um, in the meantime, we're gonna put all your information up here. 982 00:47:50,415 --> 00:47:52,575 Um, but, you know, help out. 983 00:47:52,575 --> 00:47:52,965 Mike. 984 00:47:53,325 --> 00:47:54,105 He's a good one. 985 00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:55,725 Mike: I, I would appreciate it. 986 00:47:56,205 --> 00:47:59,955 You're not gonna get a candidate unless you support them. 987 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,720 Because I'm not taking corporate PAC money, so literally my only 988 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:05,910 method of support is you guys. 989 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,635 And, and that's, that's how we gotta, and that's 990 00:48:08,635 --> 00:48:08,875 Ally: what we want. 991 00:48:09,015 --> 00:48:09,875 Mike: That's how we gotta do it. 992 00:48:09,875 --> 00:48:10,115 That's what 993 00:48:10,115 --> 00:48:10,170 Ally: we want. 994 00:48:10,385 --> 00:48:10,675 Yeah. 995 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:10,980 Mike: Yeah. 996 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:11,700 Ally: Absolutely. 997 00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:12,990 Thank you, Mike. 998 00:48:13,170 --> 00:48:13,980 Thank you so much. 999 00:48:13,985 --> 00:48:14,035 Seth: Yeah. 1000 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,940 Thank you for your time, Mike. 1001 00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:15,390 Thank you so 1002 00:48:15,390 --> 00:48:15,510 Mike: much. 1003 00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:17,070 I appreciate you guys so much. 1004 00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:18,360 Thank you very much. 1005 00:48:18,365 --> 00:48:18,435 Absolutely. 1006 00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:21,475 For your inaugural, uh, your inaugural, uh, 1007 00:48:22,015 --> 00:48:23,275 Ally: our inaugural interview. 1008 00:48:23,775 --> 00:48:24,915 Mike: Yes, sir. I really appreciate it. 1009 00:48:24,915 --> 00:48:25,275 I am honored. 1010 00:48:26,009 --> 00:48:27,029 Ally: Thank you Mike. 1011 00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:30,480 So Seth, what did you think about that conversation with Mike? 1012 00:48:31,110 --> 00:48:33,360 Seth: Oh man, that was just a breath of fresh air. 1013 00:48:33,450 --> 00:48:37,470 Uh, Mike is the kind of guy that we're looking to platform, right? 1014 00:48:37,470 --> 00:48:41,100 I mean, in the primaries you can be a little bit more 1015 00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:43,049 choosy with your Democrats. 1016 00:48:43,049 --> 00:48:47,880 You can kind of go with like your ideal, your dream candidate, if you will. 1017 00:48:48,109 --> 00:48:49,819 And this is almost, it's like speed dating. 1018 00:48:49,850 --> 00:48:52,430 I mean, there's a lot of people to consider love, love that we 1019 00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:55,580 wanna tell a lot of people, uh, you know, you wanna find out a lot of 1020 00:48:55,580 --> 00:48:57,230 information a about a lot of people. 1021 00:48:57,319 --> 00:49:01,460 And depending on what state you're in, there's, you got a month, you 1022 00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:02,990 could have four or five months. 1023 00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:07,609 I mean, it is really, it really is wild ally, like how widespread. 1024 00:49:08,125 --> 00:49:10,495 The, these states have their primaries. 1025 00:49:10,495 --> 00:49:12,175 And until I started digging, I know into it. 1026 00:49:12,265 --> 00:49:13,315 I didn't realize it. 1027 00:49:13,315 --> 00:49:17,065 I mean, you got people with, you got states with primaries in March. 1028 00:49:17,155 --> 00:49:20,395 You got people with, you got states with primaries in August. 1029 00:49:20,755 --> 00:49:21,505 Yeah, two or three months. 1030 00:49:21,505 --> 00:49:23,070 This is in August before the real election. 1031 00:49:23,650 --> 00:49:25,110 So I'm just like, how. 1032 00:49:25,965 --> 00:49:28,035 How is that, you know, how is that mean? 1033 00:49:28,095 --> 00:49:28,305 But 1034 00:49:28,545 --> 00:49:29,925 Ally: I don't, I don't know. 1035 00:49:29,985 --> 00:49:30,795 It's wild. 1036 00:49:30,795 --> 00:49:33,915 I, I see that Jasmine Crockett is out there in Texas. 1037 00:49:33,945 --> 00:49:34,035 Mm-hmm. 1038 00:49:34,335 --> 00:49:39,405 Um, meeting with constituents and the community encouraging early voting 1039 00:49:39,435 --> 00:49:41,565 in her, you know, in, in Texas. 1040 00:49:41,745 --> 00:49:43,665 And then you've got Mike on the other end of this. 1041 00:49:43,965 --> 00:49:47,955 He's, his primary is not until August, which gives him a full. 1042 00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:50,819 Two, two and a half months. 1043 00:49:50,850 --> 00:49:50,910 Yeah. 1044 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,069 Um, if the spring and the summer the primary, 1045 00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:53,430 Seth: like 1046 00:49:53,580 --> 00:49:53,850 Ally: Yeah. 1047 00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:54,240 Seth: Wow. 1048 00:49:54,359 --> 00:49:55,109 Ally: It's wild. 1049 00:49:55,259 --> 00:49:55,799 It's wild. 1050 00:49:55,799 --> 00:49:56,640 It's, yeah. 1051 00:49:56,850 --> 00:50:00,029 And we'll, we'll go through all of those timelines as we go state 1052 00:50:00,029 --> 00:50:02,700 by state because we weren't aware. 1053 00:50:02,759 --> 00:50:06,960 And other people may not be aware either that your primaries are not 1054 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,180 set in stone across the country. 1055 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,035 Um, midterm voting is. 1056 00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:16,950 But primaries are all over the place, but I, I really enjoy talking to him. 1057 00:50:16,955 --> 00:50:17,055 Yeah. 1058 00:50:17,130 --> 00:50:25,080 I think he's such an authentic, solid, kind, um, hardworking 1059 00:50:25,230 --> 00:50:28,859 guy that really wants to get into this for the right reasons. 1060 00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:29,279 Seth: Yeah. 1061 00:50:29,279 --> 00:50:33,839 Like you can feel how genuine he is when you talk with him, and I hope that 1062 00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:36,509 everybody kind of got that same vibe. 1063 00:50:36,945 --> 00:50:37,485 Uh, from him. 1064 00:50:37,485 --> 00:50:39,945 I mean, the guy's rocking his Green Bay Packer stuff. 1065 00:50:39,945 --> 00:50:42,285 I mean, it doesn't get more w Wisconsin than that. 1066 00:50:42,495 --> 00:50:44,985 Like he's, he's, that, he is that through and through. 1067 00:50:45,135 --> 00:50:49,275 He's a union guy through and through almost 20 years in unions. 1068 00:50:49,485 --> 00:50:54,705 I mean, this is a guy who is authentic, who lives his message 1069 00:50:54,705 --> 00:50:58,635 and you know, not only d does he speak it, but he lives it right. 1070 00:50:58,944 --> 00:51:01,705 And he put, he puts it behind and he, and he stays, uh, 1071 00:51:01,735 --> 00:51:03,865 connected to those union guys. 1072 00:51:03,865 --> 00:51:03,955 Mm-hmm. 1073 00:51:04,375 --> 00:51:07,404 And he feels their plight and even, and you know, and we know a lot 1074 00:51:07,404 --> 00:51:11,275 of people who work in unions and they are, and they vote Republican. 1075 00:51:11,335 --> 00:51:13,670 They vote on the right side and Exactly. 1076 00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:16,015 And they, even to the point where, you know, they vote 1077 00:51:16,015 --> 00:51:17,335 against their own self-interest. 1078 00:51:17,335 --> 00:51:22,190 And Mike is a guy who can really reach across the aisle and mm-hmm. 1079 00:51:22,435 --> 00:51:25,555 And, and reach those voters that you desperately need. 1080 00:51:25,555 --> 00:51:27,205 Because like I was saying in the interview. 1081 00:51:27,705 --> 00:51:31,635 Wisconsin was the closest to electing Kamala Harris. 1082 00:51:31,635 --> 00:51:31,695 Yeah. 1083 00:51:32,145 --> 00:51:36,435 There's, you know, there's, you know, ano 20,000 votes one way or the other. 1084 00:51:36,585 --> 00:51:41,145 Swings the election and as we know, hundreds of thousands stayed home. 1085 00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:42,140 You. 1086 00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:42,459 Mm-hmm. 1087 00:51:42,540 --> 00:51:43,934 And that's why we have Donald Trump. 1088 00:51:43,935 --> 00:51:48,044 So y'all get out there, get, take a look at Mike, take a 1089 00:51:48,044 --> 00:51:48,944 look at the other candidates. 1090 00:51:48,944 --> 00:51:50,055 We'll be bringing you others. 1091 00:51:50,265 --> 00:51:54,254 But like, you know, that this is who can reach across the aisle in 1092 00:51:54,254 --> 00:51:57,705 a moment where we are so divided and so you need guys like Mike. 1093 00:51:57,705 --> 00:51:57,715 Mm-hmm. 1094 00:51:59,070 --> 00:52:00,120 Ally: Yeah, I agree. 1095 00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:06,720 And so I think it's safe to say that Seth and I both, um, are looking for Mike to 1096 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:11,100 win that sixth district in Wisconsin, and if we're putting him on the Chuck 1097 00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:15,720 Bernie scale, I'm gonna, I'm gonna slide him all the way over to the Bernie side. 1098 00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:16,680 Seth: All the way 1099 00:52:16,860 --> 00:52:17,370 Mike: to the left. 1100 00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:18,840 All the way to the left. 1101 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:19,200 Yeah, 1102 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:19,950 Seth: absolutely. 1103 00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:24,420 I mean, uh, you know, Bernie kind of got this thing started. 1104 00:52:25,065 --> 00:52:29,895 Uh, Mike is, you know, uh, very, he has that Bernie spirit. 1105 00:52:30,525 --> 00:52:33,705 Um, just a man of the people and, you know. 1106 00:52:34,605 --> 00:52:36,435 Progressive is where we want to go, right? 1107 00:52:36,435 --> 00:52:38,085 I mean, we want our ideal candidate. 1108 00:52:38,115 --> 00:52:39,134 We want a candidate. 1109 00:52:39,134 --> 00:52:39,225 Mm-hmm. 1110 00:52:39,525 --> 00:52:43,005 That's gonna speak for us, speak to our values and put, at the very 1111 00:52:43,005 --> 00:52:47,295 least, put pressure on the other candidates to come to the table. 1112 00:52:47,295 --> 00:52:47,355 Yeah. 1113 00:52:47,565 --> 00:52:48,825 And to start adopting. 1114 00:52:48,980 --> 00:52:50,240 Some of these progressive views. 1115 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:55,010 'cause we've already seen, I mean, the way that Trump was just enraptured with, 1116 00:52:55,010 --> 00:53:00,320 with Zoran that, I mean, he even dressed like him, just charmed to death with him. 1117 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,340 I mean, wild. 1118 00:53:01,340 --> 00:53:02,510 This is what we're talking about. 1119 00:53:02,510 --> 00:53:06,080 Like people like Mike, people like Zoran, they can reach across the aisle. 1120 00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:10,670 They have ideas that are immensely popular in a time where. 1121 00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:14,000 Nothing Trump is doing is popular at all. 1122 00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:17,090 So, you know, y'all really think about this. 1123 00:53:17,090 --> 00:53:21,650 Like it is not out of the realm of possibility for these guys for so long. 1124 00:53:21,650 --> 00:53:26,450 I understand it has not really been an option, but now is the time. 1125 00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:28,490 And if not now, then when. 1126 00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:32,330 So I'm really a hundred excited that we, that we got Mike, he's all the 1127 00:53:32,330 --> 00:53:35,090 way on a sliding to the Bernie side. 1128 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,130 And, uh, and that's, and that's what we want. 1129 00:53:37,220 --> 00:53:38,690 You know, that's who's gonna fight for us. 1130 00:53:39,299 --> 00:53:39,810 Ally: Agreed. 1131 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:40,980 Look into Mike. 1132 00:53:41,009 --> 00:53:44,370 There's lots of ways that you can support his campaign, whether you're 1133 00:53:44,370 --> 00:53:46,410 in Wisconsin or outside of there. 1134 00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:48,360 We have his information right here. 1135 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,560 Check out his website. 1136 00:53:50,009 --> 00:53:52,110 Um, follow him on social media. 1137 00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:57,180 I'm really hoping he is a breakout, uh, candidate in this primary. 1138 00:53:57,180 --> 00:53:58,230 I'd love to see him get him. 1139 00:53:58,740 --> 00:54:00,240 Seth: No doubt, no doubt, really. 1140 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:01,680 And good luck to Mike. 1141 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:02,009 I know he is. 1142 00:54:02,009 --> 00:54:05,970 Got a few more, uh, months to go, so y'all sign up to help. 1143 00:54:05,970 --> 00:54:08,190 You don't have to live in Wisconsin to help Mike out. 1144 00:54:08,505 --> 00:54:12,375 You can throw 'em a little bit of money, every little bit helps, um, 1145 00:54:12,375 --> 00:54:15,675 when you're running against more centrist candidates, um mm-hmm. 1146 00:54:15,945 --> 00:54:20,085 You know, and, but, you know, get, you know, give him a look 1147 00:54:20,325 --> 00:54:21,765 if you feel great about 'em. 1148 00:54:21,915 --> 00:54:23,475 Volunteer a little bit of your time. 1149 00:54:23,475 --> 00:54:26,685 Like I said in the interview, it's about, uh, investing. 1150 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:26,820 Yeah. 1151 00:54:27,180 --> 00:54:31,140 At this point you're investing time, investing money, and 1152 00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:33,540 you're, and what you're trying to get is a return on investment. 1153 00:54:33,540 --> 00:54:37,470 Somebody who will represent you, uh, to the fullest extent. 1154 00:54:38,370 --> 00:54:39,030 Ally: Exactly. 1155 00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:43,500 So, thanks everybody for, for joining us on this inaugural episode. 1156 00:54:43,860 --> 00:54:45,390 Hey, we've got more to come. 1157 00:54:45,450 --> 00:54:47,130 We're gonna have more interviews. 1158 00:54:47,340 --> 00:54:50,070 When we are unable to meet with a candidate, we will. 1159 00:54:50,175 --> 00:54:51,855 Still deep dive into our favorites. 1160 00:54:51,915 --> 00:54:52,005 Mm-hmm. 1161 00:54:52,335 --> 00:54:56,115 And we are also speaking of deep dives, going to do other 1162 00:54:56,115 --> 00:54:57,525 episodes of this podcast. 1163 00:54:57,885 --> 00:55:03,195 To deep dive into stories, um, that might be getting glossed over in our news. 1164 00:55:03,195 --> 00:55:03,255 Yeah. 1165 00:55:03,255 --> 00:55:04,455 So stay tuned for that. 1166 00:55:04,755 --> 00:55:07,065 But Seth, it's been, it's been great to see you. 1167 00:55:07,065 --> 00:55:10,965 It's great to talk to Mike and, uh, go, go find Mike. 1168 00:55:11,505 --> 00:55:12,375 He's our guy 1169 00:55:12,765 --> 00:55:13,095 Seth: for sure. 1170 00:55:13,425 --> 00:55:13,965 All right, ally. 1171 00:55:14,655 --> 00:55:15,065 Ally: Alright, love you. 1172 00:55:15,065 --> 00:55:15,390 Take care. 1173 00:55:15,390 --> 00:55:15,870 Appreciate you. 1174 00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:16,350 Love you. 1175 00:55:16,785 --> 00:55:17,175 Bye.