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Welcome back to Equine Assisted World.
I've got Shay Stewart.
Shay Stewart if you listened to her podcast that I did with her over
on Live Free, Ride Free, that's our other podcast, you'll know that
she's somebody who knows an awful lot about things that we often don't know
about, like fascia and mitochondria.
And, the liquid intelligence of the body, which is a thing.
And, the way light operates in the body in cells.
Not as a woo woo thing, but as a biological thing.
And how this affects well being.
In all sorts of ways, and she's also a horse, a horse woman, and very
much in demand as a craniosacral practitioner with horses.
Some of you may know that she's been on Warwick Schiller's
podcast Journey On, et cetera.
And I'm always fascinated to talk to to talk to Shea, because I always
learn it, you know, all the stuff I haven't yet caught up on, it's good.
But I wanted her on this show because if you are a practitioner of anything
equine assisted, you've basically got three things you're always
having to bear in mind, four really.
One is the well being of your clients and your horses.
That's sort of an equal first together.
You can't separate one from the other, right?
Because if your horse has got no well being, how are you going to transmit well
being through your horse to a person?
But also, if we don't know some things about the human well being,
we might inadvertently fall into some holes, which we don't want to.
Then, of course, there is the well being of yourself as the, as the
practitioner, because again, if you've got no well being, unlikely that you'll
be able to transmit that to others, no matter how many legs they have.
And then, of course, So that there was two, there's now three, and then
the last one, of course, is that the, the, the families, particularly when
you're dealing with children or young, young people, when they go home,
what are you sending them home with?
Because one of the, one of the real limitations, I think,
about equine assisted stuff is that it's equine assisted.
When people leave that space They're not taking a horse back to their living
room in their apartment building.
So how can they keep good things going?
That might be related to what the horse has given them or more general things.
Shea Stewart is somebody who knows that whole universe.
And so if you're an equine assisted practitioner or somebody who Part X,
because you are a service user, i.
e.
a patient, if you like, or both, many of us are both.
Shay Stewart is somebody you want to know about and listen to, and you
want to go to her website and all of that stuff will be available here.
So Shay, welcome back and thank you for coming.
Shea Stewart: Hi, Rupert.
Thank you so much for having me back.
I always.
Love our conversations and I'm happy to be here.
Rupert Isaacson: All right, so I very much advise listeners to get a notebook out
because there are going to be some things that Shay talks about that you might be
aware of and you might not be aware of and that you perhaps need to be aware
of or be helpful if you're aware of and also things that perhaps you have heard
of but you haven't heard well explained like mitochondria, for example, important
thing, word we hear, what does it mean?
But let's start first with Shay, you're a craniosacral therapist first and foremost,
that's where it sort of began with you.
What is that?
How is that helpful to horses and humans?
And how has that led you on to these other areas?
Shea Stewart: Well so I've been receiving craniosacral since.
1987 or 88 and it was
Rupert Isaacson: after the dinosaurs
Shea Stewart: shortly after that.
Yeah, not too long after that.
And this is before, you know,
Rupert Isaacson: amazing for 3000 years old.
It must be that mitochondria stuff
Shea Stewart: because I focus on my mitochondrial health.
Rupert Isaacson: All right.
Okay.
So you started as a patient as somebody needing it.
Why?
Yes,
Shea Stewart: I, I got it.
And this was before massages and chiropractic and all
that was really part of
Rupert Isaacson: it.
Yeah.
Shea Stewart: And my sister was a professional ballet dancer and they
always received, you know, interesting things with their body work.
And she turned me on to this woman who did craniosacral.
And I went there because I had migraines.
And what I didn't realize was that I was, that was, those were just
a symptom of a, a dysregulated system and she, she helped all that.
And I was so drawn to that work that I ended up learning how to do it myself.
And so I took some cranial classes and then I decided to take an
advanced two year biodynamic course.
And one thing I don't know if people are aware of is there are
two approaches to craniosacral.
There's biomechanical and there's biodynamic
Rupert Isaacson: and
Shea Stewart: the both of them work.
So the grandfather of craniosacral is named William Gardner Sutherland.
He was a osteopath student who saw that the skull bones were meant to
breathe like gills of a fish, all the different plates in the skull.
And so he spent his life studying that, and he developed
both craniosacral modalities.
Incorporate his five principles of the, of the craniosacral system, which is
Rupert Isaacson: what are those?
Yeah.
Shea Stewart: The, the flow of cerebral spinal fluid the core link, meaning
that the, the dura is free floating while it has, does have some attachments
and it, it moves independently with
Rupert Isaacson: the
Shea Stewart: spinal cord.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: So the five principles of the craniosacral.
mechanism is what he calls them.
There's the cerebral spinal fluid flow, the Dora, the core link, the the sutures,
the movement of the bones with it.
They're all joined together by sutures.
So they, they all have a motion.
So let's, The nervous system, how it acts independently of
of this and
he, so it basically is a, is a, an approach that works on the
nervous system through the flow of the cerebral spinal fluid and the
movement of the bones and the tissues.
So there's a rhythm that that these go and then later on in his.
His life, he found that there when he was called to work on a dying man, he
felt that there was a presence in the room that moved through the person.
And this, when he, he, he called this, he was a, he was a Christian mystic.
He called this the breath of life, which we now call primary respiration.
So, he had his 1st, 5 principles, and then he had 4 more after that, which was,
which start with primary respiration.
The mutual field between practitioner and client the relational
field is what he called it.
And the biomechanical approach their entry point into the cranial sacral
system is through the cranial rhythmic impulse, which is if you look at the
body as being like a ocean that's contained within skin, there's different.
There's different waves of of movement.
There's the surface waves, which are just like the ocean, which are a little faster.
And then, as you go deeper there, the, the motions get slower.
So, the biomechanical approach, their entry point into the system is, is
the faster surface cranial rhythmic impulse, which is not really fast.
It's.
It's a impulse at 6 to 12 minutes per cycle, which is this
actually ironically is the same.
I don't know if it's ironic.
It's the same wave as the geometric pulse of the earth.
And makes sense.
Yeah.
And that 6 minute cycle is also the, the timing of the coherent breath.
So it's, it's a slow rhythm and then the bow dynamic approach, they, we
focus on William Garner Sutherland's later principles, which the entry
point is primary respiration, which is the deep long tide, the
stabilizing rhythm of, of the body.
So it's like.
It's like the slow rhythm that stabilizes and supports life.
CRI may come up in a session, but we, we focus more on the slower rhythms.
So, that's mainly the difference.
But with this, we also look at the embryo as our archetype.
So, when we're just a single cell post fertilized egg, we, the, the fluids.
In the cell know our body is going to be and these fluids have memory.
It's like a blueprint of us and and this fluid has the memory of us.
So we access this the fluid body and the person or the client, whatever the horse
accessing what we call the inner embryo, which is the, the origins of our health.
And the fluid body, this is what got me into quantum biology is, so in
the biodynamic world, we, we focus on the fluid body and the rhythm,
rhythm of primary respiration and quantum biology, it actually actually
explains what the fluid body is.
From a scientific point of view,
Rupert Isaacson: please go on.
What is quantum biology?
I'm actually googling it as I ask you this.
Shea Stewart: Oh, you are.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah,
because it sounds intriguing.
Shea Stewart: So quantum biology is basically the study of.
Mitochondrial health through light, water, magnetism.
Those are the basic principles of quantum biology.
It's the intersection of quantum physics and biology.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
What I've got here is quantum biology is the field of study that investigates
processes in living organisms that cannot be accurately described
by the classical laws of physics.
This means that quantum theory has to be applied to understand these processes.
Would you say that's fair or
Shea Stewart: not?
Really?
I mean, they can be explained.
There are people that are way smarter in the field than I am because
it's, it's something that I've just been studying the last year.
But it is a lot to do with the way our mitochondria function.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: Protons, electrons.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
It's interesting too.
I've got.
It seems to go back to Schrodinger, Schrodinger, who a lot of people
know about, know the name, but they don't know who he was.
He was the guy who did the experiment with light.
Is light a photon, i.
e.
a fixed thing, or is it a wave?
And he found out that it was both because that argument
had been raging for centuries.
And he, he, he proved in an experiment that you could trap a light wave in a very
Narrow thing that was visible to the naked eye, and when you didn't look at it, it
was a wave, and when you looked at it, or when something measured it, it was a
particle, and that therefore superposition things could be different things at
once, like when you toss a coin, and it's spinning in the air before it comes
down, it's both heads and tails, right?
It's, But both in potential and then it's only when it hits the
ground and you observe it that you see which one it is Very similar.
So i'm i'm interested now.
Let's let's ground this two things one.
Cranial sacral work when my son rowan was at his most severe I cranial sacral
work and he couldn't stand Even the gentlest attentions of the therapist
because it seemed to overwhelm him.
So, we waited till, we would wait till Rona fallen asleep.
And then the cranial sacral person would.
Work on him very gently while he slept in that deep sleep.
So, and then we'd take him home and we do this about 11 o'clock at night.
Shows what you'll do as an autism parent, you know, drive an hour in to
the town, hour out, you know, to do this.
There always was a difference in him afterwards.
And then the, the second thing is those people who know our work with
movement method know that one of the things we do is sacral rocking.
That enhances not just oxytocin, feeling good and connected and
communicative, but also your cerebral spinal fluid flow, which of course
is good in all sorts of ways.
So, I, but I had not until I met you run into terms like quantum biology
or living a circadian lifestyle or quantum lifestyle as things that could
be beneficial for horses and humans.
And I'm going to get to explain those.
And then yeah, the, the experiences that.
We've had with the work that we do, particularly with autism and
communication seems always to be enhanced by sacral rocking.
So, and then one of the first neuroscientists to endorse horseboy
method and movement method was a guy called Robert Navio, Dr.
Robert Navio, who was the head of the mitochondrial Institute
in.
University of California, San Diego, so this brings us to this word mitochondria,
which the mighty chondria mighty anaconda Brain could go other ways there But this
is a word that gets battered around like cerebral spinal fluid one can sort of
picture it There's a fluid in the spine.
It goes up and down It has a bunch of different functions that we could
go into but it's a biological thing.
It's there We know it's there, you know, you can open someone's spine and there
it is you can open up their brain and there it is Mitochondria is something
which I think many people hear the word, don't really know what it means,
realize that it's important because more and more people seem to talk about it,
and there are whole university chairs based around it, and it seems to have
something to do with neuroscience.
So, here's a question for you.
You fell into this whole mitochondrial thing through your adventure with cerebral
spinal fluid in a way, in this primary Respiration that you're talking about.
What is mitochondria and why should horsey people trying to
help other people know about it?
Shea Stewart: Well,
mitochondrial health is greatly not looked at in our healthcare system,
yet I believe it's one of the most important aspects of our biology.
Mitochondrial health and our fluid body, I believe are the most important aspects.
So mitochondria are actually, they're organelles.
That live inside each cell.
So every cell in our body has thousands to millions of mitochondria or
yeah, mitochondria inside of them.
Rupert Isaacson: Little organs doing stuff, telling the, telling
the, telling the cell to do stuff.
Shea Stewart: Yep, they, they are known as the, as the energy makers,
like the, what's the, I can't think of the term people use with it.
Basically, they make ATP, which is an energy, but that's not all they do.
They they make CO2, they make water, they make infrared light.
They make oxygen and they need special things in order to do this.
And, and the most important thing that they, they make is water.
It's a deuterium depleted water, but mitochondria need
electrons in order to do this.
And they also need light frequencies in order to function properly.
Rupert Isaacson: Just quickly, you mentioned something called ATP, and I
went, ooh, what's that when it's at home?
So just for listeners, it's chemical energy produced by the
mitochondria is, well, chemical energy produced by the mitochondria
is stored in a small molecule.
Called
Aden phosphate, a TP.
Okay.
So it's like the battery story.
Okay.
Yep.
Got it.
Shea Stewart: Exactly.
A little semiconductor, a little battery.
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm
. Shea Stewart: So they,
Rupert Isaacson: okay, so the mitochondria are, are these organelles
that make the cell function to do.
All these good things for our well being.
We need CO2 for things.
We need oxygen for things.
Infrared light.
What do we need infrared light for?
Shea Stewart: Well, to make heat.
Rupert Isaacson: Ah.
Shea Stewart: Is one of the things.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: That's what infrared light is, is heat.
Rupert Isaacson: So, thermoregulation, mitochondria.
Shea Stewart: Yep.
And that heat.
You're getting
Rupert Isaacson: too hot, too cold.
Shea Stewart: Yep, and that heat that we make can actually
structure our internal water.
So, if you think about the water in our body it, it surrounds everything.
It surrounds every protein, every cell.
It lines our blood vessels.
It lines our arteries.
Glycocalyx is a, is a form of water that, that lines the arteries and blood vessels.
It's in our cerebral spinal fluid.
It's in our blood, our blood plasma.
Water is everywhere.
And this water is basically the means of, of communication.
Of every biological function in our body, and this water needs to be
in a structured state, which means that it's in a coherent state.
So if you think about, if you want to go the more quantum and get down
to what a water molecule is, oxygen and two hydrogens, and, and these.
Always form an angle.
Bond angle is what it's called.
And when it's at a certain angle, can form geometric patterns, geometric clusters,
and they, they structure together.
It's like a, it's like a symphony playing together.
What happens if this water is not structured, it becomes
what they call bulk water.
And bulk water is basically inflammation in the body.
And every cell in our body needs a negative charge that this water provides.
Rupert Isaacson: Why do we need a negative charge?
Shea Stewart: Because we run on a DC electrical current.
Because of the the electrical current that's needed in our
bodies in order to function
Rupert Isaacson: the spark of life
Shea Stewart: Yeah,
Rupert Isaacson: okay.
So Someone's listening to this going.
All right.
Well, you know, I'm shoveling shit right now listening to Rue and Shay talk about
this mitochondria thing and you know, and I've got you know, the kids who are coming
or I've got you know a group coming for their equine assisted thing in 15 minutes.
Why should I care for my horse?
Well, about this mitochondrial thing.
And, and, okay, I can be aware of it.
But what is, what is my awareness of it?
Allow me to do, to be better for my horse and for my human.
Shea Stewart: I think it's, I think it's understanding our biology
better so we can be optimal.
Okay.
Because when we, when our mitochondria is, is optimal, then we, we can think better.
We have we have a better ability to be creative and, and not so dogmatic on
things, you know, we become more open.
We, the movement that you talked about, that's one of the ways we also get
electrons that help our mitochondria.
We just become more.
We're just healthier all around our mitochondria can funk can
actually just we don't notice a dysfunction in our mitochondria until
it's dysfunctioning at about 70%.
So once we, we notice something wrong, like my back pain
that I've been dealing with.
That's when, when, if you.
Boil everything down in the quantum world.
We believe that all diseases, all health issues come down to a mitochondrial
dysfunction and our modern lifestyle is dysfunctioning it at a high rate of speed.
Because of the light environment, we live in the tech use the indoor life seeking.
We're always seeking comfort.
None of these do any are beneficial to our mitochondrial health
and the same with our animals.
They're like canary in the coal mines when it comes to mitochondrial
dysfunction or, or the things that are dysfunctioning our mitochondria,
they're even more sensitive to it.
And some people are more sensitive than others.
Women are more sensitive because we need that energy to create life.
So that, in a sense, makes us more sensitive to things that aren't
natural to our, our biology.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, so what can I do as an equine assisted practitioner
to optimise the mitochondrial health first of my horses?
Because that's who I'm going to be working through to these humans that come through.
Then we'll get to the humans.
How can I optimise my mitochond How do I get quantum horses?
Shea Stewart: Quantum horses.
Rupert Isaacson: Loads more horses.
That's what we all do.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
So
things that the things in our life that mitochondria love are
native electromagnetic frequencies.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Why?
Shea Stewart: Because that's what
Rupert Isaacson: that's plugging into the earth.
That's plugging into it.
The
Shea Stewart: only electromagnetic frequency that our biology understands
is that from the sun and that from the earth, the Schumann resonance,
the geometric magnetic pulse, the light frequencies from the sun.
This is connecting to nature.
So, our horses, they also rely on a circadian rhythm.
Circadian rhythm is not just, oh, I'm up during the day and I'm asleep at night.
It's every, every single cell in our body relies on a circadian rhythm.
The cells in our kidneys, the cells in our lungs, the cells in our liver, and
when, when there's a dysfunction, a lot of times it's because the circadian rhythm
of that actual body part can be off.
And usually it's a body part that has more mitochondria, so we have
more mitochondria and our heart and our brain and women and the eggs.
So a lot of our dysfunctions.
Or, you know, cardiovascular diseases stuff things like
dementia and things like that.
So, for horses,
what we can do from a quantum perspective to keep our healthy, our horses healthy
and living in a proper circadian lifestyle would be outside and sunrise.
No fly masks on.
Ideally,
the sun should also touch their fur.
So fly sheet or blankets, you know, some horses need the warmth, but it
is nice for them to get full spectrum sun at some point morning is good.
Solar noon is good.
No barn lights at night.
Anytime a light is turned on after the sun goes down, it's
a, it's a melatonin disruptor.
It basically stops the production of melatonin.
It stops the release of melatonin that's been producing all day from
serotonin.
So when we have a light on in the barn, not only does that disrupt
that the processes that the body's going through in order to shut down,
to go to sleep, to heal and repair.
But a lot of these lights also have that flicker that we talked about.
It's, it's not something that you can see visibly.
But all led lights have this and the flicker and led light is different
from the flicker from the old incandescent bulbs because it actually
turns on and then all the way off, all the way on, all the way off.
And it happens at like 150 times a second.
So we don't see it, but you can, you can actually put your, if you have
an iPhone, you can put it on slow motion mode and video your lights.
And see if they have flicker and what this flicker and I've seen it in barns
where I can feel it now because I'm so.
You know, that's the thing is once you become aware of this stuff, you sense
it sooner and I went to a barn and The horse that I was working on was I could
tell he was stressed at the time He was at the time rack He kept stretching
and yawning and stretching and yawning, but not like a good stretch or yawn.
It just seems stressed And the lights were I could feel the
stress coming from the light.
So I videoed them and the flicker was just insane.
So I had her turn the barn lights out and it was daylight.
You don't need lights in the barn during the day when there's.
Light coming in and horse immediately relaxed all that behavior stopped.
He took a deep breath and was like, okay,
Rupert Isaacson: it's very interesting what you say.
Because with autism, one of the no negative sensory triggers that Dr.
Temple Grandin first turned me on to when I was a young autism.
Dad was fluorescent strip lights and and led lights.
And to get rid of them in the home environment as much as possible.
And we did and it definitely worked.
For the same reasons that you talked about.
And I noticed, you know, frequently when I'm going into therapy barns
and they've got these massive fluorescent strip lights on.
It's like, dude, this is not gonna, this is not gonna work well.
Shea Stewart: But
Rupert Isaacson: devil's advocate.
We are in Northern England, or Norway, or Upper Peninsula Michigan, and it's
getting dark at, you know, two o'clock in the afternoon or whatever, and the
kids need to come for their sessions.
You've got to have lights on.
And so, there's going to be a whole evening session that
you, you just can't avoid.
So, What do we do to make sure that that isn't detrimental?
Shea Stewart: Well, there are companies that are making circadian
friendly non flicker light bulbs.
There's a whole Are they
Rupert Isaacson: doing them on the big enough scale that you could
light an arena with them or a barn?
Shea Stewart: I know there was somebody in my applied quantum biology course
I took who was designing lights.
He was in the UK, I think.
And he worked for a light designing company.
I could ask him if, if they
Rupert Isaacson: But what would your, what would your Let's say, you know,
I'm a stress barn owner and I haven't got time to contact this dude in England
for something he might or might not have access to and that I might or might not
be able to access because I'm in Canada.
I don't know.
What can I do, given that it's a non ideal situation?
What can I do to mitigate those effects as best I can?
Shea Stewart: Well,
Rupert Isaacson: in those dark, that dark time of the year.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
If you, if you can buy better bulbs, look for some places you
can still buy incandescent bulbs, incandescent bulbs are better because.
They have the infrared in them.
That's why they stopped making them because of the energy production,
the energy coming from them.
So now we have LED bulbs that are like one spectrum of blue, 450
nanometers or something of blue.
And our, our biology does not understand that spectrum of light because we,
our biology does not understand.
Anything that's isolate any of those light spectrums that are isolated because
the sun is like Almost 50 percent red and infrared, the light that comes from
the sun and so when we take a bulb, that's got an isolated spectrum of blue.
The body doesn't understand that.
So things 1 of the main things that happen.
There's lots of studies on PubMed about this, but the, the 1st thing
that happens is our glucose spikes.
And our bodies are, are very intelligent, intelligent, and it spikes
as a protection against that light.
So when we're in the barn at night and we're under led lights, this, these
are things that are just happening.
It happens with horses too, cause they're, they're mammals and
they have mitochondria as well.
So
one, one thing that I did in my house before I started replacing all the bulbs
is I bought that red vinyl tape you use to put on like a broken tail light.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: And I covered, I put that tape over all the little
nightlights, the refrigerator lights anything that I could take.
So you end up
Rupert Isaacson: with a bunch of red light.
Shea Stewart: Yes.
So technically you could do that in a barn if you need the lights, even
if you don't want to do all of them, you could do some of them or you
Rupert Isaacson: need some bright light so you can see
Shea Stewart: how
Rupert Isaacson: to do some things.
Yeah,
Shea Stewart: the other thing you could do is you could add red lights.
So, barn, barn aisles, arenas, those are going to be LED or
fluorescent lights, which is that.
That isolated spectrum of blue that's causing they're actually, they've
actually traced diabetes to this and, and you can, you can look up the studies,
but it's hard because we, you know,
since the invention of lights, we completely changed our lifestyle.
It's like, okay, we can be up all night now, but we're in, but our biology
is, has not cut up, caught up to that.
So.
When what you could do in a barn or an arena is incorporate some red lights
just to help diffuse that isolated blue.
You're not going to fix the flicker with that, though.
You have to get special flicker free bulbs.
Rupert Isaacson: How easy is to get?
Shea Stewart: There's a I could I could send you a list of
companies that sell them.
Rupert Isaacson: OK, so if I'm a barn owner, should I be
looking at flicker free bulbs?
Shea Stewart: Yeah,
Rupert Isaacson: and taping some stuff red.
Shea Stewart: Yeah,
Rupert Isaacson: and having some red lights, which will maybe give
me a warmer light anyway in my barn.
I mean, one of the things that's often difficult in those
barns, it can feel very cold.
And then the weather outside is cold and then the light is cold.
Yeah.
Shea Stewart: If you can find incandescent bulbs, those are the best.
I can still find those in the U.
S.
I know some countries are completely banned, but
Rupert Isaacson: Something which I found helpful was because When I'm doing,
say, an equine assisted session in the evening, I don't actually need very bright
lights for that because I'm not jumping.
I'm not needing to see my way exactly into a fence, you know,
where dull light, you know, could be dangerous or something like that.
So I, in some cases, even worked to candlelight.
And that sort of thing, which in a, in an arena you can, speaking a small arena,
you really can, or even switching off half the lights and only having part
of the lights on and switching them on.
What I started experimenting with sometimes was switching them on down
the end of the arena, but working a little bit in the less lip bit of
the arena so that we weren't fully.
I've sort of played around with these things and it's, it's, it's, I would say
I've observed good effects with the kids.
What I didn't necessarily look to was the effects with the horses because, you know,
my understanding of equine well being.
What I've grown up with is so much about fitness and muscle building
and brain development and keeping them interested, you know, and
obviously giving them a naturalistic lifestyle as much as possible.
Not everybody can and I'm aware of this.
I don't want to shame people who can't, like we've got a really
good horse boy and movement method practice in the middle of Dublin.
And they serve, it's a really important service.
They're serving urban kids who would never get access to this normally.
You think, Oh, Ireland, everyone's got horses, but
actually Dublin's anywhere else.
And they don't have the facilities.
They do what they can.
Inventive, and they also send their horses out regularly and rotate them
out to the country for long breaks in fields for a few weeks and then bring.
So, you know, they're doing their equine well being as, you know,
as well as they possibly can.
But with the best will in the world, we know that not everybody can
have the state of Montana as you know, their backyard sort of thing.
We all
Shea Stewart: can't have a thousand acres for our horses to run free on.
Indeed.
Yeah, you do the best you can.
Do the best you can.
I had that too of my barn that I had in California.
Rupert Isaacson: So, so how did you get around that when
you were running your barn?
Shea Stewart: When, when they when they were, they were in
small, lived in small paddocks.
So, I just got them out as much as I could.
I made their turnouts interesting.
You know, with like a new branch for them to
Rupert Isaacson: like, how did you
Shea Stewart: play with, or, you know, barrels, you know, to go
around, you know, things to keep their brain interest and engaged.
I made sure they're living space.
They were next to horses.
They liked, you know, it's no fun living in such a tight space
with somebody you don't like.
So.
I'm
Rupert Isaacson: sure a lot of people are laughing.
Shea Stewart: I made sure
Rupert Isaacson: it's in our life.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
I also made sure they always had something, you know, to chew on some
hay or twigs or, you know, whatever.
But yeah, we do the best we can with.
With what we have and there are things we can't always control how
much space we have and but we can control the lighting environment.
And, and the other non native EMFs, we can control that.
Rupert Isaacson: What's an EMF?
Shea Stewart: An EMF is an electromagnetic field.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: And it's basically can be thought of as a light
wave, like a non visible.
Rupert Isaacson: Hmm.
Shea Stewart: Because we have, you know, there's visible light waves
and there's non visible light waves.
The other thing about the lighting is lighting at night from a
quantum health perspective should come from lower areas, not above.
So, if you want to think about mimicking the sun,
it's solar noon, the sun is, you know, above our heads, every
color of the rainbow is out, it's solar noon from the sun.
And each different light spectrum tells our body to do different things.
When we're inside an artificial light, so the sun, the color is always changing
as it, as it goes across the sky.
It comes up, it's, when it's rising, it's red, infrared,
it's a real rich blend of red.
And then when it hits about 10 degrees, that's when UVA comes out and UVA tells
our we have aromatic amino acids that live in the back of our eyes and there's
a super chiasmotic nucleus that goes from our eye to our hypothalamus and
the, these different spectrums tell.
Tell these things to do different processes.
So UVA rise tells the tryptophan, the, which is an aromatic amino acid
to turn, to catalyze into serotonin, which then at night that catalyzes
into melatonin when darkness comes.
So if you think about natural light, it's doing all kinds of things.
Artificial light is one spectrum and it's a spectrum we don't understand.
And if you have it on in the barn all the time, I mean, luckily, most
barns have, do get natural light that comes in and kind of diffuses it.
But if you, if you think about
light coming from up above at night, it's not, it's another
strike against what's natural.
So it should be a light that's below our eye levels.
That's it.
That's a more diffused amber tone.
Rupert Isaacson: I'm picturing a riding arena with wall sconces with
being thrown up like you might see in a beautiful equestrian display.
At some big equestrian show like Cavalia that you've paid money to go see.
And it's interesting how the lights in those sorts of shows, of course, are
always very warm and are very seldom.
Bright top down.
Yeah, it was to create the magical feel, you know, or when you go to a romantic
restaurant, you know, you don't want this Intimidation like lighting up all
the pores on your face in like every little blemish you've got you want.
Shea Stewart: Yeah
Rupert Isaacson: candlelight to kind of you know
Shea Stewart: Yeah,
Rupert Isaacson: the best in you And it's so interesting that the therapeutic
environments that we work in are not lit like that and I'm thinking back
to when I was a boy although in our stable yard, yeah, we had electricity.
There was no, like, big light that came on when you went out into
the stable yard, like, the sort of stuff that's just so ubiquitous now.
I remember when those came in, you know, and we put one in, and it was awful.
Awful.
And people got very excited.
Oh, yes, great.
Because we can really see what we're doing at night now.
And I remember thinking, Oh, yeah, but it's so harsh.
It hurts.
Yeah, all that we went out with torches, or we went out with
actually kerosene lanterns.
Yeah.
But of course, there's how to, you know, the problem of, well, what if you
dropped it and set fire to your plan?
There were some limitations to those.
But nonetheless, things felt more human.
Okay, so
if this type of lighting, for example, Oh, just one, one last
thing about people keeping their horses in an ideal situations.
I was just doing a, this is a tip for people.
If, if you're in this position, I saw something really good in Rotterdam.
I was just in very urban situation in the Netherlands a few weeks ago.
And These guys, they've got no, no grazing at all.
They've got a covered arena, and then they've got an area of maybe 20
feet around it, which they fenced off that the horses can wander around in.
And that's it.
But the horses have free access to wander in and out, which is interesting.
And one of the first things they do in the morning, so the horses stand on sort
of wood chippings, but the wood chippings often get churned up and a bit muddy.
And so there's dry areas, wet areas, this sort of thing.
And the first thing which the person coming in to sort of do the horses in
the morning did was go cut a bunch of willow because of course it's, it's The
Netherlands so everything is even in even urban there's water and willows kind of
everywhere young ones and just cut cut cut cut cut cut and then Chuck that in
for the horses to graze on nibble on browse on and of course as we know willow
is also medicinal It's also deals with pain deals with it and several times in
the day They were going out and cutting stuff like this and sort of throwing
it in there to enrich the environment And then the other thing which we were
doing was a lot of what we call crazy time, which is just flat out encouraged
interactive play with the horses, effectively free jumping in groups but
changing the obstacles every two minutes to keep the horses like, Ooh, a new thing.
Ooh, you know, and and then making these into the therapy sessions
themselves so that instead of trying to think oh shit I've got to do the
crazy time before the kids come.
It's like no no No We're gonna do that with with the kids and keep
them safe while we do it and teach them horsemanship and teach them math
because we're gonna Measure out the distances and the heights and da da
da and then we're gonna do physics.
We're gonna do speed by getting distance over time You know, timing them.
We know how many meters it is down that long side.
How fast are they going?
How fast can you run down that thing?
And so we found ways to incorporate this kind of well
being into this non ideal area.
I just wanted to throw that in there because, you know, a lot of
us are dealing with less than ideal.
Shea Stewart: I also, I know some, somebody who feeds in
the winter feeds her horse.
Just whatever is around in nature.
So that's the other thing is we, we end up feeding them hays that are imported.
Sometimes you have to, but I would encourage people to feed try to get
grass hays that are grown as local as possible or as close to your
latitude as possible because the, our mitochondria looks at food.
As an electron, a light source.
Rupert Isaacson: Hmm.
Shea Stewart: So in, in the quantum world, eating out of season
and the non local food is, can actually be considered a toxin.
So like if you live in Germany, you should not be eating a pineapple
was imported from Costa Rica.
In December,
because you're, you're sending your body the wrong light signaling and it's the
same with horses, try to get them food.
That's as local as.
Seasonal is possible.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
It's, it's interesting.
We go out, we we're in a big apple growing area in this bit of
Germany that we're in right now.
A lot of the apples go un harvested and a lot of them in
our area are heirloom there.
Old, old varieties.
Mm-hmm . And so a lot, a lot of the orchards aren't even tended anymore.
Oh.
And so one of the things I do with the kids that come in the
winter is we go and we collect apples and pears that have fallen.
And fill up great wheelbarrows with them.
And it's cool, because we get to see that the wild boar have also
been there before us, and they've been, you know, chewing it up.
So you learn a lot.
And then we have throwing matches to throw them into the areas where the horses are.
You can throw them, you can bounce one off the roof.
You can, and I've got horses that you can bounce them off
the horse and they don't care.
It's like, can you get one off Hidalgo's butt, you know?
And they love it, of course.
And, but of course, what we're doing is giving the horses brows that they
would normally have access to that.
Maybe they might not because I don't happen to own that, that orchard.
I can't tell you that.
And one can have a lot of fun with this kind of thing.
It's interesting that you talk about things as a source of light and
electrical energy, food, and so on.
I think this is something that's really good to draw people's attention to.
That everything does come down to light at the end of the day.
And that's a really hard thing to get your head around, is that, that's not
light, that's an apple, or that's not light, that's a doughnut, you know or
that's a thing that's dense and solid and absorbs light, or reflects light off
it perhaps, but it's not itself light.
But of course, everything kind of is light.
Can you explain to layman's terms why sort of everything is light?
In a way that doesn't make them just think, oh, this is weird.
Shea Stewart: Yeah well, everything, you can look at it as a frequency.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Everything has an electrical frequency, that is true.
You can plug a battery into a potato, for example.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, exactly.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: Even, yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: So what you're saying is some frequencies are
good for you and some are not.
Shea Stewart: Correct.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: And our, and this is something
This is just not, not something that's, it's, it's been studied a lot.
Robert O.
Becker, John Ott, there's all kinds of scientists that have studied this.
Unfortunately, it's not been adapted into our healthcare system because To
improve mitochondrial function, there's not really a profit and, and things for
us to do, like get outside, ditch your sunglasses, turn the Wi Fi off at night,
you know, all those things are free.
These are free things we can do to improve mitochondrial function.
And there, and we look
at mitochondria can, they can be looked at as our sixth sense, because they.
They sense that the electromagnetic fields around us, they sense the lights and they,
they do things with that information.
It's all information that, that our bodies receiving to.
To do special things, and one of the most important things that our body
does with that information is make internal water, our internal fluid
body, and then there are things that prevent our mitochondria from doing
that, and those are the non native EMS,
Rupert Isaacson: the electromagnetic fields.
Shea Stewart: The ones that are not, are man made are, are causing
mitochondrial damage and preventing our fluid body, preventing our
mitochondria from making the water it needs, the water that our cells need.
Our internal water is, is actually more important than the water we drink.
And it's like, you can look at our fluid body or our internal water as.
As a part of our anatomy, it's an anatomical structure, so to speak,
that gets highly ignored, yet it's very important to, to have that inner
hydration for everything to be optimal.
Rupert Isaacson: Why might we want to turn off the Wi Fi at night?
Shea Stewart: Well, so, like I said earlier, our, the only electromagnetic
field that our body recognizes is comes from the sun and the earth and
there's a spectrum like the Schumann resonance is, is anywhere from 7.
83 to 20 hertz, you know, fluctuates and our alpha wave of our brain is 7.
83 hertz.
And so we, you know, those, that's a resonance that we're supposed
to be part of the geomagnetic pulse, the mayor wave is, is 0.
1 Hertz, which is that six.
Cycles per minute thing that I talked about earlier, the, the motion of our
cranial rhythmic impulse, the motion that our, our cerebral spinal fluid, the,
the, the measurement of that wave going up down our spine is 7 cycles a minute.
Rupert Isaacson: By the way, for listeners, it's called a Schumann
Resonance, not because the German composer Schumann wrote his beautiful music to
this resonance, because it sounds like it ought to be, oh, a resonance by Schumann.
That sounds very nice.
It's actually after Otto, another German, Otto Schumann or Wiener Fried
Schumann who first studied the theoretical aspects of the global resonance as the
earth ionosphere wave guide system known today as the Schumann res resonance.
And in 1952 to 1954, Schumann together with Aman Konig attempted
to measure the resident frequencies.
But it was not until measurements were made by some called.
Beiser and Wagner in 1960 to 1962, the adequate analysis techniques were
available to extract the resonance information from the background
noise since Then there has been an increasing interest in Schumann
resonances in a variety of fields.
So yeah, it's, this is, this goes back to early 20th century science.
It's not something new and it's not invented by hippies like Rupert.
Yeah.
Or sadly, by the composer Schumann.
But what's interesting is what you're talking about.
They're slowing things down effectively.
That Something like 5G, it's fast, right?
It's, that's the whole point.
It's
Shea Stewart: supposed to be.
Yeah.
Lemme Yeah, I, I was just looking for my building biology notes.
I don't know if I can find them this quick, but basically
wifi is like what, 2.5
to five gigahertz.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
Shea Stewart: So a Hertz.
Is one vibration
per second?
Is it one vibration per second or per minute?
That's what I wanted.
A minute
Rupert Isaacson: sounds very slow.
I'm looking it up with you.
So it's quite good listeners.
We're not pretending to be gurus here.
Yeah, I mean.
We need to consult our notes too.
So, what, how fast, what speed?
Is
one cycle per second
Shea Stewart: per second, one vibration per second.
So a gigahertz.
And this is why I wanted to look at my building biology notes because I
have a oh, I know where I have it.
It's like 1 billion vibrations per second.
Rupert Isaacson: That's quite fast.
Yeah.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
So
if you think about that vibration on our biology,
Rupert Isaacson: I see.
Shea Stewart: When we're the fastest the fastest one we're
used to is maybe up to 100 Hertz,
Rupert Isaacson: right?
Shea Stewart: Probably probably but the
Rupert Isaacson: earth and the Sun it's roughly in the six to seven range, right?
And
Yeah, the alpha brainwaves state which is the sort of meditative
state yes Eight to twelve.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, about seven.
It's the same as a human resonant.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
Okay.
And then the beta brainwave, which is our sort of cheerful.
All right.
All right, Shay.
Cup of tea, cup of tea show.
How do you like your tea?
Milk, no sugar.
Lovely jubbly.
That sort of functional, cheerful going through life.
That's our seems to be our fastest functional one between 12
and 35 hertz.
It's a big range, but it can also.
Be it's your your attention's on but there can be anxiety involved
with that one alpha brainwave very relaxed Passive attention.
That's 8 to 12 theta brainwave.
Do you put meditation 4 to 8 hertz?
Now we're going down below
Shea Stewart: Yeah
Rupert Isaacson: The Schumann resonance, deeply relaxed, inwardly
focused, and then the delta, which is
Shea Stewart: 0.
5
Rupert Isaacson: to 4, which is rapid eye movement sleep, right?
Shea Stewart: Yeah, and that, that 0.
1 Hertz, which is the same motion of our cerebral spinal fluid.
Right,
Rupert Isaacson: okay.
Shea Stewart: So the, yeah, those are, those are the frequencies.
Now
Rupert Isaacson: talk to us about cerebral spinal fluid and frequencies,
because I know cerebral spinal fluid
a couple of angles.
One is that the more of it you have, isosacral rocking is a good thing
for that because it makes you produce more of it, your stem cells that
replace the dead cells of your heart and brain, which are all neurons, get
replaced more efficiently, a bit like a factory conveyor belt operating better.
So if you've got more cerebral spinal fluid, that's just all happening better.
The cerebral spinal fluid is also a crash.
Sort of not helmet, but a shock absorber between your skull and your brain.
That's quite useful for those of us that like to fall off horses, and, Also, it
can, it makes your spine more elastic, so it's to do with your biological age,
you know, you, you, you feel appear and actually sort of are biologically
younger when you have more of it.
And of course, within that, there's, there's also the theory
that around the pineal gland, you were talking about melatonin being
whether serotonin, the pineal gland, among other things, you know.
changes our serotonin into melatonin.
Sera gets us up in the morning.
Mel puts us to bed at night.
That's very nice.
But if there's enough cerebral spinal fluid pressing around the pineal gland
it can cause that melatonin to go through another molecular shift and
become dimethyltryptamine through an electrical charge, through friction of
little crystals being rubbed together in the pineal gland, pushed by that.
Fluid from the outside and of course dimethyltryptamine DMT is strong
hallucinogen and makes us see God and angels and things That's all rather nice
There's much more to cerebral spinal fluid than that and liquid intelligence
these frequencies To slow things down or to speed things up if the
cerebral spinal fluid is one of the intelligent liquids in our bodies
helping mitochondria Do its thing.
Well, how does a slow frequency Beneficially affect of light or whatever
Back to the lighting in the barn or the 5G that might be floating about How
does slowing that down, so changing the lighting, switching off the Wi Fi at
night Help the cerebral spinal fluid do its thing better for the mitochondria
And how does speeding it up not help?
Shea Stewart: So
Rupert Isaacson: in verse, please Shakespearean verse,
Shea Stewart: I'll try my best to do that.
Rupert Isaacson: There was a young man from Australia, sorry,
Shea Stewart: if you break it down even more quantum and go and
think about the water in our body,
water has been proven now that it carries information, it holds, it stores memory.
It transmits information that's what cerebral spinal fluid does as well.
It's like a liquid, liquid crystalline structure
and
we need our, one of like the rocking the, the sacral rocking it does.
It, it does enhance the cerebral spinal fluid flow, but another
thing that that's doing is it's.
Is.
Helping the mitochondria produce electrons is one of the ways we
get electrons is through movement,
Rupert Isaacson: okay?
Shea Stewart: And
Rupert Isaacson: yeah, like a dynamo battery friction produces.
Yeah movement.
Shea Stewart: Yeah
Rupert Isaacson: Okay,
Shea Stewart: and then the other ways we get electrons is through light
frequencies So if these frequencies are too fast from Wi Fi I finally found my
building biologist notes Okay, later Wi Fi
5G.
Yeah, Wi Fi is good in the gigahertz range range.
Mobile phones are in the gigahertz range.
So when we're when we're getting bombarded with those pulses.
It's preventing our mitochondria from making the internal water we need.
It's also just, which that will then disrupt the flow of cerebral spinal fluid.
It destructures the water, because remember this, our water, our
internal water needs to be in a structured, coherent state,
which means it, it has geometric patterning within the water molecule.
And, and when that, when we get bombarded with these electromagnetic
fields that are not native.
It destructures that water, so
Rupert Isaacson: it loses it, smashes up the crystalline.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, they, they lose their ability to communicate with that carries
Rupert Isaacson: the information
Shea Stewart: to
Rupert Isaacson: do its thing.
Shea Stewart: It's like a tuning fork.
If you hit a tuning fork, the tuning fork that has that same
vibration will, will vibrate.
Rupert Isaacson: Mm.
Shea Stewart: Or if you have a that's kind of what the water's doing as it,
and it goes through our, our body way faster than biochemistry can move.
So, you can also think of it as a symphony orchestra.
And all of a sudden, you know, the clarinet, the reed broke and
it's squeaking instead of playing.
And then the guy's freaking out.
So he can't play anymore.
And there's this tune that's, that doesn't flow, right.
It's going to disrupt the whole sound coming from that orchestra.
That's, that's, what's happening.
And, and our body when we're, we're getting exposed to these
things and, and we're all exposed to them because it's everywhere.
All we can do is try to try to mitigate it as best we can.
And there it's when, when our body is not able to make the internal water, we need
the cells lose that positive charge and then then health declines.
How is
Rupert Isaacson: that linked to inflammation and autoimmune?
Shea Stewart: Well, that's where it all starts.
Inflammation is bulk water.
Inflammation is water that no longer has a structure.
Rupert Isaacson: Ah, so if you disrupt the crystalline structure, of
the water that is carrying all this biological information around and is
electrically charged in a certain way to put that information into action.
If you disrupt that with stuff that's too fast, it becomes bulk
water and builds up rather than flowing through, and that's inflammation.
And then that triggers autoimmune stuff as well as chronic pain,
mitochondrial disorders, fibromyalgia.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, and yeah, fibromyalgia, MS and my one of my
quantum biology groups, there's a lot of people that are very sick in these and
just by addressing their mitochondria health, they're getting better.
So I know a couple of people that have diagnosed MS and it's, they don't
have any signs of it anymore just by.
They had to make huge changes.
I mean, that a lot of people, you know, might not be able to, but just
by in, in fibromyalgia and I mean, all kinds of autoimmune things.
It's, it's just a mitochondrial dysfunction.
So we, we need to learn ways to.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
So if we're working in environments where.
There's just a ton of shit lighting and adding to that maybe you've got some
power lines nearby and adding to that, maybe you've got 5G floating about
and adding to that, you've got this and adding to that, you've got that,
you can expect some knock on effects.
In yourself for non well being, for your horses in non well being,
and for the clients that you're working with in non well being.
That I get.
So, we looked at some potential mitigating solutions.
You said you could change the lighting, you could make it redder, you could make
it more natural, you could make it more from the ground up, not from the top down.
You said you could switch off the Wi Fi at night.
Shea Stewart: The Wi Fi is huge and, and then, and especially for
children, if what about lights,
Rupert Isaacson: what about security lights that come on and off and
that sort of thing through, let's say it's in the barn, you know, and
there's lights coming on and off, or
Shea Stewart: I would change them to red bulbs.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Okay.
So if you feel that you've got to have a security light, change it to a red bulb.
Yeah.
At least if that's coming on and off.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, you can easily get red bulbs.
Some people even get lighting reptile lighting from the pet stores.
Rupert Isaacson: Ooh.
Shea Stewart: Cause those have, you can get different spectrums.
Oh
Rupert Isaacson: yeah, the ones that you use to hatch chickens.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, those, and then there's UV lights and yeah, there's
all kinds of lights for lizards.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
And those are okay after dark if they come on?
Shea Stewart: Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Yeah, I mean, you don't want them on.
You want your lights low at night.
You don't want these, you know, bright
blinding lights and, and people, I hear people complain that they, they
don't see well, you know, they, they, they don't have a good night vision.
And that's a direct symptom of.
Having too many lights on at night, and not getting, and wearing sunglasses
during the day, so your, your pupils are losing that ability to, to fully dilate
or fully contract so you can see properly.
Rupert Isaacson: One of the other things which we often encourage people to do
with, say, horseboy movement method is work outside, and the reason For that
is just fewer bad sensory triggers, of course, in nature, because we're an
organism who have designed for nature.
So do we want to be in an arena, which is relatively sterile, or if possible,
do we want to be out on planet Earth, where, you know, we're supposed to
be, and also we want the child or the.
person to respond to the natural world because that
puts your brain on high alert.
We want them walking places across fields or on woodland paths where they
have to think a bit about where they put their feet because that creates
the protein BDNF in the brain, brain derived neurotrophic factor, increases
cognitive function, blah, blah, blah.
But what I hadn't thought about it from a point of view before is of
course if one goes outside then one can get away from some of these Not
so good what you're calling EMFs.
So if one is working with one's clients constantly in arena, client comes
in, in the arena, Bobob, there's your session, 10 minute break for a cup of
tea, another client comes in for the arena, Bobob, before you know it you've
look up and you've spent 10 hours in an arena and so have your horses.
Is another reason to get out of the arena for your work so that
you can help your mitochondria?
Shea Stewart: Oh, yeah, you need to be out in that natural light
Rupert Isaacson: It's something because you know, we think oh, yeah
natural light vitamin d people get that but It's a relatively new concept.
I think for a lot of people this idea.
It'll help your mitochondria So what again just because this is new for people.
I know for you.
This is you've gone where you live in that rabbit hole, but
You've got very long ears.
Now they're very fetching.
The For people who are still getting to grips with that, why is
being outside going to help their mitochondria, and therefore help them
with chronic pain, autoimmune, blah, blah, blah, and their horses too, skin
conditions, dah, dah, dah, you know, why is the outside going to help?
Shea Stewart: Because we're circadian animals.
Okay.
We, we need to be in sync with the sun, the light from the sun, the different
rays from the sun, the different light spectrums, and we need to be
in sync with the darkness at night.
And whenever we move away from that, we're disrupting our circadian rhythm.
And when that's disrupted, that's when health declines.
There's, there's been a lot of studies on shift workers.
And there are things that even shift workers can do with mitigating
disrupting the circadian rhythm.
It just depends on, you know, what their shift work is.
But for people, another thing you can do, of course, this doesn't help horses.
If you're working in barns at night, you can get blue blocking glasses.
Rupert Isaacson: Blue blocking glasses.
Interesting.
Tell us.
Shea Stewart: So blue light blocking glasses.
There's a lot of different companies that make them.
You just have to make sure that they test them.
So you can't go to Walmart and get a pair of blue blocking readers.
They have to be like the, the blue, the daytime blue blocking
glasses are yellow lenses.
The nighttime blue blocking glasses are red lenses.
And You can also get orange lenses, lenses for like in the morning or in the evening.
If you still have a couple hours before you want to start winding down for bed
the light that comes through our eyes, so I mentioned before, we have
a nucleus that goes from our eye to our hypothalamus and that's that
basically sets our circadian clock.
The suprachiasmatic nucleus.
And we also have aromatic amino acids.
We have non visual photoreceptors in our eyes, but also all over
our body, all over our skin.
So our, that's why sunglasses are not good, because Your eyes and your skin
need to be on the same circadian rhythm.
Rupert Isaacson: Right,
right.
No, this makes perfect sense.
And, and this brings me back to something else I wanted to highlight
with your point about circadian rhythms.
I, you need your proper sleep cycles.
I, you need darkness, whether you're a horse or whether you're a human or
the human that you're serving that, let's say we're giving advice to people
to what to do when they can go home,
cerebral spinal fluid.
I just want to draw people's attention to this.
It's If you sleep well at night, it's like a dishwasher for your brain,
will flush waste material out of your brain and they can now look at this on
scans, it's not, it's all quite recent, type it into Google, it's, it's, it's,
whatever, it's well researched, it's, it's, it's, it's nothing, woo woo.
The glymphatics,
Shea Stewart: the glymphatics.
Rupert Isaacson: Right, so the National Institute of Health, you know, has got
a whole thing on it now and, but the role of age, sleep, and cerebral spinal
fluid, melatonin plaques in the brain, needing to, you know, Flush those things
out that one can't do that if one's not in a proper circadian rhythm It's
the cerebral spinal fluid that's doing that that cerebral spinal fluid has
to be as you say positively structured and charged and the Mitochondria in
there has to be optimal but we can do all of that by kind of changing
our lighting and being outside more
Shea Stewart: Yeah, yeah, because our, that, that cleaning that our cerebral
spinal fluid does for our brain at night is our cerebral spinal fluid is
on a circadian rhythm and it relies on melatonin to be released and melatonin
is not only made in our pineal, pineal gland, it's also made in our mitochondria.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay,
Shea Stewart: and
and it's being made all day long and then it's the night the darkness
at night that tells it to Release
Rupert Isaacson: got it.
Shea Stewart: And if we don't have that darkness at night
the melatonin does not release.
Therefore, the cerebral spinal fluid doesn't do its job
of cleaning out the brain.
The glymphatic system gets sluggish.
It's the same with eating at night.
At night, our body starts to shut down so it can go into all the healing and
repair that it needs to do when we sleep.
That's what, that's what sleep is for us.
And if we eat past dark, that's when people tend to get a lot of GI problems
because Their body is Is trying to shut down and things get the digestion
actually gets slower at night,
Rupert Isaacson: right?
I'm also something else that just occurred to me some of us, you know You do if you
do get your circadian rhythm broken at night and you go for a daytime nap that
can also help reset this For I was just looking at something from Johns Hopkins
Medical Institute them saying that yes, you can you can get this cerebral
spinal fluid flush of your brain thing happening with a a sort of 30 to 90
minute nap in the middle of the day.
But I do believe that it's still so we should do that by the way.
So go nap everybody now pull over and go have a nap.
But it's the nighttime sleep.
That's the big one though, right?
Yeah.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
And there are things that we can do that are easy.
So And the, the complaint I hear is from parents who have kids or kids
go to bed and that's when they get their little me time or whatever.
And they're most people's wind down time.
Now, nowadays is scrolling on their phone, scrolling on
their computer or watching TV.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
Shea Stewart: And the thing that we haven't talked about, we talked about
the lights, but we didn't talk about the lights on the screens and the, the, all
these tech devices, TVs, computers, phones are backlit with this intense blue light.
And that's going to disrupt your circadian rhythm.
And it's also, it also has a flicker.
And it's also
is, can cause eye damage.
People get afraid of the sun for eye diseases, but it's not the sun.
It's, it's the text screens and the lights on at night.
And there, there's a program, a software program called Iris Tech that you can
download on your computer, and it not only gets rid of the flicker, but it changes
color based on what time of day it is.
So, at night, the computer looks red.
So, like, right now, mine's kind of an ambery color.
And then your cell phones, you can put I have mine where it's
I'm having a bad tech day, but I can, I can put mine.
I don't know if you can see.
Oh,
Rupert Isaacson: yeah.
You're holding it up.
Yeah.
Her cell phone is looking pretty red.
Okay.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
And this is what I do once it starts to get dark.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: But I also wear glasses that block the blue.
Okay.
The first, when I first started learning this.
It just made so much sense to me because of my history in the cranial world.
But the first thing I did was I bought some red blue blocking glasses.
And I put those on at night because I sat down, watched TV and I put on those
blue blocking glasses and like within an hour, I was ready to go to bed 30 minutes.
Maybe I was tired and I slept.
And that morning I woke up when the sun came up and I was like,
completely rested.
I wasn't tired.
I didn't have to drag my ass out of bed and go drink coffee.
I was just up and I felt good.
And the second thing I incorporated was getting outside to watch the sun rise.
And those two things have been life changing for me.
And they're easy to do.
Rupert Isaacson: Do you do that even in winter?
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: When the sun is rising very early?
Sorry, even in summer when the sun is rising very early?
Shea Stewart: Yep.
Rupert Isaacson: Do you then go back to bed?
Nope.
Okay.
So that means you have to make sure that you got to sleep.
Because if you go to, in mid summer, if you go to sleep at
sunset, That could be where I live.
That's 10 o'clock at night and you got up with the dawn.
That's 4am.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, it's that's the thing when you live the further away
you get from the equator, the more unstable your light environment is.
So you do have to mitigate those things.
I'm a little closer to the equator, so it's a little more stable, but
I do try to at least be out when UVA is rising and UVA is all year round,
no matter where you are on the planet, the, the light that you don't get in
the more northern latitudes is UVB.
Rupert Isaacson: What is UVB?
Shea Stewart: UVB is the light that basically when it, it touches
our skin, it tells the cholesterol in our skin to make vitamin D.
It's not really a vitamin, it's a hormone.
But UVB is what makes D, and it's also what builds the microbiome in our gut.
Rupert Isaacson: So if we live in the more northerly
latitudes, what do we do to Well,
Shea Stewart: you don't, you don't need, if you're, if you're an uncoupled
haplotype, you don't really need.
Rupert Isaacson: If you're a what?
Shea Stewart: A haplotype.
So you're either.
Everybody's either a coupled haplotype or an uncoupled haplotype.
That's
Rupert Isaacson: a very personal
Shea Stewart: thing to say.
I know.
Uncoupled haplotypes are basically people who come from more northern latitudes.
Rupert Isaacson: What does that mean?
Shea Stewart: Coupled.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
Shea Stewart: It's just how your mind It's how to your mitochondria make energy.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: So a coupled haplotype would be someone from an equatorial country.
They've got more melanin in their skin and their mitochondria needs more UV
light to make energy than ours does.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: Like look at some of the strongest people
on the planet are Sherpas.
They're, they're not too far from the equator and they live in high elevations.
So they're getting a lot of UV and a lot of magnetism.
So they're really, they're very strong people.
And when you're uncoupled, that just means you're from a more northern
latitude, uncoupled haplotypes.
use UV and cold.
So in the wintertime, your vitamin D that you make in the summertime, if you're
getting sun on your skin without sun on bare skin with no lotions or anything and
you're building your vitamin D, it, it, it stores in your body for the winter.
So you get up to a certain amount and then you store it, but you also can
make, they're, they're finding that there, there's some new studies that
they're finding that cold exposure helps your body with the vitamin D as well.
It, it, I don't know if it helps your body make it or if it
helps your body store it better.
But in the winter time, we don't really, if you're, if you're from a more northern
latitude, you don't need to mitigate UVB.
Although some people do get those lights.
You can get a spurty lamp or an EMR tech.
They have those are lights that people get that have the different spectrums in
them and, and some people do use those.
in the winter but you don't really have to because you want to think what,
what is natural for your mitochondria, what's natural for where you're from.
And where you currently live, and that would be maybe getting more sleep in
the winter and doing more cold exposure.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
I'm just reading here.
Good health and immune function can be at risk in winter.
However, the cold exposure that coincides with the nadir, the lowest
point in seasonal blood serum.
Vitamin D might compensate by stimulating mitochondrial production
of ultraviolet light inside the cell, thus activating vitamin D production
inside brown fat and other cells.
This is what cold exposure can do.
Interesting.
Yeah,
Shea Stewart: well, cold exposure tells your mitochondria to
produce UV light, which is heat.
Rupert Isaacson: I see to warm up.
Right.
Got it.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: Also fills you with endorphins.
Shea Stewart: It can release some endorphins.
Yeah.
And you have to be careful with cold exposure.
I mean, I don't agree with the whole Huberman lab 47 degrees
or 11 minutes a week, because
everybody's different, everybody's.
N equals one is different.
So for some people that would put you in a complete cortisol stress.
Technically, anything that's below our body temperature
is considered cold exposure.
So you could, if it's 60 degrees, you could take a walk outside for an
hour and that would be cold exposure.
Rupert Isaacson: Not if you're wearing an Arctic fleece, right?
I mean, how would you get that cold, what would you wear at 60
degrees to get cold exposure?
Shea Stewart: I would probably, I mean, I take walks when it's 35,
40 and I'll wear a pair of shorts And a sweatshirt and tennis shoes.
Rupert Isaacson: And how long will that walk be?
By the way, 3540 she means, um, Fahrenheit.
Shea Stewart: Fahrenheit, yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: Jolly chilly if you're a Celsius person.
That's, that's just about like two or three degrees.
Yeah.
Celsius, yeah.
Shea Stewart: But I'm cold adapted, so.
And I would need at least 40 minutes of that to get a, a true cold thermogenic.
Rupert Isaacson: a howling wind with horizontal sleet?
Shea Stewart: No, I'm not that crazy.
Rupert Isaacson: Well, because again, you, I mean, just so listeners understand, I'm
talking to you from winter in Germany.
You're talking from winter in Texas, which is a Mediterranean winter.
It's not that you can't get very cold in Texas, but it blows in and it blows
out and it doesn't last very long.
The cold here, it's different.
So we're in the sort of North Atlantic weather systems, mid continental.
So it can get.
Damn cold.
And it's cold, nasty, like, you know, howling wind rain that'll
cut through you like a knife.
Should I go out in my t shirt and shorts in that?
Shea Stewart: No, I wouldn't.
You don't, you don't know how I'm going
Rupert Isaacson: to get my cold exposure.
I am outside in that all day.
Shea Stewart: I mean, yeah, you're going out and you're cold
and, and it's, and that's okay.
I mean, that's, it's okay to be cold.
That's what I'm saying.
It's good for your mitochondria.
You can go out in that and bundle up, but you're still getting cold, right?
Rupert Isaacson: Exactly.
Well, of course, even like today I was on horseback and the wind was Doing his
thing and you know, just the front of your face is getting a proper scrape, you know,
it's you know, the, the, the ice thing is just going all across, you know, and that,
Shea Stewart: yeah, that's the best place to get cold is your face.
Is that right?
Okay.
Why is
Rupert Isaacson: that?
Shea Stewart: It's, it's has to do.
I don't remember exactly.
It has to do with what's being stimulated with the cold on your forehead.
Rupert Isaacson: Prefrontal cortex chilling or something
that brain brain freeze.
I
Shea Stewart: think because that triggers some receptors that help
your mitochondria produce the light.
So some people who can't do cold exposure, they do face dunks and ice.
Rupert Isaacson: Oh, interesting.
So I've just looked it up, of course.
Cold water therapy, skin health.
Promotes collagen production, apparently.
Counteracting stress factors.
So, actually, it's good for your wrinkles and your skin
firmness, cold water immersion.
But also, lymphatic drainage.
So, I guess that's what, taking, getting rid of inflammation.
So, okay.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, it also it it helps your bulk water structure.
Rupert Isaacson: I see.
Shea Stewart: That's another thing that cold,
Rupert Isaacson: but here's so here's the question So you don't agree with
the human huberman labs stuff of these?
Are you talking about ice baths there?
You talking about like stuff?
So some people we know people who are great ice bath evangelists and but they
would put their hand on their heart and say Rupert, I feel so much better,
and I'm so much healthier, and I'm so much stronger with my ice baths.
And then I know other people who'll hold up a crucifix and say get away
from me with your satanic ice bath.
Who's right?
Shea Stewart: Well, that's that's what I'm saying.
Is everybody
Rupert Isaacson: right?
Because it depends on your metabolism.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, everybody's n equals one is different.
Everybody's mitochondrial health is in a different place.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: And you can't
Rupert Isaacson: How do you know if an ice bath is good for you or not?
You just have to try and see what your reaction is.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
If, if it's too stressful, don't do it.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
So now what if your ice bath coach is like, no, no, you can do it.
Should you do it?
I
Shea Stewart: would get a different ice bath coach.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: Because I don't think, I mean, I'm looking
at mitochondrial function.
If there's somebody who's encouraging you and you really want to do it.
Yeah.
But is, is dipping down and getting up within one minute.
beneficial.
I don't think it's, it's probably beneficial to your willpower.
You know what, what you, what you learn that you can handle, which is huge.
Our, our emotional our emotions are huge around that.
And that has a lot that can have a big effect on our
health and our cellular health.
But if you want to do cold thermogenesis that improves mitochondrial function,
you have to have a longer exposure.
But the temperature depends on your n equals one.
It depends on your mitochondrial health.
If you're, if you have autoimmune disease and you've got some other
health problems because of that, I wouldn't go jump in an ice bath.
I would start really slow because what you don't want is your cortisol to spike.
Our, our cortisol is.
Spikes in the morning to get us up.
That's why going outside and getting the sun is good because it helps
tamper with the cortisol and it, it helps your body go, okay, we're up.
Now other things need to take over.
But if your cortisol is always spiked, then you're going
to get chronic inflammation.
And if you're, if you're forcing yourself,
Rupert Isaacson: cortisol brings down inflammation.
It's one of its jobs, right?
Is to bring down inflammation.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, but it.
It's it's, it's, it's not supposed to be there all the time.
Rupert Isaacson: Too much medicine.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
Too much.
Yeah.
So if you're doing, if you're doing ice baths and it's, it's, it's too much
cortisol, then you need to raise the temperature or do it a different way.
Rupert Isaacson: One of the things which I find difficult about an ice bath is
that you go in there and you don't move.
And for me, when I get that kind of shock to the system, my body
automatically wants to move.
So, for example, if I were to go into the cold ocean or a cold river, I
would be able to splash, move, go, jump around, you know, sort of thing.
Which brings my cortisol down, of course.
Yeah.
There's something to me, which is cortisol y, stress y about feeling confined in that
cold exposure suffering state.
But yet I know other people who love it.
Shea Stewart: Oh yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
There seems to be a real temperament thing.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
And, and you get addicted to it.
We get addicted to the cold.
And once you start using the sun more, you get addicted.
We're, we're meant to become addicted to the sun.
And we tend, we also get addicted to the cold and addicted.
I don't mean that in a.
Bad way.
It's just our body seeks that because it's healthy for us, but yeah, the
cold, I don't like, I've actually hurt my back worse doing ice baths and, and
I've, I've learned that it was because it was too cold and I was in a confined
state, so I was just sitting there.
You know, like frozen.
So, sometimes in the winter,
I'll get in my pool where I can move around.
Rupert Isaacson: How long will you do that for?
Shea Stewart: It depends on how cold it is, but usually around 20 minutes.
Rupert Isaacson: So, I guess, back to, I'm a therapeutic or equine
assisted person, it's winter.
Do I need to make sure I've got some time where I pull the rugs off the horses?
And let their body temperatures drop, let them get full vitamin D exposure
to the sun before I put the blankets back on for the rest of the day.
You know, it's interesting.
I grew up doing a lot of hunting, fox hunting.
Whatever.
Please don't kill me.
I gave it up.
But I still go out now with the artificial type of hounds, where we don't
actually hassle a live animal anymore.
But of course, that's done in the winter.
And often on horses that are clipped, because being super athletic while
they're out there, you don't want them overheating and You know, the sweat
falling up and give it, you know, chafing them and blah, blah, blah.
So they're partially shaved or fully shaved on the body.
And they're out three to six hours like that working in the winter.
in all weathers and they love it and they seem to do it till they're about
30 years old and come back in happy.
And then of course you rug them up at night particularly if they're clipped,
obviously they don't have the winter coat.
My horses now, the ones I'm, I'm not hunting them because I'm
not in an area where I do that, I let them have a winter coat.
But I don't want too much winter coat because again, I'm doing
quite a lot of athletic work.
I don't want them sweating too much in the winter and they live
outside anyway, so I do rug them.
But as much as possible, I do try to pull the rugs off.
Now, I was pulling the rugs off as much as possible in the daytime, just to let
them roll, get muddy, get, you know, the itches out, just because they like it.
But you are now saying that Or suggesting or are you, that there could
be a more mitochondrial based liquid intelligence based structure of the
intelligent water in the body based need for that exposure, particularly
in, in, in, in the short Sundays of winter to just make sure that they get
it on their skin for their optimal Yes.
Mitochondrial health.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
Shea Stewart: Pull the, pull the.
Rugs off in the winter and give them, give them, think of it as light
therapy, give them light therapy.
I mean, look at what's become so popular right now is red light therapy,
but red light comes from the sun.
You can just go out in the sun.
And if you're, if you're afraid of the UV.
If you just go out in the morning and in the evening is pure red and infrared.
There is no UV UV UV comes out, you know, once the sun starts rising
and the only UV that is has actually been shown to be damaging is UVB
and, but the studies that they did on that, they did it in isolation.
They isolated the UVB.
They didn't mix it with, okay.
Red and infrared from the sun.
But anyway,
red light getting out in the sun is the same as doing red light therapy.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: And actually old story, get outta that
Rupert Isaacson: arena.
Shea Stewart: Yep.
Get out as much as you can.
My, I have a dog that's.
Well, gosh, she's probably 19
Rupert Isaacson: now,
Shea Stewart: and she has good eyesight, good hearing, and she
started to get really itchy, like scratching all the time.
And this was about the time that I started my whole Quantum shift with my lifestyle
and I was going outside every morning and my, my dog would come with me and we'd
go out and I'd have my coffee outside and she would come out and sit with me.
She falls, she's with me everywhere.
And after about a week, she completely stopped scratching now.
Rupert Isaacson: Go ahead.
Sorry, then I've got a thought.
Shea Stewart: So that was that I firmly believe it was the the healing
light from the Sun
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Now you did earlier on about an hour ago You mentioned in summer not
using a flysheet or a fly mask I've got a couple of horses which if I do
that the flies will eat them alive literally tear their flesh and can't
not put a fly sheet on those horses and then the same for the fly mask.
They'll just suffer so terribly, like really suffer.
Other horses seem to sell through it.
What do I do in that situation?
And
Shea Stewart: the
Rupert Isaacson: other question is, can you get the same
beneficial effects from moonlight?
Shea Stewart: No, no, if
Rupert Isaacson: I pull the rug off at night in the summer, for example, no,
it has to be not getting reflected.
Nice UV light for their mitochondria.
So how do I help that horse out?
Because everyone's like this.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, my horse had an eye problem.
So I fly masked my horse.
I was I actually have a friend who was talking to somebody who makes
fly masks, and they were, were going to test them to see if they could
make some that, that don't filter out the UV because that's some of
the beneficial light that they need.
You could do like leave it off in the morning before the flies get bad, just put
it on later, you know, give them breaks.
That's what I tell people if you can, you know, I know people are busy and but
if you can give them breaks, give them a couple hours of that morning sun and that
evening sun when the flies are not so bad.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, yeah.
I'm thinking about, you know, horses that I have to put on far pastures.
and might have to ignore for a few days, you know.
And they're happy, they're roaming about there, but I'm
gonna leave, I'm gonna leave that.
Fly sheet on and that fly mask
Shea Stewart: chunks
Rupert Isaacson: of the missing, you know, from the flies.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
I mean, you have to, yeah, you have to use your, the things I wonder
is what is it about that horse?
That's attract attracting flies.
It's in one of my classes, they were talking about how people
who have gotten bitten by sharks.
Or even people who get bitten by mosquitoes are actually
leaking too much biophotons.
So the, the, the bio photons that we produce the light that we
produce, we hold on to that light.
And that's that creates energy in our system.
But when we're sick or compromised that.
We're not able to hold on to that light, so it starts to fly off of us and they
can actually see that in certain imaging.
There's actually a whole science behind there's a group of biofield scientists
who are measuring our biofields and so I wonder about horses because I had one
that, you know, my herd of five, one of them got completely taken eaten alive by
bugs, but the other one's not so much.
And, and he, he was a horse that he came from the primrose farm.
So he probably, you know, didn't have a good.
Development in utero, I would think that like his whole system was just weaker.
So, I wonder about horses that how some horses or or even even things like E.
P.
M.
that protozoa that that can cause a neurological problems.
You can have a herd of 20 horses in a field and only 1 of them will get
affected by that.
So, when I see that.
It's like, yeah, you want to keep them comfortable and you want them to not get
eaten up because it's miserable for them.
And then what do you, how do you, how do you give them the light that they need to,
to optimize their mitochondrial function?
And, and why are they?
Getting, why are, are those things getting attracted to them more?
And so
Rupert Isaacson: it's a really, it's a really interesting question.
We've asked ourselves this, this particular two horses in question.
The Lusitano's one was bred in Portugal.
One was bred in North Carolina.
I kept them in Texas.
They had no problem.
And it's buggy in Texas, as you know, you live in Texas in the summertime.
I moved here to Germany, which is a cooler climate.
I mean, it gets hot in the summer, but nothing like as hot, and not for as long.
High bug activity, different types of bug.
Brought seven horses, two suffered, two did not.
But the suffering only showed up after about four years.
They were grand and then they sort of weren't and obviously like all horse
owners I've tried this and I've tried that but I find that the, the main
thing is just to make sure that, you know, I keep them covered enough.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, and that, that timing would make sense if it's some kind
of mitochondrial dysfunction, because I think I mentioned earlier it, they
are dysfunctional, they can function.
I can never, I can never say the sentence correctly, mitochondria.
Not show any signs.
The body will not show any signs of dysfunction until the mitochondria
is operating at a 70 percent deficit.
It's like the electric transport chain that keeps them keeps that energy
production gets doesn't function right.
And when that slows down, cellular function declines.
So over and it takes time.
So it could be.
Something about their environment.
Rupert Isaacson: Yes, absolutely.
One of the things I need to look, I'm going to be looking at is selenium.
As you know, that's a whole tricky area with horses.
Because,
Shea Stewart: you
Rupert Isaacson: know, too much for too little, blah, blah, blah.
But I think there might be some deficiency there in our area.
But it's interesting.
I'm just going to dive down the rabbit hole now of, of When summer comes around
again of looking at how, well, how can I boost their mitochondrial health?
And I just going to be very interested to see, you know,
Shea Stewart: Yeah, because
Rupert Isaacson: they
Shea Stewart: make vitamin D as well, but it's a little different.
It, it, it comes on onto their fur and in their skin, and then they
release a serum and then they lick it.
You know, they lick, they groom each other.
One of the things they're doing is they're getting vitamin D.
Rupert Isaacson: Is that so?
Shea Stewart: Yeah, and dogs will, and cats will lick, get
the vitamin D that they produced.
Rupert Isaacson: I see.
So
Shea Stewart: that's another reason why they need that direct sunlight.
Rupert Isaacson: And the chance to groom each other.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, yep.
Rupert Isaacson: Even when they pull each other's manes out, really annoying.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
It's
Rupert Isaacson: like, guys, why do you have to do that?
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
Mutual, mutual grooming is, that's one thing that is not very well
known is that's one source of, that's one way they get their vitamin D.
Rupert Isaacson: Is that so?
Okay.
And what's really interesting, both those horses really go for the mutual grooming.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
And I always encourage it,
Rupert Isaacson: I never discourage it.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, yeah, they're probably lacking and that's the thing
is the quantum quantum health is studied in the human world It's not part of
centralized mainstream medicine like if you go your primary care physician
and You complain about being electro sensitive because you're suffering
from a mitochondrial dysfunction.
I don't think they'll know what to do with that.
Rupert Isaacson: No, it's so interesting, isn't it?
Yeah, there's a big disconnect between, say, the Mitochondrial Institute at
University of California, which is huge, which is one of the first things to
get behind us, and an average internal medicine doctor who you would think would
be exposed to all that Knowledge and not not at all like not neuroscience either.
Yeah,
Shea Stewart: it's not like they get like even eye doctors and I follow
a woman who's a quantum eye doctor.
And it's, it's not like doctors get a text message every time there's a
new study that comes out, it has to be, and they're all overworked anyway.
Rupert Isaacson: They have to be nerds that want to nerd out on that stuff.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, or, or yeah, they have to really, and the same with
our animals, there's really not much.
There, I think there's a woman in the UK, I can't remember her name right now,
but she's, she's starting to incorporate more quantum health and large animals.
And well,
Rupert Isaacson: that was my next question is where are the quantum vets?
And I'm going to hop on Google in a minute.
I also Googled while you were talking about bio photo photon loss.
Yeah.
I was like losing the light when you're sick.
It's like, is that a thing?
And I looked it up just now It's totally a thing.
I found Just a bazillion articles from various medical journals and again, jobs,
Johns Hopkins popped up and it just buh, So these things are being well studied.
These are not just fringe issues.
However, let's talk about something which sounds like a fringe issue.
We're approaching the two hour mark.
There's going to be more.
I'm going to want to ask, but I think we will have to come back again.
It's because our brains will be a bit blown.
You mentioned earlier.
Something about trying to ground maybe using a grounding sheet to help mitigate
some of the negative effects of being bombarded by too much of these other
electromagnetic fields, but that some of them can malfunction and actually make you
charge something called dirty electricity, dirty electricity when it's at home,
Shea Stewart: Dirty electricity.
Now, even a building biologist will say it's a building
Rupert Isaacson: biologist.
Shea Stewart: Yeah,
Rupert Isaacson: but a biologist who comes in and sort of assesses
your building, your, your, your home environment or your office environment.
Shea Stewart: Yes, they assess it for the different frequencies.
Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
Okay.
Shea Stewart: One of the things they can test for is dirty electricity
Rupert Isaacson: or
Shea Stewart: electricity is, is it's complicated.
But it's basically if there's faulty, a faulty wire if your wires are not
coded with I can't remember what it is, anything that's got a dual motor.
Like an air conditioning or a pool pump or refrigerator, these, these
things can, can emit dirty electricity and you can actually get a filter.
They say not to get the plug in filters for your plugs, because that
could scatter the dirty electricity more that you want to get a whole
house filter for your breaker box.
They are expensive.
But then, even then, you have to make sure you're not getting dirty electricity
from the power grid coming to your house.
Rupert Isaacson: So you make sure of that
Shea Stewart: get it tested by a building biologist.
They can test that.
And all I did, I Googled building biologists near me and I found somebody
and she came out and tested everything.
And so
Rupert Isaacson: Geiger counters or what?
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
These little different meters that measure like radio frequencies and
microwaves and radiation from wifi.
It's called
Rupert Isaacson: go ahead.
Sorry.
Shea Stewart: So
when we ground on the earth, we're gathering electrons.
You can also ground by touching trees.
And I'm testing the grounding by touching horses, even if you have shoes on,
I'm doing my own little case study on that.
And I have found that sometimes I can ground, or sometimes I'm grounded
just by touching them, even if I have shoes on, and sometimes I'm not.
And that could be my, how, how well hydrated I am.
But so basically that gives us electrons and our mitochondria need Like electrons
and are if we don't have enough electrons.
Our our body tries to find him wherever we can get them.
It's like a mother holding her sick baby.
She's giving her baby electrons.
By doing that we can steal electrons from other people if we're not
functioning optimally, or we can get our electrons stolen.
And
Rupert Isaacson: sounds
Shea Stewart: like
Rupert Isaacson: vampires.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
I mean, it's like, have you ever been around somebody and
then was exhausted afterwards?
Rupert Isaacson: How are they stealing my electrons?
Shea Stewart: They're, they're mitochondria sense that.
And we have what's called a biofield.
And that's a real thing too.
And it's, it's about three feet off our body.
Right.
This is well studied.
Yeah.
Yeah, and that can grab, you
Rupert Isaacson: know, just would that, would that be somebody who's not producing
enough electrons and they're like just trying to get it from wherever they can.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, people who never get electrons, which a lot of it,
a lot of us are electron deficient.
If we're living an indoor
Rupert Isaacson: vampires, people who live electron deficient lives.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, don't even realize it.
Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
If you're less likely to be an energy vampire, if they live their life outside.
Shea Stewart: Yep.
Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
So energy bound prism is a thing.
Shea Stewart: Yep.
And if you're if your circadian rhythm is off, you're not
getting the electrons you need.
So you're going to be Constantly trying to steal them for everywhere,
but going outside and grounding is a great way to get them.
And then, so now there's these grounding devices that we can use, like grounding
sheets that you mentioned earlier, but if you're plugging the sheet into the wall.
Because they'll, they'll plug into the ground of your, of your electricity,
if you plug it into the wall and you have dirty electricity, that dirty
electricity is looking for a place to ground and it's going to ground
right on you on the grounding sheet.
So, if you, if you have a grounding sheet, don't plug it into the wall,
get one of those little stakes you can plug into the earth outside.
And a little cord you can run through your window and, and make sure you don't have
any cables buried around where you put the stake, because the same thing can happen.
So, the best place would be by a tree, if you have that.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, I'm just checking again for listeners, the woo
woo factor, is dirty electricity real?
Turns out it is.
I'm looking at an article in Nature, which is obviously one of the big scientific
journals, says the term dirty electricity refers to the electromagnetic energy
flowing along a conductor that deviates from a pure 50 to 60 hertz sine wave.
The, what we think of as that woo woo wave that goes like that, not
woo woo, but I made that noise to denote that my, my finger making this
nice harmonious wave, and has both harmonic and transient properties.
Okay, so basically, power surges erratic spikes in energy,
stuff that isn't working.
Properly, as you said, perhaps sometimes with microwaves and things
although I do use microwaves a lot.
Hey, that's very convenient.
I
Shea Stewart: do too.
I use a microwave and I just don't stand by it.
Right.
We tend to stand in front and watch the seconds count down.
Rupert Isaacson: That's true.
So
Shea Stewart: I, I purposefully like move away and go do something
else because being standing in front of them, you're just getting that.
Rupert Isaacson: Getting cooked.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: You know, my way of grounding, what I do, of course,
is I spend as much time outside as I can with my feet on the ground.
Or sometimes if the weather is conducive, my whole body, I will starfish.
On any given piece of grass I can find.
And I'll do it in winter on a ground sheet.
And I'll do it, I do that with the kids that come to us from some of the schools
that send, you know, because it's like, you know, they're getting no chance.
And the other thing which I'll do a lot is take my shoes off, even in winter.
And I'll say, let's get Get muddy.
It's okay.
We won't die because we're also going to dry our feet off soon and put nice
woolly socks on again Why don't we and it's it's so interesting how this
seems to bring instant joy But I I'm understanding it now from a mitochondrial
light Intelligent liquid point of view now, which is very interesting so of
course, you know one of the in horse by method that one of the best things we can
ever do is camps and You know, where we see the biggest changes happen in kids
and families is when we go away, we camp, we take the horses, we camp, it's like
the journey we did in Mongolia, but not as difficult, but it's quite basic, and
people are sleeping on the ground and walking around on the ground and being
outside in nature all day and we tend to see The charm is, is if it's a three
night camp, that third night, the waking up after that third night seems to bring
a massive metabolic and brain change.
This has been beginning to give me insights into why.
So again.
If I'm an equine assisted practitioner, what am I learning here?
I'm learning that if I pay attention to mitochondria, I might find
good solutions for my horses.
I might find good solutions for my clients.
I might find good solutions for myself.
And the further I go into this, what, what makes good mitochondria?
Well, it seems nature does.
Light, natural light, you know, back, back to getting a bit
cold sometimes, being outside.
Back to what Temple Grandin told me, you know, go outside, go
outside, go outside, let them move.
Isn't it interesting how we can break down all of these things that
really just tell us, lads, your environment is out there on the planet.
In here, in front of this screen.
Don't know how many times I've got to tell you, but you're an organism.
You need a habitat.
It ain't here.
It's not in this tank.
It's out there.
And, feeling a bit shit?
It's because you're a zoo animal.
Get out there.
Into your habitat.
But, if we're raised in the zoo habitats, we don't know this, do we?
Shea Stewart: No, we don't.
And we're not taught this.
And we, we are meant to be grounded 24 hours a day.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
Shea Stewart: And how often are we getting that?
Rupert Isaacson: You know, the best I've ever felt is on long journeys in
nature, camping, living with Bushmen.
us on the ground.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, I used to go on wild camping trips and I looking back, I always
remember it was really hard to integrate, integrate back into the society.
Yeah.
And you know, the other thing that grounding does, I didn't
mention is our, our blood cells.
Our blood cells travel, you know, through our body in a vortex shape, and the cells
actually have that negative charge, so that means they push against each other.
And if we don't get grounding, we don't get that charge.
The blood cells start to clump together and they call, they
actually call it stacking.
So the cells start to stack and they've done, there's been some studies on
this where they took someone, you know, they drew blood, looked at it through
a microscope, took him out to ground.
And the one study that I recently read, she was out there 10 minutes, bare feet.
It was on a beach.
So you're going to get.
More when you're at the ocean, it came back and her, they drew blood,
looked at her blood cells and all, and they had that nice charge.
They were completely different.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
As always, the answers to the complicated questions seem to be quite simple.
Shea Stewart: Yes.
Nature does not lie.
Rupert Isaacson: Isn't it interesting how we'd also rather go to a store
and spend money on a product than just go outside and take our shoes off?
It's
Shea Stewart: I know, that's the thing.
We've got all these products now when we can just go outside.
We've got the red light, well we can just go outside.
We've got the grounding stuff, or we can just go outside.
And I think that's why kids do so well with horses, especially if they're
living an indoor lifestyle, because they're getting, they're getting the
grounding, they're touching the animal, they're getting the electrons, they're
getting the different rays of sunlight.
So there's, and there's science behind all of this.
And I encourage people to read it like if you're worried about eye
diseases or skin cancers, read, read the studies that are out there.
It's, it's, it's not it's, it's the indoor life that's causing these problems.
It's the artificial light.
We've been part of nature, you know, as long as How long have humans been
around and a lot of these diseases,
Rupert Isaacson: if you, if it's hominids that are not sapiens
sapiens, it goes into the millions.
Yeah.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
Millions.
Yeah.
Cause it's, it's
Rupert Isaacson: our species is, they think 300, 000, but we're just the
bottom end of a long chain of other ones.
Yeah.
Shea Stewart: Mammals.
How long have we been mammals?
I should say, cause
Rupert Isaacson: Since, I think, the Jurassic, the first mammals
appear, as far as I know.
Shea Stewart: Actually, didn't we Or is
Rupert Isaacson: it even Triassic?
Shea Stewart: So, as long as there's been mammals, we've had mitochondria,
and, and our mitochondria is designed to
Rupert Isaacson: 225 million years, and it is the late Triassic,
even before the Jurassic, wow.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, I've actually,
I've, I've seen graphs of health decline that
matched lighting environment
matched the increase in wifi and all that, like my phone, I don't have
the wifi on on my phone and I have, I turned some little thing off so it
won't, it won't attach to 5g towers.
And I don't use Bluetooth because that's the other thing that's even
like the worst of all of them.
Like those, yeah, those blue tooth.
earbuds, don't use them.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Why not
Shea Stewart: get the tube ones?
Because Bluetooth is another electromagnetic field.
And there's been studies on that where it's, it's degrading the melanin in
your ear and things like tinnitus and all kinds of stuff they're finding
linked to those Bluetooth earbuds.
Rupert Isaacson: What if you've got Bluetooth in your, you're listening to
you're mucking out your You're dancing or you're mucking out your, your stools
to a Bluetooth speaker off your phone?
Shea Stewart: I would hardwire it.
I know I'm taking all the fun away, especially if you like tech gadgets.
Rupert Isaacson: How would you hardwire it?
You'd, you'd, you'd plug a speaker into the phone?
Shea Stewart: Yeah, you can do like an auxiliary.
Rupert Isaacson: Mm hmm.
Shea Stewart: I've got an auxiliary cord and that's what
I plug my phone into my car.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: So I don't use Bluetooth.
And, and that made a big difference in how I felt because I drive a lot.
Rupert Isaacson: And
Shea Stewart: I always crack a window to let the light come in because
that's the other thing we didn't talk about is, is windows in a, in
a, because they're energy efficient, they're blocking out all the red light.
But if you just crack it a little bit.
It's like, imagine the light is, is an ocean outside, and you crack
a little bit, that water's going to come in and fill the room.
That's what the outdoor light will do.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, so you need ventilation not just for
oxygen, you need it for light.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, and there are, there's a company, I think it's
called Tech Wellness, they, they sell those ear, ear pods that are
attached with a tube to your phone.
So you're not using the Bluetooth.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay,
good to know.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, anything, anything, any smart device.
I've gone back to Ethernet and hardwiring things.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, it's tricky because, you know,
we all live on our phones.
We have to live on our phones.
We, we, you know, I'm checking for the next appointment.
We know when I'm out there, it's handy that I can be connected.
So I can do my emails and make a business call from the saddle.
You know, it's good outside, but
Shea Stewart: just don't keep your phone on your body.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: I
Rupert Isaacson: mean, where can I, where can I keep it if
I'm, if it's not on my body?
Shea Stewart: That, well, you know, what you can do is put it in airplane
mode when you're not using it and that at least will prevent you from being,
getting that radiation from the phone.
Rupert Isaacson: So for example, if you, you're a parent, you've got young kids,
you've got to be on call, you can't.
You don't have the luxury of switching off anymore.
You, you know, if someone gives you a call about your kids,
you've got to be there to take it.
Work calls, blah, blah, blah.
That phone has got to be there.
You're moving around.
Where, where, where, where, where can you have it?
Shea Stewart: You can, you can buy these pockets that you can put your
phone in that are, that shield.
And I think Tech Wellness has them, but they're, they're
electromagnetic field shielders.
Like, if you Google, if you Google that, those will come up.
Like Faraday.
If you put
Rupert Isaacson: tinfoil in your pocket, would that help?
Shea Stewart: I don't, I don't know.
You could try it.
Those, they're called, they make something called a Faraday bag.
Rupert Isaacson: You can actually
Shea Stewart: get a You know, net put over your bed, but I wouldn't do that
because that's going to block out the natural earth's natural rhythms as well.
But you can, you can buy little phone holders that, that do protect you.
Cause even in the phone pamphlet, it says not to hold them up to your ear.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
Shea Stewart: That can cause, you know, brain cancers and you're not supposed
to put them anywhere on your body.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
But it's very, very hard not to put them in a pocket when you're riding,
when you're working, when you're.
So even if it's in a pocket, let's say it's in a jacket pocket, separated by
three layers of material from your body.
I
Shea Stewart: would probably still either put some block in there, put one of those
fabrics, silver, I think, blocks it.
Or buy something to put it in that blocks all that.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Shea Stewart: Cause you don't want it.
You don't want that exposure on yourself and transferring to your horse and
everybody rides with their cell phone.
I used to ride with mine and my riding pants had a special little cell phone.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah,
Shea Stewart: but when my body started falling apart, that's when I got
serious about making these changes.
And my brain, my body and my brain.
I, I got, I was afraid I was getting dementia.
It was so bad.
I still get little bouts of it.
But a lot of things have changed.
Even my hair has grown back.
Rupert Isaacson: Have you, do you feel that you're, that there's been
a big change in you in say the last?
24 months.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: It's interesting that you say that, Shay, because
I'm used to you speaking very articulately but very slowly.
And I always just thought, oh, that's because she's just very deep and
has a lot to say and you know, there is, there is obviously that is true.
But it's, this is the first conversation that I've had with you
that has been at a more natural pace.
It's interesting.
Shea Stewart: Interesting.
Yeah,
Rupert Isaacson: you're, you're, you're faster than you were on our last
interaction, two interactions, I think.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
I mean, I, I get shy and get a little
Rupert Isaacson: Now I'm going to make you close up because I said that.
Shea Stewart: I know.
I, I really, I seriously thought I was developing and I probably was getting
some dementia and it, it coincided with.
A few things that brought me inside more.
I was on my computer more.
We had the stronger WiFi.
My circadian rhythm was messed up.
But even, even my hair, I was losing a lot of hair and it's grown back.
Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
And they say that's one of the first signs of
improvement in your health is when your hair starts to grow back.
Rupert Isaacson: Mitochondrial joy expressing itself through the hair.
Yep.
All right.
Well, I think let's wrap it up here for now.
I think that we've definitely drawn people's attention to the importance
of mitochondria for humans and horses.
We've drawn people's attention to why natural environments, as much
as possible, including lighting and so on, are helpful in this.
We've gone a little bit too far.
down the rabbit hole of the difficulties of our modern age with
5g Electronic devices everywhere but things that we can do to mitigate this
and also the types of lighting and so on
I really would encourage listeners go check out shay stewart.
We have all of her websites in that, you know, it On the written bit,
but Shay, could you also just for those readers who like to hear it?
Can you just tell us how they can get in touch with you and
how they can consult with you?
Shea Stewart: Probably through my website, which is equinebalance.
net and or my probably through there.
I don't go, I have a Facebook page, equine balance.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Equine balance, equine balance.net
or the Facebook page, equine balance.
There's good shit on that Facebook page.
I've, I've read some amazing things.
What I didn't get to this time was something in your last post, which is do
humans actually photosynthesize because Oh
Shea Stewart: yeah.
Yep.
We do.
Rupert Isaacson: Just quickly, it sounds rather like we do with this light
thing as a, as the closing thought.
How, how do humans photosynthesize.
Shea Stewart: Well, we take light and turn that light into energy.
So, that's how humans photosynthesize.
Rupert Isaacson: It's not something you think about us doing, is it?
Shea Stewart: No.
You say
Rupert Isaacson: you're vegetating.
It's like, yes, yes, I'm busy photosynthesizing over here, actually.
Shea Stewart: Yeah, and some of it is through the melanin in our skin.
Absorbs frequencies of light and then liberates that into electrons.
Yeah.
And that's photo, that's photosynthesis.
Rupert Isaacson: Brilliant.
Just a shame.
That's, it's a shame that we're not producing oxygen as we do it.
Wouldn't that be nice for the planet?
Or are we
Shea Stewart: We are our, our mitochondria does, our mitochondria does a lot.
They're very,
Rupert Isaacson: are, are we, are we shoving that oxygen
back out into the world?
Like a tree Does not
Shea Stewart: No.
Rupert Isaacson: No.
Sadly
Shea Stewart: no.
Sadly
Rupert Isaacson: for the trees, no.
But no, not for the trees.
'cause we're giving them carbon dioxide.
They love that.
Shea Stewart: Yeah.
And they, they need that.
Rupert Isaacson: They
Shea Stewart: need that.
Rupert Isaacson: I hope they're grateful.
It's been a treat.
Will you come on again?
Shea Stewart: I would love to.
People are interested in this stuff.
I could talk about it all day.
I know.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
And full disclosure, we just share and I will likely be doing.
We did it last year, at least an online series of little seminars together.
I'd love to do one physically, but you're eight bazillion miles away.
And whenever I'm in Texas, it's like zoom through.
It would be great to do maybe a retreat at some point with no 5G.
Maybe we should talk about that.
Rebooting our mitochondria.
That would be a cool retreat, actually.
Maybe we should talk about that.
Okay.
Listen, as you heard it here, get on the waiting list for our show.
Come and sort out your mitochondrias.
Well,
Shea Stewart: we'll reconnect to nature and know why now we'll,
we'll actually know what it's doing and why it's so important.
I think that's, that's my main message is to get it out there.
Not only, you know, we say, oh, we need to connect to nature,
but we, there's a reason, there's a physical, biological reason.
Our physiology depends on it.
Rupert Isaacson: Absolutely, it does.
Absolutely, it does.
And so, yes, those of us in the equine assisted field, we're
trying to help the physiology.
Because the psychology is, is the physiology of others and
ourselves, mitochondria, nature.
Thank you.
Shea Stewart: Thank you.
Thank you for having me on.
And
Rupert Isaacson: you're just the coolest person, Shay.
Shea Stewart: I
Rupert Isaacson: always find out like 27 things I didn't know in
like a given minute with you.
It's, it's extraordinary.
I like to be made to feel dumb.
It's good.
It's healthy character building.
All right, then.
So till the next time.
Thank you again and hopefully speak soon.
Shea Stewart: Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, everybody.
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