1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,400 Carol Cox: Are you an introvert? 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:02,870 Well, so am I. 3 00:00:02,900 --> 00:00:05,090 Hear how you can bring those strengths to 4 00:00:05,090 --> 00:00:07,490 your speaking and leadership on this episode 5 00:00:07,490 --> 00:00:14,750 of the Speaking Your Brand podcast. 6 00:00:14,750 --> 00:00:16,940 More and more women are making an impact by 7 00:00:16,940 --> 00:00:19,670 starting businesses, running for office, and 8 00:00:19,670 --> 00:00:21,680 speaking up for what matters. 9 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,930 With my background as a TV political 10 00:00:23,930 --> 00:00:26,780 analyst, entrepreneur, and speaker, I 11 00:00:26,780 --> 00:00:29,250 interview and coach purpose driven women to 12 00:00:29,250 --> 00:00:31,770 shape their brands, grow their companies, 13 00:00:31,770 --> 00:00:34,410 and become recognized as influencers in 14 00:00:34,410 --> 00:00:37,770 their field. This is speaking your brand, 15 00:00:37,770 --> 00:00:40,260 your place to learn how to persuasively 16 00:00:40,260 --> 00:00:44,610 communicate your message to your audience. 17 00:00:44,610 --> 00:00:45,720 Hi there and welcome to the Speaking Your 18 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,820 Brand podcast. I'm your host, Carol Cox, 19 00:00:47,910 --> 00:00:49,710 joined again today by our lead speaking 20 00:00:49,710 --> 00:00:51,810 coach, Diane Diaz. Hi, Diane. 21 00:00:51,810 --> 00:00:52,890 Hi, Carol. 22 00:00:52,890 --> 00:00:56,980 Can you believe that this is episode 400 woo 23 00:00:56,980 --> 00:00:59,290 of the Speaking Your Brand podcast, right? 24 00:00:59,290 --> 00:01:02,080 I mean, I don't even like if you really sit 25 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,920 back and think about 400 individual pieces 26 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,960 of content. I don't think I've done anything 27 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:08,830 else 400 times. 28 00:01:08,830 --> 00:01:10,630 Diane Diaz: That's incredible. 29 00:01:10,630 --> 00:01:12,790 That's astounding actually. 30 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,970 Carol Cox: And you've been obviously a part of so many 31 00:01:15,970 --> 00:01:17,990 of those episodes, and which has been 32 00:01:17,990 --> 00:01:20,270 exciting. But I really just want to thank 33 00:01:20,270 --> 00:01:22,100 all of you who have listened, whether you 34 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:24,290 have found this podcast relatively recently 35 00:01:24,290 --> 00:01:26,570 or found it in the past year, and I even 36 00:01:26,570 --> 00:01:27,740 know there are some of you who have been 37 00:01:27,740 --> 00:01:29,870 listening since the very beginning. 38 00:01:29,870 --> 00:01:32,660 So thank you so much for being part of the 39 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:35,090 speaking brand community, for listening, for 40 00:01:35,090 --> 00:01:37,160 sharing episodes that you really like, for 41 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,560 emailing me when you listen to an episode 42 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,780 that resonates with you and for becoming 43 00:01:41,790 --> 00:01:43,860 clients and working with us. 44 00:01:43,860 --> 00:01:46,140 So this episode we are going to be talking 45 00:01:46,140 --> 00:01:49,620 about why introverts make great speakers and 46 00:01:49,620 --> 00:01:51,690 leaders. This is the final episode in the 47 00:01:51,690 --> 00:01:54,030 series we've been doing all around executive 48 00:01:54,030 --> 00:01:56,130 speaking. Whether you're an executive at a 49 00:01:56,130 --> 00:01:58,590 company or you're an entrepreneur, this 50 00:01:58,590 --> 00:02:00,990 series has been geared around helping you to 51 00:02:00,990 --> 00:02:03,240 develop your executive presence, your 52 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,470 storytelling skills as a leader, and how to 53 00:02:06,470 --> 00:02:08,060 effectively communicate change. 54 00:02:08,060 --> 00:02:09,740 Whether you're communicating change to a 55 00:02:09,740 --> 00:02:13,790 team, an organization, or to your audience. 56 00:02:13,820 --> 00:02:15,890 So, Diane, do you consider yourself an 57 00:02:15,890 --> 00:02:16,370 introvert? 58 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,720 Diane Diaz: 100%. 59 00:02:18,500 --> 00:02:20,450 Carol Cox: Okay, as am I. 60 00:02:20,450 --> 00:02:23,330 And I find that so many of the women that we 61 00:02:23,330 --> 00:02:25,400 talk to, they tend to think being an 62 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,970 introvert as a speaker is a disadvantage to 63 00:02:28,970 --> 00:02:30,950 them. And so that's what I wanted to do this 64 00:02:30,950 --> 00:02:32,840 episode with us to talk about our 65 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,870 experiences as being introverts, but as 66 00:02:35,870 --> 00:02:38,090 speakers and really a lot of the strengths 67 00:02:38,090 --> 00:02:40,940 that introverts have that they can bring to 68 00:02:40,940 --> 00:02:43,400 the stage to their audiences. 69 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,170 And so I feel like there's a common 70 00:02:45,170 --> 00:02:47,540 misperception that most speakers are 71 00:02:47,540 --> 00:02:50,600 extroverts, perhaps because we see them on 72 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,360 stage. So we see see speakers that we may 73 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,790 classify as really charismatic or energetic 74 00:02:56,790 --> 00:02:58,920 or engaging. And we think that as introverts 75 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:01,050 were not those things, but we are. 76 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,870 We may just portray them differently. 77 00:03:03,870 --> 00:03:07,230 And from my very unscientific survey of all 78 00:03:07,230 --> 00:03:08,640 the different women and speakers I've talked 79 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:10,590 to over the years, I have found that I would 80 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:13,470 say well over half of them are introverts. 81 00:03:13,470 --> 00:03:14,610 Have you found the same? 82 00:03:14,610 --> 00:03:16,560 Diane Diaz: Absolutely. Clients say that to me all the 83 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,270 time. And I think and I think you're right, 84 00:03:18,270 --> 00:03:19,930 I think it's because when you see someone on 85 00:03:19,930 --> 00:03:22,060 stage, you just assume they're an extrovert. 86 00:03:22,060 --> 00:03:24,730 I think also a lot of the well-known 87 00:03:24,730 --> 00:03:26,710 speakers that we know that get, you know, 88 00:03:26,710 --> 00:03:28,420 get paid a lot of money to do these very 89 00:03:28,420 --> 00:03:31,120 public events also, then have social media 90 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,410 teams. And so they're putting out all this 91 00:03:32,410 --> 00:03:34,210 content, which makes it seem like the person 92 00:03:34,210 --> 00:03:36,490 is out there a lot more, which makes them 93 00:03:36,490 --> 00:03:37,690 seem like an extrovert. 94 00:03:38,650 --> 00:03:40,510 Carol Cox: Yes, I agree with you that. 95 00:03:40,510 --> 00:03:42,070 And this is kind of one of the differences 96 00:03:42,070 --> 00:03:43,940 we'll talk about between being an introvert 97 00:03:43,940 --> 00:03:45,860 and extrovert. And there is no right or 98 00:03:45,860 --> 00:03:47,900 wrong. There is not one is better than the 99 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:49,220 other. It's just different. 100 00:03:49,220 --> 00:03:50,630 So it's different how we show up as 101 00:03:50,630 --> 00:03:53,510 speakers. Also what we need, how we need to 102 00:03:53,510 --> 00:03:56,090 take care of ourselves, especially after a 103 00:03:56,090 --> 00:03:57,830 speaking engagement or after attending a 104 00:03:57,830 --> 00:03:59,900 conference, which may look different than 105 00:03:59,900 --> 00:04:01,790 what extroverts do as well. 106 00:04:01,790 --> 00:04:03,680 And so if you're new to speaking your brand, 107 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,780 welcome! We're so glad that you are here. 108 00:04:05,780 --> 00:04:07,750 We work with women entrepreneurs, 109 00:04:07,750 --> 00:04:10,060 professionals and leaders to develop their 110 00:04:10,060 --> 00:04:11,740 thought leadership message, create their 111 00:04:11,740 --> 00:04:13,870 signature talk, and put themselves out there 112 00:04:13,870 --> 00:04:15,640 as sought after speakers. 113 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,890 Now, one of the things that has helped a lot 114 00:04:17,890 --> 00:04:19,810 of the women that I've talked to is to take 115 00:04:19,810 --> 00:04:22,960 our speaker archetype quiz, because it's 116 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,040 fun, it's free. 117 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,080 It's just ten multiple choice questions, and 118 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,970 then you'll find out which of the four 119 00:04:27,970 --> 00:04:30,070 speaker archetypes you are that we've 120 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:32,350 identified. Now, this doesn't have anything 121 00:04:32,350 --> 00:04:34,150 to do with introversion or extroversion, 122 00:04:34,150 --> 00:04:36,220 because really you can be any of the four, 123 00:04:36,220 --> 00:04:37,990 but it helps you to understand where your 124 00:04:37,990 --> 00:04:40,540 natural communication strengths are and then 125 00:04:40,540 --> 00:04:41,650 how to amplify them. 126 00:04:41,650 --> 00:04:44,080 So you can take that free quiz as speaking 127 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,720 your Brand.com slash quiz. 128 00:04:46,750 --> 00:04:48,940 Now, Diane, I know that at the beginning of 129 00:04:48,940 --> 00:04:51,670 this year, we made a commitment to go to a 130 00:04:51,670 --> 00:04:54,190 lot more events than we have been because of 131 00:04:54,190 --> 00:04:56,020 the pandemic. Obviously, the first couple of 132 00:04:56,020 --> 00:04:57,580 years, the pandemic, we didn't really do 133 00:04:57,580 --> 00:05:00,430 much of anything. And then like 2022 was 134 00:05:00,430 --> 00:05:03,370 slow. Getting back out there, 2023 was slow 135 00:05:03,370 --> 00:05:04,900 getting back out there. And so the beginning 136 00:05:04,900 --> 00:05:06,640 of this year, we're like, okay, we really 137 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,400 need to show up locally again, get back 138 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,870 involved in the community, which we have 139 00:05:10,870 --> 00:05:13,060 been very involved before the pandemic. 140 00:05:13,060 --> 00:05:15,580 And, you know, I really have enjoyed going 141 00:05:15,580 --> 00:05:16,960 to all different types of events. 142 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,810 I have learned which types of events feel 143 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:21,320 better to me, and we'll talk about that 144 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,610 because I think this is important as an 145 00:05:22,610 --> 00:05:25,370 introvert. But also showing up at events as 146 00:05:25,370 --> 00:05:27,590 an introvert isn't always easy. 147 00:05:27,590 --> 00:05:30,140 So we'll share some tips about that as well. 148 00:05:30,140 --> 00:05:33,320 But before we do that, I know that Diane, 149 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,450 you grew up not only as an introvert, but 150 00:05:35,450 --> 00:05:39,170 also relatively shy as a child, as did I. 151 00:05:39,170 --> 00:05:41,810 And I feel like, again, for a lot of people 152 00:05:41,810 --> 00:05:43,040 that they feel like, well, why would you 153 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,310 become a speaker then? 154 00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:45,840 Like, doesn't that seem weird that you would 155 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:47,190 want attention on you? 156 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:48,600 You would want people looking at you? 157 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,760 And I think this is why people confuse 158 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,500 introversion and speaking. 159 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:55,440 Because for me, becoming a speaker and this 160 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,840 was all the way back with joining the debate 161 00:05:57,870 --> 00:06:00,570 team in high school through what I the 162 00:06:00,570 --> 00:06:02,250 speaking that I did in college and even 163 00:06:02,250 --> 00:06:04,950 early in my career to today, is that what I 164 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:08,440 call my life hack was to become a speaker? 165 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,500 This way, when I was at an event, people 166 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:14,110 would come up and talk to me because I had 167 00:06:14,110 --> 00:06:15,910 the little name badge on that, said speaker. 168 00:06:15,910 --> 00:06:17,410 So a lot of people want to talk to the 169 00:06:17,410 --> 00:06:20,170 speaker there before or after, so I didn't 170 00:06:20,170 --> 00:06:23,350 have to be the one to break the ice, because 171 00:06:23,350 --> 00:06:26,200 networking situations feel very awkward and 172 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,370 uncomfortable to me. 173 00:06:27,370 --> 00:06:30,040 And so I didn't like to have to to go into 174 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,120 those situations. 175 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,020 I've gotten much better at it over the 176 00:06:33,020 --> 00:06:35,270 years, although I still don't love it. 177 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:36,980 So, Diane, number one, can you relate? 178 00:06:36,980 --> 00:06:40,640 And number two, why becoming a speaker fit 179 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,020 with you as an introvert? 180 00:06:42,020 --> 00:06:43,880 Diane Diaz: Yes. Now I can 100% relate with that. 181 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,640 Carol. Um, and I think, you know, I was 182 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,830 painfully shy when I was young, bit 183 00:06:48,830 --> 00:06:51,020 painfully shy, literally scared of my own 184 00:06:51,020 --> 00:06:53,390 shadow, and didn't not want to be noticed. 185 00:06:53,390 --> 00:06:55,460 I wanted to just fly under the radar. 186 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:57,540 But I will say that I did start to come out 187 00:06:57,540 --> 00:07:01,890 of my shell, probably in my early 20s. 188 00:07:01,890 --> 00:07:04,530 When I was in college, I started working at 189 00:07:04,530 --> 00:07:07,620 a grocery store as a cashier, and so it was 190 00:07:07,620 --> 00:07:11,400 sort of a nice fix for my shyness, because 191 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,440 the policy of the store was that you had to 192 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,050 talk to every customer. So it wasn't that I 193 00:07:16,050 --> 00:07:18,510 wanted to, it's just that I had to write. 194 00:07:18,510 --> 00:07:20,130 So it kind of forced me. 195 00:07:20,130 --> 00:07:22,150 And then when I mean running the cash 196 00:07:22,150 --> 00:07:24,010 register, someone's coming through my line. 197 00:07:24,010 --> 00:07:25,930 They usually initiate the conversation, 198 00:07:25,930 --> 00:07:27,940 which is great. I don't have to initiate it. 199 00:07:27,940 --> 00:07:31,120 Right. So it sort of forced me to start to 200 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,620 talk to people more and come a little bit 201 00:07:32,620 --> 00:07:34,390 out of my shell. I'm still an introvert. 202 00:07:34,390 --> 00:07:36,340 I can definitely relate to that. 203 00:07:36,340 --> 00:07:39,280 But then as far as speaking goes, I think 204 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:44,500 that for me, speaking is a way of sharing a 205 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:47,090 message without, you know, there's a purpose 206 00:07:47,090 --> 00:07:48,590 to it, right? So when you're asked to speak 207 00:07:48,590 --> 00:07:50,900 somewhere, you're there for a reason. 208 00:07:50,900 --> 00:07:53,210 So you're not just randomly talking to 209 00:07:53,210 --> 00:07:55,340 people. You're there for a reason. 210 00:07:55,340 --> 00:07:56,660 People want to hear from you. 211 00:07:56,660 --> 00:07:57,830 They've literally asked you to come there 212 00:07:57,830 --> 00:08:00,590 and share. And so I feel much more 213 00:08:00,590 --> 00:08:01,910 comfortable in that environment. 214 00:08:01,910 --> 00:08:04,040 I feel comfortable on stage speaking, more 215 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,810 comfortable there than I do, actually just 216 00:08:05,810 --> 00:08:07,040 going to networking events. 217 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,630 So I'd much rather be the one on the stage 218 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,510 because again, there's a purpose now going 219 00:08:12,510 --> 00:08:14,820 to events, I have gotten more comfortable. 220 00:08:14,820 --> 00:08:16,230 Like you said, there's certain events I 221 00:08:16,230 --> 00:08:18,060 like. I've gotten more comfortable doing 222 00:08:18,060 --> 00:08:20,100 that. There are strategies for that, which 223 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:23,130 I'm sure we'll get to. But, um, I definitely 224 00:08:23,130 --> 00:08:25,170 think that speaking is I think it's 225 00:08:25,170 --> 00:08:27,270 especially good for introverts because it 226 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:29,220 does give you a purpose for what you're 227 00:08:29,220 --> 00:08:31,020 saying. And so it doesn't feel as 228 00:08:31,020 --> 00:08:33,540 uncomfortable as just randomly walking up to 229 00:08:33,540 --> 00:08:35,020 someone and starting to talk to them. 230 00:08:35,980 --> 00:08:38,170 Carol Cox: Oh yes, I really like this idea of purpose. 231 00:08:38,170 --> 00:08:40,330 It also makes me think of that we feel like 232 00:08:40,330 --> 00:08:42,910 we have a role at that event, so we don't 233 00:08:42,910 --> 00:08:44,770 feel like we're just floating there, kind of 234 00:08:44,770 --> 00:08:46,060 like, okay, we're supposed to chat with 235 00:08:46,060 --> 00:08:48,010 people, but we don't really know why or what 236 00:08:48,010 --> 00:08:49,630 they're gonna or like, why do they want to 237 00:08:49,630 --> 00:08:51,220 talk to us? What am I going to say to them? 238 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:52,270 Like small talk. 239 00:08:52,270 --> 00:08:53,740 It feels awkward. So it's like, okay, we 240 00:08:53,740 --> 00:08:55,690 have a role, we have a purpose for being 241 00:08:55,690 --> 00:08:58,190 here, and we know, we know what our role is. 242 00:08:58,190 --> 00:09:00,290 And I think maybe it's the undefined nature 243 00:09:00,290 --> 00:09:02,270 of just networking events that makes us less 244 00:09:02,270 --> 00:09:03,020 comfortable. Yes. 245 00:09:03,020 --> 00:09:05,630 Diane Diaz: And when I'm the speaker, even if I get there 246 00:09:05,630 --> 00:09:07,280 ahead of time and I might be networking 247 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,740 beforehand, it's a nice in because I can 248 00:09:09,740 --> 00:09:10,910 introduce myself and say, oh, I'm the 249 00:09:10,910 --> 00:09:13,100 speaker today, so I don't it isn't about, 250 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:14,870 you know, necessarily what I do or having to 251 00:09:14,870 --> 00:09:16,640 think of something clever to say to them, or 252 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,740 it's just the natural opener, so it feels so 253 00:09:18,740 --> 00:09:19,880 much more comfortable. 254 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:21,980 Carol Cox: Yes. All right. 255 00:09:21,990 --> 00:09:23,550 Yeah. So for those of you listening again, 256 00:09:23,550 --> 00:09:25,650 if as an introvert, just think about being a 257 00:09:25,650 --> 00:09:27,090 speaker gives you that role. 258 00:09:27,090 --> 00:09:28,860 And if you're if you're going to an event 259 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:31,080 and you're not a speaker, still go to events 260 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,130 again, we'll talk about some more 261 00:09:32,130 --> 00:09:35,370 strategies. But maybe either volunteer for 262 00:09:35,370 --> 00:09:37,080 that event so that you have a role as a 263 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,630 volunteer, as a as a guide, as someone who's 264 00:09:39,630 --> 00:09:41,610 helping to set up or to greet people. 265 00:09:41,610 --> 00:09:44,160 So I think also giving yourself a role 266 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,750 either explicitly through that organization 267 00:09:46,750 --> 00:09:49,060 or even just in your mind and tell yourself, 268 00:09:49,060 --> 00:09:50,410 oh, I'm the welcome committee. 269 00:09:50,410 --> 00:09:52,060 And they may not know that, but if you tell 270 00:09:52,060 --> 00:09:54,160 yourself that, that can also help. 271 00:09:54,610 --> 00:09:55,600 Diane Diaz: Absolutely. 272 00:09:56,170 --> 00:09:58,690 Carol Cox: Okay. So let's just briefly talk about what 273 00:09:58,690 --> 00:10:00,850 introversion is and what extroversion is. 274 00:10:00,850 --> 00:10:02,230 So we kind of understand what this is. 275 00:10:02,230 --> 00:10:04,630 So not does not mean that you're shy if 276 00:10:04,630 --> 00:10:06,130 you're an introvert. Now you could be an 277 00:10:06,130 --> 00:10:08,500 introvert and shy at the same time, but it 278 00:10:08,500 --> 00:10:10,490 doesn't necessarily mean the same thing. 279 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,020 Oh, this reminds me. So I was just at an 280 00:10:12,020 --> 00:10:14,930 event recently and it was about a half day 281 00:10:14,930 --> 00:10:16,790 event. So they had a variety of speakers, 282 00:10:16,790 --> 00:10:19,100 and there was one guy who was speaking 283 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:21,380 towards the end, and he was very warm and 284 00:10:21,380 --> 00:10:22,400 and great message. 285 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,620 A good speaker like had great stories. 286 00:10:24,620 --> 00:10:25,700 That's what made him a great speaker, 287 00:10:25,700 --> 00:10:26,930 because he had good stories. 288 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:28,760 And he said at one point he's like, you know 289 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,290 what? I'm an introvert. 290 00:10:30,290 --> 00:10:32,270 I'm standing here in front of you all, but 291 00:10:32,270 --> 00:10:33,380 I'm an introvert. 292 00:10:33,380 --> 00:10:36,150 And that just means that when I'm done here 293 00:10:36,150 --> 00:10:38,580 today, I'm going to go have some alone time 294 00:10:38,580 --> 00:10:40,410 so I can recharge, he said. 295 00:10:40,410 --> 00:10:42,810 It doesn't mean that I'm socially inept just 296 00:10:42,810 --> 00:10:44,070 because I'm an introvert. 297 00:10:44,070 --> 00:10:46,470 It just means that I need that alone time 298 00:10:46,470 --> 00:10:48,300 either in beforehand and after hand. 299 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:50,220 And so that's really what introversion 300 00:10:50,220 --> 00:10:54,180 means, is that we gain energy being by 301 00:10:54,180 --> 00:10:56,220 ourselves. And so we need to make sure that 302 00:10:56,220 --> 00:10:58,470 we're we're giving ourselves that space. 303 00:10:58,470 --> 00:11:00,940 And sometimes we find a lot of social 304 00:11:00,940 --> 00:11:03,910 interactions or a lot of social simulation 305 00:11:03,910 --> 00:11:06,700 draining. If we don't have that balance with 306 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:09,580 that alone. Time versus extroverts tend to 307 00:11:09,580 --> 00:11:12,280 gain energy from social interactions and a 308 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,430 lot of social stimulation, and they may find 309 00:11:15,430 --> 00:11:16,540 being alone draining. 310 00:11:16,540 --> 00:11:18,160 So that's the difference there between 311 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,230 introversion and extroversion. 312 00:11:20,230 --> 00:11:21,730 So it doesn't necessarily mean that we're 313 00:11:21,730 --> 00:11:23,750 socially inept, although sometimes I feel 314 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:28,610 that way. It depends on the event. 315 00:11:28,610 --> 00:11:31,190 And so the other thing that I thought was 316 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:32,570 interesting about introverts, because I was 317 00:11:32,570 --> 00:11:34,580 doing some research for this episode, is 318 00:11:34,580 --> 00:11:37,490 that sometimes introverts do tend to get 319 00:11:37,490 --> 00:11:40,550 more performance anxiety before speaking at 320 00:11:40,550 --> 00:11:42,560 events and extroverts, perhaps, again 321 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:44,690 because of that social simulation. 322 00:11:44,690 --> 00:11:46,790 So that's something to keep in mind. 323 00:11:47,290 --> 00:11:49,960 And so and the other thing is that and I 324 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,480 think, Diane, we have found this for sure in 325 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,580 the the different presentations and talks 326 00:11:54,580 --> 00:11:56,680 that we've delivered over the years, and 327 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:58,810 even with the the way that we run our 328 00:11:58,810 --> 00:12:00,670 thought leader Academy and our in the client 329 00:12:00,670 --> 00:12:03,580 work we do is that we really prefer deep 330 00:12:03,910 --> 00:12:06,850 conversations. We really prefer going in 331 00:12:06,850 --> 00:12:08,800 depth on topics versus kind of more 332 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,420 superficial. We like meaningful 333 00:12:10,420 --> 00:12:13,180 conversations, and this is why we talk a lot 334 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:15,550 about making sure you have those stories in 335 00:12:15,550 --> 00:12:17,440 your talks and that emotional message, and 336 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,730 that you're going deep in your thought 337 00:12:18,730 --> 00:12:20,830 leadership message and not just doing the 338 00:12:20,830 --> 00:12:23,590 superficial. And I don't know, Diane, have 339 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:25,630 you found the same just, you know, in the 340 00:12:25,630 --> 00:12:27,160 work that we do with our clients as well 341 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,380 about this preference for deep, meaningful 342 00:12:29,500 --> 00:12:30,220 content? 343 00:12:30,220 --> 00:12:33,340 Diane Diaz: Absolutely. Because I feel like that speaks 344 00:12:33,340 --> 00:12:34,780 to that kind of that purpose. 345 00:12:34,780 --> 00:12:36,710 Again, the purpose for the work that you do. 346 00:12:36,710 --> 00:12:39,560 Right. And so if it if it is, you know, 347 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:43,100 working with hundreds of or thousands of 348 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:45,770 clients just on a very superficial level and 349 00:12:45,770 --> 00:12:48,320 never really digging into it, I'm sure that 350 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,260 can be great. But for me, it's not as 351 00:12:51,260 --> 00:12:54,740 fulfilling and doesn't tap into that need 352 00:12:54,740 --> 00:12:56,570 for making a deeper connection with the 353 00:12:56,570 --> 00:12:58,430 person kind of on a one on one basis. 354 00:12:58,430 --> 00:13:00,280 So I love that the work that we do 355 00:13:00,460 --> 00:13:02,620 incorporates both a group dynamic and then 356 00:13:02,620 --> 00:13:04,720 a, you know, individual one on one dynamic, 357 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,340 because then we get the opportunity to dig 358 00:13:06,340 --> 00:13:09,310 in deeper. And I always enjoy. 359 00:13:09,430 --> 00:13:12,460 It's so interesting to me, and maybe partly 360 00:13:12,460 --> 00:13:14,050 because I am an introvert, to learn about 361 00:13:14,050 --> 00:13:16,630 what other people do and what you know, the 362 00:13:16,630 --> 00:13:17,890 work they do. And I've worked with some 363 00:13:17,890 --> 00:13:20,800 clients on their VIP days that had some jobs 364 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,890 that I would never, ever even remotely as 365 00:13:23,890 --> 00:13:25,660 hard as I tried to ever be qualified to do. 366 00:13:25,660 --> 00:13:27,340 And it took me, I actually would do homework 367 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:29,380 just to understand what they do because I, I 368 00:13:29,380 --> 00:13:31,600 like to understand it and it's complicated 369 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,150 stuff. So I just find that fascinating. 370 00:13:34,150 --> 00:13:36,430 And then it really makes me feel more 371 00:13:36,430 --> 00:13:39,910 connected to them and like I'm better able 372 00:13:39,910 --> 00:13:41,890 to help them, which fulfills me. 373 00:13:41,890 --> 00:13:43,630 Right? So it does. 374 00:13:43,630 --> 00:13:45,400 You know, I don't need to be the expert on 375 00:13:45,430 --> 00:13:47,020 that, but I can learn about it and then help 376 00:13:47,020 --> 00:13:48,280 them look like the expert on it. 377 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,360 Right? So I just love that deeper feeling. 378 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,240 And I think it is part of that introversion. 379 00:13:54,620 --> 00:13:57,650 Carol Cox: And that reminds also brings to mind that as 380 00:13:57,650 --> 00:13:59,210 introverts, and I think this is what makes 381 00:13:59,210 --> 00:14:01,760 us great speakers and great leaders, is that 382 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,340 we are very keen observers. 383 00:14:04,340 --> 00:14:06,080 I think that's part of the nature of being 384 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,390 introverts. So we tend to be quieter. 385 00:14:08,390 --> 00:14:09,980 In a sense. I think it's because we're 386 00:14:09,980 --> 00:14:12,470 observing a lot of what's going on around us 387 00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:13,550 and kind of processing it. 388 00:14:13,550 --> 00:14:14,930 And so to your point, when we work with our 389 00:14:14,930 --> 00:14:17,720 clients in that one on one VIP day, we get 390 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:20,630 we spend three hours, 3.5 hours with them, 391 00:14:20,630 --> 00:14:22,580 just asking them questions, talking through 392 00:14:22,580 --> 00:14:25,220 ideas, kind of getting their all their ideas 393 00:14:25,220 --> 00:14:27,140 in a coherent message for them. 394 00:14:27,140 --> 00:14:29,600 And we have to be really great listeners. 395 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,490 In order to do that. We have to observe. 396 00:14:31,490 --> 00:14:33,140 We have to kind of step back and see the 397 00:14:33,140 --> 00:14:35,330 bigger idea of all the things that they're 398 00:14:35,330 --> 00:14:37,170 sharing with us and then by extension, as 399 00:14:37,170 --> 00:14:38,940 speakers, when we're in front of an 400 00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:41,000 audience, whether it's an audience of 20 or 401 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,960 30 people or even an audience of several 402 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,540 hundred people, I feel like as introverts, 403 00:14:45,540 --> 00:14:48,210 we're good at observing the dynamics of the 404 00:14:48,210 --> 00:14:50,070 audience, the energy of the audience, you 405 00:14:50,070 --> 00:14:51,960 know, kind of what's going on, what do they 406 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,600 need to how do we need to adjust in the 407 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,490 moment in order to serve the audience that 408 00:14:56,490 --> 00:14:57,120 we're in front of? 409 00:14:57,150 --> 00:14:58,350 Diane Diaz: Yes, I agree with that. 410 00:14:58,350 --> 00:14:59,910 I wonder too, and I don't have any research 411 00:14:59,910 --> 00:15:01,450 to back this up, but I would be curious to 412 00:15:01,450 --> 00:15:05,710 know if most introverts are, um, have a lot 413 00:15:05,710 --> 00:15:08,860 of empathic ability like pick up on because 414 00:15:08,860 --> 00:15:12,280 I feel like I pick up on energy in the room. 415 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,190 I pick up on just energy when I'm talking to 416 00:15:15,190 --> 00:15:17,290 a person. And so and I think that from an 417 00:15:17,290 --> 00:15:18,640 introvert standpoint, I think that's part of 418 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,190 what can exhaust me as an introvert is the 419 00:15:21,190 --> 00:15:22,660 fact that I'm picking up on things that 420 00:15:22,660 --> 00:15:24,700 other people may never even pick up on, so 421 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:26,780 I'm picking up on so much more, and it's 422 00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:28,250 feels like a job, right? 423 00:15:28,250 --> 00:15:30,140 Sometimes it feels like a job because I have 424 00:15:30,140 --> 00:15:32,690 to be aware, like my my spidey senses are 425 00:15:32,690 --> 00:15:34,580 always going off about not necessarily bad 426 00:15:34,580 --> 00:15:35,900 things, but just like everything, right? 427 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,970 So I'm, I'm picking up on interactions 428 00:15:37,970 --> 00:15:39,650 between other people that I'm not even part 429 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:41,630 of the energy of the room, the energy of 430 00:15:41,630 --> 00:15:43,820 the, the organizer, everything. 431 00:15:43,820 --> 00:15:46,040 And so but I do think that that makes for a 432 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,170 really engaging speaker. 433 00:15:49,140 --> 00:15:52,230 Carol Cox: Yes. Oh, that is so true about just like we 434 00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:53,820 almost can't help it, but like our brains 435 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:55,980 are process constantly processing what is 436 00:15:55,980 --> 00:15:58,110 going on around us with the people that 437 00:15:58,110 --> 00:15:59,340 we're interacting with directly. 438 00:15:59,340 --> 00:16:02,100 But even this people all around, I remember 439 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:03,870 when I was in fifth grade, so this was, you 440 00:16:03,870 --> 00:16:06,540 know, last year of elementary school and in 441 00:16:06,540 --> 00:16:08,340 our fifth grade classroom, we would have 442 00:16:08,340 --> 00:16:10,380 like four students to a big desk, right? 443 00:16:10,380 --> 00:16:11,670 We each have like our little desk with a 444 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:13,650 little like drawer that we could put stuff 445 00:16:13,660 --> 00:16:15,910 in, right? So we can picture it in my mind 446 00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:19,450 and I and, you know, and I and I love school 447 00:16:19,450 --> 00:16:20,650 like you did Diane. Right. 448 00:16:20,650 --> 00:16:22,600 Like it was, you know, this place where I, 449 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,640 you know, we felt like we could be ourselves 450 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,680 and and have that sense of, you know, safety 451 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:27,850 and curiosity and all of that. 452 00:16:27,850 --> 00:16:29,950 But I remember so again, I love to read. 453 00:16:29,950 --> 00:16:31,540 I think introverts also like to read because 454 00:16:31,540 --> 00:16:32,770 it gives us that alone time. 455 00:16:32,770 --> 00:16:35,080 So during breaks between stuff, I would 456 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,340 often be reading a book. 457 00:16:36,340 --> 00:16:37,510 No, no surprise. 458 00:16:37,510 --> 00:16:39,420 And of course I had friends that I would 459 00:16:39,420 --> 00:16:40,740 chat with them, but I probably really 460 00:16:40,740 --> 00:16:42,570 preferred the book. But one time my teacher, 461 00:16:42,570 --> 00:16:45,240 his name is Mr. Johnson, said to me, he's 462 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,180 like, Carol. He's like, I can tell you, you 463 00:16:48,180 --> 00:16:51,060 know exactly what is going on with every 464 00:16:51,060 --> 00:16:52,740 single kid in this classroom. 465 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,350 You know, all the social dynamics, you know 466 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:57,360 who is friends with who you know, you know, 467 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,310 you know everything. Because I can see how 468 00:16:59,310 --> 00:17:00,600 observant you are. 469 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,510 And I never and I said, that has stuck with 470 00:17:03,510 --> 00:17:05,280 me to this day. And I think you do the same 471 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:05,460 thing. 472 00:17:05,790 --> 00:17:07,650 Diane Diaz: Oh, for sure, I can. 473 00:17:07,650 --> 00:17:12,000 I have such sensitive intuition about people 474 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,980 that, you know, any time in my life when 475 00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:15,570 I've met a new person or someone's 476 00:17:15,570 --> 00:17:18,450 introduced me to somebody, you know, if I've 477 00:17:18,450 --> 00:17:21,030 picked up a weird vibe it all, I would say 478 00:17:21,030 --> 00:17:22,440 99.9% of the time. 479 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,140 I am correct about whatever the vibe is that 480 00:17:25,140 --> 00:17:27,650 I get about a person, and so it's great. 481 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:29,900 But again, it is also very exhausting 482 00:17:29,900 --> 00:17:32,300 because it's just constantly, constantly 483 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:34,340 filtering, you know, data coming in. 484 00:17:34,340 --> 00:17:36,560 So sometimes I'd like to turn that off. 485 00:17:37,250 --> 00:17:38,120 Yeah. Yeah. 486 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:39,590 Carol Cox: Really. And then, you know, again, think 487 00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:41,510 about not only as speakers but as leaders. 488 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:43,790 If you're leading a team within your own 489 00:17:43,790 --> 00:17:45,470 company or a team, if you work for a 490 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:46,790 company, you have a team that you're 491 00:17:46,790 --> 00:17:48,860 responsible for or colleagues think about. 492 00:17:48,860 --> 00:17:51,020 As an introvert, you may not be the loudest 493 00:17:51,020 --> 00:17:53,450 person in the room or the rah rah person in 494 00:17:53,450 --> 00:17:56,090 the room, but you probably really understand 495 00:17:56,090 --> 00:17:58,580 those team members and what motivates them, 496 00:17:58,580 --> 00:18:00,740 you know, or what what they need in order to 497 00:18:00,740 --> 00:18:03,740 perform better and really, truly using those 498 00:18:03,740 --> 00:18:06,620 listening skills and observation skills to 499 00:18:06,620 --> 00:18:08,210 help them to do that. 500 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,670 So, Diane, you mentioned also earlier, which 501 00:18:10,670 --> 00:18:13,070 I thought was really fascinating about when 502 00:18:13,070 --> 00:18:14,180 we were talking about this. 503 00:18:14,210 --> 00:18:16,920 We prefer deep, meaningful conversations and 504 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,840 content, whether it's presentations we're 505 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,100 delivering, the work that we're doing with 506 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,260 our clients. And then I think about social 507 00:18:22,260 --> 00:18:26,340 media and how much we don't enjoy social 508 00:18:26,340 --> 00:18:28,800 media. We use LinkedIn because it is very 509 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,040 much a professional network whose algorithms 510 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,510 do not prioritize extroversion. 511 00:18:36,750 --> 00:18:38,580 Let's say it that way. Think about Instagram 512 00:18:38,590 --> 00:18:40,540 Reels TikTok, right? 513 00:18:40,540 --> 00:18:42,820 I think that's why those have never taken 514 00:18:42,820 --> 00:18:44,380 for us. Why we don't like. 515 00:18:44,380 --> 00:18:47,170 Sure. Could I force myself to create content 516 00:18:47,170 --> 00:18:49,360 for it? Maybe for a week, but I probably 517 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,610 wouldn't keep up with it because it truly 518 00:18:51,610 --> 00:18:53,440 doesn't feel authentic to me. 519 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,030 And I've always wondered over the years, 520 00:18:55,030 --> 00:18:56,530 like, why can't I just do this? 521 00:18:56,530 --> 00:18:58,240 Why can't I just be like, quote everyone 522 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,670 else and just get this content done? 523 00:19:00,670 --> 00:19:02,500 But I can't, and I think maybe it's because 524 00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:03,160 we're introverts. 525 00:19:03,170 --> 00:19:04,610 Diane Diaz: 100% agree with that. 526 00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:08,330 It feels very it's almost like for me trying 527 00:19:08,330 --> 00:19:10,040 to speak a different language, I don't, I 528 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,920 don't, I don't know how to do it. 529 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,250 And I am almost resistant to wanting to 530 00:19:16,250 --> 00:19:17,660 learn. I actually do want to learn another 531 00:19:17,660 --> 00:19:20,810 language, but but learning how to do TikTok 532 00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:22,910 or learning, you know, how to leverage 533 00:19:22,910 --> 00:19:25,880 Instagram. I'm like, it feels really 534 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,020 inauthentic for me. 535 00:19:27,020 --> 00:19:29,250 It feels it just feels like I would have to 536 00:19:29,250 --> 00:19:31,230 be someone else. And I don't want to do 537 00:19:31,230 --> 00:19:33,600 that. I don't want to not be myself. 538 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,480 Carol Cox: Yeah. So for those of you listening, if you 539 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,580 are also an introvert and you feel like us 540 00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:40,620 where you've tried social media and it just 541 00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:42,930 doesn't feel right, you know, give yourself 542 00:19:42,930 --> 00:19:44,940 permission that it may not be the right 543 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:45,990 channel for you. 544 00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:48,030 And that is okay. 545 00:19:48,030 --> 00:19:49,950 We don't have to do what everyone says we're 546 00:19:49,950 --> 00:19:52,030 supposed to do or we think we're supposed to 547 00:19:52,030 --> 00:19:54,790 do. But if you enjoy public speaking again, 548 00:19:54,790 --> 00:19:57,310 because it's like, even if you're an 549 00:19:57,310 --> 00:20:00,370 audience of 5 or 600 people, it still feels 550 00:20:00,370 --> 00:20:02,740 more intimate and more of a direct 551 00:20:02,740 --> 00:20:05,590 connection than an Instagram feed or a 552 00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:06,730 TikTok feed. Does. 553 00:20:06,730 --> 00:20:09,460 I mean, Diane, I've spoken to audiences of 554 00:20:09,460 --> 00:20:13,090 over 500. I know you have as well, and we 555 00:20:13,090 --> 00:20:14,470 can still do it. And it doesn't. 556 00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:17,060 It still feel much more connective than 557 00:20:17,060 --> 00:20:18,590 anything that we've put on social media. 558 00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:21,800 Diane Diaz: It feels so intimate because, you know, I, 559 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,140 I'm speaking to this huge group of mostly 560 00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:27,680 people that I don't know, and yet somehow I 561 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,540 feel connected to them because, well, I 562 00:20:29,540 --> 00:20:31,040 guess because they're all looking at me. 563 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,420 I'm up there and I'm speaking and they're 564 00:20:32,420 --> 00:20:34,190 all looking at me, and I feel a 565 00:20:34,190 --> 00:20:36,800 responsibility to share something with them 566 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:37,970 that's meaningful. 567 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:39,830 You know, they've given their time to me, 568 00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:41,220 and now I want to give something back to 569 00:20:41,220 --> 00:20:43,860 them. And it feels like an intimate exchange 570 00:20:43,860 --> 00:20:46,200 in that way. And I like I like that I'd 571 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,140 always the other thing is that that speaking 572 00:20:49,140 --> 00:20:51,060 engagement is that one moment in time, 573 00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:54,210 whereas Instagram just keeps going and 574 00:20:54,210 --> 00:20:55,410 TikTok just keeps going. 575 00:20:55,410 --> 00:20:57,180 And you can never be up to date on anything 576 00:20:57,180 --> 00:20:59,910 because it's just constantly changing. 577 00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:01,740 Right? But that the speaking engagement that 578 00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:03,360 you do is that one moment in time, that's 579 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:04,750 the only time that that happens. 580 00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:06,430 And sure, they might have a replay video or 581 00:21:06,430 --> 00:21:08,680 whatever, but everybody's there in that one 582 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,570 moment together. That's what feels so 583 00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:11,500 intimate to me. 584 00:21:12,370 --> 00:21:13,720 Carol Cox: Oh yes, that's a great point. 585 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,000 This is also why I love podcasting and why I 586 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,950 decided to start a podcast all those years 587 00:21:17,950 --> 00:21:20,470 ago, and why we both enjoy either 588 00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:22,510 interviewing people on this podcast or being 589 00:21:22,510 --> 00:21:23,680 guests on other podcasts. 590 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,120 Because number one, we're having a one on 591 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:27,790 one conversation live and, you know, with 592 00:21:27,790 --> 00:21:29,060 with the other person. 593 00:21:29,060 --> 00:21:31,790 But then also podcasting by its very nature 594 00:21:31,790 --> 00:21:34,280 is an intimate medium because you're just 595 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,540 listening in your ears. 596 00:21:35,540 --> 00:21:37,220 You're not distracted by a whole lot of 597 00:21:37,220 --> 00:21:38,270 other visuals. 598 00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:40,490 Diane Diaz: Oh yes, I love podcasting for that reason. 599 00:21:40,490 --> 00:21:43,190 I think, you know, I think for any, any 600 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:45,710 introverts who are listening, in addition to 601 00:21:45,710 --> 00:21:47,840 speaking, starting a podcast could be a 602 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,070 really great way to get your message out 603 00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:52,280 because it is very intimate and yet you, as 604 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,550 the introvert, have the control over what 605 00:21:54,550 --> 00:21:55,630 the message is. 606 00:21:55,630 --> 00:21:57,760 Speak directly to your audience directly in 607 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,340 their ears, and it is very engaging. 608 00:22:01,210 --> 00:22:03,220 Carol Cox: And that's one of the tips that we have for 609 00:22:03,220 --> 00:22:05,320 you to develop your speaking skills as an 610 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,420 introvert is definitely guest on podcasts. 611 00:22:07,420 --> 00:22:10,120 Consider hosting your own podcast. 612 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:11,260 I have thought about it, Diane. 613 00:22:11,260 --> 00:22:12,970 Through all of the group programs and the 614 00:22:12,970 --> 00:22:14,980 Thought Leader Academy we've run, we have 615 00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:18,610 probably midwifed been godmothers to maybe 616 00:22:18,610 --> 00:22:21,520 ten podcasts that clients have started, you 617 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,590 know, with our encouragement and like, we're 618 00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:25,720 not podcast producers, so we don't do the 619 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,520 technical like, you know, they find the 620 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,590 people for that. But we have definitely 621 00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:32,230 helped give them the inspiration and the 622 00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:34,240 support to go put themselves out there as 623 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,340 podcast hosts. And I am so I'm so, oh, I 624 00:22:36,340 --> 00:22:36,520 know. 625 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,290 Diane Diaz: That's so nice to be connected to that idea. 626 00:22:38,290 --> 00:22:39,070 I love it. 627 00:22:39,940 --> 00:22:41,600 Carol Cox: So the other thing that do develop your 628 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,730 speaking skills is to challenge yourself 629 00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:45,410 with different types of speaking. 630 00:22:45,410 --> 00:22:47,540 And this is not necessarily easy because 631 00:22:47,540 --> 00:22:50,180 once we like master one type, we just want 632 00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:52,460 to again, just be comfortable and and stay 633 00:22:52,460 --> 00:22:54,980 there. If you really are comfortable with 634 00:22:54,980 --> 00:22:58,160 very prepared speaking, challenge yourself 635 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,870 with more impromptu speaking. 636 00:22:59,870 --> 00:23:01,760 I did an episode all about impromptu 637 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,220 speaking skills back in episode 390. 638 00:23:04,220 --> 00:23:06,720 So do that also Also, if you tend to do long 639 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,120 presentations like you like the hour or so, 640 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,550 try experimenting with shorter presentations 641 00:23:11,550 --> 00:23:14,220 vice versa. If you tend to like shorter, try 642 00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:15,300 longer or workshops. 643 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:17,190 So get yourself a little bit out of the 644 00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:19,890 comfort zone to start practicing with these 645 00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:21,120 different types of speaking. 646 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,550 The other thing to do is LinkedIn lives. 647 00:23:23,550 --> 00:23:25,890 Now that does incorporate video as well as 648 00:23:25,890 --> 00:23:28,890 obviously audio, but it's a great way to 649 00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:31,150 just get yourself over the hump of 650 00:23:31,150 --> 00:23:34,090 especially video content and invite someone 651 00:23:34,090 --> 00:23:35,350 to be on the LinkedIn live with you. 652 00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:37,060 It's so much easier to have a conversation 653 00:23:37,060 --> 00:23:38,650 or interview them than to just sit there and 654 00:23:38,650 --> 00:23:39,910 stare at the camera by yourself. 655 00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:41,380 Diane Diaz: Yes, 100% agree with that. 656 00:23:41,380 --> 00:23:43,120 You know, I think the thing too, that I like 657 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,490 about LinkedIn lives is that and this speaks 658 00:23:45,490 --> 00:23:48,490 to how we kind of operate as introverts is. 659 00:23:48,490 --> 00:23:49,840 And I've always been like this. 660 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,240 I would much rather be part of a socially 661 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,400 part of some small group get together, 662 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,400 versus I don't really enjoy large group 663 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,970 events or get togethers socially, because 664 00:24:00,970 --> 00:24:02,800 they just do feel so overwhelming for me. 665 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,050 But I if somebody is like, oh, meet me and a 666 00:24:05,050 --> 00:24:06,880 couple of my friends. Yeah, I love to do 667 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,520 that because it does feel more manageable 668 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,500 for me from an energy standpoint, and it's 669 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:13,480 more intimate. And I think LinkedIn lives 670 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,530 are like that as well. 671 00:24:14,530 --> 00:24:17,260 It's like a little intimate presentation. 672 00:24:17,260 --> 00:24:20,390 And it's not like the TikTok and Instagram 673 00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:23,420 where it's you have to just do a ton of 674 00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:25,370 content. No, you just create the one 675 00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:27,260 LinkedIn live or you do them once a week, 676 00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:29,510 once a month, whatever the frequency is. 677 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:31,760 And you still get the ability to put content 678 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,130 out there, but it's it's in a controlled way 679 00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:37,280 that can, you know, fit with whatever your 680 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,530 style is. As an introvert, I like that. 681 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:42,660 Carol Cox: Yeah, I so do I, and this is why when our 682 00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:44,580 thought Leader Academy clients are getting 683 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:46,560 ready to graduate, we have them do a 684 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,480 LinkedIn live where we host it, and then 685 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,160 they deliver about ten minutes of the 686 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,530 signature talk that they worked on with us, 687 00:24:52,530 --> 00:24:54,690 because we want the number one to have a 688 00:24:54,690 --> 00:24:57,270 deadline to put to actually deliver part of 689 00:24:57,270 --> 00:24:59,550 the signature talk, but then also to give 690 00:24:59,550 --> 00:25:01,560 them the practice to be on something like a 691 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,880 LinkedIn live, if they haven't had much 692 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,710 experience with that either. 693 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:06,680 So we've done some of those this year. 694 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,600 You can scroll back in your podcast feed and 695 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,310 find those. And then we have some coming up 696 00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:12,560 with our next batch of clients who are 697 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,030 getting ready to graduate. 698 00:25:14,030 --> 00:25:15,980 So Diane, let's talk about some tips for 699 00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:18,260 attending events. You mentioned that larger 700 00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:20,450 events are not quite as appealing to you as 701 00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:21,830 smaller, more intimate events. 702 00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:23,750 I concur 100%. 703 00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:26,180 This is why when we do in-person retreats 704 00:25:26,180 --> 00:25:28,610 and workshops, we limit the number of women 705 00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:31,650 to about 10 to 12 because we like having 706 00:25:31,650 --> 00:25:34,620 that smaller group so that we all feel much 707 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:36,000 more comfortable and we're not, you know, 708 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,740 have like 50 people one time. 709 00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:39,270 I mean, maybe we'll do an event with more 710 00:25:39,270 --> 00:25:40,860 people. But as far as like hands on 711 00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:42,570 coaching, workshops, that kind of thing. 712 00:25:42,570 --> 00:25:44,400 I like the smaller numbers now. 713 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,920 We've attended a lot of events this year. 714 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,860 Everything from, you know, small, maybe 20 715 00:25:49,860 --> 00:25:53,040 people all the way up to probably 200 716 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,550 people. I've been to gala dinners, you know, 717 00:25:56,550 --> 00:25:58,680 with like, a whole ballroom full of people. 718 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,480 I've been to smaller events. 719 00:26:00,510 --> 00:26:01,590 Diane, what about you? 720 00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:03,450 What have you found as far as what you've 721 00:26:03,450 --> 00:26:04,650 learned about yourself? 722 00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:08,640 Diane Diaz: Yes. So I've been to a variety of types of 723 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,150 events as well. And I think my favorite 724 00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:14,430 types are more the lunch and learn styles 725 00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:18,180 for some local group, maybe where it's maybe 726 00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:22,120 it's 60 women, maybe maximum of 100, but 727 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:23,890 maybe like closer to 50 or 60. 728 00:26:23,890 --> 00:26:26,110 And then I feel like it's easy to meet 729 00:26:26,110 --> 00:26:27,310 people and talk to them. 730 00:26:27,310 --> 00:26:29,740 What I find that happens in a much larger 731 00:26:29,740 --> 00:26:33,130 group, say a conference or like a large 732 00:26:33,130 --> 00:26:35,860 event with 600 people in attendance, is 733 00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:38,290 people tend to get in their own little 734 00:26:38,290 --> 00:26:41,260 cliques. And then for me personally, again, 735 00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:43,820 I grew up very shy and didn't have much 736 00:26:43,820 --> 00:26:46,100 growing up. And so I immediately my brain 737 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:49,010 immediately reverts to teenage Diane, who 738 00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:51,230 was shy and felt like she didn't fit in. 739 00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:52,550 And then all of a sudden, I feel like I 740 00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:53,900 don't have anybody to talk to. And I'm like, 741 00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:56,420 great, why? Why did I come to this? 742 00:26:56,420 --> 00:26:57,770 Who am I going to talk to? 743 00:26:57,770 --> 00:26:59,540 Nobody wants to talk to me immediately. 744 00:26:59,540 --> 00:27:01,430 We're my nobody's thinking about me. 745 00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:03,260 But this is what's processing in my head. 746 00:27:03,260 --> 00:27:05,870 Right. And but people do sort of start to 747 00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:07,670 group up in large groups like that. 748 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,290 And it is very hard to break through and 749 00:27:10,290 --> 00:27:12,390 walk up to is so much easier to walk up to 750 00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:14,160 one person at a table or two people at a 751 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,230 table, than to walk up to a group of six 752 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:17,970 women who are chatting together. 753 00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:19,800 And it's really hard to kind of break in 754 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,480 there and tell them who you are and why you 755 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,830 want to. Why do you want to talk to them? 756 00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:25,950 Right. So I much prefer lunch and learns, 757 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,800 um, you know, just any kind of luncheon like 758 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,450 that because they're usually limited in 759 00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:33,640 size. So those types of things are or if a 760 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,530 local woman says, oh, I'm forming this 761 00:27:35,530 --> 00:27:37,960 group. And right now we have like 20 women, 762 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,790 do you want to come to a meetup? 763 00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:42,100 Hunt. Yes, I do want to come to that because 764 00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:43,930 smaller group, I feel more comfortable. 765 00:27:43,930 --> 00:27:46,480 I can I can meet more people at small group 766 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,950 than I can at a conference. 767 00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:50,380 Carol Cox: Yes, I completely agree with you. 768 00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:51,850 It is hard to break in when like there's a 769 00:27:51,850 --> 00:27:53,920 group of 4 or 5 six people all talking 770 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,050 together, and that does tend to happen more 771 00:27:56,050 --> 00:27:57,770 at larger events. 772 00:27:57,770 --> 00:28:01,100 And then and so the other thing is that, you 773 00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:03,410 know, you think about the larger events, and 774 00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:06,170 maybe this is also why larger events are 775 00:28:06,170 --> 00:28:08,060 harder for us, is that I feel like the 776 00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:10,940 agenda sometimes is a little bit fuzzier, 777 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,740 whereas I like to know concrete. 778 00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:14,810 Okay. Like this, like the first half hour is 779 00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:16,250 networking. And then we're going to have a 780 00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:17,930 panel discussion or we're going to have the 781 00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:20,180 speaker. I feel like we like that structure 782 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:22,110 better because then we know what's coming. 783 00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:25,060 And so I will probably show up ten with ten 784 00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:26,850 minutes left of the networking, half an 785 00:28:26,850 --> 00:28:28,350 hour, and maybe not show up at the very 786 00:28:28,350 --> 00:28:30,570 beginning of the networking half hour. 787 00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:32,670 Diane Diaz: Yeah, no that's true. I do like a structure 788 00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:34,590 because and then I like I like the structure 789 00:28:34,590 --> 00:28:36,930 because then I know, okay, here are some 790 00:28:36,930 --> 00:28:39,690 places where I can maybe start talking to 791 00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:41,430 some new people versus just being thrown 792 00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:43,290 into a sea full of people in a conference. 793 00:28:43,290 --> 00:28:45,280 And like, I don't know what to do with this. 794 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,390 It's very hard for me. 795 00:28:47,470 --> 00:28:49,840 Carol Cox: One thing that I, that I did at conferences 796 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,520 before the pandemic, when I would go to a 797 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,770 lot of conferences, is that I would actually 798 00:28:53,890 --> 00:28:56,560 put together a lunch meet up with other 799 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,240 women who I knew were attending that 800 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,010 conference. So I attended some podcasting 801 00:29:00,010 --> 00:29:02,170 conferences, and so I knew a lot of other 802 00:29:02,170 --> 00:29:03,640 fellow women podcasters. 803 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,370 So I would reach out to them, bring together 804 00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:07,390 like 8 or 10 of them. 805 00:29:07,390 --> 00:29:09,660 So I would say, okay, such and such a date. 806 00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:11,430 You know, lunch at the conference is from 12 807 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:13,620 to 1. Here's the restaurant, let's all meet. 808 00:29:13,620 --> 00:29:16,500 And then I had someone to have lunch with 809 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:18,660 for sure. Like I was guaranteed because I 810 00:29:18,660 --> 00:29:20,010 was the one who was scheduling it. 811 00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:21,780 Diane Diaz: I like that because it's also like taking the 812 00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:23,790 conference and breaking it down into a more 813 00:29:23,790 --> 00:29:25,530 manageable size for for you. 814 00:29:25,530 --> 00:29:26,400 I like that. 815 00:29:26,970 --> 00:29:28,710 Carol Cox: Yes. And I loved doing those. 816 00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:30,360 And yeah, I will definitely continue to do 817 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,830 that. So here are some things that you can 818 00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:34,050 do as a as an introvert when attending, 819 00:29:34,170 --> 00:29:35,880 especially conferences where maybe it's 820 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,650 multiple days and it is a large number of 821 00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:40,470 people is connect with some people before 822 00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:43,500 the event. So if you know anyone or if you 823 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:45,180 know somehow you can find on LinkedIn or 824 00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:47,100 other social media, follow a hashtag, see 825 00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:49,020 who else is going and say, hey, would you 826 00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:50,580 like to have lunch together on such and such 827 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:52,500 a date or bring together a few people? 828 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,350 I think that would help a lot to kind of get 829 00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:57,700 over that. That feeling of, you know, what 830 00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:58,840 am I going to do next? 831 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,870 And then, Diane, you mentioned this is that 832 00:30:01,870 --> 00:30:04,180 if there's someone who's by themselves, go 833 00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:05,230 up and talk to them. 834 00:30:05,230 --> 00:30:06,820 And I know you do that quite a bit. 835 00:30:06,820 --> 00:30:09,130 Diane Diaz: Yes. And I part of the reason I do that is 836 00:30:09,130 --> 00:30:11,650 because I am an introvert, but also part of 837 00:30:11,650 --> 00:30:13,690 the reason is because I'm sometimes that one 838 00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:14,920 person standing there by herself. 839 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,510 And I wish somebody would do that for me. 840 00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:19,330 And so I went to a, an event. 841 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,190 It was a local event, but it was kind of on 842 00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:23,060 the large size because it was for a local 843 00:30:23,060 --> 00:30:24,590 chamber, and they were recognizing some 844 00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:25,820 prominent women in the community. 845 00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:28,490 So I would say there had to be at least 500 846 00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:30,440 women there. So it's on the bigger side. 847 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,290 And when I walked in, everybody was formed 848 00:30:33,290 --> 00:30:35,420 up into their little cliques and this very 849 00:30:35,420 --> 00:30:36,680 sort of shishi area. 850 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,170 And, you know, I knew that I was not going 851 00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:40,280 to make my inroads there. 852 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,950 But I saw one young woman sitting on a 853 00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:46,080 little, little sort of bench sofa thing, um, 854 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,460 just sitting there by herself. 855 00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:49,500 And so I kind of looked around and was like, 856 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,960 obviously I'm not going to be able to talk 857 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,460 to these other people. So I just went right 858 00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:56,400 up to her and I said, hi, you look like 859 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,020 you're here by yourself, and I am too. 860 00:30:58,050 --> 00:30:59,220 Would you like to chat? 861 00:30:59,220 --> 00:31:00,930 And then I just sat down on the sofa next to 862 00:31:00,930 --> 00:31:02,970 her and she said, oh, thank God, yes, I 863 00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:05,730 would. And then she even said to me, I think 864 00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:07,560 she was more of an introvert as well, and 865 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,000 said to me, gosh, it's really hard to kind 866 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,680 of get in with these people. 867 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,820 Like they're in all these cliques. 868 00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:14,620 I said, I know, and then, then we just 869 00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:16,060 talked about that, and then we we had a 870 00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:17,980 lovely conversation. We sat together at the 871 00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:20,020 luncheon portion of it, had a lovely 872 00:31:20,020 --> 00:31:22,210 conversation. I went to a couple more things 873 00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:23,350 with her. So I've seen her a couple of 874 00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:26,680 times. That is a great way to meet people. 875 00:31:27,580 --> 00:31:29,650 Carol Cox: Yes, I love that idea because not only are 876 00:31:29,650 --> 00:31:31,000 you doing them a favor, you're. 877 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,460 But hopefully your karma is good and we'll 878 00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:35,100 come back to you. Please. 879 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,550 Diane Diaz: Oh, I hope so. I hope Taylor and Taylor 880 00:31:38,550 --> 00:31:39,660 Swift's right about karma. 881 00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:43,380 Carol Cox: Yes. And for those of you who are extroverts 882 00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:45,240 and as are still listening to this episode, 883 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,830 thank you so much. You are wonderful. 884 00:31:46,830 --> 00:31:48,300 You're wonderful speakers and leaders as 885 00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:50,790 well. But if you see us introverts by 886 00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:52,770 ourselves, please come talk to us. 887 00:31:52,770 --> 00:31:53,670 Diane Diaz: Yes, please. 888 00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:58,320 Carol Cox: Oh all right. So the other thing to do is at 889 00:31:58,740 --> 00:32:00,150 the conference, this is whether you're 890 00:32:00,150 --> 00:32:01,950 speaking or not, but definitely if you're 891 00:32:01,950 --> 00:32:04,560 speaking make sure that you schedule in that 892 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,800 recharge time, that alone time, whether it's 893 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,290 in the morning or at the afternoon break or 894 00:32:10,290 --> 00:32:12,870 before the dinner festivities or whatever it 895 00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:15,450 is. Try not to go back to back to back. 896 00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:17,910 As tempting as it may seem, because you may 897 00:32:17,910 --> 00:32:19,830 be fine doing that for a day, but you 898 00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:22,690 probably will start feeling the consequences 899 00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:24,220 of that by the second or third day. 900 00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:25,750 Diane Diaz: Oh, that is so true. You know, back in my 901 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:29,770 corporate days, it was, you know, when like, 902 00:32:29,770 --> 00:32:31,210 it was just meeting after meeting after 903 00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:33,010 meeting after event after meeting after 904 00:32:33,010 --> 00:32:35,140 event, event event, you know, constantly all 905 00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:36,550 the time, 24 over seven. 906 00:32:36,550 --> 00:32:41,020 And as an introvert, it was not a good space 907 00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:43,210 for me to be in because it does. 908 00:32:43,210 --> 00:32:45,970 It wore me out and I'm not at my best and 909 00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:50,600 I'm also my my patients would get very short 910 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,120 because I was craving some time to just 911 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,610 myself to just decompress from it all and 912 00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:58,640 couldn't get it. And so then I'm irritable 913 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,840 and my energy's gone and I'm like, now I'm 914 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,610 useless to everybody, including myself. 915 00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:07,670 So I think that that method of blocking off 916 00:33:07,670 --> 00:33:10,610 time to recharge is a smart thing to do. 917 00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:14,150 Carol Cox: And also block off time the day after you get 918 00:33:14,150 --> 00:33:15,200 back from a conference. 919 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,520 So say the conference is like a Monday, 920 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,080 Tuesday, Wednesday, and normally you would 921 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,720 have other zoom appointments or other work 922 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,770 on Thursday and Friday. 923 00:33:21,770 --> 00:33:24,140 I recommend blocking those off or just doing 924 00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:26,450 very minimal so that you have that time 925 00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:28,580 coming back. Because weeks ahead of time, as 926 00:33:28,580 --> 00:33:29,570 you're looking at your calendar, you're 927 00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:30,710 like, oh, I'll be fine. 928 00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:32,840 You know, I'll be back from the conference 929 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,820 and I'll, you know, put people in, but don't 930 00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:36,750 because you will you will be glad that you 931 00:33:36,750 --> 00:33:37,980 gave yourself that time. 932 00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:41,370 All right. So then, for those of you who are 933 00:33:41,370 --> 00:33:43,230 interested in working with us, we do have 934 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:45,210 our Thought Leader Academy, which is online. 935 00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:47,400 It's an eight week program that combines 936 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,010 weekly group zoom calls, plus a one on one 937 00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:52,470 virtual VIP day where we work with you to 938 00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:54,180 create your signature talk. 939 00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:56,760 Our enrollment dates are for the remaining 940 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,380 of 2024. Can you believe it? 941 00:33:58,380 --> 00:34:01,060 We have one group that starts in August, and 942 00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:03,310 we have the next group that starts in 943 00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:06,340 October. And then that is it for 2024 until 944 00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:08,200 next year. So if you want to get all the 945 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,940 details about that, you can do so at 946 00:34:09,940 --> 00:34:12,550 speaking your brand Comm Slash Academy. 947 00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:15,370 We're also doing an in-person one day 948 00:34:15,370 --> 00:34:18,350 workshop in Orlando, Florida on October 949 00:34:18,350 --> 00:34:20,650 10th, and that will give you the opportunity 950 00:34:20,650 --> 00:34:23,590 to not only work with us on your talk, but 951 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,750 then also to practice on our stage. 952 00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:28,970 And this is really where we see so many of 953 00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:31,580 our introverted clients come to life, 954 00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:35,150 because we again, being those keen observers 955 00:34:35,150 --> 00:34:37,220 and being coaches and having done this for 956 00:34:37,220 --> 00:34:41,330 so long, we can instantly pick up where they 957 00:34:41,330 --> 00:34:43,700 are limiting themselves and where they need 958 00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:46,640 to break through and what we need to do and 959 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,300 encourage them and help them with their 960 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:51,450 storytelling, especially so that they come 961 00:34:51,450 --> 00:34:52,950 more alive as speakers. 962 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:55,350 Diane Diaz: Yeah, I love that, you know, the in-person 963 00:34:55,350 --> 00:34:57,210 workshop that we're going to do. And anytime 964 00:34:57,210 --> 00:34:58,770 we've done an in-person workshop like this, 965 00:34:58,890 --> 00:35:01,170 like in the past or this upcoming one, 966 00:35:01,170 --> 00:35:03,570 they're so great because we do also keep the 967 00:35:03,570 --> 00:35:06,870 size small, and they're great for introverts 968 00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:08,880 and extroverts. But how many times have we 969 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,610 had clients at a retreat in person where 970 00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:13,360 it's clear that they're an introvert and 971 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,370 they're struggling with movement on the 972 00:35:15,370 --> 00:35:17,320 stage and like how to come across and 973 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,870 feeling uncomfortable, all things that we 974 00:35:19,870 --> 00:35:21,220 completely understand because we've been 975 00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:23,710 there and but they all come to life. 976 00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:27,490 And I think because it is a room full of 977 00:35:27,490 --> 00:35:32,050 accepting, welcoming, understanding women 978 00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:34,030 who get where you're coming from and are 979 00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:35,080 there to support you. 980 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,430 And so it doesn't feel like this huge 981 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:39,740 conference where you're just one of many, 982 00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:42,320 right? You feel cared for, nurtured, 983 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,290 supported. So I if you get a chance to 984 00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:48,080 attend this in-person workshop, I implore 985 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,520 you to do that because you're going to get 986 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,360 so much out of it and a lot of confidence is 987 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,410 going to come from that. 988 00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:57,530 Carol Cox: And here's what I hear from the clients who 989 00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:59,960 attended our other in-person workshops and 990 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,980 retreats. Is that and again, many of them 991 00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:05,400 are introverts and they, after attending and 992 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,070 after the practice time on our stage and our 993 00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:10,620 coaching and our feedback, then they go and 994 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:13,260 they go to their speaking engagements, and 995 00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:14,910 then they get feedback from the audience, 996 00:36:14,910 --> 00:36:16,440 like charismatic. 997 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,750 And they have said to me, Carol, I have 998 00:36:18,750 --> 00:36:21,270 never been called a charismatic speaker, and 999 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:22,890 that's the difference that it makes. 1000 00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:24,270 So you can get the details about this 1001 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:26,020 in-person workshop as speaking your 1002 00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:28,330 brand.com slash workshop. 1003 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,460 Again, that's speaking your brand.com slash 1004 00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:32,500 workshop. All right, Diane, well, thank you 1005 00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:34,660 so much for coming on the podcast to talk 1006 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:38,260 about why introverts do make great speakers 1007 00:36:38,260 --> 00:36:40,780 and leaders. And we are proof, as are all 1008 00:36:40,780 --> 00:36:42,310 the amazing clients that we work with, 1009 00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:45,100 whether they're introverts or extroverts. 1010 00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:47,860 And so next week's episode, Diane 1011 00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:49,070 interviewed one of our thought leader 1012 00:36:49,070 --> 00:36:51,440 Academy graduates, Cindy Roe, because she is 1013 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,960 on fire on the speaking circuit. 1014 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,720 We see her linked in and she she is just 1015 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,100 booking gig after gig. 1016 00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:01,040 And so Diane had a fantastic conversation 1017 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,180 with her that you're going to hear next 1018 00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:05,510 week. On the specific strategies she uses to 1019 00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:07,520 get momentum on the speaking circuit. 1020 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,630 Get ready to take notes. 1021 00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:10,520 And these are very practical, tangible 1022 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,620 things that you can do that maybe take an 1023 00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:14,350 hour or two a week and they're definitely 1024 00:37:14,350 --> 00:37:16,060 doable. So, Diane, thank you for having that 1025 00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:17,830 conversation. I know our listeners are gonna 1026 00:37:17,830 --> 00:37:20,710 look forward to it. Don't forget to take our 1027 00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:23,080 speaker Archetype quiz so you can leverage 1028 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,730 your natural communication strengths and 1029 00:37:24,730 --> 00:37:27,100 amplify them as speaking your Brand.com 1030 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:29,410 slash quiz. Until next time, thanks for 1031 00:37:29,410 --> 00:37:30,130 listening.