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<v Speaker 1>So, Jeff, one of my favorite movies. At the very end,

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<v Speaker 1>they both end up dying in an arena, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she says, honor him. He is a citizen of Rome.

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<v Speaker 2>I know this, Yes, Gladiator it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And they leave Caesar, which everybody just did not like

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<v Speaker 1>in the movie, and they pick up this Gladiator. Well, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it reminds me of that because today Paul is going

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<v Speaker 1>to defend his Roman citizenship.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there we go. He's Chris and I'm Jeff, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're the Bob guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Jeff, we have stumped the pastor today. Fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they are fun. And so this comes in from Mike G,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike G. Hi, Mike G.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's the same Mike G. I

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<v Speaker 1>have lunch with tomorrow. Maybe. But it is a tough question.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh well, I mean yeah, I don't think it's tough.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a big question though. Okay, So here's how

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<v Speaker 1>it reached. There are a lot of people who believe

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<v Speaker 1>that you only need to do good deeds or good

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<v Speaker 1>acts in order to get to heaven. And here's the question.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know where this idea originated from? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, okay, that's hard. Is he asking for a

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<v Speaker 2>full blown history lesson?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I So usually we ask

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<v Speaker 2>our questions from our own context, right that we're aware

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<v Speaker 2>that there are a lot of people now today who

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<v Speaker 2>think you're supposed to do good deeds in order to

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<v Speaker 2>get to heaven, right, and that would be based on

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<v Speaker 2>our religious backgrounds, particularly the raious denominations. But if you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying where does it come from, fundamentally, it comes from

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that most of us lean towards humanism anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>that the humans are the star of the story, and

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<v Speaker 2>that we we want to think that we participate in

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<v Speaker 2>some significant way, that we earn salvation by doing good works.

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<v Speaker 2>And it can be frustrating to some people to find

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<v Speaker 2>out it's purely by faith because of God's grace, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you feel like you should be doing something, should

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<v Speaker 2>cost you something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you know, many times when I give the Gospel,

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<v Speaker 1>I always say, you know, most people seem to somehow

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<v Speaker 1>think that at the end of their lives, they're good

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<v Speaker 1>has to weigh they're bad. Right, you know, it's like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some great cosmic scale, right, supposed to tip to

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<v Speaker 2>the good instead of the bad. And the Egyptians believed

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<v Speaker 2>that and their resurrection stories in the Book of the Dead.

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<v Speaker 2>They believe that at the end, your good deeds and

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<v Speaker 2>your bad deeds are put on there be a feather

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<v Speaker 2>they set on the scales and literally a scale. The

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<v Speaker 2>Greeks believe that there's going to be some kind of scale.

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<v Speaker 2>That's been a part of human history, that this humanistic

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<v Speaker 2>view that somehow my good outweighs my bad should earn

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<v Speaker 2>me eternity.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. And so another thing that I always say is

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<v Speaker 1>I always say, even if you don't know anything but

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible, the one thing that I think most people understand,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is that this is the main reason why

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<v Speaker 1>I think we get confused, because we just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>know that, like it's filled with rules and commandments. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we've heard thou shalt and thou shalt knots. We've heard

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<v Speaker 1>people say, don't do that, it's bad. It's in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>So we know it's filled with commandments. And so we

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<v Speaker 1>also know that he's you know, he's pleased when we

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<v Speaker 1>do well, and he's not pleased whether we disobey or

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<v Speaker 1>willfully sin. So the idea that there's rules and commandments

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bible that we've heard that without hearing the

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<v Speaker 1>entire truth just tells us like, hey, we not even

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<v Speaker 1>have interesting God, but I think we do know that

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<v Speaker 1>he has rules.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. And then even understanding that, by the time

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<v Speaker 2>Paul is writing the Book of Romans that's fifty five

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<v Speaker 2>fifty four AD. When he's writing the Book of Galatians,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, the Judaizers had risen up. Even in what Acts,

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<v Speaker 2>chapter fifteen, the Judaizers had risen up and begun to say, well, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>salvation is by grace through faith, plus you also have

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<v Speaker 2>to be circumstanced and obey the laws of God. It's

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<v Speaker 2>salvation through faith in Christ plus good.

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<v Speaker 1>Works Jesus plus jump through these oops. That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that's really at the root of

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<v Speaker 2>this question of you know, people earning their way to salvation.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people say, oh, no, I believe that you have

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<v Speaker 2>to have faith in Jesus, and I believe that if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't keep all the ten commandments you can't go

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<v Speaker 2>to heaven. Right, And Paul says, all the commandments were

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<v Speaker 2>given to us to prove to us we're not able

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<v Speaker 2>to keep all the commandments. If you break any part

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<v Speaker 2>of it, you've broken all of it, James says, And

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<v Speaker 2>so you know it's Ephesians chapter two, verses eight nine.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, for by grace are you saved through faith?

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<v Speaker 2>He said, it's a gift of God. At the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of verse nine, it says, salvation is not a reward

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<v Speaker 2>for the good things we've done.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't think of a more clear statement than

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<v Speaker 2>that in the whole Bible. What is the phrase to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Salvation is not a reward for the good things we've done.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean? It means Let me think about

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<v Speaker 2>it real quick. Salvation is not a reward that the

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<v Speaker 2>things we've done. That's what means.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So then then I have to figure out what is

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<v Speaker 2>that mechanism. And he's so clear. What's the mechanism for salvation.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so clear in his writing salvation is because of

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<v Speaker 2>God's grace. God gives us what we don't deserve, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a free gift offered to us, and we receive

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<v Speaker 2>it by faith. Faith just meaning having enough willingness to

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<v Speaker 2>turn to God and say God, I can't do it

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<v Speaker 2>on my own, but I accept your gift, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And towards the beginning of the Book of Romans, and

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<v Speaker 1>he says, you know, we have righteousness, and he says,

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<v Speaker 1>this right standing with God comes from God, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a part from ourselves that's right, and it's a part

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<v Speaker 1>from the law that's right, right, which means like commandments.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the idea that over and over again he

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<v Speaker 1>talks about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think, so then the law, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just insert there. So then the rules, the

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<v Speaker 2>guidelines for life. Don't kill, don't steal, don't commit adultery, right,

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<v Speaker 2>keep yourself apart and separate from clean from the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Come up from among them and be separate, says the Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll be like a father. You be like my

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<v Speaker 2>children to me. All of those things now are not

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<v Speaker 2>for salvation. They're because of salvation. We choose to live

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<v Speaker 2>clean lives for God, because we're grateful for what he did,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than trying to live clean lives in order to

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<v Speaker 2>appease God. Right, right, there's a big gives you those

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<v Speaker 2>two things. So Jesus ultimately says, if you love me,

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<v Speaker 2>keep my commandments. So now it's just my choice to

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<v Speaker 2>try to live as best I can, even though I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a sinner, I try to live as best I can,

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<v Speaker 2>as clean and as well as I can. Is just

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of say to Jesus on a daily basis,

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<v Speaker 2>I love you, and so I want to offer myself

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<v Speaker 2>as clean as I can to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I'll just say to Mike g directly. So

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<v Speaker 1>not only did the idea you know, come from outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bible, you know, like you mentioned it, like

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<v Speaker 1>the like the Ethiopians, or the he said the Egyptians,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you said the Romans, and oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Greeks. So the idea that that you have to

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<v Speaker 1>behave or you know, perform you to heaven has come

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<v Speaker 1>from without, you know, outside of the Bible. But then

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<v Speaker 1>all so, even the entire Old Testament, you know, up

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<v Speaker 1>until Jesus came, there were rules that you had to

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<v Speaker 1>follow and and even even for salvation, you had to

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<v Speaker 1>atone for your sins by you know, offering sacrifices, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>own Bible that we believe. But then Jesus came and

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, the difference is, so Jesus didn't come and

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<v Speaker 2>changed that. Jesus came and fulfilled it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus was the atonement.

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<v Speaker 1>He changed our requirements.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So Jesus was the atonement for salvation. So the

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<v Speaker 2>requirement salvation was sacrifice. The innocent died for the guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>But then Jesus is the Lamb of God and he

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<v Speaker 2>is the atonement for us. So the mechanism for salvation,

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<v Speaker 2>the sacrifice for salvation, is the same. The difference was

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<v Speaker 2>all the rules built around it. People took that as

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<v Speaker 2>also contributing to salvation, and it didn't. It only contributed

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<v Speaker 2>to the fact that we're all sinners, right, and so

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<v Speaker 2>the Judaizers were trying to continue to blend the two.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think in modern well in Christianity. So once

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<v Speaker 2>we've pivoted past the resurrection, then the very first group

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<v Speaker 2>would have been the Judaizers. In Acts chapter fifteen that

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<v Speaker 2>we're pitching a fit with Paul that hey, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to keep the rules too.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Hey, night, good one, Michel. We appreciated the question.

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<v Speaker 2>That might have been the longest answer we've done so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah maybe so yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we're full of job Mike, we're full of information

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<v Speaker 2>Good job, Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're picking back up in acts chapter over twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, a bunch of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So remember Paul was they had to lift him up

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<v Speaker 2>as Paul was about to be taken inside, he said

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<v Speaker 2>to the commander, man, I have a word with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know Greek? The commander asked, surprise, aren't you

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<v Speaker 2>the Egyptian who led rebellion some time ago and took

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<v Speaker 2>four thousand members of the assassins out into the desert. No,

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<v Speaker 2>Paul replied, I'm a Jew and a citizen of Tarsus

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<v Speaker 2>and esteemed fathers. Paul said, listen to me as I

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a Jew born in Tarsus, the city in Silicia,

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<v Speaker 2>under Gamalio as his student. I was carefully trained in

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<v Speaker 2>our Jewish laws and customs. I became very zealous to

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<v Speaker 2>honor God and everything I did, just like all of

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<v Speaker 2>you today, and I persecuted the followers of the Way,

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<v Speaker 2>hounding some to death, arresting both men and women, and

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<v Speaker 2>Council of Elders can testify that this is so if

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<v Speaker 2>I received letters from them to our Jewish brothers in

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<v Speaker 2>And the Lord told me, get up and go into Damascus,

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<v Speaker 2>of Jesus, saying to me, hurry leave Jerusalem, for the

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<v Speaker 2>people here won't accept your testimony about me. The Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>I argued, they certainly know that in every synagogue imprisoned

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<v Speaker 2>and beat those who believed in you. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>in complete agreement. When your witness Stephen was killed, I

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<v Speaker 2>they stoned him. But the Lord said to me, go,

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<v Speaker 2>for I will send you far away to the gentiles.

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<v Speaker 2>The crowd listened until Paul said that word. Then they

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, twenty three. So this is uh yeah, verse number

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. That's correct. Yep. So you know it's great

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<v Speaker 1>because it's just like Acts chapter nine, and so we

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<v Speaker 1>read nine. That's Paul's conversion. Yeah, and then Paul basically

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, this is a really cool thing in

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<v Speaker 1>so many levels. The first thing that it tells us

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a lot of ways to tell people

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<v Speaker 1>about Jesus is just to tell them your story. And

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<v Speaker 1>I tell the story all the time about how you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was in the driveway of my house and that

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<v Speaker 1>and five point thirty in the afternoon on May fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty five, I accepted Christ And that was my

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<v Speaker 1>conversion story. That's when I met Jesus for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's what Paul's doing. But you'll notice though,

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<v Speaker 1>like a surgeon, you know, Paul is also like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>be a zealot for you guys, and let me tell

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<v Speaker 1>you the reason why I've changed. So he's throwing in

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<v Speaker 1>his Roman citizenship there, he's throwing in the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he's a Jew, the fact that he studied under Gamelliol,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all these different things, and then he speaks

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<v Speaker 1>in Aramaic, which, by the way, where do you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul, Yeah, yeah, Well, so there's so many cool things.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll pivot back into that and kind of move through.

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<v Speaker 2>But Paul uses every tool in his toolbox to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to build some common ground with these people who

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to kill him, which is really extraordinary, and so

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<v Speaker 2>he say, hey, I'm a Jew. Well, he speaks to

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<v Speaker 2>the Roman soldier in Greek Greek yeah, which means he

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, said whoa, whoa, whoa, you know Greek.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, common commoners wouldn't do that. So that immediately got

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<v Speaker 2>him credibility with the with the Roman soldier or the commander.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he pivots. He says, hey, can I speak

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<v Speaker 2>like you're put together. Maybe this is just a big misunderstanding,

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<v Speaker 2>and he asks him, aren't you the Egyptian that led

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<v Speaker 2>these four thousand guys on this assassin raid? And Josephus

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<v Speaker 2>wrote about that. Actually, it's kind of cool when the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible talks about the exact same things that other historians is.

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<v Speaker 2>So Josephus, being one of the prominent Roman historians at

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<v Speaker 2>he was. And Paul's like, no, I'm just a Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>kid from Tarsus, right, But he's speaking in Greek, and

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<v Speaker 2>the guy's like, wow, you know you must be educated.

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<v Speaker 2>This must be a misunderstanding. Yeah, go ahead and speak

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<v Speaker 2>to him. And then he turns from speaking in Greek

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<v Speaker 2>and he turns to these Jewish people and speaks in Arabic.

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<v Speaker 2>And then because they hear him speaking in Arabic, they

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<v Speaker 2>all get silent and go, who's this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>See? This is now their heart language.

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<v Speaker 1>He speaks our language.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of us, right, this isn't their business language.

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<v Speaker 2>So they probably were accusing him to the Romans with Greek.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably what they were accusing him with. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>they were communicating with these women, and then he turns

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<v Speaker 2>This is this speaks to our heart. And they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, maybe we misunderstood this guy for just

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<v Speaker 2>a second, and let's listen to him. Then he begins

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<v Speaker 2>unpack it. Hey I was a student of Gamala Gamelliel. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>what he's saying is, hey, I'm a I'm a Harvard lawgrad. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's what he's saying, I graduated from Yale Law School.

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<v Speaker 2>And because if you studied under Gamaliel, he was the

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then he associated himself with Caiaphas, with

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<v Speaker 1>the Sanhedrin. Yeah, you're talking about the incident next chapter

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<v Speaker 1>seven when Stephen was stoned and and and what he's

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<v Speaker 1>saying is he's like, yeah, I was there, I was

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<v Speaker 1>I was a party to that. You understand he was

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<v Speaker 1>without saying and he was trying to say, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>know who I am. Yeah, so if you know who

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<v Speaker 2>It's exactly what he does, but he does it in

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<v Speaker 2>such a nice way, right, he's being so it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>as if a bunch of just commoners in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the temple or in a religious environment decide that they're

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<v Speaker 2>Theologian for breaking some what they perceived to be a

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<v Speaker 2>religious law. Right that that that's what's happening here. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's kind of pointing it out to them, but a

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<v Speaker 2>what Versus three and four is it? He says in

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<v Speaker 2>verse four, he says, and I persecuted the followers. Oh no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of verse three, he said, I became

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<v Speaker 2>very zealous to honor God and everything I did, just

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<v Speaker 2>like all of you today. That's an incredibly respectful statement.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, listen, I know you guys don't mean to

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<v Speaker 2>zealous for for what we believe as you are right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me tell you. And so he's not saying

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<v Speaker 2>being mean. He's just saying, I think you misunderstand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Very clever too, wasn't it. It was so clever because

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<v Speaker 1>he threw in the nuance of saying, like I was,

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<v Speaker 1>I had just as much passion as you, like you

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<v Speaker 1>think you think that you're you know, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>Let me explain to you who you're talking to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and I think that's incredibly important when

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<v Speaker 2>we're sharing our faith. And that's what he does. Then

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<v Speaker 2>he pivots into, hey, this is my salvation moment. He's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to build some common ground with them. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think Christians sometimes on social media, especially because it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a great forum for substantial communication, but even in person,

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<v Speaker 2>the truth and you are in ignorance, right, as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to building commonalities, say I understand where you're coming from.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where I came from too. And I can remember

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that I was doing some work in one

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<v Speaker 2>immediately speaks up saying that he's not a Christian and

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<v Speaker 2>his lifestyle, right just immediately. He doesn't say it outright,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean it's pretty strong. And then he had

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<v Speaker 2>said some really challenging words to me, like you know, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a pastor, you know you're so innocent and

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<v Speaker 2>you're so you have no idea, and I said, well, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I really am. And I said, man, I'm just a

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<v Speaker 2>And then I said, but I grew up. There was

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<v Speaker 2>of alcoholism. There's a lot of these things. And God

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<v Speaker 2>pulled me out of that. And I remember the day

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<v Speaker 2>when I found out that Jesus would forgive my sins

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<v Speaker 2>very own family. And that day when I trusted Christ

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<v Speaker 2>it was always his plan to adopt me into his family.

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<v Speaker 2>He changed my name, he changed my future everything. And

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<v Speaker 2>the abuse, and the guy gets all teared up and

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, well, so then maybe we're more like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, that's great. Well, then I was able to

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<v Speaker 2>the plane. It's pretty cool experience in that moment, right,

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<v Speaker 2>He rejected me because he thought he knew me as

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<v Speaker 1>Than now jerky and assuming yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he finds out that we're the same or

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<v Speaker 2>come from a very similar thing, and that the only

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<v Speaker 2>difference between our two life arcs was Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And and that's what Paul does here exactly, is

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't try to pick a fight. He tries to

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<v Speaker 2>build common ground. People don't care what you know until

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<v Speaker 2>they know that you care.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, right, And and you know, when he tells

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<v Speaker 1>the story, he does it in incredible detail. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna sneeze, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, oh no, bless you thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>That was good. Might have been a first that was exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, that was the most excitement we had on

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast in months.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we talked about his conversion to Jesus, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus appears to me. And I've said this before and

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<v Speaker 1>and I've never heard anybody else say it, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>always stuck to it my entire ministry. He asked Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>two questions, and the same two questions that we ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>need to ask Jesus. The first question is he says,

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<v Speaker 1>who are you Lord? And then when Jesus tells him

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<v Speaker 1>who he is, then he says, Lord, what should I do?

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<v Speaker 1>And these are the same two questions that we, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the man on the plane probably should ask right like, like,

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<v Speaker 1>who are you Lord? Who is Jesus to him? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>is he going to be lord of your life? And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, those of us who already know Christ,

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<v Speaker 1>we can still ask that question, who are you Lord?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is Jesus to you? Is he the one that

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<v Speaker 1>has the final authority in your life? And then Lord,

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<v Speaker 1>what would you have me to do? I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>these two questions are just natural and they make sense,

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<v Speaker 1>but also they are very important questions that can actually,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get us out of any jam that we

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<v Speaker 1>find ourselves in. You know, it could help us, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rest in his belief or our belief in him. These

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<v Speaker 1>are just two great questions, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>In the book Revelation, at the end, as we wrap

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<v Speaker 2>up the book, Revelation says that the two things that

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<v Speaker 2>defeat Satan are the blood of Christ and the word

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<v Speaker 2>of our testimony. Those are the two things, right. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you might say, oh, my testimony is not like Jeff's,

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<v Speaker 2>or my testimony is not as dramatic as Chris is.

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<v Speaker 2>Your testimony is your testimony, right. Your story is your story, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and alls you need to do. Your job is not

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<v Speaker 2>to determine who needs it. Everybody needs it. So your

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<v Speaker 2>job is just to share it and let the Holy

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<v Speaker 2>Spirit do what the Holy Spirit's going to do with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right that you share your story. And this is what

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<v Speaker 2>happened with Paul, and we're going to go on. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't solve all of Paul's problems, but he did look

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<v Speaker 2>for an opportunity to share his faith and to share

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<v Speaker 2>the gospel, and he does it in a polite, reasonable way,

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<v Speaker 2>even though they wanted to kill him. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that that's really at the core of this conversation today

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<v Speaker 2>is that we have to be speak the truth, but

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<v Speaker 2>we do it in love.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great well, it sounds like a good

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<v Speaker 1>place to end, and we will pick up next time

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<v Speaker 1>on the Bible. Guys, here we go.