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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Chris and I am Wesley, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We are here today. We are the Bible Guys today

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<v Speaker 1>because many of you realized that last week we had

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle as filling in for Jeff, because Jeff is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>are out and about throughout the country doing great things

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<v Speaker 1>in other countries for the Timothy Initiative. Well, anyway, he

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<v Speaker 1>came back into the States and the weather and the

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<v Speaker 1>pollen get the best of them. So he's resting up

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that he's good for Sunday here at

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<v Speaker 1>Heritage Church. So Wesley, you are the other Bible Guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad to be here, and I just have a question.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we ban pollen?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I know that the bee people will be angry at

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<v Speaker 2>that bless Yes. Yes, my allergies this time of year

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<v Speaker 2>are not they are not subtle.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just say yeah, yeah, you got that right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, Having another Bible Guy is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>like choosing your favorite movie. I believe because you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do it. It may you can't compare yourself to Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>or to me or to Kyle. It's like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a different genre. You how do you pick a favorite movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just as good, just different.

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<v Speaker 2>I would take it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So thank you for being here. And then also

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<v Speaker 1>if you're watching a video, you'll notice we're not in

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<v Speaker 1>our normal podcast studio. That's true. We are on heritage

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<v Speaker 1>of stage and that's because there was a podcast studio

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<v Speaker 1>thing that happened, and so we are pivoting, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know how that long that's going to last.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of explanations today before we dive into today.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are going to dive into the book of Malachi.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that book is the last book of the Old Testament,

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<v Speaker 1>right before the four hundred years of silence, before the

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<v Speaker 1>New Testament, before the Promise. What we're going to discover

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<v Speaker 1>in Malachi is God's going to say some words. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a little blunt, isn't he.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he is very direct in blunt in Malika, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>through the prophet.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we dive into that, we actually have a

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<v Speaker 1>segment that Desiree has chosen for us, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>a stump the pastor question. Okay, and so this is

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<v Speaker 1>written in by Alison Kyeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Alison kay says this, what do you say to

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<v Speaker 1>a Christian who feels abandoned by God despite doing everything right?

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<v Speaker 2>That is a tough question right here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, well I would say, welcome to the club.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that's true. I think we've all been there before. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we've all been there where there were seasons of our

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<v Speaker 2>life that were really difficult. I even think of myself

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<v Speaker 2>with my daughter and how we had a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>miscarriages before then. She was born two pounds twelve ounces premature,

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<v Speaker 2>spent two months in the ICU, had some reflux issues.

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<v Speaker 2>After that, it was like thing after thing after thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and at a certain point where like can we catch

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<v Speaker 2>a break here? I mean, it just seems like it

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<v Speaker 2>was a season of difficulty. But I will say through

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<v Speaker 2>that entire year. Pastor at the time, Yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 2>a pastor at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I still remember being at church when my wife called.

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<v Speaker 2>The church was in Southfield at that time, and she

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<v Speaker 2>called and said her water broke. And I'm thinking, you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>at twenty eight, twenty nine, Wait, that's impossible, now, remember

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<v Speaker 2>racing the Saint John Hospital. So, yeah, I'm in church.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I say in church, I mean i'm a pastor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm tithing, doing everything that I know to do

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<v Speaker 2>that's right. And even us we go through seasons like that,

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<v Speaker 2>So we're not oblivious just because we're followers of God

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<v Speaker 2>or pastors or anything like that. But even through that

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<v Speaker 2>entire season, I could see glimpses of God where he

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<v Speaker 2>was carrying us, where he was holding our hand every

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<v Speaker 2>step of the way through that whole crazy season.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think I think we've all been through

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<v Speaker 1>seasons like that. I have a story where in between

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<v Speaker 1>minister trees, you know, I got burned by my first

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<v Speaker 1>two churches. I liked serving in church, Okay, I just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like working for people. And I had had one

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<v Speaker 1>pastor had a moral failure. And then I joined another

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<v Speaker 1>church worked for that one, and that pastor had a

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<v Speaker 1>moral failure and no one of that, but like there

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<v Speaker 1>was a bunch of hardships that came on my family

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<v Speaker 1>because of those two guys, and so and I just

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<v Speaker 1>I said I'm done, like I'm done, and I felt

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<v Speaker 1>as if like I'm like, God, throw me a bone

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<v Speaker 1>I actually said, I prayed that to God. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I said, to throw me a bone. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm in a one sided relationship. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So when I say join the club, I don't say

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<v Speaker 1>that flippantly. I'm saying I don't. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>the club is that God often abandons his people. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying that his people often feel as if God has

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<v Speaker 1>abandoned them. But it's not true because because God says,

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<v Speaker 1>if he's with us, if we're followers and believers in him,

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<v Speaker 1>that He's always with us. There's never a time ever

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<v Speaker 1>where you are not under God's care. There's never a

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<v Speaker 1>time where you're out of god It's presence. There's never

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<v Speaker 1>a time where the Holy Spirit has abandoned you as

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<v Speaker 1>a believer and follower, as a Christian, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>the question says, right, And so there are times I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that we feel abandoned by God. But really it's

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<v Speaker 1>a deeper question, isn't it. Because think about this, Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>ever questions whether God has abandoned them when life is great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, yeah, when things are going great, there's never yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's never an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, And you may not even go to church,

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<v Speaker 1>and you may, you know, you may be a Christian

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<v Speaker 1>who stopped going to church, but nobody ever says, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just because I don't feel God's presence. It's about God's favor,

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<v Speaker 1>It's about God's blessings. Wow, everything's going great. I have

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<v Speaker 1>my health, I have money, I have happiness, and nobody

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<v Speaker 1>ever questions that it is actually a deeper issue. And

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<v Speaker 1>the deeper issue is it's about being unfair and it's

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<v Speaker 1>about hardship. So really it's about this question. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>why would a loving God continue to treat a faithful

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<v Speaker 1>follower and why would a loving God allow bad things

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<v Speaker 1>to happen to good people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what it is. And the Bible talks about

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<v Speaker 2>how it rains on the just as well as the unjust,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, you can be a christ follower. If

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<v Speaker 2>you go outside, it's going to rain on you. If

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<v Speaker 2>you reject God and you want nothing to do with God,

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<v Speaker 2>if you walk outside, it's going to rain on you too.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Bible lets us know that because we are Christians,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think this is this is helpful for some

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<v Speaker 2>people to hear. When you become a Christian, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean you become immune to stuff. Right, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes people think I become a Christian, I accept Christ

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<v Speaker 2>into my life, and then suddenly, poof, like magic, everything

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be daisies and rainbows and waterfalls and unicorns.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is not how life works.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so you and I both have Bible degrees, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I have a four year bachelor's degree, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have credits toward a master's degree in theology. I

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<v Speaker 1>have read hun hundreds of books. I read the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>countless times through I've had thousands of conversations. And so

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<v Speaker 1>my theological stance is this is that crap happens. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the truth it does. That is my theological stance.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know sometimes people want to fancy deep theological response,

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<v Speaker 2>but sometimes stuff just happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, take, for instance, had your daughter not survived.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she was born premature. Had she not survived,

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually heard some Christians say, well, that was God's

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<v Speaker 1>perfect will, to which I would disagree. Had your daughter

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<v Speaker 1>not survived, and not to mention there's people listening who've

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<v Speaker 1>had tragedies like that, I would say, God's perfect will

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be attached to tragedies. Like that. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say God's perfect will is the garden of Eden.

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<v Speaker 1>That was God's perfect will. And when sin entered into

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<v Speaker 1>the equation, the Book of Romans tells us that you

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<v Speaker 1>and I live under the curse and the bondage and

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<v Speaker 1>the decay of sin. And so we live in a

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<v Speaker 1>broken and messed up world. And all things that are

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<v Speaker 1>bad are as a result of sin, including man's bad choices,

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<v Speaker 1>but including our DNA has changed in our in our bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>death came into play, cancer came into play, disease came

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<v Speaker 1>into play, even earthquakes in tsunamis. I mean, the DNA

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<v Speaker 1>of the earth changed, right, because what the Bible say,

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<v Speaker 1>no longer will you be given food from the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to work for your food, you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least you won't be given it without work or labor.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the DNA of everything changed. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when I say that stuff happens, what I'm really saying

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<v Speaker 1>is is that every time that you know, we shed

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<v Speaker 1>a tear, I believe God sheds a tear. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that God is with us. I believe that looking back

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<v Speaker 1>we can see God's faithfulness. I believe that God does

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<v Speaker 1>work in the valleys of our life. I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes there's no rhyme or as to why God doesn't intervene.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that there are could be reasons, but we'll

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<v Speaker 1>never understand them this side of eternity. But what I

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<v Speaker 1>do know is that you can't go wrong being faithful

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true, you can't go wrong. And I would

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<v Speaker 2>also add on very quickly at the end, that God

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<v Speaker 2>is with us in near to us, even when we

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel like he is. The example that I think

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<v Speaker 2>of is in a mall when that little toddler runs

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<v Speaker 2>toddler have that moment of panic, like, oh no, where

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<v Speaker 2>are my parents? The parents always had their eye on

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<v Speaker 2>the toddler. Even though the toddler felt separated from the parents.

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<v Speaker 2>They were really never separated from the parent, even though

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<v Speaker 2>they felt they were. So I think that's a thing

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<v Speaker 2>to keep in mind too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I would just say to Alison K, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a great question. Yeah, if you're going through a

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<v Speaker 1>hard time, I'm really sorry for that. But my advice

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<v Speaker 1>to any Christian Alison is do not walk through this alone. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there are people for you. And the Bible says

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<v Speaker 1>that we are made for community, we are made for encouragement,

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<v Speaker 1>we are made to be helped. We are not made

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<v Speaker 1>for independence. We are made to be in dependence, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, no, it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>So so thank you Allison for asking that. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we have to move on, and we're going to transition

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<v Speaker 1>to Malachi chapter one. And since Jeff does all the reading,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to take on the reading today?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that just so I don't have to so you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to do all the Old Testament names.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest. That's my motivation. But the other

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<v Speaker 1>motivation is Jeff just has a really good voice and

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<v Speaker 1>he really can read well. And guess what that's you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is WW No, I'm joking right, all right. Malachi

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<v Speaker 2>first chapter, verses one through fourteen. It says, this is

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<v Speaker 2>I have always loved you, says the Lord. But you retort, really,

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<v Speaker 2>how have you loved us? And the Lord replies, this

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<v Speaker 2>is how I showed my love for you. I loved

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<v Speaker 2>your ancestor Jacob, but I rejected his brother Esau and

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<v Speaker 2>devastated his hill country. I turned Esau's inheritance into a

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<v Speaker 2>desert for jackals. Esau's descendants in Edom may say, we

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<v Speaker 2>have been shattered, but we will rebuild the ruins. But

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord of Heaven's Armies replies, they may try to rebuild,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will demolish them again. Their country will be

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<v Speaker 2>When you see the destruction for yourselves, you will say, truly,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord's greatness reaches far beyond Israel's borders. Verse six,

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<v Speaker 2>honor and respect I deserve? You have shown contempt for

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<v Speaker 2>my name, But you ask, how have we ever shown

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<v Speaker 2>contempt for your name? You have shown contempt by offering

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<v Speaker 2>defiled sacrifices on my altar. Then you ask, how have

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<v Speaker 2>we defiled the sacrifices? You defile them by saying the

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<v Speaker 2>altar of the Lord deserves no respect. When you give

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<v Speaker 2>blind animals as sacrifices, isn't that wrong? And isn't it

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<v Speaker 2>wrong to offer animals that are crippled and diseased? Try

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<v Speaker 2>giving gifts like that to your governor, and see how

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<v Speaker 2>pleased he is, says the Lord of Heaven's Armies verse nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, beg God to be merciful to you. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you bring that kind of offering, why should he

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<v Speaker 2>show you any favor at all? Ask the Lord of

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<v Speaker 2>Heaven's Armies. How I wish one of you would shut

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<v Speaker 2>be offered. I am not pleased with you, says the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord of Heaven's Armies, and I will not accept your offerings.

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<v Speaker 2>But my name is honored by people of other nations.

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<v Speaker 2>From morning till night, all around the world, they offer

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<v Speaker 2>sweet incense and pure offerings in honor of my name.

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<v Speaker 2>For my name is great among the nations, says the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord of Heaven's Armies. But you dishonor my name with

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<v Speaker 2>your actions. By bringing contemptible food, you are saying it's

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<v Speaker 2>all right to devile the Lord's table. You say it's

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<v Speaker 2>too hard to serve the Lord and you turn up

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<v Speaker 2>your noses at my commands, says the Lord of Heaven's Armies.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of it. Animals that are stolen and crippled and

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<v Speaker 2>sick are being presented as offerings. Should I accept from

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<v Speaker 2>you such offerings as these? Ask the Lord? Cursed is

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<v Speaker 2>the cheat who promises to give a fine ram from

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<v Speaker 2>his flock, but then sacrifices a defective one to the Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>For I am a great king, says the Lord of

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<v Speaker 2>Heaven's Armies, and my name is feared among the nations.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there sure is. The Life Application of Study Bible

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<v Speaker 1>has an overview of the Book of Malachi that reads

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<v Speaker 1>this way. It says Malachi rebuked the people and the

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<v Speaker 1>priests for neglecting the worship of God and failing to

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<v Speaker 1>live according to his will. The priests were corrupt. How

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<v Speaker 1>could they lead the people? They had become stumbling blocks

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<v Speaker 1>instead of spiritual leaders. The men were divorcing their wives

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<v Speaker 1>and marrying pagan women. How could they have godly children?

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<v Speaker 1>Their relationship with God had become inconsequential. If our relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with God is unimportant, we may need to take stock

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<v Speaker 1>of ourselves by setting aside our sinful habits, putting the

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<v Speaker 1>Lord first and giving our best to God each day.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it is just a really wild thing to

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<v Speaker 1>think about. This is the last book before God stopped

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to his people. There's four hundred years of silence

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<v Speaker 1>where God the Father and the Old Testament would speak prominently.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. So the Old Testament was the Age of

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<v Speaker 1>the Father, you know, the Age of the Son, where

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<v Speaker 1>God spoke primarily through Jesus, where the Gospels, when Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>Age of the Holy Spirit after the Resurrection, where Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>sends the Holy Spirit, and still today that's how primarily

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<v Speaker 1>then God spoke audibly, and God the Father oftentimes used

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<v Speaker 1>his prophets and judges like Malachi here and but listen,

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<v Speaker 1>my point is this is that it's almost no wonder

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<v Speaker 1>why God decided to stop speaking to his people, because

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<v Speaker 1>now even the Church is corrupt to the point to

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<v Speaker 1>where they have forgotten His decrees, they pay no attention to.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it even says that they don't even understand

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<v Speaker 1>God's word. The priest don't even know the law, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's gotten so bad. We're religion itself was

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, going through the motions, I love how it starts off.

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<v Speaker 2>In verse two. It says, I have always loved you,

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<v Speaker 2>says the Lord. So the Lord is telling them I

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<v Speaker 2>have always loved you?

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<v Speaker 1>Now't does your mind go to Whitney Houston?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm right, I actually go to Janet Jackson? What have

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<v Speaker 2>you done for me lately? You know what? I think

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<v Speaker 2>we should cut an album?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there is?

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<v Speaker 2>And it says It finishes with saying, but you retort

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<v Speaker 2>or reply, really, how have you loved us? And I

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine and I can't speak for God, but I

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<v Speaker 2>can almost imagine God saying, are you kidding me? I

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<v Speaker 2>have preserved your life, I have blessed your people, I've

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<v Speaker 2>blessed the nation, and you have the audacity to say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, how have I loved you? Really?

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<v Speaker 1>There's a note here also in the Bible, the Study Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>that says, unfortunately, many people are cynical about God's love,

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<v Speaker 1>using political and economic progress as a measure of success.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the government was corrupt and the economy poor, the

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<v Speaker 1>Israelites assumed that God didn't love them. They were wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>God loves all people because he made them. However, his

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<v Speaker 1>eternal reward goes to only those who are faithful to him.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a great message, right because sometimes well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean think every day, I feel like I hear about

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<v Speaker 1>the economy in our government, like every single day. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, give me a break. And you can't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>measure God's favor by the economy or you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>the politics the political landscape. You know, in third world

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<v Speaker 1>countries and places developing countries that you and I have

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<v Speaker 1>been to, people are happier. And they may not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>be more taken care of than you or me, but

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<v Speaker 1>they literally have nothing, and in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 1>it's better for their soul, right, I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily better for their bodies because they do struggle. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've been a places where I've been told like this

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<v Speaker 1>it in villages in Kenya, right where it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>what and they have nothing on their body and they

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<v Speaker 1>literally their only possessions are a rock and a stick,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet they are happy and they love God. And

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<v Speaker 1>even though I'm more well taken care of, I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they're better for it as a person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, their happiness and contentment isn't based on stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think sometimes in the Western world we will

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<v Speaker 2>base our happiness on stuff. I'm happy if I get

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<v Speaker 2>the boat. I'm happy if I get the cabin up north.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy if I get the jet skis or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is so or the iPhone. Yeah, maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>the iPhone.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, man, Hey, for our listeners who don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Wesley is one of the few on staff where he

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<v Speaker 2>I am I'm and cannot do the iPhone.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jeff says that they don't get to go to heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and do I mess up the text messages?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Oh yeah, you're the guy that turns all

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<v Speaker 1>the group text messages Green, I can't name the text

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<v Speaker 1>threat which, by the way, that's iPhone's fault. Yeah, the iPhone,

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<v Speaker 1>iPhone is punishing everybody who's not iPhone user.

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<v Speaker 2>So the funny thing about that is they could make

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<v Speaker 2>those works seamlessly together if they It's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>the PC and the Mac. Yes, you could make it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's if we could put a person on the moon

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen, you know sixty, you know at late sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>did me though, we're not even going bu We're not

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<v Speaker 2>even going there. You're sticking a malaka.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny. It's so funny that it's funny. Half

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners are like, oh, Chris is a doubt. Yeah right,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so can we touch on verse seven really quick?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>It says you have shown contempt by offering defiled sacrifices

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<v Speaker 2>on my alter. Sure, and that's a good verse right there.

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<v Speaker 2>So what they were doing is they didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>give God their best. They would look and say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, I got a ram that's missing a

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody that a ram that has a disease.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or a disease, or I got a good ram.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, Let's sacrifice the one leged, one eyed

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<v Speaker 2>Ram for the Lord, and then we'll keep the good Ram.

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<v Speaker 2>What they missed was it wasn't about the sacrifice in

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<v Speaker 2>and of itself. It was the heart, the attitude behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>I use this example. I teach a class here at

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<v Speaker 2>Heritage called two to one, and we talk about tithing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna make this super easy and simple. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>say you get paid one hundred dollars, a tithe on

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<v Speaker 2>that one hundred dollars would be ten dollars because a

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<v Speaker 2>tie is ten percent. Let's say you pay all of

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a tithe? The answer would be no, because

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<v Speaker 2>if you're just looking at the monetary aspect, you would say, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a tie. But God said I want the first fruits, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I want mine off the.

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<v Speaker 1>Top, which is the faith part.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the point. That's the faith that God was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get to you with the sacrifices, with the offering.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not about the money. It wasn't really about

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<v Speaker 2>the ram. It was the heart which God was after.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just think that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and people do it all the time. I've had

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<v Speaker 1>people call the church and say, hey, do you want

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<v Speaker 1>these old nineteen seventies books that nobody wants anymore? Yeah, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I bought a new couch. You want this old nasty

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<v Speaker 1>couch for the church. It's like, no, the church deserves

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<v Speaker 1>your new couch or a couch like it, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they deserve cutting edge leadership. Books and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>The church deserves the best. We're supposed to honor God,

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<v Speaker 1>not give God the things you don't want. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love how God said, try giving a gift to that,

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<v Speaker 1>like that to your governor and see how he likes

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<v Speaker 1>See how see how that goes? Right, It's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as we hear that, we go, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. I would never dream of giving the governor

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<v Speaker 1>anything less than a total sacrifice. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But Chris, where else can you think of in our

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<v Speaker 2>lives where we give God the scraps, the crumbs or

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<v Speaker 2>the leftovers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in our time we do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, especially with time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's not just things or money, it's our time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we offer God. Okay, I have five minutes

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<v Speaker 1>left over at the end of the day, I might

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<v Speaker 1>as well, you know, maybe pray or something as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to making God the priority. And so it's not about

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<v Speaker 1>the minutes, it's about the attitude, and it's about the

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<v Speaker 1>priority of making him first, of making him first. Right. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great point. And by the way, let me

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<v Speaker 1>make reference to where he says Esau. He's not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the eternal destination of Esau because he said he

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<v Speaker 1>rejected Esau. He's talking about how God did not choose Esau,

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<v Speaker 1>and Esau got a curse because of Esau's disobedience, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, you know in the Old Testament, Jacob

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<v Speaker 1>and Esau sold his birthright and then got angry and

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<v Speaker 1>rejected God and walked away from God for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different reasons, but basically, in a time of weakness

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<v Speaker 1>he did all those things. And anyway, there's a big

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<v Speaker 1>story behind that. But I just wanted to reference the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that God is not indicating that he's rejected Esau's eternity.

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<v Speaker 1>He's talking about the lineage, because after all, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the God of Abraham, he's the God of Isaac,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the God of Jacob. He's not the God of Esau.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was, it was supposed to be Esau, but

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<v Speaker 1>through Esau's actions, it became the God of Jacob. And then,

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<v Speaker 1>as we know, that's an important line because the lineage

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<v Speaker 1>goes all the way down through Jesus Christ. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that's what God's That's what Malachi's referring here. Right, referring

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<v Speaker 1>to here. So yeah, I think that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sermons hidden in here about religion becoming a burden,

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<v Speaker 1>about not honoring God. There's also a very dangerous warning

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<v Speaker 1>that we're about to see in chapter two that talks

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<v Speaker 1>about religious leaders not knowing God's word, religious leaders being hypocrites,

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<v Speaker 1>very dangerous ground there. And then there's and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, there's a big, huge warning about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the people not treating God first priority in their sacrifices

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<v Speaker 1>or in their lives. And and we're going to dive

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<v Speaker 1>into chapter two which has another strong message for priests

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<v Speaker 1>and religious leaders. So he looks like we'll see you

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<v Speaker 1>then hopefully you'll join us on the Bible guys,