Hello and welcome to Movies on the Side.
This is Stephen Robles.
And this is Nate Baranowski.
And today we're talking about a small little movie that came out just this past
weekend, The Odyssey, directed by Christopher Nolan and a cast
of characters like the world has never seen.
Nate, you saw this movie at eight in the morning,
is that right?
Eight forty five in the morning.
I didn't even know theaters were open at that time,
which is wild.
I just checked what there is a 70 mm IMAX screen in Grand Rapids,
Michigan. And I just thought, I'm gonna peek at it.
~
I've seen it once. I could just look,
Just see. Just just look. Just look.
just to look. It is completely sold out except for two shows.
And I want to get your thoughts on this.
Yes.
The one that's not there are two that are not sold out.
One of them is at starts at one thirty five AM.
~
A ~
Starting time
and that's like the front two rows have a smattering in them and the other
one is six six thirty five A.
~
~ my goodness. Ha ha ha What?
Which of those shows would you rather go to?
~
Would you rather see a movie at one
thirty in in the middle of the night or six thirty?
Ladies and gentlemen, this movie is three hours long,
let us remind you, or if you weren't aware.
That means you said 135?
So you're talking about 435,
One thirty five AM.
and by the time you get home, you're getting home at five in the morning.
Like you were either done the day before and you slept when you were supposed
Yeah.
to be working, or you're done the next day because you saw a movie all night.
Right.
I would probably do six in the morning personally.
I mean I'm doing neither, but I would rather do six in the morning I think.
But eight is really odd.
Right. I think I
had that feeling too, 'cause I feel like you become nocturnal after a
one thirty AM showing. But this movie
I mean I'm over forty now, Nate.
is selling like hotcakes,
I believe is the term.
Nate, I it
yeah, that's exactly what the kids say.
A hot kick six seven, I think,
is people's username now. That's it.
Mm-hmm. Flapjacks.
I also thought about I saw this in just a normal theater and I also looked
Mm-hmm.
up the only theater that is seventy millimeter that I saw Project Hail Mary
at in Fort Lauderdale. And they have they're mostly sold out through September,
Mm-hmm.
Nate. That's like two months away as we record.
But there is an eight thirty in the morning showing.
Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.
one day on like a Wednesday and then there's like
a one thirty in the afternoon,
although maybe I should check.
Maybe it did say one thirty in the AM,
I know, ~ on a random day. I'm thinking about it,
but probably I'm probably not.
I th
the location in the theater is I don't want to go see seven seventy millimeter IMAX
in the first row.
If so the I follow Patrick Tommaso who's he's a super fun follow
on Threads and Instagram. He got to interview Tom Cruise recently.
He's doing junkets now. He interviewed Ann Hathaway and Matt Damon.
Ooh, cool.
Like he's doing the thing. He's made it,
right? And he says front row IMAX seventy millimeter,
it's actually amazing and everybody should do it.
Which I'm sure it would be immersive.
Ooh, okay.
Like you would be enveloped
It is coming
~ it is coming down upon you.
You would feel like you're turning into a pig in real time.
T
It would
feel like you watched a fireworks show from the barge where they launched
the fireworks.
You're lighting the firework. Like you you are pressing the play button.
That is you.
But also like I would just be concerned about the distortion factor.
Like I feel like maybe the Cyclops,
like his face is gonna be like a triangle.
Like his eye is gonna be thirty feet across and his chin you know what I mean?
Right. I don't yeah,
Like
I I couldn't risk it. I couldn't risk it that the fact that I would
Yeah. No, no, no.
get 'cause there's nothing I've been to a few movies where I paid for a seat
and I had the thought I'm too close.
And even if I'm not too close,
that inception esque thought has been started in my brain
Thought Yes.
I'm also worried about like ~ am I watching a tennis match?
Like am I have to be like turning my head like for the dialogue?
For a dialogue, for a back and forth between actors,
Like when those giants hit you know,
yes.
one of the guys and he flies across the screen,
am I be getting like whiplash?
Like, huh? ~ yeah.
looking around at it. All right,
before we talk about this movie,
Yes.
because I
I want to luxuriate in the fact that we haven't talked about this movie.
We haven't.
And so like it's kinda like watching a movie for the first time.
I'm so excited to talk to you about it.
Yes.
But before we do, a little bit of an appetizer.
Yes.
Steven, I have let the algorithm
of this movie I have let it wash over me like the tide over
Mm.
Listen.
the Trojan horse. And I am not I'm not sorry.
I don't I'm not mad about it at all.
No. Not mad. Not mad about it.
Not mad about it.
I probably the day or two after I saw it,
I'm talking.
Yes.
Eighty percent of every Instagram reel was Odyssey based
Yes.
and I like a man at the Golden Corral,
I just kept fill up filling up my plate.
I still can't get enough, actually.
I would not be mad if every reel has to be with the Odyssey.
The meme of Matt Damon screaming f during the siren scene and people saying funny
things about that. I'm gonna post that picture and say what it feels like when
someone says they've never used shortcuts.
I'm gonna put that on threads and sh you I thought that was pretty good.
Ooh, okay. Yeah. You find your own way.
I w I was s yeah.
I've s I saw Tom
Holland and Matt Damon make a pizza,
a New York Times cooking. That wasn't even a reel.
That was just me choosing a YouTube video of them making pizzas.
it just happened it's amazing.
I know that Matt Damon is now gluten-free.
Things I did not know before this.
pff that's it. Really?
Everyone calls Anne Hathaway Annie.
Lots of things that I'm learning along the way.
I will take it. I'm gonna take it all in.
I feel like I have a good week or two left of just all Odyssey all the time.
I actually contributed a little bit to the deluge of Odyssey content.
I don't know if you saw some of my tweets.
~ I would like to quickly read to you ~ three posts that I made about the Odyssey,
trying to trying ~ trying to be in the zeitgeist,
of yourself. this is good. All right,
okay.
great.
I'm gonna give it a one through five of how much I like it.
That was exactly what I was going to ask you to do.
So thank you for doing that. I don't know if you know,
but a lot of the discourse is about how Nolan didn't doesn't like CGI.
A lot of it is done in camera,
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
practical effects, all of that.
So here was my first tweet that went semi viral.
It said, Christopher Nolan used no CGI in the Odyssey.
Those dudes actually turned into literal pigs.
One guy turns out couldn't get changed back.
Still a pig to this day. You were fighting laughing.
That is very good.
You were fighting laughing. You can't hide that.
No, ~ here's the thing. I already saw this and I've I saw it both
on Threads and X. I believe Threads is where it went went b yes,
Yes, yes. I cross post. I cross post.
Yeah.
yes. All out there. It was great.
It doesn't hit me particularly new because I chuckled when I saw it the first time.
Maybe I'm more maybe I'm more up on your social media.
Okay, well pretend you saw it for first pretend it was the first time.
Thank you. Well what would you rate it the first time you saw it?
that's a four. That's a solid four.
~ yes. That makes me feel so
It's great. It's it's great.
good, honestly. All right, here's my second one.
~ this is a picture of Cersei the witch.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Okay, so it's a picture of Cersei.
Her actress her name is Samantha Morton,
the actress. I know the Odyssey pig scene can't happen in real life,
Mm-hmm.
but if Samantha Morton brings food to the cast Potluck,
I wouldn't touch it.
Mm two and a half. Fine.
All right, that okay, all right.
I'll t I'll take that. All right,
all right, well that two and a half,
that's fine. Last one, I will say people say,
I think, you know, if
yeah.
we're gonna do a punch up of that last one,
I would say if you just cut off the first half of it and just said
Okay, okay.
if Samantha Morton brings something to the t pot,
Hmm. That would have been better.
look, I'm not touching it. The end.
Wait a minute.
Like no w no context.
Nay, we need to we need to do weekly workshops now where I just kinda give
you some tweets and you just tell me what kind of changes we need to make.
Yeah, yeah. Little SNL writers room over here.
Exactly. ~
from someone who'd
who like me never posts anything funny.
No, but y you save it all for the show,
which I'm grateful for. All right,
I do. I do.
this last one, it is a screenshot of the history webpage,
like from the official history website about the Odyssey.
And in the screenshot I have highlighted composed nearly twenty seven hundred years
ago, Homer's epic poney Odyssey.
And then my post is people say no odyssey spoilers,
Mm-hmm.
bro, to a twenty seven hundred year old story.
That's it.
It
it is very good. It is a four,
a solid four. I saw it several times,
thank you.
so maybe they were ripping off your I mean it's it's a common enough one that like,
Lessons Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Now well thank
hey, how can we do it?
you, Nate. I'm listen, giving me a couple fours there.
I feel honored. Thank you for that.
Yep. Yep.
~ do we I mean, again, this story is almost three thousand years old.
Do we say spoilers? I mean, we're gonna talk about the movie.
I think we should
I don't want to think about spoilers at all.
No, no, no, just talk about yeah.
So I think we should say like spoilers for the movie,
I guess.
How many people
around the world do you think finally realized that the
TSG entertainment logo animation where the guy shooting through the axes,
how many people around the world realized that that was Odys ~ Odysseus?
You know you know you the movie thing I'm talking about?
Yeah, I
The t the
I'm pretty sure the animation even starts with him shooting the the bow.
Yes. He pulls the bow and chooses half the world,
So yes. I'm sure a lot of people are yes,
I think. Half the world.
learning about it. Also I'm not worried about doing spoilers here because
I also think half the world has already seen this movie.
I feel like they have it has blown away all of the box office everything.
It is Christopher Nolan's biggest movie ever.
It is like two hundred something million two hundred and sixty-four million dollar
Mm-hmm.
worldwide worldwide debut. And ~ Nate,
Yep. I get it. And I get it.
I get it. Okay, l now let me ask you this.
This movie, if there was a a meter,
Mm-hmm.
like the old school thermometer,
like you're doing a school fundraiser,
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
and we call it the hype meter.
Mm-hmm.
Before you saw this movie, how did you how high do you feel like that hype meter
it's great.
was before the movie came out?
If I could graph you know how when we both watched the World Cup recently
Yes. We we were texting about sports.
as sports fans, both of us equally?
I think the f second time ever,
Yep. You know how like there's a graphic that goes up that says like momentum meter?
yeah.
Momento. I love that graph. It's a great graph.
That's just and it happens th they do it for like win probability in football games,
and I always think like, okay,
you could just graph it by how far you are up.
Sure.
About a year ago, I think,
when this was announced.
Yes.
And there was maybe an option to like buy your IMAX tickets.
My personal hype was sky high.
When I heard it, Christopher Nolan,
The Odyssey, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in.
Yeah. And
That stayed super high. But then
I got the Matt Damon casting, I think,
at some point in time, and I thought,
I don't know. I don't know. I dropped a little bit.
We're down at 75%. Like
Sure, sure.
Still Christopher Nolan, but I'm not sure about
Sure. Right.
Matt Damon as Odysseus. We kinda go through Tom Holland,
I was like ~
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's unknown.
And Hathaway
Unknown.
love her. I she's gonna make a great Penelope.
Okay. Then we get to trailer time.
And that first trailer drops and I took
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
a dive because my initial thought to the trailer was
Really?
I don't I don't know. I don't know.
I th there was a bit of a backlash to not Archimedes.
What's the guy's name with the the bone skull?
~ the main guy. Agam Magn. Yes.
~ Agamemnon. Agamemnon.
His helmet. There was a little bit of like this.
He looks a little goofy in that.
How's this gonna look?
Which
he's owned the internet the last week,
let me just say. Agamemnon I've never read the word Ora so much in my life.
I heard aura farming so many times in my reels.
Yes, exactly. and so I dropped down and I I my own expectations dropped.
But then about now we're at like a month out from release,
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Mm-hmm.
and people start seeing screeners and
Everyone online is preemptively negative about the movie until they
see the movie and then they're like,
This is amazing. He's outdone himself.
Nate. I Yeah.
And then people who I respect their movie opinions were like,
You have to like it is you have to go see this and all of a sudden I'm back up,
Yes. Yes. Hundred.
I'm through the roof, and I and I said,
That's it.
I'm either watching I I
I told Jill, I said, Are we watching this together or am I going
out after everyone is asleep? Because this will it will be watched.
It's happening either way. It it shall be watched.
It shall be watched.
I was I was unsure w if I would go see this and like whatever.
And then like you said, the screeners came out and I saw this one reel.
I don't even know who it was. Supposedly he was some famous movie critic.
He was like an older guy. And in the reel he's saying,
like, There's three movies in my life that ever changed my life.
this was Richard Roper. I believe I sent you this video.
Is that what it was? Was it him?
From where Sisko and Ebert and it became Sis you know,
Ebert and Roper? I was trying to think which one.
R Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Then maybe maybe that was it. But he was like there's only been two
Yeah. I think it was him, like outside like in it with glasses on at
a little like table.
Yeah, okay,
yes. Yeah, you're right. Then you sent it to me.
But yeah, that was what honestly convinced me because he was like,
Yes, I did send it to you.
only two movies I've I've seen like millions of movies.
Two movies have ever changed my life.
And now this is the third. And I'm like,
all right, we gotta go. I say,
Wendy, we gotta go. I haven't bought tickets.
We'll see what's available. We saw it Thursday night.
Pack your things.
We saw Thursday night before it even premiered.
I asked for the special popcorn bucket.
They said it's not even out yet,
so we can't give you the popcorn bucket.
I said, That's fine. I would have taken
you wanted that Trojan horse. Man,
that would have looked
good at that shelf behind you.
I honestly I was really excited for the popcorn bucket.
And then when I saw that it was a horse,
I'm like, that's kind of oddly shaped,
wouldn't fit great on a shelf.
I guess I'm good. Like I was okay.
Popcorn's coming out of a weird place.
Yeah, I was like, you deopen that.
Yeah. I out of its kangaroo pouch.
I don't like I don't like that.
But anyway, we saw this the Thursday night it came out.
And so here's the thing. That amount of hype before the movie,
Mm-hmm.
like in the weeks preceding, was out of control.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
And like my energy was just like.
Just like static. Like I was just like,
Mm-hmm.
this is going to be incredible.
Immediately after seeing the movie,
I was like, that was amazing. I feel maybe I wish it wasn't as hype.
A bit of a siren song. The hype was a bit of a you'll be forever different
a bit of a sour song. But
and you I think your text to me after seeing it was,
It is amazing, my life didn't change forever.
That's exactly
what I said. And but so that was like immediately after.
But now that I'm several days after,
one, I want to see it again. I saw a bunch of people say,
actually, the second time is even better.
I'm like, shoot, now I gotta try to see the second time,
It's marinated in your mind.
I guess. It's marinated. But also like the zeitgeist like bolsters
the experience. But then I also like I was j just as you popped in here to record,
Mm-hmm.
I was watching a reel from Ryan Holiday,
the author of Stillness is the key.
And he was talking about what the Odyssey is really about.
And I'm sure you've seen like I've seen reels of like scholarly like classical
scholars talking about the Odyssey and Homer,
Mm-hmm.
the Iliad, and all of that, and comparing the movie to the literary versions
Mm-hmm.
and how that failed. And then I'm seeing,
you know, the movie influencers,
and they're talking about it from a different perspective.
And then I see this thing from Ryan Holliday,
and he's like, the Odyssey is not about
Penelope or Odysseus or Telemachus,
like it's about you and how you respond in your life
to challenges and giants. And what do you do when you're trying to get home?
Or are you avoiding trying to go home?
And I was like, I'm back in. Hype,
the hype is just the thermometer's destroyed.
I'm all in. Five out of five.
I'll say right now. Five out of five pigs.
Yeah. I mean, somewhere out there,
Homer's really bringing in the royalties on this movie.
If only he knew. But can I also say like we we've
How many
who's getting money from the Odyssey book sales?
Nobody. No. It's gotta be open
No, someone's getting paid.
it's gotta be public domain. It's gotta be like no one.
It's just like no one would get like royalties if you use like
So like
the classical piece from whatever 1700s.
The original text of the Odyssey it is entirely in the public domain.
Just a book printer.
You are free to adapt the story,
use the character names, and publish your own versions.
Modern translations are protected by copyright.
So modern translations I guess could be that.
But
Maybe somebody's getting I assume
there's been a bump in the 'cause when's the last time you read the Odyssey?
Or have you ever? 'Cause I think I was like sophomore year of college.
I think I read s
I think I had a Western Lit class or something.
I think it was actually in high school that I was supposed to read it
and I read some of it. I read some of it and then I did Spark Notes,
Are you spark notes?
which of course now I regret. Like,
man, I should have read that whole thing.
But
No, I I knew the the
main plot points, but I don't think I remembered any of the themes
of the book because it was just get through it.
No.
Yeah, exactly. So I don't know.
But okay. So here's the here's the thing.
Let's go. Let's go. Mm-hmm.
I d I don't even know where to start.
I'll start here.
I I actually have notes for this one.
do you well why don't you go? You have notes.
I have some ideas.
no no.
No, I've I really want you to start here.
This was you that was a great start and now I'm I'm ready.
I'm
I'm I'm like pumped. I will start with the music because that was one
Mm.
of the the things that I watched before seeing the movie was
how composer Ludwig Gurensen, I believe,
he and Christopher Nolan they didn't want to use swelling orchestral scores because
orchestras didn't exist, which makes total sense.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Like you're gonna have this Mahler style romantic orchestra during this Greek
poem that was, you know, BC. So they made instruments like this specific
lyre and this like flute type instrument,
this reed instrument. And I watched this,
I watched like five YouTube videos about this.
And they they like looked at drawings and paintings of these instruments
and what instruments were paired together in the paintings and then composed
the scores related to those. And like amazing.
And I also felt like
How are they going to build these epic moments with this limited instrumentation?
Because they're not using this full swelling orchestra.
He did it. Ludwig did it. He used vocals to great effect,
Right.
swelling vocals, percussive type moments,
Mm-hmm. Bangin' on bronze.
like just drum beats or like banging on the things,
like from the very opening of the movie.
But then also like the theme of Ithaca.
Like I went I've listened to the soundtrack and like.
Just he th just the sounds, which are very different and very not of our time,
are so affecting and mysterious and amazing.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Just loved it. That's it. That's I was that's what I wanted to say about the music.
Yes. No, I I I
have almost nothing to add to it except it is mostly like an incredible soundscape.
I have a question for you. You're definitely the more musically inclined person
Maybe. Sure, sure. Although you play the Dulcimer,
of the two of us. ~ expert, maybe?
I pluck on the dulcimer every once in a while.
which is pretty cool.
So Steven
Pretty good.
I definitely I mean the closest I could possibly compare it to is Hans Zimmer with
Dune. Like the closest I could get to like odd,
strange, but even that the Dune soundtrack had a much more melodic
Yes. And it's Cynthia. Like it's Synth.
like memorable I c I I couldn't yeah and I couldn't hum a thing
and it was definitely Is there any like are you completely happy?
with this or it was is there part of you deep down that's like,
I mean, I kinda would love if Hans just took a run at this.
I don't Hans is a wonderful like let him do Dune part three in December.
Leave Ludwig here. I felt like I wonder your experience in the theater,
Okay.
like and I've seen this on social media a lot.
There's certain moments that are just insanely loud and like when
Yes.
the Cyclops yells in the cave,
Yes.
like in my theater, like I could hear the rattling of the room and I'm like,
It just goes around you, right.
whoa. I was like, is this
At the decibel we're supposed to be at,
like what is happening here? And then some of the music,
Yep.
I could never tell, like this low end would come in and like it's not a note,
it's just a rumble. And I would always have to like,
Mm-hmm.
is this a note? Is this a bass drum?
Is this the sea?
Yeah, is this like what what is this?
And so I I'm actually looking forward to watching this at home in like on
one of my sound systems, so I can kind of see like what what was I hearing?
Right.
'Cause in the theater, which it seems this was everybody's experience,
like a lot sometimes it's just so loud you don't even know what's happening.
Yeah, I think this was I'd say one of
one of Christopher Nolan's five faults amidst a thousand strengths
is that sometimes you're left in a in a dialogue scene like
what? What did you say?
I yeah, several times, yeah.
All I heard was BOOM BOOM
And sometimes it was when Penelope was talking,
like Anne Hathaway would like talking to Telemachus.
Like there's that roof scene on the early on and I was like,
Wait, what did they say? Whitney,
did you hear what they said? I I kinda wanted that.
We get IMAX subtitles? Is that
Kinda wanted that.
But in some ways I think the sound and
the soundtrack all aided to the story.
And I think that is one of the coolest parts of this movie is that
I feel like everything, including the parts I did not like,
aided the storytelling to a point where I just like,
okay, I get it. Like there are
Yeah. Yeah.
the way that let's move into the way that it was shot and how this movie doesn't
Yes.
feel like a movie that I have seen in a long time because and I'm not
a big in this anti CG thing. I think you sent me a video on he like
he uses plenty of CGI. Like it's like there's plenty of of it in this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I am not going to fall for the it was just a twenty foot puppet of
a Cyclops the whole time. Like
I saw the puppet and I saw what was on screen.
Yeah, exactly.
Like that might have been a performance,
but it definitely got some CG on top of it.
So But
Exactly. But Yeah,
but I heard someone say,
yeah.
probably Matt Damon.
That having the mindset of we'll get it in post is one of the worst things that
you can do on a movie. You want to try your best to capture everything
in frame because the more you do that,
the more thought you've given into to the lighting,
the more like like you actually have it framed out as you want it.
And then the CG becomes the icing.
As it should always be, is that like,
hey, we took the jet skis around and made the whirlpool.
Obviously, we use CG to make it look like it's going down.
And but like we had the plate on top of it.
We had the guys getting pulled out of the ship.
This movie was shot in a way that made me feel
Yes.
This is the opposite of a slick Marvel movie.
This has grit,
but not like makeup on grit.
Yes.
Like real places,
No, no, no.
real rocks, real water. I saw a boat in the middle of the sea,
and as it zoomed out, I was just like,
Yeah.
~ the sea is very scary.
And like no one told me that. There was no indications except for the fact that
Right.
I saw a real huge body of water with a boat in the middle of it and I thought,
Right. Yes. And they were really
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be on that.
they were really on the Mediterranean.
And I think that was one thing I walked away is while I was watching the movie,
I felt like I was in the time period.
Not that I was watching people play themselves in the time period,
but that I was like watching the time period happen.
And like one of my favorite movies like in high school or growing up was Troy,
the Brad Pitt Troy. And like that was fun,
Mm-hmm.
you know.
Yeah.
Him
and Eric Banner d dueling, like it's super fun.
But if you like watch that movie now,
nowhere near as good as this, but it's it feels like you're watching people
in costume play the part. And that was the one thing that Christopher Nolan
Right.
can bring to this telling of the story is like I am here in this time period.
And like I am I'm in it, and there's never a point where I get taken out of it.
Yes.
Where something happens or someone does something,
Right.
and it's like, wait a minute, that's you know,
and
Some of the language at first was curious,
and people have commented on this where like,
you know, the dialogue is not of the time.
Of course it wouldn't be in English anyway,
Right. Right.
but that you know, there's modern,
like, you know, they say the F word,
which is on like, did that word even exist back then?
Right.
Who knows? But you like you get over that pretty quickly,
I felt like, and by twenty minutes in,
I was like, I'm here. I'm here on the Mediterranean.
Right. Even with all these famous actors in it,
Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Like
I went from being like, I no longer saw Matt Damon as Matt Damon,
even Tom Holland, who's like wildly popular.
Like I never thought to myself,
like, and that's Spider-Man now.
Like, I think about an hour in for me,
I was just like, I am completely in this,
which makes the stakes and the peril of this movie feel so strong.
Where towards the end of it, I think probably the last hour
Yeah, yeah.
If I don't have anything that tracks my heart rate,
but I definitely could feel as we started creeping towards him coming home,
this like it builds to the point going back
Yes.
It builds. It builds.
to the soundtrack, when he strums that bow at the end that syncs with
Main, I can't even.
the music, like ding, ding,
The music. Yes. Nate.
boom.
That
Did your crowd do any reaction at that point?
You were in opening night. Was there any cheers or anything,
or was it like silence?
It was silent, but I think it was because it was so was there your nearest cheers
or anything? I think
No, there wasn't cheer. I mean,
I heard of
people watching it and then like when he first strums it,
there's just like a
I I saw like reels of that,
but honestly, like it's such an intense moment because you have been waiting
the entire movie for this moment.
Like the movie opens with the suitors at the palace being jerks,
and you just want Odysseus to be there to set them straight.
Mm-hmm.
That's what you're wanting the entire movie.
Right.
And when he plucks that bow and everyone realizes this is him,
it's like a so many movies we have talked about on this podcast.
Don't stick the landing. And that was like you hold up just the 10.0 sign.
Yep.
Like they stuck it right then.
And then I can I don't know if you had this realization.
Right.
Earlier in the movie, Odysseus Matt Damon,
he says, like, they ask him, why do you pluck your bow when you go hunting?
And he says, Well, because it needs to be a fair fight.
Mm-hmm.
And I just and then I finally realized when he plucked the bow at the end,
Right.
he was about to take out all those dudes,
and he plucked it so he could feel like it was a fair fight.
Not only that, when he plucked it,
Robert Pattinson, who was a kid when he when he like first did it,
Yes.
knew what that pluck meant and ran for the door.
Yes.
Everyone else was just staring and he knew what that was like beginning
And hit for everybody.
and he was like, I'm out
Just and Robert Pan incredible he's a great Batman.
Cheek
twitch, a real cheek twitcher in this movie and mm.
But
he plays an an amazing snivelling,
just you wanna just you're you're glad what you you're glad he gets what
Terrible. Just a yep. You want You want him to get it.
Yep.
he gets at the end, you know what mean?
I th th what I do wanna say too is it just about being in the time period.
Yes, I got past, that's Spider-Man,
~ that's Ann Hathaway. Matt Damon,
I was unsure, but like you said,
about an hour in, I was like, okay,
this is Odysseus, like we're good.
Mm-hmm.
Who I think embodied that feeling from the beginning was Himesh Patel
as Odysseus's like lead man.
That dude I thought killed it in this movie and I believed he was in
the time period the whole time.
The whole yes. The whole f the whole thing.
Whole time. Great. Yeah.
Like yes. He's been in such like
different types of movies. But here I was like,
Yes. He's the guy. Yeah, he's the guy.
Yep, he's in. Same with John Leguizamo.
I was this like I first saw him like,
Yes. Even with his accent. Like he didn't even hide his
he's in it.
accent. It's just like New York accent.
~ all right, but go to your notes.
He's just doing it. Okay.
Go to your notes. What do you
All right. So here's something.
let's talk about quick quickly themes of this movie.
And I specifically mean 'cause there are many themes of it and many things
you can take from it. I want to know which ones stand out to you.
Because I've heard many takes on it,
but here's some that I wrote down.
It's talking about legacy and what you leave behind and grappling with your
own legacy. one another theme is regret and that weight upon your life.
sure. Yes.
Another one is carrying guilt versus letting go,
like the way that the guilt can play upon you.
The other one is hero status and the ugly side of being known for one thing.
But that being inconsistent with who you are.
Another one, free will versus predestination.
Like do you even have the the choice to do things?
Death.
That is true.
His men are gonna die no matter what.
Yeah.
And the other one
was just a type of love that
is consistent and endures,
Indoors. Yeah.
an enduring kind of love. Any of those themes personally resonate with you?
You know, the regret thing is big.
The one of the most affecting scenes is the siren scene where Matt Damon says,
Tie me to the post. Interesting fact,
the sirens were stunt women and they were on a literal rock in
the Mediterranean Sea as the boat passed by,
and the one actor actually jumps out of the boat and like jumped into
the Mediterranean Sea to do all of that,
which is amazing. But he's you know,
there's this quote he's quoting
during that siren song about how that itch is the thing that you've always wanted
and you can't get to, and then you realize it was the thing you already
had and lost, which is that regret part.
It's like so deep and powerful those ideas and thoughts.
But also his pride, how often you see his pride get the better of
him and basically cause so much of the issues.
Like he didn't want to follow the way of Agamemnon.
Right.
He wanted to
go away he thought would be quicker.
And that you could say caused most of the issues.
Turning around to shoot the Cyclops in the eye when they're already escaping.
Like, what an idiot. Like why would you do that?
But it was that bit of pride and just like frustration and letting that
get the better of you. And it was but then also when he comes back at the end,
you know, Agamemnon, when he's in Hades,
dead Adam Agamegnum, tells him like,
I thought I was getting this welcome when I went home.
And I did not. So be wary of what you get.
And the way Odysseus, after being gone for 20 years,
has the patience to go in and like,
let me see what's up first. And like not like takes the time to develop a plan
and a strategy. And you almost juxtapose the the brashness of his actions earlier
in the movie, like shooting the Cyclops and going his own way.
Mm-hmm.
Versus now at the end understanding,
okay, I need to be more methodical,
more careful, like I need to be mature in how I approach this situation.
All of it. Just all of it. All of it.
Right. And
the the ending bit we're doing spoilers everywhere,
~ but the ending bit of him and Penelope sailing away,
Yes.
doing the thing that she had recommended they do at the beginning and
the fact that like all of it stemmed from his regret of carrying
out Agamemnon's power
~ desire and breaking Zeus's law and like he talks about the fact that like
he has he felt like he has destroyed you know this civilization with
his trickery and everything all part of the like I don't even want to come back
and face a different world than when I left because of what I've done
and the fact that he's able to then go back at the end and basically be like
Right.
Alright, I'm letting go of all that.
He he has a scene where he is just floating on the raft,
basically being like, Just take me.
I can no longer I my choice is a my control I can't control everything,
therefore like I have to
That was
that moment too as he leaves the island of Calypso and she is telling
him you have to let go and just release control.
You know, we talk I just mentioned Ryan Holliday earlier.
Like it is those ideas of there are things like if you try to control
it and there's just you don't have the power to control them,
Yeah.
it will just breed frustration and probably determine.
He tries to
control his crew, he tries to like like control their own morality
and like that's all just Yeah.
I
will say when he walks over to that hole and they're eating
the cow and he has and then Damon has that look on his face,
I think I laughed out loud. Like that was kind of funny.
He was like, Really, guys? Like I told you.
Come on.
but
Yeah.
I think that was I think that whole him as a hero,
but as a flawed hero, a flawed protagonist that
Yeah. Yeah.
in some ways the like
It seems like Christopher Nolan takes his lens and points it at Matt Damon
and be like, Why do you think he's cool?
If you thought it was because of his great military mind,
it's actually something he regrets.
Like this shows Troy and all of that
as nasty nasty stuff.
Yeah. Bad.
Like
It's bad.
And and I think Cersei even says it in the scene of like you call their savagery
like discipline and you say like they just follow orders and they just have these
carnal desires, you think that that's a pro.
Like this is actually like they're like animals to me.
And the the fact that he has dealt with the regret I I
r read somewhere that that the
Zendaya's face, maybe she might have been the priestess for Athena,
and that so Athena, like the form of Athena in his mind,
Yeah.
is seeing the beheaded priestess as part of it,
Right, then they
and like that haunts him. It goes through as a hero,
and the things that we would think in our society is really cool,
is like you're an awesome fighter,
you're a great strategist, you're a cool captain,
are all the things that are his downfall.
And the things that like even his fighting off the suitors,
which we're like rooting for at the end,
that still comes with a bit of like,
~ this may cost him his life as well,
and all of this, like, is not necessarily like this wonderful thing.
Right.
So
I I mean I loved the character and how it makes us turn our more
of a Western mindset of what makes a cool John Wayne esque hero and turns
Yeah.
it on its head and goes like, Hey,
this thing you thought he was really cool for probably one of his worst qualities.
Yeah, and you they take Troy,
which is in movies or even in the stories,
just like they're just the antagonist.
They're just who we defeat. Like it's just who is defeated in the story.
Right. Right.
They take it and turn it and they actually make you have some compassion
on them because like that scene is harrowing as they are destroying the city.
Right.
And then you see ~ Agamemnon's army as these like vicious,
like no mercy dudes. Like well,
they're not good either. Like it's just so yeah.
Right.
Costum
Side note, costume design for Arg Agamemnon was amazing.
Like ~ wonderful.
Costume
design in general was excellent because it was
so grounded and real in a way that felt like,
this is not how I think of people dressing up as Greeks and like Trojans.
Right, right. And it was Ellen
Mirotnik, I believe it's it. She was costume designed.
She she killed it. And that that helmet for Agamemnon is gonna be in memes
Okay. Yeah.
for the next five years, I think.
That's
you know, I hoped to see some ~ Comic
Con people cosplay and and make their own helmets.
~ that'll be good.
That's like Mandalorian level quality helmets.
But let's get to the worst part of this movie.
That'll be good.
Wait before wait before you do,
before you do, I wanna just one more deep thing as you were saying.
~ yeah yeah.
Tom Holland, you know, I was concerned I would see Spider Man throughout
the whole thing. I don't think I did.
Mm-hmm.
And the scene where he comes face to face with Odysseus outside the gate
and he realizes it's his dad, whom you understand from the story,
~ huh.
he never s saw him. Like he wouldn't know what he looks like,
Right.
but he just comes to know.
The dog cried, like I just cried when that happened.
But but Tom Holland's face acting in that moment when he's looking at Odysseus,
and I kind of am affected by fatherly stuff anyway,
Yeah.
but like super deep. And as you were saying,
Yeah.
themes of the movie, that idea of waiting,
just waiting and trusting that this person who tele Telemachus
has no reason to trust, never.
Got to speak to him, didn't know him as a father,
had no reason to trust, but just from what his mom has told him and what he's heard
from other people and I guess what he knows in his heart to just trust that
his dad was coming back and like I don't know,
that that moment was was very effective.
And so thumbs up on that. Yes,
Hmm. Yes. Wonderful.
but the worst part.
Worst part is the body horror.
Nate, I was not ready for body heart.
It is the thing that when I think about seeing it one more time in theaters,
I was like, I gotta do that one more time.
I'm going to give this as a credit.
The Cersei the Witch turns the men into pigs.
There there is a lot of skin moving,
Yes.
jaw moving, transformation stuff that I do not enjoy.
Let me tell you something. I don't think we're supposed to enjoy it.
No, I do not.
I think it's meant to be pretty visceral and scary.
Yes.
And the social media ~ reaction to it I think is also that,
Yeah. It is not
like,
as scary as that trailer that plays before this movie.
Jessica Chastain.
I was so I did I did not like that.
And it looks like no one liked it from social media.
Okay, good.
No.
Good. Remove that from in front of the Odyssey and you have
a great movie experience. ~
When did you close
your eyes for that trailer or did you watch the whole thing?
I looked away. yeah, I looked away.
I don't close my eyes. I just kind of look and let my peripheral vision catch
Wha at what moment did you know to look away?
it from the side.
Did you w when
did you look away? At what moment?
Do you remember?
When the stove alarm started going off,
I knew before this is a horror movie,
~ but when the stove started going off and there was a single teardrop coming from
What are you
Jessica Chastain's smiling face,
I said, You will not find me watching the rest of this trailer.
One, Winnie turned over to me,
she was like, Pasta doesn't burn like that in a pot.
And I was like, that's very good.
I didn't didn't think about that.
All right. That's it. That's yep.
And then two, once I saw Jessica Chastain under that table,
eyes sealed shut the rest of the time.
To be to
be fair, I did however I did see her under the table.
So I guess I was kind of like flickering.
That was all I
I saw under the table and I was like,
we won't be seeing this anymore.
No, no no no.
I don't let's talk about horror movies real quick.
One more thing before we leave the Odyssey.
Yeah. Everybody
wants Christopher Nolan to do a horror movie now because of the pig scene.
Well, here's the thing. I am committed to watching every Christopher Nolan movie
until he stops making movies, but I I don't want him to do a horror movie.
Oof. Sure.
No, please, please don't. Do not.
Please don't. Please don't I like I hope this like was enough.
Christopher Nolan, did you watch this with people and see them cringe and go like,
Feel like yeah.
~ okay, good.
I hope not. Anyway, yeah, that trailer was terrible.
But Cersei. What is the actress name?
Mm-hmm. Fantastic. Fantastic performance.
I'm trying to find it. Samantha Morton.
Samantha Morton.
Her performance was amaz. It is the most disturbing performance.
And Christopher Nolan even said I saw an interview where he was talking
to somebody in the junket, and he was like,
We just let her go and it was pretty wild.
It's like
He I believe that she said that she didn't know that she was like humming until
she saw the movie. Like she didn't know like while she was in the scene,
she didn't know like part of it was just humming a little tune.
Ooh.
Woof.
I don't like that at all.
I think that's good stuff. The I will say this.
I don't like that tidbit.
I think every I'm not sure there's one is there
a one I was a Travis Scott's bard at
the very beginning I was like
What is this voice? But that was back when I thought that people were gonna
Yeah, what's happening?
be doing British accents, I think.
And the fact that when it was like,
I say, sure, sure.
everyone's doing sort of a vague American middle America sort of accent,
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was like, all right, I'm back.
But I think everyone's acting performance was like there was
Yeah.
no like super take me out of it performance.
And I think Anne Hathaway
The way that she cries and breaks,
the way her chin trembles when she's trying to hold in tears.
Yes. Yes.
I mean, we go back to the Le Miz,
I dreamed a dream scene, like no one face acts sorrow like Anne
Hathaway.
Or when she realizes it's Odysseus at the end,
like her face is the one you want to see to make that realization.
Like amazing. But the pig scene,
So good.
Nate. ~
I don't know if there's
much more to say about it except when I give my recommendations for people
to see this, whom I love, I tell them,
Yeah.
It's amazing, there's some body horror.
I just one, apparently there was a lot of practical effects in that scene
of like modeling clay and stuff,
Yeah, I could see it. Yeah, yeah.
Like you
animatronics, whatever.
put your hand inside of a mouth that is not a real human mouth and like,
okay.
Yeah.
I wouldn't know. I didn't see it.
But as the scene was happening,
I had my eyes closed, as you do.
You looked away
for it.
Yeah, I don't need those ~ I just just
I stared at every pixel of that frame.
I couldn't look away.
the first I saw like the first couple seconds and that was enough to kind
of haunt me the night and the night after,
like just thinking what yeah.
Alright, so this is this is where
we want to talk. I want to talk about horror movies for a second.
Just sort of like seeing Jessica Chastain under a table.
If you see something,
Which on the face of it doesn't sound scary,
if you see something, yeah, it it's terrifying.
but
No, no, no, no, no,
It's she's not just sitting under the table.
Let's just say that. It's sh she's not sitting crisscross applesauce.
no. She's in a position you wouldn't want Jessica Chestane or any human to be in.
She's not crisscross applesauce,
Correct. ~ listen.
okay?
I worry that if I stop watching after seeing the scariest thing,
that my mind will go like, okay,
that's the opening frame for a little brain picture I like to call imagine
the scariest thing to happen next.
So there is part of me that worries that my own imagination is also
Sure.
a great horror director. And so sometimes I think I must.
swim through the whirlpool to pivot out the other side.
Mm. You gotta you gotta Winston Churchill.
Winston
Churchill says if you're walking through hell,
keep walking. Or don't stop or whatever.
Right. And I kept
walking all the way to the pig time.
I see. Well I watched them return from the pig time and so I at least
Mm-hmm.
got that which was much more mild,
I think. but I just I just need to say my wife was sitting next to me,
Yes.
who does not like anything horror movies,
Yeah. Yeah.
does not like, you know, all that kind of stuff.
And as I was turned ninety degrees with my eyes closed,
I opened one eye to just see what my wife was doing.
No problem. No problem watching the scene.
See, that's
the thing. Jill watched it with me.
She had no problem with that scene.
She said it was like modeling clay.
That's liter that was Whitney's words to She's It's like modeling clay,
whatever.
Yeah, it
was just she was just stretching their faces into pigs.
You know, as they do.
okay, I like I
guess your mind doesn't try to then imagine what that would feel like
in real life later that night,
'cause that's what I do. That's why I can't see it.
Mm-hmm.
'Cause that is horrifying. But anyway,
sorry.
I
think maybe you should watch that scene on like a I'm sure you got like
an iPhone five laying around somewhere.
If you held that at arm's length and played it
You know, I got an iPod video.
Maybe with my glasses off. Just so it's a little blurry.
I think it's something sm if it's a picture in
S small, post just.
picture and that's happening and on the outside of the scene,
you know, is like yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like rainbows and butterflies or something.
the the fainting goats happening or something.
I well anyway, I might I might try to watch it later.
'Cause that will be the scene like so my oldest son,
he's a senior in high school this year,
Mm-hmm. Mm. Wonderful.
he's actually reading the Odyssey this year.
So it's pretty well timing and like after we finished watching,
even Wendy like, you know, rated R,
pretty mild R overall. Like the pig scene might be why it's an R.
Cyclops chomps the dude's head,
but that's kinda from farther away.
It's not
Yeah,
it's darker, you know. But you know,
if he reads the book and we want to see it at home,
do we skip the pig scene? Do we you know,
that'll be the question. I don't know.
Yeah, for sure.
I don't know. We'll see. I will not be watching we'll see.
I'll I'll I'll think about it.
I think you will.
I think you will. I have a tiny,
We'll see.
tiny knit to pick in this fantastic movie.
Okay. Sure.
I thought the tentacled monster,
there's a name Celia Scylla potentially,
that comes down and grabs them.
Something, yeah. Yeah, six of them.
Didn't love the CG of that.
That felt like do you remember Galaxy Quest when there was a rock monster?
Or like it if it felt like an early type of CG.
I feel like Star Wars prequels CG a little bit.
Yeah,
it felt a little a little Stargate.
Little Sarlac Pit.
A little Stargate Atlantis kind of like feeling to it.
Yeah, that was a little
And so I had the thought of like Do it there was there's been people
Yeah, yeah.
in this anti CG discussions that are everywhere.
They're like, Yeah, and they really yanked people out of there out of
Yeah, yeah.
the boat for real. I was like,
Well that's great, but
The tentacles.
The little the little rock thing that came the tentacles w you know,
Yeah, but that's
that's all CG and I was like I didn't I didn't think that was great.
Small knit to pick. That actually took me that moment took me out of
Yeah, that was a little like small nit,
small nit.
the movie a little bit when I was like,
this has been so like in camera feeling and then that was like what is that sort
Well when when they when it's when
of swirly rock?
it slurps back into the mountain I think is what does it 'cause if you just
Yeah.
see the tentacles and the guy's throw like I couldn't tell,
is this a kraken? Is this a you know,
you don't know what it is.
I wanted to know
the the the thing that's picking them up.
I couldn't discern a pincer?
Yes. Is that a mouth? Is that a pincer?
Is that a is there a thumb and a forefinger?
Or is it just kinda like Velcro?
It looked like just a nub of rock came down and st yes.
Just sticky. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. Like it's a I don't know.
I don't know. But that was that was it.
It wasn't a face. It definitely
wasn't face like.
I don't know if it had a face.
Side note sh yes.
I really wish I would have seen less of it.
I think is what I wish. Cause I think
That I would agree to that.
I think speaking of a restrained part of the movie,
the siren song moment of them putting the wax in and the sound getting
all dampened and we don't hear the siren song,
So good. You don't hear the sirens on?
but we just get to imagine.
Chef's
kiss. Chef's kiss. The Hades scene,
by the way, they actually buried the actors in sand and they had
And gave him snorkels. Yeah, we.
si and gave snorkels. I think we've seen all the same reels,
That's so cool. So cool. We have.
mate. I think our algorithms are just as one this week.
Yes, we correct,
All Odyssey. ~ you got anything else before we write this movie?
correct. And I don't mind. Okay.
I have one more thing.
Yes, please.
I really appreciate that this movie felt like
an art form because it felt like it was made by people,
Yeah.
a whole crew of people, who took their jobs very,
Yeah.
very, very seriously. And that is something that man,
Yes.
I almost well, am I gonna say it?
I am gonna say it. As an artist myself
Sure. Sure.
As a father, as an art
no, as an artist, I think that there
is something beautiful about making art that is meant to entertain and delight,
and yet doing it with an intensity and focus
and passion that
is way more than what actually it is doing for the world.
Like going over the top with how much you care,
even if at the end of it w like for example,
what I get is a smile or someone enjoying it for a little bit,
but I treat it with the type of care of of like,
this is the most important thing in the world while I'm in it.
I watched this movie and I felt like everyone behind it felt like this was super,
super important. And the care and the craft of it shone through that
it wasn't just for box office or f there wasn't a nostalgia play.
There wasn't a like, this is gonna rock their socks or this is gonna make
for a great social media clip.
It just felt like a movie that was about a story.
and a bunch of people very passionate about making the best possible movie.
Yes. A hundred percent. And I think the no CGI conversation
is really subconsciously a no AI conversation.
I think people are saying that because it is a anti if they I think what people want
I think it's a pro
to say
craft craftsmanship.
That's that's
what I'm saying. And I think what this movie has done,
like in this particular period of time that we are in,
where AI is here and all this stuff,
Mm-hmm.
people are like, okay, he did something really hard.
The format is hard. IMAX cameras,
Yes.
first time the film has ever a film has ever been recorded completely
on IMAX cameras. It only records for two to three minutes at a time.
They had to build a stinking blimp to hold it so it could dampen the sound.
They used mirrors
so they could see each other. We
They use mirrors, like like all of
that, and I think all of that actually helps people understand,
like, okay, you can do something that's really hard and it
be really great and people love it.
Like all those things are true at the same time.
Yes.
And it is completely antithetical to asking something to generate
an image that takes almost no effort.
It is almost no care involved.
And almost no one likes it. Like it is the complete antithesis.
Right.
And I think one I think people wanted a reason to go to the movies again.
Like we have not had this kind of moment,
Mm.
I feel like since Endgame, which the incredible irony,
Yes.
we now have the doomsday trailer out the day after the Odyssey premiered,
and it looks like it's not gonna be very good.
And it's like But but Christopher Nolan gave us a reason and the reason like
The reason why people went is because they knew this was hard to make.
Everybody was invested, like you were saying.
Like no one was messing around.
Like
It was a mountain
of human effort.
Yes. And like that almost made me emotional.
Like to just to know like we are still capable of this.
Even with all the stuff out there,
Right.
human beings are still capable of making something like this.
It takes a bunch of people working together,
working towards the same end goal,
and it is an incredible. And like he told that story.
And that is something that
I think AI and the generation stuff like it it doesn't have the ability
to tell a compelling story. And that's what this was.
And it doesn't matter that the story is three thousand years old.
You would think that that would somehow make it less applicable to 2026.
But actually it is applicable today because it was told so well
and everybody telling it cared enough to do give it everything
Mm-hmm. Yep.
and like that worth it.
It shows that authentic craftsmanship
will trump overall spectacle.
Because the spectacle is not they shot the most beautiful sunset
Yes.
in the world or the most deluxe castle.
Like it wasn't
That it was, this looks like a real castle on a hill.
that's a real sunset. ~ there are really dolphins out the side of this ship.
Which was total chance. Yeah.
Like, the the beauty of this film is almost in
the fact that it trusts that we will connect with the characters and
we will connect to the places.
And we don't need the most magnificent sunset or the most magnificent vista
to wow us. We can just be wowed by the fact that if you set up a camera that takes
in every pixel of a Mediterranean rock and the w waves lapping
on it and you like just record all the sounds of those waves.
and take in all of the light into your giant,
giant camera, that we as humans are still capable of appreciating that.
And that's enough.
Yeah. And that it's funny you say that,
like when I first saw the Ithaca castle,
which like like the you see it early on in the movie,
my first thought was like that's not remarkable.
It's not a big castle, it's not visually impressive as far as like
you see many other medieval movies and castles and you're like it's huge things.
You know, Game of Thrones is huge things.
And like you're saying, i it was only remarkable in a sense of like it was real.
Like that's what was remarkable.
It was real and there's real people interacting in this real world and I
f like it was so real that you feel a part of it for three hours.
And it's it's incredible and it's ~ it's makes me optimistic that it's happening
Yes.
and that even if people don't articulate or don't really know what they're feeling,
that I think we're all feeling that thing.
I have this movie has given me the most hope in Hollywood that I've had
in a long time because I'm hoping that the financial success of this movie will show
studios that, hey, we're not we don't want to just like pump
out things like nostalgia plays and Shrek Five and like
Shrek five.
You remember He Man, don't you?
Like go, go, go. And it's a little bit more of it it's also it's
not necessarily funny.
But it is seeing the Moana live action Odyssey
in the same theater comparison,
they feel like antithetical to one another as well in the scheme of Hollywood.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so I'm hoping that this corrects in a nice way of like,
hey, let directors cook, let them like have some craftsmanship in it
and really like go for again, not an original story,
but
like taking a a universal story and bringing it to life.
I thought was very cool. Ready to rate it.
Very cool. Well, Nate, how
would you rate the Odyssey on a scale of zero to five bows?
Let's let's be real here. Boom.
So good.
I'm gonna give the Odyssey five bows.
Thank you. Thank you.
I'm gonna give this
movie a five. Again, my knocks are like would bring it down to like
a four point seven five. Body horror is one.
But other and and I also don't know how it will play on a smaller screen.
But I'm still gonna give this movie.
This is like I think Inception is probably still my favorite Christopher Nolan
movie. I think this would be number two for me.
Hm.
I think they're both fives.
I will also give it five bows.
I think the time that this movie happened
also speaks to how to the importance of it,
which I think kind of whatever knocks someone may have over it,
I think takes it past that. Like I think dare I say it was important
for this movie to exist today in twenty twenty six because of that.
Mm-hmm.
And
Like be just because of of everything else that's going on.
And it also, you know, I see a bunch of reels of people like
the post-movie huddles that happen where people leave the theater
Mm-hmm.
and then there's like huddles of people talking about the movie,
and then there's memes of people being like when you don't have a huddle
to go to after the movie, and it's like just a guy like wandering around.
But it is also telling of like,
no, people still want to do that.
And like people still look at that happening and are nostalgic for
it and hopeful for it at the same time because it is that shared human experience.
And even if you're just experiencing something on the screen,
if whatever was on that screen is powerful enough,
it is a shared experience that is deep enough to then connect you outside
of that theater to each other and like like we have done for the past hour.
And so I think I think it was important.
Right. Yes.
It's five.
I left that movie theater for my eight forty AM movie.
I was out by noon or whatever in the middle of the day,
Broad daylight.
walked back to the car with my wife,
and she said to me, I'm not ready to talk about it yet.
Just I just she just wanted to think about it a little bit more.
We went to a restaurant and had lunch together.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brunch.
And
it was it was pa afternoon by then.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
This movie's three hours long.
And we talked the whole time about this movie,
the whole lunch, and she said,
I think this is the greatest movie ever made.
That was her opinion on the thing and
She has even said to me this week,
and again, she was on the fence.
She wasn't sure how scared she was going to be.
And from her perspective, from a scariness rating,
she was worried that it was gonna be kinda gory and scary,
got halfway through and realized she spent sort of the first half clenched.
And then when she realized it wasn't going to be that scary,
Yeah yeah. Yeah. Ready.
she like enjoyed the rest of it.
She mentioned to me this week,
half joking but half serious.
Maybe I'll go out one of these evenings and just go watch it again.
Just go see it. So that is her review of this movie.
Wow. Okay.
But the ability to discuss it with her,
It's high praise.
to talk with you about it. My brother's gonna go see it soon.
I'm excited to talk to him about it.
I texted my dad, like, hey, you should go see the Odyssey.
Yes.
I don't know how you feel about these things,
but you should go see it.
Yeah. And that that has been I've seen a couple people on social media that
I know asking like, ~ I don't have any seventy millimeter I don't even have
any IMAX heaters, doesn't matter,
should I go see it? It's like,
go see it. Just go see it.
Yeah. I
just saw it in a standard a standard one.
Yeah.
I didn't see it in IMEX.
Just just go see it because it is Zeitgeisty,
yes, but like the most justified Zeitgeist I think I've seen in a long time.
Yeah. Are we gonna be part of the problem by overhyping this movie before people
go see it?
I don't know, you talk about a couple things you didn't like.
I feel like, you know, we're at least we at least tempered it.
But I feel like it is also sure.
It starts rather slow. It gets it gets
going like it ramps you up to it,
which I think is is great, but if you're used to you kids in your TikToks
Yeah, it wraps up, yeah.
and your Snapchats and your vines,
you're gonna have to wait a while for it to get going.
Yeah, the vines.
That's true. The only ~ plot hole I saw,
they talked about inside the horse and how they lost several men
Mm-hmm.
to drowning because the tide came in because they were inside the Trojan horse.
And I'm like, they were on that beach for ten years.
Right.
They didn't know how far to put that horse inland?
Anyway, that's all I'm saying.
Right. And also,
they didn't tell Elliot Page that they were in there to lie to him,
but like, hold on a second. What was he doing while they were all getting
How do you
in the horse?
That's that's what I'm saying.
Like everybody was a ra
Hey, come over hey,
come over here. Come over here.
We're all gonna le we're all leaving for sure.
We're all even.
Clam, clam, clam, clam, clam.
Just punched right in the face.
She goes, I need you to be knocked out.
We wake up. All right, d now tell it's a gift.
Right yeah, exact yeah,
like yeah, I don't get that. But anyway,
five out of five. Doesn't matter.
go get us five star rating in ~ Apple Podcast,
please, in a review. Thank you.
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