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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun and

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody. Welcome to The Bible Guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for tuning in.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are. We are right here. We are.

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<v Speaker 1>We are on the stage of Heritage Church.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, oh man. It's going to be a good one today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to do our best.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. And you know what? I wasn't planning on doing

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<v Speaker 1>that until you said it.

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<v Speaker 2>But now, why not?

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<v Speaker 1>I was shooting for mediocrity.

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<v Speaker 2>Why not just give it the best we got? That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hey, we are in the middle of a series

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<v Speaker 1>called Dangerous Prayers. And today, actually this whole week, our

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<v Speaker 1>prayers of intercession, right? To intercede on someone else's behalf.

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<v Speaker 1>And before we get into that, we have a segment

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<v Speaker 1>that Desiree put together. And this segment is..

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<v Speaker 2>These ones are so important to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, what is this?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a dad joke competition. Oh, it's a dad joke competition.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I haven't looked through these yet, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>excited about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I messed up. I turned to the wrong scripture.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we in Joel?

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<v Speaker 2>We are in Joel.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I'm on the wrong, I'm on the whole

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<v Speaker 1>wrong thing. All wrong day? Yeah, I'm on the whole

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<v Speaker 1>wrong day. I'm on tomorrow's thing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be a rough episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I've turned to 2 Chronicles.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay. Oh, that's a good one too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so for those of you who are wondering, we're

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<v Speaker 1>in 2 Chronicles tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow. It's going to be really great.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be great. Okay, so dad joke competition.

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<v Speaker 1>So you want to start?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here we go. Ready? Here's my first one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're doing five. Five each. We're trying to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're going to vote. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I told my computer I needed a break. Now it

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<v Speaker 2>won't stop sending me Kit Kats.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? You hate that one?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. How could your computer send you Kit Kats?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Just Amazon?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I guess it could do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to explain that. I might have

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<v Speaker 1>liked it more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't like it. Okay, here we go. I

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<v Speaker 1>used to be a baker, but I couldn't make enough dough.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm just needing the job. Oh, no.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a rough one. We're over. I think we're over.

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<v Speaker 1>We are. We are.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, no. Here you go. Here's my number two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the best way to watch a fly fishing tournament?

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<v Speaker 1>Which way?

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<v Speaker 2>Livestream.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>You like that one?

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<v Speaker 1>It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Really?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Livestream. Livestream.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. It's great. I mean, did it make me laugh

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<v Speaker 1>out loud? No. Yeah. But it was clever.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Number two.

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering why the Frisbee keeps getting bigger, but

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<v Speaker 1>then it hit me.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that one. I like that one too. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>I like mine more than yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yours was, I'm going to say you're the winner

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<v Speaker 2>on two.

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering why the Frisbee kept getting bigger, but

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<v Speaker 1>then it hit me.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no winner for one. I think you're the

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<v Speaker 2>winner on two.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's one, nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm winning.

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<v Speaker 2>What's a skeleton's least favorite room in the house? The

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<v Speaker 2>living room.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I see what you did.

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<v Speaker 1>Not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I know where you're going with this. All right, here

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<v Speaker 1>we go. Uh, I'm afraid of the calendar. It's days

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<v Speaker 1>are numbered. Ooh. But why would he, oh, for the calendar.

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<v Speaker 2>For the calendar.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm afraid.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm afraid for the calendar.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Okay. So it was in your delivery.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in my delivery. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's still bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It was still bad. Okay. So it's still just one, nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I think so too. I don't really understand electricity,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm shocked by it. Yeah. It's rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too easy. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. It was too easy. All right, number four.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we like clever dad jokes.

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<v Speaker 1>We do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>What historical period did people have the tidiest shirts?

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<v Speaker 2>What historical period did people have the tidiest shirts?

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<v Speaker 1>T-I-D-I-E-S-T.

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<v Speaker 2>Tidiest. Uh-huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Tidiest.

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<v Speaker 2>Tidiest shirts. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>The Iron Age.

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<v Speaker 2>Iron Age. So they iron their shirts. This is rough. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness. That's what it means? So I just read ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>and this one's worse.

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<v Speaker 1>It can't be worse than the one I just read.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you call a fruit that magically shows up? Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>A pear.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, my word. Like a pear?

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<v Speaker 2>A pear. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>A pear?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That is such..

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<v Speaker 2>It's a rough one.

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<v Speaker 1>That is such a stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a rough one. Dude, we got one. I think

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<v Speaker 2>out of 10. What's your fifth one?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to crawl in a hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a rough one.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, here we go. Ready? I asked for 12 bees. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I like this one.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a good one. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay. We have a good one, ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. All right. Here we go. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go. I asked for 12 bees, but hang on. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked for 12 bees, but the beekeeper gave me 13.

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<v Speaker 1>He said it's a freebie. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's a good one. That's a good one. Freebie. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're the winner. I think I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we had one laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, this was great.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a great joke. It's a freebie.

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<v Speaker 2>See, it's the surprise. Good dad jokes need to always

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<v Speaker 2>have a surprise to them. Not just a groan.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot wait to tell Tori this joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so... Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think you're the winner today.

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<v Speaker 1>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to concede. Well, you know what?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have any control over this, Jeff. We just

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<v Speaker 1>get to vote. Desiree is the one who picks these.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes I wonder if she, excuse me, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why. Well, yes, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little lighter. It's dark outside.

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<v Speaker 1>But I sometimes wonder, I really do. I never ask her,

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<v Speaker 1>but I sometimes wonder if she chooses bad ones on

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<v Speaker 1>purpose to get our reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In order to get the one really great one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, so that we could laugh on one

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, we're appalled on the other one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Or does she just, like, say, hey, chat GPT, give

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<v Speaker 1>me some jokes, and then just tosses them in there?

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't care about her job or her salary or

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<v Speaker 1>you or me?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Well, so right now, we're supposed to be saying

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<v Speaker 2>nice things about her.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is not true.

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<v Speaker 2>We're supposed to be saying nice things about her.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>But she is in my office, Fantasy Football League, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going head-to-head this week. And right now, So our

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<v Speaker 2>office fantasy football league has two teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>The league you're in and the league I'm in. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not two teams. It's 16 teams. There's two leagues, right?

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<v Speaker 2>So there's the league you're in. There's the league I'm in.

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<v Speaker 2>And Des is in my league. And right now, she's

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<v Speaker 2>the only undefeated person on our entire Heritage Church staff.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Right?

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<v Speaker 2>She's beaten everybody up. And so I have to play

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<v Speaker 2>against her this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And so while by the time people hear this, I

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<v Speaker 2>will have already beaten her.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I was going to say you have already lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, very likely. The way it's been going.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The way it's been going. So I think you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to say nice things about her, but I just,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't today.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. All right. Yeah. Well, that is, that is something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay. So we are in, I'm not even going

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<v Speaker 2>to try to transition this. Oh, talking about saying nice

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<v Speaker 2>things for people.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So there's a call to repentance and then God

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<v Speaker 2>promises to restore in Joel chapter, 2 verse 12. And

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<v Speaker 2>for our short time listeners, if you just started listening,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris and I, we went through every highlight passage in

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<v Speaker 2>the entire Old Testament and we covered the book of Joel.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe a hundred episodes ago or more.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe go back and check that out if you're interested.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's what it says in Joel chapter 2 verse 12.

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<v Speaker 2>It says, that is why the Lord says, turn to

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<v Speaker 2>me now while there is time. Give me your heart's

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<v Speaker 2>Come with fasting and weeping and mourning. Don't tear your

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<v Speaker 2>clothing in your grief, but tear your hearts instead. Return

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<v Speaker 2>to the Lord your God, for he is merciful and compassionate,

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<v Speaker 1>There it is. Wow. What a prayer. Yeah. And some

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<v Speaker 2>to grow wheat and barley and those things. The government

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<v Speaker 1>But besides that, the rest is pretty relevant, right?

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<v Speaker 1>while there is still time. Give me your hearts. Come

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<v Speaker 1>with fasting, weeping, and mourning. Don't let your clothing... Don't

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<v Speaker 1>tear your clothes. Okay. Okay. So it's going on. By

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<v Speaker 2>It was a demonstrative, look how upset I am.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a demonstration. So if somebody was walking around

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<v Speaker 1>in mourning. So anyway, but turn to me while there

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<v Speaker 1>still is time and turn to me with weeping and

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<v Speaker 1>fasting and mourning. That is a request, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the whole first chapter is in the first

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<v Speaker 2>half of the second chapter is God saying, listen, people

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<v Speaker 2>of Judah, turn back to me. Remember, at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>the kingdom is divided. So there's the northern kingdom, Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>God way before Judah did. And they were just following

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<v Speaker 2>after idols and wickedness and all kinds of things. And

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<v Speaker 2>God brought judgment on them regularly. But Judah prospered. But

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<v Speaker 2>then over time, Judah began flirting with the same things

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually started going their own way, rebelling against God,

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<v Speaker 2>starting to worship idols and things. And God now through

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<v Speaker 2>Joel is warning them saying, listen, judgment is coming and

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be really, really horrible if you guys

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<v Speaker 2>don't come back to me. And so then Joel starts.

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<v Speaker 2>So in chapter two at the beginning, he says, sound

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<v Speaker 2>the trumpet in Jerusalem, raise the alarm on my holy mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>Let everyone tremble in fear because of the day of

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord is upon us. So Joel is like, listen, people,

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<v Speaker 2>judgment is not coming. Judgment is here. We have to

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<v Speaker 2>turn away from our sin and come back to God.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that's where we picked up in verse 12.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why the Lord says, come back to me. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be slow to judgment. I don't hate you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm willing to discipline you. Like a parent needs to

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<v Speaker 2>discipline a child in order to get their attention to

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<v Speaker 2>do the right thing instead of the wrong thing. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>I love you. What is the one verse he just

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<v Speaker 2>said a minute ago? For he is merciful and compassionate,

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<v Speaker 2>slow to get angry and filled with unfailing love. He

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>God's not delighting in the fact that punishment is coming.

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<v Speaker 2>He's really eager to relent and not punish. He's full

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<v Speaker 2>of mercy and unfailing love if the people would just

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<v Speaker 2>turn from their sin and turn to God. That same

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<v Speaker 2>principle is available to you and me today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. And I love how it's a call to repentance.

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<v Speaker 1>And what he's really saying is, is he's saying, who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps he will give you a reprieve, sending you a

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<v Speaker 1>blessing instead of a curse. And really what he's saying is,

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<v Speaker 1>is it's never too late. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It's never

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<v Speaker 1>too late. Right. So it doesn't matter where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter if you think like, hey, I've crossed

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<v Speaker 1>the line of no return. You know, there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>that God can forgive me. Judgment is coming. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people, what they do is they

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<v Speaker 1>make mistakes and then they find themselves in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of consequence and You know, and then all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden everything around them starts crumbling or relationships start to

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<v Speaker 1>get severed. And it's just like, it's almost like they've

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<v Speaker 1>held their position of non-repentance and people just somehow think that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're just going to hang on to their view.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what? I think that even in the

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<v Speaker 1>midst of, I mean, even if judgment were to come

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<v Speaker 1>is what I'm picturing. That's sort of where my mindset is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, even if judgment were to come and even if,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, There was some sort of a big judgment coming.

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<v Speaker 1>There's still a repentance factor that will allow God to

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<v Speaker 1>bless you even in the midst of the valleys, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Because doesn't God still bless in the midst of the valleys?

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't he still grant mercy even when there's earthly consequences

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<v Speaker 1>to our bad choices?

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<v Speaker 2>So the way that the prophets talked, no. So when

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<v Speaker 2>once judgment is unleashed, the only thing that turns it

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<v Speaker 2>back is full repentance. That's it, right? So there's no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm judging you and blessing you simultaneously. It's the gloves

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<v Speaker 2>are off and judgment is here now. And it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be really, really bad until you repent. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was having a conversation with a guy who's been going

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<v Speaker 2>through some really, really difficult things as a result of

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<v Speaker 2>his own bad choices. He lost so much in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>He lost his home. He lost his marriage. He lost

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<v Speaker 2>so many things. And he was so hateful and resentful

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<v Speaker 2>for a while towards others. He was demanding all this

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<v Speaker 2>justice and things as he felt. But he was the

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<v Speaker 2>one who pulled his life down around him. Other people participated, perhaps,

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<v Speaker 2>and made it worse. And then finally, as we were

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<v Speaker 2>going through this conversation, the Bible says God opposes the proud,

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<v Speaker 2>but he gives grace to the humble. And I asked him,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, so are you still wanting revenge on everybody else?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want your enemies to suffer? All these things.

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<v Speaker 2>He started crying. He said, no, not anymore. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what changed? He said, I have nothing. All I have

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<v Speaker 2>is my books. He started crying. He said, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>even want my enemies to live this life. And I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you're in exactly the right place now for God to

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<v Speaker 2>begin to bless you. Right? Because you have nowhere else

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<v Speaker 2>to turn. And that's usually what God does. Once judgment comes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's unrelenting. until we repent. And that's what he was

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<v Speaker 2>I've done this to myself and all I have is

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<v Speaker 2>God's mercy to help me out from that. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I see what you're saying. I understand what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that when you read the minor prophets like this,

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<v Speaker 2>judgment is unrelenting until repentance. And that repentance means that

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<v Speaker 2>I have to get to the point where I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>one who caused this. The consequences are I remember one

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<v Speaker 2>time my parents were spankers. They spanked me. Always under

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<v Speaker 2>control and discipline. So they weren't beaters. They didn't just

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<v Speaker 2>while he calmed down. So he'd never spank me when

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<v Speaker 2>he was angry. He'd come and say, listen, why? Why

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<v Speaker 2>I lied or I stole or I disobeyed. I did whatever, right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's the same thing with God. In Hebrews,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, if you don't get disciplined by God, chastened

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<v Speaker 2>is the word, then you're an illegitimate child. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>one of his own. So God does that. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not that God's being mean. It's that our own behavior

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<v Speaker 2>isn't going to turn without a certain amount of pain sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>And God knows when that moment is in our life.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he'll bring it to us. But the second

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<v Speaker 2>we repent, and this is why it says he's eager

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<v Speaker 2>to relent. And not punish. He's just waiting for the

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<v Speaker 2>first hint of repentance. God, I did this to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I deserve it. Would you forgive me? This is what

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<v Speaker 2>happened with that guy yesterday. The tax collector says, God

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<v Speaker 2>have mercy on me, a sinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had a very early ministry experience early on,

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<v Speaker 1>stayed there for another three years and then i was

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<v Speaker 1>moving from atlanta georgia to michigan well he had heard

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<v Speaker 1>it's high time that we met since this big falling

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<v Speaker 1>out and uh and i said okay that's fine because

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<v Speaker 1>and i said best buy parking lot that's where i

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<v Speaker 1>fine meeting. But in that meeting, I just said, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>was coming. The judgment was there, right? You had this

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<v Speaker 1>moral failure. You did all these different things. You did

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<v Speaker 1>The consequences could have still come, right? And maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>end result could have been the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if he had confessed and repented, the consequences would

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<v Speaker 2>have been far less.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm meaning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I was trying to mean here.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he's slow to get angry and he's filled with

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<v Speaker 2>unfailing love.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why I said like true repentance and then

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<v Speaker 1>God could still bless you in the midst of the valleys. Yeah. Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So it could still be a huge valley moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was seeing the valley as the punishment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're not in the punishment, you're coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of the valley. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what you were saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That's what I was saying. I was just saying, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying, like, things would have gone better.

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<v Speaker 2>A hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>A hundred percent better if you would have just said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I did those things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have to understand that, like, you know, so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ministry, but honestly, it's not just ministry. It's Christianity,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it? Right. Right. Like, you know, to be a

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<v Speaker 1>godly husband, to be a godly father, to be a

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<v Speaker 1>godly friend. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just.

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<v Speaker 1>To be a Christian, you never win, or excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>you never lose by admitting the bad things. I mean, ultimately, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be consequences for the bad things. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just not going to avoid it. But if you stay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hanging on with clenched fists— To the lie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just going to get worse and worse.

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<v Speaker 1>An unrepentant heart. Yes. It's like, what kind of person

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<v Speaker 1>is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right? And so when all the evidence points to the contrary.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just like, if you let go and you say, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I did those things, then all of a sudden now, oh, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>he did those things, but he's repented. Look, his character

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<v Speaker 1>is good. His heart is good. Right? He's going back

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<v Speaker 1>to God. Things are heading in the right direction. It's just,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a win every single time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the midst of the consequences, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you made bad choices.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's not going to be, Jesus said, the truth

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<v Speaker 2>will set you free.

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So there's not going to be any freedom from the

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<v Speaker 2>weight of the consequences of our sin until we finally

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<v Speaker 2>get honest with God, honest with ourselves and honest with others.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's, I think is great. Then you have

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<v Speaker 2>this intercession piece, right? So this week is an intercession thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, blow the ram's horn in Jerusalem, announce a

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<v Speaker 2>time of fasting, call all the people together for a

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<v Speaker 2>solemn meeting. Right. And gather the elders and the children

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<v Speaker 2>and the babies, right? Brides and bridegrooms, everybody. And then

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<v Speaker 2>let the priests who minister in the Lord's presence stand

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<v Speaker 2>and weep between the entry room to the temple and

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<v Speaker 2>the altar. And then let them pray, spare your people, Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't let your special possession become an object of mockery.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't let them become a joke for unbelievers and unbelieving

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<v Speaker 2>foreigners who say, has the God of Israel left them?

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<v Speaker 2>And so there's the personal repentance in those first five

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<v Speaker 2>verses or four verses. And then there's public repentance, where

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<v Speaker 2>as a group, we're praying for each other now. The

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<v Speaker 2>people are gathering together. We're praying for each other. The

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<v Speaker 2>priests are praying on behalf of the people. God, don't

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<v Speaker 2>let this ruin us. Set us free. And there is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of power. Sometimes there are people who are

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the judgment. They're in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the hard time, and they're having a hard time

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<v Speaker 2>even articulating what they need or what they know they

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<v Speaker 2>need to do for God. And we can go and

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible says that the fervent prayers of a righteous

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<v Speaker 2>person accomplishes much. And you and I can go pray

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<v Speaker 2>for our friend. We can go pray for our family

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<v Speaker 2>member who they don't even know how to pray for

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<v Speaker 2>themselves right now. They're such a mess. They don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know what to do. And then the Bible says, then

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord will pity his people and jealously guard the

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<v Speaker 2>honor of his land. And God can begin restoring because

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<v Speaker 2>of the prayers of people who love other people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So fast and pray is what he says here. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you guys come with this attitude, you can intercede

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<v Speaker 2>for each other even while you're confessing your own personal sin.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of power in that. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about that tomorrow. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of us collectively praying for our land and

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<v Speaker 2>praying for our people. And this is what's happening in

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<v Speaker 2>this point. And God says, then the Lord will pity

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<v Speaker 2>his people. It's after all the people come together and

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<v Speaker 2>begin praying for each other, not just for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great. Well, that's a great place to end.

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<v Speaker 1>And it looks like that's our time. So hopefully we

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<v Speaker 1>will see you tomorrow on The Bible Guys.