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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody, thanks for tuning in once again

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bible Guys. I am Chris and I'm Kyle,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we're your Bible Guys because Jeff is on

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<v Speaker 1>this mission across the world helping people get to know

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus to the Timothy Initiative. And we are in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of a series called Dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Prayers, bind about surrendered.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, this whole week has been quite a journey, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's been Isaiah in heaven talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>send me God, and then we talked about Moses who says, okay, God,

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<v Speaker 1>show me your glory. You know, I want your presence

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<v Speaker 1>to be with me. What a dangerous prayer, right, to

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<v Speaker 1>desire God's glory more than anything else. And then yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about the disciples who are faced with a

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<v Speaker 1>really hard truth, who say, God, help us to increase

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<v Speaker 1>our faith. Right, so think about that, you know, send

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<v Speaker 1>me on whatever mission you want. God, help me to

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<v Speaker 1>know your presence more than anything else. And God increased

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<v Speaker 1>my faith so that I can do what you asked

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<v Speaker 1>me to do. Those are three dangerous prayers, and today

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<v Speaker 1>we're actually talking about the prayer that Paul prayed about

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<v Speaker 1>the thorn in his flesh. What is known as the thorn.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always hated that phrase. I've always hated it.

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<v Speaker 2>Really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, because it's not a literal thorn. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's just for some reason, when we

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<v Speaker 1>when we attach things to you know, it's just become

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<v Speaker 1>known as the thorn.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yet, it's like it's like he never you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess a translation referred to as the thorn. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>why where the name came from. Yeah, but anyway, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so before we even get into that, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be playing this game. It's guess the word. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be the host of this game. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you know this, but people call me

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<v Speaker 2>the king of catchphrase.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently, because that's what that's what that's how this is rich.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, wrote this game and or this made this

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<v Speaker 2>And she knows that if she's been my house a

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<v Speaker 2>few times in which we've played the game catchphrase. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be honest, although I am good at catchphrase. My wife,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to minute. She'll she may not listen to

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast right now for this day, but she is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely better than me.

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's not a competitive person at all, but for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason catchphrase, she gets very competitive. She's good queen,

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<v Speaker 2>She's the queen. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have a word.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, this is sort of like taboo.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're listening online, if you're watching online on video,

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<v Speaker 1>what we're going to try to do, hopefully is put

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<v Speaker 1>all the forbidden words on the screen so that you

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<v Speaker 1>can watch along with us and make sure that Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't make a blunder. Yes, so watch yourself, monitor yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be careful. So basically, there's a word that I

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<v Speaker 2>want Chris to say, but I have to avoid saying

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<v Speaker 2>these other words that you're going to see on this

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<v Speaker 2>The audience should race me, all right, So we'll go

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<v Speaker 2>number one. Yes, this word is something you will eat

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<v Speaker 2>in Apple. Nope, it's something you may get at doat

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<v Speaker 2>Francesca's probably a basic thing on the menu.

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<v Speaker 1>Lasagna.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, it's even more basic than that lapasta. Nope, it's

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<v Speaker 2>similar tophistic part of that. Yes, I can't say those words. Nope,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's like basic man's chef. Yep, there you go, boom, spehetti.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two, this one is gonna be toughka no.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you can't move on yet. You gotta tell us

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<v Speaker 1>the words that you are not allowed to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't say pasta, noodles, Italian sauce, or meat balls.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, by the way, once I say the words, you're

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to say that, okay, gotcha. So so if I

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<v Speaker 1>was like I said pasta, you can say what's another

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<v Speaker 1>word for past.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, you can say that. There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Our next one, this one's gonna be a tough one.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. So this maybe somebody is a magician and

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<v Speaker 2>they would do this. They will no, they would shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one word and it's something where they're uh teleport Nope,

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<v Speaker 2>shoot a word. I almost just said, okay, So they're

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<v Speaker 2>making you think something that isn't actually there an illusion. Boom,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the word illusion. Nice work, all right. So the

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<v Speaker 2>words I couldn't say were magic, trick, deception, mirage, or fake. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>So good job do you. I know, that's kind of hard.

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<v Speaker 2>That was tough, So I said, magician, I don't know, hopefully,

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<v Speaker 2>I I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know how I would say illusion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of times the way I approach this

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<v Speaker 1>game is I try to go at a different angle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I say, like, it's like, what's that movie with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Illusionist? So yeah, cut it down illusion. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's even like for the spaghetti One's why I

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<v Speaker 2>went with Duffer Chessca's. Canat know you like the place?

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, yeah, this next one is can.

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<v Speaker 1>Be brutal, although I do like daffern Chesca's, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know it beats it. Oh yeah, it's it's my spot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's number one for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice all right. So third one here, I got a

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<v Speaker 2>word here where basically you can fall into it. You

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<v Speaker 2>may see this on a beach, a pit. It's more

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<v Speaker 2>in movies. Something you might see in movies, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>something where you end up falling into it and it's

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<v Speaker 2>really hard to get out of this thing. You may

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<v Speaker 2>see like Indiana Jones, you know, like an Indiana Jones

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<v Speaker 2>type thing where they are quick sand yes boom, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't say sink. No, sink. You can't say sink. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't say trap, desert, mud or struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, because sink would have given yes. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right. Fourth one, all right, oh, here we go,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a moment. Here, I gotta look at these

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these are these are decently tough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay. Fourth one is it's it's an attribute that

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<v Speaker 2>somebody may have character, no, mm, integrity, thank you, get

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<v Speaker 2>me go, Oh my gosh, this is tough. Okay. It's

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<v Speaker 2>also something in that thank you you're uh, it's something

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<v Speaker 2>that may go out at your home.

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<v Speaker 1>Electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, that is one of the words. It's electricity. But

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<v Speaker 2>what is power? Power?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Attribute somebody may have as I went wrong on that

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<v Speaker 2>west So it's strength, energy, electricity, control, and authority. So

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<v Speaker 2>it did a good job of locking it. But once

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<v Speaker 2>you said electricity, that was great okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And and the word was power.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, power. That's why I said it's something you can

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<v Speaker 2>lose in a home. You said electricity, Where does that

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<v Speaker 1>I would have said, like the old he Man cartoon says,

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<v Speaker 1>I have the blank.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I need to do a better job of

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<v Speaker 2>looking at it. Yeah, pop culture. Thanks. Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>here we go this next one. Yea, it's not it's

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite of white as far black colors. Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the first word. And then this is something you would

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<v Speaker 2>fall into.

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<v Speaker 1>Black pit.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, something else you'd fall into. You got it?

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<v Speaker 1>Black ditch?

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<v Speaker 2>Well I didn't even say anything. You just got there

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<v Speaker 2>right so that the words were uh, space, gravity, galaxy,

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<v Speaker 2>universe or suck. So for you, I feel like when

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<v Speaker 2>I went with your your strategy of opposite of white black,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. So you gotta du that was good.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you get all five?

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<v Speaker 2>Next word?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? All right? So speaking question is did the

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<v Speaker 1>fans beat me?

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<v Speaker 2>Did the fans beat you? Yees? So I guess let

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<v Speaker 2>us know. I meant we mentioned this a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>days ago. We love to read your comments. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you know what's but his comments. Yes, she

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<v Speaker 2>comments all the times, very encouraging words. So maybe if anything,

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<v Speaker 2>just that could be a reason to start reading the comments.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us know if you beat us in that game,

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<v Speaker 2>beat Chris, and that game beat me? I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>once thought I was the king of catchphrase. That was tough, though.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you my good friends Maria and Craig Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>dear friends of ours. Yeah, I bet you that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to comment because I mentioned the restaurant that they

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<v Speaker 1>always take us to, Licious. Yes, and they're going to comment.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh my goodness, Yes, Maria Craig say hi. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening to this, yes, say hi, And that's all

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Just say. Then everybody else tune in to see Marie

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<v Speaker 1>and Craig say hi. Yes, So everybody engage. Everybody writes something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let us know. I mean, that's so that's their

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<v Speaker 2>favorite spot is Luciano's, right, Oh yeah, okay, So here's

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<v Speaker 2>what I want to do, just because I want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear on that comment. Let us know what your favorite

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<v Speaker 2>local restaurant is. It might be nice to show some

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<v Speaker 2>love to local fun spots, you know, local spots, local restaurants.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So clearly that was not a weakness of

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<v Speaker 2>yours or mine that game, right, you'd say that was

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<v Speaker 2>a strength of yours.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, oh good.

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<v Speaker 2>But job, some people this kind of thing may be

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<v Speaker 2>a weakness. And today we're actually going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>turning your weakness into a strength. Whow as we lean

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<v Speaker 2>into Second Corinthians twelve, it's good, that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you took the assignment seriously? Yeah, yeah, you really

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<v Speaker 1>did well. Good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I saw weakness and I was like, oh, that

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<v Speaker 2>was good. That was the strength of yours. Because if

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<v Speaker 2>you would have said I'm not really that good at that,

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<v Speaker 2>that would have been my segue. But anyways, you are good.

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<v Speaker 2>And today we're going to be reading in Second Corinthians

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<v Speaker 2>in chapter twelve, and as Chris mentioned earlier, it's about dangerous,

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous prayers of surrender. Second Corinthians. You good if I

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<v Speaker 2>start yep?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Twelve one through ten says this, This boasting is Paul speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>This boasting will do no good, but I must go on.

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<v Speaker 2>I will reluctantly tell about the visions and revelations from

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord. I was caught up to the Third Heaven

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen years ago. Whether I was in my body or

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<v Speaker 2>Things no human is allowed to tell. That experience is

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<v Speaker 2>from God. So to keep me from becoming proud, I

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<v Speaker 2>Three different times I beg the Lord to take it away.

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<v Speaker 2>Each time he said, my grace is all you need.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I love this It's one of the most p

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's so many different opposite kind of things,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is probably one of the most powerful. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>deeper than most. Right. So it's like what he's really

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<v Speaker 1>yourself and you're gifted, right, You're gifted in all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>these different things, your your wisdom and all these different things.

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<v Speaker 1>So you could say that, you know, a really talented

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<v Speaker 1>the share of those kinds of people right where it's like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>And then sometimes, not often, i should say not the majority.

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<v Speaker 1>It is often, but not the majority. But oftentimes we'll

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<v Speaker 1>in it was all about him, right, or you know whoever.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that I think that this concept is

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<v Speaker 1>so deep because what it's saying is it's saying that

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you're deficient, you have no choice but to rely

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<v Speaker 1>on the power of God in your life. And it's like, well, God,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in Cape. It's like Gideon, right, It's like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>incapable of doing these things. And God's like, perfect, You're

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<v Speaker 1>exactly where I want you to be. And you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect David goes out there to fight Goliath. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>see God's strength come through because there's no way you

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<v Speaker 1>could defeat Golias like this, right, I mean, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>but that hadn't been gotten right. And so it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, that's what it means. It means Paul is saying,

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<v Speaker 1>like I have I am. So you think about Paul Man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's credentials. Think about Paul. There was nobody that could

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<v Speaker 1>have boasted more than Paul. Yes, and and and yet

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<v Speaker 1>what he's saying is is he's saying, there's this thing

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<v Speaker 1>in my life and and and uh and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>there to remind me that I have to stay humble,

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<v Speaker 1>right because because if this thing weren't there, I probably

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't rely on God as much as I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So would you say the dangerous prayer here would

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<v Speaker 2>be the fact that he prayed three times for the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord to take the flesh or the thorn away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then God's response was that my grace is enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it says in this translation I've always heard,

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<v Speaker 2>is that my grace is sufficient for you. You've probably heard

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<v Speaker 2>that before and IV translation translations, sufficient is defined as enough.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why, I've always loved that that

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<v Speaker 2>that that word that's saying, my grace is sufficient sufficient.

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<v Speaker 1>So here it says, is all you need.

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<v Speaker 2>All you need.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that my grace is all you need. Whenever

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<v Speaker 2>you know he's saying, he said, hey, take this away

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<v Speaker 2>from me. Hey, just you know, my grace is enough.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need anything more or anything less. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what I got for you. I love that, But I

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<v Speaker 2>think for me that you agree with you. I love

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he's talking about boasting in the things

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<v Speaker 2>that you're weak at, because when you're weak, then He

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<v Speaker 2>has made strong. And it's a reminder, yeah, for all

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<v Speaker 2>of us or anybody really here who maybe is going

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's something in your life. I don't know about you,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's powerful to pray and ask God.

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<v Speaker 2>We should be praying, we should be praying for healing

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<v Speaker 2>over things. But you and I both have seen a

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<v Speaker 2>fair share of prayers that you're just asking God's will

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<v Speaker 2>to be done right. You're just praying. And oftentimes I

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<v Speaker 2>to attach people's faith or lack of faith into that healing.

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<v Speaker 2>But we see here, here's Paul, who is like the

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<v Speaker 2>most faith right, he's the most God following person. Yet

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<v Speaker 2>God didn't take away that sickness, that ailment, that illness,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it. Maybe that thorn in his flesh. God said,

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry about relying on me. Just a fun story

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<v Speaker 2>that just I don't know if I've ever shared this

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<v Speaker 2>the youth group I was leading, there's a big group

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<v Speaker 2>of students and leaders that went to a concert for

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<v Speaker 2>a well known worship group in the country. They're a

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<v Speaker 2>well known traveling worship group. But they also had their

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<v Speaker 2>known to do like healings at the end of the service,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we had a bunch of students and adult

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<v Speaker 2>leaders who went out there with these with to see

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<v Speaker 2>this worship concert and at the end there was a

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<v Speaker 2>healing part of the service where they told people that

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<v Speaker 2>if you just had enough faith, enough faith small as

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<v Speaker 2>a mustard seed, God will heal you of whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 2>but you just have to take the step. And so

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<v Speaker 2>we had a person actually who is maybe a junior,

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<v Speaker 2>else drove together. He had been running to something he had.

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<v Speaker 2>He has serious eyesight issues. If only he had faith,

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<v Speaker 2>then God would heal him. So what he did is

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<v Speaker 2>he broke his glasses that he needed to see, broke

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<v Speaker 2>him in half walk to the altar, could barely see.

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<v Speaker 2>And God did not take that from God did not

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<v Speaker 2>heal his his eyesight right there. And then his mom

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<v Speaker 2>barely see. He is on the road driving an hour away.

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<v Speaker 2>what he has perceived lack of faith because God clearly

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<v Speaker 2>didn't heal him. I remember just thinking, man, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the danger. We can blame ourselves. What my faith,

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<v Speaker 1>My faith was.

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<v Speaker 2>Percent And I think this is always a reminder for

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<v Speaker 2>me that like, maybe it's not like I think we

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<v Speaker 2>should pray for healing. Maybe we should one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>We should pray him, believe that God can heal us

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<v Speaker 2>and will if if he so desires. But the same

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<v Speaker 2>time trusting in what Paul is saying here that like

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<v Speaker 2>his grace is still enough. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you've had his stories like that where you've winned people

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<v Speaker 2>who like man, it must be my lack of faith

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<v Speaker 2>that God didn't heal this thing. And it's sad, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. And again the sad part is in the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that we sometimes take God's word and we say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're able to name it and claim it because the

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<v Speaker 1>choice is up to us. When when actually, in every

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<v Speaker 1>single time that God says, hey, if you have enough

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<v Speaker 1>faith ask this will be done. It'll be done. But

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<v Speaker 1>what God always does is he always throws it under

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<v Speaker 1>the umbrella that it's God. God is the one doing

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<v Speaker 1>the miracle. And so therefore it has to align with

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<v Speaker 1>God's will. Right, So it is if God chooses right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so so yes, we can have move We can

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<v Speaker 1>move mountains, We can see mountains moved with incredible faith.

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<v Speaker 1>We can see mulberry trees cast into the sea, we

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<v Speaker 1>can see all these different things. You know, with the

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<v Speaker 1>size of a mustard. See, but that's if God wills it. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So God is able and we are able. Period, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the end of that sentence. Right. We can do this

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<v Speaker 1>because after all, if it were just a name it

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<v Speaker 1>and claim it kind of a thing, then Paul's forlorn

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<v Speaker 1>in his flesh would have been gone. Yep. So Paul

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<v Speaker 1>has the quality of faith, and you know who makes

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<v Speaker 1>the cut, it's going to be Paul, right, So you know, Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul is a guy in Act chapter nine where Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>appeared in front of him, He's the only apostle that is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to be categorized with the other twelve apostles, right,

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<v Speaker 1>He's the only other parstle that Jesus came down and

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<v Speaker 1>hand picked. And he did so after he died and

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<v Speaker 1>rose again, he came back down to the earth to

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<v Speaker 1>to spread the gospel. I mean, he physically appeared in

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<v Speaker 1>About that a lot. Yeah. But Paul's talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>vision that he had, and he says, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>it was a vision. I don't know if I physically

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<v Speaker 1>So if there's anybody who has enough faith that God

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<v Speaker 2>then he had this encounter with Jesus, the risen Savior,

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<v Speaker 2>and his life is completely transformed. But I like how

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<v Speaker 2>he talks about boasting in weakness, boasting your weaknesses. Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>it true that a tendency we may have as Christians,

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<v Speaker 2>the more we follow God, is to almost not even

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<v Speaker 2>notice our weaknesses. Right, were quick to notice the weaknesses

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<v Speaker 2>of others and point out the flaws of others. But

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think it's interesting the guy who should be

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<v Speaker 2>it was probably very mature in his faith, was very

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<v Speaker 2>quick to point out that he will boast, He'll brag

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<v Speaker 2>about his weakness. I think this is a reminder for

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who listen to this who maybe like it's really easy,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when on his daily podcast. You'll listen to a

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<v Speaker 2>daily Bible podcast, to really allow knowledge to puff you

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<v Speaker 2>up and build you up and make you feel somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>superior or feel like you have all the answers and

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<v Speaker 2>the truth and all that stuff. It's very easy. I honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've met so many people over the years

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<v Speaker 2>who the knowledge has puffed them up and created pride

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<v Speaker 2>and that sort of thing. Then you have Paul who

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<v Speaker 2>goes literally the opposite of that. He's like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm going to boast about my weaknesses for when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm weak and I made strong. That's literally what it

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<v Speaker 2>should look like. The more you actually, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to go deeper and grow deeper in your faith, it

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<v Speaker 2>actually looks like that acknowledging that you don't have what

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<v Speaker 2>it takes. You're not strong enough. You have more weaknesses

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<v Speaker 2>maybe than you do strengths. You know, and maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 2>God has allowed this to happen because we absolutely need him.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think that when once knowledge starts to puff up.

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<v Speaker 2>You begin to realize that you start to think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I got this, I'm smart enough, I'm good enough, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>out to enough, that's right, and miss out on all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some of the best times in my life are

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<v Speaker 1>when I think to myself, if God doesn't show up,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm toasted. Right. I mean, you know you have to

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<v Speaker 1>you have to have enough faith in your life to

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<v Speaker 1>move forward with every God calls you to do. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's like, man, you know, anything without risk

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really require God to show up, right, And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's almost the definition of faith at times right where

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like it's like, Okay, I'm too weak for

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<v Speaker 1>this to happen. I can't manufacture this, I can't produce

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<v Speaker 1>the results of this. I can't make this happen. Only

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<v Speaker 1>God can do this. And so you know, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>form of saying, like, God, I can't do this, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>weak in this area, right, Only you have the power

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<v Speaker 1>to do this. And so I think that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a This serves as a great reminder. And I do

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<v Speaker 1>love the fact that we don't know what Paul's Infirmaty

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<v Speaker 1>Infirmary was. You know, some people have said over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>I've read so many different things. Some people have said

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<v Speaker 1>he was hunchbacked.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever heard of that?

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<v Speaker 1>That he had this hunchback, which because because the word

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<v Speaker 1>Paul means well, gosh, what does it mean, it means

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<v Speaker 1>it means like, does it mean hump or something? No,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul means can you look at up? Maybe you look

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<v Speaker 1>up what the word Paul means, but it means something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and they thought, oh, maybe that's why he

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<v Speaker 1>was named that. And then some people for some reason

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<v Speaker 1>say that Paul's eyesight. I've heard that, Yeah, where maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was he was blind or something, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>then some people have attributed to you know, different various things.

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<v Speaker 1>But either way, it doesn't tell us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks like it's me Paul. It means small

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<v Speaker 2>or humble. There you go at Okay, I mean small

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<v Speaker 2>or humble. Ye me look up Saul real quick, just

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm curious. Yeah, which it wouldn't be with King Saul.

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<v Speaker 1>But still, I just remember being in the Life of

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<v Speaker 1>Paul class with doctor Haru, and I thought, and somehow

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he attributed the definition of the word Paul to.

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<v Speaker 2>The humpy, to the humpback.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe not maybe, but maybe small Mint hunched over.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But either way though, I love the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Paul doesn't mention what it was because it's

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<v Speaker 1>symbolic for the rest of us. And so think about

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<v Speaker 1>the credentials of the apostle Paul. Number one, he was

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<v Speaker 1>a pharisee, right, so he grew up in the religious elite.

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<v Speaker 1>He had political prowess, he had a future, he had

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<v Speaker 1>definitely an income, right, he had fame, He had all

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<v Speaker 1>those different things. So in Act chapter nine, at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>it tells us that he was so much in favor

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<v Speaker 1>of the religious movement that he was actually in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of persecuting Christians. And he was commissioned by Caiaphas to

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<v Speaker 1>go to Damascus to accomplish in Damascus when he had

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<v Speaker 1>already successfully accomplished in Jerusalem, which was to perscue Christians.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the head of all of that, so he had influence,

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<v Speaker 1>he was rising up through the ranks, and Act chapter

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<v Speaker 1>seven he was an intern and Act chapter ninety's in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of the whole thing, so all of that. But

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<v Speaker 1>he was a Roman citizen on top of that, And

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<v Speaker 1>it was so unbelievably unique for a Jew to be

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<v Speaker 1>a Pharisee to also be a Roman citizen and for

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<v Speaker 1>him to be a Roman citizen. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the context of that is, of course Rome was occupying

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<v Speaker 1>the territory of the Jewish people at the time. So

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<v Speaker 1>Rome had conquered the world, which is why they were

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<v Speaker 1>under They were under oppression, which is why when Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>was under trial, remember he had to go to both

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<v Speaker 1>Caiaphas and then to Herod and then you know, then

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<v Speaker 1>Caiaphas the Supreme Court, and then go back to ponscious Pilot.

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<v Speaker 1>It was both Rome condemning his death and then also

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<v Speaker 1>the religious leaders because the religios leaders can't do anything

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<v Speaker 1>without Rome. They were just there. They were the taxation,

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<v Speaker 1>they were the conquering political people of the world, the power.

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<v Speaker 1>So Paul had this unique position where he was a

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<v Speaker 1>Jew who he was a Roman citizen, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>later on when he's thrown in jail, he doesn't tell

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<v Speaker 1>anybody he's a Roman citizen. And then finally he says,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a Roman citizen. They feared him and they let

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<v Speaker 1>him go, right, So think about everything he has worth

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<v Speaker 1>to brag for, and then none of that. But he

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<v Speaker 1>studied under the finest. He studied under Gamellion, So think

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<v Speaker 1>about his training under the very best of the best.

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<v Speaker 1>So here he is this prestigious guy. I've always I've

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<v Speaker 1>always been impressed with this. But did you know what

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<v Speaker 1>Paul's final exam was? If you ever heard this, So

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<v Speaker 1>the pharisees would have to study the Book of the Horror,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, right, or the Pentitook, the five Books of Moses,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would always be printed in the same fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>And so for Paul's final exam to become.

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<v Speaker 2>A pharisee, they have to have memorized.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you'd have to have memorize. But get this to

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<v Speaker 1>such a Yeah, of course you had to have memorize.

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<v Speaker 1>But worse than that, they would close the Book of

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<v Speaker 1>the Peditook and they would take a nail and they

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<v Speaker 1>would pick anywhere on the Bible, and they would or

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<v Speaker 1>on the Books of Moses, and they would drive and

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<v Speaker 1>nail through anywhere in that book. And he would have

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<v Speaker 1>to quote every verse that it went through. Wow, based

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<v Speaker 1>on where it was on the page. Wow. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's according to according to tradition, that's what it was

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<v Speaker 1>on all five books of the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like the first first, like thirteen, right

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<v Speaker 2>or something like. That's very well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure about us. It's most people's belief that

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<v Speaker 1>he would have taken the test at thirty. But but

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking of just to be a Jewish boy would

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<v Speaker 1>have the Books of Moses memorized by the age of twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, and then they follow a rabbi and do

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But in order to become a pharisee and to

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<v Speaker 1>have memorize it to that degree, you would have to

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<v Speaker 1>start that at thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>That's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean, think about all the credentials. So

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<v Speaker 1>if there's anybody who had a right to brag, it's Paul, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So Egan brag about the things that he left, the

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<v Speaker 1>influence that he had, the difference that he made in

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<v Speaker 1>the Christian movement to where to where like he had

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<v Speaker 1>to literally be lowered out of a wall. He had

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<v Speaker 1>officials after him. So he has caused the ruckus to

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<v Speaker 1>the highest degree. And so he says, listen, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>to heaven, whether it's bodily or not, I've been there

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<v Speaker 1>in a vision or something. He's like, I have reason

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<v Speaker 1>to brag, and yet and yet I'm telling you right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do it because I can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you a bunch of stories. But instead, what I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you is when I'm weak, then I'm strong.

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<v Speaker 1>What an unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Motto, y'all boast in my weakness? Yep, yeah that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, Well, it's a dangerous prayer to pray

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<v Speaker 1>God take this away from me, but it's probably even

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<v Speaker 1>more dangerous to say I'm okay with not having it

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<v Speaker 1>being removed. So hey, that's our time, so hopefully we

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<v Speaker 1>will see you next time on the bibble guys,