WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.716 --> 00:00:27.046 Anke: Hello and welcome, Katie. 00:00:27.456 --> 00:00:28.786 I'm very excited to have you here. 00:00:29.586 --> 00:00:31.086 Katy: Hi, thanks very much for having me. 00:00:31.096 --> 00:00:31.996 It's a great opportunity. 00:00:32.026 --> 00:00:32.446 Thank you. 00:00:33.626 --> 00:00:39.916 Anke: Well, as we always do, let's go and start out with giving people like 00:00:39.916 --> 00:00:41.956 the two minutes bird's eye overview. 00:00:41.956 --> 00:00:45.696 So where in this lovely world are you based and what's your business 00:00:45.796 --> 00:00:46.386 Katy: for dogs? 00:00:47.946 --> 00:00:52.566 So, uh, yeah, so I am based in the UK, in the Midlands, just outside of Nottingham, 00:00:53.396 --> 00:00:57.346 and I am a canine massage therapist, something not everybody's heard of, 00:00:57.386 --> 00:00:59.716 but, uh, yeah, it's a great job to have. 00:01:00.856 --> 00:01:01.186 I love 00:01:01.186 --> 00:01:02.038 Anke: it, I love it. 00:01:02.038 --> 00:01:05.651 I mean, to be honest, I had not heard of it either. 00:01:05.861 --> 00:01:12.311 Before, um, I came across an ad, actually Facebook ad of like, Edward, Dr. 00:01:12.311 --> 00:01:15.751 Ed, you know, and so I was like, Oh my God, what is this? 00:01:15.761 --> 00:01:18.941 So when then, when we got in touch and I realized like, Oh, 00:01:19.011 --> 00:01:20.021 so you've trained with him. 00:01:20.061 --> 00:01:22.261 It's like, Ooh, really interesting now. 00:01:22.601 --> 00:01:26.421 And so anybody listening, if you were on the Panic Turkey Summit, Dr. 00:01:26.451 --> 00:01:27.251 Ed was on there. 00:01:27.251 --> 00:01:29.751 So here you've got somebody who actually. 00:01:30.086 --> 00:01:31.126 Uh, trained with him. 00:01:31.126 --> 00:01:35.756 So I'm curious about how did you get started with that? 00:01:35.776 --> 00:01:39.506 And then how, you know, what happened for you to say, well, actually, I'm 00:01:39.506 --> 00:01:41.586 going to turn that into, into my, 00:01:41.646 --> 00:01:42.186 Katy: into my work? 00:01:46.046 --> 00:01:46.346 Yeah. 00:01:47.071 --> 00:01:50.661 So, um, obviously I have a dog like a lot of people. 00:01:50.701 --> 00:01:54.741 Most of the people actually all got into it because of their dog. 00:01:55.371 --> 00:01:58.641 Um, my dog was aged four when she was diagnosed with 00:01:58.641 --> 00:02:00.141 hip dysplasia and arthritis. 00:02:00.701 --> 00:02:02.181 I was like, this, this can't be happening. 00:02:02.181 --> 00:02:05.471 This isn't, you know, it's not the plan for my life or for hers, quite frankly. 00:02:05.851 --> 00:02:08.971 You know, one minute we're doing agility and running around doing long walks and 00:02:08.971 --> 00:02:10.501 then the vet's saying, well, that's it. 00:02:10.501 --> 00:02:10.851 Can it? 00:02:10.851 --> 00:02:11.611 You're not going to happen. 00:02:12.331 --> 00:02:15.121 Um, so I started looking around to see what I could do to help 00:02:15.121 --> 00:02:16.511 her as she kind of grew old. 00:02:16.541 --> 00:02:17.291 This can be quick. 00:02:17.291 --> 00:02:17.561 Oops. 00:02:18.131 --> 00:02:23.391 Um, And I started looking at individual courses and I came across Canine Massage 00:02:23.391 --> 00:02:28.441 and it was just, I remember kind of, it's almost like being in a Lion, Witch 00:02:28.451 --> 00:02:30.641 and the Wardrobe movie and going through the back of the wardrobe and there's 00:02:30.641 --> 00:02:34.521 this whole world out there of dogs and it's like, I didn't know it existed. 00:02:35.081 --> 00:02:38.301 Up until that point I thought, you know, if the dog has a problem, you go to a vet. 00:02:42.341 --> 00:02:44.161 I realized that there's a whole load more out there. 00:02:44.451 --> 00:02:47.901 Um, so initially I studied with a. 00:02:48.796 --> 00:02:52.056 uh, organisation in the south of England, called Galen Therapy Centre. 00:02:52.056 --> 00:02:56.316 That is a very clinical based massage. 00:02:56.496 --> 00:03:00.286 It's all around anatomy and physiology and learning all about the different 00:03:00.286 --> 00:03:04.326 body systems, and how all the muscles and the bones operate and work together. 00:03:05.006 --> 00:03:09.521 Um, and uh, yeah, so I, uh, I studied for two years for that. 00:03:09.951 --> 00:03:14.611 Um, and then it was last year, I saw the advert for Whole 00:03:14.611 --> 00:03:15.831 Energy Body Balance by Dr. 00:03:15.841 --> 00:03:16.781 Edward Bassing Dwight. 00:03:16.851 --> 00:03:18.461 I'm a healing vet, as he's known. 00:03:18.951 --> 00:03:20.461 Um, and I thought, well, you know what? 00:03:20.471 --> 00:03:22.681 I've done my massage qualification, but this really 00:03:22.681 --> 00:03:24.451 fits with who I am as a person. 00:03:24.871 --> 00:03:26.051 It's very holistic. 00:03:26.371 --> 00:03:30.411 Um, it's, uh, the physical, the emotional and everything all rolled in together. 00:03:31.211 --> 00:03:36.311 Um, and I just felt that that gave me my business and kind of decided then on 00:03:36.351 --> 00:03:37.581 the direction that I was going to go. 00:03:40.551 --> 00:03:46.601 So, until, uh, kind of end of last year, um, I'd been doing this part 00:03:46.601 --> 00:03:49.181 time for a couple of years, running it alongside my marketing career. 00:03:50.531 --> 00:03:53.681 Um, and to be honest, you know, I treated friends dogs and family dogs 00:03:53.681 --> 00:03:56.871 and the odd dog here and there, but nothing really much had happened. 00:03:57.681 --> 00:04:01.511 Um, and I decided I lost my marketing job again. 00:04:01.891 --> 00:04:04.541 It's the joys of being in marketing, you're always first out when 00:04:04.541 --> 00:04:07.741 there's cost cutting exercises. 00:04:08.471 --> 00:04:12.261 Um, and I thought, you know what, I'm going to turn this business. 00:04:13.061 --> 00:04:14.231 Into, you know, full time. 00:04:15.036 --> 00:04:17.356 And I have to say it's one of the best decisions I've ever done. 00:04:18.056 --> 00:04:21.406 Um, just being able to work with dogs every day is brilliant. 00:04:21.516 --> 00:04:26.656 And it's been, what was it, November was I started, so about five months now. 00:04:27.026 --> 00:04:28.136 And it's really growing. 00:04:28.136 --> 00:04:30.756 So 00:04:31.316 --> 00:04:34.756 Anke: what did you do differently from, you know, it's a side hustle. 00:04:34.906 --> 00:04:37.886 When you decided, okay, this is going to be my main gig, what 00:04:37.896 --> 00:04:39.136 did you start doing differently? 00:04:40.216 --> 00:04:41.236 Katy: I put all my energy into it. 00:04:42.321 --> 00:04:46.491 I think that was the biggest thing because I was, um, trying to still 00:04:46.551 --> 00:04:48.561 have my marketing career on the side. 00:04:48.971 --> 00:04:51.591 Um, and that was taking up an awful lot of my energy. 00:04:51.851 --> 00:04:53.031 It was very stressful. 00:04:53.351 --> 00:04:57.661 Um, was taking up a lot of my, not just my time, but of my, my, myself. 00:04:58.021 --> 00:05:01.701 And I found that when I came to my two or three days with 00:05:01.701 --> 00:05:03.351 the dogs, I was just exhausted. 00:05:04.241 --> 00:05:07.941 Um, and so having that time then to just put all my energy into. 00:05:08.591 --> 00:05:11.061 into doing the marketing, which is something I kind of know a little 00:05:11.061 --> 00:05:12.591 bit about having had a career in it. 00:05:12.591 --> 00:05:18.011 Um, yeah, it gave me, it gave me that motivation. 00:05:18.021 --> 00:05:20.811 And I think before that I was holding myself back. 00:05:21.791 --> 00:05:23.041 I was like, Oh, it's fine. 00:05:23.041 --> 00:05:24.731 It'll just take off by itself. 00:05:24.731 --> 00:05:28.081 And I actually had to step out of my comfort zone and go, right. 00:05:28.131 --> 00:05:29.441 Yeah, I'm going to do it. 00:05:30.251 --> 00:05:31.091 I love 00:05:31.091 --> 00:05:31.251 Anke: that. 00:05:31.591 --> 00:05:37.981 So, so are there, I mean, you know, you're the first one to know it's like, 00:05:37.981 --> 00:05:42.221 okay, If you go out and say, well, I can help any dog with anything, that's 00:05:42.291 --> 00:05:43.551 probably going to be hard, right? 00:05:43.551 --> 00:05:49.521 So is there something that you focus on, you know, to a particular kind 00:05:49.521 --> 00:05:51.341 of dog, a particular kind of issue? 00:05:51.341 --> 00:05:52.281 What do people come 00:05:52.281 --> 00:05:52.801 Katy: to you for? 00:05:53.651 --> 00:05:57.121 So I have a variety of different, uh, dogs that I see. 00:05:57.521 --> 00:06:01.161 Um, I see a lot of, uh, dogs with arthritis, dogs that are just 00:06:01.161 --> 00:06:02.741 old age, slowing down generally. 00:06:03.321 --> 00:06:07.521 Um, and it can really help them just to put a bit of spring back in their step. 00:06:08.041 --> 00:06:10.501 Um, particularly if they're kind of middle aged, it helps them keep going a 00:06:10.501 --> 00:06:12.071 bit longer without the veterinary meds. 00:06:13.591 --> 00:06:16.631 And for the older dogs, it just brings a bit more comfort in their old age. 00:06:17.461 --> 00:06:19.881 But in addition to that, it's, you know, dogs with injuries. 00:06:20.141 --> 00:06:23.591 I had a dog in the other week that had just been bashed by a 00:06:23.611 --> 00:06:26.751 pair of skis on a train platform, unfortunately, and it was like, ouch. 00:06:27.121 --> 00:06:30.181 And it just took one session and, you know, young pup, and off she went again. 00:06:32.116 --> 00:06:36.266 There's dogs like, uh, my dog that have orthopedic conditions like 00:06:36.266 --> 00:06:39.746 hip dysplasia, spondylosis, uh, elbow dysplasia, things like that. 00:06:40.266 --> 00:06:41.426 So I see a lot of those dogs. 00:06:41.926 --> 00:06:45.226 Um, and that's very much kind of on the clinical side. 00:06:45.246 --> 00:06:49.506 It's all these conditions, orthopedic conditions, and then the whole energy body 00:06:49.506 --> 00:06:53.906 balance brings, as you know, brings in the other side of it, which is then working 00:06:53.916 --> 00:06:55.646 with the reactive and the anxious dogs. 00:06:56.361 --> 00:07:01.701 So you get dogs that are really, really hyper and can't switch off, um, and the 00:07:01.821 --> 00:07:06.271 whole energy body balance massage really helps to, um, kind of get the dog's 00:07:06.271 --> 00:07:08.521 parasympathetic nervous system to kick in. 00:07:08.871 --> 00:07:11.551 And they then start to learn how to self regulate their emotions 00:07:11.561 --> 00:07:12.951 so they can calm themselves down. 00:07:13.441 --> 00:07:17.271 So for dogs that's anxious or reactive, they then start, yes, they might 00:07:17.271 --> 00:07:21.381 still react to this dog or this person crossing their path, but they calm 00:07:21.381 --> 00:07:22.861 down so much quicker afterwards. 00:07:25.091 --> 00:07:25.191 That's 00:07:25.401 --> 00:07:25.971 Anke: powerful. 00:07:27.101 --> 00:07:30.811 Yeah, no, that is that, that's powerful stuff because people always 00:07:30.811 --> 00:07:34.421 kind of like, oh, how can I, you know, distract my dog and whatever. 00:07:34.601 --> 00:07:38.476 So it's like, if they can self regulate, that's, that's powerful. 00:07:39.246 --> 00:07:43.156 I think, you know, going too, too much, much closer to the source of it or to the 00:07:43.926 --> 00:07:46.496 Katy: Yeah, it's much better than just kind of putting a sticking plaster 00:07:46.496 --> 00:07:49.136 on it to actually get to the source of the problem and help that dog. 00:07:49.856 --> 00:07:51.826 And hopefully they're then living a happier life. 00:07:52.496 --> 00:07:52.806 Yeah. 00:07:53.316 --> 00:07:56.556 Anke: And, you know, and probably your owners will be, you know, more relaxed 00:07:56.676 --> 00:08:00.126 too, like less on edge when it, you know, when you're, you know, I, my 00:08:00.126 --> 00:08:04.456 first dog, he got bitten by, you know, a dog and then he was always like wary 00:08:04.486 --> 00:08:07.446 of other male dogs in confined spaces. 00:08:07.446 --> 00:08:11.036 He's fine on the beach or any space, but, but so, and that was 00:08:11.036 --> 00:08:15.786 like as a, as somebody, me going with him, that wasn't always fun. 00:08:15.826 --> 00:08:19.736 Like if I knew there was going to be like, Oh, then you're on edge already. 00:08:19.996 --> 00:08:20.076 Right. 00:08:20.106 --> 00:08:24.266 So, you know, if I know that he can handle the situation, everything, 00:08:24.296 --> 00:08:25.506 you know, everybody benefits. 00:08:27.216 --> 00:08:28.786 Katy: And that's, I think one of the biggest problems is. 00:08:30.106 --> 00:08:33.636 is as humans, you know, we have to put ourselves in that calm 00:08:33.636 --> 00:08:37.006 position because if you know, your dog just picks up on everything. 00:08:37.526 --> 00:08:38.636 Um, they can't help themselves. 00:08:38.636 --> 00:08:39.726 That's, that's what they do. 00:08:39.926 --> 00:08:40.116 Yeah. 00:08:41.096 --> 00:08:41.216 And that's what 00:08:41.496 --> 00:08:44.416 Anke: we love them for, but you know, you also, you can't trick your dog. 00:08:44.426 --> 00:08:45.876 I would say you can't trick your dog. 00:08:45.876 --> 00:08:46.449 Right. 00:08:46.449 --> 00:08:52.006 Do you find that, you know, when it comes to I don't know. 00:08:52.006 --> 00:08:57.046 I think anybody who's ever experienced a massage, like, you know, will 00:08:57.046 --> 00:09:01.776 appreciate, you know, how that calms you down and how great that feels. 00:09:02.246 --> 00:09:07.486 Do you find that dogs, do you ever have, have you ever had a 00:09:07.486 --> 00:09:11.466 dog who didn't like a massage or are they just like melting under 00:09:11.466 --> 00:09:12.766 Katy: your hands? 00:09:12.846 --> 00:09:13.436 It varies. 00:09:13.436 --> 00:09:17.714 Some dogs come in and they just collapse and go, yep, you do whatever you like. 00:09:17.714 --> 00:09:18.411 That's fine. 00:09:19.081 --> 00:09:21.261 Other dogs are like, what do you think you're doing? 00:09:21.331 --> 00:09:22.101 You're touching me. 00:09:22.101 --> 00:09:23.011 I didn't give you permission. 00:09:24.421 --> 00:09:26.081 And it's like, okay, this is going to be okay. 00:09:30.281 --> 00:09:32.271 I don't get much hands on work in the first session. 00:09:32.761 --> 00:09:37.181 I spend a lot of time in that first session talking with the owners, trying 00:09:37.181 --> 00:09:40.431 to understand a bit about the history, the lifestyle, talking through kind of some 00:09:40.431 --> 00:09:43.991 tips they can do at home and things like that, in the hope that the dog is then 00:09:44.071 --> 00:09:46.061 kind of acclimatising to the situation. 00:09:46.821 --> 00:09:51.061 Um, and it's quite often you start off very gentle, just with hands on, 00:09:51.551 --> 00:09:54.631 not really doing much work, but just getting them used to your touch. 00:09:55.061 --> 00:09:57.861 Because that intentional touch is something very different for the dog. 00:09:58.261 --> 00:10:02.221 To just a stroke and a there, there, nice dog pat on the head. 00:10:02.581 --> 00:10:05.341 Um, the dogs sense that there's something different about it. 00:10:05.681 --> 00:10:07.471 And they don't always accept it straight away. 00:10:08.041 --> 00:10:12.081 Um, but generally, um, I've never had a dog that didn't settle at all. 00:10:12.601 --> 00:10:15.031 And when they do settle, they tend to settle into a much 00:10:15.071 --> 00:10:16.541 deeper sense of relaxation. 00:10:17.401 --> 00:10:20.941 So there might be, um, you know, appearing kind of calm on the outside. 00:10:21.641 --> 00:10:24.221 But once you actually give them a massage, then you can kind of see that, you know, 00:10:24.221 --> 00:10:28.411 the eyes drop, and the head drops, and the kind of, the breathing slows, and 00:10:28.491 --> 00:10:30.281 they just collapse then, quite often. 00:10:30.341 --> 00:10:33.681 And, um, most dogs, particularly after their first appointment, they go home 00:10:33.681 --> 00:10:34.781 and they sleep the rest of the day. 00:10:36.221 --> 00:10:37.471 So that's it, they're just exhausted. 00:10:38.326 --> 00:10:38.576 Oh, 00:10:38.576 --> 00:10:41.216 Anke: that's, that's, yeah, that's awesome. 00:10:41.276 --> 00:10:44.986 Like, it feels like after sauna, you know, like it's kind of like, oh, and then you 00:10:44.986 --> 00:10:46.796 just pass out for the rest of the day. 00:10:46.796 --> 00:10:50.836 Is that, is that something, I mean, do you send owners home with like, 00:10:50.856 --> 00:10:54.146 okay, you do this while you're there before you're coming back? 00:10:55.186 --> 00:10:58.826 Katy: Yeah, so, um, very much it depends on the dog. 00:10:58.826 --> 00:11:00.906 I send owners home with different things depending on the dog. 00:11:01.496 --> 00:11:07.016 Um, there's a calming relaxation technique I show people, which I 00:11:07.016 --> 00:11:09.826 show to most people, to be honest, because that would help every dog. 00:11:10.381 --> 00:11:13.321 Regardless of whether they're reactive or not, and it's also 00:11:13.331 --> 00:11:14.281 really good for your bond. 00:11:15.736 --> 00:11:19.416 So I show most people that, some people I might show a couple of other 00:11:19.416 --> 00:11:21.926 different techniques depending on their dog and what they're presenting. 00:11:22.716 --> 00:11:26.256 I've sent some people home with exercises, just to kind of keep 00:11:26.266 --> 00:11:30.456 their dog flexible and moving, or exercise for proprioception. 00:11:30.456 --> 00:11:34.556 So it very much depends on the person, and it's trying to read that situation 00:11:34.556 --> 00:11:38.076 as well and to understand What level that owner is going to go to, how 00:11:38.076 --> 00:11:42.816 much time do they have, what is their setup like, um, and to kind of 00:11:43.656 --> 00:11:45.066 suggest something that's appropriate. 00:11:46.346 --> 00:11:46.836 Yeah, I 00:11:46.906 --> 00:11:47.346 Anke: can imagine. 00:11:48.246 --> 00:11:52.376 So I mean, is there something, um, like common myths you find you need 00:11:52.386 --> 00:11:56.396 to bust all the time or assumptions that people have or things that they 00:11:56.426 --> 00:12:00.926 think this is but it isn't or, you know, do you do some myth busting? 00:12:01.836 --> 00:12:02.416 Yeah, 00:12:02.446 --> 00:12:06.956 Katy: um, I'm not sure if it's myth busting, but a lot of things 00:12:06.966 --> 00:12:08.226 that people just don't realize. 00:12:09.361 --> 00:12:12.201 Um, like jumping in and out of a car. 00:12:13.261 --> 00:12:16.991 For dogs, so many dogs do that all day, you know, not all day, 00:12:16.991 --> 00:12:18.251 but, you know, do it frequently. 00:12:18.641 --> 00:12:22.841 And then people just don't realize the impact on the dog, um, and 00:12:22.841 --> 00:12:25.961 how, you know, yes, they can jump and yes, they're doing it, but it 00:12:25.961 --> 00:12:27.201 doesn't mean that they should be. 00:12:27.671 --> 00:12:31.921 And actually the pressure on those joints as they land, the pressure that goes 00:12:31.931 --> 00:12:35.371 up through the front feet and into the shoulders, um, and when they're jumping 00:12:35.371 --> 00:12:41.161 into this enclosed quite often without warming up, um, You know, it can cause 00:12:41.411 --> 00:12:45.781 huge issues, um, and I have had dogs that came to me and we worked out that the 00:12:45.781 --> 00:12:49.171 problem really was just the fact they were jumping in and out of the car, and once 00:12:49.171 --> 00:12:50.761 we stopped that, the pain disappeared. 00:12:52.991 --> 00:12:53.561 That's a big one. 00:12:54.161 --> 00:12:58.451 Yeah, I think that's one of the common ones, that and, um, ball throwing, um, 00:12:58.461 --> 00:13:02.541 the good old tennis ball, particularly the ones that have the, the chucker. 00:13:03.021 --> 00:13:03.641 Oh, okay. 00:13:04.221 --> 00:13:07.871 The dogs running at full speed, quite often they jump up in the 00:13:07.871 --> 00:13:10.541 air and catch the ball and they twist and they turn and they land. 00:13:11.231 --> 00:13:13.731 And they're doing all that at speed, so if you think about, if you slow it 00:13:13.731 --> 00:13:17.341 down and actually watch a video of a dog doing it, you can kind of see the, uh, 00:13:17.391 --> 00:13:21.941 the impact reverberate up the arms, um, or if they jump it, catching it to the 00:13:21.941 --> 00:13:25.831 legs, sometimes in the air, sometimes they land on their back legs, um, 00:13:25.911 --> 00:13:29.221 catching it, and that, um, yeah, huge amount of pressure through the joints. 00:13:29.411 --> 00:13:34.271 It's also teaching a kind of an obsessive compulsive behavior, um, for a dog 00:13:34.271 --> 00:13:39.371 that has that tendency to be anxious or reactive, it can make them worse. 00:13:41.246 --> 00:13:42.746 That makes sense 00:13:42.746 --> 00:13:45.586 Anke: and I can totally see because I get, I hear this a lot where people 00:13:45.586 --> 00:13:47.486 go, Oh, you know, they're nervous. 00:13:47.496 --> 00:13:51.356 So they need more exercise and people will be more likely to do more of 00:13:51.356 --> 00:13:54.776 that, to sort of wear the dog out because you know, there's like, Oh, a 00:13:54.776 --> 00:13:56.796 good dog, a tired dog is a good dog. 00:13:56.796 --> 00:13:58.816 And I don't think that's not my experience. 00:13:58.826 --> 00:13:59.176 Like that 00:13:59.436 --> 00:13:59.616 Katy: doesn't. 00:14:00.536 --> 00:14:05.066 I mean, a tired dog is generally a much better behaved dog, but it's better 00:14:05.446 --> 00:14:07.026 to tire them out using their brain. 00:14:07.026 --> 00:14:10.396 I'd be throwing a tennis ball. 00:14:11.291 --> 00:14:14.491 them because they're physically exhausted but they're wired. 00:14:14.871 --> 00:14:17.631 They're in that chase, that hunt, they're in their prey mode. 00:14:17.631 --> 00:14:21.631 I know dogs aren't designed to do that continually, you know, 00:14:21.631 --> 00:14:23.611 keep throwing the ball, throwing the ball, throwing the ball. 00:14:23.931 --> 00:14:27.001 In the wild, dog will go out on the chase, they kill the, kill 00:14:27.001 --> 00:14:29.691 the prey and that'll be the hunt done and they then rest and eat. 00:14:30.401 --> 00:14:32.851 Um, so you're much better if you want to calm your dog 00:14:32.851 --> 00:14:33.991 down to find some brain games. 00:14:34.636 --> 00:14:36.246 Do some scent work, something like that. 00:14:37.736 --> 00:14:39.536 Anke: Yeah, that makes, that makes sense. 00:14:39.856 --> 00:14:43.266 There's the um, uh, what's it called now? 00:14:44.276 --> 00:14:46.196 Sarah Fisher's, uh, 00:14:47.026 --> 00:14:47.646 Katy: I don't recognize 00:14:47.646 --> 00:14:47.936 Anke: that name. 00:14:48.006 --> 00:14:49.426 Blanking on it now, for God's sake. 00:14:50.026 --> 00:14:52.476 Um, you know, which basically sets up the um, 00:14:55.896 --> 00:14:58.426 I don't know, something work and I totally blank on it now. 00:14:58.586 --> 00:14:59.206 Oh, that's funny. 00:14:59.506 --> 00:15:03.386 But anyway, so there's basically this, it sets up a space where there's like 00:15:03.386 --> 00:15:08.471 a snuffle mat and different surfaces and different, um, Textures and you 00:15:08.471 --> 00:15:10.721 just kind of let the dog free work. 00:15:10.761 --> 00:15:11.131 That's it. 00:15:11.311 --> 00:15:11.741 Free work. 00:15:11.921 --> 00:15:12.161 Yeah. 00:15:12.191 --> 00:15:15.571 So it's like you just kind of let them do on their own. 00:15:15.571 --> 00:15:17.441 And that's what she's saying. 00:15:17.441 --> 00:15:19.361 Like, you know, there's like, yeah, that wears them out. 00:15:19.361 --> 00:15:21.941 Like, like a five mile line, you know? 00:15:23.011 --> 00:15:23.231 Katy: Yeah. 00:15:23.231 --> 00:15:25.521 That'd be much better for them than running, chasing a ball or, 00:15:25.561 --> 00:15:26.411 you know, running a marathon. 00:15:26.631 --> 00:15:32.691 It's getting them where there's the Lots to investigate, hidden places, different 00:15:33.021 --> 00:15:36.791 surfaces, um, things to crawl in, you know, tunnels and things like that. 00:15:36.971 --> 00:15:41.141 So, uh, yeah, that'd be a great way to calm a dog down and just, it gets 00:15:41.141 --> 00:15:45.041 them to just start regulating their own emotions as well then, as opposed to 00:15:45.431 --> 00:15:47.231 just kind of in prey mode the whole time. 00:15:47.926 --> 00:15:49.636 Anke: Yeah, that makes, that makes so much sense. 00:15:49.986 --> 00:15:55.466 So, you work with, like, you work hands on with docs, docs locally. 00:15:55.706 --> 00:15:58.836 Do you also offer, like, online consultations, or could somebody 00:15:58.836 --> 00:16:02.233 book a call with you and say, hey, what can I do, or how do 00:16:02.233 --> 00:16:02.607 Katy: you operate? 00:16:02.607 --> 00:16:03.906 Yeah, I, I've done a couple. 00:16:03.956 --> 00:16:08.266 Um, mostly it is, uh, on, uh, In person consultations. 00:16:08.821 --> 00:16:10.141 Um, but I'm growing my business. 00:16:10.651 --> 00:16:13.801 Um, it's going in all sorts of different directions at the moment. 00:16:14.241 --> 00:16:16.491 Um, certainly I've done a couple of online consults. 00:16:16.491 --> 00:16:19.401 I've had people contact me 'cause their parents have sent them an 00:16:19.406 --> 00:16:22.221 invite for an event I'm doing locally and they're like, oh, I did, is 00:16:22.221 --> 00:16:23.511 there something like this around me? 00:16:24.081 --> 00:16:26.601 Um, you know, I might do an online consult and they send me videos of their 00:16:26.631 --> 00:16:30.161 dog's gait and their photos of their posture and we do a little assessment. 00:16:30.791 --> 00:16:34.261 Um, and based on that I can give them some advice on, um, you 00:16:34.261 --> 00:16:35.371 know, exercises they can do. 00:16:35.371 --> 00:16:36.901 I can kind of talk 'em through a couple of different. 00:16:39.846 --> 00:16:42.686 Um, so yeah, there's options for online consults as well. 00:16:43.016 --> 00:16:45.696 Um, I'm also going out doing workshops as well. 00:16:46.306 --> 00:16:49.286 Um, in the local area, so there's a lot of local stuff going on. 00:16:49.746 --> 00:16:52.626 Um, and, uh, yeah, I'm hoping to do some kind of digital downloads 00:16:52.626 --> 00:16:53.656 as well later on in the year. 00:16:54.356 --> 00:16:55.456 Okay, that sounds, 00:16:55.456 --> 00:16:57.106 Anke: sounds fabulous. 00:16:57.116 --> 00:17:00.406 So where can people go and find out more about you, get in 00:17:00.466 --> 00:17:01.196 Katy: touch with you? 00:17:02.216 --> 00:17:04.926 Yeah, so I have a website, www. 00:17:05.076 --> 00:17:05.646 timeforpooch. 00:17:05.646 --> 00:17:06.231 com. 00:17:08.661 --> 00:17:13.351 And I have a Facebook page, also Time for Pooch, um, and I will be starting up a 00:17:13.351 --> 00:17:15.931 newsletter as well, um, in the next month. 00:17:16.301 --> 00:17:20.161 Um, so if people want to drop me a message on my Facebook page or, uh, on 00:17:20.171 --> 00:17:24.941 the contact form through the website, then I'll add you to my distribution 00:17:24.951 --> 00:17:27.821 list and, uh, you'll get updates from me as to find out where I've been up to. 00:17:28.391 --> 00:17:28.751 Anke: Awesome. 00:17:28.981 --> 00:17:31.951 And so the link's going to be obviously, like, below if you're 00:17:32.171 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