WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.089 --> 00:00:00.929 Mario: Hey, Allen. 00:00:01.459 --> 00:00:01.849 Alan: Hello? 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:03.650 Mario: good How's it going? 00:00:03.650 --> 00:00:05.591 Alan: It's warm. 00:00:07.121 --> 00:00:08.351 Mario: It is, isn't it? 00:00:08.591 --> 00:00:10.031 Alan: You have the same kind of problem. 00:00:10.661 --> 00:00:11.201 Mario: Yup. 00:00:11.204 --> 00:00:11.924 It's pretty 00:00:11.924 --> 00:00:12.884 warm here too. 00:00:13.274 --> 00:00:13.844 Alan: Yeah. 00:00:14.144 --> 00:00:14.474 Mario: Yeah. 00:00:14.694 --> 00:00:15.434 Alan: not a fan. 00:00:16.334 --> 00:00:17.234 I'll be honest. 00:00:18.044 --> 00:00:18.554 Mario: Is it? 00:00:18.764 --> 00:00:19.454 is it humid. 00:00:19.454 --> 00:00:19.994 over there? 00:00:20.384 --> 00:00:20.864 Alan: Yeah. 00:00:20.864 --> 00:00:21.884 we get it super humid. 00:00:21.884 --> 00:00:25.699 it's yeah, it's generally in the 50 sixties, sixties or 00:00:25.699 --> 00:00:27.289 seventies, humidity percent. 00:00:27.379 --> 00:00:29.899 And it's just sticky all the time. 00:00:30.319 --> 00:00:30.909 Mario: muggy 00:00:31.309 --> 00:00:31.639 Alan: yeah, 00:00:31.639 --> 00:00:32.149 exactly. 00:00:32.329 --> 00:00:32.749 Mario: Yeah. 00:00:32.779 --> 00:00:33.049 Okay. 00:00:33.049 --> 00:00:34.489 That's that? 00:00:34.519 --> 00:00:35.569 That's different here. 00:00:35.809 --> 00:00:36.249 Hear it. 00:00:36.249 --> 00:00:37.249 We have dry 00:00:37.249 --> 00:00:37.729 heat. 00:00:38.299 --> 00:00:38.569 Alan: Right. 00:00:39.019 --> 00:00:39.649 Mario: pretty nice and 00:00:39.649 --> 00:00:39.979 dry. 00:00:40.189 --> 00:00:40.999 Alan: I've heard that. 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:42.619 That's a bit more manageable. 00:00:42.649 --> 00:00:42.799 Yeah, 00:00:43.489 --> 00:00:43.909 Mario: Yeah. 00:00:43.969 --> 00:00:44.479 it is. 00:00:44.509 --> 00:00:48.619 Although some days it gets a little bit humid, but not a big, you 00:00:48.619 --> 00:00:53.209 know, not, not anything compared to, you know, what you probably 00:00:53.209 --> 00:00:54.559 experienced over there or the east 00:00:54.559 --> 00:00:55.799 coast here of the US 00:00:55.844 --> 00:00:56.444 Alan: Right show. 00:00:56.444 --> 00:00:56.924 Exactly. 00:00:56.924 --> 00:00:57.164 Yeah. 00:00:57.264 --> 00:00:57.474 Yeah. 00:00:57.524 --> 00:00:59.864 Unfortunately the times I've lived in places that have been 00:00:59.864 --> 00:01:01.634 warm, have all been humid, places. 00:01:01.634 --> 00:01:08.283 So I'm I associate hot with very sticky muggy kind of weather and yet 00:01:08.283 --> 00:01:10.233 to be somewhere where it's a dry heat. 00:01:10.233 --> 00:01:12.723 So I need to, give it a, give it a fair shot. 00:01:12.723 --> 00:01:13.473 I think at some point 00:01:14.008 --> 00:01:14.638 Mario: Yeah. 00:01:14.698 --> 00:01:15.238 Yeah. 00:01:15.268 --> 00:01:17.038 Well, you got to come live in 00:01:17.038 --> 00:01:18.598 the west coast of the 00:01:18.598 --> 00:01:18.928 US. 00:01:19.803 --> 00:01:20.343 Alan: you're offering? 00:01:22.318 --> 00:01:22.858 Mario: Yeah. 00:01:23.998 --> 00:01:26.068 Come live here and you'll experience 00:01:26.068 --> 00:01:26.788 that dry heat. 00:01:27.513 --> 00:01:28.083 Alan: Sounds good. 00:01:28.383 --> 00:01:29.133 So what one day 00:01:29.878 --> 00:01:30.418 Mario: Yeah. 00:01:32.103 --> 00:01:32.553 Alan: have you been? 00:01:32.883 --> 00:01:33.273 Feeling good? 00:01:34.138 --> 00:01:34.588 Mario: Good. 00:01:34.738 --> 00:01:35.098 Yeah. 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:35.549 Good. 00:01:35.549 --> 00:01:38.556 I have a sort of a big news, big announcement. 00:01:39.156 --> 00:01:39.910 So yeah, 00:01:39.940 --> 00:01:45.885 I recently accepted a, a new role as a software engineer or software 00:01:45.885 --> 00:01:47.839 developer joining a remote team. 00:01:47.869 --> 00:01:48.379 So 00:01:48.469 --> 00:01:50.599 I'll be working remotely a, hundred 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:51.019 percent. 00:01:51.254 --> 00:01:51.764 Alan: Excellent. 00:01:51.764 --> 00:01:52.484 Congratulations. 00:01:52.729 --> 00:01:53.239 Mario: Thank you. 00:01:53.534 --> 00:01:56.384 Alan: That'll get rid of that nasty, long commute that you are 00:01:56.534 --> 00:01:58.094 increasingly having to do, right? 00:01:58.399 --> 00:01:59.059 Mario: Yes. 00:01:59.059 --> 00:01:59.449 Yes. 00:01:59.449 --> 00:02:00.799 I'm So looking 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:02.479 forward to not having to do that, 00:02:03.744 --> 00:02:04.074 Alan: Yeah. 00:02:04.104 --> 00:02:08.079 I mean, I guess this is it does the company, is it entirely remote or is it 00:02:08.217 --> 00:02:08.937 like partially. 00:02:09.202 --> 00:02:10.402 Mario: I think partially. 00:02:10.462 --> 00:02:13.822 Yeah, but a I'm pretty sure a pretty big 00:02:13.852 --> 00:02:14.772 part of the company 00:02:14.782 --> 00:02:15.592 is remote. 00:02:15.887 --> 00:02:16.877 Alan: Okay, cool. 00:02:16.907 --> 00:02:17.177 Yeah. 00:02:17.207 --> 00:02:20.974 I mean, it's it's, I think it's just going to keep getting more and more like people 00:02:21.034 --> 00:02:23.194 are going to be looking for this as a 00:02:23.584 --> 00:02:25.804 you know, not even a nice to have. 00:02:25.804 --> 00:02:26.554 It's like essential. 00:02:26.554 --> 00:02:27.424 You gotta be remote. 00:02:27.424 --> 00:02:29.465 or else it's not something that gets considered. 00:02:29.485 --> 00:02:29.745 Right, 00:02:29.830 --> 00:02:30.250 Mario: Yeah. 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:30.640 Yeah. 00:02:30.640 --> 00:02:32.260 Especially in our line of work. 00:02:32.260 --> 00:02:39.490 I mean, it's so it's so ubiquitous and, you know, it's, it's, it's possible 00:02:39.490 --> 00:02:44.208 because of the nature of the work it's just lends itself to being able to do it 00:02:44.208 --> 00:02:44.808 remotely. 00:02:44.838 --> 00:02:45.858 You know, it's just, 00:02:46.173 --> 00:02:46.683 Alan: Exactly. 00:02:46.848 --> 00:02:51.779 Mario: you know writing code and and technology has come a long way in 00:02:51.779 --> 00:02:53.721 terms of, you know, communication, 00:02:54.098 --> 00:02:55.178 as we can experience 00:02:55.178 --> 00:02:55.478 here. 00:02:55.578 --> 00:02:56.148 Alan: Absolutely. 00:02:56.148 --> 00:02:59.238 Well, I mean, I'm kind of, You know, I have a, you know, a little 00:02:59.238 --> 00:03:01.908 bit of an interest in this myself, as you think, if you noticed, 00:03:01.908 --> 00:03:03.333 but yeah, I think it's, 00:03:03.333 --> 00:03:08.356 It, what was kind of ex not extreme, but it was on the edge of what 00:03:08.356 --> 00:03:11.266 people were willing to accept few years ago with work styles. 00:03:11.266 --> 00:03:12.826 Now it's, it's just normal. 00:03:12.826 --> 00:03:13.096 Right. 00:03:13.156 --> 00:03:17.506 And I think companies are going to find it harder and harder if they're entirely 00:03:17.506 --> 00:03:21.957 office-based, unless they've got something seriously going for them in terms of 00:03:22.017 --> 00:03:25.887 like, you know, everybody wants to work for this company and thinking, you know, 00:03:25.977 --> 00:03:29.956 apple, Google, and co which will always have people which will be happy to pay 00:03:29.956 --> 00:03:32.429 crazy rents and travel to, to work there. 00:03:32.429 --> 00:03:34.658 Other companies are really going to struggle, I think, in the next few 00:03:34.658 --> 00:03:38.918 years, just because, well, you know, why should I have to put up with that? 00:03:39.188 --> 00:03:41.498 I mean, if you're that way inclined, I mean, there's always going to be people 00:03:41.498 --> 00:03:43.832 who prefer an office and that's cool also. 00:03:43.833 --> 00:03:46.293 But it shouldn't be the only way of working. 00:03:46.993 --> 00:03:47.353 Mario: Yeah. 00:03:47.413 --> 00:03:48.523 And there are certain 00:03:48.703 --> 00:03:51.613 types of jobs that require that you be in person. 00:03:51.613 --> 00:03:51.853 Right. 00:03:51.853 --> 00:03:54.063 So it depends on the the type of jobs. 00:03:54.063 --> 00:03:54.877 So some of those 00:03:54.945 --> 00:03:57.285 are always going to be around and 00:03:57.285 --> 00:03:59.475 people need to be present, but, 00:03:59.625 --> 00:04:01.195 Alan: Staring at JavaScript is not one of them. 00:04:02.205 --> 00:04:02.445 Mario: Yeah. 00:04:03.405 --> 00:04:05.055 Yeah, for sure. 00:04:05.115 --> 00:04:05.355 for 00:04:05.355 --> 00:04:05.745 sure. 00:04:05.745 --> 00:04:06.255 So 00:04:07.255 --> 00:04:11.155 Alan: And plus they don't have to hate your screen when you having to deal with 00:04:11.155 --> 00:04:11.335 it. 00:04:13.475 --> 00:04:14.315 Mario: Yup, Yup, 00:04:16.795 --> 00:04:17.155 Alan: Cool. 00:04:17.195 --> 00:04:17.675 Mario: So 00:04:18.085 --> 00:04:18.805 Alan: Oh, that's great news. 00:04:18.835 --> 00:04:19.195 Excellent. 00:04:19.195 --> 00:04:22.887 So is that cause you have pretty, short notice periods in the U S 00:04:22.887 --> 00:04:23.127 right. 00:04:23.847 --> 00:04:24.057 Mario: yeah. 00:04:24.057 --> 00:04:25.527 the standard is two weeks. 00:04:25.827 --> 00:04:29.967 So yeah, I gave my standard two weeks notice last week. 00:04:29.967 --> 00:04:30.897 So my last 00:04:30.897 --> 00:04:32.967 day is a Wednesday next 00:04:32.967 --> 00:04:33.387 week, 00:04:33.552 --> 00:04:33.732 Alan: so 00:04:33.732 --> 00:04:37.032 the UK has a generally one month notice period, 00:04:37.332 --> 00:04:38.052 which is 00:04:38.082 --> 00:04:42.072 kind of weird because you spend a month kind of going, 00:04:42.150 --> 00:04:42.990 I'm here, but 00:04:43.557 --> 00:04:46.017 like, don't ask me to do anything difficult because you know, it's 00:04:46.017 --> 00:04:48.447 literally just handing over your stuff and then you get that done. 00:04:48.447 --> 00:04:50.517 And then you're like, well, what am I supposed to do now? 00:04:50.517 --> 00:04:52.917 And nobody wants to give you, put you on any work. 00:04:53.067 --> 00:04:54.657 You don't get invited to meetings anyway. 00:04:54.657 --> 00:04:56.307 So because everybody knows you're leaving. 00:04:56.307 --> 00:04:56.997 It's a really 00:04:56.997 --> 00:04:57.627 weird month. 00:04:58.012 --> 00:04:58.702 Mario: it is. 00:04:58.827 --> 00:05:00.687 Alan: I think when I was in the U S I think one of 00:05:00.687 --> 00:05:02.037 the companies was a one week. 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:06.140 And that felt like it was brutal, but it was also like, let's just 00:05:06.140 --> 00:05:07.340 get this over with you're leaving. 00:05:07.370 --> 00:05:09.590 Tell me what you know, that I need to know. 00:05:09.590 --> 00:05:11.180 And then just go, it's all good 00:05:11.180 --> 00:05:11.660 otherwise, 00:05:11.835 --> 00:05:12.735 Mario: yeah, yeah. 00:05:12.830 --> 00:05:13.190 Alan: a month is. 00:05:13.190 --> 00:05:13.400 just 00:05:13.400 --> 00:05:13.760 weird. 00:05:14.295 --> 00:05:14.865 Mario: Yeah, 00:05:14.895 --> 00:05:15.555 it is. 00:05:15.615 --> 00:05:21.195 It's also a weird, the time leading up to, to that when you are, you 00:05:21.195 --> 00:05:25.157 know, searching or mostly after you've accepted an offer somewhere else. 00:05:25.187 --> 00:05:25.487 Right. 00:05:25.487 --> 00:05:29.237 And, and, or you're in the process and it's almost official, 00:05:29.237 --> 00:05:31.187 but it's not for a few days. 00:05:31.187 --> 00:05:32.867 Cause you know, you're waiting 00:05:32.867 --> 00:05:35.127 to make it official and then you're 00:05:35.127 --> 00:05:37.797 at work and they're talking about projects 00:05:37.797 --> 00:05:41.127 coming up and things are going to be doing, and then you're in, in your mind, 00:05:41.127 --> 00:05:42.957 it's like, well, you know, I might not be 00:05:42.957 --> 00:05:44.637 here, but I can't tell you yet. 00:05:45.747 --> 00:05:46.197 Alan: exactly. 00:05:46.197 --> 00:05:49.867 and you're trying not show that to say, you're trying to be like positive, but 00:05:49.887 --> 00:05:51.267 you're thinking, yeah, I don't care. 00:05:51.707 --> 00:05:53.267 Mario: Yeah, exactly. 00:05:54.267 --> 00:05:54.657 Alan: It's very 00:05:54.737 --> 00:05:56.447 Mario: Yeah, So it's yeah, 00:05:56.567 --> 00:05:58.107 Alan: You're halfway out the door anyway. 00:05:58.107 --> 00:05:58.257 Yeah. 00:05:58.257 --> 00:06:00.147 you got your one foot out the door, so that's good. 00:06:00.717 --> 00:06:01.317 Congratulations. 00:06:01.487 --> 00:06:01.667 That's 00:06:01.677 --> 00:06:02.007 really good. 00:06:02.537 --> 00:06:03.047 Mario: Thank you. 00:06:03.077 --> 00:06:03.537 Thank you. 00:06:03.537 --> 00:06:06.346 Alan: Yeah, I've also, we also have school holidays here as well. 00:06:06.346 --> 00:06:10.691 So we have my son running around or just is, it's not exactly disruptive 00:06:10.691 --> 00:06:15.422 or noisy, but it's definitely adds to the slight distraction of not 00:06:15.422 --> 00:06:16.682 being able to concentrate fully. 00:06:17.522 --> 00:06:19.472 I mean, it's also, it's, it's nice. 00:06:19.472 --> 00:06:19.592 you. 00:06:19.592 --> 00:06:21.932 know, it's really cool to have him hanging around too. 00:06:22.028 --> 00:06:25.928 But it's sometimes a little trickier than it is when it's quiet. 00:06:26.943 --> 00:06:27.633 Mario: Yeah. 00:06:27.663 --> 00:06:28.503 How old is your son 00:06:28.503 --> 00:06:28.923 again? 00:06:29.123 --> 00:06:29.423 Alan: 10. 00:06:29.993 --> 00:06:30.743 So Yeah. 00:06:30.753 --> 00:06:34.283 I mean, half the day, he's like, so my friends are on fortnight. 00:06:34.313 --> 00:06:37.443 Is that cool on the, I say no? 00:06:38.123 --> 00:06:41.063 So it, I mean, I think I've mentioned before, it's, it's amazing 00:06:41.063 --> 00:06:45.833 to see how Fortnite has become this like social space for them over the past 18 00:06:45.833 --> 00:06:47.363 months, you know, during the pandemic. 00:06:47.393 --> 00:06:52.791 And it's now we have, you know, 30, 35, 37 degrees temperature 00:06:52.791 --> 00:06:54.141 and blazing sun outside. 00:06:54.141 --> 00:06:57.501 It's like, well, it's probably not the best thing to go and run around 00:06:57.501 --> 00:06:59.451 in a playground at mid date rates. 00:06:59.451 --> 00:07:02.931 So, and I've always spent a, you know, really around your Fortnite is 00:07:02.931 --> 00:07:04.641 probably a little better for his health, 00:07:06.141 --> 00:07:09.141 as you've seen from the, probably the Olympic pain of like trying 00:07:09.141 --> 00:07:13.161 to play tennis and like, you know, 38 degrees temperatures that fun. 00:07:13.731 --> 00:07:14.271 Mario: Brutal. 00:07:14.751 --> 00:07:15.081 Alan: It is 00:07:15.771 --> 00:07:16.221 Mario: Yeah. 00:07:16.311 --> 00:07:16.641 Alan: cool. 00:07:17.901 --> 00:07:18.291 Mario: Yeah. 00:07:18.321 --> 00:07:22.820 So I wanted to share with you also, I couldn't get garage band to 00:07:22.820 --> 00:07:23.300 work. 00:07:23.330 --> 00:07:28.280 I was working on editing some of our past episodes that have been 00:07:28.850 --> 00:07:31.160 queued up and waiting for a while. 00:07:31.640 --> 00:07:32.120 And. 00:07:33.060 --> 00:07:33.660 I mentioned the 00:07:33.660 --> 00:07:33.960 other day. 00:07:33.960 --> 00:07:36.240 I had a, had some trouble with garage band 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:37.275 Alan: Yeah, it just stopped playing. 00:07:37.275 --> 00:07:37.605 Great. 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:38.430 Mario: Yup. 00:07:38.550 --> 00:07:38.820 Yeah. 00:07:38.910 --> 00:07:40.200 Just stopped playing. 00:07:40.230 --> 00:07:43.410 And it, I don't know, there's no sound at all. 00:07:43.410 --> 00:07:48.180 Nothing, everything looks there and I can see the fi you 00:07:48.180 --> 00:07:49.770 know, the tracks and the waves. 00:07:49.820 --> 00:07:53.820 And I played with all kinds of buttons everywhere and, you 00:07:53.820 --> 00:07:56.400 know, trying to figure it out, nothing, nothing. 00:07:56.400 --> 00:07:59.790 I even closed the project completely and started a brand new 00:07:59.790 --> 00:08:04.620 one and brought, you know, audio files over into the project and 00:08:05.190 --> 00:08:06.660 nothing it's just doesn't 00:08:06.660 --> 00:08:07.020 work. 00:08:07.155 --> 00:08:11.565 Alan: Does it work if you come start a completely different audio file or is it 00:08:11.805 --> 00:08:12.435 just nothing? 00:08:12.770 --> 00:08:15.290 Mario: no, it's just nothing, even if it's, I mean, if it's 00:08:15.290 --> 00:08:16.670 a completely different file, 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:17.540 nothing. 00:08:17.780 --> 00:08:18.320 So 00:08:19.190 --> 00:08:20.120 I don't know what it is. 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.470 I decided to just bail out on garage band. 00:08:24.470 --> 00:08:26.330 I don't have time to be dealing with that. 00:08:26.330 --> 00:08:29.820 So I gave Descript to try again. 00:08:29.837 --> 00:08:31.637 I did try it before, one time. 00:08:32.647 --> 00:08:36.017 And I, it's a great service and it's a great tool. 00:08:36.017 --> 00:08:40.277 I was very impressed, but it also, in some ways kind of 00:08:40.277 --> 00:08:45.047 clunky and it to kind of gets, it takes a little bit of 00:08:45.047 --> 00:08:45.827 getting used to, 00:08:45.902 --> 00:08:46.322 Alan: it does. 00:08:46.472 --> 00:08:46.742 Yes. 00:08:47.507 --> 00:08:51.677 Mario: and I, I guess it didn't help the first time I tried it, I was 00:08:51.677 --> 00:08:53.507 editing a video and not just audio, 00:08:54.077 --> 00:08:56.327 so it was kind of weird. 00:08:56.512 --> 00:08:57.022 Alan: Yeah. 00:08:57.082 --> 00:08:59.512 it is a bit weird it's better when it's just audio. 00:08:59.542 --> 00:08:59.722 Yeah. 00:08:59.722 --> 00:09:00.762 When I've tried it with 00:09:00.902 --> 00:09:02.782 video as well, because obviously it's cutting and 00:09:02.902 --> 00:09:04.042 chopping and slicing. 00:09:04.042 --> 00:09:06.682 So the video ends up just like that I can't deal with 00:09:06.682 --> 00:09:06.802 that. 00:09:07.527 --> 00:09:08.037 Mario: Yeah. 00:09:08.067 --> 00:09:12.387 yeah, So it, it chops off parts of the video in awkward ways 00:09:12.387 --> 00:09:13.827 that you don't really want them. 00:09:14.097 --> 00:09:17.667 So this time I try to with audio editing a couple 00:09:17.667 --> 00:09:22.362 of episodes of from our recordings and it worked really great. 00:09:22.362 --> 00:09:23.662 I really, really liked it. 00:09:23.673 --> 00:09:24.613 It was a much better 00:09:24.613 --> 00:09:25.213 experience. 00:09:25.243 --> 00:09:25.663 Just 00:09:26.323 --> 00:09:27.163 editing audio. 00:09:27.193 --> 00:09:27.253 Yeah. 00:09:27.548 --> 00:09:30.878 Alan: Yeah, it's just such, such a time-saver. 00:09:30.878 --> 00:09:36.068 I mean, you know, the, the magic remove ums and uhs is like 00:09:37.573 --> 00:09:38.053 Mario: Yeah, 00:09:38.288 --> 00:09:39.078 Alan: knowing I am an 00:09:39.128 --> 00:09:41.378 um and uhrer is. 00:09:41.468 --> 00:09:41.858 Yeah. 00:09:41.888 --> 00:09:42.518 It's just like, yeah. 00:09:42.548 --> 00:09:42.998 Get rid of that. 00:09:42.998 --> 00:09:44.438 Make me sound a little bit more intelligent. 00:09:46.823 --> 00:09:47.303 Mario: Yeah. 00:09:47.333 --> 00:09:47.603 Yeah. 00:09:47.603 --> 00:09:49.283 It's a, it's a, it's a great tool. 00:09:49.703 --> 00:09:53.529 And I like the the graphical interface as well, where you can just 00:09:53.589 --> 00:09:58.959 drag parts of the audio and just remove long pauses or 00:09:59.011 --> 00:10:00.331 overwrite, you know, certain 00:10:00.451 --> 00:10:02.551 parts from, by just dragging to the 00:10:02.551 --> 00:10:02.971 left 00:10:03.131 --> 00:10:06.521 Alan: and just re yeah, like I did some stuff where I rearranged stuff. 00:10:06.521 --> 00:10:08.831 It was just, I want to say this before that. 00:10:08.891 --> 00:10:11.861 And it's like, that's crazy easy to be able to do. 00:10:12.481 --> 00:10:12.601 Mario: Yeah. 00:10:12.881 --> 00:10:14.981 Alan: Like it's I think, you know, it's, 00:10:15.641 --> 00:10:18.371 it's got some way to go in some ways, you know, you can imagine, 00:10:18.671 --> 00:10:21.451 you know, where it might be in one or two years, but right now it's, 00:10:21.451 --> 00:10:23.531 it's really powerful for, for audio. 00:10:23.531 --> 00:10:25.691 Just, just as a massive time-saving device, more 00:10:25.691 --> 00:10:26.201 than anything. 00:10:27.201 --> 00:10:27.681 Mario: Yeah. 00:10:28.071 --> 00:10:28.431 Yeah. 00:10:28.431 --> 00:10:33.321 I think some of the work, mostly it needs to be on, on the user interface 00:10:33.351 --> 00:10:36.081 and the, you know, the usability of It 00:10:36.141 --> 00:10:38.601 where sometimes It gets a little clunky, but. 00:10:38.861 --> 00:10:40.472 Alan: It feels a little Yeah. 00:10:40.712 --> 00:10:41.232 JavaScript-y. 00:10:41.252 --> 00:10:41.732 It's, it's 00:10:41.732 --> 00:10:45.202 that weird, not in proper native app things. 00:10:45.202 --> 00:10:48.272 So some things yeah you end up selecting the page as opposed 00:10:48.272 --> 00:10:49.442 to some text and it's like, 00:10:49.447 --> 00:10:51.407 Mario: Yeah, Yeah, yeah. 00:10:51.417 --> 00:10:52.377 I'd run into that. 00:10:53.127 --> 00:10:56.157 And it's like, oh no, you know, I didn't want me to do that. 00:10:56.157 --> 00:11:02.817 So it took some getting used to as well, but overall, the, the technology 00:11:02.817 --> 00:11:05.307 behind it is so powerful and so cool. 00:11:05.517 --> 00:11:06.297 I love it. 00:11:06.597 --> 00:11:10.991 So I'm thinking about paying for the you know, paid service to be 00:11:10.991 --> 00:11:12.791 able to do more editing with it. 00:11:12.791 --> 00:11:14.121 Cause right now it's just the 00:11:14.181 --> 00:11:15.281 free, you know, tier 00:11:15.281 --> 00:11:15.391 Alan: right 00:11:15.391 --> 00:11:15.776 Yeah, yeah. 00:11:15.836 --> 00:11:15.956 Yeah. 00:11:15.956 --> 00:11:17.876 I managed to scrape under the free tier 00:11:17.906 --> 00:11:18.476 but Yeah. 00:11:19.376 --> 00:11:21.686 if we need to split any costs for this, obviously just 00:11:22.781 --> 00:11:26.651 Mario: because, well, I was thinking, you know, what, if we hire someone 00:11:26.651 --> 00:11:30.851 to edit the episodes, but that can be really pricey, you know, per episode. 00:11:31.211 --> 00:11:34.345 And so, well, I was thinking, what are other ways. 00:11:35.007 --> 00:11:38.037 we could spend money on, but not as expensive. 00:11:38.367 --> 00:11:38.517 And 00:11:38.517 --> 00:11:43.377 maybe Descript is, one way to do it where we could pay, but it's not, it's not that 00:11:43.377 --> 00:11:45.117 expensive compared to having an 00:11:45.117 --> 00:11:45.567 editor, 00:11:45.807 --> 00:11:46.107 Alan: Right. 00:11:46.137 --> 00:11:46.617 Exactly. 00:11:46.677 --> 00:11:47.217 Mario: at least for 00:11:47.217 --> 00:11:47.547 now, 00:11:47.577 --> 00:11:47.877 you know, 00:11:47.877 --> 00:11:49.647 it's just, it's like a middle ground. 00:11:49.952 --> 00:11:51.602 Alan: until, you know, the sponsorships are 00:11:51.602 --> 00:11:52.442 rolling in and 00:11:52.527 --> 00:11:53.047 Mario: Oh yeah, 00:11:53.547 --> 00:11:54.057 yeah, 00:11:54.272 --> 00:11:56.582 Alan: well, I I'm expecting Fusioncast to be the primary 00:11:56.582 --> 00:11:56.972 sponsor. 00:11:56.972 --> 00:11:57.152 Right. 00:11:57.727 --> 00:11:58.027 Mario: yeah. 00:11:58.027 --> 00:11:58.327 Right. 00:11:59.197 --> 00:11:59.797 Of course, 00:12:00.422 --> 00:12:01.172 Alan: I think it already is. 00:12:02.942 --> 00:12:03.482 I think that 00:12:03.482 --> 00:12:03.662 the. 00:12:04.207 --> 00:12:05.437 Mario: And what about dot plan 00:12:05.687 --> 00:12:06.367 Alan: Oh, obviously 00:12:06.367 --> 00:12:07.627 Mario: DotPlan.io. 00:12:09.317 --> 00:12:09.707 Alan: it's funny. 00:12:09.707 --> 00:12:14.043 My son keeps like doing he's like, I think, I don't know if it says a as 00:12:14.043 --> 00:12:20.253 big a thing there, but for Japanese TV commercials are, and for any brand they 00:12:20.253 --> 00:12:26.682 have like a, a signature like sound or jingle it's, it's almost like a, you 00:12:26.682 --> 00:12:30.462 know, like Intel has that ding, ding, ding, ding at the end, every brand has 00:12:30.462 --> 00:12:32.952 something at the end of a commercial here. 00:12:33.162 --> 00:12:37.032 So whether it's for toilet paper or whether it's for, you know, 00:12:37.062 --> 00:12:41.685 face cream or whatever, they all have their brands sound logo. 00:12:41.699 --> 00:12:42.809 I don't know what they're called. 00:12:42.911 --> 00:12:43.721 Mario: Ringtone or 00:12:43.721 --> 00:12:44.141 something. 00:12:44.156 --> 00:12:44.876 Alan: yeah. 00:12:44.906 --> 00:12:46.556 And they're incredibly powerful. 00:12:46.556 --> 00:12:50.292 I mean like that Intel one is probably the best example I can think of in the 00:12:50.292 --> 00:12:52.284 in, in the English advertising world. 00:12:52.301 --> 00:12:54.011 So everything has on here. 00:12:54.821 --> 00:12:57.611 It was like going up with ones for, for dot plan and I'm like, yeah, I'm 00:12:57.611 --> 00:12:58.811 going to, one of these is going to stay. 00:13:00.531 --> 00:13:00.681 stick. 00:13:01.056 --> 00:13:01.566 Mario: Nice. 00:13:02.736 --> 00:13:03.126 Nice. 00:13:03.126 --> 00:13:04.006 Yeah, you got to have. 00:13:04.026 --> 00:13:04.866 You got to have it 00:13:05.061 --> 00:13:05.731 Alan: Absolutely. 00:13:06.081 --> 00:13:07.151 Mario: you're in Japan. 00:13:07.176 --> 00:13:07.566 So 00:13:08.381 --> 00:13:09.821 Alan: I was like, what is weird here? 00:13:09.851 --> 00:13:12.521 I don't know if I've mentioned before, but it's almost like a 00:13:12.521 --> 00:13:17.211 Rite of passage for startups for, they advertise on TV big time. 00:13:17.225 --> 00:13:22.599 And it's, I think there's a point when you get like funding you do a TV, 00:13:22.599 --> 00:13:24.399 commercial, or a cm as they call it here. 00:13:24.442 --> 00:13:24.762 And it's. 00:13:25.537 --> 00:13:29.317 It's weird because some of the strangest things which are like, why 00:13:29.317 --> 00:13:30.697 the hell are they advertised on TV? 00:13:30.697 --> 00:13:32.947 It doesn't seem to fit that profile. 00:13:33.187 --> 00:13:37.237 But when You consider like the buying patterns, especially if like any kind of 00:13:37.237 --> 00:13:43.627 business apps, that's the person who has to decide on it might be a TV watcher. 00:13:43.657 --> 00:13:46.627 As in it might be an older guy that's running the company. 00:13:46.627 --> 00:13:49.117 When someone says, you know, we want to pay for this. 00:13:49.117 --> 00:13:50.857 He's like, oh, I've seen the TV advert. 00:13:50.867 --> 00:13:51.667 So Yeah. 00:13:51.697 --> 00:13:51.997 Okay. 00:13:52.447 --> 00:13:56.456 So I think it's that some recognition that they need to show that they're 00:13:56.456 --> 00:14:00.146 a real company and not just some fly by night internet thing. 00:14:00.172 --> 00:14:01.698 But it's, it's weird. 00:14:01.698 --> 00:14:06.228 Some of the startups that advertise, Hey, you're like really, you need a TV ad. 00:14:06.798 --> 00:14:07.647 It's it's quite bizarre. 00:14:10.077 --> 00:14:13.497 Hmm, because in the UK, at least when I left the UK, the internet 00:14:13.497 --> 00:14:14.997 companies didn't advertise on TV. 00:14:15.137 --> 00:14:19.587 Why would they, they have like this massive market of people spending 00:14:19.587 --> 00:14:20.907 all of their times on their phone. 00:14:20.907 --> 00:14:23.487 Why would you have, you know, why would you advertise on the 00:14:23.487 --> 00:14:24.057 old media, 00:14:24.522 --> 00:14:25.092 Mario: yeah. 00:14:25.142 --> 00:14:25.862 yeah. 00:14:25.962 --> 00:14:27.822 It doesn't, it doesn't make much sense. 00:14:28.242 --> 00:14:29.052 It's kind of weird. 00:14:29.367 --> 00:14:29.607 Alan: Hmm. 00:14:30.117 --> 00:14:30.267 Yeah, 00:14:31.567 --> 00:14:34.237 Mario: Yeah, I don't, I don't watch that much TV, so I don't know what the 00:14:34.237 --> 00:14:38.917 landscape looks like nowadays on TV, like regular TV, you know, I'm usually, 00:14:38.917 --> 00:14:40.257 if I, if we watch something it's 00:14:40.257 --> 00:14:43.147 Netflix or, you know, one of those paid subscriptions 00:14:43.277 --> 00:14:44.052 Alan: Well, that's my point. 00:14:44.052 --> 00:14:44.712 Yeah, exactly. 00:14:44.712 --> 00:14:47.893 Who, who watches broadcast TV now it's it 00:14:48.413 --> 00:14:48.923 is weird. 00:14:48.990 --> 00:14:50.065 So my, my, 00:14:51.175 --> 00:14:52.645 this is my interpretation of it. 00:14:52.645 --> 00:14:55.765 It must be people, the people who are watching broadcast TV are 00:14:55.975 --> 00:14:58.705 probably the people who are going to have to sign off on something. 00:14:59.125 --> 00:15:02.365 So getting their recognition of like, oh yeah, I've heard of this thing. 00:15:02.365 --> 00:15:06.175 It's yeah, it has that famous actor telling me it's good. 00:15:06.175 --> 00:15:07.975 So therefore it must be okay. 00:15:08.210 --> 00:15:08.810 Mario: yeah, 00:15:08.870 --> 00:15:09.200 yeah, 00:15:10.285 --> 00:15:11.665 Alan: Advertising is weird to me. 00:15:11.665 --> 00:15:12.175 I don't, know. 00:15:12.295 --> 00:15:13.665 I don't understand it at all 00:15:15.560 --> 00:15:16.070 Mario: yeah. 00:15:16.310 --> 00:15:16.730 Yeah. 00:15:17.215 --> 00:15:17.635 Alan: we need to 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:21.510 Mario: Well, what else is new with you? 00:15:21.511 --> 00:15:21.931 Alan: It's. 00:15:21.931 --> 00:15:23.843 I had an interest in a couple of meetings this week. 00:15:23.843 --> 00:15:25.223 This week has been a strange one. 00:15:25.297 --> 00:15:27.893 I had you know, I go to the startup 00:15:28.463 --> 00:15:30.143 hub, stuck caffeine in town. 00:15:31.018 --> 00:15:35.278 So they contacted me a few weeks ago and asked if I would like some mentoring 00:15:35.278 --> 00:15:41.308 sessions and I'm like, well, I'm always interested in anything get any extra 00:15:41.308 --> 00:15:44.008 brain that can give me some feedback. 00:15:44.008 --> 00:15:44.938 I'm happy to hear. 00:15:45.388 --> 00:15:49.558 So there's actually, there were two separate events, but they 00:15:49.558 --> 00:15:52.613 ended up being one day after each other when they actually occurred. 00:15:52.973 --> 00:15:57.026 So the first one was it's a guy who, who lives here. 00:15:57.132 --> 00:16:00.102 I'm not sure if it's nationalities, you're repeating some kind. 00:16:00.108 --> 00:16:02.534 And so he ran a company here. 00:16:03.374 --> 00:16:06.303 Grew massively doing backup software, I think. 00:16:06.362 --> 00:16:10.382 And so he seems to have quite a lot of experience with growing 00:16:10.892 --> 00:16:15.494 and taking investment and exiting and things with con startup. 00:16:15.524 --> 00:16:19.458 So I spent half an hour, 45 minutes talking to him just about. 00:16:20.188 --> 00:16:20.908 And what we were doing. 00:16:21.118 --> 00:16:24.958 so it, I didn't know, going in what exactly his experience was. 00:16:24.958 --> 00:16:29.278 So it's difficult to know what to ask for feedback on, but it ended up 00:16:29.278 --> 00:16:33.088 kind of being almost like a bit of a therapy session in terms of it's 00:16:33.088 --> 00:16:34.528 like, well, why are you doing this? 00:16:34.528 --> 00:16:36.268 What's the what's your goal? 00:16:36.268 --> 00:16:37.708 What do you hope to achieve for this? 00:16:37.708 --> 00:16:43.888 You know, like and so it ended up me almost reiterating or clarifying 00:16:44.208 --> 00:16:47.068 what my, my hope is for the product. 00:16:47.368 --> 00:16:49.678 And it's like well, you know, are you looking for investment? 00:16:49.708 --> 00:16:50.578 Well, not really. 00:16:50.578 --> 00:16:51.268 Well, why not? 00:16:51.358 --> 00:16:54.448 And what if you did, what would you do with it? 00:16:54.448 --> 00:16:57.028 And if you don't, why do you think you can get to? 00:16:57.208 --> 00:17:00.868 So it ended up becoming a bit of a, a therapy session rather than 00:17:00.868 --> 00:17:04.217 a and product feedback session which was, which was interesting. 00:17:04.217 --> 00:17:05.267 I mean, just having that. 00:17:06.562 --> 00:17:09.412 Experienced somebody else who you don't know. 00:17:09.412 --> 00:17:11.722 I mean, it's different when you talk to people that you already 00:17:11.722 --> 00:17:14.812 have a relationship with you, they already know what you're 00:17:14.812 --> 00:17:16.082 like and what you're going for. 00:17:16.116 --> 00:17:20.235 But when it's somebody who you have no previous interaction with it was, 00:17:20.295 --> 00:17:24.585 it was interesting hearing myself justify why I'm doing what I'm doing. 00:17:25.005 --> 00:17:28.995 And also the things like you do realize this is kind of a big 00:17:29.025 --> 00:17:31.095 thing to try to do on your own. 00:17:31.125 --> 00:17:35.834 I, mean, if if I was doing a you know, obviously a micro SaaS something that 00:17:35.834 --> 00:17:40.814 is, it's a product that you can sell for $10 a month, and then you can, you 00:17:40.814 --> 00:17:45.014 know, sell a product or live, you know, hit some MMR that you're happy with. 00:17:45.194 --> 00:17:48.434 But what you're trying to do is something that leads itself to 00:17:48.434 --> 00:17:52.034 expansion, just because, you know, you're effectively, your, your ultimate 00:17:52.034 --> 00:17:54.134 aim would be selling it to enterprises. 00:17:54.134 --> 00:17:56.444 And you're not going to do that as a solo founder. 00:17:56.444 --> 00:17:56.834 Right. 00:17:57.614 --> 00:18:02.968 And so it's, it was kind of interesting to hear it spelled out 00:18:02.994 --> 00:18:07.884 and, and I kind of knew these things, but having someone get me to talk 00:18:07.884 --> 00:18:09.564 through it was, was, was interesting. 00:18:09.564 --> 00:18:14.604 And it kind of raised some of the thoughts in my mind as to, you know, what okay. 00:18:14.634 --> 00:18:18.834 If those things are, where it would kind of ultimately end up, where 00:18:18.834 --> 00:18:20.844 do I want to see myself in that? 00:18:20.844 --> 00:18:25.524 And what's my six month goal with trying to do I want to head for that 00:18:25.524 --> 00:18:29.964 or do I scale back some of the, the goals and try to be a little bit 00:18:29.964 --> 00:18:32.806 more focused on a particular segment. 00:18:32.806 --> 00:18:38.198 So, you know, say for instance, you know, smaller on the smaller SME side so that, 00:18:38.198 --> 00:18:41.178 that was kind of a, it was worthwhile, it was definitely worthwhile doing. 00:18:41.988 --> 00:18:47.209 And obviously his biggest feedback product-wise was, you know, focus on 00:18:47.209 --> 00:18:51.409 this in terms of product growth and marketing wise was, you know, just focus 00:18:51.409 --> 00:18:56.419 on trying to do it like a London expand kind of idea, you know, get a team of 00:18:56.419 --> 00:18:58.249 three people in the company using it. 00:18:58.609 --> 00:19:00.559 And hopefully it will grow from there. 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:05.899 You know, don't try to sell from the top, just try to sell from what my network 00:19:05.899 --> 00:19:12.649 is, which is smaller, not smaller, but developers and engineering teams that 00:19:12.649 --> 00:19:16.669 might be within a larger organization that they might not be able to influence 00:19:16.789 --> 00:19:19.039 the company as a whole initially. 00:19:19.339 --> 00:19:23.659 But if they can use it internally for that small team, then it might grow. 00:19:23.682 --> 00:19:27.124 And so that was his, and they had similar success with their 00:19:27.124 --> 00:19:31.048 products and he said, it's you know, I, you, you can think of any. 00:19:31.738 --> 00:19:36.208 Bigger engineering based SAS, that they probably all start 00:19:36.688 --> 00:19:37.768 in a similar kind of way. 00:19:37.768 --> 00:19:38.038 Right. 00:19:38.818 --> 00:19:43.828 You know, it'll be three people in a bigger team using it because it's 00:19:43.828 --> 00:19:47.848 convenient and it's low cost and someone can stick it on their expenses and it's 00:19:47.848 --> 00:19:49.668 no big deal versus trying to get, you? 00:19:49.668 --> 00:19:53.658 know, top down buy in, which is, you know, requires sales teams and whatnot. 00:19:53.658 --> 00:19:59.621 So just at least making me concentrate on that from a a growth strategy 00:19:59.621 --> 00:20:04.271 or at least a sales strategies is definitely makes sense. 00:20:04.271 --> 00:20:09.087 And it should be probably what I'm trying to focus rather than trying to sell big. 00:20:09.887 --> 00:20:10.307 Mario: Yeah. 00:20:10.577 --> 00:20:12.377 Alan: Um, and the other one was a 00:20:12.377 --> 00:20:16.440 This two people, they, the Japanese founders, they sold 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:18.485 their startup a few years ago. 00:20:18.500 --> 00:20:24.000 It was a beautician job network, I think like a freelancing beautician. 00:20:24.033 --> 00:20:24.573 Service. 00:20:24.963 --> 00:20:28.367 So they founded that I think like eight or nine years ago, and 00:20:28.367 --> 00:20:29.610 they extended a few years ago. 00:20:29.675 --> 00:20:34.445 And so now they're investing and mentoring Japanese startups, and they've got 00:20:34.445 --> 00:20:37.235 like 20 startups on their portfolio. 00:20:37.655 --> 00:20:39.605 And so I met with one of them. 00:20:39.875 --> 00:20:42.981 And so she was which was interesting because she doesn't 00:20:42.981 --> 00:20:46.881 speak English at least a little tiny bit of understanding English. 00:20:46.922 --> 00:20:50.309 And obviously my Japanese is, is up and coming, shall we say? 00:20:50.337 --> 00:20:55.447 So one of the people from FDN he was there to help me with the translation, 00:20:55.447 --> 00:21:00.067 but it was also interesting for me because I, I, I got to it probably 00:21:00.067 --> 00:21:02.377 the most Japanese I've used in a. 00:21:02.842 --> 00:21:04.812 in context with somebody, I don't know. 00:21:04.812 --> 00:21:06.642 I mean, you know, I have Japanese lessons. 00:21:06.642 --> 00:21:10.362 I will, you know, I can get by in daily life, but in a business 00:21:10.362 --> 00:21:14.832 context, it's always been, I've never been the, the main speaker. 00:21:14.832 --> 00:21:17.772 It's just, I can understand, but I never really speak that much. 00:21:17.772 --> 00:21:22.422 So it was probably the first time when I was sat in a room with somebody that 00:21:22.872 --> 00:21:25.272 doesn't speak English in a business sense. 00:21:25.332 --> 00:21:30.342 And I had to try as hard as I could in Japanese and then fill in the 00:21:30.342 --> 00:21:31.786 blanks with the the translator. 00:21:32.026 --> 00:21:34.186 So that was an interesting experience. 00:21:34.186 --> 00:21:34.406 And 00:21:34.906 --> 00:21:35.206 Mario: Wow. 00:21:35.436 --> 00:21:37.336 Alan: it's interesting. 00:21:38.476 --> 00:21:39.196 Mario: How did it go? 00:21:39.196 --> 00:21:39.856 Alan: It went well. 00:21:39.856 --> 00:21:40.426 So, Yeah. 00:21:40.456 --> 00:21:40.796 she, 00:21:40.796 --> 00:21:44.800 She gave some interesting feedback with regards to how Japanese enterprise. 00:21:45.850 --> 00:21:48.282 Would see it and take it and what their, 00:21:48.353 --> 00:21:51.653 What their concerns might be, which is kind of valid because obviously, 00:21:51.713 --> 00:21:52.673 you know, Japanese selling. 00:21:52.673 --> 00:21:56.783 So Japanese business versus a Western one is, is definitely a different tactic. 00:21:56.850 --> 00:22:01.735 So she gave some interesting feedback on what, you know, what, what some of the 00:22:01.735 --> 00:22:06.325 language we're using and what not to focus on and what to downplay a little bit. 00:22:06.354 --> 00:22:10.964 And also some competitors that maybe worth looking at for how they 00:22:10.964 --> 00:22:13.154 present their, what they're doing. 00:22:13.154 --> 00:22:17.174 I mean, that competitors, in the sense that they're in the HR space and we're 00:22:17.174 --> 00:22:22.861 in the people project space, so similar but different, but just again, they're 00:22:22.861 --> 00:22:27.421 all, it's interesting because they are all going for the top down sales 00:22:27.421 --> 00:22:31.801 strategy, you know, they're selling to the management and, you know, kind of 00:22:31.801 --> 00:22:34.231 how decisions get made here, obviously. 00:22:34.263 --> 00:22:41.496 I I'm still, you know, I th I think going in and trying to sell to the, the, 00:22:41.586 --> 00:22:45.376 the people on the ground is still makes sense as a sales tactic, but it obviously 00:22:45.376 --> 00:22:50.116 might be more difficult to pull off here just because people don't have a expense 00:22:50.476 --> 00:22:52.126 credit card on for their business. 00:22:52.186 --> 00:22:56.593 Whereas I think we've always had in every other Western engineering 00:22:56.593 --> 00:22:59.503 company I've worked for, everyone's got an expense card, whereas it's 00:22:59.503 --> 00:23:01.063 just doesn't really happen here. 00:23:01.155 --> 00:23:01.725 Mario: Interesting. 00:23:01.925 --> 00:23:06.111 Alan: so I mean, a manager might, but it, it would have to still wouldn't 00:23:06.111 --> 00:23:08.031 be on the ground that they can do it. 00:23:08.031 --> 00:23:09.561 So there's a slight difference. 00:23:09.638 --> 00:23:12.122 But I still think that that approach of 00:23:12.148 --> 00:23:16.408 no, I don't want to try and be a Japanese company from a marketing perspective. 00:23:16.408 --> 00:23:23.309 I want to try to show that we're not a a typical company at which, you 00:23:23.309 --> 00:23:28.259 know, I can't pretend to be a Japanese company it's never going to work. 00:23:28.259 --> 00:23:28.469 Right, 00:23:28.469 --> 00:23:32.349 So I might as well play to my strengths, which is it's different, 00:23:32.579 --> 00:23:32.959 Mario: right, that's 00:23:33.919 --> 00:23:36.419 Alan: but it was, it was, yeah, I hope so. 00:23:37.439 --> 00:23:40.680 Time will tell you know, I'm not, I can't, I'm not going to pretend to be something 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:45.750 I'm not, so just be who I am and what I want the company to be and hope that 00:23:45.750 --> 00:23:49.290 that resonates with some people that are looking for something slightly different. 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:50.640 So, but it was useful. 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:50.820 Yeah. 00:23:50.850 --> 00:23:53.996 So they also wanted me to arrange another session next week. 00:23:53.996 --> 00:23:56.955 With the the other founder of this company. 00:23:56.955 --> 00:24:02.115 So he apparently is more marketing focused and he's like more creative 00:24:02.115 --> 00:24:03.495 kind of side of the business. 00:24:03.621 --> 00:24:06.304 So they want to arrange a, another session with him. 00:24:06.313 --> 00:24:09.263 And the interesting question came up was like, oh, you know, 00:24:09.343 --> 00:24:10.674 what's your what's your team? 00:24:10.674 --> 00:24:14.484 Like, you know, having problems, hiring people or kind of managing your team. 00:24:14.484 --> 00:24:16.584 And I'm like, nah, that'd be me. 00:24:18.204 --> 00:24:18.594 I know. 00:24:18.834 --> 00:24:21.974 She's like, but I'm like, Yeah. 00:24:21.974 --> 00:24:30.624 I had designed and built the thing and marketing and yeah, That's all me and I, 00:24:30.624 --> 00:24:31.944 it's kind of, it's a little bit awkward. 00:24:31.944 --> 00:24:32.244 You're like, 00:24:32.244 --> 00:24:33.084 yeah, sorry. 00:24:33.169 --> 00:24:33.649 Mario: Yeah. 00:24:33.716 --> 00:24:36.336 Alan: But and the question was, you know, are you looking for investment? 00:24:36.426 --> 00:24:38.319 And, and I'm like, I don't know. 00:24:38.363 --> 00:24:43.223 Maybe if it, if things work out then possibly, 00:24:44.548 --> 00:24:44.968 Mario: Okay. 00:24:45.713 --> 00:24:46.553 Alan: it's a stranger. 00:24:47.548 --> 00:24:47.818 Mario: Yeah. 00:24:47.818 --> 00:24:49.618 That was going to be my next question. 00:24:49.668 --> 00:24:53.563 Circling back to what you mentioned earlier, you know the question 00:24:53.593 --> 00:24:55.243 being, why are you doing this? 00:24:55.243 --> 00:24:58.517 And, and are you interested in, in funding? 00:24:59.297 --> 00:25:01.667 And so why are you doing 00:25:01.667 --> 00:25:01.937 this? 00:25:02.657 --> 00:25:03.977 are you interested in funding? 00:25:05.257 --> 00:25:05.707 Alan: It's. 00:25:05.767 --> 00:25:09.667 I mean, it was interesting hearing myself, you know, cause this? 00:25:09.667 --> 00:25:10.807 has all been internalized. 00:25:10.807 --> 00:25:13.117 And, I think, you know, when I wrote the business plan, I 00:25:13.117 --> 00:25:13.897 think we've talked about this 00:25:13.897 --> 00:25:14.287 before. 00:25:14.287 --> 00:25:15.907 Just kind of writing in black and, white, 00:25:15.907 --> 00:25:15.997 you 00:25:15.997 --> 00:25:18.877 know, what, what am I trying to achieve here was very helpful. 00:25:19.507 --> 00:25:20.737 And then there, that was a year ago. 00:25:21.037 --> 00:25:24.187 so coming back and somebody saying, well, why are you doing this? 00:25:24.187 --> 00:25:24.457 now? 00:25:24.487 --> 00:25:29.617 And it's the, especially we know with what we were just saying with regards to 00:25:29.617 --> 00:25:33.847 remote work And things is, you know, I really think that there's a better way. 00:25:34.902 --> 00:25:39.132 We're integrating work into your life than traveling an hour and a car and 00:25:39.162 --> 00:25:40.782 sitting in an office for eight hours. 00:25:40.782 --> 00:25:45.643 You know, having done it for so long as in remote work and hybrid work, it 00:25:46.293 --> 00:25:50.293 it's, you know, it always shocks me when, when I did go back to an office for 00:25:50.293 --> 00:25:52.633 eight hours is more like 10 hours a day. 00:25:52.646 --> 00:25:55.976 Just how exhausting, how little time you've got for the rest of 00:25:55.976 --> 00:25:59.096 your life and just how much it impacts your family life and things. 00:25:59.096 --> 00:26:02.306 And I'm like this, this is just unnecessary and okay. 00:26:02.306 --> 00:26:07.786 You know, it's it always felt natural to me to not have to be on a nine to 00:26:07.816 --> 00:26:11.926 six schedule, but then seeing how the world responded after the pandemic 00:26:11.926 --> 00:26:16.516 that was, you know, well A it's possible, but B it doesn't just work. 00:26:16.756 --> 00:26:20.416 You know, you can't just suddenly become remote overnight and that's it. 00:26:20.416 --> 00:26:23.006 We're all remote and everybody's happy and everything's fine. 00:26:23.026 --> 00:26:24.286 It doesn't just come naturally. 00:26:25.801 --> 00:26:31.208 I really want to, I, I guess my, my bigger goal you know, th th the more immediate 00:26:31.208 --> 00:26:35.198 is I want to sell software to teams to help them manage their day-to-day, you 00:26:35.198 --> 00:26:40.602 know, working the bigger, the goal in, you know, if I was to have you know, the 00:26:40.772 --> 00:26:45.086 belief sign on the wall it would be, you know, to, to improve people's, you know, 00:26:45.086 --> 00:26:49.514 work life not just the balance, but the way that they work is part of their lives. 00:26:49.514 --> 00:26:52.763 You know, if it's realistically, you know, I'm not going to change that 00:26:52.763 --> 00:26:57.803 overnight, but what I can do is make remote, working more palatable to a more 00:26:57.803 --> 00:27:01.973 accessible to teams that are that have tried it and had problems with it because 00:27:02.213 --> 00:27:07.763 it's difficult and people overcompensate by working too much, they're answering 00:27:07.763 --> 00:27:09.383 slack, you know, 11 o'clock at night. 00:27:09.451 --> 00:27:14.281 I think there's, there's some easy wins by structuring your day and 00:27:14.281 --> 00:27:15.841 structuring how you communicate better. 00:27:16.111 --> 00:27:19.991 And so I'm trying to nibble away at those and just improve the way people 00:27:20.009 --> 00:27:25.469 can, can deal with work and, you know, hopefully that make it bigger 00:27:26.939 --> 00:27:27.599 over time. 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:31.909 So it's a big dream, but I don't know how you know, realistic it is in a short term. 00:27:31.909 --> 00:27:34.099 So, you know, I'm just trying to achieve what I can. 00:27:34.849 --> 00:27:37.099 With me and then see where it goes. 00:27:37.099 --> 00:27:40.429 You know, obviously if things start to stick, then I can start to be a 00:27:40.429 --> 00:27:42.392 little bit more bigger with my plans. 00:27:43.017 --> 00:27:43.407 Mario: right, 00:27:43.442 --> 00:27:44.642 Alan: So do I want investment? 00:27:44.642 --> 00:27:48.002 I it's, I never say never. 00:27:48.002 --> 00:27:48.212 right? 00:27:48.212 --> 00:27:51.726 You know, I, I want to kind of what I don't want to do is take investment too 00:27:51.726 --> 00:27:56.004 early at, which is what I've seen at least take big investment, you know, 00:27:56.004 --> 00:28:01.993 like smaller pre-seed family, friends, rounds is, is no, not our concern. 00:28:01.993 --> 00:28:02.953 Not that doesn't worry me. 00:28:02.953 --> 00:28:05.553 That sounds like, you know not, not something that I 00:28:05.563 --> 00:28:07.715 would worry too much about. 00:28:07.715 --> 00:28:13.004 But you know, taking big VC money would I wouldn't want to take it too early before 00:28:13.004 --> 00:28:14.924 I know that we're on the right, track. 00:28:14.924 --> 00:28:17.264 I know that, you know, part of the reason for taking. 00:28:17.999 --> 00:28:21.899 Bigger investment is so you can learn quicker and iterate quicker, but 00:28:21.948 --> 00:28:26.808 I've also, I've just had too many bad experiences, bad experiences of that. 00:28:26.808 --> 00:28:27.558 Not going well. 00:28:27.681 --> 00:28:32.541 From seeing other people, I'm not saying it has to go badly, but 00:28:32.631 --> 00:28:33.981 I I'm just very cautious of it. 00:28:33.981 --> 00:28:37.521 So, you know, if it was obviously the right. 00:28:37.581 --> 00:28:42.248 match and there was an, an a clear you know, clearly a good relationship 00:28:42.278 --> 00:28:47.288 and something that made sense to me and, and I felt really good about 00:28:47.318 --> 00:28:50.178 then it's definitely possible. 00:28:50.178 --> 00:28:52.530 But I'm just super cautious of it. 00:28:52.530 --> 00:28:59.130 Just having seen how people respond and how people don't deal very well 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.830 with a million dollars appearing in their business bank account. 00:29:02.685 --> 00:29:03.045 Mario: Yeah. 00:29:03.135 --> 00:29:03.465 Yeah. 00:29:04.905 --> 00:29:05.205 Yeah. 00:29:05.205 --> 00:29:05.865 That makes sense. 00:29:05.905 --> 00:29:07.125 I feel the same way. 00:29:07.125 --> 00:29:07.815 I think. 00:29:07.888 --> 00:29:09.268 Like you said, never say never. 00:29:09.328 --> 00:29:11.885 And you know I don't think 00:29:11.885 --> 00:29:17.825 I I would want to get into a situation where I have to take 00:29:17.915 --> 00:29:22.595 investment from big VCs and not the, you know, I don't even know if, 00:29:23.555 --> 00:29:24.665 if my product is, 00:29:25.430 --> 00:29:26.630 Alan: I think you would have no 00:29:26.795 --> 00:29:27.515 Mario: for that, but 00:29:27.560 --> 00:29:28.040 Alan: Yeah. 00:29:28.070 --> 00:29:28.460 Right, right. 00:29:28.940 --> 00:29:30.700 I mean, I think you possibly could. 00:29:30.710 --> 00:29:33.304 There's definitely ways you could, you know phrase 00:29:33.304 --> 00:29:34.804 it that that, could make it 00:29:34.804 --> 00:29:35.134 viable. 00:29:35.134 --> 00:29:35.344 Right. 00:29:35.879 --> 00:29:36.299 Mario: yeah. 00:29:36.329 --> 00:29:41.609 Yeah, probably, but I dunno, I don't, I don't think, I don't think that's a. 00:29:42.659 --> 00:29:44.729 What I need, at least at the moment. 00:29:44.729 --> 00:29:48.529 And like you were saying I wouldn't want to do that prematurely, you know? 00:29:48.582 --> 00:29:54.726 And I think what I need more is time or, you know connections, you know, marketing, 00:29:55.026 --> 00:30:00.336 which yes, that's achievable by having some influx of money, you know, and 00:30:00.336 --> 00:30:02.034 then injecting money into the business. 00:30:02.035 --> 00:30:02.875 But I don't know. 00:30:02.895 --> 00:30:09.454 I think the idea of getting either angel investment or you know, one of 00:30:09.454 --> 00:30:11.015 those tiny seed or one of 00:30:11.015 --> 00:30:11.435 those, 00:30:11.605 --> 00:30:12.165 Alan: Tiny seed. 00:30:12.165 --> 00:30:12.955 This is one of the 00:30:12.955 --> 00:30:13.435 interesting 00:30:13.435 --> 00:30:13.825 ones, right? 00:30:13.825 --> 00:30:14.095 Yeah. 00:30:14.260 --> 00:30:14.830 Mario: Yeah. 00:30:14.890 --> 00:30:15.160 Yeah. 00:30:15.190 --> 00:30:16.910 I think I would be open to that. 00:30:16.951 --> 00:30:17.341 But 00:30:17.371 --> 00:30:20.251 it's still something that I I'm still thinking about. 00:30:20.311 --> 00:30:25.291 And I don't know that I would want to get into that right now. 00:30:25.363 --> 00:30:28.183 Maybe at some point in the future, I've been thinking about 00:30:28.273 --> 00:30:29.563 that lately actually. 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:34.515 Alan: I mean, it's bootstrapping in the, in the sense that we're doing it, which is 00:30:34.515 --> 00:30:37.935 literally like, you know, you're working a full-time job and then 00:30:37.935 --> 00:30:39.255 doing this on the side, he's 00:30:39.495 --> 00:30:39.795 bloody 00:30:39.795 --> 00:30:40.125 hard 00:30:40.765 --> 00:30:41.485 Mario: it is hard 00:30:42.015 --> 00:30:45.842 Alan: not to put it to But it's just time is a killer, right? 00:30:45.842 --> 00:30:47.882 You just don't have enough time to 00:30:47.882 --> 00:30:48.542 focus on it. 00:30:49.052 --> 00:30:49.592 Mario: yeah, 00:30:49.652 --> 00:30:50.132 Yeah. 00:30:50.192 --> 00:30:58.712 And I think it's just setting up your life in a way that you can improve your 00:30:58.712 --> 00:31:04.562 time management and be more efficient with that and, and carve some time out 00:31:04.562 --> 00:31:07.762 of your day to work on it is what I. 00:31:08.802 --> 00:31:09.042 What 00:31:09.042 --> 00:31:13.062 I think is key more than anything else, at least for me at 00:31:13.062 --> 00:31:18.552 this point, you know, it, that's the key to moving forward, not so much 00:31:19.152 --> 00:31:19.812 investment, 00:31:19.962 --> 00:31:20.142 you 00:31:20.242 --> 00:31:20.512 Alan: Right. 00:31:20.582 --> 00:31:20.882 Yes. 00:31:21.522 --> 00:31:21.972 Mario: Yeah, 00:31:22.162 --> 00:31:24.562 Alan: Is that it's just enabling and allowing that. 00:31:24.592 --> 00:31:27.922 And if investment did enable or allow that little bit, I mean, 00:31:27.922 --> 00:31:29.362 you you've taken the step of 00:31:29.452 --> 00:31:33.112 changing, changing your job to make that more feasible. 00:31:33.112 --> 00:31:33.322 Right. 00:31:33.322 --> 00:31:33.832 Because you know? 00:31:33.832 --> 00:31:36.802 if you're driving two hours spending two hours in a car each day, then 00:31:37.102 --> 00:31:40.462 that's literally two hours that you could be working on a fusion 00:31:40.462 --> 00:31:40.942 cast, right? 00:31:41.412 --> 00:31:42.132 Mario: exactly. 00:31:42.132 --> 00:31:45.972 And that's one of the goals, if, you know, if you think about it two hours 00:31:45.972 --> 00:31:48.312 a day, 10 hours a week, at least 00:31:48.707 --> 00:31:49.607 Alan: Th that's a business, right? 00:31:49.902 --> 00:31:50.322 Mario: Yeah. 00:31:50.352 --> 00:31:55.332 That I, that I've, that I'm gaining that I can put into working on, on my project. 00:31:55.342 --> 00:31:57.192 So yeah. 00:31:57.222 --> 00:32:00.162 So that's, I think that's what I. 00:32:00.912 --> 00:32:01.692 On my end. 00:32:01.812 --> 00:32:03.942 I that's, that's what I need, you know? 00:32:03.942 --> 00:32:07.546 And and, and you're probably in a similar situation as well, 00:32:07.582 --> 00:32:10.201 In terms of, cause We're at very similar levels, 00:32:10.536 --> 00:32:10.776 Alan: Yeah. 00:32:10.811 --> 00:32:13.781 Mario: In, in the stage we are at with our projects. 00:32:13.936 --> 00:32:15.106 Alan: So my question to you is 00:32:16.516 --> 00:32:17.986 you asked me, you know, what's my 00:32:17.986 --> 00:32:18.956 like big picture. 00:32:18.986 --> 00:32:19.636 What's my goal. 00:32:19.636 --> 00:32:20.086 I think, 00:32:20.086 --> 00:32:24.526 you know, I kind of know, but to state it for the record, what's your, what's 00:32:24.526 --> 00:32:28.726 your goal to achieve with fusion cast for the next, you know, in, in one year, 00:32:28.726 --> 00:32:30.286 what would be the perfect situation? 00:32:31.441 --> 00:32:36.494 Mario: In one year, I guess the perfect situation would be that 00:32:36.494 --> 00:32:41.169 fusion cast is one of the major goals is to help people, right. 00:32:41.169 --> 00:32:46.395 And, help specifically for podcasters to have a a better experience recording And 00:32:46.395 --> 00:32:50.655 as a business, one of the goals is to obviously make it profitable so we can 00:32:50.655 --> 00:32:54.855 be around for a long time and continue to provide that, those benefits and 00:32:54.855 --> 00:32:57.987 that service and on a personal level, 00:32:58.371 --> 00:33:04.203 it to a point where it's viable enough To support me full-time, so maybe not in a 00:33:04.203 --> 00:33:05.523 year, I don't know how long it's going to 00:33:05.523 --> 00:33:06.497 take, but get it 00:33:06.497 --> 00:33:09.901 to a point where it's generating enough revenue that I can 00:33:10.171 --> 00:33:11.761 go full time with it and, 00:33:11.761 --> 00:33:12.181 be able to 00:33:12.181 --> 00:33:13.321 support myself with it. 00:33:13.586 --> 00:33:17.606 Alan: Do you would you like to hire anybody else to work on it or 00:33:17.606 --> 00:33:19.166 are you how you want to keep it. 00:33:19.196 --> 00:33:20.066 a personal thing? 00:33:21.111 --> 00:33:24.060 Mario: I leaning towards keeping it a personal thing. 00:33:24.110 --> 00:33:28.840 I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind hiring help because I, know I need help in certain 00:33:28.840 --> 00:33:33.678 areas that I'm not good at, or I'm not the best at, you know, one of them being 00:33:33.678 --> 00:33:40.053 marketing or design, you know designing the marketing website or designing 00:33:40.053 --> 00:33:41.943 the user interface for the product. 00:33:41.994 --> 00:33:42.204 I. 00:33:42.529 --> 00:33:46.099 would like at some point to hire help with that, but I 00:33:46.099 --> 00:33:50.519 think I would hire, do it in a more targeted way Hiring contractors, 00:33:50.579 --> 00:33:50.849 Alan: Right. 00:33:50.879 --> 00:33:51.059 Yeah. 00:33:51.059 --> 00:33:51.209 Yeah. 00:33:51.239 --> 00:33:52.559 Just kind of freelance based thing. 00:33:52.589 --> 00:33:52.709 Yeah. 00:33:52.709 --> 00:33:52.889 Yeah. 00:33:52.889 --> 00:33:53.549 That makes sense. 00:33:53.549 --> 00:33:54.029 Makes sense. 00:33:54.329 --> 00:33:54.599 I mean 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.291 it's that, that is 00:33:56.291 --> 00:33:56.484 it's. 00:33:56.874 --> 00:33:59.544 Well, if you think, if you, if you hire somebody suddenly you've doubled 00:33:59.544 --> 00:34:02.754 your, at the amount of money you need to be bringing in every month. 00:34:02.754 --> 00:34:03.024 Right. 00:34:03.085 --> 00:34:07.884 You know, whereas, you know, if you spend, you know, X, thousands of dollars to, you 00:34:07.884 --> 00:34:11.994 know, for somebody to do a job, it's, it's a known quantity that you can budget for. 00:34:11.994 --> 00:34:12.264 Right. 00:34:12.264 --> 00:34:16.281 So I mean, it makes a hell of a difference as to, you know, what kind 00:34:16.281 --> 00:34:18.772 of money that company has to make. 00:34:18.772 --> 00:34:19.012 Right. 00:34:19.012 --> 00:34:21.622 You know, I mean, this is one of the weird things about like 00:34:21.622 --> 00:34:23.362 looking at pricing for it as well. 00:34:23.362 --> 00:34:28.012 It's, you know, I I'm pricing original pricing plan is in, okay. 00:34:28.042 --> 00:34:30.922 Given, you know, a hundred company, a hundred customers with these 00:34:30.922 --> 00:34:32.812 price plans and all the rest and. 00:34:33.582 --> 00:34:37.722 You, you realize that, you know, you, your pricing doesn't have to be high at all. 00:34:37.722 --> 00:34:40.962 Obviously, you know, you can scale the number of customers you get, but 00:34:40.962 --> 00:34:48.372 if, if it effectively takes off, then you don't have to be expensive at all. 00:34:48.582 --> 00:34:52.826 Whereas obviously, you know, the other competition they have to either 00:34:52.826 --> 00:34:58.016 go massive in terms of amount of customers or they have to charge a, lot. 00:34:58.070 --> 00:35:00.900 And it's, I, I kind of miss the, 00:35:00.912 --> 00:35:06.342 Th th the old, old web days of people making things, because they could not 00:35:06.642 --> 00:35:08.532 just so they can become a unicorn. 00:35:08.532 --> 00:35:08.772 Right. 00:35:08.862 --> 00:35:13.662 And so part of me is like, you know, I don't need massive amounts of money. 00:35:13.662 --> 00:35:15.762 I just want to make something that's helpful to people. 00:35:15.762 --> 00:35:21.593 So there's this constant, like balancing like tight wire in my head of like, well, 00:35:22.253 --> 00:35:28.208 I don't want to do it too cheap, but at the same time, You know, I, I don't need 00:35:28.208 --> 00:35:33.188 that much money, obviously right now, it's not making anything, but you know, you 00:35:33.188 --> 00:35:36.668 kind of have to, I think, you know, if you start working on any kind of product, 00:35:37.238 --> 00:35:41.525 you almost have to have this, this future image vision in your head, right. 00:35:41.525 --> 00:35:44.525 You have to be able to visualize where you want it to be. 00:35:44.607 --> 00:35:48.747 And I think if you're not building something, if you're not used to building 00:35:48.747 --> 00:35:53.007 products, it always feels a little like fanciful and far-fetched and, you know, 00:35:53.007 --> 00:35:57.087 we'll have a hundred people paying for it, but I don't think you'll progress 00:35:57.087 --> 00:36:01.452 very far, unless you do have some kind of if you are, if you're not able to, 00:36:01.452 --> 00:36:03.522 visualize what it could be, right. 00:36:03.882 --> 00:36:06.792 You almost have to, be able to, see that in order to work towards it. 00:36:06.792 --> 00:36:07.032 Right. 00:36:07.637 --> 00:36:07.997 Mario: Yeah. 00:36:08.267 --> 00:36:08.687 Yeah, 00:36:09.647 --> 00:36:10.007 yeah. 00:36:10.037 --> 00:36:10.637 I agree. 00:36:10.704 --> 00:36:15.431 I don't, that's one of the things that I think about a lot is you know, how 00:36:15.431 --> 00:36:18.281 much do I really want this to grow? 00:36:18.371 --> 00:36:20.531 You know, and how fast do I want it to grow? 00:36:20.531 --> 00:36:25.601 I rather grow slowly, steady, but slowly and keep it under control. 00:36:25.601 --> 00:36:27.986 And especially if I want to keep it small, 00:36:27.986 --> 00:36:30.446 I want wanna, I want to follow that company of one 00:36:30.446 --> 00:36:30.986 model, 00:36:31.656 --> 00:36:31.926 Alan: I 00:36:32.216 --> 00:36:33.896 Mario: pull Jarvis's company of one. 00:36:33.896 --> 00:36:36.236 I read that book and it's, it's amazing. 00:36:36.596 --> 00:36:38.036 And I love that philosophy 00:36:38.166 --> 00:36:40.586 and that's kinda what I'm aiming for, 00:36:40.676 --> 00:36:41.186 you know? 00:36:41.386 --> 00:36:44.716 Alan: I mean, this is the weird thing about my dream, 00:36:44.776 --> 00:36:47.116 I guess, is that me too, but 00:36:47.866 --> 00:36:51.871 I'm kind of tackling quite a big problem that It seems on the 00:36:51.871 --> 00:36:57.061 outside impossible to do for a solo founder, but I'm like, why not? 00:36:57.061 --> 00:36:58.801 What, what what's okay. 00:36:58.801 --> 00:37:02.491 This there's some technical things, but again, those in terms of you 00:37:02.491 --> 00:37:05.971 know, just support things that, that will become overwhelming at some 00:37:05.971 --> 00:37:09.728 point, but those are things which can easily be outsourced to an extent. 00:37:09.841 --> 00:37:11.011 But yeah, why, why not? 00:37:11.011 --> 00:37:15.661 Why can't I build a product that it can be used by, you know, logical companies 00:37:15.661 --> 00:37:17.851 and things, you know, th there are okay. 00:37:17.851 --> 00:37:20.551 There's, there are limits on my time, but at the same time, it's, 00:37:20.551 --> 00:37:23.311 it's not technically not feasible. 00:37:23.371 --> 00:37:24.896 It's it's definitely possible. 00:37:24.896 --> 00:37:25.856 So yeah, why not? 00:37:25.856 --> 00:37:29.486 So, yeah, I mean, I'm kind of going for the similar steady approach and 00:37:29.486 --> 00:37:32.786 just learn and figure out step by step. 00:37:32.818 --> 00:37:36.714 Just also it's, it's just very fulfilling And very rewarding to do that Right. 00:37:36.714 --> 00:37:40.552 Because it feels like you're constantly improving and and learning and 00:37:41.002 --> 00:37:41.812 Yeah, like 00:37:41.842 --> 00:37:45.078 Mario: Yeah, I was going to say that to your point earlier that it 00:37:45.078 --> 00:37:49.068 is hard to be working on it on the side, working a full-time job and 00:37:49.068 --> 00:37:50.598 just doing this on the spare time. 00:37:50.598 --> 00:37:54.618 But at the same time, yeah, it is really hard, but it's also rewarding. 00:37:54.708 --> 00:37:59.370 And especially, you know once you have, when you start having people 00:37:59.370 --> 00:38:01.400 on board and, having users using 00:38:01.430 --> 00:38:06.369 your, product, it's pretty rewarding to see someone else actually benefiting 00:38:06.369 --> 00:38:10.699 from it and, see it being useful to someone else it's really cool. 00:38:11.089 --> 00:38:11.449 Alan: it really 00:38:11.449 --> 00:38:11.629 is. 00:38:12.319 --> 00:38:15.452 Mario: it fuels your, desire to continue and it gives you more 00:38:15.452 --> 00:38:15.812 energy 00:38:15.902 --> 00:38:17.132 Alan: I mean, having, yeah. 00:38:17.162 --> 00:38:19.742 Having been through, you know, I, I built a number of products 00:38:19.742 --> 00:38:21.152 back in the early two thousands. 00:38:21.238 --> 00:38:22.858 And, then I kinda went through a phase 00:38:22.948 --> 00:38:23.128 in the. 00:38:23.908 --> 00:38:30.088 Mid early, you know, 2000 tens where I wasn't working on any actual products, 00:38:30.088 --> 00:38:32.788 you know, I was, I wasn't even tinkering. 00:38:32.788 --> 00:38:35.968 I was just too busy And, obviously I had a son which kind of took 00:38:35.968 --> 00:38:38.038 a, a major chunk of my time. 00:38:38.038 --> 00:38:42.620 You know, I was working on a book, which I guess counts, but I wasn't working on any 00:38:42.620 --> 00:38:50.030 products and having now started getting back into that again, it's amazing what 00:38:50.030 --> 00:38:55.860 it does for your for your, mood and, for your, like, I'm not sure if it's 00:38:55.890 --> 00:38:58.800 optimism, but it feels like progress. 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.950 It feels I'm much better progress than when I was just working. 00:39:02.018 --> 00:39:05.738 It feels like I'm constantly improving rather than just fighting fires. 00:39:05.782 --> 00:39:08.863 It's it definitely has had a big impact on me. 00:39:09.568 --> 00:39:10.438 My personal mood. 00:39:10.468 --> 00:39:13.618 And for that reason alone, you know, I'd recommend it. 00:39:13.708 --> 00:39:18.208 If anybody who has that inkling, you know, even if it's an open source 00:39:18.208 --> 00:39:21.193 project and you're the only user, it doesn't matter that that, that, that 00:39:21.193 --> 00:39:26.053 isn't the, the, the, the main point, the point is that you're building something 00:39:26.053 --> 00:39:28.093 you're, you're constantly adding. 00:39:28.093 --> 00:39:30.973 And to your knowledge, you're constantly learning how to. 00:39:30.973 --> 00:39:35.080 tackle different technical problems and use that you, you know, UX problems 00:39:35.140 --> 00:39:39.570 and it's, it's just this constant, constant personal improvement that, 00:39:39.570 --> 00:39:44.084 that has a big effect on your your, your mood and your feeling of wellbeing, 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:45.779 Mario: totally. 00:39:45.959 --> 00:39:46.259 Couldn't 00:39:46.294 --> 00:39:48.244 Alan: even if it's sometimes exhausting. 00:39:48.629 --> 00:39:49.019 Mario: Yeah. 00:39:49.259 --> 00:39:49.739 Yeah. 00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:52.079 But yeah, I totally 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:52.499 agree. 00:39:53.579 --> 00:39:54.089 Cool. 00:39:54.749 --> 00:39:55.769 What else do you have? 00:39:56.564 --> 00:39:58.474 Alan: So I've been I got a bunch 00:39:58.474 --> 00:40:00.203 of feature stuff wrapped up. 00:40:00.233 --> 00:40:04.463 I think I mentioned that I had to this timecard feature to dot plan for a client. 00:40:04.733 --> 00:40:05.753 So I basically 00:40:05.753 --> 00:40:08.393 added like editing and things to that, which was. 00:40:09.653 --> 00:40:13.342 I can't, I, as I just was saying it was doing stuff, which I technically, I 00:40:13.342 --> 00:40:17.942 wasn't sure how I would do it in Elixir, just because I've never had to do that. 00:40:17.948 --> 00:40:20.078 Which is, is basically keeping an audit of like 00:40:20.142 --> 00:40:20.996 record changes. 00:40:21.051 --> 00:40:24.599 So if somebody goes and edits a timecard, you want the manager to 00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:26.149 know that they edited the time cut. 00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:26.399 Right? 00:40:26.759 --> 00:40:30.312 So it keeps like a, an audit log of changes to these records. 00:40:30.367 --> 00:40:32.527 Whereas, you know, other cases, it doesn't matter so much. 00:40:32.542 --> 00:40:35.092 You know, if somebody edits their check-in, what's probably cause they made 00:40:35.092 --> 00:40:39.442 a typing typo or they missed something, you don't care about the history, but in 00:40:39.442 --> 00:40:43.402 this case it is a necessary thing to have. 00:40:43.402 --> 00:40:45.708 So I, I know how to do it in rails. 00:40:45.708 --> 00:40:46.218 No big deal. 00:40:46.218 --> 00:40:49.318 I was like, I've never dealt with it in Ecto and Elixir. 00:40:49.338 --> 00:40:51.142 So now I know how to do that, so 00:40:52.292 --> 00:40:52.712 Mario: Nice. 00:40:52.822 --> 00:40:53.242 Alan: that's good. 00:40:53.329 --> 00:40:56.189 And I've had a first, a first go at. 00:40:57.494 --> 00:41:01.814 During the like onboard, welcoming screens, I've rewritten those and got 00:41:01.814 --> 00:41:05.204 those now as like a, a modal, when you first come into the product, there 00:41:05.204 --> 00:41:09.704 is actually now a separate, like a welcome modal that gives, that comes up. 00:41:09.737 --> 00:41:14.240 And there's a second one for when you go onto the, the new check-in page, I've done 00:41:14.240 --> 00:41:18.230 a load of rewording of things that just to tighten things up, tighten up some of 00:41:18.230 --> 00:41:22.280 the word in a reorganized, some of the check-in page to make it just look better. 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.950 I've just resized things just at the spacing. 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:29.690 So there's a lot of tweaking going on, which it it's amazing when you go. 00:41:29.690 --> 00:41:33.440 back to the, just before I deployed it, you know, I've been working on this. 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.908 Full-time like you know, in terms of what I was doing, I was 00:41:36.908 --> 00:41:38.258 working on development version. 00:41:38.258 --> 00:41:41.618 And then I went back to the production version before I deployed it. 00:41:41.618 --> 00:41:44.768 And I'm like, whoa, this looks awful. 00:41:44.777 --> 00:41:48.617 So it it's amazing what difference just changing spacing and. 00:41:49.322 --> 00:41:52.742 So one of the focus, one of the form fields wasn't focusing properly. 00:41:52.742 --> 00:41:57.032 So I fixed that lots of little tiny improvements, but I, for 00:41:57.032 --> 00:41:58.682 me it feels a lot better now. 00:41:58.682 --> 00:42:02.904 So hopefully hopefully people notice, but then, so the next thing now is 00:42:02.904 --> 00:42:06.273 I, just want to now, as these are all kind of ready to roll I just want 00:42:06.273 --> 00:42:10.533 to send out a bunch more invites and I've got no reason to not do it now. 00:42:11.073 --> 00:42:11.373 So 00:42:11.543 --> 00:42:12.053 Mario: right, 00:42:12.623 --> 00:42:13.533 Alan: that's my plan for this. 00:42:13.553 --> 00:42:15.963 This weekend is basically just send out another, like, you know, 00:42:15.993 --> 00:42:20.403 five or six invites and learn what they think about, you know, it'll 00:42:20.403 --> 00:42:23.152 be a different set of feedback, which I think you mentioned before. 00:42:23.152 --> 00:42:27.382 That's what I really want from the next batch is feedback on the changes. 00:42:27.382 --> 00:42:28.792 Not from stuff I already know. 00:42:28.882 --> 00:42:29.062 Right. 00:42:29.332 --> 00:42:29.782 Mario: Yeah. 00:42:29.872 --> 00:42:31.392 are these invites for 00:42:31.392 --> 00:42:34.092 demos or just to, for them to sign up. 00:42:34.202 --> 00:42:34.892 Alan: yeah. 00:42:34.892 --> 00:42:36.022 I, I kind of, I 00:42:36.022 --> 00:42:37.442 I've, I've quit doing the demos now. 00:42:37.472 --> 00:42:40.502 I find it much more useful to, I mean, especially since the 00:42:40.502 --> 00:42:42.632 feedback I want is from people. 00:42:43.707 --> 00:42:46.887 Going through the process of inviting people on onboarding. 00:42:46.957 --> 00:42:50.247 I almost know the problems with that already. 00:42:50.397 --> 00:42:54.117 So therefore I working on trying to improve those things and let them 00:42:54.177 --> 00:42:58.401 just figure it out from themselves, you know, it's I, people don't seem 00:42:58.401 --> 00:43:01.300 to be shy about giving feedback what the depends on the person. 00:43:01.300 --> 00:43:01.510 Right. 00:43:01.510 --> 00:43:06.250 But I'm getting enough feedback from them to make it useful. 00:43:06.430 --> 00:43:10.030 So let's say I want to send out a bunch more and see what they make of it, so. 00:43:10.855 --> 00:43:11.095 Mario: Yeah. 00:43:11.095 --> 00:43:11.755 That makes sense. 00:43:11.785 --> 00:43:16.855 I guess, during the early stages of the product, when it's not quite there yet, 00:43:16.855 --> 00:43:21.685 you kind of need to handle whole people and onboard them and explain to them 00:43:21.685 --> 00:43:24.265 how it works and then you get feedback. 00:43:24.265 --> 00:43:27.745 But then at some point you get, you get the product to the level 00:43:27.745 --> 00:43:29.605 where now you want to test. 00:43:30.365 --> 00:43:35.885 If people can do it themselves and see what kind of feedback comes back 00:43:35.885 --> 00:43:38.075 and wipe what points are confusing 00:43:38.075 --> 00:43:41.555 and what are the pain points in the onboarding process and all that. 00:43:41.555 --> 00:43:46.071 So at some point you have to let go and just, and just, 00:43:46.551 --> 00:43:48.561 you know, have them do it themselves. 00:43:48.741 --> 00:43:49.611 Alan: Yes, exactly. 00:43:49.821 --> 00:43:53.331 And, and I think, you know, to be honest, even fusion costs, I think, 00:43:53.421 --> 00:43:54.441 you know, you, don't kind of at that. 00:43:54.441 --> 00:43:57.651 point now, whereas, you know, especially with your demo video on 00:43:57.651 --> 00:44:00.681 your homepage, you could watch that and that's all you need really. 00:44:00.951 --> 00:44:02.721 There's nothing more than that. 00:44:02.861 --> 00:44:04.101 So Yeah, you have no excuse 00:44:04.101 --> 00:44:04.461 even though. 00:44:05.021 --> 00:44:05.271 Mario: yeah, 00:44:05.271 --> 00:44:05.501 yeah. 00:44:06.551 --> 00:44:07.531 Interesting you mentioned that. 00:44:07.541 --> 00:44:10.481 Cause I was exactly thinking about that. 00:44:11.351 --> 00:44:14.801 Cause I was like, I have that demo on the website now and it's pretty 00:44:14.801 --> 00:44:18.011 much, it's a really quick version of what you can do and what the 00:44:18.011 --> 00:44:20.351 back, management area looks like. 00:44:20.351 --> 00:44:24.938 And I'm like, yeah, I don't, need to be doing these demos anymore, not so much. 00:44:24.984 --> 00:44:27.084 And I have gotten enough feedback that I can 00:44:27.084 --> 00:44:30.327 iterate and yeah, I just, I need to catch up and because my list 00:44:30.327 --> 00:44:33.897 has been growing as I get feedback and I need to catch up with those. 00:44:33.897 --> 00:44:35.094 So yeah, I 00:44:35.144 --> 00:44:35.834 think you're right 00:44:37.694 --> 00:44:38.174 where, 00:44:38.504 --> 00:44:39.074 Alan: out your technical 00:44:39.074 --> 00:44:39.554 problems? 00:44:39.704 --> 00:44:39.974 Is the 00:44:40.154 --> 00:44:43.184 Mario: yeah, And that's part of what I wanted to share with you today 00:44:43.184 --> 00:44:47.287 is I'm working on that fixed for the recording issue that I've had. 00:44:47.317 --> 00:44:51.656 And obviously recording is working really well, but the problem that 00:44:51.656 --> 00:44:55.526 comes up every now and then, which is kind of like an outlier, but at the 00:44:55.526 --> 00:44:58.456 same time, it touches on the core. 00:44:58.536 --> 00:45:02.578 Functionality of the product and I'm not happy about it, you know? 00:45:02.592 --> 00:45:05.562 And actually the one this past week, I onboarded 00:45:05.562 --> 00:45:11.135 one more person And I wonder if she minds, if I give, give her a shout out here on, 00:45:11.855 --> 00:45:12.885 on the podcast. 00:45:12.949 --> 00:45:15.169 Alan: Had the podcast and you probably is very happy for 00:45:15.809 --> 00:45:16.259 Mario: right. 00:45:16.289 --> 00:45:16.829 Yeah, 00:45:16.999 --> 00:45:17.539 Alan: absolutely. 00:45:17.849 --> 00:45:18.239 Mario: sure. 00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:18.569 Yeah. 00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.375 Shout out to Vanessa Colina. 00:45:20.405 --> 00:45:25.529 She she's a, a designer and a graphic designer and podcaster. 00:45:25.579 --> 00:45:30.975 She hosts a a podcast called UX backstage and she agreed 00:45:30.975 --> 00:45:32.985 to have me do a demo for her. 00:45:32.985 --> 00:45:34.005 And so it was 00:45:34.005 --> 00:45:35.655 really interesting and really cool. 00:45:35.707 --> 00:45:40.655 She had a lot of feedback and pretty, neat insights from a designer perspective and, 00:45:40.658 --> 00:45:42.188 User experience perspective 00:45:42.408 --> 00:45:44.088 Alan: And she already has experienced doing 00:45:44.088 --> 00:45:44.538 podcasts. 00:45:44.538 --> 00:45:44.778 Right. 00:45:44.778 --> 00:45:45.138 So she 00:45:45.248 --> 00:45:45.938 Mario: yes. 00:45:46.688 --> 00:45:47.528 Yeah, totally. 00:45:47.528 --> 00:45:48.608 so it was really neat. 00:45:48.608 --> 00:45:53.138 thank you, Vanessa, for making time for that time is our most valuable asset. 00:45:53.138 --> 00:45:58.025 So anytime someone agrees to, spend time for something related 00:45:58.025 --> 00:46:01.985 to what I'm working on is just a gold, I'm so grateful about that. 00:46:02.855 --> 00:46:04.045 Alan: So she has a so 00:46:04.045 --> 00:46:07.873 she has a podcast already, so she's already used to using tools and stuff. 00:46:07.873 --> 00:46:08.143 Right. 00:46:08.143 --> 00:46:11.527 So is she going to try using this for future interviews and 00:46:11.527 --> 00:46:11.827 things? 00:46:11.917 --> 00:46:12.127 Yeah. 00:46:12.342 --> 00:46:12.732 Mario: Yes. 00:46:12.732 --> 00:46:17.608 So she was gonna try it with what she's going to try recording real life, you 00:46:17.608 --> 00:46:22.509 know, one of his, one of her episodes and and provide me with more feedback 00:46:22.509 --> 00:46:26.787 in a more structured way during the demo she did provide valuable feedback. 00:46:26.795 --> 00:46:27.275 But also 00:46:27.275 --> 00:46:30.970 she's going to try it on her own and then, reports on feedback 00:46:30.970 --> 00:46:32.527 in a more structured way later. 00:46:32.527 --> 00:46:33.844 Yeah, so that was great. 00:46:34.389 --> 00:46:36.669 Alan: So you, have you done any work on your, the marketing 00:46:36.669 --> 00:46:38.139 side, your side of things? 00:46:38.759 --> 00:46:40.468 Has this been an engineering session. 00:46:41.118 --> 00:46:44.175 Mario: it has been, but that's part of the problem. 00:46:44.175 --> 00:46:47.805 So I shared with you that I was changing the way I do things and 00:46:47.805 --> 00:46:52.305 spending one week doing, product development and one week doing marketing. 00:46:52.305 --> 00:46:55.155 And I'm sort of getting used to that and 00:46:55.155 --> 00:46:57.975 transitioning still into that, kind of 00:46:57.975 --> 00:46:59.545 work cycle kind of thing. 00:46:59.558 --> 00:47:01.448 So I haven't been very productive this 00:47:01.448 --> 00:47:03.488 week or these, past two weeks actually. 00:47:03.538 --> 00:47:05.728 Alan: we've been kind of getting another job as well. 00:47:05.728 --> 00:47:08.698 So that takes up a lot of brain energy, to be honest. 00:47:09.658 --> 00:47:10.108 Mario: True. 00:47:10.138 --> 00:47:10.528 Yeah. 00:47:10.558 --> 00:47:12.688 That, has had something to do with it. 00:47:12.756 --> 00:47:16.221 Just, yeah, my mind has been in multiple places and one of the 00:47:16.221 --> 00:47:20.277 things though is that I guess these at first I, my idea was to do one 00:47:20.277 --> 00:47:22.720 week cycles, but I don't think that's going to work. 00:47:22.750 --> 00:47:27.580 I think it would also be really nice to make those cycles coincide with 00:47:27.580 --> 00:47:31.780 our meetings, because then I have, these full two weeks, to sort of 00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:34.280 report on and set goals for, and. 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:38.133 Also because one week seems way too short because I'm doing 00:47:38.133 --> 00:47:39.573 this during my spare time. 00:47:39.573 --> 00:47:42.483 one week goes by real quick and I can only dedicate a 00:47:42.483 --> 00:47:44.463 little bit of time every day to the 00:47:44.463 --> 00:47:44.943 project. 00:47:44.943 --> 00:47:45.393 So, 00:47:45.673 --> 00:47:46.723 Alan: on a week by week basis. 00:47:46.723 --> 00:47:49.813 I mean, I've had weeks where I like, like, literally haven't checked 00:47:49.963 --> 00:47:51.043 and I haven't touched the code 00:47:51.073 --> 00:47:53.083 at all just because stuff's been 00:47:53.083 --> 00:47:53.713 happening, right. 00:47:53.973 --> 00:47:54.423 Mario: Yeah. 00:47:54.490 --> 00:47:59.360 so that's been part of, the not making progress in the way I want 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:03.380 it, part of the issue that I've been trying to fix on the product itself. 00:48:03.380 --> 00:48:05.810 I haven't been very clear on how I'm going to fix it. 00:48:05.810 --> 00:48:09.920 part of my mind has been distracted by just thinking about, okay, what 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.680 are the ways that I can tackle this and how can I leverage this, 00:48:13.680 --> 00:48:16.080 technology here or there and do it this way. 00:48:16.080 --> 00:48:16.854 So a lot of 00:48:16.854 --> 00:48:21.082 my time has been consumed by just thinking and strategizing 00:48:21.082 --> 00:48:22.102 and trying to figure it 00:48:22.482 --> 00:48:22.782 Alan: Yeah. 00:48:22.782 --> 00:48:24.162 And I mean, it, it counts and 00:48:24.372 --> 00:48:28.692 this is, I think for somebody who isn't used to development or 00:48:28.692 --> 00:48:31.998 engineering, they kind of kind of dismiss this time Whereas, you know, 00:48:31.998 --> 00:48:33.888 like, well, you haven't, you know, I 00:48:33.888 --> 00:48:36.708 haven't touched this for three weeks and it's like, well, I might've 00:48:36.708 --> 00:48:40.158 written code, but when I do touch it, I know how to write it as opposed 00:48:40.158 --> 00:48:41.598 to before, when I have no idea. 00:48:41.598 --> 00:48:46.698 and that, that, you know, sitting in your brain for a couple of weeks, sometimes 00:48:46.748 --> 00:48:49.818 it's just necessary because otherwise you'll be spinning in circles and just 00:48:49.818 --> 00:48:54.228 wasting time coding when you don't actually understand either the problem 00:48:54.228 --> 00:48:56.178 properly or how you're going to solve it. 00:48:56.225 --> 00:48:57.437 Or, or the consequences of it. 00:48:57.437 --> 00:49:00.077 So, yeah, it's, it's, it's valid. 00:49:00.782 --> 00:49:01.202 Mario: Okay. 00:49:01.262 --> 00:49:01.652 All right. 00:49:01.682 --> 00:49:01.952 All right. 00:49:01.952 --> 00:49:02.822 That makes me feel better. 00:49:03.602 --> 00:49:04.202 I haven't 00:49:04.382 --> 00:49:06.212 Alan: I mean, how many times have, yeah. 00:49:06.242 --> 00:49:09.062 How many times have you, you know, spending hours trying to fix 00:49:09.062 --> 00:49:12.242 something one evening and getting nowhere and literally the next day 00:49:12.242 --> 00:49:14.282 you get up and fix it straight away. 00:49:14.642 --> 00:49:14.852 you know? 00:49:14.882 --> 00:49:18.702 it, it happens to me far too often That you think I've learned by now. 00:49:21.152 --> 00:49:24.242 I just go for a walk and, you know, like listen to some music and then 00:49:24.242 --> 00:49:26.852 you come back at it and you're like, oh, I know how to do this now. 00:49:26.882 --> 00:49:31.052 But whereas before, so it's, it's completely valid and don't 00:49:31.052 --> 00:49:32.312 underestimate the value of it. 00:49:33.852 --> 00:49:34.332 Mario: Totally. 00:49:34.332 --> 00:49:34.752 Thank you. 00:49:34.752 --> 00:49:35.442 Thank you for that. 00:49:35.442 --> 00:49:39.522 Cause yeah, it's, I guess work has been happening, but it's just, it's been in 00:49:39.522 --> 00:49:43.769 my head, and not necessarily writing code and at the same time I've been editing 00:49:43.769 --> 00:49:48.377 episodes and, and making progress in different ways, but a lot of it is not. 00:49:48.714 --> 00:49:49.854 Tangible yet, you 00:49:49.854 --> 00:49:51.673 know, but we'll get there. 00:49:51.673 --> 00:49:54.491 Alan: sometimes all of that is, you know, it just happens below the surface 00:49:54.491 --> 00:49:58.301 and it might not be outwardly visible, but yeah, I mean, it's things are happening. 00:49:59.051 --> 00:50:01.241 I don't, don't beat yourself up too much about it. 00:50:01.241 --> 00:50:01.751 It's a, 00:50:02.281 --> 00:50:07.421 it's, it's a journey, not a, you know, you can't just suddenly pop it out. 00:50:08.956 --> 00:50:09.436 Mario: Thank you. 00:50:09.436 --> 00:50:09.916 Thank you for 00:50:09.916 --> 00:50:10.276 that. 00:50:10.295 --> 00:50:13.403 Yeah, so that's been my past two weeks 00:50:13.503 --> 00:50:13.893 Alan: Nice. 00:50:14.656 --> 00:50:19.246 Mario: my goal is in the next two weeks, I actually want to get into 00:50:19.246 --> 00:50:24.016 full swing of things, coding and creating the solution for this problem. 00:50:24.016 --> 00:50:28.540 And I think, I, I've narrowed it down to how I'm going to go about it fix it. 00:50:28.579 --> 00:50:30.409 It's going to require quite a bit of work. 00:50:30.476 --> 00:50:34.076 Just major changes in the way the recording is engineered. 00:50:34.076 --> 00:50:38.396 what I've done so far, and what I have now is a pretty solid foundation for it. 00:50:38.396 --> 00:50:44.060 But it will need to be modified quite a bit to, get around the issue of recording 00:50:44.060 --> 00:50:46.130 being so dependent on the browser. 00:50:46.530 --> 00:50:46.890 Alan: Gotcha. 00:50:47.690 --> 00:50:48.080 Mario: Yeah. 00:50:48.080 --> 00:50:48.480 but 00:50:48.510 --> 00:50:51.870 I think it's going to make the product more solid and that's the goal. 00:50:51.914 --> 00:50:57.843 Oh, now I remember when I was talking to Vanessa and doing the demo, I mentioned 00:50:57.843 --> 00:51:02.853 the problem of recording being interrupted and, having recovery mode as a feature 00:51:02.853 --> 00:51:04.832 to kind of mitigate some of that. 00:51:04.832 --> 00:51:10.054 And she asked, well, how often has it happened or how often does it happen? 00:51:10.182 --> 00:51:11.802 Well, it doesn't happen that often. 00:51:11.802 --> 00:51:14.588 So she challenged me to think about it. 00:51:14.588 --> 00:51:17.218 And offered the possibility that this may 00:51:17.218 --> 00:51:19.678 not even be a problem to begin with, you know, 00:51:19.888 --> 00:51:20.368 because. 00:51:20.523 --> 00:51:21.453 Alan: mentioned this before, right? 00:51:21.688 --> 00:51:25.708 Mario: Yeah, Yeah, because if it's not happening very often, 00:51:25.708 --> 00:51:28.768 maybe it's not really a problem that I want to spend time on. 00:51:28.798 --> 00:51:33.410 And and I can save myself a lot of time, but yeah. 00:51:33.410 --> 00:51:37.054 But at the same time the more I think about it and, and just the, 00:51:37.904 --> 00:51:42.044 the issue is that when it happens, it has a major impact on the 00:51:42.044 --> 00:51:45.134 podcaster, and, also the guests, 00:51:45.134 --> 00:51:48.716 Because the recovery part, it's not ideal. 00:51:48.716 --> 00:51:50.156 It's not a hundred percent either. 00:51:50.156 --> 00:51:54.296 So then it, it really presents a big problem, you know, when it 00:51:54.296 --> 00:51:56.846 happens, even if it doesn't happen that often. 00:51:57.336 --> 00:51:58.896 Alan: I think you've told me before, but yeah. 00:51:58.926 --> 00:51:59.586 How 00:52:00.606 --> 00:52:02.046 big are the chunks? 00:52:02.116 --> 00:52:04.986 Is it seems to happen more about the video, obviously, because 00:52:04.986 --> 00:52:05.886 there's more data, right? 00:52:05.916 --> 00:52:06.936 So the audio is 00:52:07.236 --> 00:52:09.666 pretty consistently uploading. 00:52:11.236 --> 00:52:11.746 Mario: Yeah. 00:52:12.346 --> 00:52:12.606 Yeah. 00:52:12.606 --> 00:52:15.946 I think it seems like a, usually audio is okay, but video is 00:52:15.946 --> 00:52:16.976 a little bit of a problem. 00:52:16.976 --> 00:52:17.442 Yeah. 00:52:17.487 --> 00:52:21.677 I think I have a pretty good idea of how to fix it and I don't want this to 00:52:21.677 --> 00:52:26.197 be part of the it's a problem with a core functionality of the product, so I 00:52:26.197 --> 00:52:28.777 don't want it to be a big issue. 00:52:28.777 --> 00:52:29.467 And so. 00:52:31.142 --> 00:52:35.902 And, and the only reason why it may not be happening a lot right now is 00:52:35.912 --> 00:52:38.362 only because I only have a few users 00:52:38.912 --> 00:52:39.782 using product. 00:52:39.802 --> 00:52:45.472 So if, I, go at a larger scale, then it may come back to bite me if I, 00:52:45.472 --> 00:52:47.032 just keep going with it, you know, 00:52:47.062 --> 00:52:48.972 so I need to nail it down. 00:52:48.972 --> 00:52:49.332 So, 00:52:49.672 --> 00:52:49.912 Alan: Yeah. 00:52:49.912 --> 00:52:50.242 Yeah. 00:52:50.332 --> 00:52:51.742 I can understand that concern. 00:52:51.802 --> 00:52:52.012 Yeah. 00:52:52.632 --> 00:52:53.132 Mario: yeah, 00:52:53.232 --> 00:52:56.272 Alan: with the fact that it is occasionally showing up with 00:52:56.452 --> 00:52:57.832 a small number of users means 00:52:57.832 --> 00:53:00.992 yeah that it could well be grow with the number of users that you have. 00:53:00.992 --> 00:53:01.262 Right. 00:53:01.262 --> 00:53:03.572 so I can even, I can understand your hesitancy. 00:53:04.112 --> 00:53:04.382 Mario: yeah. 00:53:04.412 --> 00:53:06.242 Which would translate into a lot more 00:53:06.242 --> 00:53:09.582 support requests and it would translate into a, bigger headache. 00:53:09.582 --> 00:53:14.265 So I think I need to really spend the time on that now and 00:53:14.265 --> 00:53:15.525 eliminate that problem. 00:53:15.537 --> 00:53:16.857 Alan: Least have a good go at it. 00:53:16.857 --> 00:53:17.187 Right. 00:53:17.217 --> 00:53:20.097 You know, you can, especially since, you know, you spend a 00:53:20.097 --> 00:53:22.251 bunch of time now thinking about 00:53:22.251 --> 00:53:23.151 ways to make it better. 00:53:23.151 --> 00:53:27.651 You've got some ideas and understanding of how to improve it so improve it. 00:53:27.831 --> 00:53:31.371 And then if it occurs after that, then consider okay. 00:53:31.371 --> 00:53:36.021 How often let's try and measure how often it happens and then try to figure out if 00:53:36.021 --> 00:53:37.911 there's a, if there's a, way to fall back. 00:53:37.941 --> 00:53:41.631 I mean, you're when you consider that the audio generally is 00:53:41.631 --> 00:53:42.861 okay, and that isn't a problem. 00:53:42.861 --> 00:53:45.111 You're not going to lose any audio or if you do, it's going to be 00:53:45.111 --> 00:53:46.341 like, you know, a few seconds. 00:53:46.367 --> 00:53:49.052 You've already got the backup via Twilio anyway. 00:53:49.052 --> 00:53:49.382 Right. 00:53:49.382 --> 00:53:51.362 So you've always got that fallback. 00:53:51.542 --> 00:53:54.782 So the worst case scenario is that someone would lose what? 00:53:55.142 --> 00:53:56.759 30 seconds of video at the end. 00:53:56.796 --> 00:54:01.306 If this happened and it was that very unfortunate case that that might happen. 00:54:01.306 --> 00:54:02.044 So Yeah. 00:54:02.074 --> 00:54:07.804 it's be worth, you know, if you're so far along in having to go at 00:54:07.804 --> 00:54:12.694 solving, get anyway, try and solve it and then see what happens and, 00:54:13.024 --> 00:54:16.137 and think about just measuring it and understanding the plus if you've got 00:54:16.137 --> 00:54:19.527 more data points from the real world, you can understand, you know, why it's 00:54:19.527 --> 00:54:21.837 happening or what the cases are better. 00:54:21.884 --> 00:54:22.209 So 00:54:22.789 --> 00:54:23.179 Mario: Sure. 00:54:23.499 --> 00:54:24.519 Alan: a sensible thing to 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:24.669 do. 00:54:25.329 --> 00:54:25.719 Mario: Yeah. 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:28.899 I think for the next couple of weeks, I'm going to be focusing 00:54:28.899 --> 00:54:31.338 on that primarily and squeezing 00:54:31.338 --> 00:54:37.675 some podcast editing at the same time and and possibly onboard one more, one 00:54:37.675 --> 00:54:39.145 more person that probably would be. 00:54:40.040 --> 00:54:42.020 Last one or one of the Last 00:54:42.020 --> 00:54:42.477 ones to 00:54:42.477 --> 00:54:43.047 onboard 00:54:43.132 --> 00:54:43.462 Alan: And then 00:54:43.587 --> 00:54:44.367 Mario: on one-on-one. 00:54:44.692 --> 00:54:45.622 Alan: got enough data, right? 00:54:45.622 --> 00:54:46.162 So then 00:54:46.162 --> 00:54:48.112 it's just like, you can just. 00:54:48.872 --> 00:54:49.592 People answer. 00:54:50.192 --> 00:54:50.702 Excellent. 00:54:50.882 --> 00:54:51.212 That's good 00:54:51.457 --> 00:54:51.847 Mario: yeah. 00:54:51.947 --> 00:54:52.367 Cool. 00:54:53.627 --> 00:54:54.317 All right. 00:54:54.414 --> 00:54:54.984 What about you? 00:54:54.984 --> 00:54:55.314 What are your 00:54:55.314 --> 00:54:56.754 goals for, for the 00:54:56.754 --> 00:54:57.174 next, 00:54:57.259 --> 00:55:01.459 Alan: Well, so, so my plan is now is I've got this improvements 00:55:01.459 --> 00:55:02.917 to onboarding working. 00:55:02.966 --> 00:55:03.576 I'll let. 00:55:05.506 --> 00:55:05.806 Just to 00:55:05.806 --> 00:55:07.806 finish up a few things on that. 00:55:07.936 --> 00:55:11.266 This is a technical technicality rather than a problem. 00:55:11.266 --> 00:55:16.411 And now as I have the, my improvements to the UI and stuff, and I plan to send 00:55:16.411 --> 00:55:17.791 out a bunch of invites this weekend. 00:55:17.821 --> 00:55:22.147 So that's hopefully fingers crossed nothing goes wrong between now and 00:55:22.147 --> 00:55:25.237 then, and then see what happens and see what the feedback is from that. 00:55:25.567 --> 00:55:29.827 And the other, I guess the, the bit of development which I've been 00:55:29.947 --> 00:55:31.837 putting off, but I'm realizing that I. 00:55:32.892 --> 00:55:36.222 Should do it just because I need to do it sooner rather than later. 00:55:36.252 --> 00:55:39.266 And so I had some interest in feedback from somebody this week 00:55:39.266 --> 00:55:41.488 that was they were like, well, I'd be, I'd be paying for this. 00:55:41.518 --> 00:55:44.518 And I'm like, oh yeah, I probably should wire up payments. 00:55:44.518 --> 00:55:44.758 Right. 00:55:46.123 --> 00:55:46.213 Mario: Yeah. 00:55:46.288 --> 00:55:49.227 Alan: So and I'm going to have a goal why we're in a puddle. 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:50.800 Cause I've got permission. 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:51.790 I'm on the system. 00:55:51.820 --> 00:55:53.740 I can create subscriptions and stuff on it now. 00:55:53.740 --> 00:55:56.474 So I'm going to have a first go at just wearing that up and 00:55:56.804 --> 00:55:58.304 then seeing what's involved. 00:55:58.304 --> 00:56:00.284 Cause I haven't really looked into it too deeply. 00:56:00.284 --> 00:56:00.614 So 00:56:00.690 --> 00:56:02.670 that's, that's a technical thing. 00:56:03.090 --> 00:56:08.070 Big, I guess also the, all of the other features that I've got to work on. 00:56:09.810 --> 00:56:10.810 Bigger features. 00:56:10.811 --> 00:56:14.231 So I'm kind of like feel it's a good time to take a breather and just, 00:56:14.501 --> 00:56:17.681 that's what I've been kind of doing some of the UI tweaking and fiddling 00:56:17.681 --> 00:56:22.751 just cause the, the next steps are all much bigger things to take on. 00:56:22.751 --> 00:56:24.941 So it's like, okay, let's get the onboarding working. 00:56:24.941 --> 00:56:26.531 Let's get subscriptions working. 00:56:26.561 --> 00:56:28.628 Let's get you know, the UI tidy it up a little bit. 00:56:28.628 --> 00:56:32.618 Just kind of iron out all of this, the, where I am right now and get that 00:56:32.648 --> 00:56:37.538 looking good and working to its best before I then take on a big new feature. 00:56:37.538 --> 00:56:37.778 Right. 00:56:37.838 --> 00:56:39.398 So that's, that's the next step. 00:56:40.863 --> 00:56:41.403 Mario: Nice. 00:56:42.513 --> 00:56:42.987 Awesome. 00:56:43.057 --> 00:56:43.417 Yeah. 00:56:43.557 --> 00:56:44.107 I'm curious 00:56:44.107 --> 00:56:46.537 to see how it works out with Paddle also. 00:56:46.712 --> 00:56:47.072 Alan: me too. 00:56:47.767 --> 00:56:48.097 Mario: yeah, 00:56:48.307 --> 00:56:48.997 Alan: So, Yeah. 00:56:49.027 --> 00:56:52.207 it's, it, it, it all looks very straightforward and they've got a Nice. 00:56:52.207 --> 00:56:53.527 simple web hooks interface. 00:56:53.573 --> 00:56:54.023 And 00:56:54.023 --> 00:56:56.243 you know, it looks very straightforward. 00:56:56.243 --> 00:56:59.644 They've got a sandbox so I can try it all out in and yeah, that doesn't look to be 00:56:59.644 --> 00:57:03.994 any reason why it's going to be difficult, but obviously Well, done it yet, so 00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:05.069 Mario: Yeah. 00:57:05.344 --> 00:57:06.034 Alan: will learn. 00:57:07.709 --> 00:57:08.309 Mario: All right. 00:57:08.399 --> 00:57:09.449 Well, good luck with that. 00:57:09.514 --> 00:57:09.784 Alan: Cool. 00:57:10.769 --> 00:57:11.159 Mario: Yeah. 00:57:12.274 --> 00:57:12.694 Alan: Excellent. 00:57:12.761 --> 00:57:16.264 Mario: If you don't have anything else, I think we can wrap it up 00:57:16.264 --> 00:57:16.624 here. 00:57:16.809 --> 00:57:17.319 Alan: Sounds good. 00:57:18.424 --> 00:57:18.874 Excellent. 00:57:19.504 --> 00:57:19.864 Cool. 00:57:19.939 --> 00:57:20.059 Mario: been 00:57:20.059 --> 00:57:20.479 great. 00:57:20.579 --> 00:57:20.713 I'll 00:57:20.713 --> 00:57:21.823 see you in two 00:57:21.823 --> 00:57:22.393 weeks. 00:57:22.463 --> 00:57:23.113 Alan: luck in your 00:57:23.161 --> 00:57:23.641 coding 00:57:24.391 --> 00:57:24.811 Mario: All right. 00:57:24.811 --> 00:57:25.001 Thank 00:57:25.029 --> 00:57:27.219 Alan: Hope the hope, the new, are you starting a new job 00:57:27.249 --> 00:57:27.729 for next week 00:57:27.759 --> 00:57:28.599 Did you say oh, a week 00:57:28.689 --> 00:57:29.125 Mario: No, no. 00:57:29.137 --> 00:57:31.207 I'm starting at the end of 00:57:31.207 --> 00:57:31.777 August. 00:57:31.857 --> 00:57:32.097 Alan: cool. 00:57:32.097 --> 00:57:33.417 So you got a bit of time off as well. 00:57:34.347 --> 00:57:34.887 Excellent. 00:57:34.917 --> 00:57:37.587 So full steam ahead on Fusioncast then for August. 00:57:38.647 --> 00:57:39.017 Excellent. 00:57:39.017 --> 00:57:40.207 Mario: Yeah, and some downtime as well. 00:57:41.177 --> 00:57:41.277 Alan: Yeah 00:57:41.277 --> 00:57:41.717 of 00:57:41.717 --> 00:57:41.847 course 00:57:42.357 --> 00:57:42.597 you. 00:57:42.597 --> 00:57:43.047 You've earned it 00:57:45.007 --> 00:57:45.517 Mario: Thank you. 00:57:45.517 --> 00:57:45.857 Thank you. 00:57:45.907 --> 00:57:46.277 Alan: Nice one 00:57:46.327 --> 00:57:47.257 Mario: Alright Alan, take care. 00:57:47.317 --> 00:57:47.797 See ya.