1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Welcome to the We Are More podcast. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,600 My name is Alyssa. 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,600 And my name's Bri. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,600 We're two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism. 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,520 We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,520 word. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,720 And apparently that's controversial. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,720 Get comfy. 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:43,880 The other day, you have to say hi first. 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,640 Oh, hello. 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,640 Your toes are on my headphones. 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:49,640 Nasty. 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:50,640 Hello. 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:51,640 Hello. 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,640 Welcome to episode. 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,240 Actually, I think it's 26. 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,240 A good year. 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,240 26? 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,240 A tolerable age. 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,280 Actually, I take that back. 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,560 That's the year you get taken off of your parents' insurance. 22 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,440 That's a tough time. 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:09,760 It's not fun. 24 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:15,720 No, before you hit that point, it's like, all right, well, I can still have a little 25 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,440 kiddish job kind of and whatever. 26 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:24,160 And then you hit 26 and you have to start figuring out whether or not to even bother 27 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,880 being insured. 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,120 It's like, how much of my life do I want to put in my own hands? 29 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:34,280 Once you hit 26, you have to fight for your right to have medical care. 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,160 For those of you not in the United States. 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,680 It must be nice. 32 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:42,680 It really is. 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:49,000 It's crazy because all of a sudden you have to find a grownup job that offers insurance. 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,840 But even then, the insurance that gets offered usually sucks. 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:57,320 Or if you're me, just abuse your boss into paying for it. 36 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,280 I mean, most full-time people get offered insurance. 37 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,280 So I think that's fair. 38 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Yeah, but sometimes you have to threaten to quit. 39 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,800 Feels reasonable to me. 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,920 Yeah. 41 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:11,720 Welcome to episode 26. 42 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,640 You started this by saying the other day and then I interrupted you and said you had to 43 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:17,640 say hi. 44 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:21,960 That was completely not even any kind of topic. 45 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:27,080 But the other day, this girl at work came up to me and she was standing in front of 46 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,800 me and she's like, I just feel like I need one of those. 47 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,800 And she like lifted her hands up to her face and I knew exactly what she was going to say 48 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,480 before she said it. 49 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:42,040 And if you've seen High School Musical where that sister and brother, they go, yeah, I 50 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,480 knew she was going to do that. 51 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,520 And it's funny because who talks about High School Musical? 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,680 I don't know, that's wildly obscure. 53 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:50,680 So brrr brrr, ma! 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,080 To all of you. 55 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,080 And welcome. 56 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,080 And welcome. 57 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,280 To this part four of our Bathsheba series. 58 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,880 Yeah, I don't know how much Bathsheba we're going to talk about today. 59 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,600 We're going to kind of wrap up her story, but we're also going to go off and do some 60 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:07,600 other stuff. 61 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:08,600 Yeah. 62 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,360 Because we've talked about her story quite a lot and I think that's been really good. 63 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,040 But I think now we need to kind of transition into what does it mean for us? 64 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,040 What does it mean for women? 65 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,040 Yeah. 66 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,660 Where do we go from here? 67 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:27,720 And just talking about the importance of talking about women in the Bible and other important 68 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,240 women throughout history too. 69 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,880 Just know that their story needs to be told. 70 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:40,320 As much as we've heard about David and Joseph and all of the other biblical man names. 71 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,320 Matthew Mark Luke, John. 72 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,400 And then Marie went to Bible college. 73 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,240 Ah, did. 74 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:53,920 I think I've probably said this before, but when we heard a sermon probably about a year 75 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,160 ago at this point, maybe even longer, and they were talking about women like a really 76 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,600 positive light, which was, you know, groundbreaking, life changing, whatever. 77 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:10,560 And just hearing, hearing she said from the stage over and over, I was in tears just because 78 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:11,600 of that. 79 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,400 And not she should submit. 80 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,400 Right. 81 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,360 But just like hearing she and her and like references. 82 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:26,280 I mean, we talk in the normal world about how important representation is, you know, 83 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:29,640 and in church it's important too. 84 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:34,960 To hear someone talked about from the stage that you can relate to. 85 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,240 For whatever reason, in this case obviously it's gender, but like in different ways that 86 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,400 you can relate to it, like that makes things more real for you. 87 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,340 It helps you relate. 88 00:04:44,340 --> 00:04:46,480 It deepens your faith. 89 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,720 And so I think that's why we need to talk about these women. 90 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,280 I think we've talked about this many times before, but like making your faith your own. 91 00:04:55,280 --> 00:05:02,640 It's really hard to really truly understand these stories and these people in the Bible 92 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,400 if you can't put them into like your real world context. 93 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,400 You know, you can't picture them in your head. 94 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,600 So yeah, I think I like that we're going through and seeing the women of the Bible and relating 95 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,760 them to our real world experiences too. 96 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,660 Yeah, there are so many women that people keep coming, now that we're doing a series 97 00:05:23,660 --> 00:05:27,640 like this, people keep coming up to me and being like, oh, you should do an episode on 98 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,840 this woman of the Bible. 99 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:35,920 And maybe we'll be so good at this podcasting that we'll get to every woman of the Bible 100 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,760 for every single woman ever. 101 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,900 But there's just so many and we don't realize that there's so many because they never get 102 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:43,900 talked about. 103 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:49,840 But like I've been having all kinds of conversations lately about Queen Vashti, who is part of 104 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:50,840 Esther's story. 105 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:55,240 And she's just a very small part of that story, but she's a really significant part of that 106 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,680 story. 107 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:02,000 And I would love to do an episode on her sometime at some point. 108 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:08,480 There's another Tamar, not the one that you're thinking of, another Tamar. 109 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,200 Actually a daughter of King David that I would like to talk about too. 110 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,160 Yeah, she has quite a tragic story. 111 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,600 Quite a tragic story, yeah. 112 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:24,320 But today we're talking a little bit about, Brie, what are we talking about? 113 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:30,160 Well listen, I was sitting there on my bed thinking of what the heck should we talk about 114 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,160 on this podcast? 115 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,880 We talk constantly and I'm just talked out. 116 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,360 You say that like we couldn't go and go and go. 117 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,200 We're the Energizer bunnies of talking. 118 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,200 I know. 119 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:48,600 But you know, I went back to basics and I said, where's my Beth friend Beth? 120 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:49,600 Your Beth friend Beth? 121 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,600 Where's my best friend Beth? 122 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:59,200 Beth, listen, I think I'm tongue tied. 123 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:06,960 So her book, The Making of Biblical Womanhood by Beth Alison Barr, our bestie, I have read 124 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,120 through it once and now, well I listened to it. 125 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,520 I listened to the audio version and now I'm going back through the actual physical book. 126 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:15,520 That counts. 127 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:21,760 And I like highlighting it, being able to have that physical book in front of me. 128 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,880 But I was like, let's just peruse through here. 129 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,320 What can we talk about? 130 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:37,800 So in chapter three of her book, if you'd like to follow along with me, open your books 131 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,260 to page. 132 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:47,480 She was talking about her life a little bit and she was the wife of a pastor. 133 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:55,360 And in her super conservative Christian church that her husband worked at, they didn't allow 134 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:02,760 women to even teach Sunday school because there were boys older than 13 in their Sunday 135 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:09,160 school and women can't teach boys over the age of 13 in this super conservative Christian 136 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,360 church. 137 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:15,720 So her and her husband were petitioning the church to allow her to keep in mind she's 138 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:16,720 like a professor. 139 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,600 She has her PhD. 140 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,600 Yeah, like this is what she does for a living. 141 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,600 Yes. 142 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,400 She's not like any of the pastors there. 143 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,880 She's a medieval historian, correct? 144 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:29,880 She is. 145 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,760 Yeah, she's a medieval historian and she focuses on biblical studies. 146 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,840 So the perfect person to the bare minimum teach your Sunday school. 147 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,440 I would be honored to have this woman teach my Sunday school. 148 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:47,480 Just think about how much money people pay to go listen to her lectures or to be taught 149 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,480 by her. 150 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:49,480 Tons. 151 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,120 So you could just go for free to the church. 152 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,320 She had this quote in here that said, do we really want to go down this path? 153 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,240 Because she's thinking about her comfort. 154 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:06,900 All of the people that she's grown with and loved in her church, now she's having to step 155 00:09:06,900 --> 00:09:12,560 away from that and go against the grain and say, yeah, I do believe that women have the 156 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:18,080 right to teach and preach and that might cost her her job or her husband's job or think 157 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,600 about the risks there for her. 158 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,120 The position in her church, her friends. 159 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,120 And it's like, is it really worth going down this path? 160 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,560 And that just kind of struck me. 161 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:34,040 I'm like, oh, what we're doing here is going against the grain. 162 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:39,880 Yeah, we, I don't want to say we've gotten a crazy amount of negative feedback, but we've 163 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:45,400 definitely gotten some pushback from people that we care about, from random people on 164 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,640 TikTok. 165 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:53,400 And you do have to ask the question, wouldn't it be easier to just not? 166 00:09:53,400 --> 00:10:00,080 There's a comfort level there to just kind of sit back and accept it and say, well, maybe 167 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:07,120 I am a feminist, but I don't want to speak out too loudly because it's more comfortable 168 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,960 and safe to stick with the status quo. 169 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:18,360 Well, I think one of the comments that I have heard is, well, you can believe what you believe, 170 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,520 but why can't you just be quiet about it? 171 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,560 Why can't you just believe what you believe and let everybody else believe what they believe 172 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:25,940 and that's fine. 173 00:10:25,940 --> 00:10:32,700 And my answer is always the other people aren't being quiet. 174 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:38,080 The people who believe in patriarchy, the people who believe that men should be the 175 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,920 head of the household, who believe that men should make all the decisions and be the teachers, 176 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,160 et cetera, et cetera. 177 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,640 They're not being quiet. 178 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:50,000 They're writing books, they're writing blogs, they're preaching about it and nobody tells 179 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,420 them to be quiet. 180 00:10:52,420 --> 00:10:56,200 Nobody says, hey, you can believe that, just believe it more quietly. 181 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,200 Nobody says that. 182 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,760 So why are you saying it to me? 183 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,000 Why don't I get to have a voice? 184 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,500 Why? 185 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:05,880 Because I'm a woman in a Christian circle. 186 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:16,800 And unfortunately, stereotypically, that means I should be quiet and demure and submissive. 187 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,680 So yeah, people out there, are you a closeted feminist? 188 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:24,200 Now is your time to come out. 189 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:30,120 Didn't you say, I think it was you that told me this, that you saw a TikTok and it was 190 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:35,120 like instead of asking people if they're a feminist, you should ask if they're a massage 191 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,120 ist. 192 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,120 Yeah. 193 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,400 I'm going to assume that you're already a feminist. 194 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,520 I'm going to assume that you like equality. 195 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,120 I assume that you believe men and women are equal. 196 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,160 I saw another TikTok. 197 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,960 I sent it to you. 198 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,320 Welcome to the dark side. 199 00:11:52,320 --> 00:12:00,360 And it said something about everyone is born a feminist because no one is born with hate 200 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,960 in their heart for another people group. 201 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,280 It's just like how we talk about how racism is taught to children. 202 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:07,520 It's not inherent in them. 203 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:08,920 It's taught. 204 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,920 Sexism is the same thing. 205 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:11,920 Absolutely. 206 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,800 So everyone is born a feminist and you become a massaginist. 207 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,800 And I thought that was so incredibly powerful because if you're born believing in equality, 208 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:27,760 if you're born a feminist, then that means that's how God made you in the first place. 209 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:28,760 Yeah. 210 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:35,640 God created you with a desire for equality and you chose something else. 211 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:43,920 You chose to walk on a path that if you're a man, gives you power and autonomy and makes 212 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,720 you feel a little like God. 213 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:46,800 Yeah. 214 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,360 And I just want to go up to the people believing that and say, why? 215 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:57,320 Why do you think that God would give you the right to hurt and oppress people and that's 216 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,080 what he wants. 217 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,720 He loves his people. 218 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,200 He loves the women just as much as he loves the men. 219 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:11,160 I think what I hate about that though is the idea that, and actually one of our cousins 220 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:18,680 brought this up to us quite a while ago, is that people that believe in male headship 221 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:23,000 or female submission or whatever, and if you're not familiar with these terms, they sound 222 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000 a little inappropriate. 223 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,920 I was going to be like, well, listen, shut your mouth. 224 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,080 But these are the terms they use people. 225 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,720 I didn't make them up. 226 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:40,720 But the people who believe in that kind of thing believe that the men are being loving 227 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:47,440 to the women by leading them, by guiding them in the path that God wants them to be guided 228 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:54,080 in, by taking more responsibility for their spiritual growth, I don't know. 229 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,560 And it's such a load of crap. 230 00:13:58,560 --> 00:13:59,840 Yes. 231 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,280 It's such a load of crap. 232 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:10,440 How do you get to a point where you tell yourself, it is loving for me to tell you that you can't 233 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:11,960 handle yourself? 234 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,860 Well flip the script. 235 00:14:13,860 --> 00:14:19,160 If I went up to my husband and I assumed that he could barely turn his head to breathe, 236 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:25,240 and that I had to gently guide him in the direction so that he could do whatever he 237 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:31,240 needed to do, if you think about it that way, you would think, oh, that's demeaning. 238 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,960 You shouldn't talk to your husband that way. 239 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,920 You shouldn't talk to another person that way. 240 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:40,560 Yet they're trying to do that all the time and slap God's name on it. 241 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:48,040 I don't need my partner to take more responsibility with God for me. 242 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,040 No. 243 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,040 I'm good. 244 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,040 I'm my own person. 245 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,960 I'm responsible for whatever I've done in my life, and God blankets whatever I've done 246 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,600 in my life with Jesus' love. 247 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,040 And so I'm good. 248 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,040 I'm good. 249 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,600 I don't need an intermediary of a man. 250 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:03,680 Jesus did it for me. 251 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:04,680 I'm okay. 252 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:11,640 There's a couple different types of communication, and one of them is parent to child, and the 253 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,280 other one is parent to parent. 254 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:22,080 So if I'm coming up to you as my team member and I talk down to you, that's not going to 255 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,080 make you feel good. 256 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:28,880 That's not going to make you want to rise to the occasion or do your job. 257 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,240 And that's like parent to child. 258 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,520 You want to talk to people parent to parent. 259 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,520 That's how you lead people. 260 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,880 That's how you guide people. 261 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,000 We're on the same level. 262 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,240 And I'm not going to baby talk you. 263 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,280 I'm not going to make you feel bad about it. 264 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:44,280 Here's what needs to be done. 265 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,560 There you go. 266 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:52,000 And I think that's how we should treat all relationships, including our romantic relationships. 267 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,400 But I think, and you talked a little bit about this in the research that you were doing, 268 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:57,680 just so everyone knows. 269 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:03,720 So Bree and I lived together, and it was the middle of the night. 270 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,760 In the dark of the night, I was tossing and turning. 271 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,840 And she sends me a text from down the hall and she's like, Hey, I want to talk about 272 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:12,840 the podcast. 273 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:13,840 Come over here. 274 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:14,840 I'm okay. 275 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:15,840 I'm in bed, guys. 276 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,280 Once I go to bed, you have to understand when I go to bed, I'm done. 277 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,960 I'm out for the day. 278 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,500 Not that I'm sleeping, but I'm like through with my day. 279 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:27,120 This is how much I love my sister, folks. 280 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,560 I got my butt up. 281 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,960 I came all the way down the hall. 282 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,840 All the way down the hall. 283 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:33,960 All the way. 284 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,800 And I sat there while she preached at me. 285 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,800 So prepare yourselves. 286 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,800 They feel overwhelmed. 287 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:48,480 Bekkah No, but I think you did talk about how women, 288 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,280 Christian women are supposed to be demure. 289 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,880 Bekkah Demure, mindful, cutesy. 290 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:59,280 Bekkah Because of that, that does impact the communication. 291 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:00,280 Yeah. 292 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,280 Oh yeah. 293 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,000 It's all about comfort. 294 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:10,360 Women, I think specifically, are always taught to be peacemakers. 295 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:15,720 I don't know if that's specifically taught to women and girls or if that's just subliminal 296 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,280 messaging from all around them. 297 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,920 But you always want to make the other person comfortable. 298 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,480 You never want to make a situation awkward. 299 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,000 You want to diffuse the situation. 300 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,080 And part of that, I think, is safety too. 301 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:38,640 Because if you escalate a situation, you don't know what's going to happen to you. 302 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,800 But you always think of your comfort as coming second. 303 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:42,800 Bekkah Yeah. 304 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,960 Well, I think, I mean, let's talk about that a little bit with Bathsheba's story as it 305 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,640 goes on past the story that we've talked about. 306 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:57,600 So the next portion of her story, I guess, she has Solomon as her son. 307 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,560 Now they actually, her and David actually have several children, but Solomon, I think, 308 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,240 is their oldest surviving child. 309 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:11,920 And when David is on his deathbed, he's naming the next king. 310 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,840 Now I find this really interesting because it seems like maybe he didn't really talk 311 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,800 to God about this because God had a plan and David did what David wanted to do. 312 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:26,160 But David names his oldest son as king and I don't remember his name. 313 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:34,320 But prior to this, back when the prophet Nathan came to David and talked to him about them 314 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,960 having a son, he also said, and your son will become king. 315 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:44,720 So Bathsheba and David's son Solomon was supposed to be king. 316 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:50,020 Bathsheba knew that, David knew that, but forgot it, I guess. 317 00:18:50,020 --> 00:18:56,520 But then when the time came and David is naming the next king, Bathsheba didn't say anything 318 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,600 initially, which I think is super interesting. 319 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,760 And this is totally like conjecture. 320 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:11,080 This is just me putting the way I would feel on her, so definitely could not be the case. 321 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:16,960 But if I was her, I think the reason that I didn't say anything would be to keep the 322 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,040 peace. 323 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,480 Who knows who she's going to offend if she says something? 324 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,880 Who knows what's going to happen to her? 325 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,160 And she's already been through so much tragedy. 326 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,280 And women were taught not to speak up back then. 327 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,440 You're right because you don't know what's going to happen to you. 328 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,120 You don't have any rights. 329 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:37,120 You're just a woman. 330 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:42,000 Well, and what could have happened to her son? 331 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,360 Let's say she says something and that makes the person who does become the next king really 332 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:47,860 angry. 333 00:19:47,860 --> 00:19:50,400 You don't know what's about to happen there. 334 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:55,320 So it's better to keep the peace, keep the status quo, not rock the boat. 335 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,600 Don't rock the boat, baby. 336 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:04,320 So the next part of her story is that the prophet Nathan comes back. 337 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,320 The prophet Nathan? 338 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:11,120 I say the prophet because my husband's name is Nathan and it really is throwing me off. 339 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:13,300 The prophet Brianna. 340 00:20:13,300 --> 00:20:16,040 The prophet Brianna should shut up. 341 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:23,280 No, the prophet Nathan came back to Bathsheba and was like, hey, remember what I said? 342 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,960 Remember. 343 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:33,640 And you need to go remind David of this because God said Solomon should become king. 344 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,080 And then she does. 345 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,500 And actually that's another interesting thing that I was reading is that people use that 346 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:43,800 part of the story and they'll say Bathsheba. 347 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,480 She was like some kind of out to get her own political gain. 348 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,400 She was scheming all along. 349 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,880 Like her and Nathan got together and came up with this plan to get Solomon to be king. 350 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,800 But in order to make that work, again, you've got to really jump through hoops to make that 351 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,060 story work. 352 00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:05,300 And that's just another way of making the women of the Bible look bad for no reason 353 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:06,740 at all. 354 00:21:06,740 --> 00:21:12,560 In order for that to work, you have to believe that Nathan was never a prophet of God. 355 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,080 And the Bible calls him a prophet. 356 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,440 So now the Bible is lying. 357 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,120 And you have to, like you said, jump through a lot of hoops to get there. 358 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:22,160 The Bible does not say that. 359 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:27,680 If it wanted you to understand that, it would have said Bathsheba was out to get her own 360 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:34,700 political gain and tricked King David into making her son king. 361 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:35,700 But it doesn't say that. 362 00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:42,880 That doesn't and anything else then that Nathan says later as he prophesies from God, then 363 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:51,280 you have to take this idea that he plotted with Bathsheba and assume that he's a liar 364 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,360 every other time he speaks. 365 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,640 Are you willing to do that? 366 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,640 But most people don't. 367 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,980 It's just we're going to take this one story and we're going to cherry pick it. 368 00:22:00,980 --> 00:22:06,600 And we're going to say that because we have to make someone into the villain in this story, 369 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,320 even though there doesn't need to be a villain in this story. 370 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,520 Well, just a total side note that I would love to go into at some point too. 371 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:20,360 Did you all know that Bathsheba was the one who not technically wrote but gave the message 372 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:22,760 that was the Proverbs 31 woman? 373 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:23,760 I didn't. 374 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,040 I didn't either. 375 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,680 But our mom actually brought this up to us recently. 376 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,100 Because when Solomon writes it out, he says this was a message from my mother of the type 377 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:35,480 of woman to find. 378 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:40,240 It's totally an offshoot that we want to do the Proverbs 31 woman at some point, but that's 379 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,680 a really big topic. 380 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:47,400 I'm going to have to spend a week fasting before we do that. 381 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,400 Wow. 382 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:54,560 When we did, I don't know if your churches out there do this, but there's a program called 383 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,360 Rooted. 384 00:22:56,360 --> 00:23:00,560 And our old church used to do it all the time. 385 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,480 It's kind of like an intro to small groups, I would say. 386 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:10,200 But one of the days, they have you do fasting just for like 12 hours or something. 387 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,200 It's not long. 388 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,200 It's really short. 389 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,600 It's like, just skip breakfast, lunch, you can eat dinner. 390 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,600 And I did Rooted like three separate times because we, I don't know, it was a whole thing, 391 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,520 but we did it a bunch of times. 392 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,680 Every single time we got to the fasting day, I was like, I'm going to kill people. 393 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,640 Someone needs to die. 394 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:36,640 Can I tell you that, okay, when I did Rooted, I was in a small group with a lot of divorces. 395 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,880 Yes, you've said before. 396 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,880 The people know. 397 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,120 But it was a great time. 398 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:43,120 We would get together and just drink wine. 399 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:49,280 Except for the day that was fasting, I got there, I hadn't eaten anything all day, then 400 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,720 chugged a glass of wine. 401 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,400 I was like, wow, this is amazing. 402 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,400 I love Rooted. 403 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,200 I feel so close to the Lord. 404 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,480 All right, people, now you know. 405 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,360 The secret is fasting and drinking. 406 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:08,360 Good. 407 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:09,360 I'm sorry, my family out there. 408 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,280 Don't listen to that message. 409 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,360 But circling back, circling back, keeping the comfort. 410 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:24,680 I think, and you talked about this too, to pull it around to real life with dating. 411 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,680 Yeah. 412 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,200 Ladies and gentlemen out there, dating is hard. 413 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:36,400 As a woman, you're always, again, concerned about making sure that you don't make the 414 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,440 situation uncomfortable. 415 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,240 So you'll agree to things that you're uncomfortable with. 416 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:49,200 I'm not trying to make it weird at all, but agreeing to a second date, or agreeing that, 417 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,120 oh yeah, this drink is fantastic. 418 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:57,040 I don't know, just to keep the situation comfortable. 419 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,920 I don't want to say, no, I don't want to go on a second date with you right in front 420 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,640 of that person because I'm worried about making him feel bad, even though he's been making 421 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,520 me feel bad. 422 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,840 He's not concerned about my comfort. 423 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,720 Well, we were talking about this too, and I know these are just a bunch of random real 424 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:19,760 life examples, but I think we think about things in the context of the church because 425 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,680 that's the perspective that we live in. 426 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,760 But these things happen in the broader picture too, so like dating. 427 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:33,120 And then if you guys watch, so one of the really popular YouTubers is MrBeast, right? 428 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,160 So my daughter loves his videos. 429 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,360 It's a rough time, guys. 430 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,000 But he does a lot of competition type videos. 431 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,920 That's kind of his thing now. 432 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,160 And he did one, and it was like guys versus girls, and there was a team of guys and a 433 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,400 team of girls living out in the wilderness. 434 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:56,600 And then once a week or something, they would come onto this bridge and have a challenge, 435 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,540 and whoever won the challenge got some sort of reward. 436 00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:05,240 So finally, there's just one guy and one girl left, and they meet at the bridge. 437 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,120 And he says, okay, really simple challenge today. 438 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,200 You guys each have a piece of paper and a pen in front of you. 439 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,200 I want you to write down something that you want. 440 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,080 Whatever it is, the other person gets to decide if you get it. 441 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,900 Okay, reasonable, right? 442 00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:24,880 So the girl turns hers around. 443 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,880 It's an art kit. 444 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,520 She wants an art kit because she's bored. 445 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,560 She's all alone. 446 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,240 And honestly, she had a lot of food at that point. 447 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,720 She was doing pretty good. 448 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,240 So the guy's like, okay, yeah, of course you can have an art kit. 449 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,240 Who cares? 450 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,440 That's not going to help you stay here any longer. 451 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,320 And he thinks she's stupid, right? 452 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,600 But she got what she asked for. 453 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:50,400 He asks for a personal chef for the rest of the time that he's there, expecting that she's 454 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,560 going to say yes. 455 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,840 Because why would she ever say no to him? 456 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,100 Women are taught to say yes. 457 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:06,000 Not to make the situation uncomfortable, to make themselves less. 458 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,000 Well just like what you were talking about before, why can't we both have different opinions 459 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,120 and why can't you just keep yours quiet? 460 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,960 Because I'm allowed to have my opinions too, even if they make you uncomfortable. 461 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,120 And I'm allowed to be loud about it. 462 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:21,200 Heck yeah. 463 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,200 Really loud apparently. 464 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,200 Yeah. 465 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:30,360 And I will say, circling back to that video, she said no. 466 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:32,080 And I was very proud of her. 467 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,920 And he was shocked, boys and girls. 468 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,920 He was shocked. 469 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,480 You didn't allow me to have a personal chef while I allowed you to have an art kit? 470 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,400 If she had said yes, he would have won. 471 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,400 That would have been the automatic thing. 472 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:53,000 But because women are taught to just do what we're told to do, he expected her to be nice. 473 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,200 Well think about, I know that I've seen TikToks about these. 474 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,640 They're called like micro feminist movements. 475 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,240 So people go around saying like, what micro feminist thing do you do? 476 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:10,840 And so some people are like, oh, instead of assuming that the doctor is a man, I assume 477 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,400 that she's a woman. 478 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,160 And let them correct me if I'm wrong. 479 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,720 Or I say the woman's name first instead. 480 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,680 One of the things that they do though, is instead of stepping out of the way when you're 481 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:27,280 walking towards someone, if you notice, men don't move out of the way. 482 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,540 As a general rule, I'm not saying all men. 483 00:28:29,540 --> 00:28:32,480 But when you're walking towards someone, they don't get out of the way. 484 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,180 You have to get out of the way as a woman. 485 00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:38,000 So instead of doing that, you just walk into them. 486 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,160 Look at them like, what the crap? 487 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,720 I saw that video and she's like, I have walked into six men today. 488 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,120 I've started doing that. 489 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:51,200 I think it's hilarious, especially Disney and Black Friday when you're in big crowds. 490 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,000 Because the men look at you like, what are you doing? 491 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,240 You should get out of the way. 492 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,480 And I'm like, you should get out of the way. 493 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,560 Well, you don't even realize it. 494 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,880 You don't even realize that that is a thing until you start doing something like that. 495 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,400 You're like, oh my gosh, I've been moving out of the way. 496 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,320 And that would be perfectly fine if it was a mutual respect kind of thing. 497 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,080 I'll move out of your way and you move out of my way. 498 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,780 No one needs to get in a head on collision here. 499 00:29:16,780 --> 00:29:22,920 But the fact that nine times out of 10, the woman is going to be the one to step out of 500 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:28,080 the way, to inconvenience herself to make that other person not have to get out of the 501 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,080 way. 502 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,400 It's just, it's wild. 503 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,540 So yeah, do we really want to go down this path? 504 00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:41,960 Do you really want to sacrifice your comfort for the courage to step out and say that this 505 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,080 isn't right? 506 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,920 This is what I believe. 507 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:52,280 I'm tired of complying to what has been said for me to do all along. 508 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,480 I'm going to go against the grain. 509 00:29:54,480 --> 00:30:00,660 Some people that did go against the grain. 510 00:30:00,660 --> 00:30:07,220 So Beth talks about a great cloud of female witnesses in this chapter of her book. 511 00:30:07,220 --> 00:30:11,980 And when she was talking about her husband ended up getting laid off from his job because 512 00:30:11,980 --> 00:30:13,640 they disagreed with their stance. 513 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,160 They made waves. 514 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,160 They made waves. 515 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:21,560 So her husband got fired and she's like, I was sitting there and thinking about Marjorie 516 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,560 Kemp. 517 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,560 Just take a pause. 518 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,640 I know you guys don't know who this is yet. 519 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,640 We'll get there. 520 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,000 But you're sitting there in tragedy. 521 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,200 What sort of person is sitting there in tragedy and thinking of historical figures? 522 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,600 She's like, this medieval woman. 523 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,880 I just couldn't get her out of my mind after my husband got laid off. 524 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,880 I love that. 525 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,880 She's great. 526 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:51,600 And Marjorie Kemp was arrested in 1417 for pretty much just loving the Lord too much. 527 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,840 She had a lot of money and could get away with a lot more than what other women of her 528 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,080 time could get away with. 529 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:03,340 But she would go into churches and she was talked about how wild her worship was. 530 00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:08,360 She would get on her knees and she would just love the Lord too loudly. 531 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:13,400 And she would go and she would kind of teach the Word of God to other people. 532 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,760 And so they arrested her because they said women aren't allowed to preach. 533 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,960 And so she argued with the Archbishop and said, but I'm not preaching. 534 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:28,240 And she gave all these biblical references that Paul says that defended that she did 535 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,240 have the right to teach and share the Word of God in the name of Jesus. 536 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,280 And she actually ended up winning against the Archbishop. 537 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,360 The Archbishop called her a wicked woman. 538 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,880 And she's like, actually, I think you're a wicked man and you should repent for your 539 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,520 sins otherwise you're going to hell. 540 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,520 That's what she told the Archbishop in 1417. 541 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,120 This woman did. 542 00:31:51,120 --> 00:32:01,160 Again, let's mention too, when you look at certain men in the past, let's take some major 543 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,320 historical figures. 544 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,980 Martin Luther or someone like that. 545 00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:07,600 He could get away with so much. 546 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:13,880 Now, I'm not saying that things went great for him in the end, but he was able to go 547 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:14,880 quite a bit further. 548 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,840 Whereas for her, I mean, right then and there, first offense, chop off her head. 549 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:26,960 Obviously, that's not what happened, but that was the risk she was running by saying anything 550 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,600 to begin with. 551 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,680 Whereas men could, they may not have been able to get away with it forever and ever, 552 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,600 but they could get away with a lot more. 553 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:44,400 And so she's risking her life to push the needle forward a little bit. 554 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,340 And in the book about Marjorie Kemp, it says that she was surrounded by a great cloud of 555 00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:55,280 female witnesses to help back her up pretty much, which I just feel like that's such a 556 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,280 comfort. 557 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,640 Oh, I think about that all the time. 558 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,460 It's one of my favorite things. 559 00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:04,960 All these incredible women throughout the Bible, throughout history, that were not quiet 560 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:11,760 and compliant, and they didn't necessarily think of other people's comfort all the time. 561 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:18,360 They thought about, how can I push forward the kingdom of God and be loud about it? 562 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:25,880 So people like Mary Magdalene, who was called the apostle of the apostles, she was called, 563 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,040 wasn't she called Jesus's favorite at one point? 564 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,380 So that's actually in her own book. 565 00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:36,000 So the Gnostic Gospels, which are not included in the main Bible for many reasons, but in 566 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,680 there, supposedly, if those books are true, Peter calls her Jesus's favorite. 567 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,160 Is Mary Magdalene the same as Mary of Bethany? 568 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,520 I don't know. 569 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,120 But there's like 7,000 Marys. 570 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,680 There's like 7,000 Marys. 571 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,280 This is a quote from Beth Allison Barr. 572 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,960 For the medieval Christians, Mary of Bethany was not just a woman who sat quietly at the 573 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,240 feet of Jesus. 574 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,600 She was a repentant prostitute. 575 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,600 So I do think it's Mary Magdalene. 576 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,320 And former demoniac. 577 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,640 She was the apostle of the apostles, the first apostle who carried the good news of the resurrection. 578 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,380 She was the missionary of Christ, affirmed by Peter. 579 00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:19,800 She preached openly, performed miracles that paralleled those of the apostles, and converted 580 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,360 a new land to the Christian faith. 581 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,040 That is not a woman who is quiet. 582 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:30,680 I think you have to look at almost every woman featured in the Bible. 583 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,440 Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm thinking of all of the examples of women named 584 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,480 in the Bible. 585 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:43,600 And I can't think of a single one who was quiet or compliant or who sat back and let 586 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,520 their husbands lead them onto the path God wanted them to be on in the first place. 587 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,080 Like that's very convoluted. 588 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,080 Jesus will lead you to the path he wants you to be on. 589 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,880 You don't need a person in front of you. 590 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,240 And I think of Mary and Martha. 591 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,320 They just followed Jesus. 592 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,320 That's what they did. 593 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,240 They just simply followed Jesus. 594 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,720 Mary the mother of Jesus. 595 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:11,880 Esther. 596 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,440 Ruth. 597 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:20,040 Like I can point you at Pua and Shifra that we talked about forever ago. 598 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,040 Big Deb. 599 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,840 I wanted to say Naomi. 600 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,960 Naomi in the Bible I just think is hilarious. 601 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,080 I was reading a little bit about her this past couple days. 602 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,560 She changed her name after her husband died and she moved back to wherever she was from. 603 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,440 Tamara which essentially just means like despair. 604 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,480 That is so funny to me. 605 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,960 Like can you be so sad that you look at someone and just say like don't call me by Brianna. 606 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,560 Just call me miserable. 607 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,600 And be fully serious. 608 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,600 Do not call me Brianna. 609 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,840 And imagine the people of the town that are like trying to interact with her and they're 610 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,840 like hello miserable. 611 00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,840 How are you today? 612 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,840 I'm sad. 613 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:01,840 Obviously. 614 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:12,040 That is a level of just insanity that I aspire to. 615 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,040 It was so tremendous. 616 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,520 It was written down in the Bible. 617 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,800 They were just like we need to remember this. 618 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,440 Paula of Rome who I was reading about. 619 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,720 I think Beth does talk about her in her book as well but I read an article about her. 620 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:30,640 This is the woman that we talked about a while ago who left her kids to follow Jesus and 621 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,800 actually she's like an incredible person. 622 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,320 It's a wild story. 623 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,480 She was a mother of five. 624 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,960 She was widowed early in her 30s. 625 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,400 She joined a study with other very wealthy widows because she was wealthy herself. 626 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,240 Go her. 627 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:48,880 And that's where she met Jerome. 628 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,920 I don't exactly know who Jerome is but he's important. 629 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,920 He's important. 630 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,520 He's important and his name is Jerome. 631 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:03,600 So she decided to leave Rome and go tour the Holy Lands with one of her daughters so she 632 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,960 didn't leave all her kids. 633 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,960 She brought her favorites. 634 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:13,560 Well I think the story that Beth tells too of her, there's like this legend of her standing 635 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,160 on the bow of a boat staring at her children and her children are like sobbing asking her 636 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,120 not to go. 637 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,640 And that's part of why this story is wild. 638 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:31,200 It's hard because as mom I can't even begin to imagine this but she was following what 639 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,160 God asked her to do. 640 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,520 And sometimes that hurts. 641 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,640 It hurts a lot of times and it's not just about leaving your kids. 642 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,760 It can hurt for different reasons too. 643 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,320 And I'm not recommending that you all get on a boat and leave your children but in this 644 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,800 particular case it's very clear that God had something for her. 645 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:59,960 Yeah she ended up in Bethlehem actually and she started three different monasteries. 646 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:04,640 So one was just for women, one was for men, and one was for tourists. 647 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:11,560 Now the one that she ran specifically, all of the women there became experts in the ancient 648 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:20,360 languages and they preserved a lot of the ancient texts so they duplicated them and 649 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,760 they were preserved for centuries. 650 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:29,580 And then her, her daughter and Jerome were responsible for translating those texts into 651 00:38:29,580 --> 00:38:36,480 a Latin version of the Bible called the Vulgate which was used for over a thousand years. 652 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,680 Which made the Bible accessible to how many people? 653 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,840 Well us even today. 654 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,380 It's still being used I'm sure. 655 00:38:44,380 --> 00:38:46,920 That impact is being felt. 656 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:55,000 And I just think it's such a contrast to the people that say, well women your primary calling 657 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,080 is to be wives and mothers because you're nurturing, because you're loving, because 658 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,080 you're whatever. 659 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,320 Don't get me started. 660 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,000 This woman left her children. 661 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:14,260 And again I'm not saying that this is the ideal situation but her job in life and she 662 00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:20,580 knew it and God knew it for her was not to be a mom to these kids. 663 00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:21,580 And that hurts. 664 00:39:21,580 --> 00:39:24,120 That's a hard story. 665 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:31,840 But her job, her calling, her following God was her going out and preserving the Bible 666 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,820 for the rest of time. 667 00:39:33,820 --> 00:39:40,480 And she had so much faith in God that she knew her kids are going to be taken care of 668 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,480 and okay. 669 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,280 I think when I first read this story, because I read the Making of Biblical Womanhood quite 670 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,400 a long time ago at this point. 671 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:55,280 And when I first read this story I think I pictured her as really callous. 672 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,520 She didn't want to be a mom in the first place and she's glad to get rid of these kids. 673 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,040 Peace out. 674 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,040 I didn't know her. 675 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,040 She was in 1417. 676 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,040 No, that was Marjorie Kemper. 677 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,040 Oh sorry. 678 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,080 I think this seems wrong. 679 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,040 347 to 404? 680 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,520 It's possible. 681 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,400 But I didn't know her. 682 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,440 She was a long time ago. 683 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,440 Long dead. 684 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:26,040 But I would imagine because I see the fruits of her labor, because I see how much she cared 685 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:32,000 about humanity, how much she cared about the women that she was working with, that it probably 686 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,880 hurt really bad to leave her kids. 687 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:41,780 As I'm peeling apart this story I would imagine that it hurt really, really bad. 688 00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:48,080 And then I liken that to when Jesus was walking through towns and asking all of his disciples 689 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,400 to drop what they were doing and follow him. 690 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,740 And that had to hurt. 691 00:40:53,740 --> 00:41:00,720 She didn't become a Christian until she joined this study with these other widows. 692 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:05,740 And she became on fire for the Lord and was able to keep that fire going for the rest 693 00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:07,120 of her life. 694 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,720 I feel like for you and me we were born into it, right? 695 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,320 We've been Christians, we've been in the church our entire lives. 696 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:22,920 So it's hard to find that spark again to get yourself back on fire for the Lord and have 697 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,640 that same level of faith. 698 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:32,660 But I think stories like this and these other incredibly strong women are lighting that 699 00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:39,520 fire again because I realize my God is so much bigger than I ever thought he was. 700 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:45,000 Yeah, I think, you know we talked about representation. 701 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:51,120 And when you're sitting in church and you never hear a story about a person who looks 702 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:58,360 like you, and I'm sure this is true for many, many people groups, but when you never hear 703 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,360 a story about a person who looks like you, whether that's a story from the Bible or a 704 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:08,240 story from history, it does get really hard to make it feel real. 705 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,880 Because it feels like it's not for you. 706 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:15,360 Yeah, because if all you ever hear about is Daniel in the lion's den and Moses parting 707 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,360 the sea and Noah in the ark, why can't I do that? 708 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,360 Why can't I build a freaking ark? 709 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,880 Well, I don't want to. 710 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,640 It took him a really long time. 711 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,840 It's like hundreds of years. 712 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:37,240 I think one important point to make also is that Paul was doing the same thing that the 713 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:39,080 disciples were doing, right? 714 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,480 The disciples were told drop everything. 715 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,680 Don't say goodbye to your families, to your whatever. 716 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,720 Just follow me. 717 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:48,800 Just follow me. 718 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,120 Drop everything that you're doing and follow me. 719 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,220 And they did. 720 00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:55,880 And we don't judge them for that. 721 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:56,960 No. 722 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,400 But we sit here and we hear her story and I absolutely guarantee you that everyone is 723 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,800 sitting there judging her for that. 724 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,480 When Jesus came to her and said, take up your cross and follow me. 725 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,360 That's what she was doing. 726 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:19,160 And the really hard reality is that when Jesus said that, there was a consequence. 727 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,100 Just like with his disciples. 728 00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:23,060 When he said that there was a consequence. 729 00:43:23,060 --> 00:43:25,560 There was a hard choice that had to be made. 730 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,960 I actually always question, and this is not biblical at all, but I always question were 731 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,320 there people that Jesus said follow me and they didn't? 732 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,840 There had to have been. 733 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:35,840 Yeah. 734 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:36,840 Wouldn't you think? 735 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,920 We never read into the story like that, but I just kind of always have wondered that. 736 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,280 Were there people that said no? 737 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,880 And was it okay that they said no? 738 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,360 This is totally offshoot. 739 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,560 Did they still end up becoming Christ followers? 740 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,560 I don't know. 741 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,840 I just think that's an interesting thought. 742 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,720 Because it's a hard path to walk down. 743 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:56,720 It is. 744 00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:01,840 Like we've said a million times during this podcast, it's not a comfortable situation. 745 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:07,800 There are times where I do, there's a part of me that wishes I could just be happy with 746 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,840 the status quo. 747 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:10,840 Because it would be easier. 748 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:18,360 It would be so much simpler to just be able to be what was expected of me. 749 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,760 What I was told to be as a child. 750 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,760 People would be more comfortable around you. 751 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:24,760 Yeah. 752 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,040 Everyone wouldn't feel like they have to like awkwardly ask, how's the podcast going? 753 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:35,040 I don't really want to talk about this, but... 754 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,840 Or anytime anyone says a sexist comment, just like look at you. 755 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,400 Please stop making sexist comments. 756 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,840 Let's just stop that. 757 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:58,800 I don't know if I want to keep this in or not, but I was talking to a person. 758 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,680 And they said, well, this is just women's work. 759 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,400 This isn't a man's job. 760 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,960 And I was like, give me more information. 761 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,360 Tell me more about that. 762 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,640 Why do you feel that way? 763 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,920 Because again, trying to keep the situation comfortable. 764 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,360 I don't want to be like, piss off. 765 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:25,800 He was talking about bathing a dog and how this is just women's work. 766 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,120 And I was like, what do you mean by that? 767 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,840 And he was like, well, women are just naturally more nurturing. 768 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,640 And I was like, that's not true. 769 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,640 Yeah. 770 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:37,640 I'm not nurturing. 771 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,800 Which I feel like I am. 772 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,800 You definitely are. 773 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,400 But I think it's so stupid when it's like women are more nurturing. 774 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,440 You are nurturing, but men also can be nurturing. 775 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,240 And should be. 776 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:53,240 Men should be. 777 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:58,160 I think nurturing just means caring about another person, occasionally putting them 778 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,000 before yourself, and being aware of their needs. 779 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,440 How about everybody should be nurturing? 780 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,440 Everybody should be. 781 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,440 That should just be an expectation. 782 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,400 I think part of that is how we raise boys. 783 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,400 Yeah. 784 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,400 And we don't- 785 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,080 Well, because we raise boys to say that their needs and comforts come before everybody else. 786 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,080 Right. 787 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,080 But yeah, that's wild. 788 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,400 I think I've said that's wild like five times in this episode. 789 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,400 That's wild. 790 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:29,360 I didn't have any alcohol, so I don't have any more flowing words coming out of me. 791 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,480 This is my third glass of wine today. 792 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,480 Wow. 793 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,720 So to end this on an ending Bathsheba note- 794 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:40,560 We're gonna end Bathsheba. 795 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,360 To wrap up all of the talks about her. 796 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,360 Real quick. 797 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,360 Yeah. 798 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,240 I think Bathsheba was surrounded by a cloud of witnesses too. 799 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,760 Doesn't that just make it like gives me shivers down my spine? 800 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:57,000 I think there was a cloud of female witnesses around her saying, we hear you, we're here 801 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,600 to protect you, and things are gonna be okay. 802 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,440 Because your name is gonna be written in the book of life forever and ever. 803 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,320 I just, I can't begin to tell you, if you guys haven't read Beth's book, read it. 804 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,760 It's just spectacular. 805 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:19,160 But that particular segment where she talks about the cloud of female witnesses and just 806 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:26,280 the empowering feeling of that, of thinking all of these incredible women throughout history 807 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,040 would back me up. 808 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,720 They would back us up here. 809 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:31,720 Yep. 810 00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:33,520 They would say, yeah, keep doing it. 811 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:39,160 And even when the TikTok trolls jump on and call us children for the things that we say- 812 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,160 Or AI. 813 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,160 Or AI. 814 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,880 Yeah, we did get that comment. 815 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:48,480 Or whatever else they want to throw at us. 816 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,200 All of these women, plus also Jesus, are behind us. 817 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,960 And I just think that's super cool. 818 00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:02,220 But I think to move to the end of Bathsheba's, the story that we know of her. 819 00:48:02,220 --> 00:48:10,360 So Solomon becomes king, her son Solomon, and becomes, I think overall, quite a beloved 820 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,960 king in Israel. 821 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,880 He ends up building the temple, things like that. 822 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,440 She becomes the queen mother. 823 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,440 Yeah. 824 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:24,080 And she basically, there's a story where she comes to him and wants to talk to him and 825 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,160 give him some advice. 826 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,240 And he pulls a throne up right next to him. 827 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,240 And she's right there. 828 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:36,120 And it goes from just the worst that life can give you. 829 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:42,480 The beginning of where we land in her story in Second Samuel, I would argue is just the 830 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,280 worst life can offer someone. 831 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,640 She was powerless in so many situations. 832 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,400 And then she loses her child. 833 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,380 There's nothing good in that story. 834 00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:59,520 And I don't want to say, oh, but everything was fine, because look at the end of her story. 835 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,560 No, her story, the beginning of her story still sucks. 836 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:10,920 But look at when she steps into her own, when she decides not to let everybody else be comfortable, 837 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:19,060 when she follows what she knows God told her to do, look where she lands. 838 00:49:19,060 --> 00:49:22,880 She is the most influential woman in Israel during this time. 839 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:29,880 I heard a TikTok the other day that said, your trauma did not make you stronger. 840 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,960 Your trauma traumatized you. 841 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,040 And it's okay to admit that and it's okay to accept that. 842 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,320 But you can move past it and you can become strong from it. 843 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,360 But it's okay to accept that it traumatized you too. 844 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:49,720 Yeah, I think it's your reaction to the trauma, your choice to build yourself back up that 845 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:51,720 made you strong. 846 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:56,000 I think yeah, that's a really twisted way that we in modern day look at things. 847 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:05,320 It's like, well, you should be thankful that you went through X, Y, Z, because if you hadn't, 848 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,000 then you wouldn't have what you have now. 849 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,760 And I've actually, we've seen that comment a couple of times on our TikTok of like, well, 850 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,700 she went through this because she was supposed to be queen and this was the path that God 851 00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:19,280 had for her to become queen. 852 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,240 No, she went through an absolute trauma. 853 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:27,400 If God wanted her to become queen, there were other pathways for that. 854 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,480 Oh yeah. 855 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,080 There were other options. 856 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:35,640 I don't know if you know this, but God has ultimate power and he can do whatever he wants. 857 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:40,240 I mean, she could have just married David in the first place. 858 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:44,720 Her husband could have actually died in battle and then David could have married her after 859 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:45,720 that. 860 00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:46,720 Many options. 861 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:54,160 But the reality is yeah, her trauma was traumatic and what an incredible thing to have in the 862 00:50:54,160 --> 00:51:02,160 Bible because now all the people who go through trauma have a way to see themselves in the 863 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,520 Bible. 864 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:12,540 Their story is there and yet also redemption is there and the end of the story is there 865 00:51:12,540 --> 00:51:16,520 that they can see that it doesn't just stop, that it keeps moving forward, that God keeps 866 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,480 moving forward with Bathsheba. 867 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,920 God is faithful. 868 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:27,400 One of the things that I wanted to say too because we talked a little bit about how in 869 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:34,960 this story everybody always defends David because the Bible calls him a man after God's 870 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:43,120 own heart and that's a really tricky thing to get past when you look at what he did. 871 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,120 This is not the only bad story about David. 872 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:53,200 He was a troubled soul. 873 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:58,920 But our pastor this last week, or my pastor I guess, this last week talked about David 874 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,080 and Bathsheba which I thought was really interesting. 875 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,280 I think that's just another affirmation that we are in fact doing what we're supposed to 876 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,280 be doing. 877 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,280 Yeah. 878 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:13,360 So he started talking about us like, hey, I know that story. 879 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,400 Did I manifest this? 880 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,560 Sitting there with my hands up. 881 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:24,760 No, but what he said I thought was just so really impactful about David. 882 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,720 So the series we're going through right now, I really like it. 883 00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:33,160 It's called Shame Off You. 884 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:39,240 He was talking about how we can struggle a lot with that phrase. 885 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:42,480 How could David be a man after God's own heart? 886 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:49,000 And then also be this horrific person who hurt so many people. 887 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:56,320 And he said, I don't think it's a reflection of who David was because David is sinful. 888 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,720 David has done a lot. 889 00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:02,240 David could be a soap opera all on his own. 890 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:11,040 He said, I think it's a reflection of how God sees David and how God sees all of us. 891 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:16,720 So not David is a man after God's own heart because he's such a wonderful exemplary human 892 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,520 being. 893 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:24,800 But David's a man after God's own heart because once you accept God into your heart, God sees 894 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:32,480 you as someone that he cherishes, as someone who is after his own heart, his flesh and 895 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:33,480 blood. 896 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,480 Yeah. 897 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,560 As his child, as perfect in his eyes. 898 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:43,540 That turned everything on its head for me because I struggle with that a lot in this 899 00:53:43,540 --> 00:53:48,440 story of how do we get past that? 900 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,880 But I thought that was a really good way to put it. 901 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:58,160 And a way to talk about this story that doesn't excuse any of his behavior, but also makes 902 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,120 the Bible make a lot more sense to me. 903 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,120 Yeah. 904 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:06,680 All right, so I think that's the end of our Bathsheba series. 905 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,920 I hope you guys have enjoyed four hours of us talking about her. 906 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:18,200 Similar to the length of Colin Firth's Pride and Prejudice, which we thought was four hours, 907 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,020 but was in fact six. 908 00:54:20,020 --> 00:54:22,000 So should we do two more episodes, guys? 909 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,720 I don't think I can talk about Babs anymore. 910 00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:25,840 No, I think we got to give it some time. 911 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,760 I would love to hear some suggestions about what you all want to hear about. 912 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,880 Send us some DMs, comment on our TikToks, our Instagram posts. 913 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,560 What topics would you like us to dive into and just talk for hours and hours and hours 914 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,840 about? 915 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:48,520 And if you don't, we're going to talk about TikTok for a long time. 916 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:54,000 I feel like after four hours about talking about Babs, we deserve that. 917 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,720 So maybe our next episode should just be, let's talk about our TikToks. 918 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:04,760 I actually wouldn't mind going through, Brie and I send each other feminist TikToks, religious 919 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,280 TikToks, constantly. 920 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,680 All the time we're obnoxious. 921 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,480 Anyone else would hate us. 922 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,000 My algorithm is so messed up. 923 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,000 Oh yeah, mine's a disaster. 924 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:20,040 It's like so, so feminist, but then also like, can I tell you something about sharks that 925 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,040 you never knew? 926 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:26,840 They don't have legs. 927 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,440 So I do think it would be fun though. 928 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,040 I saw this one today. 929 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:35,280 There's just a list of like, you know how to like make a hug great? 930 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,200 Lean in and whisper these things. 931 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,440 And it was like, I know what you did last summer. 932 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,440 Or help me. 933 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,960 Just like look back at them. 934 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:46,960 Just totally normal. 935 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:53,400 Or I killed Mufasa. 936 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,640 I reposted it on my personal one. 937 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:56,640 Okay, good. 938 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:57,640 Not on ours. 939 00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,240 No, you can find my personal one if you want. 940 00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:05,320 If you guys ever see us reposting just like a lot of bizarre crap, know that Brie and 941 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,120 I got ahold of the TikTok. 942 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,560 I reposted I think two different ones today. 943 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:11,560 Did you? 944 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:12,560 Yeah. 945 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,280 Okay, so we'll maybe do that next week because that would be kind of fun. 946 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,000 Just go through all the weird TikToks. 947 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:24,840 I bought a book and okay, so I bought it on Amazon and we share like a family Amazon account 948 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,400 and my dad saw it and he was like, who bought this? 949 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,400 What is this? 950 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,680 So it's called like 109 ways to piss off men. 951 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:40,880 Like, I'm, look guys, I realize that that's a little bit inflammatory and I'm not saying 952 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,440 like, oh, we should go around and make each other angry. 953 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,720 But I actually would really like to talk about it because I was reading through it and I 954 00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:50,080 was like, okay, these are hilarious, first of all. 955 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:57,680 But also like, what is the base reason of why this would make a stereotypical man angry? 956 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,800 One of them, okay, so my favorite one, if we go into it later, I'll read some more of 957 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:08,680 them too, but one of my favorite ones is tell a man, I don't believe you can run that fast. 958 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:14,840 And the little comments under it were like, he'll eventually figure out that you're manipulating 959 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,400 him, but by then he'll have run so far away that you can just leave. 960 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,280 It's like my favorite thing. 961 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,160 So I want to talk about, so maybe we'll talk about TikToks and also that book. 962 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,480 I think that'd be good. 963 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,120 Grab your popcorn, grab your wine, we're in for a weird week. 964 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,200 All right, we'll see you guys next week. 965 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,000 May the Lord bless you and keep you. 966 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,000 Okay. 967 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,000 Bye. 968 00:57:39,000 --> 00:58:05,000 Bye.