Don with EMU
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Jared: [00:00:00] Hello, welcome to Vitality Radio. I'm your host each and every week. My name is Jared St. Clair, and it's good to be with you again on another episode of Vitality Radio. You know, sometimes as I'm trying to determine what I should be talking about on the next show or next set of shows, I think through things that in the 15 years I've done this show that I haven't given much attention to that may.

Deserve some attention, and this show is one of those shows. I'm actually really excited to bring it to you because this is a topic that I've. Very briefly touched on for a minute or two here and there because I personally use the product and I absolutely love it, uh, for a variety of different things, but I don't know that much about it.

Uh, 

the, the, uh, technical aspects of why it works and, and what it does. In fact, I think the things I. 

Think I know might not even be accurate. So I got an expert and we're gonna have him talk to us [00:01:00] about something called emo oil. If you've 

heard of it. Uh, but never used it. 

This should be a pretty fascinating conversation and I anticipate if you've heard of 

it and used it, you already know it's pretty amazing stuff and maybe you can learn even more uses for it.

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You can open up a chat there and ask questions if you'd like, or you can call us and ask questions even if you're not local to The store. 8 0 1 2 9 2 66 62. Let's talk about e emo oil. I've got Don Collins on with me. Don. Welcome to Vitality Radio.

Very happy to have you, uh, like I told you before, and like I just told the [00:02:00] audience, this is a topic I've probably ignored for far too long. So, uh, let, I'm curious how the heck you got into this thing, uh, raising emus and, uh, promoting emu oil. 

Don: on her property, so we looked at them very intrigue. I mean, just something different that we'd never seen and started doing more research on it. And because both of us are interested in natural products and health and nutrition, The more we researched, the more intriguing it, got, 

and so then we, uh, decided to go ahead and invest and bought a couple pair at that time.

Those pair. 

We paid $14,000 for them. 

Jared: Oh wow. 

Don: my sister had paid $21,000 

for her the year before, so we thought we got a pretty 

good deal. Yeah, it was kind of a pyramid screen scheme at the beginning, you know, people selling, you know, breeding stock. But then I was reminded that actually 

turkeys back in the twenties at [00:03:00] the introduction of their breeding stock, 

sold for $2,000 apiece.

So, I mean, it's, you know, it's 

understandable. But anyway, this thing, uh, the 

the EMU were so prolific that, uh, it didn't 

take long for that, 

uh, breeder market to disappear. And then it came 

more down into a more realistic, you know, agricultural market.

Jared: Someone who's been doing emus for as long as you have raising emus 

Let's, uh, for people who are completely unaware, what is an emu What are the what, uh, describe it 

for us. 

Don: Well, they're a member of the Ratti family, which includes the ostrich ria, uh, the, uh, kiwi and castle along with emu. So there's five different, uh, varieties in that group. And they're a group of flightless birds, mainly. I mean, the, the RIAs isn't located South America, of course, the ostrich in Africa. The others were in the, you know, new Guinea, 

Australia, you know, just that area, New Zealand. So [00:04:00] it was, uh, pretty isolated to that. 

And they, the, the EMIA that 

came into the United States were sold in, in the 

thirties and forties and were sold as zoo stock. It came directly from Australia. And at that time in Australia, they were trying to get rid of the emus. They were considered a pest, you know, trying to get their cattle businesses going.

You know, as the English had settled in there, they started cattle, they looked at EMU more as a competitor for food and space, and they were really trying to get rid of them. Uh, fortunately, Australia. Figured out the, you know, that there is an economic value to them and decided, you know, protect them and, you know, keep them, 

you know, thriving in the wild. So that, that those experts had cut off 

after the forties and the killing of the birds actually had, had cut off then, then Australia eventually got [00:05:00] into farm, 

raising 

them, you know, for the, you know, for the value 

of the, you know, the oil. As well as a meat source. 

Jared: Okay. And I think a lot of people have probably heard of 

like ostrich burgers and things like that. That's 

actually. Certainly more common now than it ever was before, but, uh, emus are used in the same way. 

Don: Well, yeah, EMEA is a little bit different texture of meat. It's still, if they're red meat, It looks almost like venison or elk. It's very red, lean high in iron content, but it's, uh, you know, it's almost totally fat free. It's 98, 90 7% fat free.

Jared: Hmm. 

Don: So of poultry, and I'm talking, you know, chickens, turkeys, anything.

They're, they 

don't have marbled meat as pork, beef, you know, lamb.

Jared: Mm-hmm. 

Don: You know, they all have saturated 

fats and marbled meat, so you're getting all 

the fat 

is external of the meat and it's been separated 

[00:06:00] off and redner down into the 

oil, but it leads to meat, you know, almost fat free.

Jared: Interesting. Okay, so you got into this, you decided that raising emus, emus might be something you wanted to do. Um, you buy a couple of pair, you pay a lot of money for 'em, and then what happens? 

Don: Well, you start, uh, you go buy a good pitchfork, but uh, you know, I mean it's just, you know, an animal husband tree with it and, you know, raising the birds. Now the birds will lay eggs. Actually, they lay eggs during the winter months, 

which is pretty convenient because then they are hatched out in 

spring. And they grow, you know, the, the young grow all 

summer long before they go into the next winter, but they've got good size to 'em and are able to uh, you know, take care of themselves. There's some species out there that will, you 

know, if it were, it sounds more logical to [00:07:00] do it 

if they were laying during the summer, 

but then they'd be too small going in the winter, and then 

you're heating barns and your expenses go way up.

Jared: Interesting. Now you're saying that they're primarily then native to Australia and did you say New Zealand as well? 

Don: Uh, No, actually the, the Kiwi 

Jared: cousins are over in New

Zealand. Okay. so I think that's 

kind of an interesting thing because the name of your company 

is Montana Emu Ranch doesn't seem that Similar to Australia to me, although I've never been down under, uh, but these birds are pretty hardy if they can handle Montana weather.

Don: They are extremely hardy and they're very adaptable. Now we work, we do work with, 

uh, Montana State University. They do a lot of the, you know, 

dinosaur studies down 

there. But, uh, they've determined, you 

know, through, you know, fossils and 

that, that the EU is, you know, it dates back 80 million years and is 

virtually [00:08:00] unchanged.

So, in order to do that, they've gotta be very 

adaptable to any situation that comes along. Now, up here, of 

course, we can get, uh, you know, our temperatures get down as low as, as 20 below, 

and we have shelters for them. We put fresh banding out when, you know, especially in cold weather. And, uh, also throw some straw on the ground so they're 

not freezing to the ice or something. But they'll go in and, uh, you know, stay inside 

for a little bit. Pretty soon they climatize.

We'll see 'em out walking the fence line. It's at 20 below. They just adapt to it.

Jared: That's wild. So, uh, at any given time, how many emu 

are you raising? 

Don: the most we'd have on the 

ranch that, you know, since we've been going is somewhere 

around 

7 50, 800, somewhere in there. 

Jared: Wow, that's quite an operation. 

Okay. 

Don: I don't know how to shut that off. [00:09:00] 

That's my email coming in. 

Jared: Oh, gotcha. 

Don: I don't know what is there. You don't have anything that 

Jared: I, I can't hear anything 

on my 

Don: click. 

Jared: Oh, now I can. 

Don: yeah, 

it, it just dinged when the new message 

Jared: Oh, gotcha.

Don: But, uh, yeah. Where were we? 

Jared: Uh, so you've got 

at, at the highest, you're saying about 750. 

Don: and that would include the last year's hatch would be 

which would be coming up, you know, they'd be a year 

old or, or more. Uh, we've got, uh, somewhere 

mid thirties of breeding stock 

that's

always on the place. 

Jared: Mm-hmm. 

Don: And then the hatch

of the you know, the new 

hatch. So we, we try

to produce

about 300 to 350 chicks a year.

Jared: Okay. And so then of course, at least in my view, I, and, and correct me if I'm wrong, it seems that the primary, [00:10:00] Uh, Use, I guess, or awareness maybe is even a better word of an EBU, would be the emu oil. Uh, and you say the emu, the fat is not in the meat. So where, how does that work? 

Don: Well, they develop a fat pan on their back that's approximately two inches thick. So this is, it's like a big slab of fat runs, width of the bird and length of the bird, so it's about four feet long, maybe three feet wide, two inches thick. A good bird will yield

on average, uh, 2224 pounds of fat.

And that then is s rendered down into the oil.

Takes 10 pounds of fat to make a eight pound gallon of oil. 

And so they yield real high. So we'll get two, 

two and a half gallons of oil per bird when we process.

Jared: Interesting. Okay. Yeah, I, I had no idea. I, I knew that. Parts of that, but I had no idea the yield was that high. 

That's CRA 

Don: It's almost a [00:11:00] third of a, of the bird is fat. 

Another third is meat. The other third 

is bone and you know, the organ meats and all that.

Jared: Okay. But, and, and I want to get into Emmi Oil in particular and talk about the the healing benefits and all that. kind of stuff. But, um, one of the things that I, found interesting when I very first found out about your company, cuz I'd known about Emmi Oil before and I was carrying it up, vitality, nutrition for. I don't know, maybe a couple of years at that point. This is I don't even know how many years ago, but it's been a while. And, uh, I found out about your products through, uh, a local broker here that works for you, for you folks, Uh, the Carters. and they said, you know, what we love about their operation is they're not just harvesting oil from the birds, they're using the whole bird.

Uh, talk to us about that a little bit. 

Don: Well, you know, uh, uh, the bones, organ meats, that kind of thing that we [00:12:00] can't, you know, sell, we ship out to. There's a, uh, Raw food feeders out in, uh, the Olympia area in Washington that purchase, all that, and then they distribute it up and down The coast. 

Jared: Okay. 

Don: So that's boxed up according to, you know, knuckle bones.

We also sell them, you know, any of the excess meat that.

we've processed. 

We're kind of on the 

meat side. We're kind of in a catch 22 situation in that we don't. Produce enough to attract a broker for it, and yet we produce 

too much for us to distribute ourselves. 

Jared: Hmm.

Don: So that's where that excess would come in.

Jared: Okay. and then beyond that what's left essentially is the oil, uh, which is primarily what Montana Emu Ranch is known for, I 

guess. 

Don: Yeah, that's the oil and the benefit of that oil. 

I mean, it's all based around balance. [00:13:00] There's another, you know, 

a 

quote from one of our 

local radio personalities. George Ostrom, you've been around forever, but he came up with, uh, there is nothing 

you cannot do. 

How did that go? 

There is nothing you cannot do. 

with a 

bomb of an email. 

Jared: Okay. 

Don: meaning 

immune oil, 

it, it, uh, you know, balances the body. 

So if you talk to somebody, you know, whether it's wound control, any type of stress situation that the body 

goes out of balance, immune oil gives the, gives the body a tool to go into balance and that really is why it speeds up the healing process on wounds.

Also brings down inflammation. Now if you take that, that oil, you sort of combining it with other, you know, like Anika or you know, just [00:14:00] other herbs and nutrients because Evian 

oil is actually, it's a transdermal carrier. Now, there are carrier oils out there, ho Ho's 

one, but there are really no transdermal 

carriers in the natural world.

Closest thing would be D M S O. 

They didn't lock it 

onto nutrients and carried into the body.

So you get added benefit from anything you combined with Enola.

Jared: Well, and that's the first time I ever heard about, or the first thing I ever heard about Emu oil that made me intrigued enough to bring it into my store is that transdermal, uh, benefit of being able to actually pull things down, uh, you know, through the layers. Of skin to where the skin actually is being formed and, and, and healed and that sort of thing.

And I thought that was really, really fascinating. Um, what do we know about the actual components of emu oil that give it, that, give it those properties? 

Don: Well, oil is a short chain fat. So if you look at the scale of [00:15:00] fats, and they would go from, I mean, zero would be gashes up to 30, which would be 

paraffin wax. Uh, most animal fats 

such as beef or even ostrich for that matter, tall load type 

products, they run in that at 

about 24 on that range Of fats. Now, if you were to analyze the oils naturally 

in your body, they would be considered a short, short chain fat And, would come in about 17 on that. scale. That's where immuno 

oil falls. so it's a perfect

match and blend and blends with our own oils. And that's what carries it in. 

Jared: Ah, okay. So it's, it's somewhat bioidentical, I 

guess then to the, to the human oil, skin oils. Interesting. Okay. And and, and in terms of the other components of the oil, what does it contain? We always hear about omega fats and things like that. What's in emu 

oil? 

Don: Well, it is got, uh, it's composed of five different. 

Uh, [00:16:00] omega 

oils. So it's got the 360 9, uh, which are very common, but it also has five 

and seven, you know, five being wound healing, seven being, uh, good for, you know, supporting,

uh,

soft tissues. So internally 

Jared: Okay. 

Don: now the omega three and six, you know that, that blend of three, six, and 

nine.

Or, you know, work for the, you know, anti-inflammatory 

and, uh, you know, brings a balance to the skin.

Jared: Okay. And so when you originally, I'm really curious, when you originally decided to get into this, it, it was with the intention of harvesting the oil. Was that the primary, um, you wanted to get into the business of selling emu oil? Is that kind of the motivation In the early days? 

Don: a hundred percent, 

Jared: Okay. 

And what, what did you you didn't know 

much about it, you'd never even seen an EMU until you saw your sisters, I 

think you said.

Um, so [00:17:00] back then, 1992, how much did we even know about emu oil? Was there, was there some good research 

on it at

Don: Well, there, yeah, there was beginning research and, you know, uh, 

in the American Association there were a number, 

number of physicians that were real intrigued by it, 

and they 

were, you know, very supportive of it. 

Uh, one of the things that was done was, uh, there was 

a, oh, what the heck is his name? Peter, uh, forgot the last name.

Peter Clark, 

and he was called the Emu 

Man. And he went in, at this time they were looking at EMU as a possible, 

uh, you know, for its nutritional value as a possible source of meat for third world countries. So he had flown, you know, a group into, uh, Australia and they went into the outback traveling with the Aborigines and they had, uh, they killed Anemian, they're gonna have it for dinner that 

night. [00:18:00] And he looked over and here's this old 

Aborigines sitting on a log, 

and he is got his hands and the fat of that bird, and he's pulling it out and he's rubbing it 

on his knees. And he said, well, why are you 

doing that He says, because it makes the 

pain go away 

and light bulbs went off. And

that was the beginning of the, of EV oil.

Jared: Yeah. Very interesting. Okay. And so it, I think that's interesting too, and I don't want to, I don't want to skip past it too quickly. You're talking about pure, fresh emu fat basically that he was using, um, prior, you know, prior to the rendering process and all that. And certainly with no added things, he's not putting.

C b d or menthol or any of that kind of stuff in there. Uh, so the c the e emu oil, beyond the fact that it's able to penetrate deeply into the skin, um, on its own, has this natural, powerful anti-inflammatory and pain relieving benefit 

then 

Don: Yeah, it's the, you know, that [00:19:00] combination of Vega 

Jared: yeah. 

That's, 

Don: that, that 360 9, there's also other things. There are what they call the X 

factor. This is, do you remember Dr. Barry 

Sears? Yeah, well, he'd, he'd, uh, he used to call, uh, 

EMU Emmi Oil, a pharmaceutical 

spelled f a r m, pharmaceutical, because it can be growing rather than made in a lab.

But, uh, you know, recognizing the anti-inflammatory 

benefits in the, you know, I mean, it's the healing

benefits and it's balance. It all has to do with balance. 

Jared: Yeah, that's really, really interesting. Okay. so then we, we've, we've talked about the transdermal benefit, we've talked about the anti-inflammatory benefit, but one of the things that I know a lot of people use it for, and that I've certainly used it for is also the moisturizing benefit. It seems to, be very, I I don't know if the right word is hydrating to the skin, but certainly moisturizing. um, it, I, I assume again, we're going back to the 

Omega fats [00:20:00] that. are in there, but also the omega five would be, uh, one of the primary things, there, or no?

Don: Omega five has more to deal with with, uh, wound healing. But what you're 

trying to do, I'm trying to do with, uh, you know, it's an 

anti-aging product. You're trying to hydrate the 

skin 

Jared: Yeah. 

Don: and that's the goal, is 

get water in the skin. It's just like, you know, buying a lotion, if it has some water in it, that's not a problem. Now getting the water into the 

skin can be more difficult. So, I mean, just with these creams and 

lotion

you put it 

on. I mean, you can look at yourself in the mirror in the morning.

Put that on it, and you look younger, it softens the lines, it hydrates 

the 

skin and it stays for a long time because 

it's still not just working on the surface, it's

going into all layers of the skin. 

Jared: Well, and that's been one of the things that I think is,

um, frustrating maybe to a lot of consumers out there using products for [00:21:00] moisturizing is that they feel like they're using them all the time. You know, I'm here in Utah, so we're in the desert and it's very dry, very little humidity down here. Uh, and people complain constantly about dry hands and knuckles and. and people that wear flip flops around during the summertime get dry heels and all this kind of stuff. And, um, you can use all the lotions you want, but they're more temporarily beneficial because primarily most of that stuff is staying on the surface of the skin, And so with the emu, you're able to pull those other moisturizing.

factors that would be, blended in with it down deeper and, and have more of a permanent type benefit.

Is that. 

Don: That's 

Jared: A pretty good 

description. 

Don: Oh yeah. And we're, we're in pretty, you know, pretty dry, climate up

here too. and 

Uh, 

you know, what you're describing would be the perfect product for that would be our 

worker's hand cream and that worker's hand [00:22:00] cream. You know, along with all the nutrients and EO oil, it's got a little bit of landline in it too, so it's more protective.

It tends to seal and and protect from moisture loss. Dry skin really has more to do, you know, with the evaporation, people working around, you know, water a lot. You know, I mean, nurses, housekeepers,

I mean people, if you got your hands wet a lot, you tend to get real dried

out it

just evaporates off. This puts kind of a protective 

barrier on it and slows that evaporation process.

Jared: Hmm. Yeah, that's really, 

so then the landline though, laly coming from lamb's wool, Uh, would stay more on the surface of the skin as a protectant, is that how that 

works? 

Don: Yep. 

Jared: And then the the, emu and the other things are, are being pulled in deeper. So what other moisturizing factors 

do you typically use in your creams? Uh, that would, that would, uh, harness that transdermal benefit?

Don: Well, our, you know, emulsifiers, so, [00:23:00] you know, beeswax, shea butter, you know, those are, they're both really good and real, you know, a lot of health benefit to them. Uh, and that's one of the things where, you know, some of the companies, not so much now as they used to, But where they're using a lot of the, uh, you know, the parabens and, you know, uh, petroleum based products, Vaseline, you know, these type of things as the base of 

their products.

That's something they're nothing in our products that isn't nutritional. It's in there for a reason that might smell good, but there's 

also health benefit to it. So in using essential 

oils and, and, uh, you know, different. Uh, ingredients. 

Jared: Yeah. and, that's one thing that I really respect about your formula is I've never looked at the back of one of your formulas and said, oh, I don't want that in my body, you know, or on my body. So I, and again, one of the reasons I, I invited you on, Uh, to talk about it. so then the, the primary benefits that [00:24:00] I'm aware of and I'd love for you to enlighten me if there's more, would be, uh, moisturizing, uh, pain relief and anti-inflammatory type benefits.

And, um, And then of course, being able to bring certain things deeper. into the skin for the healing purposes. That's primarily what we're using em immune oil for. Are there other things that people use it for or specific conditions that it seems to work for better or different than other 

things? 

Don: Well, you know, of course I have to be a little careful because we are licensed as a cosmetic

company and email oil. Uh, as far as the FDA is concerned, is

the cosmetic, it's moisturizer. They don't recognize it, and nobody's gone in to try to make it a pharmaceutical, so you cannot make, you know, medical claims on it.

However, it works really good on dry flaking skin, cracking skin, you know, it's an anti-aging ingredient. Uh, You know, we kind [00:25:00] of play off of the fish oil business also. So for internal use, we're looking at, uh, you know, cholesterol, uh, the, uh, also even, you know, respondent skin

problems start on the inside

and a lot of it. has to

do with, you know, could be liver toxicity.

Malfunction, but it, the EM, immune oil will support 

liver function, which draws all the toxins outta your body. if you have a compromised liver, oftentimes the toxins can't get out. They, 

and then they erupt through the skin and they, you have 

the symptoms of psoriasis, xvi, so on and so forth. 

Jared: So how does EMU help to support liver 

function? 

Don: Well, just through the omegas. 

You know, the, you know, 3, 

6, 9, 9, 9 is a, uh, you know, it's not considered an essential fatty

acid, but in someone with [00:26:00] a compromised liver, they lose the ability to process it. 

And so the immune oil is, is quite 

high in omega nine, and it works to supplement that.

Jared: And so because the liver is required and involved in all processing of fats in the body, 

basically of any origin than, uh, than having those healthy, uh, fats that are, that are necessary, uh, would support that. That makes a lot of sense. But I'd never thought

of that before. 

That's, that's really cool. So the thing that I have noticed that I, I think is 

really interesting, Is that most times I I, don't 

even know Don, maybe 75% of the time or more when I mention Emmi Oil 

to somebody, they say, what's that like?

It just, people just haven't got the message. To a large degree. You're smiling, you've run into 

the 

Don: Well, I've been working 

at it for 30 years and there's still people that don't know about it.

Jared: Yeah. and, and and it's a shame, right, cuz it's is 

amazing medicinal thing that's, I I guess it's a [00:27:00] cosmetic thing, but it has all these properties that 

are So uh, so unique. That's the thing because you wanna talk about oils and 

carriers and things. You know, 

we sell essential oils at vitality and 

people use

coconut oil and they use hobo oil and they use grape seed oil and almond oil and. You know, name the oil, right? There's so many different 

options that people use, 

uh, 

not just as carriers, uh, but as, you know, massage oils 

and, and the, and, bases for things that they use for, to, to rub on achy knees and joints and 

things like that. But Emmi oil is still 

just kind of on the outside looking in, it seems in terms of 

popularity, um, which I, I anticipate is a 

little frustrating for someone who does this for a living. Um, 

how, why do you think it hasn't really like, Caught on in a big way cuz it is amazing stuff. I've used it for probably at least 20 years.

I love this stuff, but it, most of the people I talk to have never heard of it still.

Don: Well, it's what I got to a little [00:28:00] earlier. It's, uh, you know, you're limited on what you can say. You know, as far as FDA regulations, and I, I really stretched it in a lot of the stuff I said, but we, things we can talk about legally are, you know, the anti-aging properties. So, you know, along with that hydration that we talked about, it's also adding elasticity, 

which, you 

know, reduces the signs of aging.

Jared: All right. And. 

Don: you, you, take those effects and you carry 'em, you know, throughout. 

So you're adding elasticity, you're hydrating, whether

it's on the inside or the outside. It's still very beneficial.

Jared: So do people take immune oil as an internal 

product 

Don: Oh, yes, yes. We have a, uh, 

we call Omega complex, which is EBI oil in a capsule. 

Jared: and is it just pure immune oil? Nothing else in there.

Don: Nothing else in 

Jared: Interesting. Okay. See, I, I didn't 

even, I wasn't even, aware of that, [00:29:00] so I'm gonna have to look into that one 

too. Okay. So I'm learning a lot here. This is really fascinating to me and I'm, I'm such a geek when it comes to this kind of stuff. So I wanna, I wanna keep 

picking your brain here.

So, 

one thing that I 

think, 

I guess there's probably two parts to this question that I think are, um, might 

be hindering EMU a little bit in terms of popularity. The 

first thing has to be just kind of a misunderstanding of what it even 

is. You know, where does it come from, what is it, that kind of thing.

And then I think people are a little bit 

hesitant still to 

put animal fat on their body 

as opposed to some sort of 

plant fat, like coconut oil. Um, there are people now waking up to the fat that some of these fats, like Tao, for instance, can have some real benefit 

as a topically applied, uh, product. In fact, the, the, uh, person that, uh, set us up with this interview, my assistant, 

Jessica, uh, she told me when I first met her, it was really funny.

One of the things she said is, I, you know, I put towel on my face every night. [00:30:00] And, uh, I, I said, really? Because frankly, if you met Jessica, she doesn't seem like the person that would rub beef fat on her face. 

I'll just, I'll just say it. Um,

Don: not tell it. 

Jared: Yeah, exactly. Certainly not gonna tell 

people about it. And I laughed cuz it was just caught me off guard and, and not that I thought 

it was weird really, cuz I don't think it is.

I 

think Tao has all these amazing benefits but, I just didn't expect it. But what's happening is now we have a lot more people talking about everything from like carnivore diets to, you know, organ 

meat as being a health promoting thing. It's sort of come back in vogue as there's this greater push towards, you know, veganism and eating crickets for protein and all the other stuff that's 

going on out there. And we're starting to recognize, I think some of us anyway are starting to recognize that, oh, well, maybe God had a plan and set all these 

things here for our use, and 

this could be a beneficial thing. But I do think, tell me what you think. I don't, I don't know 

how it is from, from your chair for sure. Are a lot [00:31:00] of people avoiding it simply because of where it comes from?

Don: Well, they don't know. And, uh, we've got a real interesting testimony on our, it's on our social media page Right. now, but That's from a woman who's a animal activist 

and was very, very much against use of any animal-based products 

Jared: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

Don: until she had, it was a, what was it? A burn, wasn't it? Sunburn? Yeah. bad sunburn.

Somebody put it on and just healed up. And then her, it was her what, her brother or something that got actually burned his face and they used it on him and everybody's just amazed how fast he healed. She came back and says, you know, she is still an animal activist, but there are some real human benefits to this product 

and. they need to be utilized.

So she's very supportive now of 

the emu, [00:32:00] 

Jared: That's really interesting. 

Don: Yeah. Turned her around when she saw it 

work. 

Jared: yeah. 

okay. 

so then

I think this is really, really, um, 

an interesting topic when I. Decided I wanted to bring you on and talk about this before I had, uh, Janine call you and, and ask you to come on and all this stuff 

because I'm, I'll be the first one.

I've said it on my show before. I don't believe that veganism is 

the, the best approach to health. 

I think that there, it, that there's balance in all this stuff. I 

don't 

necessarily believe that carnivore is all, is, is the best approach to health. 

Either there's these, you know, different types of extremes. And I do think that a lot of people that are on 

the vegan side of things, or the 

animal activist side of things are because it's more of an activist stance than it is a health stance, right? Yeah. It's, it they feel like we shouldn't 

be, 

you know, abusing animals or however they would, you know, 

want to put it. And so it's gonna be a little 

bit of a controversial thing. Uh, anybody that's in the ranching business, 

whether it's an [00:33:00] emu or a cow, uh, is, is going to get a little bit of 

flack on that kind of thing from certain groups. But I believe really that the EMU is such a unique thing and 

the emu oil is such a unique thing that it just needs to get out there in the, in the public discourse a little 

bit because you know, okay, so you have 

a sunburn. 

You know, put Alovera on it. Maybe it doesn't heal as quick as emu, but we're

not, you know, we're not getting it from a bird or 

whatever. You've, you've got, uh, 

pain in your knee. You can put some CBD B or some 

menthol or Icy hot or you know, something 

on that or whatever. But there are some things that emu oil, 

uh, Well, a, I'm gonna, I'm gonna state that I believe emo 

oil added to just about any of those things is 

gonna make it more

effective. 

But there are some pretty significant issues that people deal with that EO oil may be the answer and and maybe there isn't 

another answer when it comes to that deep hydrating capacity and penetrating a transdermal capacity. Would 

you, am I stating that 

[00:34:00] correctly in 

your 

Don: No, I agree with that. We, we, and we sell an awful lot of, of, you know, the a hundred percent pure oil

Jared: Yeah.

Don: and, uh, you know, and people use it for everything. I mean, we, we call it a me medicine chest in a bottle because you can use it on wounds, you can use it as a moisturizer. You can. Feed it to your dog. I mean, if you've got dog that has skin problems, no, they're better for 'em than putting a little e oil on their 

food. But, uh, yeah, and get him a good diet too. But, uh, no, that definitely helps. And, and, and they respond rapidly to it. Uh, people do too. You know, I mean, we've dealt with anything from, you know, bed sores to, uh, other, you know, chronic wounds that are just. Healed up. I gotta tell you a little story. 

Jared: Okay. 

Don: And this was, we worked with a nurse here and, uh, she happened to be working in the I C U.

She's helped us with some formulas on different things. [00:35:00] But anyway, she calls me one day, says, Don, get up here to the I C U. 

So I jumped in my car, not. Having any idea what I was in for, but I drove up there and she let me into the icu and she had a very, very elderly woman there who was God I I. Well, she was dying, is what it was.

She's very old and 

she was dying and she had developed sores the size of 

silver dollars. They were already ulcerations 

all over her abdomen and legs, arms. And, you know, and the, the woman is basically, you know, she can't communicate. She's, she's pretty much out of it. But this nurse asked the family if she could try to treat these wounds and, and make her more comfortable, you know, and they said, yeah, sure do it.

She started putting immuno oil on 'em And these open ulcerated wounds skinned over within just a 

few days. So

then they were pink healed over 

Jared: Wow. [00:36:00] 

Don: on a dying body. 

That's saying a lot. 

Jared: that's, and that's really what I was alluding to, 

is that there's a 

unique power there that really isn't found in other 

oils. And for us not to harness 

that power, uh, it seems silly

Don: Well, it goes back to balance. You know, if you ask a wound care specialist, a doctor, a nurse, nurses, probably no more than doctors, veterinarians work with it all the time, you know, with these chronic wounds, and they will tell you, 

you can treat it and treat it and treat it. And one day the 

body comes to balance and boom, it just heals up.

Jared: Yeah. 

Don: E immune oil speeds that process.

Jared: Interesting. Okay, so

then you've got a, a variety of 

different products that you've started or that you've developed over the years? For, 

for, with Emmi Oil and, and frankly I've used a couple of them, but mostly 

I just use the pure oil and I do it a variety of different 

ways. I often will put

it on, uh, straight and 

maybe you can coach me on this a little bit, 

but I'll put it on straight and then put on [00:37:00] whatever else 

I.

I think I want to get in and use the EM oil as the carrier. 

Uh, and so I'll add it oftentimes to, um, and I just 

found out that uh, you folks even have one that has CBD B added to it. But I've had really 

good success with CBD B topically. But my big concern has 

been looking at the back of these bottles with 

CBD balm is that, uh, you know, is it really gonna get as deep 

as I want it to get?

Because you're using something with, for joint pain, for instance, CBD 

oil for joint pain, you gotta go. Pretty deep to 

really get more than just a surface relief, uh, from it. And so I've used it with a 

lot of success with that 

kind of thing. And when we first started talking prior to hitting record, I do keep a bottle 

at 

a two ounce bottle, EMU oil in my medicine cabinet. and I look at it as sort of a first aid. 

Option for a variety of different

things. 

Right. 

Um, and that would be the pure oil, but you've also used the pure oil and added it 

to a variety of things. We talked about the worker's hand, uh, 

the 

worker's cream, Uh, [00:38:00] for people that have the dry cracked, uh, super 

dehydrated skin. Uh, what else are you doing with emo oil and having success with, as far as these cosmetic 

products that you're developing?

Don: Well, just like, well, one of our facial products, this is, uh, our, uh, rejuvenation cream, and that's one that we used to, the original name on it was anti-aging cream.

Jared: Okay. 

Don: Until we were doing, we used to do a lot, little lot of trade shows. You know, as we get our, you know, our, our company started and I'd have.

People come up to me and say, oh, I'm, I'm too young to use that. And others would come up and say, I'm too old to use that. So we changed the name to rejuvenation, but it's got a high vitamin C content in it, along with the high content of immune oil and 

it's very, uh, works really well for, you know, actually scar reduction to, uh, evening out skin discolorations.

And then [00:39:00] just, you know, general hydration. But it's, it's an incredible product, 

Jared: Interesting. 

Don: the one that you are talking about with that, that sensitive skin cream. Uh, I mean, and it also is a very good, you know, daily moisturizer, but we've had very good success with it, with people with, uh, rosacea. You know, being able to calm that down.

In fact, we had a trade show, there's did a trade show down at Lake Havasu and one of the vendors there was just, She's just flaming in rosacea. She came up and says, what have you got for this? I said, well, sensitive skin cream. So she took some, put it on half her 

face. The one side of her face calmed down, the other 

side's bright red. She ran around, told everybody in the 

whole show showing them here it is, 

and 

we sold 

out pretty rapidly. But 

Jared: Here it is in red and white. 

Don: Most people aren't brave enough to do that. 

She was so amazed

Jared: That's [00:40:00] That's pretty 

Don: and not shy. She's a salesman.

Jared: Yeah. Well, I've got, I've got a good friend 

who struggles with rosacea, who's in the natural

products industry and has tried a lot of things without a lot of 

success. So I'm gonna 

have to, uh, turn her onto that. 

and let her know. Um, okay. Okay. So then if someone does have troubled skin, uh, troubled 

skin, rosacea, eczema, psoriasis, these types of things, the oil a cream, what do you typically recommend?

Don: Well, it depends on, you know, the location,

Jared: Okay.

Don: you know, cuz any of these product, anything with ol can be effective to that. The only thing I wouldn't use would 

be the hot slice and ice 

because of the cayenne in it. You know, it'd be a little irritating, but most anything else that we produce would work well.

So if you've 

got you know, uh, eczema or something on your face, 

number one, I'd recommend 

that sensitive

skin cream. But if it's on your hands, 

which is common? Feet, arms, 

knees, go to the worker's [00:41:00] cream. It's more 

protective. It's a little heavier 

cream. 

Jared: Okay. All right. Good to know. And 

then, 

Don: I really wouldn't hesitate to take some internally 

either, you know, in those situations.

So actually those compliment each other really well. 

Jared: Uh, what, what amount of capsules is recommended? A couple capsules a day or 

Don: Yeah, it's dosage Is 

is three a day

Jared: three a day. Uh, Okay. 

Don: Yeah. But if you, if you're a pro, you know, if you have a problem that you're trying to deal with, we recommend, you know, 

doubling up. Do you know, three in the 

morning, three in the night, go 

through a bottle that 

way, which would be a half a month, and then drop back to the 

three a day dosage.

Jared: Okay. 

Don: That seems to work really well to maintain it. 

Jared: Do the, do the inside out approach, which may makes plenty of 

Don: and then go on with the topicals and the thing, you know, like what you were talking about 

with 

using the pure oil. And then combining it with other 

ingredients, 

just due to the fact that it is a transdermal carrier. You wanna be very conscious [00:42:00] of 

the ingredients you're combining it with, 

Jared: what you're pulling in. 

Don: right? Those what, back in the early days, early times 

of the EB

industry, people were going down.

They'd run down to, 

you know, the local box store, buy the cheapest lotion they could find, combined emmi oil with it, 

take it to the farmer's market and sell it. Well, they have all these people coming back with rashes and all kinds of 

problems because these, you know, those type ingredients were never made to penetrate the skin.

They were just to be on the surface. So you're putting a transdermal carrier with something that's toxic to the 

body and it, you know, you get a bad result. So that's really a lot of the reason 

we

came up with our product line, which is very, very 

clean. It has no. 

Uh, artificial preservatives in it. We have 

no artificial color, no artificial fragrance,

nothing that would be toxic.

Also, the petroleum fillers, that's the other thing, [00:43:00] 

Jared: And that makes a a lot of 

sense and I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah. Be careful what you're pulling into your body with the 

email oil and that you're using the clean product if you're gonna do that. And of course you've got now, I mean, as I look at your product list and, and up to this point, we've only carried about eight or nine of your products, but you've got a.

Much wider selection than that. Um, I anticipate, uh, with this conversation I'll be looking back through your list and bringing more things into vitality, uh, to test out. So then would you say 

the pure immune oil, of course, is 

100% pure, um, but you feel like in. most cases, one of your creams would be a more overall beneficial product than just the Emmi oil rubbed onto, 

uh, problem skin.

Don: Yeah, I mean, if you could get, if you had to just pick one product, probably the, the pure oil, it's the most versatile, but if you're dealing with a specific problem, Scratch your head. Maybe it's, uh, uh, dandruff 

or, you know, [00:44:00] maybe, maybe, uh, you know, psoriasis in the scalp 

or something, or shampoo and conditioner 

are awesome 

for 

that. You know, it's treating the skin, it's bringing the balance of the skin. It's getting 

nutrients in instead of just drying it out.

Jared: Yeah. Very interesting. I have one other question that I want you 

to answer cause I think people that have 

never used this stuff before or seen it really, uh, will want to know this, it, it is an animal fat, uh, is there an off-putting scent or any of that kind of stuff to it when it, when it's applied?

Don: There's no scent. There's no flavor. If you buy anemia, oil, 

and it has a 

scent in it, 

it's either being covered up, they're covering up 

something, or

it could just plain be rancid if it hasn't been 

refined properly. Now our, our product, 

we, you know, one thing we started out at the bottom, we, you know, you gotta have a strong foundation.

So the 

feed, you know, we gotta just to balance high, highly 

[00:45:00] nutritional

feed that these things are raised on and the oil can 

be influenced easily by whatever

the components are in the feed. 

Jared: Sure. 

Don: And then, uh, once that is done is that they're, you know, processed properly. We're not doing it in the backyard.

We've got proper sanitation and refrigeration. So they're processed in an inspected, you know, uh, plant. 

From there, it's all shipped out frozen to a 

refining facility that refines it. We send it in for testing and, you know, to make sure the content is right. It's, it's, uh, one of the tests is an OSI reading, which will tell you that longevity,

you know, stability of the oil, 

cause the crude rendered oils and a lot of the stuff that 

uh, 

you know, you find it on the 

internet, it's cheap. Comes outta Australia 

and a lot of it's not been 

refined and it would 

have like a six month shelf 

life at best, [00:46:00] where a good quality refined 

evening oil would go. Absolute minimum of three years.

Jared: Okay. Interesting. and so then, uh, and, and of course I already knew the answer to that question cause I use it myself and it, it's incredible actually to me how. I don't know what the word is, but how mild I guess it is,

because you really can't smell it. Uh, and, and then one of the, I think is so unique about it, and you just have to 

test this out, is when you do rub it on the skin, 

it, it feels oily obviously, but it goes in. in. ways that no other oil you've rubbed on your skin goes in. It's really 

amazing stuff. So, totally unique. Uh, um, and, and that's again why I 

wanted to bring 

you on. And of course we're running outta time now, but, um, is there anything else, Don, before I let you go, that people need to know about 

Emo oil, the uses of it, or any of those things? 

Don: Well, just getting to some of the, um, well, you said you br you have the lip

Jared: Oh, yes. We

Don: lip

Jared: those. That's our number one seller.

Don: Yeah, they are, [00:47:00] and I'm not biased or anything, but they're The best in the world 

and they can be used for more than just a lip 

ball. you know, we got a lot of, people 

that do, you know, rock climbing and that kind of thing.

And if you're rock climbing, you know, 

you're, you're scuffing your knuckles up and on 

the rocks, they rub a little on their lips, a little 

on the fa, on the knuckle and, and keep climbing the wall.

Jared: Yeah, and I will say this, and obviously

your, your product's not mine. And so I have, I guess less, uh, less bias in this way, But I've never ever, and we've sold. I don't even know, probably a hundred brands of lip 

balm. In the 40 plus years we've been in business, I've never had a lip balm that people come back and rave about 

like the 

Montana Emo Ranch lip balm.

People absolutely love this stuff and once they try it they just don't ever want to use another lip balm. It. it really is amazing 

what we hear about it [00:48:00] and easily the thing,

that we sell the most 

in your line. And, and frankly, I don't think most people 

even know, 

what's unique or 

special about it. They just think you guys have this great recipe, but obviously the 

magic is in the 

emu oil that's in that lip balm and, and, and able to penetrate 

into the, uh, tissue and, and really 

heal at the, at that lower level.

Don: Mm-hmm. Well, it is, and then, you know, basically, you know, beeswax is really good nutrient too. And so the emol, you know, pet patrol or. Propelling that. Uh, but so many skincare pro, you know, I'm talking conventional skincare, uh, lip bones, these kind of things. The more you use it, the more 

you need it. 

You know, a lot of, or alcohol, you know, they have alcohol base, you know, 

and which evaporates in, they want to evaporate off those oil excess oils, and when they evaporate off those oils, because they won't go in, that it draws moisture from The skin as well.[00:49:00] 

Now ours 

have none of those drying agents. It just, you know, it's made to absorb. But you'll see with, you know, even a lotion. How many times have you seen, I don't mean, to pick on the women, but you got a lotion bottle present. they can't resist taking a pump off it, 

you know, every time you walk by it. And, uh, You know, because, and that's, that's a lot of the reason cuz it just.

keeps drying, it keeps pulling moistures and you need more of it.

And that's a good marketing thing, but it's not good for the body. Now ours, 

you take, you know, you put some on in the morning, you might put 

some on again in the evening, but it stays moisturized all day long.

Jared: Yeah. And that's one thing that I've found 

interesting too, cuz I've got the workers' cream upstairs, um, and then I have the 

lip balm and, I have the pure emo oil. Those are the three that I have. On hand at 

my place right now. And, um, the, these, they aren't very 

big jars. The workers' cream jars are pretty small, but they go a really long way cuz you're not having to reapply 'em 10 times a [00:50:00] day and and you don't seem to need a ton of coverage either.

Uh, you can put a pretty thin layer on there and get a really good 

result. 

Don: Mm-hmm. 

Jared: All right. 

Don: that way. The lot shouldn't, I mean, all of, they just. 

Jared: Okay, so this is what's happened. I 

get, I get you on my show, and my show is a, is 

a show about educating people on natural products. It's about, it's about getting people 

to, you know, come in and support my business, right?

At Vitality, it's a combination of, of education and advocacy and, and sales, right? We talk about products on here. I'm, I'm very 

open about that, that I have my own biases, uh, when I'm trying to sell things, uh, you know, on this show. And then sometimes I get a guy like you on who I've never met until this morning.

And then I think, 

oh, you know what just happened? I just did an interview where that guy sold me 

something. And so, 

so when we hang up, uh, from this, uh, recording, we're not hanging up the phone because I'm gonna be talking to you about a few other products I'm gonna have to bring in. I'm really fascinated with.

This topic, and I really, really appreciate the [00:51:00] education that I've received. I anticipate, uh, hearing some really, 

really cool things from my listeners and, uh, and seeing some people test out EMU oil for the first time. Don Collins from Montana EMU Ranch. Thank you so much for your time and your education here on, uh, EMU Oil on Vitality Radio.

Don: All right. Thank you, Jared.

Jared: All right. I'm gonna let Don go and I, we've run right up against the time, so I'm gonna go ahead and let you go as well. I hope that you were as fascinated by this topic as I was. Uh, this emu oil thing has been something that I've thought about putting on the radio for a long time. I didn't know enough about it.

I found out that. I could talk to Don about it and uh, get him to educate you and I'm so glad I did. If you have questions about anything you hear on Vitality Radio, give us a call 8 0 1 2 9 2 66 62. That's 8 0 1 2 9 2 66 62 or you can jump on our website, vitality Nutrition. Dot com. You can open up a chat message or just go in and browse [00:52:00] around.

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