Interior Integration for Catholics

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Dr. Peter illustrated the role of shame in St. Peter's life and decisions, highlighting his internal structure and mapping his parts. Dr. Peter explored how St. Peter switched among parts, the times he was carried away by his parts, and typical patterns in how his parts functioned.

Show Notes

  1. Intro: Welcome to the podcast Coronavirus Crisis: Carpe Diem!, where by God’s grace, you and I rise up and embrace the possibilities and opportunities for spiritual and psychological growth right now, in these days, all grounded in a Catholic worldview.   This podcast is about transformation -- a radical transformation of self, overcoming anything that gets in the way of us loving God our Father and Mary our Mother with the trust and dependence of a little child.  This podcast is all about real love in real relationships and it's messy.   I’m clinical psychologist Peter Malinoski and I am here with you, to be your host and guide.  This podcast is part of Souls and Hearts, our online outreach at, which is all about shoring up our natural foundation for the Catholic spiritual life, all about overcoming psychological obstacles to being loved and to loving God and neighbor -- This is episode 47, released on December 21, 2020
    1. and it is titled: Shame and Redemption: St. Peter and You
    1. it is the 11th episode in our series on shame.  

    1. Thank you for being here with me. 

    1. This episode stands alone
    1. Episodes 37, 38 and 39 lay out the conceptual foundations on shame
    1. Last episode we discussed how shame can lead to tragedy in the story of Judas Iscariot.  

    1. Continuing to illustrate shame and related concepts with stories
      1. Now we are going to look at an story of intense shame and redemption.  
        1. The story of the Apostle Peter
        2. Really going to look inside of Peter's mind, heart, body and soul today
        3. Really focus on understanding what happened in his life
          1. Making sense of his decisions, his choices
          1. I share his name.  I connect with him, he makes so much sense to me.  Very similar parts. 

      1. In our fallen world, in our fallen human condition, all of us have elements of what Peter struggled with.  
        1. We can learn from Peter's redemption 

  5. Profiling St. Peter
    1. Teaching you to recognize parts in other, parts in yourself  

    1. I am an IFS therapist -- really interested in parts of people
    1. Understanding parts really helps us grow in the understanding of ourselves and others
      1. Socrates:  Know thyself
      1. Jesus:  Removing the beam in your own eye
      1. Recognizing, identifying your parts and the parts of others is really helpful for loving the other person.  Why?
      1. Loving a person means accepting loving all their parts.  All of them. 
        1. It is really helpful to know a part in order understand what it needs.   
        2. Doesn't mean affirming every action
        3. Doesn't mean agreeing with every opinion
        4. Doesn't mean endorsing every desire
        5. Doesn't mean encouraging every impulse

    1. See what you resonate with
    1. What are parts?
      1. Discrete, autonomous mental systems, each with own idiosyncratic range of emotion, style of expression, abilities, desires views of the world. 
        1. Modes of operating
        2. Subpersonalities
        3. Orchestra model
        4. Focus is on integration.  

      1. Get forced into extreme roles -- attachment injuries and relational traumas
      1. Three roles
        1. Exiles -- 
          1. most sensitive -- become injured or outraged.  Threatens the system, external relationships
          2. Exploited, rejected, abandoned in external relationships
          3. Want care and love, rescue, redemption
          4. shame.  Need for redemption 

        1. Managers
          1. Protective, strategic, controlling environment, keep things safe
          1. Obsessions. Compulsions, reclusiveness, passivity, numbing. Panic attacks, somatic complaints, depressive episodes, hypervigiliance.

        1. Firefighters
          1. Stifle, anesthetize, distract from feelings of exiles
          1. No concern for consequences
          1. Binge eating, drug/alcohol use, dissociation, sexual risk taking, cutting

      1. Parts can take over the person
        1. Like in Pixar Movie Inside Out -- anger taking over the control panel of the main character Riley
        1. We call it blending.  

    1. IFS on the Self -- (recorded)
      1. Self defined as the seat of consciousness
      1. Self can be occluded or overwhelmed by parts
      1. When self accepts and loves parts, those parts transform back into who they were meant to be
      1. Self-led mind is self-righting.
      1. self -- Active inner leader -- more than mindfulness
      1. Parts find the relationship with the self very reassuring
        1. But to reap the benefits they have to unblend from and notice the self
        1. This is frightening can challenging to parts
        1. Agency in the parts -- parts are making decisions about unblending in IFS model

      1. Intrinsic qualities of the self
        1. Curiosity
        1. Compassion
        1. Calm
        1. Confidence
        1. Courage
        1. Clarity
        1. Creativity
        1. Connectedness
        1. Kindness

      1. The self can be easily occluded, obscured, hidden by protective parts who take over in response to fear, anger or shame

    1. St. Peters Parts -- or modes of operating
      1. Boldness, self confidence  Overconfidence
        1. Manager Part.  

        1. Fisherman who owned his own boat
          1. A part that wants to be big.  

          1. Have to make quick decisions
          1. Dangerous occupation

        1. Respected in Galilee, a leader
        1. Courage, Fortitude
        1. Leads to forgetting the teaching of Jesus
        1. Established, married.  

        1. Defends against a shame exile.  

      1. Spontaneity/Impulsivity 
        1. Manager leaping in
        2. Quick reactions -- this part leaps into action instantaneously
          1. Man of action
          1. Courage here too
        5. Trusted his instincts.  
        6. Capable of intense emotion
        7. Driven by that emotion
          1. Seizing opportunities as they arise 
            1. See opportunity, seize opportunity
            2. No dithering

          1. Can lead to rash actions
        9. Not pausing for reflection, discernment, prayer -- can lead to some internal disorganization
        10. Leads to forgetting the teaching of Jesus
        11. Also a big part -- wants to command.  
        12. Defends against a shame exile

      1. Caretaking of others 
        1. Manager Part
        2. A big heart.  Very affectionate, paternal
        3. Very protective of others.  

      1. Moral Part Obedience  Like my "Good Boy" Part
        1. Manager Part
        1. Strong sense of duty.  Responsibility. 

        1. Manager Part
        1. Aware of his sinfulness, his weakness.  A familiar part
        1. Peter examined his conscience
        1. Motivated to repent -- can experience grief.  

        1. Need for integration

      1. Awe and wonder 
        1. A young part -- childlike

      1. Fearful Part   
        1. Exile
        2. Depression is not his thing.  Anger not his thing.  Control and anxiety

      1. Part that reaches out for help in need
        1. When it is desperate.  Unlike Judas.  

        1. This part is small and willing to be rescued.  

      1. Transparency.  What you see is what you get.  No guile.  Opposite of Judas.  

    1. Pattern:
      1. Bold manager part -- self confidence
      1. Teams up with Spontaneous Part -- impulsive, acting on instinct
      1. Gets into trouble, pain, is corrected
      1. Repents, seeks relationship and starts over in humility.  

  8. The story of Peter
    1. Stories are so important
    1. Really enter into Peter's world, see Christ, see the world through his eyes
      1. Jesus calls Peter
        1. Matthew 14:18-20:  18 As he walked by the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon who is called Peter and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea; for they were fishermen. 19 And he said to them, “Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.” 20 Immediately they left their nets and followed him. 

        1. Mark: 1: 16-18:  "immediately"
        1. Luke 5:1-11: While the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he was standing by the lake of Gennes′aret. 2 And he saw two boats by the lake; but the fishermen had gone out of them and were washing their nets. 3 Getting into one of the boats, which was Simon’s, he asked him to put out a little from the land. And he sat down and taught the people from the boat. 4 And when he had ceased speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into the deep and let down your nets for a catch.” 5 And Simon answered, “Master, we toiled all night and took nothing! But at your word I will let down the nets.” 6 And when they had done this, they enclosed a great shoal of fish; and as their nets were breaking, 7 they beckoned to their partners in the other boat to come and help them. And they came and filled both the boats, so that they began to sink. 8 But when Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying, “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord.” 9 For he was astonished, and all that were with him, at the catch of fish which they had taken; 10 and so also were James and John, sons of Zeb′edee, who were partners with Simon. And Jesus said to Simon, “Do not be afraid; henceforth you will be catching men.” 11 And when they had brought their boats to land, they left everything and followed him.

      1. Jesus walks on the sea
        1. Matthew 14:22-33  

22 Then he made the disciples get into the boat and go before him to the other side, while he dismissed the crowds. 23 And after he had dismissed the crowds, he went up into the hills by himself to pray. When evening came, he was there alone, 24 but the boat by this time was many furlongs distant from the land,[a] beaten by the waves; for the wind was against them. 25 And in the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea. 26 But when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were terrified, saying, “It is a ghost!” And they cried out for fear. 27 But immediately he spoke to them, saying, “Take heart, it is I; have no fear.”
28 And Peter answered him, “Lord, if it is you, bid me come to you on the water.” 29 He said, “Come.” So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to Jesus; 30 but when he saw the strong wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out, “Lord, save me.” 31 Jesus immediately reached out his hand and caught him, saying to him, “O man of little faith, why did you doubt?” 32 And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased. 33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
  1. Relied on Christ, then relied on himself, then on Christ again. 
    1. Shifts
    2. Recovery
    3. Jesus allowed him to sink
    4. Jesus reached out to him
    5. Painting by Christian artist Yongsun Kim "Save Me-- The Hand of God"
  2. How many times to forgive?  Matthew 18:21-22  21 Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.
  3. Peter declares that Jesus is the Christ
    1. Mark 8:27-30  27 And Jesus went on with his disciples, to the villages of Caesare′a Philippi; and on the way he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that I am?” 28 And they told him, “John the Baptist; and others say, Eli′jah; and others one of the prophets.” 29 And he asked them, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter answered him, “You are the Christ.” 30 And he charged them to tell no one about him.
  5. Peter is rebuked by Jesus
    1. Mark 8:31-33   31 And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32 And he said this plainly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. 33 But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter, and said, “Get behind me, Satan! For you are not on the side of God, but of men.”
      1. Douay Rheims;  Who turning about and seeing his disciples, threatened Peter, saying: Go behind me, Satan, because thou savorest not the things that are of God, but that are of men.
      1. ESV & NASB: But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter and said, “Get behind me, Satan! For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”

  6. Peter at the Transfiguration
    1. Mark 9: 2-8    2 And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John, and led them up a high mountain apart by themselves; and he was transfigured before them, 3 and his garments became glistening, intensely white, as no fuller on earth could bleach them. 4 And there appeared to them Eli′jah with Moses; and they were talking to Jesus. 5 And Peter said to Jesus, “Master,[a] it is well that we are here; let us make three booths, one for you and one for Moses and one for Eli′jah.” 6 For he did not know what to say, for they were exceedingly afraid. [DRA:  They were struck with fear; NASB and ESV:  They became terrified] 7 And a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my beloved Son;[b] listen to him.” 8 And suddenly looking around they no longer saw any one with them but Jesus only.
    1. Luke 9:28-36  28 Now about eight days after these sayings he took with him Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 And as he was praying, the appearance of his countenance was altered, and his raiment became dazzling white. 30 And behold, two men talked with him, Moses and Eli′jah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure, which he was to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 Now Peter and those who were with him were heavy with sleep but kept awake, and they saw his glory and the two men who stood with him. 33 And as the men were parting from him, Peter said to Jesus, “Master, it is well that we are here; let us make three booths, one for you and one for Moses and one for Eli′jah”—not knowing what he said. 34 As he said this, a cloud came and overshadowed them; and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. 35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, my Chosen;[a] listen to him!” 36 And when the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silence and told no one in those days anything of what they had seen.
  8. Peter and the washing of feet
    1. John 13:3-9  Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going to God, 4 rose from supper, laid aside his garments, and girded himself with a towel. 5 Then he poured water into a basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel with which he was girded. 6 He came to Simon Peter; and Peter said to him, “Lord, do you wash my feet?” 7 Jesus answered him, “What I am doing you do not know now, but afterward you will understand.” 8 Peter said to him, “You shall never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part in me.” 9 Simon Peter said to him, “Lord, not my feet only but also my hands and my head!” 

  9. Peter's Denial foretold
    1. John 13: 36-38 36 Simon Peter said to him, “Lord, where are you going?” Jesus answered, “Where I am going you cannot follow me now; but you shall follow afterward.” 37 Peter said to him, “Lord, why cannot I follow you now? I will lay down my life for you.” 38 Jesus answered, “Will you lay down your life for me? Truly, truly, I say to you, the cock will not crow, till you have denied me three times. 

    1. Matthew 26:30-35  And after singing a [l]hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.  31 Then Jesus *said to them, “You will all [m]fall away because of Me this night, for it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’ 32 But after I have been raised, I will go ahead of you to Galilee.” 33 But Peter replied to Him, “Even if they all [n]fall away because of You, I will never fall away!” 34 Jesus said to him, “Truly I say to you that this very night, before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” 35 Peter *said to Him, “Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!” All the disciples said the same thing as well.
    1. Mark 14:26-31 

26 And after singing a [l]hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.  27 And Jesus *said to them, “You will all [m]fall away, because it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.’ 28 But after I am raised, I will go ahead of you to Galilee.” 29 But Peter said to Him, “Even if they all [n]fall away, yet I will not!” 30 And Jesus *said to him, “Truly I say to you, that [o]this very night, before a rooster crows twice, you yourself will deny Me three times.” 31 But [p]Peter repeatedly said insistently, “Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!” And they all were saying the same thing as well.
  1. Luke 22:31-34  31 “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you,[d] that he might sift you[e] like wheat, 32 but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.” 33 And he said to him, “Lord, I am ready to go with you to prison and to death.” 34 He said, “I tell you, Peter, the cock will not crow this day, until you three times deny that you know me.”
    1. Boldness, overconfidence.  Does not take Jesus' admonition to heart.  Doesn't accept the word of God.  Insisting he knows more about himself and his future actions than Jesus does.  
      1. Bluffing.  Bluff and bluster.  Trying to fake it till he makes it.  He didn't make it.  
      2. Humility.  Yes Lord, even if he doesn't understand.  
      3. Addictions, problems --  I can overcome by sheer force of will.  

  2. Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane
    1. Matthew 26: 51-56  

51 And behold, one of those who were with Jesus [t]reached and drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and [u]cut off his ear. 52 Then Jesus *said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve [v]legions of angels? 54 How then would the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?”
55 At that time Jesus said to the crowds, “Have you come out with swords and clubs to arrest Me as you would against a man inciting a revolt? Every day I used to sit within the temple grounds teaching, and you did not arrest Me. 56 But all this has taken place so that the Scriptures of the prophets will be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples left Him and fled.
  1. Mark 14:32-50 
32 They *came to a place named [q]Gethsemane; and He *said to His disciples, “Sit here until I have prayed.” 33 And He *took with Him Peter, [r]James, and John, and began to be very distressed and troubled. 34 And He *said to them, “My soul is deeply grieved, to the point of death; remain here and [s]keep watch.” 35 And He went a little beyond them, and fell to the ground and began praying that if it were possible, the hour might [t]pass Him by. 36 And He was saying, “Abba! [u]Father! All things are possible for You; remove this cup from Me; yet not what I will, but what You will.” 37 And He *came and *found them sleeping, and *said to Peter, “Simon, are you asleep? Could you not [v]keep watch for one hour? 38 [w]Keep watching and praying, so that you will not come into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.” 39 And again He went away and prayed, saying the same [x]words. 40 And again He came and found them sleeping, for their eyes were heavy; and they did not know what to say in reply to Him. 41 And He *came the third time, and *said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? That is enough. The hour has come; behold, the Son of Man is being [y]betrayed into the hands of sinners. 42 Get up, let’s go; behold, the one who is betraying Me is near!”
43 And immediately, while He was still speaking, Judas, one of the twelve, *came up, [z]accompanied by a crowd with swords and clubs who were from the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders. 44 Now he who was betraying Him had given them a signal, saying, “Whomever I kiss, He is the one; arrest Him and lead Him away [aa]under guard.” 45 And after coming, Judas immediately went to Him and *said, “Rabbi!” and kissed Him. 46 And they laid hands on Him and arrested Him. 47 But one of those who stood by drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and [ab]cut off his ear. 48 And Jesus said to them, “Have you come out with swords and clubs to arrest Me, as you would against a man inciting a revolt? 49 Every day I was with you within the temple grounds teaching, and you did not arrest Me; but this has taken place so that the Scriptures will be fulfilled.” 50 And [ac]His disciples all left Him and fled.
  1. John 18:10-11  10 Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s slave and cut off his right ear. The slave’s name was Malchus. 11 Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword into its sheath; shall I not drink the cup which the Father has given me?”
  2. Peter's Denial
    1. Matthew 26:69-75  69 Now Peter was sitting outside in the courtyard, and a slave woman came to him and said, “You too were with Jesus the Galilean.” 70 But he denied it before them all, saying, “I do not know what you are talking about.” 71 When he had gone out to the gateway, another slave woman saw him and *said to those who were there, “This man was with Jesus of Nazareth.” 72 And again he denied it, with an oath: “I do not know the man.” 73 A little later the bystanders came up and said to Peter, “You really are one of them as well, since even the way you talk [ae]gives you away.” 74 Then he began to curse and swear, “I do not know the man!” And immediately a rooster crowed. 75 And Peter remembered the statement that Jesus had [af]made: “Before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” And he went out and wept bitterly.
    1. Luke 22:61-62   61 And the Lord turned and looked at Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said to him, “Before the cock crows today, you will deny me three times.” 62 And he went out and wept bitterly.
      1. Crushing shame.  He went out.  He didn't stay.  He withdrew, he hid. 
        1. Think about that moment. 
          1. Enter into Peter's world -- get to know your parts
          2. Was he possibly suicidal? 
        2. Consequence of being big
        3. Shame can get in the way of repentance -- the shame boat.  No room for guilt.  

      1. John was able to stay small enough to be near Christ.  

    1. John 18:15-18 15 Simon Peter followed Jesus, and so did another disciple. As this disciple was known to the high priest, he entered the court of the high priest along with Jesus, 16 while Peter stood outside at the door. So the other disciple, who was known to the high priest, went out and spoke to the maid who kept the door, and brought Peter in. 17 The maid who kept the door said to Peter, “Are not you also one of this man’s disciples?” He said, “I am not.” 18 Now the servants[b] and officers had made a charcoal fire, because it was cold, and they were standing and warming themselves; Peter also was with them, standing and warming himself.
    1. John 18:25-27  25 Now Simon Peter was standing and warming himself. They said to him, “Are not you also one of his disciples?” He denied it and said, “I am not.” 26 One of the servants[c] of the high priest, a kinsman of the man whose ear Peter had cut off, asked, “Did I not see you in the garden with him?” 27 Peter again denied it; and at once the cock crowed.  
      1. Did he pray?  

  5. Peter not at the crucifixion
P.  207 Seeing in vision how Peter denied his Master three times, Mary wept and prayed fervently for him, and her prayers earned him the grace of an almost immediate repentant.  Suddenly the door of the hall opened, and Peter rushed out, weeping bitterly.  In the glare of the torches, he recognized John and Mary.  His conscience was already deeply stirred by the penetrating look which Jesus a given him and now he trembled as the Blessed Virgin said to him: “Oh Simon, what about my Son?  What about Jesus?”
Being unable to speak or to endure Mary’s questioning eyes, Peter miserably turned away.  But Mary approached him and said in a voice choked with emotion: “Simon, are you not going to answer me?”  Then Peter exclaimed: “Mother, do not speak to me!  Your Son is suffering cruelly.  They have condemned him to death – and I have shamefully denied Him three times!”
As John came near to speak to him, Peter ran off and made his way to the cave on Mount Olivet.  Because of his perfect contrition, Mary obtained that God should soon forgive him, and she sent one of her angels to console him invisibly.
P.  220 John met Peter coming to the Cenacle after having spent the night weeping and repenting in a cave near the Holy City.  They found some of the Apostles and went to the Cenacle.  Peter alone went in to see Mary first.  Falling at her feet, he said the sobs of intense sorrow: “I have sinned, Lady.  I have sinned before my God, and I have offended my Master and you!”  The Blessed Virgin knelt beside him and said: “Let us ask pardon for your guilt from my And Your Master.”  Then she prayed for Peter and reminded him of the Lord’s many acts of mercy toward great sinners and of his own obligations as head of the apostles to give an example of strength in the Faith.
  1.  Peter and the Resurrection
    1. John 20:3-10  Now on the first day of the week Mary Mag′dalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. 2 So she ran, and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.” 3 Peter then came out with the other disciple, and they went toward the tomb. 4 They both ran, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first; 5 and stooping to look in, he saw the linen cloths lying there, but he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; he saw the linen cloths lying, 7 and the napkin, which had been on his head, not lying with the linen cloths but rolled up in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who reached the tomb first, also went in, and he saw and believed; 9 for as yet they did not know the scripture, that he must rise from the dead. 10 Then the disciples went back to their homes.
    1. Luke 24:33-34   And they rose that same hour and returned to Jerusalem; and they found the eleven gathered together and those who were with them,34 who said, “The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!” 35 Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread.
  4. Healing
    1. John 21:1-19 

After this Jesus revealed himself again to the disciples by the Sea of Tibe′ri-as; and he revealed himself in this way. 2 Simon Peter, Thomas called the Twin, Nathan′a-el of Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zeb′edee, and two others of his disciples were together. 3 Simon Peter said to them, “I am going fishing.” They said to him, “We will go with you.” They went out and got into the boat; but that night they caught nothing.
4 Just as day was breaking, Jesus stood on the beach; yet the disciples did not know that it was Jesus. 5 Jesus said to them, “Children, have you any fish?” They answered him, “No.” 6 He said to them, “Cast the net on the right side of the boat, and you will find some.” So they cast it, and now they were not able to haul it in, for the quantity of fish. 7 That disciple whom Jesus loved[b] said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put on his clothes, for he was stripped for work, and sprang into the sea. 8 But the other disciples came in the boat, dragging the net full of fish, for they were not far from the land, but about a hundred yards[c] off.
9 When they got out on land, they saw a charcoal fire there, with fish lying on it, and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish that you have just caught.” 11 So Simon Peter went aboard and hauled the net ashore, full of large fish, a hundred and fifty-three of them; and although there were so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” Now none of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and so with the fish. 14 This was now the third time that Jesus was revealed to the disciples after he was raised from the dead.
Jesus and Peter
15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” 16 A second time he said to him, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” 17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me?” And he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep.[d] 18 Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were young, you girded yourself and walked where you would; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish to go.” 19 (This he said to show by what death he was to glorify God.) And after this he said to him, “Follow me.”
  1. Exercise:  Consider which part of the story resonated with you the most.  What did you connect with?  Probably some resonance with a part of you and a part of St. Peter.  How do you feel toward that part of you?  What gets in the way of you loving that part of you?  If you reject that part of you in you, you will reject similar parts in other people.  That will get in the way of you loving them.  
  2. Wrap up
    1. Next week St. Dismas -- the thief on the cross next to Jesus, I will discuss his story in a bonus podcast just for RCC members.  -  Shame and the cross.  

    1. Will do a bonus podcast on how I relate with St. Peter's parts.  How I see them in me.  

    1. We have the resilient Catholic community.  That community is about transformation, about preparing the way for love in our souls. Its about being together as Catholics on a journey, on a mission to really enter into an intimate personal relationship with Jesus Christ our brother, the Holy Spirit who is Love Himself and with our spiritual parents, God the Father and Mary our Mother.  It's about sharing our experiences in that journey on that mission.  

    1. Get on the waiting list so you will get information before the general public does.  I will be reaching out to those on the waiting list soon.  

    1. Can start by sharing these podcast -- spotify, apple podcasts, google play, amazon.  Share it on social media -- buttons are on our website at  -- get your word out there, with your personal recommendation -- how these episodes have helped you.  Share them, let others know 

    1. You can reach out to me at 317.567.9594 or at 

    1. Last Wednesday, second Wed.  December 29, 2020 at 7:30 -8:30 PM EST -- social hour.  Hanging out, celebrating Christmas, touching base
    1.  Patronness and Patron. Include St. Peter

What is Interior Integration for Catholics?

In the Resilient Catholics podcast, together, we seek fundamental transformation in our lives through human formation. We look for God's providence in all that happens to us, in accord with Romans 8:28, grounded in an authentic Catholic worldview. Join us as we sail through uncharted waters, seizing the opportunities for psychological and spiritual growth and increasing resilience in the natural and spiritual realms. With a clear takeaway message and one action in each weekly episode, you can move from dreading what is happening to you to rising above it. Join us on Mondays for new episodes. You can also join our online community around this podcast at