Travis Bader: Happy New Year.
2024 has come to an end.
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I got to tell you this last year was amazing.
The Silvercore podcast had us traveling to Iceland, Finland, to Estonia, to Norway,
to Sweden, Idaho, Nova Scotia, Toronto, Texas, throughout British Columbia.
And, you know, I'm sure there's other places as well.
And I'm just slipping my mind at the moment.
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My wife and I wrapped up the silver core podcast last year by
doing a hot wing eating challenge.
This was of the theme of hot ones where you have progressively hotter hot
sauces as you work your way through.
And we answered questions from the audience.
I got to tell you, it got a little sketchy near the end.
We finished it off with some bear spray and they're definitely not
thinking about flavor when they make bear spray and they're concentrating
all of their effort to heat.
That was something that if you haven't seen yet, I'd highly
recommend you check it out.
This year, I wanted to bring you with me into the hunting blind.
I'm in Texas with my friend, Trevor Gibbs.
He owns a company man bar.
They make amazing meat sticks.
Check those out.
If you haven't yet, and I wanted to give you the opportunity to see what it's like
as we're sitting in a blind waiting for some game to show up, maybe something
happens, maybe it doesn't, you're going to have to listen to find out.
Now, without further ado, let's get on with this episode.
We're doing an in the blind chat.
So I got up at zero dark 30 this morning, which with the time change is about
zero 300, my time, zero 500 Texas time.
My friend Trevor here said, have you ever hunted hogs before?
I said, no, he says, come on down to Texas and do it.
So here we are, Trevor.
Here we are.
Hey
Trevor Gibbs: man.
Good to see you.
Thanks for coming down.
It's good to see you again.
Travis Bader: So we're into the afternoon right now on day one of our hunt.
Trevor Gibbs: Yeah.
Travis Bader: Already successful this morning.
Trevor Gibbs: So that's good.
It wasn't a pig, but we got a doe down this morning and processed her and got
her on ice and she's sitting in the truck and now we're, now we're back at
it again, hoping some pigs come out.
So you want to
Travis Bader: paint the landscape here for us?
Where are
Trevor Gibbs: we right now?
Yeah.
So we are, I won't dox the location, but we are Southeast of Austin.
Um, um, on a lease that I'm on.
It's about,
we've got about 1500 acres that we can hunt on.
Um, and that is, we're just doing some good old Texas Hill Country hunting.
Um, we're in a blind.
There's a feeder that we're looking out over and there's a kind of
a big pond to the left of it.
It looks perfect for a bunch of pigs to be in, even though they're not right now.
And, uh, you know, these feeders throw corn, uh, usually, First thing in
the morning and, you know, towards, towards sunset in the evening, we
were successful on our hunt this morning, actually walking to a feeder.
So we, we didn't hunt over a feeder.
We just saw, saw a doe to our right as we were walking and we're
able to make a good shot on it.
Um, but I figured, If you're going to come all the way down here, we got to
have you do some good old blindsitting.
Um, sitting in a blind over a feeder.
So that's
Travis Bader: something we don't really do in British Columbia.
And you know, a friend of mine, he's the head of.
Hunter education and firearms training for the Bavarian region in Germany.
And they've got a very different way of hunting over there than we do
here, or from what I've seen so far in, in Texas, but they use feeders.
Okay.
That's a big thing.
And they'll use a game cams, uh, cell operated, which we're not
allowed to do in British Columbia.
Okay.
You are, which was pretty crazy when you pull that up and you see all
the different cell cameras and all the different, uh, uh, Uh, photos
of, of animals that it's caught.
And that's what, real time, right?
Trevor Gibbs: It's the, not exactly.
So this one's, I think, set up to send I think every four hours, I want to
say it sends all the pictures, kind of a download of the previous four
hours, but there's different settings.
You can have them upload, um, immediately every four hours, six hours, once a day,
it's there, there's different options.
Okay.
So we're not, we're not necessarily like checking the feeders in real time to
see where animals are in that moment.
It's more of.
More for pattern recognition, like last night I, I pulled it up and just
looked at the, like the last week's worth of morning and evening just to
see where, what, uh, what stands they were or what feeders they were hitting
and what's going to them and all that.
So,
Travis Bader: so my buddy in Germany there, he sends me over their
hunter education books, and it's not a book, it's multiple books.
Of course, they're all in German.
So I have to use Google translate on my phone to try and figure it out and
read my way through it, but they're responsible for the animals all year long.
So not just hunting season, like if they put feeders out in the
hunting season, they have to make sure they're out there maintaining
and feeding them in the off season.
They're responsible for the numbers, they're responsible for.
Damage that they start to do to, uh, crops, farmers and ranchers.
And, uh, so they have to make sure they keep the numbers at a right level.
They have to know about dog training and dog handling.
Uh, there's a lot that goes to it.
So when I look at this whole feeder thing, um, This is brand new to me and I can
see, I can see a lot of benefits to it.
Sure.
Uh, I can see where it's different from how I'm used to hunting.
Like, uh, the most I've ever seen in British Columbia in
certain areas is, uh, salt licks.
Some people will put out like pumpkins and stuff like this, and that's
perfectly legal, except for some areas that get closer to the Alberta
US border, and they're concerned about chronic wasting disease.
And so they've got different, uh, uh, rules in the, those areas, but these
things twice a day, the sort of clanging off kind of like a ding, a dinner bell
and sort of throwing out corn and, um, It's all the wildlife from, from miles
around just to come by and check it out.
Trevor Gibbs: Well, in theory, yeah.
I mean, typically it, and it varies on the, it varies on the ranch side size.
Um, you know, like on this, there's quite a few feeders on,
on, on this lease that we're on.
Some of the, some of the ranches out in like West Texas may have.
One feeder every hundred acres or every thousand acres, um, depending
on how big the ranches, um, but yeah, it is, you know, they do
make a noise, they do throw corn.
It is in a sense, uh, getting the wildlife used to hitting these areas
and I think different is a good word.
Some people that this is very, very common down here.
I, I imagine some people in the, you know, Western U S or, or certainly up
where you're at, you know, they may
turn their nose up at it or question it.
And that's, I get it.
Um, you know, I, I think you work with what you have and here in
Texas, there's a ton of private land.
It's, I forget the number, but it's something crazy, you know, in
the 90 percentile is private land.
Wow.
Um, Texas and Texas is a big place.
You flop that around the other way in Canada, 90 percent is crown land.
Exactly.
We were talking earlier, you know, it's kind of a 12 hour drive east to
west and north to south, just in Texas.
So, um, a lot of land and a lot of big ranches down here, uh,
you know, like in the several hundred thousand acres type size.
Um, so.
You know, it's, there is a little difference because of that.
You have the place we're on, it just has your standard kind of barbed wire fencing.
It's a cattle ranch.
Uh, there are places that are high game fences.
Yeah.
These,
Travis Bader: these
Trevor Gibbs: fences aren't keeping any, these are not keeping
anything other than the cattle.
Correct.
Travis Bader: Um, so hogs will go under it.
The deer will jump over it.
Yeah.
Trevor Gibbs: So it just kind of depends on, on your environment.
And so with the pigs, especially.
You know, last, last numbers, I saw that there were 6 million pigs estimated in
the U S with two and a half to three of those just in Texas, two and a half
to 3 million of those just in Texas.
That's crazy.
Travis Bader: I was looking at that and was the Spaniards, I think that
were the first to bring the pigs over.
Then the Europeans brought some.
True feral hogs over and it was just sort of a, you know, it's
nice to have this live food.
We bring it on over, let some of them go and, and they just took over over
here and it's the amount of damage that these pigs do is in the billions.
Trevor Gibbs: It is.
Yeah.
Especially, you know, especially in, uh, in Texas where there's a
lot of agriculture and a lot of ranching and farming and all of that.
Absolutely.
I mean, it is in the billions of dollars worth of damage.
And, you know, we were talking about just out of hand, the numbers get how quickly,
I mean, it's an exponential thing where, you know, that these, these pigs can
start having babies around seven months.
They can have up to, uh, you know, four, four pregnancies a year.
And they're, they're having anywhere from four to 15 little piglets each time.
So that's crazy that the numbers get big.
So if you see, you know, out here, I've had sounders come in when a group of
pigs, uh, you know, eight, 10, 12 deep with You know, most of those being sows.
So if you just think of those numbers, even on the low end, if you've got eight
sows that are having four, I don't know what's the word, not letters, but sure.
You know, but, but having four pregnancies, four batches of
four piglets a year, you know, that, that number gets big.
And so I told you, the number I had read is that just to keep the numbers
in check, They're saying you'd have to take out 70 percent of the population
every year just to keep them in check, just to keep it in check and bringing it
Travis Bader: down.
Trevor Gibbs: Correct.
And that is 100 percent not happening.
But even out here you get, you know, you, it's a, it's a, there is no one thing.
I mean, us, us taking a pig at a time isn't really going to do anything.
And so, um, Probably a month and a half ago, the landowner here had a guy come out
and he trapped, I think it was 45 hogs.
Wow.
You know, are they doing those big cages that fall down?
Mm-hmm . They put up, feet out and then they,
Travis Bader: okay.
Yeah.
I've seen those.
Trevor Gibbs: There's different ones in different sizes, but there's
some that are smaller that hold, you know, maybe two or three.
And there's some that hold 20 and some that hold 60.
Um.
So it's kind of, uh, use everything you got to, to keep the numbers in check.
And
Travis Bader: they don't have any natural predators here, do they?
Trevor Gibbs: I mean, no wolves, you got coyotes, coyotes,
they, I mean, yeah, not really.
And I mean, at that size, it's that volume.
And it's just, uh, they just keep coming.
Travis Bader: What do they taste like?
Trevor Gibbs: It depends.
So it depends on the environment.
You know, you can have a
Big, stinky, smelly, gamey, not that great tasting animal It could be a boar
most stereotypes is that it'd be a boar, but at the same time, I mean, at this
stand, I told you, we killed my buddy Harry and I kill he's six, four, two 30.
And we killed a, a hairy sized hog.
Travis Bader: Sent me that photo.
Yeah.
Trevor Gibbs: And it tasted fine.
Travis Bader: Walk me through that one.
Trevor Gibbs: He
Travis Bader: said, you just came up and it was,
Trevor Gibbs: yeah.
So we've got back behind me is the trail walking up.
to this area and then facing me.
So if you're coming down the trail to the right is, is the feeder.
And so we came up and looked at the feeder and there was nothing there.
And, uh, and we were about to turn around cause it was the last
feeder we were checking that day.
And then as we were about to turn around, we heard something
big coming out of the water.
And so there's, From my view, well, uh, maybe we can turn one of these
cameras around and show people, but to the left of that as a pond and there
was a huge pig, uh, in that pond.
And so he just didn't see him at first or submerged or what?
We just didn't see him because we were looking over to the right
and he was over here to the left.
And, and uh, we heard him get out of the water and so we looked over and kind of
had that oh shit there is a pig here and uh, had to make a pretty quick play on
it because he was walking back into the woods and we were able, able to get a good
shot on him and process him and all that.
And he tastes fine.
Um, they can, you know, out here there's a bunch of acorns, like a pecan.
If you can find a pig that's on, uh, in a place with a bunch of pecans,
those are really, really good.
You know, uh, a fat, fatty sows have a really good, typically have a really
good flavor and, and taste to them.
And
Travis Bader: I guess it's like hunting bear.
People are like, Oh, I hate the taste of bear.
And I'm like, well, were you hunting outside the dumpster?
I mean, are they eating a lot of fish?
I get that it's like get a blueberry bear and like,
Trevor Gibbs: yeah, it's
Travis Bader: amazing.
Trevor Gibbs: It's the same.
I mean, all of that is another one.
That's a big, a lot of people.
I know.
Say don't touch them, you know, kill them.
Like it's they're kind of like pigs.
It says there's a bunch of them they're kind of running off the The the big the
bighorn sheep and stuff, especially out in West Texas, but you'll hear people
It's like they stink don't touch them.
Just kill them and you know, take take the skull get a euro melt, but You know,
I shot one in Blanco And it was fantastic.
Uh, you know, you, it's a big sheep, a big Barbary sheep, so, you know, you stew it.
with enough spices and all that.
And it's phenomenal.
It's amazing what a
Travis Bader: crock pot can do, or a pressure cooker.
For sure.
Trevor Gibbs: So, you know, it just depends on environment.
You know, here, there's pretty, pretty decent vegetation on the ground.
A bunch of acorns.
It's been a super mild winter.
Um, so you can have something.
You can have a gigantic bore that is the most foul rank thing you've
ever smelled and tasted before and you can have The exact same size one.
That's the best tasting no smell best tasting thing you've ever had
Travis Bader: So right now you've lent me a wrong handed Uh tika t3x.
Yeah, uh chambered in 270 Yes.
And, uh, here I had visions of, uh, Texas hunting, hunting hogs from helicopters
and ARs, thermal and night vision.
Well, we can, we can
Trevor Gibbs: do that.
We can not the, not the helicopter.
Chopper hunting, but the uh, yeah, there's another place.
Travis Bader: Maybe just a nice chair in the back of the truck legal
Trevor Gibbs: exactly, but now that there's a another place I have east of
Austin that We've got a AR out there with thermals on it and that's kind of
our our night spot Gotcha, and that's I mean, I've seen 60, 70 pigs through the
thermal at one time out there, uh, they were on their neighbor's ranch and, you
know, several, a couple of hundred yards away and it was the neighbor's ranch.
So we couldn't get on it.
It couldn't, couldn't go after him anyways, but I mean, they almost
whited out the whole, the whole scope.
There were so many of them.
It's
Travis Bader: interesting being in a Canadian coming down here.
And you mentioned, uh, forgot my pistol.
Yeah.
And of course we can't do that.
And I talked with others who are Americans are bow hunting bear and, uh, He said, are
you kidding me or bullhunting anything?
Are you kidding me?
You're all bullhunting and you're not allowed to have a pistol with you?
Not in Canada.
Yeah.
Here's a nice precaution.
I guess these hogs can, they can do some damage.
I watch a movie Snatch.
I see what they do.
And Deadwood, what they do with all the old bodies from that one.
Trevor Gibbs: Yeah.
I like, you know, whenever, um, If I'm bow hunting, I like
to have it on me just in case.
And then if I'm even, you know, or, or rifle hunt today, but even, even
when I'm taking people hunting, like you've obviously got some experience and
knowledge and all that, but I take people out that it may be their first time.
And so I like, And I give them the rifle because I want them to
handle it and I want them to go through the process of chambering,
rechambering, safety on, safety off.
I want them to get the feel of that while I'm there to watch them, but I
also just like having something on me.
Uh, you know, just in case.
I've never had to use it, hope that I never will have to, um,
in a, in that kind of scenario.
Bye.
You know, it just makes me feel a little more comfortable.
Um, so
Travis Bader: what did the shopkeeper tell you when you picked up this Tika here?
Trevor Gibbs: Oh, I loved it.
He said, he goes, I could tell you something more expensive, but I don't
have anything that shoots a straight.
I love it.
And so he told me that and I was like, well, all right.
I'm, I can't argue with that.
Yeah.
And it
Travis Bader: works and it works well.
I was at their factory a few weeks ago in Finland and actually that was the
first time I think it's the first time I've eaten grizzly bear or brown bear.
They call it, they call it.
Gray bear, but I Googled it up and it's just, it's a brown bear,
which is a species of grizzly.
It was amazing.
It was so good.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
They have a different, uh, rule.
I guess different rules there when it comes to serving game meat.
Of course, market hunting is one of these things in North America that
everyone wants to shy away from.
And for good reason, because it was abused, it went too far.
And so I know in Canada, I think one of her provinces was talking to a
renowned chef in, uh, in Canada, Michael Hunter, and he's got a few books out.
He's been on meat eater.
Actually, I think he's got one book.
His second book's about to come out.
I don't know if I was allowed to say that.
Oh, well, sorry, Michael.
Um, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, And he was telling me about the different rules for,
uh, being able to actually sell game meat.
Most of the game meat that people think that they're eating is
actually just farmed venison.
Is that what it's like here too?
Trevor Gibbs: Yeah, you can't, uh, I kind of learned all this
with, with man bar as well.
Um, my, my stick company, but you can't sell, it has to be
processed at the USDA facility.
And so.
Um, all the elk, all the venison, all of that.
Yeah.
Typically it's coming from like your New Zealand, Australia, uh, those places,
because technically the government owns those, owns the whitetail like wild pigs.
You can, you can sell, but they've got to be processed at the U S like I can't.
Like, if a pig comes out now and I shoot it and kill it, we can't sell it.
But, if we're able to trap it and then take it to a facility
and they do it all there.
And then that could be sold.
Okay.
But that, that's just for wild pigs.
That's not.
So if you've
Travis Bader: got a buddy who's trapped at like 40 a year, and he talked to
a couple of other farmers who were trapping these things, do you think
a limited edition wild hog man bar?
Trevor Gibbs: I, I, it is on my wishlist.
Um, I am, and I'm hoping it's not, I'm hoping it's not even a limited edition
thing that, that, that is one of the.
meat combinations that I want to do.
And, um, may, you may have to supplement it with a little bit of like lard, you
know, just kind of your, maybe some regenerative pig fat, um, or pork lard.
And
Travis Bader: are these wild hogs, not that fat or
Trevor Gibbs: it depends.
Yeah.
Time of year, time of year, vegetation, all of that.
It varies.
So, um, But yeah, that, that is absolutely on my wishlist and I've already got
the, uh, I want to do, uh, if we get something today, I'll make it for you,
but it's, uh, honey mustard, rosemary, uh, uh, sauce that I make with it, like
a, like a marinade based sauce, uh, combo that I do, and it's really good.
And so that, that is on my wishlist.
On my wishlist for man bars to come out with a, uh, wild, wild hog, honey
mustard, rosemary stick at some point.
We
Travis Bader: better put
Trevor Gibbs: a hog down
Travis Bader: today so we can try that.
Trevor Gibbs: Yeah,
Travis Bader: exactly.
Trevor Gibbs: So, uh, what
Travis Bader: are
Trevor Gibbs: the plans for the next couple of days here?
Well, we're kind of playing it by ear, so we're going to sit here until, until
we decide we don't want to anymore.
And, um, If we have a long sit here, we may just call it for today.
Uh, if we decide we want to go back and let you rest up a little bit
since you're up at so early, give her a beauty rest and we can always come
back out cause we're thermal, not at this one, but we can come out for like
an evening on kind of sunset hunt.
Um, so we could do that, but then we'd have to call it, uh, You know, after last
light or we can go potentially go out to the other place that has the thermal and
just go sit in the pasture all night.
Well, for me, I can hunt.
Right.
Travis Bader: Tired.
I can, not tired.
It's, uh, getting on the podcast when I get tired, the,
uh, the brain starts to go.
So I just figured, you know, kind of
Trevor Gibbs: long story short as well.
We'll hunt a bunch today.
We'll hunt most of tomorrow.
And then, and then, uh, We're going to go make some, uh, venison, for sure, venison
tamales with the dough that I took my buddy to, took a buddy a couple of days,
last week, and he shot his first doe.
It was his first time hunting.
Um, so he shot his first doe and so we're going to go make,
uh, venison tamales with that.
Um, um, um.
Maybe if there's a chance to get use some of the meat we got today.
We'll do that.
And if we get a pig, we'll We'll see if we can add that and otherwise
we're gonna probably end up having steak and back straps tonight Yeah, we
Travis Bader: could get the squirrel.
We get that little squirrel.
So I've seen a cardinal checking it out I've seen a squirrel down there.
Did y'all eat squirrel up there?
I Don't know if we all eat squirrel, but I've eaten squirrel.
Okay, you eat squirrel.
I Not Weekly or anything.
It's, yeah.
Tree rat.
Trevor Gibbs: Yeah.
Travis Bader: I, yeah.
Yeah.
Growing up, uh, we had a, uh, I call it a commercial fly fishing lodge.
It was a fly fishing lodge that had a commercial license on it,
but it wasn't run commercially.
Okay.
And it was hike in or fly in.
There was typically helicopter in there.
They said, well, you can probably, you can land a float plane, but at about 5, 000
elevation, there is speculation whether the lake was long enough to take it off.
Trevor Gibbs: Gotcha.
Travis Bader: So, uh, Yeah.
I'd grow up out there with a slingshot or bow and arrow or a
little 22 and yeah, that's cool.
And it was always a rule.
Whatever, whatever I kill, I gotta eat.
So I'd skin these things out.
Salt, hide and yeah.
And, uh, I wish I knew about, uh, slow cooking and, uh, crockpots
and pressure cookers back then because it was a lot of tough meat.
Trevor Gibbs: Yeah.
Travis Bader: The, uh, talking with Hank Shaw, 'cause we would,
I would eat, uh, tree squirrels.
I'd eat ground squirrels.
Okay.
Um.
Like marmots and he said, I forget, it was a small percentage, small number,
but one in so many, I don't know, thousand, uh, carried the bubonic
plague for the ground squirrels.
Apparently I didn't know that first I'm hearing of it, but when he said
that I stopped eating ground squirrel.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I don't want to roll those dice.
I don't know.
So, uh, a buddy of mine just, uh, texted while we're talking here
and he runs a couple of businesses.
One of 'em is the Range Langley out in, uh, in Langley.
Okay.
And, uh, we just had legislation.
Are they listening to us?
What's that?
Are they listening to us?
Yeah.
Right now.
Um, we had a legislation come out in Canada and it just
through ordering council.
They banned a whole bunch of new firearms.
Yeah.
And he had to pull about 90 percent of the guns off the wall that he'd
rent out to the general public.
Wow.
And this is after they've already banned like AR 15s and
a whole bunch of other guns.
He had to take down large caliber rifles and.
Trevor Gibbs: Yeah.
Travis Bader: And, uh, yeah.
You know, he and I have talked about Texas a fair bit and, you know, just
being here and seeing the different attitude towards firearms between
the Canadian side and the Texas side, it's, uh, it really is night and day.
Um, I jumped into the vehicle.
Are you allowed to have a loaded firearm in a vehicle here?
Cause Canada, you can't.
I'm all unloaded and coming on in.
Um,
Trevor Gibbs: yeah, I think I told you just, Do the opposite
of whatever is in Canada.
Just be safe, but yeah, be safe.
Just use
Travis Bader: your head.
Yeah.
Trevor Gibbs: No,
Travis Bader: it makes a lot of sense as opposed to all these goofy rules
that get piled on over and over.
It's just seemed.
Trevor Gibbs: Well, what's the, like, what's going on up there?
Like, I feel like all I hear about is.
Like Trudeau sounds, and again, I'm very uneducated on Canadian politics
and all that, but just like the little bit that I've heard and that I see
up there, like what's going on with Trudeau, like it just, like he sounds
Travis Bader: wild.
Megalomania.
Yeah.
I feel like Trump gets a
Trevor Gibbs: bunch of narcissists, a bunch of shit down here.
But like Trudeau actually sounds like he's doing all the things
that people like accuse Trump of.
Travis Bader: Isn't that funny?
I always look at it.
It's like the thief thinking everyone's trying to steal from them, right?
I better lock it up.
Someone could steal this.
Never crossed my mind.
Someone could steal it, but I guess, right?
Well, cause it's on your mind and the people who start bellowing out,
look at that person over there.
You gotta watch out for them.
They're going to, whatever, they're going to steal from you.
Well, maybe that's because it's on their mind.
Time and time again, I see that and the.
The power that, uh, gets exerted, it can, it can get really scary, actually,
some of the, uh, the bills that are being put in place about, uh, communication,
what people are allowed to say online, you know, it's under the guise of doing
good, under the guise of making sure people don't get bullied online, I get
behind all that, but you got to watch out what freedoms you start giving
up in order to make sure you're safe, wasn't it your president, I think it
was Jefferson said, who, you know, Those who had sacrificed their rights and
freedoms for safety deserve neither.
Yeah.
Trevor Gibbs: Yeah.
I kind of feel like we were starting to head down that path with, uh, I
feel like the Democrats, the Democrats, the new democratic party, I call them
because I feel like they're not the same thing as 20 years ago, but I feel
like it was, that is their desires.
It is to have kind of an iron, a ruling fist, iron, whatever the phrase
is of just controlling everything.
And I mean, some of these guys were saying that certain amendments, like
our amendments were like getting in the way of them doing their jobs and stuff.
And it's like, Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Like those amendments, you just hear what you just said, you know, and stuff
like that, where it's like, they don't even know they're so far gone that they
don't even know how crazy that sounds.
Travis Bader: The road to hell is paved with.
Good intentions.
Isn't that the flowery path?
The point.
I
Trevor Gibbs: don't even know if it's good intentions anymore, man.
Travis Bader: Well, you know, people, I get it.
I get people saying, look at, I don't want people to get injured by a firearm.
I get it.
I mean, I can't think of anything scarier than somebody with a firearm
who's intent on doing injury.
Damage or ill will towards other people.
Like that's scary, but that's not the gun.
That's a person that's just as scary as a person.
Trevor Gibbs: We talked about that when I was on your podcast, where
it's like the answer to that is more education and actually get, get.
22s and BB guns and four 10 shotguns and like have class where you, or you get
guns in kids hands and teach them how to use them and teach them what a safety is
and teach them how dangerous they are.
You know, like, like it's like, well, yeah, education is the answer.
Not
Travis Bader: Or I'll make you good drivers.
We can educate you.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
I find it interesting.
You talk about new Democrats.
I remember, uh, people are saying, well, what happened to Rogan?
What Rogan used to be a Democrat and you, you forced him away.
Well, no, no, you didn't.
He still got the same mindset as before.
It's just the party has moved so far away from where it was before.
And that's the same thing with liberals in Canada, a lot of my ideology is
actually very liberal or libertarian, but
Trevor Gibbs: now it sounds socialist or communist.
Yeah.
And all that stuff.
It's the same here where it's like the Rogans of the world.
I think there's a lot of, I mean, I would consider myself one of those
where it's like, Historically, very much more liberal, do whatever you want.
Probably resonated more with Democrats growing, you know, when
I was younger and all of that.
And now it's like unrecognizable.
And for the first time in my life, I voted all Republican and it wasn't even
didn't even bat an eye, didn't even bat an eye just because, and I, I mean, I, I
think a lot of the country is that way.
Cause the results we had were, So glaring for, I mean, you know, I'll
find interesting one, everything.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
If you go into the States where they allow people to vote without identification
and you change that rule to where they have identification, that'll be
interesting to see how that turns out.
If it's the same, or if there's a marked difference, even stuff like
Trevor Gibbs: that, like.
Travis Bader: That doesn't make sense to me.
Trevor Gibbs: That makes all the sense in the world is to force people to Why
wouldn't they Why wouldn't you want that?
Right.
And it's like the only reason for that would be, you know,
like you're trying to cheat.
Yeah.
Like there is no other, other like logical answer to
Travis Bader: Play the game straight.
You don't have to worry about it.
Trevor Gibbs: Yeah.
And so even stuff like that, where that, that now has become like a super
controversial, like right wing take.
And it's like, well, it's fucking common sense.
Yeah, I agree a hundred
Travis Bader: percent.
What I find interesting is the narrative.
Sorry for cussing.
Hey, it's okay.
Uh, the narrative on, uh, On Trump that you hear and how skewed it is
and how, um, like, I don't agree with everything the guy does.
I don't think he walks on water, but I sure as hell don't believe a
fraction of the things that are said about him because they're so easily
shown to be false over and over again.
Trevor Gibbs: And that's the part that it's people.
And again, he definitely says a bunch of wild shit.
Sure he does.
Bye.
And if you don't like him just for like, the wild shit he says, that's one thing.
If you just like, don't like that type of energy and all that, totally, whatever.
Certain people energies resonate with certain people, but If you're not liking
him, like if you're calling him a Felon and you're, you're saying he's a Russian
spy and you're like, all this stuff that's been debunked a bajillion times.
If you're still spouting that stuff out, it's like, man, you gotta,
I don't know.
You gotta take a look in the mirror.
Travis Bader: I get tired of, uh, I get tired of people voting
for somebody that they like.
Yeah, I like the way they look or I, I, I, you know, I, I think I, I'd
like to hang out with that person.
They seem like a nice person.
I don't care if a person is nice.
I don't care if the person's attractive.
I care if they've got sound policy and they've got a history
of proper performance, the best.
Predictor of future performances, past performance.
What have you done in the past?
You were a drama teacher.
Got it.
And you were fired from that job and a, uh, a ski slash snowboard
instructor for a season or something.
Who is this?
Trudeau.
Oh, really?
Yeah, it's our prime minister.
Yeah.
He had a, um, he was a drama teacher.
I think it was a
Trevor Gibbs: point grade.
He looks like he'd be a good ski instructor.
Yeah, I think he would.
He's got ski instructor vibes and looks.
Totally does.
Travis Bader: Look at, you're going to have to pizza and not French fry.
You're not having a good day.
If you're French fry, when you're supposed to pizza, I can see him doing that.
I can see him doing that.
That's funny.
But, um, yeah, look at a person's track record.
Don't just look at what they say they're going to do.
Yeah.
Look at what they've done in other parts of business and other
parts of their life and, and start making determinations on that.
Trevor Gibbs: Well, that was the big thing about Harris.
Is that.
There was no, there was no platform.
There was no,
she didn't, she didn't have a good record at all.
You know, everyone, everyone who was anti Trump, like, wanted to like, paint him
as a criminal, but she's done a bunch of shady shit when she was in California,
and it's, I'm not even trying to make this a political thing, but it's just
more of, How are you taking in information and deciphering it and going back?
And actually, are you making judgments on, are you looking at the whole picture?
Are you looking at confirmation bias because you don't like someone
or, you know, that, how, how much are you looking at stuff really?
Travis Bader: Well, it's a, it's an interesting age that we live
in now, the age of social media.
Or people can learn about things on Tik TOK that they're not seeing
in their, their local newspapers.
It's teaching people to be more discerning about what they see
and what they hear, because anyone can post something on Tik TOK.
Well, that level of journalistic integrity seems to be gone and anyone can post
what they want on TV or, and if they say the wrong thing, they just put a
tiny little bit of an, a redaction.
But I put a, uh, a post out a few days ago in regards to the, uh, the new
handgun ban, because I got so many people calling up and saying, what do we do?
What organization can I support?
Uh, is there a petition somewhere?
And I said, do whatever you do, you do it.
You don't have to rely on somebody else.
Don't just give money to someone and say, I'm done, um, did a podcast with Daniel
Fritter and he was made a very good point.
You know, just write or email your MP, right.
Or email the people in, in, uh, yeah, your members of legislative assembly
or whatever you'd have down here.
Um, but the individual has a lot of power and we have a lot that we can say.
And it's interesting how this kind of goes to the political side because firearms are
political, hunting's political, everything that we're doing can be, Positively
or adversely affected by, by politics.
Right.
And I think the more people can realize the power that they have to actually
stand up and affect change, even with little conversations like this.
Sure.
What do you see in there?
Trevor Gibbs: Just checking to see if there's anything going on
anywhere, the sun came, the clouds parted and the sun came out.
So I was curious if.
Travis Bader: So the pigs will like the clouds more than they'll like the, uh,
I get the feeling they're kind of like bears.
Does a, does a wind kind of keep them uh, sketched out a little bit?
Trevor Gibbs: I think that's with most animals because it takes
away two of their three senses.
Yeah.
So, you know, if, if, and it's their two strongest senses and, and it messes
with their hearing and it messes with their smell, um, But I mean, like we
were talking earlier though, I mean, I've seen pigs on cameras at 3 p.
m.
in the middle of our summer when it's 110 outside.
Uh, which doesn't make, doesn't make any sense.
It's winter hell right now, isn't it?
Yeah, the wind's,
Travis Bader: the wind's getting after it.
Yeah, people might hear branches hitting the blind here.
Well, you know, I've shot more game.
We're talking about this earlier.
I shot more game at 10 o'clock than I have at first light.
Yeah, for sure.
I'll get up at first light.
I'll be out there for it.
But that magic hour seems to be around, uh, you know, 10 o'clock.
And being out midday, there's the number of people I know will go back to camp.
They go out for the morning.
They'll go back to camp.
They'll go in the evening and the people are willing to have
a nap outside and just, uh, Hi.
Keep one ear on alert.
Whether this will they sleep in I've I've found success that way.
Trevor Gibbs: Yeah, I mean you can't Can't kill anything if you're not out there.
It's a long shot from the camp.
That's right.
You know a long cast from the couch exactly
Yeah, what's uh,
I Guess what is I'm curious about the the gun stuff.
Is that
What are they saying is, what are they saying is the reason for
all these bans and everything?
Just safety?
Travis Bader: Well, the most recent ones are brought out the day prior to the,
uh, they call it the Montreal Massacre.
The pol, we, Polytechnique, the guy came into the university there
and, uh, shot a bunch of women.
Uh, Gamil Gavrilo, I forget what his name was later.
It's changed to Mark Lapine and everyone, uh, goes by that
name that he's, he's known by.
So the anti hunting groups will find a cause to get behind.
Yeah.
It's an emotional discussion.
They'll find something that's emotional.
Like, and people call them grave dancers.
What are you doing?
Dancing in the graves?
They say that doing whatever, whatever they can to, uh, stop
this from happening again.
And I get the emotion behind it.
And I, I'm not going to sit there and tell somebody who's adversely
affected by firearms that they're great things and you should have one, but
I'm also not going to tell them that they shouldn't have certain things.
What might not be right for them, uh, might not necessarily be the
right answer for somebody else.
You can't try and impose your will on everyone.
Cause the reality is the person already did something illegal.
You're out there killing people.
You're not supposed to be doing that.
And it really isn't hard for somebody with a little bit of, just a couple
of brain cells to rub together to find ways to do serious damage to people.
Yeah.
I mean, our largest, nobody really talks about it, but Canada's
largest, um, mass killing.
Uh, and people will say, oh, that was that, uh, Porto Peak, uh, Nova
Scotia fellow who went around and shot a bunch of people a few years back,
which of course enacted more gun laws.
No, it's not.
These guys went out to the gas station, got some petrol, threw it down a,
um, a staircase at the Bluebeard cafe and lit everyone on fire.
Um, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, That's, that's the largest,
uh, mass killing that we've got.
Um, how hard is it to go get gas at the store?
So the, the root underlying cause of what's actually happening here is a very
difficult thing for people to address.
It's difficult for newspapers to write about it in, in, in a simplistic way.
It's difficult for politicians to say, look at the change we've made immediately.
It's easy to say now we've banned all these guns.
Yeah.
There won't be another crime with a gun in Canada.
We've got rid of them all.
Well, we live right next door to the largest producer in the world.
How long before the next one?
Well, that's it.
So.
Um, there's a lot of root conditions that go towards prescription
drugs, the misuse of how people, doctors would, the opiate crisis.
Yeah.
Which is fueled by doctors wantonly prescribing opiates and in ways
that they shouldn't have, that are being called out for now, but
these are more complex issues.
How do you fix poverty?
How do you cure mental health?
I know we'll ban all guns, done.
And all that does is it means you and I know the law abiding people
will continue to abide by the law.
They won't have guns.
And that was that commit the crimes who aren't abiding by the laws will
continue doing what they're doing, but without any sort of consequence
now, like here, you walk in somebody's property, you break into their house.
There's a consequence that you're thinking about, you know, they say
an armed society is a polite society.
And I've had, I believe it.
I had a guy at, uh, uh, with NATO went to school with him and he was.
Arguing with me back, that's not true at all.
It's not true at all.
Well, the idea behind, I think Peterson says it, a weak man is not a good man.
Right.
And he says a person who can do damage, who can hurt other
people, but who keeps himself in check, that's a person who's good.
A weak person is just the person who doesn't have anything else.
They can't do damage to begin with.
It doesn't make them good or bad.
Right.
Just, But the person who has the power and has the ability
that is able to control it.
That's, that's a good person.
Yeah.
Um, and it was going off a little bit of a tangent here and maybe
it's cause I was up at zero.
So what do you think?
You think we're going to have a hog come out and do a, into this here?
I don't know.
You know what I'm tempted to do?
I don't know if it's productive or fruitful, but as we walk down
here, you see all these little trails on this side where you
can, you clearly see game trails.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, there's game trails all throughout this place.
Yeah.
Do you ever, do you ever walk them or.
Sure.
Or set up on them?
Or do you, um, or it's just the most productive way is this.
Trevor Gibbs: The, the difficult part about getting
in the woods so deep is that.
It's woods.
Retrieval.
Well, not, not only that, but just clear shots.
Um, you can see, I mean, I've been, there's, there is a public land spot
kind of north of Austin and I'll go bow hunting for pigs up there sometimes.
And I've been, I've been to where, I've had 30 pigs around me and haven't
been able to get a shot off just because all the branches and trees
and I can see that and all of that.
And so it's maybe a little less concerned with the rifle, but still,
you know, still not ideal conditions.
Um, but with that being said, obviously there's always little openings and
maybe you get to where you can, but we can certainly sit here for
a little bit longer and then go, I want to know what the future for
Travis Bader: the future for Manbar is.
I want to know where the next step is for, uh, for Manbar.
Cause we talked about it in the podcast you were on before, sort of what you're
doing with it and what's, what's your dream in the next year, five years.
Trevor Gibbs: I would say that in the next,
ultimately, I would like to have
six to eight different sticks that are different meat combinations
and flavors that I've got.
I would like to be, um, Selling some, you know, some merchandise,
some t shirts, stuff like that.
But, uh, also really want to, we're doing a knife giveaway for
Christmas with my buddy Wyatt.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
Trevor Gibbs: Um, that's the, uh, the one he made a knife with the forged one.
Yeah.
So he made us a really cool.
What's his company again?
Uh, Breeze Forge, B R E E S E.
But I got him to make us a really cool, uh, chef's knife.
That's I'll show you a picture, but it's, it's beautiful.
It's, uh, and I, and I'd like to be working with just more craftsmen and
more people who were making beautiful things and helping them get their
workout and, um, hope to be, or we've started a podcast that, um,
Is in the process of being edited.
We haven't launched yet, but we've gotten a few episodes in, and,
uh, where it's just doing this.
Me taking people hunting, and us having conversations, and a lot of it is with
new hunters, and, uh, just Like hearing about their relationship with guns and
what it felt like to kill an animal and nature and what was it like to skin
an animal and like my buddy Adam last week when, when I was teaching him how
to, how to skin the animal and butcher it, he, uh, he made this comment.
He was like, man, the warmth really makes it real.
And it was such a light.
Great comment.
Cause it was like,
Travis Bader: that's right.
You're absolutely right.
Like it
Trevor Gibbs: is still warm and that's not something that I think about anymore.
And it's just part of it.
But that was something that he noticed that I thought was really
cool and I was happy articulated it.
So basically just trying to, the whole premise of it is trying to onboard people
and get people outside and really make intimidating things, less intimidating.
And so we went out to, uh, a couple of weeks ago, went out to Sheepdog
Response, Tim Kennedy's place, they've got a new, uh, within, within Sheepdog
Response, they've got a new gun shop.
It's called Noble Defender.
And so we went out there, I took Harry from the meat mafia, the guy killed
the pig with, and we went through the process and filmed the whole process
of him buying his first hunting rifle.
What'd he get?
Uh, he got a 6.
5 Creedmoor.
They had a really good deal going on that Tikka as well?
Not a Tikka.
I'm trying to remember.
It's slipping my mind right now what brand it is.
Um, but, but we just went through the whole process of, hey, Here's
a guy who's been hunting once.
He wants to get into it.
Doesn't really know what he wants.
Like, what questions are we supposed to ask?
What are we supposed to look for?
What price range are we talking about?
In hopes that it just For anyone who's, you know, thinking about
doing this, hopefully they can see it's like, okay, he did it.
Maybe I can do it.
It's less scary.
Travis Bader: And
Trevor Gibbs: he had such a good time.
We actually shot a second episode about handguns afterwards.
Did you?
Um, about concealed carry.
Okay.
And all of that.
And so it was just, all right, well, what do I look for if
I'm looking for a handgun?
What, what are the things I need to think about?
I brought up the point.
It's like if you're buying it for protection and to carry on you, well,
you gotta understand what that means.
Like, if you're going to have it, are you, you know, better to have, like we
said, better to have it, not need it.
But good God, if you need it, are you, are you emotionally ready to,
Yeah, there's a whole before, during and after
Travis Bader: process that people should really make themselves familiar with.
Exactly.
What do they, what do they do before?
So they don't have to use it.
What do they do before?
So if they have to use it, then they're going to be proficient.
What do they do during?
What's that look like?
And really the after is massive.
That's where you lose your home.
That's where you lose.
How do you deal with people afterwards?
How do you deal with
Trevor Gibbs: yourself?
Yeah.
Just the emotion.
emotional standpoint of like, if you're not, if you kind of haven't had those
conversations with yourself is Texas.
God forbid, you got to pull the trigger on someone.
Like, are you ready for that?
Travis Bader: Is it a shall issue state or do you have to do, do you
do courses, CCW courses to get it or?
Trevor Gibbs: Yeah, I've got, there, there's, uh, We've got open
carry here, but there's, there's a courses you take to get your, like
your LTC, your license to carry.
Okay.
Um, and it's most people conceal carry, but not most people, but the people that
do carry, it's mostly concealed carry.
But in theory you can't open carry and Fonted if you want it, but yeah, some
states people don't recommend that.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
Some of you got to open carry some.
If you break concealment, I think Washington is one of them.
You break concealment in Washington.
You're in trouble.
Right.
Yeah.
You bend over to pick something up at the grocery store.
I did, uh, someone sees it or yeah, CCW courses with Marty Hayes
down to the firearms Academy of Seattle many, many years ago.
And, uh, Utah, Utah, there's a very slick talking individual from Utah.
I came up to Canada, went around all the different ranges and, uh,
was teaching them that CCW courses.
Cause Utah, uh, would allow non resident, um, Aliens, I guess, to
get a CCW permit, if they'd done the course and had reciprocity
with a whole bunch of other States.
So you can get your Utah permit and you can go carry in Washington, technically,
like there's a lot of technically, so Canadians are doing this and they're
like, okay, all you got to do, he says, you'd need to have an invite from a
range or be going hunting in order to be able to bring your gun into the States.
Okay.
And so people would get the, I think it was a 10, or maybe it was free.
It was something really cheap, Alaska hunting license in Canada.
They go across the Washington border and under their hunting license,
I'm doing air brackets here, and then they'd carry concealed.
I don't know if anyone ever got nabbed or had to talk about this one in court
at any point, but the whole thing just seemed technically legitimate, but I
don't want to be, you know, Betting my
Trevor Gibbs: house on technically I'm allowed to do this.
I think Trump came out and said he wants to make like your concealed carry
license recognizable amongst all States.
So if you've got one in Texas, then every other state has to recognize it.
Nice.
Um, yeah, no, I don't know the specific details on it, but that was, that was
kind of the tagline or the gist of it.
Well,
Travis Bader: I'm, uh, you're not ready to, I'm not feeling
the hog, hog vibe right here.
Okay.
Um, let's go exploring.
Okay.
Should we, is there anything we've got to talk about before we wrap this up?
Trevor Gibbs: I don't think so.
Get outside, go do stuff you like with people you like.
I love it.
Travis Bader: Okay.
Just like what we're doing right now.
Yes, sir.
Okay, well, we'll let's wrap that up there and we'll go find
ourselves a hog at another location.
All right, bud.