WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.350 --> 00:00:12.550 Travis Bader: I'm Travis Bader, and this is the Silvercore podcast. 00:00:13.380 --> 00:00:17.930 Silvercore has been providing its members with the skills and knowledge 00:00:17.949 --> 00:00:22.620 necessary to be confident and proficient in the outdoors for over 20 years. 00:00:22.710 --> 00:00:26.790 And we make it easier for people to deepen their connection to the natural world. 00:00:27.730 --> 00:00:30.429 If you enjoy the positive and educational content. 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:35.530 We provide, please let others know by sharing, commenting, and 00:00:35.530 --> 00:00:39.630 following so that you can join in on everything that Silvercore stands for. 00:00:40.700 --> 00:00:43.340 If you'd like to learn more about becoming a member of the 00:00:43.340 --> 00:00:47.929 Silvercore club and community, visit our website at silvercore. 00:00:47.940 --> 00:00:48.370 ca. 00:00:52.670 --> 00:00:55.730 So a while back, I was recording a podcast with Sean Taylor, episode 00:00:55.730 --> 00:00:58.240 number 85 out at his house in Roslyn. 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.559 And we wrap it all up and he says, have you met my buddy? 00:01:02.559 --> 00:01:04.870 Matt Jenkins got to talk with this guy. 00:01:05.170 --> 00:01:08.130 And then again, talking with Steve Wilson in episode one 20. 00:01:08.530 --> 00:01:10.259 And he's talking about this Matt Jenkins guy. 00:01:10.269 --> 00:01:11.549 You got to talk with him. 00:01:11.550 --> 00:01:12.880 He loves to hunt. 00:01:12.910 --> 00:01:14.060 He's such a great guy. 00:01:14.710 --> 00:01:19.420 And I've heard your name before, and I've, I've seen you on different internet 00:01:19.420 --> 00:01:25.009 forums, but we never had the opportunity to meet up until, well, a little bit ago. 00:01:25.479 --> 00:01:27.379 So why don't I just start off here? 00:01:27.430 --> 00:01:28.020 Welcome. 00:01:28.354 --> 00:01:31.205 Back to the Silvercore podcast, Matt 00:01:31.235 --> 00:01:31.744 Matt Jenkins: Jenkins. 00:01:31.854 --> 00:01:33.195 I'm super happy to be back. 00:01:33.205 --> 00:01:33.615 Thank you. 00:01:34.225 --> 00:01:38.064 Travis Bader: Well, we were, so, uh, Bredow was looking for a place 00:01:38.095 --> 00:01:40.785 to run a program during OPEC. 00:01:40.794 --> 00:01:43.925 And I guess that's the, the law enforcement, uh, show and tell 00:01:43.945 --> 00:01:48.115 big trade show type thing for, uh, the gun industry and security. 00:01:48.335 --> 00:01:49.165 Type companies. 00:01:49.855 --> 00:01:56.435 And, uh, so Breda Stoker, Shani reaches out and says, Trav, 00:01:56.465 --> 00:01:57.675 we're looking for a range. 00:01:57.675 --> 00:01:59.115 We want to arrange where we can run. 00:01:59.809 --> 00:02:02.580 And X, Y, Z, we got full auto, we got suppressors. 00:02:02.610 --> 00:02:04.530 We've got all the cool kitten toys. 00:02:04.530 --> 00:02:08.109 And so I said, yeah, the range Langley, that's your ticket. 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:09.469 You got to check out the range Langley. 00:02:09.469 --> 00:02:10.570 They're perfectly set up for it. 00:02:11.060 --> 00:02:12.089 Like, no, no, no, no, no. 00:02:12.109 --> 00:02:14.509 We want an outdoor range. 00:02:14.519 --> 00:02:15.799 And they got all these different requirements. 00:02:15.799 --> 00:02:16.859 I said, no, no, no, no. 00:02:17.099 --> 00:02:18.329 You want the range Langley. 00:02:18.329 --> 00:02:20.459 And here's why anyways, they looked at it. 00:02:20.470 --> 00:02:21.060 They said, okay. 00:02:21.880 --> 00:02:22.370 Fair enough. 00:02:22.390 --> 00:02:22.859 You're right. 00:02:22.940 --> 00:02:23.900 That's a place to go. 00:02:25.220 --> 00:02:25.870 I'm there. 00:02:25.870 --> 00:02:30.390 I show up, I say hi to everybody and do a quick post on social media. 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:33.949 And like, literally I post this thing out, I have a picture in. 00:02:34.030 --> 00:02:36.100 Ding, there's Matt Jenkins. 00:02:38.060 --> 00:02:39.280 He says, okay, I'm in. 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:39.950 Can I come? 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:40.420 What's up? 00:02:40.420 --> 00:02:42.720 I said, yeah, you just got to have a badge, which you do. 00:02:42.940 --> 00:02:44.740 And, um, and you're in there. 00:02:44.749 --> 00:02:48.470 So that was, that was the first time we actually got to meet face to face and 00:02:49.040 --> 00:02:50.810 really glad I was able to get to meet you. 00:02:51.465 --> 00:02:52.245 That's pretty cool. 00:02:52.565 --> 00:02:52.775 And then 00:02:52.775 --> 00:02:53.285 Matt Jenkins: what happened? 00:02:53.755 --> 00:02:58.105 We, uh, decided to sit down and report a podcast and , as I, as I do, you get 00:02:58.105 --> 00:03:00.565 a case of the cold feet and you start thinking about what you said and what 00:03:00.570 --> 00:03:05.825 you didn't said and say, and all of a sudden like, Ooh, I'm overthinking this 00:03:05.825 --> 00:03:07.115 one and I think we gotta do it again. 00:03:07.565 --> 00:03:09.365 Travis Bader: Well, I thought it, honestly, I thought it 00:03:09.365 --> 00:03:10.505 was a really good podcast. 00:03:10.505 --> 00:03:11.765 I, I really enjoyed it. 00:03:11.765 --> 00:03:15.335 There's a lot of information in there, but, uh, when you said pull the plug, 00:03:15.335 --> 00:03:18.335 I talked to the, the social team, I'm like, yep, we're pulling the plug. 00:03:19.144 --> 00:03:23.885 And then later on, you're like, you know, I really wish I was on this one course. 00:03:23.885 --> 00:03:25.315 And it's some great information in there. 00:03:25.315 --> 00:03:27.445 And I really wanted to get that information across. 00:03:27.475 --> 00:03:29.595 And so I said, great. 00:03:29.644 --> 00:03:35.065 You know, the, my job here is to portray the best possible you. 00:03:35.284 --> 00:03:38.435 And if you weren't happy with the last one, even though I thought it was pretty 00:03:38.435 --> 00:03:40.135 good, you did a pretty damn good job. 00:03:41.250 --> 00:03:44.290 Matt Jenkins: I appreciate that it, uh, of course the immediate feeling 00:03:44.290 --> 00:03:47.650 goes to guilt because looking at, uh, the production value and I don't 00:03:47.650 --> 00:03:50.190 know how much of the studio you can actually see in the YouTube, but it's 00:03:50.190 --> 00:03:53.530 a pretty impressive facility and coming in for a couple hours and then having 00:03:53.530 --> 00:03:56.149 it scrubbed was, I felt pretty bad. 00:03:56.380 --> 00:03:56.939 You know what? 00:03:56.969 --> 00:03:58.409 Travis Bader: This is all part of the process. 00:03:58.409 --> 00:04:00.130 And I, I was mentioned earlier. 00:04:00.130 --> 00:04:06.459 So Anthony Stasek or he XSBS owner of, uh, co founder of, uh, through dark, I 00:04:06.459 --> 00:04:08.560 think it'll actually, yeah, there you go. 00:04:08.570 --> 00:04:09.120 Shameless plug. 00:04:09.250 --> 00:04:10.380 Wearing a through dark shirt. 00:04:10.670 --> 00:04:13.869 Honestly, they fit the last 30 or so podcasts. 00:04:13.869 --> 00:04:15.339 You'll notice I'm wearing their kit. 00:04:15.589 --> 00:04:16.940 Anyways, he's in the UK. 00:04:17.700 --> 00:04:18.709 We set the time. 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:21.860 I'm up around two 30 in the morning to record the podcast, 00:04:21.870 --> 00:04:24.820 drive out here, getting myself all ready doing jumping jacks. 00:04:24.820 --> 00:04:25.490 I got to be on. 00:04:25.490 --> 00:04:30.419 I can't be all groggy and the time rolls around to record and he doesn't show up. 00:04:30.489 --> 00:04:33.299 I'm like, Oh, I missed it by an hour. 00:04:33.299 --> 00:04:34.140 I'm an hour early. 00:04:34.150 --> 00:04:38.130 So I wait another hour and no, I'm actually Day early. 00:04:38.130 --> 00:04:38.680 So, okay. 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.220 Regroup again the next day, get up proper time. 00:04:42.599 --> 00:04:44.020 This time, Anthony doesn't show up. 00:04:44.330 --> 00:04:48.130 So we regrouped again a couple of days later, but that was a few mornings of 00:04:48.130 --> 00:04:51.960 getting up, but this is all, this is all part of doing a podcast, so it's all good. 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:54.300 Um, yeah. 00:04:54.649 --> 00:04:56.190 And you know, shamelessly. 00:04:56.780 --> 00:04:59.410 So here's another plug, uh, coming up. 00:04:59.550 --> 00:05:05.300 Let's see when this, yeah, this will be coming out before, uh, such and Latty. 00:05:05.729 --> 00:05:06.270 He has. 00:05:09.025 --> 00:05:14.565 He asked if I could give an 11 minute talk and I said, sure, 00:05:14.604 --> 00:05:16.104 yeah, I can give an 11 minute talk. 00:05:16.435 --> 00:05:18.205 I've got to figure something to talk about here. 00:05:18.205 --> 00:05:21.955 And he says, well, what if you talk about, uh, mental health? 00:05:22.170 --> 00:05:26.640 And the outdoors and, uh, what all that means to you. 00:05:26.750 --> 00:05:30.649 So from my own selfish perspective, this is fantastic because I'm just going to 00:05:30.649 --> 00:05:35.269 be pumping you for information too, and looking at your perspective and I'll 00:05:35.269 --> 00:05:40.965 be using all of this to help create my talk, which in, Typical ADHD style. 00:05:41.205 --> 00:05:42.265 I have yet to begin. 00:05:42.424 --> 00:05:42.694 I'll make 00:05:42.694 --> 00:05:45.835 Matt Jenkins: sure I trademark everything I say before March 30th, and you'll 00:05:45.835 --> 00:05:47.205 be paying me for everything I say. 00:05:47.234 --> 00:05:47.604 I love it. 00:05:47.655 --> 00:05:48.304 Are you going to be there? 00:05:48.544 --> 00:05:49.354 No, I won't. 00:05:49.374 --> 00:05:52.444 I'll be back up in God's country and the Kootenai's not down in. 00:05:53.060 --> 00:05:57.560 This, uh, I don't know how to call the lower mainland anything positively and, 00:05:57.560 --> 00:05:59.770 uh, PG rated, but it's, it's a place. 00:06:00.020 --> 00:06:00.320 It's a 00:06:00.320 --> 00:06:00.860 Travis Bader: place. 00:06:00.860 --> 00:06:04.210 You know what, when you get outside it for a little bit, like I grew up 00:06:04.210 --> 00:06:08.060 in Surrey and I've heard all of the Surrey jokes and everyone talks about 00:06:08.060 --> 00:06:09.469 Surrey, what are you talking about? 00:06:09.489 --> 00:06:10.729 This place is fantastic. 00:06:10.739 --> 00:06:12.130 Surrey's the best, right? 00:06:12.540 --> 00:06:15.030 When I moved out of Surrey and I saw something a little 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:17.820 different, I'm like, oh, Okay. 00:06:17.880 --> 00:06:19.220 I get where they're coming from. 00:06:19.220 --> 00:06:20.830 I get where the jokes are coming from. 00:06:21.080 --> 00:06:23.890 Not that I'd disparage it in any way, but when you're in it. 00:06:23.890 --> 00:06:24.490 What is Surrey? 00:06:24.650 --> 00:06:24.930 Yeah. 00:06:25.730 --> 00:06:28.290 When you're in it, it's hard to see outside of it, right? 00:06:28.300 --> 00:06:28.410 It's, 00:06:28.410 --> 00:06:31.970 Matt Jenkins: uh, I grew up in Langley and, um, you know, when, when I went over 00:06:31.970 --> 00:06:36.840 to Surrey, I just, you kind of get back to Langley, just feel dirty, you feel dirty 00:06:36.840 --> 00:06:38.100 and you've got to go up and take a shower. 00:06:38.470 --> 00:06:38.890 I love it. 00:06:38.960 --> 00:06:40.130 But, uh, no, it's good. 00:06:40.130 --> 00:06:43.955 I'm, I, every time I had the opportunity to come back, uh, Moving out of 00:06:43.955 --> 00:06:45.565 the lower mainland was fantastic. 00:06:45.615 --> 00:06:49.835 Uh, it was a great opportunity and being able to move for, for the job was, it 00:06:49.835 --> 00:06:53.534 made things really easy, but I'd have to admit, uh, I was driving around Fort 00:06:53.535 --> 00:06:59.660 Langley the other night, uh, beautiful weather, no traffic and it was There is 00:06:59.660 --> 00:07:02.870 part of me that does miss living down here and it's days like those, okay, this 00:07:02.870 --> 00:07:06.450 is, this is nice and nice and nostalgic, but I'm not coming back anytime soon. 00:07:06.490 --> 00:07:06.920 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.660 There's something to be said for few less people, a little bit 00:07:10.660 --> 00:07:14.409 easier access to the outdoors or a lot easier access to the outdoors. 00:07:14.410 --> 00:07:18.469 And yeah, uh, you know, my head's clicking in that direction too. 00:07:18.470 --> 00:07:22.860 I mean, that would, um, we'll see, we'll see what, uh, what comes in time. 00:07:22.870 --> 00:07:24.240 Dude, these are nice this time of year. 00:07:24.320 --> 00:07:25.610 Yeah, yes they are. 00:07:25.660 --> 00:07:29.940 So your background, you got into. 00:07:30.490 --> 00:07:33.590 You, I think you mentioned before, you're more of a gun guy than you are a hunter 00:07:33.760 --> 00:07:40.780 and everyone that has introduced you, you to me describes you as a hunter, right? 00:07:41.380 --> 00:07:42.960 Matt Jenkins: I suppose that's the power of perceptions. 00:07:43.010 --> 00:07:45.979 Um, grew up, uh, in Virginia. 00:07:46.169 --> 00:07:48.179 Um, I tell everybody how I ended up in BC. 00:07:48.229 --> 00:07:49.799 I just got lost on my way to Alaska. 00:07:49.799 --> 00:07:53.159 That's the short, that's me, uh, shortening that story, 00:07:53.530 --> 00:07:54.890 but, uh, grew up shooting. 00:07:55.070 --> 00:07:55.599 Um. 00:07:56.150 --> 00:07:58.810 You know, being that I grew up in the United States, it was shooting things 00:07:58.830 --> 00:08:02.230 like handguns and AK 47s and AR 15s. 00:08:02.260 --> 00:08:06.030 I actually had never touched a bolt action rifle until I moved to Canada. 00:08:06.070 --> 00:08:06.670 Go figures. 00:08:06.760 --> 00:08:07.130 Yeah. 00:08:07.170 --> 00:08:11.119 Um, don't come from a family of hunters. 00:08:11.190 --> 00:08:16.689 Um, about 16 years old, got into hunting through my, my still best friend. 00:08:16.690 --> 00:08:19.644 Uh, his dad really took me under his wing and. 00:08:20.164 --> 00:08:24.914 I, from our first trip in, I guess that would have been September, September 00:08:24.914 --> 00:08:29.245 youth season of 2007, uh, the O'Klean and Sinker, everything around, everything 00:08:29.245 --> 00:08:33.714 from that point on really revolved around how do I do this and yeah, the 00:08:33.714 --> 00:08:38.755 rest is history, but I still do consider myself, uh, more, more well versed in the 00:08:38.755 --> 00:08:40.234 firearms realm than the hunting realm. 00:08:40.234 --> 00:08:41.905 But again, perception is an interesting thing. 00:08:42.150 --> 00:08:43.100 What kind of a hunt was it? 00:08:43.630 --> 00:08:47.900 I was a mule deer hunt, um, up in, I guess it would have been the North end of 00:08:47.900 --> 00:08:49.820 region eight off the Okanogan connector. 00:08:49.820 --> 00:08:50.560 And I had no idea. 00:08:50.560 --> 00:08:52.610 I knew I was going two weeks before. 00:08:52.610 --> 00:08:54.499 So I'm buying hunting magazines and I'm like, Oh, you know, 00:08:54.500 --> 00:08:55.380 tips to shoot a white tail. 00:08:55.380 --> 00:08:55.830 Okay, cool. 00:08:55.940 --> 00:08:58.469 Well, geez, a white tail and a mule deer, that's gotta be the same thing. 00:08:58.469 --> 00:09:00.520 If it works in the magazine, it's going to work where we're going. 00:09:00.880 --> 00:09:02.850 Hey, stupid, you're a different species for a reason. 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:03.829 Sure, sure. 00:09:03.830 --> 00:09:04.160 Yeah. 00:09:04.460 --> 00:09:07.730 Uh, and then a couple of months later, did another hunt with, um, again with 00:09:07.730 --> 00:09:09.189 Dan and his dad and his little brother. 00:09:09.190 --> 00:09:10.320 And, and we were lucky. 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:14.790 We got, uh, Back to back success and, and was hooked. 00:09:14.820 --> 00:09:16.730 Um, what 00:09:16.740 --> 00:09:17.720 Travis Bader: was it that hooked you? 00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:21.510 Matt Jenkins: I always had an interest in it, you know, growing up in the 00:09:21.510 --> 00:09:25.579 States, the Sportsman's channel, there was 15 versions of wild TV down there 00:09:25.579 --> 00:09:26.869 and they all had hunting content. 00:09:26.869 --> 00:09:28.689 And I always thought, you know, I love being outdoors. 00:09:29.109 --> 00:09:30.150 I love firearms. 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:32.720 This is kind of seems like a good way to put it together. 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:35.880 Although I, I, uh, it was interesting, even from a young age, thinking 00:09:35.890 --> 00:09:36.829 about hunting, I was hooked. 00:09:37.190 --> 00:09:39.740 When I looked at the guys in the tree stands and the ground bonds, I'm 00:09:39.740 --> 00:09:40.710 like, I don't think I can do this. 00:09:40.710 --> 00:09:43.369 Like, I'm, I'm too ADD. 00:09:43.370 --> 00:09:45.540 I'll be going stir crazy and a deer is going to walk in front of me and 00:09:45.540 --> 00:09:46.639 I'm going to have no idea it's there. 00:09:46.640 --> 00:09:49.650 Cause I'm going to be too busy, you know, counting leaves on trees or something. 00:09:49.830 --> 00:09:50.900 And what did you find? 00:09:51.070 --> 00:09:54.570 Uh, I found that, uh, well we, we had it, honestly, we had it pretty cushy. 00:09:54.570 --> 00:09:56.139 We were in a camper in the back of the truck. 00:09:56.149 --> 00:09:57.440 We were cruising around on quads. 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:00.470 It was a pretty, pretty cushy introduction to it. 00:10:00.570 --> 00:10:05.380 Um, but yeah, Yeah, the, the places hunting has taken me, the people it's 00:10:05.380 --> 00:10:08.430 introduced me to, it's second to none. 00:10:08.479 --> 00:10:11.709 I'm very hobby heavy skiing, mountain biking, hunting, shooting. 00:10:11.719 --> 00:10:14.939 But, uh, if I had to strip all of those things away and be reduced 00:10:14.939 --> 00:10:18.359 to one passion, hunting would be obviously what reigned supreme. 00:10:19.030 --> 00:10:22.739 Getting into skiing and re introducing myself to mountain biking really 00:10:22.809 --> 00:10:25.989 was something essentially to pass the time between, you know, 00:10:25.989 --> 00:10:27.629 November or December in some cases. 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:29.040 And then, you Uh, September 00:10:29.040 --> 00:10:29.400 Travis Bader: again. 00:10:29.930 --> 00:10:32.280 So you were out mountain biking today, weren't you? 00:10:32.290 --> 00:10:32.850 It was Steve. 00:10:32.930 --> 00:10:34.730 Matt Jenkins: Yeah, I am physically abused. 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:37.090 Travis Bader: Well, that's his bread and butter, right? 00:10:37.100 --> 00:10:37.470 It is. 00:10:37.470 --> 00:10:40.399 Matt Jenkins: And he, uh, he, he was, I was quick to point out to him this morning 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:43.850 as I was cursing and swearing and sweating that he's been riding all winter and I 00:10:43.859 --> 00:10:47.769 haven't touched my bike in nine months, so I'll hang on to that little thing. 00:10:47.925 --> 00:10:52.035 That I, you know, hopefully I'm not that bad all season, 00:10:52.145 --> 00:10:53.425 but it was, uh, it was awesome. 00:10:53.425 --> 00:10:56.825 And, uh, coming full circle back to Steve, he actually ran the mountain 00:10:56.825 --> 00:10:58.645 bike program when I was in high school. 00:10:59.115 --> 00:11:00.895 Uh, he was a teacher of mine. 00:11:00.895 --> 00:11:04.404 And the last time I rode the woodlot 19 years ago was with 00:11:04.404 --> 00:11:05.734 him and my best friend, Dan. 00:11:05.734 --> 00:11:06.579 And then here we are. 00:11:06.890 --> 00:11:08.640 19 years later, writing again. 00:11:08.640 --> 00:11:10.210 So it's life is funny. 00:11:10.300 --> 00:11:12.980 Travis Bader: He mentions you or he alludes to you. 00:11:12.980 --> 00:11:15.279 Anyways, I don't think he used your name, but he talked about 00:11:15.280 --> 00:11:17.000 you in his Ted talk that he did. 00:11:17.139 --> 00:11:17.670 He did. 00:11:17.750 --> 00:11:18.000 Yep. 00:11:18.070 --> 00:11:18.250 Yeah. 00:11:18.250 --> 00:11:20.150 That was, that was a really good Ted talk. 00:11:20.210 --> 00:11:24.469 I was, uh, maybe I should talk with him about my little 11 minute speech. 00:11:24.469 --> 00:11:26.670 I got to put together, but he did a damn good job on that. 00:11:26.969 --> 00:11:27.500 Matt Jenkins: Phenomenal. 00:11:27.520 --> 00:11:31.785 I, um, I, you know, I, I look at the, the Ted talk and I remember talking to him 00:11:31.795 --> 00:11:36.425 prior, him asking me if he could use a kind of a very, uh, sort of an anonymized 00:11:36.425 --> 00:11:37.805 version of a connection with me. 00:11:37.805 --> 00:11:40.035 He did put my picture up there just without the name attached. 00:11:40.055 --> 00:11:43.754 And I watching the final production, it's one thing to sit and have a back 00:11:43.755 --> 00:11:47.194 and forth conversation, but it's another thing to be standing in a box on a stage 00:11:47.665 --> 00:11:53.974 and have a, uh, basically turn your, what's in your head into a product, right. 00:11:54.094 --> 00:11:57.545 And have, you know, little to no prompting capture that audience. 00:11:57.545 --> 00:11:57.915 So I. 00:11:59.260 --> 00:12:02.970 Pretty wild and yeah, it was very humbling to see that final product and 00:12:03.090 --> 00:12:06.060 how'd you feel a lot of gratitude, right? 00:12:06.060 --> 00:12:10.900 You know, it's um, I've had amazing connections with people my entire life 00:12:10.959 --> 00:12:16.400 and it's Phenomenal the impact that we can have on one another without you know 00:12:16.410 --> 00:12:21.060 The smallest gesture can mean so much to other folks and the fact that other 00:12:21.060 --> 00:12:24.780 people view me as having a phenomenal impact on them enough to use them 00:12:24.780 --> 00:12:30.355 on a Uh, Ted talk is beyond anything that I think I'm well could have done. 00:12:30.525 --> 00:12:35.555 Travis Bader: Isn't that funny how, how we can interact with 00:12:35.565 --> 00:12:38.545 people throughout our life and the little actions that we can make. 00:12:38.545 --> 00:12:43.655 And we don't even understand the impact that it's having on those around us, other 00:12:43.675 --> 00:12:49.505 through our example or through, uh, just like how I'm learning about you through 00:12:49.545 --> 00:12:55.140 Sean and through Steve and through other people or, uh, or directly, you know, I, I 00:12:55.870 --> 00:13:01.699 had, uh, uh, one person reach out and, um, he was telling me a little bit about what 00:13:01.699 --> 00:13:06.750 he does and, and, uh, I looked over any on his, I think it was on his Instagram feed. 00:13:06.750 --> 00:13:07.860 I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. 00:13:07.860 --> 00:13:11.480 He's got some neat mugs he's got, uh, and he puts out there and I'll 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:14.440 pick one of these things up and he comes back and says, you're the first 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:20.580 person to purchase a mug and he has no idea how these little things, uh, can 00:13:20.580 --> 00:13:22.500 impact someone is what he said to me. 00:13:22.530 --> 00:13:23.389 And I'm like, okay, that's cool. 00:13:23.949 --> 00:13:24.689 That's interesting. 00:13:24.689 --> 00:13:32.709 You know, just taking the time to, to always be conscious of what we're doing. 00:13:32.880 --> 00:13:35.980 And I guess it's sort of a balancing act because you don't want to 00:13:35.980 --> 00:13:37.890 always be thinking, well, what are people thinking about me? 00:13:37.930 --> 00:13:38.220 Right. 00:13:38.489 --> 00:13:39.069 It's exhausting. 00:13:39.319 --> 00:13:39.619 Right. 00:13:39.649 --> 00:13:42.459 But in the same breath, you want to make sure you're always conducting 00:13:42.470 --> 00:13:47.970 yourself and comporting yourself in a way that you're not detracting 00:13:47.980 --> 00:13:50.350 from somebody's joy or their life. 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:53.994 Then you're hopefully, you know, Adding to their joy. 00:13:54.055 --> 00:13:54.364 Matt Jenkins: Yeah. 00:13:54.364 --> 00:13:58.235 And then the way, you know, I look at situations is, is what can I do and 00:13:58.235 --> 00:14:01.825 what can I provide in terms of value to the connections I have, right. 00:14:01.825 --> 00:14:04.365 Whether it's, um, you know, a venture at work, right. 00:14:04.365 --> 00:14:07.874 What can I do to add value to this unit I'm working with, or this, this, 00:14:07.965 --> 00:14:11.935 this program that I'm involved in to what can I do to add value to the 00:14:11.945 --> 00:14:13.625 relationships I have with people, right. 00:14:13.765 --> 00:14:16.564 Um, with friends and family, I don't know. 00:14:16.564 --> 00:14:22.089 I, sometimes I miss the mark by a mile, but, um, when, you Thinking in terms of 00:14:22.089 --> 00:14:24.639 that of yeah, you certainly want to add something you want to contribute You 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.640 don't want to become you don't want to be a cost if you're a cost to something 00:14:28.650 --> 00:14:32.710 you're in some cases doing it wrong I mean there are some things where you can 00:14:32.710 --> 00:14:35.620 you go into a situation knowing that you are going to be the beneficiary of it 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.720 But it certainly feels good to be you know Try to be the the person providing 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.454 something to others and if it's a two way street then It just means that 00:14:43.454 --> 00:14:46.974 relationship or that, uh, connections beneficial all across the board. 00:14:47.285 --> 00:14:47.765 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:14:47.814 --> 00:14:48.005 Yeah. 00:14:48.005 --> 00:14:51.064 You know, it's, it's one of these things that a giver will always find 00:14:51.064 --> 00:14:52.505 takers hanging around them, right. 00:14:52.864 --> 00:14:55.355 And you don't, and you have to guard yourself against that. 00:14:56.505 --> 00:14:58.874 You definitely don't want to find yourself in a position where 00:14:58.874 --> 00:15:00.454 you're being viewed as a taker. 00:15:00.494 --> 00:15:03.535 And quite often a giver will look at that and they'll try and reciprocate. 00:15:03.535 --> 00:15:10.505 And like, you know, just last time when we recorded, I was out with a friend of mine. 00:15:10.585 --> 00:15:12.304 Now I went to school with his son. 00:15:12.814 --> 00:15:18.385 And I just spend more time with, with the father than I do with the son. 00:15:18.885 --> 00:15:21.834 And the son owns a number of restaurants throughout Vancouver. 00:15:21.834 --> 00:15:25.725 So we're going around, checking out a bunch of these different places and ask 00:15:25.735 --> 00:15:31.315 for Luigi poor house, Carlino's, um, like a bunch of Italian, he's Italian fellow. 00:15:32.004 --> 00:15:35.444 And, uh, brings me to one of their places and the guy who's 00:15:35.444 --> 00:15:36.344 running the place comes up. 00:15:36.344 --> 00:15:38.405 She's like, Oh, this is this thing, rum baba. 00:15:38.405 --> 00:15:40.045 I make these myself in house. 00:15:40.640 --> 00:15:44.160 I want you to have it and ends up giving me this thing. 00:15:44.160 --> 00:15:47.290 And so I find something else to purchase and I basically pay for the 00:15:47.290 --> 00:15:49.550 price of the, uh, the, the Marambaba. 00:15:50.430 --> 00:15:54.780 And here I'm thinking, you know, I don't want to be on the negative 00:15:54.810 --> 00:15:56.520 end of that, that exchange. 00:15:56.540 --> 00:16:00.949 And when we left there, um, My friend, he says, why'd you do that? 00:16:01.449 --> 00:16:02.230 Don't do that. 00:16:02.230 --> 00:16:02.680 Travis. 00:16:02.689 --> 00:16:04.740 He's trying to do something nice, right? 00:16:04.780 --> 00:16:06.760 And it looks bad on you. 00:16:06.760 --> 00:16:07.920 It looks bad on me. 00:16:07.930 --> 00:16:14.469 And so that's one of the areas where, where I have a difficult time navigating. 00:16:14.469 --> 00:16:16.659 Cause I never want to be on the negative side of that. 00:16:17.119 --> 00:16:17.839 Um, I don't know. 00:16:17.859 --> 00:16:18.410 You like that. 00:16:18.410 --> 00:16:18.519 Is 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:22.120 Matt Jenkins: that, I, there, you know, when you know somebody well enough, 00:16:22.189 --> 00:16:25.290 um, there certainly is, you know, a back and forth of, you know, favors or 00:16:25.290 --> 00:16:28.879 knowledge and you're, you're, you have that sort of, you're not keeping track. 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.050 You just, you want to, you want to help somebody, you know, that they have 00:16:31.050 --> 00:16:34.429 something that they can provide to you and knowledge or, you know, I'll let 00:16:34.429 --> 00:16:36.330 you, Steve and me, for example, right? 00:16:36.330 --> 00:16:40.070 I, the amount of knowledge he's pulled from my brain on the hunting and the 00:16:40.070 --> 00:16:42.470 firearm realm, couldn't put a price on it. 00:16:42.750 --> 00:16:44.450 Meanwhile, he's been wrenched on my bike all week. 00:16:44.974 --> 00:16:46.915 And, you know, it's just one of those things. 00:16:46.915 --> 00:16:48.964 You surround yourself with people you can lean on. 00:16:49.665 --> 00:16:51.940 Then it It's what friends do for one another. 00:16:51.940 --> 00:16:56.319 But if it's a connection that isn't as deep, then, you know, yeah, I feel 00:16:56.319 --> 00:16:58.239 compelled to pull my weight per se. 00:16:59.289 --> 00:17:02.140 Travis Bader: So, you know, talking with Steve, I definitely get the sense 00:17:02.160 --> 00:17:08.159 that there's, um, uh, there's more of a emotional and kind of, even it's kind 00:17:08.159 --> 00:17:11.799 of spiritual connection that he's having with the outdoors and the hunting. 00:17:11.800 --> 00:17:12.194 Yeah. 00:17:12.335 --> 00:17:17.265 That he's either, uh, grown on his own with your help or, but I get 00:17:17.265 --> 00:17:20.785 more of the sense it's something that you've assisted with in that process. 00:17:20.785 --> 00:17:23.915 Matt Jenkins: I, I think that's, it's given me entirely too much credit. 00:17:24.275 --> 00:17:30.024 He, uh, yeah, Steve's a guy who again, uh, was a mentor of mine educationally 00:17:30.024 --> 00:17:32.934 and also doing a lot with the outdoor ed programs back when I was in high school. 00:17:32.964 --> 00:17:36.805 And, uh, Certainly a fellow that I looked up to because, you know, he had 00:17:36.805 --> 00:17:40.545 all of his wilderness first days, he had done trips to the Arctic circle. 00:17:40.545 --> 00:17:44.685 He'd been, you know, on the ice roads up North, um, you know, led groups of 00:17:44.695 --> 00:17:48.334 kids and, and done a tremendous amount of experience in the back country. 00:17:48.334 --> 00:17:51.115 So all I did was kind of say, Hey, you know what you're doing. 00:17:51.514 --> 00:17:55.470 Only difference is now is, is, you know, The purpose for you being in 00:17:55.470 --> 00:17:58.130 the outdoors is a little different, so here's how we're going to take 00:17:58.130 --> 00:18:01.530 the skills you have and apply them to something a little bit different. 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.099 Um, and now there was some teaching along the way, I'm not going to 00:18:05.100 --> 00:18:06.719 tell you how many years it took him to actually complete it. 00:18:07.180 --> 00:18:09.600 You know, shoot a grouse with a 22 from 10 yards away, but 00:18:10.470 --> 00:18:11.659 we'll let him sweat over that. 00:18:11.669 --> 00:18:15.610 Now that I put it out into the world, but, uh, yeah, for the most part, and you 00:18:15.610 --> 00:18:20.060 have somebody who, uh, is, is switched on, uh, knows what they're doing and 00:18:20.080 --> 00:18:22.210 the skills are highly transferable. 00:18:22.659 --> 00:18:23.550 I didn't do much. 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:25.219 Travis Bader: Just tell me about that process. 00:18:25.729 --> 00:18:28.640 Cause so, okay. 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:31.567 A friend of mine recently, he's like talking to me 00:18:31.567 --> 00:18:33.230 about a few different things. 00:18:33.230 --> 00:18:36.000 He's a, Very intelligent individual. 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.299 He's like, do you read much Nietzsche? 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.689 He says, I'm like, well, a bit, you know, I've read a bit. 00:18:41.699 --> 00:18:43.019 I want Montesquieu, right. 00:18:43.019 --> 00:18:43.719 Or Schopenhauer. 00:18:43.719 --> 00:18:47.770 I'm like, no, you really should. 00:18:47.770 --> 00:18:48.409 You really should. 00:18:48.409 --> 00:18:48.710 Right. 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.740 And, um, gives me some book recommendations and I said, 00:18:51.740 --> 00:18:52.929 well, do they come with pictures? 00:18:53.580 --> 00:18:54.190 They don't. 00:18:55.150 --> 00:19:00.649 And so, but, uh, Schopenhauer, um, by all accounts so far, what 00:19:00.649 --> 00:19:04.235 I'm reading, he seems to be, uh, Pretty critical about hunting. 00:19:05.125 --> 00:19:09.195 He makes a statement about hunting and he says, the satisfaction of 00:19:09.195 --> 00:19:13.894 hunting lies in the process of the chase and the exercise of skill rather 00:19:13.894 --> 00:19:15.445 than in the death of the animal. 00:19:15.955 --> 00:19:19.995 In this respect, the true hunter is more interested in the pursuit 00:19:19.995 --> 00:19:22.454 itself than in the final result. 00:19:22.975 --> 00:19:23.225 Matt Jenkins: Absolutely. 00:19:23.225 --> 00:19:25.995 I couldn't have, couldn't have put it any better than that. 00:19:26.075 --> 00:19:30.505 Um, the amount of years I tag soup, uh, or the amount of times when 00:19:30.505 --> 00:19:33.835 I'm out with somebody and I, I get with more satisfaction over, you 00:19:33.835 --> 00:19:37.795 know, helping them or assisting them to me, it doesn't matter. 00:19:37.835 --> 00:19:38.055 Right. 00:19:38.055 --> 00:19:39.345 At the end of the day, we are successful. 00:19:39.345 --> 00:19:40.515 I don't care who pulls the trigger. 00:19:40.544 --> 00:19:42.275 That is not, it's not a thing for me. 00:19:42.355 --> 00:19:42.675 Right. 00:19:43.035 --> 00:19:48.199 Um, So again, to help, uh, to help with that process has been phenomenal. 00:19:48.199 --> 00:19:52.310 And you know, when I think back on the trips I've done all over BC, up North, 00:19:52.379 --> 00:19:58.389 the Kootenays, proximity to the lower mainland, some of the most, the stories, 00:19:58.409 --> 00:20:01.339 the memories and everything came from, you know, the people I'm with, the 00:20:01.339 --> 00:20:05.439 places I am rather than, you know, what we're taking physically, taking 00:20:05.449 --> 00:20:09.769 home from that trip or taking from that landscape, of course, tremendous bonus. 00:20:09.889 --> 00:20:12.720 Uh, and, and the pride you have when you are successful in that 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:14.879 trip, you can't replace it. 00:20:14.999 --> 00:20:20.460 Um, And that's where I think we, you know, as hunters who are comfortable 00:20:20.470 --> 00:20:23.720 having difficult conversations, it's really important for us. 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:27.000 And if you've, if you don't hunt, it's really hard to understand 00:20:27.019 --> 00:20:30.059 because again, the classic adage of, well, how can you admire 00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:31.380 something if you're going to kill it? 00:20:31.450 --> 00:20:34.289 Well, you know, obviously at face value, that seems like a 00:20:34.289 --> 00:20:35.620 very accurate statement, but. 00:20:36.645 --> 00:20:41.685 Really, when you get into talking with people who are passionate about it, it's 00:20:41.685 --> 00:20:44.985 sort of that's kind of the culmination of the effort you've put in the preparation, 00:20:44.995 --> 00:20:48.284 the physical preparation, you know, you can't just go walk up and down the hills. 00:20:48.685 --> 00:20:51.495 You know, without prep, preparing your body, otherwise you're going 00:20:51.495 --> 00:20:54.235 to be a liability or at the very least you're going to be miserable. 00:20:54.365 --> 00:20:54.595 Yeah. 00:20:54.635 --> 00:20:58.374 Um, you know, where do you go, uh, access your, your, your kit, your 00:20:58.375 --> 00:21:03.245 equipment, um, finding those people who you can intrinsically trust, because 00:21:03.245 --> 00:21:05.545 there's a lots of times I've been hunting, I'm like, this is terrible. 00:21:05.605 --> 00:21:07.695 This is a terrible experience and I don't want to be where I am. 00:21:07.695 --> 00:21:09.675 I want to be sitting on a beach somewhere. 00:21:09.675 --> 00:21:09.995 That's it. 00:21:10.034 --> 00:21:10.365 That's all. 00:21:10.365 --> 00:21:11.225 I don't want to be sitting on a beach. 00:21:11.225 --> 00:21:12.925 I hate the beach, but I want to be anywhere. 00:21:12.925 --> 00:21:14.815 What I am when I'm cold and I'm wet and I'm tired. 00:21:14.815 --> 00:21:17.794 And all I see above me is, is, uh, mountains and false summits. 00:21:17.794 --> 00:21:22.264 And, uh, and then when you're successful, it just really puts into 00:21:22.264 --> 00:21:24.794 perspective, everything that you've done to get yourself to that point. 00:21:24.875 --> 00:21:27.825 And the amount of pride I take. 00:21:28.045 --> 00:21:34.355 Um, and the, how seriously I take the act of mentorship is, is colossal, right? 00:21:34.355 --> 00:21:41.074 If people are trusting me to give them those experiences or pass on those 00:21:41.074 --> 00:21:45.925 skills to them, it's not something that I take for granted because it's 2024. 00:21:46.095 --> 00:21:50.305 The resources we have, you know, arguably in certain aspects, you 00:21:50.305 --> 00:21:53.855 can't replace a mentor to go out there with you, but let's be honest, right? 00:21:53.855 --> 00:21:58.195 Through your podcast, through, um, good, uh, folks instructing hunter 00:21:58.195 --> 00:22:01.115 safety courses through guys like Steve Fernella, there's so many 00:22:01.115 --> 00:22:02.675 ways you can learn these things. 00:22:03.135 --> 00:22:04.515 Refine them on your own. 00:22:04.515 --> 00:22:04.605 Mm-Hmm. 00:22:04.605 --> 00:22:08.385 But, you know, uh, there's lots of ways you can do it without a lot of help. 00:22:08.385 --> 00:22:12.075 So the fact that people are still turning to me, um, is Yeah. 00:22:12.075 --> 00:22:13.545 It's something that I don't take for granted. 00:22:13.875 --> 00:22:14.325 No. 00:22:14.445 --> 00:22:14.775 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:22:14.780 --> 00:22:17.325 That, that mentorship program is something that is one of the most 00:22:17.325 --> 00:22:18.945 difficult pieces of the puzzle for Mm-Hmm. 00:22:18.945 --> 00:22:19.485 Those people. 00:22:19.755 --> 00:22:20.265 Absolutely. 00:22:20.385 --> 00:22:22.725 I mean, there's only so many podcasts you can listen to. 00:22:22.725 --> 00:22:25.305 Only so many YouTube videos or books you can read. 00:22:25.305 --> 00:22:25.306 Mm-Hmm. 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:30.830 . But to actually have somebody to kind of take you in and show you the ropes, to 00:22:30.830 --> 00:22:34.680 help you be successful, can it, it can be dejecting, it can be discouraging. 00:22:34.870 --> 00:22:35.390 Absolutely. 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:37.290 You go out there over and over again. 00:22:37.865 --> 00:22:43.725 For me, I've never made the animal, my prize. 00:22:44.274 --> 00:22:46.254 Just like in business, I don't make money. 00:22:46.294 --> 00:22:50.274 My prize, if I make money, my prize, I'm always going to be chasing it. 00:22:50.564 --> 00:22:54.365 If I make the enjoyment of what I'm doing and the pursuit of trying 00:22:54.365 --> 00:22:59.435 to provide excellence best of my ability or quality to the end user. 00:23:00.254 --> 00:23:02.254 Money will be a natural by product of that. 00:23:02.645 --> 00:23:07.905 Just like in hunting, if I make the deepening of the connection, my connection 00:23:07.905 --> 00:23:13.755 with the natural environment, my end goal, the default of all of that will be, 00:23:13.764 --> 00:23:17.465 I'll start learning where the animals are and when they are and how they're moving 00:23:17.465 --> 00:23:19.935 and, and I will be successful in it. 00:23:20.325 --> 00:23:20.814 Um, but. 00:23:21.225 --> 00:23:26.295 But I've never, ever left a hunt and been like, man, I wish I didn't go, right. 00:23:26.565 --> 00:23:29.735 I could see if I had picked the wrong group and maybe some, 00:23:29.745 --> 00:23:31.235 some teammates to go out with. 00:23:31.235 --> 00:23:33.765 And, uh, it was a wrong selection. 00:23:33.895 --> 00:23:35.725 Thankfully that's never happened to me. 00:23:35.845 --> 00:23:40.605 And Uh, time and effort goes into making sure we're very selective 00:23:40.605 --> 00:23:41.925 about those who we will go out. 00:23:41.925 --> 00:23:46.044 Cause it'll push you, it'll, it'll push you mentally and physically. 00:23:46.044 --> 00:23:50.705 And if you're already kind of seeing some ragged edges before you even 00:23:50.705 --> 00:23:52.175 get out there, they'll, they'll show 00:23:52.175 --> 00:23:52.525 Matt Jenkins: through. 00:23:53.004 --> 00:23:56.065 And not only that to the ethics piece, of course, you know, being law 00:23:56.075 --> 00:23:59.705 abiding, but, uh, you know, there's lots of ways where you can be compliant 00:23:59.715 --> 00:24:02.475 with, you know, the wildlife act, the firearms act and so forth, but 00:24:03.014 --> 00:24:09.070 you're skirting that gray area, making decisions that Are unethical, right? 00:24:09.070 --> 00:24:09.160 Mm-Hmm. 00:24:09.460 --> 00:24:14.660 . Uh, and I've always taken a, I've always, yeah, I've always 00:24:14.660 --> 00:24:15.980 taken that pretty seriously. 00:24:16.100 --> 00:24:17.840 Um, realizing what's at stake. 00:24:17.840 --> 00:24:20.150 You know, every time it seems like every time the regulations 00:24:20.150 --> 00:24:21.350 come out, we're losing a bit. 00:24:21.350 --> 00:24:23.060 And not to go down that rabbit hole, 'cause that's a 00:24:23.060 --> 00:24:25.580 podcast in itself, , but, um. 00:24:26.235 --> 00:24:30.215 Always being mindful of projecting that good professional image of somebody 00:24:30.215 --> 00:24:32.835 who knows what they're doing, who's somebody truly appreciates what they're 00:24:32.835 --> 00:24:36.185 doing and somebody that can back up what they're doing with good points in a, 00:24:36.185 --> 00:24:40.024 in a conversation with people who have a different viewpoint about hunting. 00:24:41.685 --> 00:24:42.494 It's important. 00:24:42.534 --> 00:24:46.304 And I, uh, there are people that I've hunted with who I've watched make 00:24:46.304 --> 00:24:49.395 decisions sometimes in front of me, or just sometimes through hearsay 00:24:49.395 --> 00:24:50.945 or, or, uh, stories from clients. 00:24:51.450 --> 00:24:55.020 Friends that I trust and I'm there, that is enough for me 00:24:55.020 --> 00:24:56.510 to say, Nope, I'm, I'm good. 00:24:56.790 --> 00:24:57.710 I'll go with somebody else. 00:24:57.710 --> 00:24:57.870 Right. 00:24:57.870 --> 00:25:00.570 You're, you're not, my hunting with you is not worth me being 00:25:00.570 --> 00:25:02.120 associated with those behaviors. 00:25:02.350 --> 00:25:06.739 Travis Bader: You know, it's, you're talking about gray areas 00:25:06.810 --> 00:25:10.000 and is there anyone really looking over my shoulder at the moment? 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:11.610 I'm out in the woods, right? 00:25:11.620 --> 00:25:13.610 Is it, I don't know. 00:25:14.220 --> 00:25:15.260 What are the odds? 00:25:15.260 --> 00:25:16.520 Anything would happen, right? 00:25:17.055 --> 00:25:22.385 The second, that sort of thinking starts to creep in, um, in 00:25:22.385 --> 00:25:24.375 anybody, you've got an issue. 00:25:25.035 --> 00:25:29.564 I think the best way to approach it is to mentally role play ahead of time, 00:25:29.855 --> 00:25:31.775 what you do in different circumstances. 00:25:31.775 --> 00:25:34.524 And so when you're presented with it, you've already got a framework 00:25:34.535 --> 00:25:35.784 that you can kind of work with. 00:25:36.014 --> 00:25:36.074 Yep. 00:25:36.450 --> 00:25:40.750 I mean, I like I'll set an alarm for a water fowl hunting when the alarm 00:25:40.750 --> 00:25:43.380 goes off, there's no more shots. 00:25:43.410 --> 00:25:48.300 We'll hear shots half an hour to an hour after all of that, but 00:25:48.690 --> 00:25:51.460 there's a difference between being a hunter and being a poacher. 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:52.249 Yes. 00:25:53.210 --> 00:25:57.710 And I know that if I were to take a shot after that. 00:25:58.425 --> 00:26:00.594 I wouldn't be feeling good about myself. 00:26:00.664 --> 00:26:03.394 I wouldn't want to tell my friends about, Hey, look at this, look 00:26:03.394 --> 00:26:04.935 at this animal I've harvested. 00:26:04.935 --> 00:26:06.634 Or well, how could you, right? 00:26:06.644 --> 00:26:07.904 There's no story there, right? 00:26:07.965 --> 00:26:10.145 He, he just got to, yeah. 00:26:11.090 --> 00:26:12.909 And, and what's that worth to you, you got to live with 00:26:12.909 --> 00:26:14.040 yourself for the rest of the time. 00:26:14.040 --> 00:26:20.240 And at the very least there's that on top of that, then there's your reputation 00:26:20.250 --> 00:26:24.250 and criminal charges and seizures and all the other things that go with it. 00:26:24.450 --> 00:26:25.049 So it's not worth 00:26:25.050 --> 00:26:25.210 Matt Jenkins: it. 00:26:25.710 --> 00:26:29.760 Maybe for some folks looking for views on YouTube, but that's certainly not for me. 00:26:30.745 --> 00:26:31.065 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:26:31.065 --> 00:26:32.415 Wasn't there a couple of those things 00:26:32.415 --> 00:26:32.945 Matt Jenkins: recently? 00:26:33.075 --> 00:26:33.465 Yes. 00:26:34.175 --> 00:26:36.355 So some sort of recent thing in my brain. 00:26:36.355 --> 00:26:38.725 I think that it's applicable to, but I can't remember who and where. 00:26:38.845 --> 00:26:39.295 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:26:39.415 --> 00:26:39.754 Yeah. 00:26:39.754 --> 00:26:40.045 No. 00:26:40.115 --> 00:26:43.144 And that's one of the things, you know, there's pressure, people feel pressure 00:26:43.144 --> 00:26:44.004 and they'll put it on themselves. 00:26:44.004 --> 00:26:51.145 They want, they don't want to be, um, coming back is unsuccessful, but if, and 00:26:51.145 --> 00:26:54.805 I think that's where Renella kind of, you know, help hit the nail on the head. 00:26:55.425 --> 00:27:00.824 Um, and he tried to show the process, And the pursuit rather than the end result. 00:27:00.855 --> 00:27:04.685 Cause prior to this, like I've never been a big watch and 00:27:04.725 --> 00:27:06.375 hunting on TV type of person. 00:27:07.115 --> 00:27:09.404 Uh, and in fact, when Rinella came out, I'd never even heard 00:27:09.404 --> 00:27:10.524 of him for the longest time. 00:27:10.524 --> 00:27:11.835 And people kept bringing his name up. 00:27:11.835 --> 00:27:14.375 I'm like, who is this Italian person they keep talking about, right? 00:27:14.425 --> 00:27:14.685 Meat 00:27:14.685 --> 00:27:15.915 Matt Jenkins: eater was the gateway drug for me. 00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:16.990 No, it really, Oh yeah. 00:27:16.990 --> 00:27:19.580 Now you look at my hunt, my YouTube algorithm and it's, 00:27:19.630 --> 00:27:20.790 it's, it's a rabbit hole. 00:27:20.820 --> 00:27:21.080 Yeah. 00:27:21.130 --> 00:27:21.780 That's my Saturday night. 00:27:21.950 --> 00:27:23.410 Not my Saturday and Sunday mornings. 00:27:23.410 --> 00:27:26.240 I work shift work, but per se, my, my weekend mornings 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:27.340 off is spent with YouTube. 00:27:27.340 --> 00:27:27.750 Just. 00:27:28.370 --> 00:27:31.200 If I can't do it, it's always interesting to watch the stories 00:27:31.209 --> 00:27:32.460 that other people have and. 00:27:32.620 --> 00:27:34.850 Uh, you know, there's a lot of good content on there, but I'm 00:27:34.850 --> 00:27:36.170 pretty choosy in what I watch. 00:27:36.170 --> 00:27:38.110 It's gotta be authentic. 00:27:38.110 --> 00:27:39.639 I don't like a lot of production value. 00:27:39.639 --> 00:27:43.459 I don't like, you know, the, you know, if you've got a list of sponsors a mile 00:27:43.459 --> 00:27:46.370 long and there's more product shots than hunting, I'm probably not interested, 00:27:46.389 --> 00:27:51.765 but, uh, yeah, the, my favorite episode of meat eater, um, Was one where nothing, 00:27:51.925 --> 00:27:53.055 you didn't, didn't shoot anything. 00:27:53.095 --> 00:27:54.524 I'm fairly nostalgic. 00:27:54.524 --> 00:27:55.605 I like to go to the same places. 00:27:55.605 --> 00:27:57.485 I, it's really cool to reflect on memories. 00:27:57.485 --> 00:27:59.365 I've made hunting in places year after year. 00:27:59.365 --> 00:28:02.725 And, uh, that particular episode of Mediator, I think it was back in season 00:28:02.725 --> 00:28:06.055 five, you know, he's talking about how he's been in this, hunting the same basin 00:28:06.055 --> 00:28:07.174 with friends and family for, for years. 00:28:07.335 --> 00:28:07.905 Decades. 00:28:08.165 --> 00:28:09.725 And so I, I kind of identified with it. 00:28:09.725 --> 00:28:09.945 Right. 00:28:09.945 --> 00:28:12.075 And I remember a friend of mine saying, well, that was so it was dumb. 00:28:12.075 --> 00:28:12.895 He didn't shoot anything. 00:28:12.895 --> 00:28:14.695 I'm like, that's kind of the point. 00:28:16.125 --> 00:28:16.525 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:28:16.565 --> 00:28:17.594 No, that's totally the point. 00:28:18.025 --> 00:28:21.375 And I think when people start connecting with that, they realize, 00:28:21.705 --> 00:28:24.385 you know, maybe there's something a little bit deeper to all of this. 00:28:24.445 --> 00:28:24.695 Yep. 00:28:25.125 --> 00:28:29.445 Um, no, you know, you were talking about, uh, being mentored. 00:28:30.025 --> 00:28:33.335 And the people that you have mentored, what are you looking for 00:28:33.385 --> 00:28:35.605 when you're looking at somebody who wants to get mentored? 00:28:35.625 --> 00:28:37.665 Because there's a lot of people and they come out and they say, 00:28:38.045 --> 00:28:40.465 like, you'll see them on the forums or I'm looking for a mentor. 00:28:40.465 --> 00:28:42.284 Can you tell me the best place to hunt? 00:28:42.435 --> 00:28:45.115 And, uh, can I just tag along with you in your honey hole? 00:28:45.115 --> 00:28:48.244 And, and, and they get ripped to shreds, right? 00:28:48.655 --> 00:28:52.765 So if somebody is listening to this and they're thinking about posting 00:28:52.765 --> 00:28:56.375 on these forums or introducing themselves to different groups, um, 00:28:56.375 --> 00:29:00.240 and Um, you know, like this morning I was, you know, I'll save that one. 00:29:00.250 --> 00:29:04.120 You tell me, um, before my ADHD kicks in, what are you looking 00:29:04.120 --> 00:29:06.290 for in somebody to mentor? 00:29:06.980 --> 00:29:10.590 Matt Jenkins: Uh, I'll, I'm, I'm selfish with my time and my 00:29:10.590 --> 00:29:11.809 knowledge to a certain extent. 00:29:11.809 --> 00:29:15.169 And, uh, as much as I like to share knowledge on the forums and share 00:29:15.169 --> 00:29:18.020 things in controlled environments, if I'm out in a situation where there's 00:29:18.020 --> 00:29:19.580 a lot of variables I can't control. 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:25.360 Like hunting, if you're not somebody that I know who has an aptitude to do the right 00:29:25.360 --> 00:29:31.919 thing, who has the ability to, um, you know, be safe and be ethical, probably 00:29:31.919 --> 00:29:36.869 not going to go out on a limb and mentor you in those field conditions, right? 00:29:36.899 --> 00:29:40.089 Uh, you want to go to the range, you want to have a conversation. 00:29:40.589 --> 00:29:41.219 Absolutely. 00:29:41.289 --> 00:29:41.599 Right. 00:29:41.629 --> 00:29:47.055 Um, but if I'm actually going out there to do the thing with you, I, I'm, I'm 00:29:47.055 --> 00:29:51.855 very choosy and selective and I having that connection, um, is imperative. 00:29:52.085 --> 00:29:52.645 Right. 00:29:53.325 --> 00:29:53.675 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:29:54.235 --> 00:29:54.751 You know. 00:29:56.210 --> 00:30:02.490 So this morning I was out with my son and we were checking on nesting boxes. 00:30:02.580 --> 00:30:02.850 Yep. 00:30:02.990 --> 00:30:05.020 So I've never done that before. 00:30:05.100 --> 00:30:07.210 There's a Instagram feed. 00:30:07.220 --> 00:30:08.860 It was pit water fowlers. 00:30:09.100 --> 00:30:09.669 You heard of them? 00:30:10.090 --> 00:30:12.540 Matt Jenkins: Uh, I'm familiar with where like the pit river marsh is. 00:30:12.760 --> 00:30:16.050 I've never checked the nesting boxes and I'm not too familiar with their, 00:30:16.090 --> 00:30:17.410 their organization to be perfectly 00:30:17.410 --> 00:30:17.840 Travis Bader: honest. 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:19.060 Well, I'm, you know, I'm just. 00:30:19.305 --> 00:30:24.025 I've, I've waterfowl hunted, you know, ducks, geese, all the rest and, and, uh, 00:30:24.125 --> 00:30:28.275 but I've never participated in nesting boxes for like wood ducks and stuff. 00:30:28.275 --> 00:30:31.424 So I thought, well, I'm seeing this thing on social media. 00:30:31.424 --> 00:30:32.525 They're looking for some help. 00:30:32.754 --> 00:30:33.584 All right, we'll get up. 00:30:33.585 --> 00:30:34.574 We'll try it out. 00:30:35.005 --> 00:30:37.515 To pit and met up with a group of people. 00:30:37.515 --> 00:30:38.885 Everyone's got the same interests. 00:30:38.885 --> 00:30:40.395 They all get the same sort of ideas. 00:30:40.395 --> 00:30:43.395 They've all got their, it was a chance for everyone to get together 00:30:43.395 --> 00:30:45.004 and talk about how their hunts were. 00:30:45.004 --> 00:30:48.184 And, you know, if I was brand new to this, the amount of knowledge that I would just 00:30:48.185 --> 00:30:53.045 get in from going out and helping on one of these things without even asking for 00:30:53.045 --> 00:30:55.895 help, um, I would learn a heck of a lot. 00:30:55.935 --> 00:30:56.615 Absolutely. 00:30:56.785 --> 00:31:00.785 And, and I think if somebody is looking for a mentor, I would look at those sorts 00:31:00.785 --> 00:31:02.274 of things, you're fishing game clubs. 00:31:02.275 --> 00:31:04.865 What can I do to help out at your, your game dinner? 00:31:05.080 --> 00:31:05.400 Right. 00:31:05.430 --> 00:31:08.260 That's not hunting, but you're going to make some connections. 00:31:08.850 --> 00:31:09.860 Um, okay. 00:31:09.890 --> 00:31:12.850 I'll get muddy and dirty and pull out poles and slog 00:31:12.860 --> 00:31:14.049 through in my waders and the. 00:31:14.049 --> 00:31:14.800 You got to work for it. 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:15.470 Matt Jenkins: Right. 00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:15.940 That's it. 00:31:16.010 --> 00:31:16.580 There you go. 00:31:16.650 --> 00:31:17.700 You know, there's a big difference. 00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:22.300 And I think that, uh, you know, I look a lot, a lot of the posts on, you know, 00:31:22.339 --> 00:31:23.909 uh, I try to stay off the hunting forums. 00:31:23.909 --> 00:31:26.300 Now, um, I look at some of the posts I wrote 10 years ago 00:31:26.300 --> 00:31:27.450 and I'm like, you opinionated. 00:31:28.770 --> 00:31:29.880 23 year old, shut up. 00:31:30.090 --> 00:31:30.220 Yeah. 00:31:30.220 --> 00:31:30.870 I thought the same thing. 00:31:30.940 --> 00:31:31.470 That's what I read about. 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.430 Fair, fair and valid, fair and valid. 00:31:35.520 --> 00:31:36.220 We'll leave it at that. 00:31:36.850 --> 00:31:39.540 But, um, you know, there's a big difference between asking, 00:31:39.630 --> 00:31:40.740 asking for advice, right. 00:31:40.779 --> 00:31:46.370 Or, um, but again, talking back to that idea of value, um, I think there's 00:31:46.370 --> 00:31:48.680 a lot of folks who are getting into hunting who truly don't appreciate 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:49.910 the amount of effort that goes in. 00:31:50.020 --> 00:31:54.160 And, you know, through that mentorship equation, there's a big difference 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:59.100 between, um, You know, forming kind of a, a back and forth, you know, Hey, 00:31:59.100 --> 00:32:01.390 this I'm now, I'm kind of developing somebody I want to hunt with. 00:32:01.390 --> 00:32:01.650 Right. 00:32:01.800 --> 00:32:02.550 I'm mentoring you. 00:32:02.550 --> 00:32:05.860 It's because I want to be able to phone you and say, Hey, let's wake up at three 00:32:05.860 --> 00:32:09.050 o'clock in the morning and drive for three hours and hunt for six hours and then 00:32:09.050 --> 00:32:10.929 drive home and sleep for the next 18. 00:32:11.580 --> 00:32:11.850 Right. 00:32:12.339 --> 00:32:17.180 Um, it's not somebody that I want to be, you know, kind of leading to water per se. 00:32:17.530 --> 00:32:18.100 Travis Bader: Right. 00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:18.920 So here's some data. 00:32:19.290 --> 00:32:22.310 The basic dues, you got to work for it, put yourself out there, 00:32:23.100 --> 00:32:25.420 um, have some skin in the game. 00:32:25.420 --> 00:32:27.570 Don't always just be hand there with your hand out. 00:32:27.570 --> 00:32:31.640 But what would be some of the don'ts that, um, uh, a mentee could do? 00:32:31.649 --> 00:32:34.009 What are some things that would immediately turn them off from 00:32:34.010 --> 00:32:35.760 being mentored by yourself or 00:32:35.760 --> 00:32:36.370 Matt Jenkins: anybody else? 00:32:36.370 --> 00:32:38.829 If you start the conversation with, okay, like, where are we going? 00:32:38.830 --> 00:32:40.239 Can you send me some eye hunter pins? 00:32:40.649 --> 00:32:41.139 Probably not. 00:32:41.249 --> 00:32:41.549 Right. 00:32:41.889 --> 00:32:46.520 Um, I, uh, I'm fortunate in that, you know, living in the West Kootenays, 00:32:46.540 --> 00:32:49.100 there's so much outdoors at my disposal. 00:32:49.100 --> 00:32:53.329 I can drive 20 minutes in any direction and, and, you know, not every day, 00:32:53.329 --> 00:32:55.810 but have elk bugling back to calls. 00:32:56.619 --> 00:32:57.590 Pretty rad, right? 00:32:57.600 --> 00:33:01.679 Considering the full days I would put in a day hunts, uh, going up 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:03.010 to region eight, living in Langley. 00:33:03.010 --> 00:33:04.690 It's, it's pretty cool. 00:33:04.980 --> 00:33:05.190 Yeah. 00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:12.580 Um, so yeah, if I'm, Because we have so much at our disposal, uh, when I'm taking 00:33:12.580 --> 00:33:15.950 new folks out, or my, my wife and I's two good friends in Castlecar, they're 00:33:15.950 --> 00:33:18.740 at, we, they, they've gone all in, right. 00:33:18.740 --> 00:33:20.849 You know, they're, they're looking at rifles to buy, they've got their core, 00:33:20.849 --> 00:33:25.299 they've got their pal, they're, they're really, um, I think trying to seize the 00:33:25.299 --> 00:33:26.939 opportunities we have with where we live. 00:33:26.939 --> 00:33:31.990 And it's cool that because of how much we do have around us, when I'm taking those 00:33:31.990 --> 00:33:34.310 two out, we're kind of learning together. 00:33:34.500 --> 00:33:34.750 Right. 00:33:34.770 --> 00:33:37.910 A lot of the spots we went to this fall, I had never been or had been, 00:33:37.910 --> 00:33:39.220 but hadn't really invested in. 00:33:39.220 --> 00:33:44.449 So now I'm like, Hey, let's try spot A or B or C or D as I'm picking up on things. 00:33:44.450 --> 00:33:47.490 I can sort of, you know, explain what I'm looking at. 00:33:47.490 --> 00:33:49.549 And it's, it's, we're both learning together. 00:33:49.549 --> 00:33:52.700 So we're, we're, Sort of helping each other level up per se, right. 00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:55.200 I'm gaining knowledge about a different area and they're just gaining 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.260 knowledge about something entirely new. 00:33:57.300 --> 00:33:58.460 So it's, it's really cool. 00:33:59.229 --> 00:34:01.970 Travis Bader: Have you ever had somebody go and burn one of your spots? 00:34:03.209 --> 00:34:03.659 Um. 00:34:03.820 --> 00:34:06.289 Take them to a place and then the next thing you know, all their 00:34:06.289 --> 00:34:07.590 buddies are coming out there too. 00:34:08.759 --> 00:34:13.080 Matt Jenkins: Probably, but at the same time, Um, I'm, you know, I'm not going 00:34:13.080 --> 00:34:15.500 to share where I go on a podcast, right. 00:34:15.530 --> 00:34:21.560 But I feel that there, if I'm sitting to somebody and you can have 00:34:21.560 --> 00:34:23.879 a conversation and you either know where you don't, okay, this, this 00:34:23.879 --> 00:34:27.049 person's, you know, they're, they're passionate, they've invested in things. 00:34:27.490 --> 00:34:29.409 Having a conversation with somebody like that, who's like 00:34:29.409 --> 00:34:33.164 minded and put similar effort in, I'm pretty cavalier with people. 00:34:33.275 --> 00:34:34.945 Spots, because let's be honest, right? 00:34:34.945 --> 00:34:37.835 If, if I end up talking and I mentioned the name of a drainage 00:34:37.835 --> 00:34:41.055 or a road or whatever, and the guy goes, Oh, like, you know, all of a 00:34:41.055 --> 00:34:43.935 sudden we're both, again, we're both benefiting from that conversation. 00:34:44.294 --> 00:34:46.855 But again, if I can sense somebody is on the taking side of the 00:34:46.855 --> 00:34:50.635 conversation, then obviously there's going to be a lot less given up. 00:34:51.070 --> 00:34:51.430 Right. 00:34:52.810 --> 00:34:57.990 Travis Bader: So you're down here in the lower mainland for another course. 00:34:58.080 --> 00:34:58.520 Correct. 00:34:58.910 --> 00:34:59.610 What's that course? 00:34:59.610 --> 00:35:01.110 You started telling me about it. 00:35:01.110 --> 00:35:02.350 I was like, Oh no, no, no, sounds interesting. 00:35:02.810 --> 00:35:03.400 Let's save it. 00:35:03.990 --> 00:35:06.869 Matt Jenkins: Um, yeah, so I'm, you mentioned already, I do carry a badge. 00:35:06.969 --> 00:35:13.660 Uh, I'm with your CMP second generation police officer, um, and through 00:35:13.750 --> 00:35:17.740 those family connections and friendly connections with the force, uh, starting 00:35:17.740 --> 00:35:20.680 my career, I knew I wanted to have a huge emphasis on wellness, right? 00:35:20.990 --> 00:35:26.140 I wanted to, um, Be physically, mentally, mentally and emotionally well 00:35:26.140 --> 00:35:30.520 throughout my career, and I wanted to learn the skills to, um, pass on to my 00:35:30.520 --> 00:35:34.330 peers to make sure that they were all, you know, not on the same page because 00:35:34.330 --> 00:35:38.940 everybody's Perceives things differently, but, um, sort of lead by example, but 00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:47.049 then when I did have a peer that was struggling, I was able to, uh, try my 00:35:47.050 --> 00:35:49.640 best to, to give them a leg up right now. 00:35:49.640 --> 00:35:53.750 I'm not being a clinician, but there's an incredible amount of. 00:35:54.220 --> 00:35:57.380 Uh, you can get through just peer support by relatability. 00:35:57.390 --> 00:36:01.850 So, uh, down and back in November, I had the, the pleasure of being on a 00:36:01.850 --> 00:36:05.600 course, um, which was what the RCMP calls the proactive support response team. 00:36:05.700 --> 00:36:07.140 The RCMP loves attack acronyms. 00:36:07.140 --> 00:36:11.459 So P CERT, and it is a new peer to peer model. 00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:18.200 Um, we're, uh, Available 24 seven to respond to things such as an employee in 00:36:18.200 --> 00:36:23.490 crisis, uh, for suicide, uh, self harm intervention, post critical incident 00:36:23.490 --> 00:36:28.850 support, um, or dealing with prolonged exposure to any sort of potentially 00:36:28.919 --> 00:36:30.909 psychologically traumatic event, right? 00:36:31.169 --> 00:36:34.079 PPTE, I think is the other acronym, uh, that, that would, it's been 00:36:34.080 --> 00:36:35.769 floated around quite a bit lately. 00:36:35.769 --> 00:36:44.690 So when, You are dealing with something, um, you can't just 00:36:44.700 --> 00:36:46.310 suck it up and move on, right? 00:36:46.390 --> 00:36:50.009 Um, it's, we as police officers are no different from anybody else. 00:36:50.010 --> 00:36:50.950 We take things home. 00:36:51.879 --> 00:36:53.670 We, we have to look after ourselves. 00:36:53.709 --> 00:36:58.319 Um, so by taking that course, the skills I learned, the knowledge I 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:02.935 obtained with how to Be that peer who, you know, I can't fix you, right? 00:37:02.935 --> 00:37:08.075 I can't remove the memory of a scene you've attended from your brain, but just 00:37:08.075 --> 00:37:11.855 to make those phone calls and make those connections or have those in person, um, 00:37:11.865 --> 00:37:14.505 sessions to talk about a traumatic event. 00:37:15.325 --> 00:37:16.924 There's a lot of power in that. 00:37:16.984 --> 00:37:20.685 And simply knowing that there's peers out there who are looking out for 00:37:20.685 --> 00:37:26.105 people when the old ways was to suck it up, find a way to deal with it. 00:37:26.105 --> 00:37:30.375 That's probably unhealthy, very beneficial to have that training back in November. 00:37:30.435 --> 00:37:34.735 Um, And it's interesting because a lot of the things that I learned and, and 00:37:34.735 --> 00:37:39.335 the mandate and how we respond to those post critical incident or, or traumatic 00:37:39.915 --> 00:37:42.674 files is something that I was already doing fairly unofficially, right? 00:37:42.675 --> 00:37:46.020 If I knew, uh, friends of mine, uh, Um, not even an area that I worked 00:37:46.020 --> 00:37:50.800 and had attended something that was unpleasant to say the least for me to 00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.940 pick up a phone call and say, Hey, I, you had to deal with something that 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:56.080 I wouldn't want to have to deal with. 00:37:56.080 --> 00:37:56.710 How are you doing? 00:37:56.750 --> 00:37:57.040 Right. 00:37:57.069 --> 00:37:58.090 How is it affecting you? 00:37:58.140 --> 00:37:58.480 Right. 00:37:58.640 --> 00:37:59.980 What's your plan for tomorrow? 00:38:01.219 --> 00:38:02.310 Really basic questions. 00:38:02.379 --> 00:38:05.990 Um, you know, would never, what was it like? 00:38:06.010 --> 00:38:06.580 What'd you see? 00:38:06.580 --> 00:38:07.170 What'd you smell? 00:38:07.190 --> 00:38:10.030 Those are not questions that are beneficial to somebody after 00:38:10.030 --> 00:38:15.665 they've just, you know, Experience something not so nice, but, um, and 00:38:15.665 --> 00:38:16.745 then having a conversation, right. 00:38:16.745 --> 00:38:17.695 And seeing where it went. 00:38:17.715 --> 00:38:21.375 And, um, it's always tough, even with people, you know, at a cold call and try 00:38:21.375 --> 00:38:25.285 to have a conversation about an experience that they would probably choose to forget. 00:38:25.865 --> 00:38:32.875 Um, but it was always left with a huge sense of like, okay, you know, I've, if I 00:38:32.885 --> 00:38:35.219 was in that person's shoes, I would want to know that I had had that experience. 00:38:36.730 --> 00:38:40.610 Um, I took some time off a couple years ago for my own mental health and 00:38:42.220 --> 00:38:46.040 the, the, the two people that phone me when they found out that I was taking 00:38:46.050 --> 00:38:49.560 time off, I will never forget that gesture and all it was was, Hey, I 00:38:49.570 --> 00:38:50.750 heard you're taking a bit of time off. 00:38:50.770 --> 00:38:51.429 Are you okay? 00:38:51.430 --> 00:38:53.049 And is there anything that I can do for you? 00:38:53.700 --> 00:38:54.969 Um, what did you say? 00:38:55.390 --> 00:38:57.400 I said, uh, I said, whatever Mountie says. 00:38:57.400 --> 00:38:57.940 Yeah, I'm fine. 00:38:58.050 --> 00:38:58.420 That's right. 00:38:58.420 --> 00:38:59.690 Feeling inside, not expressing. 00:39:00.160 --> 00:39:06.075 Um, But overwhelmingly grateful for the phone call and there, 00:39:06.075 --> 00:39:10.605 these are people that I, you know, have been to all kinds of files 00:39:10.615 --> 00:39:12.065 with who I would trust implicitly. 00:39:12.065 --> 00:39:15.385 So the fact that they reached out means a lot and I never held it against the 00:39:15.385 --> 00:39:16.615 folks who didn't reach out either. 00:39:16.695 --> 00:39:20.605 Um, that's not a thing, right there because the stigma still exists 00:39:20.615 --> 00:39:25.375 because there are people who maybe are not progressing in their own path 00:39:25.405 --> 00:39:27.015 to wellness for them to reach out. 00:39:27.185 --> 00:39:29.525 It certainly wouldn't more do more harm than good because it's always 00:39:29.525 --> 00:39:30.735 nice to know that people care. 00:39:31.700 --> 00:39:33.240 But yeah, I never held it against her. 00:39:33.240 --> 00:39:35.020 I never kept score of who called and who didn't. 00:39:35.020 --> 00:39:38.660 I just know that it felt really good to know people were looking out for me. 00:39:39.850 --> 00:39:44.400 Travis Bader: I got to wonder, um, and, and this probably would form some of 00:39:44.410 --> 00:39:48.680 the training you've done and we've gone through the delicate balance between, 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.940 uh, asking too much or not asking enough. 00:39:53.310 --> 00:39:57.620 Cause if you go to, if you're not reaching out and you're not asking, I 00:39:57.620 --> 00:40:02.195 mean, you're, There there's no impetus for an individual to at least say, or 00:40:02.195 --> 00:40:07.115 know that they're being cared for there's they've got support, but if you're 00:40:07.115 --> 00:40:11.785 reaching out and asking too much, could that not also have the same sort of 00:40:11.785 --> 00:40:15.175 effect of having to relive these things over and over again, as I just grew up. 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:16.950 I'm fine. 00:40:16.950 --> 00:40:17.440 I'm good. 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:17.700 Right. 00:40:17.750 --> 00:40:18.060 Matt Jenkins: Yeah. 00:40:18.100 --> 00:40:22.080 And, uh, you know, I, I always tread lightly and, and feel out the 00:40:22.090 --> 00:40:26.299 conversation because again, if, if you're having an acute psychological 00:40:26.300 --> 00:40:30.359 trauma response to something that is, that you will never forget, you don't 00:40:30.359 --> 00:40:32.739 know what your trigger is going to be six months, nine months down the road. 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.640 Um, and also vicarious trauma is a thing too, right? 00:40:36.640 --> 00:40:37.680 It's something that I was. 00:40:37.965 --> 00:40:40.985 I knew it was a thing, but I always felt that I had a pretty high threshold 00:40:40.985 --> 00:40:44.485 for, you know, having really frank conversations with friends who had 00:40:44.485 --> 00:40:48.025 been to files that I didn't go to and just talking shop essentially. 00:40:49.275 --> 00:40:54.325 Um, it's a tough balance because there's a lot of things I don't need to hear, right. 00:40:54.334 --> 00:40:59.254 Even hearing about things that are, you know, are not nice to 00:40:59.254 --> 00:41:03.235 hear about, but you also don't want to cut that person off because. 00:41:03.990 --> 00:41:08.300 If they need to express it because they're, they're hurting, right? 00:41:08.700 --> 00:41:12.260 You don't want to stop them, but it's a very tough balance to strike 00:41:13.210 --> 00:41:16.680 in a group setting, you know, with that piece or unit, um, one of the 00:41:16.680 --> 00:41:21.439 foundational baselines for how that model is moving forward is, is that when 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.599 you're doing your check in phone calls or sometimes in person geographically, 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:25.829 uh, when, when appropriate. 00:41:25.829 --> 00:41:30.685 And if you're doing an in person session with the team that went to, uh, Um, 00:41:31.055 --> 00:41:36.065 some sort of traumatic file, you know, the kind of the, one of the ground 00:41:36.065 --> 00:41:38.715 rules is, is that, okay, today we're going to get together, uh, we're going 00:41:38.715 --> 00:41:42.595 to talk about, um, you're going to acknowledge the event, you went to a, 00:41:42.955 --> 00:41:45.775 You know, an officer involved shooting, for example, at its worst case, right? 00:41:46.295 --> 00:41:49.395 We're not going to talk about what you did. 00:41:49.405 --> 00:41:51.135 We're not going to get into the details, what you did, 00:41:51.135 --> 00:41:52.385 what you saw, what you smelled. 00:41:52.865 --> 00:41:56.385 Those are things that are better left to discuss with a, with a clinician. 00:41:56.505 --> 00:41:59.145 But what we are going to talk about is what your role was, right? 00:41:59.405 --> 00:42:00.874 Were you the first member on scene? 00:42:00.885 --> 00:42:02.224 Were you physically involved? 00:42:02.225 --> 00:42:03.305 Were you the backup member? 00:42:03.335 --> 00:42:07.675 Were you, were you sitting in the office taking a statement and your radio is going 00:42:07.675 --> 00:42:11.115 off in your ear and you feel like you let your team down because you weren't there? 00:42:11.175 --> 00:42:12.185 That's a thing too, right? 00:42:13.180 --> 00:42:14.000 What was your role? 00:42:14.240 --> 00:42:15.310 How is it affecting you? 00:42:15.310 --> 00:42:18.110 And now, what have you found beneficial to move forward? 00:42:18.220 --> 00:42:24.320 And being able to then also reel people in if they start going down 00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:26.759 the rabbit hole of, you know, the sights and smells and things like 00:42:26.759 --> 00:42:28.899 that, that can trigger somebody else. 00:42:28.999 --> 00:42:32.250 Again, if I'm the guy in the office who is just putting my duty belt 00:42:32.270 --> 00:42:36.649 on and my friends are in a fight for their lives, I don't need to 00:42:36.650 --> 00:42:37.960 know what was happening on scene. 00:42:37.990 --> 00:42:41.910 Because that may just exacerbate my feeling of guilt because 00:42:41.910 --> 00:42:42.820 I wasn't out the door. 00:42:44.625 --> 00:42:44.825 Right. 00:42:44.825 --> 00:42:47.265 If I finished my coffee before I started my police car. 00:42:48.125 --> 00:42:48.745 Oh my gosh. 00:42:48.745 --> 00:42:49.555 Why did I do that? 00:42:49.995 --> 00:42:52.255 That there's just certain things you don't need to share. 00:42:52.725 --> 00:42:53.055 Hmm. 00:42:53.195 --> 00:42:53.635 Interesting. 00:42:53.674 --> 00:42:54.345 At some points. 00:42:54.365 --> 00:42:54.575 Right. 00:42:54.575 --> 00:42:56.874 I don't want to say car wash, but yeah, there's certain things better 00:42:56.874 --> 00:42:57.874 left for a different setting. 00:42:59.134 --> 00:43:04.135 Travis Bader: So, and you're mentioning, so physical, mental, emotional health. 00:43:05.105 --> 00:43:10.265 I would say out of the three, physical would probably be the most important. 00:43:11.205 --> 00:43:12.615 Matt Jenkins: I don't think you can put a value on it. 00:43:13.005 --> 00:43:15.494 Um, obviously, yeah, physically you have to go home. 00:43:15.494 --> 00:43:17.184 You have to be physically alive to go home. 00:43:17.185 --> 00:43:17.905 That is important. 00:43:17.935 --> 00:43:20.645 But think about the damage, the dimensional and emotional. 00:43:21.125 --> 00:43:22.345 Uh, trauma can cause, right? 00:43:22.355 --> 00:43:24.315 That can lead to the physical, right? 00:43:24.485 --> 00:43:26.585 That can lead to self harm or suicide, right? 00:43:27.075 --> 00:43:31.965 Um, and also too, the body doesn't know whether it's, 00:43:32.085 --> 00:43:33.775 uh, mental or physical trauma. 00:43:33.824 --> 00:43:37.255 If you have that trauma response, the body just knows trauma is trauma, right? 00:43:37.255 --> 00:43:38.865 Of course, there's the physical pain. 00:43:40.215 --> 00:43:43.505 Your body knows that you're in a situation that invokes that fight or 00:43:43.505 --> 00:43:49.455 flight response, and the way your brain perceives it really doesn't differentiate. 00:43:49.705 --> 00:43:54.785 So the, the You know, the snowball effect of, um, what that mental and 00:43:54.785 --> 00:43:58.555 emotional trauma can do is that can lead to, you know, the physical stress 00:43:58.585 --> 00:44:02.485 responses, you know, uh, affecting sleep and weight gain and all those things 00:44:02.485 --> 00:44:04.205 can be a by product of that physical. 00:44:04.205 --> 00:44:08.274 So, you know, I've sort of contradicted myself cause yeah, you have to go 00:44:08.274 --> 00:44:11.615 home physically, but to not deal with the other things would be a 00:44:11.615 --> 00:44:13.135 disservice to yourself and your peers. 00:44:13.325 --> 00:44:13.665 Well, 00:44:13.755 --> 00:44:17.195 Travis Bader: and I, this is without any research, this is just my own 00:44:17.205 --> 00:44:22.650 layman's approach at looking at things, trying to mentally Think 00:44:22.650 --> 00:44:30.560 myself into a better mind space or, uh, mentally use that to help my emotional 00:44:30.830 --> 00:44:32.549 responses to whatever I might think. 00:44:32.860 --> 00:44:37.100 Be it's pretty impossible for me. 00:44:37.100 --> 00:44:41.130 I don't know, maybe some people can do it, but, uh, for me getting up and going 00:44:41.130 --> 00:44:45.010 for a walk, going for a run, taking care of that physical thing, first 00:44:45.010 --> 00:44:49.059 and foremost, the other thing seemed to follow from there and allows me to 00:44:49.070 --> 00:44:53.829 be able to then deal with the mental and deal with the, uh, the emotional. 00:44:54.530 --> 00:44:56.600 But I don't see it the other way around. 00:44:56.630 --> 00:45:01.050 I don't see myself trying to work on myself emotionally or mentally, and then, 00:45:01.070 --> 00:45:09.169 okay, now let's go out and I don't see the same, um, cost benefit as I do of let's 00:45:09.169 --> 00:45:10.790 get out and get that heart rate going. 00:45:10.810 --> 00:45:13.430 And all of a sudden things start to click a little bit better and 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:14.720 allows me to do the other one. 00:45:14.720 --> 00:45:14.960 So. 00:45:15.340 --> 00:45:18.620 I, I don't know if that's a thing or not, or if that's an ADHD or me thing. 00:45:18.700 --> 00:45:18.890 It kind 00:45:18.890 --> 00:45:20.340 Matt Jenkins: of goes back to the power of perspective. 00:45:20.420 --> 00:45:23.040 And, you know, for example, I've had some injuries, uh, and one of 00:45:23.040 --> 00:45:27.550 the things that I find is that I have a tremendous amount of, uh, 00:45:27.610 --> 00:45:29.430 difficulty trusting my body, right? 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.679 You know, even the prospect sometimes, luckily I've worked through a lot 00:45:32.680 --> 00:45:35.830 of these, uh, issues that I've sustained from some on duty injuries, 00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.980 some off duty injuries, and just the fact that I'm not 15 anymore. 00:45:39.490 --> 00:45:43.450 Um, and, So at sometimes the prospect of I'm going to go for a run today. 00:45:43.460 --> 00:45:46.570 And then I start thinking about what if I get into that run and I start hurting, 00:45:46.650 --> 00:45:48.030 what if something creeps back up? 00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:53.570 It's a pretty crappy feeling and it really stalemated me a long time with fitness. 00:45:53.570 --> 00:45:56.670 I like being active and it's a part of that sort of personal wellbeing. 00:45:57.490 --> 00:46:00.289 So to, you know, I'm physically, I'm healed, right? 00:46:00.459 --> 00:46:03.840 I've got, I have had great practitioners that have get and trainers and 00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.270 coaches that have gotten me back to the point where I, yes, I know 00:46:06.270 --> 00:46:07.470 I can physically trust my body. 00:46:07.470 --> 00:46:10.730 I'm no longer injured, but then having to work through the mental piece 00:46:10.750 --> 00:46:13.540 of, Hey, I'm You're not injured. 00:46:13.700 --> 00:46:17.690 You need to start trusting your body and you need to start working back up and 00:46:17.690 --> 00:46:23.919 increasing that threshold of physical training To again learn to trust your 00:46:23.919 --> 00:46:27.499 body So it really feeds back and forth, but the mental piece for me has been 00:46:27.499 --> 00:46:31.100 huge over the last couple years But again, right if you've ever been through 00:46:31.100 --> 00:46:35.130 that then you can maybe identify it with it and if you haven't then it's a 00:46:35.130 --> 00:46:39.770 perspective that is just it's Not maybe not as common as the other way around 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.190 Travis Bader: So what do you find as an effective method for 00:46:42.190 --> 00:46:43.890 yourself dealing with that mental 00:46:43.890 --> 00:46:44.360 Matt Jenkins: piece? 00:46:44.720 --> 00:46:50.750 Um, having lots of good conversations with peers who are, are, are fit, 00:46:50.750 --> 00:46:55.220 who train, um, my physiotherapist has been phenomenal, right? 00:46:55.240 --> 00:46:56.769 Very wise, very smart guy. 00:46:56.809 --> 00:46:59.069 Um, does a lot of training on his own, right. 00:46:59.070 --> 00:47:02.189 And be able for him to kind of reinforce the fact that like, yeah, I'm, I'm working 00:47:02.190 --> 00:47:05.660 you and I'm treating you to keep the maintenance program, to keep me moving. 00:47:06.600 --> 00:47:07.870 You're not injured, right? 00:47:07.900 --> 00:47:08.330 Go for it. 00:47:08.745 --> 00:47:09.995 And that helps the mental side. 00:47:10.085 --> 00:47:10.245 Yeah. 00:47:10.245 --> 00:47:10.975 It helps the mental side. 00:47:10.975 --> 00:47:12.365 If I go him and say, Hey, my knee hurts. 00:47:12.395 --> 00:47:12.645 Right. 00:47:12.645 --> 00:47:15.105 And he does some diagnostic checks and he does what he needs to do. 00:47:15.105 --> 00:47:17.564 And he says, no, man, if it hurts, it hurts. 00:47:17.565 --> 00:47:20.895 And we can try to figure out why, but diagnostically go 00:47:20.895 --> 00:47:22.315 for a run, see what happens. 00:47:22.315 --> 00:47:23.845 And then I go for that run and I'm like, Hey. 00:47:26.135 --> 00:47:26.495 Cool. 00:47:27.025 --> 00:47:27.355 Yeah. 00:47:27.405 --> 00:47:29.815 And next thing you know, the next day I'm out and I'm running again, 00:47:29.815 --> 00:47:31.335 or I'm wrecking or, or whatever. 00:47:31.335 --> 00:47:35.005 So it, yeah, they really do kind of feed off one another. 00:47:35.075 --> 00:47:39.854 And then again, uh, maybe, you know, the knee hurts again or something else tweaks. 00:47:39.855 --> 00:47:42.284 And next thing you know, I'm back to that place of, okay, the physical 00:47:42.284 --> 00:47:45.715 pain is gone, but I feel like I don't want to test the waters. 00:47:47.075 --> 00:47:50.775 Travis Bader: I'm still toying with this, this idea of ignorance is bliss. 00:47:51.435 --> 00:47:57.475 Um, I mean, I, It's like for the longest time, I had no idea that 00:47:57.485 --> 00:48:03.455 what I put in my body, what I ate had an effect on how I felt afterwards. 00:48:03.574 --> 00:48:07.715 I would just eat and maybe I felt a certain way, like the two things 00:48:07.715 --> 00:48:12.365 just didn't correlate to me for whatever reason, or like, you know, 00:48:12.385 --> 00:48:16.525 some, my wife's a chef and she's got a fantastic palate and I'm eating 00:48:16.525 --> 00:48:17.705 stuff like, oh, this is great. 00:48:17.705 --> 00:48:19.175 She's like, I don't know, don't you taste? 00:48:19.205 --> 00:48:20.714 And she picks up all these little things. 00:48:20.715 --> 00:48:23.360 And all of a sudden I'm thinking about, I'm Yeah. 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:23.710 Okay. 00:48:23.710 --> 00:48:26.080 I recognize this now and now it doesn't taste so great anymore. 00:48:26.090 --> 00:48:26.340 Right. 00:48:26.530 --> 00:48:28.750 Same thing with physical on my body. 00:48:28.750 --> 00:48:32.629 If I, I don't know, I I've got the ability. 00:48:32.629 --> 00:48:36.349 I just turned my head off when I'm hurting in the, in the body, unless it gets 00:48:36.350 --> 00:48:38.340 really bad and my body stops working. 00:48:38.449 --> 00:48:44.050 And, um, and I, I don't know if that's a good thing, I don't know 00:48:44.050 --> 00:48:47.210 if it's a bad thing, but the same thing for mental health, like. 00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:52.050 If there's people around you that are like, oh my God, what a 00:48:52.050 --> 00:48:53.760 terrible situation you're just in. 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:56.699 And I, I don't know how you're able to go through this and they're 00:48:56.699 --> 00:49:01.130 reinforcing all of these, all of their perceptions and negativities about it. 00:49:01.420 --> 00:49:04.700 And maybe you're like, I never thought of it that way. 00:49:04.730 --> 00:49:07.170 I never tasted those flavors, right? 00:49:07.585 --> 00:49:10.365 Um, I'm, I'm still playing around with this, this whole 00:49:10.365 --> 00:49:12.845 idea of ignorance is maybe bliss. 00:49:13.225 --> 00:49:15.175 Matt Jenkins: And to a certain extent, you're absolutely bang on. 00:49:15.235 --> 00:49:18.994 Uh, and again, another one of the things that, uh, is in that, um, piece or 00:49:18.994 --> 00:49:21.414 bottle when we're phoning and checking in, you're, you're acknowledging 00:49:21.414 --> 00:49:25.349 that event, but you also want to acknowledge that whatever, whatever, 00:49:25.349 --> 00:49:30.465 whatever Huge range of feelings or emotions that person may or may not, 00:49:30.535 --> 00:49:32.405 very importantly, may not be feeling. 00:49:32.435 --> 00:49:33.325 That's okay. 00:49:33.915 --> 00:49:36.315 If I'm phoning you to check in and you say, Hey, you know what? 00:49:36.315 --> 00:49:39.375 Yeah, it wasn't great, but I feel fine, right? 00:49:39.375 --> 00:49:40.965 This isn't the first time I've been through this or I 00:49:40.975 --> 00:49:42.255 have my healthy coping habits. 00:49:42.255 --> 00:49:46.405 I have my friends, I have my family, whatever that they have, to, to 00:49:46.415 --> 00:49:49.715 be okay, then, then they're okay. 00:49:49.775 --> 00:49:50.025 Right. 00:49:50.025 --> 00:49:52.375 And you almost want to give them a high five because you're like, awesome. 00:49:52.495 --> 00:49:52.865 Great. 00:49:53.275 --> 00:49:59.455 If things change, of course we, we should revisit this, but I don't want to, we, 00:49:59.455 --> 00:50:03.205 we can't be assuming that people should be feeling a certain way, or we shouldn't 00:50:03.205 --> 00:50:06.545 be assuming that everybody's going to react the same to something traumatic. 00:50:06.545 --> 00:50:07.215 You know, there's, and. 00:50:08.950 --> 00:50:10.050 We all kind of have our thing. 00:50:10.110 --> 00:50:13.150 There's certain types of files that may affect me more than my peer. 00:50:13.150 --> 00:50:15.540 And there's certain things that, you know, vice versa, right? 00:50:16.640 --> 00:50:19.120 So we just have to acknowledge the, the range of emotions. 00:50:19.120 --> 00:50:23.050 But then the other important thing with that too, is, is that if you get used 00:50:23.060 --> 00:50:26.609 to somebody from a peer support unit calling you after everything that may 00:50:26.609 --> 00:50:30.200 be psychologically triggering, it's another step in reducing that stigma. 00:50:30.390 --> 00:50:33.630 Because if you're like, Oh, I went to X or Y or Z, I know somebody from. 00:50:33.825 --> 00:50:36.955 Um, uh, a peer to peer team is going to be reaching out. 00:50:37.685 --> 00:50:39.935 You become, you expect those phone calls. 00:50:40.035 --> 00:50:41.825 Um, if you don't need any supports, then great. 00:50:41.905 --> 00:50:42.195 Right. 00:50:42.265 --> 00:50:44.025 Uh, if things change, then you know where to find us. 00:50:44.775 --> 00:50:49.555 But then maybe on the 10th file you've been to, and this is going to be the 00:50:49.555 --> 00:50:52.314 10th check in you're going to get either in person or over the phone. 00:50:52.535 --> 00:50:53.615 Maybe that's the time you do need 00:50:53.615 --> 00:50:53.985 Travis Bader: support. 00:50:54.185 --> 00:50:55.205 Maybe you're looking forward to it. 00:50:55.205 --> 00:50:56.325 Like, when are they going to call? 00:50:56.325 --> 00:50:57.105 When are they going to call? 00:50:57.105 --> 00:50:57.495 When are they going to 00:50:57.495 --> 00:50:57.955 Matt Jenkins: call? 00:50:58.235 --> 00:51:02.225 This is bothering me and I don't know what I have available for help. 00:51:02.575 --> 00:51:02.905 Right. 00:51:02.915 --> 00:51:05.635 So the fact that you don't have to look for those answers, you don't have to 00:51:05.635 --> 00:51:07.905 feel guilty for asking for support. 00:51:08.485 --> 00:51:11.735 I've been to files where, you know, you get back to the detachment, like, 00:51:11.735 --> 00:51:12.494 all right, how's everybody doing? 00:51:12.494 --> 00:51:13.635 Is anybody need a debrief? 00:51:13.635 --> 00:51:14.955 And you kind of look at it around the room. 00:51:18.624 --> 00:51:19.175 Travis Bader: No one else 00:51:19.195 --> 00:51:19.414 Matt Jenkins: wants one. 00:51:19.414 --> 00:51:20.655 I'm putting my hand back down. 00:51:20.675 --> 00:51:21.045 Right. 00:51:21.095 --> 00:51:27.105 And so just, if you know that those things are in place, you don't have to be the 00:51:27.105 --> 00:51:31.520 one when you are having a, A terrible day, for lack of a better way to put it. 00:51:32.370 --> 00:51:34.650 You don't have to be the one to put yourself out there. 00:51:34.690 --> 00:51:34.950 Right. 00:51:34.950 --> 00:51:38.060 Because even among trusted peers, it is a tough thing to do. 00:51:38.809 --> 00:51:41.330 Travis Bader: So if we can recognize, and you said that, you know, 00:51:41.330 --> 00:51:43.290 typical Mountie thing, I'm fine. 00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:43.870 Right. 00:51:45.049 --> 00:51:46.549 I'd say that's typical in a lot 00:51:46.549 --> 00:51:47.419 Matt Jenkins: of groups, right? 00:51:47.750 --> 00:51:48.419 Not just Mounties. 00:51:48.439 --> 00:51:49.700 We didn't, we didn't patent the term. 00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:54.230 Travis Bader: Um, if we can recognize. 00:51:55.030 --> 00:51:57.620 That very often people are just going to say, I'm fine. 00:51:57.680 --> 00:51:58.600 No, things are good. 00:51:58.690 --> 00:51:59.030 Right. 00:51:59.850 --> 00:52:00.000 All right. 00:52:00.250 --> 00:52:04.520 You guys receive training on like nonverbal paraverbal type 00:52:04.690 --> 00:52:08.500 cues that you might be able to pick up on that indicators that 00:52:08.600 --> 00:52:10.149 maybe the person isn't fine. 00:52:10.940 --> 00:52:11.110 Matt Jenkins: Yeah. 00:52:11.110 --> 00:52:15.235 I mean, um, Just going back to our training, even at depo, right? 00:52:15.255 --> 00:52:17.975 When you're as green as it gets and you're wearing your stupid little blue 00:52:18.005 --> 00:52:23.845 cadet epaulettes at Regina, freezing when it's minus 85, body language is huge. 00:52:23.845 --> 00:52:25.455 And again, this isn't unique to policing, right? 00:52:25.455 --> 00:52:29.085 If you've, if you're, if you're, if you like interacting with people physically 00:52:29.085 --> 00:52:33.144 through conversation or even if it watched a movie ever in your life, the things 00:52:33.144 --> 00:52:37.865 that can be betrayed silently are huge, but we still can't force people, right? 00:52:37.915 --> 00:52:40.114 Like, you know, if I, well, yeah, I'm fine. 00:52:40.115 --> 00:52:40.165 Yeah. 00:52:40.605 --> 00:52:40.935 I'm good. 00:52:41.355 --> 00:52:41.685 Right. 00:52:42.655 --> 00:52:47.405 To, to, to proak and to prod, all I'm going to do is probably annoy that person. 00:52:47.505 --> 00:52:47.705 Right. 00:52:47.955 --> 00:52:50.514 Um, so that's when you have to kind of shift into like, 00:52:50.515 --> 00:52:52.025 okay, you know, are they fine? 00:52:52.055 --> 00:52:53.065 Well, probably not. 00:52:53.225 --> 00:52:53.555 Right. 00:52:53.575 --> 00:52:56.505 But all I have to do is trust that. 00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:58.140 If I say, okay, hey, you know what? 00:52:58.140 --> 00:52:59.620 I'm happy to hear you're fine. 00:53:00.130 --> 00:53:02.160 Um, I'm going to send you an email and it's going to have 00:53:02.160 --> 00:53:04.990 all your, your benefits, your access to psychological support. 00:53:05.040 --> 00:53:07.780 I'm going to pass off our email proxy and our phone number should 00:53:07.780 --> 00:53:08.850 you need to reach back out. 00:53:09.410 --> 00:53:11.970 Um, and I just want to acknowledge the fact that it's okay to be fine. 00:53:12.020 --> 00:53:16.530 You don't have to feel anything after this and just reinforce that. 00:53:17.405 --> 00:53:20.585 However, their feelings, okay, even if they're not being honest and also too, 00:53:21.105 --> 00:53:26.365 with that stigma still existing, it might take some time and it's entirely possible 00:53:26.375 --> 00:53:27.785 that they don't know what they're feeling. 00:53:28.275 --> 00:53:28.595 Right. 00:53:29.084 --> 00:53:33.025 You're upside down and backwards and you're like, what did I just see? 00:53:33.065 --> 00:53:34.315 What did I just do? 00:53:34.905 --> 00:53:35.414 I don't know what. 00:53:35.475 --> 00:53:36.704 What, 00:53:37.285 --> 00:53:39.255 Travis Bader: how am I, yeah, how do you process it? 00:53:39.785 --> 00:53:42.995 You know, in line with the whole ignorance is bliss thinking that, 00:53:42.995 --> 00:53:45.035 uh, I've been toying around. 00:53:45.145 --> 00:53:48.015 I also look at, uh, societal perception. 00:53:49.235 --> 00:53:55.695 I think a lot of times, uh, people can have psychological and mental issues 00:53:55.704 --> 00:54:00.615 based on how they feel others around them are perceiving it or the societal, 00:54:00.835 --> 00:54:05.975 I think you, I mean, you You think of the, uh, the age old Vietnam veterans 00:54:05.975 --> 00:54:10.514 coming back and shell shock and PTSD and all the things that were just kind 00:54:10.515 --> 00:54:16.295 of new at the time, or at least new terms, um, they weren't being greeted 00:54:16.305 --> 00:54:18.485 back with hugs and high fives, right? 00:54:18.505 --> 00:54:20.415 They weren't being greeted back as tragic. 00:54:21.905 --> 00:54:25.275 Because society is looking at any, all of a sudden, all these things that these 00:54:25.275 --> 00:54:28.954 people left to do, that they felt they're doing their best and risking their lives 00:54:28.954 --> 00:54:31.265 in order to help and do the good thing. 00:54:31.265 --> 00:54:34.395 And they're coming back and everyone's kind of turning their back on them. 00:54:34.395 --> 00:54:38.695 I think that may have a far more. 00:54:38.985 --> 00:54:46.655 Uh, detrimental psychological, uh, consequence than, than the actual 00:54:46.665 --> 00:54:49.755 event itself, because then you start thinking about the event and start 00:54:49.755 --> 00:54:52.544 ruminating on it and going back through it, and maybe I should have done 00:54:52.545 --> 00:54:55.855 things differently as opposed to people that could have been through the same 00:54:55.855 --> 00:54:58.885 situation or were welcome back as heroes. 00:54:58.905 --> 00:55:00.275 And thank you so much. 00:55:00.295 --> 00:55:02.295 And it was terrible, but it needed to be done. 00:55:02.955 --> 00:55:07.765 I think the, the whole societal perspective is, uh, plays a very big role 00:55:07.765 --> 00:55:08.274 Matt Jenkins: in this. 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:13.170 You know, I, I had a, I, every time I'm down and I have some free time, 00:55:13.310 --> 00:55:17.350 uh, I, I try to always get into my old high school, um, and just, you know, 00:55:17.350 --> 00:55:20.530 go to, you know, Steve's classroom where he has kids and say, Hey, I'm 00:55:20.530 --> 00:55:21.980 here, ask me some questions, right? 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:23.059 Or don't, I don't really care. 00:55:23.429 --> 00:55:25.540 I'm just happy to go be that sort of community presence. 00:55:25.540 --> 00:55:28.449 And I did it in at home as well, being the school liaison for high 00:55:28.450 --> 00:55:30.720 school for, uh, just about five years. 00:55:31.580 --> 00:55:35.240 And I had interaction with a couple, uh, students yesterday 00:55:35.470 --> 00:55:37.860 and they had, Great questions. 00:55:37.860 --> 00:55:38.110 Right. 00:55:38.110 --> 00:55:40.950 Cause you know, they were asking me, you know, how do you deal 00:55:40.950 --> 00:55:41.870 with what you see on the job? 00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:42.970 And I said, man, I'm just a human. 00:55:42.980 --> 00:55:44.050 I'm just a guy just like you. 00:55:44.140 --> 00:55:51.000 I'm not putting this uniform on doesn't remove my empathy or my sense to feel. 00:55:51.059 --> 00:55:51.379 Right. 00:55:51.889 --> 00:55:56.140 Um, and I thought it would give a couple of really mature questions 00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:59.370 for coming from some high school kids, essentially of, you know, how 00:55:59.370 --> 00:56:00.600 do you deal with what you've seen? 00:56:00.610 --> 00:56:01.770 How do you deal with what you're done? 00:56:01.770 --> 00:56:02.030 Right. 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.669 Have you had certain types of interactions with people and being 00:56:04.669 --> 00:56:06.070 able to say like, yeah, I have. 00:56:06.070 --> 00:56:08.460 And it was not great, but You know what? 00:56:08.470 --> 00:56:09.450 These are my supports. 00:56:09.450 --> 00:56:13.750 And more importantly, here's how you can apply these same 00:56:13.750 --> 00:56:14.980 things to your life, right? 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.210 Just because I'm a police officer doesn't mean that you can't apply the things that 00:56:19.210 --> 00:56:23.449 I do to when you have a bad day at school, because a bad day is a bad day, right? 00:56:23.450 --> 00:56:25.650 Some are worse than others, but who am I to judge what they're feeling? 00:56:26.065 --> 00:56:29.685 So, you know, talking about those, you know, things that I do, staying 00:56:29.695 --> 00:56:33.205 hobby heavy, being physically active, having an amazing spouse, who's, who's 00:56:33.205 --> 00:56:38.215 my biggest fan and supporter, having friends that I can talk to, um, who 00:56:38.255 --> 00:56:41.455 aren't in law enforcement is great. 00:56:41.774 --> 00:56:46.025 And if they have, If they can apply those things to any aspect of their 00:56:46.025 --> 00:56:49.725 life or future careers, then hopefully that's a nugget that I've given 00:56:49.725 --> 00:56:50.925 them that they can carry forward. 00:56:51.664 --> 00:56:51.744 Yeah. 00:56:51.865 --> 00:56:54.164 Travis Bader: Putting the uniform on doesn't make you superhuman in 00:56:54.164 --> 00:56:57.654 the same way we all learned as kids, wearing a cape doesn't mean you can 00:56:57.654 --> 00:56:58.154 Matt Jenkins: fly. 00:56:58.284 --> 00:56:58.574 Yeah. 00:56:58.585 --> 00:56:58.815 Right. 00:56:58.815 --> 00:57:01.114 It was probably a shattered roof or two that seen kids 00:57:01.164 --> 00:57:02.175 that learned that the hard way. 00:57:02.615 --> 00:57:08.490 Um, and, uh, but even too, as, um, you know, You know, peer to peer, right? 00:57:08.530 --> 00:57:09.980 I think that we, 00:57:13.110 --> 00:57:17.700 when we're, um, interacting with folks after an event, um, You 00:57:17.700 --> 00:57:21.190 know, we need to just be completely judgment free again, what they're 00:57:21.190 --> 00:57:22.240 feeling, what they're not feeling. 00:57:23.260 --> 00:57:24.120 And that it's interesting. 00:57:24.120 --> 00:57:27.249 You know, you, you'd asked me, this is where the ADD brain of mine came in. 00:57:27.250 --> 00:57:29.400 Cause you asked me what I was just down for now, and I was talking 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:31.690 about something I did in November, but trust me, there's a connection. 00:57:32.070 --> 00:57:36.460 Uh, so the course I was just doing last week, um, Was what we call 00:57:36.460 --> 00:57:37.850 the national reintegration program. 00:57:37.850 --> 00:57:41.250 And I want to preface this by saying, um, proactive support response 00:57:41.250 --> 00:57:42.770 team, national reintegration. 00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:45.400 I can't take any credit for anything because I was a 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:46.570 candidate in these courses, right? 00:57:46.570 --> 00:57:49.070 People way smarter with way more experience than me 00:57:49.289 --> 00:57:50.449 have developed these things. 00:57:51.459 --> 00:57:54.119 All I've done is be on the winning end of learning from 00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:55.830 these people to help my people. 00:57:56.055 --> 00:57:56.395 Right. 00:57:56.425 --> 00:57:58.815 Which is everybody in policing is one of your people, right? 00:57:58.815 --> 00:58:02.485 And every time something tragic happens, you're reminded that just because 00:58:02.485 --> 00:58:04.585 you didn't know somebody doesn't mean they're not one of your people. 00:58:04.595 --> 00:58:12.605 So, you know, to have that, um, that, that piece or piece to be able to, um, see what 00:58:12.605 --> 00:58:17.065 your peers need after a critical incident in that, that, um, imminent stage. 00:58:17.065 --> 00:58:22.345 But then too, with the reintegration program now, um, Employees who have 00:58:22.345 --> 00:58:25.725 been off work, uh, whether it's from a critical incident, whether it's from, 00:58:25.765 --> 00:58:30.335 um, any sort of suspension, whether it's from even a matter of pat leave, 00:58:31.375 --> 00:58:34.474 if they're having some anxiety about getting into the workplace to have this 00:58:34.474 --> 00:58:39.635 really open ended program to be like, what do you need from peers to make you 00:58:39.675 --> 00:58:41.104 more comfortable back at the workplace? 00:58:41.734 --> 00:58:42.635 Do you want to go to the range? 00:58:42.635 --> 00:58:45.085 Do you want to stand outside the range and hear a gun going off? 00:58:45.435 --> 00:58:47.575 And then maybe you get a little closer and then maybe you 00:58:47.575 --> 00:58:48.805 stand next to me when I shoot. 00:58:48.805 --> 00:58:50.365 So you're re acclimated to that sound. 00:58:50.615 --> 00:58:51.655 Let's go to the range, right? 00:58:52.255 --> 00:58:54.735 Are you having anxiety over body image because you went 00:58:54.735 --> 00:58:55.785 off and you've gained weight? 00:58:55.885 --> 00:58:57.985 Let me order your new duty belt for you. 00:58:58.055 --> 00:59:03.425 Um, if you've lost faith in your team and the organization, let's 00:59:03.425 --> 00:59:06.665 do something team building, let's, let's go to an escape room, right? 00:59:06.665 --> 00:59:07.265 You mentioned that. 00:59:07.874 --> 00:59:12.314 Anything, anything that you need, it, it, it was a phenomenal program and 00:59:13.285 --> 00:59:17.374 putting that affected member first when we're surrounded by red tape 00:59:17.455 --> 00:59:19.645 in a, in any, Large organization. 00:59:20.535 --> 00:59:22.425 It was a really a breath of fresh air. 00:59:22.455 --> 00:59:27.165 And again, the more we're learning last week, the more I'm thinking of Friends 00:59:27.175 --> 00:59:32.845 and partners and peers that I've had that I'm like what an absolute Tragedy 00:59:32.934 --> 00:59:38.184 that people that I know in respect to are now retired Could this have prevented 00:59:38.184 --> 00:59:40.825 them from retiring if they're done with policing they're done with policing But 00:59:41.815 --> 00:59:48.615 so many people who could benefit from things like this To put them first in the 00:59:48.615 --> 00:59:51.755 organization to get them back to work to look at them as a person and not a tool. 00:59:52.970 --> 00:59:56.790 To empower them to get back to what they hopefully still like to do. 00:59:58.070 --> 01:00:00.050 Travis Bader: And this might be a two part thing, but you mentioned 01:00:00.050 --> 01:00:04.680 before, one of the tools that you use is to be hobby heavy. 01:00:04.740 --> 01:00:05.150 Oh yeah. 01:00:05.329 --> 01:00:06.470 What do you mean by that? 01:00:06.670 --> 01:00:14.695 Matt Jenkins: Um, yeah, so, um, My personal identity of Matt is so much more 01:00:14.695 --> 01:00:17.615 important to me than Constable Jenkins. 01:00:17.945 --> 01:00:20.614 I even just kind of cringe whenever somebody calls me that. 01:00:20.615 --> 01:00:23.605 I always introduce myself as Matt, just about 90 percent of the time. 01:00:24.165 --> 01:00:25.815 Um, I love what I do. 01:00:25.885 --> 01:00:28.010 Uh, and Let's make no mistake. 01:00:28.070 --> 01:00:28.980 I love what I do. 01:00:29.040 --> 01:00:31.940 I want to do anything else and I've had some amazing opportunities 01:00:31.950 --> 01:00:33.080 with some amazing people. 01:00:33.970 --> 01:00:38.919 But at some point I'm going to hand that badge and that gun in, and I'm going to 01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:42.380 walk out a door and it's going to be done. 01:00:42.510 --> 01:00:42.850 Right. 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:47.030 And somebody, hopefully we've got our, uh, resource levels up a little bit. 01:00:47.030 --> 01:00:49.950 So hopefully there's somebody taking my place the day I walk out that door at the 01:00:49.950 --> 01:00:53.940 end of my career and that organization, the gears are going to keep turning. 01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:54.019 Right. 01:00:54.020 --> 01:00:54.300 Right. 01:00:54.540 --> 01:01:01.230 So what I'm doing now to preserve my personal identity through being hobby 01:01:01.230 --> 01:01:06.350 heavy and having true passions is a very important investment in myself. 01:01:06.420 --> 01:01:12.139 Um, uh, a fella who I worked with early in my career, who I have a tremendous 01:01:12.139 --> 01:01:15.340 amount of respect for, he actually took the core examiner course from you. 01:01:15.730 --> 01:01:18.570 Um, he told me Was this 01:01:18.580 --> 01:01:19.140 Travis Bader: just recently? 01:01:19.140 --> 01:01:20.690 A year ago. 01:01:20.985 --> 01:01:21.275 Here you go. 01:01:21.285 --> 01:01:21.615 Okay. 01:01:21.615 --> 01:01:21.835 Yeah. 01:01:22.175 --> 01:01:24.865 I ran a class of new examiners through a couple of 01:01:24.865 --> 01:01:25.305 Matt Jenkins: months ago. 01:01:25.625 --> 01:01:26.955 Oh, it would have been longer than that. 01:01:26.955 --> 01:01:31.144 I want to say within the last 18 months, probably within a year and 18 months ago. 01:01:31.694 --> 01:01:35.105 Um, he'll remain nameless, but I hope that, you know, that when I'm sharing, 01:01:35.105 --> 01:01:37.785 I hope, I hope he hears it and I hope he gets, it puts a smile on his face. 01:01:37.785 --> 01:01:39.645 Cause again, the impact he's had on me is huge. 01:01:40.414 --> 01:01:43.735 And he says, you know, There's a lot of similarities between you and 01:01:43.735 --> 01:01:47.695 I, you like to shoot, you like to train, you are so keen on learning 01:01:47.705 --> 01:01:49.185 everything that this job has to give. 01:01:49.195 --> 01:01:52.355 He says, but Hey, here's another piece of commonality. 01:01:52.905 --> 01:01:53.865 We both love hunting. 01:01:53.885 --> 01:01:54.814 I was a guide. 01:01:54.855 --> 01:01:56.235 I guided for years. 01:01:56.994 --> 01:02:00.774 All I do now, the closest thing I do to hunting anymore, and the closest 01:02:00.774 --> 01:02:03.835 I've done to hunting in years is shooting animals on the side of the 01:02:03.835 --> 01:02:05.055 road when they've been hit by a car. 01:02:05.395 --> 01:02:06.275 Don't be me. 01:02:07.335 --> 01:02:10.775 Fight for your hobbies and fight for your friends who are not in this 01:02:10.775 --> 01:02:16.325 organization, because when that day comes that you have a terrible day and you 01:02:16.325 --> 01:02:20.915 need to take some time away, or you're floundering a little bit, you need to 01:02:20.915 --> 01:02:24.495 have that identity and those connections because that will reinforce that there's 01:02:24.504 --> 01:02:26.244 more to you than the uniform you wear. 01:02:26.535 --> 01:02:28.713 Travis Bader: That makes a hell of a lot of sense. 01:02:28.713 --> 01:02:28.982 Yep. 01:02:28.982 --> 01:02:31.679 See, when I first looked at that being hobby heavy. 01:02:32.200 --> 01:02:38.160 My mind originally went to a hobby that is going to be tied in with some sort of, uh, 01:02:38.380 --> 01:02:42.730 social aspect, social aspect outside of perhaps what you're doing, but it doesn't 01:02:42.730 --> 01:02:44.260 necessarily have to have that social 01:02:44.260 --> 01:02:44.800 Matt Jenkins: aspect. 01:02:45.110 --> 01:02:49.374 It certainly helps, you know, going to, uh, Red mountain and riding the 01:02:49.375 --> 01:02:50.895 chairlift in the singles line all day. 01:02:50.935 --> 01:02:51.515 I'm skiing. 01:02:51.515 --> 01:02:55.205 So I'm having fun, but I, uh, anything you do with, with, with close 01:02:55.205 --> 01:02:57.115 friends is 10 times what it is by 01:02:57.115 --> 01:02:57.585 Travis Bader: yourself. 01:02:57.744 --> 01:03:02.844 You see that Harvard study, the 80 year study where they, uh, log people 01:03:02.845 --> 01:03:07.784 from different, um, regions, different ethnic backgrounds, different, uh, 01:03:08.264 --> 01:03:10.384 nationalities, different genders, right. 01:03:10.605 --> 01:03:14.525 And they try and get this, uh, It's the longest study on 01:03:14.545 --> 01:03:16.615 happiness that's ever been done. 01:03:16.955 --> 01:03:18.605 Matt Jenkins: I haven't, I'd be interested to see it though. 01:03:18.675 --> 01:03:19.155 Travis Bader: Okay. 01:03:19.465 --> 01:03:25.825 The end result of that was the number one predictor for happiness 01:03:26.085 --> 01:03:31.385 in people across the entire spectrum with strong social connections. 01:03:31.554 --> 01:03:32.489 Yeah, I could see it. 01:03:32.750 --> 01:03:33.070 Yeah. 01:03:33.110 --> 01:03:38.130 And it boils down to how integrated are you with other people? 01:03:38.130 --> 01:03:39.860 And do they have your back? 01:03:39.870 --> 01:03:44.370 Do you have their back or your relationships, just likes and hearts 01:03:44.370 --> 01:03:46.840 and thumbs up on, on Instagram, right? 01:03:46.860 --> 01:03:51.110 Or are they sitting down face to face and having some real conversations? 01:03:51.569 --> 01:03:52.790 That's your number one predictor. 01:03:52.850 --> 01:03:54.850 Are you able to have strong social connections? 01:03:54.850 --> 01:03:59.710 And I'm reading this study and it's got a comment section and the 01:04:00.940 --> 01:04:02.760 huge number of people that say. 01:04:03.080 --> 01:04:04.270 I wish I had a connection. 01:04:04.350 --> 01:04:06.450 I wish I had somebody else I could reach out to. 01:04:07.060 --> 01:04:08.410 So many people. 01:04:08.890 --> 01:04:11.030 I don't have a good friend that I can, I can talk 01:04:11.030 --> 01:04:11.260 Matt Jenkins: to. 01:04:11.390 --> 01:04:13.420 It's, it's sad to hear, right? 01:04:13.470 --> 01:04:16.480 I, and I, my friends have made me who I am. 01:04:16.819 --> 01:04:19.460 Um, you know, I've got incredible friends. 01:04:19.510 --> 01:04:22.289 I don't feel worthy of their friendship most days and I 01:04:22.300 --> 01:04:23.440 wouldn't trade them for it. 01:04:25.885 --> 01:04:29.985 And it's my best group of friends came from high school. 01:04:30.135 --> 01:04:34.284 Um, my, I met my wife in grade nine and now most of her friends are 01:04:34.285 --> 01:04:35.725 now married to most of my friends. 01:04:35.725 --> 01:04:41.164 So it's, it's unique, but, uh, yeah, the fact that, you know, like I said, 01:04:41.164 --> 01:04:43.745 19 years ago was the last time I rode the woodlot in Maple Ridge with 01:04:43.745 --> 01:04:47.015 my best friend, Dan and Steve, who I'm staying with Dan this weekend. 01:04:47.025 --> 01:04:49.925 We still hunt together and he's still my best friend is, is awesome. 01:04:49.965 --> 01:04:51.315 And I wouldn't trade that for anything. 01:04:51.945 --> 01:04:55.745 Um, Not to discount the friends I've made through work because I have 01:04:55.745 --> 01:04:59.735 incredible peers and there are people that have truly turned into lifelong 01:04:59.745 --> 01:05:02.234 friends that started with policing. 01:05:03.344 --> 01:05:07.804 Um, but yeah, I just, I cherish the, those old friendships are irreplaceable. 01:05:08.475 --> 01:05:10.705 Travis Bader: When you hunt, do you typically solo hunt or 01:05:10.705 --> 01:05:12.324 are you hunting with others? 01:05:12.345 --> 01:05:13.164 Matt Jenkins: Hunting with others. 01:05:13.254 --> 01:05:14.885 Um, size of the group. 01:05:17.345 --> 01:05:20.575 Uh, it varies, you know, like when we go on our, our almost annual elk 01:05:20.625 --> 01:05:23.975 trip, it could be eight, 10 guys, but we're not all hunting together because. 01:05:24.195 --> 01:05:24.455 Right. 01:05:24.605 --> 01:05:26.654 I mean, it's something to be said for hounding, sounding like a herd 01:05:26.655 --> 01:05:28.244 of elk, but it's not productive. 01:05:28.424 --> 01:05:28.704 Right. 01:05:29.124 --> 01:05:33.025 Uh, kind of my tagline is when I'm hunting alone, it's for participation points. 01:05:33.144 --> 01:05:35.125 It's me looking at a K it's a nice day. 01:05:35.195 --> 01:05:37.665 I only have, how many more Septembers do I have in me? 01:05:37.835 --> 01:05:40.645 Lots, but not a lot at the same time. 01:05:40.655 --> 01:05:40.945 Right. 01:05:41.325 --> 01:05:43.975 Um, I just need to go do something, right? 01:05:43.975 --> 01:05:47.595 I need to go drive up a road, hopefully not come nose to nose with a grizzly bear. 01:05:47.635 --> 01:05:49.885 And if I see or hear critters, great. 01:05:49.885 --> 01:05:53.445 But if not, I can watch YouTube for the other 11 months 01:05:53.445 --> 01:05:54.365 out of the year this month. 01:05:54.365 --> 01:05:55.224 I need to get after it. 01:05:55.224 --> 01:05:55.504 Right. 01:05:55.514 --> 01:05:57.524 But my, I'm doing it for the sake of doing it. 01:05:58.114 --> 01:06:01.595 But again, when you're sharing that experience with your friends, again, 01:06:01.605 --> 01:06:04.345 like we've talked about a couple of times already, that's truly what 01:06:04.345 --> 01:06:06.035 makes that experience more special. 01:06:06.045 --> 01:06:06.205 Right. 01:06:06.205 --> 01:06:10.125 And again, my desire to go skiing and mountain biking alone, the same thing. 01:06:10.690 --> 01:06:15.740 I'm not going to pass up a nice day when you're hooting and hollering down a trail 01:06:15.740 --> 01:06:17.090 with friends like we were this morning. 01:06:18.060 --> 01:06:19.590 It's just smile. 01:06:19.590 --> 01:06:20.710 My face is authentic, right? 01:06:20.710 --> 01:06:21.660 You can't replicate it. 01:06:22.250 --> 01:06:22.710 So 01:06:23.090 --> 01:06:26.420 Travis Bader: the positive mental health aspects that you get from 01:06:26.420 --> 01:06:32.099 being in the outdoors or from hunting, where is that derived from for you? 01:06:35.680 --> 01:06:38.749 Matt Jenkins: Just doing something that I have a tremendous amount of passion for. 01:06:38.779 --> 01:06:39.149 Right. 01:06:39.219 --> 01:06:42.600 Um, Um, and passion at the most basic level of just out 01:06:42.600 --> 01:06:44.630 there learning, being present. 01:06:44.710 --> 01:06:49.980 Um, I think that's why hunting is one of the reasons, there's a million 01:06:49.980 --> 01:06:53.029 reasons, but one of the reasons why I do appreciate it is, is that, uh, 01:06:53.089 --> 01:06:55.950 it forces me to be present and it's interesting hunting with folks. 01:06:55.959 --> 01:07:01.210 Cause, uh, again, being ADD and having my brain doing 90 things at once, people 01:07:01.210 --> 01:07:04.150 have said like, you know, they watch me when I'm walking through the woods. 01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:08.669 I slowly, I start hunting and I slowly just end up walking as I 01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:12.365 start thinking about Everything else, but actually hunting and next thing 01:07:12.365 --> 01:07:16.135 you know, I'm trampling around, not being quiet, not looking around. 01:07:16.135 --> 01:07:17.375 And then I just like snap myself back. 01:07:17.375 --> 01:07:18.035 Like, Hey, dummy. 01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:19.440 We're here for a reason. 01:07:19.540 --> 01:07:21.120 It's not to go for a walk, right? 01:07:21.120 --> 01:07:21.900 Let's be present. 01:07:21.900 --> 01:07:26.580 Let's, let's look and, and have that just be present. 01:07:26.700 --> 01:07:27.140 What style 01:07:27.140 --> 01:07:29.950 Travis Bader: of hunting do you typically, uh, find yourself defaulting to? 01:07:29.950 --> 01:07:33.039 I know some people love to still hunt and some people just love to lay up. 01:07:33.040 --> 01:07:35.150 And, uh, what do you find? 01:07:35.150 --> 01:07:36.900 Some people just drive the logging roads, right? 01:07:36.900 --> 01:07:41.210 And not, not looking down on or up to any of these, but everyone's got their style. 01:07:41.210 --> 01:07:43.410 What, what do you find is most effective for you? 01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:46.760 And then what do you find is, uh, most meaningful 01:07:46.849 --> 01:07:47.140 Matt Jenkins: for you? 01:07:47.450 --> 01:07:52.095 Um, The harder you work, the more, the more you feel like you've earned 01:07:52.155 --> 01:07:55.205 what you have come home with or not, even if it's just a memory, you're 01:07:55.205 --> 01:07:56.375 still coming home for something. 01:07:57.105 --> 01:07:58.905 Uh, there's a time and a place for everything. 01:07:58.965 --> 01:08:02.534 Um, my in laws have a cabin up in, uh, 330. 01:08:02.545 --> 01:08:05.524 So that'd be the Clinton Loon, uh, Loon Lake Kashkuk area. 01:08:06.415 --> 01:08:10.945 And a lot of times hunting there is driving because the terrain is. 01:08:12.390 --> 01:08:16.380 In my opinion, obviously this isn't fact more productive just 01:08:16.380 --> 01:08:17.580 to see a lot of ground, right? 01:08:17.580 --> 01:08:17.670 Sure. 01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:20.970 Um, it, you had some fires, you've had a lot of hunting pressure. 01:08:21.360 --> 01:08:24.510 Um, so for, for, to me, walk through the woods, walking through the woods 01:08:24.510 --> 01:08:28.290 and rolling terrain, that's when I get bored and my brain wanders. 01:08:28.820 --> 01:08:31.490 Um, as opposed to, again, driving and covering ground. 01:08:31.670 --> 01:08:31.940 Mm-hmm. 01:08:32.210 --> 01:08:33.620 It can't be more productive. 01:08:34.210 --> 01:08:35.720 But I also get terribly bored of that. 01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:38.430 Two or three days in, I'm like, I don't want to sit in the driver's seat anymore. 01:08:39.170 --> 01:08:44.060 Um, I love mountain hunting, uh, which is really funny because my first couple 01:08:44.060 --> 01:08:47.499 of years of hunting, when I was still, uh, let's say building some grit, the 01:08:47.499 --> 01:08:49.330 last thing I wanted to do was go uphill. 01:08:50.230 --> 01:08:52.749 I'm like, you're not dragging me up that hill, the more 01:08:52.750 --> 01:08:54.359 colorful expletives in there. 01:08:54.400 --> 01:08:58.290 But there's a story that still hangs over my head that I will never, will never 01:08:58.290 --> 01:09:01.420 be forgotten among certain circles about the first time on my first elk hunt. 01:09:01.480 --> 01:09:01.720 Okay. 01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:02.189 Let's hear it. 01:09:02.190 --> 01:09:03.989 All right. 01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:07.060 Dragging me up a hill was a difficult task. 01:09:09.020 --> 01:09:09.730 Travis Bader: Kicking and screaming 01:09:09.730 --> 01:09:10.310 Matt Jenkins: the entire way. 01:09:10.480 --> 01:09:11.190 Yeah, not quite. 01:09:11.200 --> 01:09:11.750 Not quite. 01:09:11.750 --> 01:09:13.150 I was, I was 19 years old. 01:09:13.150 --> 01:09:17.400 So I, yeah, no, I, you, no, not quite kicking and screaming, 01:09:17.400 --> 01:09:18.569 but I wasn't happy about it. 01:09:18.610 --> 01:09:20.020 I didn't know what I was getting into. 01:09:20.650 --> 01:09:23.059 Um, and you know, now. 01:09:23.575 --> 01:09:26.555 It's not to say that if you're not physically exerting 01:09:26.555 --> 01:09:27.595 yourself, it's not worth doing. 01:09:27.625 --> 01:09:29.445 That's not the point I'm making at all. 01:09:29.465 --> 01:09:31.935 Because there's a lot of people who physically can't hunt that way. 01:09:32.525 --> 01:09:35.845 And for me to discredit their experiences would be incredibly selfish and just 01:09:38.695 --> 01:09:46.095 But, uh, you know, back in November, um, had, you know, a weekend away. 01:09:46.095 --> 01:09:47.095 I was down here for that course. 01:09:47.095 --> 01:09:50.774 We left and we went up, uh, drove up in the interior for four or five hours. 01:09:50.774 --> 01:09:53.185 We hunted all day on Saturday and Sunday morning and drove home. 01:09:53.715 --> 01:09:56.589 And all we did was just find the nastiest animal. 01:09:56.830 --> 01:09:59.150 You know, nastiest places to hike into. 01:09:59.150 --> 01:10:01.260 And it's what we did and I loved every second of it. 01:10:01.260 --> 01:10:01.540 Right. 01:10:02.280 --> 01:10:06.219 Um, from a productivity standpoint, going to places that other people aren't 01:10:06.219 --> 01:10:11.280 willing to go means you're probably going to see more critters too, but the 01:10:11.280 --> 01:10:15.170 places you end up when you're suffering and dying and you're going to pill, 01:10:15.170 --> 01:10:18.205 and then you look around and you're like, Oh, Yeah, this view is worth it. 01:10:18.925 --> 01:10:21.135 And the story of course is, is something special. 01:10:21.915 --> 01:10:25.885 Travis Bader: No, I remember years ago, I was probably griping about something, 01:10:26.515 --> 01:10:31.794 a friend of mine, who's offered a lot of business advice over the years, he's 01:10:31.794 --> 01:10:33.644 run a lot of very successful businesses. 01:10:34.044 --> 01:10:35.164 He just looks at me and laughs. 01:10:35.165 --> 01:10:39.249 He says, Travis, one thing I've learned in my life is. 01:10:39.400 --> 01:10:45.830 Is that nothing that I've received that I can deem as worthwhile has ever come easy. 01:10:46.570 --> 01:10:48.570 And I think that just kind of sums it up for me. 01:10:48.570 --> 01:10:51.110 It doesn't necessarily mean physically exerting. 01:10:51.775 --> 01:10:55.775 But without effort, you don't have that same reward. 01:10:56.765 --> 01:10:57.835 Matt Jenkins: No, you don't feel like you've earned it. 01:10:58.145 --> 01:10:58.425 Yeah. 01:10:58.545 --> 01:10:59.375 I don't anyways. 01:10:59.395 --> 01:10:59.895 I agree. 01:11:00.105 --> 01:11:04.144 That's not to be said that I'm always, I'm not going to pass up an easy opportunity 01:11:04.145 --> 01:11:07.074 if it presents itself sometimes from driving on the road and there's a 01:11:07.075 --> 01:11:11.465 legal elk there, then I'm not going to have to sweat and cry about to get to, 01:11:11.465 --> 01:11:13.945 um, don't tempt me with a good time. 01:11:14.415 --> 01:11:19.015 But at the same time, uh, you know, I'm I, I've said to that experience would 01:11:19.025 --> 01:11:20.885 be a little bit lacking too, right? 01:11:21.985 --> 01:11:26.225 Gonna take it if it comes up, but, uh, you know, when I look at the effort I put in, 01:11:26.775 --> 01:11:29.724 in other areas and come out unsuccessful, I guess it would be kind of ironic of all 01:11:29.725 --> 01:11:32.735 of a sudden I see something that I can't pass up standing in the middle of the 01:11:32.744 --> 01:11:36.615 road, but, uh, it's never what I count on and it's never what I'm looking for. 01:11:36.695 --> 01:11:37.175 Right. 01:11:38.385 --> 01:11:39.145 Where'd you get that hat? 01:11:39.645 --> 01:11:44.375 So, uh, my, uh, trainer, she ran a gym in the West Kootenays. 01:11:44.465 --> 01:11:49.745 Um, her, uh, partner is now starting to make some hunting content. 01:11:49.805 --> 01:11:54.375 Uh, I'm a sucker for supporting local and, um, He said, Hey, you want a hat? 01:11:54.385 --> 01:11:56.465 I'm like, sure, I'll wear it. 01:11:56.545 --> 01:11:57.265 So here we are. 01:11:57.265 --> 01:12:01.325 So he's, uh, no official affiliation, uh, wearing it, isn't a plug. 01:12:01.325 --> 01:12:04.274 It's just because it was the hat that was in the car and, uh, he's got 01:12:04.274 --> 01:12:08.075 horses and he, you know, basically wants to document some hunts and do 01:12:08.075 --> 01:12:12.995 it from the lens of between the ears of a horse and also being BC resident 01:12:12.995 --> 01:12:18.195 hunter doing a DIY, because I don't know about you, but I don't personally 01:12:18.195 --> 01:12:22.360 know many, uh, Resident hunters who are completely self sufficient with horses 01:12:22.360 --> 01:12:24.000 without, again, using somebody else. 01:12:24.590 --> 01:12:26.590 I'm really looking forward to seeing what he comes up with. 01:12:27.180 --> 01:12:31.620 Um, and again, back to kind of the mentorship piece, I was able 01:12:31.620 --> 01:12:35.470 to take, um, um, me and, and her partner, Brad to the range. 01:12:35.480 --> 01:12:37.980 And, you know, Brad says, I've been hunting forever, but I've never 01:12:37.980 --> 01:12:39.060 been really much of a shooter. 01:12:40.069 --> 01:12:41.950 Um, man, I just did her core last year. 01:12:41.950 --> 01:12:42.880 She's just got her pal. 01:12:42.890 --> 01:12:44.150 She got a Tikka for Christmas. 01:12:44.150 --> 01:12:46.120 And I said, cool, let's go to the range, right? 01:12:46.180 --> 01:12:48.150 Let's kind of get you set up for success. 01:12:48.150 --> 01:12:52.925 And when you shoot long enough, you just, You learn a thing or two along the way. 01:12:53.105 --> 01:12:55.785 So to be able to go to the range with them, I had a ton of fun and we spent 01:12:55.785 --> 01:13:02.295 a couple hours and went from, you know, here's how you set your rifle in sandbags 01:13:02.295 --> 01:13:06.945 and here's how you position yourself behind the gun to watching men hit steel 01:13:06.985 --> 01:13:10.334 consistently at 300 yards away, which some people are like, well, that's chip shot. 01:13:10.354 --> 01:13:12.515 But remember where you started from. 01:13:13.165 --> 01:13:15.595 Even a hundred yards is a long way at times. 01:13:15.595 --> 01:13:15.875 Right. 01:13:15.885 --> 01:13:17.415 So pretty cool. 01:13:17.445 --> 01:13:17.735 Right. 01:13:17.745 --> 01:13:19.375 So that's Forged in the Wild. 01:13:19.415 --> 01:13:20.295 Yeah, Forged in the Wild. 01:13:20.305 --> 01:13:24.215 That's Brad's, uh, um, Brad's, I guess you could say side hustle, passion 01:13:24.215 --> 01:13:25.385 project, however you want to put it. 01:13:25.775 --> 01:13:25.914 Cause 01:13:25.914 --> 01:13:28.124 Travis Bader: I've seen that popping around a little bit and I just, uh, 01:13:28.435 --> 01:13:29.624 figured I'd get a little backstory. 01:13:29.625 --> 01:13:30.885 I figured you were wearing it for a reason. 01:13:30.894 --> 01:13:31.184 No, 01:13:31.295 --> 01:13:33.995 Matt Jenkins: genuinely, no, it was either that or the faded RCMP hat 01:13:33.995 --> 01:13:37.635 that's sitting on my dashboard and we'll leave that one in the car. 01:13:37.635 --> 01:13:38.655 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:13:38.655 --> 01:13:38.669 Yeah. 01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:41.780 It's like that joke, I had a guy in the class years ago, I remember I was 01:13:41.790 --> 01:13:46.260 teaching and I like to start every course off with introductions, right? 01:13:46.780 --> 01:13:48.840 I want to see a person's background. 01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:49.789 I want to get to know them. 01:13:49.790 --> 01:13:50.679 What's their name? 01:13:50.689 --> 01:13:52.430 Why are you taking this course? 01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:55.180 What kind of experience do you have in this field, right? 01:13:55.670 --> 01:13:56.800 And I do that for two reasons. 01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:58.150 Number one, it gives me an idea. 01:13:58.150 --> 01:14:00.840 If I've got a class full of experts in there, I'm not going to be teaching 01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:02.820 a course down here and vice versa. 01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:07.449 If everyone's brand new, then it allows me to gauge it, but it also provides an 01:14:07.450 --> 01:14:11.570 opportunity for everybody in the class to have the spotlight put on them instead 01:14:11.570 --> 01:14:14.610 of being in there with their arms crossed and sitting back in their chair and 01:14:14.620 --> 01:14:18.150 looking up and all right, instructor, how are you going to impress me? 01:14:18.305 --> 01:14:18.755 Okay. 01:14:19.175 --> 01:14:23.225 It, it draws them in and it creates more of a, um, an interactive 01:14:23.225 --> 01:14:24.575 environment right off the bat. 01:14:25.205 --> 01:14:28.825 Anyways, I asked this guy and first thing he says, well, you know, 01:14:28.825 --> 01:14:31.704 my name is so and so, and I'm a firefighter and then something else. 01:14:34.155 --> 01:14:36.735 And I say, well, you know how you can tell a firefighter, right? 01:14:36.935 --> 01:14:37.415 And. 01:14:37.815 --> 01:14:39.515 All of a sudden his face just changes. 01:14:39.525 --> 01:14:39.675 Just 01:14:39.675 --> 01:14:40.865 Matt Jenkins: like a vegan and a crossfitter. 01:14:42.665 --> 01:14:45.375 Travis Bader: And his face changes and the class is like, how? 01:14:45.395 --> 01:14:46.445 I'm like, oh, don't worry about it. 01:14:46.885 --> 01:14:47.465 Matt Jenkins: Yeah, you missed the 01:14:47.465 --> 01:14:47.735 Travis Bader: joke. 01:14:48.855 --> 01:14:51.284 But the punchline on the joke, how can you fire, how can you 01:14:51.285 --> 01:14:52.394 tell a person is a firefighter? 01:14:52.394 --> 01:14:52.825 Don't worry. 01:14:52.825 --> 01:14:53.355 They'll tell you. 01:14:53.565 --> 01:14:53.755 Yeah. 01:14:53.774 --> 01:14:55.194 We're in the RCMP cap in here. 01:14:55.194 --> 01:14:56.274 How can you tell your RCMP? 01:14:56.385 --> 01:14:56.845 Oh, don't worry. 01:14:57.355 --> 01:14:58.345 You got the kit, he'll tell you. 01:14:59.035 --> 01:15:01.805 But, um, yeah, probably a good call. 01:15:02.125 --> 01:15:02.795 Cool looking cap. 01:15:02.815 --> 01:15:02.985 Matt Jenkins: Yeah. 01:15:02.985 --> 01:15:03.355 Thank you. 01:15:03.355 --> 01:15:06.085 I, again, I'm, if, uh, if it wasn't cool, I wouldn't wear it. 01:15:06.085 --> 01:15:10.705 So it's, uh, it was an unintentional plug and I, I I'm, I'm looking forward 01:15:10.705 --> 01:15:11.995 to suiting what he comes up with. 01:15:12.345 --> 01:15:14.734 Travis Bader: Is there anything else that we should be talking 01:15:14.734 --> 01:15:15.024 Matt Jenkins: about? 01:15:15.385 --> 01:15:18.594 No, talk about core instruction a little bit, that journey for me. 01:15:19.025 --> 01:15:19.515 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:15:19.625 --> 01:15:20.025 Okay. 01:15:20.075 --> 01:15:20.705 Let's hear that one. 01:15:20.825 --> 01:15:24.635 Cause I remember when he became a core instructor, because I saw you 01:15:24.645 --> 01:15:30.055 all over, I never met Jeff, but you had your name as your, uh, as your 01:15:30.084 --> 01:15:31.975 handle on the different forums. 01:15:32.285 --> 01:15:32.615 Yeah. 01:15:33.355 --> 01:15:38.355 And, um, you're still up there, not very incognito in your name change, by the way. 01:15:38.355 --> 01:15:40.554 That's what it is. 01:15:40.555 --> 01:15:42.260 Um, Is what it is. 01:15:42.270 --> 01:15:46.290 But I remember, man, I was like, who is this guy and look at the 01:15:46.290 --> 01:15:47.580 amount of passion that he has. 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:49.390 I mean, so passionate. 01:15:49.410 --> 01:15:52.999 And, uh, I remember that was the one thing that struck me when I saw it over and 01:15:52.999 --> 01:15:57.579 over again, going through there really has a lot of heart in this, what he does. 01:15:57.589 --> 01:15:59.090 So tell me about your, your journey through. 01:15:59.510 --> 01:15:59.810 As a 01:15:59.810 --> 01:16:02.370 Matt Jenkins: core instructor, it was fairly organic. 01:16:02.430 --> 01:16:03.730 I didn't even seek it out. 01:16:03.740 --> 01:16:04.550 To be honest with you. 01:16:04.590 --> 01:16:09.509 I, uh, uh, did my courses from a fella named Ken Archibald out of Colorado. 01:16:09.859 --> 01:16:14.360 I lived in Langley and took his courses solely as a matter of proximity. 01:16:14.579 --> 01:16:14.789 Right. 01:16:15.090 --> 01:16:15.650 Um, so. 01:16:16.175 --> 01:16:19.675 And, uh, kind of fast forward a little bit after that, I worked at 01:16:19.675 --> 01:16:23.345 Wholesale Sports, um, ended up, you know, migrating behind the hunting 01:16:23.345 --> 01:16:24.734 counter, running the hunting section. 01:16:25.295 --> 01:16:27.525 And I remember Ken had become a customer, he'd be buying, 01:16:27.585 --> 01:16:28.704 come and buying stuff for him. 01:16:28.705 --> 01:16:33.184 He'd bring students in and, and, you know, sort of, uh, you know, walk them 01:16:33.194 --> 01:16:36.065 through purchasing a gun, which is awesome because how intimidating it 01:16:36.065 --> 01:16:40.185 can be to be on the other side of that counter and really not knowing much and. 01:16:40.765 --> 01:16:44.715 And, you know, wanting to get the best product to, to get you set up. 01:16:45.715 --> 01:16:48.495 And, you know, at some point he says, you know, like I've, I've really come 01:16:48.495 --> 01:16:50.414 to respect your opinion and bring here. 01:16:50.414 --> 01:16:55.225 And I come in to see you and I tell people coming to, to see you, um, the 01:16:55.225 --> 01:16:58.255 way you provide knowledge to people across a gun counter, I think you 01:16:58.255 --> 01:16:59.354 could do the same in the classroom. 01:16:59.354 --> 01:17:01.045 Would you ever thought about being a core examiner? 01:17:01.605 --> 01:17:08.785 Well, no, fast forward again, there it was in, uh, April of, 2013, uh, 22 01:17:08.785 --> 01:17:12.105 years old, had no business getting my core instructor number, but there I 01:17:12.105 --> 01:17:17.375 was and, um, started working with Kent, started teaching the course for him. 01:17:17.565 --> 01:17:20.324 And what first started with essentially following his curriculum, right? 01:17:20.324 --> 01:17:22.395 Fantastic teacher, tons of passion. 01:17:22.925 --> 01:17:23.494 Um, and then. 01:17:23.655 --> 01:17:27.555 Agreed to disagree on certain things, but his heart was always in the right place 01:17:27.945 --> 01:17:31.554 and the jokes, the laughs, the organic connection we had with the students. 01:17:31.554 --> 01:17:33.214 I always really appreciated that. 01:17:34.665 --> 01:17:37.484 And as I was teaching and becoming more confident, more comfortable 01:17:37.485 --> 01:17:41.334 interjecting my own stories and jokes and things, I really took it to heart 01:17:41.334 --> 01:17:48.210 of if you're paying to be here, How can I give you the best product? 01:17:48.260 --> 01:17:48.470 Right. 01:17:48.500 --> 01:17:52.240 I hated thinking of teaching as a product, but essentially it is, it is a service. 01:17:52.270 --> 01:17:52.990 It is a service. 01:17:52.990 --> 01:17:53.240 Right. 01:17:53.260 --> 01:17:53.370 Right. 01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:56.799 So that's when looking at the forums, like, you know, if you were sending your. 01:17:57.145 --> 01:18:01.385 Your 10 year old son, daughter, and you're again, you're, you're putting your faith 01:18:01.385 --> 01:18:03.735 in that person to set them up for success. 01:18:05.475 --> 01:18:08.064 How do, how do, how do I ensure you're getting your money's worth? 01:18:08.064 --> 01:18:08.314 Right. 01:18:08.345 --> 01:18:10.715 And getting a lot of that input and taking notes and really 01:18:10.715 --> 01:18:11.855 taking it to heart was great. 01:18:11.955 --> 01:18:16.034 Um, I still pass out at the end of the week, you know, your stereotypical, 01:18:16.044 --> 01:18:17.285 you know, one to five rating. 01:18:17.295 --> 01:18:17.985 How was the course? 01:18:17.995 --> 01:18:19.615 This, that, and the other, what can we do better? 01:18:19.615 --> 01:18:20.415 What did you like? 01:18:21.415 --> 01:18:23.915 Don't teach a lot anymore, but I still, I read every one. 01:18:23.915 --> 01:18:23.965 Yeah. 01:18:24.375 --> 01:18:24.455 Would 01:18:24.455 --> 01:18:26.535 Travis Bader: you pass it out before the test or after 01:18:26.535 --> 01:18:26.995 Matt Jenkins: the test? 01:18:27.025 --> 01:18:30.785 Uh, I passed it out with the exam and I said, don't put your name on this. 01:18:30.785 --> 01:18:32.955 There isn't a spot for your name on this form. 01:18:33.124 --> 01:18:35.864 Don't leave it in your test package. 01:18:35.864 --> 01:18:39.335 When it comes back to me, I want you to feel confident that this is as 01:18:39.354 --> 01:18:40.675 anonymous as you want to make it. 01:18:41.015 --> 01:18:42.835 And I'm not going to review these until I get home. 01:18:43.385 --> 01:18:47.525 And I've kept every single one, um, mostly good, obviously 01:18:47.525 --> 01:18:49.315 some bad, but such as life. 01:18:49.375 --> 01:18:49.545 Did 01:18:49.545 --> 01:18:50.995 Travis Bader: you find value in those? 01:18:51.075 --> 01:18:54.244 Because quite often I would find people, Oh, it was great. 01:18:54.275 --> 01:18:55.235 Oh, it was awesome. 01:18:55.704 --> 01:18:57.524 But they don't have anything to really compare it 01:18:57.544 --> 01:18:57.894 Matt Jenkins: to. 01:18:57.954 --> 01:19:01.474 If they didn't put handwritten comments and they just did the, you know, the 01:19:01.475 --> 01:19:05.034 one to five, they meant nothing to me because it was usually, you know, 01:19:05.295 --> 01:19:07.585 Threes or fives or whatever, right? 01:19:07.585 --> 01:19:10.165 It's all very perception based. 01:19:10.835 --> 01:19:16.255 But if I read a comment and it said, uh, you know, whatever, right. 01:19:16.375 --> 01:19:17.405 I would take it to heart, right? 01:19:17.405 --> 01:19:22.664 If I'm noticing a theme, um, if I was, you know, sure, I have my cheat sheet 01:19:22.664 --> 01:19:25.275 and I'm ticking boxes as I'm teaching to make sure I hit the relevant points, 01:19:25.275 --> 01:19:27.975 but sometimes something gets missed and you're going, oh, this came up on 01:19:27.975 --> 01:19:30.865 the test and I really don't think you covered it that well, mental note. 01:19:31.080 --> 01:19:32.500 Cover X or Y or Z better. 01:19:32.500 --> 01:19:33.710 Cause you're noticing that trend. 01:19:33.710 --> 01:19:39.540 So I'd say kind of 50, 50, but enough of a benefit that I continued to do them. 01:19:41.020 --> 01:19:44.660 And then, yeah, so that was my journey of teaching core, um, 01:19:45.030 --> 01:19:46.270 that a huge passion for it. 01:19:46.389 --> 01:19:50.840 Um, the thing I found though, is, is working with Kent, he 01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:54.710 had a, had a classroom, all kinds of mounts on the wall. 01:19:54.750 --> 01:19:57.440 You know, you could point around the room, this is, this your birds, here's 01:19:57.440 --> 01:19:59.570 your, any critter you could want in BC. 01:19:59.570 --> 01:20:00.100 It was there. 01:20:00.140 --> 01:20:00.160 Yeah. 01:20:00.835 --> 01:20:04.495 Moving away, trying to do my own thing, not enough business where 01:20:04.495 --> 01:20:07.895 I am to, you know, lease any, anywhere and do it full time. 01:20:07.895 --> 01:20:11.615 And honestly with, with the job, probably not something that I really could have 01:20:11.615 --> 01:20:13.355 done with the same degree of passion. 01:20:13.474 --> 01:20:13.794 Right. 01:20:14.085 --> 01:20:19.374 So to go to, um, you know, rent the conference room, having a contracting 01:20:19.374 --> 01:20:22.555 out to educational facilities and basically doing it out of a couple 01:20:22.555 --> 01:20:26.575 of rubbermaid totes, bringing in some, uh, antlers and some dead heads 01:20:26.575 --> 01:20:28.415 that have been acquired and donated. 01:20:28.925 --> 01:20:30.475 It wasn't the level, it wasn't. 01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:32.600 The quality of product that I was used to. 01:20:32.790 --> 01:20:36.900 So really quickly, my passion to do it, it just dropped off, right? 01:20:36.910 --> 01:20:39.360 So I, I love doing it. 01:20:39.449 --> 01:20:43.979 Um, I, I love providing it to friends, to family, you know, if 01:20:43.989 --> 01:20:45.320 you want to challenge the exam. 01:20:45.390 --> 01:20:49.180 Um, you know, we'll do it, uh, if I have a group together and I have the right venue, 01:20:49.210 --> 01:20:52.840 I've done it at a couple of gun clubs, which, you know, if we've ever been in a 01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:57.079 gun club, a clubhouse, they're rustic, but it kind of lends back to, again, you've 01:20:57.080 --> 01:21:01.050 got the, you know, the scuzzy old, uh, faded mountain goat on the wall and stuff. 01:21:01.050 --> 01:21:02.640 So at least there's stuff to point out, right? 01:21:02.990 --> 01:21:04.409 I enjoy classes like that. 01:21:04.610 --> 01:21:07.260 Uh, but just, you know, to go to the best Western and say, I need your, 01:21:07.270 --> 01:21:09.410 your, your 25 seat banquet room. 01:21:09.740 --> 01:21:10.770 Nah, no interest really. 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:16.260 And yeah, I was lucky, uh, Kent and I for years. 01:21:16.595 --> 01:21:18.205 For years, we, we got to go for hunt. 01:21:18.205 --> 01:21:18.875 We got to go for hunt. 01:21:18.875 --> 01:21:20.915 But of course, with us teaching, the fall was the busy time. 01:21:21.005 --> 01:21:21.285 Yeah. 01:21:21.395 --> 01:21:22.185 Did you ever hunt with him? 01:21:22.305 --> 01:21:22.745 Once. 01:21:23.015 --> 01:21:23.215 Yeah. 01:21:23.365 --> 01:21:25.775 After years of when he was away, I'd be teaching when I 01:21:25.775 --> 01:21:26.805 was away, he'd be teaching. 01:21:26.805 --> 01:21:31.025 So finally the stars aligned back, uh, right before I went to depo. 01:21:31.035 --> 01:21:36.675 So really when our paths in life were diverging, ultimately permanently, I was 01:21:36.675 --> 01:21:38.425 able to get away for a weekend with him. 01:21:38.445 --> 01:21:42.135 We, we got a four point and at all the hunts I've been on and the amazing 01:21:42.135 --> 01:21:49.145 memories I've made that full circle piece was, A memory I'll cherish forever. 01:21:49.185 --> 01:21:49.415 Right. 01:21:49.425 --> 01:21:49.945 That's pretty cool. 01:21:50.585 --> 01:21:55.325 Travis Bader: I remember one year, uh, Kent put out an advertisement and it 01:21:55.365 --> 01:21:57.045 was like full page advertising either. 01:21:57.335 --> 01:21:57.964 I know the one. 01:21:58.105 --> 01:21:58.885 I know where this is going. 01:21:58.895 --> 01:21:59.774 You know where this is going? 01:22:00.194 --> 01:22:05.574 I think it said like voted number one in, in BC and I remember calling him up. 01:22:05.575 --> 01:22:08.535 I've talked with him like, Where the hell were you voted number one? 01:22:08.565 --> 01:22:09.975 Like, what, what was this whole thing about? 01:22:09.975 --> 01:22:10.875 He's like, well, I don't know. 01:22:10.875 --> 01:22:13.235 My mom said I was pretty good or something along those lines, 01:22:13.635 --> 01:22:13.665 Matt Jenkins: right? 01:22:13.665 --> 01:22:15.364 It was probably me and Kent BSing after a class. 01:22:15.364 --> 01:22:16.995 Well, we think we're pretty good at this. 01:22:17.565 --> 01:22:18.595 Let's say we're number one. 01:22:18.605 --> 01:22:19.585 Who's going to say no? 01:22:19.594 --> 01:22:20.924 Well, hi Travis. 01:22:22.815 --> 01:22:23.605 Travis Bader: That was so funny. 01:22:23.605 --> 01:22:25.704 I'm like, what is this voting thing? 01:22:25.715 --> 01:22:27.484 Like, I don't, I don't get this, right? 01:22:27.874 --> 01:22:29.594 That was, I thought that was funny. 01:22:29.654 --> 01:22:32.644 Um, um, um, yeah. 01:22:32.694 --> 01:22:33.494 Interesting. 01:22:33.715 --> 01:22:35.755 Interesting to community and the industry. 01:22:35.765 --> 01:22:40.375 It's, um, it's different than I see in the States. 01:22:41.085 --> 01:22:45.595 In the States, you go to Marty Hayes's school, firearms Academy in Seattle. 01:22:45.645 --> 01:22:47.965 And he says, here's what I do. 01:22:47.974 --> 01:22:48.974 Here's why I do it. 01:22:49.005 --> 01:22:50.095 Here's why I think it's great. 01:22:50.125 --> 01:22:50.814 But you know what? 01:22:50.974 --> 01:22:52.124 There's other people in town. 01:22:52.124 --> 01:22:54.915 Why don't you go down the road and talk to, go to a 01:22:54.915 --> 01:22:56.545 Thunder Ranch and go over here. 01:22:56.545 --> 01:22:57.335 And you know what? 01:22:57.335 --> 01:23:00.625 If you find something that works better, come back to me and then let me know. 01:23:00.625 --> 01:23:01.865 And we'll see if we can integrate it. 01:23:02.250 --> 01:23:06.750 There's this sort of brotherhood or camaraderie that, that we seem to see 01:23:06.750 --> 01:23:11.010 that's, uh, uh, really prevalent here. 01:23:11.020 --> 01:23:15.910 What I've seen in Canada is there's a, sort of this prestige 01:23:15.910 --> 01:23:16.890 that people think they have. 01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:19.450 Like I, I took a two day course. 01:23:19.450 --> 01:23:20.979 I got a firearms license, right? 01:23:20.980 --> 01:23:26.300 I got my hunting license and look out if you're an instructor. 01:23:26.380 --> 01:23:27.960 Now you're really special, right? 01:23:27.990 --> 01:23:28.170 Yeah. 01:23:28.940 --> 01:23:34.050 And oftentimes, not always, but a lot of times there's sort of a dog eat 01:23:34.060 --> 01:23:38.830 dog, maybe it's a lower barrier to entry industry, but the competition, 01:23:39.140 --> 01:23:41.330 I think gets ahead of some people. 01:23:41.360 --> 01:23:45.600 And in order to be competitive, they want to tear down those around it. 01:23:45.620 --> 01:23:47.690 Cause there's two ways you can have the tallest building, right? 01:23:47.969 --> 01:23:49.009 Build the tallest building. 01:23:49.139 --> 01:23:50.034 Knock everybody down. 01:23:50.275 --> 01:23:53.885 Or knock all the other ones down and that knock them down attitude that 01:23:53.885 --> 01:23:58.875 I've seen time and time again, I don't see the same in other industries. 01:23:58.875 --> 01:24:00.315 And maybe that's just business. 01:24:00.315 --> 01:24:01.764 Maybe that's how everyone operates. 01:24:01.765 --> 01:24:07.595 But, um, I I've, I've looked at it and I look at it as an industry that, uh, 01:24:07.725 --> 01:24:10.384 hunting everyone's like, oh, they're trying to take our hunting rights away. 01:24:10.395 --> 01:24:10.935 Firearms. 01:24:11.055 --> 01:24:12.105 Oh, they're trying to take our guns. 01:24:12.585 --> 01:24:14.715 And they're feeling attacked on all these different angles. 01:24:16.165 --> 01:24:21.195 And I don't know if it's sort of, this is how we even the playing field is this, the 01:24:21.195 --> 01:24:25.665 mountain hunters will look down on the, on the truck hunters, the, uh, black rifle 01:24:25.665 --> 01:24:29.725 shooters will look down on the, um, the muzzle loaders or whatever it might be, 01:24:29.725 --> 01:24:34.859 but that sort of, um, mentality I've seen. 01:24:36.300 --> 01:24:36.660 A lot. 01:24:36.670 --> 01:24:37.380 Nobody wins. 01:24:37.540 --> 01:24:38.400 No, they don't. 01:24:38.430 --> 01:24:39.330 And I've seen it a lot. 01:24:39.330 --> 01:24:42.070 And that was part of the reason why I started the Silvercore podcast, 01:24:42.100 --> 01:24:45.710 because I reached a point within, uh, my business where I just saw 01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:47.759 negativity over and over and over again. 01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:51.100 And I thought, should I look at getting into a different industry? 01:24:51.690 --> 01:24:55.590 Or is there a way that I can bring some positivity into a realm 01:24:55.590 --> 01:24:57.410 of what I know and what I love? 01:24:57.490 --> 01:25:04.970 And so that, that whole aspect of trying to bring positivity and growth to others, 01:25:05.059 --> 01:25:09.100 and I've just broadened it out into all of my different ADHD kind of interests. 01:25:09.190 --> 01:25:13.610 Um, I don't know, it is, is from an instructor, from your perspective, 01:25:13.610 --> 01:25:14.830 is that what you've seen as well? 01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:21.370 Matt Jenkins: I, I think, I remember when I was teaching a lot, um, my sense 01:25:21.370 --> 01:25:25.210 of competitiveness wasn't coming from the place of I want to be the, the 01:25:25.210 --> 01:25:33.820 guy, because that's silly, but I took a huge amount of pride in, um, just 01:25:33.830 --> 01:25:37.645 being, I guess, grounded in my approach to instructing, and I say it, Anybody 01:25:37.645 --> 01:25:40.645 who's been around me for a while, and I've imparted some knowledge on, 01:25:40.645 --> 01:25:43.835 I say, don't trust any one person's opinion, including my own, right? 01:25:44.705 --> 01:25:48.745 If I tell you something about maybe a piece of glass or a gun or a particular 01:25:48.745 --> 01:25:52.585 hunting thing, go and test it and validate it and pressure test that 01:25:52.585 --> 01:25:54.125 against other people's opinions, right? 01:25:54.125 --> 01:25:58.605 So if you notice a trend, am I fighting against the, you know, and same goes 01:25:58.615 --> 01:26:01.945 for again, any instructor, any, you know, Any person again, but there's 01:26:02.145 --> 01:26:03.425 some obvious exceptions to this. 01:26:03.425 --> 01:26:05.985 People who are true savants and artisans of their craft. 01:26:07.445 --> 01:26:13.365 Yeah, there are, you know, validate people's opinions and, um, Yeah. 01:26:13.435 --> 01:26:14.625 Pressure test what you're hearing. 01:26:14.655 --> 01:26:14.965 Right? 01:26:15.005 --> 01:26:18.725 And again, but this goes back to me again, me trying to be grounded in my approach. 01:26:18.835 --> 01:26:21.115 If somebody comes to my class and says, what gun should I buy? 01:26:21.115 --> 01:26:24.035 And I said, well, you got to get yourself a 264 windbag because 01:26:24.035 --> 01:26:25.425 that's my preferred rifle. 01:26:26.775 --> 01:26:29.214 Anybody knows anything about the 264 windbags like you. 01:26:29.630 --> 01:26:31.470 No, don't go buy one of those. 01:26:31.490 --> 01:26:35.590 I will never buy another one again, but I love the gun I have, but because I 01:26:35.590 --> 01:26:40.060 love it, it's just not the right tool for the job for most folks, right? 01:26:40.060 --> 01:26:45.799 So being able to separate your bias or your preferences to what needs to be done. 01:26:46.070 --> 01:26:50.940 The needs of the individual is something that I took very seriously and I guess it 01:26:50.940 --> 01:26:55.410 started from working, uh, in a business selling those things to say, well, this 01:26:55.420 --> 01:26:58.940 is what I shoot and here's kind of my preference and here's what I'm doing. 01:26:58.949 --> 01:27:02.170 But let's look at things that may fit the bill for you a bit better. 01:27:02.350 --> 01:27:02.480 Right. 01:27:03.160 --> 01:27:08.000 Um, so kind of that's, I, I sort of took ownership over giving that high 01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:12.880 quality product and not displaying a lot of bias or being grounded enough to 01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:18.229 look at other people's experiences or what they needed, which may not be what 01:27:18.230 --> 01:27:21.229 I needed and be able to say, okay, this is what I shoot, but this isn't for you. 01:27:21.229 --> 01:27:23.510 This is maybe what you should be doing or buying or trying. 01:27:24.180 --> 01:27:28.370 Um, but at the end of the day, no, like nobody wins by knocking anybody else down. 01:27:28.370 --> 01:27:28.550 Right. 01:27:28.550 --> 01:27:31.460 And just sit and have a conversation with you of what I've 01:27:31.460 --> 01:27:32.540 learned and what you've learned. 01:27:32.820 --> 01:27:35.290 Um, there's tremendous value in that for everybody. 01:27:36.190 --> 01:27:39.030 Travis Bader: You know, it brings to mind. 01:27:39.050 --> 01:27:42.500 I remember when I was kind of getting into mountaineering, just like, 01:27:42.500 --> 01:27:45.949 like hiking and I'd rock climb and I would be out in the mountains. 01:27:45.950 --> 01:27:51.099 I'd do stuff, but not from a serious sort of mountaineering standpoint. 01:27:51.099 --> 01:27:54.580 And a friend of mine just got out of the British army. 01:27:55.435 --> 01:28:00.445 He was, um, working with special forces to do the SAS selection a couple of times. 01:28:00.445 --> 01:28:05.255 And so I'm like, I better get myself kind of sorted out before going out 01:28:05.265 --> 01:28:07.665 and doing some hikes and getting into the mountains with them. 01:28:07.685 --> 01:28:11.794 He's now a full fledged ACMG guide and doing well with that. 01:28:12.445 --> 01:28:16.630 And, um, I started asking around what, What, what are the best boots? 01:28:16.630 --> 01:28:18.220 Like I need a good pair of boots, right? 01:28:18.230 --> 01:28:19.140 The ones that fit you. 01:28:19.280 --> 01:28:19.480 Right. 01:28:19.480 --> 01:28:21.430 And they say, Oh, get some Danners. 01:28:21.530 --> 01:28:22.950 Danners are the best, right? 01:28:23.050 --> 01:28:23.700 You know, okay. 01:28:23.700 --> 01:28:26.810 So I go buy some Danners and remember the first hike we went 01:28:26.810 --> 01:28:29.050 out and I learned two things. 01:28:29.050 --> 01:28:34.430 Number one, boot recommendations, like a lot of things are very, very personal 01:28:34.710 --> 01:28:39.670 and what might be best for that person definitely wasn't the best for me. 01:28:39.690 --> 01:28:42.770 And my, my feet took weeks. 01:28:42.830 --> 01:28:45.480 I was in flip flops for weeks afterwards because they were just. 01:28:45.650 --> 01:28:49.460 My, when I was pouring out the rain, it was all red and blood coming out. 01:28:49.460 --> 01:28:50.480 It was, it was so bad. 01:28:50.480 --> 01:28:53.380 But the other thing that I learned on that one, which I thought was kind of 01:28:53.380 --> 01:28:57.520 interesting, which ties in with this mental health thing as well, that, um, 01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:04.679 is kind of the theme of what we wanted to talk about was, okay, this guy, special 01:29:04.679 --> 01:29:10.425 force working with them, um, tough guy, who's, I can't complain on this hike. 01:29:10.455 --> 01:29:13.965 And I'm like, my feet are bleeding and I know this short way into it. 01:29:13.975 --> 01:29:17.585 And this was a long, long go and cold. 01:29:17.585 --> 01:29:23.084 And anyways, uh, there was me, him and one other fellow and this other fellow, 01:29:23.085 --> 01:29:26.594 I remember at one point he was like, oh, I'm kind of hungry or I'm kind of cold. 01:29:26.595 --> 01:29:30.765 And he's piping up and I'm like, whoo, I sure as hell wouldn't be saying anything. 01:29:30.765 --> 01:29:31.055 Right. 01:29:31.055 --> 01:29:32.195 I don't want to look like that. 01:29:32.215 --> 01:29:36.795 And this guy turns around and says, okay, stop, administrate yourself. 01:29:37.780 --> 01:29:39.310 And I thought, okay, that's kind of interesting. 01:29:39.310 --> 01:29:39.520 Right. 01:29:39.530 --> 01:29:41.520 He's like, just brew, brew up some tea. 01:29:41.540 --> 01:29:41.690 Right. 01:29:41.860 --> 01:29:43.380 Fix your socks, fix your boots. 01:29:43.380 --> 01:29:43.640 Right. 01:29:44.040 --> 01:29:46.519 Um, get, get a jacket on if you're cold. 01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:46.820 Right. 01:29:46.830 --> 01:29:50.010 And so I'm quickly, and I was a little chilly as well, and 01:29:50.010 --> 01:29:51.419 it was freezing weather out. 01:29:51.420 --> 01:29:54.690 So I'm putting my jacket on, but it's cause this other guy put his hand up. 01:29:54.690 --> 01:29:54.800 Right. 01:29:55.620 --> 01:30:01.000 And, and, uh, all of a sudden the dark place that my head was in as I'm hiking 01:30:01.010 --> 01:30:08.335 up and cold and hurt and, and in pain, um, I'm feeling It's not, it's not so dark. 01:30:08.335 --> 01:30:09.275 I can, I'm in pain. 01:30:09.285 --> 01:30:13.505 My feet hurt and everything else, but I'm not going into hypothermia anymore. 01:30:13.545 --> 01:30:18.884 And this whole approach of not trying to be the tough guy, stop, 01:30:19.294 --> 01:30:22.025 administrate yourself because we're in it for the long haul. 01:30:22.135 --> 01:30:22.465 Right. 01:30:22.515 --> 01:30:27.755 And that little piece of information, Which other people may have picked up 01:30:27.755 --> 01:30:31.075 in their youth and I didn't pick up until I was in my twenties or whenever 01:30:31.075 --> 01:30:36.715 that was, um, I've tied over into my physical health, into my mental health. 01:30:36.995 --> 01:30:37.405 Okay. 01:30:37.464 --> 01:30:38.505 I recognize something. 01:30:38.535 --> 01:30:39.455 I'm going to stop. 01:30:39.755 --> 01:30:40.945 I know where I want to go. 01:30:41.054 --> 01:30:43.004 Quick admin back on the road. 01:30:43.014 --> 01:30:43.614 Here I go. 01:30:45.525 --> 01:30:46.865 Two things I brought up out of that one. 01:30:46.965 --> 01:30:47.815 So I agree. 01:30:48.245 --> 01:30:51.705 Don't trust just cause one caliber works for you and you loved it. 01:30:52.395 --> 01:30:52.525 It's 01:30:52.525 --> 01:30:53.205 Matt Jenkins: not going to work for everyone. 01:30:53.265 --> 01:30:53.515 Yeah. 01:30:53.535 --> 01:30:56.344 I mean, and, and, and gun specifically, you're one of those funny ones where if, 01:30:56.384 --> 01:30:59.875 if you're asking me questions long enough about, you know, gun a versus or caliber 01:30:59.875 --> 01:31:02.695 a versus, you'll contradict yourself, you end up contradicting yourself and 01:31:02.695 --> 01:31:05.864 not accidentally and not because you're flip flopping just because if there 01:31:05.864 --> 01:31:09.024 was one that reigns supreme, then why would we have a new one every week? 01:31:09.230 --> 01:31:09.750 That's right. 01:31:09.960 --> 01:31:11.340 Ron Spomer would be out of work. 01:31:11.390 --> 01:31:12.170 Yeah, exactly. 01:31:12.320 --> 01:31:12.580 Yeah. 01:31:13.390 --> 01:31:13.940 Travis Bader: This is it. 01:31:13.980 --> 01:31:14.910 It's the one, one 01:31:14.950 --> 01:31:15.300 Matt Jenkins: cartridge. 01:31:15.300 --> 01:31:16.290 This is the one to rule them all. 01:31:16.290 --> 01:31:17.570 But that's what we hear every week. 01:31:17.570 --> 01:31:18.539 Travis Bader: Right. 01:31:19.019 --> 01:31:19.540 I love it. 01:31:19.870 --> 01:31:20.620 I saw you writing something 01:31:20.620 --> 01:31:21.090 Matt Jenkins: down there. 01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:24.509 Just to, just to close in comment, uh, just on the topic of mental health, 01:31:24.510 --> 01:31:27.129 but we'll leave that be till we're, if we're, when we're wrapping up. 01:31:27.220 --> 01:31:28.940 Travis Bader: Well, is there anything else we should be talking about? 01:31:29.470 --> 01:31:30.320 Matt Jenkins: I don't think so. 01:31:30.390 --> 01:31:34.545 Um, Yeah, like it, uh, I've, I've got tremendous friends. 01:31:34.555 --> 01:31:35.595 Hunting's been tremendous. 01:31:35.635 --> 01:31:37.495 My, my career's been fantastic. 01:31:37.495 --> 01:31:38.735 I wouldn't have it any other way. 01:31:38.735 --> 01:31:46.194 Uh, um, I'm feeling very fortunate that I've had the opportunity to put myself 01:31:46.194 --> 01:31:49.684 in a position with developing instructor profiles and all these courses to, to, 01:31:49.684 --> 01:31:55.280 to, uh, To really do the work to increase, you know, the odds of physical, mental, 01:31:55.280 --> 01:31:59.100 and emotional survivability of my peers and putting myself in a position where 01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:03.330 that is becoming a huge passion of mine to see people be successful, right? 01:32:03.340 --> 01:32:07.469 From, you know, the firearms instructor realm to having the post critical 01:32:07.470 --> 01:32:11.320 incident to getting them back to work, there is a lot of that full circle. 01:32:12.040 --> 01:32:16.340 Ideally, I would never have to, you know, use a lot of those skills, but being able 01:32:16.340 --> 01:32:19.800 to hopefully impart knowledge on people in different realms is, is amazing. 01:32:19.809 --> 01:32:25.210 And I'm thankful I've had the opportunity to, and yeah, that's just it. 01:32:25.240 --> 01:32:27.269 And again, on the topic of mental health, the resources 01:32:27.300 --> 01:32:29.100 out there, um, wellnesstogether. 01:32:29.110 --> 01:32:32.320 ca is one that comes to, comes to mind for everybody. 01:32:32.370 --> 01:32:35.210 Um, If you're in the RCMP and the Canadian forces, there's a lot of 01:32:35.210 --> 01:32:38.760 specific ones that I won't go into because we have a very diverse audience, 01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:43.230 but I'm really hoping that something I've said identifies with folks and. 01:32:43.965 --> 01:32:48.215 And whether it's mentorship or mental health or anything, it's just, yeah, 01:32:48.215 --> 01:32:49.585 I hope people find value in this. 01:32:49.595 --> 01:32:50.345 Cause that's the game. 01:32:51.075 --> 01:32:53.695 Travis Bader: I'm going to put links to all these things that you've 01:32:53.695 --> 01:32:58.015 talked about in here, in the podcast description, uh, I'll put a link 01:32:58.025 --> 01:32:59.914 to your, uh, your social media. 01:32:59.914 --> 01:33:01.074 If people want to reach out. 01:33:01.105 --> 01:33:01.654 And I'm pretty 01:33:01.654 --> 01:33:02.354 Matt Jenkins: boring on social 01:33:02.355 --> 01:33:06.873 Travis Bader: media, but Matt, I know this is our first 01:33:06.873 --> 01:33:08.249 aired, second recorded podcast. 01:33:09.080 --> 01:33:13.130 I'm looking forward to our third recorded when we do that after this one airs. 01:33:13.220 --> 01:33:13.610 Thanks. 01:33:13.670 --> 01:33:15.410 Thank you so much for being on this summer 01:33:15.410 --> 01:33:16.070 Matt Jenkins: football podcast. 01:33:16.070 --> 01:33:17.090 I, I'm humbled to be here. 01:33:17.270 --> 01:33:17.540 Thank you.