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Travis Bader: I'm Travis Bader,
and this is the Silvercore podcast.

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Silvercore has been providing its
members with the skills and knowledge

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ca.

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You may have seen her as a
host of HGTV's Save My Reno.

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She's an award winning illustrator.

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A designer who left the comfort
and security of the corporate world

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to embark on an adventure closer
to nature, closer to her heart.

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Now she helps others overcome their
challenges to live their best lives.

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Welcome to the Silvercore
podcast, the equally creative

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and courageous Sabrina Smelko.

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Sabrina Smelko: Hey,
that's a very nice intro.

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Thank you very much for having me.

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Travis Bader: Absolutely.

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You can tell I worked on that one, right?

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Sabrina Smelko: Just a little
bit, maybe me sending you my

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websites yesterday sporadically,
like here's how to introduce me.

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Travis Bader: You know, you've got
a pretty interesting life and you're

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doing things in a, uh, in a way
that's extremely unique to yourself.

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Uh, you've helped out a lot with the
Silver Core Outdoors brand and our,

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on our messaging and what we do.

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And I thought there's.

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A lot of value to others who are probably
in the same position as yourself,

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working their way through life, trying
to find what's going to bring them

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fulfillment, trying to find what that
definition of success is for them.

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And you've done some pretty
cool things with your life.

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Like you've traveled around the
world, giving talks to others.

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You help people bring their brands
up from zero to a thousand and more.

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And.

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You do that with some formal training
and a lot of chutzpah as well.

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So maybe we can just kind of rewind
a little bit because there are

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some value points that I'd love
to get through to the audience.

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But I want to know about you, like,
how is it that you found yourself in

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the high flying world of being in the
public eye and sharing everything about

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your life, uh, to where you are now?

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Sabrina Smelko: Yeah, that's been
an interesting journey because I

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think anyone from the outside looking
at my career trajectory, whatever

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you want to call it, you'd think
I did it a little bit backwards.

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I'm in my thirties now, but I
had a television show in my mid

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twenties that I left and quit.

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to now pursue my own business.

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And I feel like I'm back right where
I was when I first graduated, but with

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a whole other framework and mentality
and mindset for how I approach my work.

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So when I first began, I mean,
just to kind of give you a

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little backstory of who I am.

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I mean, I graduated in 2012 with
my bachelor's of applied arts.

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I went to art school, so four
years of color theory and life.

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Drawing and learning textiles and pattern
making, animation, website design,

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coding, all of that kind of stuff.

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Yeah.

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And I was always very much on the
fringe of wanting to just do everything.

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I think a lot of people in my program
were quite traditional illustrators.

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They knew they wanted to be children's
book artists or just do spot illustrations

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for the New York Times forever.

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And I was like, yeah, I
want to do all of that.

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But I also want to code sites and make
a fashion line and have my own brands.

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And I, I was just constantly doing stuff.

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Even from a young age, I would like
invent a jewelry company just because

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it like came into my mind that day.

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And at night I'd run into my
parents bedroom being like,

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how do I start a pet motel?

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How do people know how to find me?

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Like, how does a phone book work?

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I was just really curious about,
I wanted to run businesses.

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I wanted to do things
and make things real.

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And I think.

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When I graduated, I realized when I
went into advertising, as opposed to

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illustration, it's because I've, I've
always been about ideas and brands, but

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I didn't know what that was back then.

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Branding wasn't even really a
word like branding yourself as an

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individual or as an influencer or.

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Launching your own business
was not super common.

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There's the big brands that were marketed
to you in the magazines and then you as a

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freelancer or a little independent artist.

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And I didn't really know that
there was a place for helping

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people be their own brand.

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And so in the process of me just
learning and experimenting and I quit

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advertising because the whole 9 to 5
wasn't working for me and freelance

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doing all kinds of creative stuff.

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And I think by just doing so many
offshoots, I developed my own brand

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without really realizing it, of just
being a curious kind of girl who was

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really into art, really into design.

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And then as I grew up on social media,
when Instagram came out in 2012, I

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was one of the first adopters, shared
my life, shared my home renovations.

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I bought my first home quite
young, shared that whole process.

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And so I was just making things and
I was kind of being a creator or an

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influencer without really knowing
it, but I didn't really know myself.

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And so when I got this television show
at 25 years old, I was right in the

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midst of figuring out who I was and
experimenting, doing all these things,

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but not really being an expert in any one.

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And then I got this television
show, which landed me as.

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A television designer.

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And now

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Travis Bader: you're the expert, right?

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In everyone's eyes, you're the expert.

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Sabrina Smelko: Exactly.

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And I found that extremely uncomfortable.

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Did

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Travis Bader: you feel like an expert
when you were up there or did you

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Sabrina Smelko: feel
like you're faking it?

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I felt like such a fraud and the biggest
thing that bugged me about it was exactly

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the fact that there was other people
creating and contributing to the show

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and it's not shown that way, right?

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I'm kind of the end all be all
designer, but that wasn't the truth.

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The truth is we have interior
designers on almost every single

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television show you've seen.

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And...

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I wanted to just be more authentic
about that process and how that

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works, but in all of my experimenting
and doing all these things, I feel

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like that's what got me the show.

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And then once I had the show,
it, the show snuffed out all of

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that experimentation I was doing.

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And I just really felt unfulfilled.

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I felt like everything.

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stopped.

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I was offshooting doing a million
things and then out of nowhere it

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was just, you have no more time,
all of it's taken up doing this

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show, you'll be compensated for it.

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Obviously the money is the benefit
to the time that they take from

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you, but I learned the hard way
that my time was more valuable.

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Money meant nothing to me when My days
felt like I was trapped in someone else's

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narrative of what I was and who I was,
and the emails and the friends and the,

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the connections that I made out of that
didn't feel authentic to me because people

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would contact me to say, Hey, I have
ten grand, can you renovate my house?

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The premise of the show was
saving money and getting the

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homeowners involved in the reno.

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So I was just like a cheap
renovation design expert and A,

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I'm not an interior designer.

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I love it.

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I think you can call yourself
an interior designer without

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going to school and all of that.

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But it was something I dabbled
in and I never wanted to

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call myself an expert in it.

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And here I found myself kind of
pigeonholed at a young age and

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people looking at me across the world
thinking of me as this interior design.

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Expert who can take your 10 grand and make
it look like a hundred thousand dollars.

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And it just felt very

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uncomfortable.

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Travis Bader: Well, you had a few seasons
and you're green lit for another season.

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And you said, no, and you walked away.

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What brought you to that precipice?

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What brought you to that self
realization at a young age?

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That money wasn't the
motivating factor for you.

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And it was something else.

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Sabrina Smelko: It was time off
the first time off I had ever had

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in my, honestly, my whole life.

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I grew up doing karate,
dance, plays, acting, singing,

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everything that you can imagine.

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And I love it.

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I still, to this day, love performing, but
it was the first time in my life between

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seasons where I had four months off with
nothing to do essentially, because before,

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if I had four months off as a freelancer.

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Well, I'm drumming up business, I'm
redoing my website, I'm inventing

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projects, if none are actually
coming to me that are paid projects,

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I'm making up my own things.

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And it was the first time in my
life where I didn't need the money

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or the recognition or I didn't
need to work in that four months.

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I was literally off.

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It was the first time in my adult life
that I sat down with myself and looked

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at my life and I owned a home in the GTA.

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I had a successful television show.

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I was engaged to be married.

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And I was.

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extremely unhappy.

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I was so unfulfilled in my work.

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I felt unfulfilled in my personal life.

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I wasn't happy with who I was with.

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And it was the first time that I
was confronted with all of that.

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And it just slapped me all in the face
and I couldn't distract myself with work.

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I couldn't distract myself driving
to set or being in traffic or

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blaming it on something else.

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I had nothing to blame my
unhappiness on because everything

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had been provided for me.

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I have a roof over my head.

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I have everything on paper that
I could want and I'm miserable.

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And at the same token, I also was dealing
with health issues, which I totally

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now believe are related my unhappiness
and getting a diagnosis of a thyroid

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autoimmune condition, which is the
center of your voice, which I don't find

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ironic at all that here I was not feeling
authentic or feeling like I had a voice,

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even though I had a platform and that's
where this health condition starts for me.

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Travis Bader: How old were
you when that happened?

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Sabrina Smelko: I was 25, 26.

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Travis Bader: So you're basically
having a midlife crisis at 25.

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Sabrina Smelko: Yes, that's
exactly what it felt like.

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And I didn't know who to turn to because
my life was built up and I had been with

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my partner for nine years at that point.

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So our, our families were intertwined.

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Our lives were intertwined.

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I didn't feel safe.

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Even saying out loud that I wasn't happy
because I felt like everyone, even in,

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in my personal life would look at me
and go, what are you talking about?

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You have everything you could want.

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What more is

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Travis Bader: there?

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You have all the trappings of success
from an external vantage point.

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Everybody else looking in would
say, Hey, she's got it all.

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Isn't that funny?

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How many people will sit and
look at the other side of the

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fence and then say, man, if only.

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If only I had what they had, if only I
had this amount of money, if only I lived

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in this location, if only, if only, if
only just to realize that we're all going

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through the same stuff and that our own
personal quest for happiness, which is an

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oxymoron in itself, people searching for
that level of happiness would presuppose

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you're already unhappy and happiness is
not something that you can really find,

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but it's, I guess for me, anyways, it's
a state of mind that you have to accept.

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The process, the building, the creating,
that's, that's what happiness is for me.

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What is it for you?

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Sabrina Smelko: For me, it's a feeling
that's the, that's the first and only

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word that honestly comes to mind,
because I think my whole life up until

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that moment, I had ignored how I felt.

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And it's a physical thing.

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You know how you feel.

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And I was always trying to control that.

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And I was never just letting my
feelings tell me the information

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they were trying to tell me.

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I was always trying to overcome them.

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And I think in part that had to do
a little bit with my upbringing.

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I was in karate for 10 years and
discipline was a huge part of karate

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and any kind of martial arts like that.

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And I...

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I feel like in many ways, obviously,
that did so much for me mentally to

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learn that I could persevere and I
can overcome things and I can have

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this kind of stoicism in my life.

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Mm.

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But I think, because I was so young
when I was learning all of that, and I

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was a young girl, and growing up with
Seventeen Magazine in that era, I kind

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of turned it a little bit more onto
myself, and made it more about physical

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control, and you have to look a certain
way, rather than feel a certain way.

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So for me now, happiness is feeling.

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It doesn't look like anything,
it's how I feel in the moment.

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That could look like me
sitting in my basement.

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Or it could look like being on top
of a beautiful balcony somewhere

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in a tropical environment.

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Right.

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It's, it's, it's really how you feel.

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It's not something that you can
quantify by any other thing than

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Travis Bader: feeling.

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So men and women will
approach this differently.

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Men will have, they call it
like gut feelings, right?

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Women will have women's intuition, how we
can kind of feel these different things.

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I mean, I don't think I'm speaking out
of pocket here to say that women are

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generally more in tune with their feelings
and emotions than perhaps a man might be.

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I know stoicism is a very hot topic
nowadays and, uh, I don't know much about

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stoicism, but it seems to be a lot of just
realizing, Hey, we're going to die, uh,

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reduce that ego, have a level of control.

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Uh, I don't think it delves
too much into feelings.

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Does it, do you know much about stoicism?

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I saw the books on your, uh,
on your bookshelf there, but

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Sabrina Smelko: I mean, just
not from necessarily reading,

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but just from life experience.

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Okay.

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For me, it's.

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And I, I have one tattoo and it's a little
white flag, my little surrender flag.

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Yes.

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Cause to me, that's,
that's what stoicism is.

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It's surrendering to what is.

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It's allowing, it's allowing life to
happen while, control is a funny word,

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but while maintaining the idea that
you have control over your energy,

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or at least where you spend it, who
you spend it on and with, and where

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you bring that, and I do find it.

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It very empowering to think of
the fact that life isn't just

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happening necessarily to you.

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I find it enjoyable and empowering to
think that everywhere that I go, I'm

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influencing the energy with my energy.

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And in that way, I can control my
outcome slightly while still being

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open to the ebb and flow of life.

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It's it's, I don't know if that's
the proper definition by any means.

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That's just how I interpret

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Travis Bader: it.

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So sort of like manifest destiny,
you'll create your destiny.

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Sort of a matrix approach of being
able to, uh, understand the systems and

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processes that work and you're essentially
creating your own surrounding around you.

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Is that something you would describe?

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Sabrina Smelko: I do believe that.

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Absolutely.

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I totally am one of those energy
people who, I think everything is

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energy and vibration and you can.

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shift it.

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I don't know how to explain it.

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I don't know how to get it
through minds of people who are

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very closed off to that idea.

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I have experienced what I feel like
are two different lives, perhaps

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three, but definitely in my youth.

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I was extremely depressed and I
don't know that I want to use the

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word suicidal by any means, but
I was very apathetic about life.

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I didn't care.

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And in that kind of a way you could
almost be like, well, there's a certain

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amount of surrender in that you're
just like, Oh, take me, whatever.

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If tomorrow I wither away, so be it.

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But now I embody a surrender
in a powerful sense.

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In a funny way, I think I'm almost
invincible like I might live forever

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And I think there's something to that
that when you think and believe that way

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You're not so privy to the, ah, so be it.

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What if a car hits me tomorrow?

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it gives you a little bit more of a
sense of you do have a purpose and

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Everything that's surrendering around you
It's almost this beautiful relationship

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where you're the only one giving energy
and you can almost see other people as

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not pawns in your life by any means.

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There's obviously so much importance to
relationship, but I do think that we are

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on a very individual journey and a lot of
it is energetic and very hard to explain.

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But all I know is I've come from two very
different, my, my youth mind and where I

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am now is a completely different brain.

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It feels

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Travis Bader: like.

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Do you have an example of any
time when that energy feeling

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really became self evident to you?

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Sabrina Smelko: Probably throughout that,
that summer that I was just referencing

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where I was off for the first time in
my life, feeling the shift of relief

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when you make a decision that's right
for you and that energetic 180 that

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happens just by making a decision.

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And so in that summer, one of the biggest
decisions I hadn't yet decided I wanted

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to move across the country and quit my
show and do all these more drastic things.

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For me, it was a lot closer to home.

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It was just in my
relationship at the time.

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I went through a breakup as, as you
know, all of these things came up.

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I naturally brought them to my partner
and the process of breaking up began.

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And that single decision, the energetic
shift of, I was in the same home, I'm

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in the same place, I still have the
same job, but how I felt from the hour

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before I had that conversation to a
minute later is such a shift that you,

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that's all that you can describe as life
is, is a feeling and this energy shift.

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And I

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Travis Bader: don't know.

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Do you find that?

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So.

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Maybe I'll tangent here and
I'll ask a couple of questions.

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I know we kind of discussed
in the past about ADHD.

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Is that something you've
ever been accused of having?

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Sabrina Smelko: By myself,
by my own accord, for sure.

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And maybe my parents.

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Travis Bader: So all these different
ideas, all these different places

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that you could be working towards,
um, uh, different businesses

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that you want to try and start.

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Each one of these will bring a
certain level of energy shift.

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It will bring a certain level of
excitement as you endeavor on it.

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But at some point I would imagine as you
start going down that route, it becomes

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mundane and it's time to shift again.

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As you talk about these energy shifts,
is there perhaps a bit of a high

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associated with that shakeup that
people might look at, look for, or is.

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When you find your right energy, have
you found that to sustain for you that

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you don't need to keep changing it?

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That's a

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Sabrina Smelko: very interesting
question for me personally.

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And I don't know, I'm not sure
if it's personal or not, but it's

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fun, has a lot to do with it.

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If I'm having fun in my work day and
my walk with my dog and my dinner with

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my partner, My energy shifts will be a
little bit more frequent and positive.

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I find if I'm, if I think about when I
was younger and I just didn't have any

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determination to do anything and just
kind of went through the day, there's

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no excitement, so your energy's just
constantly at this sort of like, if you

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think of like a frequency or us as, You
know, like an actual scale of sound,

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you know, I feel like we're supposed
to be like this constantly moving,

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growing, learning up and down balance.

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But I was just at such a flatline state.

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And I think a lot of
people who are in that.

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That trap of just not living according
to what makes them happy and caring too

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much about what others think perhaps,
and that was definitely my trap.

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I think that's, that
flatlines your energy.

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Your life force is just totally
flatlined when you're not happy

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and you're not having fun.

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And for me, Having fun, beauty,
happiness, those are the only

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things that bring me joy.

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And relate that to anything that can, for
food, for art, for the shows I'm watching.

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I feel like the goal to feeling vibrant
and living in a way that makes you

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happy and enjoying your job and enjoying
your partnership is It's having fun.

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I feel like that's the
point of life, honestly.

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If you're not having fun, and it
sounds so simple, if you're not

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having fun, what's the point?

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But it's deeper than that for me, where
I think that when you're in a fun energy

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state, your frequencies are going all
over the place and you get to tap into

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whatever else is at that frequency.

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And the other fun things that exist at
that high level, as opposed to being in

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that flatline state, you're only going to
access flatline people, flatline feelings.

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I do believe that when you get happier
and you increase your frequency,

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now you're going to interact
with people of that frequency.

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If you're super happy one day and
everything's, you know, buzzing and

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all of your ideas are good and you're
having fun, I think you're going

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to attract people at that frequency
and experiences at that frequency.

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And I, that's totally

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Travis Bader: my belief.

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You know, I saw a good friend of mine.

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And he.

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Another ADHD fellow, undiagnosed,
but he's got a way worse than I do.

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Like he'll be telling a story and
then he's running through our house,

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arms waving everywhere as he's
telling the story and looking behind

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him, like people are chasing him.

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It's like.

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I wonder if this is what I look
like sometimes, but I'm noticing

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it now anyways, he'll get into
different things and he'll go all in.

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I've seen them make millions.

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I've seen them lose millions.

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I've seen them use, use on the uptick
and figured out the formula for

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sustaining both his happiness and life
and success in business right now,

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but you know, he'd get into things.

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He'd get.

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Into radio and he'd collect radios.

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He's like, look at how cool this is.

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Right?

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All these old radios I'm rebuilding.

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And you take this crystal,
it's just a crystal, right?

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And these crystals resonate on a
frequency and you got to swap one

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crystal out for another crystal
in order to talk on a different

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frequency or receive on a frequency.

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And he says.

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Everything we do in life, we talk on a
frequency, we see on a frequency, we,

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everything is working in wavelengths.

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And so he, he was a big believer
in this from his, a more

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analytical scientific perspective.

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And then John Sinai gets, uh, he's
been on the podcast in the past.

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He's a South African individual.

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Um, I think it was in Dubai when I was
talking with them and he was saying

00:22:25.600 --> 00:22:29.530
similar to what you're saying, you
know, Um, how many, how many drug

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dealers and arsonists and, uh, criminals
do, you know, well, I don't, right.

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This is like, do you think that there's
none of them around you right now?

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Cause I'm willing to bet you go on a few
block radius and you're going to find.

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Some of these people probably in your life
or around you, but how come it is that you

00:22:46.715 --> 00:22:51.464
don't see them because you're working on a
different frequency and you're associating

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with people who are on your level.

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And if we understand this and we
don't like the frequency that we're

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on, and we don't like the level that
we're on a deep understanding of that

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would say to a person, logically.

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There's something I should
be able to do to change that.

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So I can maybe start hanging around
with people who are bringing in

00:23:12.530 --> 00:23:17.260
more positivity, who encouraged the
best in me, who are more productive

00:23:17.260 --> 00:23:24.320
and, uh, allowing me to be me and by
default, a higher level of happiness.

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But I think, I think a lot of
people have a fear of that change.

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They're resistant.

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They.

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Do what they do.

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Cause that's what they've always done.

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And they end up getting the
same thing over and over again.

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I get the sense.

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And in your intro, I mean.

00:23:42.104 --> 00:23:46.955
The equally creative and courageous
Sabrina Smelko that there's

00:23:47.044 --> 00:23:51.354
a level of courage associated
with making these changes.

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Cause I think so many people go through
life and they're like, I'm not happy.

00:23:55.245 --> 00:23:58.454
I can identify certain things in my
life that I think would be better,

00:23:58.454 --> 00:24:03.415
but I can definitely identify what
I, what I don't like, but man, if I

00:24:03.435 --> 00:24:06.564
made that change, there's this great
big question mark in front of me.

00:24:07.365 --> 00:24:08.305
Do you feel that?

00:24:08.355 --> 00:24:10.185
And if so, how do you deal with that?

00:24:11.855 --> 00:24:13.415
Sabrina Smelko: Yes, definitely feel that.

00:24:13.725 --> 00:24:18.474
And how I deal with it is I think
I'm a very positive person where

00:24:18.635 --> 00:24:25.185
I totally believe that that next
thing is a twofold a, it's going to

00:24:25.185 --> 00:24:30.715
be better, but be it because of me,
I think that by choosing something

00:24:30.715 --> 00:24:32.425
different and making that change.

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I don't believe in subscribing to like,
okay, I ended this relationship, I'm

00:24:36.965 --> 00:24:38.635
making this change, I'm just gonna wait.

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And I think a lot of people in
this space talk about, well, if

00:24:43.375 --> 00:24:45.024
it's for me, it'll just come to me.

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But I think you have to use your
energy to get the thing that you want.

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And so, even if it's just intention,
even if it's just mental thought and

00:24:52.815 --> 00:24:58.215
focus on that next thing, I just have
always had faith that so long as I know

00:24:58.215 --> 00:25:01.405
what I want and I'm constantly learning
what I want and learning myself, that

00:25:01.405 --> 00:25:02.735
next thing will always be better.

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That next thing will always be for
me because I'm evolving and I'm

00:25:06.165 --> 00:25:10.035
learning more and in my experience,
I'm happier now than I was.

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Five years ago, 10
years ago, 20 years ago.

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So I, I have trust.

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I think trust is huge in the game of life.

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If you don't trust yourself, if you don't
trust your life, if you don't trust that

00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.699
what's meant for you is happening and
that maybe even the challenges you're

00:25:26.700 --> 00:25:31.309
going through are meant to happen,
you're never going to get anything.

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Because I think you have to, trust
requires courage and it also requires

00:25:35.670 --> 00:25:39.440
this lack of fear where you just
blindly go at it because you trust

00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:40.340
that there's something better.

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So if you don't have trust, You're
never going to do anything courageous.

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Travis Bader: So somebody from a
religious background would say, uh,

00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:53.490
have a belief in the wise dispensation
of divine providence, right?

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Belief and there's an external thing
out there that I can, I can trust.

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Some of the things that you're
talking about, stoicism would

00:25:59.900 --> 00:26:04.140
also lay into, uh, Taoism, right?

00:26:04.150 --> 00:26:07.020
Into the idea of surrender and.

00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:10.510
I understand being in the
now or the way, right.

00:26:11.310 --> 00:26:13.310
Which I think is what
Dow means is the way.

00:26:13.820 --> 00:26:18.659
Um, but this trust has to
come from somewhere for you.

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Where does that trust come from?

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Is it something that you've built
over time and you look at repeatable

00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:28.330
actions and say, I can trust this
because I've seen it in the past.

00:26:28.330 --> 00:26:31.040
And if that's the case, how do you take
that next step that you haven't seen?

00:26:31.060 --> 00:26:32.939
Or does it come from
something else external?

00:26:34.510 --> 00:26:37.570
Sabrina Smelko: That's a great question
because I think the answer is kind of

00:26:37.570 --> 00:26:39.260
even surprising to me, which is that.

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I learned that I couldn't trust anyone
else is the best answer I can give.

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My, I was a very good girl my whole
life and in quotations, good girl.

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I did everything everyone told me to.

00:26:52.475 --> 00:26:55.334
Any rules there were always just followed.

00:26:55.785 --> 00:26:57.615
It doesn't mean I didn't
question them, but I think.

00:26:59.365 --> 00:27:04.655
What happened for me was that I went along
with everyone else's path, get married,

00:27:04.665 --> 00:27:08.245
have kids, do this, be successful,
buy a house at this age, whatever.

00:27:08.385 --> 00:27:10.505
And obviously none of it satisfied me.

00:27:10.505 --> 00:27:13.415
And so I stopped trusting
anyone but myself.

00:27:14.185 --> 00:27:16.704
I think at that time, I actually, as a.

00:27:17.774 --> 00:27:20.105
I made a huge poster
that said, trust no one.

00:27:21.024 --> 00:27:21.365
I love it.

00:27:22.004 --> 00:27:26.345
And, and I, I, I wish I could
revise it to trust yourself.

00:27:26.345 --> 00:27:30.225
Maybe it would seem a little bit more
positive, but I, I think that was a huge

00:27:30.225 --> 00:27:31.785
realization for me at the time was that.

00:27:32.730 --> 00:27:37.030
I only ever got anything I wanted
out of life when I trusted myself,

00:27:37.230 --> 00:27:39.070
even when other people fought that.

00:27:39.230 --> 00:27:43.480
Even when my parents or people
close to me would question things.

00:27:44.280 --> 00:27:47.399
If I ever did it myself,
it was a good outcome.

00:27:47.550 --> 00:27:48.990
When I did it for someone else...

00:27:49.479 --> 00:27:53.769
And for someone else's narrative or
story, I, I'd never loved the outcome.

00:27:53.860 --> 00:27:58.820
And so I think through trial and error
of my own life, over many different

00:27:59.409 --> 00:28:05.520
relationships, doing a play, taking
this course, you know, I realized

00:28:05.530 --> 00:28:08.969
that when I was following others
or trusting what they told me to do

00:28:08.969 --> 00:28:11.990
and what, you know, this might make
you happy, this will keep you safe.

00:28:12.159 --> 00:28:13.990
I didn't like any of the results.

00:28:14.409 --> 00:28:16.459
And it was only once I
realized enough times of...

00:28:16.725 --> 00:28:19.795
Every time I did my own thing,
I was really happy about it.

00:28:20.515 --> 00:28:26.805
And so it was just self trust and to,
I will must say to, there was also, um,

00:28:26.855 --> 00:28:30.294
as I was referring to earlier, kind of
like a darker time in my youth that I

00:28:30.295 --> 00:28:33.735
did go through some hard stuff and I
was the only one who pulled myself out.

00:28:33.804 --> 00:28:36.165
I never talked about it with anybody.

00:28:36.185 --> 00:28:39.825
I never even shared with my
parents, all of the deep, hard

00:28:40.525 --> 00:28:41.845
issues that I was going through.

00:28:41.875 --> 00:28:43.925
I got myself out of that time.

00:28:44.275 --> 00:28:45.015
And I think,

00:28:45.705 --> 00:28:47.095
Travis Bader: why wouldn't
you share with others?

00:28:47.975 --> 00:28:50.314
Not that I'm judging, because
I would be the same way.

00:28:50.749 --> 00:28:52.669
Sabrina Smelko: Yeah, I
just didn't feel safe.

00:28:52.669 --> 00:29:00.110
I felt that every time I shared something
negative or even just like a Untrue belief

00:29:00.169 --> 00:29:01.830
it was like what are you talking about?

00:29:02.199 --> 00:29:08.350
I just didn't feel safe necessarily
sharing I felt like the reaction was

00:29:08.350 --> 00:29:10.199
almost as bad as the feeling itself.

00:29:10.199 --> 00:29:13.905
I wasn't I didn't get comfort
necessarily when I shared Friends,

00:29:13.985 --> 00:29:15.415
family, whoever it may have been with.

00:29:16.045 --> 00:29:17.605
I didn't get what I needed out of

00:29:17.605 --> 00:29:18.125
Travis Bader: sharing.

00:29:19.485 --> 00:29:20.635
I find that interesting.

00:29:20.645 --> 00:29:24.415
I find so many times people will,
will share something and the

00:29:24.415 --> 00:29:28.594
other person will want to provide
solutions or maybe diminish it.

00:29:29.185 --> 00:29:29.925
You're sad.

00:29:30.524 --> 00:29:31.574
Think of these other people.

00:29:31.594 --> 00:29:32.364
You're hungry.

00:29:32.395 --> 00:29:34.235
Well, you don't know starvation.

00:29:34.245 --> 00:29:35.625
You're whatever it might be.

00:29:35.635 --> 00:29:38.185
And they're trying to create that
balance in your head for you.

00:29:38.775 --> 00:29:40.875
I'll be at well meaning sure.

00:29:40.915 --> 00:29:41.505
Perhaps

00:29:41.885 --> 00:29:44.185
Sabrina Smelko: I find too,
especially when it's hard stuff,

00:29:44.665 --> 00:29:47.655
people are uncomfortable who are
close to you because they love you.

00:29:47.915 --> 00:29:51.395
They want to just help by providing, well,
here's what you could have done instead.

00:29:51.395 --> 00:29:53.675
Maybe if you didn't do this, maybe
if you did the debt and it was

00:29:53.675 --> 00:29:55.565
a lot of what ifs and a lot of.

00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.510
hypothetical in a lot of hindsight, and I
just don't find that helpful, personally.

00:30:00.560 --> 00:30:06.010
I'm very much, I mean, maybe it's my ADHD
run before I walk personality, but I want

00:30:06.010 --> 00:30:07.510
to know moving forward how to avoid this.

00:30:07.510 --> 00:30:09.260
I don't want to know why
I got into this mess.

00:30:09.289 --> 00:30:10.430
I know why I'm here.

00:30:10.449 --> 00:30:12.549
I understand mentally I'm in this place.

00:30:12.550 --> 00:30:15.440
I don't need to, Look
back at how I got here.

00:30:16.060 --> 00:30:19.900
I want to get out and it wasn't
progressive solutions necessarily

00:30:19.900 --> 00:30:23.010
when I would share It was more like
well, how did how did this happen?

00:30:23.639 --> 00:30:29.080
And I wasn't wanting to dwell in that
place So at around 17 18, I had to just

00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.340
decide mentally for myself like I this
is something I need to overcome myself

00:30:33.350 --> 00:30:37.970
This is something and eventually I
would share with people and eventually,

00:30:37.970 --> 00:30:40.720
you know People close to me and my
partner helped me through a lot of that.

00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:48.300
But yeah, it was It's that self trust,
self faith, self work, that really got

00:30:48.300 --> 00:30:51.620
me through and that leads me to still
make courageous decisions because I'm

00:30:51.620 --> 00:30:56.379
like, hey, if I got through that stuff
alone and every time I do something on

00:30:56.380 --> 00:30:58.489
my own volition, it leads to good things.

00:30:59.655 --> 00:31:01.415
Frick, I'm going to
trust myself, you know.

00:31:02.475 --> 00:31:05.155
Travis Bader: You know, I, I got a
hypothesis and I could be completely

00:31:05.155 --> 00:31:11.535
wrong, but, um, or I could be completely
right that people will tend to diminish

00:31:11.535 --> 00:31:15.674
somebody's honest feelings that are
being shared with them, either through

00:31:15.695 --> 00:31:20.200
a leveling process, through, Of look at
how bad it, it could be somewhere else.

00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:26.240
You should feel fine or dismissing
the person's concepts or ideas because

00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:27.580
they're not honest with themselves.

00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:31.650
And there's a fear in themselves
of being able to share that what

00:31:31.660 --> 00:31:33.880
you're feeling is absolutely normal.

00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:40.300
And we always have these ideas in
society of trying to get to a normal

00:31:40.300 --> 00:31:46.939
place of trying to feel happy of
trying to be how normal should be.

00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.059
And however you are feeling is
very likely, very normal for how.

00:31:51.825 --> 00:31:54.125
You should be at that point of
what you're going through of

00:31:54.135 --> 00:32:00.724
similar life experiences of similar
impulse and input, uh, it's normal.

00:32:00.825 --> 00:32:04.044
And if you don't like that normal
place where you're in right now,

00:32:04.045 --> 00:32:07.315
just know that it's normal for you
to be able to get out of there too.

00:32:07.914 --> 00:32:08.514
Sabrina Smelko: Yes.

00:32:09.055 --> 00:32:10.415
That would have been very helpful.

00:32:10.415 --> 00:32:11.604
And that's something I've now learned.

00:32:11.605 --> 00:32:16.565
And anytime someone has a hardship or
if they need to chat about it, I find

00:32:16.565 --> 00:32:18.385
that's the most helpful thing is just.

00:32:19.080 --> 00:32:19.620
That's okay.

00:32:20.170 --> 00:32:20.640
So what?

00:32:20.760 --> 00:32:21.660
I know you're feeling this way.

00:32:21.820 --> 00:32:23.280
Yeah, I have before too.

00:32:23.670 --> 00:32:28.170
It changes every every there's nothing
permanent It will always change and I

00:32:28.180 --> 00:32:32.690
felt like when I shared any negative
emotions like that exactly to your point.

00:32:32.710 --> 00:32:37.470
It was just like Devastating where
this is the rest of your life Oh my

00:32:37.470 --> 00:32:40.780
goodness, like but it could I what I
was really just wanting and looking

00:32:40.780 --> 00:32:45.810
for what I now know is just okay Like I
hear that you feel that way like let's

00:32:46.075 --> 00:32:47.845
It's not trying to figure out why.

00:32:48.285 --> 00:32:49.695
It doesn't have to be deciphered.

00:32:49.715 --> 00:32:55.435
It's just acknowledging a feeling and that
is, it can pass and that you can shift it.

00:32:55.515 --> 00:32:58.725
You can shift that energy and that's
why I had to learn that on my own

00:32:58.735 --> 00:33:02.404
was how to change my mood, how to
change my mind, how to shift, how

00:33:02.404 --> 00:33:05.274
the heck do you shift your own energy
when you're in that kind of a funk?

00:33:05.794 --> 00:33:09.195
But I think just knowing that, that
knowledge that it does change and if

00:33:09.205 --> 00:33:12.425
you just accept it, if you just let
yourself go through that emotion,

00:33:13.105 --> 00:33:14.715
get the angriest you'll ever get.

00:33:15.025 --> 00:33:16.455
Get the most depressed you'll ever get.

00:33:16.595 --> 00:33:18.995
Allow yourself to feel
sad, and guess what?

00:33:19.055 --> 00:33:22.525
Tomorrow you'll probably see something
and laugh and go, Oh wow, okay, so

00:33:22.525 --> 00:33:26.305
I can simultaneously feel sad and
laugh at something, and that's okay.

00:33:26.305 --> 00:33:26.845
That's life.

00:33:26.874 --> 00:33:31.375
I just wanted it to be okay to have
a full spectrum of emotions, and I

00:33:31.375 --> 00:33:34.845
felt like up until that moment of
my life, everything was positive.

00:33:34.845 --> 00:33:39.065
I had such a beautiful, charmed childhood
and life, and nothing bad ever happened,

00:33:39.065 --> 00:33:42.945
and Once I reached that 13 14 year old
state when you start seeing things in the

00:33:42.945 --> 00:33:47.515
world and maybe friends go through hard
times and you see loss for the first time,

00:33:48.175 --> 00:33:50.095
I just didn't know that that was okay.

00:33:50.165 --> 00:33:51.595
That that could coexist with.

00:33:52.665 --> 00:33:56.275
Being happy and having a nice
meal the next day, you know, it

00:33:56.275 --> 00:34:00.035
was never that emotional side of
things It's not taught to you.

00:34:00.035 --> 00:34:03.394
You don't learn it in school and unless
your parents are extreme feelers and

00:34:03.854 --> 00:34:07.294
Emotional themselves and willing to
let all of that down, which is hard

00:34:07.295 --> 00:34:10.025
to ask of a lot of people Sure, sure.

00:34:10.064 --> 00:34:14.495
It's tough for a kid who feels a
lot to Learn that maybe certain

00:34:14.495 --> 00:34:16.775
feelings are bad or to hide them.

00:34:16.835 --> 00:34:19.625
And so I learned for a long
time to, to hide my feelings.

00:34:19.655 --> 00:34:22.595
And I think back to now
quitting my show and getting

00:34:22.595 --> 00:34:24.994
my autoimmune thyroid disorder.

00:34:24.995 --> 00:34:28.165
I think for so long, I was just
suppressing certain feelings.

00:34:28.174 --> 00:34:32.025
I was suppressing any time I
felt negative in my relationship

00:34:32.025 --> 00:34:33.355
that I didn't want to be in.

00:34:33.425 --> 00:34:36.435
How, how did I do that for so many years?

00:34:36.775 --> 00:34:38.395
It was just a suppression of feeling.

00:34:40.175 --> 00:34:44.515
Travis Bader: I do believe that what we're
thinking about and our feelings that we

00:34:44.515 --> 00:34:46.765
have will manifest themselves physically.

00:34:46.815 --> 00:34:49.074
I'm, I do ascribe to
that a hundred percent.

00:34:49.585 --> 00:34:52.335
Um, you know, there's a couple
of sayings that we kind of

00:34:52.335 --> 00:34:53.555
tossed around in our house.

00:34:53.585 --> 00:34:58.329
Uh, once there is no tiger, I think, uh,
we may have talked about this one before.

00:34:58.730 --> 00:34:59.580
There is no tiger.

00:34:59.580 --> 00:35:03.680
And that was a excellent storyteller,
a guy who's got a YouTube channel

00:35:03.680 --> 00:35:05.000
and TikTok and all the rest.

00:35:05.010 --> 00:35:08.960
But he talks about, um, just bombing
one day right in front of his boss

00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:14.250
on a road trip, on a sales call, and
it was supposed to be big and he just

00:35:14.300 --> 00:35:16.359
bombed it and he's feeling terrible.

00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.830
And he goes into the hotel bar
later at night and orders himself

00:35:20.830 --> 00:35:25.120
a drink and woman jumps over the
bar and get someone together.

00:35:25.120 --> 00:35:28.200
Turns out it wasn't even the bartender,
he says, but, uh, she had a tattoo.

00:35:28.640 --> 00:35:29.100
Really?

00:35:29.700 --> 00:35:35.560
A gruff, um, hard Polish woman, he
says, looks like she could have led some

00:35:35.560 --> 00:35:38.080
labor revolts herself single handedly.

00:35:38.560 --> 00:35:42.390
And she's got a tattoo on her arm at
a time when tattoos weren't popular.

00:35:42.419 --> 00:35:43.589
And he asked, what is that?

00:35:43.589 --> 00:35:45.209
And he says, there is no tiger.

00:35:45.209 --> 00:35:46.269
He's like, well, what does that mean?

00:35:46.590 --> 00:35:50.910
It says, you know, in
time we had real concerns.

00:35:50.910 --> 00:35:52.050
We would be eaten by bears.

00:35:52.050 --> 00:35:52.930
We'd fall through the ice.

00:35:52.940 --> 00:35:54.170
It'd be eaten by a tiger.

00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:54.900
Now.

00:35:55.290 --> 00:35:56.170
There is no tiger.

00:35:56.550 --> 00:36:00.810
So when we're feeling bad or
feeling overwhelmed and having that,

00:36:00.810 --> 00:36:02.980
there is no tiger sort of mantra.

00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:03.910
Okay.

00:36:04.730 --> 00:36:05.270
Yeah.

00:36:05.590 --> 00:36:06.910
What's the worst that could happen?

00:36:06.919 --> 00:36:08.190
Let's play this one too, too.

00:36:08.230 --> 00:36:11.669
Like what you're saying, feel bad,
go through to the next logical step.

00:36:12.595 --> 00:36:14.925
What's the worst that could
happen if we go through this?

00:36:15.305 --> 00:36:16.335
There is no tiger.

00:36:16.755 --> 00:36:18.975
And the other one is
anyone can sail a boat.

00:36:19.325 --> 00:36:22.265
A friend of mine went out
and he had a sailboat.

00:36:22.265 --> 00:36:24.775
He picked up and I was like,
I didn't know he could sail.

00:36:24.805 --> 00:36:26.875
He's like, wait, talking
about it's big sheet.

00:36:26.915 --> 00:36:27.505
That's a win.

00:36:27.505 --> 00:36:28.825
Anyone can sail a boat, right?

00:36:30.404 --> 00:36:33.155
So he's out there sailing a boat.

00:36:33.155 --> 00:36:33.295
I'm like.

00:36:34.085 --> 00:36:34.915
I like that.

00:36:34.925 --> 00:36:36.645
He said, sure, there's
going to be a lot to it.

00:36:36.645 --> 00:36:39.635
If you want to be really proficient
and good at it, but I mean, maybe

00:36:39.635 --> 00:36:42.515
you suck, but you're still catching
the wind and sailing your boat.

00:36:42.714 --> 00:36:43.855
Anyone can sail a boat.

00:36:44.414 --> 00:36:47.745
And when I look at things that like
what you're talking about before,

00:36:47.784 --> 00:36:51.665
maybe the imposter syndrome, like
who am I to go out and do this?

00:36:51.665 --> 00:36:55.955
Who am I to stand in front of a group
and lecture on, on, on this topic when my

00:36:55.955 --> 00:36:58.185
background is a, and I'm talking about B.

00:36:58.820 --> 00:37:04.570
Um, but anyone can sail a boat and the
more we do it, the more comfortable

00:37:04.590 --> 00:37:06.230
we'll get at it and the better we'll be.

00:37:06.230 --> 00:37:10.540
And if we just keep that mentality in our
head, it's amazing what we can accomplish.

00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:11.420
Sabrina Smelko: Yeah.

00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:16.400
And the resiliency that that builds, like
your tenacity, you, that's just something

00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:20.120
that a lot of people don't develop in
their life is the ability to just kind

00:37:20.120 --> 00:37:24.780
of bounce back or try things and learn
things and stay in that kid, like energy.

00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:25.490
Like, I think that's.

00:37:25.590 --> 00:37:26.620
So important.

00:37:26.620 --> 00:37:29.930
That's, you know, what might lead
to an early death is stopping.

00:37:29.940 --> 00:37:32.750
Just stop learning and stop doing
things and be like, I've done

00:37:32.750 --> 00:37:33.930
everything I've needed to do.

00:37:33.940 --> 00:37:35.480
Like, I never want to be that way.

00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:40.010
I think that's the key to a long,
happy, healthy life is constantly

00:37:40.010 --> 00:37:40.900
just learning new things.

00:37:40.900 --> 00:37:43.570
Go on adventures, treat
your life like an adventure.

00:37:43.610 --> 00:37:44.860
It's so short.

00:37:45.070 --> 00:37:46.450
I think about that all the time.

00:37:46.570 --> 00:37:47.850
It could be taken away tomorrow.

00:37:47.850 --> 00:37:49.379
Like, I don't know.

00:37:49.560 --> 00:37:50.730
I just have a whole, yep.

00:37:50.780 --> 00:37:51.470
Memento Mori.

00:37:51.490 --> 00:37:52.200
Absolutely.

00:37:52.935 --> 00:37:55.215
Travis Bader: You know, that's
number one fear for a lot of people.

00:37:55.225 --> 00:37:57.335
Well, I guess number one fear is
supposed to be public speaking.

00:37:58.005 --> 00:38:00.645
And then, you know, the fear of death.

00:38:01.115 --> 00:38:06.335
And I remember I've done this with
my wife in the past and we're in

00:38:06.445 --> 00:38:11.785
an airplane hopping between little
islands and it's extremely turbulent

00:38:11.795 --> 00:38:17.004
and it's bumping around and she's
not feeling good because at one

00:38:17.004 --> 00:38:18.744
point she really didn't like flying.

00:38:18.744 --> 00:38:20.674
Now, I think she's kind of got
her head wrapped around it.

00:38:20.735 --> 00:38:25.010
And, uh, I look at her, I'm like, you
know, what helps me sometimes is I

00:38:25.040 --> 00:38:28.270
think of like, what's the worst possible
scenario that could happen right now.

00:38:28.310 --> 00:38:30.150
And she's like, well, I
guess we could crash and die.

00:38:30.200 --> 00:38:31.070
I'm like, no, no, no.

00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:32.739
That's not the worst possible scenario.

00:38:32.740 --> 00:38:33.010
Right.

00:38:33.390 --> 00:38:36.150
I mean, we could crash and be
horribly injured and be out in

00:38:36.150 --> 00:38:38.999
the ocean and sharks are swimming
around and we've been in a lot of

00:38:38.999 --> 00:38:40.800
pain for an extended period of time.

00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.540
And, but that's not happening right now.

00:38:42.550 --> 00:38:43.930
It's just a little bumpy, isn't it?

00:38:43.930 --> 00:38:44.230
Right.

00:38:44.270 --> 00:38:49.870
And I don't think in the moment that
sort of, uh, pep talk helped her.

00:38:51.060 --> 00:38:54.790
But she has mentioned later
on that she utilizes that

00:38:55.240 --> 00:38:57.060
principle when looking at things.

00:38:57.060 --> 00:39:02.230
And it's a helpful principle, uh, that,
and the other one, I know she was, I

00:39:02.260 --> 00:39:06.480
think at the time, uh, it was amazing,
the right hat, the right person has

00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:11.449
to be able to, uh, be able to accept
this information, giving birth to

00:39:11.449 --> 00:39:15.079
her first child, extended long labor.

00:39:16.290 --> 00:39:22.410
And I said, you know, obviously lots
of emotion, lots of pain, lots of.

00:39:23.140 --> 00:39:23.600
Everything.

00:39:23.600 --> 00:39:27.140
And I said, you know, this
is one day of your life.

00:39:27.170 --> 00:39:28.430
How do you want to look back on it?

00:39:28.660 --> 00:39:29.080
Right.

00:39:29.390 --> 00:39:33.069
And, uh, she says that really helped
her that that different mind shift.

00:39:33.070 --> 00:39:35.579
And cause you know, she looks
up to her grandmother, who was a

00:39:35.580 --> 00:39:39.480
very tough woman and who's, uh,
endured a lot of hardship and pain.

00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:45.910
And I mean, how we act at our worst
times is really what defines us and

00:39:45.910 --> 00:39:49.644
what builds that character within us, as
opposed to how we act when things are bad.

00:39:49.835 --> 00:39:52.835
Going well and how we present
ourselves when everything's perfect.

00:39:53.735 --> 00:39:54.305
Sabrina Smelko: Absolutely.

00:39:54.305 --> 00:39:55.695
And it builds right?

00:39:55.695 --> 00:39:59.664
Like every time you go through one of
those things where you overcome a fear

00:39:59.665 --> 00:40:02.225
or you're not so afraid of something, or
you can do something with a little less.

00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:08.760
about it, that like build something
in you that I think is so vital.

00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.710
And now in my life, I'm
very much focused on that.

00:40:12.769 --> 00:40:17.379
Before I was a little bit more in my head
and I've always been into yoga and more

00:40:17.380 --> 00:40:19.899
of like that mental health side of things.

00:40:20.700 --> 00:40:23.430
But I think as I get older, I'm
really interested in like the

00:40:23.430 --> 00:40:26.690
physical again and maintaining.

00:40:27.100 --> 00:40:31.370
That resiliency on more of like a
physical side of things and being sure

00:40:31.370 --> 00:40:38.850
that I, I am able and mobile and can
continue because I know how much I get

00:40:38.870 --> 00:40:42.350
out of when I do things like that and put
myself out there and move to a new place.

00:40:42.850 --> 00:40:45.840
I grow so much and you get so much
confidence and that's when you get into

00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:49.500
your adulthood and you're like, ah,
like the thirties are better than your

00:40:49.730 --> 00:40:52.530
twenties, you know, and I'm sure in your
forties, you're like forties are better

00:40:52.530 --> 00:40:56.550
than your thirties because you learn
yourself more and you develop your.

00:40:57.540 --> 00:40:58.950
Your character, like you were saying.

00:40:58.950 --> 00:41:02.330
And so, yeah, at this point in my
life, I'm trying a little bit more to.

00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:06.700
Bring that back into balance and, and
listening to the podcast too, like

00:41:07.080 --> 00:41:10.160
building muscle and physically training
again and wanting to kind of get

00:41:10.160 --> 00:41:11.640
back into martial arts a little bit.

00:41:11.640 --> 00:41:16.669
And it's all such a balance, like the
energy stuff and the physical stuff.

00:41:16.670 --> 00:41:19.969
It's, you start to just realize if
it's not in a perfect balance for

00:41:19.970 --> 00:41:23.799
you individually, you're just, it's
all about feeling, as I said before.

00:41:23.799 --> 00:41:26.339
So if something's off, you're
just not going to feel good.

00:41:26.989 --> 00:41:32.505
And so, Right now, I'm back to
working at home and for myself and

00:41:32.735 --> 00:41:36.305
getting into that routine where I
don't want to necessarily work out.

00:41:36.634 --> 00:41:41.544
It's kind of annoying to, you know, get
sweaty or go for a run, but I'm really

00:41:41.544 --> 00:41:44.965
trying to build those things back into my
life because I feel like I've overcome a

00:41:44.965 --> 00:41:48.965
lot of mental hard things and now I really
want to continue challenging myself to

00:41:48.965 --> 00:41:52.725
not be Not be content, because it's easy
to sit here and just work from home all

00:41:52.725 --> 00:41:54.925
day and be inside and sit on my butt.

00:41:54.965 --> 00:41:58.485
But I'm really trying to continue
to push myself now that I am

00:41:58.495 --> 00:42:00.074
happy and fulfilled in my life.

00:42:00.085 --> 00:42:05.364
To not just stay here because,
as I've learned, I am happy and

00:42:05.365 --> 00:42:08.745
fulfilled because I'm constantly
seeking, learning, and exploring.

00:42:09.055 --> 00:42:12.005
And I'm happy right now because...

00:42:12.450 --> 00:42:17.950
I've made some of those changes and I'm
in a better place, but I'm still happy

00:42:17.950 --> 00:42:19.240
because I'm still doing these things.

00:42:19.500 --> 00:42:22.010
Currently our house is for sale
and we're thinking about up and

00:42:22.010 --> 00:42:24.649
moving totally somewhere random
that we've never even been.

00:42:25.049 --> 00:42:28.639
We're looking at New Zealand or
the islands and Sunshine Coast.

00:42:29.080 --> 00:42:29.820
So we don't know.

00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:34.250
I'm just, I think that you have
to maintain fun in your life to

00:42:34.250 --> 00:42:38.180
feel fulfilled and to build your
character and to stay happy.

00:42:38.830 --> 00:42:38.970
You

00:42:38.970 --> 00:42:41.310
Travis Bader: know, you're talking about
the, uh, the physical side of thing

00:42:41.310 --> 00:42:45.510
and spending so much time on the mental
side, it's amazing how much physicality

00:42:45.520 --> 00:42:47.660
will affect the mental outlook.

00:42:48.020 --> 00:42:51.529
And it is such a vicious cycle though,
because when your head's not in the

00:42:51.530 --> 00:42:53.710
right place, trying to get physical.

00:42:53.935 --> 00:42:55.065
Man, is that tough?

00:42:55.105 --> 00:42:59.575
Like even just getting the motivation
to go up for a run or a walk or get

00:42:59.575 --> 00:43:01.395
out and do something can be difficult.

00:43:01.805 --> 00:43:06.935
And I can recall many a hike in the
mountains when I'm flying up the mountain

00:43:06.935 --> 00:43:11.995
and just on top of my game and just
heavy pack on, and I don't even feel it.

00:43:12.435 --> 00:43:16.795
And I can also recall many a hike in the
mountain where I'm slogging and every

00:43:16.805 --> 00:43:21.545
step is just a burden as I'm going up
and it was just through just sheer grit,

00:43:21.885 --> 00:43:27.205
determination, and tenacity of just pig
headed stubbornness that I get to where

00:43:27.205 --> 00:43:29.435
I need to get to, but man, it's tough.

00:43:29.454 --> 00:43:35.055
And the only difference wasn't
necessarily my physical health because

00:43:35.055 --> 00:43:39.365
my physical health was more or less the
same, but it was definitely the mental.

00:43:39.825 --> 00:43:41.095
Outlook on life.

00:43:41.615 --> 00:43:48.405
And now you deal with people, uh,
helping them get their voice, be

00:43:48.405 --> 00:43:52.845
able to, uh, promote themselves
out in the digital world through

00:43:52.865 --> 00:43:55.195
websites or through social media.

00:43:55.845 --> 00:43:56.775
What are some of the.

00:43:57.180 --> 00:44:02.230
Biggest challenges that you see people
are having in order to get themselves out.

00:44:02.260 --> 00:44:06.240
And what are some of your like top
10 tips to be able to overcome that?

00:44:07.390 --> 00:44:10.289
Sabrina Smelko: The biggest thing,
repeat, I see with nearly every

00:44:10.290 --> 00:44:12.280
client is that imposter syndrome.

00:44:12.870 --> 00:44:17.650
Almost everyone I speak to
doesn't feel like they're slightly

00:44:17.650 --> 00:44:21.500
embarrassed when they contact me
that they want to have a brand and

00:44:21.500 --> 00:44:22.530
that they think that they should.

00:44:22.530 --> 00:44:25.020
And almost everyone I talked to, it was.

00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:26.480
Last week.

00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.000
I can recall this like it was yesterday.

00:44:29.600 --> 00:44:33.940
This girl went on to be like, hi, I'm
really excited to launch my own brand.

00:44:33.940 --> 00:44:35.850
However, I shouldn't be doing this.

00:44:35.850 --> 00:44:36.610
I know nothing.

00:44:36.620 --> 00:44:37.930
I feel like an imposter.

00:44:37.969 --> 00:44:42.669
And then she described for five
minutes, all of her legitimate.

00:44:43.675 --> 00:44:47.235
Experience all of the things that
led her to this point, everything

00:44:47.235 --> 00:44:50.775
in her personal life, her childhood,
her education, her last couple of

00:44:50.785 --> 00:44:55.614
jobs that she had made it so perfect
for what she was trying to launch.

00:44:56.685 --> 00:45:00.965
And what's really interesting to me is
I've started to realize that imposter

00:45:00.974 --> 00:45:05.445
syndrome is almost just feeling like
you've never done that thing before,

00:45:05.535 --> 00:45:07.475
while knowing that you're meant for it.

00:45:08.015 --> 00:45:11.335
And I think that's where it comes from,
because it's like, it feels right,

00:45:11.335 --> 00:45:15.615
you know that it, it's like a costume
that feels comfortable to put on, but

00:45:15.615 --> 00:45:18.495
you've never put it on before, no one
told you to put it on, and, and no

00:45:18.505 --> 00:45:20.244
book did it tell you to put it on.

00:45:20.305 --> 00:45:23.075
And I think that's where imposter
syndrome comes from, is when

00:45:23.075 --> 00:45:25.064
something feels so right to you.

00:45:25.675 --> 00:45:28.255
But no one else has done it,
and no one's told you to do it.

00:45:28.665 --> 00:45:32.375
And I think that if you feel imposter
syndrome, that might be the best

00:45:32.385 --> 00:45:34.115
sign that you're on the right track.

00:45:34.305 --> 00:45:37.365
Because you feel like an
imposter in your own self.

00:45:37.374 --> 00:45:38.755
You haven't even told anyone about this.

00:45:39.275 --> 00:45:42.004
You just feel like a fake because
you've never done it before.

00:45:42.344 --> 00:45:44.575
But it's your next level
that you need to get to.

00:45:44.895 --> 00:45:49.515
So, just try and get comfortable
with that fact that this is for you.

00:45:50.155 --> 00:45:50.715
And I think...

00:45:51.550 --> 00:45:55.120
We, we call it imposter syndrome, but
it should just be called discomfort

00:45:55.120 --> 00:45:58.880
before you grow into that next stage
that you're supposed to be at, you

00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:02.200
know, it's like, does a, does a
caterpillar have imposter syndrome when

00:46:02.200 --> 00:46:03.700
it knows it's meant to be a butterfly?

00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:05.779
That's kind of how it is.

00:46:05.810 --> 00:46:08.780
Like they know they're meant to be
a butterfly, but right now I'm not.

00:46:08.850 --> 00:46:12.710
And I, I'm not in that physical
state, but I know I'm going to be,

00:46:12.710 --> 00:46:15.870
and I know I can evolve to that,
but I don't feel like a caterpillar.

00:46:15.870 --> 00:46:17.460
I don't feel like that butterfly yet.

00:46:17.910 --> 00:46:20.410
But they still are, doesn't mean
that's not in their destiny.

00:46:20.600 --> 00:46:21.950
So that's how I kind of think about it.

00:46:21.950 --> 00:46:24.500
And that's the main challenge
I see people dealing with.

00:46:25.550 --> 00:46:30.440
Travis Bader: You know, I, so there's
another podcast I'll talk on often called

00:46:30.450 --> 00:46:34.320
the collective and Chance Burroughs,
he's, uh, he made a statement on there

00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.440
and he says, um, the problem with.

00:46:37.835 --> 00:46:43.595
Sculpting yourself, right, of trying
to make yourself into what it is that

00:46:43.595 --> 00:46:48.865
you think you should be, is that you're
both the artist as well as the medium,

00:46:48.874 --> 00:46:53.405
you're, you're both the artist as
well as the, um, um, the, the rock.

00:46:53.415 --> 00:46:53.925
And.

00:46:54.490 --> 00:46:55.460
It's going to be painful.

00:46:55.470 --> 00:46:57.750
It's going to hurt as you start
chipping these things away and

00:46:57.750 --> 00:46:59.150
it's not going to feel comfortable.

00:46:59.930 --> 00:47:03.100
So I thought that was an interesting
sort of like your metamorphosis of

00:47:03.100 --> 00:47:09.959
the butterfly through the chrysalis
and to, um, I also had a, another

00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:14.040
past podcast guest, a friend of
mine, we sat down with a couple other

00:47:14.220 --> 00:47:18.220
people who've been on the podcast
actually, and he's looking at moving.

00:47:18.785 --> 00:47:22.125
In a new direction with his
business and what he'd like to do.

00:47:22.135 --> 00:47:26.095
He's got so much potential
and so much to share.

00:47:26.445 --> 00:47:28.695
I'm really excited to
see what he does with it.

00:47:28.745 --> 00:47:31.945
I'm not going to pre announce
what what's happening here.

00:47:32.405 --> 00:47:35.604
Uh, but I'll definitely be announcing
when he takes that next step.

00:47:35.624 --> 00:47:38.779
But, uh, uh, the other fellow who's.

00:47:39.170 --> 00:47:40.410
Very successful in his own right.

00:47:40.420 --> 00:47:42.590
Kept saying, I think you're
having imposter syndrome.

00:47:42.590 --> 00:47:44.240
And he's like, I'm not
having an imposter syndrome.

00:47:44.240 --> 00:47:44.950
I know where I'm at.

00:47:44.950 --> 00:47:45.810
I know what I'm doing.

00:47:46.130 --> 00:47:49.080
And the more I thought about it
and I'm looking at this, um, maybe

00:47:49.080 --> 00:47:52.370
it's just a different definition
of what imposter syndrome is

00:47:52.560 --> 00:47:54.000
because you haven't been there.

00:47:54.090 --> 00:47:55.759
You haven't done that next thing yet.

00:47:56.080 --> 00:48:00.660
And the questions that he was asking
everybody else that was sitting down,

00:48:00.940 --> 00:48:04.760
who were providing their insight and
their background from, it was like, it

00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:09.470
was crystal clear to us as to what the
next steps were and where we could go.

00:48:09.490 --> 00:48:14.370
And from his mind, uh, the next, the
tiniest next step seemed to be like,

00:48:14.370 --> 00:48:16.160
like, how do I just start that one?

00:48:16.380 --> 00:48:17.520
How do I get just that?

00:48:17.520 --> 00:48:20.520
Cause I can see the other ones as I
get rolling, I just don't see that one.

00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:21.720
Next step.

00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.980
Do you find that in the people
that you work with as well?

00:48:24.990 --> 00:48:29.620
It's just, it's so clear to you where
their path is and they just are so

00:48:29.620 --> 00:48:31.569
hung up on that one little step of.

00:48:32.100 --> 00:48:35.510
Whatever it is, whatever that mental
mind block that they're putting up.

00:48:35.510 --> 00:48:36.510
What do I call the company?

00:48:36.520 --> 00:48:38.860
Or how do I collect money
or whatever it might be?

00:48:39.740 --> 00:48:40.720
Sabrina Smelko: Yeah, absolutely.

00:48:40.820 --> 00:48:41.480
Oh my gosh.

00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:41.680
Yeah.

00:48:41.680 --> 00:48:46.030
And it's so interesting if they
have that little hangup, they can't

00:48:46.030 --> 00:48:47.740
get past to the exciting stuff.

00:48:48.180 --> 00:48:51.859
And what I find and why I do
the services I do now, where I

00:48:51.959 --> 00:48:55.079
always have an intro call and
it's one on one exactly like this.

00:48:55.089 --> 00:48:58.799
And we just shoot the shit for
an hour because what I find.

00:48:59.455 --> 00:49:02.695
The biggest marker for if they're
going to be successful and if they're

00:49:02.695 --> 00:49:05.615
going to do something with their
brand is if they're excited about it.

00:49:06.305 --> 00:49:06.775
Period.

00:49:06.775 --> 00:49:07.325
Full stop.

00:49:07.675 --> 00:49:14.015
If you're not excited about your branding
or your, how your Instagram looks, or if

00:49:14.025 --> 00:49:16.764
you can't get behind it and get excited
about it and think it's the coolest thing

00:49:16.765 --> 00:49:18.444
ever, you're not going to be successful.

00:49:18.495 --> 00:49:19.485
You're not going to put it out there.

00:49:19.820 --> 00:49:24.280
So I come back to fun and being excited
about something and so for a lot of

00:49:24.290 --> 00:49:26.840
people they can't get to that fun
and excitement because they're just

00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:30.640
so hung up on, I don't know how to
get a URL or something interesting.

00:49:30.640 --> 00:49:34.300
So that's where I come in and that's
what I'm trying to do now is offer.

00:49:34.710 --> 00:49:36.480
Being like your creative counterpart.

00:49:36.530 --> 00:49:38.380
You know, a lot of us
do these things alone.

00:49:38.410 --> 00:49:42.550
I've launched five different brands
totally alone, and I've learned now that

00:49:42.949 --> 00:49:46.890
they probably would have been ten times
more successful if I just had a little

00:49:46.890 --> 00:49:50.999
bit of help from someone who was equally
as excited about what I was gonna do.

00:49:51.860 --> 00:49:54.060
And just had that someone
to bounce stuff off of.

00:49:54.060 --> 00:49:57.740
Because I think often, especially for
people who are launching a new business

00:49:57.740 --> 00:50:02.675
or brand or something innovative, you're
going to get an echo chamber of your,

00:50:02.765 --> 00:50:06.335
your partner, your friends, your family,
they might support you, but you're going

00:50:06.335 --> 00:50:10.435
to get a lot of, ah, maybe do it like
this, or I don't know, like, what if that

00:50:10.435 --> 00:50:13.935
might be a little too much, or they'll,
they might whittle down your dreams

00:50:13.935 --> 00:50:15.625
a little bit, or at least not be as.

00:50:16.060 --> 00:50:18.860
generative and excited as you might be.

00:50:18.860 --> 00:50:22.870
And so that's going to impact your
ability to even want to do this thing.

00:50:23.680 --> 00:50:26.100
What I have in droves is excitement.

00:50:26.129 --> 00:50:29.530
I can get so jazzed about someone's stuff.

00:50:29.549 --> 00:50:33.349
I could, I could invent a, uh, I
could come up with a funny name

00:50:33.369 --> 00:50:36.064
that I think of a product for, and I
will spend all day searching for it.

00:50:37.045 --> 00:50:40.445
looking for URLs that match,
looking for white label products

00:50:40.445 --> 00:50:41.785
that I could have under that brand.

00:50:42.065 --> 00:50:45.785
I get so excited thinking about
new things and inventing things.

00:50:46.164 --> 00:50:49.675
And I've realized that
that's a, that's a skill.

00:50:49.685 --> 00:50:51.185
Like being someone.

00:50:52.055 --> 00:50:53.625
equally as excited person.

00:50:53.955 --> 00:50:56.825
I, I get people all the time on
calls like, Oh, I think that this

00:50:56.825 --> 00:50:58.455
would be kind of interesting.

00:50:58.485 --> 00:50:59.994
I think it would be fun.

00:51:00.045 --> 00:51:02.435
And just by me going, Yes, that's fun.

00:51:02.435 --> 00:51:03.145
Oh my goodness.

00:51:03.395 --> 00:51:04.505
What about this too?

00:51:04.525 --> 00:51:06.005
Oh, you can add on top of that with this.

00:51:07.265 --> 00:51:11.165
Then you get a million offshoots of ideas
and that's where good stuff comes from.

00:51:11.325 --> 00:51:15.695
I just think nothing new and original
is going to come from not being excited

00:51:15.715 --> 00:51:17.715
and not throwing spaghetti at the wall.

00:51:17.715 --> 00:51:18.085
So.

00:51:18.460 --> 00:51:21.770
My sessions and what I try and
do with people is be this person

00:51:21.770 --> 00:51:24.310
who will toss the spaghetti at
the wall when no one else will.

00:51:25.040 --> 00:51:25.850
Travis Bader: That's funny.

00:51:25.940 --> 00:51:27.350
I actually had an idea for you.

00:51:27.380 --> 00:51:29.560
The first time I met you, I had this idea.

00:51:29.930 --> 00:51:34.160
So you've got the Healer brand
and, uh, you make all your own

00:51:34.160 --> 00:51:38.080
products and you're very successful
in marketing and selling them and.

00:51:38.820 --> 00:51:40.300
I can let you talk about them.

00:51:40.380 --> 00:51:42.070
I know we've got a bunch
of them in our house.

00:51:42.140 --> 00:51:48.650
Uh, but, uh, a aromatherapy brand, a
division of Sabrina's smell Co it's

00:51:49.430 --> 00:51:53.210
just the goofiest little thing, but
I thought that URL and it just, it

00:51:53.210 --> 00:51:55.539
makes the, it makes the name stick.

00:51:55.539 --> 00:51:59.230
Anyways, my wife says, don't
say that Travis, don't say that.

00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:03.120
Sabrina Smelko: But so that's
the fun stuff that I think

00:52:03.120 --> 00:52:03.930
people like that though.

00:52:03.950 --> 00:52:06.990
Like it's silly and no one's going
to offer that professionally.

00:52:07.085 --> 00:52:10.875
And I think that's where I, in the past
couple months, really have honed in

00:52:10.875 --> 00:52:16.015
on my services, realizing that there's
a ton of professional branding houses

00:52:16.015 --> 00:52:21.025
and studios where they have staff
and big fixed prices and packages.

00:52:21.025 --> 00:52:23.075
And that's just not me.

00:52:23.405 --> 00:52:25.105
I'm so one on one.

00:52:25.185 --> 00:52:29.735
I really, really, I like reading people's
energy and trying to figure out the

00:52:29.735 --> 00:52:31.575
little nugget that gets them excited.

00:52:31.575 --> 00:52:34.034
And so that's what I just realized.

00:52:34.035 --> 00:52:34.785
I wanted to.

00:52:35.090 --> 00:52:40.060
Provide for people was just being that
kind of creative counterpart service that

00:52:40.120 --> 00:52:42.370
isn't necessarily as stuffy as an agency.

00:52:42.370 --> 00:52:45.380
I just, I think it's important
that people get excited and

00:52:45.390 --> 00:52:46.470
have someone to talk to you.

00:52:47.005 --> 00:52:52.215
So I think of myself as like part
designer, part therapist, part energy

00:52:52.215 --> 00:52:55.255
worker, part brand counterpart,
like whatever you need help with.

00:52:55.255 --> 00:52:59.565
I just like get keeping people in that
excited state because if you're not having

00:52:59.565 --> 00:53:02.744
fun with your brand and you don't like
it and you can't feel like you represent

00:53:02.744 --> 00:53:04.235
it, you're never going to use it.

00:53:04.235 --> 00:53:05.475
And it's never going to be successful.

00:53:05.845 --> 00:53:07.875
Travis Bader: So here's something
that you mentioned earlier.

00:53:07.875 --> 00:53:11.315
You said innovative with someone's
doing something innovative.

00:53:11.355 --> 00:53:14.765
And I think that is one area
where you bring a ton of value.

00:53:15.055 --> 00:53:15.535
You're right.

00:53:15.555 --> 00:53:17.035
There's a lot of agencies out there.

00:53:17.035 --> 00:53:17.735
There's a lot of.

00:53:18.545 --> 00:53:19.835
Cookie cutter formulas.

00:53:19.845 --> 00:53:23.255
That'll help people through, they'll go
to school, they'll learn the process.

00:53:23.255 --> 00:53:26.695
They got the basics and they can
provide that, that background to

00:53:26.695 --> 00:53:28.045
an individual who might need it.

00:53:28.605 --> 00:53:29.585
And that works.

00:53:29.625 --> 00:53:35.935
Like when I was starting Silvercore,
there was a, um, the Wardell group,

00:53:35.945 --> 00:53:39.255
I think it was called Mark Wardell
and he had a coaching company.

00:53:39.255 --> 00:53:43.655
And anyways, he worked out with a fellow
I knew and he says, come on in, we'll

00:53:43.655 --> 00:53:45.315
help you out, we'll get things rolling.

00:53:45.845 --> 00:53:47.665
And don't, don't worry about it.

00:53:47.665 --> 00:53:48.545
You're just starting out.

00:53:48.545 --> 00:53:51.935
You're, I think it was early
twenties, late teens, whatever it was.

00:53:51.935 --> 00:53:52.605
I had no money.

00:53:53.005 --> 00:53:59.385
And, um, so sat down with one of their
business coaches and they give me, they

00:53:59.385 --> 00:54:02.525
said, this is going to be like a business
degree without having to go to business

00:54:02.525 --> 00:54:03.944
school and call this is fantastic.

00:54:03.944 --> 00:54:04.224
Right.

00:54:04.704 --> 00:54:07.335
I suck at school, so I'll
get this information.

00:54:08.090 --> 00:54:12.400
And I found it was so dry and so
boring, what that one individual is

00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:16.929
bringing to me, based on the fact
that he had no concept of my industry,

00:54:17.090 --> 00:54:18.499
it was so foreign or out there.

00:54:18.500 --> 00:54:22.209
And he's like, Oh, well, you have to do
is mingle with other people out there

00:54:22.210 --> 00:54:23.600
who are successful and hang around.

00:54:23.600 --> 00:54:28.275
So I'd go to their, their groups and
their meetings and, I'm, I'm not saying

00:54:28.275 --> 00:54:31.825
anything bad about the company because
there's a lot of people who found great

00:54:31.835 --> 00:54:35.605
value in that, but the other people
that were doing their businesses were

00:54:35.675 --> 00:54:41.895
like say real estate agents or they've,
they ran a baristas or they, they had

00:54:41.905 --> 00:54:46.364
businesses that were established in
the public mindset and there was a path

00:54:46.375 --> 00:54:50.075
forward and there's great value to them
to, to associate with those others.

00:54:50.275 --> 00:54:52.675
For me, everyone says,
what do you do for work?

00:54:52.890 --> 00:54:55.240
What is that like, like who's your market.

00:54:55.710 --> 00:54:58.070
And there's this huge
question marks and it.

00:54:58.535 --> 00:55:04.215
I found that also would find
everybody else in your life.

00:55:04.295 --> 00:55:05.835
You think you can make money at that?

00:55:05.865 --> 00:55:06.575
I don't think so.

00:55:06.585 --> 00:55:07.545
You're wasting your time.

00:55:07.555 --> 00:55:10.215
Why are you pursuing down that
endeavor when you could do something

00:55:10.215 --> 00:55:11.714
that makes sense like this over here.

00:55:12.605 --> 00:55:14.445
And that's the value that you bring.

00:55:14.775 --> 00:55:19.075
I find in spades is when you're
doing something innovative

00:55:19.345 --> 00:55:20.925
that doesn't have that roadmap.

00:55:22.260 --> 00:55:26.820
You can help them see that path
forward and he can help other people

00:55:26.830 --> 00:55:30.530
see it too, because when you tell
that story in a way that makes sense,

00:55:30.540 --> 00:55:34.420
not just to the individual, but
other people like, oh, I get it now.

00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:37.080
I get how you're going to be
able to do something or create

00:55:37.089 --> 00:55:38.669
that story or that desire.

00:55:39.200 --> 00:55:40.670
There's huge value to that.

00:55:42.140 --> 00:55:42.719
Anyways, that was

00:55:42.769 --> 00:55:43.290
Sabrina Smelko: my perspective.

00:55:43.310 --> 00:55:44.660
And it's yeah.

00:55:44.710 --> 00:55:46.260
And it is that way though.

00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:47.500
It's totally individual.

00:55:47.520 --> 00:55:52.959
It's customized to the person because
I'm not going to shoot down someone's.

00:55:53.955 --> 00:55:57.385
I think I am hoping that I work
with more and more innovative

00:55:57.415 --> 00:55:59.335
people, but that's exactly it.

00:55:59.335 --> 00:56:04.475
I find there are certain businesses that
you can follow the same formula and you

00:56:04.475 --> 00:56:07.835
know, maybe an agency is the right answer
for, for that kind of an individual.

00:56:07.835 --> 00:56:11.775
But I like working with people who
kind of have a different idea or have a

00:56:11.775 --> 00:56:14.185
little bit of a weird niche or want to.

00:56:14.610 --> 00:56:18.180
A lot of my clients too are in people
who I'm trying to attract more of is

00:56:18.190 --> 00:56:20.250
people who don't have a brand at all yet.

00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:24.750
And they're trying to invent it because I
don't think you just have to have like a.

00:56:26.090 --> 00:56:27.630
supplement and this is how you do it.

00:56:27.630 --> 00:56:28.950
And you just sell it through Instagram.

00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:32.500
Like I'm really inspired by different
ways that people make money.

00:56:32.500 --> 00:56:35.780
I'm inspired by like
software as a service.

00:56:35.790 --> 00:56:38.389
I'm inspired by the
models that people use.

00:56:38.819 --> 00:56:39.720
There's a nutritionist.

00:56:39.720 --> 00:56:42.310
I follow a holistic nutritionist
and she has a really cool

00:56:42.350 --> 00:56:44.659
model where the first sessions.

00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:45.690
200.

00:56:45.970 --> 00:56:47.520
You get so much stuff.

00:56:47.530 --> 00:56:49.940
You get two hours live with her on video.

00:56:49.940 --> 00:56:54.229
You get a huge package catered to your
diet and lifestyle and all that stuff.

00:56:54.700 --> 00:56:59.030
And then follow up sessions are where
like 50 or 100 or something much cheaper.

00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.320
And I was like, that is very smart.

00:57:02.430 --> 00:57:05.834
I like to think about how that model
could be used for someone else.

00:57:06.365 --> 00:57:10.045
You know, maybe, um, a counselor
or someone in a different field.

00:57:10.045 --> 00:57:13.315
Like, I really do want to help
people figure out what a business

00:57:13.315 --> 00:57:14.655
might be that isn't traditional.

00:57:14.724 --> 00:57:17.265
Not a brick and mortar
shop, maybe not a retail.

00:57:17.585 --> 00:57:22.054
Maybe it's, maybe it's subscription boxes
or a seasonal box or a cool set or...

00:57:22.350 --> 00:57:25.440
You do jewelry, but it's only
sets of jewelry or I don't know.

00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.750
I just really like thinking about like
weird, fun, new ways to use technology,

00:57:29.750 --> 00:57:34.880
to use social media, to use domains,
to use all these different platforms

00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:38.199
to like come up with a new business,
come up with a new service, like

00:57:38.200 --> 00:57:40.289
provide something totally unique.

00:57:40.729 --> 00:57:44.480
And so that's what, if you want to
get those kinds of ideas in your head,

00:57:44.490 --> 00:57:46.450
that's what I hope to bring to people.

00:57:46.450 --> 00:57:48.400
And that's the kind of
people I want to work with.

00:57:49.325 --> 00:57:54.295
Travis Bader: I get asked a fair bit
in the sort of outdoors industry of

00:57:54.325 --> 00:57:57.585
where do I see a possible business?

00:57:57.585 --> 00:58:02.364
Where do I see, uh, the future, the
trend of, uh, of what we're doing used

00:58:02.365 --> 00:58:04.065
to be a lot about the firearm side.

00:58:04.065 --> 00:58:06.544
Where do I see the, uh,
the trends of that moving?

00:58:07.045 --> 00:58:13.305
Um, and when I was younger, I had a
whole ton of ideas and I was a little

00:58:13.305 --> 00:58:15.095
bit reluctant to share these ideas.

00:58:15.105 --> 00:58:16.505
Like, what if you go off and take it?

00:58:16.505 --> 00:58:17.035
What if you.

00:58:17.535 --> 00:58:19.485
Uh, take that idea and go run with it.

00:58:19.525 --> 00:58:23.935
And nowadays I share them all because
I've realized that it's only going

00:58:23.935 --> 00:58:29.865
to be better for us in general, if a
good idea takes off, but most people

00:58:29.885 --> 00:58:31.014
aren't going to take that step.

00:58:31.065 --> 00:58:35.665
Even if you give them a roadmap
and the perfect idea, the vast

00:58:35.665 --> 00:58:37.075
majority of people out there.

00:58:37.585 --> 00:58:38.385
I don't know what it is.

00:58:38.385 --> 00:58:39.285
They don't believe in it.

00:58:39.305 --> 00:58:40.545
They don't believe in themselves.

00:58:40.575 --> 00:58:43.135
If lack the courage, whatever it
might be, they'll come up with

00:58:43.135 --> 00:58:47.205
reasons to not take off on whatever
that, that different thing is.

00:58:47.215 --> 00:58:52.015
It's too much work, I think is
what it generally boils down to and

00:58:52.015 --> 00:58:53.894
nothing worthwhile ever comes easy.

00:58:54.564 --> 00:58:57.725
But I do know that if you put
that effort into any one of these

00:58:57.725 --> 00:58:59.585
ideas, that you'll be successful.

00:58:59.595 --> 00:59:03.635
Now, whether you turn around and say,
man, I could have been just as successful

00:59:03.635 --> 00:59:05.945
or more successful in an easier fashion.

00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:11.140
Maybe, maybe not, but if it sparks
that passion in you, who cares if

00:59:11.140 --> 00:59:15.340
the other one was easier, you enjoyed
yourself in the process and you're

00:59:15.340 --> 00:59:19.470
going to outperform anybody out there
who's doing it just for the money.

00:59:19.470 --> 00:59:20.380
Who's not performing.

00:59:21.310 --> 00:59:24.190
Sabrina Smelko: Comes back
to that word, enjoyment, fun,

00:59:24.260 --> 00:59:26.089
being excited and enjoying life.

00:59:26.780 --> 00:59:29.760
If you're in that energy,
your life is good.

00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:30.250
Period.

00:59:30.260 --> 00:59:31.990
It doesn't matter what you're doing.

00:59:32.010 --> 00:59:35.720
And that's just been the biggest
lesson of my life is yeah.

00:59:35.879 --> 00:59:36.630
Making it.

00:59:37.070 --> 00:59:41.480
Enjoyable, fun, making sure that you're
feeling good at anything you're doing.

00:59:42.630 --> 00:59:45.550
Travis Bader: So I deal with a
number of people who have their

00:59:45.550 --> 00:59:51.320
own TV shows and, uh, or who are
aspiring to have their own TV show.

00:59:52.350 --> 00:59:55.820
And now with YouTube, it's getting
easier than ever for people to have a

00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:01.770
video presence, but you took it to a
higher level than what most people do.

01:00:01.810 --> 01:00:03.980
Just having a TOK channel.

01:00:03.980 --> 01:00:07.320
You're, you're on HGTV
and a regular series.

01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:12.220
If somebody wanted to pursue
that as a bit of a path, what

01:00:12.220 --> 01:00:13.800
would that look like for them?

01:00:13.980 --> 01:00:18.790
And what sort of advice would you give
to yourself with the knowledge you have

01:00:18.790 --> 01:00:20.570
now, if you were looking to do that?

01:00:23.080 --> 01:00:25.620
Sabrina Smelko: I heard the best
piece of advice when I was first

01:00:25.620 --> 01:00:28.060
starting from Sarah Baumler, actually.

01:00:28.160 --> 01:00:33.979
Um, we were at a Chorus Upfronts, which is
this big event where HGTV kind of parades

01:00:33.980 --> 01:00:38.869
their talent out on stage, and they want
advertisers to buy into the shows, to

01:00:39.150 --> 01:00:40.600
have their commercials in their slots.

01:00:41.380 --> 01:00:46.900
And so all of us HGTV talent, you know,
McGilvries, Holmes, and the Baumlers, all

01:00:46.910 --> 01:00:51.300
these people, I'm kind of the newer girl,
and I don't really know these people.

01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:52.850
to be honest.

01:00:52.850 --> 01:00:54.260
Everyone's been fantastic.

01:00:54.580 --> 01:00:55.810
And I will never forget.

01:00:55.810 --> 01:00:59.580
I was standing behind Sarah Baumler
and she introduced herself to me and

01:00:59.630 --> 01:01:02.100
we just started chatting and you never
know how much time you have to talk

01:01:02.100 --> 01:01:05.380
until a producer's like, okay, get
on stage or whatever you need to do.

01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:07.570
And I'll never forget.

01:01:07.579 --> 01:01:09.715
She Gave me the best advice.

01:01:09.745 --> 01:01:13.925
I didn't even really ask her advice
or I don't know how it came up But

01:01:13.955 --> 01:01:17.575
naturally she was just like do you
have your own like do you have a blog

01:01:17.575 --> 01:01:19.525
or a brand or a anything like that?

01:01:19.555 --> 01:01:22.784
And at the time I didn't so my
answer was just no I have this show.

01:01:22.785 --> 01:01:23.345
I'm excited.

01:01:23.365 --> 01:01:25.734
I'm new, you know This is my co host.

01:01:25.745 --> 01:01:30.365
I was just so naive and she
goes You need your own thing.

01:01:31.015 --> 01:01:35.435
If you're gonna go into television,
without at least a blog, or a

01:01:35.435 --> 01:01:40.265
publication, or a magazine, or a
single product, what's the point?

01:01:40.284 --> 01:01:44.285
She's like, this is all great,
but it's great advertising for

01:01:44.285 --> 01:01:45.694
what you actually want to do.

01:01:45.704 --> 01:01:48.264
Don't just let this be the end all.

01:01:48.425 --> 01:01:51.065
Don't let you having
the show be the product.

01:01:51.085 --> 01:01:53.565
The product isn't the show, the
product is what you want to do.

01:01:53.585 --> 01:01:56.855
And unless you have your own
business or brand or something you

01:01:56.855 --> 01:01:59.755
want to say, what are you here for?

01:01:59.995 --> 01:02:03.495
And that was right at the beginning
of before I even started filming.

01:02:03.525 --> 01:02:08.244
And I think I only had like maybe a couple
episodes under my belt at that point.

01:02:08.245 --> 01:02:10.754
And I just stuck with me so much.

01:02:10.754 --> 01:02:11.785
And I never forgot that.

01:02:11.785 --> 01:02:16.084
And I think that's why I ended up
quitting in a large part was because

01:02:16.244 --> 01:02:19.765
I knew I needed to build my own
thing before I would ever possibly

01:02:19.765 --> 01:02:21.045
even get back into television.

01:02:21.895 --> 01:02:23.615
And if you have.

01:02:24.090 --> 01:02:27.940
A presence and a platform, but no,
nothing of your own that you own.

01:02:28.220 --> 01:02:29.250
What's the point?

01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:32.100
People are going to just think
of you as that girl on TV and

01:02:32.100 --> 01:02:33.850
pigeonhole you as to what they think.

01:02:33.869 --> 01:02:36.000
Unless you have your own
definition of yourself.

01:02:36.369 --> 01:02:37.030
And I didn't.

01:02:37.090 --> 01:02:38.370
I was still learning who I was.

01:02:38.399 --> 01:02:39.020
I was young.

01:02:39.020 --> 01:02:41.039
I was 24, 25.

01:02:41.040 --> 01:02:42.079
And so that stuck with me.

01:02:42.080 --> 01:02:44.940
My biggest advice would be,
Know what you want to offer.

01:02:44.940 --> 01:02:47.760
Know your why and know what
you're passionate about

01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:48.480
that you want to fall back.

01:02:48.510 --> 01:02:52.310
Maybe you don't already have a brand
or business, but be very clear on

01:02:52.825 --> 01:02:55.025
what you want to promote in the world.

01:02:55.640 --> 01:02:59.470
And I was not clear back then at
what I wanted to help people with.

01:03:00.630 --> 01:03:01.590
Travis Bader: I like that a lot.

01:03:01.750 --> 01:03:04.580
And that's something that I've
come to terms with as well.

01:03:04.580 --> 01:03:07.950
And that's, I just call it having
your North star and always knowing

01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:11.630
what that North star is, and that's
going to be something that's hopefully

01:03:11.640 --> 01:03:17.800
bigger than you and that every part of
your life that you're working on can

01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:21.900
somehow work towards that to whatever
that North star is going to be.

01:03:21.900 --> 01:03:23.570
If your North star is to be.

01:03:24.285 --> 01:03:28.435
Uh, a great, uh, father or mother.

01:03:28.435 --> 01:03:33.225
And, and you define that greatness as
being able to provide and emotionally,

01:03:33.225 --> 01:03:35.014
financially, and whatever it might be.

01:03:35.015 --> 01:03:39.405
Then you can say, every is what I'm
doing right now, working towards that

01:03:39.894 --> 01:03:41.875
is my resting working towards that.

01:03:41.884 --> 01:03:42.845
Cause maybe it is.

01:03:43.165 --> 01:03:46.155
And that's an area that I
find a lot of people gloss.

01:03:46.525 --> 01:03:49.595
Over, or maybe I'm just not looking
in the right areas, but there's

01:03:49.595 --> 01:03:55.845
a lot of, um, work hard, strive,
don't give up, be tenacious, uh,

01:03:56.015 --> 01:03:57.585
work harder than the next person.

01:03:57.605 --> 01:03:58.704
Take that next step.

01:03:58.705 --> 01:03:58.985
Right.

01:03:59.334 --> 01:04:03.114
And even when we're talking about
these wavelengths and how am I,

01:04:03.194 --> 01:04:06.675
how am I striving to get high and
that, okay, now I'm on a low turn

01:04:06.675 --> 01:04:09.875
because I'm doing something new and
I'm learning, okay, I'm high again.

01:04:10.635 --> 01:04:16.365
Uh, at what point do we sit
back and say, okay, it's time

01:04:16.365 --> 01:04:17.655
for a break for a bit, right?

01:04:17.655 --> 01:04:21.175
I don't need to push it at
these sort of, of high levels.

01:04:21.555 --> 01:04:21.965
I don't know.

01:04:21.965 --> 01:04:25.525
Have you, do you hear that
talked about much, or is that

01:04:25.525 --> 01:04:26.775
something that you think about?

01:04:27.405 --> 01:04:33.705
Like maybe, maybe I don't need to be
going 110 miles an hour all the time.

01:04:33.845 --> 01:04:36.475
Maybe I'll just do it for a month
and then I'll take the rest off.

01:04:36.765 --> 01:04:40.725
Sabrina Smelko: Yeah, but I find that's
hard, especially in television, because

01:04:40.805 --> 01:04:45.265
you gotta keep up and you gotta jump
into the next thing and stay relevant.

01:04:45.265 --> 01:04:50.325
And so that's a tough ride,
ride to, sorry, wave to ride.

01:04:50.375 --> 01:04:52.635
And I clearly didn't know how to do it.

01:04:52.675 --> 01:04:55.475
I mean, I quit because I didn't
know how to balance that.

01:04:56.135 --> 01:05:01.185
Um, and I also felt though that because
I entered television quite naive and

01:05:01.185 --> 01:05:04.844
I didn't have my North star, so to
speak, that was also contributing to it.

01:05:04.855 --> 01:05:06.745
But it's a tough balance.

01:05:06.745 --> 01:05:11.284
You really, I, my next piece of advice,
I guess, anyone who wanted to kind

01:05:11.285 --> 01:05:16.825
of go into television would really
be protect your energy and be an

01:05:16.825 --> 01:05:18.795
executive producer on the show as well.

01:05:19.715 --> 01:05:23.715
Like if you're, if your name and likeness
is being used, you need to have a say on.

01:05:24.025 --> 01:05:25.605
How that final edit is shown.

01:05:25.605 --> 01:05:27.925
And that's something that
I did not have at all.

01:05:28.245 --> 01:05:32.815
My co host had those credits and he
was able to edit and, um, control

01:05:32.815 --> 01:05:34.275
kind of how he appeared on the show.

01:05:34.275 --> 01:05:38.045
And that was something that because
I was naive and going into the

01:05:38.045 --> 01:05:42.404
negotiations with the contracts,
I represented myself and so.

01:05:43.105 --> 01:05:46.595
You know, I should have known
better, but having that control

01:05:46.595 --> 01:05:48.735
over your image is huge.

01:05:48.785 --> 01:05:52.854
And so, yeah, being an executive producer
on anything that you're in, if you're

01:05:52.854 --> 01:05:56.795
on a show or on a YouTube or anything
is definitely something to consider.

01:05:56.884 --> 01:05:56.984
That's

01:05:56.995 --> 01:05:58.865
Travis Bader: something I
never would have thought of.

01:05:59.394 --> 01:06:01.665
Never would have thought of that.

01:06:01.665 --> 01:06:02.965
That, that is a good point.

01:06:03.085 --> 01:06:05.065
They say, don't fear the
camera, fear the edit.

01:06:05.065 --> 01:06:05.355
Right?

01:06:05.795 --> 01:06:06.595
Sabrina Smelko: Absolutely.

01:06:06.605 --> 01:06:10.965
Cause what's shocking is there would
be, I think it was calculated out at 18.

01:06:11.295 --> 01:06:16.175
Anywhere from 15 to 20 shoot days
for a half an hour of television.

01:06:16.995 --> 01:06:19.725
So that's 18 full 16 hour days.

01:06:21.265 --> 01:06:24.934
So think about how much footage
that is and how much gets.

01:06:25.970 --> 01:06:30.830
So you might say the whole speech
you want to say and you feel good

01:06:30.830 --> 01:06:33.030
about that's going to be in the
scene and it's not in the scene.

01:06:33.140 --> 01:06:34.620
It's, it's formatted.

01:06:35.150 --> 01:06:40.209
Almost every single television show
you see is so formatted to the 30

01:06:40.220 --> 01:06:43.189
seconds, to the 30 seconds, to the
minute, to the one second mark.

01:06:43.189 --> 01:06:48.655
So it's all very controlled and If you
do want to say something specific and

01:06:48.655 --> 01:06:51.805
you do want to show, because you want
that platform to say something, you have

01:06:51.805 --> 01:06:54.915
to be an executive producer on the show,
or you will not get your words out.

01:06:55.285 --> 01:06:56.105
Travis Bader: That's smart.

01:06:56.254 --> 01:07:01.755
You know, I, I was asked to be on CNN a
while ago and, uh, I was very flattered.

01:07:01.755 --> 01:07:04.915
I was on there with this FBI guy
and we're talking about some stuff

01:07:04.915 --> 01:07:06.324
that was going on in the States.

01:07:06.335 --> 01:07:11.385
And, uh, I was all proud of this
long conversation, only like little

01:07:11.395 --> 01:07:14.495
snippets came out of like, man, I
said so much great stuff, but they

01:07:14.495 --> 01:07:15.965
only use the tiniest little bit.

01:07:15.975 --> 01:07:19.775
And, um, Uh, friend of mine
who works for government.

01:07:19.775 --> 01:07:22.405
And he's like, he's asking
me a bunch of questions.

01:07:22.405 --> 01:07:23.815
And he's like, well, hold on a second.

01:07:23.835 --> 01:07:25.125
Have you had any media training?

01:07:25.195 --> 01:07:25.985
I'm like, no.

01:07:26.454 --> 01:07:26.584
Right.

01:07:26.835 --> 01:07:27.965
He's like, okay.

01:07:28.535 --> 01:07:32.205
Um, even on these tiny little things
like this, like it's not a full show

01:07:32.205 --> 01:07:35.434
that you have, you're, you're just
doing the, uh, a quick interview.

01:07:36.450 --> 01:07:39.100
You should have that, that
same sort of understanding.

01:07:39.130 --> 01:07:42.370
Like what you're saying at the beginning,
they're selling something, they've got an

01:07:42.370 --> 01:07:44.290
agenda of where they want to go with this.

01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:46.180
You ask them, what is it?

01:07:46.460 --> 01:07:46.720
Right.

01:07:46.740 --> 01:07:49.950
And then tell them what it is that you
want to see put out and then have a proper

01:07:49.950 --> 01:07:51.240
understanding as you go through that.

01:07:51.259 --> 01:07:55.060
So even on this, the smallest sort of
interaction, something I never would have

01:07:55.060 --> 01:07:59.380
thought about, I know next time, if I'm
ever asked to be on CNN again, then I

01:07:59.460 --> 01:08:01.755
will, uh, I'll have that conversation.

01:08:01.755 --> 01:08:06.325
And maybe, maybe the, uh, the
preparation and, and hard work that

01:08:06.325 --> 01:08:11.405
I put in for, uh, at least sounding
halfway articulate and clever will

01:08:11.405 --> 01:08:13.274
actually come out in the final product.

01:08:14.014 --> 01:08:16.384
Sabrina Smelko: And you also too,
though, realize there's a lot that

01:08:16.385 --> 01:08:21.235
you end up saying that are not your
words that are coerced because what

01:08:21.235 --> 01:08:25.035
people forget is there are multiple
producers on television shows and

01:08:25.035 --> 01:08:29.545
their only job is to get the people who
are on camera to say certain things.

01:08:29.890 --> 01:08:30.380
Period.

01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:35.680
So, it's, it's not that it's necessarily
scripted, but there are beats.

01:08:35.690 --> 01:08:37.210
It's called a beat sheet.

01:08:37.400 --> 01:08:40.790
You get a beat sheet from the scene,
and these are the beats that we have

01:08:40.790 --> 01:08:43.239
to hit in the scene, because these are
the only things we're going to air.

01:08:43.489 --> 01:08:45.909
Everything outside of these beats,
doesn't matter if you tell a funny,

01:08:45.910 --> 01:08:48.170
cool story, it's probably not going
to make it, because it's not in the

01:08:48.170 --> 01:08:51.760
beat, and only the beats fit in that
time slot before the commercial.

01:08:52.550 --> 01:08:56.200
So, you realize, too, that you
end up, I would watch edits

01:08:56.200 --> 01:08:57.490
back and be like, I never...

01:08:57.545 --> 01:09:01.915
I said that, but I guess I did,
because someone asked me a question

01:09:01.925 --> 01:09:06.445
trying to coerce that exact reply,
and I would fall for it all the time.

01:09:06.445 --> 01:09:08.085
I, I was an actress.

01:09:08.085 --> 01:09:11.425
I grew up doing, like,
theater camp, so it was so...

01:09:11.865 --> 01:09:15.575
easy for me to people please and kind
of if I knew that they were trying to

01:09:15.575 --> 01:09:19.255
get this certain thing out of the scene
sometimes I would even just say it to

01:09:19.255 --> 01:09:23.075
get the scene over with because I was
like I'm hungry, lunch is next and no

01:09:23.075 --> 01:09:27.355
one's saying this thing like I'll just
say it and get it over with but you kind

01:09:27.355 --> 01:09:32.625
of like undermine yourself sometimes
and it's not awesome to feel good about

01:09:33.325 --> 01:09:36.805
What you're saying when you know it's
just to get to lunch faster, and it

01:09:36.845 --> 01:09:40.895
wouldn't come naturally if you, you know,
We're just talking like that normal.

01:09:41.035 --> 01:09:43.345
Yeah, it's very very much manipulated.

01:09:43.585 --> 01:09:45.705
Gently, you know, nothing is forced.

01:09:45.714 --> 01:09:48.004
We're, even with the homeowners,
you know, you're not telling the

01:09:48.004 --> 01:09:49.625
homeowners to say this or that.

01:09:50.130 --> 01:09:54.060
However, in how you ask a question,
much like in an interrogation,

01:09:54.510 --> 01:09:57.630
how you ask someone a question
can really dictate their answer.

01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:02.060
And so, when you see those interview
style things on television, someone

01:10:02.070 --> 01:10:05.280
has just asked them a question,
and then you hear their reply.

01:10:05.810 --> 01:10:10.739
So often, it's not necessarily what
they would say, it's just a reaction

01:10:10.739 --> 01:10:14.210
to a question that they maybe
would have never even talked about.

01:10:14.930 --> 01:10:17.060
So, it's, you have to be careful with...

01:10:17.855 --> 01:10:23.335
How you represent yourself and be very
conscious that that happens in television.

01:10:23.375 --> 01:10:28.425
And I think because I didn't know that,
or I was a little naive to it, I, it run

01:10:28.425 --> 01:10:31.534
me down a little bit and it would bum
me out then when I would see the edit.

01:10:31.615 --> 01:10:34.505
But now in hindsight, if I ever went
back into television, I think with that

01:10:34.505 --> 01:10:37.865
knowledge and you just don't say it,
don't say anything you don't want aired.

01:10:38.745 --> 01:10:39.165
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:10:39.195 --> 01:10:41.625
Unless it's like Homer Simpson,
when he was getting interrogated

01:10:41.625 --> 01:10:43.215
for the gummy Venus de Milo.

01:10:43.725 --> 01:10:46.745
And you see the clock behind him
and it's jumping all over the place.

01:10:46.745 --> 01:10:46.845
And.

01:10:47.595 --> 01:10:52.365
They have them on the inside edition or
whatever it is that they just completely

01:10:52.365 --> 01:10:55.405
misquoting, I'm picking up the little
parts, playing it back and forth.

01:10:55.885 --> 01:10:59.345
But, uh, yeah, which I guess can happen.

01:10:59.345 --> 01:10:59.845
And you're right.

01:11:00.055 --> 01:11:03.794
You know, how a question is asked will
definitely elicit, uh, like you can ask

01:11:03.794 --> 01:11:10.315
a binary question, which presupposes only
two answers, but neither of them fits you.

01:11:10.775 --> 01:11:14.325
And so often, and that was something
that I found a lot, cause you know, I

01:11:14.325 --> 01:11:19.535
was on CBC and, uh, a couple of times
and each time I was on, I got a little

01:11:19.535 --> 01:11:23.855
bit better, but I, and I talked to the,
uh, the reporter ahead of time and get

01:11:23.855 --> 01:11:28.474
a bit of a sense and I'm like, now, am
I going to be the best person for this?

01:11:28.724 --> 01:11:30.674
Probably not from their perspective.

01:11:31.024 --> 01:11:33.505
Cause I, I start getting really
cautious about how I answer.

01:11:33.505 --> 01:11:35.825
They had asked one thing and I'd
answer something completely different.

01:11:35.825 --> 01:11:37.635
What I know to be true.

01:11:37.664 --> 01:11:38.094
Right.

01:11:38.535 --> 01:11:45.155
Um, I had one with, from my
perspective, yes, uh, from their

01:11:45.155 --> 01:11:48.215
perspective, maybe it's going to be
a little more difficult to use that.

01:11:48.235 --> 01:11:49.994
Maybe that's why things do get cut down.

01:11:50.515 --> 01:11:55.675
I had one where, um, I was asked
to speak on an event and, uh, I, I

01:11:55.675 --> 01:11:57.125
just wasn't in the right head space.

01:11:57.125 --> 01:12:01.825
And I, I thought back and forth
and I'm like, you know what?

01:12:01.835 --> 01:12:02.814
I know another person.

01:12:02.825 --> 01:12:05.965
And I referred another person over
for them to speak to, and I listened

01:12:05.965 --> 01:12:10.795
to what he said and I disagreed with
everything that he said, because I

01:12:10.795 --> 01:12:12.165
would have answered it differently.

01:12:12.310 --> 01:12:17.170
But what he said was absolutely perfect
for what needed to be said on, on that,

01:12:17.460 --> 01:12:23.509
uh, on that clip, I think it was about,
um, getting illegal guns, getting,

01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:26.060
uh, firearms illegally in Canada.

01:12:26.630 --> 01:12:29.100
And he says, it's impossible.

01:12:29.120 --> 01:12:29.690
You can't do that.

01:12:29.690 --> 01:12:31.090
You can't get, you can't get a gun.

01:12:31.090 --> 01:12:32.150
You have to go through a course.

01:12:32.150 --> 01:12:32.870
Here's how you do it.

01:12:32.870 --> 01:12:37.130
And he goes through this whole
process of, um, background checks,

01:12:37.130 --> 01:12:39.469
criminal record checks, and
everything else that's required.

01:12:39.860 --> 01:12:42.529
Whereas my head wasn't
quite as black and white.

01:12:42.529 --> 01:12:46.059
And I'd be like, well, I guess if somebody
was going to do things illegally, they

01:12:46.060 --> 01:12:47.680
would smuggle one across or they do.

01:12:48.300 --> 01:12:52.460
Now I'm sure if I gave that one, that
interview, all of those tidbits would

01:12:52.460 --> 01:12:54.290
come out and it would sound terrible.

01:12:54.420 --> 01:12:56.710
He comes across with just
a, nope, you can't do it.

01:12:57.500 --> 01:12:58.730
Absolutely impossible.

01:12:58.800 --> 01:12:59.510
Sabrina Smelko: Interesting.

01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:02.160
Did you know that that was
the question going in before?

01:13:02.210 --> 01:13:06.479
Travis Bader: I had a sense of, uh, what
they would be talking about ahead of time.

01:13:06.669 --> 01:13:06.989
And

01:13:07.799 --> 01:13:08.569
Sabrina Smelko: interesting.

01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:14.150
I find that because with the show as
well, one of the things we would make

01:13:14.150 --> 01:13:18.000
sure of is that the homeowners were
kind of always kept in the dark about

01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:21.740
what was coming next, because then you
would get the answers and reactions.

01:13:22.365 --> 01:13:26.365
That you would want more if they, if you
kept them in the dark, I'm just thinking

01:13:26.365 --> 01:13:30.505
of a random question, like if they
didn't know that mold was discovered,

01:13:31.205 --> 01:13:35.574
we would go, what would you think if
mold was discovered in your house?

01:13:36.390 --> 01:13:39.920
And then they'd react like that
and it obviously would be mold and

01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:42.300
so you'd splice it all together
and it's like you're getting this

01:13:42.300 --> 01:13:44.649
visceral emotional reaction to
something that's not even real.

01:13:44.650 --> 01:13:49.660
You're just trying to get a hypothetical,
but we know it actually is real.

01:13:50.300 --> 01:13:53.280
So I'm curious if you knew your
question in advance because I found

01:13:53.280 --> 01:13:57.470
that that would be something that was
used a lot too was Asking them the

01:13:57.470 --> 01:14:02.010
question on the spot when they're on
camera to get the most People kind of

01:14:02.090 --> 01:14:03.660
they don't want to give a bad answer.

01:14:04.210 --> 01:14:06.940
They they want to appear
politically correct There's

01:14:06.940 --> 01:14:08.310
five people looking at them.

01:14:08.370 --> 01:14:12.740
So the answer you get is To me, it
just doesn't feel as authentic as if

01:14:12.740 --> 01:14:16.650
you knew what the question was gonna
be, you had some time to prepare.

01:14:17.330 --> 01:14:20.660
That would probably be a more
honest answer, but yes, that's not

01:14:20.670 --> 01:14:24.360
the goal with, uh, with that kind
of television, is get them kind of

01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:28.649
right in that state of reaction in
the most unknown and uncomfortable.

01:14:29.315 --> 01:14:33.305
Travis Bader: My, I think the, my first
CBC interview I did, I was early twenties.

01:14:33.335 --> 01:14:38.425
And I think, um, the interviewer took
pity on me afterwards cause they didn't

01:14:38.475 --> 01:14:43.635
air some of the stuff that was, that
was said, but his advice was at the

01:14:43.635 --> 01:14:48.595
end, you know, a lot of people feel
that they have to have all the answers

01:14:48.614 --> 01:14:52.464
when the camera's on them and they have
to say something, sometimes you don't

01:14:52.464 --> 01:14:55.754
have to say anything at all or just say.

01:14:56.315 --> 01:14:57.085
That's a good question.

01:14:57.085 --> 01:14:57.575
I don't know.

01:14:58.465 --> 01:15:01.385
And I'm like, well, that
was really polite way.

01:15:01.385 --> 01:15:05.305
And I have saying, he asked me to
speculate on something that was

01:15:05.305 --> 01:15:10.165
completely outside of my, my comfort
level or spectrum of knowledge,

01:15:10.695 --> 01:15:12.474
uh, in the political sphere.

01:15:13.215 --> 01:15:16.105
And, uh, I could have just as
easily declined that question.

01:15:16.195 --> 01:15:17.635
You don't have to, Oh, he's answer.

01:15:17.645 --> 01:15:18.315
You don't have to be, yeah.

01:15:20.790 --> 01:15:23.310
Same thing with interrogation,
interview and interrogation.

01:15:23.580 --> 01:15:27.670
I've done courses with the Reed Institute
and the VPD and a few others on.

01:15:28.070 --> 01:15:28.679
Sabrina Smelko: Really interesting.

01:15:29.240 --> 01:15:33.590
So I know you haven't always
been super comfortable even

01:15:33.590 --> 01:15:35.080
like doing interviews and stuff.

01:15:35.089 --> 01:15:37.920
What do you think, is it just like
the amount of times you've done

01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:41.719
it has built comfort for you or
have you practiced in other ways?

01:15:41.719 --> 01:15:44.189
Like what has made you
comfortable public speaking?

01:15:44.339 --> 01:15:47.009
Travis Bader: It's definitely not
something I've ever really become

01:15:47.009 --> 01:15:51.090
comfortable with, but I What I
enjoy is the personal connection.

01:15:51.530 --> 01:15:58.150
And I, I enjoy talking to people one
on one and having that conversation.

01:15:58.160 --> 01:16:02.850
And if I'm talking to a large group, I
essentially, when I'm teaching, I look

01:16:02.850 --> 01:16:06.420
at the group as if it's one individual
with a bunch of different questions,

01:16:06.420 --> 01:16:11.704
a bunch of different personalities,
and I approach it from the mindset of.

01:16:11.905 --> 01:16:13.525
Here's where their knowledge level is.

01:16:13.535 --> 01:16:15.435
Here's what I'd like to
be able to get them to.

01:16:15.535 --> 01:16:17.065
What value can I bring to them?

01:16:17.065 --> 01:16:20.515
And what's the most effective way for
me to get them from point A to point B.

01:16:20.895 --> 01:16:25.974
And I look at that as a challenge and
the teaching side, when I'm doing the

01:16:26.225 --> 01:16:30.204
podcast, I don't think it's something
I'm ever going to be comfortable with.

01:16:30.425 --> 01:16:33.945
I never wanted to have my face
out there or my voice out there

01:16:33.945 --> 01:16:35.795
as see the head of silver core.

01:16:36.165 --> 01:16:39.055
It's a whole reason I called it
silver core and not Travis core.

01:16:39.055 --> 01:16:39.295
Right.

01:16:39.295 --> 01:16:43.865
Or I figured it'd be great to have
something that was independent of me.

01:16:44.385 --> 01:16:49.055
The issue I found is, and it goes back to
what you're talking about, about having

01:16:49.055 --> 01:16:50.775
some sort of, what is it that you're.

01:16:51.470 --> 01:16:53.120
Uh, what's your personal brand?

01:16:53.120 --> 01:16:57.920
What is it that you're bringing along
with your TV show or whatever it might be?

01:16:58.820 --> 01:17:03.390
If you build something up that is so
independent from you, uh, particularly

01:17:03.390 --> 01:17:09.250
an area with a low barrier to entry,
uh, it's easy for other people to,

01:17:09.419 --> 01:17:12.400
to mimic or copy or, uh, or steal.

01:17:13.070 --> 01:17:18.990
And I've seen that happen a number of
times and kind of dilutes the, the,

01:17:18.990 --> 01:17:23.610
um, the playing field a little bit,
but the one thing they can't dilute

01:17:23.650 --> 01:17:28.050
or take or copy is my face and my
voice and my thoughts and my opinion.

01:17:28.339 --> 01:17:29.970
So I figured.

01:17:30.175 --> 01:17:33.875
Back in 2019, was it around there?

01:17:34.975 --> 01:17:35.975
I'm going to jump in.

01:17:36.365 --> 01:17:39.305
Some friends are saying every
person has to be a media company.

01:17:39.305 --> 01:17:41.255
Every business has to be a media company.

01:17:41.255 --> 01:17:42.925
Gary Vaynerchuk said it to be true.

01:17:43.134 --> 01:17:44.124
So it's gotta be true.

01:17:45.495 --> 01:17:48.934
And I said, okay, I'm
not comfortable at all.

01:17:49.034 --> 01:17:51.905
I absolutely feel like
an imposter doing this.

01:17:52.780 --> 01:17:53.500
But here we go.

01:17:53.820 --> 01:17:55.080
And I just jumped in and did it.

01:17:55.080 --> 01:18:00.670
And I still, uh, you know, I'll do my, my
prep work ahead of time as I go through.

01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:04.950
And I guess practice makes it a little
bit more, uh, uh, proficient, but it's

01:18:04.950 --> 01:18:10.730
still something that, um, uh, I wouldn't
say is my a hundred percent comfort zone.

01:18:11.430 --> 01:18:11.510
Hmm.

01:18:12.050 --> 01:18:12.740
Is it your comfort

01:18:12.740 --> 01:18:13.040
Sabrina Smelko: zone?

01:18:14.280 --> 01:18:16.500
Um, it actually is.

01:18:16.500 --> 01:18:16.501
Yeah.

01:18:16.670 --> 01:18:20.000
I, I, I, yeah, I feel
very comfortable Really?

01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:20.060
Yeah.

01:18:20.390 --> 01:18:21.380
In this kind of a setting.

01:18:21.385 --> 01:18:21.620
Yeah.

01:18:21.620 --> 01:18:22.100
I do.

01:18:22.100 --> 01:18:23.350
I almost more than.

01:18:24.985 --> 01:18:27.485
If I didn't have an audience
talking about something.

01:18:27.605 --> 01:18:27.945
Interesting.

01:18:28.155 --> 01:18:29.445
I don't know why that is.

01:18:29.445 --> 01:18:33.775
I've always just been very much
like a mirror with other people.

01:18:33.775 --> 01:18:38.940
I, I'm really just fascinated by
life and I feel like unless I'm

01:18:38.940 --> 01:18:42.100
talking about it and someone's
hearing it, it doesn't exist almost.

01:18:42.320 --> 01:18:45.180
So I've always just been very much
an echo chamber with my friends.

01:18:45.180 --> 01:18:50.110
I was always the one talking the most and
I'm very outgoing and in group settings.

01:18:50.190 --> 01:18:54.100
Ironically, I'm a little bit more of an
introvert and I do gain that energy back

01:18:54.100 --> 01:18:59.390
and require that alone time, but I've
always loved being in crowds and talking.

01:18:59.390 --> 01:19:01.450
And I was that kid though, who would.

01:19:01.850 --> 01:19:07.180
embarrass myself like pretending I had a
horse I was riding and invisible animals

01:19:07.190 --> 01:19:11.270
and doing a cart wheel at the beginning
of recess to enter another dimension.

01:19:11.270 --> 01:19:13.920
And it never bugged me to have eyes on me.

01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:16.950
It never bugged me that people
thought I was different or weird.

01:19:17.850 --> 01:19:19.289
I always almost liked it.

01:19:19.330 --> 01:19:21.139
I found it kind of endearing.

01:19:21.180 --> 01:19:21.960
Like if people.

01:19:22.015 --> 01:19:23.225
I thought it was weird.

01:19:23.225 --> 01:19:26.375
I almost wanted to make up a
language to weird them out more.

01:19:26.675 --> 01:19:27.675
I don't know what it is.

01:19:27.675 --> 01:19:29.695
I I'm always pushing people's buttons.

01:19:29.775 --> 01:19:31.245
Maybe that's part of my personality.

01:19:33.885 --> 01:19:36.224
Travis Bader: You're like happy
Gilmore's grandma riding the horse.

01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:41.570
Sabrina Smelko: Oh, I'll never forget
the cars looking out the window, just

01:19:42.280 --> 01:19:46.550
me with my legs as wide as I could after
that, like 10 years old, walking down

01:19:46.550 --> 01:19:48.230
the sidewalk as if I'm riding a horse.

01:19:48.280 --> 01:19:52.370
I kind of, I've just always liked
getting a rise out of people and pranking

01:19:52.390 --> 01:19:55.040
people and I was a huge prankster.

01:19:55.040 --> 01:19:56.190
I always got in trouble.

01:19:56.230 --> 01:20:00.950
I just, I was so boring and
regimented, like just the

01:20:00.950 --> 01:20:02.070
school of it, the system of it.

01:20:03.695 --> 01:20:05.145
I was just like, this is so boring.

01:20:05.155 --> 01:20:08.045
Like, we're chopping down the
tree now because it's unsafe?

01:20:08.075 --> 01:20:09.055
Like, come on.

01:20:09.065 --> 01:20:12.355
Like, I've just always kind of
questioned when we did anything to

01:20:12.445 --> 01:20:14.714
fit in or be formal or follow a...

01:20:15.155 --> 01:20:15.645
Routine.

01:20:15.645 --> 01:20:21.455
I've always really fought that so I think
even with public speaking being shy or

01:20:21.465 --> 01:20:25.895
being like oh I'm afraid to say that I
would be like I want to prove to people

01:20:25.895 --> 01:20:31.035
that it's so not something to be afraid of
because What's the worst that happens you?

01:20:31.914 --> 01:20:35.024
Yell out a random word at someone who's
a stranger and they kind of just look at

01:20:35.024 --> 01:20:38.454
you and laugh and maybe you actually made
Their day, I don't know I think as a kid

01:20:38.454 --> 01:20:42.645
I just saw that a lot where I was the
youngest of three and to get attention

01:20:42.645 --> 01:20:46.880
sometimes you just have to do crazy
stuff and The reaction would usually be

01:20:46.890 --> 01:20:53.030
entertainment or joy, so I just never
was shy about speaking, talking, being

01:20:53.030 --> 01:20:55.669
out there, because it helped me feel...

01:20:56.120 --> 01:21:00.980
When I was like that, I wasn't
feeling the other bad emotions that

01:21:00.980 --> 01:21:02.879
I was referencing before, you know?

01:21:02.879 --> 01:21:07.009
Like, if I was being weird and out there
and talking, at least people could...

01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:13.220
judge me for those things as opposed to
when I'm quiet alone and sad I didn't want

01:21:13.250 --> 01:21:14.880
to be judged for that or known for that.

01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:18.949
I want it to be known for being
wild and being okay with that.

01:21:19.789 --> 01:21:23.029
So it's like these two parts of
me ever since I was young that

01:21:23.110 --> 01:21:24.269
we're kind of like competing.

01:21:24.269 --> 01:21:26.990
And one side really cared what
people thought and the other

01:21:26.990 --> 01:21:28.690
side was trying to prove that.

01:21:28.915 --> 01:21:31.265
By not caring what people think
you can be free and happy.

01:21:31.265 --> 01:21:33.805
And I feel like I was
always battling that.

01:21:34.035 --> 01:21:35.695
It's funny as a kid.

01:21:36.465 --> 01:21:37.465
Travis Bader: Is that isolating though?

01:21:37.945 --> 01:21:42.124
I mean, if you're going to be not caring
about what everybody says, because I can,

01:21:42.454 --> 01:21:46.744
I can sympathize with all the things you
just said there growing up, you know, I

01:21:46.745 --> 01:21:51.554
was a class clown and there's easier to
do that than pay attention in school.

01:21:51.554 --> 01:21:52.754
And man, I didn't.

01:21:52.980 --> 01:21:55.370
Didn't fit in with a
traditional school system.

01:21:55.410 --> 01:22:02.580
I think by grade seven, I had one, two,
three, I think it was only three desks.

01:22:02.610 --> 01:22:05.020
I had no four, I had four desks.

01:22:05.029 --> 01:22:07.069
So I had my desk in the classroom.

01:22:07.590 --> 01:22:09.610
I had a desk at the back of the class.

01:22:09.630 --> 01:22:13.530
You know, if I'm feeling like super
energetic, I had a desk in the hallway and

01:22:13.530 --> 01:22:15.130
I had a desk in the principal's office.

01:22:15.140 --> 01:22:17.960
I was the only person with a
desk in the principal's office.

01:22:18.915 --> 01:22:22.525
And, uh, you know, I got straight
A's in grade four at a teacher

01:22:22.525 --> 01:22:25.035
who's just like, you know what,
I don't know how to control you.

01:22:25.185 --> 01:22:27.615
Um, but you seem to really like puzzles.

01:22:27.675 --> 01:22:30.045
So go nuts with your puzzles.

01:22:30.045 --> 01:22:33.484
You seem to, you've got this
college level chemistry book that

01:22:33.485 --> 01:22:35.125
you're, you're enjoy reading.

01:22:35.135 --> 01:22:36.605
Do you want to bring
your chemistry set in?

01:22:36.605 --> 01:22:38.805
And you can teach
chemistry at a lunch break.

01:22:38.805 --> 01:22:42.265
And for me, chemistry was all about making
invisible ink and blowing things up.

01:22:42.285 --> 01:22:42.795
I mean, that's.

01:22:43.440 --> 01:22:46.440
You know, if there's some
sort of a exothermic reaction

01:22:46.440 --> 01:22:50.350
associated with whatever you're
mixing together, that's cool.

01:22:50.390 --> 01:22:50.790
Right.

01:22:51.330 --> 01:22:54.770
And, um, I got straight
A's by grade seven.

01:22:54.770 --> 01:22:57.870
I had straight F's, but the teacher
says, you know what, that was

01:22:57.870 --> 01:22:59.969
midterm by the final report card.

01:22:59.970 --> 01:23:01.679
I'm like, I guess I'm repeating the grade.

01:23:01.679 --> 01:23:04.680
Teacher's like, I gave you just
high enough grades to get through.

01:23:05.690 --> 01:23:07.470
I don't want to see you in my class again.

01:23:07.480 --> 01:23:11.140
I think high school will do a lot more for
you than I'll ever be able to do for you.

01:23:11.140 --> 01:23:13.300
I'm like, adios, sounds good to me.

01:23:14.050 --> 01:23:17.340
Sabrina Smelko: So isn't that funny
though, that at that age, when you're

01:23:17.340 --> 01:23:22.099
in like elementary school, you kind of,
that's when you first are like, you're the

01:23:22.099 --> 01:23:26.300
truest, most authentic part of you comes
out and like being good at puzzles and

01:23:26.310 --> 01:23:30.860
having those kind of moments of like what
your services are now almost in a way,

01:23:30.860 --> 01:23:32.270
or what makes up your personality now.

01:23:32.310 --> 01:23:33.710
And then you also, on the other hand.

01:23:34.140 --> 01:23:38.530
are being told to fit in this box, being
told you have to do this, attend this room

01:23:38.530 --> 01:23:42.740
from these times, and it's like you're
fighting two very, that age is just so

01:23:42.740 --> 01:23:46.500
interesting in elementary school, where,
and I think back to myself as well, like,

01:23:46.550 --> 01:23:50.620
we sound like we were both so authentic,
we knew these little interests that

01:23:50.620 --> 01:23:55.080
we have, that we still have, but yet,
you're kind of boxed in with all these

01:23:55.080 --> 01:23:56.494
other kids, and they all want you to...

01:23:56.895 --> 01:23:58.085
It's like tall poppy syndrome.

01:23:58.085 --> 01:24:02.045
You, everyone has to kind of stay at
the same level, grow at the same rate.

01:24:02.495 --> 01:24:05.235
Even though like as kids we
all already have these little

01:24:05.245 --> 01:24:06.555
strengths and skills and gifts.

01:24:06.595 --> 01:24:11.375
Everyone is such individual gifts
and like It's just I wish people

01:24:11.375 --> 01:24:14.144
would foster that more and I feel
like that's even why I'm doing now.

01:24:14.144 --> 01:24:17.790
What I'm doing is to try and like
Respark that in people of like, what

01:24:17.790 --> 01:24:19.180
were you excited about as a kid?

01:24:19.370 --> 01:24:21.170
What were those things that
you're naturally good at?

01:24:21.170 --> 01:24:23.970
What are your gifts that you're
meant to bring to the world?

01:24:23.970 --> 01:24:28.030
Like forget the job that you
think you have to be doing or just

01:24:28.030 --> 01:24:31.240
because that's what your mom or
society or your teacher told you.

01:24:31.249 --> 01:24:35.876
Like, I think that rebellious
side myself as a young kid is

01:24:35.876 --> 01:24:37.150
now what I'm doing for work.

01:24:37.150 --> 01:24:37.530
Almost.

01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:40.010
I'm showing other young me's like.

01:24:40.410 --> 01:24:42.150
You don't have to follow that format.

01:24:42.160 --> 01:24:47.340
Like, what if you just continued being
that excited, energetic, passionate

01:24:47.360 --> 01:24:49.799
kid your whole life and followed that.

01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:53.140
And so I'm trying to like bring
that back out and help people

01:24:53.140 --> 01:24:54.440
kind of return to that in a way.

01:24:54.800 --> 01:24:56.910
Travis Bader: Yeah, I think it
takes a heck of a lot of effort.

01:24:56.910 --> 01:25:00.630
And I think that's why the current
education system is what it is, because

01:25:00.630 --> 01:25:04.730
there's a formula in place and there's
a, there's a business behind it.

01:25:04.740 --> 01:25:11.430
And, uh, It helps, you know, it helps
a lot of people, but it's not to have a

01:25:11.580 --> 01:25:17.440
bespoke sort of, uh, curriculum for each
individual would just be too onerous.

01:25:17.460 --> 01:25:18.270
It'd be too much money.

01:25:18.270 --> 01:25:19.150
It'd be too much time.

01:25:19.690 --> 01:25:23.595
Uh, And that's where I think the
parents should play a very active

01:25:23.595 --> 01:25:27.575
role in how they educate their
children, because there are minimum

01:25:27.585 --> 01:25:29.575
standards that people need to know.

01:25:29.575 --> 01:25:30.694
And we do that with our kids.

01:25:30.714 --> 01:25:33.375
What's the minimum standards we need
to know for them to graduate this year.

01:25:33.415 --> 01:25:33.775
Great.

01:25:33.775 --> 01:25:34.884
We'll get that done today.

01:25:35.165 --> 01:25:39.184
Right now we can spend the rest
of the time doing whatever, right?

01:25:39.205 --> 01:25:44.845
Like our son is working towards 14 years
old and they both get great, great.

01:25:44.985 --> 01:25:46.705
So daughter gets straight A's every year.

01:25:46.705 --> 01:25:53.350
She's been in high school and, um,
But we get to expose them, double

01:25:53.360 --> 01:25:56.830
down on what it is they're good at,
as opposed to let's get you a tutor

01:25:56.830 --> 01:26:01.219
so we can really get you better at
whatever it is they might be poor at.

01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:02.120
Why?

01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:06.030
Let's just get you through what
you're poor at and just double down.

01:26:06.030 --> 01:26:08.180
We'll get you a tutor for the
one that, if you're really into

01:26:08.220 --> 01:26:12.140
aerodynamics and you want to just learn
about that, we'll foster that now.

01:26:13.070 --> 01:26:13.590
Sabrina Smelko: Cool.

01:26:13.770 --> 01:26:14.900
That's an awesome approach.

01:26:14.900 --> 01:26:16.590
I wish I had that when I was a kid.

01:26:16.610 --> 01:26:17.030
That's.

01:26:17.405 --> 01:26:20.645
Do you find like with their friends
and stuff who maybe don't have

01:26:20.645 --> 01:26:23.695
that, do you see a difference
in the attitude of the kids?

01:26:24.765 --> 01:26:28.795
Travis Bader: Yeah, I, I think it's,
um, it also changes the type of people

01:26:28.795 --> 01:26:30.255
that they would be hanging around.

01:26:31.105 --> 01:26:33.175
Maybe that's the frequency
you're talking about before.

01:26:34.265 --> 01:26:37.324
Sabrina Smelko: I can't wait to see
like what your kids end up getting into

01:26:37.325 --> 01:26:41.845
and are interested in and what services
or things that they provide the world.

01:26:41.845 --> 01:26:42.705
I just feel like that.

01:26:43.535 --> 01:26:47.955
It's a more well rounded approach
when, like you said, there's, yes,

01:26:47.995 --> 01:26:50.815
the school is important, and yes,
there's a reason for that for sure,

01:26:50.815 --> 01:26:54.935
but They obviously have this knowledge
that that's not the end all be all.

01:26:54.935 --> 01:26:57.385
I'm sure you don't pressure
them to ace everything.

01:26:57.385 --> 01:27:00.965
Clearly you have instilled other more
important things in them and interests

01:27:00.965 --> 01:27:02.615
in the outdoors and that kind of stuff.

01:27:02.615 --> 01:27:05.934
And that I'm sure even just
helps their mental health.

01:27:06.125 --> 01:27:06.395
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:27:06.395 --> 01:27:10.365
I try and get them out fishing or hunting
or doing like, come on, let's skip school.

01:27:10.424 --> 01:27:11.275
Ah, no, I can't.

01:27:11.275 --> 01:27:12.325
Cause I got to do this and that.

01:27:12.355 --> 01:27:13.205
Are you kidding me?

01:27:13.225 --> 01:27:15.685
Like at that age, I'm
like, see ya, I'm gone.

01:27:15.685 --> 01:27:21.395
I got approval to skip school and
it's really had the reverse effect of.

01:27:22.265 --> 01:27:22.615
Interesting.

01:27:22.645 --> 01:27:23.085
Yeah.

01:27:23.125 --> 01:27:24.735
So our daughter wants to be a doctor.

01:27:24.795 --> 01:27:28.845
And so she's very, grades obviously are
important if you want to be a doctor.

01:27:28.845 --> 01:27:30.325
And so she's working towards that.

01:27:30.385 --> 01:27:35.265
And, uh, our son, he's easier to
convince to, uh, to skip school.

01:27:35.265 --> 01:27:39.104
But even now there's, there's days
when he's like, no, I'm, there's an

01:27:39.115 --> 01:27:40.684
important lesson we got to cut in.

01:27:40.684 --> 01:27:41.165
That's hilarious.

01:27:45.025 --> 01:27:45.045
Sabrina Smelko: Yeah.

01:27:45.045 --> 01:27:47.585
Never would have a question
for you actually, which is.

01:27:48.535 --> 01:27:54.495
Something I struggle with is having a
big far out goal or thinking of myself as

01:27:54.905 --> 01:27:56.565
old or what I'm going to be doing then.

01:27:56.785 --> 01:27:57.465
You saying I'm old?

01:27:58.865 --> 01:28:04.754
No, I'm asking if you have, do you have
a vision of yourself when you're older?

01:28:04.755 --> 01:28:06.415
Do you, can you see that?

01:28:06.475 --> 01:28:12.220
Or are you like me where I find
personally, I'm most successful

01:28:12.220 --> 01:28:13.480
when I don't think about that.

01:28:13.490 --> 01:28:17.690
And when I just operate in my present
day and try and make this day good, I

01:28:17.690 --> 01:28:21.609
really, I can visualize a lot of things,
and I can invent a lot of stuff, but I

01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:27.830
really find it hard thinking about myself
when I'm 80, 90, whatever it may be.

01:28:28.620 --> 01:28:33.040
I just, I find it tough to, it's
the one thing in my life I can't pre

01:28:33.040 --> 01:28:35.600
plan or visualize or have ideas for.

01:28:35.820 --> 01:28:38.440
I'm very much today, and
I don't know if that's...

01:28:41.860 --> 01:28:42.950
Travis Bader: I think
that's a good question.

01:28:43.020 --> 01:28:45.790
You know, growing up, my parents
didn't think I'd live past nine.

01:28:46.200 --> 01:28:50.520
It's kind of a weird thing for a parent
to tell their kid, but, uh, fair enough.

01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:55.290
I was just out there just
go, go, go, go crazy stuff.

01:28:55.300 --> 01:28:56.409
Let's jump off the roof.

01:28:56.450 --> 01:28:57.949
Let's whatever, right.

01:28:58.540 --> 01:28:59.970
I'll just run across traffic.

01:29:00.570 --> 01:29:03.560
And then when I made it past nine,
they said, I don't think you're

01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:05.210
going to be able to make it past 18.

01:29:05.300 --> 01:29:05.630
Right.

01:29:05.630 --> 01:29:08.740
I, we, I don't think you're Yeah,
something's gonna happen between now

01:29:08.740 --> 01:29:13.750
and then, and maybe they, maybe my mom
was predisposed, her brother died at 21.

01:29:13.750 --> 01:29:17.140
He was, uh, blown up a grenade
in a training accident.

01:29:17.145 --> 01:29:20.530
And, you know, she was always of
the mindset, it's good to have more

01:29:20.535 --> 01:29:21.970
than one kid in case you lose one.

01:29:21.970 --> 01:29:23.860
So maybe that was sitting
in the back of the head.

01:29:23.860 --> 01:29:24.160
Right.

01:29:24.165 --> 01:29:28.480
But, um, and maybe I was the one
that, uh, was mentally prepared

01:29:28.480 --> 01:29:30.160
to, uh, to disappear at some point.

01:29:31.185 --> 01:29:38.295
But I, even at those ages, I never had a,
I always had the concept that I could die.

01:29:38.365 --> 01:29:39.595
I could die the next day.

01:29:39.595 --> 01:29:41.274
And I'm not going to make
it to those milestones.

01:29:41.275 --> 01:29:43.825
Better live it out loud,
do what I want, want to do.

01:29:44.744 --> 01:29:49.065
It's not conducive to, uh, perhaps not
getting into trouble when you're younger.

01:29:49.574 --> 01:29:50.412
Um, but.

01:29:51.500 --> 01:29:54.650
So even now I look at every day as if.

01:29:56.950 --> 01:30:02.420
It could be the last, you know, that
death sits on your, your every word.

01:30:02.420 --> 01:30:06.370
And I don't have any vision
of what the future looks like.

01:30:06.380 --> 01:30:11.490
It's not smart to play the game
as if every day is your last.

01:30:11.490 --> 01:30:12.680
Otherwise everyone would be broke.

01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:15.069
They blow all their savings or
people would be extremely hung

01:30:15.070 --> 01:30:16.979
over the next day or, or whatever.

01:30:16.980 --> 01:30:17.280
Right.

01:30:17.740 --> 01:30:24.730
Um, put a plan in place to ensure that,
um, we're working towards something.

01:30:25.650 --> 01:30:29.360
But no, I, I don't see myself
necessarily as getting old because

01:30:29.360 --> 01:30:30.830
I think age is a construct.

01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:35.420
I mean, the fact that your body ages
is something, sure, our body will get

01:30:35.430 --> 01:30:41.500
older, but I, I, a lot of my friends
are in their eighties or older and.

01:30:42.235 --> 01:30:44.555
Man, they don't think
of themselves as old.

01:30:45.505 --> 01:30:48.845
Once they hit about 20, that's sort
of where the brain kind of solidified

01:30:48.845 --> 01:30:52.224
and their body's getting older
and they've got pains and aches.

01:30:52.255 --> 01:30:57.145
But the way they think about
things is just, uh, maybe accented

01:30:57.145 --> 01:30:58.605
with a bit more experience.

01:30:59.795 --> 01:31:04.614
So I think from a, uh, a mental
perspective, I definitely see

01:31:04.614 --> 01:31:08.954
myself learning more as I, as
I grow, as each day goes by.

01:31:08.954 --> 01:31:10.244
Cause I love that every day.

01:31:10.244 --> 01:31:11.904
I'd love to learn more and more and more.

01:31:12.374 --> 01:31:13.964
Um, I find great.

01:31:14.285 --> 01:31:15.275
Value in that.

01:31:15.295 --> 01:31:18.585
And then being able to share what I'm
learning with the right people, people

01:31:18.585 --> 01:31:23.475
who will appreciate it, but no, I don't
have an idea of me sitting in a rocking

01:31:23.475 --> 01:31:29.034
chair and on the deck watching the sunset.

01:31:29.155 --> 01:31:31.815
I see myself doing pretty
much the same sort of things.

01:31:31.815 --> 01:31:35.424
Like I am now minus any
physical capabilities.

01:31:36.195 --> 01:31:36.655
Sabrina Smelko: Totally.

01:31:36.715 --> 01:31:37.315
Okay, good.

01:31:37.445 --> 01:31:41.115
That's kind of comforting because I've
always wondered that myself a lot of

01:31:41.715 --> 01:31:44.655
questions I get are like, where do
you see yourself or what's your goal?

01:31:44.655 --> 01:31:50.785
And I sometimes feel weird that I don't
have that but to your exact point,

01:31:50.795 --> 01:31:55.630
that's That's, that's, I guess the point
is there, you're always learning your,

01:31:55.890 --> 01:32:00.120
there isn't really a destination unless
the destination is yeah, in a wheelchair

01:32:00.120 --> 01:32:02.120
and in an old age home or something.

01:32:02.120 --> 01:32:06.570
But I find that just hard to think
about because yeah, my mind feels young.

01:32:06.570 --> 01:32:11.750
My mind body might change, but yeah, I
still feel, I've always found that a hard

01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:15.380
thing to think about because I'm like,
well, my mind doesn't feel any older

01:32:15.380 --> 01:32:18.550
or younger than when I first started
thinking my first thought, you know?

01:32:18.550 --> 01:32:18.890
So,

01:32:19.050 --> 01:32:19.620
Travis Bader: and I think it'd be.

01:32:20.440 --> 01:32:22.270
Incredibly depressing as well.

01:32:22.300 --> 01:32:26.690
If you get to that point, what happens
if you have this idea in your head that,

01:32:27.220 --> 01:32:28.860
all right, this is what I look like.

01:32:29.140 --> 01:32:31.560
This is what the end game, I've
got my mortgage paid off, I've

01:32:31.560 --> 01:32:35.920
got X amount in the bank account,
I've accomplished X, Y, Z goals.

01:32:36.430 --> 01:32:38.380
What happens if you
accomplish all of that early?

01:32:39.260 --> 01:32:40.339
Now, now what?

01:32:41.120 --> 01:32:41.760
Are we done?

01:32:42.320 --> 01:32:47.200
And what happens if you never accomplished
those goals that you're working towards?

01:32:47.200 --> 01:32:49.580
And that milepost keeps getting
put further and further.

01:32:50.069 --> 01:32:51.600
Oh, I didn't think I'd live this long.

01:32:51.690 --> 01:32:54.920
Like I remember my grandma, she'd always
say, man, all my friends are dead.

01:32:54.920 --> 01:32:56.610
I'm, I might as well die.

01:32:56.620 --> 01:32:56.840
You know?

01:32:56.840 --> 01:32:59.599
And I'd look at this and be
like, how depressing, right?

01:33:01.449 --> 01:33:04.960
And of course, you know, telling a kid
dog, no, Graham, we don't want you dead.

01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:05.760
No, no, no.

01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:06.640
I should be dead.

01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:10.380
Everyone hits husband,
kids, dead friends are dead.

01:33:11.180 --> 01:33:12.830
But I guess I'm guessing that.

01:33:13.230 --> 01:33:17.030
Uh, what it was that she was living
for wasn't something that maybe she

01:33:17.030 --> 01:33:18.540
had those goals or goals are done.

01:33:18.540 --> 01:33:20.910
And it was just now a process
of living out the days.

01:33:21.910 --> 01:33:26.070
I can never see that for myself because
what brings me joy and what brings

01:33:26.070 --> 01:33:30.429
me value is creating new things,
learning new things, creating things,

01:33:30.859 --> 01:33:35.789
using that to impact my surroundings,
to help bring others up around me.

01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:38.180
If I'm doing that, I feel fulfilled.

01:33:38.420 --> 01:33:39.259
That's fantastic.

01:33:39.650 --> 01:33:41.250
And that's a never ending process.

01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:43.590
I could be doing it through Silvercore.

01:33:43.590 --> 01:33:45.570
I could be doing it
through some of my hobbies.

01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:51.010
I can hopefully impart some stuff and
share what I know through the podcast.

01:33:51.010 --> 01:33:54.800
And maybe that resonates with
somebody, but that's, um, yeah, that's,

01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:57.129
that's kind of where I see things.

01:33:57.129 --> 01:33:59.270
I don't ever see stopping working.

01:33:59.820 --> 01:34:03.080
There is no freedom 55 for retirement.

01:34:03.150 --> 01:34:10.470
I can see the need to work for a
certain base level diminishing.

01:34:11.525 --> 01:34:12.725
But I'm always going to work.

01:34:13.015 --> 01:34:16.365
I mean, it's, you need
that struggle in your life.

01:34:16.635 --> 01:34:18.905
You need to be pushing
yourself physically.

01:34:18.905 --> 01:34:20.485
You need to be pushing yourself mentally.

01:34:20.915 --> 01:34:25.344
Uh, and you need to recover and recoup
so that you can watch yourself get

01:34:25.344 --> 01:34:27.335
stronger and go to the next stage.

01:34:28.224 --> 01:34:30.755
Sabrina Smelko: You grow, grow,
grow until it ends, I guess.

01:34:31.534 --> 01:34:33.414
Travis Bader: Or doesn't that
depends on how you look at it.

01:34:33.434 --> 01:34:33.804
Right.

01:34:33.885 --> 01:34:35.185
Sabrina Smelko: But yeah, true.

01:34:35.475 --> 01:34:37.135
That's another topic altogether.

01:34:37.475 --> 01:34:43.680
Um, and business wise, I mean, podcast
is It's obviously just your own interests

01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:48.740
and that's so vast, but I remember last
time we were chatting, you were discussing

01:34:48.740 --> 01:34:52.449
maybe the possibility of adding a little
bit more like online courses and stuff.

01:34:52.450 --> 01:34:55.890
And as someone, I mean, I manage
your Instagram, I see so many

01:34:55.890 --> 01:35:00.449
comments of gimme foraging courses
and more of that kind of stuff.

01:35:00.569 --> 01:35:02.870
Are you expanding those
kinds of things as well?

01:35:03.330 --> 01:35:06.210
Travis Bader: We are, yeah, it's,
it's something that, uh, so we've

01:35:06.210 --> 01:35:10.600
been providing content over, I know
Tiffany is the, uh, the resident

01:35:10.610 --> 01:35:12.030
forager here at Silvercore.

01:35:12.040 --> 01:35:14.499
She knows, she knows more information.

01:35:14.530 --> 01:35:17.480
She's forgotten more information
than I'll probably ever know.

01:35:18.029 --> 01:35:22.770
Uh, putting that together in a, uh,
in a cohesive format for people.

01:35:23.090 --> 01:35:25.090
I think is, uh, is important.

01:35:25.090 --> 01:35:26.690
And I know she's got a
lot of notes on that.

01:35:27.260 --> 01:35:27.960
We have, and

01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:30.810
Sabrina Smelko: as a chef too, I
mean, the food side of things, she

01:35:30.810 --> 01:35:33.989
can offer so many great recipes,
like people, I think we need

01:35:33.989 --> 01:35:34.159
Travis Bader: that.

01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:36.840
Well, you should see
the garden in the yard.

01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:38.840
We don't grow anything
you can't eat, right?

01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:43.059
And if some people grow nice
looking flowers and that's great

01:35:43.069 --> 01:35:45.770
and all, but if you can't eat it,
you won't find it in our yard.

01:35:46.220 --> 01:35:47.150
And really, eh?

01:35:47.200 --> 01:35:47.490
Yeah.

01:35:47.500 --> 01:35:47.970
That's awesome.

01:35:48.375 --> 01:35:50.395
We've got the boneyard in
the front because I just keep

01:35:50.405 --> 01:35:51.895
finding skulls and bones.

01:35:51.895 --> 01:35:56.305
And, and so I just keep throwing
them into the, into the front garden

01:35:56.305 --> 01:35:58.865
and, uh, my, my little collection.

01:35:58.865 --> 01:36:02.805
And then she's got, um, all the
different food types that are out

01:36:02.805 --> 01:36:06.495
there, but it's, it's amazing what
you can forage and find just growing

01:36:06.495 --> 01:36:08.045
out of the cracks of a sidewalk.

01:36:08.435 --> 01:36:11.835
And once you know what to look for, and
there's a lot of things that are edible.

01:36:12.435 --> 01:36:13.875
But not everything tastes good.

01:36:14.095 --> 01:36:18.735
So understanding how to properly, uh,
prepare things or what to look for.

01:36:19.215 --> 01:36:22.685
Uh, yes, it's something that
we've been exploring and looking

01:36:22.685 --> 01:36:26.025
at and opening up for the members
as well as a, uh, as a service.

01:36:26.034 --> 01:36:28.715
Cause I, I have seen a lot more
interest from people in that.

01:36:28.745 --> 01:36:34.625
And I think the idea of self sufficiency
in people is COVID awakened and it's.

01:36:35.125 --> 01:36:35.935
Absolutely.

01:36:36.175 --> 01:36:37.085
Sabrina Smelko: Perhaps going dormant.

01:36:37.085 --> 01:36:37.905
Even myself.

01:36:37.925 --> 01:36:38.215
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:40.700
Well, you took the firearms course, right?

01:36:40.730 --> 01:36:43.060
Would you, would have you
done that if not for COVID?

01:36:44.270 --> 01:36:45.090
Sabrina Smelko: Probably not.

01:36:45.200 --> 01:36:46.650
No, honestly, I wouldn't have.

01:36:46.669 --> 01:36:50.910
In fact, years ago, I was, my partner
once asked me, would you be ever

01:36:50.910 --> 01:36:54.220
interested in getting your firearms
license or us having something like that?

01:36:54.249 --> 01:36:56.500
And I remember being kind of upset at him.

01:36:56.870 --> 01:37:01.100
To be honest, I was like, no, I,
I, it just, it was an unknown.

01:37:01.110 --> 01:37:02.500
It was a fear based thing.

01:37:02.500 --> 01:37:06.760
And I think that's where a lot of
people come from is you hear gun and

01:37:06.770 --> 01:37:08.580
you just get afraid if you don't know.

01:37:08.580 --> 01:37:10.430
And that comes back to naivety.

01:37:10.440 --> 01:37:11.130
Like I was.

01:37:11.300 --> 01:37:12.750
It's, I didn't, I wasn't educated.

01:37:12.750 --> 01:37:16.960
I didn't know why you maybe would want one
or need one or how they're, how they work.

01:37:17.330 --> 01:37:19.240
Even just the safety aspect of it.

01:37:19.930 --> 01:37:22.930
If you don't know about them, you
think that they're just, it's loose in

01:37:22.930 --> 01:37:26.240
the house and someone's going to walk
in and use it on you or something.

01:37:26.279 --> 01:37:28.809
It's just, you go into
irrational places, right?

01:37:28.830 --> 01:37:34.140
So, but once you start just learning
more about, I mean, we moved out here

01:37:34.140 --> 01:37:36.370
into, we're on like half an acre.

01:37:36.370 --> 01:37:37.300
It's not much, but.

01:37:37.705 --> 01:37:41.235
I think once we moved here and
started just working our land a

01:37:41.235 --> 01:37:43.885
little bit more and being curious.

01:37:43.915 --> 01:37:47.145
I've always loved cooking and
food, but being more curious about

01:37:47.145 --> 01:37:50.465
getting my ingredients from my
garden instead of the grocery store.

01:37:50.465 --> 01:37:55.754
And that was kind of like my
soft launch into being a little

01:37:55.755 --> 01:37:57.215
bit more sovereign, I guess.

01:37:57.215 --> 01:38:00.535
And getting into this stuff and
learning how to protect myself

01:38:00.535 --> 01:38:02.845
and, and, and also hunting.

01:38:02.845 --> 01:38:05.225
I'm definitely curious to
get into that a little bit.

01:38:05.255 --> 01:38:06.894
I love animals.

01:38:06.895 --> 01:38:07.625
So I find that.

01:38:08.015 --> 01:38:12.185
I'm sure is the biggest hurdle for
everybody, but how you guys talk about

01:38:12.185 --> 01:38:15.775
it and what I've learned since just being
more involved in Silvercore is there's

01:38:15.775 --> 01:38:20.585
so much more reverence and respect
for life and for the animals and for

01:38:20.625 --> 01:38:25.005
Earth than I ever would have thought
in this kind of an industry would have.

01:38:25.685 --> 01:38:29.195
Like when I took that, that
course, the, I was just, I mean,

01:38:29.195 --> 01:38:30.305
the instructor was hilarious.

01:38:30.305 --> 01:38:33.845
He had so many great stories,
but even though he had tons of

01:38:33.845 --> 01:38:38.435
dad jokes, you could just, you
couldn't not feel the passion for.

01:38:39.400 --> 01:38:45.920
The respect of the, the craft, the respect
of the animal, if you were to take their

01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:50.910
life for food, like how everything was
talked about and it just made a lot more

01:38:50.910 --> 01:38:55.180
sense to me and it's a lot more holistic
and respectful than I ever imagined.

01:38:55.330 --> 01:39:00.100
Cause you think of it as such a violent
thing or, you know, you just think of war

01:39:00.100 --> 01:39:02.340
when you hear guns, maybe naively, but.

01:39:02.855 --> 01:39:04.815
It's not, that's not what it's about.

01:39:04.815 --> 01:39:07.905
You know, we've had, if you think even
back to our ancestors, thousands of

01:39:07.905 --> 01:39:12.675
years, we've been working with tools
and weapons and guns for our own

01:39:12.675 --> 01:39:15.535
survival or for defense or for food.

01:39:15.535 --> 01:39:17.365
And it's just.

01:39:17.775 --> 01:39:20.525
I don't know that education side
of it has really opened my eyes.

01:39:20.525 --> 01:39:24.445
I didn't, I was definitely naive
about it before and afraid.

01:39:24.515 --> 01:39:28.405
Travis Bader: The conversation has changed
a lot in the last number of years and

01:39:28.995 --> 01:39:31.204
firearms have been vilified and glorified.

01:39:31.674 --> 01:39:33.124
And I think the biggest thing that.

01:39:33.545 --> 01:39:35.755
I can do with silver core.

01:39:35.755 --> 01:39:38.715
And you've been helping a lot with
that is to not make the firearm,

01:39:38.715 --> 01:39:40.095
the object of the intention.

01:39:40.495 --> 01:39:43.485
It just happens to be a tool.

01:39:43.545 --> 01:39:43.935
It happens.

01:39:44.115 --> 01:39:48.704
I mean, the cliche is like Homer Simpson,
the firearms, a tool, like a wrench or

01:39:48.705 --> 01:39:51.325
an alligator, whatever he meant by that.

01:39:51.325 --> 01:39:54.854
And it's, it's just, it's something
that's used, people don't look

01:39:54.854 --> 01:39:57.045
at cars with the same feeling.

01:39:57.070 --> 01:40:01.450
Fear as they would a firearm, because
it's not, although cars are used in,

01:40:01.510 --> 01:40:05.810
in movies and they'll race them around
and they'll do crazy things with them.

01:40:06.090 --> 01:40:06.690
It's.

01:40:07.055 --> 01:40:09.015
You're exposed to them on a daily basis.

01:40:09.015 --> 01:40:12.485
And you realize the fact
that yes, they need respect.

01:40:12.485 --> 01:40:12.785
Yes.

01:40:12.805 --> 01:40:13.995
You have to handle them properly.

01:40:13.995 --> 01:40:14.305
Yes.

01:40:14.305 --> 01:40:18.135
They can cause horrific
injuries and death, but they

01:40:18.135 --> 01:40:22.734
serve a purpose and they're not
inherently bad in their own right.

01:40:22.745 --> 01:40:27.144
The people who misuse them and, uh,
operate motor vehicles under the

01:40:27.144 --> 01:40:29.874
influence or inappropriate ways.

01:40:30.074 --> 01:40:30.404
Yeah.

01:40:30.424 --> 01:40:31.705
We got to crack down on that.

01:40:32.005 --> 01:40:35.705
That same sort of connection
doesn't seem to be made with.

01:40:36.295 --> 01:40:39.945
Firearms, because there's an
emotional attachment to it.

01:40:40.265 --> 01:40:46.564
And I see the, the way to move past
that is just to highlight the, the

01:40:46.565 --> 01:40:50.975
individuals, highlight the process,
whether that be somebody who's working

01:40:50.975 --> 01:40:55.494
in remote wilderness areas, I mean, who
would want to tell them they can't defend

01:40:55.494 --> 01:40:57.495
themselves from a predatory animal.

01:40:58.215 --> 01:40:59.425
If someone's going to eat meat.

01:41:00.305 --> 01:41:00.825
Okay.

01:41:00.835 --> 01:41:04.025
Squaring yourself with the fact that
at some point an animal has to die

01:41:04.025 --> 01:41:08.895
in order to do that, hunting is a,
I don't think everybody should hunt.

01:41:08.935 --> 01:41:12.045
I mean, I don't think there's enough
room out there if everybody wants to be

01:41:12.045 --> 01:41:16.964
out hunting, uh, and it's not, it's not
for everybody, but those who wish to

01:41:16.975 --> 01:41:21.285
do it, I think should treat it with the
reverence and respect that's required.

01:41:21.285 --> 01:41:26.155
And that requires you to understand the,
the animals and your, what the habitat

01:41:26.185 --> 01:41:28.165
and the, uh, the flora, the fauna.

01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:33.430
And your own physical capabilities
with, uh, the tools that you,

01:41:33.500 --> 01:41:34.520
that you bring out with you.

01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:39.640
So I think that's the biggest thing that
we try to get across with Silvercore.

01:41:40.290 --> 01:41:42.640
It's not yay gun or bad gun.

01:41:42.640 --> 01:41:45.200
It's just, what is it
you're trying to achieve?

01:41:45.200 --> 01:41:47.670
And firearm just happens
to be one part of that.

01:41:48.060 --> 01:41:48.220
Sabrina Smelko: Yeah.

01:41:48.220 --> 01:41:49.380
You guys did a great job of that.

01:41:49.430 --> 01:41:51.230
I, I want to take more courses.

01:41:51.230 --> 01:41:51.760
That's for sure.

01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:52.990
Travis Bader: Thank you.

01:41:53.375 --> 01:41:53.705
Thank you.

01:41:55.225 --> 01:41:55.735
Alrighty.

01:41:55.785 --> 01:41:58.465
Is there anything else we should
be talking about before we wrap up?

01:42:00.675 --> 01:42:02.925
Sabrina Smelko: Might be interesting
to chat about that viral video.

01:42:02.975 --> 01:42:06.685
I don't know, or what virality is
or something I've been thinking

01:42:06.685 --> 01:42:10.905
about a lot lately is do brands
want to go viral because what that

01:42:10.905 --> 01:42:13.515
actually means is really interesting.

01:42:13.535 --> 01:42:18.705
And I've been listening to a lot of
podcasts lately and just yesterday

01:42:18.705 --> 01:42:22.615
there was one with a company who I
think their, their company name is.

01:42:23.655 --> 01:42:27.075
I don't know if it's go viral or viral
ish, something like that, but they

01:42:27.395 --> 01:42:31.675
specialize in creating viral videos
and every video they make is viral.

01:42:31.675 --> 01:42:35.085
It gets millions of views, but
they talked about something really

01:42:35.085 --> 01:42:37.304
interesting, which was that not all.

01:42:37.684 --> 01:42:41.194
Well, what my takeaway was is that
not all brands should want to go viral

01:42:41.215 --> 01:42:44.585
because in order to go viral, you have to.

01:42:45.390 --> 01:42:50.880
Invoke a very, very polarized
feeling in people and get a

01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:53.020
very strong emotional reaction.

01:42:53.050 --> 01:42:56.109
And for a lot of brands,
that's just not appropriate.

01:42:56.120 --> 01:43:00.339
You don't want to like for some
brands that are about being

01:43:00.450 --> 01:43:04.309
harmonious or Zen, you're not
going to want a viral video because

01:43:04.695 --> 01:43:08.315
automatically viral videos, they're
that viral because they're polarized.

01:43:08.355 --> 01:43:10.285
People are posting them
because they're pissed at it.

01:43:10.635 --> 01:43:11.625
They're mad at it.

01:43:11.895 --> 01:43:13.524
They're happy about it.

01:43:13.565 --> 01:43:16.555
It's, it's, you're trying to
get an emotion out of somebody.

01:43:16.555 --> 01:43:20.575
And fear is one of the biggest ones
that we work on or, or that feeling of

01:43:20.725 --> 01:43:23.565
suspense, but that's not necessarily.

01:43:23.835 --> 01:43:27.935
Something that a brand should want,
because the value of that might

01:43:27.935 --> 01:43:29.675
not align with your brand values.

01:43:29.735 --> 01:43:34.214
So, I find it really interesting that
people think they want to go viral, but I

01:43:34.215 --> 01:43:35.615
don't think it's necessarily appropriate.

01:43:35.644 --> 01:43:39.064
And it doesn't necessarily give you
the audience that you're looking for.

01:43:39.075 --> 01:43:41.925
It might give you a lot of views,
it'll get you a lot of eyeballs,

01:43:41.925 --> 01:43:43.105
it'll get you a lot of attention.

01:43:43.705 --> 01:43:45.535
But it's going to be from one off people.

01:43:45.565 --> 01:43:48.425
It's going to be from people who are
reacting to it and sharing it because

01:43:48.645 --> 01:43:52.335
they reacted, and they know that their
followers are going to react like them.

01:43:52.695 --> 01:43:57.755
But that reaction might not necessarily
be positive or, or negative.

01:43:57.755 --> 01:44:01.475
It might be more personal
or emotional and fear based.

01:44:01.485 --> 01:44:04.555
And I just don't know that that's
something every brand should

01:44:04.565 --> 01:44:04.835
Travis Bader: have.

01:44:05.555 --> 01:44:06.475
I can see that.

01:44:06.525 --> 01:44:10.195
Unless it's like a sneezing panda or
something that, uh, wakes up the mom.

01:44:10.275 --> 01:44:13.075
Like there's, there are viral
videos out there that they go around

01:44:13.075 --> 01:44:16.045
that aren't necessarily fear based
and everyone's, oh, that's cute.

01:44:16.995 --> 01:44:17.905
But you're right.

01:44:18.310 --> 01:44:20.130
Does that bring you an
audience that you want?

01:44:20.130 --> 01:44:22.280
I think the biggest thing that
somebody could be looking for

01:44:22.290 --> 01:44:24.020
more than virality is engagement.

01:44:24.420 --> 01:44:29.100
And having engagement that's
done in a positive way that goes

01:44:29.100 --> 01:44:33.379
towards whatever that North star
of the business has is fantastic.

01:44:33.379 --> 01:44:39.630
Like I know the formula on the podcast
to having greater hits and views.

01:44:39.659 --> 01:44:42.060
I can look through the
metrics and I can see that.

01:44:42.550 --> 01:44:48.690
Um, we will have special forces people
on, and we will highlight keywords

01:44:48.760 --> 01:44:52.110
and have thumbnails up to kind of
click, get them to click into it.

01:44:52.480 --> 01:44:57.290
Or we will have a politically
divisive topics that we can talk

01:44:57.300 --> 01:44:59.110
about to get people fired up.

01:45:00.110 --> 01:45:05.420
I mean, sure we can do that, but my
goal of this whole podcast anyways,

01:45:05.440 --> 01:45:09.410
isn't to try and get people fired up
once in a while it's important and

01:45:09.410 --> 01:45:13.219
there's a message that needs to come
out, but, uh, by and large, the goal is

01:45:13.220 --> 01:45:14.960
to bring positivity into their lives.

01:45:14.960 --> 01:45:18.940
And the people who want to be along for
the ride are engaging and they are talking

01:45:18.940 --> 01:45:20.690
and they're sharing it with other people.

01:45:21.060 --> 01:45:22.430
Who are, who are like minded.

01:45:22.460 --> 01:45:24.140
Do I want that to be viral?

01:45:24.650 --> 01:45:28.390
Well, maybe in so far as I'd like a lot
of people, it would be nice to surround

01:45:28.390 --> 01:45:31.880
yourself with a lot of like minded
people who want to work and strive to be

01:45:31.880 --> 01:45:37.660
better, but in the same breath, having
that opposition to it is important just

01:45:37.660 --> 01:45:42.119
so you can have a, uh, a more balanced
approach to what you're doing and you

01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:43.610
don't end up in that echo chamber.

01:45:43.980 --> 01:45:44.330
Yeah.

01:45:45.150 --> 01:45:46.650
Sabrina Smelko: But
yeah, the engagement is.

01:45:47.065 --> 01:45:48.645
Far more important than the views.

01:45:48.695 --> 01:45:49.285
Absolutely.

01:45:49.295 --> 01:45:50.295
Especially this day and age.

01:45:50.295 --> 01:45:53.745
I mean, on half the videos of the
brands you follow they hide their

01:45:53.805 --> 01:46:00.884
likes anyhow, so it's Oh, yeah,
you can hide likes you can hide

01:46:01.045 --> 01:46:05.395
comments it's Very sneaky with it.

01:46:05.495 --> 01:46:05.975
Okay.

01:46:06.195 --> 01:46:06.895
I'd say it's pretty common.

01:46:06.915 --> 01:46:07.225
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:46:07.295 --> 01:46:07.905
Interesting.

01:46:07.905 --> 01:46:11.165
Cause I see people and they've got
just massive followings and they'll

01:46:11.165 --> 01:46:15.225
post something and they'll have
less likes on it than something

01:46:15.225 --> 01:46:20.035
that we put up with a fraction of
the number, uh, or less engagement

01:46:20.035 --> 01:46:22.055
on it or posting every single day.

01:46:22.055 --> 01:46:24.165
And it looks like there's
a, there's a huge presence.

01:46:24.535 --> 01:46:26.345
It's just adding noise,

01:46:26.445 --> 01:46:27.055
Sabrina Smelko: essentially.

01:46:27.185 --> 01:46:27.825
Exactly.

01:46:28.025 --> 01:46:28.245
Yeah.

01:46:28.655 --> 01:46:28.855
Yeah.

01:46:28.855 --> 01:46:32.435
That's what I think people more than
virality, people should be going for that

01:46:32.445 --> 01:46:36.064
word, the engagement and the community
and keeping that community because

01:46:36.065 --> 01:46:38.064
viral can mean those people go away.

01:46:38.615 --> 01:46:42.145
Um, but when you have an engaged
community of followers, the people

01:46:42.145 --> 01:46:44.074
already following you, if they are.

01:46:45.005 --> 01:46:48.835
Looking at your stuff because it's
educational enough, that's, that is true

01:46:48.835 --> 01:46:52.665
virality more for me, where you have
someone who's willing to listen and who

01:46:52.695 --> 01:46:56.294
opens your newsletter when they get sent
it, as opposed to, ah, that was just a

01:46:56.294 --> 01:46:58.395
crazy video of a panda, LOL, you know?

01:46:59.414 --> 01:47:01.634
Travis Bader: Well, how do you,
how do you build community and

01:47:01.635 --> 01:47:02.834
how do you maintain community?

01:47:02.845 --> 01:47:04.985
What are the biggest keys that
somebody would be looking for?

01:47:06.040 --> 01:47:07.800
Sabrina Smelko: I think you actually
said it really well when you were

01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:10.340
talking about giving speeches or talks.

01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:13.540
Um, I think it was when I was asked,
I asked you about being comfortable

01:47:13.540 --> 01:47:19.129
public speaking and you said you felt
comfortable when you were educating or

01:47:19.130 --> 01:47:23.000
thinking of someone in the audience as
one person and trying to think of the

01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:24.650
value you could give that one person.

01:47:24.650 --> 01:47:28.240
And I think that's how people should
think about their Instagram or social

01:47:28.240 --> 01:47:32.760
media as well is the way to get the
most engagement is to just speak

01:47:32.760 --> 01:47:34.619
to one person and make it relevant.

01:47:34.890 --> 01:47:35.730
For that person.

01:47:36.240 --> 01:47:40.220
And the easiest way to do that is
making it relevant for yourself because

01:47:40.220 --> 01:47:41.770
there's other people who think like you.

01:47:41.770 --> 01:47:43.970
There's probably hundreds of
thousands of people who might

01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:45.440
have that similar thought as you.

01:47:46.020 --> 01:47:50.480
So I think just appealing to yourself
and appealing to that one person.

01:47:50.480 --> 01:47:54.040
Don't try and please the
demographic of 20 to 40 or you know.

01:47:54.685 --> 01:47:58.985
Female and male, let's find like,
what is the common denominator?

01:47:59.195 --> 01:48:03.545
Just speak to one person, the one
person who's probably the most like

01:48:03.545 --> 01:48:06.775
you, the person who's probably the
most like what you want to hear and

01:48:07.025 --> 01:48:09.495
share about is that relatability.

01:48:09.535 --> 01:48:12.555
Cause if you are inauthentic and
you're sharing something, that's not

01:48:12.994 --> 01:48:17.375
you or you don't care about, people
can pick that up in a heartbeat.

01:48:17.375 --> 01:48:17.705
Right?

01:48:17.775 --> 01:48:18.085
Is there

01:48:18.085 --> 01:48:18.795
Travis Bader: a pitfall?

01:48:18.935 --> 01:48:22.085
Cause I've thought about this a lot,
like originally building Silvercore,

01:48:22.125 --> 01:48:23.685
wanted it separate from myself.

01:48:24.435 --> 01:48:29.885
And we spoke about that earlier,
but the pitfall of always having

01:48:29.885 --> 01:48:35.025
the same face, the same person,
the same, the person becoming the

01:48:35.025 --> 01:48:40.845
brand, uh, As is there a pitfall
for scalability and sustainability?

01:48:42.115 --> 01:48:42.825
I don't think so.

01:48:43.165 --> 01:48:45.345
Sabrina Smelko: No, no, I don't.

01:48:45.355 --> 01:48:48.025
Because think about a person.

01:48:49.274 --> 01:48:53.774
We're so unique and so rich with
so much story and so many things.

01:48:53.785 --> 01:48:56.965
You could tell a new story tomorrow
that someone will relate to.

01:48:57.220 --> 01:49:00.070
That they've never heard before,
but it's still familiar to them.

01:49:00.070 --> 01:49:03.250
'cause there's some kind of
recognition, oh, I had a similar

01:49:03.370 --> 01:49:05.200
upbringing or a similar experience.

01:49:05.200 --> 01:49:05.201
Hmm.

01:49:05.830 --> 01:49:08.710
I don't think it's, it's, I think
a person is so unending and that's

01:49:08.710 --> 01:49:13.310
why I think an individual, being a
single person as a brand, I think

01:49:13.310 --> 01:49:15.080
there's totally opportunity to grow.

01:49:15.080 --> 01:49:20.750
I've seen many single influencers, I guess
is one of the biggest spaces I see a lot

01:49:20.750 --> 01:49:25.850
in where it starts as one person, then
they end up creating a, a clothing line

01:49:25.855 --> 01:49:28.125
or, or, Cosmetic company or something.

01:49:28.125 --> 01:49:30.725
And that passion it's still from them.

01:49:30.725 --> 01:49:33.355
There's still the spokesperson for
it, but you can still grow a team.

01:49:33.355 --> 01:49:35.104
You can still do other things.

01:49:35.915 --> 01:49:36.165
Yeah.

01:49:36.165 --> 01:49:40.874
I don't think it's a mistake to, you know,
you can name yourself a fun pseudonym.

01:49:40.895 --> 01:49:44.435
So if you don't want to call
yourself Travis, but you're still

01:49:44.435 --> 01:49:47.735
Travis, you're still, it's still
you individually as a brand.

01:49:48.095 --> 01:49:51.615
It's all of your interests and all
of the offshoots, but it still comes

01:49:51.615 --> 01:49:58.795
down to, if you were removed from
Silvercore, would it still be kept going?

01:49:58.855 --> 01:50:01.925
Probably by Tiff, because she's
awesome, but you know what I mean, like

01:50:01.925 --> 01:50:06.135
it's still, it's you, it's you as an
individual is the brand, it just happens

01:50:06.135 --> 01:50:09.085
to not be called your name, it just
happens to be called something else.

01:50:09.325 --> 01:50:11.185
But everything that you explore,
everything you talk about,

01:50:11.185 --> 01:50:14.375
everything you share and teach
is your passion, your interests.

01:50:14.375 --> 01:50:15.965
Otherwise it wouldn't exist.

01:50:17.065 --> 01:50:18.165
Travis Bader: Interesting perspective.

01:50:18.165 --> 01:50:21.385
Cause I've always looked at it
on the other side, that it would

01:50:21.405 --> 01:50:24.154
be nice to have something that
can grow independent of you.

01:50:24.265 --> 01:50:27.625
If you were out of it, does
the whole thing fall apart?

01:50:27.944 --> 01:50:30.795
And that's, that was my original
endeavor with Silvercore.

01:50:30.795 --> 01:50:34.955
And I spent about 20 years
doing that, moving down that

01:50:34.955 --> 01:50:36.495
path till I finally realized.

01:50:37.075 --> 01:50:40.485
Okay, I'm going to have to, I'm
going to have to share a bit more

01:50:40.485 --> 01:50:44.035
about myself and I'm going to have to
interject and make it clear for people

01:50:44.035 --> 01:50:48.255
what it is, what our mission is and
why we're working in a certain way.

01:50:48.255 --> 01:50:53.035
So we can attract the right kind of
people, the people who are supposed to

01:50:53.035 --> 01:50:54.994
be along the ride with you on this one.

01:50:55.974 --> 01:50:56.374
Yeah.

01:50:56.605 --> 01:50:58.915
Sabrina Smelko: And it will
live past you only because.

01:50:59.385 --> 01:51:02.815
You've recognized that it is you,
and it would be your interests,

01:51:02.865 --> 01:51:06.315
passions, and things that you've
packaged is the legacy of it.

01:51:06.425 --> 01:51:09.645
Like, after you leave, should your
children or something decide to

01:51:09.645 --> 01:51:13.345
continue it, I still think that you
are the individual at the heart of it.

01:51:13.574 --> 01:51:15.745
Just because you've gone and
passed doesn't mean anything.

01:51:15.755 --> 01:51:20.235
Your legacy, your individual ness,
is still why that brand exists.

01:51:20.805 --> 01:51:25.215
So, yeah, as a single individual,
I mean, that's, that's...

01:51:26.085 --> 01:51:26.565
That's it.

01:51:26.615 --> 01:51:27.875
You can be whatever you want.

01:51:28.165 --> 01:51:29.535
Every single company even.

01:51:30.315 --> 01:51:33.155
We watched a documentary
last night about Nike and the

01:51:33.155 --> 01:51:34.854
founders and all of that story.

01:51:34.855 --> 01:51:37.305
And it's funny to still think that
it's still just these individual

01:51:37.305 --> 01:51:38.505
people at the end of the day.

01:51:38.775 --> 01:51:39.925
You know, it still lives without them.

01:51:39.925 --> 01:51:40.555
It's a legacy.

01:51:40.555 --> 01:51:41.295
It's Nike.

01:51:41.905 --> 01:51:43.635
Everyone knows about it.

01:51:43.654 --> 01:51:45.775
If he passes away, it still continues.

01:51:45.795 --> 01:51:50.635
But I still attribute that brand is
only there because one individual

01:51:50.645 --> 01:51:52.645
gave enough of a crap to make it.

01:51:52.960 --> 01:51:55.150
That was, I think of it still as a person.

01:51:55.290 --> 01:51:56.010
Travis Bader: It was Phil Knight.

01:51:56.040 --> 01:51:58.990
I think I read his book
shoe dog sometime ago.

01:51:59.575 --> 01:52:03.365
First half of the book, I think was
well, uh, a bit more thought out

01:52:03.365 --> 01:52:04.505
than the second half of the book.

01:52:04.545 --> 01:52:05.775
But, um, uh.

01:52:05.775 --> 01:52:06.525
Yeah, he seems like

01:52:06.525 --> 01:52:07.475
Sabrina Smelko: an interesting guy.

01:52:08.065 --> 01:52:09.094
Travis Bader: Totally interesting guy.

01:52:09.095 --> 01:52:13.295
And the one thing that was surprising
was just how, pardon the pun, but he

01:52:13.295 --> 01:52:18.455
was operating on a shoestring budget for
almost the entirety of Nike's career.

01:52:18.455 --> 01:52:21.765
For the majority of the time
when they were presenting so big.

01:52:21.990 --> 01:52:24.980
And they look like they're just a
force to be reckoned with and he is

01:52:24.990 --> 01:52:30.360
just scraping things by and, and then
his legal troubles that he had later

01:52:30.360 --> 01:52:32.740
on where, where he was able to win.

01:52:32.750 --> 01:52:36.079
That was, that was, I thought that was
an interesting part of the battle, the,

01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:42.020
uh, um, how the, uh, judicial system in
the, um, the government just tried to

01:52:42.020 --> 01:52:44.800
hammer down on him and lost essentially.

01:52:44.810 --> 01:52:45.300
Oh, interesting.

01:52:45.320 --> 01:52:45.600
Huh?

01:52:45.640 --> 01:52:46.320
Sabrina Smelko: I don't know
if they talked about that.

01:52:46.320 --> 01:52:47.410
I never got to that part of it.

01:52:47.705 --> 01:52:48.805
No, it wasn't in the movie.

01:52:48.925 --> 01:52:50.685
What was interesting was the movie.

01:52:50.695 --> 01:52:52.615
It's kind of sort of around
what we're talking about.

01:52:52.825 --> 01:52:56.444
It's all about getting Michael
Jordan and signing him.

01:52:56.585 --> 01:53:01.064
Um, and that was so
revolutionary at the time.

01:53:01.064 --> 01:53:03.375
And it makes me think back to like
these people who are just willing

01:53:03.375 --> 01:53:05.965
to do things a little differently
and be a little innovative.

01:53:06.315 --> 01:53:08.775
There was just a guy who
worked there named Sonny.

01:53:08.985 --> 01:53:12.545
I forget what his position was, but he was
basically like the basketball division.

01:53:14.690 --> 01:53:16.760
And it was the most unsuccessful thing.

01:53:16.770 --> 01:53:19.410
Nike was like, had 17% of the market.

01:53:19.410 --> 01:53:20.690
Converse had 23.

01:53:20.700 --> 01:53:27.210
Adidas had like, Nike was like the
crappy brand, like no one bought

01:53:27.210 --> 01:53:29.440
Nike, it was Adidas and Converse.

01:53:29.950 --> 01:53:34.190
And basketball was like the big way
that they marketed themselves and

01:53:34.219 --> 01:53:37.640
every single company would hire two,
three, four different basketball

01:53:37.640 --> 01:53:39.010
players to promote their shoes.

01:53:39.129 --> 01:53:44.730
And you know, you give them each 50 grand
for a total of the 250, 000 for the year

01:53:44.730 --> 01:53:46.440
for your marketing budget with these guys.

01:53:47.180 --> 01:53:51.540
And it doesn't seem novel now, but at
the time, Sonny, who worked at Nike, was

01:53:51.540 --> 01:53:53.770
like, No one's gonna want to sign with us.

01:53:53.780 --> 01:53:54.850
We're the crappy company.

01:53:55.520 --> 01:53:59.930
Instead of offering all these low
picks, like the, you know, getting

01:53:59.930 --> 01:54:03.320
player number 10, 11, and 12,
why don't we go for number one?

01:54:03.369 --> 01:54:05.320
Why don't we sign Michael Jordan?

01:54:05.570 --> 01:54:09.450
But we'll only do that if we pool all of
the money that we would have given all

01:54:09.450 --> 01:54:13.730
the other athletes, we work with him a
little bit better, and Sonny specifically.

01:54:13.960 --> 01:54:16.260
was just saw something in Michael Jordan.

01:54:16.260 --> 01:54:19.040
He saw his potential and he saw
that he was an innovative player.

01:54:19.040 --> 01:54:22.240
He saw that he was going to be
something and he just believed in him.

01:54:22.770 --> 01:54:27.310
And so they offered him the contract
and he ended up obviously signing

01:54:27.310 --> 01:54:30.030
with Nike and it ended up being
the most successful deal in the

01:54:30.030 --> 01:54:32.119
world of both the Jordans and Nike.

01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:39.175
And, and the whole point of it was
he signed with the 1% of getting 1%

01:54:39.175 --> 01:54:41.155
of the revenue from every shoe sold.

01:54:41.835 --> 01:54:45.535
And just thinking about that being
new back then, now it's pretty

01:54:45.535 --> 01:54:49.305
normal for athletes or artists or
whatever to get a royalty percentage.

01:54:49.334 --> 01:54:53.365
But this was only 30, 40 years ago.

01:54:53.395 --> 01:54:54.264
It wasn't that long ago.

01:54:54.284 --> 01:54:56.034
It's just, it's not that long ago.

01:54:56.035 --> 01:54:59.055
And whenever I hear these stories,
it inspires me for other people

01:54:59.055 --> 01:55:00.225
to start their own things.

01:55:00.525 --> 01:55:03.075
Or just be inventive or think
of a different way to do it.

01:55:03.075 --> 01:55:03.285
Like...

01:55:04.170 --> 01:55:08.100
That was crazy for Sonny at the
time to offer them 1% of it, like,

01:55:08.110 --> 01:55:11.850
they thought the board members
and all the people at the table

01:55:11.850 --> 01:55:13.470
of Nike were gonna say no, and...

01:55:14.150 --> 01:55:16.090
But that's what ended up
making their whole business.

01:55:16.110 --> 01:55:18.460
And it was just that wild ass idea.

01:55:18.490 --> 01:55:23.130
Like having a little bit of a side idea
and a little bit of a passion, just seeing

01:55:23.130 --> 01:55:25.170
something and doing it a different way.

01:55:25.170 --> 01:55:29.190
Like it wasn't the normal thing
is find three athletes, get

01:55:29.190 --> 01:55:30.550
three of them, three commercials.

01:55:31.260 --> 01:55:34.500
It's not that crazy innovative
to say, what about just one?

01:55:34.590 --> 01:55:35.580
Well, where do you see the fact

01:55:35.580 --> 01:55:38.060
Travis Bader: then it was, what
do you see the future of social

01:55:38.230 --> 01:55:39.690
media and social marketing?

01:55:42.030 --> 01:55:43.260
Is AI going to take over?

01:55:44.215 --> 01:55:45.415
Sabrina Smelko: No, gosh, no.

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I think I, I love AI actually,
which might be a funny thing to say

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because it could kind of replace a
lot of my jobs, but I see it as the

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perfect count, uncreative counterpart.

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Personally, I feel like
I have so many ideas.

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The creativity is just kind of
overwhelming and I find AI so helpful

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for the fact side of things and To
a previous podcast guest you had on.

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Hmm.

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He talked about how you can never
replace human creativity and innovation.

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Hmm.

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And I think when you combine your thoughts
and creativity and ideas with a tool like

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I AI that could help you come up with a
framework for something fast, or write a

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business plan fast or do something fast,
I think the more that we use these kind

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of technologies and tools, the faster
that you can make use of your creativity

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because you're, it's gonna spawn things
and you're gonna think of stuff and.

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It's not good.

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When you tell it to write an Instagram
caption, it's a piece of crap.

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It's not good.

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But, it might say a word, or it might
pair two words, or it might bring

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up a new way of saying something
that makes you think differently.

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So I like using AI as like an inspiration
tool to like, to trigger me, almost.

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If I use it enough and I give it
enough prompts and I use it in the

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right ways, it's gonna help my mind
and my creativity and my imagination

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sort itself out a little bit better.

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So I think it's positive because I
think the combination of what it can

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do with our innovation and creativity
and the fact that it doesn't have

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that side, I think it's pretty cool.

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So I think the future would
be that everybody is...

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Kind of, it's like going back in time
and in the future at once where I think

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everyone's gonna be a service person,
kind of Like back in Pilgrim times where

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there's gonna be the, not necessarily
a blacksmith and a baker Maybe it's

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gonna be more like, maybe Like I just,
I kind of see that returning a little

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bit where everyone has an individual
gift and skill and we're all just

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gonna Contribute that to the world
And we can all swap those services.

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We can work with each other.

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I just think with social media, yeah,
like you, you don't have to have a big

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shop or retail store e commerce site.

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You could just offer facts.

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You could just offer a service.

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You could just offer, I bake
this and I show you how to do it.

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It's just, I see social media.

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I think it's so positive because
it can help us share skills and

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grow skills and promote our skills.

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So that's what I'm excited to use it for.

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And I've always seen the glass
half full though, on social media,

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whenever people are negative about
it, I tend to question them a little

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Travis Bader: bit.

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All it is, is a mirror.

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What you're seeing is what,
what you've been looking at.

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Sabrina Smelko: Exactly.

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Yep.

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So if you don't like your social, you're
following it, but your feed sucks.

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Like follow better people, you know,
totally get, get inspired, use it

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for fun and back to being in, having
enjoyment in life and having fun with it.

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It can be a place that's positive for you.

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If you curate it to

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Travis Bader: be, well, what
I'm going to do is I'm going

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to put some links in the bio.

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So anybody who wants to learn more
about you can click on that and they

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can find out more about what you do.

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Sabrina.

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Thank you so much for being on the
Silvercore podcast and all the work

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and help you've provided in the past.

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Really appreciate it.

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Oh,

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Sabrina Smelko: thank you
so much for having me.

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I appreciate you taking the time and
I'm sure I could have talked for another

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few hours with you, but we got to wrap

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Travis Bader: somewhere.

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I love it.

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We'll do that too.

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Take care.