{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":5.45,"endTime":10.22,"body":"Welcome to Demystifying Instructional Design, a podcast where I interview"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":10.22,"endTime":13.91,"body":"various instructional designers to figure out what it is instructional"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":13.91,"endTime":14.84,"body":"designers do."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":15.62,"endTime":17.6,"body":"I'm Rebecca Hogue, your podcast host."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":18.2,"endTime":20.33,"body":"If you or someone you know would like to be"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":20.33,"endTime":24.65,"body":"a guest on Demystifying Instructional Design, please complete the be"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":24.65,"endTime":29.49,"body":"my guest form available on Demystifying Instructional Design dot com."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":30.23,"endTime":33.44,"body":"I'm particularly looking for guests who do not work in"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":33.44,"endTime":34.34,"body":"higher education."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":34.91,"endTime":38.27,"body":"If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe or leave a"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":38.27,"endTime":41.66,"body":"comment in the show notes blog post and consider helping"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":41.66,"endTime":44.75,"body":"to support this podcast with a donation to my Patreon"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":44.75,"endTime":45.23,"body":"account."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":46.07,"endTime":49.13,"body":"In this episode, I continue my interview with Janet Lee."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":49.34,"endTime":52.64,"body":"So we got as far as your first job."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":54.53,"endTime":56.87,"body":"And when and all I have to say about that,"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":56.87,"endTime":59.48,"body":"I'm starting to talk like Forrest Gump, but all I"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":59.48,"endTime":62.69,"body":"have to say about that is when COVID happened,"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":62.87,"endTime":67.1,"body":"that was transformative for us because we went into like"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":67.1,"endTime":69.47,"body":"crisis mode at work."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":69.68,"endTime":72.05,"body":"I got to come home and work from home, which"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":72.05,"endTime":75.95,"body":"was brilliant, and I got to work with the faculty"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":75.95,"endTime":79.46,"body":"who were really, really scared. 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I like that."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1483.04,"endTime":1487.19,"body":"All the things we do and create matter."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1487.19,"endTime":1488.6,"body":"Everything we tried."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1488.93,"endTime":1491.21,"body":"Our treasure trove of knowledge."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1491.45,"endTime":1493.55,"body":"So I told you that huge story about my getting"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1493.55,"endTime":1493.97,"body":"here."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1494.33,"endTime":1496.4,"body":"Well, I had to tell you that because it's a"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1496.4,"endTime":1498.5,"body":"story that was purposeful for me."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1498.5,"endTime":1500.42,"body":"And everybody has a story."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1500.42,"endTime":1502.67,"body":"You have to share your stories with each other and"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1502.67,"endTime":1507.41,"body":"that inspires other people to think they, too matter and"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1507.41,"endTime":1508.4,"body":"everything matter."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1508.41,"endTime":1508.71,"body":"It's."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1508.76,"endTime":1509.24,"body":"It matters."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1509.24,"endTime":1511.31,"body":"It's never too late to choose again."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1512.09,"endTime":1512.45,"body":"Mm hmm."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1512.71,"endTime":1513.56,"body":"Oh, I like that."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1513.68,"endTime":1516.92,"body":"What's your prediction for the future of instructional design?"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1518.04,"endTime":1520.62,"body":"That was the hardest that's the hardest question."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1520.62,"endTime":1524.13,"body":"I predict that will connect more on a global level."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1524.16,"endTime":1528.66,"body":"The borders we have will collapse in a way as"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1528.66,"endTime":1532.65,"body":"we reimagine the way it's always been in education and"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1532.65,"endTime":1534.57,"body":"I think the way it's always been, we'll start to"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1534.57,"endTime":1538.31,"body":"go into this new skills based learning."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1538.32,"endTime":1541.32,"body":"I predict students like me will find ways to"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1541.32,"endTime":1545.43,"body":"express their talents and create a life for themselves through"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1545.43,"endTime":1547.14,"body":"this passionate design work."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1547.5,"endTime":1550.14,"body":"I hope we never forget Arnie, the learner who doesn't"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1550.14,"endTime":1554.88,"body":"have access to technology and is therefore left desperately behind."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1554.94,"endTime":1558.33,"body":"I hope we find ways to include everyone in our"},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1558.33,"endTime":1563.31,"body":"journey and always challenge ourselves to be critical global thinkers."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1563.97,"endTime":1565.56,"body":"Thank you very much, Janet."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1565.56,"endTime":1567.66,"body":"This has been an amazing conversation."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1567.81,"endTime":1569.34,"body":"I've really enjoyed chatting with you."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1569.88,"endTime":1571.2,"body":"I enjoyed chatting with you."},{"speaker":"JANET","startTime":1571.23,"endTime":1572.94,"body":"I hope we get to work together."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1573.75,"endTime":1577.29,"body":"You've been listening to Demystifying Instructional Design, a podcast where"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1577.29,"endTime":1580.02,"body":"I interview instructional designers about what they do."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1580.62,"endTime":1582.57,"body":"I'm Rebecca Hogue, you're podcast host."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1583.2,"endTime":1585.18,"body":"If you or someone you know might like to be"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1585.18,"endTime":1589.05,"body":"a guest on Demystifying Instructional Design, please complete the Be"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1589.05,"endTime":1592.02,"body":"My Guest form available on Demystifying Instructional Design dot"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1592.02,"endTime":1595.71,"body":"com. 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