1 00:00:00,659 --> 00:00:01,930 Hello, alleged human. 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,840 This is the Chaos Lever Podcast, and I was on vacation 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,860 last week, so there's no new episode this week. 4 00:00:09,010 --> 00:00:12,700 But instead, I thought we could revisit a favorite topic of mine. 5 00:00:12,700 --> 00:00:17,209 And when I say favorite, I mean that I hate it and I want to burn it with fire. 6 00:00:17,630 --> 00:00:21,620 We are going to talk about the supercloud by listening to 7 00:00:21,620 --> 00:00:25,349 an episode that Chris and I recorded on October 4th, 2022. 8 00:00:26,599 --> 00:00:30,580 So sit back, Pop open a can of something strong 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,640 and enjoy this episode about the super cloud. 10 00:00:35,210 --> 00:00:35,470 All right. 11 00:00:35,470 --> 00:00:38,079 So anyway, you were watching a TV show about taking over the world. 12 00:00:38,470 --> 00:00:40,510 And I was inspired as one is. 13 00:00:40,910 --> 00:00:44,579 That was hilarious because the ELM that was presented in the 14 00:00:44,580 --> 00:00:48,439 show, the Earth Liberation Movement, was like this pseudo 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,275 terrorist Eco organization, and they were all treating them like, 16 00:00:52,315 --> 00:00:55,574 Ah, ridiculous, these climate people with their climate stuff. 17 00:00:56,175 --> 00:00:57,704 And I was like, shit. 18 00:00:59,394 --> 00:01:00,664 Man, when was this filmed? 19 00:01:00,714 --> 00:01:04,004 I'm guessing this was like 2005 ish time frame. 20 00:01:04,004 --> 00:01:07,534 So, you know, I mean, solid 15, 17 years old. 21 00:01:07,614 --> 00:01:08,214 Doesn't matter. 22 00:01:08,254 --> 00:01:08,504 Sure. 23 00:01:08,534 --> 00:01:10,315 The point is, it felt outdated. 24 00:01:10,654 --> 00:01:14,244 They were making fun of like, people firebombing SUVs and stuff. 25 00:01:14,244 --> 00:01:15,094 And I'm like, no. 26 00:01:15,245 --> 00:01:15,914 Oh, sweetie. 27 00:01:17,245 --> 00:01:18,455 That's hilarious. 28 00:01:18,575 --> 00:01:22,205 It's like, A, the actual terrorist organizations we have to worry 29 00:01:22,205 --> 00:01:26,485 about are, they're not the Earth Liberation Foundation or whatever. 30 00:01:27,035 --> 00:01:29,005 It's probably the white nationalists. 31 00:01:29,235 --> 00:01:34,174 And also, climate change is a real thing and it's a big problem now. 32 00:01:34,860 --> 00:01:37,400 So you can put that in your pipe and smoke it y'all. 33 00:01:37,950 --> 00:01:39,330 I mean, that's your opinion. 34 00:01:40,340 --> 00:01:41,940 Well, just like facts. 35 00:01:42,650 --> 00:01:44,640 Oh, okay, 2006. 36 00:01:44,709 --> 00:01:46,369 I was very close. 37 00:01:46,380 --> 00:01:47,200 I had to look it up. 38 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,720 Yeah, that's not bad. 39 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,530 And I mean, I remember that term or that the name of that series, 40 00:01:52,570 --> 00:01:55,560 but I thought it was A movie, first of all, when you said it. 41 00:01:56,260 --> 00:01:57,960 Like, Numbers was definitely a movie, right? 42 00:01:58,010 --> 00:01:59,190 Probably with Jim Carrey. 43 00:01:59,820 --> 00:02:01,420 Might have been filmed in black and white. 44 00:02:01,540 --> 00:02:03,760 I don't know what you're talking about. 45 00:02:03,810 --> 00:02:05,240 I can't even tell if you're doing a bit. 46 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:06,899 It's a bit of a bit, yes. 47 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:11,560 I just melded, like, five things together from the late 90s, early 2000s. 48 00:02:13,430 --> 00:02:13,930 Okay. 49 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,350 Showtime! 50 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,620 Thank you, that's all I got. 51 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,520 Have you seen the new Sonic movies? 52 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:22,210 Oh yeah. 53 00:02:22,210 --> 00:02:22,960 There's two of them. 54 00:02:23,180 --> 00:02:23,520 Okay. 55 00:02:23,540 --> 00:02:27,080 So you've seen both of them, and you know that Jim Carrey is excellent in both. 56 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:27,144 Yes. 57 00:02:27,675 --> 00:02:31,725 Yes, he, not only is he great casting, in my opinion, for Dr. 58 00:02:31,725 --> 00:02:33,565 Robotnik, he's the only casting. 59 00:02:34,055 --> 00:02:38,525 There are very few other people I can think of that could potentially 60 00:02:38,525 --> 00:02:41,594 fit the bill, and they would have done it in completely different ways. 61 00:02:41,775 --> 00:02:44,524 So, I mean, like, could you imagine Dennis Hopper? 62 00:02:45,220 --> 00:02:45,840 As Dr. 63 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:46,380 Robotnik. 64 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:49,330 I'm just, well, I mean, he does have the, the major 65 00:02:49,830 --> 00:02:52,230 negative on that front is that he is not alive. 66 00:02:53,140 --> 00:02:54,480 That's got to imagine it. 67 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,440 And if he's, if he had the forethought to sell his likeness to 68 00:02:59,739 --> 00:03:02,929 AI, which we can get to later, it wouldn't even be a problem. 69 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,210 You heard about the Bruce Willis thing, right? 70 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,350 Yeah, it's, there's a little bit of fake 71 00:03:07,350 --> 00:03:08,970 news involved in that story at the moment. 72 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:11,560 Complicated. 73 00:03:11,670 --> 00:03:15,090 Isn't it always when it comes to AI, that's a future episode. 74 00:03:15,090 --> 00:03:15,609 I think. 75 00:03:16,990 --> 00:03:18,249 AI, it's complicated. 76 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:22,549 Oh, let's get into this one. 77 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:23,650 Hello, alleged human. 78 00:03:23,660 --> 00:03:25,270 And welcome to the Chaos Labor Podcast. 79 00:03:25,300 --> 00:03:26,030 My name is Ned. 80 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:27,890 I'm definitely not a robot. 81 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,260 I abide in a ranch style domicile of my own volition. 82 00:03:32,530 --> 00:03:34,700 It has nothing to do with the fact that stairs 83 00:03:34,700 --> 00:03:37,760 are a frightening and insufferable mystery. 84 00:03:38,079 --> 00:03:39,359 Everyone has their thing, right? 85 00:03:39,869 --> 00:03:42,619 Vacuum cleaners frighten the dogbot and stairs? 86 00:03:43,379 --> 00:03:45,109 Oops, never mind. 87 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:47,499 I just, I don't like stairs. 88 00:03:47,899 --> 00:03:51,040 With me is Chris, who is also here. 89 00:03:51,379 --> 00:03:52,939 How do you feel about stairs, Chris? 90 00:03:53,579 --> 00:03:55,980 I mean, I can go both down the stairs and 91 00:03:56,019 --> 00:03:58,420 up the stairs at whatever speed I choose. 92 00:03:59,180 --> 00:04:02,889 So, you know, that's how legs work when you're, um, alive. 93 00:04:04,499 --> 00:04:06,619 Going upstairs is perfectly fine. 94 00:04:07,089 --> 00:04:09,069 Going downstairs is a terrifying nightmare. 95 00:04:09,149 --> 00:04:10,279 I think we can all agree on that. 96 00:04:10,795 --> 00:04:12,015 So you're an opposite cow. 97 00:04:14,424 --> 00:04:15,465 That's why they have ramps. 98 00:04:17,805 --> 00:04:18,755 Is that really true? 99 00:04:18,894 --> 00:04:22,184 I feel like that's urban, not even urban legend, like rural legend. 100 00:04:22,375 --> 00:04:23,225 Rural legend. 101 00:04:25,675 --> 00:04:27,045 I feel like there's a name for that already. 102 00:04:27,045 --> 00:04:28,205 An old wives tale. 103 00:04:28,625 --> 00:04:32,055 You've got to imagine for a cow, they would at least be perplexed. 104 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,110 I think that's the constant state for a cow. 105 00:04:36,380 --> 00:04:37,380 Grass? 106 00:04:38,990 --> 00:04:40,450 Repeat for 40 years. 107 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,130 Oh, I'm glad we're laughing because the rest of 108 00:04:46,130 --> 00:04:49,150 this episode is just going to be me cursing a lot. 109 00:04:49,150 --> 00:04:51,159 So let's do that. 110 00:04:51,170 --> 00:04:51,870 Strap in. 111 00:04:52,070 --> 00:04:54,119 Let's talk about some tech garbage. 112 00:04:55,070 --> 00:04:55,950 Supercloud. 113 00:04:56,130 --> 00:04:56,650 Trademark. 114 00:04:56,650 --> 00:04:56,690 Supercloud. 115 00:04:56,690 --> 00:04:56,704 Trademark. 116 00:04:57,195 --> 00:05:00,875 Trademark, TM, R, copyright, all those things. 117 00:05:01,544 --> 00:05:04,525 It's a thing now, so I guess we need to address it. 118 00:05:05,164 --> 00:05:05,474 Fuck. 119 00:05:05,945 --> 00:05:06,534 Cool. 120 00:05:06,714 --> 00:05:07,434 Let's do that. 121 00:05:08,124 --> 00:05:09,765 I mean, yay! 122 00:05:12,124 --> 00:05:15,775 In the not too long ago, I think we mentioned Supercloud briefly 123 00:05:15,775 --> 00:05:20,104 in a larger discussion of hybrid, on premises, and other things, 124 00:05:20,124 --> 00:05:23,534 and my original take was something along the lines of, this is a 125 00:05:23,534 --> 00:05:26,695 stupid term that someone invented so they could own and promote it. 126 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:30,409 The term adds nothing substantive to the discussion on the future of 127 00:05:30,409 --> 00:05:34,989 technology, conflates multiple terms we already don't have a solid definition 128 00:05:34,989 --> 00:05:39,679 for, and adds a fluffy, confusing buzzword to the marketing hellscape 129 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,900 vendors can glom onto and abuse until it is more meaningless than it started. 130 00:05:45,390 --> 00:05:46,140 There 131 00:05:46,190 --> 00:05:47,460 is an AI idea. 132 00:05:47,719 --> 00:05:51,680 We need to put together a fluffy, confusing buzzword bot. 133 00:05:52,275 --> 00:05:53,975 I think that's already taken care of for us. 134 00:05:54,474 --> 00:05:56,434 Well, yeah, but that's by IT Dude Bros. 135 00:05:56,474 --> 00:05:57,674 This would be by 136 00:05:57,675 --> 00:05:59,094 AI. 137 00:05:59,094 --> 00:05:59,275 We've 138 00:05:59,304 --> 00:06:01,054 always wanted to put the IT Dude 139 00:06:01,075 --> 00:06:02,025 Bros out of business. 140 00:06:02,155 --> 00:06:03,034 Okay, well, that's fair. 141 00:06:03,124 --> 00:06:03,514 Yes. 142 00:06:04,130 --> 00:06:08,380 And yet, despite all of this, all the angry things that I said into 143 00:06:08,380 --> 00:06:13,669 a microphone that clearly some people listen to, you, it persists. 144 00:06:13,929 --> 00:06:15,489 Supercloud persists. 145 00:06:15,859 --> 00:06:17,169 And also, no, I'm not listening. 146 00:06:17,379 --> 00:06:19,460 Okay, well, I mean, it was the royal you. 147 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:23,749 So since we can't simply nuke it from 148 00:06:23,749 --> 00:06:26,889 orbit, I supposed we have to engage head on. 149 00:06:27,430 --> 00:06:32,100 With a robust discussion on the origin of the term, the evolving use 150 00:06:32,150 --> 00:06:36,510 of the term, a working definition that is definitely, completely, and 151 00:06:36,510 --> 00:06:41,159 entirely too long, and the popularity of the term now and in the future. 152 00:06:41,510 --> 00:06:45,189 But first, a word from our sponsor, Pedantry! 153 00:06:46,085 --> 00:06:48,825 Tired of being an easy going person 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grammar Nazi Absolutely free. 165 00:07:31,455 --> 00:07:32,675 There was actually a couple of split 166 00:07:32,675 --> 00:07:34,175 infinitives in there that we need to talk about. 167 00:07:35,195 --> 00:07:35,825 At least one. 168 00:07:37,345 --> 00:07:41,235 Did you know that rule was made up by like some German 169 00:07:41,324 --> 00:07:45,174 editor in like the 1800s and everybody was just like, yeah, 170 00:07:45,185 --> 00:07:47,115 that's the rule we're going to follow from here on out. 171 00:07:47,660 --> 00:07:48,070 Yeah, 172 00:07:48,130 --> 00:07:52,180 he noticed that in Latin, you never split infinitives. 173 00:07:52,250 --> 00:07:54,750 Therefore, that should be a rule in all the 174 00:07:54,750 --> 00:07:56,830 other languages that were descended from it. 175 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,870 The trouble is, the way that words are structured in Latin, you literally 176 00:08:01,870 --> 00:08:02,290 can't. 177 00:08:02,830 --> 00:08:03,680 Exactly. 178 00:08:04,110 --> 00:08:07,870 And also, English is not completely derived from Latin, 179 00:08:08,380 --> 00:08:11,870 as any cursory overview of the language will show you. 180 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:16,100 But anyway, I've reached a point in my life and career. 181 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:19,550 where I've recognized that, you know what, being pedantic 182 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,850 and exacting about language is not always the best solution. 183 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,120 I know that that is heresy, Chris. 184 00:08:26,180 --> 00:08:27,140 But mostly? 185 00:08:27,650 --> 00:08:29,169 Probably not even mostly. 186 00:08:29,780 --> 00:08:35,530 Are there situations that call for using your lexicon with exacting precision? 187 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:36,600 Certainly. 188 00:08:36,970 --> 00:08:40,350 Is that situation a casual conversation with a colleague or friend? 189 00:08:40,850 --> 00:08:42,789 No, Chris, it's not. 190 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:46,079 This is going to bother you so much. 191 00:08:46,079 --> 00:08:46,490 I love it. 192 00:08:47,030 --> 00:08:48,290 Words mean things. 193 00:08:48,815 --> 00:08:51,355 But what they mean is constantly evolving and 194 00:08:51,355 --> 00:08:53,855 changing based on how humans use language. 195 00:08:54,475 --> 00:08:59,495 There's no right way, except what we've collectively decided is right. 196 00:09:00,114 --> 00:09:02,914 Remember, language isn't physics or mathematics. 197 00:09:03,194 --> 00:09:06,054 There's no natural law or inherent rules. 198 00:09:06,605 --> 00:09:11,585 Just humans being silly and trying badly to communicate with each other. 199 00:09:12,314 --> 00:09:16,485 Just remember, language literally evolves. 200 00:09:18,275 --> 00:09:20,765 Oh, you really wanted to get the literally in there, didn't you? 201 00:09:21,065 --> 00:09:21,825 I appreciate it. 202 00:09:22,245 --> 00:09:23,975 I just wanted to decimate your argument. 203 00:09:24,364 --> 00:09:25,935 Do you even know what decimate means? 204 00:09:26,595 --> 00:09:27,885 It means multiply by 10. 205 00:09:29,785 --> 00:09:31,765 For the most part, I've stopped correcting people 206 00:09:31,775 --> 00:09:34,765 on the use of on premises versus on premise. 207 00:09:35,075 --> 00:09:36,785 I don't care. 208 00:09:36,855 --> 00:09:37,965 I know what you mean. 209 00:09:38,265 --> 00:09:41,334 I also don't care whether you've capitalized VMware properly. 210 00:09:41,725 --> 00:09:43,405 And neither does OneNote, by the way. 211 00:09:44,115 --> 00:09:46,094 I'm convinced Microsoft does that on purpose. 212 00:09:46,734 --> 00:09:47,374 SMI. 213 00:09:48,134 --> 00:09:51,582 And I've just accepted that AI and ML, like literally 214 00:09:51,582 --> 00:09:55,355 and figuratively, are going to be used interchangeably. 215 00:09:57,295 --> 00:10:00,515 And for most situations, that's fine. 216 00:10:00,925 --> 00:10:02,255 Oh, I couldn't care less. 217 00:10:02,754 --> 00:10:04,004 You mean you couldn't care more? 218 00:10:04,445 --> 00:10:05,435 Or couldn't I? 219 00:10:06,844 --> 00:10:10,205 And yet, Supercloud really chaps my ass. 220 00:10:10,755 --> 00:10:13,474 Part of this discussion is an attempt to define 221 00:10:13,485 --> 00:10:16,545 Supercloud and how it's used, but the other part is a 222 00:10:16,545 --> 00:10:20,174 personal exploration of why this term bothers me so much. 223 00:10:20,824 --> 00:10:22,824 Cue the soft soothing zen music. 224 00:10:23,524 --> 00:10:27,444 There better be a, like a pan flute, or I'm just going to flip a table. 225 00:10:27,859 --> 00:10:28,560 Not this one. 226 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:31,219 This one's too heavy, but I'll find a table and I'll flip it. 227 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,119 God damn it. 228 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:33,949 Okay. 229 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,689 I tried to go into this with happiness, sunshine, and 230 00:10:37,689 --> 00:10:41,329 rainbows in my blood and just like feeling the Zen, feeling 231 00:10:41,329 --> 00:10:44,079 the flow, feeling the vibe, and I did not get there, Chris. 232 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,850 So what you're saying is you're lying to the 233 00:10:45,850 --> 00:10:46,340 listeners 234 00:10:46,369 --> 00:10:46,559 and 235 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:46,869 yourself. 236 00:10:47,599 --> 00:10:50,380 You went into this with malice aforethought, and we both know it. 237 00:10:50,589 --> 00:10:51,060 Okay, 238 00:10:51,530 --> 00:10:52,190 I tried. 239 00:10:52,430 --> 00:10:53,670 An attempt was made. 240 00:10:53,670 --> 00:10:59,469 So I'd like to first acknowledge that the term SuperCloud has been 241 00:10:59,469 --> 00:11:03,939 around since at least 2016, and if you google slash DuckDuckGo 242 00:11:04,249 --> 00:11:08,819 it, you will get a website from Cornell that is an actual software 243 00:11:08,829 --> 00:11:12,800 project to allow For application migrations between clouds. 244 00:11:13,410 --> 00:11:15,400 Having nothing to do with the way it's being used now. 245 00:11:15,910 --> 00:11:18,659 The second hit is actually an MIT web page about a 246 00:11:18,659 --> 00:11:21,870 project they called SuperCloud that was meant to enhance 247 00:11:21,870 --> 00:11:26,890 collaboration between MIT Lincoln Labs, students, and faculty. 248 00:11:27,509 --> 00:11:29,549 So again, nothing to do with this term. 249 00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:32,500 But my point is that the term is not exactly new. 250 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:33,940 People have thought of it before. 251 00:11:34,530 --> 00:11:36,844 And we can trace the origin of its use to Microsoft. 252 00:11:37,165 --> 00:11:41,075 In the current context, back to a post on SiliconANGLE 253 00:11:41,575 --> 00:11:45,765 called The Rise of Supercloud, which is not written in title 254 00:11:45,765 --> 00:11:49,314 case, just to poke the pendant in me a little bit more. 255 00:11:49,875 --> 00:11:50,415 Thanks. 256 00:11:51,235 --> 00:11:55,374 So, if you're not familiar with SiliconANGLE, and hey, if they can't capitalize 257 00:11:55,394 --> 00:11:59,295 things right, then I can't be bothered with their name capitalization either. 258 00:11:59,665 --> 00:12:01,185 You'll appreciate that if you're looking at the 259 00:12:01,185 --> 00:12:05,390 Google Doc, which, You aren't, but here we are. 260 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:06,780 Just roll with it. 261 00:12:07,349 --> 00:12:11,630 They are an industry analysis and news firm that is probably best known 262 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:16,759 for theCube, which is usually recorded live at various tech conferences 263 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:21,739 with hosts like Dave Valente and John Furrier chatting with vendors, 264 00:12:21,909 --> 00:12:25,689 other analysts, or themselves about what's going on in the tech industry. 265 00:12:26,064 --> 00:12:27,844 Sometimes the microphones are even on. 266 00:12:28,774 --> 00:12:29,584 Usually on. 267 00:12:30,724 --> 00:12:31,984 It's a professional outfit. 268 00:12:32,025 --> 00:12:33,375 They wear suits, Chris. 269 00:12:33,545 --> 00:12:35,094 That's how you know it's serious. 270 00:12:35,684 --> 00:12:37,104 I saw a TV show about that. 271 00:12:38,314 --> 00:12:40,794 Ironically, it was not a serious TV show. 272 00:12:42,354 --> 00:12:43,914 And I used irony properly. 273 00:12:44,244 --> 00:12:44,934 Huzzah. 274 00:12:46,324 --> 00:12:49,930 As someone who has done some work as an analyst, I can 275 00:12:49,930 --> 00:12:53,260 say that your primary job is to make shit up and try to 276 00:12:53,260 --> 00:12:57,209 make it catchy so your brand or your firm gains traction. 277 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,680 I'm sorry, I believe you mean a percentage of my share? 278 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:03,249 Ouch. 279 00:13:03,710 --> 00:13:07,750 For example, uh, consider the Magic Quadrant from Gartner. 280 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,099 You know it? 281 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,090 You love it? 282 00:13:11,550 --> 00:13:14,060 You might even think there's some hard science behind it. 283 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:16,740 I assure you, there is not. 284 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,860 For all the talk of qualitative versus quantitative measurement 285 00:13:20,899 --> 00:13:25,769 of vendor products, most of it is just a gut feeling and a guess. 286 00:13:26,325 --> 00:13:27,495 When I say most, I mean all. 287 00:13:28,065 --> 00:13:31,765 Well, you did say magic, so It's in the name. 288 00:13:32,945 --> 00:13:39,285 So analysts, as a job, you have to take multiple briefings a week from vendors, 289 00:13:39,715 --> 00:13:44,835 and you absolutely do not have time to test drive any of these solutions. 290 00:13:45,375 --> 00:13:49,755 In most cases, you do try to apply a skeptical eye to what the 291 00:13:49,755 --> 00:13:54,605 vendor is telling you, but not too skeptical, because you have to 292 00:13:54,605 --> 00:13:58,635 stay in the good graces of the vendor if you want future briefings. 293 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:01,740 Hmm, that's not a perverse incentive or anything. 294 00:14:01,850 --> 00:14:03,710 Ugh, I mean, it is fraught. 295 00:14:03,939 --> 00:14:04,610 I'll say that. 296 00:14:05,310 --> 00:14:10,500 So, you take the briefing, maybe you read some of the white papers, the 297 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:14,990 marketing, whatever, you peruse the website, and then you do a quick write 298 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,520 up and move on with to the next briefing that you have on your calendar. 299 00:14:19,030 --> 00:14:23,565 Now, analyst firms make money In two ways, broadly. 300 00:14:23,935 --> 00:14:27,545 The main way is by selling their analysis to companies 301 00:14:27,715 --> 00:14:30,715 who don't want to or can't do the research on their own. 302 00:14:31,365 --> 00:14:33,934 They also make money by doing research for the same 303 00:14:33,934 --> 00:14:37,425 vendors that they are supposed to be impartially judging. 304 00:14:38,785 --> 00:14:40,815 I'm going to admit, it is a weird industry. 305 00:14:41,344 --> 00:14:44,285 I'm not accusing anyone of unethical behavior. 306 00:14:44,735 --> 00:14:48,925 You 100 percent can maintain your morals and still get paid. 307 00:14:49,285 --> 00:14:52,235 But it does introduce the potential for pay to 308 00:14:52,235 --> 00:14:56,755 play and other, shall we say, below board behavior? 309 00:14:57,584 --> 00:14:58,814 So that was quite a tangent. 310 00:14:58,954 --> 00:15:00,534 Why did I even get into all that? 311 00:15:01,354 --> 00:15:02,175 Irish coffee? 312 00:15:02,364 --> 00:15:02,764 Yeah. 313 00:15:04,345 --> 00:15:04,485 Woo! 314 00:15:05,374 --> 00:15:05,865 Uh, no. 315 00:15:06,265 --> 00:15:07,194 The super cloud. 316 00:15:07,245 --> 00:15:08,144 That's, that's where. 317 00:15:08,145 --> 00:15:08,644 Oh, yeah. 318 00:15:08,645 --> 00:15:08,985 Yeah. 319 00:15:08,995 --> 00:15:09,794 Forgot about. 320 00:15:09,885 --> 00:15:10,145 Alright. 321 00:15:10,145 --> 00:15:14,974 So, analyst firms need you, the ostensible 322 00:15:14,984 --> 00:15:17,784 customer, to trust what they are saying. 323 00:15:18,334 --> 00:15:20,165 They need to be thought leaders. 324 00:15:20,734 --> 00:15:23,594 They need to be on the cutting edge of what's happening in the industry. 325 00:15:23,975 --> 00:15:27,335 And there's no better way to do that than making up a new 326 00:15:27,335 --> 00:15:30,965 term and convincing everyone it's useful and relevant. 327 00:15:31,725 --> 00:15:33,655 Gartner has their magic quadrant. 328 00:15:34,005 --> 00:15:36,524 Forrester has the wave. 329 00:15:37,425 --> 00:15:39,934 And I guess SiliconANGLE has rolled out the supercloud? 330 00:15:40,405 --> 00:15:41,665 Rerolled it, I guess. 331 00:15:42,155 --> 00:15:43,264 Rickrolled it? 332 00:15:43,265 --> 00:15:44,845 Because we never got to give it up. 333 00:15:44,845 --> 00:15:47,155 They might never let it down. 334 00:15:47,255 --> 00:15:47,795 I don't know. 335 00:15:48,355 --> 00:15:49,405 Why supercloud? 336 00:15:49,835 --> 00:15:52,034 Didn't we already have enough cloudy terms, Chris? 337 00:15:52,405 --> 00:15:53,185 One would think. 338 00:15:53,665 --> 00:15:55,655 Let's review some of my favorite examples. 339 00:15:56,065 --> 00:15:56,885 Hybrid cloud. 340 00:15:56,994 --> 00:16:00,135 Running applications in your data center and the public cloud. 341 00:16:00,515 --> 00:16:01,295 Multicloud. 342 00:16:01,494 --> 00:16:03,635 Running applications in multiple clouds. 343 00:16:03,935 --> 00:16:04,674 Private cloud. 344 00:16:04,874 --> 00:16:07,015 Running applications in a non public cloud. 345 00:16:07,284 --> 00:16:07,975 Public cloud. 346 00:16:08,395 --> 00:16:11,145 Running applications in a public cloud. 347 00:16:11,384 --> 00:16:12,995 Multitenant environment. 348 00:16:13,514 --> 00:16:14,484 Community Cloud. 349 00:16:14,834 --> 00:16:16,734 Running applications in a cloud that has 350 00:16:16,734 --> 00:16:18,714 really strict rules about who can use them. 351 00:16:19,185 --> 00:16:20,535 Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. 352 00:16:20,645 --> 00:16:21,135 Cloud. 353 00:16:21,504 --> 00:16:22,454 How I feel every morning. 354 00:16:23,895 --> 00:16:25,335 We've got a lot of terms here. 355 00:16:25,814 --> 00:16:29,375 that define a lot of ways to deploy and manage applications 356 00:16:29,425 --> 00:16:32,564 and all of them seem to have this cloud term attached. 357 00:16:33,155 --> 00:16:34,084 What's that all about? 358 00:16:34,365 --> 00:16:35,845 Why so much cloud, Chris? 359 00:16:36,475 --> 00:16:38,245 Well, I mean, we're talking about the cloud. 360 00:16:38,245 --> 00:16:40,075 One would assume that the word would show up 361 00:16:40,075 --> 00:16:41,184 every once in a while. 362 00:16:41,834 --> 00:16:44,324 See, the term cloud has been used into oblivion. 363 00:16:45,015 --> 00:16:47,075 If I had to define it, I think of cloud as 364 00:16:47,075 --> 00:16:49,855 an operational model more than anything else. 365 00:16:49,965 --> 00:16:54,025 You know, it's about things like automation, elasticity, self 366 00:16:54,025 --> 00:16:58,745 service, I And Measuring Consumption, you know, that NIST definition. 367 00:16:59,365 --> 00:17:01,695 It wasn't so bad, like, they did a pretty good job. 368 00:17:03,045 --> 00:17:05,155 Yeah, I mean, what ended up happening is that the 369 00:17:05,155 --> 00:17:09,305 language turned Cloud into a verb as well as a noun. 370 00:17:09,565 --> 00:17:12,495 And that's where a lot of the problem comes in as you're mixing definitions. 371 00:17:13,045 --> 00:17:16,065 Which is why we had so many names for things that 372 00:17:16,065 --> 00:17:18,265 don't have all that much difference between them. 373 00:17:18,785 --> 00:17:22,625 Right, but it's different implementations of the same operational model. 374 00:17:22,625 --> 00:17:22,675 Right. 375 00:17:23,335 --> 00:17:26,125 It mostly has to do with where your applications are running. 376 00:17:27,665 --> 00:17:31,805 So, Supercloud, as a term, came to exist because Silicon Angle 377 00:17:31,845 --> 00:17:35,395 analyst John Furrier was trying to invent a term to describe 378 00:17:35,435 --> 00:17:39,125 a trend he and others had observed in the tech landscape. 379 00:17:39,645 --> 00:17:44,685 Simply put, there were a bunch of technology vendors building new platforms 380 00:17:44,695 --> 00:17:50,615 based on the primitives of the public cloud vendors, like AWS, Azure, and GCP. 381 00:17:50,825 --> 00:17:54,265 So, we're talking about Infrastructure as a Service coming from any of 382 00:17:54,265 --> 00:17:58,955 those vendors, or maybe even Platform as a Service, like RDS or Azure SQL. 383 00:17:59,655 --> 00:18:03,265 And these vendors were building higher level abstractions. 384 00:18:03,570 --> 00:18:08,080 And offering those to customers as an alternative of building it themselves. 385 00:18:08,810 --> 00:18:12,780 Now, if that sounds suspiciously like, uh, SaaS, you're not wrong. 386 00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:16,309 Cause it is X as a service X as a service. 387 00:18:16,309 --> 00:18:16,639 Sure. 388 00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:21,639 So I also noticed this trend of what I would call cloud native 389 00:18:21,639 --> 00:18:26,659 companies and products that aren't SaaS in the traditional sense, but 390 00:18:26,659 --> 00:18:30,770 they are using public cloud primitives to build out their platform. 391 00:18:31,210 --> 00:18:33,910 And when I use the word platform, I'm using that. 392 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:40,230 For a reason, I'm talking about a set of technologies that another company would 393 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:45,330 use to build their product or application that they would offer to end users. 394 00:18:46,159 --> 00:18:49,669 In the same way that Oracle has a database platform used 395 00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:52,520 by thousands of companies to build their applications. 396 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:56,270 A super cloud offering would do the same, but with 397 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,169 the added benefit of offering it as a service. 398 00:18:59,820 --> 00:19:01,629 I mean, you can get Oracle as a service. 399 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,009 I feel like a lot of this would be cleared up 400 00:19:05,009 --> 00:19:07,600 in 30 seconds with a whiteboard demonstration. 401 00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:08,499 It might. 402 00:19:09,219 --> 00:19:11,539 Since this is an audio medium, I'm going to do 403 00:19:11,539 --> 00:19:13,709 an audio whiteboard, which takes a lot longer. 404 00:19:14,159 --> 00:19:15,859 Pictures of a thousand words, etc. 405 00:19:15,899 --> 00:19:16,120 Yeah. 406 00:19:17,299 --> 00:19:20,049 So the cognitive dissonance here lies in the 407 00:19:20,049 --> 00:19:23,379 difference between a platform and an application. 408 00:19:23,679 --> 00:19:27,419 And I'll be the first to admit that that is a tenuous distinction at best. 409 00:19:27,989 --> 00:19:31,740 And it harkens back to the old defense of, I know it when I see it. 410 00:19:32,779 --> 00:19:34,270 Maybe some examples are in order. 411 00:19:34,679 --> 00:19:35,929 That might clarify things. 412 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:38,689 So, an example would be Snowflake. 413 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:41,770 They built out a data warehouse and analytics 414 00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:45,540 platform that sits astride the public clouds. 415 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:51,745 Now, your average end user is not going to directly interface with Snowflake. 416 00:19:51,965 --> 00:19:54,795 Instead, they're going to use an application that leverages 417 00:19:55,035 --> 00:19:58,505 the Snowflake platform, but that fact is abstracted 418 00:19:58,595 --> 00:20:02,004 from the end user, hidden from the consumer entirely. 419 00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:05,055 Another example is, uh, Aviatrix. 420 00:20:05,404 --> 00:20:09,309 They are building a multi cloud networking abstraction solution. 421 00:20:09,530 --> 00:20:13,840 Now, you might use that as the transport for your applications, 422 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,020 but again, this is never going to be customer facing. 423 00:20:17,030 --> 00:20:20,510 The customer who's using your apps has no idea that you're using 424 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,870 Aviatrix to manage the network transport across your clouds. 425 00:20:25,575 --> 00:20:29,004 Now, the differentiation here is traditional software 426 00:20:29,004 --> 00:20:33,155 as a service is generally end user or customer facing. 427 00:20:33,345 --> 00:20:38,134 Think Canva, Office 365, NetSuite, etc. 428 00:20:38,414 --> 00:20:41,294 All of these offerings are consumed by non 429 00:20:41,335 --> 00:20:43,785 technology professionals to get their work done. 430 00:20:44,204 --> 00:20:47,005 In some cases, solutions like Salesforce. 431 00:20:47,085 --> 00:20:51,655 com have drifted into the platform territory, But as I said, 432 00:20:51,745 --> 00:20:55,434 the distinction between platform and SaaS can be a bit tenuous. 433 00:20:55,965 --> 00:20:58,335 Especially for the Salesforce example. 434 00:20:58,725 --> 00:21:00,795 Like that might even end up being its own definition. 435 00:21:00,805 --> 00:21:02,395 Salesforce as a service. 436 00:21:02,945 --> 00:21:06,685 Well, the thing about Salesforce is they bought a whole platform. 437 00:21:07,474 --> 00:21:08,855 So what's the name of it? 438 00:21:08,895 --> 00:21:09,475 Heroku. 439 00:21:09,824 --> 00:21:10,654 They bought Heroku. 440 00:21:10,665 --> 00:21:13,745 So that was like, Hey, this is literally a platform 441 00:21:13,755 --> 00:21:16,034 people build applications on on a regular basis. 442 00:21:16,045 --> 00:21:17,984 So they do have that, but also we're going 443 00:21:17,984 --> 00:21:19,665 to call this Salesforce too. 444 00:21:20,724 --> 00:21:25,574 Also within the larger Salesforce umbrella, they bought like a web 445 00:21:25,574 --> 00:21:29,895 application firewall company, I think at some point, and they also. 446 00:21:30,210 --> 00:21:35,060 Just their actual service has a bunch of programming platforms inside of it. 447 00:21:35,070 --> 00:21:38,320 So it's just like, yes, it is a platform, but it's also a service. 448 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:39,160 It's confusing. 449 00:21:39,370 --> 00:21:39,700 Anyway. 450 00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:41,589 Maybe they're a cloud. 451 00:21:41,809 --> 00:21:42,290 Maybe they're a service. 452 00:21:42,309 --> 00:21:42,880 Oh god. 453 00:21:43,790 --> 00:21:44,960 It's a cloud inside a cloud. 454 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:45,529 Dear god. 455 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:50,429 So, There is a working group definition of Supercloud 456 00:21:50,439 --> 00:21:52,689 you can check out, links in the show notes, etc. 457 00:21:53,310 --> 00:21:56,050 And it attempts to put some formal constraints around 458 00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:59,259 the term Supercloud and what it is intended to mean. 459 00:21:59,629 --> 00:22:04,179 And they allow, they lay out three key characteristics or essential 460 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,489 properties that a Supercloud offering would have to include. 461 00:22:07,890 --> 00:22:12,590 First one, run a set of services across more than one cloud. 462 00:22:12,850 --> 00:22:13,470 Maybe. 463 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:19,439 Okay, Purpose Built SuperPaaS Layer is the second one, which is a new term! 464 00:22:19,580 --> 00:22:20,520 SuperPaaS! 465 00:22:20,659 --> 00:22:21,149 Fun! 466 00:22:21,820 --> 00:22:24,110 Wait, so we're using a new term to define 467 00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:24,730 a new term? 468 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:25,300 Yes. 469 00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:26,129 Yes, we are. 470 00:22:26,130 --> 00:22:27,549 Mm hmm. 471 00:22:27,910 --> 00:22:30,559 I swear this is not an Ouroboros type situation. 472 00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:33,450 The last one is Metadata Intelligence. 473 00:22:34,075 --> 00:22:35,785 You probably want me to define that too. 474 00:22:36,225 --> 00:22:36,855 I think we should. 475 00:22:37,005 --> 00:22:38,595 Yeah, let's take it from the top. 476 00:22:38,595 --> 00:22:38,625 Okay. 477 00:22:39,035 --> 00:22:41,105 So the first one is pretty intuitive. 478 00:22:41,315 --> 00:22:44,245 You know, it's a service. 479 00:22:44,245 --> 00:22:45,115 It's multi-cloud. 480 00:22:45,115 --> 00:22:46,255 It's multi-cloud, right? 481 00:22:46,285 --> 00:22:48,415 This application is available across multiple clouds. 482 00:22:48,445 --> 00:22:49,255 Okay, I get that. 483 00:22:49,255 --> 00:22:49,945 That's easy enough. 484 00:22:50,405 --> 00:22:53,075 The second one is a new made up term called Super 485 00:22:53,075 --> 00:22:55,505 Paths Super platform as a service, which no. 486 00:22:56,130 --> 00:22:56,510 Nope. 487 00:22:57,900 --> 00:22:58,440 Stop it. 488 00:22:58,510 --> 00:23:00,330 That's also just multi cloud. 489 00:23:00,620 --> 00:23:02,980 They're trying to describe a platform that spans multiple 490 00:23:02,990 --> 00:23:05,380 clouds and hides the underlying cloud primitives. 491 00:23:05,610 --> 00:23:08,290 That's what a platform is. 492 00:23:08,910 --> 00:23:10,160 We have a word for it. 493 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,210 Don't need a new one. 494 00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:14,060 It would just be a multi cloud platform. 495 00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:14,770 Yes. 496 00:23:15,170 --> 00:23:18,970 The third property simply means that the SuperCloud offering 497 00:23:18,990 --> 00:23:22,740 is aware of the underlying components and it can make informed 498 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:28,139 decisions based on regionality, cost, reliability, etc. 499 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,610 And that's um, that's just cloud native. 500 00:23:31,155 --> 00:23:31,975 Already has a term. 501 00:23:32,415 --> 00:23:32,795 Right. 502 00:23:33,045 --> 00:23:33,595 Okay. 503 00:23:34,535 --> 00:23:35,735 So those are the properties. 504 00:23:35,885 --> 00:23:38,025 There's also three deployment models. 505 00:23:38,505 --> 00:23:41,705 Single cloud instantiation, which really seems 506 00:23:41,705 --> 00:23:43,985 to contradict the first essential property. 507 00:23:44,275 --> 00:23:45,015 Yeah. 508 00:23:45,994 --> 00:23:51,344 Multi cloud slash multi region and global instantiation, 509 00:23:51,825 --> 00:23:54,595 which again seems like the same thing twice. 510 00:23:54,965 --> 00:23:56,965 So that's a super cloud of super clouds? 511 00:23:57,045 --> 00:23:57,995 Of super clouds. 512 00:23:58,360 --> 00:23:58,860 Nice. 513 00:23:58,860 --> 00:23:59,620 It's a super, super set. 514 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:01,770 Which actually just gets you back to the empty 515 00:24:01,770 --> 00:24:03,710 set, which is different than the null set. 516 00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:04,150 Ah. 517 00:24:05,070 --> 00:24:07,550 It's too early in the morning for math, we're just going to power on through. 518 00:24:08,569 --> 00:24:10,550 Putting that CS degree to work, baby. 519 00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:15,060 No mention of transubstantiation, which, weird, but okay. 520 00:24:15,619 --> 00:24:18,169 Trying to pick those terms apart. 521 00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:21,160 The key here, I think they're trying to make, is the 522 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,830 distinction of the control plane versus the data services. 523 00:24:25,354 --> 00:24:28,024 So, the deployment model is mostly referring 524 00:24:28,024 --> 00:24:30,725 to how the control plane itself is deployed. 525 00:24:31,245 --> 00:24:34,065 As a consumer, I shouldn't have to care about that at all. 526 00:24:34,375 --> 00:24:36,264 As long as your control plane is available and I 527 00:24:36,264 --> 00:24:39,814 can access it, why do I care how it's deployed? 528 00:24:40,275 --> 00:24:42,574 Give me the right number of 9s and everything 529 00:24:42,574 --> 00:24:44,515 else is just an implementation detail. 530 00:24:44,525 --> 00:24:48,920 Like for instance, Does Office 365 tell me where their control plane is running? 531 00:24:49,420 --> 00:24:49,860 No! 532 00:24:50,650 --> 00:24:51,730 Not even if you ask. 533 00:24:52,260 --> 00:24:52,950 Exactly. 534 00:24:53,550 --> 00:24:54,180 So that's it. 535 00:24:54,439 --> 00:24:59,130 We get three properties of the super cloud and three deployment models. 536 00:24:59,670 --> 00:25:00,960 That contradict each other. 537 00:25:01,530 --> 00:25:02,850 So if I can summarize. 538 00:25:04,405 --> 00:25:07,004 Supercloud is a distributed platform used to build 539 00:25:07,034 --> 00:25:09,605 applications from abstractive cloud primitives. 540 00:25:10,065 --> 00:25:13,295 It's a platform for building applications. 541 00:25:13,874 --> 00:25:16,375 It's a platform. 542 00:25:16,875 --> 00:25:19,065 You ever say the same word so many times 543 00:25:19,065 --> 00:25:21,004 that it just kind of starts to lose meaning? 544 00:25:21,665 --> 00:25:26,985 Platinum, Constantly, Orange, Toy Boat, Toy Boat, Toy Boat, Toy Boat, Toy Boat. 545 00:25:28,085 --> 00:25:32,225 So Supercloud is as Supercloud does. 546 00:25:32,845 --> 00:25:35,735 Does this new term need to exist? 547 00:25:36,375 --> 00:25:36,975 No. 548 00:25:37,075 --> 00:25:37,765 No. 549 00:25:37,984 --> 00:25:38,294 Sweet. 550 00:25:38,325 --> 00:25:38,994 Episode over. 551 00:25:39,144 --> 00:25:39,524 Bye. 552 00:25:39,934 --> 00:25:40,424 Good work. 553 00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:40,914 Thanks. 554 00:25:41,164 --> 00:25:41,425 Just kidding. 555 00:25:41,434 --> 00:25:42,404 Let's go get sandwiches. 556 00:25:43,284 --> 00:25:48,005 In the working definition document, they address that very question in an FAQ. 557 00:25:48,345 --> 00:25:49,595 And I thought I would just quote it. 558 00:25:50,645 --> 00:25:53,395 Quote, There is broad agreement that clouds in 559 00:25:53,404 --> 00:25:56,445 the 2020s are different from clouds in the 2010s. 560 00:25:57,215 --> 00:25:59,695 Lot more cumulonimbus, I think. 561 00:26:00,035 --> 00:26:00,875 Sorry, that was an aside. 562 00:26:01,815 --> 00:26:07,595 That something new is happening within the AWS and other cloud ecosystems. 563 00:26:07,835 --> 00:26:13,605 beyond traditional IaaS and PaaS, and isn't just SaaS running in the cloud. 564 00:26:14,045 --> 00:26:18,124 Supercloud is an attempt to describe a new architecture that integrates 565 00:26:18,425 --> 00:26:22,405 infrastructure, unique platform attributes, and software to solve 566 00:26:22,415 --> 00:26:26,944 specific problems that public cloud vendors aren't directly addressing. 567 00:26:26,945 --> 00:26:29,785 Supercloud is an evocative term that 568 00:26:29,805 --> 00:26:32,395 catalyzes debate, conversation, and thought. 569 00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:34,500 So, that's the end of the quote. 570 00:26:35,250 --> 00:26:38,400 Basically, what that tells me is, this is a term for stirring the pot. 571 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,870 It's exciting. 572 00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:41,420 It gets the people going. 573 00:26:42,429 --> 00:26:46,510 It's a term that elevates the profile of those who invented it. 574 00:26:46,925 --> 00:26:51,425 It's a term that can be trademarked and used for marketing purposes, if desired. 575 00:26:52,024 --> 00:26:52,835 And it's desired. 576 00:26:53,355 --> 00:26:53,675 Right. 577 00:26:54,375 --> 00:26:55,165 What do you mean, if? 578 00:26:55,795 --> 00:27:00,344 It's a term that is both useful for debate and useless for anything practical. 579 00:27:00,955 --> 00:27:04,464 It's the change my mind Steven Crowder meme. 580 00:27:04,544 --> 00:27:08,445 Worse yet, it might even be the Ben Shapiro of cloud terms. 581 00:27:09,015 --> 00:27:10,405 Whoa, too far. 582 00:27:10,685 --> 00:27:11,324 Whoa. 583 00:27:11,824 --> 00:27:12,245 Yeah. 584 00:27:12,475 --> 00:27:12,794 Okay. 585 00:27:13,685 --> 00:27:14,135 Fair enough. 586 00:27:14,165 --> 00:27:15,225 That might've been too far. 587 00:27:15,245 --> 00:27:16,125 I'll take that one back. 588 00:27:16,775 --> 00:27:19,475 No one deserves to be called the Ben Shapiro of anything. 589 00:27:19,975 --> 00:27:20,405 Thank you. 590 00:27:20,835 --> 00:27:21,165 Okay. 591 00:27:21,704 --> 00:27:23,464 And shit, you know, it's working. 592 00:27:23,984 --> 00:27:24,975 I'm talking about it. 593 00:27:25,514 --> 00:27:27,984 It was discussed in an it round table at 594 00:27:27,984 --> 00:27:30,745 cloud field day 15 link in the show notes. 595 00:27:31,345 --> 00:27:35,635 I've heard it mentioned on podcasts in articles and blog posts. 596 00:27:35,975 --> 00:27:41,969 Now, most of them are dismissive of the term at best, but They are engaging. 597 00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:43,610 Does that make me culpable? 598 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:45,429 Am I part of the problem? 599 00:27:46,239 --> 00:27:47,860 I've been telling you that for years. 600 00:27:48,620 --> 00:27:50,320 That's because we're all pundits now, Chris. 601 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,179 Gotta feed the content machine. 602 00:27:54,550 --> 00:27:58,769 If you're an analyst or a marketing firm, supercloud is a term that will likely 603 00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:04,419 be used to imply or imbue some mystical properties on a product or service. 604 00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:09,060 Leverage the supercloud with pedantry from Misanthropy Inc. 605 00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:12,120 Subsidiary of Salesforce. 606 00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:13,899 Probably. 607 00:28:14,209 --> 00:28:15,169 They just acquired us. 608 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,129 1. 609 00:28:16,129 --> 00:28:16,510 6 million. 610 00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:19,629 Is it useful to practitioners? 611 00:28:20,215 --> 00:28:21,035 Probably not. 612 00:28:21,475 --> 00:28:26,275 If I am an application architect and I need a data platform, I can evaluate 613 00:28:26,275 --> 00:28:31,515 Snowflake, AWS Aurora slash Redshift, and Oracle and decide which one meets 614 00:28:31,515 --> 00:28:35,415 my requirements without throwing some kind of weird terminology into the mix. 615 00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:39,990 If I'm, I don't know, working on a platform team at an enterprise, 616 00:28:40,409 --> 00:28:45,320 I might be interested in a super cloud type product to integrate 617 00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:49,219 into the platform I offer to my product teams in my organization. 618 00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:53,580 But again, the super cloud terminology itself, not all that useful. 619 00:28:54,060 --> 00:28:57,079 Especially since we've already got words for all of that. 620 00:28:57,219 --> 00:28:57,780 I know. 621 00:28:58,250 --> 00:29:02,190 Does the term group similar offerings into a category 622 00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:04,980 where they can be compared fairly on their merits? 623 00:29:05,475 --> 00:29:08,754 Not really, which would actually be a useful thing to do. 624 00:29:09,324 --> 00:29:11,365 What does NetApp vs. 625 00:29:11,544 --> 00:29:12,685 Snowflake vs. 626 00:29:13,135 --> 00:29:14,504 VMware have to do with each other? 627 00:29:15,175 --> 00:29:19,175 Ooh, ooh, we can compare the swag bags we get at conferences. 628 00:29:19,435 --> 00:29:20,185 Ooh, that's true. 629 00:29:20,714 --> 00:29:23,275 In my experience, NetApp has been the best with the swag. 630 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,120 I was going to say one time 631 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:25,179 I 632 00:29:25,179 --> 00:29:25,929 got a wind up 633 00:29:25,929 --> 00:29:26,649 dancing robot. 634 00:29:27,449 --> 00:29:30,909 I got a like a raspberry pi robot assembly from them. 635 00:29:31,150 --> 00:29:33,790 Yeah, stop bragging about how many raspberry pies people give you. 636 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:35,509 So many, so many. 637 00:29:36,459 --> 00:29:38,030 None of these vendors have anything to do with each 638 00:29:38,030 --> 00:29:40,260 other, but they all could have a super cloud product. 639 00:29:41,479 --> 00:29:45,690 So what we're really doing here is grouping together disparate product offerings 640 00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:49,640 and rolling them into a useless category for comparison and evaluation. 641 00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:53,450 So I think it also fails as a term used by analysts as well. 642 00:29:54,085 --> 00:29:58,125 Yeah, which is why I have a feeling, A, if it does 643 00:29:58,125 --> 00:30:01,025 continue to be used, it's going to evolve again. 644 00:30:01,625 --> 00:30:04,295 But B, I kind of feel like it's just not 645 00:30:04,305 --> 00:30:07,465 going to get used because it's not precise. 646 00:30:08,025 --> 00:30:08,815 Well, that's never stopped 647 00:30:08,815 --> 00:30:09,315 anybody. 648 00:30:10,665 --> 00:30:12,715 But I mean, at the end of the day, it is what it is. 649 00:30:13,275 --> 00:30:17,745 Which is everything and nothing at the same time, which is a paradox. 650 00:30:17,875 --> 00:30:18,755 Isn't it ironic? 651 00:30:19,285 --> 00:30:23,775 Don't you think I do and Atlantis would agree that this is really just a 652 00:30:23,775 --> 00:30:28,815 marketing term with a touch of self promotion from Silicon angle And we already 653 00:30:28,815 --> 00:30:32,855 have a term for what they're talking about and it's called cross cloud platform. 654 00:30:33,355 --> 00:30:34,635 What are you multi cloud? 655 00:30:35,135 --> 00:30:37,145 I'm building a multicloud Cloud is great. 656 00:30:37,495 --> 00:30:39,625 Yes, I'm building a multi-cloud platform. 657 00:30:39,835 --> 00:30:40,345 Done. 658 00:30:40,635 --> 00:30:41,025 Did it. 659 00:30:41,115 --> 00:30:41,865 Have a term. 660 00:30:41,955 --> 00:30:42,975 Don't need another one. 661 00:30:43,035 --> 00:30:43,605 Thanks a lot. 662 00:30:43,605 --> 00:30:44,055 High five. 663 00:30:44,265 --> 00:30:44,685 Nailed it. 664 00:30:44,685 --> 00:30:45,015 Boom. 665 00:30:45,195 --> 00:30:45,735 Nailed it. 666 00:30:46,175 --> 00:30:49,475 So I will be happy to never mention Supercloud again. 667 00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:52,250 Like a fish? 668 00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:53,410 Hmm. 669 00:30:53,740 --> 00:30:54,370 I like fish. 670 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,260 Left shark? 671 00:30:55,660 --> 00:30:56,300 Right shark? 672 00:30:56,610 --> 00:30:58,619 Left shark, right shark, left shark, right shark. 673 00:30:59,100 --> 00:30:59,400 Okay. 674 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:00,670 Landing round? 675 00:31:01,230 --> 00:31:02,470 Sure. 676 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:03,880 This is so gross. 677 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,510 Amazon announces pre order for Halo Rise because 678 00:31:09,530 --> 00:31:12,650 Bezos literally wants to watch you sleep. 679 00:31:13,660 --> 00:31:16,040 This has nothing to do with the Halo show. 680 00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:20,040 No, it has to do with the Halo stream of products from Amazon. 681 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,550 I don't know what the hell that is. 682 00:31:21,670 --> 00:31:22,060 Okay. 683 00:31:22,170 --> 00:31:24,610 It's a whole, can I just talk? 684 00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:25,390 Maybe? 685 00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:28,920 Last month brought the announcement that Amazon wanted to buy 686 00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:33,405 iRobot, the company that is most famous for the Roomba, which Bad 687 00:31:33,405 --> 00:31:36,385 enough that now Amazon wants to know what your house looks like. 688 00:31:36,765 --> 00:31:39,815 Now they're releasing a sleep tracker slash alarm clock 689 00:31:39,845 --> 00:31:42,755 combination that observes your night moves from the 690 00:31:42,765 --> 00:31:47,015 bedside table, and of course, can integrate into Alexa. 691 00:31:47,175 --> 00:31:49,035 Will it help me work on my night moves? 692 00:31:49,805 --> 00:31:53,145 So you could, in theory, have an automation for the Halo Rise 693 00:31:53,145 --> 00:31:56,395 to, I don't know, alert a smart outlet to power on as you wake 694 00:31:56,395 --> 00:31:59,825 up, thus brewing coffee at the moment you gain consciousness. 695 00:32:00,325 --> 00:32:00,975 Why not? 696 00:32:01,465 --> 00:32:04,025 I have little to say about the sleep tracker itself. 697 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:07,430 Except to remind people that all consumer sleep tracking 698 00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:10,760 devices are based on inference and averages, and most sleep 699 00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:14,260 doctors recommend against relying on them for anything at all. 700 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,010 If you're having problems, go get a sleep study. 701 00:32:18,130 --> 00:32:21,990 For example, my sleep tracker has recorded me having exactly zero 702 00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:25,700 REM sleep for the past five days, and that can't possibly be accurate 703 00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:28,790 because I feel completely biscuit doppelganger banana nosedive. 704 00:32:30,805 --> 00:32:31,255 I'm back. 705 00:32:31,765 --> 00:32:36,545 The problem I have with this is Amazon's increasing intrusions into 706 00:32:36,735 --> 00:32:41,885 all aspects of our lives, and that is by their own admitted design. 707 00:32:42,775 --> 00:32:48,280 They want their Skynet to be All of our individual Jarvis's. 708 00:32:48,550 --> 00:32:53,850 They also want to misuse all of our most personal information for their profit. 709 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,360 For me to trust this kind of uniform visibility into my life would require 710 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,700 Amazon to have ever been responsible regarding people's PII in the past. 711 00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:09,090 You would think that this would be, I don't know, important to Amazon? 712 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,680 Well, TLDR, it isn't. 713 00:33:13,510 --> 00:33:17,440 Unfortunately, much like Facebook, keeping your data safe is a 714 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,950 bar that Amazon has consistently and repeatedly failed to clear. 715 00:33:22,290 --> 00:33:22,830 Yay? 716 00:33:23,890 --> 00:33:24,920 No, not yay. 717 00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:29,160 Reason number zero, not to run Exchange yourself. 718 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,630 Late on Thursday, September 29th, Microsoft announced a zero day 719 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,880 vulnerability for Microsoft Exchange servers that ranked a whopping 9. 720 00:33:37,930 --> 00:33:39,970 8 on the CVE scale. 721 00:33:40,090 --> 00:33:41,180 So close to 10. 722 00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:42,549 Thought you could have done it. 723 00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:44,840 You know, with a little more gumption, they could have gotten there. 724 00:33:45,380 --> 00:33:47,200 So that's um, bad. 725 00:33:48,050 --> 00:33:49,570 Yes, I have it written down here. 726 00:33:49,875 --> 00:33:51,005 That is bad. 727 00:33:51,575 --> 00:33:52,605 How bad is it? 728 00:33:53,395 --> 00:33:57,755 There are roughly 220, 000 exchange servers running out in the 729 00:33:57,755 --> 00:34:01,615 wild that are internet accessible and vulnerable to the exploit. 730 00:34:01,855 --> 00:34:05,305 Or exploits, rather, since this is a combo attack. 731 00:34:06,095 --> 00:34:10,885 The first is a server side request forgery vulnerability which allows the 732 00:34:10,885 --> 00:34:15,995 attacker to trigger the second, A remote code execution through PowerShell. 733 00:34:16,435 --> 00:34:20,655 Attackers will need valid credentials of at least one email user to 734 00:34:20,655 --> 00:34:25,345 successfully run this attack, so hopefully none of your users have weak or 735 00:34:25,345 --> 00:34:30,905 reused passwords and can't be fooled by phishing or social engineering attacks. 736 00:34:31,385 --> 00:34:35,435 As far as we know, this set of exploits only affects on premises 737 00:34:35,465 --> 00:34:38,845 Exchange servers and not Microsoft's Exchange Online service. 738 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:43,370 However, if you happen to be running in hybrid mode, which I know 739 00:34:43,370 --> 00:34:47,480 a lot of you are, that pesky hybrid server that you put in a corner 740 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,520 and forgot about, that is still very much vulnerable to this attack. 741 00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:55,710 Microsoft has an advisory post up that details the 742 00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:59,450 vulnerabilities and suggested mitigation strategies. 743 00:34:59,915 --> 00:35:04,485 They all basically boil down to adding a URL rewrite to prevent access 744 00:35:04,505 --> 00:35:09,005 to PowerShell through the AutoDiscover service and disabling PowerShell 745 00:35:09,045 --> 00:35:13,275 access for non admin users, which you probably should have done anyway. 746 00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:16,700 As of this recording, there is no patch for the vulnerability, 747 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,150 but Microsoft is scrambling to get one out the door ASAP. 748 00:35:20,420 --> 00:35:23,710 On an unrelated note, I am available to assist with Office 749 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,420 365 migrations for the low, low price of 400 an hour. 750 00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:30,980 Send inquiries via Carrier Pigeon to NEDS, Northeast 751 00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:33,520 Bay Station Care of Cybernetics Incorporated. 752 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,580 A subsidiary of Salesforce. 753 00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:37,990 A subsidiary, uh, 754 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,100 OpenAI removes waitlists and gives full immediate access to DALI. 755 00:35:47,850 --> 00:35:53,280 Man, the world of AI generating apps is moving fast. 756 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,180 Once upon a time, we had only ever heard of DALI. 757 00:35:56,790 --> 00:36:00,390 Well, I mean, really it was crayon because DALI was only 758 00:36:00,390 --> 00:36:05,540 available to a select few artists, technologists, AI researchers. 759 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,640 That all changed this week though. 760 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,860 OpenAI has decided to grant full public access 761 00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:13,550 to DALI, completely removing the waitlist. 762 00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:17,600 According to OpenAI, this is to expand DALI's capabilities 763 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,110 through widespread use and training, with the company saying 764 00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:23,990 effectively, we need to put it out into the world and let it learn. 765 00:36:24,725 --> 00:36:28,355 Realistically, though, this is probably because competitors in the 766 00:36:28,375 --> 00:36:33,015 AI image generating space, such as Midjourney and Stable Diffusion, 767 00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:36,745 are absolutely eating Dali's lunch when it comes to popularity. 768 00:36:37,505 --> 00:36:43,055 The decision feels fraught, as OpenAI wasn't supposed to just chase users. 769 00:36:43,765 --> 00:36:46,855 The company was designed to work for the benefit 770 00:36:46,885 --> 00:36:50,525 of all humanity and other such high minded goals. 771 00:36:51,175 --> 00:36:54,385 Many hand wringing Twitter users have said that this is going to 772 00:36:54,395 --> 00:36:58,155 be instantly problematic, as this widespread access could lead 773 00:36:58,155 --> 00:37:01,345 to misuse, such as creating offensive or pornographic images. 774 00:37:01,965 --> 00:37:05,545 There is also concern that OpenAI could be overwhelmed with requests, 775 00:37:05,585 --> 00:37:09,330 and that the quality of images Generated could suffer as a result. 776 00:37:09,940 --> 00:37:14,980 Twitter user, at Tim O'Brien, states, The accumulation of ethical debt will 777 00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:19,630 be immediate, while the mop up of the resulting mess will go on in perpetuity. 778 00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:20,620 Love it. 779 00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:22,130 Doesn't that just 780 00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:24,170 describe society, though? 781 00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:25,620 Really, really does. 782 00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:29,660 C and C are looking mighty rusty. 783 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,540 Or rather, they aren't. 784 00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:33,000 Now I'm going to say this up front. 785 00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:35,800 Programming languages don't die. 786 00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:39,220 Just ask any COBOL programmer and they'll answer 787 00:37:39,220 --> 00:37:41,600 in the affirmative all the way to the bank. 788 00:37:42,250 --> 00:37:47,060 So while the death of C or C is not exactly nigh, There is a 789 00:37:47,060 --> 00:37:50,930 young upstart taking the systems programming world by storm. 790 00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:51,860 Rust. 791 00:37:52,340 --> 00:37:57,050 The Rust programming language is considered memory safe by default, meaning 792 00:37:57,060 --> 00:38:00,710 that it won't allow you to make common memory management mistakes like 793 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,280 invalid heap and stack access, memory leaks, and mismatched memory allocation. 794 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,350 These are the kinds of errors that make up the vast majority of CVE 795 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:17,725 security problems, and it is all too easy to do so in C or C Rust was 796 00:38:17,725 --> 00:38:21,655 designed with security in mind, while still supporting lower level 797 00:38:21,665 --> 00:38:25,755 programming, and for that reason, it is considered a suitable replacement. 798 00:38:26,315 --> 00:38:28,915 The tipping point for many was the coming inclusion 799 00:38:28,945 --> 00:38:32,235 of Rust in the Linux kernel, starting with version 6. 800 00:38:32,275 --> 00:38:32,615 1. 801 00:38:33,175 --> 00:38:33,724 Side note, 6. 802 00:38:33,725 --> 00:38:36,265 0 dropped this past week as expected. 803 00:38:36,905 --> 00:38:41,215 Now, Mark Russinovich, the CTO at Microsoft Azure, has 804 00:38:41,215 --> 00:38:45,115 said that all of his new projects will be written in Rust. 805 00:38:45,395 --> 00:38:49,025 And, as goes Russinovich, so goes Microsoft. 806 00:38:49,305 --> 00:38:53,295 In fact, Microsoft has admitted that upwards of 70 percent 807 00:38:53,315 --> 00:38:56,995 of its CVEs can be traced back to memory unsafe bugs. 808 00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:00,210 Now, that doesn't mean that anyone's going to go rewrite 809 00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:03,590 the Windows kernel in Rust tomorrow, but future development? 810 00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:08,900 We could definitely see a Rustacean creation in 2025. 811 00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:12,970 Totally unrelated note, guess who started learning Rust this week? 812 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,620 Definitely wasn't you. 813 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:15,380 You're not a learner. 814 00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:16,310 That's true. 815 00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:17,690 I know Kung Fu. 816 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,160 You're wearing a shirt that says, down with books. 817 00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:21,510 That's right. 818 00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:22,380 Videos only. 819 00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:23,930 And podcasts. 820 00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:25,940 Podcasts are better in every way. 821 00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:28,740 Live it, learn it, love it. 822 00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:33,280 Google, moving forward with Manifest V3 823 00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:36,340 mandate, much to society's general disgust. 824 00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:39,690 Advertising company Google happens to be in charge 825 00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:42,480 of the world's most popular browser, Chrome. 826 00:39:43,090 --> 00:39:47,360 Recently, advertising company Google made a dramatic change to the code base 827 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,350 of Chrome to make it harder to use ad blocking and privacy enhancing add ons. 828 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,290 This is solely and exclusively because Google is an advertising 829 00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:59,270 company first and they can't have us running around blocking 830 00:39:59,270 --> 00:40:02,590 ads or protecting our PII from bad actors now, can they? 831 00:40:03,145 --> 00:40:05,135 Not when that shit can be monetized. 832 00:40:07,065 --> 00:40:09,565 Now, a manifest is simply the underpinnings of 833 00:40:09,565 --> 00:40:12,715 how a browser works with third party extensions. 834 00:40:13,185 --> 00:40:19,315 Manifest v3 changes a lot of APIs and operating procedures to the extent 835 00:40:19,315 --> 00:40:25,065 that extensions written under manifest v2 are incompatible with v3. 836 00:40:26,010 --> 00:40:31,640 In fact, a lot of the processes that were made possible by v2, particularly 837 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,070 ones used by the aforementioned ad blocking and privacy enhancing 838 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,410 extensions, are now much more difficult to implement, some impossible. 839 00:40:40,890 --> 00:40:44,370 This is allegedly being done to enhance security. 840 00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:48,790 And I'm sure it's a total coincidence that advertising company 841 00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:52,070 Google made the biggest changes to the ad blocking functionalities. 842 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:59,960 And in January 2023, it will be mandatory in Chrome to use only version 3. 843 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,900 It's enough to make people want to switch. 844 00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:05,880 And this time, they might actually do it. 845 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,940 Many third party browser companies such as Brave, Firefox, 846 00:41:11,060 --> 00:41:14,150 and even Chromium based Vivaldi have announced that they 847 00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:17,920 will continue to support v2 extensions indefinitely. 848 00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:19,520 Oh, you sweet summer child. 849 00:41:20,005 --> 00:41:21,975 You really think people are going to switch their browsers? 850 00:41:23,395 --> 00:41:27,185 Speaking of Google, Stadia fragged by friendly fire. 851 00:41:27,695 --> 00:41:31,195 There's an absolutely fire post on TechCrunch about the 852 00:41:31,485 --> 00:41:35,495 unexpected death of Stadia that I recommend everyone go read. 853 00:41:35,905 --> 00:41:40,085 Back in the pre COVID times of 2019, when Chris and 854 00:41:40,085 --> 00:41:43,965 I had an eerily similar podcast, we were skeptical. 855 00:41:44,290 --> 00:41:47,920 If not downright dismissive and derisive towards Stadia. 856 00:41:48,350 --> 00:41:52,660 This was both on technical grounds, the required bandwidth for clients and cost 857 00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:57,560 of running at the edge was probably a non starter, and on historical grounds, i. 858 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:57,750 e. 859 00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:02,550 Google is unlikely to fight a protracted battle in a crowded space, or really 860 00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:06,170 keep any product going for any significant amount of time, Google Reader. 861 00:42:06,610 --> 00:42:07,330 Rest in peace. 862 00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:08,420 Too soon. 863 00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:13,820 Even so, the platform launched with some AAA titles and a few exclusives. 864 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,550 Google seemed to be making the right moves by creating an in house 865 00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:21,930 game studio and hiring people from the games industry, most notably 866 00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:26,040 Phil Harrison, previously at Microsoft and Sony Computer Entertainment. 867 00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:30,090 However, after the fanfare and confetti settled in 868 00:42:30,090 --> 00:42:34,270 November 2019, the sheen immediately started to fade. 869 00:42:34,750 --> 00:42:35,990 Sales were mediocre. 870 00:42:36,380 --> 00:42:40,900 Marketing was all but non existent, Stadia disappeared from Google 871 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:45,540 presentations, and the in house studio was shuttered in February of 2021. 872 00:42:46,735 --> 00:42:49,965 They are aware that typical AAA games take at 873 00:42:49,965 --> 00:42:52,555 least four years to develop and release, right? 874 00:42:53,085 --> 00:42:53,355 Right? 875 00:42:55,415 --> 00:42:58,555 Oh, the writing was on the wall, and yet Stadia limped 876 00:42:58,555 --> 00:43:02,295 along for another 20 months, loudly denying the inevitable, 877 00:43:02,365 --> 00:43:05,145 before Google finally gave up the ghost last week. 878 00:43:05,455 --> 00:43:09,365 Stadia will officially shutter in 2023, provide refunds 879 00:43:09,365 --> 00:43:11,665 for those who purchased hardware, and stop charging 880 00:43:11,665 --> 00:43:14,345 those with pro subscriptions during the wind down period. 881 00:43:15,025 --> 00:43:17,305 Alas, another service killed by Google. 882 00:43:17,305 --> 00:43:19,925 I wonder if there's a site tracking that sort of thing. 883 00:43:20,685 --> 00:43:21,035 That site 884 00:43:21,105 --> 00:43:22,575 is getting large. 885 00:43:24,495 --> 00:43:28,375 And it's growing in popularity every time another product is killed by Google. 886 00:43:29,090 --> 00:43:32,090 Which there are so, so, so many. 887 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,880 Hey, thanks for listening or something. 888 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,640 I guess you found it worthwhile if you made it all the way to the end. 889 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,640 So congratulations to you friend. 890 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:40,960 You accomplished something today. 891 00:43:41,050 --> 00:43:44,830 Now go for a hot air balloon ride and compliment a cloud. 892 00:43:45,350 --> 00:43:47,120 Make it feel super. 893 00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:47,680 You've earned it. 894 00:43:48,770 --> 00:43:52,159 You can find me or Chris on Twitter at Ned1313 or 895 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,560 Hainer80 respectively, or follow the show at Chaos 896 00:43:54,610 --> 00:43:56,950 underscore Lever if that's the kind of thing you're into. 897 00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:59,000 Show notes are available at ChaosLever. 898 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,550 com if you like reading things, which you shouldn't. 899 00:44:02,010 --> 00:44:05,410 Podcasts continue to be better in every conceivable way. 900 00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:07,270 Shirt's forthcoming for that one. 901 00:44:07,820 --> 00:44:10,420 We'll be back next week to see what fresh hell is upon us. 902 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,450 Ta ta for now.