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You are listening to the USDN on the

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Thanks for watching!

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What is up, everybody?

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It's the chairman here of the United

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States Department of Nerds,

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where we are for the people,

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by the people, and of the people.

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And tonight,

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we're stepping into a universe shaped by

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legacy, rebellion,

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and the next wave of heroes who refuse

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to stay in anyone's shadow.

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Pulled directly from the pages of The

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Remnant,

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Last Gen isn't just a new superhero team,

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it's a declaration.

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These young heroes are done being treated

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like sidekicks.

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done being underestimated and ready to

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prove that they are the future.

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Joining us tonight is Matt Hasso with a

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J and Ray McKay.

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They're here to talk last gen zero,

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last gen number one,

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and what it means to tell a comment

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of age superhero story in a world that

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already thinks it knows how heroes should

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look.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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let's welcome Matt back to the show for

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like the third time in his illegitimate

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love child, Ray.

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I need the smoker's jacket, you know,

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like SNL, like a five-timer.

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I need a three-timer jacket.

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Dude, now I got ideas.

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I'm going to have to order myself one

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of those.

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Welcome to the show for the first time,

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man.

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Thanks for having me.

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It's great to be here.

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And that was my one.

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I swear I won't hit no more young

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jokes.

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I think I got most of them out

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before we went live.

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So now we can lock in and focus.

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We got an audience here of y'all's team.

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So Ray,

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I appreciate you sharing this around to

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all the buddies over at Grok Comets.

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And we got some Alpha Ray comic in

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here, some CYI Worldwide.

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So with that...

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For readers just discovering this corner

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of the remnant universe,

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what is Last Gen and what makes this

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team different from the heroes that came

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before them?

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I think I was distracted because where did

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you get that intro you just read?

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Because that was really good.

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Oh, dude,

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every every person who comes on the

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podcast, Matt, you should know this.

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Every single one gets their own unique

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intro based on their their their comic

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that they are presenting or whether

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they're artists or what have you.

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they all get their own unique intro.

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And what I do is I take all

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the data that I can gather about Grok

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Comet, about the comic book,

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and I take all that,

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I put it into a little chat GPT

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action,

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and I've trained my chat GPT

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years and we and then once it's done

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spitting it out i go back and i'll

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rewrite everything in the way i would like

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it to be and that's where it comes

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from okay yeah because i had that moment

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i was like i've done a lot of

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uh ghost writing for some of the the

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pr stuff for grok and i was like

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that was pretty good i don't think i

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wrote that i mean if you want me

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to write for grok all you gotta do

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is ask

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I send you my bill and we're good.

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It is not up to me.

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It's up to Ray.

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This is his title.

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I just, I just,

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I just hang out here.

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Oh no.

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I mean,

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last gen wouldn't be what it is without

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Matt.

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Like he's been so helpful for Matt sent

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me some covers and stuff for this book.

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months ago when I had him on last

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and I was like,

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I wish you wouldn't have shared this to

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me because I know this isn't ready yet.

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So all you've done is tease me for

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the next six months or three months,

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however long it's been.

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But I did hop in on the Kickstarter

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to make sure I did get my copy

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of this.

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Nice.

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But do you remember the question or do

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you want me to say it again?

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Go throw it out there.

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Yeah.

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Matt did what Matt does.

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So for readers,

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just discover in this corner of the

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remnant universe,

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what is last gen and what makes this

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team different from the heroes that came

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before them?

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Do you want to take this one?

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You are the writer of the book.

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This is your show.

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Matt's the supporting cast to throw

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Zingers out.

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You are Captain Lone Star.

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I am Barf.

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Go.

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I'll take it.

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I'll take it.

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So Last Gen,

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it's an upcoming comic from Grok Comics

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that's going to focus on the younger cast

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of the Grok universe,

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sort of the teen and college age heroes

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who have all appeared previously in books

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like The Remnant or the Atomic Thunderbolt

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one shot or Parables of the Remnant.

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But now they're being spun off into their

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own series that's dedicated to sort of the

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younger heroes.

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This team of heroes is led by the

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brash but heroic Atoman,

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and the roster includes soon-to-be iconic

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heroes like Gemstar, Trashpoka,

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Anarchy Prime, Jellybean, Calvary,

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the Atomic Thunderbolt, and Hangten.

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All of them have diverse and interesting

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personalities and power sets.

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And really,

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this book is going to be Grok's young

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adult teen hero book with all these young

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heroes striking out on their own as they

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navigate growing into responsibilities,

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friendships, and romance.

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They also have to balance their new duties

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to keep people safe from criminals and

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supervillains.

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And in the first issue,

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which is now on Kickstarter,

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it has two stories that I helped write,

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which include humor and interpersonal

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drama and some good old fashioned super

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powered action.

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Issue zero is going to collect a lot

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of the previous appearances of Last Gen,

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as well as an eight page original story

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I wrote that sort of brings the team

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together for the first time.

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And this is just going to be a

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comic that's for fans of superhero comics.

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Like, if you like Teen Titans,

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The New Mutants, The New Warriors,

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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,

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or Invincible, this is the one for you.

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And really what sets Last Gen apart from

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the other Grok comics is they're the

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younger cast and... Well,

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they're the younger cast.

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It's going to be written...

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by me with some stories by matt hopefully

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and some stories from bill and just we're

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really excited to get these characters out

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into the world because i think they're

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really interesting and i think they'll

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resonate with people i like you but who

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named their character jellybean uh that

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was not me

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So so bill bill ultimately has created

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probably ninety seven percent of the

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characters in in Grok comics and what I

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really liked about this is that so he

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has a flagship title called the remnants

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and some of the members of last gen

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have kind of been introduced through there

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and met and

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and have been there and they literally in

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the third or fourth issue go we don't

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want to be here anymore like you guys

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are doing your thing we want to do

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our thing we don't want to listen to

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you guys and they leave and create their

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own headquarters in a separate part of the

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city so i think it kind of opens

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it up to unlike like the new mutants

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they were just out of xavier's same house

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they just they

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We're on a different level.

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This is a completely different place.

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Very similar to what the Teen Titans did.

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They just kind of got tired of being

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the second fiddles and the sidekicks

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and...

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got their own place.

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Yeah.

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So it's funny.

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Yeah.

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And yeah.

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And it's, it's interesting.

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Cause it's some of them are, you know,

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like I said,

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mainstays that have been in the,

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the main title,

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some of them get introduced to this.

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And I'm just excited to see a lot

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of what Ray has done.

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He really did kind of bring these

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characters to life.

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Again, as much as I enjoy writing,

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I am in my fifties, me writing teenagers,

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not so much a thing that should do.

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So when we had Ray, it was like,

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it's a no brainer, the young character,

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give it to the young writer.

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So it's been a lot of fun.

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What you just said was you,

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you are now unk status and it's time

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to pass the ball.

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Yeah.

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I'm grunkle Matt.

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We need to get you one of those

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hats that he has.

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The little hat?

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That's perfect, dude.

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Perfect.

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We just do a rewatch of that, sorry.

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No, you tell me about that.

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That's what you rewatch.

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Yeah, yeah, the one.

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So my buddy Max was visiting for the

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weekend and he just basically got me to

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start watching Merlin with him and I'm

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hooked into that now.

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Nice, nice.

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Did you watch the magicians or the

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librarians?

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I think it's the librarians.

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That one was really good.

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Similar, very similar.

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But so why was this the right time

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to tell a story about younger heroes

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stepping out of the shadow of their legacy

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teams?

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Wow, that's a really good question.

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Honestly,

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I'd have to say- That's what I do

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here.

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may have done this one or twenty times

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i i think i think what happens is

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like any comic book creator when you come

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up with a title you have like well

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this is a cool title but it would

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be also good if we had these other

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fifteen and bill has done that a lot

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is there's a lot of options that are

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playing down the line some that are

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already happening so a lot of that was

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already in motion before ray and i even

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got kind of

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brought into the grok thing this was

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already happening like the third issue of

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remnant was already out there in the

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public before i've ever even heard of it

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so so some of this decision process that's

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all to say we do what we're told

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we are freelance writers yeah uh as much

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as i'd love to claim i have this

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grand vision for sort of how last gen

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is going to come to fruition i really

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am just sort of

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We're writers for hire.

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We're freelance.

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What I find really interesting about Last

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Gen number one is the first comic I

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ever wrote for Grok is going to be

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published.

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And it's a backup story featuring one of

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the Last Gen members, Calvary.

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And it's really interesting because I

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literally just finished doing a dialogue

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polish on it yesterday because I wrote the

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script in January of

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And now if it's sort of on Kickstarter

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going to be published in January of twenty

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twenty five, I've gotten a bit better.

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And there's a few details that have

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changed continuity wise.

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Sorry.

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Twenty twenty twenty six.

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I'm sorry.

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You have a time machine up there.

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Yes, I've gone back in time.

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There's some decisions that I need to go

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back and undo.

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I'm going to win a lot of money

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on the Super Bowl this year.

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Nice, nice.

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I don't even think you could have

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predicted that one.

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Yeah,

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so it's kind of interesting because

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there's a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff.

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Ray knows some of this.

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I think I've lightly discussed it on the

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previous guest spot.

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So several years ago, I was...

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he called me the story editor over at

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Grok comics,

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but essentially I was like looking over

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new talent submissions, critiquing them,

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what was right, what was wrong.

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And that's where Ray was one of these

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guys.

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And Bill was like, Hey, there's this guy,

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Ray, read his script, help him with it.

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And I,

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even though the script was wrong because

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it's a Christian comic and he had like,

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it was a cool script,

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but it was about a mercenary killing a

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bunch of people.

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Oh, no.

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Hold on.

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I took the character Flameshot and I had

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him like massacre a warehouse of drug

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dealers.

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He drops a grenade onto them.

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And then I think he stabs like four

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or five people with a ninja sword.

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And then he burns one guy to death,

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holding them up by the neck.

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Batman just did the same thing,

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so I don't see a problem.

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Yeah.

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So then I was like, hey,

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this is a Christian comic.

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Tone this down.

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Let's do some... So I think...

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By the time this Calvary thing was sent

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to him, it was already in my mind.

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And I had mentioned it to Bill about

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like, hey,

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let's toss him this Calvary script.

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And if he nails it,

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let's have him do Last Gen.

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So it was like this pseudo audition of,

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hey, let's see if he could do this.

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And then he knocked it out of the

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park.

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so then it was like okay now that

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he's got this down okay he can do

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this let's let's let's toss i think we

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toss one more thing at you i think

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that was the south hawk thing yeah yeah

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and then it was after that comes out

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one day yeah and then it was after

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that that i was like all right let's

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give him this book and then we did

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and he's just kind of run with it

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and

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And there was a lot of guys in

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that wave of people trying to submit

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scripts that the scripts were okay,

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but they were what I call,

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it's a horrible name,

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but I call it Skinscript.

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Hey, hey, what's up, kiddo?

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That's my daughter, the older one.

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I love the way the chat will stream

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along the screen.

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I see it.

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CYI World, that must be Bill.

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What's up, Bill?

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Yeah, it's Bill.

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Because that's a muscle.

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It's not showing up as him,

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but I recognize the art.

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Yeah.

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So the, what's it called?

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The, man,

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I've totally lost my train of thought.

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Yeah.

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Yeah,

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I was talking about something interesting.

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No.

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Okay.

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So skin scripts.

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Okay.

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So, so skin scripts.

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Yes.

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I'm sorry.

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It's a horrible name,

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but this is what I call a skin

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script is like,

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I want this really cool thing to happen.

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So I'm going to write this script and

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whatever character you give me,

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I'm going to put in the script.

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but it's not about that character.

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It's about this script I wanted to do.

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So it could be a Batman script.

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It could be Daredevil.

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It doesn't, it's not necessarily like,

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Hey, he jumps off the building, lands,

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beats a bunch of criminals up and jumps

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back on the building and runs away.

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That could be any fifteen characters.

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When you're submitting for a company,

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I want you to write a story that

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is specifically about a character.

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and ray and two other guys when i

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was like hey this is what you're doing

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i need you to do something different

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actually turned around stepped up and did

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what i asked most of the dudes wanted

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to argue with me and i was like

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nope bye so

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in that process of him actually wanting to

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learn and and working and accepting a

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cheek and then again like it seems like

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it should not be rare but it is

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as of coming back with something better

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and he just kept doing that over and

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over again so i was like yeah let's

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give him a title and that's kind of

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how him on last gen came about and

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he's just knocked it out of the park

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it's really has been fun to sit here

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and go hey here's this two sentence idea

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go make something up and uh he'll come

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back with something spectacular

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I mean,

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isn't that just such the fun part of

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doing comics,

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just getting to run wild with stuff like

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that?

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And really, from the other side of it,

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I think when I applied to Grok,

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I had one credit under my belt that

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was an illustrated prose story for Big

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Bang Comics.

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I was teaching myself to write comics out

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of, like, just books kind of thing.

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I had very little experience doing it,

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and I applied to Grok,

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and I got the message from Matt,

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and then...

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I forget what my second script I sent

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in was,

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but I know eventually when we got to

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Calvary,

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I read everything there was about him,

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which wasn't much.

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But I didn't want to just write a

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superhero story.

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I wanted to write a Calvary story.

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And again, back to just Matt and...

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how every time you send me back,

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I come back with something else.

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The initial script for the Calvary comic,

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I think I had him run into two

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bank robberies on his walk home.

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And I remember you called me and you

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said, it's good,

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but why don't we just make them one?

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So he fights the robbers and then the

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supervillain as opposed to he fights bank

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robbers and then he fights a supervillain

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at a jewelry heist or something.

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it makes more sense.

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And now looking back on that script,

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I can't believe I ever was going to

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try and fit two different robberies into

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nine pages.

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Like, what was I thinking?

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Everybody in their life has tried to shove

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ten pounds of shit into a five pound

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bag.

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You're all guilty of that one.

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Yeah, enough about my exes.

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We weren't even going to bring them up

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this show, and here you are.

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Yeah, it's been interesting.

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But yeah, I think that was the thing.

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Sometimes when you're working with another

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writer,

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it is sometimes difficult because some

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writers don't want to hear it.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like,

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if you have to tell me all these

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details, well, then that doesn't work.

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Like, it has to be in your story.

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And I think that's been something I've

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seen Ray leaps and bounds over the last

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year or two in everything he does.

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And then sometimes I'm like,

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I don't know why you listen to me.

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Like, you've got tons of stuff out there.

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You know, he's got...

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What is that thing that just came out

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of Bing Bang with the female warrior

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fighting...

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It's Big Bang Adventures,

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and the story is called When Old Gods

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Rise.

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And basically I take sort of,

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I took Venus, who's sort of the,

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you know, like the mythic godly superhero.

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She's pulled from the Roman myths.

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It's very like,

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everybody or like lots of people call for

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like the wonder woman i kind of consider

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her the thor and i threw her up

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against cthulhu and the other old gods and

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i sort of turned them into like this

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ancient pantheon from beyond human memory

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that like return to try and bring about

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the end of the world i was doing

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my best like walt simonson you know there

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we go yeah i like that was so

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fun like some of the most fun i've

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had doing comics

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Dude, sometimes that's all it is.

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It's just a good story.

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Yeah.

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The deepest depravities of your

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imagination can make some of the best

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comics.

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Oh, yeah.

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So now having him do the last-gen stuff

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and watching some of these stories unfold,

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it's kind of funny because sometimes...

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um and we both do it i'll be

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like hey man this is my idea but

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i know it sucks so help me make

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it not suck and he'll say like well

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uh no that just sucks don't do that

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put a line through matt's name and just

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put my name underneath it for golden no

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but i think what what sometimes happens is

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you do have that idea but you know

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it's not there absolutely and to go like

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hey this is my idea

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but I know there there's like the thing

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and you can't see it because you have

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so much in your mind about this whole

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story.

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So he and I are constantly like here,

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read this, tell me what's wrong.

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And then back, you know, he'll would do,

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I learned that word has a comment section

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that you can comment per line.

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And he showed me that.

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So we do that constantly back and forth.

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That's something I learned for a school

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for one of my writing classes.

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Just it's beyond helpful.

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Of course,

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it's funny because I'm still on my

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family's Word account.

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So all of the comments Matt gets on

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his scripts are technically written by my

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dad.

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Yeah.

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I was like, who is this?

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You just now figured out that Word has

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comment section?

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This was a couple of years ago.

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That's like my thing at work is I'm

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always proofing documents and adding stuff

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to documents.

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The comments have become like my best

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friend over the twenty years of using it.

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Because even though I know it's there,

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what I usually do,

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and Ray will probably get PTSD from this,

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is I'll write my comments in red.

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Also, they like like, hey,

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this should say this or try this for

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the dialogue or this makes no sense so

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that you're just like so it sticks out

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really bad.

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But I like to do the strike through

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in red and then add the comment in

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red.

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Or if you have to correct the spelling,

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which he usually does for me,

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just rewrite it correctly and bold red.

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But personally, like for myself,

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because as much as I've had fun working

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with other writers over the last couple of

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years, like usually it's just me doing it.

00:23:00.412 --> 00:23:03.073
So I'll print the script and then I'll

00:23:03.093 --> 00:23:05.114
go back with a blue pen and make

00:23:05.134 --> 00:23:07.075
all my comments and do that and then

00:23:07.095 --> 00:23:08.395
take that to my next thing.

00:23:08.435 --> 00:23:10.537
So doing it digitally is definitely

00:23:10.576 --> 00:23:12.218
something new because I've never had to.

00:23:13.478 --> 00:23:15.419
let me critique this and send it to

00:23:15.459 --> 00:23:16.740
somebody so they can make it better.

00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:20.541
But no, it is,

00:23:20.602 --> 00:23:22.702
it's been fun to work with together and

00:23:22.762 --> 00:23:25.544
definitely kind of mold this last gen

00:23:25.564 --> 00:23:25.723
thing.

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I mean,

00:23:26.423 --> 00:23:28.625
I think technically we've got six or seven

00:23:28.664 --> 00:23:31.247
things plotted out for this guy or for

00:23:31.287 --> 00:23:32.047
this team.

00:23:32.446 --> 00:23:35.249
We have so many, well,

00:23:35.269 --> 00:23:36.628
we've been talking back and forth for a

00:23:36.669 --> 00:23:37.130
while now.

00:23:37.170 --> 00:23:39.330
I've been just sort of bouncing ideas off

00:23:39.351 --> 00:23:40.530
of you and off of Bill for what

00:23:40.550 --> 00:23:41.372
we should do for

00:23:42.471 --> 00:23:47.508
issue two uh i what's up nathan my

00:23:47.548 --> 00:23:48.832
dude right there what's up nathan

00:23:50.151 --> 00:23:51.290
He was a blast to have on,

00:23:51.891 --> 00:23:53.251
just so y'all know.

00:23:53.291 --> 00:23:54.771
The Idolverse is going to be something

00:23:54.811 --> 00:23:55.332
amazing.

00:23:55.832 --> 00:23:56.653
Jupiter Man, right?

00:23:57.232 --> 00:23:57.972
Yeah, Jupiter Man.

00:23:58.452 --> 00:23:58.633
Yeah,

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Nathan sent me a copy of issues one

00:24:01.233 --> 00:24:02.473
and two of Jupiter Man.

00:24:02.493 --> 00:24:03.233
I got a chance to read it.

00:24:03.253 --> 00:24:04.134
Such a fun read.

00:24:04.914 --> 00:24:06.095
Dude, such a fun read,

00:24:06.115 --> 00:24:07.194
and I love what he's doing.

00:24:07.655 --> 00:24:09.175
And where that story is going to go

00:24:09.635 --> 00:24:11.375
is going to be amazing.

00:24:12.057 --> 00:24:12.436
Nice.

00:24:13.656 --> 00:24:13.916
Yeah.

00:24:14.196 --> 00:24:15.518
No, it's a terrific comic.

00:24:15.538 --> 00:24:16.958
I'm interested to see where it goes next.

00:24:18.131 --> 00:24:19.791
especially when it gets to that big battle

00:24:19.811 --> 00:24:20.532
scenes coming up.

00:24:20.673 --> 00:24:23.954
I think he said issue eight.

00:24:24.775 --> 00:24:26.297
Well, someone sent me a link.

00:24:29.298 --> 00:24:30.519
But let me ask you this.

00:24:33.761 --> 00:24:36.442
How did you approach writing heroes who

00:24:36.482 --> 00:24:38.884
inherit both power and expectation and

00:24:38.984 --> 00:24:42.507
heroes who have already existed before you

00:24:42.548 --> 00:24:43.188
got to them?

00:24:47.422 --> 00:24:48.982
You're not going to get easy questions

00:24:49.022 --> 00:24:49.443
from me.

00:24:50.105 --> 00:24:51.766
No, I'm definitely not going to.

00:24:55.069 --> 00:24:57.291
Honestly, I tried to...

00:24:57.913 --> 00:24:59.894
So the two main characters in Last Gen

00:24:59.914 --> 00:25:02.698
who sort of juggle both a legacy and...

00:25:05.463 --> 00:25:07.906
sort of superpowers are appropriately,

00:25:08.788 --> 00:25:09.788
as I think Bill calls them,

00:25:09.808 --> 00:25:10.690
the atomic twins,

00:25:10.849 --> 00:25:13.292
Atoman and the Atomic Thunderbolt.

00:25:14.153 --> 00:25:16.115
And they're both the grandsons of, well,

00:25:16.195 --> 00:25:17.758
the original Atoman and the original

00:25:17.817 --> 00:25:18.838
Atomic Thunderbolt.

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But the way I tried to contrast the

00:25:22.563 --> 00:25:23.423
two of them is...

00:25:24.576 --> 00:25:27.337
Adaman, whose name is Adam,

00:25:27.818 --> 00:25:30.160
his grandfather was a superhero and left

00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.721
him the Adaman costume.

00:25:33.741 --> 00:25:34.182
Hey, James.

00:25:35.162 --> 00:25:36.343
You're too kind to me, James.

00:25:37.923 --> 00:25:38.743
Over Christmas break,

00:25:38.804 --> 00:25:41.165
I sent in my idea for the plot

00:25:41.185 --> 00:25:42.766
for issue nine of Alpha Red,

00:25:42.905 --> 00:25:44.686
and James said he really liked it.

00:25:44.807 --> 00:25:45.667
I think it's going to be...

00:25:46.949 --> 00:25:48.169
Issue eight is terrific.

00:25:48.189 --> 00:25:49.230
I've been seeing the art behind the

00:25:49.250 --> 00:25:49.529
scenes.

00:25:49.630 --> 00:25:50.470
It's fantastic.

00:25:50.931 --> 00:25:51.550
Issue nine, though,

00:25:51.570 --> 00:25:53.271
we've got some crazy stuff cooking for

00:25:53.291 --> 00:25:53.511
that.

00:25:55.709 --> 00:25:56.509
Sorry, as I was saying,

00:25:56.569 --> 00:25:58.010
so there's Atoman and the Atomic

00:25:58.050 --> 00:25:58.530
Thunderbolt.

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They're both juggling being superheroes

00:26:01.512 --> 00:26:04.035
and sort of carrying on the legacies of

00:26:04.095 --> 00:26:04.994
their grandfathers.

00:26:05.615 --> 00:26:09.377
But the big difference is Atoman's legacy

00:26:09.758 --> 00:26:13.059
is a lot more straightforward and,

00:26:13.361 --> 00:26:14.500
for lack of a better word,

00:26:14.842 --> 00:26:17.782
unsullied than Hiro,

00:26:17.884 --> 00:26:19.464
who is the Atomic Thunderbolt.

00:26:20.664 --> 00:26:22.105
It's not Hiro, like superhero.

00:26:22.125 --> 00:26:23.067
It's H-I-R-O.

00:26:24.818 --> 00:26:25.130
and

00:26:26.644 --> 00:26:27.625
In Hiro's case,

00:26:28.025 --> 00:26:29.645
his grandfather was the atomic

00:26:29.665 --> 00:26:30.165
thunderbolt,

00:26:30.626 --> 00:26:33.188
but then his grandfather was arrested and

00:26:33.228 --> 00:26:34.588
put in an internment camp.

00:26:35.490 --> 00:26:38.412
During World War II.

00:26:38.432 --> 00:26:38.692
Sorry?

00:26:38.711 --> 00:26:39.313
During World War II.

00:26:39.333 --> 00:26:40.393
Yeah, sorry, during World War II,

00:26:40.413 --> 00:26:40.953
I should mention.

00:26:41.233 --> 00:26:43.095
He was a Japanese-American during World

00:26:43.115 --> 00:26:43.575
War II.

00:26:43.654 --> 00:26:44.935
The grandfather gets stripped of his

00:26:44.976 --> 00:26:46.837
title, put in these internment camps.

00:26:47.317 --> 00:26:50.059
They make somebody else atomic.

00:26:50.099 --> 00:26:52.121
Sorry, not trying to steal it.

00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:53.082
No, he's absolutely right.

00:26:53.342 --> 00:26:55.502
I, of course,

00:26:55.522 --> 00:26:56.523
knew what he was talking about.

00:26:56.884 --> 00:26:57.604
Right.

00:26:58.064 --> 00:27:01.085
And then Hero finds out that sort of

00:27:01.684 --> 00:27:02.726
his grandfather was the Atomic

00:27:02.746 --> 00:27:03.205
Thunderbolt,

00:27:03.246 --> 00:27:04.566
but his legacy has been erased.

00:27:05.205 --> 00:27:07.487
So now Hero's really trying to make a

00:27:07.606 --> 00:27:09.267
new legacy to make up for the old

00:27:09.307 --> 00:27:10.367
legacy that was taken,

00:27:10.407 --> 00:27:12.387
whereas Atom Man's kind of towing the line

00:27:12.407 --> 00:27:12.788
a bit more,

00:27:12.807 --> 00:27:15.229
just trying to live up to his grandfather.

00:27:15.709 --> 00:27:18.069
Hero's trying to sort of make a mark

00:27:18.210 --> 00:27:19.750
as the new Atomic Thunderbolt.

00:27:19.769 --> 00:27:21.711
Does that make sense?

00:27:21.851 --> 00:27:22.971
A hundred percent.

00:27:23.371 --> 00:27:23.550
Yeah.

00:27:23.631 --> 00:27:24.652
And one thing I've got,

00:27:24.731 --> 00:27:25.271
and this is in...

00:27:26.803 --> 00:27:28.644
the script I've got that'll be in Last

00:27:28.663 --> 00:27:29.565
Gen Issue Zero,

00:27:30.285 --> 00:27:33.707
is Atoman is kind of showing Hiro the

00:27:33.767 --> 00:27:34.106
ropes,

00:27:34.126 --> 00:27:35.768
because he's been doing this a bit longer.

00:27:36.128 --> 00:27:42.051
He's showing Hiro how to be a superhero.

00:27:42.211 --> 00:27:42.352
Ooh,

00:27:42.392 --> 00:27:46.734
that's a good question from Nathan there.

00:27:46.815 --> 00:27:48.336
Yeah.

00:27:48.415 --> 00:27:50.237
How did I get the opportunity to co-write

00:27:50.257 --> 00:27:50.817
for Grok?

00:27:52.298 --> 00:27:53.259
Honestly, I just...

00:27:55.502 --> 00:27:57.183
this sorry i'm trying to remember it was

00:27:57.203 --> 00:27:58.744
a couple years ago there was a there

00:27:58.765 --> 00:28:01.465
was a talent call for freelance writers

00:28:01.506 --> 00:28:05.067
for grok and ray had submitted several

00:28:05.107 --> 00:28:08.388
scripts that's how it happened yeah i was

00:28:08.429 --> 00:28:09.970
trying to remember whether or not i found

00:28:10.009 --> 00:28:11.790
it through facebook or if i found it

00:28:11.830 --> 00:28:15.712
through it was on everything i had this

00:28:15.752 --> 00:28:18.054
bad habit when i was like i would

00:28:18.094 --> 00:28:19.134
go to indie planet and

00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:21.840
i would just go through all of the

00:28:21.881 --> 00:28:23.162
comics they had there under the new

00:28:23.201 --> 00:28:24.702
releases and i would just look up all

00:28:24.742 --> 00:28:26.124
the publishers and i would just sort of

00:28:26.144 --> 00:28:28.965
uh see which ones were open to submissions

00:28:29.165 --> 00:28:31.528
and i just i call it the shotgun

00:28:31.567 --> 00:28:35.170
approach yeah yeah yeah yeah see i think

00:28:35.309 --> 00:28:36.851
i think for for me it's kind of

00:28:36.871 --> 00:28:38.612
funny because i think ultimately i did

00:28:38.652 --> 00:28:40.513
submit to the same thing is that he

00:28:40.534 --> 00:28:43.855
had put out a talent call i submitted

00:28:44.536 --> 00:28:44.816
and then

00:28:46.057 --> 00:28:48.499
somehow i got actually like through

00:28:48.558 --> 00:28:50.881
happenstance ended up like really quickly

00:28:50.921 --> 00:28:53.603
getting on a personal phone call with him

00:28:53.624 --> 00:28:57.686
he's just amazing just like was like oh

00:28:58.007 --> 00:28:59.147
let me do this and this and i'll

00:28:59.167 --> 00:29:01.369
help you and and it was ultimately like

00:29:01.910 --> 00:29:03.310
okay well if you really want to help

00:29:03.432 --> 00:29:05.073
read all these people's scripts and tell

00:29:05.093 --> 00:29:09.016
me what's good and bad okay ninety percent

00:29:09.036 --> 00:29:10.176
of them are bad do we have to

00:29:10.196 --> 00:29:11.337
take it to these people yeah

00:29:15.016 --> 00:29:16.636
And then you met me.

00:29:16.696 --> 00:29:16.997
Yeah.

00:29:17.676 --> 00:29:19.377
And then on Christmas Day, hey, man,

00:29:19.397 --> 00:29:21.078
did you read my script?

00:29:25.641 --> 00:29:26.500
I got the notification.

00:29:26.621 --> 00:29:28.281
It was the weirdest thing.

00:29:28.362 --> 00:29:32.544
So I applied to Grok with the comic

00:29:32.584 --> 00:29:35.365
about Flameshot where he goes pretty kill

00:29:35.384 --> 00:29:37.385
crazy and Matt told me, hey,

00:29:37.665 --> 00:29:38.906
try again kind of thing.

00:29:39.826 --> 00:29:43.628
And then on Christmas... We just lost him.

00:29:43.648 --> 00:29:43.909
Uh-oh.

00:29:45.398 --> 00:29:46.961
on Christmas Day I don't know what he

00:29:47.520 --> 00:29:49.502
well because he's Canadian so Boxing Day

00:29:49.522 --> 00:29:51.384
is a little like Christmas and it's the

00:29:51.404 --> 00:29:54.288
day after right yes so I'm sitting here

00:29:54.327 --> 00:29:56.049
like opening presents and I get a message

00:29:56.069 --> 00:29:57.432
from him going like hey have you read

00:29:57.451 --> 00:30:01.095
my script and I was like not today

00:30:01.194 --> 00:30:06.221
I have not and uh there he is

00:30:06.800 --> 00:30:10.964
bring it yeah bill phil exactly i can't

00:30:10.986 --> 00:30:12.767
believe this kid is sending me it doesn't

00:30:12.787 --> 00:30:15.150
say merry christmas or hey have a merry

00:30:15.170 --> 00:30:17.571
christmas it doesn't it's just literally

00:30:17.612 --> 00:30:20.154
like hey happy boston day let me get

00:30:20.194 --> 00:30:22.636
something so i was like i was like

00:30:22.676 --> 00:30:24.419
dude what is this kid's problem but he's

00:30:24.439 --> 00:30:26.701
like he's from canada and i was like

00:30:26.741 --> 00:30:27.702
can you get him in and out yeah

00:30:28.403 --> 00:30:28.864
let me see

00:30:29.815 --> 00:30:31.455
But yeah, it was basically like,

00:30:32.116 --> 00:30:33.258
what is this kid's problem?

00:30:33.357 --> 00:30:34.538
I cannot believe he's done this.

00:30:34.558 --> 00:30:36.161
He's like, well, he's from Canada.

00:30:36.540 --> 00:30:37.902
And I was like, oh, okay.

00:30:38.542 --> 00:30:38.982
A little bit.

00:30:39.002 --> 00:30:40.584
So I think I mentioned back like, hey,

00:30:41.424 --> 00:30:42.046
it's Christmas.

00:30:42.125 --> 00:30:43.166
Give me a couple days.

00:30:43.527 --> 00:30:45.588
But he also didn't know anything about me.

00:30:46.108 --> 00:30:47.810
So he didn't know I still had kids

00:30:47.830 --> 00:30:50.972
at home and that I'm not doing whatever.

00:30:51.012 --> 00:30:53.355
So it was very funny because it was

00:30:53.394 --> 00:30:53.855
just like,

00:30:54.718 --> 00:30:59.724
i i can sometimes have a short temper

00:30:59.884 --> 00:31:03.349
about certain things so that was one of

00:31:03.369 --> 00:31:03.851
those like

00:31:07.548 --> 00:31:09.570
then it was like once once i found

00:31:09.611 --> 00:31:11.053
that i was like okay let me uh

00:31:11.673 --> 00:31:12.734
let me talk to him so then i

00:31:12.815 --> 00:31:14.336
think he's a kid man he was excited

00:31:14.376 --> 00:31:15.999
about his work he was very excited and

00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:17.780
that was the thing is like i think

00:31:17.800 --> 00:31:19.942
a lot of people sometimes underestimate

00:31:19.982 --> 00:31:22.826
what enthusiasm will get you like if

00:31:22.885 --> 00:31:24.728
you're enthusiastic and you're willing to

00:31:24.807 --> 00:31:26.971
listen and work and try and get things

00:31:27.030 --> 00:31:28.271
done like

00:31:29.093 --> 00:31:29.773
We'll do that.

00:31:30.034 --> 00:31:32.474
I've been studying and teaching martial

00:31:32.535 --> 00:31:35.116
arts on and off almost my entire life.

00:31:35.636 --> 00:31:38.459
And I would rather teach somebody and have

00:31:38.499 --> 00:31:41.280
them not pay me a dime if they

00:31:41.401 --> 00:31:43.061
really want to learn and work.

00:31:44.138 --> 00:31:45.119
Rather than you spend,

00:31:45.461 --> 00:31:46.922
you give me two hundred dollars a private

00:31:46.961 --> 00:31:47.323
lesson,

00:31:47.383 --> 00:31:49.724
but you suck or you don't want to

00:31:49.765 --> 00:31:49.964
do it.

00:31:49.984 --> 00:31:51.527
You're just trying to drop your kid off.

00:31:52.868 --> 00:31:53.169
Yeah.

00:31:53.189 --> 00:31:54.150
So for me,

00:31:54.289 --> 00:31:57.133
it's it's definitely like I need you to

00:31:57.192 --> 00:31:57.933
want to do it.

00:31:58.615 --> 00:31:59.816
What's your background as far as

00:31:59.855 --> 00:32:01.218
competition?

00:32:02.673 --> 00:32:04.194
He was chiseling them into stone back in

00:32:04.214 --> 00:32:04.976
the Stone Age.

00:32:07.258 --> 00:32:07.439
No,

00:32:08.278 --> 00:32:12.042
I have on and off written comics just

00:32:12.123 --> 00:32:13.604
on my own trying to break into the

00:32:13.624 --> 00:32:15.205
industry since I was a kid.

00:32:17.248 --> 00:32:18.108
But I really...

00:32:18.328 --> 00:32:19.349
So it's kind of a weird...

00:32:20.090 --> 00:32:21.231
I'll try and summarize this.

00:32:21.311 --> 00:32:23.794
So all through my late teens and early

00:32:23.854 --> 00:32:25.194
twenties, tried to break into...

00:32:27.758 --> 00:32:28.219
He ain't wrong.

00:32:28.439 --> 00:32:28.959
He ain't wrong.

00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:30.902
All through my late teens or early

00:32:30.942 --> 00:32:31.221
twenties,

00:32:31.301 --> 00:32:32.963
I tried to break into comics or do

00:32:33.023 --> 00:32:34.184
something with somebody I knew,

00:32:34.244 --> 00:32:36.107
like other artists I knew in high school.

00:32:36.147 --> 00:32:37.489
There's artists I met in college.

00:32:38.130 --> 00:32:39.131
And as a writer,

00:32:39.151 --> 00:32:40.471
it's very difficult to break in.

00:32:41.953 --> 00:32:44.375
And then my late twenties digital films

00:32:44.415 --> 00:32:45.355
started becoming a thing.

00:32:45.896 --> 00:32:47.917
And I realized like I could be creative

00:32:47.938 --> 00:32:48.657
without an artist.

00:32:48.678 --> 00:32:50.699
So I learned how to do digital film.

00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.421
And for the next ten years,

00:32:53.441 --> 00:32:55.903
that's what I did is I wrote scripts

00:32:57.123 --> 00:32:59.404
and made films because I didn't have to

00:32:59.444 --> 00:33:00.085
worry an artist.

00:33:00.105 --> 00:33:01.066
I could do everything myself.

00:33:01.465 --> 00:33:03.707
And then it was my mid forties when

00:33:03.748 --> 00:33:05.288
I think I tried to break back into

00:33:05.327 --> 00:33:05.788
comics.

00:33:06.730 --> 00:33:08.672
I had enough money to pay in order

00:33:08.692 --> 00:33:09.952
just to draw the things I wanted,

00:33:10.433 --> 00:33:11.515
came up with a concept,

00:33:12.115 --> 00:33:13.336
and I think I had him do two

00:33:13.477 --> 00:33:13.936
issues.

00:33:13.997 --> 00:33:15.398
Then we tried to shop it around,

00:33:15.818 --> 00:33:17.401
but nobody would pick it up because I

00:33:17.441 --> 00:33:18.942
did not want to do the self-publishing

00:33:18.982 --> 00:33:19.202
thing.

00:33:19.763 --> 00:33:21.305
I wanted to get somebody to distribute it.

00:33:22.125 --> 00:33:24.406
and it just didn't work and had i

00:33:24.467 --> 00:33:27.666
probably known more of what i know now

00:33:27.727 --> 00:33:28.867
then i probably would have done it

00:33:28.887 --> 00:33:30.867
differently but ultimately i stepped away

00:33:30.887 --> 00:33:32.888
and was like well whatever and then it

00:33:32.929 --> 00:33:36.509
wasn't until a couple years back when grok

00:33:36.528 --> 00:33:38.210
was doing the hey we're looking for

00:33:38.250 --> 00:33:42.391
freelance writers i applied got got hired

00:33:42.510 --> 00:33:43.971
on did a bunch of scripts for him

00:33:44.411 --> 00:33:45.991
and it was within two or three months

00:33:46.011 --> 00:33:46.251
that

00:33:47.551 --> 00:33:48.913
Nick at Apogee was like, hey,

00:33:48.932 --> 00:33:50.074
I want you to come work for me.

00:33:50.094 --> 00:33:51.894
And then I had this guy over here

00:33:51.994 --> 00:33:53.796
asking me and then somebody else asking

00:33:53.816 --> 00:33:54.016
me.

00:33:54.355 --> 00:33:56.017
And it was just this really weird kind

00:33:56.057 --> 00:33:58.118
of a lot of things came together.

00:33:58.558 --> 00:33:59.960
So I've done a lot of that.

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:01.101
So currently,

00:34:01.840 --> 00:34:03.821
I do have a lot of scripts that

00:34:03.902 --> 00:34:05.542
I wrote for Grok that are still being

00:34:05.583 --> 00:34:06.003
produced.

00:34:06.943 --> 00:34:10.105
um and bill and i have talked about

00:34:10.125 --> 00:34:12.065
me probably going back and writing some

00:34:12.106 --> 00:34:14.027
more stuff i've also written a bunch of

00:34:14.047 --> 00:34:16.907
stuff for apogee currently i am the

00:34:17.007 --> 00:34:20.429
editor-in-chief of apogee so i'm really

00:34:20.748 --> 00:34:22.710
trying to work on getting all of those

00:34:22.750 --> 00:34:25.871
things to meld together and i'll be doing

00:34:25.891 --> 00:34:27.931
that that's a lot dude especially over at

00:34:28.012 --> 00:34:30.112
apogee i know nick has a lot of

00:34:30.132 --> 00:34:31.753
things going on i know he's trying to

00:34:31.793 --> 00:34:34.034
tie everything back together again

00:34:34.835 --> 00:34:36.335
And he's got some good ideas and it's

00:34:36.355 --> 00:34:39.235
just a matter of getting, like,

00:34:39.295 --> 00:34:39.896
it's kind of funny.

00:34:39.936 --> 00:34:41.155
It's like, what's it called?

00:34:42.356 --> 00:34:43.516
It's really cool to have a plan,

00:34:44.016 --> 00:34:45.637
but if you don't share the plan with

00:34:45.657 --> 00:34:46.996
all the writers, the plan goes away.

00:34:47.016 --> 00:34:47.398
You're good, Ray.

00:34:48.458 --> 00:34:48.777
Oh, good.

00:34:48.797 --> 00:34:49.918
I'm back.

00:34:49.958 --> 00:34:50.617
Sorry about that.

00:34:51.057 --> 00:34:52.998
My Wi-Fi, believe it or not,

00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:55.699
has cut out in multiple podcasts and shows

00:34:55.759 --> 00:34:56.278
I've been on.

00:34:56.498 --> 00:34:58.760
It is very frustrating and I do not

00:34:58.780 --> 00:34:59.500
know how to fix it.

00:35:01.057 --> 00:35:02.838
Tell your side of messaging me on

00:35:02.878 --> 00:35:03.300
Christmas.

00:35:03.380 --> 00:35:03.480
Go.

00:35:03.500 --> 00:35:07.583
Oh my gosh.

00:35:07.842 --> 00:35:11.465
So Christmas, unwrapped presents,

00:35:11.766 --> 00:35:13.788
hanging out, go to church,

00:35:15.349 --> 00:35:16.990
call the grandparents, all of that.

00:35:17.471 --> 00:35:19.693
I check my email and I see that

00:35:19.733 --> 00:35:23.396
the Grok Comics creator resources folder

00:35:23.416 --> 00:35:24.817
or something has been shared with me.

00:35:27.682 --> 00:35:31.324
And that makes me think I probably got

00:35:31.364 --> 00:35:33.804
the job, right?

00:35:33.864 --> 00:35:35.605
But it's Christmas.

00:35:35.684 --> 00:35:37.045
Why would it sort of get sent to

00:35:37.065 --> 00:35:37.204
me?

00:35:37.284 --> 00:35:38.505
So I was sort of going back and

00:35:38.525 --> 00:35:39.664
forth about whether or not I should reach

00:35:39.865 --> 00:35:40.126
out.

00:35:40.186 --> 00:35:42.166
And did I reach out on Christmas or

00:35:42.186 --> 00:35:43.085
was it Boxing Day?

00:35:43.166 --> 00:35:44.206
It was Christmas.

00:35:44.226 --> 00:35:48.367
I definitely just couldn't help myself,

00:35:49.266 --> 00:35:50.788
which, again, I feel bad about.

00:35:52.188 --> 00:35:52.927
That sounds like him.

00:35:53.748 --> 00:35:55.349
James, that sounds exactly like Ray.

00:35:55.648 --> 00:35:56.688
That's exactly what I did.

00:36:00.048 --> 00:36:01.349
Keep bugging them until you break them

00:36:01.389 --> 00:36:02.130
down, man.

00:36:04.711 --> 00:36:09.496
I mean, it's worked so far.

00:36:09.516 --> 00:36:10.456
You must have done something.

00:36:11.077 --> 00:36:12.858
Squeaky wheel gets the oil?

00:36:12.918 --> 00:36:13.699
Is that what they say?

00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:14.599
That's what they say.

00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:17.840
Yeah, and anyways,

00:36:17.860 --> 00:36:18.961
I reached out to Matt to sort of

00:36:19.001 --> 00:36:19.563
say, hey,

00:36:19.623 --> 00:36:21.364
so did I get the job if I

00:36:21.384 --> 00:36:22.445
have these resources?

00:36:22.684 --> 00:36:25.226
And I think we went back and forth

00:36:25.246 --> 00:36:25.628
a little bit.

00:36:25.648 --> 00:36:27.148
They weren't actually supposed to be sent

00:36:27.168 --> 00:36:27.849
to me quite yet,

00:36:27.869 --> 00:36:28.710
but I did have a gig.

00:36:28.750 --> 00:36:30.291
It was a little confusing,

00:36:30.311 --> 00:36:31.431
but it all worked out for the best,

00:36:31.492 --> 00:36:31.733
right?

00:36:35.826 --> 00:36:36.045
Yeah.

00:36:36.085 --> 00:36:38.626
I think the share was like...

00:36:39.467 --> 00:36:40.327
The problem is,

00:36:40.367 --> 00:36:41.527
and I've seen this a lot of times,

00:36:42.268 --> 00:36:43.268
especially as a writer,

00:36:43.387 --> 00:36:45.929
is it's very easy for an artist to

00:36:45.989 --> 00:36:47.769
go, I like what that character looks like.

00:36:47.909 --> 00:36:49.831
Let me draw three pages of that character

00:36:49.871 --> 00:36:50.550
doing something.

00:36:51.210 --> 00:36:52.711
It's very difficult as a writer to do

00:36:52.731 --> 00:36:55.833
that because unless the company that is

00:36:55.932 --> 00:36:58.813
looking for writers gives you complete

00:36:58.914 --> 00:37:00.233
information about the character,

00:37:00.313 --> 00:37:01.775
you just have to blindly go...

00:37:02.635 --> 00:37:03.715
I like how he looks.

00:37:04.115 --> 00:37:05.617
Let me make up a story about him.

00:37:06.777 --> 00:37:09.641
So I think that's where it gets really

00:37:09.701 --> 00:37:12.382
hard to kind of submit stuff.

00:37:12.422 --> 00:37:14.103
So with him,

00:37:14.123 --> 00:37:16.965
with all the people that kept sending

00:37:16.985 --> 00:37:19.108
stuff in that was questionable,

00:37:19.268 --> 00:37:20.768
I think I talked to Bill about like,

00:37:20.809 --> 00:37:21.088
hey,

00:37:21.190 --> 00:37:22.891
I think we need to share more with

00:37:22.931 --> 00:37:25.853
these guys about what they're sending and

00:37:25.873 --> 00:37:26.614
what they're writing.

00:37:27.134 --> 00:37:28.795
at the same time why a bunch of

00:37:28.815 --> 00:37:30.574
writers who went to a website called

00:37:30.655 --> 00:37:33.835
tribulation task force sent overly violent

00:37:34.336 --> 00:37:37.998
scripts is beyond me whoops maybe yeah it

00:37:38.077 --> 00:37:43.719
was it was the main character has a

00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:47.240
giant cross to be honest to be fair

00:37:47.260 --> 00:37:50.181
there's not a whole lot of comic book

00:37:50.222 --> 00:37:52.182
companies out there making

00:37:54.155 --> 00:37:57.418
christian comic books so i didn't know

00:37:57.458 --> 00:38:00.760
that existed until actually uh matt sent

00:38:00.820 --> 00:38:03.043
me the email and i'll fully admit like

00:38:03.063 --> 00:38:04.684
this might make me seem a little dumb

00:38:04.724 --> 00:38:06.907
but i did not realize grok was a

00:38:06.947 --> 00:38:08.789
christian company until matt got back to

00:38:08.809 --> 00:38:10.630
me and i was like oh okay i

00:38:10.670 --> 00:38:11.972
see what i did wrong here i'm gonna

00:38:12.273 --> 00:38:12.353
fix

00:38:12.952 --> 00:38:13.954
And in your defense,

00:38:13.974 --> 00:38:14.954
that's what happens a lot.

00:38:15.273 --> 00:38:17.295
I'm also the kind of person when somebody

00:38:17.355 --> 00:38:18.096
says, hey,

00:38:19.076 --> 00:38:20.016
do you want to write for us?

00:38:20.217 --> 00:38:21.637
Or, hey, we're looking for talent.

00:38:21.836 --> 00:38:22.878
I will stalk.

00:38:23.318 --> 00:38:25.139
I'll go back years on their Instagram.

00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:26.398
I'll go through their website.

00:38:26.418 --> 00:38:28.559
I'll look at everything because I do not

00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:28.981
want to be...

00:38:30.822 --> 00:38:32.222
These interviews yeah,

00:38:32.523 --> 00:38:33.965
but it is like that's the thing is

00:38:33.985 --> 00:38:35.806
like sometimes I feel like like if you're

00:38:35.905 --> 00:38:36.947
if you want the job you got to

00:38:36.967 --> 00:38:38.528
do the homework and I think that was

00:38:38.568 --> 00:38:40.449
where sometimes I get annoyed especially

00:38:40.469 --> 00:38:42.911
if it was like There was one guy

00:38:42.931 --> 00:38:46.275
who wrote a script about black Cobra and

00:38:46.335 --> 00:38:48.777
unfortunately for him I was in the middle

00:38:48.797 --> 00:38:51.179
of writing that first issue and it was

00:38:51.259 --> 00:38:51.519
like

00:38:52.628 --> 00:38:54.068
what are you, like, what are you, like,

00:38:54.230 --> 00:38:55.650
he sent it, and then I'm reading it,

00:38:55.951 --> 00:38:56.311
and I go,

00:38:56.391 --> 00:38:58.753
why is he writing this guy this way?

00:38:59.434 --> 00:39:01.396
So then I go and read what was

00:39:01.635 --> 00:39:04.278
on the talent search, and it just says,

00:39:04.298 --> 00:39:04.458
like,

00:39:04.498 --> 00:39:07.161
Bat Cobra is a superhero in The Remnant.

00:39:07.902 --> 00:39:09.463
and there is an entire setup of that

00:39:09.543 --> 00:39:12.786
world where the remnant characters the

00:39:12.826 --> 00:39:15.547
heroes they're actually publicly looked at

00:39:15.608 --> 00:39:18.610
as terrorists because the watchers the bad

00:39:18.650 --> 00:39:20.992
guys work for the un and pr blah

00:39:21.032 --> 00:39:24.434
blah which is cool but he had black

00:39:24.474 --> 00:39:26.295
cobra like talking to the cops and hanging

00:39:26.356 --> 00:39:27.416
out with them and i was like hey

00:39:28.257 --> 00:39:30.358
the heroes in this universe do not talk

00:39:30.378 --> 00:39:32.619
to the cops like the cops would probably

00:39:32.659 --> 00:39:34.581
try and take them down i need you

00:39:34.601 --> 00:39:36.862
to rewrite it and then he well why

00:39:36.882 --> 00:39:38.844
would i do that i was like

00:39:39.797 --> 00:39:40.137
I don't know.

00:39:40.157 --> 00:39:42.179
You want the guy asking you to.

00:39:42.980 --> 00:39:43.199
Yeah.

00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:44.579
This is one of those writers.

00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.380
What was like everything I kind of pushed

00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.342
back at him because he was the one

00:39:48.382 --> 00:39:51.583
who I think he did another rewrite and

00:39:51.603 --> 00:39:52.523
it wasn't any better.

00:39:52.643 --> 00:39:53.885
And I was like, I tell you what,

00:39:53.945 --> 00:39:54.824
let's do something different.

00:39:54.885 --> 00:39:57.445
Why don't you write a completely new

00:39:57.505 --> 00:40:01.588
script and do it on this guy?

00:40:01.668 --> 00:40:03.068
And I gave him all this information and

00:40:03.088 --> 00:40:03.849
he was like, well,

00:40:03.869 --> 00:40:04.550
I'm not going to do that.

00:40:05.449 --> 00:40:06.150
why would I do that?

00:40:06.170 --> 00:40:06.731
And I was like, well,

00:40:06.851 --> 00:40:08.371
you're the one applying for a job.

00:40:08.431 --> 00:40:09.192
Why would you not?

00:40:09.731 --> 00:40:10.231
And he's like, well,

00:40:10.251 --> 00:40:11.432
I don't want to do this.

00:40:11.452 --> 00:40:12.393
You don't know what you're talking about.

00:40:12.413 --> 00:40:12.753
And I was like,

00:40:12.873 --> 00:40:14.353
this is where the conversation ends and

00:40:14.474 --> 00:40:16.034
have a good day.

00:40:16.074 --> 00:40:16.175
Yeah.

00:40:16.195 --> 00:40:17.896
It was just one of those, like,

00:40:17.916 --> 00:40:18.255
you're right.

00:40:18.315 --> 00:40:20.996
I don't buy it, but it was,

00:40:21.117 --> 00:40:21.436
it was,

00:40:21.657 --> 00:40:24.619
that's why to kind of bring around why

00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:27.340
Ray, a guy named Michael,

00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:28.679
who I think you've had on your show.

00:40:30.121 --> 00:40:31.581
So different of like, Hey,

00:40:32.322 --> 00:40:34.362
They took what I said and were like,

00:40:34.802 --> 00:40:35.664
oh, that's what this is,

00:40:35.744 --> 00:40:37.264
and came back with a script that was

00:40:37.385 --> 00:40:39.945
really for this thing.

00:40:40.085 --> 00:40:41.086
Oh, yeah, Mike Williams.

00:40:42.255 --> 00:40:45.916
yeah dude that dude is super smart when

00:40:45.956 --> 00:40:50.797
it comes to the administrative type side

00:40:50.998 --> 00:40:54.739
of the business like his episode for

00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:57.179
anybody out there interested in comic

00:40:57.219 --> 00:41:00.701
books go watch that episode with him

00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:05.643
because the dude from the business side of

00:41:05.682 --> 00:41:06.322
the house

00:41:07.144 --> 00:41:10.269
is a freaking genius like that was a

00:41:10.449 --> 00:41:13.635
master class of the business side of the

00:41:13.655 --> 00:41:15.378
of comics yeah

00:41:17.617 --> 00:41:17.918
Nathan,

00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:19.800
I would recommend Atomic Thunderbolt,

00:41:20.862 --> 00:41:21.983
Black Cobra number one,

00:41:22.282 --> 00:41:23.483
Thief of the Night number one,

00:41:23.563 --> 00:41:25.146
and the upcoming Remnant number eight.

00:41:26.507 --> 00:41:27.648
And Last Gen one and two.

00:41:27.909 --> 00:41:29.090
Last Gen one and two?

00:41:29.570 --> 00:41:31.751
Or Last Gen zero and one?

00:41:31.972 --> 00:41:33.494
I gotta recommend those.

00:41:33.514 --> 00:41:36.436
So Last Gen zero is going to be

00:41:36.577 --> 00:41:38.239
ninety-two pages?

00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:39.420
Yes.

00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:40.121
Yes.

00:41:41.873 --> 00:41:44.418
What was the goal behind creating such a

00:41:44.538 --> 00:41:49.385
large introductory issue?

00:41:49.425 --> 00:41:53.070
Well, that might be a boss man question,

00:41:53.110 --> 00:41:55.094
but maybe you know the answer to that

00:41:55.195 --> 00:41:55.275
one.

00:41:58.510 --> 00:41:59.230
You want me to answer?

00:41:59.530 --> 00:42:00.391
You want to take a shot?

00:42:02.333 --> 00:42:02.992
I have an idea.

00:42:03.614 --> 00:42:05.215
You're welcome to.

00:42:05.355 --> 00:42:06.396
There's a lot of times,

00:42:06.576 --> 00:42:07.797
especially with number zeros,

00:42:07.856 --> 00:42:11.619
where because the nature of a lot of

00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:13.141
stuff at Grok is that it's a lot

00:42:13.181 --> 00:42:14.021
of short stories.

00:42:14.541 --> 00:42:17.463
So you have parables of the remnant.

00:42:17.523 --> 00:42:19.945
You have these issue number ones that are

00:42:19.965 --> 00:42:20.766
multiple stories.

00:42:21.407 --> 00:42:24.809
So the number zero is kind of like

00:42:24.829 --> 00:42:27.472
a collection of all these things you might

00:42:27.552 --> 00:42:29.733
want to know before issue number one.

00:42:30.554 --> 00:42:32.675
So there's some of it's reprint.

00:42:32.715 --> 00:42:34.117
Some of it is new stuff Ray has

00:42:34.177 --> 00:42:34.577
written.

00:42:34.918 --> 00:42:37.280
Some of it may be stuff that has

00:42:37.300 --> 00:42:39.521
been introduced or is on the production

00:42:39.561 --> 00:42:40.842
side that hasn't been released yet.

00:42:41.143 --> 00:42:43.324
And it gets slammed into this number zero.

00:42:44.065 --> 00:42:48.188
And that's why it's kind of this

00:42:48.268 --> 00:42:50.391
spectacular of all the things.

00:42:50.911 --> 00:42:52.393
Dude, that's some value for your money.

00:42:53.072 --> 00:42:53.474
Exactly.

00:42:53.494 --> 00:42:57.197
It reprints the Atoman one shot,

00:42:57.237 --> 00:42:58.759
the Atomic Thunderbolt one shot,

00:42:59.500 --> 00:43:00.721
the Remnant number three,

00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:02.983
which was the first appearance of Atoman

00:43:03.043 --> 00:43:05.025
and Gemstar and Calvary who go on to

00:43:05.085 --> 00:43:07.827
be the founding members of Last Gen.

00:43:08.728 --> 00:43:11.070
And then it has two little short last

00:43:11.090 --> 00:43:12.050
gen stories as well.

00:43:12.771 --> 00:43:15.251
And none of these are a hundred percent

00:43:15.452 --> 00:43:17.152
like required reading for issue number

00:43:17.251 --> 00:43:17.371
one.

00:43:17.452 --> 00:43:18.913
I'm proud of the fact that issue number

00:43:19.032 --> 00:43:21.373
one is sort of a good jumping on

00:43:21.454 --> 00:43:21.614
point.

00:43:21.634 --> 00:43:23.293
You don't need to have read anything to

00:43:23.313 --> 00:43:23.934
go into it.

00:43:24.394 --> 00:43:25.715
But if you've read issue zero,

00:43:26.076 --> 00:43:27.675
you'll appreciate the characters a bit

00:43:27.715 --> 00:43:27.876
more.

00:43:27.896 --> 00:43:29.496
You'll know where they're coming from a

00:43:29.536 --> 00:43:31.737
bit more and you'll get the background of

00:43:31.777 --> 00:43:32.898
the world a bit better.

00:43:32.918 --> 00:43:35.858
The way I would compare it, and Matt,

00:43:35.878 --> 00:43:37.199
please correct me if I'm wrong here,

00:43:37.340 --> 00:43:37.460
is

00:43:38.347 --> 00:43:40.492
It's like if you watch A New Hope

00:43:40.713 --> 00:43:42.577
not knowing the prequels exist versus

00:43:42.637 --> 00:43:44.262
watching A New Hope after watching all the

00:43:44.302 --> 00:43:44.822
prequels.

00:43:45.244 --> 00:43:46.507
Like, you get more of the stuff.

00:43:47.474 --> 00:43:50.235
No, we don't agree.

00:43:50.315 --> 00:43:50.416
No?

00:43:50.436 --> 00:43:50.556
Okay.

00:43:50.577 --> 00:43:52.458
We were forced to get out of order,

00:43:52.478 --> 00:43:52.577
okay?

00:43:52.637 --> 00:43:55.438
We were forced to because that's how we

00:43:55.478 --> 00:43:56.139
come out.

00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:57.320
No, no, no.

00:43:57.900 --> 00:43:59.141
He is correct.

00:44:00.021 --> 00:44:01.442
There are certain things that are filled

00:44:01.521 --> 00:44:01.581
in,

00:44:01.621 --> 00:44:03.302
especially if you get into the Clone Wars

00:44:03.322 --> 00:44:05.603
cartoon of, hey, wow,

00:44:05.643 --> 00:44:07.545
this is why these things happened the way

00:44:07.565 --> 00:44:07.905
they did.

00:44:08.326 --> 00:44:11.666
Just remember, the rule of two,

00:44:11.766 --> 00:44:14.668
there can never be no more, no less.

00:44:14.708 --> 00:44:14.809
Yes.

00:44:16.487 --> 00:44:17.949
So as Sith writers, we're good.

00:44:18.969 --> 00:44:19.869
And Matthew,

00:44:20.090 --> 00:44:24.253
be aware that your young apprentice may be

00:44:24.293 --> 00:44:25.353
coming for you someday.

00:44:27.155 --> 00:44:31.599
I really... Wait, do I have mine?

00:44:31.838 --> 00:44:35.061
Powerful young champion.

00:44:35.501 --> 00:44:37.702
Write all the comics so I don't have

00:44:37.762 --> 00:44:38.143
to.

00:44:40.764 --> 00:44:43.067
We do not do Star Wars prequels around

00:44:43.086 --> 00:44:43.327
here.

00:44:45.188 --> 00:44:46.889
We celebrate Star Wars.

00:44:47.869 --> 00:44:49.050
Well, anyway.

00:44:50.152 --> 00:44:50.512
I have to say...

00:44:50.692 --> 00:44:51.913
We won't talk about those.

00:44:51.932 --> 00:44:53.273
I was just going to say,

00:44:53.313 --> 00:44:55.114
getting to see episode three in

00:44:55.195 --> 00:44:58.036
theaters... Get you on the re-release.

00:44:58.077 --> 00:44:59.978
...earlier this year was crazy.

00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:02.880
Because, well, twentieth anniversary.

00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:05.842
Oh, man, that's weird.

00:45:05.882 --> 00:45:08.224
But yeah, I... Yeah,

00:45:08.244 --> 00:45:09.244
that's what number zero is.

00:45:09.284 --> 00:45:10.266
And that's where it goes.

00:45:10.686 --> 00:45:11.085
All right.

00:45:11.126 --> 00:45:11.947
What else you got, buddy?

00:45:12.306 --> 00:45:12.887
Throw it at us.

00:45:12.987 --> 00:45:13.568
Let's do this.

00:45:14.007 --> 00:45:14.168
So...

00:45:15.831 --> 00:45:18.853
How do stories like The Origin of Ataman,

00:45:19.092 --> 00:45:20.173
Remnant Day One,

00:45:20.293 --> 00:45:23.295
Atomic Thunderbolt establish the emotional

00:45:23.356 --> 00:45:26.297
and thematic foundation of Last Gen?

00:45:26.317 --> 00:45:28.398
That's you, Ray.

00:45:28.418 --> 00:45:28.699
Go.

00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:33.862
I mean, I personally did not write Ataman,

00:45:33.942 --> 00:45:35.163
but I've read it,

00:45:35.222 --> 00:45:36.503
so I can speak to sort of where

00:45:36.563 --> 00:45:38.244
it puts the character for Last Gen number

00:45:38.364 --> 00:45:38.465
one.

00:45:39.655 --> 00:45:41.817
Last Gen, it's a big group of people.

00:45:42.356 --> 00:45:44.018
There's a lot of different characters in

00:45:44.057 --> 00:45:44.137
it,

00:45:44.177 --> 00:45:47.159
and they've all got their own arcs and

00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:49.539
their own personalities and their own

00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.000
journeys that they're going to go on.

00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:54.621
And Alphared, Atomic Thunderbolt,

00:45:54.740 --> 00:46:00.043
or sorry, Atoman, Atomic Thunderbolt.

00:46:00.063 --> 00:46:01.463
Dave's going to do a crossover.

00:46:04.126 --> 00:46:04.967
Okay,

00:46:04.987 --> 00:46:06.748
would it not be a really cool crossover,

00:46:06.789 --> 00:46:07.009
though?

00:46:07.108 --> 00:46:08.871
Alpha Red meets The Remnant.

00:46:08.911 --> 00:46:11.072
It would be so cool.

00:46:11.132 --> 00:46:12.773
Dude, Silent Night and Alpha Red.

00:46:12.833 --> 00:46:13.835
I'm down for this story.

00:46:14.335 --> 00:46:15.235
That would be awesome.

00:46:15.735 --> 00:46:17.036
Silent Night and Alpha Red.

00:46:17.097 --> 00:46:18.318
That would be great.

00:46:19.699 --> 00:46:20.619
But we digress.

00:46:23.661 --> 00:46:26.704
I would have to say the way that

00:46:26.804 --> 00:46:29.027
I wrote Atoman and the Atomic Thunderbolt

00:46:29.106 --> 00:46:30.327
and the members of Last Gen...

00:46:31.746 --> 00:46:33.288
was supposed to be like,

00:46:33.407 --> 00:46:35.568
this is a direct continuation from Atoman

00:46:35.588 --> 00:46:39.451
issue one, Atomic Thunderbolt issue zero,

00:46:39.711 --> 00:46:41.231
and the stories they had previously

00:46:41.251 --> 00:46:41.733
appeared in.

00:46:41.932 --> 00:46:44.554
I wasn't trying to change the characters

00:46:44.574 --> 00:46:46.215
to sort of fit whatever vision I have.

00:46:46.255 --> 00:46:48.036
I was trying to write them as best

00:46:48.096 --> 00:46:48.757
as I could.

00:46:49.996 --> 00:46:54.360
And Atoman is the leader of Last Gen.

00:46:54.460 --> 00:46:54.679
He...

00:46:56.416 --> 00:46:59.038
has that burden to carry, and in Atoman,

00:46:59.458 --> 00:47:00.597
his sort of one-shot,

00:47:01.958 --> 00:47:03.498
he is given the burden of carrying on

00:47:03.518 --> 00:47:04.679
his grandfather's legacy,

00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:06.880
but he still sort of maintains his very

00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.380
bro-dude attitude about it,

00:47:10.579 --> 00:47:12.400
and I hope that carries through to issue

00:47:12.561 --> 00:47:12.721
one.

00:47:12.740 --> 00:47:13.240
Did you say bro-dude?

00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:13.420
Sorry?

00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.382
Did you say bro-dude?

00:47:16.461 --> 00:47:17.382
He's very bro-dude.

00:47:18.981 --> 00:47:21.003
Was it that energy drink from Letterkeny?

00:47:23.974 --> 00:47:24.594
It could be.

00:47:25.034 --> 00:47:29.077
Bitter patter, Ray.

00:47:29.117 --> 00:47:33.581
Bill has written Ataman in the past to

00:47:33.601 --> 00:47:36.543
be sort of like the frat boy superhero.

00:47:36.864 --> 00:47:38.865
And as someone who's currently in college,

00:47:39.525 --> 00:47:41.608
I know quite a few frat dudes or

00:47:41.648 --> 00:47:45.510
guys like sort of similar to that.

00:47:45.570 --> 00:47:47.512
So I definitely pulled on that for Ataman.

00:47:48.914 --> 00:47:50.255
And how you balance sort of

00:47:51.943 --> 00:47:53.603
that personality with being a superhero.

00:47:54.043 --> 00:47:55.125
Not that there's anything wrong with that

00:47:55.184 --> 00:47:57.907
personality, obviously.

00:47:57.987 --> 00:47:59.507
Oh, no, absolutely not.

00:47:59.748 --> 00:48:03.271
And so what made the exclusive stories

00:48:03.351 --> 00:48:06.432
Moving Day and Roll Calling essential to

00:48:06.592 --> 00:48:11.916
understanding who Last Gen is?

00:48:11.976 --> 00:48:12.137
I mean,

00:48:12.177 --> 00:48:13.657
I'd have to say they're not a hundred

00:48:13.697 --> 00:48:15.579
percent essential because you don't need

00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:18.481
to have read issue zero to read issue

00:48:18.641 --> 00:48:18.742
one.

00:48:19.829 --> 00:48:21.172
Reading issue zero will give you a better

00:48:21.211 --> 00:48:22.833
understanding of issue one.

00:48:23.614 --> 00:48:27.860
But move in day shows last gen moving

00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:30.043
into their headquarters and headquarters

00:48:30.063 --> 00:48:31.684
should be in quotes because it is

00:48:32.606 --> 00:48:37.271
basically a shack near the city that they

00:48:37.311 --> 00:48:38.713
fix up into a headquarters.

00:48:40.072 --> 00:48:40.914
And they clean it out.

00:48:40.954 --> 00:48:41.735
They fix it up.

00:48:41.815 --> 00:48:42.856
And by the time we get to issue

00:48:42.976 --> 00:48:43.097
one,

00:48:43.137 --> 00:48:45.840
they've set up a bat computer that also

00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:48.983
doubles as a PS five as well as

00:48:49.003 --> 00:48:50.826
a couple other things.

00:48:51.347 --> 00:48:51.686
Sorry.

00:48:51.867 --> 00:48:54.710
I need a PS five that doubles as

00:48:55.010 --> 00:48:57.273
a bat cave or bat screen.

00:48:58.103 --> 00:48:58.824
They're teenagers.

00:48:58.844 --> 00:48:59.425
What do you expect?

00:49:00.204 --> 00:49:01.387
And for Roll Calling,

00:49:01.726 --> 00:49:03.708
I actually reread that script earlier

00:49:03.748 --> 00:49:05.391
today just to sort of remember exactly

00:49:05.431 --> 00:49:06.291
everything I put in.

00:49:07.012 --> 00:49:08.994
I wrote that over the summer once sort

00:49:09.054 --> 00:49:10.617
of Bill reached out to me and said,

00:49:10.657 --> 00:49:12.119
hey, so Last Gen, we're doing it.

00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:13.059
It's going to be coming out.

00:49:13.739 --> 00:49:15.242
Write a short comic that sort of

00:49:15.422 --> 00:49:16.463
introduces all the characters,

00:49:16.684 --> 00:49:18.025
lets us know what they're all about.

00:49:19.005 --> 00:49:21.088
and sort of sets them up to be

00:49:21.128 --> 00:49:22.829
this new amazing team.

00:49:23.349 --> 00:49:24.789
And I had a lot of fun with

00:49:24.829 --> 00:49:25.190
that one.

00:49:25.489 --> 00:49:27.092
I really pulled on sort of my love

00:49:27.132 --> 00:49:28.152
of classic comics.

00:49:28.833 --> 00:49:30.253
I have two of the characters going to

00:49:30.273 --> 00:49:32.215
get coffee and just sort of catching up.

00:49:32.695 --> 00:49:34.476
And then there's an explosion and there's

00:49:34.496 --> 00:49:34.976
a villain,

00:49:35.016 --> 00:49:36.938
the horned skull and his army of robots

00:49:37.097 --> 00:49:38.378
are robbing a bank.

00:49:38.398 --> 00:49:39.699
So they call the other members of the

00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:39.980
team.

00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:42.481
And then we get to see what these

00:49:42.561 --> 00:49:44.163
other members of the team are doing in

00:49:44.182 --> 00:49:45.063
their free time.

00:49:45.164 --> 00:49:47.224
And that's very indicative of who I think

00:49:47.244 --> 00:49:48.405
they are as people.

00:49:49.307 --> 00:49:50.411
And then they get the call,

00:49:50.451 --> 00:49:52.135
they suit up, and they head over there.

00:49:52.797 --> 00:49:53.820
And I just had a lot of fun

00:49:53.842 --> 00:49:54.784
with it because...

00:49:56.905 --> 00:49:59.007
None of them, or, well,

00:49:59.347 --> 00:50:01.007
one of the funniest parts is a couple

00:50:01.027 --> 00:50:02.349
of the characters are in a movie.

00:50:02.809 --> 00:50:03.869
When they get the call, hey,

00:50:03.889 --> 00:50:04.630
there's supervillains,

00:50:04.650 --> 00:50:05.670
we gotta go deal with it.

00:50:06.391 --> 00:50:07.711
And they get yelled at for being on

00:50:07.731 --> 00:50:09.012
their phone in the movie theater.

00:50:09.192 --> 00:50:10.793
And then when they finally, like, dress,

00:50:11.012 --> 00:50:12.514
get into their superhero costumes,

00:50:13.034 --> 00:50:13.835
head out the door,

00:50:14.514 --> 00:50:16.356
and are on their way to the big

00:50:16.396 --> 00:50:16.695
fight,

00:50:16.735 --> 00:50:18.396
they realize it's all the way across the

00:50:18.436 --> 00:50:19.958
city and that none of them can fly.

00:50:20.057 --> 00:50:21.398
So they have to debate whether or not

00:50:21.418 --> 00:50:22.920
to take a taxi, the bus, or Uber.

00:50:22.940 --> 00:50:23.579
Yeah, but Uber...

00:50:23.860 --> 00:50:25.101
Grab an Uber.

00:50:25.161 --> 00:50:26.280
Well, that's my favorite.

00:50:26.820 --> 00:50:28.282
That's one of my favorite jokes in the

00:50:28.322 --> 00:50:28.942
entire comic.

00:50:28.981 --> 00:50:30.061
And this spoils a little bit.

00:50:30.603 --> 00:50:32.782
But it's still like four or five

00:50:32.822 --> 00:50:33.083
characters.

00:50:33.103 --> 00:50:34.403
They pile out the movie and they're like,

00:50:34.483 --> 00:50:35.905
all right, they're at that bank.

00:50:36.045 --> 00:50:37.164
It's halfway across town.

00:50:37.425 --> 00:50:38.146
How are we going to get there?

00:50:38.226 --> 00:50:38.485
Taxi?

00:50:38.585 --> 00:50:40.186
Nobody with super speed.

00:50:40.226 --> 00:50:43.086
Just four dudes.

00:50:43.106 --> 00:50:43.887
They're just four dudes.

00:50:44.248 --> 00:50:46.168
And then one guy's like, do we taxi?

00:50:46.268 --> 00:50:47.048
And the other guy's like,

00:50:47.809 --> 00:50:49.030
I'd rather Uber TVH.

00:50:49.769 --> 00:50:51.371
And I just thought it was the most

00:50:51.891 --> 00:50:53.472
young... Yes.

00:50:55.795 --> 00:50:57.916
That's the epitome of teenagers moving out

00:50:57.936 --> 00:50:59.697
of the house and realizing none of them

00:50:59.717 --> 00:51:00.538
have transportation.

00:51:00.759 --> 00:51:00.938
Yeah.

00:51:02.867 --> 00:51:05.048
So Nathan asked a good question here.

00:51:05.548 --> 00:51:07.610
So do both or do any of you

00:51:07.690 --> 00:51:09.532
have any aspirations to write your own

00:51:09.572 --> 00:51:10.472
original stories?

00:51:11.134 --> 00:51:12.655
And I think you have, Matt.

00:51:12.675 --> 00:51:15.416
Have you not?

00:51:15.436 --> 00:51:17.739
Yes, I do.

00:51:18.380 --> 00:51:21.802
My big thing now is I got tricked

00:51:21.842 --> 00:51:23.103
into having more kids.

00:51:23.824 --> 00:51:27.467
So it's very difficult for me to do

00:51:27.507 --> 00:51:28.047
the whole,

00:51:28.288 --> 00:51:30.750
I'm going to be away for a weekend

00:51:30.789 --> 00:51:32.010
trying to sell my books.

00:51:33.317 --> 00:51:37.300
So my tentative plan was to make my

00:51:37.340 --> 00:51:39.380
name at some different book company,

00:51:39.420 --> 00:51:41.922
like with Grok and with Apogee and maybe

00:51:42.063 --> 00:51:42.483
some others.

00:51:43.123 --> 00:51:45.206
And then this way I would have like

00:51:45.246 --> 00:51:46.326
a track record of, hey,

00:51:46.346 --> 00:51:48.447
this guy writes really cool stuff so that

00:51:48.467 --> 00:51:49.688
when I did my own thing,

00:51:50.009 --> 00:51:53.130
it wouldn't just be random writer number

00:51:53.271 --> 00:51:56.974
eighty three in the alley of Comic-Con on

00:51:57.054 --> 00:51:59.195
a table is just selling this random book

00:51:59.215 --> 00:52:00.677
that nobody knows anything about.

00:52:01.516 --> 00:52:03.318
um but i have in the past written

00:52:03.338 --> 00:52:06.358
a lot of stuff of my own um

00:52:06.378 --> 00:52:08.599
there are plans to do some other things

00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:13.661
um that might happen that i could talk

00:52:13.900 --> 00:52:16.461
i can't really talk about now that are

00:52:17.161 --> 00:52:21.322
in the works um and you know uh

00:52:21.762 --> 00:52:23.824
i i it's kind of funny because because

00:52:24.143 --> 00:52:27.085
bill hates me in that like back in

00:52:27.144 --> 00:52:28.625
twenty twenty four i was like hey at

00:52:28.644 --> 00:52:29.626
the end of twenty twenty four

00:52:30.606 --> 00:52:31.507
I'm done with comics.

00:52:31.666 --> 00:52:32.626
I'm going to go make a movie.

00:52:33.208 --> 00:52:34.407
And I was really close to making a

00:52:34.447 --> 00:52:34.789
movie.

00:52:35.268 --> 00:52:36.730
And unfortunately, it fell apart.

00:52:37.369 --> 00:52:39.851
But fortunately for Grok and Apogee,

00:52:39.871 --> 00:52:41.672
that meant I was stuck in comics still.

00:52:42.132 --> 00:52:46.014
So so I got brought back in.

00:52:46.614 --> 00:52:49.356
And so, yeah, there are there are things.

00:52:49.376 --> 00:52:50.077
I'm very grateful.

00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:53.920
There are things that I have written in

00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:55.661
the past that I'm thinking about

00:52:55.782 --> 00:52:57.083
revitalizing.

00:52:58.764 --> 00:53:00.967
Ray may or may have not read some

00:53:01.007 --> 00:53:02.949
of this already.

00:53:03.789 --> 00:53:05.490
If I ever did my own comic,

00:53:06.452 --> 00:53:07.934
that would probably be the project.

00:53:08.653 --> 00:53:11.115
um sector is the comic that i did

00:53:11.255 --> 00:53:15.099
years ago um honestly if you go to

00:53:15.139 --> 00:53:17.639
www.facebook.com slash pharaoh comics

00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:23.284
f-e-r-o comics both issues are up there um

00:53:23.324 --> 00:53:25.106
it was at the it's kind of weird

00:53:25.445 --> 00:53:29.047
it became so dated so fast from two

00:53:29.088 --> 00:53:29.588
thousand

00:53:32.152 --> 00:53:35.094
of two thousand seventeen eighteen to two

00:53:35.135 --> 00:53:37.938
thousand twenty two the landscape of the

00:53:37.978 --> 00:53:39.599
world changed so much that i don't think

00:53:39.619 --> 00:53:44.585
the book works anymore um but um yeah

00:53:44.824 --> 00:53:46.907
i've thought about it here and there it

00:53:46.927 --> 00:53:47.748
just depends on

00:53:50.851 --> 00:53:52.791
again like it sounds weird but it's like

00:53:52.891 --> 00:53:54.932
i'm not chuck dixon if chuck dixon goes

00:53:54.972 --> 00:53:57.675
on kickstarter he gets funded like that if

00:53:57.735 --> 00:53:59.956
i go on kickstarter i might do two

00:53:59.976 --> 00:54:01.396
hundred bucks because nobody knows who i

00:54:01.476 --> 00:54:03.757
am um dude this is easy i got

00:54:03.777 --> 00:54:04.918
you just let me know

00:54:06.347 --> 00:54:07.407
Fair, but I'm just saying, like,

00:54:07.467 --> 00:54:09.168
I think that has been my kind of

00:54:09.208 --> 00:54:12.269
tentative plan was to get into the

00:54:12.811 --> 00:54:15.010
industry, get a name for myself.

00:54:15.751 --> 00:54:17.672
Then hopefully that name is a good name

00:54:17.713 --> 00:54:19.373
so that when I go, hey,

00:54:19.853 --> 00:54:22.554
this new book called, you know,

00:54:22.954 --> 00:54:26.076
Texas Ranger Superhero Cop comes out,

00:54:26.635 --> 00:54:27.496
people are like, oh,

00:54:27.536 --> 00:54:30.538
that's a guy from Phantom Hawk and Swords

00:54:30.557 --> 00:54:33.079
of the Remnant and Remnant and...

00:54:34.018 --> 00:54:36.159
this thing over here yeah why would we

00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:39.141
not we'll put you in cosplay you know

00:54:39.221 --> 00:54:41.181
cowboy stuff and we'll sell the hell out

00:54:41.221 --> 00:54:42.561
of this book dude if that's what you

00:54:42.581 --> 00:54:47.063
want to do assless chaps all day i

00:54:47.083 --> 00:54:50.043
mean yes but we want people to actually

00:54:50.063 --> 00:54:52.144
you know buy the book um but i

00:54:52.164 --> 00:54:54.425
think that's the thing is it that's for

00:54:54.465 --> 00:54:55.306
me personally

00:54:56.740 --> 00:54:57.460
where I'm kind of at.

00:54:57.820 --> 00:54:59.362
My family is first.

00:55:00.902 --> 00:55:02.242
I got married late in life.

00:55:02.742 --> 00:55:04.503
So the idea of like, hey, honey,

00:55:04.563 --> 00:55:05.204
have fun with the kids.

00:55:05.224 --> 00:55:06.085
I'll be gone for a week.

00:55:06.545 --> 00:55:07.565
That's not me anymore.

00:55:07.744 --> 00:55:08.385
I don't do, well,

00:55:08.746 --> 00:55:09.826
never has been in my marriage.

00:55:10.527 --> 00:55:11.166
It's just not me.

00:55:11.387 --> 00:55:13.847
I'm not, I like writing.

00:55:14.208 --> 00:55:15.248
It's not that important.

00:55:15.608 --> 00:55:16.009
Not yet.

00:55:16.449 --> 00:55:16.909
You know what I mean?

00:55:17.608 --> 00:55:18.769
If Marvel was like, hey,

00:55:18.809 --> 00:55:20.731
we'll give you a million dollars and you

00:55:20.771 --> 00:55:22.030
can write Captain America,

00:55:22.570 --> 00:55:23.472
but you have to come up for a

00:55:23.512 --> 00:55:23.931
weekend.

00:55:24.072 --> 00:55:25.353
I'd be like, hey baby,

00:55:25.393 --> 00:55:26.112
we're going to New York.

00:55:27.885 --> 00:55:29.326
Yeah, no shit.

00:55:29.346 --> 00:55:31.487
There's so many cons around you, though.

00:55:31.907 --> 00:55:33.208
You have a lot of cons that come

00:55:33.248 --> 00:55:34.947
to you there where you're at.

00:55:35.748 --> 00:55:37.289
So within a drive, you know,

00:55:37.550 --> 00:55:38.530
a day's drive.

00:55:39.070 --> 00:55:40.690
And going to San Antonio,

00:55:40.731 --> 00:55:41.550
is it that big of a deal?

00:55:41.570 --> 00:55:42.791
That's where my oldest kid lives.

00:55:42.811 --> 00:55:43.972
Dallas is up the road, too.

00:55:44.293 --> 00:55:44.833
Yeah.

00:55:46.849 --> 00:55:48.951
Dallas has so many cons and everything

00:55:49.070 --> 00:55:49.771
else right now.

00:55:50.012 --> 00:55:51.291
They're huge.

00:55:51.331 --> 00:55:55.153
So I think with apogee We may be

00:55:55.373 --> 00:55:59.635
doing the kind of Palooza Just because

00:55:59.675 --> 00:56:00.916
they they come here as well.

00:56:00.956 --> 00:56:02.317
But but I but all that to say

00:56:02.376 --> 00:56:02.597
yes,

00:56:02.737 --> 00:56:04.958
I do have ideas of my own It's

00:56:04.978 --> 00:56:08.059
just waiting to do them the way I

00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:10.460
personally want to do them to be the

00:56:10.521 --> 00:56:11.402
most creatively

00:56:12.222 --> 00:56:13.922
fulfilled by that situation without

00:56:14.463 --> 00:56:15.802
breaking into my personal life.

00:56:17.844 --> 00:56:18.463
Ray, what you got?

00:56:19.963 --> 00:56:20.945
First off, can you guys hear me?

00:56:20.985 --> 00:56:22.405
I just stuck my headphones in.

00:56:22.445 --> 00:56:22.824
You're good, dude.

00:56:25.005 --> 00:56:25.246
Awesome.

00:56:25.545 --> 00:56:27.447
My headphones are always on the frets.

00:56:28.666 --> 00:56:29.827
Don't fall asleep with them in.

00:56:29.867 --> 00:56:31.527
That will definitely do some damage.

00:56:33.708 --> 00:56:37.130
I definitely have my aspirations to sort

00:56:37.170 --> 00:56:38.849
of write my own original stories,

00:56:38.909 --> 00:56:39.831
but I'm also...

00:56:41.170 --> 00:56:43.592
college and do not have much in the

00:56:43.612 --> 00:56:45.074
way of money so I'm very much just

00:56:45.954 --> 00:56:47.657
working as a freelance writer hoping to

00:56:47.777 --> 00:56:50.179
not only build up my resume but also

00:56:50.318 --> 00:56:53.101
my reputation to hopefully at a certain

00:56:53.121 --> 00:56:55.222
point maybe I could come to a publisher

00:56:55.242 --> 00:56:57.945
of an idea and bait they would take

00:56:57.985 --> 00:56:59.246
me seriously because they've seen my

00:56:59.286 --> 00:57:02.228
previous work but I definitely I have an

00:57:02.268 --> 00:57:04.451
entire I have entire notebooks just filled

00:57:04.471 --> 00:57:07.893
with ideas of crazy stories I'd love to

00:57:07.934 --> 00:57:08.074
do

00:57:10.190 --> 00:57:13.193
I have one crazy comic idea I want

00:57:13.213 --> 00:57:13.474
to do.

00:57:13.835 --> 00:57:15.436
It would be like twelve issues.

00:57:15.536 --> 00:57:17.778
It would be set in New York in

00:57:17.858 --> 00:57:20.021
nineteen seventy seven and it would sort

00:57:20.061 --> 00:57:22.423
of be like a period piece coming of

00:57:22.523 --> 00:57:23.144
age story.

00:57:24.465 --> 00:57:25.567
I've been working on it since I was

00:57:25.586 --> 00:57:26.668
in high school kind of thing.

00:57:26.708 --> 00:57:26.927
It's a

00:57:28.869 --> 00:57:30.469
i've got lots of ideas i'd love to

00:57:30.489 --> 00:57:32.650
do a very stripped down sort of superhero

00:57:32.670 --> 00:57:36.530
story a lot like unbreakable um i'd love

00:57:36.570 --> 00:57:38.471
to do some old school world war ii

00:57:38.510 --> 00:57:40.150
comics sort of in the style of sergeant

00:57:40.190 --> 00:57:43.012
rock i i love finding the old joe

00:57:43.052 --> 00:57:45.492
cubert sergeant rock issues in back issue

00:57:45.512 --> 00:57:47.693
bins and they're just they're so good

00:57:47.713 --> 00:57:50.052
they're mostly just one and done stories

00:57:50.393 --> 00:57:52.253
they're pretty they're action-packed

00:57:52.273 --> 00:57:54.454
they've got heart and there's just nothing

00:57:54.494 --> 00:57:56.875
like them out in comics these days like

00:57:57.235 --> 00:57:57.255
i

00:57:58.514 --> 00:58:00.315
If I could pitch any comic for Grok,

00:58:00.456 --> 00:58:01.795
I would pitch a Man of War comic

00:58:01.835 --> 00:58:03.356
where it's basically just him as Sergeant

00:58:03.416 --> 00:58:03.637
Rock.

00:58:03.677 --> 00:58:04.436
It's one issue,

00:58:04.836 --> 00:58:06.396
World War II flashback kind of thing.

00:58:06.436 --> 00:58:07.378
That would be amazing.

00:58:07.757 --> 00:58:09.318
And I would just beg Matt to help

00:58:09.338 --> 00:58:12.139
me with it.

00:58:12.699 --> 00:58:13.998
You don't need me, buddy.

00:58:14.018 --> 00:58:15.739
You said like you got it down pat,

00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:16.039
man.

00:58:19.141 --> 00:58:21.382
We have this young guy here who's really,

00:58:21.422 --> 00:58:21.782
you know,

00:58:22.161 --> 00:58:24.242
looking back into the older stuff from the

00:58:24.262 --> 00:58:25.262
seventies and eighties,

00:58:25.282 --> 00:58:26.583
which is really dope to see,

00:58:26.922 --> 00:58:28.523
especially as hard as they are to get

00:58:28.764 --> 00:58:30.364
your hands on some of those books,

00:58:30.784 --> 00:58:31.905
especially Sergeant Rock.

00:58:32.644 --> 00:58:34.505
The fact that you're finding any at all

00:58:34.606 --> 00:58:35.965
is like amazing.

00:58:37.061 --> 00:58:41.605
Yeah, well, big credit goes to my dad,

00:58:41.644 --> 00:58:42.246
for starters,

00:58:42.286 --> 00:58:45.327
because Vancouver has this one comic and

00:58:45.347 --> 00:58:48.050
toy show where people just bring their own

00:58:48.090 --> 00:58:51.911
comic collections or shops from Vancouver

00:58:52.052 --> 00:58:55.795
Island or farther away from Vancouver will

00:58:55.815 --> 00:58:56.275
go and visit.

00:58:56.335 --> 00:58:57.916
And my dad would drive me to this

00:58:57.976 --> 00:58:59.498
community center completely out of the

00:58:59.518 --> 00:58:59.657
way,

00:58:59.677 --> 00:59:01.599
and he would just sort of hang around

00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:03.740
for a couple of hours while I went

00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:04.760
through every single...

00:59:06.235 --> 00:59:06.755
Bops.

00:59:06.936 --> 00:59:07.956
Comic book retailer.

00:59:07.996 --> 00:59:08.617
And I had a list.

00:59:08.657 --> 00:59:08.956
I was like,

00:59:09.277 --> 00:59:10.778
do you have any of the Nightman by

00:59:10.798 --> 00:59:11.179
Malibu?

00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:12.659
Do you have any of the Mighty Crusaders?

00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:14.460
Do you have any of Nineteen Sixty-Three by

00:59:14.501 --> 00:59:14.882
Alan Moore?

00:59:14.902 --> 00:59:16.143
Do you have any of Big Bang Comics?

00:59:16.422 --> 00:59:17.423
Do you have any Sergeant Rock?

00:59:17.603 --> 00:59:18.344
Do you have any of this?

00:59:18.443 --> 00:59:19.144
Do you have any of that?

00:59:19.204 --> 00:59:20.045
Do you have any Ninja?

00:59:20.726 --> 00:59:21.387
I had a whole list.

00:59:21.467 --> 00:59:22.887
I feel like I drove them crazy,

00:59:22.927 --> 00:59:24.688
but I did what I had to do.

00:59:25.010 --> 00:59:26.351
It's pretty cool that you mentioned Malibu

00:59:26.371 --> 00:59:28.291
because Malibu is where the first issue of

00:59:28.331 --> 00:59:29.032
Bond went to before...

00:59:31.300 --> 00:59:34.342
immediately got you know yeah when malibu

00:59:34.382 --> 00:59:37.563
was its own publisher and then they got

00:59:37.784 --> 00:59:39.945
bought once they did their own comics

00:59:40.045 --> 00:59:44.246
marvel anyway yeah absolutely it's a it's

00:59:44.288 --> 00:59:46.409
a monkey pass there but it's kind of

00:59:46.429 --> 00:59:48.190
cool that he was he brought up malibu

00:59:48.250 --> 00:59:49.230
i'm just like geez well like that's a

00:59:49.891 --> 00:59:53.112
that's a wild one you're sorry go ahead

00:59:53.132 --> 00:59:54.672
no go ahead no sorry

00:59:59.708 --> 01:00:02.333
uh i'm sorry i'm sorry go ray go

01:00:02.414 --> 01:00:05.780
go um you know that series by malibu

01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.166
the protectors yeah oh yes

01:00:09.704 --> 01:00:12.367
so i was obsessed with it as a

01:00:12.427 --> 01:00:15.188
kid it took me forever i found issues

01:00:15.228 --> 01:00:17.650
like the first issue i ever found was

01:00:17.710 --> 01:00:19.233
issue five and that's the one where

01:00:19.353 --> 01:00:21.094
nightmass gets killed and there's a bullet

01:00:21.134 --> 01:00:23.795
hole that's through the entire issue i'm

01:00:24.115 --> 01:00:25.297
not sure if you guys are familiar they

01:00:25.317 --> 01:00:27.079
did like the character gets shot through

01:00:27.099 --> 01:00:28.539
the chest they cut a hole through all

01:00:28.579 --> 01:00:31.302
of the comics it was crazy very i

01:00:31.342 --> 01:00:33.003
questioned that at the comic shop i was

01:00:33.023 --> 01:00:33.983
like why in the hell is there a

01:00:34.023 --> 01:00:34.844
hole in this book

01:00:37.972 --> 01:00:39.014
It's definitely a strange one.

01:00:39.074 --> 01:00:40.358
I definitely put a pencil through it and

01:00:40.378 --> 01:00:41.862
then spun it around a bunch because I

01:00:41.882 --> 01:00:42.644
thought that was funny.

01:00:43.146 --> 01:00:45.552
Of course.

01:00:45.572 --> 01:00:46.014
You have to.

01:00:47.335 --> 01:00:49.215
But all of those characters were

01:00:49.576 --> 01:00:51.077
redesigned versions of public domain

01:00:51.117 --> 01:00:51.597
characters.

01:00:51.697 --> 01:00:52.777
And that was sort of the first time

01:00:52.858 --> 01:00:54.079
I ever saw that you could do that.

01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:55.900
So I was really interested in like,

01:00:56.579 --> 01:00:58.021
one of the first comics I ever drew

01:00:58.061 --> 01:00:58.360
at like,

01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:00.621
eleven years old was a Man of War

01:01:01.141 --> 01:01:03.364
comic where he teams up with the ferret.

01:01:04.003 --> 01:01:05.764
And it's just so surreal to me now

01:01:05.804 --> 01:01:08.686
that I actually have written Man of War

01:01:09.467 --> 01:01:10.306
for Grok,

01:01:10.847 --> 01:01:12.387
like this character that I only thought I

01:01:12.427 --> 01:01:13.349
was ever going to read about.

01:01:15.579 --> 01:01:16.860
It's really neat.

01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:17.161
Let's see.

01:01:17.201 --> 01:01:18.862
What are your creative processes for

01:01:18.902 --> 01:01:19.282
writing?

01:01:20.061 --> 01:01:21.663
You go first this time, Nathan.

01:01:21.882 --> 01:01:23.224
I mean, Ray, good night.

01:01:23.704 --> 01:01:24.063
Sorry,

01:01:24.103 --> 01:01:25.985
I've been sober for at least three days.

01:01:26.264 --> 01:01:27.126
It's freaking me out.

01:01:29.007 --> 01:01:32.929
Well, of course,

01:01:32.969 --> 01:01:34.389
it always depends sort of like what the

01:01:34.429 --> 01:01:36.231
project is, what my process is for it.

01:01:36.371 --> 01:01:38.572
Like if it's a collaborative process,

01:01:38.592 --> 01:01:39.911
I'll want to call the person I'm working

01:01:39.931 --> 01:01:41.333
with, bounce ideas off of them.

01:01:41.893 --> 01:01:42.853
But if it's just me,

01:01:43.034 --> 01:01:44.494
what I usually do is...

01:01:46.211 --> 01:01:51.414
And this is like really OCD and anal

01:01:51.474 --> 01:01:51.753
of me,

01:01:51.833 --> 01:01:54.574
but I am a big fan of Robert

01:01:54.594 --> 01:01:55.056
Kirkman.

01:01:55.735 --> 01:01:57.677
And in the back matter of one of

01:01:57.717 --> 01:01:58.217
his comics,

01:01:58.237 --> 01:02:00.157
he talked about his writing process and I

01:02:00.177 --> 01:02:01.378
definitely borrowed a lot from it.

01:02:01.878 --> 01:02:03.338
I usually try to like,

01:02:04.474 --> 01:02:05.534
write out a summary of what's going to

01:02:05.554 --> 01:02:06.795
happen in the issue by hand.

01:02:07.135 --> 01:02:07.715
If I have time,

01:02:07.775 --> 01:02:09.195
I try to do it by hand first.

01:02:10.016 --> 01:02:11.197
Write out a summary by hand,

01:02:11.617 --> 01:02:13.097
and then I'll type it up into an

01:02:13.217 --> 01:02:13.757
actual summary.

01:02:13.797 --> 01:02:15.199
Then I usually send that to the publisher.

01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:16.019
And if they like it,

01:02:16.179 --> 01:02:16.900
then I go forward.

01:02:17.500 --> 01:02:19.400
And then I'll break down the entire issue

01:02:19.641 --> 01:02:21.121
page by page in my notebook.

01:02:21.161 --> 01:02:22.422
Like page one, this happens,

01:02:22.443 --> 01:02:22.983
they say this.

01:02:23.023 --> 01:02:24.824
Page two, this happens, they say this.

01:02:24.864 --> 01:02:27.125
Page three, this happens, they say this.

01:02:27.204 --> 01:02:28.644
And then I'll do like a draft on

01:02:28.664 --> 01:02:29.326
my computer.

01:02:29.606 --> 01:02:31.027
And then I usually send it to Matt.

01:02:31.086 --> 01:02:32.186
He tells me what's wrong with it.

01:02:32.206 --> 01:02:33.467
Then I do another draft.

01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:37.643
and uh eventually it turns out pretty good

01:02:38.623 --> 01:02:40.625
so here's what here's what's wild if you

01:02:40.644 --> 01:02:43.807
go back and uh watch the episode with

01:02:43.867 --> 01:02:46.869
michael williams he talks about the

01:02:46.929 --> 01:02:49.072
writing process and the creative writing

01:02:49.112 --> 01:02:52.335
process that he uses it was very

01:02:52.414 --> 01:02:55.657
educational like i know like i went back

01:02:55.697 --> 01:02:57.318
and re-watched that episode and took a

01:02:57.478 --> 01:03:00.742
whole notebook full of notes like it was

01:03:01.061 --> 01:03:01.563
that good

01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:04.001
Like I said, that whole episode,

01:03:04.481 --> 01:03:07.123
I think we went almost two hours,

01:03:07.704 --> 01:03:09.226
and it's like a master class.

01:03:09.246 --> 01:03:10.327
Oh, yeah.

01:03:10.586 --> 01:03:11.507
Yeah, he knows his stuff.

01:03:12.469 --> 01:03:13.949
So for me,

01:03:14.510 --> 01:03:15.992
a little bit like what Ray is saying.

01:03:16.032 --> 01:03:17.132
It depends on the project.

01:03:18.614 --> 01:03:19.815
But what I usually do,

01:03:20.596 --> 01:03:22.838
I switch slowly to digital.

01:03:22.878 --> 01:03:24.159
I used to always do this by hand.

01:03:24.179 --> 01:03:25.679
I have legal notebooks everywhere.

01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:28.481
I would literally write down the name of

01:03:28.541 --> 01:03:29.182
every character.

01:03:30.563 --> 01:03:33.405
and then what i would do is the

01:03:33.485 --> 01:03:35.286
next page would be what does each

01:03:35.327 --> 01:03:37.407
character feel about the other one like

01:03:37.927 --> 01:03:39.829
what's your what is joe's relationship

01:03:39.849 --> 01:03:42.311
with with brad what does brad think of

01:03:42.351 --> 01:03:45.193
joe what is brad and just have this

01:03:45.773 --> 01:03:49.394
this web of like how everybody interacts

01:03:49.454 --> 01:03:51.856
and figure out like what is joe a

01:03:51.896 --> 01:03:53.978
first kid a third kid a middle kid

01:03:54.518 --> 01:03:56.099
is he tall is he short what's his

01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:58.420
ethnicity and what i for me personally

01:03:58.440 --> 01:03:59.181
what happens is is

01:03:59.960 --> 01:04:03.364
Once you create all those relationships,

01:04:03.905 --> 01:04:05.045
all you have to do is grab these

01:04:05.086 --> 01:04:06.987
people and go, okay,

01:04:07.548 --> 01:04:09.070
now that I know everything I need to

01:04:09.090 --> 01:04:09.771
know about them,

01:04:10.652 --> 01:04:14.496
put them on a plane going on a

01:04:14.556 --> 01:04:19.081
mission to fight a—insert bad guy,

01:04:19.101 --> 01:04:19.440
whatever—

01:04:20.382 --> 01:04:22.603
and it just writes itself that's a really

01:04:22.623 --> 01:04:24.445
good segue matt i like when you do

01:04:24.485 --> 01:04:28.367
this so issue one puts the team into

01:04:28.387 --> 01:04:31.027
their first official mission against the

01:04:31.088 --> 01:04:34.269
villain pissed why was it important for

01:04:34.289 --> 01:04:36.331
their debut mission to feel personal

01:04:36.952 --> 01:04:40.373
rather than world ended because bill said

01:04:42.338 --> 01:04:43.800
That's the best answer ever, dude.

01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:44.221
Perfect.

01:04:45.021 --> 01:04:46.742
No, no, no.

01:04:46.762 --> 01:04:47.143
Wrap it up.

01:04:47.163 --> 01:04:47.762
Let's go home.

01:04:50.726 --> 01:04:53.728
In seriousness, just – sorry.

01:04:53.987 --> 01:04:54.889
I'm not going to be able to top

01:04:54.929 --> 01:04:55.590
Matt's joke,

01:04:55.650 --> 01:05:00.453
so I'm just going to give the –

01:04:58.972 --> 01:05:00.152
give what I think the answer is.

01:05:02.014 --> 01:05:02.695
This is your show.

01:05:02.715 --> 01:05:03.596
That was your answer.

01:05:05.456 --> 01:05:06.097
I have to say –

01:05:08.432 --> 01:05:10.313
I've had these characters rambling around

01:05:10.353 --> 01:05:13.494
in my head since probably twenty twenty

01:05:13.534 --> 01:05:14.394
three at this point.

01:05:15.275 --> 01:05:17.936
Like I've written out entire conversations

01:05:17.976 --> 01:05:19.936
between them that may never see like print

01:05:19.996 --> 01:05:20.637
kind of thing.

01:05:20.657 --> 01:05:23.398
Just I have like a whole notes app

01:05:23.458 --> 01:05:25.257
open on my phone where it's like funny

01:05:25.297 --> 01:05:26.798
dialogue for these characters to say to

01:05:26.818 --> 01:05:29.679
each other, like great little exchanges,

01:05:30.619 --> 01:05:32.300
future ideas for stories.

01:05:32.340 --> 01:05:34.581
Like I I've been working on these

01:05:34.621 --> 01:05:36.001
characters for a long time now.

01:05:37.666 --> 01:05:39.086
And the first issue,

01:05:40.106 --> 01:05:41.527
I really wanted to hone in on those

01:05:41.567 --> 01:05:43.648
character dynamics and make them funny and

01:05:43.847 --> 01:05:46.248
entertaining and engaging because there's

01:05:46.268 --> 01:05:47.648
so many comics where you can,

01:05:48.730 --> 01:05:51.170
where a bunch of superheroes can punch a

01:05:51.210 --> 01:05:53.471
monster that's going to eat the city or

01:05:54.271 --> 01:05:55.072
somebody, somebody,

01:05:55.112 --> 01:05:56.932
somebody comes down from outer space.

01:05:56.992 --> 01:06:00.454
Your world is marked for destruction or

01:06:01.393 --> 01:06:02.914
something terrible is going on.

01:06:04.135 --> 01:06:05.155
And for this one,

01:06:05.195 --> 01:06:07.956
we kind of just really, for lack of,

01:06:08.637 --> 01:06:10.898
oh God, what's the word, Matt, where it's,

01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:15.001
it's the reverse of like widened the

01:06:15.041 --> 01:06:15.340
scope.

01:06:15.621 --> 01:06:16.641
You're the film guy, not me.

01:06:16.661 --> 01:06:18.902
Tone it, narrow it down.

01:06:19.083 --> 01:06:19.684
Yes, thank you.

01:06:20.304 --> 01:06:22.224
We narrowed the scope a little bit just

01:06:22.284 --> 01:06:25.246
to focus on these characters at their HQ

01:06:25.286 --> 01:06:27.288
when they're suddenly attacked by the

01:06:27.327 --> 01:06:27.788
pest.

01:06:28.628 --> 01:06:31.510
And the pest is just such a-

01:06:33.010 --> 01:06:36.032
oh it's amazing and the pest was a

01:06:36.072 --> 01:06:39.235
great villain because it's so weird and

01:06:39.436 --> 01:06:42.358
offbeat and impossible to predict that we

01:06:42.398 --> 01:06:44.820
really get to see these characters

01:06:44.860 --> 01:06:46.800
personalities shine through because

01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:51.704
they're so on the back foot yeah it's

01:06:51.744 --> 01:06:53.184
a good segue by the way and so

01:06:54.346 --> 01:06:57.208
what does this first mission reveal about

01:06:57.248 --> 01:06:59.630
the strengths and weaknesses of the team

01:07:03.570 --> 01:07:05.211
Man, I mean, Matt,

01:07:05.271 --> 01:07:06.492
it might be a while since you've read

01:07:06.532 --> 01:07:10.117
the script, so I can handle this one.

01:07:10.137 --> 01:07:10.257
Dude,

01:07:10.297 --> 01:07:11.338
you should be answering all these

01:07:11.358 --> 01:07:13.179
questions.

01:07:15.722 --> 01:07:16.463
The big thing is,

01:07:17.384 --> 01:07:20.266
and Ray and I did discuss these characters

01:07:20.306 --> 01:07:22.829
a lot before he started writing, is like,

01:07:23.630 --> 01:07:23.871
we...

01:07:26.809 --> 01:07:27.869
For me personally, again,

01:07:28.068 --> 01:07:29.429
it goes back to the skin script.

01:07:30.449 --> 01:07:32.369
Is this script a new mutant script that

01:07:32.389 --> 01:07:33.610
we just change all the names to?

01:07:34.751 --> 01:07:36.710
Or is this script a power pack script

01:07:36.751 --> 01:07:37.652
that we were like, well,

01:07:37.692 --> 01:07:38.992
just change this stuff?

01:07:39.411 --> 01:07:39.612
No.

01:07:39.731 --> 01:07:40.311
So it was like,

01:07:42.213 --> 01:07:44.672
we know already because he had written a

01:07:44.733 --> 01:07:46.514
previous story that there's these two

01:07:46.534 --> 01:07:47.554
characters that have a thing.

01:07:48.494 --> 01:07:50.875
So there's a way to explore that thing

01:07:50.894 --> 01:07:52.956
without you can explore a relationship

01:07:52.976 --> 01:07:54.157
without it being about kissing and make it

01:07:54.177 --> 01:07:54.257
out.

01:07:54.277 --> 01:07:57.697
And I think that's where that kind of

01:07:57.737 --> 01:08:00.039
thing happens in this story,

01:08:00.179 --> 01:08:02.079
even in the battle, even in the prep,

01:08:02.179 --> 01:08:03.141
even in the aftermath.

01:08:03.740 --> 01:08:06.842
You can weave how these people interact

01:08:06.862 --> 01:08:08.724
and what they think about each other in

01:08:08.764 --> 01:08:09.423
the dialogue.

01:08:09.945 --> 01:08:11.065
And I think Ray did a really good

01:08:11.085 --> 01:08:12.445
job doing that here.

01:08:13.166 --> 01:08:15.568
And I think that's what really showcases.

01:08:15.608 --> 01:08:16.488
Because, look,

01:08:16.828 --> 01:08:18.590
as cool as the battle is between Last

01:08:18.609 --> 01:08:21.971
Gen and Pest, that may not happen, again,

01:08:21.992 --> 01:08:23.693
for another ten or fifteen issues.

01:08:24.052 --> 01:08:25.333
So you have to sell the people and

01:08:25.354 --> 01:08:25.993
the characters.

01:08:26.274 --> 01:08:27.574
If they don't care about the characters,

01:08:27.595 --> 01:08:28.676
they're just here for the action,

01:08:29.595 --> 01:08:31.657
they may not want to come back for

01:08:31.877 --> 01:08:32.497
a second issue.

01:08:33.018 --> 01:08:34.118
like ah well i don't know if they'll

01:08:34.139 --> 01:08:36.460
fight past so i think that's that's what

01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:38.121
he did a really good job of in

01:08:38.161 --> 01:08:42.262
this issue well matt as always is too

01:08:42.302 --> 01:08:45.345
kind to me but really i just want

01:08:45.385 --> 01:08:47.926
to sell people on the characters because i

01:08:47.966 --> 01:08:49.506
like them and i want everybody else to

01:08:49.546 --> 01:08:50.688
like them and i hope i've done a

01:08:50.707 --> 01:08:51.809
good job of making them

01:08:52.704 --> 01:08:54.447
entertaining and engaging and you draw

01:08:54.466 --> 01:08:55.948
you're drawn into them because you want to

01:08:55.967 --> 01:08:59.631
know more about them but uh sorry what

01:08:59.650 --> 01:09:01.672
was the question was what shortcomings do

01:09:01.693 --> 01:09:03.215
they have or like how do they learn

01:09:03.255 --> 01:09:05.896
how the first mission reveal about the

01:09:05.957 --> 01:09:09.680
strengths and weaknesses of the team oh

01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:09.921
the

01:09:11.396 --> 01:09:11.896
Well,

01:09:11.936 --> 01:09:12.917
first I'm going to go with the joke.

01:09:13.318 --> 01:09:15.158
The one big weakness that gets revealed is

01:09:15.198 --> 01:09:17.899
Calvary needs wings or a parachute or

01:09:17.958 --> 01:09:18.338
something.

01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:20.140
Because he almost falls to his death twice

01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:21.740
in the same story.

01:09:23.701 --> 01:09:24.322
Because, of course,

01:09:24.521 --> 01:09:25.822
his whole thing is if somebody with

01:09:25.841 --> 01:09:26.943
superpowers attacks him,

01:09:26.983 --> 01:09:30.423
his body just naturally summons a counter

01:09:30.444 --> 01:09:30.743
to that.

01:09:30.764 --> 01:09:31.984
So if you attack him with fire,

01:09:32.003 --> 01:09:33.024
he'll be able to create ice.

01:09:33.085 --> 01:09:33.305
If you...

01:09:34.921 --> 01:09:36.144
attack him with ice he'll be able to

01:09:36.163 --> 01:09:37.905
create fire if you shoot lightning at him

01:09:38.086 --> 01:09:40.210
a shield will appear but if you drop

01:09:40.229 --> 01:09:43.413
him off a building he just falls so

01:09:43.734 --> 01:09:46.238
I'm one of the plot lines I'm sort

01:09:46.278 --> 01:09:49.221
of brainstorming the worst thing ever yeah

01:09:51.689 --> 01:09:54.131
yeah uh well there's gonna be a part

01:09:54.411 --> 01:09:57.771
in the calvary backup feature that is

01:09:57.811 --> 01:10:00.594
going to be in issue one where he's

01:10:00.634 --> 01:10:02.033
attacked by a bunch of guys with guns

01:10:02.073 --> 01:10:03.274
so he has to just get by on

01:10:03.314 --> 01:10:06.895
his fists and sort of his fighting ability

01:10:06.935 --> 01:10:09.136
because he can't sort of just summon

01:10:09.176 --> 01:10:10.677
lightning from his hands like the others

01:10:11.137 --> 01:10:12.917
he's incredibly powerful because he can go

01:10:12.957 --> 01:10:16.539
to toe to toe with any power set

01:10:17.966 --> 01:10:19.368
But he also has vulnerabilities.

01:10:19.588 --> 01:10:21.270
And something I'm thinking about digging

01:10:21.310 --> 01:10:25.094
into for the next issue is how does

01:10:25.295 --> 01:10:27.457
he prepare for fighting people who don't

01:10:27.497 --> 01:10:28.278
have powers?

01:10:29.037 --> 01:10:30.500
Or how does he prepare for the fact

01:10:30.539 --> 01:10:32.782
that he doesn't really have powers unless

01:10:32.801 --> 01:10:33.403
he's fighting?

01:10:33.422 --> 01:10:35.284
Yeah.

01:10:35.385 --> 01:10:37.186
And my solution to that is to give

01:10:37.207 --> 01:10:38.188
him a suit of power armor.

01:10:38.688 --> 01:10:39.048
I'm kidding.

01:10:42.912 --> 01:10:45.774
like you've got us invested so i'm like

01:10:45.835 --> 01:10:46.976
if he gets a suit of power like

01:10:47.136 --> 01:10:49.899
fuck yeah let's go honestly but really i

01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:52.322
was gonna like get have a whole bit

01:10:52.341 --> 01:10:55.966
where he like he goes to the one

01:10:55.985 --> 01:10:57.646
of the other unpowered characters who's

01:10:57.766 --> 01:10:59.408
anarchy prime who gets by on sort of

01:10:59.448 --> 01:11:01.411
gadgets and detective work and they sort

01:11:01.430 --> 01:11:02.792
of work together to see if they can

01:11:02.832 --> 01:11:03.012
like

01:11:04.220 --> 01:11:06.100
build gadgets for him or maybe they'll go

01:11:06.141 --> 01:11:07.421
to tech nine because he's sort of the

01:11:07.462 --> 01:11:09.502
tech expert of last gen and the remnant

01:11:09.561 --> 01:11:11.802
but i don't know how open the remnant

01:11:11.863 --> 01:11:13.682
is to sharing all their tech and stuff

01:11:13.703 --> 01:11:15.444
with last gen because last gen struck out

01:11:15.463 --> 01:11:17.804
on their own uh something to be ironed

01:11:17.844 --> 01:11:19.225
out a little bit later but i heard

01:11:19.284 --> 01:11:22.225
if you slip matt a twenty spot he'll

01:11:22.265 --> 01:11:23.506
make that stuff happen for you

01:11:25.587 --> 01:11:25.766
Heck yeah.

01:11:25.867 --> 01:11:27.047
It's got to be a Benjamin and Wayne

01:11:27.068 --> 01:11:27.228
talking.

01:11:27.287 --> 01:11:27.467
All right.

01:11:27.528 --> 01:11:30.390
See what I can do.

01:11:30.951 --> 01:11:32.631
All right.

01:11:32.671 --> 01:11:33.573
What is Nathan asking?

01:11:33.613 --> 01:11:34.833
How long does that process?

01:11:34.854 --> 01:11:36.314
I think he's referring to your writing

01:11:36.354 --> 01:11:36.956
process.

01:11:38.577 --> 01:11:39.096
For me,

01:11:39.277 --> 01:11:42.038
it's usually a solid day or two of

01:11:42.139 --> 01:11:45.162
sitting down and really kind of planning

01:11:45.202 --> 01:11:45.702
that out.

01:11:46.943 --> 01:11:48.224
And it also depends on the roster.

01:11:48.243 --> 01:11:49.085
It depends on the thing.

01:11:49.685 --> 01:11:51.126
but i i will also get to a

01:11:51.206 --> 01:11:53.707
point where i'm like yeah i've done enough

01:11:53.787 --> 01:11:56.349
let's just go because i'm i'm really

01:11:56.509 --> 01:11:59.850
really bad and and anybody who's worked

01:11:59.871 --> 01:12:01.872
with me would probably say is i will

01:12:01.912 --> 01:12:03.974
say like this is synopsis of issue one

01:12:04.054 --> 01:12:06.055
two three and four and then i'll be

01:12:06.074 --> 01:12:08.315
there's a plot of issue one and of

01:12:08.355 --> 01:12:10.537
the ten points i probably hit five

01:12:11.297 --> 01:12:12.738
And because I've made five more,

01:12:12.877 --> 01:12:16.639
I really am not bad about the plan.

01:12:16.679 --> 01:12:17.960
But if I say, hey,

01:12:18.340 --> 01:12:20.399
the story of this issue is that Silent

01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:22.980
and Knight get in a motorcycle and a

01:12:23.041 --> 01:12:23.400
car.

01:12:23.801 --> 01:12:25.381
They go after this thing on the highway.

01:12:25.421 --> 01:12:26.261
There's a big battle.

01:12:26.582 --> 01:12:27.421
They win at the end.

01:12:28.561 --> 01:12:29.421
That's my plot.

01:12:30.323 --> 01:12:32.603
I'm not going to hone in on every

01:12:32.643 --> 01:12:34.002
page, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:12:34.884 --> 01:12:36.064
Even with Ray,

01:12:36.484 --> 01:12:38.363
some of the stuff I've tossed at him

01:12:38.984 --> 01:12:39.604
is like, hey...

01:12:40.984 --> 01:12:44.148
you know, this one character, his,

01:12:44.347 --> 01:12:45.748
his protege has got captured.

01:12:45.948 --> 01:12:47.310
He has to go fight this guy at

01:12:47.329 --> 01:12:47.569
the end.

01:12:47.630 --> 01:12:48.211
This happens.

01:12:49.112 --> 01:12:51.474
Make sure these things are discussed.

01:12:52.253 --> 01:12:52.715
That's it.

01:12:52.774 --> 01:12:55.817
Like sometimes having that openness is

01:12:55.856 --> 01:12:57.037
where the creativity comes from.

01:12:57.078 --> 01:12:58.878
And sometimes you do the creativity.

01:12:58.918 --> 01:12:59.100
I mean,

01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:00.440
I've also done stuff where I'm like,

01:13:00.820 --> 01:13:02.622
I'll get twelve issue pages in and go,

01:13:02.662 --> 01:13:03.643
you know what?

01:13:03.662 --> 01:13:06.364
This is wrong and deleted it, you know,

01:13:06.565 --> 01:13:08.806
and and you have to be able to

01:13:08.846 --> 01:13:09.167
do that.

01:13:09.627 --> 01:13:10.788
Because sometimes you're like, nope,

01:13:11.048 --> 01:13:11.649
this was wrong.

01:13:11.689 --> 01:13:14.652
And there was one thing we were working

01:13:14.731 --> 01:13:15.693
on where I think there was...

01:13:16.354 --> 01:13:20.037
I rewrote issue two of The Secret Project

01:13:20.056 --> 01:13:20.556
for Apogee.

01:13:20.596 --> 01:13:21.037
You remember?

01:13:21.837 --> 01:13:22.998
And I go like, hey, I'll read this.

01:13:23.140 --> 01:13:23.960
And then I would, like,

01:13:23.979 --> 01:13:25.442
the next day go, hey,

01:13:25.462 --> 01:13:26.221
don't worry about that.

01:13:26.341 --> 01:13:27.063
I deleted it all.

01:13:27.262 --> 01:13:27.963
I'm going to rewrite it.

01:13:27.984 --> 01:13:29.305
And he was like, what?

01:13:29.625 --> 01:13:30.225
But it was good.

01:13:30.246 --> 01:13:31.367
I'm like, no, it was wrong.

01:13:32.386 --> 01:13:33.609
But it was so good.

01:13:33.708 --> 01:13:35.189
And I just...

01:13:37.095 --> 01:13:37.296
God,

01:13:37.336 --> 01:13:39.337
was my note just add more Inglorious

01:13:39.358 --> 01:13:40.219
Bastards to it?

01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:41.600
Because I feel like I should have given

01:13:41.621 --> 01:13:42.582
you a better note.

01:13:43.622 --> 01:13:47.346
But yeah, I think that as a writer,

01:13:47.386 --> 01:13:47.726
you do.

01:13:48.408 --> 01:13:49.748
I sometimes get into the feel.

01:13:49.769 --> 01:13:50.609
What does it feel like?

01:13:51.149 --> 01:13:53.972
And sometimes, I will commend Bill,

01:13:54.134 --> 01:13:55.354
I wrote a Manowar story

01:13:57.225 --> 01:14:01.886
and like two months later i went back

01:14:01.907 --> 01:14:02.867
to him and said i think this is

01:14:02.926 --> 01:14:05.528
wrong i want to change it to this

01:14:06.127 --> 01:14:07.929
and it actually put man o war in

01:14:07.988 --> 01:14:12.350
a kind of a bad light but it

01:14:12.390 --> 01:14:15.112
was a good um arc for the character

01:14:16.311 --> 01:14:18.613
and bill was like yeah go ahead write

01:14:18.632 --> 01:14:20.793
it and let me see and even though

01:14:21.554 --> 01:14:23.435
ultimately the the story was the same

01:14:24.675 --> 01:14:28.436
it did give that character much more depth

01:14:28.556 --> 01:14:32.439
and much more um much more of a

01:14:32.519 --> 01:14:35.500
tragedy to overcome instead of like my

01:14:35.539 --> 01:14:38.280
brother was a was was a prick so

01:14:38.780 --> 01:14:41.601
i i think that's that's uh that that's

01:14:41.641 --> 01:14:43.103
how i hope that answers the process

01:14:43.143 --> 01:14:44.444
question i think i answered it too much

01:14:44.484 --> 01:14:47.465
no no so and then alex wants to

01:14:47.505 --> 01:14:49.166
know which character was the most fun to

01:14:49.185 --> 01:14:49.725
write for y'all

01:14:53.886 --> 01:14:55.947
it's close because calvary was the first

01:14:56.027 --> 01:14:59.247
character i ever wrote for grok uh so

01:14:59.287 --> 01:15:00.967
i've got a special he's got a special

01:15:00.988 --> 01:15:03.769
place in my heart because he's very much

01:15:03.828 --> 01:15:06.210
like a little clueless a little aloof he's

01:15:06.270 --> 01:15:09.371
just doing his best he almost gets killed

01:15:09.411 --> 01:15:11.131
at least once just because he's distracted

01:15:11.171 --> 01:15:13.591
by a pretty girl he's he's doing his

01:15:13.612 --> 01:15:13.952
best

01:15:16.675 --> 01:15:17.895
But if I had to pick number one,

01:15:17.994 --> 01:15:18.676
it's Hangten.

01:15:18.855 --> 01:15:20.395
Hangten is my favorite character to write

01:15:20.435 --> 01:15:21.155
on Last Gen.

01:15:21.775 --> 01:15:25.396
Because he's a surfer superhero.

01:15:27.957 --> 01:15:30.997
And so I gave him the California surfer

01:15:31.037 --> 01:15:32.198
dude personality.

01:15:32.238 --> 01:15:33.957
Very Jeff Spicoli.

01:15:34.018 --> 01:15:37.458
Whoa, dude!

01:15:38.338 --> 01:15:40.279
And it's just so funny for me.

01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:41.958
I have such a fun time with it.

01:15:42.078 --> 01:15:43.840
And I don't do it to excess.

01:15:43.899 --> 01:15:44.560
I don't make it...

01:15:45.484 --> 01:15:48.685
yeah like a stereotype and like it has

01:15:48.725 --> 01:15:51.587
bearing on the plot but he's fun to

01:15:51.627 --> 01:15:53.528
write because he's such good comedic

01:15:53.547 --> 01:15:57.670
relief i like it dude so let's hit

01:15:57.689 --> 01:15:59.831
the art real quick in the book how

01:15:59.871 --> 01:16:02.573
closely did you get to work with the

01:16:02.592 --> 01:16:05.333
uh the artist on this book while you

01:16:05.354 --> 01:16:06.354
were developing this

01:16:09.728 --> 01:16:11.948
I worked pretty closely with Geraldo,

01:16:11.988 --> 01:16:14.189
who drew the main story for this,

01:16:15.069 --> 01:16:17.729
where I sent in the script and he

01:16:17.750 --> 01:16:20.371
would send layouts and we would sort of

01:16:20.411 --> 01:16:22.110
give him some feedback or some notes.

01:16:22.452 --> 01:16:23.891
And then he would do the pencils and

01:16:23.931 --> 01:16:24.931
we would let him know what we thought.

01:16:24.971 --> 01:16:25.851
And then he would do the inks.

01:16:25.912 --> 01:16:28.073
He was incredible to work with.

01:16:28.132 --> 01:16:30.313
I know he's one of Matt's favorite artists

01:16:30.332 --> 01:16:30.793
to work with.

01:16:30.934 --> 01:16:32.354
I can't say enough good things about him.

01:16:33.635 --> 01:16:35.595
Yeah, Geraldo is...

01:16:37.016 --> 01:16:38.717
It's interesting for me because I think

01:16:38.898 --> 01:16:40.479
when I first started working with him,

01:16:41.118 --> 01:16:42.579
he was a little green.

01:16:45.301 --> 01:16:48.042
But he is probably one of the...

01:16:48.762 --> 01:16:50.844
not only one of the better artists that

01:16:50.863 --> 01:16:53.003
i've worked with over the the several last

01:16:53.024 --> 01:16:55.465
several years but also one of the best

01:16:55.564 --> 01:16:58.046
collaborators and i think sometimes that

01:16:58.086 --> 01:17:00.506
gets lost in these journeymen artists

01:17:00.926 --> 01:17:02.186
where they're just trying to like hey i

01:17:02.207 --> 01:17:03.327
gotta get this project done so i'll go

01:17:03.347 --> 01:17:06.188
to the next one um so i think

01:17:06.969 --> 01:17:08.088
yeah he's been a lot of fun to

01:17:08.128 --> 01:17:10.449
work with and he does do some incredible

01:17:10.489 --> 01:17:11.090
pencils and

01:17:13.051 --> 01:17:14.353
He's the one who did Black Cobra number

01:17:14.372 --> 01:17:16.456
two.

01:17:17.716 --> 01:17:18.978
I can't wait for you guys to see

01:17:18.997 --> 01:17:19.219
that.

01:17:19.458 --> 01:17:21.881
He did some incredible work in that book.

01:17:21.942 --> 01:17:22.762
No, I really...

01:17:23.965 --> 01:17:25.405
know it's funny i know we're here to

01:17:25.445 --> 01:17:27.068
promote this but i'm just really so

01:17:27.108 --> 01:17:29.109
excited for people to actually be able to

01:17:29.170 --> 01:17:31.853
read last gen because i had so much

01:17:32.113 --> 01:17:34.154
fun writing it like i was rereading the

01:17:34.194 --> 01:17:36.457
scripts to prep for this last night and

01:17:36.497 --> 01:17:38.338
i'm just chuckling at my own jokes which

01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:40.820
is so corny but like i do it

01:17:41.462 --> 01:17:43.302
dude you're gonna laugh at your own jokes

01:17:43.342 --> 01:17:45.505
and nobody's gonna laugh at you or laugh

01:17:45.545 --> 01:17:45.845
with you

01:17:49.466 --> 01:17:50.987
Do you care if I tell a couple

01:17:51.027 --> 01:17:51.908
of the jokes from the comic?

01:17:51.927 --> 01:17:53.889
Because I have so much fun with...

01:17:55.010 --> 01:17:57.171
I don't want you to spoil anything, okay?

01:17:57.470 --> 01:17:58.391
If you don't want to spoil it,

01:17:58.412 --> 01:17:59.192
I wouldn't say it.

01:17:59.212 --> 01:18:01.753
But if you're willing to let them go,

01:18:01.814 --> 01:18:03.454
then let them go.

01:18:03.555 --> 01:18:04.916
Okay, first off.

01:18:06.317 --> 01:18:08.238
I had to come up with the secret

01:18:08.278 --> 01:18:09.319
identity of Hang Ten.

01:18:09.559 --> 01:18:10.640
And I named him Bodhi.

01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:12.621
And if you know, you know...

01:18:14.537 --> 01:18:15.297
Good, good, good.

01:18:15.757 --> 01:18:19.443
Because I love that movie so much.

01:18:20.123 --> 01:18:21.545
Wait, we're talking about Baywatch, right?

01:18:22.686 --> 01:18:23.467
Yes.

01:18:24.788 --> 01:18:25.310
Point Break.

01:18:25.970 --> 01:18:26.171
Okay.

01:18:27.028 --> 01:18:28.288
All right,

01:18:28.309 --> 01:18:31.069
so it was nice being on this show.

01:18:31.090 --> 01:18:32.091
It's a nice being on this show.

01:18:32.150 --> 01:18:33.230
You guys have a great time.

01:18:33.251 --> 01:18:33.551
Hey,

01:18:34.931 --> 01:18:36.993
my first thought is Bodhi is the kid

01:18:37.033 --> 01:18:39.333
from Baywatch,

01:18:39.774 --> 01:18:41.515
and I immediately go to the red bikinis,

01:18:41.595 --> 01:18:41.956
okay?

01:18:42.716 --> 01:18:43.456
Kill me.

01:18:43.936 --> 01:18:44.777
Baywatch?

01:18:45.237 --> 01:18:46.177
Oh, my God.

01:18:48.841 --> 01:18:50.060
I do have a special place in my

01:18:50.100 --> 01:18:50.881
heart for Baywatch.

01:18:50.942 --> 01:18:53.404
That was the show I got weirdly into

01:18:53.463 --> 01:18:54.224
over the pandemic.

01:18:54.283 --> 01:18:55.864
I think I watched three seasons.

01:18:55.965 --> 01:18:57.386
You know what I'm saying?

01:18:58.806 --> 01:18:59.747
Yeah, and of course,

01:19:00.268 --> 01:19:01.828
it's really funny because I don't have a

01:19:01.849 --> 01:19:03.270
ton of the context for the time.

01:19:04.530 --> 01:19:05.652
The immediate thing I thought of was,

01:19:05.671 --> 01:19:06.351
I was like, oh, hey,

01:19:06.391 --> 01:19:07.872
that's Frank Hardy from the Hardy Boys

01:19:07.893 --> 01:19:09.895
because Parker Stevenson's in the first

01:19:09.935 --> 01:19:10.314
season.

01:19:10.814 --> 01:19:12.856
Yes, yes.

01:19:12.936 --> 01:19:13.957
I think I was more like,

01:19:13.976 --> 01:19:15.819
why is the tool time chick on this

01:19:15.859 --> 01:19:16.099
show?

01:19:19.038 --> 01:19:19.698
Also true.

01:19:20.500 --> 01:19:20.739
Yeah.

01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:21.319
Also true.

01:19:21.340 --> 01:19:21.460
Yeah.

01:19:22.699 --> 01:19:25.461
But I just had a lot of fun

01:19:25.480 --> 01:19:26.782
with some of the comedic bits of this.

01:19:26.822 --> 01:19:27.981
Like when they're trying to figure out

01:19:28.002 --> 01:19:29.002
what the pest is,

01:19:29.622 --> 01:19:30.842
at one point Calvary says,

01:19:31.064 --> 01:19:32.804
we think he might be an alien or

01:19:32.844 --> 01:19:33.283
a zombie.

01:19:33.543 --> 01:19:34.845
Honestly, open to suggestions.

01:19:35.345 --> 01:19:36.386
And Hank Ten's response is,

01:19:36.765 --> 01:19:39.506
what about an alien zombie or a zombie

01:19:39.686 --> 01:19:40.106
alien?

01:19:42.127 --> 01:19:44.409
and just the group consensus is like okay

01:19:44.430 --> 01:19:48.432
go sit in the corner yeah yeah go

01:19:48.453 --> 01:19:52.796
watch baywatch go watch it's a great show

01:19:52.837 --> 01:19:55.359
guy go watch baywatch it's a great show

01:19:55.378 --> 01:20:01.203
why not sorry yeah sorry where were we

01:20:01.323 --> 01:20:04.546
actually i was i was on the beach

01:20:07.466 --> 01:20:09.006
But let's jump into the Kickstarter real

01:20:09.027 --> 01:20:09.207
quick.

01:20:09.247 --> 01:20:10.729
I know there's only a few days left

01:20:10.948 --> 01:20:12.510
on the Kickstarter, I believe.

01:20:13.171 --> 01:20:15.912
So what can backers expect from the

01:20:15.953 --> 01:20:16.493
Kickstarter?

01:20:16.514 --> 01:20:17.774
And what are some of the perks that

01:20:17.994 --> 01:20:20.978
y'all are offering to backers on this

01:20:21.018 --> 01:20:21.537
Kickstarter?

01:20:21.597 --> 01:20:29.725
That's what the link is for.

01:20:29.904 --> 01:20:30.104
I mean,

01:20:30.145 --> 01:20:31.806
Bill could probably tell it better than

01:20:31.907 --> 01:20:32.807
either of us, but...

01:20:34.007 --> 01:20:37.429
There's the very basic digital tier of

01:20:37.469 --> 01:20:38.769
getting last gen number one,

01:20:38.908 --> 01:20:41.210
and then there's the digital deluxe where

01:20:41.229 --> 01:20:42.729
you get last gen number one and last

01:20:42.750 --> 01:20:44.449
gen number zero and some other cool

01:20:44.489 --> 01:20:44.890
things.

01:20:45.430 --> 01:20:47.671
Then there's a basic package where you

01:20:47.690 --> 01:20:49.810
just get issue number one and some other

01:20:50.030 --> 01:20:50.952
little bit of swag.

01:20:51.532 --> 01:20:53.011
There's an intermediate one where you get

01:20:53.152 --> 01:20:55.453
zero and one plus some extras,

01:20:55.472 --> 01:20:57.012
which is the one I recommend.

01:20:57.912 --> 01:20:59.594
And then we have like Diamond level where

01:20:59.613 --> 01:21:01.595
you get Last Gen number one and Last

01:21:01.615 --> 01:21:04.358
Gen number zero and some limited edition

01:21:04.398 --> 01:21:04.819
stuff.

01:21:06.038 --> 01:21:07.239
There's versions where you can get a

01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:07.841
t-shirt.

01:21:07.881 --> 01:21:08.600
There's a version,

01:21:09.002 --> 01:21:10.323
there's only one slot left in this,

01:21:10.783 --> 01:21:12.664
where you can get your own original

01:21:12.725 --> 01:21:15.266
character to appear on cover B of Last

01:21:15.306 --> 01:21:15.606
Gen.

01:21:16.347 --> 01:21:18.088
There's going to be a Last Gen t-shirt

01:21:18.128 --> 01:21:20.411
available and some trading cards and

01:21:20.490 --> 01:21:21.131
posters.

01:21:21.572 --> 01:21:22.912
And it's going to be amazing.

01:21:22.993 --> 01:21:23.693
I got to be honest.

01:21:23.872 --> 01:21:25.774
I do have my eyes on that t-shirt

01:21:25.854 --> 01:21:26.916
because I have...

01:21:28.314 --> 01:21:30.734
It's definitely a bit of a... Hang on.

01:21:30.755 --> 01:21:32.295
You mean to tell me they're making you

01:21:32.335 --> 01:21:34.756
write last gen and they haven't even sent

01:21:34.775 --> 01:21:35.716
you a free tee?

01:21:36.936 --> 01:21:37.096
I mean,

01:21:37.197 --> 01:21:38.377
I don't think it's been made yet.

01:21:38.497 --> 01:21:40.198
So it's... That's Bill.

01:21:40.238 --> 01:21:42.618
I mean,

01:21:42.637 --> 01:21:44.578
that's the least they can do is toss

01:21:44.618 --> 01:21:45.958
you a t-shirt, man.

01:21:47.220 --> 01:21:47.819
All right, Bill.

01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:49.000
Come on now.

01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:50.280
I mean, fingers crossed.

01:21:50.301 --> 01:21:51.980
Bill's seriously slacking, man.

01:21:52.480 --> 01:21:54.162
At least a grump tee something.

01:21:55.390 --> 01:21:56.570
Let my man get his t-shirt,

01:21:56.631 --> 01:21:58.072
even though he lives in Canada.

01:21:58.091 --> 01:21:59.432
I don't know when you're going to get

01:21:59.472 --> 01:22:03.255
to wear a t-shirt up there.

01:22:03.574 --> 01:22:04.815
It'll get worse.

01:22:04.876 --> 01:22:05.296
Here we go.

01:22:05.356 --> 01:22:07.698
Bill's going to take care of you.

01:22:07.757 --> 01:22:08.458
You're welcome.

01:22:08.738 --> 01:22:09.960
I got you a free t-shirt.

01:22:11.301 --> 01:22:12.822
Matt said he'll cover the price of it.

01:22:12.881 --> 01:22:13.322
Don't worry.

01:22:13.702 --> 01:22:14.582
I'll cover the shipping,

01:22:14.682 --> 01:22:18.164
which will be eighty dollars.

01:22:18.185 --> 01:22:20.667
My last Kickstarter I backed in Canada did

01:22:21.087 --> 01:22:21.768
absolutely.

01:22:21.988 --> 01:22:24.168
It was like thirteen or fourteen bucks.

01:22:24.208 --> 01:22:24.970
It was ridiculous.

01:22:26.525 --> 01:22:29.207
yeah no uh james is right i do

01:22:29.268 --> 01:22:31.328
have two alpha red t-shirts and i was

01:22:31.368 --> 01:22:34.310
going i was going to wear uh one

01:22:34.750 --> 01:22:37.110
i was gonna wear them on this show

01:22:37.131 --> 01:22:38.891
but then i was like is that bad

01:22:38.931 --> 01:22:41.113
is that like promoting one thing when i

01:22:41.132 --> 01:22:43.654
should be promoting another i i don't know

01:22:43.753 --> 01:22:45.375
and then i realized both of my alpha

01:22:45.395 --> 01:22:48.935
red t-shirts are in the laundry oh you

01:22:48.975 --> 01:22:50.117
ain't ever pulled a shirt out of the

01:22:50.136 --> 01:22:51.557
laundry gave me the sniff and they put

01:22:51.597 --> 01:22:51.898
it on

01:22:53.305 --> 01:22:54.405
If it passes the sniff test.

01:22:54.466 --> 01:22:58.029
Exactly, you're good.

01:22:58.470 --> 01:22:59.811
You put it in the dryer for five

01:22:59.832 --> 01:23:01.172
or ten minutes and put it fresh.

01:23:01.193 --> 01:23:02.895
With a dryer sheet.

01:23:03.296 --> 01:23:04.997
Gets rid of the wrinkles, freshens it up,

01:23:05.057 --> 01:23:06.979
and there's no smell coming through,

01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:07.279
brother.

01:23:07.381 --> 01:23:07.940
You'd have been fine.

01:23:07.961 --> 01:23:12.086
At least you're not sitting in an office

01:23:12.105 --> 01:23:13.948
with a bunch of Wonder Woman stuff.

01:23:15.136 --> 01:23:17.279
Hey, we're not here to judge you, Matt.

01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:18.359
Not this episode.

01:23:18.699 --> 01:23:20.320
We'll wait until you're solo again,

01:23:20.360 --> 01:23:25.045
and then I'll spread more judgment on you.

01:23:25.064 --> 01:23:27.146
So if anybody's wondering, me and Matt,

01:23:27.346 --> 01:23:29.087
this is like our normal conversation

01:23:29.127 --> 01:23:29.528
style.

01:23:30.229 --> 01:23:33.712
We shoot jabs at each other and barbs

01:23:33.752 --> 01:23:34.693
at each other throughout.

01:23:35.480 --> 01:23:37.643
traditionally i'm recording out of my

01:23:37.722 --> 01:23:40.524
office but i'm using my wife's office and

01:23:40.545 --> 01:23:42.046
that's why i'm sitting down because i

01:23:42.345 --> 01:23:45.188
usually don't sit while i'm talking but

01:23:46.269 --> 01:23:48.951
it's because internet but anyway um no

01:23:48.990 --> 01:23:50.652
james is right we wouldn't have been able

01:23:50.671 --> 01:23:52.153
to smell it from here should have gone

01:23:52.193 --> 01:23:53.913
with it i ended up just going with

01:23:53.953 --> 01:23:55.815
like my san diego because that's like a

01:23:56.055 --> 01:23:57.716
classic comic thing something i'm very

01:23:57.756 --> 01:24:00.599
proud of but uh next time next time

01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:01.619
but um

01:24:03.458 --> 01:24:04.538
Without spoilers,

01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:08.800
what can readers expect from Last Gen as

01:24:08.859 --> 01:24:13.181
the series continues?

01:24:13.242 --> 01:24:17.182
Wow.

01:24:17.203 --> 01:24:19.882
I'd have to say you can expect to

01:24:19.922 --> 01:24:22.024
continue to see these characters interact

01:24:22.203 --> 01:24:24.505
and grow and change because they're not

01:24:24.545 --> 01:24:25.305
going to be the same.

01:24:25.345 --> 01:24:25.524
Like,

01:24:26.912 --> 01:24:28.273
Fingers crossed we make it to something

01:24:28.313 --> 01:24:29.134
like issue ten.

01:24:29.994 --> 01:24:31.975
The Atoman in issue ten would not be

01:24:32.015 --> 01:24:34.238
the same character as Atoman in issue one.

01:24:34.278 --> 01:24:35.538
These characters are going to grow and

01:24:35.559 --> 01:24:36.340
they're going to change.

01:24:36.380 --> 01:24:38.202
Like your young adult years,

01:24:38.761 --> 01:24:39.483
as I've been told,

01:24:39.682 --> 01:24:42.385
are a time where you undergo a lot

01:24:42.404 --> 01:24:44.106
of changes and you learn who you really

01:24:44.226 --> 01:24:44.466
are.

01:24:45.047 --> 01:24:45.387
I'm kidding.

01:24:45.448 --> 01:24:46.509
I have experienced that.

01:24:46.529 --> 01:24:46.809
Yeah.

01:24:47.970 --> 01:24:51.851
But as someone who just really recently

01:24:52.011 --> 01:24:53.972
experienced that and is still experiencing

01:24:53.993 --> 01:24:54.172
that,

01:24:54.273 --> 01:24:55.332
I hope I can bring that to the

01:24:55.372 --> 01:24:56.854
characters that they're going to change.

01:24:56.873 --> 01:24:57.894
They're going to make mistakes.

01:24:57.934 --> 01:25:00.716
They're going to grow and they're not

01:25:00.735 --> 01:25:02.095
going to be a perfect a hundred percent

01:25:02.115 --> 01:25:02.555
of the time.

01:25:03.077 --> 01:25:04.377
And when you have the weight of the

01:25:04.396 --> 01:25:05.478
world on your shoulders,

01:25:05.578 --> 01:25:06.497
and in some cases,

01:25:06.978 --> 01:25:09.659
the weight of holding onto a superhero's

01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:11.220
name, who's already established,

01:25:11.260 --> 01:25:13.081
like what does it mean when you screw

01:25:13.140 --> 01:25:14.902
up or what does it mean when you're

01:25:14.921 --> 01:25:17.063
shown up or when you fail or,

01:25:18.970 --> 01:25:21.171
when you succeed and you don't get the

01:25:21.192 --> 01:25:22.252
credit you think you deserve.

01:25:22.512 --> 01:25:26.215
Like the great thing is there's so many

01:25:27.456 --> 01:25:30.216
amazing situations and story arcs that we

01:25:30.256 --> 01:25:31.537
can put them through in comics.

01:25:32.597 --> 01:25:34.399
And because they're all new superheroes,

01:25:34.418 --> 01:25:36.000
they'll all be experiencing it for the

01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:36.579
first time.

01:25:36.659 --> 01:25:38.081
And that's why I liken the series to

01:25:38.121 --> 01:25:41.563
invincible because that show and the comic

01:25:41.922 --> 01:25:42.743
were huge to me.

01:25:43.264 --> 01:25:44.904
And you got to see all of these,

01:25:46.939 --> 01:25:49.481
Kind of ideas and concepts we'd seen in

01:25:49.521 --> 01:25:50.262
comics before,

01:25:50.603 --> 01:25:52.864
but filtered through Mark's unique

01:25:52.904 --> 01:25:53.565
perspective.

01:25:53.886 --> 01:25:55.167
And I hope I can do something similar.

01:25:55.266 --> 01:25:56.467
I know I'm not Robert Kirkman.

01:25:56.568 --> 01:25:57.548
I know I'm never going to be able

01:25:57.569 --> 01:25:58.670
to reach those heights.

01:25:59.331 --> 01:26:00.692
Or, well, fingers crossed.

01:26:00.912 --> 01:26:01.391
You will.

01:26:01.552 --> 01:26:01.972
Easily.

01:26:01.993 --> 01:26:04.534
You're twenty-two years old.

01:26:04.574 --> 01:26:05.655
Trust me when I tell you this.

01:26:05.676 --> 01:26:07.698
You've got years and years on you.

01:26:08.618 --> 01:26:09.920
If you're at your level now,

01:26:11.621 --> 01:26:12.442
you're going to go far.

01:26:13.597 --> 01:26:14.298
Well, thank you.

01:26:14.359 --> 01:26:16.380
You're really too kind, and I really,

01:26:16.440 --> 01:26:18.061
really do hope for that.

01:26:25.828 --> 01:26:27.670
I hope we can make people care about

01:26:27.710 --> 01:26:29.572
these characters and then take them on an

01:26:29.612 --> 01:26:31.554
adventure and see how these characters

01:26:31.594 --> 01:26:32.033
change.

01:26:32.274 --> 01:26:34.676
And I'll do my best not to kill

01:26:34.716 --> 01:26:36.318
anybody off.

01:26:36.358 --> 01:26:37.078
But no promises.

01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:38.880
Sometimes you just have to.

01:26:39.921 --> 01:26:41.381
And I think an issue like four or

01:26:41.421 --> 01:26:41.801
five,

01:26:41.822 --> 01:26:43.443
there will be a new member that joins

01:26:43.462 --> 01:26:45.765
the team that could or could not be

01:26:45.805 --> 01:26:47.805
a pre-existing character in Remnant

01:26:47.865 --> 01:26:48.246
already.

01:26:48.326 --> 01:26:50.027
So that's going to greet them.

01:26:50.067 --> 01:26:52.349
I'm glad you went there, Matt,

01:26:52.448 --> 01:26:55.069
because my next question was going to be,

01:26:55.170 --> 01:26:57.851
how does Last Gen fit into the larger

01:26:57.971 --> 01:27:00.793
future of the Remnant universe?

01:27:01.976 --> 01:27:04.279
There are some things that are coming in

01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:06.662
some of the future issues of the main

01:27:06.802 --> 01:27:09.426
title that will also have some

01:27:09.445 --> 01:27:10.787
repercussions across the way.

01:27:12.128 --> 01:27:13.451
I can't give away stuff because it's

01:27:13.470 --> 01:27:13.930
spoilery.

01:27:13.990 --> 01:27:15.953
Yeah, no spoilers.

01:27:17.456 --> 01:27:18.076
But there will be...

01:27:19.938 --> 01:27:23.100
As the remnant story progresses and things

01:27:23.900 --> 01:27:25.981
start becoming worse and worse for them,

01:27:26.822 --> 01:27:29.984
it will actually behoove the last gen to

01:27:30.144 --> 01:27:31.944
separate themselves more and more from the

01:27:32.005 --> 01:27:32.445
remnant,

01:27:33.286 --> 01:27:34.787
which means they're going to be even more

01:27:34.846 --> 01:27:35.828
so on their own.

01:27:36.728 --> 01:27:39.149
It kind of almost like as out of

01:27:39.770 --> 01:27:43.612
a survival technique or a need to survive

01:27:43.652 --> 01:27:45.372
to just kind of like, okay, well...

01:27:46.634 --> 01:27:46.774
No,

01:27:46.795 --> 01:27:48.235
we don't know who those guys are because

01:27:48.256 --> 01:27:49.097
you guys, you know.

01:27:50.179 --> 01:27:52.721
So that'll also be changing the landscape

01:27:52.742 --> 01:27:53.722
of what they're going through.

01:27:53.823 --> 01:27:56.246
They're even more so on their own.

01:27:57.387 --> 01:27:59.489
And also, you have to remember,

01:28:00.532 --> 01:28:02.554
a lot of these characters were members of

01:28:02.594 --> 01:28:03.154
the Remnant.

01:28:04.280 --> 01:28:06.702
and well maybe they're last gen now and

01:28:06.742 --> 01:28:08.542
they're only tangentially attached to the

01:28:08.582 --> 01:28:11.003
remnant now not everybody's going to make

01:28:11.043 --> 01:28:13.064
that distinction so maybe some enemies of

01:28:13.085 --> 01:28:14.466
the remnant who want to wipe out the

01:28:14.506 --> 01:28:16.386
remnant to destroy every last trace of it

01:28:16.587 --> 01:28:21.689
are going to come for last gen and

01:28:21.729 --> 01:28:24.890
you got to be ready for that like

01:28:24.911 --> 01:28:27.332
your history i mean two of the main

01:28:27.372 --> 01:28:28.731
characters two of my favorite characters

01:28:28.752 --> 01:28:31.573
in last gen are rooted in the history

01:28:32.949 --> 01:28:34.610
that sort of goes into them being heroes

01:28:34.730 --> 01:28:36.212
and history is going to play an important

01:28:36.252 --> 01:28:38.413
part in the next couple issues.

01:28:38.594 --> 01:28:41.376
And it's never going to be completely

01:28:42.497 --> 01:28:43.417
removed from the remnant.

01:28:43.637 --> 01:28:45.059
What happens in the remnant will trickle

01:28:45.078 --> 01:28:45.838
down to last gen.

01:28:45.859 --> 01:28:48.541
You'll notice it.

01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:49.801
I like where this is going.

01:28:50.141 --> 01:28:51.023
I really do.

01:28:51.662 --> 01:28:53.283
And I can't wait to get my hands

01:28:53.404 --> 01:28:56.567
on and read these issues when they get

01:28:56.606 --> 01:28:57.287
to my house.

01:28:57.728 --> 01:28:58.887
And you'll be able to look forward to

01:28:58.908 --> 01:29:00.770
those because I'll open them up on an

01:29:00.810 --> 01:29:02.211
episode of What's in the Box, man.

01:29:03.606 --> 01:29:03.908
Also,

01:29:03.948 --> 01:29:05.871
before I let y'all get out of here,

01:29:06.150 --> 01:29:06.972
Matt and Ray,

01:29:07.012 --> 01:29:10.018
tell everybody where they can find you and

01:29:10.078 --> 01:29:10.918
Grop comments.

01:29:13.100 --> 01:29:14.541
You can find Grok Comics at

01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:17.761
TribulationTaskForce.com and across all

01:29:17.822 --> 01:29:20.243
social media, I believe, just Grok Comics.

01:29:21.262 --> 01:29:22.863
You can find me across all social media

01:29:22.922 --> 01:29:23.583
at TheHustleMan.

01:29:23.604 --> 01:29:26.003
That's Hustle with a J.

01:29:26.043 --> 01:29:28.164
Hustle with a J.

01:29:29.145 --> 01:29:30.364
I need to put my full name on

01:29:30.404 --> 01:29:30.564
here.

01:29:30.604 --> 01:29:32.586
I only have my first name because this

01:29:32.605 --> 01:29:34.086
is what I use for my podcast,

01:29:34.145 --> 01:29:36.067
and it already has my last name up

01:29:36.106 --> 01:29:36.506
there.

01:29:36.546 --> 01:29:40.148
So, yes, Instagram, Threads, Twitter,

01:29:40.507 --> 01:29:42.028
YouTube, TheHustleMan.com.

01:29:44.167 --> 01:29:45.427
I've definitely got a bit of a smaller

01:29:45.467 --> 01:29:45.948
profile.

01:29:46.127 --> 01:29:48.029
I'm just Ray McKay on Facebook,

01:29:48.389 --> 01:29:49.750
M-A-C-K-A-Y.

01:29:50.791 --> 01:29:55.252
L-O-U-S-E.

01:29:55.273 --> 01:29:55.533
Sorry.

01:29:55.573 --> 01:29:56.293
He did it.

01:29:56.453 --> 01:29:57.493
I was about to, and I was like,

01:29:57.514 --> 01:29:58.395
nope, let him finish.

01:29:58.414 --> 01:30:01.737
My bad.

01:30:01.837 --> 01:30:02.117
My bad.

01:30:02.237 --> 01:30:02.697
Old habit.

01:30:03.297 --> 01:30:04.778
That's really where I'm most available.

01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:07.859
And yeah,

01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:09.740
I'm just available to talk about all

01:30:09.780 --> 01:30:10.561
things comics.

01:30:10.761 --> 01:30:11.903
And Grok,

01:30:11.922 --> 01:30:13.002
you can find it at the website.

01:30:13.063 --> 01:30:13.644
As they say,

01:30:14.163 --> 01:30:16.564
if you punch me into YouTube,

01:30:16.585 --> 01:30:18.225
you can find a couple other podcasts I've

01:30:18.265 --> 01:30:20.728
been on where I stumble through trying to

01:30:20.847 --> 01:30:22.128
talk about my love of comics.

01:30:23.018 --> 01:30:24.418
And if you go through some other

01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:26.239
publishers, you will see his stuff.

01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:28.980
He's done some incredible work for alpha

01:30:29.041 --> 01:30:31.082
red for big bang.

01:30:31.801 --> 01:30:32.242
Um,

01:30:32.283 --> 01:30:33.823
he's got some other projects coming that

01:30:33.882 --> 01:30:35.163
I'm really stoked for.

01:30:35.203 --> 01:30:36.264
So you're going to,

01:30:36.323 --> 01:30:38.546
you're going to see my man rate everywhere

01:30:38.565 --> 01:30:39.326
here pretty soon.

01:30:39.746 --> 01:30:41.407
And I am just excited to be.

01:30:41.787 --> 01:30:44.707
hopefully a little part and see where he

01:30:45.448 --> 01:30:45.588
goes.

01:30:45.609 --> 01:30:47.090
I'm here for it, man.

01:30:47.130 --> 01:30:48.029
He's being too humble.

01:30:48.069 --> 01:30:51.091
Matt's been a huge help with so many

01:30:51.131 --> 01:30:52.091
things I've worked on.

01:30:52.832 --> 01:30:54.233
One huge thing that I can't wait to

01:30:54.273 --> 01:30:55.132
talk about at some point,

01:30:55.172 --> 01:30:56.654
Matt has been a huge help with.

01:30:57.314 --> 01:30:57.515
Um,

01:30:57.675 --> 01:30:59.114
and I'm very proud of all the other

01:30:59.135 --> 01:31:00.496
work I've done for other publishers like

01:31:00.536 --> 01:31:00.996
big bang.

01:31:01.076 --> 01:31:02.497
I'm really proud of what I've been able

01:31:02.537 --> 01:31:06.378
to help James with on alpha red and

01:31:06.578 --> 01:31:08.239
as well as like standard comics,

01:31:08.279 --> 01:31:09.619
proud of the work I've done there.

01:31:10.261 --> 01:31:10.360
Uh,

01:31:12.582 --> 01:31:14.323
I'm just really jazzed that I get to

01:31:14.342 --> 01:31:15.003
do comics.

01:31:15.024 --> 01:31:16.904
I get to write comics and people pay

01:31:16.925 --> 01:31:17.204
me to do it.

01:31:17.265 --> 01:31:20.426
Anytime you say jazz,

01:31:20.447 --> 01:31:21.568
you have to do jazz hands.

01:31:25.989 --> 01:31:26.591
There you go.

01:31:26.610 --> 01:31:26.930
There it is.

01:31:26.990 --> 01:31:27.811
Perfect.

01:31:27.851 --> 01:31:28.452
There you go.

01:31:29.072 --> 01:31:29.472
I love it.

01:31:31.340 --> 01:31:33.280
And I hate to let y'all go,

01:31:33.301 --> 01:31:34.981
but we're at that point in the show.

01:31:35.983 --> 01:31:38.363
I want to say that the future of

01:31:38.583 --> 01:31:41.845
indie comics and just comments in general,

01:31:41.886 --> 01:31:43.506
the future is bright with people like Ray

01:31:43.546 --> 01:31:46.507
out there, Nathan, SisFifteenComments,

01:31:46.988 --> 01:31:47.969
just to name a few.

01:31:47.988 --> 01:31:50.770
The future is looking very bright for the

01:31:50.810 --> 01:31:52.072
comic book industry.

01:31:52.731 --> 01:31:53.993
And so...

01:31:54.976 --> 01:31:57.018
This is where we do this.

01:31:57.337 --> 01:32:00.060
Last Gen is a story about legacy,

01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:00.939
rebellion,

01:32:01.440 --> 01:32:03.582
and the pressure of becoming who you're

01:32:03.601 --> 01:32:04.341
meant to be.

01:32:04.881 --> 01:32:07.463
All wrapped up in classic superhero

01:32:08.003 --> 01:32:08.444
energy.

01:32:08.984 --> 01:32:11.905
Be sure to check out Last Gen Zero

01:32:12.386 --> 01:32:13.186
and Number One.

01:32:13.546 --> 01:32:18.109
Support the campaign at Kickstarter.

01:32:19.289 --> 01:32:20.850
You'll find it is super easy.

01:32:20.871 --> 01:32:21.671
You won't miss it.

01:32:22.895 --> 01:32:26.701
and help shape the future of the remnant

01:32:26.761 --> 01:32:29.543
universe this has been the chairman of the

01:32:29.604 --> 01:32:32.207
united states department of nerds where

01:32:32.346 --> 01:32:35.690
indie comics come to life thanks for

01:32:35.811 --> 01:32:38.354
having us there bye-bye thank you