WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:24.903 --> 00:00:26.733 Anke: Hello and welcome, Diane. 00:00:26.733 --> 00:00:28.413 I'm very excited to have you here. 00:00:29.253 --> 00:00:30.543 Diane: Thank you for having me. 00:00:30.543 --> 00:00:35.613 I'm very excited to be here and, uh, I know we have a lot to discuss. 00:00:36.513 --> 00:00:37.968 Anke: I certainly believe we do. 00:00:38.388 --> 00:00:40.488 So, before we dive in, let people know. 00:00:40.488 --> 00:00:44.358 So where in this lovely world are you and what's your business with dogs? 00:00:45.018 --> 00:00:50.668 Diane: Well, I am located in Langley, Washington, um, on beautiful Whidbey 00:00:50.688 --> 00:00:52.668 Island, which I call Paradise. 00:00:52.758 --> 00:00:54.858 Um, and I. 00:00:55.833 --> 00:01:01.143 What I have to do with dogs is that I actually am really focused on 00:01:01.203 --> 00:01:07.953 stress as my research, but I deal have dealt with behavior problems 00:01:07.953 --> 00:01:09.573 for years and years and years. 00:01:09.903 --> 00:01:13.173 Uh, all sorts of dogs, all sorts of breeds. 00:01:13.623 --> 00:01:18.153 Um, actually starting when I was 18 years old with di Diane's dog 00:01:18.153 --> 00:01:20.943 obedience school, and it's all evolved. 00:01:20.993 --> 00:01:27.683 To 1996 when Kieran Pryor came out with, um, clicker and then, you know, 00:01:27.683 --> 00:01:29.903 positive training took, um, off. 00:01:30.173 --> 00:01:34.013 And I was all on board for that because I hated what I was seeing 00:01:34.313 --> 00:01:39.893 with dogs being hurt and their wellbeing not being considered at all. 00:01:40.433 --> 00:01:46.223 And my dad actually was an aversive trainer and he had a, um, a kennel and he 00:01:46.223 --> 00:01:49.673 trained Schutz Hound in canine military. 00:01:50.568 --> 00:01:56.388 Um, so I watched that rollout and was not always pleased with that. 00:01:57.138 --> 00:02:04.008 And so that led me to my own business, um, that I went into full-time working just 00:02:04.008 --> 00:02:06.528 with behavior problems after my career. 00:02:07.098 --> 00:02:13.668 And it's been, I've been in this business for 25 years now. 00:02:14.328 --> 00:02:16.638 Canine transformations, learning center. 00:02:17.658 --> 00:02:23.838 What I see are a lot of stress dogs because they have to acclimate to our 00:02:23.868 --> 00:02:31.038 human life, and that's not always what we think it might be because we don't 00:02:31.428 --> 00:02:34.578 speak the dog's language most of the time. 00:02:35.418 --> 00:02:39.168 And that's really how it rolled out because I've been really working with 00:02:39.168 --> 00:02:41.118 dogs since I was in fourth grade. 00:02:41.673 --> 00:02:47.793 A reactive dog, and that got me interested in reactivity and behavior problems. 00:02:48.453 --> 00:02:48.903 Anke: Wow. 00:02:49.773 --> 00:02:50.853 So many questions. 00:02:52.023 --> 00:02:54.183 So, wow. 00:02:54.183 --> 00:02:55.323 Uh, so I mean, 00:02:57.333 --> 00:02:58.803 so you've seen. 00:03:00.423 --> 00:03:03.723 This world evolve over the last few decades. 00:03:03.723 --> 00:03:04.113 Really? 00:03:04.113 --> 00:03:04.173 Yeah. 00:03:04.353 --> 00:03:08.403 So what's, what's the biggest change you've observed in, 00:03:08.463 --> 00:03:10.143 you know, I, I, I don't know. 00:03:10.143 --> 00:03:15.303 I would imagine dogs are more stressed today than they were maybe 30 years ago. 00:03:16.323 --> 00:03:17.103 Is that true? 00:03:17.103 --> 00:03:19.533 Or what changes have you seen 00:03:19.983 --> 00:03:23.073 Diane: when you talk about change and dec and decades? 00:03:27.513 --> 00:03:33.633 I used to take my cocker spaniel off lead, riding my bike into town. 00:03:33.993 --> 00:03:35.853 Never thought anything about it. 00:03:36.363 --> 00:03:41.163 Never, you know, had to worry about what she would be doing. 00:03:41.343 --> 00:03:46.833 Um, and she was reactive and she would just follow me and listen 00:03:46.833 --> 00:03:48.753 to me when I was kind to her. 00:03:49.173 --> 00:03:49.863 Mm-hmm. 00:03:49.864 --> 00:03:49.865 Um. 00:03:50.598 --> 00:03:54.678 So the biggest change that I'm, I'm seeing is that, you know, we're, we're 00:03:54.678 --> 00:04:00.198 adding all this equipment and maybe dogs are getting frustrated and over aroused, 00:04:00.198 --> 00:04:06.978 and that's why we're seeing a lot of what we call reactivity and aggression. 00:04:07.518 --> 00:04:11.748 Um, because a dog is speaking to us and telling them some, telling us that 00:04:11.748 --> 00:04:13.668 something is missing in their lives. 00:04:14.148 --> 00:04:18.153 And, um, we want to, you know. 00:04:18.903 --> 00:04:22.233 Have them comply to what we want them to do. 00:04:22.263 --> 00:04:26.043 And that can be aversive or it can be positive. 00:04:26.523 --> 00:04:32.403 It's your choice which road you're going to take because positive is better. 00:04:32.763 --> 00:04:36.513 And I can tell you, I've seen so many dogs that, that were trained 00:04:36.513 --> 00:04:38.643 that just look like robots. 00:04:39.153 --> 00:04:44.793 And, um, I don't like seeing that robotic effect from a dog that just tell me what 00:04:44.793 --> 00:04:47.613 to do, you know, and then I'll do it. 00:04:48.378 --> 00:04:53.598 I like to see that joyful dog coming out, and I think that's what we're seeing 00:04:53.928 --> 00:04:58.698 and that is not sitting well with a lot of people who don't know anything else 00:04:58.698 --> 00:05:01.398 other than I have to do the obedience. 00:05:01.758 --> 00:05:03.708 I have to make my dog mind. 00:05:04.308 --> 00:05:08.658 Well, no, it's taking a turn and the pendulum is swinging the other way. 00:05:09.228 --> 00:05:09.888 Anke: Hmm. 00:05:10.338 --> 00:05:13.758 So when, let's, let's just clarify the terminology. 00:05:13.758 --> 00:05:16.668 'cause I have a sense that sometimes reactivity, different 00:05:16.668 --> 00:05:18.198 people understand different things. 00:05:18.198 --> 00:05:18.318 Yes. 00:05:18.588 --> 00:05:23.298 How, how would you, what, like, when you say reactive, what does 00:05:23.298 --> 00:05:23.868 Diane: that look like? 00:05:24.738 --> 00:05:28.758 It looks like, um, things that are in the environment that the dog 00:05:28.758 --> 00:05:33.048 might react to, like sounds or, um. 00:05:33.783 --> 00:05:41.613 Cars, vehicles, uh, service people, um, just so that they become maybe 00:05:41.613 --> 00:05:47.283 over aroused, um, and frustrated that they can't get to that dog. 00:05:47.523 --> 00:05:53.193 There's of course, a dog or they see a cat or a cow, and they just become reactive. 00:05:53.193 --> 00:05:56.523 So we have to be careful of the, of the terminology. 00:05:56.523 --> 00:06:03.183 You're very right in saying on what we use, because we have to understand that. 00:06:03.873 --> 00:06:09.663 Why our dog is reactive, what in the environment is causing that? 00:06:10.293 --> 00:06:18.783 Um, too many distractions can lead to that reactivity, whereas aggression is scarier. 00:06:20.553 --> 00:06:24.093 Anke: Are they, are they related or is coming? 00:06:24.093 --> 00:06:26.343 Is one the logical consequence of the other? 00:06:26.343 --> 00:06:27.183 Not necessarily. 00:06:27.183 --> 00:06:27.513 Right. 00:06:27.903 --> 00:06:28.353 Diane: Can be. 00:06:28.353 --> 00:06:32.553 I think reactivity that turns to aggression is a higher level of 00:06:32.553 --> 00:06:39.393 reactivity where you are dealing with stress that has become acute or chronic. 00:06:39.843 --> 00:06:45.213 And uh, the difference is chronic acute stress spikes and 00:06:45.213 --> 00:06:47.043 then takes days to come down. 00:06:47.133 --> 00:06:48.273 But it does come down. 00:06:49.398 --> 00:06:53.268 Chronic stress spikes and never comes down. 00:06:53.328 --> 00:06:57.258 And that's where you have your health problems, your aggression, the dog is just 00:06:58.038 --> 00:07:00.888 responding negatively to the environment. 00:07:00.888 --> 00:07:03.348 So that's reactivity out of control. 00:07:04.788 --> 00:07:08.028 Anke: Do, do you think there's more of that now than there used to be? 00:07:09.468 --> 00:07:10.968 Diane: Oh, that's a good question. 00:07:11.208 --> 00:07:14.808 Um, I think we hear about it more now. 00:07:14.808 --> 00:07:15.408 Mm-hmm. 00:07:15.623 --> 00:07:15.843 Diane: And. 00:07:18.048 --> 00:07:21.288 Was there, was it, was it there before? 00:07:21.378 --> 00:07:25.343 Uh, probably, but we were dealing with dogs differently. 00:07:26.473 --> 00:07:26.693 Um. 00:07:27.783 --> 00:07:29.433 Than, and than today. 00:07:29.433 --> 00:07:32.433 And like I said, we're, we're applying all this equipment. 00:07:32.763 --> 00:07:37.263 We're not letting the dog adjust to certain things and we're letting them 00:07:37.263 --> 00:07:39.723 become frustrated and over aroused. 00:07:39.753 --> 00:07:45.978 And I, I've seen that in my German Shepherd puppy who had four owners 00:07:46.238 --> 00:07:49.018 before me by four months old. 00:07:50.853 --> 00:07:54.498 And so I was dealing with a puppy that over aroused easily, 00:07:54.648 --> 00:07:58.218 and when he became over aroused, he redirected his aggression. 00:07:58.488 --> 00:08:03.888 So that's when we're talking about he's reacting, he's becoming over aroused 00:08:03.888 --> 00:08:08.088 and he becomes highly frustrated and then he redirects regression, right? 00:08:08.088 --> 00:08:08.089 Mm-hmm. 00:08:08.113 --> 00:08:08.633 Then it becomes. 00:08:09.723 --> 00:08:10.533 He is biting me. 00:08:10.533 --> 00:08:13.143 He ripped my coat, you know, and all kinds of things. 00:08:14.223 --> 00:08:15.513 He doesn't do that anymore. 00:08:15.513 --> 00:08:20.973 I'm thinking, you know, this puppy is gonna grow into an 85, 9500 pound dog. 00:08:21.303 --> 00:08:27.483 I can't have this dog doing that at that, at that weight and that age. 00:08:27.483 --> 00:08:29.133 So, and he doesn't anymore. 00:08:29.553 --> 00:08:34.323 Um, but, but I asked myself why he was doing this. 00:08:35.043 --> 00:08:38.613 And with four owners, you know, there's reasons why. 00:08:40.038 --> 00:08:40.368 Anke: I mean, 00:08:40.518 --> 00:08:40.788 Diane: I 00:08:40.788 --> 00:08:45.408 Anke: thought maybe because like a lot of people live in apartments now where, 00:08:45.408 --> 00:08:51.258 you know, like this is part of my story with these ones here, those fur, you 00:08:51.258 --> 00:08:55.518 know, I used to live in a historic part of, of town in South Spain and 00:08:55.518 --> 00:08:58.188 I didn't even realize until I had Mr. 00:08:58.188 --> 00:09:03.618 Hypersensitive like very sensitive and he was like kind of like literally 00:09:03.618 --> 00:09:05.568 sort of on edge the entire time. 00:09:06.528 --> 00:09:11.298 You know, and because, and I realized when we were away, that's when I realized like, 00:09:11.358 --> 00:09:13.458 oh my God, he's a totally different dog. 00:09:13.608 --> 00:09:16.848 Like he's on information overload the entire time. 00:09:17.358 --> 00:09:17.598 Mm-hmm. 00:09:17.598 --> 00:09:21.258 And I moved twice so that he'd have a calmer life. 00:09:21.258 --> 00:09:21.498 Right. 00:09:21.498 --> 00:09:26.748 So it's, I mean, there's definitely seems to be the environment, you know? 00:09:26.748 --> 00:09:31.068 And people, I think when, I mean, I look at my grandparents, like nobody 00:09:31.068 --> 00:09:34.368 in an apartment in the middle of town would've even thought of getting a dog. 00:09:34.863 --> 00:09:36.393 Like a dog needs space. 00:09:36.393 --> 00:09:37.893 Like now we are sort of different. 00:09:37.893 --> 00:09:43.923 And I'm also very curious what you, you know, from what you did 00:09:43.923 --> 00:09:48.003 with your, with, with your, with your, uh, German Shepherd puppy. 00:09:48.243 --> 00:09:52.113 Like, somebody might, might go and like, oh God, I have a dog like that. 00:09:52.683 --> 00:09:53.043 So, 00:09:53.373 --> 00:09:53.913 Diane: and they get, how 00:09:53.913 --> 00:09:57.123 Anke: can I help them chill out or relax more? 00:09:57.123 --> 00:09:57.183 Yeah, 00:09:57.513 --> 00:10:01.593 Diane: they do get put down, but I've dealt with dogs like this. 00:10:01.593 --> 00:10:03.393 That's my whole career, you know. 00:10:03.453 --> 00:10:03.963 Um, I. 00:10:04.158 --> 00:10:11.388 Uh, very dogs with a lot of behavior problems and anxiety and stress. 00:10:12.108 --> 00:10:16.428 Um, and so when you're dealing with something like that, um, you have to 00:10:16.428 --> 00:10:21.468 know what you're doing, you know, and the, the normal companion dog owner. 00:10:22.218 --> 00:10:27.318 Uh, doesn't, and they become afraid because they take it personally that 00:10:27.318 --> 00:10:29.748 the dog is attacking them, right? 00:10:30.168 --> 00:10:31.608 When they're really not. 00:10:31.608 --> 00:10:36.768 They're trying to talk to you and say, something's not right here, and 00:10:36.768 --> 00:10:38.868 I don't feel good in this situation. 00:10:39.408 --> 00:10:41.268 Um, I feel closed in. 00:10:41.448 --> 00:10:46.338 So the first thing I taught him to do was to touch target, touch. 00:10:46.908 --> 00:10:49.728 Instead of grab, bite pull. 00:10:52.188 --> 00:10:55.098 So, so that was a process. 00:10:55.488 --> 00:11:01.218 Um, but now he'll give me a bump, you know, like a nose bump instead 00:11:01.218 --> 00:11:02.868 of the teeth don't come out. 00:11:03.228 --> 00:11:05.928 We're not ripping jackets, we're not doing anything. 00:11:05.958 --> 00:11:13.008 He's 17 months old and he is becoming a wonderful, wonderful family member and. 00:11:13.638 --> 00:11:17.358 It is a step-by-step process, and so that's what I do. 00:11:17.358 --> 00:11:21.198 My, one of my other specialties is resource guarding and 00:11:21.198 --> 00:11:23.178 multi dog households fighting. 00:11:23.628 --> 00:11:29.208 Um, I tend to like those cases and I, I love dealing with 00:11:29.388 --> 00:11:32.118 dogs that can't deal with life. 00:11:32.763 --> 00:11:36.123 Very much like a mental health professional or, you 00:11:36.123 --> 00:11:37.743 know, dealing with trauma. 00:11:38.043 --> 00:11:42.723 Um, there are several trainers that do that, and I happen to be one of them. 00:11:42.723 --> 00:11:47.943 And I, I love that because I understand what they're trying to say. 00:11:48.393 --> 00:11:54.393 I think we don't listen enough to our dogs, so, um, that's important. 00:11:54.753 --> 00:11:55.563 Anke: Oh, I agree. 00:11:55.713 --> 00:11:56.163 I agree. 00:11:56.163 --> 00:11:57.423 So, I mean, is there. 00:11:58.818 --> 00:12:02.148 Are there sort of certain things that you see over and over that 00:12:02.148 --> 00:12:05.568 people misinterpret or overlook? 00:12:06.828 --> 00:12:09.168 Diane: Um, yes. 00:12:09.198 --> 00:12:11.118 Um, there's so many things. 00:12:11.118 --> 00:12:14.508 I mean, it depends on what you're looking at and what behavior you're looking at. 00:12:14.508 --> 00:12:17.328 So if you wanna pick a behavior, 00:12:18.228 --> 00:12:20.238 Anke: well, let's just take an example. 00:12:20.238 --> 00:12:22.128 Let's just take a real life example. 00:12:22.698 --> 00:12:24.888 Good friend of mine, uh. 00:12:25.698 --> 00:12:30.678 Well, she just was just recovering from a hand injury because she 00:12:30.678 --> 00:12:32.958 has, um, an English Bull terrier. 00:12:32.958 --> 00:12:38.208 He is a bit over two years old, a little bit deaf on one ear, so I 00:12:38.208 --> 00:12:39.558 think that probably doesn't help. 00:12:39.768 --> 00:12:45.558 So he gets, I've seen him on Zoom calls, like it's a big chunky boy and he gets 00:12:45.558 --> 00:12:47.928 overexcited and when he doesn't wanna. 00:12:48.438 --> 00:12:48.993 Go home. 00:12:48.998 --> 00:12:50.388 Home, he gets snippy. 00:12:50.388 --> 00:12:57.678 And so now, apparently lately he started to go after joggers or piece people on 00:12:57.678 --> 00:13:00.528 a bicycle and actually nips and ankles. 00:13:00.678 --> 00:13:00.768 Mm-hmm. 00:13:01.038 --> 00:13:05.358 So that's how she actually ended up with, because she saw somebody in the distance. 00:13:05.358 --> 00:13:09.168 She said, oh my god, I thought he might go off and bite them in the Anke. 00:13:09.258 --> 00:13:11.928 So she grabbed the collar and he did a little twist. 00:13:12.618 --> 00:13:13.788 So that's how that happened. 00:13:13.788 --> 00:13:13.998 Right. 00:13:13.998 --> 00:13:17.688 So, but that kind of, so he's obviously over like. 00:13:18.603 --> 00:13:22.713 Gets aroused and then, you know, he's got a big mouth, so he's bitten 00:13:22.713 --> 00:13:24.423 her in the, you know, nipped her. 00:13:24.423 --> 00:13:27.333 Like, not like bitten, bitten, but like when he kind of doesn't 00:13:27.333 --> 00:13:28.593 want to go home, he'll go. 00:13:28.713 --> 00:13:29.733 And so he is nipped her. 00:13:30.183 --> 00:13:34.563 She's had bruises in her belly and on her hands and, and he's nipped other 00:13:34.563 --> 00:13:36.423 people in the, in the, in the ankles. 00:13:36.828 --> 00:13:42.048 Diane: Yeah, that's a real situation, um, that you have to really dial it back 00:13:42.108 --> 00:13:44.238 because he is becoming over aroused. 00:13:44.838 --> 00:13:48.678 Um, and he sounds like a smart boy because a lot of times with 00:13:48.828 --> 00:13:53.658 frustration and over arousal, these dogs are wicked smart and they know 00:13:53.658 --> 00:13:57.558 what they want and what they want to do, so she just has to dial it back. 00:13:57.558 --> 00:14:01.968 She has to go backwards back to kindergarten and start retraining this. 00:14:02.318 --> 00:14:05.588 And not take these long walks that she's taking. 00:14:05.858 --> 00:14:07.298 And I hear it all the time. 00:14:07.628 --> 00:14:09.158 Well, that's my sanity. 00:14:09.158 --> 00:14:10.418 I have to take the walk. 00:14:10.418 --> 00:14:13.208 Well, you take the walk, leave the dog. 00:14:13.388 --> 00:14:16.898 Anke: I think she, she does these long walks because she says he needs 00:14:16.898 --> 00:14:19.268 it to, to kind of get his energy out. 00:14:19.268 --> 00:14:20.108 I don't think so. 00:14:21.008 --> 00:14:22.508 Diane: No, I don't think so either. 00:14:22.988 --> 00:14:27.758 Take shorter walks and avoid that arousal level. 00:14:28.388 --> 00:14:29.168 Teach him. 00:14:30.528 --> 00:14:32.448 That it's fun to go back home. 00:14:32.958 --> 00:14:33.048 Mm-hmm. 00:14:33.708 --> 00:14:34.248 Diane: Okay. 00:14:34.248 --> 00:14:40.338 So that, let's say I, I like to call it, some people call it spider, um, walks. 00:14:40.638 --> 00:14:44.658 I call it A to A to B2C, you know, A to Z walk. 00:14:44.658 --> 00:14:49.968 So I go point A to B and I walk that 10 times back and forth. 00:14:51.978 --> 00:14:53.178 Then that's our walk. 00:14:53.208 --> 00:14:53.868 We're done. 00:14:53.958 --> 00:14:57.708 We don't go to the park and walk for miles and miles and miles because 00:14:57.708 --> 00:15:00.198 this dog is not ready to do that. 00:15:01.428 --> 00:15:05.598 Um, we wanted to stay below the arousal levels. 00:15:06.408 --> 00:15:08.508 Um, maybe rent a sniff spot. 00:15:08.508 --> 00:15:12.138 I don't know if they have them in the United Kingdom, but we have sniff spots 00:15:12.138 --> 00:15:17.748 here where people rent out places for reactive dogs, aggressive dogs that 00:15:17.748 --> 00:15:19.668 they can go and run their heart out. 00:15:20.163 --> 00:15:24.153 Without worrying about any other dogs or any other people around, 00:15:24.423 --> 00:15:28.773 find places where this dog can get its arousal out in frustration. 00:15:28.893 --> 00:15:31.083 It doesn't have to be a leash walk. 00:15:31.953 --> 00:15:38.403 Um, some enclosed area that might be different, you know, um, ex 00:15:38.493 --> 00:15:41.163 experience and environment for the dog. 00:15:42.663 --> 00:15:44.013 Um, very important. 00:15:44.343 --> 00:15:48.603 So she just needs to dial it back, teach him what else to do. 00:15:50.013 --> 00:15:53.403 Instead of arousing at what he's seeing. 00:15:54.903 --> 00:15:59.973 And believe me, um, I've been there, done that thousands of 00:15:59.973 --> 00:16:03.363 times, and so it does work. 00:16:04.263 --> 00:16:07.413 You have to be diligent about it, and you have to understand that you 00:16:07.413 --> 00:16:12.543 don't have to drag the dog wherever you go because you're just teaching 00:16:12.543 --> 00:16:14.973 him to accelerate that behavior. 00:16:15.828 --> 00:16:20.148 Instead of learning what else he can do with that behavior. 00:16:21.373 --> 00:16:21.593 Anke: Mm. 00:16:21.593 --> 00:16:25.878 Yeah, I mean, I've seen, I've seen him like at Zoom meetings when he is 00:16:25.878 --> 00:16:29.193 like, and next thing she goes like, oh my God, he's eating the blanket. 00:16:30.133 --> 00:16:34.668 So, so he's very much, you know, I kinda also knows when, like 00:16:34.668 --> 00:16:36.558 how to demand her attention. 00:16:36.558 --> 00:16:36.828 Right. 00:16:36.828 --> 00:16:41.988 So she's on the Zoom call and he's sort of supposedly sitting there quietly and, and 00:16:41.988 --> 00:16:44.748 then he, he gets stuck into the blanket. 00:16:45.213 --> 00:16:45.423 Yeah, 00:16:45.543 --> 00:16:49.083 Diane: he is got a, a demanding personality, obviously. 00:16:49.083 --> 00:16:54.603 Um, she probably should do a stress release process with him and make 00:16:54.603 --> 00:16:56.463 sure that he's getting enough rest. 00:16:57.123 --> 00:17:02.223 Um, it sounds like he's getting over aroused at a lot of different things. 00:17:02.913 --> 00:17:09.003 And so, and she needs to calm down and dial back a little bit, um, and 00:17:09.003 --> 00:17:13.653 not res, not respond to those things that he's really doing because we 00:17:13.653 --> 00:17:15.813 want to, we want to respond to that. 00:17:16.233 --> 00:17:17.738 I walk away and 00:17:19.773 --> 00:17:24.243 then when he stops Stew, what he is doing, I say, good boy, and then I 00:17:24.243 --> 00:17:30.033 can reward what else I want him to do, and then we can practice that because 00:17:30.033 --> 00:17:32.103 I want him to be in a frame of mind. 00:17:33.108 --> 00:17:40.158 That makes the retention of what I'm teaching stick otherwise it. 00:17:40.608 --> 00:17:45.678 So, um, yeah, and that's a whole, that's a whole pro, a whole process. 00:17:45.678 --> 00:17:49.248 So a systematic process that she should be going through, she. 00:17:50.028 --> 00:17:53.958 She has to know where to start and what to do next, and what to do 00:17:53.958 --> 00:17:55.878 next, and what to do next, you know? 00:17:55.883 --> 00:17:56.103 Anke: Mm-hmm. 00:17:56.838 --> 00:18:02.178 And I can see how the, how the walk is actually the hardest piece because 00:18:02.178 --> 00:18:07.368 you know, when, you know in the house, you know, like you can go and, and 00:18:07.458 --> 00:18:10.638 like my big girl here, little Mrs. 00:18:11.238 --> 00:18:16.938 Polar bear, Spanish Ma when she was sort of adolescent, she got her 00:18:16.938 --> 00:18:20.383 moments when she would, you know, and so when I do like, I don't know, 00:18:20.463 --> 00:18:21.918 I just kind of walk away and yeah. 00:18:22.758 --> 00:18:24.618 And then she'd go like, alright then. 00:18:25.608 --> 00:18:26.688 And it was quite easy. 00:18:26.688 --> 00:18:29.808 But, but if you are outside, right? 00:18:29.808 --> 00:18:33.558 If she's kind of, if she was, and she's always been good outside, but 00:18:33.558 --> 00:18:36.588 like I'm imagining if she was to go. 00:18:37.833 --> 00:18:42.273 For like to kind of go up and jump up on other people, it's like, 00:18:42.273 --> 00:18:43.923 yeah, I can't just walk away. 00:18:44.673 --> 00:18:44.913 Right. 00:18:44.913 --> 00:18:47.643 I have, you know, like I have to do something. 00:18:47.643 --> 00:18:52.023 So it's almost like I have to make sure I don't put her in that situation exactly 00:18:52.443 --> 00:18:57.183 where I have to then like literally like, you know, drag her, drag her 00:18:57.183 --> 00:18:59.583 away, or have to give her the attention. 00:18:59.583 --> 00:19:00.753 I don't really wanna give her there. 00:19:00.753 --> 00:19:00.963 There's a 00:19:01.233 --> 00:19:03.513 Diane: lot more that has to happen before that. 00:19:03.513 --> 00:19:05.913 And I was referring to in the house. 00:19:06.063 --> 00:19:06.393 Mm-hmm. 00:19:06.393 --> 00:19:06.603 Diane: Only. 00:19:06.978 --> 00:19:09.768 Don't walk away from big problems. 00:19:10.158 --> 00:19:15.528 Um, you are just running damage control when an arou arousal like that occurs. 00:19:15.768 --> 00:19:22.248 So you have to know where to be in the process to avoid arousal. 00:19:24.108 --> 00:19:24.918 You see what I mean? 00:19:24.918 --> 00:19:25.038 Yeah. 00:19:25.038 --> 00:19:28.848 You have to stay on the other side of arousal so that you get the normal 00:19:28.848 --> 00:19:31.188 stress spikes that come right back down. 00:19:31.188 --> 00:19:32.508 It's okay to be stressed. 00:19:32.508 --> 00:19:33.468 It's normal. 00:19:34.158 --> 00:19:37.638 But they need, the spikes need to come back down and the dog 00:19:37.638 --> 00:19:39.198 has to feel more comfortable. 00:19:39.888 --> 00:19:44.868 Um, so some dogs are just over aroused, just thinking about going for a walk. 00:19:44.928 --> 00:19:49.068 So you would just walk from your door to the end of your property and back and 00:19:49.068 --> 00:19:51.528 forth 20 times, and that is your walk. 00:19:51.978 --> 00:19:54.918 And if he can handle it, then you can add another point. 00:19:55.698 --> 00:19:59.328 Then you can walk back and forth and then you add another point and so 00:19:59.328 --> 00:20:03.678 on until you're up to two mile walk with no arousal and no frustration. 00:20:04.398 --> 00:20:09.408 Um, this dog that you're talking about really does need a stress release program. 00:20:09.408 --> 00:20:18.498 And so in my book there is a systematic pathway and it teaches the dog to. 00:20:19.668 --> 00:20:24.168 Be on the prop, we'd get him on the proper nutrition and you're checking for 00:20:24.168 --> 00:20:28.218 health issues to make sure that that's not a, you know, what's causing this? 00:20:28.218 --> 00:20:29.268 Is he in pain? 00:20:29.568 --> 00:20:33.138 A lot of dogs who are over arousing, they're in pain. 00:20:33.648 --> 00:20:33.738 Mm-hmm. 00:20:34.428 --> 00:20:38.628 Diane: Um, and so why is he grabbing the leash to keep going 00:20:38.628 --> 00:20:41.958 on the walk or just to keep moving? 00:20:42.288 --> 00:20:44.538 Or is he feeling some pain? 00:20:45.408 --> 00:20:49.188 But beyond that, then you want to address sensory. 00:20:50.898 --> 00:20:56.958 Using a dog's senses at home and toy plate because there's a lot of different things 00:20:56.958 --> 00:21:02.058 you can do to exercise that dog without actually taking this walk until he's 00:21:02.058 --> 00:21:10.098 ready, until you can manage his arousal points or not even see them at all because 00:21:10.098 --> 00:21:12.018 they will diminish and then go away. 00:21:12.978 --> 00:21:13.428 Um. 00:21:13.923 --> 00:21:15.603 He has to learn to relax. 00:21:15.723 --> 00:21:16.893 That's very important. 00:21:16.893 --> 00:21:20.853 A lot of people don't understand that their dogs need to relax. 00:21:21.033 --> 00:21:23.433 They need to sleep deeply and deep. 00:21:23.433 --> 00:21:32.103 REM during the day, uh, depending on the dog's age, 1 1 2 times for adult dogs and 00:21:32.103 --> 00:21:35.523 up to four times for puppies and seniors. 00:21:36.333 --> 00:21:36.903 Um, so. 00:21:37.863 --> 00:21:40.233 So it varies and they need their rest. 00:21:40.953 --> 00:21:47.283 Um, and then the physical stimulation can be something like, um, Sarah Fisher's ace, 00:21:48.063 --> 00:21:53.943 you know, um, or Mari's movement puzzles. 00:21:54.003 --> 00:21:58.173 And there's so many things out there that you can do with your dog that 00:21:58.173 --> 00:22:05.823 doesn't require, uh, over arousal, but it actually brings the arousal down. 00:22:06.543 --> 00:22:10.443 They still are getting satisfied for the physical movement, 00:22:10.593 --> 00:22:12.873 using their senses, all of it. 00:22:13.323 --> 00:22:18.033 And one thing that we fail at is teaching our dogs problem solving. 00:22:20.493 --> 00:22:24.243 That's very rare that I'll, I'll, I'll say, what do you do to 00:22:25.833 --> 00:22:27.663 teach your dog to problem solve? 00:22:28.113 --> 00:22:32.253 Nobody is, you know, eyes roll back in the head and nobody knows what's going on. 00:22:33.348 --> 00:22:34.518 What is she's talking about? 00:22:34.518 --> 00:22:36.048 So where would somebody start? 00:22:36.408 --> 00:22:38.898 Yeah, lemme think, what do I do? 00:22:40.608 --> 00:22:46.098 So that is something like the games in, in, in, that I discussed in my book, like, 00:22:46.158 --> 00:22:49.698 um, the colored eggs and picking Yellow. 00:22:51.168 --> 00:22:52.458 That's where the food will be. 00:22:52.458 --> 00:22:57.408 Or clicking when the dog touches their nose to yellow and then giving the treat 00:22:57.738 --> 00:22:59.988 that becomes more complicated, right? 00:23:00.438 --> 00:23:01.848 So they have to solve the problem. 00:23:01.848 --> 00:23:05.448 So if you have six eggs of different colors, they should always be going to the 00:23:05.448 --> 00:23:15.048 yellow, or they should pick the smaller size, or they should find a, uh, that a 00:23:15.048 --> 00:23:17.778 connection exercise where a treat is on. 00:23:18.588 --> 00:23:24.408 A cloth and they have to connect and underneath like a laundry basket, 00:23:24.408 --> 00:23:29.388 let's say, and they have to connect that the treat is on the cloth and 00:23:29.388 --> 00:23:31.188 they have to pull the cloth out. 00:23:32.898 --> 00:23:37.728 That can be difficult for some dogs and very difficult if the dog hasn't 00:23:37.728 --> 00:23:39.828 been used to problem solving at all. 00:23:40.398 --> 00:23:46.908 Um, in my classes for coming when called, we put up a maze and the person goes 00:23:46.908 --> 00:23:51.498 out of sight and calls their dog, and the dog has to figure out how to get 00:23:51.498 --> 00:23:54.108 to the person that's problem solving. 00:23:54.558 --> 00:23:55.218 These 00:23:55.218 --> 00:23:57.168 Diane: dogs are being mentally tired. 00:23:58.023 --> 00:24:03.753 It's not just the physical fitness and the physically tiring, there's mental tiring 00:24:03.783 --> 00:24:08.583 as well, and it's very good exercise. 00:24:08.583 --> 00:24:13.953 Even for performance dogs, the performance dogs are getting that mental stimulation, 00:24:14.523 --> 00:24:16.683 uh, so that they mentally tire. 00:24:17.523 --> 00:24:20.943 But they're also getting the physical stimulation that comes along with that. 00:24:20.943 --> 00:24:26.103 And they have a job, they have a purpose, and that's really important, I think. 00:24:26.343 --> 00:24:27.273 Anke: Mm, yeah. 00:24:27.273 --> 00:24:27.753 I love that. 00:24:27.753 --> 00:24:28.233 I love that. 00:24:28.473 --> 00:24:30.573 And it's actually really interesting because I never 00:24:30.573 --> 00:24:35.578 realized how how much sniffing and things like that tires them out. 00:24:36.358 --> 00:24:37.138 Diane: So, oh my God. 00:24:37.518 --> 00:24:39.138 Now my temper does nose work. 00:24:40.008 --> 00:24:45.558 And, um, if we're not going on a walk that day, I'll do like several exercises 00:24:45.558 --> 00:24:48.438 of nose work and he is tired for the day. 00:24:48.438 --> 00:24:51.798 Or if, you know, um, that's so important. 00:24:51.798 --> 00:24:52.998 Using all of the senses. 00:24:52.998 --> 00:24:57.948 That's what our dogs really need to do because that's how they live, 00:24:57.948 --> 00:24:59.598 that's how they work with life. 00:24:59.598 --> 00:25:01.218 That's who they are. 00:25:02.148 --> 00:25:04.128 And we try to make them who we are. 00:25:05.118 --> 00:25:05.538 Anke: Yeah. 00:25:05.658 --> 00:25:05.958 Yeah. 00:25:06.558 --> 00:25:09.108 I like, it's, it's really interesting 'cause I've got these, these two 00:25:09.108 --> 00:25:14.148 big girls now, and I started to attach like another long, like I've 00:25:14.148 --> 00:25:15.618 got this really long leash now. 00:25:15.858 --> 00:25:20.718 So they have a lot of, and I'm just like the, the leash juggler kind of thing 00:25:21.048 --> 00:25:23.178 to make sure it doesn't tangle Right. 00:25:23.418 --> 00:25:29.058 But it's really funny because they both now have a lot of roaming space. 00:25:29.478 --> 00:25:29.808 Yeah. 00:25:30.243 --> 00:25:31.473 It's hilarious. 00:25:31.473 --> 00:25:34.983 Like we don't actually go further than we used to before. 00:25:35.043 --> 00:25:35.133 Mm-hmm. 00:25:35.353 --> 00:25:38.403 So it's kind of, you know, we have a bunch of different walks and, but 00:25:38.403 --> 00:25:42.903 like with that really long leash, they both get more time to sniff where 00:25:42.903 --> 00:25:45.003 they wanna sniff until they are done. 00:25:45.573 --> 00:25:45.753 Yes. 00:25:45.753 --> 00:25:45.933 'cause 00:25:45.933 --> 00:25:48.993 Anke: if you have a shorter leash, somebody's always ready to move 00:25:48.993 --> 00:25:50.613 on and they have to just move on. 00:25:50.613 --> 00:25:50.973 Right. 00:25:51.183 --> 00:25:53.733 So now with that really long leash, it's like they can just. 00:25:53.763 --> 00:25:58.023 Stay back at SNF and they will always pick up by themselves 00:25:58.023 --> 00:25:59.523 before the end of the leash. 00:25:59.553 --> 00:26:03.903 So they really both get more time to, and it's hilarious. 00:26:03.903 --> 00:26:05.403 I really notice the difference. 00:26:05.403 --> 00:26:07.503 I come home and they're wiped out. 00:26:08.133 --> 00:26:08.463 Yeah. 00:26:09.078 --> 00:26:11.208 Like so much more than they used to. 00:26:11.538 --> 00:26:13.098 It's really, really powerful. 00:26:13.608 --> 00:26:14.598 Diane: Yeah, it, it is. 00:26:14.598 --> 00:26:15.798 And I do the same thing. 00:26:16.068 --> 00:26:19.158 I'm, and I get very good at juggling the long leash. 00:26:19.398 --> 00:26:23.298 A lot of people aren't good at that, and so they think the flexi leash is 00:26:23.298 --> 00:26:25.728 the, you know, the solution to that. 00:26:26.298 --> 00:26:28.398 But I like to see my dogs run out. 00:26:28.428 --> 00:26:32.028 The only thing you might get tangled up, you know, around a tree or something, 00:26:32.028 --> 00:26:34.218 but then you just maneuver that. 00:26:34.218 --> 00:26:38.238 And um, and like you said, the dog always knows. 00:26:39.018 --> 00:26:44.778 Keeps walking with you because they know, um, that they have freedom. 00:26:45.258 --> 00:26:45.558 Anke: Yeah. 00:26:46.063 --> 00:26:48.078 Diane: I, I love, it's so much enjoyable for all of us. 00:26:48.078 --> 00:26:48.378 Like, 00:26:49.398 --> 00:26:49.548 Anke: yeah. 00:26:50.088 --> 00:26:53.808 Diane: If they can't be off leashing somewhere, then at least we can do a 00:26:53.808 --> 00:26:59.268 long line and then we can influence their behavior through the long line as well. 00:26:59.478 --> 00:26:59.538 If. 00:26:59.973 --> 00:27:04.233 If your dog is reactive and another dog or person shows up or something 00:27:04.233 --> 00:27:09.033 shows up in the environment, but they should be able to do that unhindered. 00:27:10.413 --> 00:27:15.273 Um, if they don't like other dogs, they still need to use their senses. 00:27:16.023 --> 00:27:19.443 They don't have to be with other dogs constantly, right? 00:27:19.743 --> 00:27:19.923 Yeah. 00:27:19.983 --> 00:27:26.223 Um, but they sh they should be having that mental stimulation 00:27:26.373 --> 00:27:28.593 that they need and require. 00:27:28.983 --> 00:27:29.913 For wellbeing. 00:27:29.973 --> 00:27:31.683 Just for, for being a dog. 00:27:32.193 --> 00:27:32.523 Anke: Yeah. 00:27:32.733 --> 00:27:32.973 Yeah. 00:27:33.333 --> 00:27:36.783 So I would love you to, to just kind of like, can you just put your book up 00:27:36.783 --> 00:27:40.743 again, you know, so people get, will obviously put the link to the book in 00:27:40.743 --> 00:27:42.963 the, in the show notes and below here. 00:27:43.173 --> 00:27:43.593 So 00:27:43.923 --> 00:27:44.583 Diane: behind me. 00:27:44.583 --> 00:27:44.973 Yeah. 00:27:45.213 --> 00:27:51.063 But um, yeah, this is the book and it goes through all of the stages actually 00:27:51.063 --> 00:27:54.513 the, um, diagram that I just showed you. 00:27:54.543 --> 00:27:54.963 Um. 00:27:56.163 --> 00:27:57.933 Is really what the book's all about. 00:27:57.933 --> 00:28:02.583 It's the first systematic process to release stress in dogs. 00:28:02.583 --> 00:28:02.643 Hmm. 00:28:03.243 --> 00:28:09.363 And it took me a long time to develop it where it, it works 00:28:09.363 --> 00:28:13.443 over a three day period, and then the rest of the book tells why. 00:28:14.313 --> 00:28:14.763 Okay. 00:28:14.763 --> 00:28:17.179 Tell tells why it works and how it worked. 00:28:17.184 --> 00:28:17.703 Wow. 00:28:17.778 --> 00:28:22.248 Yeah, that's quick examples, you know. 00:28:22.248 --> 00:28:28.968 But if you follow that particular circular pathway, um, in the order 00:28:28.968 --> 00:28:34.368 that it's written, and it works like a charm because a dog is getting that 00:28:34.368 --> 00:28:38.628 sleep, they're getting sensory, they're playing with their toys, they're 00:28:38.628 --> 00:28:43.068 getting the physical stimulation and exercise and problem solving that 00:28:43.068 --> 00:28:46.578 they need, um, as well as nutrition. 00:28:48.363 --> 00:28:54.483 Health benefits, um, and um, it teaches the person to check waste, 00:28:54.483 --> 00:28:57.393 for example, or even pH urine. 00:28:57.843 --> 00:29:02.043 Um, simple things that we can do to make sure that our dogs are in 00:29:02.043 --> 00:29:05.793 good physical health and that is an interfering with their behavior. 00:29:06.813 --> 00:29:08.463 Anke: Yeah, that makes, that makes so much sense. 00:29:08.463 --> 00:29:09.813 So we'll definitely pop the link. 00:29:09.993 --> 00:29:12.033 I'm sort of, now you know where my mind's going. 00:29:12.033 --> 00:29:12.693 I'm just like. 00:29:12.813 --> 00:29:18.268 I, I, I bet it's probably not that different from what we do to, to 00:29:18.273 --> 00:29:19.143 Diane: release stress. 00:29:19.143 --> 00:29:19.593 Right? 00:29:20.168 --> 00:29:22.113 It, it is very similar. 00:29:22.413 --> 00:29:27.963 Similar, we can do, uh, more things than dogs can, and the difference is 00:29:27.963 --> 00:29:31.293 that we can implement it for ourselves. 00:29:31.533 --> 00:29:33.843 The dogs don't know how to implement it. 00:29:34.383 --> 00:29:38.133 They're just responding in the moment or what they were taught 00:29:38.133 --> 00:29:39.753 and what they, what they know. 00:29:40.803 --> 00:29:41.133 Anke: Yeah. 00:29:41.433 --> 00:29:42.183 That makes sense. 00:29:42.543 --> 00:29:46.683 Diane: Yeah, but, but the, but it can be very similar for people. 00:29:46.683 --> 00:29:49.923 We do yoga, we relax, take a nap. 00:29:49.923 --> 00:29:50.763 We, you know. 00:29:51.558 --> 00:29:53.988 We run, we jog, we, yeah. 00:29:54.408 --> 00:29:59.508 We need things too, and we need to read books and work and yeah. 00:29:59.838 --> 00:30:01.818 All of that to release stress. 00:30:01.848 --> 00:30:02.118 Yeah. 00:30:02.178 --> 00:30:02.508 Anke: Yeah. 00:30:02.508 --> 00:30:05.208 It's funny because when you think about like, yeah, we both get stressed 00:30:05.208 --> 00:30:09.228 and there's so many things we, we are so similar in so many ways, right? 00:30:09.798 --> 00:30:09.888 Diane: Mm-hmm. 00:30:10.128 --> 00:30:10.578 Yes. 00:30:11.178 --> 00:30:14.328 We are very much, I mean, we breathe, we. 00:30:14.823 --> 00:30:18.063 Feel things, you, uh, feel touch and 00:30:18.068 --> 00:30:18.418 mm-hmm. 00:30:18.513 --> 00:30:18.663 You 00:30:18.663 --> 00:30:20.853 Diane: know, all of the senses are activated. 00:30:21.273 --> 00:30:25.533 Um, there are certain things that are different, like the digestive, um, the 00:30:25.533 --> 00:30:29.913 intestines are, are shorter than ours and, you know, so on and so forth. 00:30:30.123 --> 00:30:31.023 They don't have a good. 00:30:31.678 --> 00:30:33.328 Frontal lobe as we do. 00:30:33.328 --> 00:30:37.978 So that's why they're not planning for retirement and sitting the table and 00:30:37.978 --> 00:30:40.348 paying mortgage and things like that. 00:30:40.738 --> 00:30:43.288 But they have their own little world, don't they? 00:30:43.288 --> 00:30:43.648 Yeah. 00:30:43.648 --> 00:30:47.698 And we have to understand that because we don't always listen to our dogs. 00:30:47.968 --> 00:30:48.118 Hmm. 00:30:49.258 --> 00:30:49.738 Body 00:30:49.983 --> 00:30:54.748 Diane: language is so important and they talk with their eyes and their 00:30:54.748 --> 00:31:01.018 nose and their barks and they can. 00:31:01.593 --> 00:31:05.823 Think your thoughts before you think that, or while you're thinking them. 00:31:05.943 --> 00:31:11.853 At least my Shepherd and my Belgian and my Aussie, can they kind of know me too well. 00:31:12.483 --> 00:31:13.563 Anke: Yeah, no, totally. 00:31:13.563 --> 00:31:14.133 Same here. 00:31:14.133 --> 00:31:14.733 Same here. 00:31:14.733 --> 00:31:18.363 It's like I've made experiments out of this, you know? 00:31:18.633 --> 00:31:21.513 Especially this one, like he passed last April. 00:31:21.513 --> 00:31:24.063 Like he was extreme, you know, Mr. 00:31:24.063 --> 00:31:27.003 Sensitive was so extreme, he would. 00:31:28.263 --> 00:31:32.913 First of all, like he would always know when I come home, like, well 00:31:32.913 --> 00:31:37.263 before it would be reasonable to think that he could hear it, you know? 00:31:37.263 --> 00:31:37.323 Yeah. 00:31:37.413 --> 00:31:38.493 So like that. 00:31:38.493 --> 00:31:42.483 And sometimes, like I'd be sitting there and thinking, okay, I'm gonna, 00:31:42.483 --> 00:31:45.183 you know, do this, and then I'm going out for a walk and he'd be 00:31:45.183 --> 00:31:46.323 like, what, what, what we going for? 00:31:46.923 --> 00:31:47.433 And it was like. 00:31:47.838 --> 00:31:50.148 I know for sure I've not moved, right? 00:31:50.148 --> 00:31:55.548 Because if I grab my, the bag or if I put the shoes on or what, you know, some sign, 00:31:55.548 --> 00:31:57.108 then you'd be like, yeah, that's obvious. 00:31:57.108 --> 00:32:01.998 But literally I would make a point of not moving and it's like. 00:32:02.433 --> 00:32:07.353 He knew like the moment I thought the thought or sometimes just before he knew, 00:32:07.923 --> 00:32:09.633 and the other two kind of know it as well. 00:32:09.633 --> 00:32:11.193 But like he was quite extreme. 00:32:11.643 --> 00:32:12.423 Diane: He still knew. 00:32:12.423 --> 00:32:17.763 He is very, he is, they're very intuitive, um, in that way and that's why it scares 00:32:17.763 --> 00:32:20.793 me that people use, uh, pain to train. 00:32:21.273 --> 00:32:25.653 Because you don't know what you're dealing with internally. 00:32:25.893 --> 00:32:30.663 Uh, a dog is not coping properly and you're just adding more pain to pain. 00:32:30.663 --> 00:32:32.253 That makes no sense, you know? 00:32:32.823 --> 00:32:38.373 Um, so really being, listening to the dog, what they need, having a system in 00:32:38.373 --> 00:32:40.233 place so that you know what you're doing. 00:32:40.623 --> 00:32:43.563 Um, when I'm training clients, I always have a system in 00:32:43.563 --> 00:32:45.063 place that they must follow. 00:32:45.693 --> 00:32:50.583 Um, and, and then they will, they get to where they're going quite quickly. 00:32:52.038 --> 00:32:57.138 If they start with stress release, I don't have as many lessons to do with them 00:32:57.138 --> 00:32:59.628 because the dog is in a learning state. 00:33:00.408 --> 00:33:04.788 I used to do 15 sessions before the development of the stress release 00:33:04.788 --> 00:33:09.648 program, but now if I do a stress release program, you're talking three 00:33:09.768 --> 00:33:13.158 to six, maybe it cuts it in half. 00:33:13.818 --> 00:33:18.858 Um, for behavioral problems and, and then it's just maintenance 00:33:18.858 --> 00:33:20.448 and management, right? 00:33:21.228 --> 00:33:27.438 And being intuitive to the three Ds, which are distance, duration, and distractions. 00:33:28.068 --> 00:33:31.728 Um, which we always, we always should be anyway. 00:33:31.848 --> 00:33:36.798 Even with my, my normal dogs, I am always. 00:33:37.203 --> 00:33:40.533 Paying attention to those things because there might be things 00:33:40.533 --> 00:33:42.453 that they're not comfortable with. 00:33:42.513 --> 00:33:43.233 Also. 00:33:43.653 --> 00:33:47.823 I can't assume that they're perfect 'cause there's no perfect dog. 00:33:48.813 --> 00:33:51.843 Just like there's no perfect person except you. 00:33:55.808 --> 00:33:56.868 Anke: You not me on a lead, 00:34:00.648 --> 00:34:01.028 Diane: you know? 00:34:02.973 --> 00:34:05.523 Anke: But it's, I mean, I think it's that listening, I mean. 00:34:06.183 --> 00:34:09.783 The starting point is even like slowing down and paying attention 00:34:09.783 --> 00:34:11.223 to the dog in front of you, right? 00:34:11.223 --> 00:34:14.463 I think it's so often it's like, oh, the dog needs to do this and sits and 00:34:14.463 --> 00:34:19.023 plugs and, and, um, you know, and, and that's, that's all there is to it. 00:34:19.023 --> 00:34:22.593 And nobody asks, like, if the dog's barking, if the dog's 00:34:22.593 --> 00:34:24.663 anxious, like, what's going on? 00:34:24.753 --> 00:34:25.173 You know, 00:34:25.533 --> 00:34:28.023 Diane: people are so obsessed with making the dog do what they 00:34:28.023 --> 00:34:34.053 want them to do, that they, they sacrifice learning who that dog is. 00:34:35.163 --> 00:34:39.183 We do it with people too, you know, um, you're trying to think 00:34:39.183 --> 00:34:42.243 of your next sentence before the person has even stopped. 00:34:42.243 --> 00:34:43.203 Stopped talking. 00:34:43.923 --> 00:34:44.283 Yeah. 00:34:44.643 --> 00:34:47.763 Diane: And, and you're not paying attention to the person and really 00:34:47.763 --> 00:34:50.403 what they're trying to relate to you. 00:34:51.243 --> 00:34:56.133 Um, and that's so very important when you're dealing with people as well. 00:34:56.673 --> 00:34:57.363 For sure. 00:34:57.483 --> 00:35:01.623 Anke: I always say our dogs are our wisest teacher, so like, you know, anything we 00:35:01.623 --> 00:35:05.569 learn there, we can take anywhere else in life and it'll be, it'll be valuable. 00:35:05.574 --> 00:35:05.583 Right. 00:35:06.918 --> 00:35:07.518 Diane: For sure. 00:35:07.578 --> 00:35:08.028 Anke: Yeah. 00:35:08.358 --> 00:35:09.108 Diane: Lots of science. 00:35:09.108 --> 00:35:09.258 So where 00:35:09.283 --> 00:35:10.763 Anke: can, yeah, for sure. 00:35:10.793 --> 00:35:11.083 Yeah. 00:35:11.478 --> 00:35:15.198 So where can people go find out, get, I mean get the book, find 00:35:15.198 --> 00:35:18.978 out more about you, work with you, where's the best place to find you? 00:35:19.548 --> 00:35:23.058 Diane: Um, the book is available and most places where books. 00:35:23.573 --> 00:35:28.913 Can be found like Amazon and, and I like to send people to book baby.com 00:35:29.333 --> 00:35:30.803 and to the bookstore. 00:35:31.283 --> 00:35:34.433 And then all they have to do is look up the title or put my name 00:35:34.433 --> 00:35:38.093 in and, um, buy from there, there. 00:35:38.663 --> 00:35:44.843 Uh, and often I'm having coupons for reduction in pricing, uh, at times. 00:35:44.843 --> 00:35:45.263 So. 00:35:45.518 --> 00:35:47.978 For them to watch for that type of thing. 00:35:48.638 --> 00:35:54.158 Um, and then you can contact me and, and I'm very open to answering questions, 00:35:54.218 --> 00:36:01.718 um, all the time at info@k9tlc.com. 00:36:03.123 --> 00:36:09.943 And or, uh, my regular email is my last name, garrett@Whidbey.com. 00:36:09.963 --> 00:36:12.753 W-H-I-D-B-E y.com. 00:36:13.503 --> 00:36:15.003 Um, either way. 00:36:15.153 --> 00:36:22.923 And then I have, uh, a Facebook business page, which is facebook.com/c 00:36:22.923 --> 00:36:24.633 TL C3, 00:36:26.973 --> 00:36:27.483 and. 00:36:27.918 --> 00:36:28.968 A lot of followers. 00:36:28.968 --> 00:36:31.218 A lot, lot, lot going on in there. 00:36:31.218 --> 00:36:37.278 And then I, if you would like to join the Canine Trans, um, canine, uh, stress 00:36:37.278 --> 00:36:41.808 release, uh, de the detox, uh, program. 00:36:41.898 --> 00:36:44.178 I have a group for that as well. 00:36:44.208 --> 00:36:48.948 It's just called the Canine Emotional Detox, so you can join that on Facebook. 00:36:49.518 --> 00:36:55.008 I have force free trainers, um, dealing with aggression. 00:36:55.893 --> 00:36:57.903 Uh, that's on Facebook as well. 00:36:58.233 --> 00:36:59.553 And, um, 00:37:02.103 --> 00:37:05.763 my website, oh, I just, and my website. 00:37:05.943 --> 00:37:11.193 So there's a contact form in my website and that is kine tlc.com. 00:37:11.913 --> 00:37:12.393 Anke: Awesome. 00:37:12.393 --> 00:37:12.723 Awesome. 00:37:12.723 --> 00:37:13.803 Well thank you so much. 00:37:14.073 --> 00:37:18.543 Easy to find you and I highly recommend get the book and get check her out. 00:37:19.323 --> 00:37:20.703 Thank you so much for coming. 00:37:20.703 --> 00:37:21.633 I think you are right. 00:37:21.873 --> 00:37:26.343 We could talk dogs all day long and we'll, we'll find another 00:37:26.343 --> 00:37:27.903 opportunity to talk more. 00:37:28.533 --> 00:37:29.013 Diane: Okay. 00:37:29.013 --> 00:37:32.538 And I just wanna mention one thing if I can before we Absolutely. 00:37:33.558 --> 00:37:38.178 I'm doing a second edition of the book, which will be, uh, more in depth and 00:37:38.178 --> 00:37:40.998 cover all of those pieces more thoroughly. 00:37:41.958 --> 00:37:49.158 And also my resource guarding, um, 60 days from guarding to sharing 00:37:49.458 --> 00:37:53.328 will is done and will be out hopefully by the end of the year. 00:37:54.168 --> 00:37:56.958 So, um, lots of things to look forward 00:37:56.958 --> 00:37:57.168 Anke: to. 00:37:57.173 --> 00:37:57.888 Awesome, awesome. 00:37:57.888 --> 00:37:59.628 We're gonna have to have you back for that. 00:37:59.628 --> 00:38:00.258 So, for, so. 00:38:02.238 --> 00:38:02.718 Awesome. 00:38:03.048 --> 00:38:04.008 Thank you so much. 00:38:04.518 --> 00:38:04.938 Okay. 00:38:04.938 --> 00:38:05.658 Thank you. 00:38:05.658 --> 00:38:05.718 I. 00:38:07.408 --> 00:38:08.638 Thanks so much for listening. 00:38:09.158 --> 00:38:13.458 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:38:13.558 --> 00:38:15.338 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:38:16.128 --> 00:38:19.618 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:38:20.048 --> 00:38:25.618 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:38:25.718 --> 00:38:28.088 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:38:28.088 --> 00:38:31.818 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:38:32.238 --> 00:38:33.378 I'd love an introduction. 00:38:33.858 --> 00:38:35.688 Email me at Anke. 00:38:35.958 --> 00:38:40.193 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.