WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.920 --> 00:00:09.415 Welcome everyone to the DC Beer Show. We are at DC 2 00:00:09.415 --> 00:00:13.094 Beer across social media. Brandy with the 3 00:00:13.094 --> 00:00:15.995 good hair. What are you drinking tonight? 4 00:00:18.070 --> 00:00:21.529 Oh, Jake. I love you. Jake is joking 5 00:00:21.590 --> 00:00:24.885 because hair is not good. Hair has been in hat for days. 6 00:00:25.205 --> 00:00:28.725 Jake, what have I not consumed since I got off work 7 00:00:28.725 --> 00:00:32.025 today? It was a long day today. So 8 00:00:32.380 --> 00:00:36.140 I opened this smoked Hellas from Schilling when I 9 00:00:36.140 --> 00:00:39.600 first got home. I shared that with the partner. That was delish. 10 00:00:40.274 --> 00:00:44.035 And then Jerry of Share A Pint Hey, Jerry. I know 11 00:00:44.035 --> 00:00:46.934 you're not on Instagram, but I know you're gonna hear this. Hey, Jerry. What's up? 12 00:00:47.140 --> 00:00:50.920 He brought to the last beer share this Ein stock doppelbock 13 00:00:51.540 --> 00:00:54.520 from from Einstock Olgert 14 00:00:55.105 --> 00:00:58.945 Olgert, and it is delicious. Heck, yeah. I love 15 00:00:58.945 --> 00:01:02.165 that one. Icelandic beer worldwide. Yeah. 16 00:01:02.410 --> 00:01:06.090 Thanks, Jerry. That was very I thoroughly enjoyed that. And then 17 00:01:06.090 --> 00:01:09.790 I said, fuck it. And I made a, a Negroni 18 00:01:09.930 --> 00:01:13.445 with, rest in peace, District Maid. Hey, Alex. 19 00:01:13.744 --> 00:01:17.045 Mike Stein, what are you drinking? Well, in my 20 00:01:17.104 --> 00:01:20.300 stein, technically a Tubinger, 21 00:01:21.320 --> 00:01:24.620 I am having the Czech style Dark Lager 22 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:28.405 from Wayfinder Secret secret. 23 00:01:29.025 --> 00:01:32.805 It's not a secret that this Czech style dark lager 24 00:01:32.865 --> 00:01:34.325 is absolutely delicious. 25 00:01:37.600 --> 00:01:41.360 In my humble opinion, of the I think it's half a dozen I 26 00:01:41.360 --> 00:01:44.784 think it was 6 beers that just came into town 27 00:01:45.005 --> 00:01:48.704 from Wayfinder, which is originally brewed in Portland, 28 00:01:48.844 --> 00:01:52.520 Oregon, that this secret secret, Czech style 29 00:01:52.520 --> 00:01:55.820 dark lager is the best. Completely 30 00:01:55.880 --> 00:01:59.445 biased, being the son of a man 31 00:01:59.445 --> 00:02:03.145 born in Czechia, currently seeking dual citizenship. 32 00:02:03.604 --> 00:02:07.384 Totally biased for the Czech style dark lager, but it's a dark lager. It's dynamite. 33 00:02:08.040 --> 00:02:11.800 Mister Berg, Jacob Scoops Berg, if you 34 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:15.455 will. What are you drinking this evening? Just shout out to 35 00:02:15.455 --> 00:02:19.235 Wayfinder. I believe that if you're making a cold IPA 36 00:02:19.535 --> 00:02:23.079 and you're unsure of where to turn, their 37 00:02:23.079 --> 00:02:26.840 witchy brew really is sort of like the gold standard in 38 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:30.519 cold IPA. It's not just an India pale lager or hoppy 39 00:02:30.519 --> 00:02:34.365 lager. There's a process behind it. It's very cool that we get Wayfinder 40 00:02:34.425 --> 00:02:38.205 now. We are awash with good lager. Right? We got Live Oak. 41 00:02:38.425 --> 00:02:41.800 We got that drop of notch. Now we got Dovetail. We got Wayfinder. 42 00:02:42.340 --> 00:02:45.860 Happy, happy. Anyway, speaking of lager, I've 43 00:02:45.860 --> 00:02:49.424 got started today with dinner, a 44 00:02:49.424 --> 00:02:53.185 lawnmower beer considering that I just had to mow my lawn in March, 45 00:02:53.185 --> 00:02:56.220 which I'm not terribly thrilled about. New Allagash, 46 00:02:56.920 --> 00:03:00.700 spring summer seasonal surf house. It is 47 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:05.105 the sticker, you know, like a Czech style 48 00:03:05.245 --> 00:03:08.705 light lager. They hit it with a lot of citrusy 49 00:03:08.765 --> 00:03:12.570 hops. I wanna say that it's a lemon drop hop, but 50 00:03:12.570 --> 00:03:16.010 it's not really. It's probably something more like 51 00:03:16.010 --> 00:03:19.550 Calista, but it's super citrusy, super lemony, 52 00:03:20.490 --> 00:03:23.985 really nice, easy drinking. Then in Brookland, 53 00:03:24.365 --> 00:03:27.885 where I live and near where Brandy lives, there's a 54 00:03:27.885 --> 00:03:31.345 Norwuz Persian New Year Festival every year. 55 00:03:31.750 --> 00:03:35.530 And I just randomly got to the metro, saw people partying, 56 00:03:35.670 --> 00:03:39.349 figured, hey. I'll swing through. And lo and behold, what were 57 00:03:39.349 --> 00:03:42.935 they drinking But New Day IPA from Back 58 00:03:42.935 --> 00:03:46.235 Home Brewing, a contract based beer 59 00:03:46.775 --> 00:03:50.330 brewed in Staten Island, hopefully soon, a brick and mortar 60 00:03:50.330 --> 00:03:53.790 location in Brunswick, New York. Zara, 61 00:03:54.010 --> 00:03:57.530 the founder, the brewer, the owner of 62 00:03:57.530 --> 00:04:00.645 Back Home was in Brookland 63 00:04:01.745 --> 00:04:05.185 selling cans. And so I've got here this is 64 00:04:05.185 --> 00:04:08.800 a tax purposes alert. She handed me a 4 65 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:12.480 pack for a sample. Thank you, Zara. Back 66 00:04:12.480 --> 00:04:15.920 Home New Day IPA, a hazy IPA with apple and 67 00:04:15.920 --> 00:04:19.595 sumac, traditional Persian New Year foods. Sumac's 68 00:04:19.654 --> 00:04:23.014 kinda lemony. You don't really, really get it 69 00:04:23.014 --> 00:04:26.840 because hops can be lemony. The apple is there. Anyway, 70 00:04:26.840 --> 00:04:30.620 7%, a lovely beer. Look forward to better beer stores 71 00:04:30.840 --> 00:04:34.600 in the area. Alright. We got a bunch of stuff going 72 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:38.205 on. First and foremost is, 73 00:04:38.745 --> 00:04:42.044 Birch and Barley is usually closed on Tuesday, 74 00:04:42.569 --> 00:04:46.330 but they're gonna be open on Tuesday, 26th. Brandy, 75 00:04:46.330 --> 00:04:50.169 why is that? Well, I was hoping you'd bring that up, Jake. So 76 00:04:50.169 --> 00:04:53.545 I'm super jazzed. I miss the brewers 77 00:04:53.545 --> 00:04:57.325 brunch at Birch and Barley back you know, right the day after Savor. 78 00:04:57.465 --> 00:05:00.879 I miss that. I miss that so much. And since 79 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:04.419 I have been curating, coordinating this this women's 80 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:08.345 panel at Other Half, which is has already happened because 81 00:05:08.345 --> 00:05:12.105 this comes out on Friday. So happened last night. Hopefully, it 82 00:05:12.105 --> 00:05:15.705 was great. I was like, I'm gonna go all out for women's month. 83 00:05:15.705 --> 00:05:19.410 So I reached out to Greg, and I was like, hey, what do you 84 00:05:19.410 --> 00:05:23.090 think about this? He was like, hell, yeah. Let's do it. At Birch and 85 00:05:23.090 --> 00:05:26.675 Barley, Tuesday, 26th, we will be 86 00:05:26.675 --> 00:05:30.435 having a beer pairing dinner. The menu looks incredible. It's a 87 00:05:30.435 --> 00:05:34.115 4 course dinner. And, Megan and Anne from Lost 88 00:05:34.115 --> 00:05:37.520 Gen and Bonnie from Wheatland Spring will be there. And 89 00:05:37.900 --> 00:05:41.740 I have been so jazzed because I wanted to 90 00:05:41.740 --> 00:05:45.574 bring together Anne from Lost Gen and Bonnie from Wheatland Spring. They'd 91 00:05:45.574 --> 00:05:49.115 never even met, apparently. And because I've I'm manifesting 92 00:05:49.414 --> 00:05:53.190 a collaboration between the 2 breweries. I'm manifesting it so hard 93 00:05:53.490 --> 00:05:57.170 to the point where I was like, hey, let's do a beer 94 00:05:57.170 --> 00:06:00.070 dinner. So I'm so grateful and thankful, 95 00:06:00.845 --> 00:06:04.465 for all of this, and I'm so excited. It's gonna be delicious. 96 00:06:04.764 --> 00:06:08.365 So I hope you guys come. Come to Birch & Barley on on Tuesday. I'm 97 00:06:08.365 --> 00:06:11.980 jazzed. Well, Brandy, if I'm not mistaken, the dinner is 98 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.820 supporting excellence in the industry. 99 00:06:16.885 --> 00:06:20.345 And if I were to paraphrase and steal a page from 100 00:06:20.485 --> 00:06:23.945 Chaka Khan's playbook, I would say ain't nobody 101 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:28.479 does it better than you, DC beer co 102 00:06:28.479 --> 00:06:32.259 owner, Brandy. So Thank you. Shout out to 103 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.195 Wheatland Springs and of course, Lost Generation. And I have to say, 104 00:06:36.815 --> 00:06:40.595 despite getting close to or maybe even at or above 10,000 105 00:06:40.735 --> 00:06:44.540 breweries in the US right now, With Lost Generation being one 106 00:06:44.540 --> 00:06:48.300 of the newest breweries in DC, we are constantly reminded how good their beer 107 00:06:48.300 --> 00:06:51.200 quality is. And I really feel like they've 108 00:06:51.935 --> 00:06:55.775 had others step up their game. We've noticed a wonderful increase 109 00:06:55.775 --> 00:06:59.375 in the beer quality at City State. We had our 110 00:06:59.375 --> 00:07:03.200 share at Hellbender. I had not one but 2 111 00:07:03.200 --> 00:07:07.040 absolutely dynamite lagers at Hellbender, so shout out to our 112 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:10.855 old friends, Ben and LT. So we're really excited for 113 00:07:10.855 --> 00:07:14.455 beer excellence. Outside of beer excellence at Church 114 00:07:14.455 --> 00:07:18.295 Key on Tuesday, what else are we looking forward to as 115 00:07:18.295 --> 00:07:21.840 we cruise? Just absolutely charged through 116 00:07:21.840 --> 00:07:25.440 women's history month. I'm excited because, you 117 00:07:25.440 --> 00:07:29.255 know, I know you've heard me speak of this, but the women's panel is a 118 00:07:29.255 --> 00:07:33.035 huge deal for me. I've been so overly, you know, excited 119 00:07:33.095 --> 00:07:36.790 and chill bumps constantly just thinking about it. But, you know, the 120 00:07:36.790 --> 00:07:40.630 bearded godmother, whom we've recently had on, is one of the panelists. 121 00:07:40.630 --> 00:07:44.365 And she's visiting always all the way from Georgia because I really love 122 00:07:44.365 --> 00:07:47.805 that she gives all these beer facts and comes in as in a 123 00:07:47.805 --> 00:07:51.629 new way to the social media plat platform, 124 00:07:51.690 --> 00:07:54.590 the education of beer. And 125 00:07:55.289 --> 00:07:58.889 because she's visiting, I wanted her to have a legit DMV 126 00:07:58.889 --> 00:08:02.225 visit. So we are heading out to Virginia 127 00:08:03.005 --> 00:08:06.785 on Saturday. So tomorrow, if if you're listening to this, 128 00:08:07.280 --> 00:08:11.120 we'll be at Wheatland Spring from 12 to 2 and at 129 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:14.660 Dynasty. Shout out to Dynasty. Love you, Favio and Travis 130 00:08:14.880 --> 00:08:18.725 and Lauren and Ramon. So we're gonna be out there, and 131 00:08:18.725 --> 00:08:21.525 then I gotta drop her off at the mayor airport. So if you're out that 132 00:08:21.525 --> 00:08:24.885 way, we're we wanna give Virginia love too because I know we always stay in 133 00:08:24.885 --> 00:08:28.640 the in the DC, in the district. So, come hang out. 134 00:08:28.860 --> 00:08:32.700 And then after after next week, hopefully, things start to calm 135 00:08:32.700 --> 00:08:35.919 down for me a little bit. But I'm looking forward to our beer share 136 00:08:36.375 --> 00:08:40.214 on National Beer Day at Third Hill. We haven't been to Third Hill for an 137 00:08:40.214 --> 00:08:43.975 event yet, so I'm excited. Are you guys gonna show up maybe, or 138 00:08:43.975 --> 00:08:47.580 you have other big plans for National Beer Day? I 139 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:51.420 mean, I live every day like it's National Beer Day, but 140 00:08:51.420 --> 00:08:54.880 I will Amen, Jacob. Yeah. But I will be at Third Hill. 141 00:08:55.265 --> 00:08:58.805 But there's only this day with the legislative significance 142 00:08:59.185 --> 00:09:02.545 since your omnibus to make everyday beer day has 143 00:09:02.545 --> 00:09:05.460 failed in in the in the DC Council, 144 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.540 editor burg. Alright. All kidding aside, 145 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.745 fresh jokes aside, what else are we looking at? We have the beer share coming 146 00:09:13.745 --> 00:09:17.504 up at 3rd Hill. Super, super excited for that. What else 147 00:09:17.504 --> 00:09:20.570 is going on in the next few days, 148 00:09:20.870 --> 00:09:24.550 weeks, even even into April? The window for 149 00:09:24.550 --> 00:09:27.910 early bird tickets to the Maryland Brewers Festival is 150 00:09:27.910 --> 00:09:31.584 closing, so you should act soon on that. Perhaps as 151 00:09:31.584 --> 00:09:35.285 soon as you're listening to this, smash that pause button. 152 00:09:35.665 --> 00:09:39.105 That is going to be May 11th over at Caroll 153 00:09:39.105 --> 00:09:42.790 Creek. It always looks lovely. That's why Fox 5 puts it on 154 00:09:42.790 --> 00:09:46.310 like their, like, late night weather cam. You can see the water sparkle off the 155 00:09:46.310 --> 00:09:50.085 creek. They keep adding breweries. There are a host 156 00:09:50.085 --> 00:09:53.925 of new breweries popping up, places I haven't been, like RAK, 157 00:09:53.925 --> 00:09:57.420 Random Acts of Kindness, right on the creek. I believe that's an 158 00:09:57.420 --> 00:10:01.260 ex Sapwood Brewer striking out on their own 159 00:10:01.260 --> 00:10:05.074 over there. Sapwood makes good beers. He made 160 00:10:05.074 --> 00:10:08.675 beers at Sapwood. Ergo, I think he's 161 00:10:08.675 --> 00:10:12.355 probably a pretty good brewer. So very interested to 162 00:10:12.355 --> 00:10:16.070 see, how that shakes out. We also have another 163 00:10:16.070 --> 00:10:19.830 DC Brau heavy metal collaboration, another darkest hour 164 00:10:19.830 --> 00:10:23.529 beer. I know that Mike Stein and I recall, Savor the Swill, 165 00:10:23.625 --> 00:10:27.464 the brow darkest hour Hellas. There's going to be 166 00:10:27.464 --> 00:10:31.130 a slightly overhopped amber. And so if you're a fan of 167 00:10:31.130 --> 00:10:34.810 Cap City's RIP, although it's being brewed in Atlas, amber 168 00:10:34.810 --> 00:10:38.090 waves, maybe this is gonna be something, 169 00:10:38.410 --> 00:10:41.475 coming up April 6th release at blackhatblackhat. 170 00:10:42.255 --> 00:10:45.935 Yeah. So we love amber ales because we're old school like 171 00:10:45.935 --> 00:10:49.635 that. We also love GoGo and DC hardcore. 172 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:53.800 But, yeah, I was just talking to Meth Gunasingh, who's a brewer at 173 00:10:53.800 --> 00:10:57.560 Atlas Brew Works, and he had just finished up a batch of Amber Waves 174 00:10:57.560 --> 00:11:01.265 Ale, which was the beer that was made in DC's first brewery 175 00:11:01.565 --> 00:11:05.405 since the the last one closed in 1956, that's 176 00:11:05.405 --> 00:11:09.250 Capital City Brewing. So those beers are actually coming out. If you go 177 00:11:09.250 --> 00:11:12.770 to Capital City, they have a Kolsch and an Amber, and those beers are actually 178 00:11:12.770 --> 00:11:16.524 coming from Atlas, who's done a bang up job on those. They've now got 179 00:11:16.524 --> 00:11:20.285 the GABF hardware to prove it with their stout, but 180 00:11:20.285 --> 00:11:23.325 we love the old. And we also wanna usher in the new. You know, we're 181 00:11:23.325 --> 00:11:27.070 in an age of all these closures, but we're pumped. New breweries are still coming 182 00:11:27.070 --> 00:11:30.750 online. Brewers who worked for their old brewery now opened a new 183 00:11:30.750 --> 00:11:34.385 brewery, and we wanna see that circulation continue. We wanna see the 184 00:11:34.385 --> 00:11:38.085 blood pumping and the blood flowing and new things going. 185 00:11:38.705 --> 00:11:42.160 Before we finish off March, I 186 00:11:42.160 --> 00:11:45.920 wanna give so much love. I know I've been giving love. We 187 00:11:45.920 --> 00:11:49.520 always give love. But to all the women in beer, it's been an 188 00:11:49.520 --> 00:11:52.825 incredible month for myself. But 189 00:11:53.285 --> 00:11:56.645 just don't let, you know, your 190 00:11:56.645 --> 00:12:00.440 feelings start to simmer. Just keep supporting 191 00:12:00.580 --> 00:12:04.260 and keeping awesome, and, keep finding ways to 192 00:12:04.260 --> 00:12:07.945 help other people. I do hope before we 193 00:12:07.945 --> 00:12:11.625 kick off April that I will see everybody next Wednesday, the 194 00:12:11.625 --> 00:12:15.465 day after the dinner, the pairing dinner. I'm gonna be so tired, so you gotta 195 00:12:15.465 --> 00:12:19.290 come keep me awake. But we're gonna be at the Solace at the navy 196 00:12:19.290 --> 00:12:23.130 yard. So we're gonna have a all night happy hour. Super shout 197 00:12:23.130 --> 00:12:26.485 out to Solace for giving us a huge discount to our 198 00:12:26.485 --> 00:12:30.004 group. We'll be there from 5:30 until, I don't know, 199 00:12:30.004 --> 00:12:33.764 9:30, 10. Who knows? And, they're giving us 200 00:12:33.764 --> 00:12:37.230 25% off of our tabs all night, like like industry 201 00:12:37.370 --> 00:12:40.650 folks. So come on out. Don't let it go to waste, and, 202 00:12:41.290 --> 00:12:45.065 I can't wait to cheers with everybody. And I've seen the weather 203 00:12:45.065 --> 00:12:48.605 forecast already for next Wednesday, and I hear it's partly 204 00:12:48.665 --> 00:12:52.445 cloudy Oh. With a chance of cops. 205 00:12:53.670 --> 00:12:57.430 Oh. I don't know. I'll play I'll play south. Jake, 206 00:12:57.430 --> 00:13:00.650 you might you might have taken some of my crazy pills 207 00:13:01.590 --> 00:13:05.175 on the water on the waterfront. We're just gonna 208 00:13:05.175 --> 00:13:08.935 keep, you know, crushing the solace puns. No. We love 209 00:13:08.935 --> 00:13:12.510 it. Brandy, I love that you're treating March, like 210 00:13:12.510 --> 00:13:16.030 snallygaster week. You're just back to back to back. I love 211 00:13:16.030 --> 00:13:19.665 it. Keeping that fire burning, keeping the lights just 212 00:13:19.665 --> 00:13:23.345 cranking. We'd love to see it. So come see us at Solace in 213 00:13:23.345 --> 00:13:27.185 Navy Yard, a wonderful little location there, you know, a 214 00:13:27.185 --> 00:13:30.670 stone's throw from Atlas Navy Yard and then Blue Jacket 215 00:13:30.970 --> 00:13:34.330 further down the strip, towards It's really pretty 216 00:13:34.330 --> 00:13:38.010 there. Like, it's huge. And it looks out on the water. 217 00:13:38.010 --> 00:13:41.695 So, I mean, it's I mean, yeah. I love that place. Off the 218 00:13:41.695 --> 00:13:45.315 water if we truly happy hour into the wee hours. 219 00:13:45.695 --> 00:13:49.470 But we'll see. Regardless, it's a great deal. Yet another reason you 220 00:13:49.470 --> 00:13:52.690 should report, you should support DC beer on Patreon. 221 00:13:53.070 --> 00:13:56.725 We love to see it when new supporters come in. And a massive thank 222 00:13:56.725 --> 00:14:00.485 you to everybody who's already supporting the DC Beer Show and all the work we 223 00:14:00.485 --> 00:14:04.325 do at DC Beer Media on Patreon. I 224 00:14:04.325 --> 00:14:07.800 can't wait to, you know, 225 00:14:07.940 --> 00:14:11.399 reflect on meeting Doctor J Jackson Beckham because 226 00:14:12.100 --> 00:14:15.495 she is a role model, an icon, really, in the 227 00:14:15.495 --> 00:14:18.635 beer industry in the in this world that we live in. 228 00:14:19.015 --> 00:14:22.800 And, you know, when I announce the panelist to all 229 00:14:22.800 --> 00:14:26.480 the other panelists, they're like, holy crap. Doctor Jay's 230 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:30.240 coming. Oh my god. I get to meet Doctor J. Like, all the other women 231 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.925 on the panel, they're like, oh my god. Oh my even, you know, Matt Splein, 232 00:14:33.985 --> 00:14:37.825 the GM of other half, his one of his bosses in New York was 233 00:14:37.825 --> 00:14:41.480 like, oh my god. You got Doctor J? That's huge. So 234 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:44.860 I'm so thankful, and I feel honored to, 235 00:14:45.800 --> 00:14:49.235 share the, quote, unquote, stage with Doctor J. And, 236 00:14:49.555 --> 00:14:53.315 I can't wait to hear more from her. Doctor J. Jackson 237 00:14:53.315 --> 00:14:57.075 Beckham, thank you so much for joining us on the DC Beer 238 00:14:57.075 --> 00:15:00.790 Show. Absolutely. Thanks for having me, Mike. Yeah. It's my 239 00:15:00.790 --> 00:15:04.230 pleasure. You are a very important person in the beer world, not just because 240 00:15:04.230 --> 00:15:07.845 me, some some person says that, but because people 241 00:15:07.845 --> 00:15:11.285 whose work I respect so much more than me have said this 242 00:15:11.285 --> 00:15:14.840 expressly. You wear many hats. You have 243 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:18.680 titles with one of the, biggest, trade 244 00:15:18.680 --> 00:15:22.360 firms in the beer world, but you're not coming to us as representative of 245 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:26.175 that. Tonight, we're talking about some of the 246 00:15:26.175 --> 00:15:29.855 other hats you wear. I'm asking you to wear the hats of 247 00:15:29.855 --> 00:15:33.459 brewer, writer and recovering academic. 248 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.839 So these hats you wear I was going to say thank you so much for 249 00:15:37.839 --> 00:15:41.195 coming to speak about, the rise of authoritarianism 250 00:15:41.575 --> 00:15:45.255 and autocracy around the world, but that's actually a different podcast, 251 00:15:45.255 --> 00:15:46.714 that's not tonight's podcast. 252 00:15:49.940 --> 00:15:53.540 But first off, happy spring. What's growing in your 253 00:15:53.540 --> 00:15:57.380 garden right now or what do you plan to plant? What are you reaping? What 254 00:15:57.380 --> 00:16:00.935 are you sowing? I mean, we only have a half an hour, so that's 255 00:16:00.935 --> 00:16:04.695 tough. But I will say early spring stuff is out 256 00:16:04.695 --> 00:16:08.160 right now. And so lots of coal 257 00:16:08.160 --> 00:16:11.920 crops. Got our greens, cabbages, got a lot 258 00:16:11.920 --> 00:16:15.335 of peas out. I my peach tree is, like, in 259 00:16:15.655 --> 00:16:18.795 full bloom right now, so it's got beautiful, bright 260 00:16:19.335 --> 00:16:23.069 magenta blossoms on it right now. I've got 261 00:16:23.069 --> 00:16:26.910 4 apple trees. They're just starting to show me a little bit of 262 00:16:26.910 --> 00:16:30.430 buds. Our fig tree is budding. My 263 00:16:30.430 --> 00:16:34.024 grapes are coming along. So we 264 00:16:34.024 --> 00:16:37.785 grow we grow a ton of, like, just, vegetable crop, 265 00:16:37.785 --> 00:16:40.959 but, the fruit is like fermentation 266 00:16:41.260 --> 00:16:45.100 fodder. So, it's exciting to see that stuff come back. That 267 00:16:45.100 --> 00:16:48.495 is super exciting, hearing about everything 268 00:16:48.795 --> 00:16:52.555 that is that is and will be. So I'm 269 00:16:52.555 --> 00:16:56.100 wondering, what beers, ciders, 270 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.620 wines, teas, coffees, or other delicious, 271 00:17:00.079 --> 00:17:03.220 beverages are you currently enjoying these days? 272 00:17:03.895 --> 00:17:07.655 Yeah. Yeah. Such a good question. So, it's 273 00:17:07.655 --> 00:17:11.275 an interesting time to ask because I 274 00:17:11.494 --> 00:17:14.920 am currently taking a long hiatus from from 275 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.540 alcohol. So I have been drinking a lot of, like, 276 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:22.915 nonalcoholic stuff just to kind of, like I'm late to 277 00:17:22.915 --> 00:17:26.535 the party. Right? Like, I know it's huge. But getting, like, really into 278 00:17:26.675 --> 00:17:30.440 not only, like, any beers, which, you know, are just, like, 279 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:34.040 exploding, but some things that people are doing with 280 00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:37.740 spirits. I'm I'm loving the stuff that's literally just, like, 281 00:17:38.265 --> 00:17:42.025 really herbaceous elixirs where they're just sort of 282 00:17:42.025 --> 00:17:45.670 like, this isn't supposed to mimic a a 283 00:17:45.830 --> 00:17:49.510 standard spirit. It's just like a thing we made up 284 00:17:49.510 --> 00:17:53.350 and it tastes amazing. That's been really exciting. I've been, like, 285 00:17:53.350 --> 00:17:56.215 reuniting with coffee quite a lot and, like, 286 00:17:56.835 --> 00:18:00.674 just sort of enjoying it. And it's interesting because, you know, I, 287 00:18:01.475 --> 00:18:05.300 I'm in the middle of going for level 3 Cicerone, 288 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:09.840 passed the tasty portion, missed the written exam by 3 289 00:18:09.840 --> 00:18:13.525 points the first time I took it, so I got a retake. But, you 290 00:18:13.525 --> 00:18:17.205 know, in doing so, I think I was just, like, 291 00:18:17.205 --> 00:18:20.805 so laser focused on beer, you know, as part of that 292 00:18:20.805 --> 00:18:24.380 preparation. And actually just spending some 293 00:18:24.380 --> 00:18:28.140 time, like, thoughtfully drinking other 294 00:18:28.140 --> 00:18:31.775 stuff is been, like, really, really, 295 00:18:31.775 --> 00:18:35.535 really helpful for me, as far as just expanding how I think 296 00:18:35.535 --> 00:18:39.210 about things, expanding, like, my sensory work, just getting better 297 00:18:39.210 --> 00:18:42.970 at, like, tasting things. And then, you know, the last 298 00:18:42.970 --> 00:18:46.030 sort of thing I did before my break started, I was at Cidercon, 299 00:18:47.665 --> 00:18:51.105 which is a conference I love. It's I think it's my 5th year at 300 00:18:51.105 --> 00:18:54.565 CiderCon. And I did a, a sensory 301 00:18:54.625 --> 00:18:58.210 seminar at CiderCon that was geared 302 00:18:58.210 --> 00:19:01.110 towards the certified pommelier certification. 303 00:19:01.650 --> 00:19:05.125 And, you know, a lot of the cider tasting 304 00:19:05.125 --> 00:19:08.805 strategy in Lexicon comes from wine, which, you know, it's 305 00:19:08.805 --> 00:19:12.645 different. It's a little bit more deductive tasting. And again, like, I just, 306 00:19:12.645 --> 00:19:16.460 like, learned, learned so much. And, like, anybody who's seen 307 00:19:16.460 --> 00:19:19.659 me at CiderCon knows I'm like a kid in a candy shop. I love new 308 00:19:19.659 --> 00:19:23.414 stuff. I love the fact that I know absolutely 309 00:19:23.414 --> 00:19:27.174 bubkus spelled apples. Like, I just I love that I'm such a 310 00:19:27.174 --> 00:19:30.820 noob. Like, it's so fun. And, that's so I would 311 00:19:30.820 --> 00:19:34.659 say, you know, of the semi recent things that I've been drinking on 312 00:19:34.659 --> 00:19:38.500 the alcohol front, you know, the the cider exploration always gets me 313 00:19:38.500 --> 00:19:42.065 excited every year. Cider is a wonderful beverage, and I think one 314 00:19:42.065 --> 00:19:45.685 that folks really embedded in the beer world 315 00:19:46.065 --> 00:19:49.649 are lucky to get out and bring a beginner's eye 316 00:19:49.649 --> 00:19:53.330 or a brand new pallet to it. You made a 317 00:19:53.330 --> 00:19:56.690 decision to leave academia and to 318 00:19:56.690 --> 00:20:00.515 pursue equity work full time. And you've had 319 00:20:00.515 --> 00:20:04.355 great success from this outsider's perspective. You've had great success doing 320 00:20:04.355 --> 00:20:08.120 that. But I'm wondering now reconciling, you know, 321 00:20:08.120 --> 00:20:11.740 you have all this expertise in academia, sometimes 322 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.640 it's described the pathway of academia is a one way path. If 323 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:19.195 you leave, it's more akin to a divorce than a 324 00:20:19.195 --> 00:20:22.975 career trajectory shift. You're 100% 325 00:20:23.195 --> 00:20:26.820 right that leaving academia is like a divorce. And, like, I'll be 326 00:20:26.820 --> 00:20:29.960 more I'll put a finer point on that. It's like a divorce 327 00:20:31.140 --> 00:20:34.840 where you really do love the other person, 328 00:20:35.295 --> 00:20:38.995 but like, everything is so utterly 329 00:20:39.135 --> 00:20:42.929 broken that you can't see a pathway forward. So 330 00:20:42.929 --> 00:20:46.610 it's just, like, gutting on every level. Like, if you could leave angry and burn 331 00:20:46.610 --> 00:20:50.049 it all down, it would be way easier. But, like, 332 00:20:50.049 --> 00:20:53.785 that's, unfortunately not what it's like a lot of the time or at 333 00:20:53.785 --> 00:20:57.465 least, wasn't like that for me. When I left higher ed, 334 00:20:57.465 --> 00:21:01.260 it it wasn't to stop being it was an academic. Right? It was 335 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:05.080 to be a better academic. So, you know, I've I've tell 336 00:21:05.080 --> 00:21:08.695 everybody, like, my research is better now. You 337 00:21:08.695 --> 00:21:11.674 know, my teaching is more impactful 338 00:21:12.294 --> 00:21:15.980 now. My service, has far 339 00:21:15.980 --> 00:21:19.740 greater impact now. Right? So, like, ironically, like, 340 00:21:19.740 --> 00:21:23.280 I'm a far better academic outside of academia 341 00:21:23.580 --> 00:21:27.345 than I ever was inside. Like but I think the 342 00:21:27.345 --> 00:21:31.184 other piece to that, and certainly influencing my decision to go into sort 343 00:21:31.184 --> 00:21:35.010 of equity work, is higher ed has equity 344 00:21:35.010 --> 00:21:38.850 problems. Right? And and some of them are really serious, whether you're 345 00:21:38.850 --> 00:21:42.595 talking about, you know, how we how we use, well, 346 00:21:42.595 --> 00:21:46.275 not we anymore, how how adjunct labor is 347 00:21:46.275 --> 00:21:49.575 used and, and used in a hard exploitation 348 00:21:49.875 --> 00:21:53.299 sense. You know, we talk about the cost of college 349 00:21:53.919 --> 00:21:57.440 and accessibility. We talk about how debt is 350 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:01.054 leveraged just to give people access. Like, there are a lot 351 00:22:01.115 --> 00:22:04.875 of problems that were hard for me to wake 352 00:22:04.875 --> 00:22:08.510 up every day and, sit 353 00:22:08.510 --> 00:22:12.190 well with. Right? Like, it felt it 354 00:22:12.190 --> 00:22:15.650 felt tough. So, you know, coming into a space 355 00:22:15.710 --> 00:22:19.305 where someone was like, hey. There's a lot 356 00:22:19.305 --> 00:22:23.145 going on in this particular industry, in this, you 357 00:22:23.145 --> 00:22:26.760 know, in this social formation, we don't really understand that. 358 00:22:26.760 --> 00:22:30.520 We need somebody to figure out what's happening. And I was like, oh, you 359 00:22:30.520 --> 00:22:34.095 need a researcher. Right? And then they were like, yeah. We need somebody who who 360 00:22:34.095 --> 00:22:37.855 can, like, help us develop some best practices and share them. And I'm like, 361 00:22:37.855 --> 00:22:41.410 oh, you need a teacher. You know? Like, I I say 362 00:22:41.410 --> 00:22:45.090 it sort of jokingly, but in a in a very real sense, like, I don't 363 00:22:45.090 --> 00:22:48.690 feel like there was any translation from my 364 00:22:48.690 --> 00:22:52.225 prior, skill set and profession into this 365 00:22:52.225 --> 00:22:56.065 one. I just felt like it just clarified everything that I already 366 00:22:56.065 --> 00:22:59.560 wanted to do, and I I got to do it in the place where I 367 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:03.480 where it actually fit. So it's refreshing to hear there's not really a 368 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.325 lot of, you know, transformative work or a 369 00:23:07.325 --> 00:23:11.025 shifting of of metrics that needed to happen to get you there. 370 00:23:11.405 --> 00:23:14.980 And and as we're looking forward sort of thinking 371 00:23:14.980 --> 00:23:18.820 ahead, I I wanna go back actually to a chapter 372 00:23:18.820 --> 00:23:22.235 in a in a book you wrote, which to my 373 00:23:22.235 --> 00:23:25.674 research very limited was published 10 years ago in in 374 00:23:25.674 --> 00:23:29.195 2014. The book is called Food and Everyday 375 00:23:29.195 --> 00:23:32.910 Life and your chapter was Drinking Local, Sustainable 376 00:23:33.050 --> 00:23:36.730 Brewing, Alternative Food Networks and the Politics of 377 00:23:36.730 --> 00:23:40.475 Valuation. And I'm wondering if you feel that there's been 378 00:23:40.475 --> 00:23:44.255 significant changes made in the practices of sustainable brewing 379 00:23:44.315 --> 00:23:48.100 and alternative food networks. It's so amazing that you 380 00:23:48.100 --> 00:23:50.820 think about that. First of all, like, the fact that that was 10 years ago 381 00:23:50.820 --> 00:23:54.180 is wild. Like, I'm just like, oh my gosh. 382 00:23:54.180 --> 00:23:57.385 That's incredible. So that 383 00:23:57.845 --> 00:24:01.684 that chapter in particular was actually, it was actually 384 00:24:01.684 --> 00:24:05.450 a chapter from my doctoral dissertation that I published 385 00:24:05.450 --> 00:24:09.070 in this edited collection, the Food and Everyday Life collection. 386 00:24:09.690 --> 00:24:12.430 And I can't even it's hard to quantify 387 00:24:13.315 --> 00:24:17.154 how much has changed since then. Right? So, you know, I 388 00:24:17.154 --> 00:24:20.970 was looking at this the other day. I was trying to talk to someone about 389 00:24:20.970 --> 00:24:24.750 it is, like, when you write research about 390 00:24:25.289 --> 00:24:27.795 culture, right, or about history 391 00:24:37.940 --> 00:24:41.700 it's, like, literally still happening. So it's it's very much writing 392 00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:45.220 about a moving target. And that was certainly the 393 00:24:45.220 --> 00:24:49.035 case already 10 years ago or probably 12 years ago 394 00:24:49.035 --> 00:24:52.795 when I was actually writing this chapter that, like, it 395 00:24:52.795 --> 00:24:56.639 was, like, hard to write and be accurate because stuff 396 00:24:56.639 --> 00:25:00.240 was changing so fast then. But you know, in that chapter, what I really 397 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.620 was getting at or looking at was that, you know, 398 00:25:03.919 --> 00:25:07.255 breweries were doing something 399 00:25:07.475 --> 00:25:10.295 different in terms of like how they 400 00:25:11.075 --> 00:25:14.480 generated value for the 401 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.840 products and experiences they sold. And, 402 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:22.180 for those of you who are, you know, wondering about that, 403 00:25:22.345 --> 00:25:25.885 you know, my dissertation work was is called a cultural economy. 404 00:25:25.945 --> 00:25:29.545 So it's sort of like an economic analysis, but it 405 00:25:29.545 --> 00:25:33.210 it kind of contends that, like, numbers are 406 00:25:33.290 --> 00:25:36.270 and supply and demand are not the only thing that drives, 407 00:25:37.450 --> 00:25:41.230 right, economic action and trends. Culture does too. 408 00:25:41.505 --> 00:25:45.105 And so in this chapter, I was looking specifically about about the 409 00:25:45.105 --> 00:25:48.725 culture of sustainability, locavoreism, 410 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:53.559 you know, AFNs or alternative food networks. Right? And I 411 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.115 was looking specifically at a couple of breweries who were, like, kind of 412 00:25:57.115 --> 00:26:00.875 trading on the value of sustainability and localism, but they 413 00:26:00.875 --> 00:26:04.700 were doing it super differently. Right? So, like, 414 00:26:05.179 --> 00:26:08.539 one brewery was very much about how local, like, 415 00:26:08.539 --> 00:26:12.380 hyperlocal it was. It literally had, like, a kind of 416 00:26:12.380 --> 00:26:16.075 a beer CSA where people could, like, order their beer and pick it up 417 00:26:16.075 --> 00:26:19.755 at the at the farmer's market that was across the street once a 418 00:26:19.755 --> 00:26:23.434 week. They had a foraging program so that people who, 419 00:26:23.434 --> 00:26:27.230 like, forage their food like, I got a pawpaw tree at 420 00:26:27.230 --> 00:26:30.909 home. I could forage my pawpaws and sell them to the brewery who would use 421 00:26:30.909 --> 00:26:34.674 them in a beer. Right? So, like, that was how they did sustainability. 422 00:26:36.015 --> 00:26:39.795 Contrasted it with a different brewery who had, like, just a super 423 00:26:39.855 --> 00:26:43.590 state of the art facility. Right? So, like, really 424 00:26:43.650 --> 00:26:46.790 great solar capacity, c02 recapture. 425 00:26:47.890 --> 00:26:51.250 Right? Like, they were doing all these other things, and it was so interesting to 426 00:26:51.250 --> 00:26:54.775 me that both of them were sort of trading on the logic of of 427 00:26:54.775 --> 00:26:58.455 sustainability, but, like, doing so ex very, very, 428 00:26:58.455 --> 00:27:02.070 very differently. What I've seen in the la you know, 429 00:27:02.070 --> 00:27:04.150 over the years since then is that, 430 00:27:05.750 --> 00:27:09.265 if those two examples 10 years ago sort of 431 00:27:09.265 --> 00:27:12.725 represented 2 ends, it's almost like 432 00:27:12.785 --> 00:27:16.565 the spectrum has entirely filled out. Right? 433 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:21.000 So people have, you know, adopted any number 434 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:24.825 of these different practices, you know, whether they're like some of 435 00:27:24.825 --> 00:27:28.665 it's about new technology and some of it's about sustainable reuse and some 436 00:27:28.665 --> 00:27:32.340 of it's about sourcing and ingredients. Right? Everybody's sort of 437 00:27:32.980 --> 00:27:36.820 taking on these these types of practices and building them into 438 00:27:36.820 --> 00:27:40.340 just what they do from the start. Like, it's not special anymore, which I think 439 00:27:40.340 --> 00:27:44.105 is really great. And maybe for me, you know, given 440 00:27:44.105 --> 00:27:47.865 the work I do, perhaps like the most significant thing is 441 00:27:47.865 --> 00:27:51.290 that there has been for some, this 442 00:27:51.770 --> 00:27:55.310 natural connection to social sustainability. Yeah. 443 00:27:55.610 --> 00:27:59.290 That's very well said, and it is remarkable to think 444 00:27:59.290 --> 00:28:00.795 about 2 ends of the spectrum 445 00:28:08.549 --> 00:28:12.390 full of different ways to hit that goal, you know, 446 00:28:12.390 --> 00:28:16.075 with different balance points and on the spectrum of, you 447 00:28:16.135 --> 00:28:19.654 know, social, people, people 448 00:28:19.654 --> 00:28:23.195 power and making sure that there's sustainability within our people 449 00:28:23.575 --> 00:28:27.260 from the from the HR, you know, back of house side to our 450 00:28:27.260 --> 00:28:30.960 customer service to selling direct to consumers, that whole spectrum. 451 00:28:31.900 --> 00:28:34.720 It's it's really quite remarkable. So 452 00:28:35.725 --> 00:28:39.265 when this episode comes out, we all we all hear you will have already 453 00:28:39.325 --> 00:28:43.005 paneled at other half, but, we just have to give a shout 454 00:28:43.005 --> 00:28:46.740 out to Latrice Harris, the Birie godmother, who is, you 455 00:28:46.740 --> 00:28:49.799 know, Brandy was just mentioning earlier in the episode about, 456 00:28:50.580 --> 00:28:53.725 bringing some educational newness 457 00:28:54.585 --> 00:28:58.184 to the social media space. I love Latrice. I love what 458 00:28:58.184 --> 00:29:01.760 she's doing. We we got in contact, like, 459 00:29:01.820 --> 00:29:05.580 very early in sort of the evolution of what 460 00:29:05.580 --> 00:29:09.115 she was doing. It was so obvious that, like, she's just like 461 00:29:09.115 --> 00:29:12.894 a bright charismatic spark, and that, like, 462 00:29:13.034 --> 00:29:15.855 she was gonna have a natural audience. 463 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.660 You know, it helps that she's like like a really, 464 00:29:20.800 --> 00:29:24.340 really talented epidemiologist and educating the public 465 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:27.735 is like what she does as a professional. 466 00:29:28.675 --> 00:29:32.435 So I I always laugh because I'm just like, I can 467 00:29:32.515 --> 00:29:35.490 I love it when I can see it? Right? Like, people who do this sort 468 00:29:35.490 --> 00:29:39.090 of educational work and, and turn 469 00:29:39.090 --> 00:29:42.645 it and kind of bring all that skill to the beer 470 00:29:42.645 --> 00:29:46.485 space. Like, it's beautiful and wonderful. And, she's she's 471 00:29:46.485 --> 00:29:50.050 such a kindred spirit, and, I'm super excited to hang with her. 472 00:29:50.210 --> 00:29:53.970 Well, Doctor J Jackson Beckham, thank you so much for joining 473 00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:57.650 us on the DC Beer Show. It's been a real pleasure 474 00:29:57.650 --> 00:30:01.485 speaking with you. You too, Mike. Thank you, Doctor J 475 00:30:01.544 --> 00:30:05.065 Jackson Beckham, thank you, Mike Stein. Excellent 476 00:30:05.065 --> 00:30:08.605 interview. Alright, folks. You're gonna see a bunch of us in Virginia. 477 00:30:08.929 --> 00:30:12.390 Come tomorrow, even if the weather doesn't cooperate, we will. 478 00:30:12.850 --> 00:30:16.610 Parting thoughts from both of you. I just wanna appear on a beer 479 00:30:16.610 --> 00:30:20.165 fact Friday. Wink wink, Latrice. That's 480 00:30:20.165 --> 00:30:23.945 Michael. Beer fact Friday. It's Friday. It's the DC Beer Show. 481 00:30:24.245 --> 00:30:28.090 Alright. So, again, we're at DC Beer across social 482 00:30:28.090 --> 00:30:31.870 media. I wanna leave you all with parting thoughts 483 00:30:32.090 --> 00:30:35.915 from friend of the show, Josh Chapman of the late 484 00:30:36.135 --> 00:30:39.655 great Black Narrows, who says Zara is an absolute 485 00:30:39.655 --> 00:30:43.309 gem. And for me, back home beer is exactly 486 00:30:43.309 --> 00:30:47.150 what the hope for the future of beer looks like. A standard where the 487 00:30:47.150 --> 00:30:50.965 quality of the beer is only exceeded by the quality of 488 00:30:50.965 --> 00:30:54.485 the people and ethos behind it truly representing a 489 00:30:54.485 --> 00:30:57.940 time and a place. Well said, Josh. Thank you, 490 00:30:57.940 --> 00:31:01.780 everybody, at DC Beer. We'll see you around. You all, 491 00:31:01.780 --> 00:31:05.480 everybody. Oh, that was beautiful, Jake. I liked how you ended that. 492 00:31:05.540 --> 00:31:06.520 Well done, sir.