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Peter, it's a big day today.

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It is a big day.

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This is one of our most requested albums on the show.

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Right. Does our audience skew fusion? Because if so, they're going to be happy.

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There's a pocket of our audience that is the fusion pocket.

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And they are there.

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They've got pockets on their pants.

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He's coming in hot. I like it.

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But they want more pocket, they want more fusion pocket.

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And this is a classic jazz fusion album.

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I know the guys in Weather Report don't like that term, but when you think

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of jazz fusion, you think of Weather Report.

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... why haven't you guys done "Heavy Weather"?

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And so today, we're doing a 1977's "Heavy Weather." But before

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... let's start at the beginning.

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So this band was-

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Louis Armstrong, 1928, beginning of the recording industry.

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A young Joe Zawinul gets off the boat.

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... a very familiar name around here at the "You'll Hear It" podcast, Miles Davis.

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So just before this was happening, Joe Zawinul and Wayne Shorter,

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jazz history and, I think you could say fusion history, too, although they aren't

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this band, this project, called Weather Report, and they record a

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self-titled album in 1971. And it's not like the album we're about to

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Czechoslovakian at that time.

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Weather Report would eventually lean into the funk a little bit more.

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they released an album that you and I agree is one of our favorites.

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And we should redo this album. I don't know if you remember, we did-

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... "Mysterious Traveller" from 1974 from Weather Report.

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We did it during the pandemic. Do you remember?

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Right. Which pandemic?

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COVID pandemic.

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... your brain is fried now.

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COVID-19.

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I think it was COVID-19.

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We're a little behind things.

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Alphonso Johnson.

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Alphonso Johnson.

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This is "Cucumber Slumber" from "Mysterious Traveller."

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Woo.

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Woo.

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That bass is high up in the mix. It's like the bass is above Wayne, but it

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This is a great song.

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The way they come out of it. Oh,

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you know what? That'll be good. We'll come back and do that record.

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Yeah. We should do "Mysterious Traveller" at some point.

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I think that might be artistically Weather Report's peak, but it was not their

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commercial peak.

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So, like I said, up until this point, it's mostly been Joe and

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Shout-out Florida. I'm a kid from Florida.

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and I wrote a song, it was called "Cannonball." I had this little melody in the

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beautiful tone. Use that tone." And what happened at that

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"Black Market," when he was just 24 years old.

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Jaco.

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That track, "Cannonball" with "Black Market," with Jaco taking the lead.

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perfect percussion.

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Jaco famously plays a fretless bass.

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Fretless electric.

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That he defretted, I believe.

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believe it's...

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We're not journalists.

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A Fender Jazz Bass.

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Oh, yeah. He took the different frets off.

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Shout out Scott's Bass Lessons.

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SBL.

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I think I watched a video on that.

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So this is the first Jaco recording, right?

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I mean, first time he recorded with them.

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Oh, man. Man, Weather Report, I forget, so from the first

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"Cucumber Slumber," "Black Market," what we're about to get into today, "Heavy

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Weather," and then I'm going forward, I'm skipping over some stuff,

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but I got to see them live in '85. We'll talk about that a little bit later.

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But I'm remembering now, and that was the final band, actually.

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Omar Hakim on drums. Great.

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Powell Hall, two blocks from here.

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Crazy. They had crazy lights and stuff. It was a rock show.

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But they really were a band. I

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mean, the thing that held the band together, the only constant was

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Joe and Wayne, right?

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Through that whole period. I mean, we associate, especially what we're about to

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listen to with "Heavy Weather" as,

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am I allowed to say it? Almost a Jaco record, right?

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Jaco-

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Jaco

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... takes over-

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... the band for a couple of years here.

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Right. But it's such a small-

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He's such a huge personality. I mean, listen, Joe and Wayne are giants.

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There's no doubt about it.

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And they let him.

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He wasn't a hostile takeover.

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But he's 25 years old.

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He's bringing some energy that-

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... I think is... You know how it is when you get to your 40s, you're like, "Whoa,

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this kid is on fire."

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He's like a bolt of light and energy.

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Let him cook, right?

268
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Yeah.

269
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Weather Report had never had a hit, though, Peter. We've skipped over some albums.

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Right.

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After six albums, they'd never had a hit, and then when Jaco came

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fully on board

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with "Heavy Weather," the band recorded this album in a matter of weeks, and the

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result was one of the best-selling jazz albums of all time.

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It went on to become a crossover hit, reaching, get this, number 30 on

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the Billboard 200. That's not the Billboard Jazz 200.

277
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No, that's the album.

278
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That is the Hot 100, the... Well, I don't even know.

279
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No, it's the albums.

280
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Hot 200. No.

281
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Yeah.

282
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Cold. Is it the Mild 200? It's the Billboard 200.

283
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The Lukewarm. The Tepid 200.

284
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All right, the charts people are really p****d off now.

285
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But it reached number 30-

286
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Yeah

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... which is insane. Specifically, this first track.

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And number 35 or something on R&B. I don't know why it was lower, but, I mean, the

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fact that it made both those charts-

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Is insane

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... but, yeah, the Billboard 200 is.

292
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So the first track is the hit of the album.

293
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Yeah.

294
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It's one of the biggest jazz crossover hits ever.

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Legend has it, according to an interview with Jaco, and according to a

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few other sources, that it was recorded in a single take.

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One take.

298
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Yeah.

299
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And it's "Birdland."

300
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And apparently, that wasn't true, but it was close enough.

301
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Was it not?

302
00:10:43,564 --> 00:10:44,984
Well, I don't know. I've heard it both ways, but...

303
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I set it up all nice, and then you knocked it down.

304
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No, I'm sorry.

305
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It was possibly recorded

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in one-

307
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It was a minimum of one take. We know that. No less than.

308
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It's "Birdland."

309
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That's Joe.

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I always thought that was Jaco when I was a little kid.

311
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I was like, "Man, how is he doing that and then the next one?"

312
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Let me shut up.

313
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So sick.

314
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Harmonics.

315
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Yeah, that's harmonics on the bass.

316
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I believe. Yeah.

317
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Yeah.

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On a fretless.

319
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Which is crazy.

320
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Yeah.

321
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I mean, he was the Stanley Jordan of the bass.

322
00:11:45,024 --> 00:11:47,004
Man, I messed up that bass line in

323
00:11:48,164 --> 00:11:48,784
stage band.

324
00:11:49,544 --> 00:11:52,184
Every high school jazz band in the '80s and '90s played this song.

325
00:11:55,564 --> 00:11:56,564
Alex Acuña.

326
00:11:57,424 --> 00:11:59,364
Yeah. Interesting story about Alex.

327
00:12:01,724 --> 00:12:02,104
Yeah.

328
00:12:03,924 --> 00:12:07,324
Ooh, Joe Zawinul, the master of the suspended fourth

329
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resolve, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then back.

330
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So good at it.

331
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That's the fourth, that's the third.

332
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Man, Zawinul with the sound.

333
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Woo.

334
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Uh.

335
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Four.

336
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Is it a little bit of vocoder or something?

337
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I always thought a little bit of Bee Gees or something.

338
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I don't know.

339
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There, it comes a little later.

340
00:13:51,572 --> 00:13:52,052
Oh, maybe.

341
00:13:56,932 --> 00:13:57,312
Hear that?

342
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Some kind of early sampler.

343
00:14:40,792 --> 00:14:42,952
Okay, whenever you're ready. I have a hot take on this.

344
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Go for it.

345
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Are we ready for this?

346
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We're ready.

347
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I think this is one of the weakest songs on the album.

348
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Ooh.

349
00:14:48,972 --> 00:14:49,001
Yeah.

350
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Hot take indeed.

351
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Scorching hot. And I really love the playing on this,

352
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and there's so much cool stuff, and I played it in middle

353
00:14:57,712 --> 00:15:01,472
school jazz band, badly. And then when

354
00:15:01,482 --> 00:15:05,132
"Manhattan Transfer" came back in 1980 or '70, or late

355
00:15:05,142 --> 00:15:09,042
'70s, that was huge. Because of my age, I didn't

356
00:15:09,072 --> 00:15:13,052
remember this record. But by that time, I was starting to hear it in stuff.

357
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Quincy, in the late '80s.

358
00:15:18,032 --> 00:15:20,152
I feel like this song is just a bunch of vamps.

359
00:15:20,832 --> 00:15:24,512
Played so well and grooving, but what's the melody to "Birdland?"

360
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This.

361
00:15:25,852 --> 00:15:26,462
No, what about

362
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This is the melody.

363
00:15:31,472 --> 00:15:33,872
There's like four different melodies, each section.

364
00:15:35,012 --> 00:15:36,512
This is the weakest of all the melodies.

365
00:15:37,872 --> 00:15:39,122
You think this is the weakest of all the melodies?

366
00:15:40,412 --> 00:15:44,282
I mean, it's fine. It's no "Mercy, Mercy Me," that's all I'm saying.

367
00:15:45,012 --> 00:15:46,782
Which was a bigger hit, also.

368
00:15:46,812 --> 00:15:48,882
"Mercy, Mercy, Me" or "Mercy, Mercy, Mercy?"

369
00:15:49,221 --> 00:15:50,272
"Mercy, Mercy, Mercy."

370
00:15:52,221 --> 00:15:52,232
"Mercy, Mercy, Me."

371
00:15:52,232 --> 00:15:52,312
Yeah.

372
00:15:52,372 --> 00:15:53,172
"Mercy, Mercy, Me" was the-

373
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It's 11:00 PM in here. You got me contracted here all day long.

374
00:15:55,972 --> 00:15:57,292
It's a full eclipse out here.

375
00:15:57,412 --> 00:15:57,912
I... Okay.

376
00:15:57,952 --> 00:15:59,382
Did I get too hot for you too early in the hour?

377
00:15:59,592 --> 00:16:02,842
Restate your hot take, because I want to make sure that I got all the points and-

378
00:16:03,172 --> 00:16:04,732
I got to hot ball. I think this is the weakest-

379
00:16:04,782 --> 00:16:05,122
... debunk all of them

380
00:16:05,122 --> 00:16:08,882
... composition on this album. I understand why it was the biggest.

381
00:16:08,882 --> 00:16:10,292
So you're saying Jaco sucks?

382
00:16:10,372 --> 00:16:11,652
No, Jaco is incredible.

383
00:16:11,661 --> 00:16:13,252
Wayne is overrated, is that what you're saying?

384
00:16:13,512 --> 00:16:15,272
Wayne just doesn't play a lot on this record.

385
00:16:15,512 --> 00:16:16,652
That's true.

386
00:16:16,712 --> 00:16:20,142
What he plays is great. There's a couple really cool solos, but this is not a big

387
00:16:20,172 --> 00:16:20,732
Wayne record.

388
00:16:20,952 --> 00:16:21,862
No, actually, a lot of the Weather-

389
00:16:21,862 --> 00:16:24,072
This is not on the apex mountain of Wayne Shorter solos.

390
00:16:24,092 --> 00:16:26,772
I think a lot of the Weather Report records are not Wayne showcases.

391
00:16:26,792 --> 00:16:27,812
No, but he's got some moments.

392
00:16:27,852 --> 00:16:28,732
He's got some moments.

393
00:16:28,762 --> 00:16:28,992
On everything.

394
00:16:28,992 --> 00:16:29,352
But you're right.

395
00:16:29,362 --> 00:16:29,932
"Black Market."

396
00:16:30,172 --> 00:16:33,562
I kind of agree with you. I feel like "Birdland" is,

397
00:16:34,812 --> 00:16:38,372
for lack of a better phrase, it can't get out of its own way.

398
00:16:38,752 --> 00:16:38,992
Yeah.

399
00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:42,872
In a sense. And it's become so ubiquitous for musicians

400
00:16:42,932 --> 00:16:44,072
learning how to play this music-

401
00:16:44,502 --> 00:16:44,512
Yeah

402
00:16:44,512 --> 00:16:48,312
... that it's almost like it's hard to separate the middle school,

403
00:16:48,372 --> 00:16:52,332
high school jazz band versions. The

404
00:16:52,372 --> 00:16:54,712
first time I heard it was my high school jazz band's version, right?

405
00:16:54,932 --> 00:16:55,002
Yeah. Right.

406
00:16:55,002 --> 00:16:56,332
And then they're like, "Go check out the album."

407
00:16:56,472 --> 00:16:56,942
Man, me too.

408
00:16:57,002 --> 00:16:59,672
But it feels, just as a concept,

409
00:17:00,492 --> 00:17:03,752
maybe a little bit more dated than some of the other Weather Report things.

410
00:17:03,812 --> 00:17:04,112
Yeah.

411
00:17:04,172 --> 00:17:06,172
And I think that's due to its own success.

412
00:17:06,452 --> 00:17:06,562
Because-

413
00:17:06,562 --> 00:17:09,072
I think even more dated than anything on this record, in a way.

414
00:17:09,113 --> 00:17:09,732
No, that's what I'm saying.

415
00:17:09,812 --> 00:17:10,232
Yeah.

416
00:17:10,593 --> 00:17:12,322
But I think it's because it was so popular, right?

417
00:17:12,353 --> 00:17:15,972
It became kind of like its own genre,

418
00:17:16,052 --> 00:17:16,452
"Birdland."

419
00:17:16,572 --> 00:17:16,682
Yeah.

420
00:17:16,752 --> 00:17:18,462
People did so many different rip-offs of it.

421
00:17:18,892 --> 00:17:22,022
It's hard to not associate those

422
00:17:22,732 --> 00:17:25,472
watered-down versions of this with "Birdland." So I see what you're saying.

423
00:17:25,532 --> 00:17:27,833
The connotations are, I have the same kind of thing.

424
00:17:27,952 --> 00:17:29,462
I don't need to listen to "Birdland" a lot-

425
00:17:29,772 --> 00:17:29,992
Yeah

426
00:17:30,002 --> 00:17:30,392
... anymore.

427
00:17:30,552 --> 00:17:34,492
And I always think too, a great composition means not just

428
00:17:34,572 --> 00:17:37,352
the performance, and the performance is stunning, especially Jaco.

429
00:17:37,412 --> 00:17:38,302
It's awesome. Jaco is-

430
00:17:38,372 --> 00:17:38,931
Jaco on here

431
00:17:38,942 --> 00:17:39,432
... crushing

432
00:17:39,452 --> 00:17:40,292
... Alex Acuña.

433
00:17:40,372 --> 00:17:40,582
Yeah. Alex Acuña.

434
00:17:40,592 --> 00:17:44,312
But, I mean, Zawinul's sounds, that's probably the ARP

435
00:17:44,452 --> 00:17:44,662
2600, right?

436
00:17:44,672 --> 00:17:45,492
Probably the ARP, yeah.

437
00:17:46,072 --> 00:17:47,412
But that Oberheim, when he-

438
00:17:47,572 --> 00:17:49,032
Yeah.

439
00:17:49,072 --> 00:17:49,472
But I

440
00:17:51,072 --> 00:17:54,692
always feel like a great composition you can take to other great musicians.

441
00:17:54,912 --> 00:17:55,032
Yeah.

442
00:17:55,272 --> 00:17:57,072
And they can really sink their teeth into it.

443
00:17:57,102 --> 00:17:58,652
And this is like, you don't really want to hear anybody else.

444
00:17:58,712 --> 00:17:58,832
Well-

445
00:17:58,972 --> 00:18:00,172
Although Manhattan Transfer did.

446
00:18:00,222 --> 00:18:00,722
That's on there

447
00:18:00,222 --> 00:18:01,302
... but to be honest, Peter, your-

448
00:18:01,572 --> 00:18:02,322
But that was great lyrics, too

449
00:18:02,322 --> 00:18:06,272
... take holds up with the fact that you don't hear a lot of people

450
00:18:06,312 --> 00:18:06,912
covering this anymore.

451
00:18:06,992 --> 00:18:07,192
Right.

452
00:18:07,552 --> 00:18:09,972
It was something that was covered a lot in the '80s by people.

453
00:18:10,052 --> 00:18:10,312
Yeah.

454
00:18:10,332 --> 00:18:12,852
But you don't hear a lot of people doing covers of "Birdland"-

455
00:18:13,292 --> 00:18:13,312
No

456
00:18:13,472 --> 00:18:15,722
... like in small group settings, when you totally could.

457
00:18:15,752 --> 00:18:15,852
Yeah.

458
00:18:15,872 --> 00:18:18,242
You totally could. But I've never thought, "I'm not going to cover it." You know

459
00:18:18,252 --> 00:18:18,262
what I mean?

460
00:18:18,292 --> 00:18:21,012
I don't think it's on even the top five Zawinul compositions.

461
00:18:21,212 --> 00:18:21,752
I agree with that.

462
00:18:21,912 --> 00:18:22,032
So.

463
00:18:22,062 --> 00:18:22,512
I agree with that.

464
00:18:22,712 --> 00:18:25,292
Yeah. And I just think it's detached from this record.

465
00:18:25,352 --> 00:18:26,172
Now, having said that

466
00:18:27,056 --> 00:18:30,796
If this wasn't the first song on here, would this record have been one of

467
00:18:30,836 --> 00:18:33,776
the first and only platinum jazz records?

468
00:18:33,876 --> 00:18:35,116
If you consider this jazz, which I do.

469
00:18:35,376 --> 00:18:35,456
Yeah.

470
00:18:35,636 --> 00:18:36,406
That's going to be another little thing.

471
00:18:36,416 --> 00:18:36,596
Okay.

472
00:18:36,796 --> 00:18:38,295
Because you love to get into the genres.

473
00:18:38,796 --> 00:18:39,006
But if

474
00:18:40,176 --> 00:18:43,966
this song wasn't on this record and the rest of the album, which I think is

475
00:18:44,056 --> 00:18:47,416
stronger, I don't think this album is any bigger than any other Weather Report

476
00:18:47,476 --> 00:18:47,796
record.

477
00:18:48,136 --> 00:18:48,536
Interesting.

478
00:18:49,056 --> 00:18:52,816
I think this is such an accessible thing. I know I'm saying that there's no melody.

479
00:18:52,856 --> 00:18:53,656
There's four melodies.

480
00:18:54,756 --> 00:18:54,896
Yep.

481
00:18:55,246 --> 00:18:58,276
That's so... And when it goes

482
00:19:00,116 --> 00:19:01,116
That's just simple and-

483
00:19:01,156 --> 00:19:01,316
Yeah.

484
00:19:01,936 --> 00:19:04,716
And simple. And when almost anybody else plays it, it's corny.

485
00:19:04,776 --> 00:19:06,656
They pull it off because there's so much

486
00:19:07,596 --> 00:19:09,976
fusion virtuosity going on.

487
00:19:10,196 --> 00:19:11,856
It's got a little shoulder shake.

488
00:19:12,016 --> 00:19:12,416
It does.

489
00:19:13,116 --> 00:19:13,576
Like it makes you

490
00:19:15,196 --> 00:19:15,676
You know what I mean?

491
00:19:15,876 --> 00:19:16,376
A little sassy.

492
00:19:16,425 --> 00:19:16,646
A little sassy.

493
00:19:16,646 --> 00:19:17,416
A little sassy.

494
00:19:17,636 --> 00:19:18,076
Yeah.

495
00:19:18,096 --> 00:19:20,216
But it could cross over into corny.

496
00:19:20,256 --> 00:19:22,676
You talked about Alex Acuña playing the drums here.

497
00:19:23,216 --> 00:19:23,356
Yeah.

498
00:19:23,436 --> 00:19:26,176
He had been playing percussion in Weather Report previous to this-

499
00:19:26,236 --> 00:19:26,356
Right

500
00:19:26,416 --> 00:19:27,996
... while Chester Thompson was playing the drums.

501
00:19:28,556 --> 00:19:30,956
One day after rehearsal, Jaco said, "Let's play some more." And Alex had his

502
00:19:30,976 --> 00:19:33,296
brushes, playing on the table and the chair, and they're playing

503
00:19:34,156 --> 00:19:35,436
Miles Davis and Wayne Shorter stuff.

504
00:19:35,576 --> 00:19:39,556
And Jaco was surprised that Alex knew all these tunes on the drum kit, apparently.

505
00:19:39,616 --> 00:19:42,076
"Nobody knew I played drums," Alex said. "I respect that.

506
00:19:42,156 --> 00:19:45,786
I was hired as a percussionist. I'm going to play percussion." But then

507
00:19:46,236 --> 00:19:48,426
later, they all realized he's an amazing drummer-

508
00:19:48,636 --> 00:19:48,736
Right

509
00:19:48,776 --> 00:19:50,816
... at the kit, and he records on this album.

510
00:19:51,016 --> 00:19:51,216
Yeah.

511
00:19:51,396 --> 00:19:51,496
Yeah.

512
00:19:51,516 --> 00:19:51,836
Incredible.

513
00:19:51,856 --> 00:19:52,376
It's kind of awesome.

514
00:19:53,076 --> 00:19:54,036
He's from Peru, isn't he?

515
00:19:54,076 --> 00:19:54,626
He's Peruvian, yeah.

516
00:19:54,676 --> 00:19:55,116
Peruvian.

517
00:19:55,176 --> 00:19:55,236
Yeah.

518
00:19:55,296 --> 00:19:57,976
Right. Which is a cool thing because we don't come across that a lot.

519
00:19:57,996 --> 00:19:58,376
And it's-

520
00:19:58,956 --> 00:20:01,146
But he played on... Wasn't he playing with...

521
00:20:01,556 --> 00:20:03,456
Maybe he wasn't by this point, but he played with Joni.

522
00:20:03,596 --> 00:20:04,316
He played with everybody.

523
00:20:04,396 --> 00:20:05,036
Right after this.

524
00:20:05,086 --> 00:20:05,116
Yeah.

525
00:20:05,116 --> 00:20:05,416
Yeah.

526
00:20:05,816 --> 00:20:07,896
And it's Manolo Badrena on percussion.

527
00:20:08,376 --> 00:20:12,166
Right. Hearing an album is one thing, but trying to play this stuff

528
00:20:12,576 --> 00:20:16,536
is a whole other thing. But that's exactly what we do and teach at Open

529
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00:20:23,096 --> 00:20:26,716
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532
00:20:27,176 --> 00:20:27,736
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533
00:20:28,796 --> 00:20:30,406
Your pronunciation leaves something to be

534
00:20:31,216 --> 00:20:31,596
desired.

535
00:20:31,626 --> 00:20:31,636
Okay.

536
00:20:31,636 --> 00:20:32,566
But we'll talk about that another time.

537
00:20:32,616 --> 00:20:36,576
So not a fan of "Birdland," but I got to imagine you are a fan

538
00:20:36,716 --> 00:20:37,866
of the second track, which is-

539
00:20:37,916 --> 00:20:40,196
Because another Zawinul comp. I love this

540
00:20:40,216 --> 00:20:42,076
... a beautiful song called "A Remark You Made."

541
00:20:42,176 --> 00:20:42,336
Yeah.

542
00:20:44,836 --> 00:20:45,876
Ah, ethereal.

543
00:20:53,536 --> 00:20:53,916
Ooh.

544
00:20:55,096 --> 00:20:56,906
Zawinul, a master of the keyboards.

545
00:20:56,996 --> 00:21:00,336
Truly an innovator, maybe doesn't get enough credit for pushing synthesizers

546
00:21:00,396 --> 00:21:00,736
forward.

547
00:21:01,316 --> 00:21:04,336
The Wurlitzer. Maybe the all-time master of the Wurli.

548
00:21:07,876 --> 00:21:08,296
Oh, this.

549
00:21:11,676 --> 00:21:13,056
That little walk down in the bass.

550
00:21:14,226 --> 00:21:14,726
Oh.

551
00:21:15,586 --> 00:21:15,976
Woo.

552
00:21:16,116 --> 00:21:19,496
That's some Joe right there. But I mean, the way Wayne phrases

553
00:21:19,536 --> 00:21:20,976
it.

554
00:21:26,546 --> 00:21:29,756
And the piano sound I think fits so good on this track, and most of them, except

555
00:21:29,796 --> 00:21:30,756
for "Birdland," eh.

556
00:21:31,456 --> 00:21:34,466
If you think about it too, that fretless bass is such an original sound at this

557
00:21:34,556 --> 00:21:34,956
time.

558
00:21:35,176 --> 00:21:35,396
Man.

559
00:21:35,476 --> 00:21:36,616
Not many people are doing it.

560
00:21:38,596 --> 00:21:38,876
Oh.

561
00:21:44,406 --> 00:21:44,436
Oh.

562
00:22:00,056 --> 00:22:03,945
I forgot. I think that's one of the best played

563
00:22:04,076 --> 00:22:05,576
synthesizer melodies. Phrased.

564
00:22:05,636 --> 00:22:06,165
It's so beautiful.

565
00:22:06,216 --> 00:22:09,316
He's phrasing it like Wayne. Not like Wayne Shorter, but with the same kind of...

566
00:22:09,696 --> 00:22:10,616
It's stunning.

567
00:22:11,056 --> 00:22:11,146
Oh, yeah.

568
00:22:11,176 --> 00:22:13,336
Especially those instruments were hard to control back then.

569
00:22:13,356 --> 00:22:14,856
Listen, I love the pads on this one-

570
00:22:15,016 --> 00:22:15,456
Yes

571
00:22:15,466 --> 00:22:16,276
... that are happening here.

572
00:22:20,556 --> 00:22:22,116
Yeah, Zawinul orchestrating.

573
00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:26,996
He knows how to mix the piano in.

574
00:22:35,096 --> 00:22:37,536
Man, we didn't deserve Wayne Shorter. He's just the greatest ever.

575
00:22:37,626 --> 00:22:37,636
Yeah.

576
00:22:37,636 --> 00:22:38,736
The greatest melody maker.

577
00:22:39,896 --> 00:22:40,776
And I think for

578
00:22:43,256 --> 00:22:46,496
Wayne and Joe, they obviously bonded musically.

579
00:22:47,056 --> 00:22:49,816
They came up on the same... I mean, they were guys from the '50s.

580
00:22:49,846 --> 00:22:53,316
Zawinul was in the US, I believe, if

581
00:22:53,396 --> 00:22:56,366
not in the late '50s, no later than 1960.

582
00:22:57,136 --> 00:23:00,356
And that was Wayne cutting his teeth, and then with Art Blakey.

583
00:23:00,576 --> 00:23:01,196
They came up.

584
00:23:01,276 --> 00:23:03,356
They played together for a while in one of those big bands.

585
00:23:03,696 --> 00:23:03,976
Oh, okay.

586
00:23:04,096 --> 00:23:06,216
I forget which one. Put in the comments.

587
00:23:06,276 --> 00:23:09,106
Where did Joe and Wayne play together? I'm spacing now.

588
00:23:09,236 --> 00:23:09,856
But they played together-

589
00:23:09,876 --> 00:23:09,906
Yeah

590
00:23:09,906 --> 00:23:11,036
... when they were kids, basically.

591
00:23:11,196 --> 00:23:11,556
Wow.

592
00:23:11,596 --> 00:23:12,126
When they were young.

593
00:23:12,276 --> 00:23:15,626
Yeah. And then I think Zawinul's long association, which is

594
00:23:15,696 --> 00:23:17,426
basically all the '30s

595
00:23:18,316 --> 00:23:22,076
to the '60s with Cannonball Adderley and Nat Adderley,

596
00:23:22,136 --> 00:23:26,056
and wrote for them and played in the band, I mean, for a

597
00:23:26,096 --> 00:23:26,896
big part of that.

598
00:23:28,436 --> 00:23:30,816
And then, of course, Wayne in the '60s developed.

599
00:23:30,976 --> 00:23:34,576
Art Blakey went on to what may be considered the best Miles Davis quintet,

600
00:23:35,096 --> 00:23:39,016
and then in "A Silent Way," which I don't know if Wayne was on that, but I think

601
00:23:39,056 --> 00:23:40,926
Zawinul wrote "In a Silent Way," actually.

602
00:23:40,956 --> 00:23:41,376
Wayne's on there.

603
00:23:41,636 --> 00:23:42,096
Yeah, Wayne's on there.

604
00:23:42,136 --> 00:23:42,796
And "B*****s Brew."

605
00:23:42,866 --> 00:23:42,876
Yeah.

606
00:23:42,876 --> 00:23:43,756
They're both on "B*****s Brew."

607
00:23:43,876 --> 00:23:44,096
Okay.

608
00:23:45,016 --> 00:23:48,996
And then that leads to this. So they had this kind of simpatico in terms

609
00:23:49,036 --> 00:23:51,186
of how they approach things, and as you said earlier,

610
00:23:52,096 --> 00:23:55,776
being able to, the good fortune of Jaco coming along, but then

611
00:23:55,816 --> 00:23:59,476
recognizing that a generation behind, and then this idea of

612
00:24:00,156 --> 00:24:01,296
folk music of the future.

613
00:24:01,616 --> 00:24:01,756
Right.

614
00:24:01,836 --> 00:24:02,486
And I think Zawinul came-

615
00:24:02,496 --> 00:24:03,296
Which is how they

616
00:24:04,156 --> 00:24:04,796
described this.

617
00:24:04,876 --> 00:24:05,016
Yes.

618
00:24:05,096 --> 00:24:06,416
Or how Zawinul described this.

619
00:24:06,466 --> 00:24:06,496
Yes.

620
00:24:06,496 --> 00:24:06,636
Yeah.

621
00:24:06,656 --> 00:24:10,336
And he talked about that when I got a chance in the early '90s to

622
00:24:10,576 --> 00:24:14,196
hang out with him a little bit and some great times in an airport on a

623
00:24:14,256 --> 00:24:16,526
layover when we were all stuck there, and he was-

624
00:24:16,526 --> 00:24:17,596
He and Joe just two musicians?

625
00:24:17,616 --> 00:24:20,276
Well, it was a bunch of young musicians and Joe and him.

626
00:24:20,286 --> 00:24:20,296
Oh.

627
00:24:20,296 --> 00:24:23,896
But then I saw him. We were on the same sort of tour with the festival, so we'd see

628
00:24:23,916 --> 00:24:25,516
him every couple of days. Super nice guy.

629
00:24:26,516 --> 00:24:28,076
But he talked about this folk music of the future.

630
00:24:28,096 --> 00:24:30,136
He had a band called the Zawinul Syndicate.

631
00:24:30,196 --> 00:24:30,396
Yeah.

632
00:24:30,856 --> 00:24:34,646
It wasn't the next Weather Report because Wayne wasn't part of it, but it was

633
00:24:35,152 --> 00:24:39,072
Paco Sery was playing drums, and he had a very interesting

634
00:24:39,832 --> 00:24:42,872
view. I never heard him talking about fusion a lot, but he was definitely the

635
00:24:42,932 --> 00:24:43,472
master of

636
00:24:44,352 --> 00:24:47,652
what became world music in a little bit of a dirty word.

637
00:24:47,692 --> 00:24:49,632
Well, apparently these guys didn't like the word fusion.

638
00:24:49,692 --> 00:24:51,812
They didn't want jazz fusion to be part of their-

639
00:24:51,912 --> 00:24:53,762
Did it cause some confusion for them?

640
00:24:53,992 --> 00:24:54,272
It did.

641
00:24:54,332 --> 00:24:54,532
Okay.

642
00:24:55,572 --> 00:24:56,612
So a remark you made.

643
00:24:57,052 --> 00:24:57,112
Yeah.

644
00:24:57,152 --> 00:24:57,512
Gorgeous.

645
00:24:57,732 --> 00:24:57,832
Yeah.

646
00:24:57,952 --> 00:25:01,762
Gorgeous track. And it's followed up by, I think, the

647
00:25:01,812 --> 00:25:04,472
next track is, this is the musician's musician track.

648
00:25:04,672 --> 00:25:04,802
Yeah.

649
00:25:04,852 --> 00:25:08,802
This is the one that every bass player geeks out over, and every

650
00:25:08,892 --> 00:25:11,652
drummer geeks out over, which is interesting, because this is not Alex Acuña on the

651
00:25:11,712 --> 00:25:12,012
drums.

652
00:25:12,112 --> 00:25:12,352
No.

653
00:25:12,532 --> 00:25:15,772
This is Jaco Pastorius on the bass and the drums.

654
00:25:15,812 --> 00:25:17,432
You know how hard that is to do that at the same time?

655
00:25:17,512 --> 00:25:18,832
This is "Teen Town."

656
00:25:20,832 --> 00:25:22,672
Oh.

657
00:25:29,872 --> 00:25:31,492
The Jaco composition, by the way.

658
00:25:42,592 --> 00:25:43,712
Those pads are sick too.

659
00:25:46,392 --> 00:25:46,402
Oh.

660
00:25:47,672 --> 00:25:49,072
Wayne on the counter melody.

661
00:25:50,252 --> 00:25:50,792
Oh.

662
00:25:55,792 --> 00:25:56,032
Ooh.

663
00:25:58,272 --> 00:25:59,092
Is that a timpani

664
00:26:00,172 --> 00:26:01,072
instead of a bass drum?

665
00:26:01,152 --> 00:26:01,672
I don't think so.

666
00:26:01,692 --> 00:26:01,702
It sounds like.

667
00:26:01,702 --> 00:26:02,612
I think it's a floor tom.

668
00:26:03,632 --> 00:26:04,722
That's a big-ass floor tom

669
00:26:04,732 --> 00:26:04,952
Maybe

670
00:26:05,092 --> 00:26:05,732
... low.

671
00:26:07,822 --> 00:26:08,852
Maybe it's a timpani. I don't know.

672
00:26:12,942 --> 00:26:14,452
And this backwards hi-hat pattern.

673
00:26:17,982 --> 00:26:18,482
Woo.

674
00:26:20,052 --> 00:26:21,572
Just the greatest band sounds, man.

675
00:26:21,702 --> 00:26:23,812
Man. Zawinul phrase that synthesizer.

676
00:26:26,172 --> 00:26:28,292
That's some badass right there.

677
00:26:36,032 --> 00:26:36,832
Desert Island?

678
00:26:50,752 --> 00:26:51,312
Jimi Hendrix

679
00:26:52,232 --> 00:26:53,272
influence there.

680
00:26:59,572 --> 00:26:59,712
Woo.

681
00:27:05,752 --> 00:27:06,072
Man.

682
00:27:08,092 --> 00:27:09,012
Oh, this is great.

683
00:27:20,722 --> 00:27:21,272
And that hi-hat.

684
00:27:26,612 --> 00:27:39,602
Come

685
00:27:39,712 --> 00:27:40,612
with.

686
00:27:50,632 --> 00:27:52,592
There's so much space. I forgot about that.

687
00:27:52,632 --> 00:27:56,192
For Jaco, as much as he's playing, when he's not playing, he ain't playing s**t.

688
00:27:56,912 --> 00:27:57,722
Well, that's what makes those-

689
00:27:57,912 --> 00:27:58,032
Yeah.

690
00:27:58,952 --> 00:27:59,732
... those things.

691
00:28:02,012 --> 00:28:04,352
It sounds like... What it sounds like is the bass drum.

692
00:28:04,412 --> 00:28:04,611
Woo.

693
00:28:06,192 --> 00:28:08,552
Such a stupid ending that works so well.

694
00:28:08,592 --> 00:28:08,602
I know.

695
00:28:08,612 --> 00:28:09,812
Why does that work so well?

696
00:28:09,842 --> 00:28:12,052
I know. That's another thing that if anybody else plays it like that-

697
00:28:12,072 --> 00:28:12,212
Oh, so-

698
00:28:12,242 --> 00:28:13,072
... stop it. Don't do it.

699
00:28:13,132 --> 00:28:15,902
Don't do it. But it works, so I would never change it. It's so great. Oh, yeah.

700
00:28:15,912 --> 00:28:17,752
That bass drum sounds like those big...

701
00:28:17,832 --> 00:28:20,172
Not the ones in the march, man, the ones in the symphony orchestra.

702
00:28:20,272 --> 00:28:20,432
Yeah.

703
00:28:20,492 --> 00:28:21,332
You know, with the felt-

704
00:28:21,652 --> 00:28:22,581
It might be something weird

705
00:28:22,581 --> 00:28:23,532
... like a big furry.

706
00:28:23,612 --> 00:28:26,872
I know we've got Weather Report nerds who know what that kit was made of.

707
00:28:26,882 --> 00:28:28,532
They're probably like, "That's the Bendolino Bendero-

708
00:28:28,712 --> 00:28:28,912
Yeah

709
00:28:29,032 --> 00:28:30,172
... Cinco de Partico."

710
00:28:30,612 --> 00:28:32,572
Yeah. That's a flag in the

711
00:28:33,672 --> 00:28:36,772
ground right there for Jaco. That's like, "Yo, I wrote this. I'm playing bass.

712
00:28:36,822 --> 00:28:38,801
I'm playing drums." It's all bass and drums-

713
00:28:38,932 --> 00:28:39,072
Yeah

714
00:28:39,252 --> 00:28:41,172
... aside from some textures from Wayne and Joe.

715
00:28:41,512 --> 00:28:43,592
Yeah, and they're all in the background doing the perfect stuff.

716
00:28:43,792 --> 00:28:43,992
Yeah.

717
00:28:44,152 --> 00:28:44,612
Oh, like-

718
00:28:44,712 --> 00:28:46,332
But it's just such a banger, man.

719
00:28:46,392 --> 00:28:49,912
Yeah. And it's the third song on the A side. I think too...

720
00:28:50,372 --> 00:28:53,682
On the first side. What's interesting about this too,

721
00:28:54,692 --> 00:28:54,942
like

722
00:28:56,331 --> 00:28:58,552
it's almost like a swing beat turned backwards.

723
00:28:58,632 --> 00:28:58,832
Yeah.

724
00:28:58,892 --> 00:29:01,492
You know what I mean? Can you play just the beginning of, if you don't mind?

725
00:29:03,052 --> 00:29:03,732
Oh, first of all,

726
00:29:04,592 --> 00:29:07,272
you know why I like to pause it with... This is a great drum intro.

727
00:29:07,312 --> 00:29:07,742
This is a theme for the show.

728
00:29:07,752 --> 00:29:09,022
We forgot about this. Yeah.

729
00:29:09,052 --> 00:29:10,152
An off-kilter drum intro.

730
00:29:10,192 --> 00:29:11,972
Yeah, off-kilter. Man, he's just like-

731
00:29:12,012 --> 00:29:12,462
But it feels amazing

732
00:29:12,462 --> 00:29:15,752
... it's almost like Stevie Wonder playing some fast fusion on drums.

733
00:29:17,672 --> 00:29:19,352
Oh. And then, oh.

734
00:29:19,452 --> 00:29:20,652
I mean, I guess that's just a kick drum.

735
00:29:22,832 --> 00:29:25,432
Man, maybe some, just a weird lead tune.

736
00:29:26,772 --> 00:29:27,412
Well, we'll talk about-

737
00:29:27,592 --> 00:29:28,992
And that beep. Is that like...

738
00:29:31,152 --> 00:29:33,032
Joe was so good at getting the brass-

739
00:29:33,252 --> 00:29:33,352
Yeah

740
00:29:33,372 --> 00:29:36,112
... sounds on the keys on, which was not easy at that time.

741
00:29:36,152 --> 00:29:36,612
It wasn't like-

742
00:29:36,892 --> 00:29:37,012
Yeah

743
00:29:37,052 --> 00:29:39,192
... a few years later when the DX7 came, you could make trumpets.

744
00:29:39,252 --> 00:29:40,612
But Joe had it dialed in.

745
00:29:40,812 --> 00:29:41,022
Yeah.

746
00:29:41,022 --> 00:29:41,212
Yeah.

747
00:29:41,252 --> 00:29:43,092
But he gave it that brassy orchestra, like that

748
00:29:43,732 --> 00:29:44,332
Yeah.

749
00:29:45,372 --> 00:29:46,242
I think that

750
00:29:47,392 --> 00:29:50,052
it's so diabolical, right? And then

751
00:29:50,892 --> 00:29:54,292
and his command of that. But we forget how

752
00:29:54,372 --> 00:29:57,012
influential... I mean, yes, all the incredible left hand,

753
00:29:57,972 --> 00:30:01,712
just incredible technique that Jaco had. Everything.

754
00:30:01,772 --> 00:30:05,122
But with that fretless, with that, not vibrato, but

755
00:30:06,412 --> 00:30:07,432
yeah, it's like the slides-

756
00:30:07,472 --> 00:30:07,492
Yeah

757
00:30:07,502 --> 00:30:08,112
... or vibrato-

758
00:30:08,132 --> 00:30:08,182
Yeah

759
00:30:08,332 --> 00:30:10,952
... that you can do. So if the fret's there, you can't really do that.

760
00:30:10,972 --> 00:30:11,002
That's right.

761
00:30:11,002 --> 00:30:13,112
Or it's a different kind of sound. But the fretless open...

762
00:30:13,172 --> 00:30:16,552
And he wasn't the first one to play fretless, but it was like pre-Jaco-

763
00:30:16,852 --> 00:30:16,922
Yeah

764
00:30:16,922 --> 00:30:18,092
... on electric bass, and after.

765
00:30:18,172 --> 00:30:19,282
Yeah. No one plays fretless like that.

766
00:30:19,292 --> 00:30:20,912
The most influential, maybe of all time-

767
00:30:21,072 --> 00:30:21,082
For sure

768
00:30:21,082 --> 00:30:21,582
... on electric bass.

769
00:30:21,612 --> 00:30:23,552
Yeah, not the first, but maybe the best.

770
00:30:23,652 --> 00:30:26,452
Certainly for soloing. I mean, you talk about James Jamerson, obviously huge

771
00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:28,622
influence on electric bass players.

772
00:30:28,632 --> 00:30:31,892
But there's something so unique about the sound of a fretless bass.

773
00:30:31,912 --> 00:30:32,072
Yeah.

774
00:30:32,272 --> 00:30:33,602
It sounds like a bass, but

775
00:30:34,652 --> 00:30:36,712
what's so different about the tone?

776
00:30:36,752 --> 00:30:37,652
And it's got that sort of like

777
00:30:38,732 --> 00:30:39,432
thing that naturally-

778
00:30:39,442 --> 00:30:39,942
Right

779
00:30:39,442 --> 00:30:40,852
... happens because there's no fret.

780
00:30:41,312 --> 00:30:42,302
And you can play it out of tune. He didn't tune them.

781
00:30:42,312 --> 00:30:44,582
We should have Scott and Ian tell us about it.

782
00:30:44,592 --> 00:30:44,932
Yes.

783
00:30:45,012 --> 00:30:45,482
It'd be great to-

784
00:30:45,532 --> 00:30:45,542
Yes.

785
00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:47,082
I'm sure they've already made tons of videos about it.

786
00:30:47,132 --> 00:30:48,911
Scott's Bass Lessons. Shout out Scott and Ian.

787
00:30:49,692 --> 00:30:53,372
So now Jaco's going to switch to steel drums to play "Harlequin."

788
00:30:53,736 --> 00:30:55,416
Oh, he plays too. I never knew that.

789
00:30:56,496 --> 00:30:58,996
Another great, oh, another great off-kilter insert right here.

790
00:31:03,836 --> 00:31:06,596
Okay. So, I was so confused over this.

791
00:31:06,896 --> 00:31:08,796
Okay, at the beginning, do you know...

792
00:31:09,296 --> 00:31:11,136
Count it off with the intro how it feels to you.

793
00:31:11,146 --> 00:31:11,376
Okay, you ready?

794
00:31:11,656 --> 00:31:12,156
Just count.

795
00:31:12,856 --> 00:31:14,076
Two, three-

796
00:31:14,176 --> 00:31:14,596
Wrong

797
00:31:14,696 --> 00:31:14,916
... four.

798
00:31:14,996 --> 00:31:15,556
Wrong.

799
00:31:15,756 --> 00:31:18,616
One, two, three, four.

800
00:31:18,706 --> 00:31:19,236
And a half.

801
00:31:20,166 --> 00:31:21,316
One, two, three-

802
00:31:21,516 --> 00:31:22,486
Yeah, that's what I thought

803
00:31:22,836 --> 00:31:22,886
... four.

804
00:31:22,886 --> 00:31:22,896
It's not.

805
00:31:22,896 --> 00:31:23,096
What the what?

806
00:31:23,336 --> 00:31:25,956
Yeah, so do it again. And, I mean, this is the great thing.

807
00:31:26,116 --> 00:31:28,696
You don't have to know this, but it's kind of fun, and don't feel bad.

808
00:31:28,756 --> 00:31:30,956
I didn't know this for years. But you play it again.

809
00:31:32,576 --> 00:31:33,396
One-

810
00:31:33,456 --> 00:31:33,545
Four

811
00:31:33,545 --> 00:31:35,826
... four. One, two, three-

812
00:31:36,036 --> 00:31:37,906
No, no, no. Start again, guys

813
00:31:37,996 --> 00:31:38,026
... four.

814
00:31:38,076 --> 00:31:38,835
One.

815
00:31:39,216 --> 00:31:39,356
Ah.

816
00:31:39,706 --> 00:31:40,936
Hold on. We're gonna get it. We're gonna get it. Ready?

817
00:31:41,676 --> 00:31:43,096
And two, and three.

818
00:31:43,256 --> 00:31:45,015
And four. And one.

819
00:31:45,136 --> 00:31:45,916
And two.

820
00:31:45,996 --> 00:31:46,836
And three.

821
00:31:46,896 --> 00:31:48,696
And four. And one.

822
00:31:48,816 --> 00:31:49,456
And two.

823
00:31:49,685 --> 00:31:50,916
And three. And then they-

824
00:31:50,996 --> 00:31:51,146
Got it.

825
00:31:51,156 --> 00:31:53,696
And then, but you know what's so slick about it?

826
00:31:54,536 --> 00:31:58,376
Is Joe just switches over during the big drum thing, so you don't notice.

827
00:31:58,416 --> 00:31:59,576
You think that that's constant.

828
00:31:59,656 --> 00:31:59,796
Yeah.

829
00:31:59,936 --> 00:32:03,816
He slides back that chord from off the beat to on the

830
00:32:03,876 --> 00:32:06,236
beat. It's kind of seamless, but it gives you a little bit of...

831
00:32:08,776 --> 00:32:09,436
It is a Zawinul.

832
00:32:09,596 --> 00:32:11,956
A Zawinul. The javelin?

833
00:32:12,616 --> 00:32:13,376
Zawinul.

834
00:32:17,316 --> 00:32:19,976
More great phrasing, melodic, synthesized.

835
00:32:24,316 --> 00:32:27,556
I think Jaco slipped the mixing engineer a couple of hundred dollars to

836
00:32:28,236 --> 00:32:29,816
protract, to push him up in the mix.

837
00:32:34,136 --> 00:32:35,736
Yeah, we'll talk about the production at the end.

838
00:32:36,936 --> 00:32:38,276
I've got some notes.

839
00:32:38,396 --> 00:32:39,156
Slight quibbles.

840
00:32:45,176 --> 00:32:45,756
This is a little

841
00:32:46,656 --> 00:32:48,796
Secrets headhunters-y a little bit.

842
00:32:49,036 --> 00:32:50,156
It definitely is.

843
00:33:08,886 --> 00:33:08,916
Ah.

844
00:33:08,916 --> 00:33:11,196
That's the jazz guys messing it up with too much stuff, right?

845
00:33:11,476 --> 00:33:14,496
I love it. Love it. Yay. Hercules, Hercules.

846
00:33:15,356 --> 00:33:15,756
Ah.

847
00:33:22,346 --> 00:33:24,176
A lot of overdubbing on this record, obviously.

848
00:33:27,416 --> 00:33:27,976
I'm assuming.

849
00:33:39,705 --> 00:33:43,476
Man, Joe Zawinul, big influence on Joe Sample.

850
00:33:44,156 --> 00:33:47,236
You hear it in his phrasing, his lines, harmonic approach. I don't know.

851
00:33:47,306 --> 00:33:48,376
It just hit me. I never thought about it.

852
00:33:51,096 --> 00:33:52,856
Oh, that's a badass line he just played.

853
00:34:05,976 --> 00:34:07,896
That's what I think is like another vocal kind of thing.

854
00:34:08,857 --> 00:34:08,865
Ah.

855
00:34:08,897 --> 00:34:10,176
I think that's a synthesizer there.

856
00:34:10,397 --> 00:34:11,096
Yeah, I think it is too.

857
00:34:13,516 --> 00:34:14,296
A one.

858
00:34:21,616 --> 00:34:22,796
I'm so stupid.

859
00:34:22,836 --> 00:34:23,336
It's great.

860
00:34:31,776 --> 00:34:31,957
Mm.

861
00:34:39,446 --> 00:34:40,056
Whoa.

862
00:34:41,116 --> 00:34:41,996
Ah, it's Acuña.

863
00:34:49,836 --> 00:34:50,176
Woo.

864
00:34:53,296 --> 00:34:53,616
Hey.

865
00:34:53,656 --> 00:34:53,937
Ah.

866
00:34:54,457 --> 00:34:55,496
That's a Stevie fill.

867
00:35:09,876 --> 00:35:10,956
Ah, Wayne Shorter.

868
00:35:11,316 --> 00:35:12,816
This is some of the multitrack playing.

869
00:35:24,436 --> 00:35:26,536
I don't know. I just realized I had my notes here.

870
00:35:27,076 --> 00:35:29,216
"Features steel drums played by Jaco."

871
00:35:31,036 --> 00:35:32,336
I don't hear any steel drums in that at all.

872
00:35:32,976 --> 00:35:33,006
I don't either.

873
00:35:33,006 --> 00:35:33,806
I don't even know why that's in there.

874
00:35:33,816 --> 00:35:34,796
People are saying that there's steel drums.

875
00:35:34,836 --> 00:35:37,636
People are saying there are steel drums in there, but I don't think that's the

876
00:35:37,676 --> 00:35:38,436
case. That must be a mistake.

877
00:35:38,476 --> 00:35:42,286
Maybe that's what he was playing on... No, that wouldn't be steel drums, though.

878
00:35:42,286 --> 00:35:43,856
No. The next track is interesting, because-

879
00:35:43,906 --> 00:35:44,756
This is a fun little aside.

880
00:35:44,816 --> 00:35:45,086
I was just...

881
00:35:45,576 --> 00:35:47,046
Shout out to St. Thomas. We love the island.

882
00:35:47,076 --> 00:35:49,616
Hey. This is written by Badrena and Acuña.

883
00:35:49,636 --> 00:35:51,506
Recorded live at the Montreux Jazz Festival.

884
00:35:51,506 --> 00:35:52,736
By Badrena. By Badrena.

885
00:35:54,136 --> 00:35:57,036
Jazz Festival, July 8, 19-

886
00:35:57,096 --> 00:35:58,496
Montreux. Montreux.

887
00:35:58,796 --> 00:35:58,806
Montreux.

888
00:36:00,016 --> 00:36:01,306
July 8, 1976.

889
00:36:01,336 --> 00:36:03,776
Okay. Can we talk about this track before we play it?

890
00:36:03,896 --> 00:36:04,195
Okay, go.

891
00:36:05,396 --> 00:36:05,796
We'll talk.

892
00:36:07,376 --> 00:36:09,106
Well, it's very different from everything else.

893
00:36:09,116 --> 00:36:10,056
It's weird, right?

894
00:36:10,216 --> 00:36:10,746
Well, let's listen to this.

895
00:36:10,776 --> 00:36:12,216
And isn't this at the beginning of the-

896
00:36:13,096 --> 00:36:13,436
Side B?

897
00:36:14,016 --> 00:36:15,016
Yeah, the second... Isn't it?

898
00:36:15,076 --> 00:36:15,516
I think so.

899
00:36:15,676 --> 00:36:17,886
Yeah. I remember it being a little bit.

900
00:36:17,936 --> 00:36:18,136
I was like,

901
00:36:18,996 --> 00:36:21,676
you know what? Can I be fully honest?

902
00:36:21,696 --> 00:36:21,836
Go.

903
00:36:22,056 --> 00:36:22,856
I used to skip this track.

904
00:36:23,256 --> 00:36:23,976
"Rumba Mama."

905
00:36:24,196 --> 00:36:24,636
On LP.

906
00:36:27,696 --> 00:36:29,336
It's great, but it's just me.

907
00:36:29,596 --> 00:36:31,015
Badrena? Badrena? No.

908
00:36:31,456 --> 00:36:32,096
You got in my head now.

909
00:36:32,116 --> 00:36:32,536
Badrena?

910
00:36:39,096 --> 00:36:39,106
I

911
00:36:40,936 --> 00:36:41,186
don't

912
00:36:42,096 --> 00:36:42,576
know. It's, uh,

913
00:36:43,496 --> 00:36:45,076
a Badrena. A Badrena.

914
00:37:23,966 --> 00:37:27,746
I can't believe you used to skip this.

915
00:37:28,286 --> 00:37:30,206
I was a stupid nerd kid, because I was

916
00:37:31,686 --> 00:37:32,586
obsessed with

917
00:37:33,506 --> 00:37:34,806
piano. So-

918
00:37:35,066 --> 00:37:35,906
You didn't have piano.

919
00:37:37,476 --> 00:37:39,066
Yeah. No, it was just like-

920
00:37:39,126 --> 00:37:40,506
Not much for passion or soul, I get it.

921
00:37:40,606 --> 00:37:43,826
Yeah. I mean, I was 12 years old, or 13. I don't know.

922
00:37:45,606 --> 00:37:46,166
I was killing it.

923
00:37:48,395 --> 00:37:48,766
Damn.

924
00:37:50,066 --> 00:37:53,166
And I remember when they, not this band, but when they used to have the drum

925
00:37:53,866 --> 00:37:55,806
tune interludes with Weather Report, it was stunning.

926
00:38:05,476 --> 00:38:06,026
Come on!

927
00:38:06,986 --> 00:38:10,706
And this became very influential for bands in this time, all the way up through the

928
00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:13,976
mid-'80s, to do these, especially at live festivals.

929
00:38:14,026 --> 00:38:16,096
I remember doing this with Dianne Reeves a bunch of times, with

930
00:38:17,686 --> 00:38:19,946
the drummer, Munyungo Jackson, the percussionist.

931
00:38:21,446 --> 00:38:23,426
Yeah. Pretty great beat. Pretty great.

932
00:38:23,506 --> 00:38:26,526
No, of course, it's great. But it's weird placement on this record.

933
00:38:26,546 --> 00:38:30,396
And to me, it's like a live track. It's not...

934
00:38:30,886 --> 00:38:31,526
I don't know.

935
00:38:31,706 --> 00:38:32,376
It's two minutes.

936
00:38:32,746 --> 00:38:32,826
Yeah.

937
00:38:32,866 --> 00:38:33,286
What are you going to do?

938
00:38:33,716 --> 00:38:33,836
No, it's fine.

939
00:38:33,846 --> 00:38:34,186
The next track-

940
00:38:34,226 --> 00:38:34,536
It's just filler

941
00:38:34,786 --> 00:38:35,406
... is the only-

942
00:38:35,416 --> 00:38:35,966
Great filler

943
00:38:35,986 --> 00:38:38,206
... the only track that was composed by Wayne Shorter.

944
00:38:38,366 --> 00:38:38,376
Yeah.

945
00:38:38,376 --> 00:38:39,076
This is called "Palladium."

946
00:38:46,426 --> 00:38:46,666
Woo!

947
00:38:49,566 --> 00:38:50,926
Now, here's a little shades of "Secrets."

948
00:38:53,506 --> 00:38:54,046
You think?

949
00:38:54,106 --> 00:38:54,266
Yeah.

950
00:38:54,326 --> 00:38:54,546
No.

951
00:38:55,646 --> 00:38:55,906
Herbie?

952
00:38:58,796 --> 00:38:59,186
Okay.

953
00:39:02,056 --> 00:39:02,896
When's the "Secrets" vibe?

954
00:39:04,076 --> 00:39:04,606
Did we do it?

955
00:39:04,666 --> 00:39:05,066
We didn't.

956
00:39:05,166 --> 00:39:05,946
Oh, God. What are we-

957
00:39:19,856 --> 00:39:22,646
This is an unusual Wayne tune, but it's got some Wayne-isms in it.

958
00:39:25,006 --> 00:39:26,906
Woo. Yeah, like the...

959
00:39:29,336 --> 00:39:30,166
I think this is killing, too.

960
00:39:30,186 --> 00:39:30,726
It is killing.

961
00:39:35,386 --> 00:39:35,406
I

962
00:39:36,326 --> 00:39:37,546
just want to go back to your hot take.

963
00:39:37,686 --> 00:39:37,806
Yeah.

964
00:39:38,226 --> 00:39:40,866
You're absolutely right. "Birdland" seems very

965
00:39:42,786 --> 00:39:43,546
not as heavy-

966
00:39:43,766 --> 00:39:43,986
Right

967
00:39:44,006 --> 00:39:45,526
... as the other stuff on "Heavy Weather."

968
00:39:45,746 --> 00:39:48,106
Or, as you said before the mics came on, we were outside,

969
00:39:48,926 --> 00:39:49,036
don't speak.

970
00:39:49,036 --> 00:39:49,805
Vaping. Damn.

971
00:39:49,856 --> 00:39:50,596
"Birdland" sucks.

972
00:39:50,666 --> 00:39:51,246
Don't leave.

973
00:39:56,226 --> 00:39:56,406
Woo.

974
00:39:56,446 --> 00:39:56,746
Huh.

975
00:40:08,006 --> 00:40:11,726
Man, Wayne, the logic of his compositions is

976
00:40:12,146 --> 00:40:13,166
off the charts, man.

977
00:40:18,836 --> 00:40:22,746
Woo. The way that the melodies resolve, the architecture

978
00:40:22,766 --> 00:40:23,066
of it.

979
00:40:23,886 --> 00:40:26,346
Oh, it's so satisfying, man.

980
00:40:30,066 --> 00:40:31,366
Is that Rhodes? That's Rhodes, isn't it?

981
00:40:31,646 --> 00:40:31,876
Yeah.

982
00:40:31,956 --> 00:40:32,186
God, yeah.

983
00:40:32,686 --> 00:40:33,666
It's a real crispy Rhodes.

984
00:40:33,676 --> 00:40:35,766
It's crispy. It's a little overdriven, just a little bit.

985
00:40:35,775 --> 00:40:36,106
Yeah, a little bit.

986
00:40:37,246 --> 00:40:37,546
Oh.

987
00:40:40,706 --> 00:40:42,275
I love Jaco's playing on this. Just-

988
00:40:42,286 --> 00:40:42,866
It's so great

989
00:40:42,906 --> 00:40:44,326
... relentless, man.

990
00:40:45,126 --> 00:40:47,746
Oh. And busy, but great.

991
00:40:47,826 --> 00:40:48,966
The sound when he goes up.

992
00:40:50,946 --> 00:40:51,086
Yeah.

993
00:40:51,426 --> 00:40:51,706
To those-

994
00:40:51,746 --> 00:40:53,286
That brassy keys that... Oh.

995
00:40:55,306 --> 00:40:55,706
Woo.

996
00:40:57,826 --> 00:41:00,406
Wayne Shorter, there's something about his compositions.

997
00:41:04,586 --> 00:41:08,186
Man, he's just so in command of the elements of music.

998
00:41:08,246 --> 00:41:11,566
It's very much Thelonious Monkish,

999
00:41:11,956 --> 00:41:15,926
where you're like, "Oh, I could've come up with that." No, you couldn't have.

1000
00:41:21,386 --> 00:41:22,046
It's a...

1001
00:41:22,126 --> 00:41:22,405
Okay.

1002
00:41:30,306 --> 00:41:31,226
Speak, man. Speak.

1003
00:41:31,286 --> 00:41:32,726
All right. I'm going to do my equivalent now.

1004
00:41:32,886 --> 00:41:33,386
Okay. Let's do it.

1005
00:41:33,726 --> 00:41:35,766
Only because the synths on "Palladium"-

1006
00:41:35,946 --> 00:41:36,066
Yeah

1007
00:41:36,186 --> 00:41:37,686
... are so f*****g amazing.

1008
00:41:37,786 --> 00:41:37,926
Yeah.

1009
00:41:37,946 --> 00:41:39,886
They sound so good. Joe has them so dialed in.

1010
00:41:40,906 --> 00:41:43,506
The production on this album bothers me a little bit, in that-

1011
00:41:43,566 --> 00:41:43,686
Yeah

1012
00:41:43,706 --> 00:41:46,136
... it feels kind of thin, in that it feels very

1013
00:41:46,506 --> 00:41:49,366
top-heavy. There's a lot of high end on things.

1014
00:41:49,446 --> 00:41:50,146
Yeah, even the bass.

1015
00:41:50,406 --> 00:41:53,866
Even the bass. And I wonder what it would sound like if it was

1016
00:41:53,886 --> 00:41:56,326
recorded in Stevie's classic run-

1017
00:41:56,426 --> 00:41:56,606
Mm

1018
00:41:56,646 --> 00:42:00,106
... with those guys, or if it was recorded with

1019
00:42:00,646 --> 00:42:01,346
the Headhunters.

1020
00:42:01,586 --> 00:42:01,926
Yeah.

1021
00:42:01,966 --> 00:42:03,726
Dryness and warmth, right?

1022
00:42:03,806 --> 00:42:05,456
Yeah. There's just maybe a little more consistency, too.

1023
00:42:05,646 --> 00:42:09,536
You mentioned "Secrets," the synths, I don't think sound

1024
00:42:09,646 --> 00:42:11,866
quite as good. Herbie doesn't have them as dialed in as

1025
00:42:12,706 --> 00:42:14,046
what Joe's able to do.

1026
00:42:14,226 --> 00:42:14,386
Yeah.

1027
00:42:14,626 --> 00:42:16,496
Joe has so many textures on this album.

1028
00:42:16,566 --> 00:42:16,746
Yeah.

1029
00:42:16,826 --> 00:42:18,756
There's just an amazing array of textures.

1030
00:42:19,106 --> 00:42:22,586
But I feel a little cheated, I wish it was a little warmer, and that's-

1031
00:42:22,606 --> 00:42:22,766
Yeah

1032
00:42:22,806 --> 00:42:26,446
... just a personal preference. I'm sure some people love the way this sounds.

1033
00:42:26,546 --> 00:42:30,226
I honestly think the only track it really works well on is "Teen Town."

1034
00:42:30,646 --> 00:42:34,366
I think, for whatever reason, that high-end reverb that they have on "Teen

1035
00:42:34,426 --> 00:42:34,746
Town"-

1036
00:42:35,086 --> 00:42:35,156
Yeah

1037
00:42:35,166 --> 00:42:37,226
... it's on almost every track, actually.

1038
00:42:37,266 --> 00:42:40,386
But it really works in that scenario because it's kind of a sparse arrangement.

1039
00:42:40,426 --> 00:42:40,666
Yeah.

1040
00:42:40,686 --> 00:42:41,586
A sparse orchestration.

1041
00:42:41,806 --> 00:42:41,946
Yeah.

1042
00:42:41,966 --> 00:42:43,186
But on "Palladium,"

1043
00:42:44,266 --> 00:42:47,646
on "A Remark You Made," on "Harlequin," on

1044
00:42:48,506 --> 00:42:52,466
"The Juggler," I want to hear the full richness of those

1045
00:42:52,966 --> 00:42:54,096
analog synthesizers-

1046
00:42:54,266 --> 00:42:54,366
Yeah

1047
00:42:54,376 --> 00:42:57,786
... that Joe's playing, and I sometimes don't feel... And the bass too.

1048
00:42:58,146 --> 00:42:58,266
Right.

1049
00:42:58,446 --> 00:42:59,925
Sometimes I don't feel like I get it. That's all.

1050
00:43:00,786 --> 00:43:03,766
Yeah. I almost feel like Wayne's sound is the most consistent.

1051
00:43:03,886 --> 00:43:07,826
I'm not getting- One of my quibble bits, since we're throwing these around,

1052
00:43:08,206 --> 00:43:10,426
is just always just more Wayne. You know what I mean?

1053
00:43:10,726 --> 00:43:10,826
Yeah.

1054
00:43:11,346 --> 00:43:13,606
But that's also not what this record's about. I get it.

1055
00:43:13,626 --> 00:43:16,806
There's plenty of other Wayne. But I would agree on the sound.

1056
00:43:16,826 --> 00:43:18,206
But what he does is so beautiful.

1057
00:43:18,246 --> 00:43:19,166
Oh, it's so great. Yeah.

1058
00:43:19,986 --> 00:43:20,806
But, I think

1059
00:43:21,726 --> 00:43:24,326
I would agree on the sound. I do think that there are times, I actually think a

1060
00:43:24,346 --> 00:43:27,966
remark you made, I'm pretty much cool with almost all the sound.

1061
00:43:28,016 --> 00:43:31,746
The single line synth stuff is stunning, that Zawinul

1062
00:43:31,766 --> 00:43:33,956
does. And I'm sure if you listen to it, yeah, could-

1063
00:43:33,986 --> 00:43:34,746
The pads are stunning.

1064
00:43:34,886 --> 00:43:34,996
Yeah.

1065
00:43:34,996 --> 00:43:36,206
Everything is stunning. It's so precise.

1066
00:43:36,216 --> 00:43:38,386
And Birdland is a kickass mix.

1067
00:43:38,426 --> 00:43:38,716
But I don't-

1068
00:43:38,766 --> 00:43:39,866
That's part of the success of it.

1069
00:43:39,926 --> 00:43:43,486
I guess so. But I don't know if I agree, honestly.

1070
00:43:43,566 --> 00:43:43,635
I think-

1071
00:43:43,666 --> 00:43:45,446
I just feel it's uneven. I think Palladium is one.

1072
00:43:45,846 --> 00:43:47,666
When it goes down to that base, to that low-

1073
00:43:47,706 --> 00:43:48,646
That big base synth?

1074
00:43:48,706 --> 00:43:49,146
Oh, man, it's

1075
00:43:49,986 --> 00:43:53,826
off, it's not even off mix, it's like disturbing to the

1076
00:43:53,866 --> 00:43:54,986
architecture of the tune.

1077
00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,906
It doesn't use what's so good about that sound, in my opinion.

1078
00:43:58,036 --> 00:43:58,116
Yeah.

1079
00:43:58,146 --> 00:44:02,106
I'm sure, again, I'm not an expert on production, but I just

1080
00:44:02,146 --> 00:44:03,706
feel like, I don't know, it's-

1081
00:44:03,846 --> 00:44:07,486
Yeah, I couldn't say this is an incredible sounding record.

1082
00:44:07,536 --> 00:44:07,926
I think, yeah.

1083
00:44:08,106 --> 00:44:10,976
Yeah. But I do at times. I don't know, to me, it doesn't

1084
00:44:12,206 --> 00:44:13,516
ruin the experience. That's what I mean.

1085
00:44:13,516 --> 00:44:16,546
No, not at all. No, we're talking about a very, this is a B plus.

1086
00:44:16,586 --> 00:44:16,986
It's not like-

1087
00:44:16,996 --> 00:44:19,346
Yeah. There are times, though, like what we just heard, that it does kind of like-

1088
00:44:19,446 --> 00:44:19,836
I just wish-

1089
00:44:19,906 --> 00:44:20,206
Get in the way.

1090
00:44:20,246 --> 00:44:21,546
You just wish you had a little bit more

1091
00:44:22,646 --> 00:44:24,066
oomph to those sounds.

1092
00:44:24,076 --> 00:44:24,496
Yeah. And I never-

1093
00:44:24,586 --> 00:44:25,566
Because I know they're there.

1094
00:44:25,616 --> 00:44:26,116
Right.

1095
00:44:26,286 --> 00:44:29,286
If we were in the room with it, the oomph would be so with you.

1096
00:44:29,296 --> 00:44:29,326
Right.

1097
00:44:29,326 --> 00:44:31,606
When those big analog synths can make those huge sounds.

1098
00:44:31,666 --> 00:44:33,406
Maybe they just did not record them great yet.

1099
00:44:33,926 --> 00:44:35,166
No, '77, buddy. They-

1100
00:44:35,246 --> 00:44:35,776
Oh, that's true

1101
00:44:35,846 --> 00:44:36,556
... they're doing it. This is like-

1102
00:44:36,566 --> 00:44:39,176
Robert Margouleff and Malcolm Cecil knew how to record.

1103
00:44:39,226 --> 00:44:41,186
Asia's the same year. They knew how to record them.

1104
00:44:42,206 --> 00:44:42,946
75 times.

1105
00:44:43,636 --> 00:44:43,646
Yeah.

1106
00:44:43,646 --> 00:44:44,506
Well, I think too,

1107
00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:47,476
one thing that I do think is

1108
00:44:48,346 --> 00:44:50,606
consistently subpar is the piano sound.

1109
00:44:50,936 --> 00:44:54,486
And there's actually, in going back and preparing for this, I had forgotten how

1110
00:44:54,546 --> 00:44:58,276
much, the synth stuff and the Rhodes and Wurli stuff that

1111
00:44:59,146 --> 00:45:01,656
Joe does is so amazing. He plays a fair amount of piano on this record.

1112
00:45:01,746 --> 00:45:02,796
Yeah. He's such a good-

1113
00:45:02,796 --> 00:45:04,886
And none of that is a great sound.

1114
00:45:05,046 --> 00:45:05,085
Yeah.

1115
00:45:05,106 --> 00:45:07,036
The acoustic piano's not great. But this is not the era for great-

1116
00:45:07,046 --> 00:45:08,446
It's not that kind of thing, though.

1117
00:45:08,456 --> 00:45:08,466
Yeah.

1118
00:45:08,466 --> 00:45:10,706
But he's playing such great piano, too.

1119
00:45:10,866 --> 00:45:11,006
Yeah.

1120
00:45:11,186 --> 00:45:13,846
Yeah. Next up is "The Juggler." This is another Zawinul.

1121
00:45:13,855 --> 00:45:14,265
Oh, I know this song.

1122
00:45:20,955 --> 00:45:21,386
This is...

1123
00:45:34,306 --> 00:45:36,626
This always reminded me of Bartók when I first heard it.

1124
00:46:02,626 --> 00:46:03,646
Ooh, dynamics.

1125
00:46:10,746 --> 00:46:11,726
Wayne on soprano.

1126
00:46:19,226 --> 00:46:20,026
Such a cool idea.

1127
00:46:23,496 --> 00:46:24,266
This is an epic

1128
00:46:25,246 --> 00:46:25,826
vibe, right?

1129
00:46:33,646 --> 00:46:33,826
Yeah.

1130
00:46:33,846 --> 00:46:34,966
Some high-level shaker work.

1131
00:46:35,066 --> 00:46:35,545
Yeah, man.

1132
00:46:39,926 --> 00:46:40,506
That melody.

1133
00:46:41,666 --> 00:46:44,766
That's gutsy to play after Wayne Shorter on soprano's playing the melody.

1134
00:46:46,476 --> 00:46:47,326
And he pulls it off.

1135
00:46:48,166 --> 00:46:48,256
Oh.

1136
00:47:00,946 --> 00:47:03,246
The percussion's recorded really well on this record.

1137
00:47:10,986 --> 00:47:12,406
Hey, come on.

1138
00:47:27,246 --> 00:47:27,606
Woo.

1139
00:47:37,906 --> 00:47:38,986
Folk music of the future.

1140
00:47:41,306 --> 00:47:41,646
Good call.

1141
00:48:01,326 --> 00:48:01,566
Ah.

1142
00:48:14,196 --> 00:48:16,466
This has the feel of

1143
00:48:18,606 --> 00:48:19,946
being through composed.

1144
00:48:20,746 --> 00:48:21,466
Well, is it?

1145
00:48:22,266 --> 00:48:22,586
Yes.

1146
00:48:22,706 --> 00:48:22,956
Oh, man.

1147
00:48:23,066 --> 00:48:24,506
That's kind of their thing, right?

1148
00:48:24,546 --> 00:48:25,566
A remark you made-

1149
00:48:25,706 --> 00:48:25,846
Yeah

1150
00:48:26,146 --> 00:48:30,026
... is like, if you can go search and find the lead sheet for

1151
00:48:30,086 --> 00:48:30,226
that-

1152
00:48:30,366 --> 00:48:30,506
Right.

1153
00:48:30,636 --> 00:48:31,886
... it's wild, man.

1154
00:48:32,166 --> 00:48:32,176
Yeah.

1155
00:48:32,186 --> 00:48:34,786
That's, I think, Weather Report's strongest gear-

1156
00:48:35,006 --> 00:48:35,286
Yeah

1157
00:48:35,306 --> 00:48:38,986
... is like these semi or truly through composed pieces

1158
00:48:39,366 --> 00:48:39,446
that-

1159
00:48:39,456 --> 00:48:40,996
Well, at least they come off that way to the listener

1160
00:48:40,996 --> 00:48:44,006
... or they come off that way, but they're very special.

1161
00:48:44,076 --> 00:48:44,086
Yeah.

1162
00:48:44,086 --> 00:48:46,066
And it's got to be hard to put together.

1163
00:48:47,166 --> 00:48:48,646
These are so intricate.

1164
00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:49,026
Yeah.

1165
00:48:49,066 --> 00:48:49,506
You know what I mean?

1166
00:48:49,786 --> 00:48:53,166
And it takes you on a journey. It's got an epic feel to it.

1167
00:48:53,206 --> 00:48:55,006
It's very cinematic. It's very atmospheric.

1168
00:48:55,246 --> 00:48:55,655
Cinematic is a great-

1169
00:48:55,655 --> 00:48:57,406
It's like, this could've been the greatest

1170
00:48:58,346 --> 00:49:02,286
gaming music ever. Could you imagine going to different parts of it on a

1171
00:49:02,386 --> 00:49:02,886
quest?

1172
00:49:03,746 --> 00:49:05,326
It's a story. It really is.

1173
00:49:05,366 --> 00:49:08,486
It feels like it could be like, this song could be on the Blade Runner soundtrack

1174
00:49:08,526 --> 00:49:09,186
in 1980.

1175
00:49:09,546 --> 00:49:11,905
Yeah. This could be great mood, high-level movie music.

1176
00:49:11,946 --> 00:49:13,096
Yeah, for sure. I think-

1177
00:49:13,566 --> 00:49:14,046
1980

1178
00:49:15,276 --> 00:49:16,256
I got one for you.

1179
00:49:16,456 --> 00:49:16,536
Yeah.

1180
00:49:16,876 --> 00:49:17,696
I got a question for you.

1181
00:49:17,856 --> 00:49:18,226
Okay, what do you got?

1182
00:49:18,556 --> 00:49:19,656
Which has aged better,

1183
00:49:21,596 --> 00:49:25,076
Wayne's soprano sound on "The Juggler" or

1184
00:49:25,156 --> 00:49:26,756
"Birdland" as a composition?

1185
00:49:27,066 --> 00:49:27,436
"Birdland."

1186
00:49:28,616 --> 00:49:30,446
No, of course. Of course, it's Wayne's soprano sound.

1187
00:49:30,456 --> 00:49:33,236
So that's my thing with this record. I have to say this.

1188
00:49:33,276 --> 00:49:36,976
This is a little bit of an uneven record because the highs are so high.

1189
00:49:37,076 --> 00:49:38,976
I'm not even going to say for fusion.

1190
00:49:39,036 --> 00:49:42,926
To me, this is '70s jazz in the same way that

1191
00:49:42,926 --> 00:49:44,146
"Headhunters," the same way that "Symphonic"-

1192
00:49:44,236 --> 00:49:44,456
Yeah.

1193
00:49:44,516 --> 00:49:45,636
Same way that "Mwandishi."

1194
00:49:45,696 --> 00:49:46,346
That's right.

1195
00:49:46,346 --> 00:49:47,416
Like this.

1196
00:49:47,436 --> 00:49:49,196
I agree. But I don't agree that it's an uneven record.

1197
00:49:49,296 --> 00:49:52,516
I do agree that "Birdland" is the weakest track, but the rest of the album,

1198
00:49:53,276 --> 00:49:55,176
every track is pretty amazing.

1199
00:49:55,376 --> 00:49:55,676
Yeah.

1200
00:49:55,776 --> 00:49:56,086
I think. I mean-

1201
00:49:56,096 --> 00:49:56,165
But

1202
00:49:57,216 --> 00:49:58,996
we're talking about some sound issues.

1203
00:49:59,036 --> 00:49:59,896
We're talking about

1204
00:50:00,876 --> 00:50:01,936
just a little bit-

1205
00:50:01,956 --> 00:50:04,576
But that's a preference. I'm sure some people love the way this sounds.

1206
00:50:04,636 --> 00:50:05,856
Right, but because there's such high...

1207
00:50:05,896 --> 00:50:08,805
I mean, some of the greatest synthesizer, at least single-line synthesizer, I would

1208
00:50:08,836 --> 00:50:10,316
say, on any record ever.

1209
00:50:10,336 --> 00:50:11,316
Polyphonically synthesizers.

1210
00:50:11,356 --> 00:50:15,056
And poly. Yeah, of course. But I'm saying, specifically, literally, best in

1211
00:50:15,116 --> 00:50:15,776
class.

1212
00:50:15,836 --> 00:50:16,216
Yeah.

1213
00:50:16,236 --> 00:50:18,056
Best in class soprano sax playing.

1214
00:50:18,076 --> 00:50:18,616
100%.

1215
00:50:18,776 --> 00:50:18,786
And "Birdland."

1216
00:50:18,876 --> 00:50:19,836
Drumming this off, by the way.

1217
00:50:20,316 --> 00:50:21,476
So that's uneven because the high-

1218
00:50:21,716 --> 00:50:23,376
Alex Acuña's playing is underrated.

1219
00:50:23,756 --> 00:50:24,266
Oh, absolutely. Oh, my-

1220
00:50:24,276 --> 00:50:25,456
Bro is thrashing.

1221
00:50:25,496 --> 00:50:28,856
And we're burying the lede. A gentleman by the name of Jaco

1222
00:50:28,896 --> 00:50:29,516
Pastorius.

1223
00:50:29,546 --> 00:50:30,046
Jaco Pastorius. Yeah. Crushing it.

1224
00:50:30,056 --> 00:50:30,956
Some of his best playing.

1225
00:50:31,056 --> 00:50:31,716
Absolutely. Yeah.

1226
00:50:31,776 --> 00:50:33,496
And composition. So that's what I'm saying.

1227
00:50:33,616 --> 00:50:36,076
The highs are so high, so to me, the lows...

1228
00:50:36,896 --> 00:50:38,996
Right. That's what I mean. It's fine.

1229
00:50:39,076 --> 00:50:41,036
It wouldn't be as much with-

1230
00:50:41,076 --> 00:50:42,076
I see your shoulder twitching.

1231
00:50:43,096 --> 00:50:43,516
I see my

1232
00:50:45,796 --> 00:50:48,156
jorts. Slipping on my jorts.

1233
00:50:48,176 --> 00:50:48,576
Jorts.

1234
00:50:50,076 --> 00:50:51,056
We joke because we love.

1235
00:50:52,236 --> 00:50:55,776
Okay. The record goes out. I always thought the name of this, Sumi,

1236
00:50:56,296 --> 00:50:58,176
I got this wrong, was "Havana."

1237
00:50:58,916 --> 00:50:59,316
It's not.

1238
00:50:59,356 --> 00:51:00,075
It's "Havona."

1239
00:51:00,106 --> 00:51:01,015
"Havona," no.

1240
00:51:01,996 --> 00:51:02,656
No? Maybe.

1241
00:51:03,516 --> 00:51:04,336
It's "Havona." Yeah.

1242
00:51:04,406 --> 00:51:04,696
"Havona."

1243
00:51:04,776 --> 00:51:07,396
It's a Jaco Pastorius composition. A lot of people like to play this song.

1244
00:51:07,676 --> 00:51:08,976
Yeah. It's a badass.

1245
00:51:10,076 --> 00:51:10,356
Woo.

1246
00:51:11,616 --> 00:51:12,036
Epic.

1247
00:51:14,176 --> 00:51:16,076
Oh, here's another one. Slide right into the time.

1248
00:51:19,836 --> 00:51:20,296
Woo.

1249
00:51:22,256 --> 00:51:22,756
So killing.

1250
00:51:23,056 --> 00:51:24,735
Immediately hitting at the double time.

1251
00:51:27,196 --> 00:51:28,895
Oh, when he goes up to this major seventh.

1252
00:51:31,776 --> 00:51:32,336
Joe right here.

1253
00:51:33,796 --> 00:51:34,416
Oh.

1254
00:51:51,436 --> 00:51:53,116
Man, the drums are way down in the mix.

1255
00:52:08,986 --> 00:52:09,696
The bass player, too.

1256
00:52:10,516 --> 00:52:12,916
Simple, beautiful melody. All the action's on the bass.

1257
00:52:13,896 --> 00:52:15,556
Bass players love this album.

1258
00:52:15,616 --> 00:52:15,776
Yeah.

1259
00:52:15,796 --> 00:52:16,436
For good reason.

1260
00:52:17,956 --> 00:52:18,816
This and the Jaco-

1261
00:52:18,936 --> 00:52:19,796
Christian McBride loves this record.

1262
00:52:19,836 --> 00:52:21,136
I'm going to tell you my Christian story about this.

1263
00:52:21,236 --> 00:52:22,856
The Jaco Pastorius self-titled.

1264
00:52:23,396 --> 00:52:23,556
Yeah.

1265
00:52:23,676 --> 00:52:24,276
Bass players love it.

1266
00:52:24,316 --> 00:52:24,846
Of course. We should do that at some point.

1267
00:52:24,846 --> 00:52:25,786
"Columbia Records." That's a great album.

1268
00:52:25,796 --> 00:52:26,956
Was that before this one?

1269
00:52:27,876 --> 00:52:28,116
Oh.

1270
00:52:30,116 --> 00:52:31,316
Man, this is a killer solo here.

1271
00:52:39,026 --> 00:52:40,836
This is another gear for Zawinul.

1272
00:52:46,836 --> 00:52:47,386
What a player, man.

1273
00:52:47,456 --> 00:52:48,536
Jaco piano sound.

1274
00:52:54,136 --> 00:52:55,596
Sounds like it was recorded through a telephone.

1275
00:52:55,796 --> 00:52:56,036
Yeah.

1276
00:52:58,036 --> 00:52:59,696
Yeah.

1277
00:53:11,976 --> 00:53:13,116
Ooh, all those slides.

1278
00:53:14,756 --> 00:53:14,766
Woo.

1279
00:53:18,656 --> 00:53:19,016
Yeah.

1280
00:53:26,206 --> 00:53:27,986
Little

1281
00:53:29,016 --> 00:53:29,276
piano.

1282
00:53:30,316 --> 00:53:30,716
Piano mic.

1283
00:53:30,816 --> 00:53:31,255
Somebody call.

1284
00:53:31,486 --> 00:53:31,976
This is

1285
00:53:32,036 --> 00:53:36,856
an

1286
00:53:36,916 --> 00:53:39,716
actual microphone that our engineer, Sam, sometimes likes to use.

1287
00:53:39,776 --> 00:53:40,936
That's what the piano sounds like on here.

1288
00:53:41,005 --> 00:53:41,696
A little bit, yeah.

1289
00:53:43,436 --> 00:53:47,036
Killer bass sound, though.

1290
00:53:47,056 --> 00:53:47,996
Ah.

1291
00:53:50,756 --> 00:53:52,736
Oh, my God. How many gigs you been on with a bass player such as this?

1292
00:53:53,056 --> 00:53:54,016
Trying to play like this.

1293
00:53:57,816 --> 00:53:58,116
Hey.

1294
00:53:58,216 --> 00:53:58,636
Come on.

1295
00:54:02,676 --> 00:54:03,456
Joe's pads.

1296
00:54:07,126 --> 00:54:07,556
Damn.

1297
00:54:09,396 --> 00:54:09,976
Hey.

1298
00:54:11,296 --> 00:54:11,636
Woo.

1299
00:54:14,096 --> 00:54:14,356
Wee.

1300
00:54:14,596 --> 00:54:16,376
Guys.

1301
00:54:16,496 --> 00:54:17,556
Yeah.

1302
00:54:19,516 --> 00:54:21,536
Oh,

1303
00:54:22,716 --> 00:54:23,616
man.

1304
00:54:31,716 --> 00:54:31,996
Gah.

1305
00:54:38,316 --> 00:54:40,056
The lack of backbeat on this, but then,

1306
00:54:40,876 --> 00:54:41,096
sort

1307
00:54:42,036 --> 00:54:42,656
of pattern.

1308
00:55:01,005 --> 00:55:03,556
Yeah. It's a great ending to the record.

1309
00:55:04,136 --> 00:55:06,996
So I remember playing. Have you played any of these tunes before?

1310
00:55:07,016 --> 00:55:07,096
I mean-

1311
00:55:07,136 --> 00:55:07,546
Yeah, of course

1312
00:55:07,556 --> 00:55:07,876
... except for "Birdland."

1313
00:55:07,936 --> 00:55:08,376
No. Yeah.

1314
00:55:09,236 --> 00:55:11,216
The only time I have, I did a tour in

1315
00:55:13,136 --> 00:55:17,016
2000-ish, maybe even '99. I subbed for Geoff

1316
00:55:17,096 --> 00:55:20,944
Keezer on a little tour with the Christian McBride Band,

1317
00:55:21,044 --> 00:55:23,224
CMB at the time. You remember when it was Terri Lyne Carrington-

1318
00:55:23,244 --> 00:55:23,484
Totally

1319
00:55:23,864 --> 00:55:26,394
... Ron Blake. Great band. One of the best quartets.

1320
00:55:26,524 --> 00:55:28,884
I came in, and they were playing a lot of this music.

1321
00:55:28,944 --> 00:55:32,924
So we definitely played "A Remark You Made," "Harlequin," "Palladium," "The

1322
00:55:33,044 --> 00:55:36,704
Juggler," and "Havana." We did not play "Birdland" by the way.

1323
00:55:36,744 --> 00:55:37,384
Or "Teen Town."

1324
00:55:37,824 --> 00:55:40,644
We did not, which is crazy because of McBride. We might have.

1325
00:55:40,764 --> 00:55:43,604
I don't ever remember playing that. I know McBride knows all that stuff.

1326
00:55:43,784 --> 00:55:43,904
Sure.

1327
00:55:43,984 --> 00:55:47,024
But McBride has these awesome charts, not that Real

1328
00:55:47,544 --> 00:55:50,344
Book crap that's 94% accurate.

1329
00:55:50,484 --> 00:55:50,684
Yeah.

1330
00:55:50,744 --> 00:55:54,164
You talk about intricate charts, multiple pages for all these.

1331
00:55:54,204 --> 00:55:54,304
Yeah.

1332
00:55:54,364 --> 00:55:55,684
And that's where I learned most of this music.

1333
00:55:55,764 --> 00:55:55,994
Oh, that's great.

1334
00:55:56,024 --> 00:55:59,544
And it was so fun. The only problem was, at least the gig I remember in particular,

1335
00:55:59,624 --> 00:56:00,724
we were playing at

1336
00:56:01,704 --> 00:56:05,404
the Jazz Showcase in Chicago, right up 55 from here, 300 miles

1337
00:56:05,504 --> 00:56:09,344
north. Joe Segal, shout out, RIP Joe Segal,

1338
00:56:09,424 --> 00:56:11,424
used to be called the Joe Segal's Jazz Showcase.

1339
00:56:11,804 --> 00:56:14,614
Joe Segal was an amazing jazz club impresario.

1340
00:56:14,724 --> 00:56:16,864
I just realized this thing is shedding little-

1341
00:56:17,744 --> 00:56:20,044
Well, that's why it's taped up a bunch, Peter. That's why it's taped up.

1342
00:56:22,524 --> 00:56:23,764
Production, we have a problem.

1343
00:56:23,823 --> 00:56:24,724
He's holding up a phone.

1344
00:56:25,904 --> 00:56:29,344
Thank you. Shout out to our audio listeners. But we played.

1345
00:56:29,844 --> 00:56:32,824
Joe Segal, famously, he hated fusion music.

1346
00:56:33,404 --> 00:56:34,084
Oh, excellent.

1347
00:56:35,924 --> 00:56:35,934
It was.

1348
00:56:35,934 --> 00:56:36,944
So it was uncomfortable.

1349
00:56:37,024 --> 00:56:40,924
And Joe used to always be at the

1350
00:56:40,964 --> 00:56:43,444
front of the club when you'd come in. He would greet people and come in.

1351
00:56:43,484 --> 00:56:46,894
And when we came in, he made it like the whole run we were there for those

1352
00:56:47,164 --> 00:56:51,084
five or six days. I think we did six. This is back when you used to do full runs.

1353
00:56:51,124 --> 00:56:54,884
We were playing all this music and some other stuff. Christian had written...

1354
00:56:55,084 --> 00:56:57,594
He was playing mostly electric. It was jazz, but it was-

1355
00:56:57,594 --> 00:56:58,094
Yeah

1356
00:56:57,594 --> 00:56:57,864
... whatever.

1357
00:56:58,064 --> 00:56:58,384
Yeah.

1358
00:56:58,394 --> 00:56:59,014
It was this kind of stuff.

1359
00:57:01,004 --> 00:57:04,804
He had headphones on, big headphones, the entire time we were

1360
00:57:04,824 --> 00:57:06,984
playing, and he claimed he was a big Cubs fan.

1361
00:57:07,164 --> 00:57:07,384
Okay.

1362
00:57:07,504 --> 00:57:08,104
In Chicago.

1363
00:57:08,144 --> 00:57:08,344
Okay.

1364
00:57:08,524 --> 00:57:11,764
Because he loves Triple-A baseball. Oh. Well, just...

1365
00:57:12,484 --> 00:57:13,404
Uh-oh. He got scared.

1366
00:57:15,464 --> 00:57:19,394
Anyway, just kidding. Oh, no, I'm a Cardinals hater. Okay.

1367
00:57:19,404 --> 00:57:20,714
You can't say that anymore. We can't say that.

1368
00:57:20,744 --> 00:57:24,444
We can't say that anymore. No, but he would listen to the Cubs games.

1369
00:57:24,884 --> 00:57:26,684
I was like, "Wow, they're playing always while we're playing."

1370
00:57:26,984 --> 00:57:27,014
Wow.

1371
00:57:27,014 --> 00:57:29,744
But he wouldn't listen to what we were playing. But I thought we were killing.

1372
00:57:29,764 --> 00:57:30,944
The crowd liked it. Christian-

1373
00:57:31,044 --> 00:57:31,824
Cubs must have been winning

1374
00:57:32,104 --> 00:57:32,244
... killed it. Yeah.

1375
00:57:33,744 --> 00:57:34,244
Hey, Peter.

1376
00:57:34,324 --> 00:57:34,424
Yeah.

1377
00:57:34,664 --> 00:57:37,404
Remember when we got that Herbie Hancock flexi disc in the mail?

1378
00:57:37,864 --> 00:57:39,424
I am still thinking about that.

1379
00:57:39,484 --> 00:57:41,404
That flexi disc. Oh, that was such a flex. Yeah.

1380
00:57:41,724 --> 00:57:45,584
It's from a 1974 copy of DownBeat magazine, where Herbie

1381
00:57:46,044 --> 00:57:47,444
plays a bit of "Actual Proof."

1382
00:57:47,484 --> 00:57:47,974
Herbie Hancock?

1383
00:57:48,224 --> 00:57:51,424
Yes. Before it was even "Actual Proof."

1384
00:57:51,484 --> 00:57:55,424
Well, we recorded the whole thing, and we're sharing it for free with all of our

1385
00:57:55,444 --> 00:57:57,774
newsletter subscribers. Sign up at You'll Hear It.

1386
00:57:57,774 --> 00:57:58,964
Oh, shh. Don't tell them where.

1387
00:57:59,004 --> 00:58:00,024
No, I got to tell them where.

1388
00:58:00,044 --> 00:58:01,144
It's a private newsletter.

1389
00:58:01,224 --> 00:58:04,154
Sign up at you'llhearit.com/newsletter to hear it for yourself.

1390
00:58:04,154 --> 00:58:07,744
That's you'llhearit.com/newsletter, and you're going to get a newsletter

1391
00:58:08,164 --> 00:58:09,104
from us every single week.

1392
00:58:09,224 --> 00:58:09,464
Awesome.

1393
00:58:10,384 --> 00:58:10,924
Categories, Peter.

1394
00:58:11,264 --> 00:58:13,004
Categories. All right, let's do this.

1395
00:58:13,604 --> 00:58:16,884
What is your apex moment/desert island track? What do you think?

1396
00:58:17,584 --> 00:58:19,644
Desert. I think it's a "Remark You Made."

1397
00:58:20,344 --> 00:58:20,644
Good call.

1398
00:58:20,784 --> 00:58:23,834
For the track, and for the moment, there was...

1399
00:58:23,904 --> 00:58:26,984
I made a note somewhere here. Oh, on "Harlequin," there's a...

1400
00:58:27,064 --> 00:58:30,774
Could we maybe play, would that be hard if you got to around 1:30, 1:40 on that?

1401
00:58:30,824 --> 00:58:31,794
Oh, it's going to be impossible to get to around 1:40.

1402
00:58:31,794 --> 00:58:35,264
There's all these little cool lines, but there's one in particular that Zawinul

1403
00:58:35,364 --> 00:58:35,824
plays.

1404
00:58:38,564 --> 00:58:41,324
Just a bunch of cool little easy piano stuff for him.

1405
00:58:42,384 --> 00:58:43,044
Little riffs.

1406
00:58:50,564 --> 00:58:51,144
Yeah. So him.

1407
00:58:51,174 --> 00:58:53,184
Oh, this one is perfect. But I'm going to show you one.

1408
00:58:57,864 --> 00:58:58,504
That's great.

1409
00:59:08,474 --> 00:59:08,824
This one.

1410
00:59:08,864 --> 00:59:09,424
Ooh.

1411
00:59:11,524 --> 00:59:13,054
Oh, it's the next one. Sorry.

1412
00:59:15,684 --> 00:59:17,754
That one, man. To me, that's just like-

1413
00:59:20,224 --> 00:59:20,384
Yeah

1414
00:59:20,524 --> 00:59:22,164
... It's such a cool bluesy-

1415
00:59:22,484 --> 00:59:22,624
Yeah

1416
00:59:22,904 --> 00:59:26,824
... just very overt, and then when he plays after it, it's kind of the peak of

1417
00:59:26,864 --> 00:59:30,064
these cool little countermelodies that he's playing in between his own synth sounds

1418
00:59:30,444 --> 00:59:31,144
and the bass stuff.

1419
00:59:31,444 --> 00:59:32,034
My-

1420
00:59:32,064 --> 00:59:32,384
But there's

1421
00:59:33,384 --> 00:59:35,004
a bunch of apex moments on this record, I think.

1422
00:59:35,024 --> 00:59:36,804
My desert island track is "Teen Town."

1423
00:59:36,833 --> 00:59:37,054
"Birdland."

1424
00:59:37,823 --> 00:59:41,624
Is "Teen Town." And my apex moment is Jaco's entrance on the bass

1425
00:59:41,764 --> 00:59:42,284
on "Teen Town."

1426
00:59:45,844 --> 00:59:47,324
Oh, yeah. It takes a while for him to come in.

1427
00:59:54,484 --> 00:59:56,004
I will never forget the first time I heard that.

1428
00:59:56,104 --> 00:59:57,584
I was like, "I didn't know you could do that."

1429
00:59:57,724 --> 00:59:57,824
I know.

1430
00:59:57,904 --> 00:59:59,773
I had no idea a bass player could do that.

1431
00:59:59,844 --> 01:00:01,273
I didn't know you were allowed to do that in music.

1432
01:00:01,404 --> 01:00:01,594
Right.

1433
01:00:01,864 --> 01:00:03,424
I didn't know. It was so

1434
01:00:04,264 --> 01:00:05,064
mind-blowing.

1435
01:00:05,124 --> 01:00:05,524
That's awesome.

1436
01:00:05,544 --> 01:00:09,524
And I still love that. Quibble bits, we already talked about my quibble is

1437
01:00:09,684 --> 01:00:10,864
with a little bit of the production.

1438
01:00:11,244 --> 01:00:13,924
I wish there was a little bit less of that reverb on it, except on "Teen Town,"

1439
01:00:13,964 --> 01:00:15,244
which I think it really works on.

1440
01:00:15,444 --> 01:00:15,684
Mm-hmm.

1441
01:00:15,924 --> 01:00:16,574
But I think most everything else-

1442
01:00:16,584 --> 01:00:18,394
Because the bass is dialed in, especially on that

1443
01:00:18,584 --> 01:00:19,764
... and it's also very sparse.

1444
01:00:20,124 --> 01:00:20,204
Yeah.

1445
01:00:20,284 --> 01:00:23,824
It's the drums, and it's the bass, and there's some textures from Wayne

1446
01:00:23,864 --> 01:00:24,544
and

1447
01:00:25,504 --> 01:00:27,404
Joe, but accoutrements, what do you got?

1448
01:00:27,524 --> 01:00:28,444
Well, I can't do my quibble bit?

1449
01:00:28,504 --> 01:00:29,504
Oh, sorry. What was your quibble bit?

1450
01:00:29,594 --> 01:00:30,023
"Birdland."

1451
01:00:30,624 --> 01:00:30,884
Of course.

1452
01:00:30,964 --> 01:00:31,144
Okay.

1453
01:00:31,724 --> 01:00:33,604
Accoutrements. I have a four. I'm not a fan.

1454
01:00:33,844 --> 01:00:36,644
You know what? I have this record at home, and I apologize.

1455
01:00:36,684 --> 01:00:37,784
I could not put my hands on it.

1456
01:00:37,844 --> 01:00:38,364
You wear your hat.

1457
01:00:41,224 --> 01:00:41,704
My hat. Exactly.

1458
01:00:43,164 --> 01:00:46,904
Yeah, I don't know if I'd go as low as four, but it's fine. Seven, six, it's fine.

1459
01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:49,704
Oh, wait, which is it, Peter?

1460
01:00:49,724 --> 01:00:53,324
Well, it's not four. Four is like, we've never gone as low as four, have we, for

1461
01:00:53,404 --> 01:00:53,854
accoutrements?

1462
01:00:54,084 --> 01:00:57,744
I've never. It's okay. It's a hat that's got a

1463
01:00:57,924 --> 01:00:59,294
thunderstorm coming out of it, and there's-

1464
01:00:59,344 --> 01:01:00,304
Oh, well, it is just like my hat.

1465
01:01:00,444 --> 01:01:01,304
It is just like your hat.

1466
01:01:01,314 --> 01:01:01,444
Oh, I forgot that.

1467
01:01:01,524 --> 01:01:03,344
Yeah, and it's over a city. I don't know.

1468
01:01:03,504 --> 01:01:04,414
Yeah. It's one of those ones.

1469
01:01:05,644 --> 01:01:07,064
Oh, yeah, we talked about it. This is

1470
01:01:08,024 --> 01:01:10,324
one of the top five selling jazz records of all time.

1471
01:01:10,364 --> 01:01:10,604
It is.

1472
01:01:10,744 --> 01:01:13,344
I believe it's "Kind of Blue" is first, actually.

1473
01:01:13,364 --> 01:01:13,374
Mm-hmm.

1474
01:01:13,374 --> 01:01:16,174
Now, this is not counting like Norah Jones and

1475
01:01:17,484 --> 01:01:17,944
Kenny G.

1476
01:01:18,304 --> 01:01:18,404
Sure.

1477
01:01:18,484 --> 01:01:19,214
Shout out both of them.

1478
01:01:19,544 --> 01:01:19,744
Sure.

1479
01:01:19,804 --> 01:01:22,204
But "Kind of Blue," let me see if I get this right.

1480
01:01:23,224 --> 01:01:24,204
What would number two be?

1481
01:01:25,652 --> 01:01:26,162
"Headhunters"?

1482
01:01:26,872 --> 01:01:29,252
I think so. Either two or three. So yeah.

1483
01:01:29,432 --> 01:01:32,832
So top five is "Headhunters," "Time Out," which I believe is number five.

1484
01:01:32,912 --> 01:01:33,191
Oh, interesting.

1485
01:01:33,212 --> 01:01:36,412
But this is number four. So there's one else that we're not thinking of.

1486
01:01:36,732 --> 01:01:40,572
As far as over a million, over a million.

1487
01:01:41,252 --> 01:01:43,132
You'd think there'd be more than that, but there's not a lot of that.

1488
01:01:43,352 --> 01:01:44,451
But yeah, "Headhunters" for sure.

1489
01:01:47,032 --> 01:01:49,952
Is this Weather Report's best album? That's our new category.

1490
01:01:50,652 --> 01:01:50,792
No.

1491
01:01:50,882 --> 01:01:50,912
No.

1492
01:01:50,912 --> 01:01:54,212
No. It's very good, though. But it's no. It's clearly not.

1493
01:01:54,352 --> 01:01:55,792
Yeah. I think "Mysterious Traveller" is probably.

1494
01:01:56,112 --> 01:01:56,932
That's my favorite album.

1495
01:01:57,292 --> 01:01:58,492
Which we should do again.

1496
01:01:59,062 --> 01:01:59,132
Yeah.

1497
01:01:59,132 --> 01:01:59,542
Snobometer.

1498
01:02:00,232 --> 01:02:02,192
Snobometer. This is two,

1499
01:02:03,232 --> 01:02:03,392
right?

1500
01:02:04,232 --> 01:02:05,772
No. This is five.

1501
01:02:06,072 --> 01:02:08,632
No way. Okay, the Snobometer is broken.

1502
01:02:09,412 --> 01:02:12,372
I know other people have said that, but it's, "Hello, Snobometer."

1503
01:02:12,412 --> 01:02:15,272
How is it a two? I know "Birdland" was a popular song.

1504
01:02:16,372 --> 01:02:16,712
What?

1505
01:02:18,232 --> 01:02:19,132
Okay, I hear what you're saying.

1506
01:02:20,952 --> 01:02:24,011
Because we've gotten... Here's the thing, Peter. The show has changed.

1507
01:02:24,292 --> 01:02:27,872
We're talking about- ... "Bad" and "Thriller" in the mix.

1508
01:02:28,072 --> 01:02:31,832
You know what I mean? This compared to "Thriller," this is an eight compared to

1509
01:02:31,842 --> 01:02:32,542
"Thriller."

1510
01:02:32,552 --> 01:02:34,732
But that's not what we're comparing it to.

1511
01:02:35,292 --> 01:02:37,752
Do I have to remind you about the Snobometer? Number one, Aunt Linda.

1512
01:02:37,812 --> 01:02:39,352
Number 10, Ethan Iverson.

1513
01:02:39,552 --> 01:02:39,692
Right.

1514
01:02:40,052 --> 01:02:43,611
At number five, Allen Iverson. Okay? So there you go.

1515
01:02:43,852 --> 01:02:46,812
Okay. I'll concede. What do you have up next?

1516
01:02:46,852 --> 01:02:50,222
I have Herbie Hancock's 1976 masterpiece, "Secrets."

1517
01:02:51,092 --> 01:02:52,322
That was a year before.

1518
01:02:52,512 --> 01:02:54,902
I know, but we kept talking about it, and I would love to hear it now.

1519
01:02:54,922 --> 01:02:56,472
Well, I like doing stuff from this year.

1520
01:02:56,532 --> 01:02:58,722
I'm going to go Herbie Hancock, "VSOP," the original one.

1521
01:02:58,732 --> 01:02:59,212
Okay, good one.

1522
01:02:59,612 --> 01:03:00,452
That's a great record.

1523
01:03:00,532 --> 01:03:00,682
Love it.

1524
01:03:00,682 --> 01:03:02,332
I love that record. Double album.

1525
01:03:03,172 --> 01:03:04,512
But Asia came out the same year, too.

1526
01:03:04,772 --> 01:03:05,032
Asia.

1527
01:03:05,072 --> 01:03:05,572
Ever heard of it?

1528
01:03:05,632 --> 01:03:08,612
Should we do an Asia show? We should do a re-Asia.

1529
01:03:08,722 --> 01:03:09,242
"Nightwalker."

1530
01:03:10,582 --> 01:03:11,112
"Nightfly"?

1531
01:03:11,302 --> 01:03:11,892
"Nightwalker."

1532
01:03:11,952 --> 01:03:14,022
We should do the "Nightfly"? You heard it here, folks.

1533
01:03:14,212 --> 01:03:14,392
Shh.

1534
01:03:14,472 --> 01:03:15,772
Peter wants to do the "Nightfly."

1535
01:03:15,852 --> 01:03:16,292
Don't say it.

1536
01:03:16,592 --> 01:03:17,391
Peter wants to do the "Nightfly."

1537
01:03:17,452 --> 01:03:20,572
This is awesome, man. Do we have any other housekeeping to do?

1538
01:03:20,612 --> 01:03:21,192
That's all we got.

1539
01:03:21,372 --> 01:03:22,332
Okay. Well, until next time.

1540
01:03:22,372 --> 01:03:22,992
You'll hear it.