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Hello and welcome to Movies on the Side.

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This is Stephen Robles.

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And this is Nate Baranowski.

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And today we're talking about a small
little movie that came out just this past

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weekend, The Odyssey, directed by
Christopher Nolan and a cast

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of characters like the world has never
seen.

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Nate, you saw this movie at eight in the
morning,

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is that right?

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Eight forty five in the morning.

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I didn't even know theaters were open at
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which is wild.

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I just checked what there is a 70 mm IMAX
screen in Grand Rapids,

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Michigan. And I just thought, I'm gonna
peek at it.

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~

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I've seen it once. I could just look,

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Just see. Just just look. Just look.

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just to look. It is completely sold out
except for two shows.

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And I want to get your thoughts on this.

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Yes.

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The one that's not there are two that are
not sold out.

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One of them is at starts at one thirty
five AM.

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A ~

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Starting time

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and that's like the front two rows have a
smattering in them and the other

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one is six six thirty five A.

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~ my goodness. Ha ha ha What?

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Which of those shows would you rather go
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Would you rather see a movie at one

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thirty in in the middle of the night or
six thirty?

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Ladies and gentlemen, this movie is three
hours long,

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let us remind you, or if you weren't
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That means you said 135?

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So you're talking about 435,

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One thirty five AM.

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and by the time you get home, you're
getting home at five in the morning.

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Like you were either done the day before
and you slept when you were supposed

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Yeah.

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to be working, or you're done the next day
because you saw a movie all night.

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Right.

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I would probably do six in the morning
personally.

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I mean I'm doing neither, but I would
rather do six in the morning I think.

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But eight is really odd.

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Right. I think I

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had that feeling too, 'cause I feel like
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one thirty AM showing. But this movie

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I mean I'm over forty now, Nate.

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is selling like hotcakes,

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I believe is the term.

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Nate, I it

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yeah, that's exactly what the kids say.

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A hot kick six seven, I think,

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is people's username now. That's it.

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Mm-hmm. Flapjacks.

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I also thought about I saw this in just a
normal theater and I also looked

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Mm-hmm.

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up the only theater that is seventy
millimeter that I saw Project Hail Mary

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at in Fort Lauderdale. And they have
they're mostly sold out through September,

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Mm-hmm.

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Nate. That's like two months away as we
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But there is an eight thirty in the
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Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.

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one day on like a Wednesday and then
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a one thirty in the afternoon,

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although maybe I should check.

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Maybe it did say one thirty in the AM,

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I know, ~ on a random day. I'm thinking
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but probably I'm probably not.

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the location in the theater is I don't
want to go see seven seventy millimeter
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in the first row.

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If so the I follow Patrick Tommaso who's
he's a super fun follow

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on Threads and Instagram. He got to
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He's doing junkets now. He interviewed Ann
Hathaway and Matt Damon.

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Ooh, cool.

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Like he's doing the thing. He's made it,

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right? And he says front row IMAX seventy
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it's actually amazing and everybody should
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Which I'm sure it would be immersive.

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Ooh, okay.

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Like you would be enveloped

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It is coming

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~ it is coming down upon you.

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You would feel like you're turning into a
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feel like you watched a fireworks show
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the fireworks.

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You're lighting the firework. Like you you
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That is you.

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But also like I would just be concerned
about the distortion factor.

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Like I feel like maybe the Cyclops,

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like his face is gonna be like a triangle.

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Like his eye is gonna be thirty feet
across and his chin you know what I mean?

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Right. I don't yeah,

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I I couldn't risk it. I couldn't risk it
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get 'cause there's nothing I've been to a
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and I had the thought I'm too close.

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And even if I'm not too close,

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that inception esque thought has been
started in my brain

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Thought Yes.

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I'm also worried about like ~ am I
watching a tennis match?

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Like am I have to be like turning my head
like for the dialogue?

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For a dialogue, for a back and forth
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Like when those giants hit you know,

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yes.

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one of the guys and he flies across the
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am I be getting like whiplash?

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Like, huh? ~ yeah.

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looking around at it. All right,

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before we talk about this movie,

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Yes.

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because I

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I want to luxuriate in the fact that we
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We haven't.

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And so like it's kinda like watching a
movie for the first time.

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I'm so excited to talk to you about it.

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Yes.

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But before we do, a little bit of an
appetizer.

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Yes.

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Steven, I have let the algorithm

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of this movie I have let it wash over me
like the tide over

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Mm.

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Listen.

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the Trojan horse. And I am not I'm not
sorry.

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I don't I'm not mad about it at all.

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No. Not mad. Not mad about it.

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Not mad about it.

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I probably the day or two after I saw it,

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I'm talking.

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Yes.

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Eighty percent of every Instagram reel was
Odyssey based

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and I like a man at the Golden Corral,

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I just kept fill up filling up my plate.

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I still can't get enough, actually.

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I would not be mad if every reel has to be
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The meme of Matt Damon screaming f during
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things about that. I'm gonna post that
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someone says they've never used shortcuts.

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I'm gonna put that on threads and sh you I
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Ooh, okay. Yeah. You find your own way.

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I w I was s yeah.

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I've s I saw Tom

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Holland and Matt Damon make a pizza,

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a New York Times cooking. That wasn't even
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That was just me choosing a YouTube video
of them making pizzas.

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it just happened it's amazing.

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I know that Matt Damon is now gluten-free.

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Things I did not know before this.

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pff that's it. Really?

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Everyone calls Anne Hathaway Annie.

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Lots of things that I'm learning along the
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I will take it. I'm gonna take it all in.

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I feel like I have a good week or two left
of just all Odyssey all the time.

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I actually contributed a little bit to the
deluge of Odyssey content.

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I don't know if you saw some of my tweets.

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~ I would like to quickly read to you ~
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trying to trying ~ trying to be in the
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of yourself. this is good. All right,

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okay.

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great.

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I'm gonna give it a one through five of
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That was exactly what I was going to ask
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So thank you for doing that. I don't know
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but a lot of the discourse is about how
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A lot of it is done in camera,

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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

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practical effects, all of that.

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So here was my first tweet that went semi
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It said, Christopher Nolan used no CGI in
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Those dudes actually turned into literal
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One guy turns out couldn't get changed
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Still a pig to this day. You were fighting
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That is very good.

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You were fighting laughing. You can't hide
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No, ~ here's the thing. I already saw this
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on Threads and X. I believe Threads is
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Yes, yes. I cross post. I cross post.

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yes. All out there. It was great.

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It doesn't hit me particularly new because
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Maybe I'm more maybe I'm more up on your
social media.

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Okay, well pretend you saw it for first
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Thank you. Well what would you rate it the
first time you saw it?

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that's a four. That's a solid four.

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~ yes. That makes me feel so

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It's great. It's it's great.

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good, honestly. All right, here's my
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~ this is a picture of Cersei the witch.

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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

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Okay, so it's a picture of Cersei.

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Her actress her name is Samantha Morton,

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the actress. I know the Odyssey pig scene
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Mm-hmm.

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but if Samantha Morton brings food to the
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I wouldn't touch it.

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Mm two and a half. Fine.

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All right, that okay, all right.

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I'll t I'll take that. All right,

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all right, well that two and a half,

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that's fine. Last one, I will say people
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I think, you know, if

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we're gonna do a punch up of that last
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I would say if you just cut off the first
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if Samantha Morton brings something to the
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Hmm. That would have been better.

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look, I'm not touching it. The end.

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Wait a minute.

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Like no w no context.

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Nay, we need to we need to do weekly
workshops now where I just kinda give

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you some tweets and you just tell me what
kind of changes we need to make.

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Yeah, yeah. Little SNL writers room over
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Exactly. ~

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from someone who'd

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who like me never posts anything funny.

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No, but y you save it all for the show,

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which I'm grateful for. All right,

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I do. I do.

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this last one, it is a screenshot of the
history webpage,

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like from the official history website
about the Odyssey.

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And in the screenshot I have highlighted
composed nearly twenty seven hundred years

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ago, Homer's epic poney Odyssey.

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And then my post is people say no odyssey
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Mm-hmm.

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bro, to a twenty seven hundred year old
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That's it.

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It

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it is very good. It is a four,

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a solid four. I saw it several times,

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thank you.

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so maybe they were ripping off your I mean
it's it's a common enough one that like,

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Lessons Yeah, yeah,

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yeah. Now well thank

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hey, how can we do it?

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you, Nate. I'm listen, giving me a couple
fours there.

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I feel honored. Thank you for that.

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Yep. Yep.

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~ do we I mean, again, this story is
almost three thousand years old.

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Do we say spoilers? I mean, we're gonna
talk about the movie.

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I think we should

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I don't want to think about spoilers at
all.

250
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No, no, no, just talk about yeah.

251
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So I think we should say like spoilers for
the movie,

252
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I guess.

253
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How many people

254
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around the world do you think finally
realized that the

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TSG entertainment logo animation where the
guy shooting through the axes,

256
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how many people around the world realized
that that was Odys ~ Odysseus?

257
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You know you know you the movie thing I'm
talking about?

258
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Yeah, I

259
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The t the

260
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I'm pretty sure the animation even starts
with him shooting the the bow.

261
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Yes. He pulls the bow and chooses half the
world,

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So yes. I'm sure a lot of people are yes,

263
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I think. Half the world.

264
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learning about it. Also I'm not worried
about doing spoilers here because

265
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I also think half the world has already
seen this movie.

266
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I feel like they have it has blown away
all of the box office everything.

267
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It is Christopher Nolan's biggest movie
ever.

268
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It is like two hundred something million
two hundred and sixty-four million dollar

269
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Mm-hmm.

270
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worldwide worldwide debut. And ~ Nate,

271
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Yep. I get it. And I get it.

272
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I get it. Okay, l now let me ask you this.

273
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This movie, if there was a a meter,

274
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Mm-hmm.

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like the old school thermometer,

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like you're doing a school fundraiser,

277
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

278
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and we call it the hype meter.

279
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Mm-hmm.

280
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Before you saw this movie, how did you how
high do you feel like that hype meter

281
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it's great.

282
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was before the movie came out?

283
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If I could graph you know how when we both
watched the World Cup recently

284
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Yes. We we were texting about sports.

285
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as sports fans, both of us equally?

286
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I think the f second time ever,

287
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Yep. You know how like there's a graphic
that goes up that says like momentum
meter?

288
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yeah.

289
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Momento. I love that graph. It's a great
graph.

290
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That's just and it happens th they do it
for like win probability in football
games,

291
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and I always think like, okay,

292
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you could just graph it by how far you are
up.

293
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Sure.

294
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About a year ago, I think,

295
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when this was announced.

296
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Yes.

297
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And there was maybe an option to like buy
your IMAX tickets.

298
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My personal hype was sky high.

299
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When I heard it, Christopher Nolan,

300
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The Odyssey, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in.

301
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Yeah. And

302
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That stayed super high. But then

303
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I got the Matt Damon casting, I think,

304
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at some point in time, and I thought,

305
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I don't know. I don't know. I dropped a
little bit.

306
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We're down at 75%. Like

307
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Sure, sure.

308
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Still Christopher Nolan, but I'm not sure
about

309
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Sure. Right.

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Matt Damon as Odysseus. We kinda go
through Tom Holland,

311
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I was like ~

312
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's unknown.

313
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And Hathaway

314
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Unknown.

315
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love her. I she's gonna make a great
Penelope.

316
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Okay. Then we get to trailer time.

317
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And that first trailer drops and I took

318
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

319
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a dive because my initial thought to the
trailer was

320
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Really?

321
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I don't I don't know. I don't know.

322
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I th there was a bit of a backlash to not
Archimedes.

323
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What's the guy's name with the the bone
skull?

324
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~ the main guy. Agam Magn. Yes.

325
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~ Agamemnon. Agamemnon.

326
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His helmet. There was a little bit of like
this.

327
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He looks a little goofy in that.

328
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How's this gonna look?

329
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Which

330
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he's owned the internet the last week,

331
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let me just say. Agamemnon I've never read
the word Ora so much in my life.

332
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I heard aura farming so many times in my
reels.

333
00:12:27,821 --> 00:12:34,464
Yes, exactly. and so I dropped down and I
I my own expectations dropped.

334
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But then about now we're at like a month
out from release,

335
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Yeah, yeah, sure.

336
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Mm-hmm.

337
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and people start seeing screeners and

338
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Everyone online is preemptively negative
about the movie until they

339
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see the movie and then they're like,

340
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This is amazing. He's outdone himself.

341
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Nate. I Yeah.

342
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And then people who I respect their movie
opinions were like,

343
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You have to like it is you have to go see
this and all of a sudden I'm back up,

344
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Yes. Yes. Hundred.

345
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I'm through the roof, and I and I said,

346
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That's it.

347
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I'm either watching I I

348
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I told Jill, I said, Are we watching this
together or am I going

349
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out after everyone is asleep? Because this
will it will be watched.

350
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It's happening either way. It it shall be
watched.

351
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It shall be watched.

352
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I was I was unsure w if I would go see
this and like whatever.

353
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And then like you said, the screeners came
out and I saw this one reel.

354
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I don't even know who it was. Supposedly
he was some famous movie critic.

355
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He was like an older guy. And in the reel
he's saying,

356
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like, There's three movies in my life that
ever changed my life.

357
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this was Richard Roper. I believe I sent
you this video.

358
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Is that what it was? Was it him?

359
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From where Sisko and Ebert and it became
Sis you know,

360
00:13:48,577 --> 00:13:51,339
Ebert and Roper? I was trying to think
which one.

361
00:13:48,891 --> 00:13:51,228
R Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

362
00:13:51,228 --> 00:13:53,966
Then maybe maybe that was it. But he was
like there's only been two

363
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Yeah. I think it was him, like outside
like in it with glasses on at

364
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a little like table.

365
00:13:56,086 --> 00:13:57,086
Yeah, okay,

366
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yes. Yeah, you're right. Then you sent it
to me.

367
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But yeah, that was what honestly convinced
me because he was like,

368
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Yes, I did send it to you.

369
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only two movies I've I've seen like
millions of movies.

370
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Two movies have ever changed my life.

371
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And now this is the third. And I'm like,

372
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all right, we gotta go. I say,

373
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Wendy, we gotta go. I haven't bought
tickets.

374
00:14:11,820 --> 00:14:14,112
We'll see what's available. We saw it
Thursday night.

375
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Pack your things.

376
00:14:14,112 --> 00:14:16,554
We saw Thursday night before it even
premiered.

377
00:14:16,554 --> 00:14:18,185
I asked for the special popcorn bucket.

378
00:14:18,185 --> 00:14:19,306
They said it's not even out yet,

379
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so we can't give you the popcorn bucket.

380
00:14:20,937 --> 00:14:23,770
I said, That's fine. I would have taken

381
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you wanted that Trojan horse. Man,

382
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that would have looked

383
00:14:23,810 --> 00:14:25,234
good at that shelf behind you.

384
00:14:26,649 --> 00:14:29,400
I honestly I was really excited for the
popcorn bucket.

385
00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,489
And then when I saw that it was a horse,

386
00:14:30,489 --> 00:14:31,921
I'm like, that's kind of oddly shaped,

387
00:14:31,921 --> 00:14:33,192
wouldn't fit great on a shelf.

388
00:14:33,192 --> 00:14:35,273
I guess I'm good. Like I was okay.

389
00:14:34,309 --> 00:14:35,885
Popcorn's coming out of a weird place.

390
00:14:35,273 --> 00:14:38,855
Yeah, I was like, you deopen that.

391
00:14:35,885 --> 00:14:38,937
Yeah. I out of its kangaroo pouch.

392
00:14:38,855 --> 00:14:40,456
I don't like I don't like that.

393
00:14:40,456 --> 00:14:43,298
But anyway, we saw this the Thursday night
it came out.

394
00:14:43,298 --> 00:14:48,560
And so here's the thing. That amount of
hype before the movie,

395
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Mm-hmm.

396
00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,322
like in the weeks preceding, was out of
control.

397
00:14:50,511 --> 00:14:53,102
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

398
00:14:52,322 --> 00:14:55,074
And like my energy was just like.

399
00:14:56,016 --> 00:14:57,837
Just like static. Like I was just like,

400
00:14:57,402 --> 00:14:58,402
Mm-hmm.

401
00:14:57,837 --> 00:14:59,078
this is going to be incredible.

402
00:14:59,078 --> 00:15:02,060
Immediately after seeing the movie,

403
00:15:02,060 --> 00:15:06,976
I was like, that was amazing. I feel maybe
I wish it wasn't as hype.

404
00:15:07,931 --> 00:15:13,157
A bit of a siren song. The hype was a bit
of a you'll be forever different

405
00:15:11,627 --> 00:15:13,775
a bit of a sour song. But

406
00:15:13,157 --> 00:15:15,881
and you I think your text to me after
seeing it was,

407
00:15:15,881 --> 00:15:20,246
It is amazing, my life didn't change
forever.

408
00:15:20,624 --> 00:15:21,624
That's exactly

409
00:15:21,234 --> 00:15:24,066
what I said. And but so that was like
immediately after.

410
00:15:24,066 --> 00:15:26,098
But now that I'm several days after,

411
00:15:26,098 --> 00:15:28,560
one, I want to see it again. I saw a bunch
of people say,

412
00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:29,911
actually, the second time is even better.

413
00:15:29,911 --> 00:15:32,482
I'm like, shoot, now I gotta try to see
the second time,

414
00:15:32,151 --> 00:15:33,829
It's marinated in your mind.

415
00:15:32,482 --> 00:15:38,917
I guess. It's marinated. But also like the
zeitgeist like bolsters

416
00:15:39,217 --> 00:15:44,761
the experience. But then I also like I was
j just as you popped in here to record,

417
00:15:39,769 --> 00:15:40,769
Mm-hmm.

418
00:15:44,761 --> 00:15:46,933
I was watching a reel from Ryan Holiday,

419
00:15:46,933 --> 00:15:48,444
the author of Stillness is the key.

420
00:15:49,104 --> 00:15:51,986
And he was talking about what the Odyssey
is really about.

421
00:15:51,986 --> 00:15:57,131
And I'm sure you've seen like I've seen
reels of like scholarly like classical

422
00:15:57,131 --> 00:16:00,253
scholars talking about the Odyssey and
Homer,

423
00:15:58,490 --> 00:15:59,490
Mm-hmm.

424
00:16:00,253 --> 00:16:05,516
the Iliad, and all of that, and comparing
the movie to the literary versions

425
00:16:04,933 --> 00:16:05,933
Mm-hmm.

426
00:16:05,578 --> 00:16:07,279
and how that failed. And then I'm seeing,

427
00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:09,951
you know, the movie influencers,

428
00:16:09,951 --> 00:16:11,983
and they're talking about it from a
different perspective.

429
00:16:11,983 --> 00:16:14,004
And then I see this thing from Ryan
Holliday,

430
00:16:14,004 --> 00:16:16,967
and he's like, the Odyssey is not about

431
00:16:17,381 --> 00:16:20,233
Penelope or Odysseus or Telemachus,

432
00:16:20,233 --> 00:16:26,096
like it's about you and how you respond in
your life

433
00:16:26,196 --> 00:16:30,859
to challenges and giants. And what do you
do when you're trying to get home?

434
00:16:30,859 --> 00:16:32,900
Or are you avoiding trying to go home?

435
00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:36,222
And I was like, I'm back in. Hype,

436
00:16:36,222 --> 00:16:38,734
the hype is just the thermometer's
destroyed.

437
00:16:38,734 --> 00:16:42,218
I'm all in. Five out of five.

438
00:16:42,218 --> 00:16:44,197
I'll say right now. Five out of five pigs.

439
00:16:44,771 --> 00:16:46,737
Yeah. I mean, somewhere out there,

440
00:16:46,737 --> 00:16:50,429
Homer's really bringing in the royalties
on this movie.

441
00:16:51,316 --> 00:16:54,241
If only he knew. But can I also say like
we we've

442
00:16:53,711 --> 00:16:54,711
How many

443
00:16:54,272 --> 00:16:58,957
who's getting money from the Odyssey book
sales?

444
00:16:56,941 --> 00:17:00,413
Nobody. No. It's gotta be open

445
00:16:58,957 --> 00:17:00,418
No, someone's getting paid.

446
00:17:00,653 --> 00:17:05,076
it's gotta be public domain. It's gotta be
like no one.

447
00:17:05,076 --> 00:17:08,288
It's just like no one would get like
royalties if you use like

448
00:17:05,883 --> 00:17:06,883
So like

449
00:17:08,288 --> 00:17:11,700
the classical piece from whatever 1700s.

450
00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:16,093
The original text of the Odyssey it is
entirely in the public domain.

451
00:17:12,719 --> 00:17:13,891
Just a book printer.

452
00:17:16,093 --> 00:17:17,613
You are free to adapt the story,

453
00:17:17,613 --> 00:17:20,245
use the character names, and publish your
own versions.

454
00:17:20,245 --> 00:17:23,397
Modern translations are protected by
copyright.

455
00:17:24,399 --> 00:17:26,983
So modern translations I guess could be
that.

456
00:17:26,983 --> 00:17:29,057
But

457
00:17:27,311 --> 00:17:29,083
Maybe somebody's getting I assume

458
00:17:29,083 --> 00:17:33,579
there's been a bump in the 'cause when's
the last time you read the Odyssey?

459
00:17:33,579 --> 00:17:37,484
Or have you ever? 'Cause I think I was
like sophomore year of college.

460
00:17:35,108 --> 00:17:36,108
I think I read s

461
00:17:37,484 --> 00:17:39,647
I think I had a Western Lit class or
something.

462
00:17:39,943 --> 00:17:42,318
I think it was actually in high school
that I was supposed to read it

463
00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:46,177
and I read some of it. I read some of it
and then I did Spark Notes,

464
00:17:43,163 --> 00:17:44,163
Are you spark notes?

465
00:17:46,177 --> 00:17:47,771
which of course now I regret. Like,

466
00:17:47,771 --> 00:17:49,274
man, I should have read that whole thing.

467
00:17:49,274 --> 00:17:50,467
But

468
00:17:49,338 --> 00:17:50,700
No, I I knew the the

469
00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:54,725
main plot points, but I don't think I
remembered any of the themes

470
00:17:54,725 --> 00:17:57,038
of the book because it was just get
through it.

471
00:17:55,610 --> 00:17:56,610
No.

472
00:17:57,265 --> 00:17:59,169
Yeah, exactly. So I don't know.

473
00:17:59,169 --> 00:18:02,077
But okay. So here's the here's the thing.

474
00:18:01,273 --> 00:18:04,329
Let's go. Let's go. Mm-hmm.

475
00:18:02,077 --> 00:18:03,500
I d I don't even know where to start.

476
00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:04,824
I'll start here.

477
00:18:05,552 --> 00:18:06,875
I I actually have notes for this one.

478
00:18:07,367 --> 00:18:08,963
do you well why don't you go? You have
notes.

479
00:18:08,963 --> 00:18:10,148
I have some ideas.

480
00:18:09,807 --> 00:18:10,807
no no.

481
00:18:10,289 --> 00:18:12,514
No, I've I really want you to start here.

482
00:18:12,514 --> 00:18:15,862
This was you that was a great start and
now I'm I'm ready.

483
00:18:15,076 --> 00:18:16,076
I'm

484
00:18:16,036 --> 00:18:21,408
I'm I'm like pumped. I will start with the
music because that was one

485
00:18:20,308 --> 00:18:21,308
Mm.

486
00:18:21,408 --> 00:18:24,589
of the the things that I watched before
seeing the movie was

487
00:18:24,589 --> 00:18:28,260
how composer Ludwig Gurensen, I believe,

488
00:18:28,260 --> 00:18:34,642
he and Christopher Nolan they didn't want
to use swelling orchestral scores because

489
00:18:34,702 --> 00:18:37,542
orchestras didn't exist, which makes total
sense.

490
00:18:36,399 --> 00:18:38,193
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

491
00:18:37,542 --> 00:18:43,174
Like you're gonna have this Mahler style
romantic orchestra during this Greek

492
00:18:43,932 --> 00:18:50,336
poem that was, you know, BC. So they made
instruments like this specific

493
00:18:50,336 --> 00:18:53,077
lyre and this like flute type instrument,

494
00:18:53,077 --> 00:18:55,439
this reed instrument. And I watched this,

495
00:18:55,439 --> 00:18:57,260
I watched like five YouTube videos about
this.

496
00:18:57,260 --> 00:19:02,703
And they they like looked at drawings and
paintings of these instruments

497
00:19:03,003 --> 00:19:07,546
and what instruments were paired together
in the paintings and then composed

498
00:19:07,546 --> 00:19:10,327
the scores related to those. And like
amazing.

499
00:19:10,327 --> 00:19:11,418
And I also felt like

500
00:19:12,326 --> 00:19:17,658
How are they going to build these epic
moments with this limited instrumentation?

501
00:19:17,658 --> 00:19:19,559
Because they're not using this full
swelling orchestra.

502
00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:24,071
He did it. Ludwig did it. He used vocals
to great effect,

503
00:19:20,121 --> 00:19:21,121
Right.

504
00:19:24,071 --> 00:19:26,853
swelling vocals, percussive type moments,

505
00:19:25,940 --> 00:19:29,773
Mm-hmm. Bangin' on bronze.

506
00:19:26,853 --> 00:19:31,285
like just drum beats or like banging on
the things,

507
00:19:31,285 --> 00:19:33,145
like from the very opening of the movie.

508
00:19:33,145 --> 00:19:36,247
But then also like the theme of Ithaca.

509
00:19:36,247 --> 00:19:38,468
Like I went I've listened to the
soundtrack and like.

510
00:19:39,238 --> 00:19:44,156
Just he th just the sounds, which are very
different and very not of our time,

511
00:19:44,156 --> 00:19:49,445
are so affecting and mysterious and
amazing.

512
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:45,710
Mm-hmm.

513
00:19:47,897 --> 00:19:48,897
Yes.

514
00:19:49,445 --> 00:19:53,271
Just loved it. That's it. That's I was
that's what I wanted to say about the
music.

515
00:19:50,979 --> 00:19:53,381
Yes. No, I I I

516
00:19:53,381 --> 00:19:59,364
have almost nothing to add to it except it
is mostly like an incredible soundscape.

517
00:19:59,364 --> 00:20:05,638
I have a question for you. You're
definitely the more musically inclined
person

518
00:20:04,943 --> 00:20:09,360
Maybe. Sure, sure. Although you play the
Dulcimer,

519
00:20:05,638 --> 00:20:08,730
of the two of us. ~ expert, maybe?

520
00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:12,973
I pluck on the dulcimer every once in a
while.

521
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:10,967
which is pretty cool.

522
00:20:12,973 --> 00:20:14,894
So Steven

523
00:20:13,328 --> 00:20:14,328
Pretty good.

524
00:20:16,159 --> 00:20:22,155
I definitely I mean the closest I could
possibly compare it to is Hans Zimmer with

525
00:20:22,155 --> 00:20:26,228
Dune. Like the closest I could get to like
odd,

526
00:20:26,228 --> 00:20:32,093
strange, but even that the Dune soundtrack
had a much more melodic

527
00:20:32,653 --> 00:20:35,811
Yes. And it's Cynthia. Like it's Synth.

528
00:20:33,415 --> 00:20:37,578
like memorable I c I I couldn't yeah and I
couldn't hum a thing

529
00:20:37,578 --> 00:20:42,403
and it was definitely Is there any like
are you completely happy?

530
00:20:43,085 --> 00:20:47,241
with this or it was is there part of you
deep down that's like,

531
00:20:47,241 --> 00:20:51,407
I mean, I kinda would love if Hans just
took a run at this.

532
00:20:52,707 --> 00:20:58,389
I don't Hans is a wonderful like let him
do Dune part three in December.

533
00:20:58,389 --> 00:21:04,712
Leave Ludwig here. I felt like I wonder
your experience in the theater,

534
00:21:01,177 --> 00:21:02,177
Okay.

535
00:21:04,712 --> 00:21:07,213
like and I've seen this on social media a
lot.

536
00:21:07,213 --> 00:21:11,985
There's certain moments that are just
insanely loud and like when

537
00:21:11,226 --> 00:21:12,226
Yes.

538
00:21:11,985 --> 00:21:14,566
the Cyclops yells in the cave,

539
00:21:14,468 --> 00:21:15,468
Yes.

540
00:21:14,566 --> 00:21:19,068
like in my theater, like I could hear the
rattling of the room and I'm like,

541
00:21:18,807 --> 00:21:20,453
It just goes around you, right.

542
00:21:19,068 --> 00:21:20,859
whoa. I was like, is this

543
00:21:21,112 --> 00:21:22,673
At the decibel we're supposed to be at,

544
00:21:22,673 --> 00:21:26,855
like what is happening here? And then some
of the music,

545
00:21:24,388 --> 00:21:25,388
Yep.

546
00:21:26,855 --> 00:21:31,958
I could never tell, like this low end
would come in and like it's not a note,

547
00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:34,499
it's just a rumble. And I would always
have to like,

548
00:21:33,284 --> 00:21:34,284
Mm-hmm.

549
00:21:34,499 --> 00:21:36,831
is this a note? Is this a bass drum?

550
00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:37,850
Is this the sea?

551
00:21:36,831 --> 00:21:41,003
Yeah, is this like what what is this?

552
00:21:41,003 --> 00:21:45,415
And so I I'm actually looking forward to
watching this at home in like on

553
00:21:45,415 --> 00:21:50,508
one of my sound systems, so I can kind of
see like what what was I hearing?

554
00:21:46,211 --> 00:21:47,211
Right.

555
00:21:50,811 --> 00:21:53,313
'Cause in the theater, which it seems this
was everybody's experience,

556
00:21:53,313 --> 00:21:55,573
like a lot sometimes it's just so loud you
don't even know what's happening.

557
00:21:56,707 --> 00:22:02,132
Yeah, I think this was I'd say one of

558
00:22:02,333 --> 00:22:07,157
one of Christopher Nolan's five faults
amidst a thousand strengths

559
00:22:07,518 --> 00:22:14,124
is that sometimes you're left in a in a
dialogue scene like

560
00:22:14,725 --> 00:22:17,908
what? What did you say?

561
00:22:15,483 --> 00:22:17,134
I yeah, several times, yeah.

562
00:22:17,908 --> 00:22:19,990
All I heard was BOOM BOOM

563
00:22:21,115 --> 00:22:23,198
And sometimes it was when Penelope was
talking,

564
00:22:23,198 --> 00:22:25,180
like Anne Hathaway would like talking to
Telemachus.

565
00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:27,563
Like there's that roof scene on the early
on and I was like,

566
00:22:27,563 --> 00:22:29,209
Wait, what did they say? Whitney,

567
00:22:29,209 --> 00:22:32,979
did you hear what they said? I I kinda
wanted that.

568
00:22:29,925 --> 00:22:32,076
We get IMAX subtitles? Is that

569
00:22:32,979 --> 00:22:34,011
Kinda wanted that.

570
00:22:34,498 --> 00:22:39,492
But in some ways I think the sound and

571
00:22:39,492 --> 00:22:42,564
the soundtrack all aided to the story.

572
00:22:42,564 --> 00:22:45,646
And I think that is one of the coolest
parts of this movie is that

573
00:22:45,646 --> 00:22:49,408
I feel like everything, including the
parts I did not like,

574
00:22:49,408 --> 00:22:54,672
aided the storytelling to a point where I
just like,

575
00:22:54,672 --> 00:22:58,375
okay, I get it. Like there are

576
00:22:56,367 --> 00:22:57,996
Yeah. Yeah.

577
00:22:58,809 --> 00:23:05,184
the way that let's move into the way that
it was shot and how this movie doesn't

578
00:23:02,703 --> 00:23:03,703
Yes.

579
00:23:05,184 --> 00:23:11,228
feel like a movie that I have seen in a
long time because and I'm not

580
00:23:11,228 --> 00:23:15,621
a big in this anti CG thing. I think you
sent me a video on he like

581
00:23:15,621 --> 00:23:20,935
he uses plenty of CGI. Like it's like
there's plenty of of it in this.

582
00:23:17,476 --> 00:23:18,476
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:23:20,935 --> 00:23:25,238
I am not going to fall for the it was just
a twenty foot puppet of

584
00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:26,619
a Cyclops the whole time. Like

585
00:23:27,138 --> 00:23:30,491
I saw the puppet and I saw what was on
screen.

586
00:23:29,205 --> 00:23:31,083
Yeah, exactly.

587
00:23:30,491 --> 00:23:32,403
Like that might have been a performance,

588
00:23:32,403 --> 00:23:34,995
but it definitely got some CG on top of
it.

589
00:23:34,995 --> 00:23:36,757
So But

590
00:23:35,285 --> 00:23:39,193
Exactly. But Yeah,

591
00:23:38,018 --> 00:23:42,983
but I heard someone say,

592
00:23:39,193 --> 00:23:40,193
yeah.

593
00:23:42,983 --> 00:23:44,124
probably Matt Damon.

594
00:23:44,688 --> 00:23:49,980
That having the mindset of we'll get it in
post is one of the worst things that

595
00:23:49,980 --> 00:23:55,131
you can do on a movie. You want to try
your best to capture everything

596
00:23:55,131 --> 00:23:57,932
in frame because the more you do that,

597
00:23:57,932 --> 00:24:00,833
the more thought you've given into to the
lighting,

598
00:24:00,833 --> 00:24:06,575
the more like like you actually have it
framed out as you want it.

599
00:24:07,129 --> 00:24:09,601
And then the CG becomes the icing.

600
00:24:09,601 --> 00:24:12,043
As it should always be, is that like,

601
00:24:12,043 --> 00:24:15,446
hey, we took the jet skis around and made
the whirlpool.

602
00:24:15,446 --> 00:24:18,664
Obviously, we use CG to make it look like
it's going down.

603
00:24:18,664 --> 00:24:22,502
And but like we had the plate on top of
it.

604
00:24:22,502 --> 00:24:24,693
We had the guys getting pulled out of the
ship.

605
00:24:24,693 --> 00:24:30,778
This movie was shot in a way that made me
feel

606
00:24:25,327 --> 00:24:26,327
Yes.

607
00:24:31,695 --> 00:24:36,697
This is the opposite of a slick Marvel
movie.

608
00:24:36,697 --> 00:24:39,899
This has grit,

609
00:24:39,899 --> 00:24:43,040
but not like makeup on grit.

610
00:24:40,368 --> 00:24:41,368
Yes.

611
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,202
Like real places,

612
00:24:43,438 --> 00:24:44,438
No, no, no.

613
00:24:47,202 --> 00:24:53,224
real rocks, real water. I saw a boat in
the middle of the sea,

614
00:24:53,224 --> 00:24:56,746
and as it zoomed out, I was just like,

615
00:24:53,488 --> 00:24:54,488
Yeah.

616
00:24:55,929 --> 00:24:56,929
Yeah.

617
00:24:56,746 --> 00:24:58,767
~ the sea is very scary.

618
00:24:59,865 --> 00:25:03,868
And like no one told me that. There was no
indications except for the fact that

619
00:24:59,991 --> 00:25:00,991
Right.

620
00:25:03,868 --> 00:25:08,361
I saw a real huge body of water with a
boat in the middle of it and I thought,

621
00:25:06,969 --> 00:25:10,801
Right. Yes. And they were really

622
00:25:08,361 --> 00:25:11,083
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be on that.

623
00:25:11,261 --> 00:25:12,921
they were really on the Mediterranean.

624
00:25:12,921 --> 00:25:18,224
And I think that was one thing I walked
away is while I was watching the movie,

625
00:25:18,224 --> 00:25:20,985
I felt like I was in the time period.

626
00:25:20,985 --> 00:25:24,956
Not that I was watching people play
themselves in the time period,

627
00:25:24,956 --> 00:25:27,707
but that I was like watching the time
period happen.

628
00:25:27,707 --> 00:25:32,579
And like one of my favorite movies like in
high school or growing up was Troy,

629
00:25:32,579 --> 00:25:35,591
the Brad Pitt Troy. And like that was fun,

630
00:25:33,305 --> 00:25:34,305
Mm-hmm.

631
00:25:35,591 --> 00:25:36,591
you know.

632
00:25:36,464 --> 00:25:37,464
Yeah.

633
00:25:36,614 --> 00:25:37,614
Him

634
00:25:36,764 --> 00:25:38,845
and Eric Banner d dueling, like it's super
fun.

635
00:25:38,845 --> 00:25:40,785
But if you like watch that movie now,

636
00:25:40,785 --> 00:25:44,876
nowhere near as good as this, but it's it
feels like you're watching people

637
00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:49,177
in costume play the part. And that was the
one thing that Christopher Nolan

638
00:25:46,916 --> 00:25:47,916
Right.

639
00:25:49,177 --> 00:25:54,308
can bring to this telling of the story is
like I am here in this time period.

640
00:25:54,308 --> 00:26:00,230
And like I am I'm in it, and there's never
a point where I get taken out of it.

641
00:25:54,939 --> 00:25:55,939
Yes.

642
00:26:00,230 --> 00:26:02,880
Where something happens or someone does
something,

643
00:26:00,795 --> 00:26:01,795
Right.

644
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,471
and it's like, wait a minute, that's you
know,

645
00:26:05,471 --> 00:26:06,471
and

646
00:26:06,093 --> 00:26:08,964
Some of the language at first was curious,

647
00:26:08,964 --> 00:26:10,405
and people have commented on this where
like,

648
00:26:10,405 --> 00:26:12,744
you know, the dialogue is not of the time.

649
00:26:12,744 --> 00:26:14,387
Of course it wouldn't be in English
anyway,

650
00:26:13,102 --> 00:26:14,980
Right. Right.

651
00:26:14,387 --> 00:26:16,247
but that you know, there's modern,

652
00:26:16,247 --> 00:26:17,608
like, you know, they say the F word,

653
00:26:17,608 --> 00:26:19,469
which is on like, did that word even exist
back then?

654
00:26:19,414 --> 00:26:20,414
Right.

655
00:26:19,469 --> 00:26:23,711
Who knows? But you like you get over that
pretty quickly,

656
00:26:23,711 --> 00:26:26,257
I felt like, and by twenty minutes in,

657
00:26:26,257 --> 00:26:30,033
I was like, I'm here. I'm here on the
Mediterranean.

658
00:26:28,058 --> 00:26:32,435
Right. Even with all these famous actors
in it,

659
00:26:30,033 --> 00:26:33,045
Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

660
00:26:33,045 --> 00:26:34,045
yeah.

661
00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:34,134
Like

662
00:26:33,544 --> 00:26:37,276
I went from being like, I no longer saw
Matt Damon as Matt Damon,

663
00:26:37,276 --> 00:26:40,378
even Tom Holland, who's like wildly
popular.

664
00:26:40,378 --> 00:26:41,709
Like I never thought to myself,

665
00:26:41,709 --> 00:26:43,260
like, and that's Spider-Man now.

666
00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:46,422
Like, I think about an hour in for me,

667
00:26:46,422 --> 00:26:49,233
I was just like, I am completely in this,

668
00:26:49,233 --> 00:26:55,637
which makes the stakes and the peril of
this movie feel so strong.

669
00:26:55,637 --> 00:27:00,640
Where towards the end of it, I think
probably the last hour

670
00:26:55,972 --> 00:26:56,972
Yeah, yeah.

671
00:27:01,804 --> 00:27:04,505
If I don't have anything that tracks my
heart rate,

672
00:27:04,505 --> 00:27:09,826
but I definitely could feel as we started
creeping towards him coming home,

673
00:27:09,826 --> 00:27:16,248
this like it builds to the point going
back

674
00:27:10,148 --> 00:27:11,148
Yes.

675
00:27:12,983 --> 00:27:14,542
It builds. It builds.

676
00:27:16,248 --> 00:27:23,231
to the soundtrack, when he strums that bow
at the end that syncs with

677
00:27:20,685 --> 00:27:21,685
Main, I can't even.

678
00:27:23,231 --> 00:27:26,592
the music, like ding, ding,

679
00:27:24,175 --> 00:27:27,143
The music. Yes. Nate.

680
00:27:26,592 --> 00:27:27,752
boom.

681
00:27:29,170 --> 00:27:30,170
That

682
00:27:30,096 --> 00:27:32,694
Did your crowd do any reaction at that
point?

683
00:27:32,694 --> 00:27:34,933
You were in opening night. Was there any
cheers or anything,

684
00:27:34,933 --> 00:27:36,054
or was it like silence?

685
00:27:36,333 --> 00:27:39,635
It was silent, but I think it was because
it was so was there your nearest cheers

686
00:27:39,635 --> 00:27:41,732
or anything? I think

687
00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:41,301
No, there wasn't cheer. I mean,

688
00:27:41,301 --> 00:27:42,301
I heard of

689
00:27:41,752 --> 00:27:45,106
people watching it and then like when he
first strums it,

690
00:27:45,106 --> 00:27:46,640
there's just like a

691
00:27:45,326 --> 00:27:46,756
I I saw like reels of that,

692
00:27:47,076 --> 00:27:51,157
but honestly, like it's such an intense
moment because you have been waiting

693
00:27:51,157 --> 00:27:53,838
the entire movie for this moment.

694
00:27:53,838 --> 00:27:58,899
Like the movie opens with the suitors at
the palace being jerks,

695
00:27:58,899 --> 00:28:02,640
and you just want Odysseus to be there to
set them straight.

696
00:27:59,130 --> 00:28:00,130
Mm-hmm.

697
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,061
That's what you're wanting the entire
movie.

698
00:28:03,345 --> 00:28:04,345
Right.

699
00:28:05,061 --> 00:28:09,882
And when he plucks that bow and everyone
realizes this is him,

700
00:28:09,882 --> 00:28:14,683
it's like a so many movies we have talked
about on this podcast.

701
00:28:14,873 --> 00:28:20,076
Don't stick the landing. And that was like
you hold up just the 10.0 sign.

702
00:28:16,891 --> 00:28:17,891
Yep.

703
00:28:20,076 --> 00:28:22,007
Like they stuck it right then.

704
00:28:22,007 --> 00:28:25,369
And then I can I don't know if you had
this realization.

705
00:28:22,726 --> 00:28:23,726
Right.

706
00:28:25,369 --> 00:28:28,000
Earlier in the movie, Odysseus Matt Damon,

707
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,031
he says, like, they ask him, why do you
pluck your bow when you go hunting?

708
00:28:31,031 --> 00:28:33,833
And he says, Well, because it needs to be
a fair fight.

709
00:28:31,716 --> 00:28:32,716
Mm-hmm.

710
00:28:33,833 --> 00:28:37,896
And I just and then I finally realized
when he plucked the bow at the end,

711
00:28:34,661 --> 00:28:35,661
Right.

712
00:28:37,896 --> 00:28:40,877
he was about to take out all those dudes,

713
00:28:40,877 --> 00:28:43,639
and he plucked it so he could feel like it
was a fair fight.

714
00:28:41,868 --> 00:28:43,870
Not only that, when he plucked it,

715
00:28:44,351 --> 00:28:49,617
Robert Pattinson, who was a kid when he
when he like first did it,

716
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:45,389
Yes.

717
00:28:47,375 --> 00:28:48,375
Yes.

718
00:28:49,617 --> 00:28:53,761
knew what that pluck meant and ran for the
door.

719
00:28:50,010 --> 00:28:51,010
Yes.

720
00:28:53,761 --> 00:28:58,416
Everyone else was just staring and he knew
what that was like beginning

721
00:28:54,574 --> 00:28:55,672
And hit for everybody.

722
00:28:58,416 --> 00:28:59,487
and he was like, I'm out

723
00:29:00,001 --> 00:29:04,699
Just and Robert Pan incredible he's a
great Batman.

724
00:29:04,636 --> 00:29:05,636
Cheek

725
00:29:04,928 --> 00:29:08,239
twitch, a real cheek twitcher in this
movie and mm.

726
00:29:08,217 --> 00:29:09,217
But

727
00:29:08,627 --> 00:29:10,869
he plays an an amazing snivelling,

728
00:29:10,869 --> 00:29:14,832
just you wanna just you're you're glad
what you you're glad he gets what

729
00:29:11,622 --> 00:29:14,658
Terrible. Just a yep. You want You want
him to get it.

730
00:29:14,658 --> 00:29:15,790
Yep.

731
00:29:14,832 --> 00:29:16,153
he gets at the end, you know what mean?

732
00:29:16,153 --> 00:29:19,576
I th th what I do wanna say too is it just
about being in the time period.

733
00:29:19,576 --> 00:29:22,883
Yes, I got past, that's Spider-Man,

734
00:29:22,883 --> 00:29:25,541
~ that's Ann Hathaway. Matt Damon,

735
00:29:25,541 --> 00:29:27,372
I was unsure, but like you said,

736
00:29:27,372 --> 00:29:28,844
about an hour in, I was like, okay,

737
00:29:28,844 --> 00:29:30,385
this is Odysseus, like we're good.

738
00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:31,268
Mm-hmm.

739
00:29:30,385 --> 00:29:35,229
Who I think embodied that feeling from the
beginning was Himesh Patel

740
00:29:35,929 --> 00:29:37,831
as Odysseus's like lead man.

741
00:29:38,671 --> 00:29:42,374
That dude I thought killed it in this
movie and I believed he was in

742
00:29:42,374 --> 00:29:44,371
the time period the whole time.

743
00:29:42,781 --> 00:29:45,922
The whole yes. The whole f the whole
thing.

744
00:29:44,371 --> 00:29:47,909
Whole time. Great. Yeah.

745
00:29:45,922 --> 00:29:48,163
Like yes. He's been in such like

746
00:29:48,203 --> 00:29:50,994
different types of movies. But here I was
like,

747
00:29:50,104 --> 00:29:53,342
Yes. He's the guy. Yeah, he's the guy.

748
00:29:50,994 --> 00:29:54,766
Yep, he's in. Same with John Leguizamo.

749
00:29:54,766 --> 00:29:57,578
I was this like I first saw him like,

750
00:29:55,673 --> 00:29:58,261
Yes. Even with his accent. Like he didn't
even hide his

751
00:29:57,578 --> 00:29:58,578
he's in it.

752
00:29:58,261 --> 00:30:00,688
accent. It's just like New York accent.

753
00:30:00,688 --> 00:30:02,865
~ all right, but go to your notes.

754
00:30:01,252 --> 00:30:03,793
He's just doing it. Okay.

755
00:30:02,865 --> 00:30:03,865
Go to your notes. What do you

756
00:30:04,232 --> 00:30:05,933
All right. So here's something.

757
00:30:05,933 --> 00:30:11,255
let's talk about quick quickly themes of
this movie.

758
00:30:11,255 --> 00:30:16,417
And I specifically mean 'cause there are
many themes of it and many things

759
00:30:16,417 --> 00:30:21,358
you can take from it. I want to know which
ones stand out to you.

760
00:30:21,358 --> 00:30:26,670
Because I've heard many takes on it,

761
00:30:26,670 --> 00:30:27,930
but here's some that I wrote down.

762
00:30:29,412 --> 00:30:34,847
It's talking about legacy and what you
leave behind and grappling with your

763
00:30:34,847 --> 00:30:41,824
own legacy. one another theme is regret
and that weight upon your life.

764
00:30:40,062 --> 00:30:42,532
sure. Yes.

765
00:30:41,824 --> 00:30:45,627
Another one is carrying guilt versus
letting go,

766
00:30:45,627 --> 00:30:48,830
like the way that the guilt can play upon
you.

767
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:54,175
The other one is hero status and the ugly
side of being known for one thing.

768
00:30:55,174 --> 00:30:57,618
But that being inconsistent with who you
are.

769
00:30:57,618 --> 00:31:00,972
Another one, free will versus
predestination.

770
00:31:00,972 --> 00:31:05,980
Like do you even have the the choice to do
things?

771
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:02,839
Death.

772
00:31:04,367 --> 00:31:05,367
That is true.

773
00:31:06,375 --> 00:31:07,960
His men are gonna die no matter what.

774
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,527
Yeah.

775
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,040
And the other one

776
00:31:09,581 --> 00:31:12,717
was just a type of love that

777
00:31:13,849 --> 00:31:17,596
is consistent and endures,

778
00:31:16,055 --> 00:31:17,855
Indoors. Yeah.

779
00:31:17,596 --> 00:31:21,924
an enduring kind of love. Any of those
themes personally resonate with you?

780
00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:26,142
You know, the regret thing is big.

781
00:31:26,142 --> 00:31:30,304
The one of the most affecting scenes is
the siren scene where Matt Damon says,

782
00:31:30,304 --> 00:31:33,126
Tie me to the post. Interesting fact,

783
00:31:33,126 --> 00:31:37,529
the sirens were stunt women and they were
on a literal rock in

784
00:31:37,529 --> 00:31:39,750
the Mediterranean Sea as the boat passed
by,

785
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:45,414
and the one actor actually jumps out of
the boat and like jumped into

786
00:31:45,414 --> 00:31:48,356
the Mediterranean Sea to do all of that,

787
00:31:48,356 --> 00:31:50,738
which is amazing. But he's you know,

788
00:31:50,738 --> 00:31:53,209
there's this quote he's quoting

789
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:58,683
during that siren song about how that itch
is the thing that you've always wanted

790
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:02,185
and you can't get to, and then you realize
it was the thing you already

791
00:32:02,185 --> 00:32:04,713
had and lost, which is that regret part.

792
00:32:04,713 --> 00:32:10,811
It's like so deep and powerful those ideas
and thoughts.

793
00:32:10,811 --> 00:32:15,384
But also his pride, how often you see his
pride get the better of

794
00:32:15,384 --> 00:32:17,896
him and basically cause so much of the
issues.

795
00:32:17,896 --> 00:32:21,138
Like he didn't want to follow the way of
Agamemnon.

796
00:32:18,329 --> 00:32:19,329
Right.

797
00:32:21,138 --> 00:32:22,138
He wanted to

798
00:32:21,989 --> 00:32:23,359
go away he thought would be quicker.

799
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:26,440
And that you could say caused most of the
issues.

800
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,411
Turning around to shoot the Cyclops in the
eye when they're already escaping.

801
00:32:30,411 --> 00:32:33,422
Like, what an idiot. Like why would you do
that?

802
00:32:33,422 --> 00:32:37,923
But it was that bit of pride and just like
frustration and letting that

803
00:32:37,923 --> 00:32:44,405
get the better of you. And it was but then
also when he comes back at the end,

804
00:32:44,405 --> 00:32:46,706
you know, Agamemnon, when he's in Hades,

805
00:32:46,706 --> 00:32:49,186
dead Adam Agamegnum, tells him like,

806
00:32:49,186 --> 00:32:51,437
I thought I was getting this welcome when
I went home.

807
00:32:51,811 --> 00:32:53,912
And I did not. So be wary of what you get.

808
00:32:53,912 --> 00:32:58,916
And the way Odysseus, after being gone for
20 years,

809
00:32:58,916 --> 00:33:02,679
has the patience to go in and like,

810
00:33:02,679 --> 00:33:08,984
let me see what's up first. And like not
like takes the time to develop a plan

811
00:33:08,984 --> 00:33:15,459
and a strategy. And you almost juxtapose
the the brashness of his actions earlier

812
00:33:15,459 --> 00:33:18,071
in the movie, like shooting the Cyclops
and going his own way.

813
00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:17,060
Mm-hmm.

814
00:33:18,565 --> 00:33:20,858
Versus now at the end understanding,

815
00:33:20,858 --> 00:33:23,202
okay, I need to be more methodical,

816
00:33:23,202 --> 00:33:28,950
more careful, like I need to be mature in
how I approach this situation.

817
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:32,095
All of it. Just all of it. All of it.

818
00:33:31,003 --> 00:33:32,154
Right. And

819
00:33:32,154 --> 00:33:36,076
the the ending bit we're doing spoilers
everywhere,

820
00:33:36,076 --> 00:33:40,960
~ but the ending bit of him and Penelope
sailing away,

821
00:33:36,432 --> 00:33:37,432
Yes.

822
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,484
doing the thing that she had recommended
they do at the beginning and

823
00:33:46,484 --> 00:33:50,316
the fact that like all of it stemmed from
his regret of carrying

824
00:33:50,316 --> 00:33:52,048
out Agamemnon's power

825
00:33:53,324 --> 00:33:58,827
~ desire and breaking Zeus's law and like
he talks about the fact that like

826
00:33:59,047 --> 00:34:04,639
he has he felt like he has destroyed you
know this civilization with

827
00:34:04,639 --> 00:34:10,022
his trickery and everything all part of
the like I don't even want to come back

828
00:34:10,022 --> 00:34:14,154
and face a different world than when I
left because of what I've done

829
00:34:14,534 --> 00:34:18,886
and the fact that he's able to then go
back at the end and basically be like

830
00:34:14,564 --> 00:34:15,564
Right.

831
00:34:19,524 --> 00:34:21,036
Alright, I'm letting go of all that.

832
00:34:21,036 --> 00:34:24,771
He he has a scene where he is just
floating on the raft,

833
00:34:24,771 --> 00:34:27,114
basically being like, Just take me.

834
00:34:27,114 --> 00:34:32,320
I can no longer I my choice is a my
control I can't control everything,

835
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,803
therefore like I have to

836
00:34:34,064 --> 00:34:35,064
That was

837
00:34:35,645 --> 00:34:41,228
that moment too as he leaves the island of
Calypso and she is telling

838
00:34:41,228 --> 00:34:46,151
him you have to let go and just release
control.

839
00:34:46,151 --> 00:34:49,483
You know, we talk I just mentioned Ryan
Holliday earlier.

840
00:34:49,483 --> 00:34:54,596
Like it is those ideas of there are things
like if you try to control

841
00:34:54,596 --> 00:34:58,018
it and there's just you don't have the
power to control them,

842
00:34:56,977 --> 00:34:57,977
Yeah.

843
00:34:58,018 --> 00:35:00,742
it will just breed frustration and
probably determine.

844
00:35:00,250 --> 00:35:01,250
He tries to

845
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,504
control his crew, he tries to like like
control their own morality

846
00:35:05,605 --> 00:35:09,448
and like that's all just Yeah.

847
00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:10,370
I

848
00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:14,706
will say when he walks over to that hole
and they're eating

849
00:35:14,706 --> 00:35:18,630
the cow and he has and then Damon has that
look on his face,

850
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:21,053
I think I laughed out loud. Like that was
kind of funny.

851
00:35:21,053 --> 00:35:24,947
He was like, Really, guys? Like I told
you.

852
00:35:24,157 --> 00:35:25,157
Come on.

853
00:35:24,947 --> 00:35:27,240
but

854
00:35:27,172 --> 00:35:28,172
Yeah.

855
00:35:27,633 --> 00:35:31,156
I think that was I think that whole him as
a hero,

856
00:35:31,156 --> 00:35:35,721
but as a flawed hero, a flawed protagonist
that

857
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,799
Yeah. Yeah.

858
00:35:36,882 --> 00:35:38,484
in some ways the like

859
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:46,832
It seems like Christopher Nolan takes his
lens and points it at Matt Damon

860
00:35:46,832 --> 00:35:50,135
and be like, Why do you think he's cool?

861
00:35:50,135 --> 00:35:53,977
If you thought it was because of his great
military mind,

862
00:35:53,977 --> 00:35:55,929
it's actually something he regrets.

863
00:35:55,929 --> 00:36:00,201
Like this shows Troy and all of that

864
00:36:00,322 --> 00:36:03,323
as nasty nasty stuff.

865
00:36:02,883 --> 00:36:03,883
Yeah. Bad.

866
00:36:03,323 --> 00:36:04,323
Like

867
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:04,829
It's bad.

868
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,440
It's bad.

869
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:10,802
And and I think Cersei even says it in the
scene of like you call their savagery

870
00:36:10,862 --> 00:36:15,453
like discipline and you say like they just
follow orders and they just have these

871
00:36:15,453 --> 00:36:17,964
carnal desires, you think that that's a
pro.

872
00:36:17,964 --> 00:36:21,005
Like this is actually like they're like
animals to me.

873
00:36:21,005 --> 00:36:26,267
And the the fact that he has dealt with
the regret I I

874
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,000
r read somewhere that that the

875
00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:35,194
Zendaya's face, maybe she might have been
the priestess for Athena,

876
00:36:35,194 --> 00:36:39,957
and that so Athena, like the form of
Athena in his mind,

877
00:36:35,483 --> 00:36:36,483
Yeah.

878
00:36:39,957 --> 00:36:44,809
is seeing the beheaded priestess as part
of it,

879
00:36:43,290 --> 00:36:44,290
Right, then they

880
00:36:44,809 --> 00:36:48,251
and like that haunts him. It goes through
as a hero,

881
00:36:48,251 --> 00:36:52,264
and the things that we would think in our
society is really cool,

882
00:36:52,264 --> 00:36:54,285
is like you're an awesome fighter,

883
00:36:54,285 --> 00:36:57,496
you're a great strategist, you're a cool
captain,

884
00:36:57,496 --> 00:36:59,708
are all the things that are his downfall.

885
00:37:00,644 --> 00:37:04,726
And the things that like even his fighting
off the suitors,

886
00:37:04,726 --> 00:37:06,827
which we're like rooting for at the end,

887
00:37:06,827 --> 00:37:09,788
that still comes with a bit of like,

888
00:37:09,788 --> 00:37:12,329
~ this may cost him his life as well,

889
00:37:12,329 --> 00:37:18,432
and all of this, like, is not necessarily
like this wonderful thing.

890
00:37:19,888 --> 00:37:20,888
Right.

891
00:37:20,002 --> 00:37:21,002
So

892
00:37:20,312 --> 00:37:25,867
I I mean I loved the character and how it
makes us turn our more

893
00:37:25,867 --> 00:37:30,421
of a Western mindset of what makes a cool
John Wayne esque hero and turns

894
00:37:28,505 --> 00:37:29,505
Yeah.

895
00:37:30,421 --> 00:37:32,523
it on its head and goes like, Hey,

896
00:37:32,523 --> 00:37:37,808
this thing you thought he was really cool
for probably one of his worst qualities.

897
00:37:38,521 --> 00:37:41,582
Yeah, and you they take Troy,

898
00:37:41,582 --> 00:37:45,533
which is in movies or even in the stories,

899
00:37:45,533 --> 00:37:47,343
just like they're just the antagonist.

900
00:37:47,343 --> 00:37:51,264
They're just who we defeat. Like it's just
who is defeated in the story.

901
00:37:49,573 --> 00:37:51,193
Right. Right.

902
00:37:51,264 --> 00:37:54,475
They take it and turn it and they actually
make you have some compassion

903
00:37:54,475 --> 00:37:58,666
on them because like that scene is
harrowing as they are destroying the city.

904
00:37:57,499 --> 00:37:58,499
Right.

905
00:37:58,666 --> 00:38:02,227
And then you see ~ Agamemnon's army as
these like vicious,

906
00:38:02,227 --> 00:38:04,317
like no mercy dudes. Like well,

907
00:38:04,317 --> 00:38:06,868
they're not good either. Like it's just so
yeah.

908
00:38:05,541 --> 00:38:06,541
Right.

909
00:38:06,868 --> 00:38:08,088
Costum

910
00:38:08,548 --> 00:38:11,895
Side note, costume design for Arg
Agamemnon was amazing.

911
00:38:11,895 --> 00:38:14,240
Like ~ wonderful.

912
00:38:13,968 --> 00:38:14,968
Costume

913
00:38:14,419 --> 00:38:17,723
design in general was excellent because it
was

914
00:38:17,723 --> 00:38:24,502
so grounded and real in a way that felt
like,

915
00:38:24,502 --> 00:38:31,492
this is not how I think of people dressing
up as Greeks and like Trojans.

916
00:38:29,828 --> 00:38:31,489
Right, right. And it was Ellen

917
00:38:31,709 --> 00:38:34,702
Mirotnik, I believe it's it. She was
costume designed.

918
00:38:34,702 --> 00:38:39,315
She she killed it. And that that helmet
for Agamemnon is gonna be in memes

919
00:38:34,936 --> 00:38:36,227
Okay. Yeah.

920
00:38:39,315 --> 00:38:40,636
for the next five years, I think.

921
00:38:39,994 --> 00:38:40,994
That's

922
00:38:40,925 --> 00:38:46,721
you know, I hoped to see some ~ Comic

923
00:38:46,721 --> 00:38:50,294
Con people cosplay and and make their own
helmets.

924
00:38:47,772 --> 00:38:49,370
~ that'll be good.

925
00:38:50,294 --> 00:38:53,517
That's like Mandalorian level quality
helmets.

926
00:38:53,517 --> 00:38:55,799
But let's get to the worst part of this
movie.

927
00:38:53,988 --> 00:38:54,988
That'll be good.

928
00:38:55,869 --> 00:38:57,039
Wait before wait before you do,

929
00:38:57,039 --> 00:39:01,310
before you do, I wanna just one more deep
thing as you were saying.

930
00:39:00,728 --> 00:39:01,728
~ yeah yeah.

931
00:39:01,310 --> 00:39:05,881
Tom Holland, you know, I was concerned I
would see Spider Man throughout

932
00:39:05,881 --> 00:39:07,912
the whole thing. I don't think I did.

933
00:39:05,883 --> 00:39:06,883
Mm-hmm.

934
00:39:07,912 --> 00:39:14,554
And the scene where he comes face to face
with Odysseus outside the gate

935
00:39:14,554 --> 00:39:18,675
and he realizes it's his dad, whom you
understand from the story,

936
00:39:14,645 --> 00:39:16,751
~ huh.

937
00:39:18,675 --> 00:39:21,376
he never s saw him. Like he wouldn't know
what he looks like,

938
00:39:21,339 --> 00:39:22,339
Right.

939
00:39:21,376 --> 00:39:22,456
but he just comes to know.

940
00:39:23,088 --> 00:39:27,332
The dog cried, like I just cried when that
happened.

941
00:39:27,332 --> 00:39:32,496
But but Tom Holland's face acting in that
moment when he's looking at Odysseus,

942
00:39:32,496 --> 00:39:35,259
and I kind of am affected by fatherly
stuff anyway,

943
00:39:35,141 --> 00:39:36,141
Yeah.

944
00:39:35,259 --> 00:39:38,982
but like super deep. And as you were
saying,

945
00:39:37,562 --> 00:39:38,562
Yeah.

946
00:39:38,982 --> 00:39:41,604
themes of the movie, that idea of waiting,

947
00:39:41,604 --> 00:39:48,180
just waiting and trusting that this person
who tele Telemachus

948
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:50,452
has no reason to trust, never.

949
00:39:50,896 --> 00:39:52,798
Got to speak to him, didn't know him as a
father,

950
00:39:52,798 --> 00:39:56,674
had no reason to trust, but just from what
his mom has told him and what he's heard

951
00:39:56,674 --> 00:39:59,217
from other people and I guess what he
knows in his heart to just trust that

952
00:39:59,217 --> 00:40:02,491
his dad was coming back and like I don't
know,

953
00:40:02,491 --> 00:40:04,494
that that moment was was very effective.

954
00:40:04,494 --> 00:40:07,828
And so thumbs up on that. Yes,

955
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:08,109
Hmm. Yes. Wonderful.

956
00:40:07,828 --> 00:40:08,828
but the worst part.

957
00:40:09,172 --> 00:40:10,535
Worst part is the body horror.

958
00:40:11,395 --> 00:40:12,841
Nate, I was not ready for body heart.

959
00:40:14,328 --> 00:40:18,320
It is the thing that when I think about
seeing it one more time in theaters,

960
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,493
I was like, I gotta do that one more time.

961
00:40:20,493 --> 00:40:23,995
I'm going to give this as a credit.

962
00:40:23,995 --> 00:40:27,298
The Cersei the Witch turns the men into
pigs.

963
00:40:27,298 --> 00:40:32,431
There there is a lot of skin moving,

964
00:40:27,769 --> 00:40:28,769
Yes.

965
00:40:32,431 --> 00:40:36,965
jaw moving, transformation stuff that I do
not enjoy.

966
00:40:36,965 --> 00:40:41,198
Let me tell you something. I don't think
we're supposed to enjoy it.

967
00:40:37,295 --> 00:40:38,316
No, I do not.

968
00:40:41,948 --> 00:40:45,865
I think it's meant to be pretty visceral
and scary.

969
00:40:45,007 --> 00:40:46,007
Yes.

970
00:40:46,009 --> 00:40:50,228
And the social media ~ reaction to it I
think is also that,

971
00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:51,144
Yeah. It is not

972
00:40:50,228 --> 00:40:51,228
like,

973
00:40:51,405 --> 00:40:56,579
as scary as that trailer that plays before
this movie.

974
00:40:54,021 --> 00:40:55,053
Jessica Chastain.

975
00:40:56,858 --> 00:40:59,764
I was so I did I did not like that.

976
00:40:59,764 --> 00:41:02,049
And it looks like no one liked it from
social media.

977
00:41:01,412 --> 00:41:02,412
Okay, good.

978
00:41:02,049 --> 00:41:03,049
No.

979
00:41:02,896 --> 00:41:05,212
Good. Remove that from in front of the
Odyssey and you have

980
00:41:05,212 --> 00:41:07,567
a great movie experience. ~

981
00:41:07,129 --> 00:41:08,129
When did you close

982
00:41:07,834 --> 00:41:09,729
your eyes for that trailer or did you
watch the whole thing?

983
00:41:09,978 --> 00:41:11,790
I looked away. yeah, I looked away.

984
00:41:11,790 --> 00:41:17,171
I don't close my eyes. I just kind of look
and let my peripheral vision catch

985
00:41:11,983 --> 00:41:13,452
Wha at what moment did you know to look
away?

986
00:41:17,171 --> 00:41:18,704
it from the side.

987
00:41:18,137 --> 00:41:19,137
Did you w when

988
00:41:18,872 --> 00:41:20,220
did you look away? At what moment?

989
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:21,220
Do you remember?

990
00:41:20,972 --> 00:41:24,616
When the stove alarm started going off,

991
00:41:24,616 --> 00:41:27,299
I knew before this is a horror movie,

992
00:41:27,299 --> 00:41:32,385
~ but when the stove started going off and
there was a single teardrop coming from

993
00:41:28,859 --> 00:41:29,859
What are you

994
00:41:32,385 --> 00:41:34,327
Jessica Chastain's smiling face,

995
00:41:34,327 --> 00:41:37,771
I said, You will not find me watching the
rest of this trailer.

996
00:41:39,272 --> 00:41:41,355
One, Winnie turned over to me,

997
00:41:41,355 --> 00:41:44,219
she was like, Pasta doesn't burn like that
in a pot.

998
00:41:44,219 --> 00:41:47,063
And I was like, that's very good.

999
00:41:47,063 --> 00:41:48,504
I didn't didn't think about that.

1000
00:41:47,069 --> 00:41:49,010
All right. That's it. That's yep.

1001
00:41:48,504 --> 00:41:52,710
And then two, once I saw Jessica Chastain
under that table,

1002
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:56,245
eyes sealed shut the rest of the time.

1003
00:41:55,526 --> 00:41:56,526
To be to

1004
00:41:56,417 --> 00:42:01,421
be fair, I did however I did see her under
the table.

1005
00:42:01,421 --> 00:42:03,843
So I guess I was kind of like flickering.

1006
00:42:01,786 --> 00:42:02,786
That was all I

1007
00:42:03,843 --> 00:42:05,044
I saw under the table and I was like,

1008
00:42:05,044 --> 00:42:07,926
we won't be seeing this anymore.

1009
00:42:06,809 --> 00:42:07,809
No, no no no.

1010
00:42:07,926 --> 00:42:11,909
I don't let's talk about horror movies
real quick.

1011
00:42:11,909 --> 00:42:14,412
One more thing before we leave the
Odyssey.

1012
00:42:13,507 --> 00:42:14,507
Yeah. Everybody

1013
00:42:14,463 --> 00:42:16,950
wants Christopher Nolan to do a horror
movie now because of the pig scene.

1014
00:42:17,164 --> 00:42:21,235
Well, here's the thing. I am committed to
watching every Christopher Nolan movie

1015
00:42:21,235 --> 00:42:27,147
until he stops making movies, but I I
don't want him to do a horror movie.

1016
00:42:21,473 --> 00:42:23,204
Oof. Sure.

1017
00:42:27,129 --> 00:42:29,636
No, please, please don't. Do not.

1018
00:42:27,147 --> 00:42:33,330
Please don't. Please don't I like I hope
this like was enough.

1019
00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:38,951
Christopher Nolan, did you watch this with
people and see them cringe and go like,

1020
00:42:34,501 --> 00:42:35,501
Feel like yeah.

1021
00:42:38,951 --> 00:42:40,172
~ okay, good.

1022
00:42:41,315 --> 00:42:43,036
I hope not. Anyway, yeah, that trailer was
terrible.

1023
00:42:43,036 --> 00:42:48,278
But Cersei. What is the actress name?

1024
00:42:45,882 --> 00:42:49,698
Mm-hmm. Fantastic. Fantastic performance.

1025
00:42:48,278 --> 00:42:51,579
I'm trying to find it. Samantha Morton.

1026
00:42:49,698 --> 00:42:50,698
Samantha Morton.

1027
00:42:51,579 --> 00:42:55,500
Her performance was amaz. It is the most
disturbing performance.

1028
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:57,491
And Christopher Nolan even said I saw an
interview where he was talking

1029
00:42:57,491 --> 00:42:59,532
to somebody in the junket, and he was
like,

1030
00:42:59,532 --> 00:43:02,143
We just let her go and it was pretty wild.

1031
00:43:02,143 --> 00:43:03,143
It's like

1032
00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:08,479
He I believe that she said that she didn't
know that she was like humming until

1033
00:43:08,479 --> 00:43:12,084
she saw the movie. Like she didn't know
like while she was in the scene,

1034
00:43:12,084 --> 00:43:15,019
she didn't know like part of it was just
humming a little tune.

1035
00:43:12,386 --> 00:43:13,386
Ooh.

1036
00:43:15,705 --> 00:43:16,705
Woof.

1037
00:43:17,666 --> 00:43:18,670
I don't like that at all.

1038
00:43:19,236 --> 00:43:23,782
I think that's good stuff. The I will say
this.

1039
00:43:20,825 --> 00:43:21,825
I don't like that tidbit.

1040
00:43:23,782 --> 00:43:28,509
I think every I'm not sure there's one is
there

1041
00:43:28,509 --> 00:43:34,257
a one I was a Travis Scott's bard at

1042
00:43:34,257 --> 00:43:36,219
the very beginning I was like

1043
00:43:37,201 --> 00:43:40,783
What is this voice? But that was back when
I thought that people were gonna

1044
00:43:38,287 --> 00:43:39,287
Yeah, what's happening?

1045
00:43:40,783 --> 00:43:42,503
be doing British accents, I think.

1046
00:43:42,503 --> 00:43:44,282
And the fact that when it was like,

1047
00:43:42,593 --> 00:43:43,734
I say, sure, sure.

1048
00:43:44,282 --> 00:43:49,056
everyone's doing sort of a vague American
middle America sort of accent,

1049
00:43:47,075 --> 00:43:48,075
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1050
00:43:49,056 --> 00:43:50,227
I was like, all right, I'm back.

1051
00:43:50,227 --> 00:43:54,759
But I think everyone's acting performance
was like there was

1052
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:51,390
Yeah.

1053
00:43:54,759 --> 00:43:59,261
no like super take me out of it
performance.

1054
00:43:59,261 --> 00:44:01,432
And I think Anne Hathaway

1055
00:44:02,362 --> 00:44:04,714
The way that she cries and breaks,

1056
00:44:04,714 --> 00:44:10,859
the way her chin trembles when she's
trying to hold in tears.

1057
00:44:08,963 --> 00:44:11,738
Yes. Yes.

1058
00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:14,021
I mean, we go back to the Le Miz,

1059
00:44:14,021 --> 00:44:20,987
I dreamed a dream scene, like no one face
acts sorrow like Anne

1060
00:44:20,987 --> 00:44:21,987
Hathaway.

1061
00:44:21,901 --> 00:44:24,094
Or when she realizes it's Odysseus at the
end,

1062
00:44:24,094 --> 00:44:28,339
like her face is the one you want to see
to make that realization.

1063
00:44:28,339 --> 00:44:32,724
Like amazing. But the pig scene,

1064
00:44:30,733 --> 00:44:31,733
So good.

1065
00:44:32,724 --> 00:44:34,687
Nate. ~

1066
00:44:34,118 --> 00:44:35,118
I don't know if there's

1067
00:44:34,729 --> 00:44:38,948
much more to say about it except when I
give my recommendations for people

1068
00:44:38,948 --> 00:44:42,085
to see this, whom I love, I tell them,

1069
00:44:39,993 --> 00:44:40,993
Yeah.

1070
00:44:42,085 --> 00:44:44,731
It's amazing, there's some body horror.

1071
00:44:46,135 --> 00:44:52,187
I just one, apparently there was a lot of
practical effects in that scene

1072
00:44:52,215 --> 00:44:55,433
of like modeling clay and stuff,

1073
00:44:52,378 --> 00:44:54,875
Yeah, I could see it. Yeah, yeah.

1074
00:44:54,875 --> 00:44:56,520
Like you

1075
00:44:55,433 --> 00:44:56,433
animatronics, whatever.

1076
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,210
put your hand inside of a mouth that is
not a real human mouth and like,

1077
00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:01,210
okay.

1078
00:45:00,493 --> 00:45:01,493
Yeah.

1079
00:45:01,265 --> 00:45:02,687
I wouldn't know. I didn't see it.

1080
00:45:02,687 --> 00:45:05,132
But as the scene was happening,

1081
00:45:05,132 --> 00:45:08,889
I had my eyes closed, as you do.

1082
00:45:08,398 --> 00:45:09,398
You looked away

1083
00:45:09,235 --> 00:45:10,235
for it.

1084
00:45:10,949 --> 00:45:16,088
Yeah, I don't need those ~ I just just

1085
00:45:11,820 --> 00:45:15,625
I stared at every pixel of that frame.

1086
00:45:15,625 --> 00:45:16,947
I couldn't look away.

1087
00:45:16,088 --> 00:45:20,365
the first I saw like the first couple
seconds and that was enough to kind

1088
00:45:20,365 --> 00:45:22,108
of haunt me the night and the night after,

1089
00:45:22,108 --> 00:45:25,153
like just thinking what yeah.

1090
00:45:23,331 --> 00:45:25,362
Alright, so this is this is where

1091
00:45:25,803 --> 00:45:28,285
we want to talk. I want to talk about
horror movies for a second.

1092
00:45:28,285 --> 00:45:31,547
Just sort of like seeing Jessica Chastain
under a table.

1093
00:45:31,547 --> 00:45:35,011
If you see something,

1094
00:45:33,571 --> 00:45:35,307
Which on the face of it doesn't sound
scary,

1095
00:45:35,011 --> 00:45:39,414
if you see something, yeah, it it's
terrifying.

1096
00:45:35,307 --> 00:45:36,307
but

1097
00:45:39,414 --> 00:45:42,527
No, no, no, no, no,

1098
00:45:39,451 --> 00:45:41,181
It's she's not just sitting under the
table.

1099
00:45:41,181 --> 00:45:46,537
Let's just say that. It's sh she's not
sitting crisscross applesauce.

1100
00:45:42,527 --> 00:45:47,041
no. She's in a position you wouldn't want
Jessica Chestane or any human to be in.

1101
00:45:46,537 --> 00:45:48,229
She's not crisscross applesauce,

1102
00:45:47,041 --> 00:45:50,964
Correct. ~ listen.

1103
00:45:48,229 --> 00:45:49,229
okay?

1104
00:45:52,022 --> 00:45:57,874
I worry that if I stop watching after
seeing the scariest thing,

1105
00:45:57,874 --> 00:46:01,496
that my mind will go like, okay,

1106
00:46:01,496 --> 00:46:07,208
that's the opening frame for a little
brain picture I like to call imagine

1107
00:46:07,208 --> 00:46:09,059
the scariest thing to happen next.

1108
00:46:09,059 --> 00:46:14,772
So there is part of me that worries that
my own imagination is also

1109
00:46:10,924 --> 00:46:11,924
Sure.

1110
00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:20,244
a great horror director. And so sometimes
I think I must.

1111
00:46:20,788 --> 00:46:26,719
swim through the whirlpool to pivot out
the other side.

1112
00:46:22,708 --> 00:46:25,651
Mm. You gotta you gotta Winston Churchill.

1113
00:46:25,651 --> 00:46:27,283
Winston

1114
00:46:27,283 --> 00:46:28,855
Churchill says if you're walking through
hell,

1115
00:46:28,855 --> 00:46:31,449
keep walking. Or don't stop or whatever.

1116
00:46:30,362 --> 00:46:31,614
Right. And I kept

1117
00:46:31,614 --> 00:46:34,639
walking all the way to the pig time.

1118
00:46:35,213 --> 00:46:40,545
I see. Well I watched them return from the
pig time and so I at least

1119
00:46:39,857 --> 00:46:40,857
Mm-hmm.

1120
00:46:40,545 --> 00:46:42,326
got that which was much more mild,

1121
00:46:42,326 --> 00:46:47,028
I think. but I just I just need to say my
wife was sitting next to me,

1122
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:43,960
Yes.

1123
00:46:47,028 --> 00:46:50,450
who does not like anything horror movies,

1124
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,061
Yeah. Yeah.

1125
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:53,231
does not like, you know, all that kind of
stuff.

1126
00:46:53,231 --> 00:46:56,352
And as I was turned ninety degrees with my
eyes closed,

1127
00:46:56,352 --> 00:46:59,034
I opened one eye to just see what my wife
was doing.

1128
00:46:59,034 --> 00:47:01,965
No problem. No problem watching the scene.

1129
00:47:01,037 --> 00:47:02,037
See, that's

1130
00:47:01,999 --> 00:47:04,425
the thing. Jill watched it with me.

1131
00:47:04,425 --> 00:47:06,371
She had no problem with that scene.

1132
00:47:06,671 --> 00:47:07,877
She said it was like modeling clay.

1133
00:47:07,877 --> 00:47:10,248
That's liter that was Whitney's words to
She's It's like modeling clay,

1134
00:47:10,248 --> 00:47:11,248
whatever.

1135
00:47:10,256 --> 00:47:11,256
Yeah, it

1136
00:47:10,668 --> 00:47:13,389
was just she was just stretching their
faces into pigs.

1137
00:47:13,389 --> 00:47:15,659
You know, as they do.

1138
00:47:14,696 --> 00:47:15,696
okay, I like I

1139
00:47:15,677 --> 00:47:19,482
guess your mind doesn't try to then
imagine what that would feel like

1140
00:47:19,482 --> 00:47:20,764
in real life later that night,

1141
00:47:20,764 --> 00:47:22,436
'cause that's what I do. That's why I
can't see it.

1142
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,800
Mm-hmm.

1143
00:47:22,436 --> 00:47:24,930
'Cause that is horrifying. But anyway,

1144
00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:25,930
sorry.

1145
00:47:25,572 --> 00:47:26,572
I

1146
00:47:25,692 --> 00:47:31,491
think maybe you should watch that scene on
like a I'm sure you got like

1147
00:47:31,491 --> 00:47:34,125
an iPhone five laying around somewhere.

1148
00:47:34,125 --> 00:47:38,531
If you held that at arm's length and
played it

1149
00:47:34,299 --> 00:47:35,638
You know, I got an iPod video.

1150
00:47:38,575 --> 00:47:42,328
Maybe with my glasses off. Just so it's a
little blurry.

1151
00:47:42,021 --> 00:47:45,237
I think it's something sm if it's a
picture in

1152
00:47:42,328 --> 00:47:45,089
S small, post just.

1153
00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:48,853
picture and that's happening and on the
outside of the scene,

1154
00:47:48,853 --> 00:47:52,168
you know, is like yeah,

1155
00:47:48,990 --> 00:47:51,725
yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like rainbows and
butterflies or something.

1156
00:47:52,168 --> 00:47:54,723
the the fainting goats happening or
something.

1157
00:47:55,664 --> 00:47:59,397
I well anyway, I might I might try to
watch it later.

1158
00:47:59,397 --> 00:48:02,258
'Cause that will be the scene like so my
oldest son,

1159
00:48:02,258 --> 00:48:03,609
he's a senior in high school this year,

1160
00:48:03,394 --> 00:48:06,265
Mm-hmm. Mm. Wonderful.

1161
00:48:03,609 --> 00:48:05,551
he's actually reading the Odyssey this
year.

1162
00:48:05,551 --> 00:48:10,073
So it's pretty well timing and like after
we finished watching,

1163
00:48:10,073 --> 00:48:12,863
even Wendy like, you know, rated R,

1164
00:48:12,863 --> 00:48:18,159
pretty mild R overall. Like the pig scene
might be why it's an R.

1165
00:48:18,446 --> 00:48:20,039
Cyclops chomps the dude's head,

1166
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:21,512
but that's kinda from farther away.

1167
00:48:21,512 --> 00:48:22,512
It's not

1168
00:48:21,837 --> 00:48:22,837
Yeah,

1169
00:48:22,207 --> 00:48:24,238
it's darker, you know. But you know,

1170
00:48:24,238 --> 00:48:26,210
if he reads the book and we want to see it
at home,

1171
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:29,352
do we skip the pig scene? Do we you know,

1172
00:48:29,352 --> 00:48:30,672
that'll be the question. I don't know.

1173
00:48:30,298 --> 00:48:31,298
Yeah, for sure.

1174
00:48:30,672 --> 00:48:33,634
I don't know. We'll see. I will not be
watching we'll see.

1175
00:48:33,634 --> 00:48:34,975
I'll I'll I'll think about it.

1176
00:48:34,152 --> 00:48:35,152
I think you will.

1177
00:48:35,013 --> 00:48:39,355
I think you will. I have a tiny,

1178
00:48:37,083 --> 00:48:38,083
We'll see.

1179
00:48:39,355 --> 00:48:42,497
tiny knit to pick in this fantastic movie.

1180
00:48:41,165 --> 00:48:42,944
Okay. Sure.

1181
00:48:42,497 --> 00:48:46,859
I thought the tentacled monster,

1182
00:48:46,859 --> 00:48:49,941
there's a name Celia Scylla potentially,

1183
00:48:49,941 --> 00:48:51,942
that comes down and grabs them.

1184
00:48:50,235 --> 00:48:52,895
Something, yeah. Yeah, six of them.

1185
00:48:51,942 --> 00:48:55,664
Didn't love the CG of that.

1186
00:48:56,570 --> 00:49:01,492
That felt like do you remember Galaxy
Quest when there was a rock monster?

1187
00:49:01,492 --> 00:49:05,848
Or like it if it felt like an early type
of CG.

1188
00:49:06,457 --> 00:49:09,505
I feel like Star Wars prequels CG a little
bit.

1189
00:49:09,368 --> 00:49:10,368
Yeah,

1190
00:49:09,808 --> 00:49:13,190
it felt a little a little Stargate.

1191
00:49:12,261 --> 00:49:13,465
Little Sarlac Pit.

1192
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:18,112
A little Stargate Atlantis kind of like
feeling to it.

1193
00:49:16,987 --> 00:49:17,987
Yeah, that was a little

1194
00:49:18,112 --> 00:49:24,895
And so I had the thought of like Do it
there was there's been people

1195
00:49:21,915 --> 00:49:22,915
Yeah, yeah.

1196
00:49:24,895 --> 00:49:28,467
in this anti CG discussions that are
everywhere.

1197
00:49:28,467 --> 00:49:31,729
They're like, Yeah, and they really yanked
people out of there out of

1198
00:49:28,837 --> 00:49:29,837
Yeah, yeah.

1199
00:49:31,729 --> 00:49:32,879
the boat for real. I was like,

1200
00:49:32,879 --> 00:49:34,660
Well that's great, but

1201
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:36,119
The tentacles.

1202
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:40,890
The little the little rock thing that came
the tentacles w you know,

1203
00:49:40,036 --> 00:49:41,036
Yeah, but that's

1204
00:49:40,890 --> 00:49:46,312
that's all CG and I was like I didn't I
didn't think that was great.

1205
00:49:46,312 --> 00:49:50,863
Small knit to pick. That actually took me
that moment took me out of

1206
00:49:46,403 --> 00:49:49,140
Yeah, that was a little like small nit,

1207
00:49:49,140 --> 00:49:50,140
small nit.

1208
00:49:50,863 --> 00:49:52,293
the movie a little bit when I was like,

1209
00:49:52,293 --> 00:49:58,126
this has been so like in camera feeling
and then that was like what is that sort

1210
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:59,524
Well when when they when it's when

1211
00:49:58,126 --> 00:49:59,126
of swirly rock?

1212
00:49:59,524 --> 00:50:03,129
it slurps back into the mountain I think
is what does it 'cause if you just

1213
00:50:02,276 --> 00:50:03,276
Yeah.

1214
00:50:03,129 --> 00:50:05,182
see the tentacles and the guy's throw like
I couldn't tell,

1215
00:50:05,182 --> 00:50:07,647
is this a kraken? Is this a you know,

1216
00:50:07,647 --> 00:50:08,647
you don't know what it is.

1217
00:50:07,962 --> 00:50:08,962
I wanted to know

1218
00:50:08,753 --> 00:50:11,595
the the the thing that's picking them up.

1219
00:50:11,595 --> 00:50:15,017
I couldn't discern a pincer?

1220
00:50:11,822 --> 00:50:16,177
Yes. Is that a mouth? Is that a pincer?

1221
00:50:15,017 --> 00:50:18,100
Is that a is there a thumb and a
forefinger?

1222
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:19,941
Or is it just kinda like Velcro?

1223
00:50:19,941 --> 00:50:23,504
It looked like just a nub of rock came
down and st yes.

1224
00:50:21,156 --> 00:50:23,769
Just sticky. Yeah,

1225
00:50:23,769 --> 00:50:25,671
yeah, yeah. Like it's a I don't know.

1226
00:50:25,671 --> 00:50:27,614
I don't know. But that was that was it.

1227
00:50:26,618 --> 00:50:27,868
It wasn't a face. It definitely

1228
00:50:27,868 --> 00:50:28,946
wasn't face like.

1229
00:50:29,594 --> 00:50:31,318
I don't know if it had a face.

1230
00:50:31,318 --> 00:50:34,806
Side note sh yes.

1231
00:50:31,588 --> 00:50:33,529
I really wish I would have seen less of
it.

1232
00:50:33,529 --> 00:50:36,491
I think is what I wish. Cause I think

1233
00:50:34,806 --> 00:50:36,590
That I would agree to that.

1234
00:50:36,931 --> 00:50:41,253
I think speaking of a restrained part of
the movie,

1235
00:50:41,253 --> 00:50:46,216
the siren song moment of them putting the
wax in and the sound getting

1236
00:50:46,216 --> 00:50:50,048
all dampened and we don't hear the siren
song,

1237
00:50:47,396 --> 00:50:50,462
So good. You don't hear the sirens on?

1238
00:50:50,048 --> 00:50:51,559
but we just get to imagine.

1239
00:50:53,092 --> 00:50:54,092
Chef's

1240
00:50:53,352 --> 00:50:56,985
kiss. Chef's kiss. The Hades scene,

1241
00:50:56,985 --> 00:51:02,360
by the way, they actually buried the
actors in sand and they had

1242
00:51:01,892 --> 00:51:03,653
And gave him snorkels. Yeah, we.

1243
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,854
si and gave snorkels. I think we've seen
all the same reels,

1244
00:51:03,653 --> 00:51:07,437
That's so cool. So cool. We have.

1245
00:51:06,854 --> 00:51:10,376
mate. I think our algorithms are just as
one this week.

1246
00:51:07,437 --> 00:51:10,859
Yes, we correct,

1247
00:51:10,376 --> 00:51:15,541
All Odyssey. ~ you got anything else
before we write this movie?

1248
00:51:10,859 --> 00:51:14,402
correct. And I don't mind. Okay.

1249
00:51:14,402 --> 00:51:16,124
I have one more thing.

1250
00:51:15,541 --> 00:51:16,792
Yes, please.

1251
00:51:19,228 --> 00:51:23,090
I really appreciate that this movie felt
like

1252
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:30,112
an art form because it felt like it was
made by people,

1253
00:51:25,209 --> 00:51:26,209
Yeah.

1254
00:51:30,112 --> 00:51:36,375
a whole crew of people, who took their
jobs very,

1255
00:51:32,655 --> 00:51:33,655
Yeah.

1256
00:51:36,375 --> 00:51:42,337
very, very seriously. And that is
something that man,

1257
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,520
Yes.

1258
00:51:42,337 --> 00:51:44,308
I almost well, am I gonna say it?

1259
00:51:44,308 --> 00:51:47,840
I am gonna say it. As an artist myself

1260
00:51:50,183 --> 00:51:52,280
Sure. Sure.

1261
00:51:50,342 --> 00:51:52,423
As a father, as an art

1262
00:51:52,423 --> 00:51:56,685
no, as an artist, I think that there

1263
00:51:56,685 --> 00:52:03,248
is something beautiful about making art
that is meant to entertain and delight,

1264
00:52:03,248 --> 00:52:07,730
and yet doing it with an intensity and
focus

1265
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:11,372
and passion that

1266
00:52:12,020 --> 00:52:16,193
is way more than what actually it is doing
for the world.

1267
00:52:16,193 --> 00:52:19,205
Like going over the top with how much you
care,

1268
00:52:19,205 --> 00:52:22,797
even if at the end of it w like for
example,

1269
00:52:22,797 --> 00:52:27,110
what I get is a smile or someone enjoying
it for a little bit,

1270
00:52:27,110 --> 00:52:32,364
but I treat it with the type of care of of
like,

1271
00:52:32,364 --> 00:52:35,136
this is the most important thing in the
world while I'm in it.

1272
00:52:35,778 --> 00:52:41,940
I watched this movie and I felt like
everyone behind it felt like this was
super,

1273
00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:48,352
super important. And the care and the
craft of it shone through that

1274
00:52:48,352 --> 00:52:52,563
it wasn't just for box office or f there
wasn't a nostalgia play.

1275
00:52:52,563 --> 00:52:56,374
There wasn't a like, this is gonna rock
their socks or this is gonna make

1276
00:52:56,374 --> 00:52:57,894
for a great social media clip.

1277
00:52:57,894 --> 00:53:02,576
It just felt like a movie that was about a
story.

1278
00:53:03,502 --> 00:53:08,006
and a bunch of people very passionate
about making the best possible movie.

1279
00:53:09,038 --> 00:53:13,742
Yes. A hundred percent. And I think the no
CGI conversation

1280
00:53:14,083 --> 00:53:18,647
is really subconsciously a no AI
conversation.

1281
00:53:18,647 --> 00:53:25,424
I think people are saying that because it
is a anti if they I think what people want

1282
00:53:25,242 --> 00:53:26,294
I think it's a pro

1283
00:53:25,424 --> 00:53:26,424
to say

1284
00:53:26,294 --> 00:53:28,319
craft craftsmanship.

1285
00:53:27,845 --> 00:53:28,845
That's that's

1286
00:53:28,705 --> 00:53:32,137
what I'm saying. And I think what this
movie has done,

1287
00:53:32,137 --> 00:53:35,958
like in this particular period of time
that we are in,

1288
00:53:35,958 --> 00:53:39,001
where AI is here and all this stuff,

1289
00:53:36,134 --> 00:53:37,134
Mm-hmm.

1290
00:53:39,001 --> 00:53:43,823
people are like, okay, he did something
really hard.

1291
00:53:43,823 --> 00:53:46,665
The format is hard. IMAX cameras,

1292
00:53:44,154 --> 00:53:45,154
Yes.

1293
00:53:46,665 --> 00:53:50,056
first time the film has ever a film has
ever been recorded completely

1294
00:53:50,056 --> 00:53:53,208
on IMAX cameras. It only records for two
to three minutes at a time.

1295
00:53:53,208 --> 00:53:56,960
They had to build a stinking blimp to hold
it so it could dampen the sound.

1296
00:53:56,273 --> 00:53:57,273
They used mirrors

1297
00:53:57,237 --> 00:53:58,913
so they could see each other. We

1298
00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:59,321
They use mirrors, like like all of

1299
00:53:59,321 --> 00:54:02,374
that, and I think all of that actually
helps people understand,

1300
00:54:02,374 --> 00:54:07,338
like, okay, you can do something that's
really hard and it

1301
00:54:07,338 --> 00:54:11,021
be really great and people love it.

1302
00:54:11,021 --> 00:54:14,824
Like all those things are true at the same
time.

1303
00:54:11,942 --> 00:54:12,942
Yes.

1304
00:54:14,824 --> 00:54:20,929
And it is completely antithetical to
asking something to generate

1305
00:54:20,929 --> 00:54:24,072
an image that takes almost no effort.

1306
00:54:24,072 --> 00:54:26,954
It is almost no care involved.

1307
00:54:27,444 --> 00:54:32,255
And almost no one likes it. Like it is the
complete antithesis.

1308
00:54:29,734 --> 00:54:30,734
Right.

1309
00:54:32,255 --> 00:54:38,077
And I think one I think people wanted a
reason to go to the movies again.

1310
00:54:38,077 --> 00:54:41,278
Like we have not had this kind of moment,

1311
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:39,309
Mm.

1312
00:54:41,278 --> 00:54:44,749
I feel like since Endgame, which the
incredible irony,

1313
00:54:43,996 --> 00:54:44,996
Yes.

1314
00:54:44,749 --> 00:54:47,790
we now have the doomsday trailer out the
day after the Odyssey premiered,

1315
00:54:47,790 --> 00:54:49,640
and it looks like it's not gonna be very
good.

1316
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,712
And it's like But but Christopher Nolan
gave us a reason and the reason like

1317
00:54:55,544 --> 00:54:59,280
The reason why people went is because they
knew this was hard to make.

1318
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,486
Everybody was invested, like you were
saying.

1319
00:55:02,486 --> 00:55:04,449
Like no one was messing around.

1320
00:55:04,449 --> 00:55:05,449
Like

1321
00:55:04,539 --> 00:55:05,539
It was a mountain

1322
00:55:05,537 --> 00:55:06,806
of human effort.

1323
00:55:07,902 --> 00:55:10,735
Yes. And like that almost made me
emotional.

1324
00:55:10,735 --> 00:55:15,128
Like to just to know like we are still
capable of this.

1325
00:55:15,128 --> 00:55:18,271
Even with all the stuff out there,

1326
00:55:15,612 --> 00:55:16,612
Right.

1327
00:55:18,271 --> 00:55:21,653
human beings are still capable of making
something like this.

1328
00:55:21,653 --> 00:55:25,536
It takes a bunch of people working
together,

1329
00:55:25,536 --> 00:55:28,379
working towards the same end goal,

1330
00:55:28,379 --> 00:55:33,423
and it is an incredible. And like he told
that story.

1331
00:55:33,423 --> 00:55:37,166
And that is something that

1332
00:55:37,996 --> 00:55:42,818
I think AI and the generation stuff like
it it doesn't have the ability

1333
00:55:42,818 --> 00:55:46,850
to tell a compelling story. And that's
what this was.

1334
00:55:46,850 --> 00:55:49,591
And it doesn't matter that the story is
three thousand years old.

1335
00:55:49,591 --> 00:55:53,532
You would think that that would somehow
make it less applicable to 2026.

1336
00:55:53,532 --> 00:55:58,375
But actually it is applicable today
because it was told so well

1337
00:55:58,655 --> 00:56:04,097
and everybody telling it cared enough to
do give it everything

1338
00:56:02,365 --> 00:56:04,535
Mm-hmm. Yep.

1339
00:56:04,297 --> 00:56:06,478
and like that worth it.

1340
00:56:07,203 --> 00:56:13,517
It shows that authentic craftsmanship

1341
00:56:14,218 --> 00:56:17,700
will trump overall spectacle.

1342
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:24,285
Because the spectacle is not they shot the
most beautiful sunset

1343
00:56:19,129 --> 00:56:20,129
Yes.

1344
00:56:24,285 --> 00:56:28,648
in the world or the most deluxe castle.

1345
00:56:28,648 --> 00:56:29,709
Like it wasn't

1346
00:56:30,637 --> 00:56:34,858
That it was, this looks like a real castle
on a hill.

1347
00:56:34,858 --> 00:56:41,620
that's a real sunset. ~ there are really
dolphins out the side of this ship.

1348
00:56:40,932 --> 00:56:42,453
Which was total chance. Yeah.

1349
00:56:41,620 --> 00:56:47,662
Like, the the beauty of this film is
almost in

1350
00:56:47,662 --> 00:56:53,684
the fact that it trusts that we will
connect with the characters and

1351
00:56:53,684 --> 00:56:55,565
we will connect to the places.

1352
00:56:56,475 --> 00:57:01,490
And we don't need the most magnificent
sunset or the most magnificent vista

1353
00:57:02,131 --> 00:57:07,156
to wow us. We can just be wowed by the
fact that if you set up a camera that
takes

1354
00:57:07,236 --> 00:57:13,973
in every pixel of a Mediterranean rock and
the w waves lapping

1355
00:57:13,973 --> 00:57:19,129
on it and you like just record all the
sounds of those waves.

1356
00:57:19,813 --> 00:57:22,988
and take in all of the light into your
giant,

1357
00:57:22,988 --> 00:57:28,488
giant camera, that we as humans are still
capable of appreciating that.

1358
00:57:28,488 --> 00:57:31,273
And that's enough.

1359
00:57:31,982 --> 00:57:34,254
Yeah. And that it's funny you say that,

1360
00:57:34,254 --> 00:57:37,366
like when I first saw the Ithaca castle,

1361
00:57:37,366 --> 00:57:40,299
which like like the you see it early on in
the movie,

1362
00:57:40,299 --> 00:57:42,510
my first thought was like that's not
remarkable.

1363
00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:47,054
It's not a big castle, it's not visually
impressive as far as like

1364
00:57:47,815 --> 00:57:51,239
you see many other medieval movies and
castles and you're like it's huge things.

1365
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:53,019
You know, Game of Thrones is huge things.

1366
00:57:53,019 --> 00:57:58,843
And like you're saying, i it was only
remarkable in a sense of like it was real.

1367
00:57:58,843 --> 00:58:00,915
Like that's what was remarkable.

1368
00:58:01,075 --> 00:58:06,101
It was real and there's real people
interacting in this real world and I

1369
00:58:06,101 --> 00:58:09,614
f like it was so real that you feel a part
of it for three hours.

1370
00:58:09,614 --> 00:58:16,482
And it's it's incredible and it's ~ it's
makes me optimistic that it's happening

1371
00:58:14,949 --> 00:58:15,949
Yes.

1372
00:58:16,522 --> 00:58:20,706
and that even if people don't articulate
or don't really know what they're feeling,

1373
00:58:20,706 --> 00:58:22,889
that I think we're all feeling that thing.

1374
00:58:23,837 --> 00:58:28,863
I have this movie has given me the most
hope in Hollywood that I've had

1375
00:58:28,863 --> 00:58:35,500
in a long time because I'm hoping that the
financial success of this movie will show

1376
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:40,325
studios that, hey, we're not we don't want
to just like pump

1377
00:58:40,325 --> 00:58:44,981
out things like nostalgia plays and Shrek
Five and like

1378
00:58:41,785 --> 00:58:42,785
Shrek five.

1379
00:58:45,403 --> 00:58:46,755
You remember He Man, don't you?

1380
00:58:46,755 --> 00:58:52,602
Like go, go, go. And it's a little bit
more of it it's also it's

1381
00:58:52,643 --> 00:58:54,064
not necessarily funny.

1382
00:58:54,737 --> 00:59:00,879
But it is seeing the Moana live action
Odyssey

1383
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:04,460
in the same theater comparison,

1384
00:59:04,460 --> 00:59:09,821
they feel like antithetical to one another
as well in the scheme of Hollywood.

1385
00:59:08,407 --> 00:59:10,400
Yeah. Yeah.

1386
00:59:09,821 --> 00:59:13,402
And so I'm hoping that this corrects in a
nice way of like,

1387
00:59:13,402 --> 00:59:18,533
hey, let directors cook, let them like
have some craftsmanship in it

1388
00:59:18,533 --> 00:59:22,284
and really like go for again, not an
original story,

1389
00:59:22,284 --> 00:59:23,545
but

1390
00:59:24,303 --> 00:59:27,891
like taking a a universal story and
bringing it to life.

1391
00:59:27,891 --> 00:59:30,988
I thought was very cool. Ready to rate it.

1392
00:59:29,421 --> 00:59:30,984
Very cool. Well, Nate, how

1393
00:59:30,984 --> 00:59:35,692
would you rate the Odyssey on a scale of
zero to five bows?

1394
00:59:35,692 --> 00:59:39,219
Let's let's be real here. Boom.

1395
00:59:39,219 --> 00:59:40,219
So good.

1396
00:59:40,561 --> 00:59:42,494
I'm gonna give the Odyssey five bows.

1397
00:59:43,811 --> 00:59:45,373
Thank you. Thank you.

1398
00:59:44,838 --> 00:59:45,838
I'm gonna give this

1399
00:59:45,459 --> 00:59:49,932
movie a five. Again, my knocks are like
would bring it down to like

1400
00:59:49,932 --> 00:59:53,285
a four point seven five. Body horror is
one.

1401
00:59:53,285 --> 00:59:59,369
But other and and I also don't know how it
will play on a smaller screen.

1402
00:59:59,369 --> 01:00:02,862
But I'm still gonna give this movie.

1403
01:00:02,862 --> 01:00:08,557
This is like I think Inception is probably
still my favorite Christopher Nolan

1404
01:00:08,557 --> 01:00:12,149
movie. I think this would be number two
for me.

1405
01:00:09,241 --> 01:00:10,241
Hm.

1406
01:00:12,149 --> 01:00:13,841
I think they're both fives.

1407
01:00:15,701 --> 01:00:17,462
I will also give it five bows.

1408
01:00:17,462 --> 01:00:23,464
I think the time that this movie happened

1409
01:00:24,205 --> 01:00:27,526
also speaks to how to the importance of
it,

1410
01:00:27,526 --> 01:00:32,374
which I think kind of whatever knocks
someone may have over it,

1411
01:00:32,374 --> 01:00:36,460
I think takes it past that. Like I think
dare I say it was important

1412
01:00:36,460 --> 01:00:42,272
for this movie to exist today in twenty
twenty six because of that.

1413
01:00:40,157 --> 01:00:41,157
Mm-hmm.

1414
01:00:42,272 --> 01:00:43,673
And

1415
01:00:44,365 --> 01:00:46,967
Like be just because of of everything else
that's going on.

1416
01:00:46,967 --> 01:00:50,169
And it also, you know, I see a bunch of
reels of people like

1417
01:00:50,929 --> 01:00:55,242
the post-movie huddles that happen where
people leave the theater

1418
01:00:54,044 --> 01:00:55,044
Mm-hmm.

1419
01:00:55,242 --> 01:00:57,653
and then there's like huddles of people
talking about the movie,

1420
01:00:57,653 --> 01:01:00,255
and then there's memes of people being
like when you don't have a huddle

1421
01:01:00,675 --> 01:01:03,557
to go to after the movie, and it's like
just a guy like wandering around.

1422
01:01:03,557 --> 01:01:07,579
But it is also telling of like,

1423
01:01:07,579 --> 01:01:10,441
no, people still want to do that.

1424
01:01:11,393 --> 01:01:14,534
And like people still look at that
happening and are nostalgic for

1425
01:01:14,534 --> 01:01:20,217
it and hopeful for it at the same time
because it is that shared human
experience.

1426
01:01:20,217 --> 01:01:23,518
And even if you're just experiencing
something on the screen,

1427
01:01:23,518 --> 01:01:26,039
if whatever was on that screen is powerful
enough,

1428
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:31,282
it is a shared experience that is deep
enough to then connect you outside

1429
01:01:31,282 --> 01:01:36,264
of that theater to each other and like
like we have done for the past hour.

1430
01:01:36,264 --> 01:01:38,335
And so I think I think it was important.

1431
01:01:37,043 --> 01:01:39,084
Right. Yes.

1432
01:01:38,335 --> 01:01:39,335
It's five.

1433
01:01:39,344 --> 01:01:44,257
I left that movie theater for my eight
forty AM movie.

1434
01:01:44,257 --> 01:01:49,710
I was out by noon or whatever in the
middle of the day,

1435
01:01:45,141 --> 01:01:46,197
Broad daylight.

1436
01:01:49,710 --> 01:01:52,771
walked back to the car with my wife,

1437
01:01:52,771 --> 01:01:56,113
and she said to me, I'm not ready to talk
about it yet.

1438
01:01:56,113 --> 01:02:00,595
Just I just she just wanted to think about
it a little bit more.

1439
01:02:00,595 --> 01:02:05,258
We went to a restaurant and had lunch
together.

1440
01:02:00,729 --> 01:02:01,729
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1441
01:02:05,827 --> 01:02:06,827
Brunch.

1442
01:02:06,850 --> 01:02:07,850
And

1443
01:02:08,451 --> 01:02:10,903
it was it was pa afternoon by then.

1444
01:02:10,803 --> 01:02:11,911
Sure, sure, sure, sure.

1445
01:02:10,903 --> 01:02:13,175
This movie's three hours long.

1446
01:02:13,175 --> 01:02:17,678
And we talked the whole time about this
movie,

1447
01:02:17,678 --> 01:02:20,880
the whole lunch, and she said,

1448
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,923
I think this is the greatest movie ever
made.

1449
01:02:24,923 --> 01:02:28,266
That was her opinion on the thing and

1450
01:02:28,976 --> 01:02:30,757
She has even said to me this week,

1451
01:02:30,757 --> 01:02:32,268
and again, she was on the fence.

1452
01:02:32,268 --> 01:02:34,890
She wasn't sure how scared she was going
to be.

1453
01:02:34,890 --> 01:02:37,732
And from her perspective, from a scariness
rating,

1454
01:02:37,732 --> 01:02:40,934
she was worried that it was gonna be kinda
gory and scary,

1455
01:02:40,934 --> 01:02:46,338
got halfway through and realized she spent
sort of the first half clenched.

1456
01:02:46,338 --> 01:02:50,200
And then when she realized it wasn't going
to be that scary,

1457
01:02:46,635 --> 01:02:48,810
Yeah yeah. Yeah. Ready.

1458
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,922
she like enjoyed the rest of it.

1459
01:02:51,922 --> 01:02:53,903
She mentioned to me this week,

1460
01:02:53,903 --> 01:02:57,846
half joking but half serious.

1461
01:02:59,088 --> 01:03:02,061
Maybe I'll go out one of these evenings
and just go watch it again.

1462
01:03:02,061 --> 01:03:08,207
Just go see it. So that is her review of
this movie.

1463
01:03:03,321 --> 01:03:06,136
Wow. Okay.

1464
01:03:08,207 --> 01:03:10,860
But the ability to discuss it with her,

1465
01:03:08,609 --> 01:03:09,609
It's high praise.

1466
01:03:10,860 --> 01:03:15,073
to talk with you about it. My brother's
gonna go see it soon.

1467
01:03:15,073 --> 01:03:16,796
I'm excited to talk to him about it.

1468
01:03:16,796 --> 01:03:20,189
I texted my dad, like, hey, you should go
see the Odyssey.

1469
01:03:17,123 --> 01:03:18,123
Yes.

1470
01:03:20,189 --> 01:03:21,639
I don't know how you feel about these
things,

1471
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:22,639
but you should go see it.

1472
01:03:22,967 --> 01:03:26,219
Yeah. And that that has been I've seen a
couple people on social media that

1473
01:03:26,219 --> 01:03:29,692
I know asking like, ~ I don't have any
seventy millimeter I don't even have

1474
01:03:29,692 --> 01:03:31,033
any IMAX heaters, doesn't matter,

1475
01:03:31,033 --> 01:03:32,033
should I go see it? It's like,

1476
01:03:31,824 --> 01:03:33,405
go see it. Just go see it.

1477
01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:33,700
Yeah. I

1478
01:03:33,442 --> 01:03:36,098
just saw it in a standard a standard one.

1479
01:03:35,949 --> 01:03:36,949
Yeah.

1480
01:03:36,098 --> 01:03:37,181
I didn't see it in IMEX.

1481
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:42,233
Just just go see it because it is
Zeitgeisty,

1482
01:03:42,233 --> 01:03:47,997
yes, but like the most justified Zeitgeist
I think I've seen in a long time.

1483
01:03:49,020 --> 01:03:53,841
Yeah. Are we gonna be part of the problem
by overhyping this movie before people

1484
01:03:53,841 --> 01:03:54,841
go see it?

1485
01:03:55,777 --> 01:03:57,501
I don't know, you talk about a couple
things you didn't like.

1486
01:03:57,501 --> 01:03:59,947
I feel like, you know, we're at least we
at least tempered it.

1487
01:03:59,947 --> 01:04:03,907
But I feel like it is also sure.

1488
01:04:01,136 --> 01:04:04,000
It starts rather slow. It gets it gets

1489
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,953
going like it ramps you up to it,

1490
01:04:05,953 --> 01:04:11,721
which I think is is great, but if you're
used to you kids in your TikToks

1491
01:04:06,157 --> 01:04:07,157
Yeah, it wraps up, yeah.

1492
01:04:11,721 --> 01:04:14,405
and your Snapchats and your vines,

1493
01:04:14,405 --> 01:04:17,209
you're gonna have to wait a while for it
to get going.

1494
01:04:15,307 --> 01:04:16,307
Yeah, the vines.

1495
01:04:17,659 --> 01:04:20,502
That's true. The only ~ plot hole I saw,

1496
01:04:20,502 --> 01:04:25,416
they talked about inside the horse and how
they lost several men

1497
01:04:24,063 --> 01:04:25,063
Mm-hmm.

1498
01:04:25,416 --> 01:04:29,550
to drowning because the tide came in
because they were inside the Trojan horse.

1499
01:04:29,550 --> 01:04:32,553
And I'm like, they were on that beach for
ten years.

1500
01:04:29,768 --> 01:04:30,768
Right.

1501
01:04:32,553 --> 01:04:35,115
They didn't know how far to put that horse
inland?

1502
01:04:35,115 --> 01:04:37,107
Anyway, that's all I'm saying.

1503
01:04:35,686 --> 01:04:37,248
Right. And also,

1504
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:42,994
they didn't tell Elliot Page that they
were in there to lie to him,

1505
01:04:42,994 --> 01:04:48,501
but like, hold on a second. What was he
doing while they were all getting

1506
01:04:44,505 --> 01:04:45,505
How do you

1507
01:04:48,501 --> 01:04:49,501
in the horse?

1508
01:04:49,303 --> 01:04:50,538
That's that's what I'm saying.

1509
01:04:50,538 --> 01:04:52,364
Like everybody was a ra

1510
01:04:51,772 --> 01:04:52,772
Hey, come over hey,

1511
01:04:52,565 --> 01:04:54,010
come over here. Come over here.

1512
01:04:54,010 --> 01:04:56,038
We're all gonna le we're all leaving for
sure.

1513
01:04:56,025 --> 01:04:57,025
We're all even.

1514
01:04:56,038 --> 01:04:57,523
Clam, clam, clam, clam, clam.

1515
01:04:58,227 --> 01:04:59,418
Just punched right in the face.

1516
01:04:59,418 --> 01:05:01,430
She goes, I need you to be knocked out.

1517
01:05:00,582 --> 01:05:02,933
We wake up. All right, d now tell it's a
gift.

1518
01:05:01,430 --> 01:05:04,684
Right yeah, exact yeah,

1519
01:05:04,684 --> 01:05:06,335
like yeah, I don't get that. But anyway,

1520
01:05:06,335 --> 01:05:07,596
five out of five. Doesn't matter.

1521
01:05:07,596 --> 01:05:10,509
go get us five star rating in ~ Apple
Podcast,

1522
01:05:10,509 --> 01:05:11,509
please, in a review. Thank you.

1523
01:05:11,450 --> 01:05:12,450
Okay, bye.

1524
01:05:16,083 --> 01:05:17,083
We out.