WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.050 --> 00:00:04.040 Rupert Isaacson: Welcome to Live Free Ride Free, where we talk to people who 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:09.680 have lived self-actualized lives on their own terms, and find out how they 00:00:09.680 --> 00:00:13.888 got there, what they do, how we can get there, what we can learn from them. 00:00:14.032 --> 00:00:18.839 How to live our best lives, find our own definition of success, 00:00:19.169 --> 00:00:21.689 and most importantly, find joy. 00:00:22.579 --> 00:00:24.259 I'm your host, Rupert Isaacson. 00:00:24.373 --> 00:00:27.463 New York Times bestselling author of the Horse Boy. 00:00:27.468 --> 00:00:31.491 Founder of New Trails Learning Systems and long ride home.com. 00:00:31.491 --> 00:00:37.109 You can find details of all our programs and shows on Rupert isaacson.com. 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:41.659 welcome to Live Free, ride Free episode number one. 00:00:41.769 --> 00:00:43.839 This is your host, Rupert Isaacson. 00:00:44.341 --> 00:00:48.401 Some of you may already know me from my book and film The Horse Boy, , which 00:00:48.401 --> 00:00:54.791 told the story of how I and my autistic then very severely autistic son Rowan, 00:00:54.971 --> 00:00:59.841 traveled across Mongolia, , in search of healing on horseback because he had 00:01:00.111 --> 00:01:03.231 become, In the saddle in front of me. 00:01:03.711 --> 00:01:08.511 and then a subsequent book called The Long Ride Home, which talked 00:01:08.511 --> 00:01:13.881 about, , three further journeys that we made in Africa and in the Australian 00:01:13.881 --> 00:01:16.761 rainforest and in the Navajo Reservation. 00:01:17.071 --> 00:01:19.471 , again, looking for healing and , finding it 00:01:19.991 --> 00:01:21.761 what is Live Free? 00:01:21.766 --> 00:01:22.361 Ride Free? 00:01:22.361 --> 00:01:25.561 It's about, People who self-actualize. 00:01:26.081 --> 00:01:27.011 What does that mean? 00:01:27.911 --> 00:01:33.611 It really means we're talking with people who've managed to successfully live life 00:01:33.851 --> 00:01:36.191 following their passionate interests. 00:01:36.941 --> 00:01:39.041 We could call that living life on your own terms. 00:01:39.041 --> 00:01:41.531 We could call that achieving a certain freedom. 00:01:41.891 --> 00:01:44.231 We could call that fulfillment. 00:01:44.591 --> 00:01:46.731 We could call that, , living a Life. 00:01:46.811 --> 00:01:53.631 Of creativity and joy , but really what it comes down to is how 00:01:53.691 --> 00:01:57.651 is it possible to live a dream? 00:01:57.651 --> 00:02:00.741 To dream a dream, go after it and live it. 00:02:00.981 --> 00:02:03.861 Because so often we are told that this is not possible. 00:02:03.866 --> 00:02:08.881 The, the messages that we get, at school often from our parents, from the wider 00:02:08.881 --> 00:02:11.821 community are, no, you can't do that. 00:02:11.941 --> 00:02:13.951 You've got to go for security. 00:02:13.951 --> 00:02:14.371 You've got. 00:02:15.331 --> 00:02:18.611 Get a job, you've got to, immediately get on the property 00:02:18.616 --> 00:02:19.711 ladder as quickly as you can. 00:02:19.711 --> 00:02:20.911 You've got to be responsible. 00:02:20.911 --> 00:02:22.411 You've got to, you've got to, you've got to. 00:02:23.191 --> 00:02:27.241 And really the underlying message of that for so many of us growing up 00:02:27.271 --> 00:02:29.551 is you're not allowed to have fun. 00:02:29.941 --> 00:02:33.601 Fun is counterproductive to, success. 00:02:34.211 --> 00:02:36.761 even though people who are successful seem to have quite a lot of fun. 00:02:37.221 --> 00:02:37.641 and I remember. 00:02:38.451 --> 00:02:40.701 You know, noticing that when I was quite young and thinking, 00:02:40.881 --> 00:02:42.351 well, how does that correlate? 00:02:42.741 --> 00:02:43.881 Well, we're not here to have fun. 00:02:43.881 --> 00:02:44.541 We're here to work. 00:02:44.541 --> 00:02:46.221 Well, why can't work be fun? 00:02:46.491 --> 00:02:47.601 Well, you're not here to have fun. 00:02:47.601 --> 00:02:48.381 You're here to learn. 00:02:48.891 --> 00:02:51.171 Well, why can't learning be fun? 00:02:51.501 --> 00:02:52.761 Why can't it be joyful? 00:02:53.661 --> 00:02:55.281 I never really bought it. 00:02:55.371 --> 00:02:59.541 I never really bought the line that you had to suffer 00:02:59.631 --> 00:03:01.581 somehow in order to be worthy. 00:03:01.791 --> 00:03:05.451 And I never quite bought the line that you had to have a bad. 00:03:06.621 --> 00:03:09.021 In order to effectively have a good time. 00:03:09.531 --> 00:03:11.511 So where was the missing link? 00:03:11.511 --> 00:03:15.141 And it's, it's, it's something that has gone through my whole life. 00:03:15.141 --> 00:03:17.961 So let me talk a little bit about my own story, Rupert. 00:03:18.111 --> 00:03:23.301 so I've spent my life really, making my living, doing things that everyone 00:03:23.306 --> 00:03:24.921 told me you can't make a living at. 00:03:25.701 --> 00:03:31.831 It started really early, with my interest in writing stories and drawing 00:03:31.831 --> 00:03:33.961 pictures and that sort of thing. 00:03:33.961 --> 00:03:35.251 And people said, well, that's a waste of time. 00:03:35.256 --> 00:03:36.361 You should be doing more maths. 00:03:36.361 --> 00:03:37.981 You should be doing more science. 00:03:37.986 --> 00:03:39.721 And I was like, well, I'm not really good at those. 00:03:39.726 --> 00:03:39.871 And. 00:03:40.341 --> 00:03:43.791 Um, it's not that I don't find them interesting, but when I'm in those classes 00:03:43.791 --> 00:03:47.961 at school, my teachers, humiliate me and make me feel really stupid. 00:03:48.181 --> 00:03:50.791 so I find it rather difficult to learn under those circumstances. 00:03:50.791 --> 00:03:54.661 So naturally I gravitate towards the things that I find not only 00:03:54.661 --> 00:03:56.491 easier, but that give me joy. 00:03:56.911 --> 00:03:59.881 And what happened was I ended up becoming a writer. 00:04:00.421 --> 00:04:02.941 Now people said, oh, well you can't make a living at writing. 00:04:02.941 --> 00:04:06.731 And I remember, Hearing that, um, as a sort of a teenager and thinking, well, 00:04:06.731 --> 00:04:10.301 but you go into a bookstore and there are thousands of books in there that are 00:04:10.301 --> 00:04:14.051 being published by companies that have been around for some of them for over a 00:04:14.051 --> 00:04:18.281 hundred years, who've obviously made quite a lot of money publishing these books. 00:04:18.281 --> 00:04:21.461 And some of these writers must obviously be making their living doing it. 00:04:21.611 --> 00:04:22.941 Or how would they possibly. 00:04:23.576 --> 00:04:24.626 Be able to spend the time. 00:04:24.626 --> 00:04:25.706 It's very time consuming. 00:04:25.976 --> 00:04:27.416 Writing books, writing these books. 00:04:27.596 --> 00:04:30.686 So I remember thinking, I think I could probably do that. 00:04:31.316 --> 00:04:35.246 And then also in my childhood and early teens, I was always horse mad. 00:04:35.246 --> 00:04:36.086 Horse obsessed. 00:04:36.236 --> 00:04:36.836 Horse driven. 00:04:36.836 --> 00:04:38.576 When as a three year old, I was always. 00:04:38.731 --> 00:04:43.111 Being found in my aunt's farm, sitting out in the field with her old 00:04:43.111 --> 00:04:45.151 retired horses, just talking to them. 00:04:45.151 --> 00:04:48.961 And it was very, very clear that I was gonna have a life around horses. 00:04:49.171 --> 00:04:51.511 And I remember my own parents saying to me, well Ru, you know, 00:04:51.511 --> 00:04:52.831 that's just an expensive hobby. 00:04:53.071 --> 00:04:54.541 You can't, you can't do that. 00:04:54.781 --> 00:04:58.951 And I remember thinking, yeah, but there seems to be this thing 00:04:58.951 --> 00:05:00.291 called the bloodstock industry. 00:05:00.296 --> 00:05:02.101 There seems to be this thing called the horse in. 00:05:03.146 --> 00:05:06.686 And people seem to buy and sell horses and people seem to get paid 00:05:06.686 --> 00:05:11.916 to be professional riders and people seem to get paid to breed horses and. 00:05:12.696 --> 00:05:14.016 where is the disconnect? 00:05:14.046 --> 00:05:18.756 Why can't I develop a skillset where I could maybe make my living 00:05:18.756 --> 00:05:20.496 doing this as well as other things? 00:05:20.856 --> 00:05:23.226 And of course, that's end ended up, you know, what happened. 00:05:23.646 --> 00:05:28.046 and then, when I was very young too, sort of 16, 17, I got really 00:05:28.051 --> 00:05:29.196 rather heavily into playing. 00:05:29.441 --> 00:05:33.021 Fantasy role-playing games, Dungeons and Dragons, that sort of thing. 00:05:33.381 --> 00:05:36.181 And, smoking too much of things I shouldn't smoke and listening to 00:05:36.181 --> 00:05:39.841 too much heavy metal and doing it partly cuz I was a bit depressed. 00:05:39.841 --> 00:05:42.421 And partly cuz it was fun and, and escapism. 00:05:43.051 --> 00:05:45.091 And again, people saying, well this is a waste of time. 00:05:45.091 --> 00:05:47.491 You, you, you can't make a living doing this is just, you know, this 00:05:47.496 --> 00:05:51.061 is just not, you know, something which is gonna be productive for you. 00:05:51.661 --> 00:05:55.021 And I remember looking at these Dungeons and Dragons books and these 00:05:55.026 --> 00:05:58.201 Dungeons and Dragons figurines and saying, well, someone's getting paid. 00:05:58.921 --> 00:06:01.681 Because someone is publishing these books, someone is selling these games, 00:06:01.831 --> 00:06:03.511 someone is creating these figurines. 00:06:04.081 --> 00:06:04.981 Why not me? 00:06:05.581 --> 00:06:09.001 And of course, as we all know, um, the gaming industry since 00:06:09.006 --> 00:06:11.881 then in the last couple of decades has taken off exponentially. 00:06:12.091 --> 00:06:14.701 It's now worth much, much more than any other sector of 00:06:14.701 --> 00:06:15.901 the entertainment industry. 00:06:16.201 --> 00:06:20.276 And, I ended up, , getting together with a group of people and putting 00:06:20.276 --> 00:06:25.196 together a TV show called The Quest, which is exactly about gamers and, 00:06:25.296 --> 00:06:27.006 putting people into a fantasy world. 00:06:27.396 --> 00:06:29.916 teamed up with the people who made Lord of the Rings and that sort of thing. 00:06:30.456 --> 00:06:34.896 Now, how did I become a professional writer? 00:06:35.276 --> 00:06:37.386 I ended up writing a couple of bestsellers. 00:06:37.536 --> 00:06:39.966 How did I end up becoming a professional horse trainer? 00:06:40.206 --> 00:06:41.766 I travel all over the world doing that. 00:06:41.766 --> 00:06:43.296 Now, how did I end up? 00:06:44.361 --> 00:06:46.821 producing media, including this gaming stuff? 00:06:47.541 --> 00:06:52.371 Well, I simply did it because I felt I didn't really have any other choice. 00:06:52.791 --> 00:06:57.951 I was so compelled by these interests that I had, these passions, if you 00:06:57.951 --> 00:07:00.411 like, that I had that I couldn't really. 00:07:01.866 --> 00:07:03.246 Think about doing much else. 00:07:03.246 --> 00:07:07.056 But in order to establish myself, while I was trying to figure out 00:07:07.266 --> 00:07:10.626 the professional tracks of this, I did every Jo job under the sun. 00:07:10.626 --> 00:07:13.086 You know, I have done every construction site. 00:07:13.091 --> 00:07:14.196 I have been a window cleaner. 00:07:14.196 --> 00:07:15.606 I have been an industrial cleaner. 00:07:15.846 --> 00:07:18.366 I have clean toilets, I have shoveled snow. 00:07:18.696 --> 00:07:21.666 I have, I have, I have, I have every menial job you can think of. 00:07:21.666 --> 00:07:23.016 And I did this for some years. 00:07:23.406 --> 00:07:28.286 And so what is true is that when you want to live free and ride free, , the 00:07:28.286 --> 00:07:34.086 early years of this can be, quite uncertain and not everybody can deal 00:07:34.116 --> 00:07:36.546 with that uncertainty and that anxiety. 00:07:36.756 --> 00:07:41.826 Without mentorship, I didn't really have much mentorship, but I, what I 00:07:41.831 --> 00:07:46.956 did have was a family where there was somewhat of a tradition of freelancers. 00:07:47.771 --> 00:07:52.471 And, so it wasn't completely outside the box, even though my parents were 00:07:52.471 --> 00:07:54.421 skeptical about the horse side of things. 00:07:54.421 --> 00:07:57.961 And certainly ske skeptical about the gaming and heavy metal side of things. 00:07:58.111 --> 00:08:01.321 By the way, I do have a heavy metal band and hopefully we will be 00:08:01.326 --> 00:08:04.111 producing an album for next year, which I'll turn you guys onto. 00:08:04.621 --> 00:08:08.461 but the writing, at the very least, they, they, they could see that that could 00:08:08.461 --> 00:08:11.221 work if one really put one's mind to it. 00:08:12.931 --> 00:08:17.221 So I didn't have much mentorship. 00:08:17.611 --> 00:08:19.891 I had a bit of a precedent to follow. 00:08:20.431 --> 00:08:24.841 What do you do if you're coming out of a situation where everyone is giving you 00:08:25.291 --> 00:08:29.401 negative feedback, but there's this little niggling part of you that says, yeah, but 00:08:29.406 --> 00:08:30.691 I kind of want to live free, ride free. 00:08:30.691 --> 00:08:31.261 How do I do that? 00:08:31.411 --> 00:08:33.751 So that's really the point of this podcast. 00:08:34.801 --> 00:08:36.451 We are gonna talk to mentors. 00:08:36.631 --> 00:08:40.441 We are gonna talk to really interesting people who've done it, who've made it, 00:08:40.651 --> 00:08:45.151 who've bootstrapped it, who've come up from wherever they've come up from, and 00:08:45.156 --> 00:08:49.381 have done extraordinary things that people said they sort of couldn't do. 00:08:49.721 --> 00:08:52.481 In this first season, I've got the amazing Sir Tim. 00:08:53.681 --> 00:08:57.581 Who is the head of the Eden Project in England? 00:08:57.821 --> 00:09:03.881 Absolutely amazing man who was actually a musician and then a music producer. 00:09:04.221 --> 00:09:08.326 and then sort of fell outta the industry and ended up in Cornwall 00:09:08.566 --> 00:09:12.346 with his family, wondering a bit what to do, and discovered these gardens 00:09:12.346 --> 00:09:17.216 behind a wall and turned them into the lost gardens of Halligan, which is. 00:09:18.006 --> 00:09:19.536 I think it's the third or fourth. 00:09:19.816 --> 00:09:24.616 , most visited tourist attraction in the uk and then he started the Eden Project, 00:09:24.666 --> 00:09:27.986 which is rainforests under roofs, a massively successful 00:09:27.986 --> 00:09:29.066 billion dollar project. 00:09:29.316 --> 00:09:33.126 and he's now doing these, environmental education Eden Centers. 00:09:33.686 --> 00:09:35.156 Internationally, all over the world. 00:09:35.236 --> 00:09:36.556 Absolutely incredible, man. 00:09:36.556 --> 00:09:37.816 How did he achieve it? 00:09:38.026 --> 00:09:42.526 How did he go from wondering what to do with his family in Cornwall to that? 00:09:42.531 --> 00:09:45.726 Well, he's gonna tell us, , what did he say with all the naysayers? 00:09:45.726 --> 00:09:47.466 Well, he's gonna tell us how did he find the money? 00:09:47.496 --> 00:09:50.316 He's gonna tell us how did he find the drive and the energy and 00:09:50.316 --> 00:09:53.676 the, and the mastermind community that he had to pull together. 00:09:53.676 --> 00:09:55.086 And where did he find mentorship? 00:09:55.176 --> 00:09:56.496 He's gonna tell us. 00:09:57.466 --> 00:10:01.366 We've also got the amazing Tony Lyons, a guy you've never heard of, 00:10:01.366 --> 00:10:02.896 but you might have seen his books. 00:10:03.146 --> 00:10:07.736 he is a publisher in New York and he has Skyhorse Publishing and he's one of 00:10:07.736 --> 00:10:11.546 these guys who will publish all the stuff that other people just will not publish. 00:10:11.806 --> 00:10:15.226 , all the super controversial stuff, all the stuff that can really, 00:10:15.276 --> 00:10:16.291 sometimes get you in trouble. 00:10:16.291 --> 00:10:20.521 I stayed at his house once and picked up the fact that the FBI were actually 00:10:20.671 --> 00:10:22.451 monitoring, , the internet there. 00:10:23.241 --> 00:10:24.501 Very, very brave man. 00:10:24.531 --> 00:10:25.671 Very, very cool man. 00:10:25.971 --> 00:10:26.661 Has made. 00:10:27.176 --> 00:10:30.876 An absolute success of this, bringing, if you like, truth to the masses. 00:10:31.056 --> 00:10:36.456 How did he go from a guy in New York working on Alaskan fishing boats, trying 00:10:36.456 --> 00:10:41.046 to make some money to running this incredible publishing house that does 00:10:41.046 --> 00:10:44.566 the cutting edge, or the conspiracy theory stuff, but really looking at 00:10:44.571 --> 00:10:47.026 where the truths of it are and where the smoke and mirrors of it are. 00:10:47.356 --> 00:10:51.921 all of the, really interesting stuff, that, some of us maybe don't want to look. 00:10:52.806 --> 00:10:56.526 But are always fascinated by even down to things like coloring books 00:10:56.556 --> 00:10:58.086 and anything, anything that will work. 00:10:58.146 --> 00:10:59.076 How did he do it? 00:10:59.376 --> 00:11:01.356 How, how do you become that sort of an entrepreneur? 00:11:01.356 --> 00:11:04.696 Well, he's gonna tell us, I've got the incredible Warwick Shiller. 00:11:05.241 --> 00:11:07.911 Warwick Schill is a horse trainer, but he's much more than that. 00:11:07.911 --> 00:11:12.741 He runs an incredibly successful podcast and online, video library, that has 00:11:12.741 --> 00:11:16.971 made him so independent that he's now on a mission to explore another of his 00:11:16.976 --> 00:11:21.071 passions, which is shamanic healing, and self transformation around in these 00:11:21.341 --> 00:11:25.571 different places around the world, the rainforests, the deserts, and so on. 00:11:26.351 --> 00:11:28.061 He lives this incredible life. 00:11:29.141 --> 00:11:31.851 He started, , just with horses in a round pen. 00:11:32.071 --> 00:11:35.031 , in fact, before that in our sheep farm in, in Australia. 00:11:35.031 --> 00:11:38.061 How did he get from there to here? 00:11:38.211 --> 00:11:41.091 How does anybody get from there to here? 00:11:41.991 --> 00:11:46.911 It's a process and it's a process of dreaming first small dreams that 00:11:46.911 --> 00:11:48.441 become bigger and bigger and bigger. 00:11:48.441 --> 00:11:51.141 And one bridge, one dream bridges to another. 00:11:52.461 --> 00:11:55.551 and he now mentors people, Warwick in how to do this. 00:11:55.791 --> 00:11:57.981 Jane Pike, the incredible Jane Pike from New. 00:11:59.331 --> 00:12:03.501 another horse, woman, but who has moved into the realm of, 00:12:03.581 --> 00:12:06.521 understanding the nervous system and its effect on the brain. 00:12:06.831 --> 00:12:11.741 and has taken that type of, neuroscience out to the masses, in a way that 00:12:11.741 --> 00:12:13.451 is really quite unprecedented. 00:12:13.761 --> 00:12:14.691 , how did she do that? 00:12:15.311 --> 00:12:18.731 She was sitting, in a, on a farm in New Zealand, wondering 00:12:18.731 --> 00:12:21.771 what to do during covid, during lockdown, , with her children. 00:12:21.801 --> 00:12:23.211 And, but she'd always had this interest. 00:12:23.211 --> 00:12:24.891 She starts writing about it on the internet. 00:12:25.191 --> 00:12:29.881 And then from there she begins to podcast and she begins to, broadcast stuff. 00:12:29.886 --> 00:12:33.571 And little by little it grows until it becomes this sort of engine. 00:12:33.571 --> 00:12:35.011 How did she do it? 00:12:35.281 --> 00:12:38.431 She's gonna tell us Megan Beasley, Dr. 00:12:38.431 --> 00:12:40.161 Megan Beasley Anthrop. 00:12:40.661 --> 00:12:45.971 Gone Rogue who worked with the Bushman of the Kalahari, the COIs son, people known 00:12:45.971 --> 00:12:50.221 for their healing hunter gatherers, has helped them, get their land back after 00:12:50.221 --> 00:12:54.031 mass evictions and, and illegal, all sorts of horrible, illegal stuff out there. 00:12:54.211 --> 00:12:58.591 She started as an academic, , went and lived with these people and then. 00:12:59.101 --> 00:13:04.821 Has parlayed that over 30 years into, one of the most, successful, sort of 00:13:04.821 --> 00:13:10.021 community benefit organizations called the Kalahari Peoples Fund, that it currently 00:13:10.021 --> 00:13:12.451 exists, between Africa and the usa. 00:13:12.451 --> 00:13:14.851 Very, very humble lady, but she, she took a dream. 00:13:15.931 --> 00:13:20.191 Of these people that she sort of fell in love with and has turned it into a success 00:13:20.191 --> 00:13:24.031 for herself and for them that has actually sort of gotten them their land back. 00:13:24.031 --> 00:13:25.441 And how did she do it? 00:13:25.441 --> 00:13:31.681 How did she get from there to here, and what steps can you take? 00:13:32.371 --> 00:13:32.881 So. 00:13:33.481 --> 00:13:38.371 What I don't want to do is denigrate the idea of getting a job for security. 00:13:38.371 --> 00:13:39.991 There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. 00:13:40.381 --> 00:13:44.261 When I was, piecing it together myself to become a writer or a horse 00:13:44.266 --> 00:13:50.031 trainer or, producing other types of media, the jobs that I did gave me the 00:13:50.031 --> 00:13:53.601 money to build what I wanted to build. 00:13:54.091 --> 00:13:55.291 and then I would risk. 00:13:55.696 --> 00:13:59.476 certain amounts of money to go off and do expeditions, which I would then try and 00:13:59.476 --> 00:14:01.306 sell to magazines and newspapers and that. 00:14:01.306 --> 00:14:04.096 So sometimes I was successful and sometimes I was not. 00:14:04.486 --> 00:14:08.776 but the, the overall, momentum eventually. 00:14:09.501 --> 00:14:11.871 Took over after a certain number of years. 00:14:12.081 --> 00:14:15.751 So there's nothing wrong with saying, well, you know, I want to, have a 00:14:15.751 --> 00:14:19.381 job so that at the weekends or in holidays I can pursue my interests. 00:14:19.651 --> 00:14:21.091 That's perfectly good. 00:14:21.331 --> 00:14:27.721 What is tricky is if one says, I'm gonna work for 30 years and only when I retire. 00:14:28.116 --> 00:14:33.006 Am I then going to allow myself, to follow my passions and my interests? 00:14:33.006 --> 00:14:36.336 The problem with that is it kills the soul as we know, and 00:14:36.341 --> 00:14:37.566 we don't have to put it off. 00:14:37.566 --> 00:14:38.526 You might die tomorrow. 00:14:38.766 --> 00:14:40.506 You don't have to wait for that. 00:14:40.716 --> 00:14:43.386 You can, we can all live free, ride free. 00:14:43.506 --> 00:14:44.076 Now. 00:14:44.676 --> 00:14:46.716 Some people also say, ah, it's too late for me. 00:14:46.776 --> 00:14:49.056 You know, I'm in my fifties, I'm in my sixties, whatever. 00:14:49.056 --> 00:14:50.016 Well, I'm in my fifties. 00:14:50.446 --> 00:14:51.826 it's never too late. 00:14:51.886 --> 00:14:53.446 It's never, never too late. 00:14:53.446 --> 00:14:54.136 If you are breath. 00:14:54.821 --> 00:14:55.811 It's not too late. 00:14:56.321 --> 00:15:00.971 And, some of the people which we're gonna be interviewing here were late starters. 00:15:01.251 --> 00:15:05.211 people only really got going in their forties, fifties, and sixties after, 00:15:05.691 --> 00:15:07.791 if not drifting for some decades. 00:15:07.791 --> 00:15:09.951 Certainly not really finding fulfillment. 00:15:10.161 --> 00:15:15.501 a really good, , example, I think of somebody who, did what you might 00:15:15.501 --> 00:15:19.871 call a Joe job or a job that he didn't find at any, at any rate, fulfill. 00:15:20.531 --> 00:15:25.451 But ended up parlay that into massive success, was the author Charles Bukovsky. 00:15:25.691 --> 00:15:26.771 , some of you may know him. 00:15:27.041 --> 00:15:30.371 Very controversial writer from the sixties and seventies, but real 00:15:30.371 --> 00:15:34.691 genius, well, he worked in the postal service for decades and decades, 00:15:35.031 --> 00:15:37.011 , before his writing ever got going. 00:15:37.161 --> 00:15:40.611 And he course he used that and he used the frustration of that to some 00:15:40.611 --> 00:15:45.091 degree, , in his writing, , and created some very powerful, very funny things. 00:15:45.091 --> 00:15:45.901 But now he's a household. 00:15:46.686 --> 00:15:51.216 So it's not that you have to completely buck the system. 00:15:51.726 --> 00:15:53.526 It's not that you have to not have a job. 00:15:53.916 --> 00:15:58.556 It's not that you have to, , not put some sec, you know, emphasis 00:15:58.561 --> 00:15:59.896 on security and that sort of thing. 00:16:00.676 --> 00:16:06.076 But what you don't want to do is say, well, I can't follow the dreams. 00:16:06.256 --> 00:16:10.366 I can put off fulfillment because I haven't got the time, I haven't 00:16:10.366 --> 00:16:12.736 got the wherewithal clearly. 00:16:13.481 --> 00:16:18.161 There is a way to bridge from one to the other, and that's what the people here on 00:16:18.341 --> 00:16:20.681 Livery Ride Free are going to teach us. 00:16:21.521 --> 00:16:22.961 Alright, so how are we gonna do it? 00:16:23.201 --> 00:16:25.481 Well, we're going to do it in two stages. 00:16:25.481 --> 00:16:29.591 So each person's gonna come on and we're gonna interview them and have their story. 00:16:29.621 --> 00:16:30.971 How did they get there from here? 00:16:31.391 --> 00:16:32.891 But then we're gonna have them back. 00:16:32.921 --> 00:16:35.171 And you guys, you, the listeners can ask. 00:16:35.711 --> 00:16:36.641 Your questions. 00:16:36.731 --> 00:16:40.151 Some of that's gonna be live, and some of that's going to be you emailing 00:16:40.151 --> 00:16:45.161 them in and we will have them answer your questions so that we can get 00:16:45.166 --> 00:16:49.361 mentorship going so that those of us who want to benefit from the wisdom of 00:16:49.366 --> 00:16:53.771 a Tim Smith, a Warwick Schiller, a Tony Lyons, a Jane Pike, a Meghan Beasley, 00:16:54.131 --> 00:16:56.521 we can actually tap into them directly. 00:16:56.521 --> 00:17:00.571 So it's gonna be a two staged, process inspired. 00:17:01.551 --> 00:17:05.511 Leads to inspired action leads to an inspired life. 00:17:06.561 --> 00:17:08.571 Thoughts become habits. 00:17:09.291 --> 00:17:11.361 Habits become destiny. 00:17:11.901 --> 00:17:13.341 Thoughts become things. 00:17:13.551 --> 00:17:15.681 So we want to think good thoughts. 00:17:16.491 --> 00:17:19.221 So join us on the Adventure to Live free. 00:17:19.221 --> 00:17:19.701 Ride free. 00:17:19.881 --> 00:17:25.591 Look us up on, my websites too, ntls.co, which is our neuroscience, 00:17:25.691 --> 00:17:27.806 and, autism, work that we do. 00:17:28.046 --> 00:17:32.706 And long ride home.com, which is our shamanism, personal 00:17:32.706 --> 00:17:34.596 development and horse training, 00:17:34.696 --> 00:17:38.636 Rupert Isaacson: Also, check out our other podcast, equine Assisted World, which 00:17:38.636 --> 00:17:43.436 looks into this fascinating universe of how people use horses to heal. 00:17:43.441 --> 00:17:47.766 Basically, whether it's physical, neuropsychiatric, emotional, you 00:17:47.766 --> 00:17:50.796 name it, there's this incredible world out there that's developing all 00:17:50.796 --> 00:17:52.716 the time and we are looking at it. 00:17:52.716 --> 00:17:53.646 So give it a shot. 00:17:55.153 --> 00:17:56.263 Thank you for joining us. 00:17:56.293 --> 00:17:58.123 We hope you enjoyed today's podcast. 00:17:58.362 --> 00:18:03.402 Join our website, new trails learning.com, to check out our online 00:18:03.402 --> 00:18:08.592 courses and live workshops in Horse Boy Method, movement Method, and Athena. 00:18:09.299 --> 00:18:13.948 These evidence-based programs have helped children, veterans, and people 00:18:13.948 --> 00:18:15.958 dealing with trauma around the world. 00:18:16.285 --> 00:18:20.035 We also offer a horse training program and self-care program 00:18:20.035 --> 00:18:23.275 for riders on long ride home.com. 00:18:23.573 --> 00:18:27.623 These include easy to do online courses and tutorials that 00:18:27.623 --> 00:18:29.543 bring you and your horse joy. 00:18:30.080 --> 00:18:34.640 For an overview of all shows and programs, go to rupert isaacson.com. 00:18:34.970 --> 00:18:35.900 See you on the next show. 00:18:36.313 --> 00:18:39.003 And please remember to press, subscribe and share.