WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.350 --> 00:00:12.540 Travis Bader: I'm Travis Bader, and this is the Silvercore podcast. 00:00:13.380 --> 00:00:17.930 Silvercore has been providing its members with the skills and knowledge 00:00:17.950 --> 00:00:22.620 necessary to be confident and proficient in the outdoors for over 20 years. 00:00:22.710 --> 00:00:26.790 And we make it easier for people to deepen their connection to the natural world. 00:00:29.620 --> 00:00:33.010 Very often when a podcast ends, the conversation continues. 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:36.940 That was the case here, and we decided to press record on a candid 00:00:36.945 --> 00:00:40.000 conversation where Sean asked me questions he was curious about. 00:00:41.130 --> 00:00:44.940 If you'd like to hear that, make sure to download episode 108, which is 00:00:44.940 --> 00:00:47.100 the follow up to this conversation. 00:00:47.730 --> 00:00:51.900 If you enjoy the Silvercore Podcast and you'd like to see more, 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00:01:29.825 --> 00:01:32.389 Welcome to the Silverquart podcast. 00:01:34.110 --> 00:01:35.020 Sean Zubor: Thanks for having me, brother. 00:01:35.180 --> 00:01:35.570 I'm excited 00:01:35.570 --> 00:01:35.960 Travis Bader: to be here. 00:01:36.030 --> 00:01:37.040 I am excited. 00:01:37.100 --> 00:01:39.520 It was, uh, you know, a couple of technical difficulties right at 00:01:39.520 --> 00:01:42.689 the beginning, making sure we have a hard drive on scene is always a, 00:01:42.690 --> 00:01:44.249 a good thing if we want to record. 00:01:44.340 --> 00:01:44.960 Usually helps. 00:01:44.980 --> 00:01:45.890 Audio and video. 00:01:46.449 --> 00:01:50.375 So before we get things rolling too far, Like we're talking spit balling 00:01:50.375 --> 00:01:53.505 back and forth, all of these different things that we can chat about. 00:01:53.525 --> 00:01:58.645 And that's kind of the, the, uh, I find the Achilles heel of 00:01:58.664 --> 00:02:03.035 podcasting is the best conversation will happen before a podcast. 00:02:03.035 --> 00:02:06.024 And when you press stop, then the best conversation comes in because 00:02:06.024 --> 00:02:07.115 everyone's feeling comfortable. 00:02:07.135 --> 00:02:07.834 Yeah, totally. 00:02:07.924 --> 00:02:08.194 Right. 00:02:08.414 --> 00:02:11.524 And then the other one is if we talk too much ahead of time, before we get into 00:02:11.524 --> 00:02:15.595 a podcast and we feel like, well, we've already told this story, but there's 00:02:15.595 --> 00:02:17.005 one thing that we didn't bring up. 00:02:17.174 --> 00:02:17.344 Yeah. 00:02:17.664 --> 00:02:20.865 That you and I were talking about on the phone, which I totally off 00:02:20.865 --> 00:02:25.215 topic of really anything here, but you met somebody pretty cool down at 00:02:25.215 --> 00:02:27.435 Venice beach when you're working out. 00:02:27.754 --> 00:02:28.205 I want to hear 00:02:28.205 --> 00:02:28.815 Sean Zubor: that story. 00:02:29.325 --> 00:02:33.864 So long story short, the last couple of weeks I've been incredibly busy. 00:02:33.864 --> 00:02:36.495 So I've been everywhere from LA to New York. 00:02:36.495 --> 00:02:39.285 Sorry, before that it was in Kelowna, LA, New York, and then 00:02:39.295 --> 00:02:45.074 Oregon down getting at the bow rack at my, uh, new, um, bow there, but. 00:02:45.730 --> 00:02:50.540 When I was in LA, I'm like, I've always growing up as a kid, my parents 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:52.440 obviously have that funny accent. 00:02:53.060 --> 00:02:56.810 So, um, my dad's still to this day, you can barely understand a word he says. 00:02:57.130 --> 00:03:00.510 So I always admired, obviously Arnold Schwarzenegger. 00:03:01.530 --> 00:03:03.019 So I'm there. 00:03:03.245 --> 00:03:06.945 The only reason, well, I'm there for work, but the only reason I drive or Ubered 00:03:06.955 --> 00:03:11.025 about 30 minutes outside of where I was staying was just to work out every single 00:03:11.025 --> 00:03:13.435 morning at the Venice beach goals, right? 00:03:13.965 --> 00:03:15.405 The Mecca of bodybuilding. 00:03:15.405 --> 00:03:20.545 So, so there I am just working out, getting my pump on, looking around, 00:03:20.545 --> 00:03:24.015 just flashing back to every single Arnold movie I've ever seen, he's 00:03:24.035 --> 00:03:27.015 plastered all over the thing as long as well as all the other champions. 00:03:27.734 --> 00:03:29.015 And I'm just about to leave. 00:03:29.024 --> 00:03:31.774 So I'm literally grabbing a protein shake from the vending machine. 00:03:31.989 --> 00:03:36.549 I look back and I have never been, I've been lucky enough to meet some 00:03:36.549 --> 00:03:39.179 really cool people in the fighting world and all this other kind of stuff. 00:03:39.179 --> 00:03:39.450 Right. 00:03:40.049 --> 00:03:44.319 Um, I look back and like a little school girl that just saw Justin 00:03:44.320 --> 00:03:47.000 Bieber or something, I'm freezing. 00:03:47.350 --> 00:03:50.819 I can't even like get out my phone to take the picture. 00:03:50.850 --> 00:03:54.139 Cause there comes Arnold with three of his buddies, right? 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:58.620 One of them, I'm sure is his bodyguard on his bicycle, just driving it 00:03:58.620 --> 00:03:59.899 right up, walking right towards me. 00:04:00.165 --> 00:04:01.595 In the Mecca of bodybuilding. 00:04:01.674 --> 00:04:04.464 I'm like the reason that place is famous because of this guy. 00:04:04.744 --> 00:04:06.834 And I'm just like, in shock. 00:04:06.845 --> 00:04:10.774 Finally, I managed to snap some shots and what do I do instantly? 00:04:10.774 --> 00:04:11.454 I put everything away. 00:04:11.454 --> 00:04:12.424 I'm like, can I go back in? 00:04:12.445 --> 00:04:15.794 And I start working out with them, like beside him, like a stalker. 00:04:15.935 --> 00:04:18.894 And I can overhear their conversations and all these things. 00:04:19.175 --> 00:04:21.024 He was really nice enough to say hello. 00:04:21.195 --> 00:04:22.865 I couldn't take a picture with him and I don't blame him 00:04:22.875 --> 00:04:23.745 because at the end of the day. 00:04:24.315 --> 00:04:25.585 You'd never be able to get a workout in. 00:04:25.595 --> 00:04:28.845 I'm sure all the 500 people working out that day would be wanting to take 00:04:28.855 --> 00:04:33.145 a picture with them, but I can tell you it was one of the craziest experiences. 00:04:33.185 --> 00:04:35.745 I don't get starstruck very often, but it's 00:04:35.745 --> 00:04:36.284 Travis Bader: Arnold. 00:04:36.555 --> 00:04:37.354 It's Arnold. 00:04:37.375 --> 00:04:37.925 No kidding. 00:04:37.935 --> 00:04:39.124 That'd be a pretty cool experience. 00:04:39.124 --> 00:04:40.595 I watched his series there. 00:04:40.615 --> 00:04:40.795 Yeah. 00:04:40.805 --> 00:04:41.454 Did you watch out on that? 00:04:41.455 --> 00:04:41.895 I did. 00:04:41.914 --> 00:04:42.234 Yeah. 00:04:42.344 --> 00:04:42.704 Yeah. 00:04:42.765 --> 00:04:43.045 Yeah. 00:04:43.084 --> 00:04:43.924 Interesting fellow. 00:04:43.935 --> 00:04:44.774 A lot of drive. 00:04:45.245 --> 00:04:46.795 Really, really hard worker. 00:04:46.795 --> 00:04:50.385 You can tell that it's just been ingrained in him from his, uh, from an early 00:04:50.385 --> 00:04:51.945 age and from his family upbringing. 00:04:52.495 --> 00:04:57.305 Uh, glossed over some of the difficulties that he had, I felt, um. 00:04:57.435 --> 00:05:00.505 Sean Zubor: Yeah, for myself, like honestly, today. 00:05:01.300 --> 00:05:05.830 We have a lot of differing opinions in the world and politics and so on and so forth. 00:05:06.409 --> 00:05:09.530 But I I'm the kind of guy that you can never take away from what you've 00:05:09.530 --> 00:05:16.140 accomplished and done and his rise to fame, what he's accomplished, like, and 00:05:16.489 --> 00:05:20.210 that was the biggest, like the biggest takeaway, like I said, I've been lucky 00:05:20.210 --> 00:05:23.789 enough, like I've sat with Dana White like this and he's a billionaire and 00:05:23.789 --> 00:05:25.689 an amazing guy, multiple George St. 00:05:25.689 --> 00:05:28.390 Pierre and all these other kinds of guys when it came to the fighting world. 00:05:29.125 --> 00:05:33.005 And I never really had this like, Oh my God, kind of moment type thing. 00:05:33.005 --> 00:05:33.265 Right. 00:05:33.755 --> 00:05:38.294 But when sitting beside Arnold, listening to him, talk to his son, 00:05:38.865 --> 00:05:41.244 uh, listening, talk to a couple other people and just like, wow, 00:05:41.245 --> 00:05:43.285 this guy really is flesh and blood. 00:05:43.565 --> 00:05:47.285 And that was the biggest takeaway of that entire meeting, right? 00:05:47.285 --> 00:05:47.874 Was. 00:05:48.105 --> 00:05:50.655 He'll never remember it, obviously, cause I'm just one out of the 00:05:50.655 --> 00:05:52.025 billion people he's ever met, but. 00:05:52.195 --> 00:05:53.005 What if he does? 00:05:53.105 --> 00:05:54.845 Oh, that would be insane, but I doubt it. 00:05:55.285 --> 00:05:57.525 Well, maybe he would, maybe he like did a police report. 00:05:57.525 --> 00:05:58.955 Cause I was like the stalker beside him. 00:05:58.955 --> 00:05:59.595 That's possible. 00:06:00.094 --> 00:06:03.945 But, uh, I just, I just remember thinking the whole time I'm like, 00:06:03.945 --> 00:06:05.445 wow, I'm like, he's lifting weights. 00:06:05.445 --> 00:06:06.864 Like I am, he's right there. 00:06:06.865 --> 00:06:08.295 Like, it's just. 00:06:08.580 --> 00:06:13.280 It puts into reality that even though he is bigger than life in many cases, right. 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:14.910 That it is truly possible. 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:19.109 Like he is, has exact same blood, the exact same fat, the exact same 00:06:19.119 --> 00:06:20.739 muscle, muscle tissue that we do. 00:06:21.300 --> 00:06:24.780 It's just what he's done with it is significantly more than the 00:06:24.780 --> 00:06:25.310 Travis Bader: average. 00:06:25.629 --> 00:06:26.349 And I like that. 00:06:26.379 --> 00:06:30.680 And you know, when I say the difficulties they talked about, uh, but didn't 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:32.729 delve that deep into, there is. 00:06:33.100 --> 00:06:36.920 A tendency in individuals, humans are negatively biased. 00:06:36.930 --> 00:06:38.570 We'll drive by a car accident. 00:06:38.580 --> 00:06:40.180 We're rubbernecking to see what happened. 00:06:40.180 --> 00:06:42.850 I, I think that's just an instinctual thing. 00:06:42.850 --> 00:06:47.150 So we can look and say, um, maybe I shouldn't speed. 00:06:47.170 --> 00:06:48.250 Maybe I shouldn't do this. 00:06:48.280 --> 00:06:52.029 Maybe I can learn from their mistake and maybe some people look at it and 00:06:52.030 --> 00:06:54.000 it's, uh, it's a leveling process. 00:06:54.030 --> 00:06:56.120 Well, I guess I'm better than them right now. 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:56.380 Right. 00:06:56.965 --> 00:07:01.575 But there is also a piece to that puzzle of the difficulties and challenges 00:07:01.575 --> 00:07:04.945 that people have and is how they work through it, because we all are flesh 00:07:04.945 --> 00:07:11.405 and blood and those who will strive for greater things will tend to have 00:07:11.405 --> 00:07:15.914 more eyes on them and they'll tend to fall harder than those who don't. 00:07:16.664 --> 00:07:19.835 And you had a really cool quote on your Instagram. 00:07:20.535 --> 00:07:21.245 I've heard it before. 00:07:21.245 --> 00:07:23.995 It's by a man who has a, uh, an elk named after him. 00:07:25.705 --> 00:07:28.495 Sean Zubor: Who I just literally visited his house in New York, which 00:07:28.495 --> 00:07:31.925 is where he was born, which was really, really interesting to see. 00:07:32.205 --> 00:07:32.415 So 00:07:32.415 --> 00:07:35.905 Travis Bader: I'm going to read this one because this is what really intrigued 00:07:35.905 --> 00:07:39.435 me about our conversation that we had. 00:07:39.764 --> 00:07:40.964 We can talk about hunting. 00:07:40.965 --> 00:07:42.155 We can talk about a number of things. 00:07:42.155 --> 00:07:46.785 You're good friends with, uh, past podcast guests at Blavois who says. 00:07:47.150 --> 00:07:50.830 Sean is a hell of a leader and talking about leadership in your 00:07:50.830 --> 00:07:53.880 role and your work and what you do as well as in the outdoors 00:07:53.909 --> 00:07:56.049 world, in the hunting and angling. 00:07:56.049 --> 00:08:00.989 And there, there's a, a need for people to understand the. 00:08:01.390 --> 00:08:04.970 Amount of agency that each individual has and the effect that each 00:08:04.970 --> 00:08:08.050 individual can have on their personal surroundings and those around them. 00:08:08.500 --> 00:08:12.150 And this poem, it's not a poem. 00:08:12.150 --> 00:08:13.990 It's just, well, does it rhyme? 00:08:13.990 --> 00:08:14.430 Is it a poem? 00:08:14.430 --> 00:08:15.110 What would you call it? 00:08:15.110 --> 00:08:15.360 It's a. 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:16.430 It was a speech actually. 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:16.989 A speech. 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:17.260 Yep. 00:08:17.739 --> 00:08:22.850 So, uh, Theodore Roosevelt, of course, president 1901 to 1909 00:08:23.690 --> 00:08:25.090 has this one man in the arena. 00:08:25.835 --> 00:08:29.335 It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong 00:08:29.345 --> 00:08:32.924 man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. 00:08:33.365 --> 00:08:37.044 The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose 00:08:37.044 --> 00:08:41.444 face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly. 00:08:41.624 --> 00:08:46.344 Who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort 00:08:46.374 --> 00:08:51.495 without error and shortcoming, but who does actually strive to do the deeds. 00:08:51.685 --> 00:08:55.694 Who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself 00:08:55.714 --> 00:08:58.684 in a worthy cause, who at the best. 00:08:58.994 --> 00:09:03.285 Knows in the end, the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if 00:09:03.285 --> 00:09:08.725 he fails, at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never 00:09:08.735 --> 00:09:13.105 be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. 00:09:13.965 --> 00:09:15.055 I like that one. 00:09:15.135 --> 00:09:20.454 And that is sort of what I felt is the crux of what you're going through at the 00:09:20.454 --> 00:09:22.365 moment and kind of what your journey is 00:09:22.365 --> 00:09:22.885 Sean Zubor: taking you. 00:09:23.175 --> 00:09:23.495 Yeah. 00:09:23.525 --> 00:09:26.995 I mean that, first of all, I wish I had your voice cause that sounded amazing. 00:09:28.834 --> 00:09:33.865 Second of all, um, yeah, that's basically been more or less that 00:09:33.874 --> 00:09:37.095 type of mentality has been something that has really stuck with me. 00:09:37.505 --> 00:09:42.450 Um, So Theodore Roosevelt, along with many others, and I've kind of found 00:09:42.450 --> 00:09:46.950 myself along this has really got into like stoicism and it's, and it's 00:09:46.999 --> 00:09:50.950 understanding our place in this world, understanding where, and it's not a 00:09:50.950 --> 00:09:54.510 religion, it's just understanding that today is just today and we cannot take 00:09:54.510 --> 00:09:57.409 ourselves too seriously, but we can also not take ourselves too lightly. 00:09:57.610 --> 00:09:57.940 Right. 00:09:58.540 --> 00:10:04.820 And unfortunately, a lot of us get stuck in this thought process of we are 00:10:04.820 --> 00:10:09.430 who we are today based on our past or where we are going to be in the future. 00:10:09.860 --> 00:10:12.699 The reality is, is some of that is true. 00:10:12.770 --> 00:10:15.589 Of course, you know, the way you look, the way you act and what you do. 00:10:15.665 --> 00:10:18.205 It does reflect a lot of what you have done in the past. 00:10:18.215 --> 00:10:21.055 However, um, the past is done. 00:10:21.245 --> 00:10:22.545 It is no longer here. 00:10:22.555 --> 00:10:23.845 It's a complete illusion. 00:10:24.024 --> 00:10:26.124 Tomorrow I could get hit by the bus. 00:10:26.415 --> 00:10:27.844 We could hit, hit by an asteroid. 00:10:28.035 --> 00:10:31.474 So if I'm looking for happiness, if I'm looking for something that's going to 00:10:32.154 --> 00:10:36.895 fulfill me based on an accomplishment in the future that may never come right. 00:10:37.335 --> 00:10:37.845 So. 00:10:38.805 --> 00:10:43.065 And I feel like, and I, what, what he talks about really in this poem 00:10:43.245 --> 00:10:49.464 or in this speech actually, is he's talking about the fact that we allow 00:10:49.465 --> 00:10:51.645 ourselves to criticize ourselves. 00:10:51.695 --> 00:10:53.785 We allow ourselves to criticize others. 00:10:53.795 --> 00:10:57.774 We, we get whatever we do get affected by others, the 00:10:57.775 --> 00:10:59.805 thoughts and opinions about us. 00:10:59.905 --> 00:11:00.314 Right. 00:11:00.594 --> 00:11:04.055 Instead of taking all that in ourselves and just creating action. 00:11:04.355 --> 00:11:04.645 Right. 00:11:05.045 --> 00:11:08.975 And jujitsu, for example, which seven I've trained together for, we're not together, 00:11:08.975 --> 00:11:10.525 but that's how we actually met each other. 00:11:11.015 --> 00:11:14.355 Um, they have a saying that they say all the time. 00:11:14.475 --> 00:11:17.834 It's like you either win or you learn and that's about it. 00:11:17.855 --> 00:11:19.195 There is no losing, right? 00:11:19.415 --> 00:11:21.355 Your loss just teaches you something to do better. 00:11:21.714 --> 00:11:25.685 And unfortunately this day and age, and this is really when it comes to this 00:11:25.685 --> 00:11:31.095 leadership aspect, this day and age, we are looking for instant gratification. 00:11:31.555 --> 00:11:32.305 All of the time. 00:11:32.604 --> 00:11:32.905 Right. 00:11:32.905 --> 00:11:36.834 And it comes to everything even in like the hunting and, and whatever you may be 00:11:36.834 --> 00:11:42.724 looking at, you want to compare yourself and, and it's difficult for like my 00:11:42.724 --> 00:11:46.864 boys my age or that I have, for example, they're eight and four years old, hunter 00:11:46.864 --> 00:11:50.875 and Jack and Hunter looks at YouTube and he's telling me like he wants to watch his 00:11:50.880 --> 00:11:54.415 macros and he wants to whatever, and he wants to be a YouTuber and he wants to get 00:11:54.415 --> 00:11:55.915 this and jacked and so on and so forth. 00:11:55.915 --> 00:11:58.584 So obviously, do I promote healthy lifestyle? 00:11:58.614 --> 00:11:59.935 Of course, but it is. 00:12:00.165 --> 00:12:02.695 We are constantly looking for affirmations. 00:12:02.705 --> 00:12:05.865 We're constantly looking for positive reinforcement, and we're 00:12:05.885 --> 00:12:10.675 comparing ourselves to what most of the time is not even reality. 00:12:10.835 --> 00:12:11.145 Right. 00:12:11.175 --> 00:12:14.255 Majority of the things we see on Instagram, all these 00:12:14.255 --> 00:12:15.174 other types of things. 00:12:15.780 --> 00:12:19.629 A, they're filtered their hair, you know, or it is their peak of that 00:12:19.629 --> 00:12:23.459 person's personal conditioning ever, or, you know, they're flashing. 00:12:23.459 --> 00:12:26.209 And this is one thing I talk about all the time, people that have done 00:12:26.209 --> 00:12:29.159 well financially, they're flashing all their watches and their cars. 00:12:29.160 --> 00:12:33.009 And 90% of the people that I know that do that don't have a pot to piss in. 00:12:33.340 --> 00:12:33.940 You know what I mean? 00:12:33.940 --> 00:12:35.530 Like they're leasing all of it. 00:12:35.570 --> 00:12:38.220 Whereas a guy that I know is legitimately a billionaire, you 00:12:38.220 --> 00:12:41.500 would never know from the, you know, meeting him, he's driving a, uh, 00:12:41.510 --> 00:12:43.600 1990 something, you know what I mean? 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:49.039 So yeah, this is, this is kind of that poem's just really where that speech is 00:12:49.040 --> 00:12:54.260 really something that's resonated with me and that type of mindset of action first. 00:12:55.255 --> 00:12:59.295 Um, obviously it's thoughtful action, but action first, don't let other people judge 00:12:59.315 --> 00:13:04.305 or, or really guide you unless you are looking for that specific guide, right? 00:13:04.305 --> 00:13:06.934 It's unless that's somebody that's a mentor, maybe a mentor. 00:13:07.345 --> 00:13:10.385 Um, I don't give a shit generally what people think about me. 00:13:10.920 --> 00:13:11.150 Right. 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.920 And it's not something that it's like, I only care what I think about myself. 00:13:13.920 --> 00:13:14.740 That's not the case. 00:13:15.060 --> 00:13:17.430 And do I have to listen if I'm doing something wrong? 00:13:17.580 --> 00:13:20.780 I care about what the people that are close to me think about me, right? 00:13:20.980 --> 00:13:23.890 Because obviously that's a reflection on how I'm treating them and how I'm 00:13:23.890 --> 00:13:27.429 at, uh, what I'm offering them and what I'm giving back to the world. 00:13:27.810 --> 00:13:32.260 But in general, if I was continuously looking at what other people's 00:13:32.260 --> 00:13:34.920 thoughts of were me or about me, sorry. 00:13:35.405 --> 00:13:36.575 I would be all over the map. 00:13:36.775 --> 00:13:37.275 You know what I mean? 00:13:37.295 --> 00:13:37.935 Travis Bader: Some people want me to. 00:13:37.935 --> 00:13:39.205 Yeah, you'd be paralyzed with indecision. 00:13:39.355 --> 00:13:39.985 Exactly. 00:13:40.185 --> 00:13:40.745 Exactly. 00:13:41.205 --> 00:13:46.614 There's, um, flew into Smithers and you can always tell the anglers, they got 00:13:46.615 --> 00:13:50.645 their, their rods and now they make, uh, ones that can pack down pretty small. 00:13:50.645 --> 00:13:52.374 So it's getting a little bit tougher, but, uh. 00:13:52.999 --> 00:13:57.979 Uh, older gentleman there and he had some, uh, old Patagonia luggage 00:13:58.079 --> 00:14:00.619 and Patagonia gear he is wearing. 00:14:00.619 --> 00:14:02.779 And yeah, definitely looks like an angler. 00:14:02.829 --> 00:14:07.839 Anyways, I was meeting with a, um, buddy of mine and he owns a, uh, 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:10.489 uh, Esquina Spey Lodge up there. 00:14:10.489 --> 00:14:14.709 And we're, uh, over dinner, we're talking about some stuff. 00:14:14.709 --> 00:14:17.859 He says, Oh yeah, you know, the owner of Patagonia is actually up here right now. 00:14:17.859 --> 00:14:18.359 He just flew in. 00:14:18.359 --> 00:14:19.089 I'm like, Oh, what's his name? 00:14:19.239 --> 00:14:19.869 And he gives his name. 00:14:19.869 --> 00:14:23.524 And I, I should know his name, but I forget like, can I see a picture of him? 00:14:23.845 --> 00:14:25.385 I saw him on the plane, he was on the airplane. 00:14:25.385 --> 00:14:26.525 And you would never know it. 00:14:26.535 --> 00:14:31.194 This guy owns multi million, billion dollar company, clothing 00:14:31.194 --> 00:14:36.415 company, and he's wearing like gear that hasn't been made in years. 00:14:37.085 --> 00:14:39.914 And because there's a different motivator there, there's something 00:14:39.915 --> 00:14:46.124 that motivates an individual who is, um, just trying to impress others to 00:14:46.185 --> 00:14:49.115 the one who has something a little bit deeper that's driving them. 00:14:50.700 --> 00:14:54.210 And I've seen, I've seen people who are highly successful in life. 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.500 And there's, there seems to be a common trend. 00:14:57.110 --> 00:15:01.749 There's one where people come from backgrounds of, um, affluence and 00:15:01.750 --> 00:15:08.150 influence and they're kind of born into it, but the ones who really 00:15:08.150 --> 00:15:09.189 kind of go are the ones who. 00:15:09.780 --> 00:15:11.400 Weren't born into it. 00:15:11.500 --> 00:15:14.900 And I don't know you very well, but I get the sense that you've had to fight 00:15:14.900 --> 00:15:15.390 Sean Zubor: for it. 00:15:15.400 --> 00:15:15.860 Yeah. 00:15:15.860 --> 00:15:17.080 So definitely. 00:15:17.599 --> 00:15:21.660 So I've always been ambitious as a kid, but my mom's an esthetician. 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:22.659 She's just retiring. 00:15:22.660 --> 00:15:24.400 My dad was a long haul truck driver. 00:15:24.740 --> 00:15:27.840 Um, both of them fled communist Hungary in the seventies. 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:29.410 Um, I was born in Edmonton. 00:15:29.500 --> 00:15:34.634 My dad worked on, at NOSCO, um, driving truck on the, on the oil line. 00:15:34.694 --> 00:15:35.785 On the oil rigs. 00:15:35.865 --> 00:15:41.485 So no, I've never, I wouldn't say I was in poverty or anything like that. 00:15:41.525 --> 00:15:44.985 They were always hard workers and they're really the people that have instilled 00:15:45.264 --> 00:15:47.365 that hard work ethic, uh, into me. 00:15:47.365 --> 00:15:53.094 But, um, I've, I've always had this vision of becoming something greater. 00:15:53.384 --> 00:15:53.784 Right. 00:15:55.004 --> 00:15:57.435 It may sound messiahic or something. 00:15:57.435 --> 00:15:57.704 I don't know. 00:15:57.704 --> 00:16:02.604 It's just always been inside of me to be very honest now for. 00:16:02.965 --> 00:16:06.685 For myself, it's never been necessarily just because I want money. 00:16:06.685 --> 00:16:09.045 It's not, we're briefly talking about this earlier. 00:16:09.045 --> 00:16:11.485 I have lots of people that, a lot of my friends, coworkers 00:16:11.485 --> 00:16:12.935 drive Lamborghinis and Ferraris. 00:16:12.935 --> 00:16:13.985 It's not really my thing. 00:16:13.995 --> 00:16:18.524 I'd rather go take off for three months in the mountains and go find me a sheep. 00:16:18.525 --> 00:16:18.775 Right. 00:16:18.815 --> 00:16:20.825 But, um, for myself. 00:16:20.825 --> 00:16:21.595 It's about the same price. 00:16:23.175 --> 00:16:24.395 These days, yeah, tell me. 00:16:24.975 --> 00:16:25.195 Yeah. 00:16:25.195 --> 00:16:27.285 I, I, I'm still too cheap to go on a guided hunt. 00:16:27.335 --> 00:16:30.724 I'm going to have to do that one day, but, um, it's. 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:35.620 For me, it's, it's about what I can do with that money. 00:16:35.620 --> 00:16:37.220 It's about the constant accomplishment. 00:16:37.230 --> 00:16:38.360 It's about the growth. 00:16:38.560 --> 00:16:40.490 It's about watching the more that I grow. 00:16:40.500 --> 00:16:46.640 Like, for example, when we started the company in 2017, we had 12 agents, right? 00:16:46.640 --> 00:16:49.730 So it was myself, my business partner and our teams. 00:16:49.920 --> 00:16:54.009 And so, and we had one admin now we have, you know, we're pushing 00:16:54.009 --> 00:16:59.149 500 agents, give or take doing billions of dollars in transaction. 00:16:59.670 --> 00:17:01.710 20 odd full time employees. 00:17:02.130 --> 00:17:02.550 So... 00:17:03.280 --> 00:17:06.950 The scope of what I am responsible for has grown as well. 00:17:07.230 --> 00:17:09.089 So you grow with that, right? 00:17:09.349 --> 00:17:12.810 And so where I'm envisioning and where I want to go next is more 00:17:12.810 --> 00:17:14.399 growth to be able to help more people. 00:17:14.399 --> 00:17:17.720 And I saw, I know that sounds kind of weird, but it's beyond this money. 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:19.409 It's creating maybe it's legacy. 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:23.000 Maybe I'm not sure what it is, but it's this passion that 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:24.220 has nothing to do with money. 00:17:24.430 --> 00:17:27.970 And I know that sounds funny because I have money and I don't mean to sound 00:17:27.970 --> 00:17:33.600 like an egotistical maniac, but I'm not poor, but I feel like as humans, 00:17:33.930 --> 00:17:38.299 what we, once our basic necessities are covered, you know what I mean? 00:17:38.340 --> 00:17:41.040 The lifestyle that we want to live, live hits, it hits a point. 00:17:41.339 --> 00:17:45.230 Either we stagnate or we find another reason to grow, right? 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:49.600 And for me, that growth, the other reason to grow has been 00:17:49.600 --> 00:17:52.869 to help society change society. 00:17:53.455 --> 00:17:57.485 Or just have another positive, uh, outlook, another positive voice out 00:17:57.485 --> 00:18:02.105 there, um, for change and what I feel like we're heading down a little 00:18:02.105 --> 00:18:03.755 bit of a disastrous route right now. 00:18:03.764 --> 00:18:06.024 Travis Bader: You know, Rockefeller was once asked. 00:18:06.560 --> 00:18:07.790 You got so much money. 00:18:08.350 --> 00:18:10.030 How much do you really need? 00:18:10.429 --> 00:18:11.520 Asked this by a reporter. 00:18:11.520 --> 00:18:15.159 And he says, just 1 more, always just 1 more. 00:18:15.689 --> 00:18:21.399 And was he covetous of the money, um, perhaps, or was it the process 00:18:21.399 --> 00:18:22.830 of building that intrigued? 00:18:23.574 --> 00:18:25.344 Him to want to continue doing this. 00:18:25.354 --> 00:18:29.564 Cause I can see that creation process, but if you're always looking for the dollar, 00:18:29.574 --> 00:18:33.925 like I'm going to be happy when I have X amount of money, studies have shown there 00:18:33.935 --> 00:18:36.245 is, there is a bit of a point, right? 00:18:36.245 --> 00:18:38.014 Where money will bring happiness, right? 00:18:38.195 --> 00:18:41.054 If you're not eating, if you don't have shelter, if you don't have 00:18:41.064 --> 00:18:42.464 your basic necessities, Matt. 00:18:43.595 --> 00:18:46.975 You probably not going to be quite as happy as if you've got a full belly and 00:18:46.975 --> 00:18:50.675 a roof over your head and you're warm and you're, and you've got these necessities, 00:18:51.095 --> 00:18:56.715 but beyond that, studies have shown that money is a de motivator for human 00:18:56.715 --> 00:19:03.645 performance, unless the task is you build one widget, you get 1, one token, whatever 00:19:03.895 --> 00:19:08.915 you build two, you get two money has a direct effect on Motivator for that. 00:19:09.665 --> 00:19:13.514 Anything that requires a level of creativity or some sort of personal 00:19:13.835 --> 00:19:16.645 satisfaction or gratification that's involved with it. 00:19:16.975 --> 00:19:20.365 Money has the adverse effect on the individual that the more money you want 00:19:20.365 --> 00:19:24.064 to throw at that person in order to create more, be a better artist, right. 00:19:24.615 --> 00:19:27.105 It actually has the opposite effect. 00:19:27.405 --> 00:19:27.665 Sean Zubor: Yeah. 00:19:27.665 --> 00:19:32.254 And I can totally see that for myself, as I mentioned before, it's, and 00:19:32.254 --> 00:19:37.665 it's kind of comes back to that whole Stoicism, uh, concept is, you know, 00:19:37.665 --> 00:19:41.224 if you look at Marcus Aurelius, who's one of the great Stoics, this guy was 00:19:41.235 --> 00:19:44.075 an emperor and emperor of Rome, like. 00:19:44.280 --> 00:19:50.389 It's very hard for us in today's time to fathom the power of an emperor of Rome. 00:19:50.610 --> 00:19:53.959 Like he will look at your wife and be like, that's my wife now. 00:19:53.999 --> 00:19:54.889 And that's his wife. 00:19:54.899 --> 00:19:57.739 You know, he would go off with his head and off with his head. 00:19:57.749 --> 00:20:00.580 Like it's a different level of power yet. 00:20:00.580 --> 00:20:03.759 He literally had to tell himself daily that I'm just a man. 00:20:04.185 --> 00:20:04.455 Right. 00:20:04.485 --> 00:20:05.835 That I will die. 00:20:06.015 --> 00:20:06.315 Right. 00:20:06.315 --> 00:20:07.595 That I have mortality. 00:20:07.895 --> 00:20:11.675 That what's the point of being a man if I'm not doing something useful in life. 00:20:11.685 --> 00:20:12.025 Right. 00:20:12.555 --> 00:20:15.445 And so one of the, and I'm paraphrasing because it's saying it completely 00:20:15.445 --> 00:20:18.514 different, but one of the things that stands out that I love about what he would 00:20:18.514 --> 00:20:25.225 say is as human beings, we are the only species on the planet that can wake up and 00:20:25.225 --> 00:20:27.315 decide to keep the duvets over her head. 00:20:27.605 --> 00:20:31.095 And go back to sleep when a B wakes up, what does the B do? 00:20:31.135 --> 00:20:32.275 The B does B shit. 00:20:32.325 --> 00:20:34.875 When a grizzly bear wakes up, what does a grizzly bear do? 00:20:35.944 --> 00:20:36.114 Does. 00:20:36.155 --> 00:20:39.684 Grizzly bear is being a grizzly bear and every other life form. 00:20:39.765 --> 00:20:41.275 They're not thinking about tomorrow. 00:20:41.354 --> 00:20:42.425 They're not thinking about yesterday. 00:20:42.425 --> 00:20:46.645 They don't even have the concept of time, which is a blessing and a negative to us. 00:20:47.140 --> 00:20:47.170 Right. 00:20:47.620 --> 00:20:49.030 But we are the only ones. 00:20:49.060 --> 00:20:52.530 And so what ends up happening and why one of these reasons that I've seen so 00:20:52.530 --> 00:20:56.200 many people that are depressed, that are, it, it is not even depression. 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:57.110 It is boredom. 00:20:57.210 --> 00:21:00.619 We are not finding ourselves useful to society. 00:21:00.870 --> 00:21:02.610 We are not giving anything. 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:04.730 So we do not feel accomplished. 00:21:05.040 --> 00:21:06.149 And instead. 00:21:06.235 --> 00:21:10.754 Our society is turned into a world where we expect the government to give 00:21:10.784 --> 00:21:13.514 to us, we expect others to give to us. 00:21:13.574 --> 00:21:18.205 We are wanting to feel that we are taken care of instead of having 00:21:18.205 --> 00:21:19.554 this personal responsibility. 00:21:19.915 --> 00:21:23.475 And if you generally want to feel amazing about yourself, 00:21:23.684 --> 00:21:25.804 go do some hard shit, provide. 00:21:26.150 --> 00:21:30.080 Give and you are going to feel like the person you're supposed to be, right? 00:21:30.090 --> 00:21:33.700 And I think this is probably one of the biggest issues we've had in the 00:21:34.080 --> 00:21:40.170 previous decades is this cultural shift of Take instead of give and no matter 00:21:40.170 --> 00:21:45.349 what you know, I don't know the exact Percentage but it's incredibly high 00:21:45.349 --> 00:21:49.790 It's something like 70 or 80 percent of the people that win the lottery end 00:21:49.800 --> 00:21:52.390 up going bankrupt within five years 00:21:53.409 --> 00:21:53.610 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:21:53.669 --> 00:21:58.889 And, and, and more than just bankrupt, like serious, uh, depressive issues, 00:21:58.919 --> 00:22:04.179 uh, uh, substance abuse, um, just don't know how to handle this. 00:22:04.179 --> 00:22:06.850 And this one thing that they thought would bring them happiness. 00:22:06.900 --> 00:22:07.120 Yeah. 00:22:08.219 --> 00:22:12.000 Sean Zubor: And, and it's funny, it's so bad that the fact that the British 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:16.530 Columbian government, once you win the lottery, they automatically send you 00:22:16.530 --> 00:22:19.860 towards people with financial services and all these other things, because people 00:22:19.860 --> 00:22:23.600 are so inclined to blow it all and go. 00:22:23.639 --> 00:22:27.949 And the reason for that is it's not the money that makes you happy, right? 00:22:28.169 --> 00:22:31.189 For me, it's not the fact that I have a little bit of money. 00:22:31.639 --> 00:22:34.740 It's the fact of I created this money, right? 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:35.719 It wasn't given to me. 00:22:36.080 --> 00:22:37.610 I know what I had to do. 00:22:38.754 --> 00:22:40.975 People always ask me, why do you like doing this hard shit? 00:22:40.975 --> 00:22:44.835 I'm running ultra marathons and, you know, fighting him or was fighting 00:22:44.835 --> 00:22:47.524 MMA and, you know, training and all this other kinds of stuff. 00:22:47.524 --> 00:22:48.845 Why do I put myself through this? 00:22:49.284 --> 00:22:53.675 This is, this is what actually makes you feel good in life, right? 00:22:53.704 --> 00:22:58.425 Like I use this as an example all the time, but when you sit down. 00:22:58.750 --> 00:23:02.790 At Thanksgiving dinner with your family or Christmas dinner or whatever, right? 00:23:03.499 --> 00:23:04.689 What are you bragging about? 00:23:04.929 --> 00:23:10.120 Are you bragging about, or talking about the couch watching Netflix? 00:23:10.629 --> 00:23:11.000 No. 00:23:11.299 --> 00:23:11.949 What are you bragging? 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:14.510 You're bragging about the accomplishments that you've done. 00:23:14.560 --> 00:23:15.760 You went for a run. 00:23:15.760 --> 00:23:16.939 I lost 20 pounds. 00:23:16.939 --> 00:23:17.220 I did. 00:23:17.639 --> 00:23:21.360 Is it the 20 pounds of loss that makes you feel good? 00:23:21.550 --> 00:23:21.889 Sure. 00:23:21.889 --> 00:23:24.639 You look better in the mirror, but it's the fact that you did 00:23:24.639 --> 00:23:26.060 shit you weren't doing before. 00:23:26.750 --> 00:23:30.110 You ate better, you trained better, you did whatever it took 00:23:30.290 --> 00:23:31.590 to make you a better person. 00:23:31.610 --> 00:23:33.189 This is what makes us feel good. 00:23:33.419 --> 00:23:36.909 And I feel like, unfortunately, right now we're relying on the 00:23:36.929 --> 00:23:41.149 doping hits and rushes of outside sources, video games, whatever it may 00:23:41.149 --> 00:23:43.079 be, instead of doing it ourselves. 00:23:43.299 --> 00:23:45.439 Travis Bader: Well, that's not really a new trend either. 00:23:45.439 --> 00:23:50.754 I was watching, I think it was Dragnet and this, uh, old, old, Dragnet episode. 00:23:50.754 --> 00:23:53.905 And they're one of the guys, I forget his name, is lecturing the 00:23:53.905 --> 00:23:58.615 young whippersnappers about how they like everything so instantaneous. 00:23:58.615 --> 00:24:02.485 You pick up a phone and dial it and you're able to get a hold of a friend and you 00:24:02.495 --> 00:24:06.034 have, you turn on the radio and you can hear things are coming in right away. 00:24:06.034 --> 00:24:07.174 And, and it's. 00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:11.930 It's funny how it's exact same conversation that's happening now, just 00:24:11.930 --> 00:24:18.570 with different devices and a different speed, um, that was happening back then. 00:24:18.639 --> 00:24:22.450 Like there is a natural inclination for humans. 00:24:22.925 --> 00:24:27.725 And for creatures in general, whether that be game animals, there's a 00:24:27.725 --> 00:24:31.874 reason there are game trails, because there is a path of least resistance. 00:24:32.165 --> 00:24:33.495 Other people have traveled it. 00:24:33.604 --> 00:24:37.414 It's probably going to be safe and okay. 00:24:37.415 --> 00:24:38.655 That's the place where I'm going to set up. 00:24:38.655 --> 00:24:41.685 If I'm hunting, it's going to be on a game trail, people are the same way. 00:24:42.205 --> 00:24:47.675 And that level of safety and security that people will travel down 00:24:47.965 --> 00:24:51.925 doesn't lead to great innovation and what you're pointing out as well. 00:24:52.165 --> 00:24:56.205 It really doesn't lead to a great sense of self accomplishment or 00:24:56.205 --> 00:24:56.955 Sean Zubor: happiness. 00:24:57.274 --> 00:24:57.495 Yeah. 00:24:57.495 --> 00:25:00.855 And just to put it in perspective, like what you just said, so if you're 00:25:00.855 --> 00:25:03.105 the game and you're going down the game trail, where did you just set 00:25:03.105 --> 00:25:04.844 up your, uh, your hunting stand? 00:25:04.915 --> 00:25:05.435 You got it. 00:25:05.544 --> 00:25:06.164 On the game trail. 00:25:06.165 --> 00:25:08.144 So where are you going to pop that deer or whatever it's going to be? 00:25:08.145 --> 00:25:08.965 It's on that game trail. 00:25:08.975 --> 00:25:13.475 So it now, are there obviously reasons and what? 00:25:13.855 --> 00:25:16.895 And ways and why you should take that game trail in life and certain 00:25:16.895 --> 00:25:20.265 reasons a hundred percent, but there has to be a portion of your 00:25:20.265 --> 00:25:23.664 life that you can be proud of this. 00:25:23.674 --> 00:25:26.745 These are the things that get you out of depression that gets you 00:25:26.835 --> 00:25:32.425 moving one step forward in front that actually make you have self worth. 00:25:32.865 --> 00:25:35.345 And that's really what you cannot be given self worth. 00:25:35.905 --> 00:25:41.965 You cannot be handed self worth, you have to create that amongst yourselves and I 00:25:41.975 --> 00:25:46.115 feel like that is probably the biggest issue we're having right now and I look at 00:25:46.435 --> 00:25:54.984 society in general is, you know, we always hear that saying good men, uh, what is it? 00:25:55.185 --> 00:25:56.255 Well, help me out here. 00:25:56.445 --> 00:25:59.955 So hard times make good men, good men make good times. 00:26:00.550 --> 00:26:04.080 Good times make weak men, weak men make hard times, right? 00:26:04.730 --> 00:26:09.720 And so right now we're in a place, if you look at society in general, is 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:14.360 they've never suffered as a society in the last 20 years, 30 years, 50 00:26:14.360 --> 00:26:17.230 years, really since the Vietnam war, when there was a draft, there really 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:19.559 hasn't been an extreme hardship. 00:26:19.909 --> 00:26:20.719 Now don't get me wrong. 00:26:20.719 --> 00:26:23.929 Obviously there's been individuals that have been on frontline and gone to war 00:26:23.929 --> 00:26:27.099 and so on and so forth, but it's never been forced on the general public. 00:26:27.139 --> 00:26:29.929 People do not know what famine is. 00:26:30.270 --> 00:26:32.620 People do not hear anyways in North America. 00:26:33.129 --> 00:26:35.899 So we are now searching for reasons to feel bad about 00:26:35.899 --> 00:26:38.070 ourselves, that this is our heart. 00:26:38.120 --> 00:26:39.870 This is our generation's hard time. 00:26:39.899 --> 00:26:42.280 You know, like, I don't know what, uh, gender I am. 00:26:42.520 --> 00:26:43.459 Look at me roar. 00:26:43.459 --> 00:26:46.610 Like this is my generation's hard time. 00:26:46.710 --> 00:26:47.060 Right. 00:26:47.685 --> 00:26:54.625 And instead, we can, we don't need to have global hard times, which was 00:26:54.785 --> 00:26:58.425 unfortunately, it looks like the way we're heading in many cases to be 00:26:58.445 --> 00:27:03.054 able to make ourselves good men and women, we just need to continuously 00:27:03.195 --> 00:27:08.125 be responsible for ourselves and put ourselves through these tests and 00:27:08.125 --> 00:27:09.339 put ourselves through these tests. 00:27:09.500 --> 00:27:13.450 Forcing ourselves to do things that we may not want to do, but it's a betterment 00:27:13.470 --> 00:27:17.500 of not just our country, ourselves, our family, our society in general. 00:27:17.790 --> 00:27:20.270 And I feel like that's kind of where we've lost in translation. 00:27:20.270 --> 00:27:23.709 And unfortunately, this is one of the main reasons I love coming on these 00:27:23.729 --> 00:27:27.089 podcasts and talking about this kind of stuff is because this is what I'm 00:27:27.100 --> 00:27:30.740 trying to help and try to solve if I could at all, this would be the one, 00:27:31.310 --> 00:27:32.940 the one motivating factor that I really 00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:33.629 Travis Bader: have right now. 00:27:33.750 --> 00:27:38.570 So Jim Shockey was talking with him recently and, uh, he says, you know, Trav. 00:27:39.615 --> 00:27:40.455 I've worked hard. 00:27:40.485 --> 00:27:43.375 I've had some pretty cool stories, great successes. 00:27:43.375 --> 00:27:49.225 I've enjoyed it along the way with my family and I've shared the trappings 00:27:49.235 --> 00:27:51.075 of my success with my family. 00:27:51.764 --> 00:27:55.274 And I'm wondering if I didn't do them a disservice, if I didn't do 00:27:55.274 --> 00:27:59.514 my kids a disservice of allowing them to succeed or fail on their 00:27:59.534 --> 00:28:01.814 own accord in certain places. 00:28:02.325 --> 00:28:05.894 And it was a very interesting thing that he was talking about. 00:28:06.225 --> 00:28:10.485 You work so hard to provide for yourself and for those that you love those 00:28:10.485 --> 00:28:12.755 around you, but are you doing them the. 00:28:13.055 --> 00:28:15.125 Disservice by not allowing them to struggle. 00:28:15.125 --> 00:28:20.695 And you're just, you're mentioning, you know, the, the human struggle. 00:28:20.695 --> 00:28:21.874 There's always going to be a struggle. 00:28:21.874 --> 00:28:23.544 It's always going to be relative, right? 00:28:24.465 --> 00:28:30.024 Um, you could have everything taken from you and still be happy and 00:28:30.024 --> 00:28:33.614 struggling alongside individuals, just like in concentration camps, 00:28:33.645 --> 00:28:36.495 Victor Frankl and his famous quote, and I've said it here before. 00:28:36.495 --> 00:28:38.485 One thing you can't take from me is the way I choose to 00:28:38.495 --> 00:28:39.754 respond to what you do to me. 00:28:39.975 --> 00:28:42.564 Last of life's great freedoms is one's ability to choose your own 00:28:42.574 --> 00:28:44.284 attitude in any given circumstance. 00:28:44.699 --> 00:28:50.010 But that attitude is going to be, um, tempered by your past life experiences, 00:28:50.040 --> 00:28:52.129 by the social norms of what's going on. 00:28:52.930 --> 00:28:59.790 I would think that the, the, the hardships that people are 00:28:59.790 --> 00:29:03.999 encountering perhaps aren't as. 00:29:04.645 --> 00:29:07.605 This shouldn't be diminished, whatever those hardships might be, but they should 00:29:07.615 --> 00:29:11.595 be shown a path forward to something that maybe will provide them with something 00:29:11.595 --> 00:29:15.715 that's going to be a more desirable outcome because, you know, devil's 00:29:15.715 --> 00:29:18.304 hands, idle hands make for devil's work. 00:29:18.965 --> 00:29:23.774 And when there's too much idleness going on, I think you find yourself in what you 00:29:23.775 --> 00:29:27.425 and I were talking before on the phone, where you feel that there's a direction 00:29:27.425 --> 00:29:29.365 that some of the world might be heading. 00:29:29.375 --> 00:29:35.170 That is, um, It's not a good, it's not a good place. 00:29:37.010 --> 00:29:37.970 Sean Zubor: To add to that too. 00:29:37.970 --> 00:29:41.510 And I, and I don't like, I'm not even speaking really even 00:29:41.510 --> 00:29:44.780 politically, you know, I'm not the left, the right, whatever it is. 00:29:44.800 --> 00:29:49.989 There are a lot of people on both sides generally that are going down this 00:29:50.320 --> 00:29:53.450 path of lack of self responsibility. 00:29:54.055 --> 00:29:58.805 And what I mean by that is, is, you know, you have the far right, for 00:29:58.805 --> 00:30:01.575 example, I'll use them because I'm sure most people are going to consider 00:30:01.575 --> 00:30:03.774 us right in, in, in most aspects. 00:30:03.804 --> 00:30:04.124 Right. 00:30:04.655 --> 00:30:07.375 But there's a lot of those guys that are, you know, you would call 00:30:07.375 --> 00:30:08.765 conspiracy theorists or whatever. 00:30:08.765 --> 00:30:13.205 And even if they write or wrong, they're looking for, uh, a Messiah 00:30:13.235 --> 00:30:15.805 amongst a leader to take care of them. 00:30:15.925 --> 00:30:18.445 You know, they're like, okay, well we need to get rid of this guy. 00:30:18.455 --> 00:30:19.545 We need to get rid of Trudeau. 00:30:19.545 --> 00:30:20.785 We need to get rid of all these other guys. 00:30:21.025 --> 00:30:22.525 And this guy is going to save us. 00:30:22.855 --> 00:30:23.135 Right? 00:30:23.355 --> 00:30:27.385 And on the polar opposite, you have socialists, communists, 00:30:27.385 --> 00:30:28.715 whatever it may be, right? 00:30:29.115 --> 00:30:33.795 And these guys are like, okay, well, we need to all be equal and this 00:30:33.795 --> 00:30:36.015 person's going to save us, right? 00:30:36.555 --> 00:30:39.035 So both sides on many aspects. 00:30:39.385 --> 00:30:43.855 Are looking for something outside of themselves to really save them. 00:30:44.165 --> 00:30:45.265 Why do you think that is? 00:30:45.815 --> 00:30:46.735 Because it's easier. 00:30:47.175 --> 00:30:47.525 Sure. 00:30:47.555 --> 00:30:48.115 Without a doubt. 00:30:48.175 --> 00:30:50.025 That is the only reason I am generally. 00:30:50.035 --> 00:30:54.785 And the reason why I say that is, is because is there a lack of guidance? 00:30:54.794 --> 00:30:56.194 So do I believe in mentorship? 00:30:56.205 --> 00:30:56.595 Sure. 00:30:56.665 --> 00:31:00.135 I coach tons of people and mentorship is something that. 00:31:00.645 --> 00:31:02.045 I'm, I'm a huge believer. 00:31:02.045 --> 00:31:05.285 And I think that's really the only hack in life is to learn from somebody else 00:31:05.285 --> 00:31:07.025 that you want to emulate or be like. 00:31:07.105 --> 00:31:07.985 That's a huge life hack. 00:31:07.995 --> 00:31:08.525 Huge. 00:31:08.815 --> 00:31:14.405 Um, but I also feel like it is a lot easier to say, Hey, that person over 00:31:14.405 --> 00:31:16.084 there can make everything better. 00:31:16.605 --> 00:31:20.705 Whereas the reality is I want to be the man personally, that I'm 00:31:20.705 --> 00:31:23.635 the only one that's responsible for making my life better. 00:31:24.055 --> 00:31:24.345 Right. 00:31:24.855 --> 00:31:28.155 And so it's a difference in mentality that I've seen. 00:31:28.155 --> 00:31:30.595 And most of these successful people, like look at the people that have 00:31:30.595 --> 00:31:32.735 come from actual hardships, right? 00:31:32.955 --> 00:31:34.805 And I'm not trying to diminish people's hardships. 00:31:34.805 --> 00:31:35.844 There's definitely depression. 00:31:35.845 --> 00:31:37.375 There's definitely a lot of things out there. 00:31:37.935 --> 00:31:41.985 But if you look at people that have literally grown up in the streets, I 00:31:41.995 --> 00:31:47.455 have a friend of mine that now, um, is in Kelowna multi million dollar realtor. 00:31:47.635 --> 00:31:48.705 He was homeless. 00:31:49.070 --> 00:31:51.890 Nine years ago, living in the streets, right? 00:31:52.170 --> 00:31:54.710 Went through, you know, parents had alcohol abuse, 00:31:54.730 --> 00:31:55.920 all this other kinds of stuff. 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.590 Like that is a nasty story to begin with, right? 00:31:59.170 --> 00:32:03.339 But he took responsibility for the position where he is right there. 00:32:03.830 --> 00:32:05.319 Obviously that he start. 00:32:05.535 --> 00:32:09.805 At a negative, for sure, but him being on the streets, there's only one person 00:32:09.805 --> 00:32:10.935 that's going to take care of that. 00:32:11.155 --> 00:32:15.895 And if somebody came along and helped him off the streets, right, that, that's 00:32:15.905 --> 00:32:19.645 always gracious, great thing to do, but he's gonna end up back on the streets 00:32:19.645 --> 00:32:23.285 unless he does something to kind of fix what originally was that problem. 00:32:23.744 --> 00:32:24.394 So I feel... 00:32:24.725 --> 00:32:32.485 That's, for myself, it's understanding that the responsibility is solely mine 00:32:33.735 --> 00:32:40.085 is the first step to being, and even if it, one of my clients, she's, um, 00:32:40.104 --> 00:32:44.815 I won't go into too much of it, but, but she, famous model, extremely famous 00:32:44.815 --> 00:32:47.624 model, um, especially within Canada. 00:32:48.620 --> 00:32:52.460 So she has a horrific backstory, horrific, but she's very much into 00:32:52.460 --> 00:32:53.850 stoicism and all these other things. 00:32:53.870 --> 00:32:56.490 And what I mean by horrific backstory growing up as a model, 00:32:56.730 --> 00:33:00.309 she was raped multiple times, all kinds of crazy situations, right? 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:01.439 Or twice, she said. 00:33:02.110 --> 00:33:04.509 And so she's telling me this story and she's sitting down with her 00:33:04.509 --> 00:33:08.340 psychologist and her psychiatrist, and they're basically telling her 00:33:08.750 --> 00:33:10.760 that, you know, it's okay to cry. 00:33:10.790 --> 00:33:12.440 Like, I can't believe he did this to you. 00:33:13.340 --> 00:33:17.530 In her minds, in her words, not mine, they were enabling. 00:33:18.065 --> 00:33:21.485 The victim mindset, you see that a lot, tons. 00:33:21.945 --> 00:33:26.655 So what she said to them is she's like, listen, it never will change the fact that 00:33:26.655 --> 00:33:28.835 what these people did to me was horrific. 00:33:29.115 --> 00:33:30.185 It will never change that. 00:33:30.294 --> 00:33:31.235 They did that. 00:33:31.475 --> 00:33:32.865 That's on them to worry about. 00:33:32.874 --> 00:33:34.084 That's on their conscience. 00:33:34.084 --> 00:33:34.934 That's on them. 00:33:35.154 --> 00:33:35.484 Right. 00:33:35.965 --> 00:33:38.525 However, if I want to live in peace. 00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:42.050 I need to take responsibility for my portion of the action. 00:33:42.450 --> 00:33:42.770 Right. 00:33:43.060 --> 00:33:45.820 And so most of us, when she was thinking, saying this, like, all I 00:33:45.820 --> 00:33:49.050 can think about is hanging these guys by a noose, you know what I mean? 00:33:49.050 --> 00:33:51.850 Like, I think most men would think the exact same thing. 00:33:52.089 --> 00:33:54.130 What do you mean take this responsibility? 00:33:55.205 --> 00:33:57.375 How could you take responsibility for getting raped? 00:33:57.815 --> 00:33:59.055 Like, how does that even make sense? 00:33:59.485 --> 00:34:02.015 But then she says, you know what, Sean, I was drunk. 00:34:02.685 --> 00:34:03.815 I was in bad spots. 00:34:03.855 --> 00:34:05.215 I was hanging out with the wrong crowds. 00:34:05.655 --> 00:34:09.975 I put myself in this place and this is what she's telling me. 00:34:10.294 --> 00:34:12.435 And she's like, this doesn't diminish what they did to me. 00:34:12.444 --> 00:34:13.254 However. 00:34:13.855 --> 00:34:18.785 If I don't allow myself to take some responsibility for it, how can I have 00:34:18.785 --> 00:34:23.794 control going for, uh, going forward every day, moving forward, I would have 00:34:23.795 --> 00:34:28.084 to be like, okay, anybody can attack me any single time they want anything. 00:34:28.165 --> 00:34:30.085 And I would live in continuous fear. 00:34:30.425 --> 00:34:33.525 So this was this groundbreaking moment for me when she's telling 00:34:33.525 --> 00:34:34.774 me this, because it makes sense. 00:34:34.794 --> 00:34:38.074 It doesn't make sense, but it makes sense at the same time is that she's 00:34:38.134 --> 00:34:40.445 enabling herself to take control. 00:34:40.975 --> 00:34:44.315 Simply by the fact that she's enabled, she's telling herself, well, these are 00:34:44.315 --> 00:34:45.355 the things that could have changed. 00:34:45.625 --> 00:34:49.125 These are what I'm taking responsibility for in these parts, which was 00:34:49.165 --> 00:34:51.745 something that I'm talking about today. 00:34:51.745 --> 00:34:53.045 I've never really forgot ever. 00:34:55.195 --> 00:34:55.385 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:34:55.385 --> 00:34:58.354 It's, it's a very powerful tool for somebody to be able to use 00:34:58.354 --> 00:35:01.025 if they want to try and control every aspect of their life. 00:35:01.065 --> 00:35:05.325 But there's also another side to that, which is the water is going 00:35:05.325 --> 00:35:07.025 to reflect your image, right? 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:10.350 Did you make it reflect your image? 00:35:10.350 --> 00:35:11.720 Well, maybe you stepped in front of it. 00:35:11.730 --> 00:35:15.750 Maybe you have to be there, but sometimes some things just happen and we just 00:35:15.750 --> 00:35:20.450 have to understand that, um, maybe. 00:35:22.345 --> 00:35:25.675 As we move forward, having that level of control will definitely give you, 00:35:25.745 --> 00:35:29.595 uh, that sense of control, but in the same breath, being able to let go of 00:35:29.595 --> 00:35:32.675 certain things too, because if you try and control absolutely every aspect 00:35:32.675 --> 00:35:34.955 of your life, you're going to be, you're going to be a nervous wrack. 00:35:35.045 --> 00:35:35.355 Totally. 00:35:35.804 --> 00:35:38.995 The victim mentality that's talked about is one that, um, 00:35:39.015 --> 00:35:40.245 that we see a lot in society. 00:35:40.245 --> 00:35:43.445 And one of the things that you and I had talked about before was just, you know, 00:35:43.455 --> 00:35:50.505 um, In let's say the listeners to the podcast, a lot of people own firearms. 00:35:50.505 --> 00:35:52.175 A lot of people are in the hunting community. 00:35:52.605 --> 00:35:56.865 A lot of people are looking for that savior to come out and say, who's going to 00:35:56.895 --> 00:36:02.905 be the one who comes and changes the laws so we can get what we want or makes it so 00:36:02.905 --> 00:36:04.905 we can hunt in whatever area it might be. 00:36:06.755 --> 00:36:10.945 Empowering the individual to have a sense of agency as to what they're 00:36:10.965 --> 00:36:12.705 actually able to affect around them. 00:36:13.295 --> 00:36:19.205 I'm, I'm not entirely sold that everybody will, uh, wait for somebody 00:36:19.205 --> 00:36:21.075 else to do it because they're lazy. 00:36:21.125 --> 00:36:23.074 I definitely think that's part of the puzzle. 00:36:23.650 --> 00:36:26.490 But I, I think there's a lot of people who are also afraid. 00:36:26.850 --> 00:36:31.060 They're afraid to step up and put their neck out or be in the forefront because 00:36:31.060 --> 00:36:34.750 they know when you're out there, you might look behind you and see a whole bunch of 00:36:34.750 --> 00:36:36.349 people like, yeah, you're doing great. 00:36:36.350 --> 00:36:36.890 You're awesome. 00:36:36.890 --> 00:36:39.619 But the second things go sideways, you're out there in the wind. 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.199 So that takes a certain amount of mental, emotional strength for an 00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.099 individual to, to, to make these. 00:36:48.295 --> 00:36:53.285 Sean Zubor: I agree a hundred percent and yeah, it, it's a combination of, 00:36:53.335 --> 00:36:58.364 it's easier to vote for somebody or to be that somebody, a combination of fear. 00:36:58.695 --> 00:37:01.225 A lot of times though, especially in business. 00:37:02.005 --> 00:37:04.045 And I would say it's even to do with this as well. 00:37:04.244 --> 00:37:07.545 Fear is based a lot on ego. 00:37:08.124 --> 00:37:10.255 And what I mean by that is not confidence. 00:37:10.255 --> 00:37:13.565 It's not that type of ego, but fear and ego play a role. 00:37:13.625 --> 00:37:16.105 So I'll give you an example when it comes to even what you're 00:37:16.105 --> 00:37:17.504 talking about right now, but. 00:37:17.925 --> 00:37:21.905 More so, even in like real estate and sales and real estate, we're 00:37:21.905 --> 00:37:26.255 always out there door knocking, cold calling, doing things that 00:37:26.284 --> 00:37:27.825 make most people uncomfortable. 00:37:28.185 --> 00:37:28.465 Right. 00:37:29.154 --> 00:37:31.375 And why do they make you uncomfortable? 00:37:31.375 --> 00:37:33.435 Because somebody is going to reject you. 00:37:33.845 --> 00:37:34.235 Right. 00:37:34.245 --> 00:37:37.375 Somebody is going to, in your mind, think differently of you. 00:37:37.425 --> 00:37:38.445 And why does that affect you? 00:37:38.445 --> 00:37:39.745 Because it hurts your ego. 00:37:40.065 --> 00:37:41.735 It makes you feel like less of a person. 00:37:42.185 --> 00:37:45.294 And this is the same kind of thing is why don't we stand up 00:37:45.295 --> 00:37:47.725 for our gun rights personally? 00:37:47.805 --> 00:37:50.405 Why don't we post something on social media? 00:37:50.724 --> 00:37:52.234 You know, why aren't more? 00:37:52.835 --> 00:37:58.355 Cause funny enough, I know tons of business people that all own firearms 00:37:58.645 --> 00:38:02.214 that are very more of like vote conservative or whatever you want to say, 00:38:02.215 --> 00:38:06.955 but they would never post any of that kind of stuff on their public forums. 00:38:07.374 --> 00:38:08.674 And the reason for that is. 00:38:08.900 --> 00:38:10.910 Like you said, it's fear of loss. 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:12.680 It's fear of I'm going to lose customer base. 00:38:12.690 --> 00:38:13.000 It's fear. 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:18.440 I'm going to, you know, um, say something that will, uh, jeopardize my business. 00:38:18.460 --> 00:38:21.520 It's a fear of loss of losing my, my, my home. 00:38:21.550 --> 00:38:24.389 It's an all fear relates to death in one way or another. 00:38:24.390 --> 00:38:25.830 We cycle through all these things. 00:38:25.830 --> 00:38:29.310 And, you know, one of the clear things they say is like, okay, well, if I 00:38:29.310 --> 00:38:31.310 say this, and this is how our minds. 00:38:31.870 --> 00:38:36.400 Subconsciously work, if I knock on this door and they reject me, I'm 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.970 never going to get another sale, which means I'm never going to have money, 00:38:38.970 --> 00:38:40.110 which means I'm going to go bankrupt. 00:38:40.110 --> 00:38:41.670 I'm not going to be able to eat and I'm going to die. 00:38:41.819 --> 00:38:45.669 Like this is how we cycle through these processes if we like it or not. 00:38:45.939 --> 00:38:46.289 Right. 00:38:46.790 --> 00:38:52.380 And so to back to what you're saying, and I, and I'm in a complete agreement 00:38:52.450 --> 00:38:56.290 is why is it that we are afraid? 00:38:56.560 --> 00:39:01.740 To, to make a stand or not even to make a stand, just make a personal statement. 00:39:02.250 --> 00:39:05.040 And I feel like it's because we have this fear of loss. 00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:09.279 And then the other reason is unfortunately, because we don't own a lot 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.290 of the media stations and we don't own like what I say, we is like the people 00:39:13.290 --> 00:39:16.660 that in the same type of thought pattern that we're talking about right now. 00:39:17.250 --> 00:39:20.320 And so we don't have a lot of standard backing. 00:39:20.755 --> 00:39:24.325 And we don't back each other as much as we should, and as much as a lot of the 00:39:24.335 --> 00:39:26.555 others do, or the opposite opinions do. 00:39:26.985 --> 00:39:30.645 And so, like you said, there might be a be like, oh yeah, go for it. 00:39:30.645 --> 00:39:31.535 Go get them guys. 00:39:31.554 --> 00:39:35.925 And then all of a sudden you're on TV and now you become some sort of 00:39:36.355 --> 00:39:40.595 gun toting maniac or something like that because you support firearms, 00:39:40.865 --> 00:39:44.485 all of a sudden that, that choir that was behind you silences pretty quick. 00:39:45.965 --> 00:39:48.325 Travis Bader: There's a guy who was seeing him recently, I guess 00:39:48.325 --> 00:39:49.715 he's got quite the following and. 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:52.010 I'm not sure who he was. 00:39:52.050 --> 00:39:53.440 Maybe I should have known who this guy was. 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:57.970 Asian fellow says, um, I tweeted or posted saying, you know, I, 00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.500 I like the Joe Rogan podcast. 00:39:59.500 --> 00:39:59.750 Right. 00:39:59.830 --> 00:40:00.060 And I 00:40:00.610 --> 00:40:01.720 Sean Zubor: just reshared that one. 00:40:01.720 --> 00:40:02.180 That's so funny. 00:40:02.180 --> 00:40:02.520 You said that. 00:40:02.980 --> 00:40:03.569 Travis Bader: So there you go. 00:40:03.640 --> 00:40:05.069 So I don't know who that fellow was. 00:40:05.080 --> 00:40:06.220 Should I know who that person is? 00:40:06.250 --> 00:40:06.540 No. 00:40:06.590 --> 00:40:06.800 Okay. 00:40:07.460 --> 00:40:09.539 So he says, I like the Joe Rogan podcast. 00:40:09.540 --> 00:40:12.340 I immediately lost like 15, 000 followers. 00:40:12.340 --> 00:40:16.840 And people are like, you got, you got to take that post down. 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.070 You can't put that, uh, hit the people he does work with 00:40:19.070 --> 00:40:19.940 or telling them to change it. 00:40:19.940 --> 00:40:20.290 And he's like. 00:40:21.170 --> 00:40:23.140 No, they, they're calling them racist. 00:40:23.140 --> 00:40:24.340 They're calling them right wing. 00:40:25.210 --> 00:40:27.210 I don't agree with everything the guy says. 00:40:27.250 --> 00:40:30.760 I just enjoyed listening to this episode and I, and I liked it, but 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:32.860 no, no, I'm not going to change that. 00:40:32.860 --> 00:40:34.110 I'm not going to take that post down. 00:40:34.110 --> 00:40:37.359 I'm, I'm not making a stance, so to speak, but I'm also not going 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.982 to just kowtow to the masses so that it makes you feel happy. 00:40:40.982 --> 00:40:45.220 If someone's got a fire in them and they've got a. 00:40:46.385 --> 00:40:51.645 A desire to share something with the rest of the world or their close 00:40:51.645 --> 00:40:55.335 friends or whoever it might be, who is it for everybody else, provided 00:40:55.335 --> 00:40:58.245 they're doing this in a positive way, they're not hurting other people, 00:40:58.245 --> 00:41:02.335 they're doing things that are going to be, uh, hopefully moving towards. 00:41:03.115 --> 00:41:04.135 A better place. 00:41:04.265 --> 00:41:07.215 Who's it for everyone to say, well, we like that you're trying to be positive, 00:41:07.215 --> 00:41:08.715 but here's the proper way to do it. 00:41:09.045 --> 00:41:09.385 Right. 00:41:09.785 --> 00:41:12.895 Sean Zubor: Well, and, and the unfortunately what it is too, is, 00:41:13.305 --> 00:41:16.815 and I agree with you, everything you're saying is unfortunately right 00:41:16.815 --> 00:41:21.734 now, there's, there's not enough support for people that do that. 00:41:22.125 --> 00:41:22.445 Right. 00:41:22.495 --> 00:41:24.845 And I'll give you an example, right? 00:41:24.965 --> 00:41:29.995 I am, everybody in my brokerage knows I'm very conservative, vote conservative, 00:41:30.025 --> 00:41:32.695 not to get too political, but whatever, but that's my political stance. 00:41:32.695 --> 00:41:32.725 Sure. 00:41:34.160 --> 00:41:37.444 I have somebody that ran for the NDP MLA. 00:41:38.095 --> 00:41:41.375 In one of our constitutes and I have no problem with that. 00:41:41.515 --> 00:41:44.645 I'm, I'm the kind of guy that if we can have an intelligent debate 00:41:44.665 --> 00:41:47.784 or talk or whatever, or decide not to talk politics, I'm okay. 00:41:48.254 --> 00:41:50.835 I'm a human being, and I'm going to treat you like a human being. 00:41:50.945 --> 00:41:51.275 Right. 00:41:51.715 --> 00:41:54.585 Unfortunately, right now we're so polarized. 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:58.560 And I'm not going to blame one side or the other, but we're so polarized that we 00:41:58.560 --> 00:42:00.980 can't even have an expression of thought. 00:42:01.530 --> 00:42:05.480 And once we lose this expression of thought, then all of a sudden we 00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:09.580 start going downhill into so many different things that lead nowhere good. 00:42:10.059 --> 00:42:14.599 And I think like the first thing, just like that gentleman said, is that there 00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:18.689 needs to be more people that just stand up for the freedom of expression of thought. 00:42:19.135 --> 00:42:21.985 And the freedom of expression of verbalizing, those things 00:42:21.985 --> 00:42:25.755 that you're thinking and getting your opinion out there one side. 00:42:25.755 --> 00:42:27.045 It's okay to do the other side. 00:42:27.045 --> 00:42:32.045 Not so much apparently right now, but we need to also support those that say, 00:42:32.065 --> 00:42:35.815 and on both sides, if you agree or don't agree with them, it doesn't mean we need 00:42:35.815 --> 00:42:37.935 to tear everybody else to bring them down. 00:42:38.105 --> 00:42:38.584 You know what I mean? 00:42:38.634 --> 00:42:42.104 We just need to have everybody have an opportunity to say what 00:42:42.104 --> 00:42:45.054 they think equally without Okay. 00:42:45.145 --> 00:42:47.375 Automatically throwing labels into it. 00:42:47.385 --> 00:42:50.625 For example, like now, you know, and he's an Asian American guy. 00:42:50.715 --> 00:42:51.685 Now he's racist. 00:42:51.725 --> 00:42:52.395 Now he's a bigot. 00:42:52.435 --> 00:42:56.115 Now he's whatever, because he watches the show and unfortunately we take 00:42:56.145 --> 00:42:58.104 too many things on both sides. 00:42:58.165 --> 00:43:02.255 And even, you know, I'm, I'm just going to play the devil's advocate on this, even 00:43:02.255 --> 00:43:05.684 the right side, as soon as somebody says something about universal healthcare or 00:43:05.684 --> 00:43:08.625 whatever, and this is just their opinion, they're automatically a communist. 00:43:09.045 --> 00:43:09.645 Do you know what I mean? 00:43:10.005 --> 00:43:12.925 And obviously on the other side, if you like Joe Rogan, you're 00:43:12.925 --> 00:43:14.905 a fascist or whatever it is. 00:43:14.905 --> 00:43:15.185 Right. 00:43:15.565 --> 00:43:18.895 I think we need to stop labeling these things and just understand 00:43:18.895 --> 00:43:20.685 this conversation and support the 00:43:20.685 --> 00:43:21.485 Travis Bader: conversation. 00:43:21.685 --> 00:43:25.375 The art of civil discourse seems to be a bit of a lost art. 00:43:25.924 --> 00:43:27.709 The ability to separate the. 00:43:27.940 --> 00:43:31.310 Argument from the individual seems to be lost. 00:43:31.310 --> 00:43:34.440 And I don't think that's an unintentional consequence. 00:43:34.950 --> 00:43:40.459 I think there is, I think there's a lot of power to having people sidle 00:43:40.460 --> 00:43:45.119 up their personality, their persona, their ego and all the rest with whatever 00:43:45.139 --> 00:43:47.260 their, their thoughts are at the time. 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:55.750 Um, it's a good way to be able to, um, affect change, whether that's positive or. 00:43:56.555 --> 00:44:00.425 Or a negative change in the masses is to be able to have people identify 00:44:00.435 --> 00:44:03.895 in certain groups where you can start separating and dividing. 00:44:03.955 --> 00:44:09.265 And it's not always coming from a place of, of, uh, of evil. 00:44:09.375 --> 00:44:09.565 Yeah. 00:44:09.575 --> 00:44:13.694 Quite often it's coming from a place of, of wanting to do the right thing. 00:44:13.695 --> 00:44:14.035 They see. 00:44:14.500 --> 00:44:18.560 Here's an altruistic idea of where society could be, or what we should be able to do. 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.760 Wouldn't it be great if we didn't have any guns? 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:25.530 Wouldn't it be great if we didn't have any drugs and we wouldn't have drug 00:44:25.530 --> 00:44:31.069 problems, we wouldn't have, uh, violence in the streets that are firearms related. 00:44:31.589 --> 00:44:34.389 And that, that sounds fantastic, right? 00:44:34.390 --> 00:44:37.480 But the reality is a lot more nuanced than that, than that. 00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:41.070 And the reality of the effect of that is never. 00:44:41.515 --> 00:44:44.055 Never seems to prove out in the way that an individual 00:44:44.065 --> 00:44:45.855 tries to, to push it forward. 00:44:45.855 --> 00:44:46.115 So. 00:44:46.845 --> 00:44:50.805 Separating you as an individual from some of the things that you 00:44:50.805 --> 00:44:56.585 might be saying, I think is a skill, which, and you're talking about 00:44:56.595 --> 00:45:01.004 stoicism, which is starting to come back into fashion out of necessity. 00:45:01.205 --> 00:45:01.475 Sean Zubor: Yeah. 00:45:02.104 --> 00:45:06.685 And you can see that with, you know, Joe Rogan, for example, I mean, he gets 00:45:06.685 --> 00:45:08.924 more views than CNN does now, right? 00:45:08.924 --> 00:45:13.035 So you're starting to see some positive momentum, even friends. 00:45:13.035 --> 00:45:14.815 I was like, as I mentioned, I was just in LA. 00:45:15.655 --> 00:45:21.905 The gentleman I was meeting with, um, staunch lefter, if you want to call 00:45:21.915 --> 00:45:27.865 it that, um, he's now started, he considers himself middle because, which 00:45:27.974 --> 00:45:30.115 he says in terms puts him to the right. 00:45:30.485 --> 00:45:32.155 And it's just because he's seen. 00:45:32.335 --> 00:45:34.995 All the looting, all the things that are happening. 00:45:35.005 --> 00:45:41.024 He's going through a court case right now because of the civil laws in California 00:45:41.035 --> 00:45:42.574 that just make absolutely no sense. 00:45:42.594 --> 00:45:47.734 And he literally is going to have to pay somebody a hundred thousand us, um, 00:45:47.765 --> 00:45:49.705 for hiring somebody that lied to them. 00:45:49.794 --> 00:45:52.315 But the only reason he has to do that is cause he's going to win. 00:45:52.325 --> 00:45:56.975 But if he loses by 1, if he's owed this person 1, he's got to cover both 00:45:56.975 --> 00:45:59.554 legal expenses, which is 600, 000. 00:45:59.555 --> 00:46:00.215 And cost. 00:46:00.285 --> 00:46:00.894 And cost. 00:46:00.935 --> 00:46:01.335 So. 00:46:01.855 --> 00:46:05.225 For him, he's just like, okay, this is, you know, we've turned into a 00:46:05.225 --> 00:46:09.405 society where I can literally get a job, sue somebody and live off that. 00:46:09.465 --> 00:46:11.775 That's now my new job is suing people. 00:46:12.175 --> 00:46:17.354 So I feel like you're starting to notice that where that original idea 00:46:17.354 --> 00:46:21.135 came from of, you know, those end costs and so on and so forth, like you said, 00:46:21.205 --> 00:46:26.275 altruistic idea, you don't want the poor not to be able to afford to do justice. 00:46:26.325 --> 00:46:26.705 Right. 00:46:27.135 --> 00:46:29.935 But what we've done is we've attached too much emotion. 00:46:30.290 --> 00:46:32.710 To a lot of these processes, right? 00:46:32.750 --> 00:46:34.760 We've attached too much emotion to politics. 00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:36.720 We've attached too much emotion to most things. 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.880 And it's based on our feelings, not based on logic anymore. 00:46:40.220 --> 00:46:40.520 Right. 00:46:41.090 --> 00:46:44.650 And I feel like that is one of our biggest differentiators. 00:46:45.520 --> 00:46:50.790 I feel like growing up or I'll give a perfect example. 00:46:50.790 --> 00:46:57.590 This is a little bit, uh, off topic, but right now, so. 00:46:58.095 --> 00:47:01.435 Our grandparents, the population was about two and a half billion people 00:47:01.545 --> 00:47:03.685 back in like the forties and fifties. 00:47:03.735 --> 00:47:05.105 Now we're close to 8 billion. 00:47:06.365 --> 00:47:10.834 Um, now because the population, because you would think that the 00:47:10.835 --> 00:47:14.115 competition would be significantly higher to do well in business. 00:47:14.444 --> 00:47:14.764 Right. 00:47:15.335 --> 00:47:18.735 But then also you have now 8 people, 8 billion people, half of which are 00:47:18.735 --> 00:47:22.375 in middle class, maybe one third of which are middle class to sell to. 00:47:22.555 --> 00:47:22.865 Right. 00:47:23.435 --> 00:47:23.785 So. 00:47:24.090 --> 00:47:27.480 In this specific time, you would think it would be more or less even 00:47:27.700 --> 00:47:31.870 on how easy it is to become wealthy or how easy it is to create a business. 00:47:32.570 --> 00:47:37.609 The reality is this is the easiest time it has ever been to become wealthy. 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:41.220 And it's not just because of social media and the fact that you can become famous. 00:47:41.555 --> 00:47:45.195 Basically on your own accord, you don't have to go through whatever it's because 00:47:45.195 --> 00:47:51.365 of the mentality of these people and where, where the majority of the masses 00:47:51.415 --> 00:47:56.454 are not willing to disassociate their emotion are not willing to disassociate, 00:47:56.815 --> 00:48:02.185 um, the things that make them feel upset and just do the work, do the actions, 00:48:02.185 --> 00:48:03.915 do the things to become successful. 00:48:04.145 --> 00:48:06.025 So that's why you're seeing a massive. 00:48:06.430 --> 00:48:11.000 A wealth gap between the, you know, the percenters and everybody else 00:48:11.240 --> 00:48:16.100 is because they're taking a massive proportionate advantage by outworking, 00:48:16.110 --> 00:48:19.090 creating these systems and doing the things other people don't want to do. 00:48:19.970 --> 00:48:24.329 And so I, my general opinion is, is that if we can shift that 00:48:24.339 --> 00:48:27.370 mindset and you're right, there is a shift coming, you can see. 00:48:27.555 --> 00:48:31.765 It, it, it happening, people are starting to get fed up with, you know, like the 00:48:31.765 --> 00:48:36.135 laws in California where I think it's under 50 bucks, you can steal anything 00:48:36.135 --> 00:48:38.475 and you're never going to get charged or whatever it is like all these, 00:48:38.894 --> 00:48:42.845 yeah, it's literally people are walking in and stealing 49 worth of stuff 00:48:42.854 --> 00:48:43.765 and they can't do anything about it. 00:48:44.110 --> 00:48:44.450 Hmm. 00:48:44.570 --> 00:48:48.440 You have major institutions moving out of Calgary or sorry, major 00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:50.450 institutions moving out of California. 00:48:50.450 --> 00:48:54.179 You're seeing that there has never been such a massive shift from 00:48:54.180 --> 00:48:58.429 California to places like Texas and Florida and so on and so forth, because 00:48:58.430 --> 00:49:01.180 this governance is creating right. 00:49:01.250 --> 00:49:04.169 And it's, and remember, we always blame government. 00:49:05.230 --> 00:49:09.560 And we always do, but the reality is it, government is our blame, right? 00:49:09.560 --> 00:49:10.770 We're the ones that voted that in. 00:49:10.780 --> 00:49:11.630 That's the lifestyle. 00:49:11.630 --> 00:49:12.390 That's the society. 00:49:12.390 --> 00:49:13.660 That's what we asked for. 00:49:13.870 --> 00:49:14.230 Right. 00:49:14.629 --> 00:49:18.620 So we got to be very careful what we ask for and what we're going to put on the 00:49:18.620 --> 00:49:21.990 government versus what we're going to have to take responsibility for, for ourselves. 00:49:24.475 --> 00:49:26.925 Travis Bader: So my mind's racing. 00:49:26.925 --> 00:49:30.055 I've got a few different things, perhaps what I'll do is I'll just 00:49:30.065 --> 00:49:33.225 follow up on a few things that you said previously, and you're talking 00:49:33.235 --> 00:49:37.905 about, you know, fear of death and ego, and that's causing indecisions. 00:49:37.944 --> 00:49:39.014 Have you heard this story? 00:49:39.015 --> 00:49:39.964 There is no tiger. 00:49:40.310 --> 00:49:40.630 No. 00:49:40.770 --> 00:49:41.260 Okay. 00:49:41.330 --> 00:49:46.070 Um, guy goes, has a terrible day at work, does a sales thing with 00:49:46.070 --> 00:49:50.740 his boss watch and absolutely dive bombs, crashes, burns, right? 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:53.050 On an out of town trip. 00:49:53.050 --> 00:49:55.659 And anyways, at night he goes down to the bar. 00:49:57.070 --> 00:50:01.220 Empty place, except for the bartender in there and talking with her. 00:50:01.270 --> 00:50:08.460 She's a real tough Polish woman and makes him up a, uh, makes him up a martini. 00:50:08.460 --> 00:50:11.839 And, uh, he looks, he says, you know, this is a time when people 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.069 haven't tattoos, particularly women, it wasn't a common thing. 00:50:15.069 --> 00:50:18.630 And she's got a, it looks like basically a prison tattoo she gave herself. 00:50:18.630 --> 00:50:21.450 And, uh, and, uh, he says, oh, what is that? 00:50:21.450 --> 00:50:22.660 He says, oh, it's this. 00:50:23.040 --> 00:50:26.990 There is no tigers, what we say and where I'm from. 00:50:26.990 --> 00:50:29.720 She says, he says, I don't get it. 00:50:29.720 --> 00:50:32.020 She says, well, you know, back in the day, people were running 00:50:32.020 --> 00:50:35.570 from tigers and getting eaten by bears and falling through ice. 00:50:35.570 --> 00:50:40.169 And death was a very real consequence of day to day living. 00:50:41.149 --> 00:50:43.100 She says, there is no tiger. 00:50:43.180 --> 00:50:44.190 There's no longer a tiger. 00:50:44.190 --> 00:50:45.260 And he's like, you know what? 00:50:46.140 --> 00:50:49.280 Totally applies to me and my situation right now, where I 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.300 was absolutely devastated and everything was falling apart on me. 00:50:52.980 --> 00:50:53.280 Okay. 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.090 I bombed that sucked. 00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:56.230 There is no tiger. 00:50:56.390 --> 00:50:56.700 Right. 00:50:56.700 --> 00:51:00.000 And so, and that's something that, uh, I'll, I'll say to myself 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:01.020 or I'll say to others, right. 00:51:01.020 --> 00:51:03.360 If they're having a bad day or something's going, not the 00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:04.600 way they figured it should be. 00:51:04.750 --> 00:51:05.550 There is no tiger. 00:51:06.810 --> 00:51:08.629 Sean Zubor: And that's awesome perspective. 00:51:08.629 --> 00:51:09.380 I love that story. 00:51:09.600 --> 00:51:13.000 It's, it's funny that you mentioned that. 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:15.770 So, uh, getting into my. 00:51:16.470 --> 00:51:20.800 You know, mid thirties, things are changing, obviously, uh, body wise, 00:51:20.930 --> 00:51:22.330 hormonal wise, all that stuff. 00:51:22.330 --> 00:51:23.410 So I went to go get blood tests. 00:51:23.875 --> 00:51:28.195 And in my blood tests, it showed up that my cortisol levels were pretty high. 00:51:28.195 --> 00:51:30.375 And this is before I kind of got back into the training and 00:51:30.375 --> 00:51:31.445 everything like that as well. 00:51:31.975 --> 00:51:35.874 So the doctor that I have, awesome guy, I go to him. 00:51:35.875 --> 00:51:37.715 I'm like, Hey, so what does this mean? 00:51:37.785 --> 00:51:39.934 He's like, it means simply you're stressed out. 00:51:40.034 --> 00:51:43.395 This cortisol is more or less like the flight or fight 00:51:43.415 --> 00:51:45.175 response chemical for your body. 00:51:45.745 --> 00:51:46.385 And. 00:51:46.520 --> 00:51:49.210 He was giving me this, I did some research on it as well, but he was 00:51:49.210 --> 00:51:53.430 giving me this entire backstory on why this exists and you know, why it 00:51:53.430 --> 00:51:55.050 is brought up and so on and so forth. 00:51:55.060 --> 00:52:01.330 So it was basically when we were getting attacked by those lions, 00:52:01.330 --> 00:52:04.180 tigers, bears, whatever it was in the past, this was a hormone that was 00:52:04.180 --> 00:52:07.400 released to kind of protect us, give us cushioning, do this, all this store 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:08.840 fats, all this other kind of stuff. 00:52:09.535 --> 00:52:15.445 And in certain doses, it's absolutely necessity that we have to have. 00:52:15.515 --> 00:52:15.745 Right. 00:52:16.205 --> 00:52:20.445 But majority of us, it ends up killing us faster than more or less anything else. 00:52:20.484 --> 00:52:22.715 And it's funny being of Hungarian heritage. 00:52:22.715 --> 00:52:25.624 One of the things that they invented was the theory of stress. 00:52:25.885 --> 00:52:29.405 So I figured I was like genetically prone to it, I guess, if we do all 00:52:29.405 --> 00:52:32.095 about, about stress in and of itself. 00:52:32.725 --> 00:52:36.345 And the funny thing is, is I genuinely don't ever really feel stress. 00:52:36.385 --> 00:52:38.945 Like even when I went out to fight, a lot of the guys used to call 00:52:38.955 --> 00:52:41.865 me ice man as a joke, because I just had a very stoic face on it. 00:52:41.965 --> 00:52:45.765 I wasn't, I was not really scared or obviously you have some nerves and 00:52:45.765 --> 00:52:48.905 stuff that would be lying if I wasn't, but I was never really stressed. 00:52:49.155 --> 00:52:53.935 But apparently business life, everything in general plays a subconscious stress 00:52:53.935 --> 00:52:55.605 even on you before you think about it. 00:52:55.615 --> 00:52:55.895 So. 00:52:57.090 --> 00:53:00.870 Understanding, and this is what I've been able to lower my stress 00:53:00.870 --> 00:53:05.270 levels through exercise, food, as well as just mental talk, right? 00:53:05.650 --> 00:53:08.810 Is I did a lot of like transcendental meditation and all these other things, 00:53:08.810 --> 00:53:11.969 and they work, everything works as long as you, you do it, right? 00:53:12.020 --> 00:53:15.449 I do the cold showers and all that kind of stuff now too, but. 00:53:15.810 --> 00:53:21.110 Uh, for myself, it's understanding and being real with your situation. 00:53:21.430 --> 00:53:24.980 And one of the things that I say, um, and one of the things that's 00:53:24.980 --> 00:53:30.440 in, uh, um, stoicism is that understanding that your fate, 00:53:30.470 --> 00:53:32.329 understanding that you will die, right? 00:53:32.550 --> 00:53:33.380 Memento mori. 00:53:33.380 --> 00:53:33.850 Exactly. 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:34.539 Memento mori. 00:53:34.839 --> 00:53:35.640 And so. 00:53:36.040 --> 00:53:39.630 Once you understand that, and you realize, and it's a lot to do with 00:53:39.630 --> 00:53:44.090 this story, that, okay, this is, you start noticing the things you say, 00:53:44.120 --> 00:53:48.080 this is the worst day of my life, oh shit, everything's collapsing, like, I 00:53:48.120 --> 00:53:52.270 can't believe this person did that to me, all these other things, this self 00:53:52.300 --> 00:53:56.100 talk is something that we're all of a sudden spiking our cortisol levels, 00:53:56.120 --> 00:54:00.810 we're spiking this, we are creating more than they've even done to us. 00:54:01.930 --> 00:54:03.880 So it is very rare. 00:54:03.910 --> 00:54:07.060 And obviously you have all kinds of awesome guys, like Seb and so on and 00:54:07.060 --> 00:54:10.840 so forth on here that have had guns pointed at them that are in front lines 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:14.780 that are having to be shot and shot at kind of thing, or shoot at shot at. 00:54:16.329 --> 00:54:20.370 The reality is even those guys, it's few and far between, they're, they're training 00:54:20.370 --> 00:54:22.169 to remove that stress from their lives. 00:54:22.250 --> 00:54:26.830 And to be consistent and in that process, but do regular people, quote unquote, 00:54:26.860 --> 00:54:31.490 do us as business professionals train and learn how to manage that stress 00:54:31.490 --> 00:54:34.960 and how to manage, you know, like the story you were just saying to have a 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.330 realization that everything's going sideways, but I'm still breathing. 00:54:39.310 --> 00:54:39.660 Do you know? 00:54:39.700 --> 00:54:44.560 And I think that is something that once you start managing that, it 00:54:44.560 --> 00:54:47.510 gives you a clearer picture to be able to make decisions down the line. 00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:53.700 Travis Bader: So with the yin and yang of life, the highs and lows, the ups and 00:54:53.700 --> 00:54:59.360 flows that will take place, if things are going really well for you at the moment. 00:54:59.970 --> 00:55:05.070 And they definitely seem to be, um, what do the lows look like? 00:55:05.080 --> 00:55:06.060 And how'd you deal with that? 00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:10.630 Sean Zubor: So as you, I think you mentioned before, I almost went 00:55:10.630 --> 00:55:12.970 bankrupt twice early in my career. 00:55:13.310 --> 00:55:16.280 Um, I've never had real financial backing. 00:55:16.549 --> 00:55:19.370 I can say my dad wants, cause I just have a different mentality. 00:55:19.370 --> 00:55:20.209 He saved me. 00:55:20.210 --> 00:55:23.860 I was, I had a 27, 000 credit card debt when I was like 25 00:55:23.860 --> 00:55:24.910 years old or something like that. 00:55:25.940 --> 00:55:28.280 So I just told my dad, I'm like, listen, I'm going to go into this work. 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:29.170 This is how I'm going to do it. 00:55:29.870 --> 00:55:33.000 Pay off my card, I'm going to pay you back a monthly payment at 6% interest. 00:55:33.850 --> 00:55:37.380 And so next to that though, the entire time it's all been on my own. 00:55:37.420 --> 00:55:40.340 It's every dollar I've spent from the cars I bought, et cetera. 00:55:40.970 --> 00:55:46.230 So there were times where without a doubt, cause I'm, I'm kind of 00:55:46.230 --> 00:55:47.730 like a little bit of a hypomanic. 00:55:48.080 --> 00:55:49.870 So I do have highs and lows. 00:55:50.070 --> 00:55:51.440 I don't need much sleep. 00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:52.810 I, I enjoy work. 00:55:52.820 --> 00:55:56.850 I enjoy being, um, out there and doing things, but. 00:55:58.095 --> 00:56:01.575 I try to keep everything now, even keel. 00:56:01.615 --> 00:56:04.815 And what I mean by that is the highs that I may be experiencing 00:56:04.815 --> 00:56:07.365 right now, or the highs that I may be experiencing in the future. 00:56:07.705 --> 00:56:11.375 I understand that these are just moments in time right now as well, right? 00:56:11.385 --> 00:56:14.435 There is a possibility as we're talking about right now, I'm just in the process 00:56:14.945 --> 00:56:19.434 of basically putting all my cards into one basket or all my eggs into one basket. 00:56:19.774 --> 00:56:23.245 I'm just about to, you know, buy out my, my business partner. 00:56:23.665 --> 00:56:26.265 Um, so it's all in it's, it's, it's. 00:56:26.775 --> 00:56:29.535 You know, most of my wealth or whatever I've accumulated is 00:56:29.545 --> 00:56:31.095 going to be put into this project. 00:56:31.095 --> 00:56:34.235 So I may in two years from now, start working for you. 00:56:36.305 --> 00:56:36.634 You know what I mean? 00:56:36.645 --> 00:56:39.935 It may happen, but the point is, is that. 00:56:40.795 --> 00:56:44.505 I feel like when you're in those lows, having the understanding that 00:56:44.505 --> 00:56:48.595 you can kind of work through this and continue to go and be more in that 00:56:48.595 --> 00:56:52.345 moment of what I need to do today, not worry about where I am today. 00:56:53.014 --> 00:56:56.605 And then at the same time, when you're in those highs, understanding that, you 00:56:56.605 --> 00:56:57.784 know, I shouldn't be out there partying. 00:56:57.785 --> 00:56:58.564 I shouldn't be out there. 00:56:59.544 --> 00:57:01.664 It's not that you can't enjoy your success. 00:57:02.124 --> 00:57:05.155 It's just also understanding that it could be limited and this 00:57:05.285 --> 00:57:07.665 success does not define who you are. 00:57:07.985 --> 00:57:08.845 You are you. 00:57:09.275 --> 00:57:09.575 Right. 00:57:10.005 --> 00:57:14.045 What defines you of, if, if any portion of success that defines 00:57:14.045 --> 00:57:17.305 you, it's the fact that what you did to get to that point, right? 00:57:17.325 --> 00:57:21.175 The work, the daily habits, the things, it's not the car, it's not the money. 00:57:21.175 --> 00:57:22.335 Cause we talked about that before. 00:57:22.604 --> 00:57:27.345 If I go win the lottery tomorrow, are people going to, people aside, am I 00:57:27.365 --> 00:57:29.835 going to respect myself as a millionaire? 00:57:31.595 --> 00:57:32.195 Absolutely not. 00:57:33.020 --> 00:57:34.470 I didn't create that, right? 00:57:34.750 --> 00:57:38.790 So I think that, that is the, the differential point, like the, I've 00:57:38.790 --> 00:57:41.980 had lows within the last couple of years and I'm just like, okay, the, 00:57:42.040 --> 00:57:46.380 the good thing about success, the good thing about doing difficult things 00:57:46.380 --> 00:57:49.950 and overcoming those difficult things, once you've done enough of those. 00:57:50.115 --> 00:57:53.615 You also start getting a pretty good understanding that, Hey, I've 00:57:53.615 --> 00:57:54.965 gone through difficult things. 00:57:55.175 --> 00:57:57.125 These are things that I've overcome. 00:57:57.375 --> 00:58:00.565 These are the things that I'm the most proud of, you know, was 00:58:00.565 --> 00:58:03.855 I proud of fighting in the cage a hundred percent, but it wasn't 00:58:03.855 --> 00:58:05.704 the cage that I was proud of. 00:58:05.735 --> 00:58:07.445 It was all the work leading up to it. 00:58:07.725 --> 00:58:08.075 Right. 00:58:08.465 --> 00:58:09.195 So I feel like. 00:58:09.855 --> 00:58:15.385 I try to purposely put myself through as many difficult things as I possibly can, 00:58:15.785 --> 00:58:19.725 even daily going, you know, I did 20 K run this morning, all this kind of stuff. 00:58:20.594 --> 00:58:24.204 It, it just primes me for like, wow, that is truly difficult. 00:58:24.475 --> 00:58:27.405 You know, going through work in the day to day life, that is not 00:58:27.405 --> 00:58:28.964 difficult as what it could be. 00:58:30.285 --> 00:58:33.875 I think that's kind of my mentality when it comes to the ups and ups and 00:58:33.875 --> 00:58:38.075 downs is just keeping a more even keel and realizing that the things that have 00:58:38.075 --> 00:58:42.035 actually made me happy is the journey, the process, the work along the way, 00:58:42.064 --> 00:58:44.305 not the outcomes or results either way. 00:58:45.174 --> 00:58:45.584 If 00:58:45.594 --> 00:58:48.085 Travis Bader: you make money, you're a motivator and you're chasing the 00:58:48.085 --> 00:58:52.255 money, you're always going to be behind the money, whatever it is that you're 00:58:52.265 --> 00:58:53.525 chasing, you're always going to be behind. 00:58:53.525 --> 00:58:55.945 If happiness is your motivator, I want to be happy. 00:58:56.445 --> 00:59:00.455 It's got an inverse relationship where you'll never be happy because you're 00:59:00.455 --> 00:59:04.365 already presupposing the fact that you're unhappy in the, in the moment. 00:59:04.675 --> 00:59:06.044 So what is success to you? 00:59:07.115 --> 00:59:11.085 Sean Zubor: Well, success is, you know, raising my kids, good family. 00:59:11.215 --> 00:59:13.595 Those are all things that obviously most people want. 00:59:13.684 --> 00:59:15.025 So that's, that's success. 00:59:15.514 --> 00:59:16.045 But I think. 00:59:16.885 --> 00:59:23.035 Being able to enable others for success, um, being able to be a good guide one way 00:59:23.035 --> 00:59:28.545 or another or a, uh, a voice that they can, you know, resonate with, um, these 00:59:28.545 --> 00:59:31.225 things are actually the things that make me probably the happiest right now next 00:59:31.235 --> 00:59:36.585 to obviously my family is the fact that I get some pretty cool Instagram messages 00:59:36.585 --> 00:59:39.425 is like, Hey man, you made me wake up this morning and go do some hard shit. 00:59:39.645 --> 00:59:40.595 That's the kind of stuff. 00:59:40.635 --> 00:59:43.355 And now they feel, you know, incredibly, I've had a couple of 00:59:43.385 --> 00:59:48.355 people that, you know, we're going down that negative path and route. 00:59:48.355 --> 00:59:52.245 And I was able to kind of, they did all the work, but just at least give them 00:59:52.245 --> 00:59:53.925 a little bit of guidance along the way. 00:59:54.315 --> 00:59:56.385 Those are the things that I think are successes. 00:59:56.385 --> 00:59:59.025 How do you, how do you give back to society? 00:59:59.055 --> 01:00:00.015 How do you help? 01:00:00.445 --> 01:00:02.755 Those are the things that actually make you feel good, 01:00:02.875 --> 01:00:03.295 Travis Bader: right? 01:00:03.385 --> 01:00:04.835 Would you say that's an ego driven? 01:00:05.040 --> 01:00:05.700 Perspective? 01:00:06.290 --> 01:00:07.080 Sean Zubor: Partially sure. 01:00:07.130 --> 01:00:08.140 Yeah, of course. 01:00:08.140 --> 01:00:10.940 Like, um, and I don't think ego is a negative thing, right? 01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:11.390 I agree. 01:00:11.470 --> 01:00:14.710 Uh, at the end of the day, we all want to feel good about ourselves. 01:00:14.710 --> 01:00:17.890 And that inherently is some ego perspective in there. 01:00:18.350 --> 01:00:21.130 Um, I do. 01:00:22.180 --> 01:00:23.470 Travis Bader: Well, what's, what's difficult for you? 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:29.730 Because if you run a 20 mile marathon and you do it again, and you do it again, 01:00:29.740 --> 01:00:31.240 and you do it again, after a while. 01:00:32.260 --> 01:00:34.330 You know, you can do 20 miles, right? 01:00:34.330 --> 01:00:39.350 It was like, I jokingly said to, uh, Sean Taylor, ex JTF2 and, uh. 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:39.980 Yeah, great guy. 01:00:40.550 --> 01:00:41.890 Fantastic guy, right? 01:00:42.040 --> 01:00:45.770 And he says, uh, was talking about the 24 hour relays or not 01:00:45.780 --> 01:00:49.820 really 24 hour solos on a mountain bike, you're going for 24 hours. 01:00:50.230 --> 01:00:51.650 I said, why haven't you done a 48? 01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:57.200 I mean, I've never done a 24, obviously it's an accomplishment in its own right. 01:00:57.200 --> 01:00:57.349 Yeah. 01:00:57.350 --> 01:00:57.560 And. 01:00:58.060 --> 01:00:59.710 But I'll be, I'll be a bit of a wise ass. 01:01:00.010 --> 01:01:03.530 How come you haven't done a 48, but there's always that more difficult thing. 01:01:03.670 --> 01:01:05.110 What, what is difficult? 01:01:06.860 --> 01:01:07.530 Sean Zubor: Difficult. 01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:10.810 For me is going to be difficult for somebody else is everything's going 01:01:10.810 --> 01:01:13.710 to be, you know, there's perspective to whatever difficulties, but I'll 01:01:13.710 --> 01:01:14.820 give you an example for myself. 01:01:14.830 --> 01:01:17.920 It's just, I'm trying to just be 1% better than I was yesterday. 01:01:18.330 --> 01:01:22.810 And there's going to be days that I'm 10% worse, but my goal and what 01:01:22.810 --> 01:01:26.970 I'm, my actions and what I'm trying to orient myself is to be 1% better. 01:01:27.580 --> 01:01:28.890 That, that goes, that's what's it. 01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:32.250 And if I can just challenge myself to be 1% better. 01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:33.500 So I'll give you an example. 01:01:33.500 --> 01:01:35.020 I did run that a hundred kilometer ultra. 01:01:35.390 --> 01:01:36.190 I timed out on it. 01:01:36.200 --> 01:01:40.360 So I only, I did 90, 91, 92 kilometers, something like that. 01:01:40.660 --> 01:01:44.800 I've got a 50 kilometer ultra, the 10, 000 foot elevation coming up August. 01:01:45.510 --> 01:01:48.010 I just like doing challenging, difficult things. 01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:52.320 It doesn't necessarily have to be better per se than the last one I did. 01:01:52.720 --> 01:01:56.660 I'm just consistently trying to find growth and find challenge. 01:01:57.530 --> 01:02:02.660 Um, and it's not necessarily, it's not so much of an ego thing that, Hey, 01:02:02.720 --> 01:02:05.860 I can run a hundred miler or I can run a 200 miler because you're right. 01:02:05.860 --> 01:02:07.640 There's always going to be something crazier. 01:02:08.090 --> 01:02:11.080 And I know I'm not going to be a Cameron Haynes. 01:02:11.150 --> 01:02:12.430 That's not really even my goal. 01:02:12.430 --> 01:02:14.670 I'm not going to, I'm not, he runs a marathon every single day. 01:02:14.925 --> 01:02:15.265 You know what I mean? 01:02:15.265 --> 01:02:17.485 Or David Goggins, that's, that's theirs. 01:02:17.495 --> 01:02:20.405 For me, I'm trying to continuously be challenged. 01:02:20.715 --> 01:02:22.925 And so my business, I want it to grow. 01:02:22.965 --> 01:02:24.385 I want to be challenged amongst that. 01:02:24.605 --> 01:02:27.555 I want to be able to help people grow, be challenged amongst that. 01:02:27.805 --> 01:02:31.645 I want to make sure my kids, cause they're going to be their own people soon. 01:02:31.765 --> 01:02:32.145 Right. 01:02:32.395 --> 01:02:34.195 I give a good guide and path there. 01:02:34.395 --> 01:02:36.595 That's kind of what I'm looking for when it comes to difficulty. 01:02:36.885 --> 01:02:37.375 So 01:02:37.405 --> 01:02:40.785 Travis Bader: in that whole concept of difficulty, and I should ask Sean this 01:02:40.785 --> 01:02:42.745 one too, but if I were to be the reporter. 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.240 Talking to Rockefeller, I would ask how much is enough? 01:02:46.390 --> 01:02:46.700 Sean Zubor: Yeah. 01:02:47.420 --> 01:02:47.800 So 01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:54.940 it's a tough question because for me, when it comes to difficulty, it's, it's 01:02:54.940 --> 01:02:58.820 never really going to be enough, you know, it, and that is always 1 more. 01:02:59.180 --> 01:03:03.390 And it's, and it's obviously for me, it's not the financial portion, however. 01:03:03.750 --> 01:03:06.720 It is, I want, this is what makes us feel alive. 01:03:06.780 --> 01:03:11.240 We, the one thing I know, and we've talked about this and is I know I'm going to die. 01:03:11.370 --> 01:03:13.550 There's 0% chance I'm going to live forever. 01:03:13.770 --> 01:03:14.090 Right? 01:03:14.470 --> 01:03:17.880 So why not maximize my time on this planet? 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.660 When I'm 70 years old, I'm probably not going to be running. 01:03:20.680 --> 01:03:22.730 Hopefully I will, but I probably won't be able to run a marathon. 01:03:23.740 --> 01:03:24.870 So why not do that now? 01:03:24.870 --> 01:03:27.810 But when I'm 70 years old, what am I going to be able to do that's 01:03:27.810 --> 01:03:28.770 going to be able to challenge me? 01:03:28.830 --> 01:03:30.580 Maybe it's a crossword puzzle for all I know. 01:03:30.620 --> 01:03:31.520 I don't know, right? 01:03:31.520 --> 01:03:35.750 But I feel like it doesn't necessarily have to be a bar of challenge. 01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:37.900 It just needs to be a challenge consistently. 01:03:38.250 --> 01:03:40.610 And that challenge makes us feel useful. 01:03:41.245 --> 01:03:41.465 Right. 01:03:41.495 --> 01:03:42.655 It makes us feel alive. 01:03:42.665 --> 01:03:46.095 It makes us for, I'm not, I'm not that person that's in bed, 01:03:46.095 --> 01:03:47.675 putting the duvet covers over me. 01:03:47.825 --> 01:03:48.145 Right. 01:03:48.315 --> 01:03:52.525 I'm out there creating, being of use to myself and the world. 01:03:53.745 --> 01:03:58.045 Travis Bader: So you were talking to before about, uh, and specifically back 01:03:58.065 --> 01:04:05.615 to, uh, firearms, hunting, uh, advocacy, people looking for others to pick up 01:04:05.615 --> 01:04:07.425 the torch and walk with it in front. 01:04:07.695 --> 01:04:11.285 What advice would you give to those who are dissatisfied with. 01:04:11.955 --> 01:04:16.345 Let's say the, the local gun clubs and hunting communities, which also 01:04:16.345 --> 01:04:19.745 that same advice would apply to individuals of all walks of life. 01:04:19.795 --> 01:04:23.495 What, what advice would you give to them to start making positive, 01:04:23.735 --> 01:04:26.585 progressive change in an area that where they feel it needs 01:04:26.585 --> 01:04:27.045 Sean Zubor: to be made? 01:04:27.220 --> 01:04:27.480 Yeah. 01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:34.470 So one thing, Jordan Peterson came to Vancouver and so literally I landed, 01:04:35.110 --> 01:04:39.510 I think it was like 5 PM for my flight from India, got off the plane, 01:04:39.620 --> 01:04:42.110 went and took a shower at my buddy's place and went, walked, watched him. 01:04:42.120 --> 01:04:43.650 I was up for 36 hours. 01:04:44.080 --> 01:04:47.270 So while I'm trying not to fall asleep, because one of the things 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:51.230 that came up was obviously that audience was very pro conservative. 01:04:51.230 --> 01:04:53.090 Like how do we get rid of Justin Trudeau kind of thing. 01:04:53.120 --> 01:04:53.150 Right. 01:04:54.305 --> 01:04:58.225 So, and I know this is not directly with the question, but it applies to it. 01:04:58.365 --> 01:05:02.375 So what he said that really stood out is he put every, he asked 01:05:02.395 --> 01:05:06.935 everybody in the audience, he asked, Hey guys, so who here wants Justin 01:05:06.935 --> 01:05:09.605 Trudeau out and the entire audience. 01:05:09.605 --> 01:05:11.575 And I don't know how many thousand people were in that audience, 01:05:11.635 --> 01:05:12.875 but everybody put their hand up. 01:05:13.965 --> 01:05:17.295 His next question was who here is part of the conservative party. 01:05:17.975 --> 01:05:19.045 And then there was maybe like. 01:05:19.110 --> 01:05:21.200 A hundred of us, right? 01:05:21.640 --> 01:05:25.150 Who here has done volunteer work at the conservative party? 01:05:26.030 --> 01:05:28.240 And there was two people out of the thousand people that 01:05:28.240 --> 01:05:29.350 wanted Justin Trudeau out. 01:05:30.810 --> 01:05:32.580 Two people and myself included. 01:05:32.580 --> 01:05:33.820 I was not in those two people. 01:05:33.830 --> 01:05:36.530 So I take full that I have not done the volunteer work. 01:05:36.530 --> 01:05:38.410 I donate, but I have not done the volunteer work. 01:05:38.430 --> 01:05:41.260 The point that he said is like, listen, it starts here. 01:05:41.540 --> 01:05:43.810 The numbers clearly show right. 01:05:44.090 --> 01:05:44.580 That. 01:05:45.095 --> 01:05:48.635 There's just as many people, if not more that believe that he should be out, that 01:05:48.635 --> 01:05:53.215 there should be, uh, um, gun reform in, in a positive way towards us, that there 01:05:53.215 --> 01:05:54.875 should be advocacy on that portion. 01:05:54.875 --> 01:05:57.795 There should be a lot of different things that happen, but how many 01:05:57.795 --> 01:05:59.855 of us are even taking one step. 01:06:00.675 --> 01:06:03.305 And this is part of the program when it comes to being successful, being 01:06:03.305 --> 01:06:07.795 anything it's not, you don't go from making, you know, 50 grand a year 01:06:07.795 --> 01:06:09.105 to making a million dollars a year. 01:06:09.665 --> 01:06:16.085 It's a step by step process, gun advocacy, you know, um, you know, the CCFR, 01:06:16.095 --> 01:06:20.775 all these different types of things, all these different, it, it, there is 01:06:20.775 --> 01:06:26.745 so many opportunities for us just to take one step in the right direction. 01:06:27.795 --> 01:06:30.435 If you're having an issue with your gun club, they're not doing enough. 01:06:30.595 --> 01:06:31.695 Why aren't you at their meeting? 01:06:32.615 --> 01:06:33.975 What are you saying at their meeting? 01:06:34.325 --> 01:06:35.715 What are you doing to help them? 01:06:35.835 --> 01:06:38.645 Maybe they need help doing whatever you want them to do, right? 01:06:39.335 --> 01:06:43.065 Instead of like, we talk about everybody finding the Messiah, 01:06:43.065 --> 01:06:46.245 like I'm going to vote that guy and he'll change everything, right? 01:06:46.675 --> 01:06:48.875 If all of us just did one thing. 01:06:49.465 --> 01:06:49.735 Right. 01:06:49.745 --> 01:06:53.415 How much more powerful could that be ever comparatively to one guy? 01:06:54.145 --> 01:06:54.435 Right. 01:06:54.905 --> 01:06:55.785 And it's the same thing. 01:06:55.785 --> 01:07:02.095 If you see, you know, personally, one of my objectives in this upcoming future is. 01:07:03.525 --> 01:07:06.905 And I don't mean to get, you know, political again or whatever it may be. 01:07:06.905 --> 01:07:10.525 But if you look at what's happening in our schools right now and what has been 01:07:10.525 --> 01:07:15.775 happening for the last 20 years, right, is you have a lot of indoctrination, 01:07:16.345 --> 01:07:19.365 right or wrong, believe in it or don't believe in it, but you have tons of 01:07:19.365 --> 01:07:22.915 indoctrination that's been happening in the last 20, 30 years for certain things. 01:07:23.685 --> 01:07:30.865 I had as a perfect example in grade two or three, I think it was three, I wrote, 01:07:31.035 --> 01:07:33.185 we had to write a piece of literature. 01:07:33.355 --> 01:07:35.695 Basically on our position on something. 01:07:35.795 --> 01:07:36.195 Right. 01:07:36.205 --> 01:07:38.725 So, um, my dad helped me do this. 01:07:38.725 --> 01:07:41.865 I remember this and I created a period of anti gun control. 01:07:43.305 --> 01:07:47.605 So, and basically I just gave my opinion on why gun control doesn't work. 01:07:47.815 --> 01:07:50.395 And I used a lot of different stats and so and so forth in 01:07:50.395 --> 01:07:51.655 it, and it was well written. 01:07:52.485 --> 01:07:57.295 Anyways, long story short, I went into class, right, and presented that. 01:07:57.715 --> 01:08:03.355 And my teacher who was from England originally was completely anti gun, did 01:08:03.355 --> 01:08:05.775 not allow me to present this presentation. 01:08:06.395 --> 01:08:08.225 In fact, I had to take it out. 01:08:08.265 --> 01:08:11.955 I had to now do the, uh, thing on the amalgamation of 01:08:11.975 --> 01:08:13.275 Maple Ridge and pit metals. 01:08:15.885 --> 01:08:17.099 Travis Bader: Grade three, you're like, what? 01:08:17.280 --> 01:08:17.390 What 01:08:19.240 --> 01:08:19.850 Sean Zubor: exactly? 01:08:19.850 --> 01:08:20.110 Right. 01:08:20.570 --> 01:08:24.890 Um, and so, so much so maybe, maybe it was great for anyways, but so much 01:08:24.890 --> 01:08:27.050 so that my dad was absolutely furious. 01:08:27.080 --> 01:08:27.330 Right. 01:08:27.330 --> 01:08:29.910 So my dad sent it to field and stream, and I think he still got a 01:08:29.910 --> 01:08:32.230 copy and they actually printed that in there, which was kind of cool. 01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:33.010 Yeah. 01:08:33.370 --> 01:08:36.140 But what I'm trying to say is this indoctrination of. 01:08:36.935 --> 01:08:41.695 If we look back to like the forties, fifties, sixties, you know, I'm talking 01:08:41.695 --> 01:08:45.435 to some of the older guys at, uh, the older instructors at, you know, 01:08:45.445 --> 01:08:47.255 mission gun club and so on and so forth. 01:08:47.255 --> 01:08:49.425 And they're talking about how they went to high school with a 01:08:49.425 --> 01:08:50.875 shotgun in the back of their truck. 01:08:51.305 --> 01:08:51.885 Do you know what I mean? 01:08:52.165 --> 01:08:53.955 And there weren't school shootings there. 01:08:53.955 --> 01:08:55.185 There weren't all these other things. 01:08:55.725 --> 01:08:56.145 So. 01:08:56.710 --> 01:08:58.800 If you want to make a difference, right? 01:08:58.910 --> 01:09:03.020 We need to start, and I don't want to say indoctrinize, we need to start 01:09:03.020 --> 01:09:07.240 bringing those principals back into the schools, back into the families. 01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:09.400 How many kids are you taking out shooting? 01:09:09.480 --> 01:09:12.110 Both my kids have started shooting when they're like four or five years old. 01:09:12.390 --> 01:09:12.960 Do you know what I mean? 01:09:13.020 --> 01:09:19.820 And creating gun safe practices, creating all these things, it's one step. 01:09:20.320 --> 01:09:24.300 It, it, instead of trying to change the entire country and world 01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:27.220 all at once, what have you done? 01:09:27.475 --> 01:09:30.665 For your immediate sphere, what have you done for your family? 01:09:30.695 --> 01:09:33.175 What have you done for the one step out your close, best friends? 01:09:33.185 --> 01:09:34.685 How many of them have you taken out shooting? 01:09:35.475 --> 01:09:35.755 Right. 01:09:36.155 --> 01:09:40.525 Even, even if they are the same belief as you are, as far as like political 01:09:40.535 --> 01:09:44.865 standing, what are they contributing when it comes to, you know, standing 01:09:44.865 --> 01:09:46.655 against what they believe is wrong. 01:09:46.785 --> 01:09:47.125 Right. 01:09:47.125 --> 01:09:50.955 So I feel like instead of always looking for. 01:09:52.020 --> 01:09:55.470 One vote to change, what are we doing and what can we do different? 01:09:57.090 --> 01:09:58.740 Travis Bader: I think that makes a hell of a lot of sense. 01:09:59.090 --> 01:10:02.930 I think the fear part that we talked about earlier, maybe not so 01:10:02.930 --> 01:10:05.690 much laziness will play into it. 01:10:05.860 --> 01:10:11.010 Like myself, I will re I would rather do things myself than rely on somebody 01:10:11.010 --> 01:10:12.900 else because I know what I'm capable of. 01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:18.260 I know if I fail that I've got one person to blame and not everybody's 01:10:18.260 --> 01:10:23.020 of the same mindset, but I do think that there is a large social. 01:10:23.165 --> 01:10:30.155 Fear that we've seen, and we saw it in the last few years during a pandemic of not 01:10:30.155 --> 01:10:33.695 people, not wanting to stick their heads out and say things that might be contrary 01:10:33.695 --> 01:10:35.885 to whatever the public narrative might be. 01:10:36.565 --> 01:10:42.255 And that fear has been something that's been implemented for a very long time. 01:10:42.265 --> 01:10:45.385 It's sort of an instinctual thing for people to survive. 01:10:45.395 --> 01:10:48.955 They want to belong to their tribe, but when you talk about indoctrination in the 01:10:48.955 --> 01:10:52.754 schools, whether it be from an altruistic standpoint, because people want it. 01:10:53.745 --> 01:10:56.535 But I think inherently people want to be good. 01:10:56.615 --> 01:11:01.705 I'm of that mindset and inherently, um, um, maybe if I went a little deeper, 01:11:01.745 --> 01:11:06.085 they're neither good nor bad, but it's, it's how people will, uh, perceive it. 01:11:06.675 --> 01:11:10.095 But you know, you say, I've got a government system, we voted them 01:11:10.095 --> 01:11:13.235 in, we've got a school system, we voted them in, we've got certain 01:11:13.295 --> 01:11:14.925 ways that we want them to be taught. 01:11:15.465 --> 01:11:17.515 And once those. 01:11:18.060 --> 01:11:19.760 Processes are in place. 01:11:20.440 --> 01:11:25.110 I think that's when the laziness and the fear of wanting to stand out 01:11:25.110 --> 01:11:28.410 kind of kicks in because people are like, ah, the school will teach them. 01:11:29.420 --> 01:11:31.560 Oh, you know, the government will, will take care of, the 01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:32.770 police will take care of them. 01:11:33.080 --> 01:11:36.730 If the police will just come in and give my kid a stern talking to man, 01:11:36.730 --> 01:11:38.940 they'll, they'll start flying right. 01:11:38.950 --> 01:11:39.300 Right. 01:11:39.350 --> 01:11:39.620 Yeah. 01:11:39.700 --> 01:11:43.600 And, and that's where that personal responsibility, and 01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:44.380 there's going to be a fight. 01:11:44.410 --> 01:11:48.280 There's going to be a fight there because those who are now in a position 01:11:48.320 --> 01:11:53.060 of governing, whether that be within the school or policing or whatever 01:11:53.060 --> 01:11:56.190 it might be that represents their livelihood and their jobs, it represents 01:11:56.190 --> 01:11:57.940 a system of others that are in there. 01:11:58.465 --> 01:12:01.265 It's neither good nor bad, but thinking makes it so right. 01:12:01.295 --> 01:12:05.435 But they're going to want to be able to propagate and make sure that 01:12:05.435 --> 01:12:10.165 there's some, uh, continuity to their, what they know in their existence. 01:12:10.535 --> 01:12:14.155 So I think that's where the fear from individuals starts 01:12:14.155 --> 01:12:15.865 coming in and the laziness. 01:12:16.285 --> 01:12:16.585 Sean Zubor: Yeah. 01:12:17.025 --> 01:12:20.435 I think it's just going to become, it's got to more or less 01:12:20.435 --> 01:12:23.005 come to a time and place that. 01:12:23.310 --> 01:12:28.830 You, as an individual are going to have to decide what do you fear more, 01:12:29.350 --> 01:12:36.090 the fear of being publicly humiliated or ostracized because you believe 01:12:36.090 --> 01:12:41.530 what is right is right, or the fear of the consequences for not doing that. 01:12:42.500 --> 01:12:45.430 And that's really the point we are at in the civilization right now. 01:12:45.820 --> 01:12:49.560 You know, it's, and to your point, I, and I don't disagree with this. 01:12:49.590 --> 01:12:53.750 I genuinely think most people have great intentions, even the people that 01:12:53.750 --> 01:12:59.350 I have absolutely, you know, zero in common with or thought politically. 01:12:59.750 --> 01:12:59.780 Right. 01:13:00.670 --> 01:13:04.220 And, you know, um, but they feel they're doing the right thing. 01:13:04.540 --> 01:13:05.530 Of course they are right. 01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:05.770 Right. 01:13:05.770 --> 01:13:11.715 Like, you know, And, and many of them come from a good place of thought, but 01:13:11.925 --> 01:13:15.755 the problem is, is they don't realize what the consequences are, right? 01:13:15.755 --> 01:13:19.315 So, um, I was just watching Tim Kennedy and I reposted this this morning. 01:13:19.315 --> 01:13:23.145 I don't know if you saw this, but he puts four out of 10 Americans, 01:13:23.205 --> 01:13:27.334 42%, I think was the exact number believe socialism is a good thing. 01:13:28.395 --> 01:13:29.965 They've never experienced socialism. 01:13:30.605 --> 01:13:32.075 And he talks about it completely. 01:13:32.115 --> 01:13:35.015 Go talk to somebody that escaped communist Hungary or that 01:13:35.015 --> 01:13:37.095 escaped Russia during communism. 01:13:37.105 --> 01:13:39.255 Go talk to somebody that lived in that. 01:13:39.615 --> 01:13:44.035 Go, go, they can't even make a trip, but I've been to Cuba several times. 01:13:44.365 --> 01:13:45.955 I've never been like, Hey, why don't you? 01:13:46.005 --> 01:13:48.285 And I've never heard once somebody say, you should immigrate here. 01:13:48.285 --> 01:13:48.915 It's awesome. 01:13:50.065 --> 01:13:52.445 Never once people have been fantastic. 01:13:52.485 --> 01:13:56.635 Every single person that I ever spoke to in Cuba wants out. 01:13:57.735 --> 01:14:00.925 And that's one of the longest standing socialist countries in the region, right? 01:14:01.305 --> 01:14:04.465 Look at any of the communist countries that are successful right now, AKA 01:14:04.465 --> 01:14:09.235 China, really they're successful because they're not really communist. 01:14:09.915 --> 01:14:10.305 Do you know what I mean? 01:14:10.305 --> 01:14:13.835 They are, you can't have billionaires in communism and they do, right? 01:14:14.305 --> 01:14:15.665 The point is, and I'm not trying to get. 01:14:15.895 --> 01:14:22.205 Uh, political again, it's the fact is right now society is 01:14:22.245 --> 01:14:25.125 testing waters because they don't know what they're looking for. 01:14:25.185 --> 01:14:27.175 They're looking for an easier way out. 01:14:27.375 --> 01:14:32.315 The rest of us that feel like we're on the, the side of what should be 01:14:32.335 --> 01:14:36.255 or the right side or our opinion is, whatever it may be, unfortunately, 01:14:36.435 --> 01:14:41.175 because a lot of us have created jobs, a lot of us are now entrepreneurs. 01:14:41.205 --> 01:14:45.885 A lot of us are working as police officers are actually out there working. 01:14:47.005 --> 01:14:51.035 We have more to lose by voicing our opinions than those that 01:14:51.045 --> 01:14:52.885 have the same right to vote. 01:14:53.035 --> 01:14:53.375 Right. 01:14:53.525 --> 01:14:57.655 But are on, uh, social subsidies or whatever you want to call it. 01:14:57.775 --> 01:14:58.075 Right. 01:14:58.075 --> 01:15:03.445 So I feel like we really need to come up with, and I don't want 01:15:03.465 --> 01:15:08.425 to tell anybody what to do, but we all have to, as individuals. 01:15:08.780 --> 01:15:14.120 Come up with and think about what is more important to us, the fear 01:15:14.120 --> 01:15:18.400 of, you know, being ostracized or the fear of where we're heading. 01:15:18.450 --> 01:15:19.670 The fear of the consequence. 01:15:19.700 --> 01:15:25.980 Well, and truthfully, like, do you, and do you have a right, and this is something 01:15:25.980 --> 01:15:28.780 we need to ask ourself as well, and I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but do you 01:15:28.790 --> 01:15:32.250 have the right to blame others when you're not willing to do something yourself? 01:15:34.505 --> 01:15:37.185 And so myself personally, I feel like I don't. 01:15:37.615 --> 01:15:37.915 Right. 01:15:38.325 --> 01:15:41.535 So I don't have the right to say, well, this country sucks, but 01:15:41.535 --> 01:15:42.825 I've never given anything to it. 01:15:43.835 --> 01:15:44.075 Right. 01:15:44.115 --> 01:15:47.905 I don't have the right to say, um, you guys are doing it wrong. 01:15:48.105 --> 01:15:51.585 This leader is absolutely horrible, but I've never done anything to provide 01:15:51.605 --> 01:15:53.395 anything otherwise or another option. 01:15:53.925 --> 01:15:54.155 Right. 01:15:54.675 --> 01:15:58.255 So these are the internal questions that I have for myself 01:15:58.285 --> 01:16:00.805 and I hope others do as well. 01:16:01.065 --> 01:16:02.305 Where do you see your role in all of 01:16:02.305 --> 01:16:02.615 Travis Bader: this? 01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:06.370 Sean Zubor: I, I'm just trying to live. 01:16:06.430 --> 01:16:08.480 So I'm trying to lead by example. 01:16:08.700 --> 01:16:09.950 That's my biggest role. 01:16:10.350 --> 01:16:12.010 And trust me, I'm a sinner. 01:16:12.290 --> 01:16:14.420 I started off as a gangster when I was younger. 01:16:14.460 --> 01:16:16.690 I graduated when I was 27 years old. 01:16:16.730 --> 01:16:17.810 I got kicked out of school. 01:16:18.200 --> 01:16:21.530 So by no means, am I some like saint by any means. 01:16:21.530 --> 01:16:24.490 And I definitely don't want to be portrayed that way by any means. 01:16:25.140 --> 01:16:28.910 That being said, I feel like now I've come to a point in my life that 01:16:29.670 --> 01:16:32.440 I have to live by my moral compass. 01:16:32.670 --> 01:16:33.040 Right. 01:16:33.480 --> 01:16:37.200 You know, some of my friends have gone through amazing things that have been, 01:16:37.420 --> 01:16:40.460 you know, police officers have been military veterans have been whatever. 01:16:40.830 --> 01:16:44.850 And these guys have actually sacrificed and given for this country 01:16:44.850 --> 01:16:46.280 and the betterment of society. 01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:47.950 So what can I do in my part? 01:16:47.990 --> 01:16:50.280 Well, I know how to create business. 01:16:50.330 --> 01:16:53.940 I know how to feel good about myself by doing difficult 01:16:53.950 --> 01:16:56.030 things and leading by example. 01:16:56.250 --> 01:16:57.480 So that's the best that I can do. 01:16:57.700 --> 01:17:01.980 And I, and I can go out there and I can spread a message of there's opportunity, 01:17:01.980 --> 01:17:03.410 like there's never been before. 01:17:03.885 --> 01:17:04.215 Right. 01:17:04.585 --> 01:17:06.195 There is an opportunity for you. 01:17:06.215 --> 01:17:09.025 If you truly want to be wealthy, there's an opportunity. 01:17:09.295 --> 01:17:11.935 If you truly want to make change, there's an opportunity, but it 01:17:11.945 --> 01:17:13.265 has to start with you first. 01:17:13.775 --> 01:17:14.075 Right. 01:17:14.425 --> 01:17:18.775 And so for myself, I never ask anybody to do something I'm not willing to do myself. 01:17:19.025 --> 01:17:22.885 And every morning, you know, business related, my specific real estate 01:17:22.885 --> 01:17:25.975 team, because I have the company and the real estate team, there's nobody 01:17:25.975 --> 01:17:28.885 on there, my real estate thing team that thinks they work more than I do. 01:17:29.245 --> 01:17:29.575 Hmm. 01:17:29.635 --> 01:17:30.775 They know they don't right. 01:17:30.815 --> 01:17:32.695 I, I literally take them on runs. 01:17:32.965 --> 01:17:36.085 I take them on stuff and I'm, and I'm not doing this to be like a dictator. 01:17:36.085 --> 01:17:36.615 I'm doing them. 01:17:36.615 --> 01:17:40.665 So they have a transformation and they can feel what it's like 01:17:40.665 --> 01:17:42.205 to feel good about themselves. 01:17:42.475 --> 01:17:42.745 Right. 01:17:43.115 --> 01:17:46.795 And so that's, that's kind of like my role, if any, and it might be a super 01:17:46.795 --> 01:17:50.545 minute, hopefully the message goes across and it's all I can ask for. 01:17:50.805 --> 01:17:51.585 Travis Bader: Who mentored you? 01:17:52.830 --> 01:17:53.560 Cause you mentioned that 01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:53.960 Sean Zubor: earlier. 01:17:53.990 --> 01:17:54.270 Yeah. 01:17:54.270 --> 01:17:56.510 So I've, I'm, I've been really lucky and I've actually been 01:17:56.510 --> 01:17:58.070 mentored by a lot of people. 01:17:58.350 --> 01:18:04.850 Um, so I couldn't give you one specific, but you know, my work ethic, my, my drive, 01:18:04.860 --> 01:18:06.660 a lot of that has come from my parents. 01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:10.630 Like my dad, long haul truck driver worked his ass off his entire life. 01:18:10.670 --> 01:18:10.990 Right. 01:18:11.420 --> 01:18:13.340 Um, even though him and I have a different. 01:18:13.990 --> 01:18:15.130 Philosophy on money. 01:18:15.130 --> 01:18:18.400 His is still very much like penny pinching and saving. 01:18:18.400 --> 01:18:20.320 And, you know, he'll calls me up once in a while and be like, 01:18:20.320 --> 01:18:22.730 son, tuna is 75 cents off. 01:18:22.870 --> 01:18:24.320 You should go grab 20 cats. 01:18:24.830 --> 01:18:26.930 Um, but he's also done well for himself. 01:18:26.930 --> 01:18:27.200 Right. 01:18:27.290 --> 01:18:31.460 Um, but along the way I've been mentored by real estate professionals, by guys 01:18:31.460 --> 01:18:36.910 that are gurus in, in, you know, created millions of dollars in real estate. 01:18:36.940 --> 01:18:39.980 And the funny thing is with those guys, it's very. 01:18:40.630 --> 01:18:43.110 I literally called them up and said, what can I do for you? 01:18:43.140 --> 01:18:44.110 I need to learn from you. 01:18:44.310 --> 01:18:46.850 And I did a bunch of stuff for free for them, help them out, but they're 01:18:46.850 --> 01:18:50.520 always willing to give for people that want to succeed and actually 01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:51.770 do what they tell them to do. 01:18:51.870 --> 01:18:52.180 Right. 01:18:52.900 --> 01:18:56.730 Travis Bader: So if you graduated at 27, would I be going out on a limb to say 01:18:56.730 --> 01:18:59.860 that you didn't always possess, although they may have been in front of you, your 01:18:59.860 --> 01:19:03.940 father's work ethic, your family's work ethic, the rest, you're shown the way, 01:19:03.970 --> 01:19:05.820 but you weren't always implementing that. 01:19:06.120 --> 01:19:06.390 Sean Zubor: Yeah. 01:19:06.390 --> 01:19:08.340 So up until grade eight. 01:19:08.745 --> 01:19:12.215 So in grade eight, I was actually doing grade 10 math and English. 01:19:12.215 --> 01:19:14.195 So I was an accelerated school. 01:19:14.205 --> 01:19:15.185 So I skipped some grades. 01:19:15.905 --> 01:19:19.375 Basically what happened, this is, and I don't blame my parents by any means. 01:19:19.375 --> 01:19:20.665 It's definitely not their fault. 01:19:20.685 --> 01:19:21.965 It's 100% mine. 01:19:22.385 --> 01:19:26.405 But, um, I was going to a school, that school had some very affluent 01:19:26.415 --> 01:19:31.485 people and being 16 years old, it's Thomas Haney in Maple Ridge. 01:19:31.515 --> 01:19:31.835 Okay. 01:19:31.965 --> 01:19:35.525 And so at that time, it was actually 14, 15 when I started there. 01:19:35.575 --> 01:19:38.805 Um, That time it was a self paid school, like university. 01:19:39.225 --> 01:19:42.395 So you just had to do these learning guides and you have to show up 01:19:42.395 --> 01:19:45.345 for seminars the rest of the time, you can go do whatever you want. 01:19:45.355 --> 01:19:46.255 I lived across the street. 01:19:46.255 --> 01:19:51.955 So obviously I was chasing tail and everything else. 01:19:52.275 --> 01:19:56.145 Instead of doing my work and then, uh, you know, at that time, that's when 01:19:56.145 --> 01:19:59.865 testosterone kicks in, you don't, you're trying to find your place in your world. 01:20:00.175 --> 01:20:05.295 Um, I came from an immigrant family, so, you know, my friends were of all kinds 01:20:05.295 --> 01:20:10.185 of different ethnicities and we different cultural things and so on and so forth. 01:20:10.185 --> 01:20:11.995 And I just found myself like, Hey. 01:20:12.340 --> 01:20:14.560 That guy over there has a BMW and he's getting hotter chicks. 01:20:14.580 --> 01:20:16.620 Cause that BMW, what am I going to go do to get a BMW? 01:20:17.140 --> 01:20:17.410 Right. 01:20:17.700 --> 01:20:19.620 And of course I did stupid shit that I shouldn't have 01:20:19.620 --> 01:20:21.590 done to go try to get a BMW. 01:20:21.630 --> 01:20:21.930 Right. 01:20:22.490 --> 01:20:26.350 And so I wish, and this is one of the things that I'm trying to do and kind of 01:20:26.350 --> 01:20:30.120 what I've talked about as I wish there was a mentor in state to be like, Hey 01:20:30.120 --> 01:20:33.420 man, like you can get a thousand BMWs. 01:20:33.470 --> 01:20:36.440 You just have to do this, this, this, and give it a little bit of time. 01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:37.150 Right. 01:20:37.400 --> 01:20:39.470 And implement this and look what I've done. 01:20:39.660 --> 01:20:39.940 Right. 01:20:40.410 --> 01:20:44.120 My dad, and like I said, not to blame my dad, but the mentality of the 01:20:44.120 --> 01:20:48.180 mentors that were around me at that time, even though I had this grandiose 01:20:48.210 --> 01:20:50.560 vision of what I wanted to be, right. 01:20:50.610 --> 01:20:55.169 There were so in Hungary and Europe, they kind of have this. 01:20:55.360 --> 01:20:59.210 Saying, which is like similar to get your head out of the clouds kind 01:20:59.210 --> 01:21:02.340 of thing that we say here, but it's like, basically don't be a cosmonaut 01:21:02.630 --> 01:21:03.760 because you're living in space. 01:21:05.820 --> 01:21:09.580 So, um, and it's not that he didn't encourage me, but you know, I'm 01:21:09.580 --> 01:21:10.590 like, I want to be a millionaire. 01:21:10.590 --> 01:21:11.280 I want to be whatever. 01:21:11.290 --> 01:21:13.989 Even when I got into real estate, he was always worried for me. 01:21:14.230 --> 01:21:16.460 That, you know, it takes you five years to make any money. 01:21:16.460 --> 01:21:18.240 And this is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:21:18.350 --> 01:21:19.940 Now that's obviously gone, thankfully. 01:21:19.940 --> 01:21:22.270 But the point is, is at that time, I'm like, well, I'm not 01:21:22.270 --> 01:21:23.480 going to listen to these guys. 01:21:23.650 --> 01:21:25.220 That guy over there is making a ton of money. 01:21:25.220 --> 01:21:26.220 I'm going to do what he does. 01:21:26.290 --> 01:21:26.680 Right. 01:21:27.460 --> 01:21:31.210 And so I'm blessed and lucky that I never really got into any trouble. 01:21:31.310 --> 01:21:34.350 I have, I had people pass away that were close to me that were 01:21:34.350 --> 01:21:35.700 involved in that kind of stuff. 01:21:36.030 --> 01:21:36.770 And so. 01:21:37.480 --> 01:21:41.440 When I was in my mid twenties, after I got kicked out of school, I came 01:21:41.440 --> 01:21:43.330 back and I'm like, okay, I'm either going to get into real estate cause 01:21:43.330 --> 01:21:46.230 I was selling cars, doing all this other stuff back in the normal path. 01:21:46.240 --> 01:21:47.840 I mean, they're going to get into real estate or I'm going 01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:48.730 to become a firefighter. 01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:52.200 And so both of them needed high school graduation. 01:21:52.370 --> 01:21:57.020 So I had to go back and graduate when I was 27 and then I applied 01:21:57.020 --> 01:21:58.120 for the justice institute. 01:21:58.950 --> 01:22:00.140 With my good buddy Ziggy. 01:22:00.580 --> 01:22:03.520 And, uh, that was a couple months process. 01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:05.020 In the meantime, it was already a realtor. 01:22:05.070 --> 01:22:07.630 And then my first two months, I did six transactions and made 01:22:07.630 --> 01:22:08.710 more money than I've ever made. 01:22:09.030 --> 01:22:11.270 And I'm like, you know what, I think I'm going to go down this path. 01:22:11.310 --> 01:22:12.070 And that's kind of how it all 01:22:12.070 --> 01:22:12.310 Travis Bader: happened. 01:22:12.440 --> 01:22:17.800 So if you can go back and talk to 12, 13, 14 year old, you, what would you say? 01:22:20.115 --> 01:22:21.585 Sean Zubor: And you know what the funny thing is, I wouldn't 01:22:21.585 --> 01:22:23.085 say much, I would show. 01:22:23.465 --> 01:22:28.285 And I think that's really the difference is I think too many times as leaders, we 01:22:28.285 --> 01:22:30.955 talk too much and we don't show enough. 01:22:31.185 --> 01:22:31.495 Right. 01:22:31.735 --> 01:22:34.845 So if you look at the guys that inspire me, the guys that would have inspired me 01:22:34.845 --> 01:22:39.454 back then is guys that inspire me right now are like guys like Galkins, Jocko, 01:22:39.455 --> 01:22:43.585 you know, like, uh, Cameron Haynes, what, what inspires us about those guys? 01:22:43.665 --> 01:22:45.175 They're out there on video doing it. 01:22:45.695 --> 01:22:46.005 Right. 01:22:46.525 --> 01:22:47.265 And so. 01:22:47.765 --> 01:22:49.885 If I could do anything, I would go to these guys and be 01:22:49.885 --> 01:22:51.345 like, look what I have done. 01:22:51.565 --> 01:22:52.805 This is how I've done it. 01:22:52.975 --> 01:22:58.465 And I can show you how, and I think having actual, because the 01:22:58.465 --> 01:23:01.935 problem, number one priority or issue with school systems in general. 01:23:02.335 --> 01:23:02.475 Okay. 01:23:02.475 --> 01:23:05.435 And I, and I'm not, I'm not here to beat down schools by any means, 01:23:05.815 --> 01:23:09.345 because they're essential part of our, our learning and society. 01:23:09.690 --> 01:23:10.710 In certain parts, right? 01:23:13.380 --> 01:23:14.160 Travis Bader: We can talk about that one. 01:23:14.360 --> 01:23:15.020 Sean Zubor: I agree. 01:23:15.250 --> 01:23:20.320 But the point is, is that you are being taught by somebody, 01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:21.680 I'll give you an example. 01:23:21.690 --> 01:23:21.930 Okay. 01:23:22.610 --> 01:23:24.140 You go to Harvard, right? 01:23:24.280 --> 01:23:27.040 You pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a university degree. 01:23:27.420 --> 01:23:28.980 And let's just say you're going to get your MBA. 01:23:29.480 --> 01:23:31.620 The top professors are making 500 grand a year. 01:23:31.910 --> 01:23:32.180 Right. 01:23:32.590 --> 01:23:35.430 I have agents in my brokerage making 2 million a year. 01:23:36.565 --> 01:23:39.365 So why would I learn from somebody? 01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.060 That has never done what I want to do. 01:23:42.650 --> 01:23:47.470 And that's the, one of the major issues with our schools is we're being told, 01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:49.950 not shown, told, this is what you do. 01:23:49.990 --> 01:23:50.910 This is how you do it. 01:23:51.320 --> 01:23:55.310 And we're being basically taught how to memorize more or less and work at 01:23:55.310 --> 01:23:58.190 a certain thing and work for somebody, not work with somebody we're not 01:23:58.190 --> 01:24:00.170 talked, taught about basic finance. 01:24:00.170 --> 01:24:02.290 We're not talking about any kind of life skills anymore. 01:24:02.290 --> 01:24:03.780 We're not taught about any of those things. 01:24:05.040 --> 01:24:09.520 What ends up being is, is there's very few students that look up to their teachers. 01:24:10.330 --> 01:24:11.880 Very few these days, right? 01:24:11.930 --> 01:24:14.320 And the fact is, is because none of them want to be like that person. 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:15.650 Who do they want to be like? 01:24:16.020 --> 01:24:18.340 And so now they're following their social media influencers. 01:24:18.340 --> 01:24:20.440 They're following all these other guys that are driving Lamborghinis 01:24:20.440 --> 01:24:23.120 that are doing all these other things, which I'd rather have them do that 01:24:23.140 --> 01:24:24.730 than follow drug dealers, right? 01:24:25.050 --> 01:24:28.510 But the point is, is who these guys are imitating or who these kids are 01:24:28.530 --> 01:24:30.390 imitating is incredibly important. 01:24:30.710 --> 01:24:33.290 And unfortunately those schools don't provide any of that. 01:24:34.620 --> 01:24:34.730 That's 01:24:34.730 --> 01:24:35.310 Travis Bader: a good point. 01:24:36.150 --> 01:24:37.820 Who wants to be like their high school teacher? 01:24:38.380 --> 01:24:39.180 I don't know anyone that. 01:24:40.315 --> 01:24:42.815 There's some, and there's some great high school teachers out there. 01:24:42.815 --> 01:24:44.575 There are some fantastic teachers. 01:24:45.515 --> 01:24:50.825 The whole system of education that we currently have, I think is, is in 01:24:50.825 --> 01:24:55.955 need of a massive overhaul, um, served a purpose in its way and its time, 01:24:55.955 --> 01:24:59.285 and it still has some good purpose, but, uh, I'm not here to disparage 01:24:59.285 --> 01:25:01.205 the school system, but I come from a. 01:25:01.820 --> 01:25:05.230 Uh, background was five different high schools that I went to. 01:25:05.230 --> 01:25:05.510 Yeah. 01:25:06.350 --> 01:25:07.260 Sean Zubor: So, you know. 01:25:07.610 --> 01:25:11.010 Well, and the thing is, is like, I can think of two teachers, 01:25:11.140 --> 01:25:13.420 maybe three while I was in school. 01:25:14.200 --> 01:25:15.170 One of them was Mr. 01:25:15.170 --> 01:25:18.810 Bugler and this guy, if anybody went to me for a secondary, 01:25:18.810 --> 01:25:19.750 they would know who he is. 01:25:20.250 --> 01:25:24.580 Um, and I think he passed away a while ago, but he, um, dressed in a cape. 01:25:25.045 --> 01:25:29.745 And was extremely eccentric, extremely like as like a chalkboard 01:25:29.755 --> 01:25:34.385 professor, a cape, a cape, like a full on, like university gown, 01:25:34.425 --> 01:25:36.265 cape, whatever it is in high school. 01:25:37.465 --> 01:25:41.055 And he was teaching, and this was, I think I had him for grade eight, if I remember 01:25:41.065 --> 01:25:42.905 before I switched to the self pay school. 01:25:43.345 --> 01:25:46.185 And so he was teaching a class for gifted students or whatever. 01:25:46.185 --> 01:25:47.305 So people that were accelerated. 01:25:47.365 --> 01:25:48.565 So you're just calling yourself gifted. 01:25:48.565 --> 01:25:48.845 Got it. 01:25:48.905 --> 01:25:52.035 Well, I don't, it could have been special gifted for all I know. 01:25:52.035 --> 01:25:53.525 That's just what they called it anyways. 01:25:54.025 --> 01:25:59.715 But, um, so, but what he continuously did was challenge me and what he 01:25:59.715 --> 01:26:04.765 proved, right, was my ignorance in history, my ignorance in so many things. 01:26:04.795 --> 01:26:09.095 And he, he proved that I should be questioning everything and 01:26:09.145 --> 01:26:12.945 understanding why I'm questioning and why these answers are what they are. 01:26:13.095 --> 01:26:15.705 So there's a lot of things I took from, and him and I had screaming 01:26:15.705 --> 01:26:16.645 matches, just to be clear. 01:26:16.940 --> 01:26:22.060 Like it was not that he was like some, huh, figure, figure to me, like we had 01:26:22.070 --> 01:26:23.960 butted heads just as much as we agreed. 01:26:24.350 --> 01:26:26.100 However, he was challenged. 01:26:26.100 --> 01:26:28.370 He pushed and he was a great teacher. 01:26:28.540 --> 01:26:29.900 My other teacher, Mr. 01:26:29.900 --> 01:26:34.440 B actually just communicated with on Facebook just recently after not talking 01:26:34.440 --> 01:26:35.860 to him since elementary school, basically. 01:26:36.380 --> 01:26:39.010 I remember him vividly because, and obviously this would probably 01:26:39.010 --> 01:26:41.010 never happen these days is. 01:26:41.075 --> 01:26:42.155 Pulling outside my elementary. 01:26:42.155 --> 01:26:44.425 He knew I was hunting because I started hunting, I got finished 01:26:44.425 --> 01:26:45.415 my core test when I was 10. 01:26:45.435 --> 01:26:50.615 So I was out there right at the hop and I was, he knew it was big into hunting. 01:26:50.635 --> 01:26:55.135 So when he came home, it was Monday and he just came home from a hunt, went straight 01:26:55.135 --> 01:26:57.935 from the hunt to, to school to teach. 01:26:58.275 --> 01:27:00.115 So he's like, come check out what's in the back of my truck. 01:27:00.145 --> 01:27:02.055 I went there and he's got his camper and sure enough, there's 01:27:02.055 --> 01:27:03.085 a three point buck in the back. 01:27:04.925 --> 01:27:08.755 So I remember that vividly talking about hunting and fishing and all those things. 01:27:08.755 --> 01:27:09.425 And these are memories. 01:27:09.435 --> 01:27:10.885 So that's somebody that I would. 01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:11.890 Look up to more or 01:27:11.890 --> 01:27:12.210 Travis Bader: less. 01:27:12.510 --> 01:27:16.960 You don't usually hear stories of teachers taking kids to the back of their truck. 01:27:18.830 --> 01:27:19.070 Yeah, 01:27:19.070 --> 01:27:20.360 Sean Zubor: exactly, exactly. 01:27:21.210 --> 01:27:23.220 But, um, so yeah, I mean, now. 01:27:23.570 --> 01:27:27.600 Our schools, you know, to go down that path, our schools are, we're 01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:34.210 more, once again, focused on people's feelings versus the actual things that 01:27:34.210 --> 01:27:36.560 need to be done and taught, right? 01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:40.700 Like even with all this, I was just told a couple of days ago, and I don't 01:27:40.700 --> 01:27:43.460 know if it's rumor or not, so I don't want to spread whatever, but I've heard 01:27:43.460 --> 01:27:47.810 it multiple times now that they have like, um, in washrooms, they have, 01:27:47.870 --> 01:27:50.680 um, like what you have for your cat. 01:27:51.025 --> 01:27:52.845 Because people are dressing up as furries. 01:27:52.965 --> 01:27:56.925 So, yeah, now they're squatting, they're squatting in boxes. 01:27:57.835 --> 01:28:04.685 So, um, my mind is, I don't want to say it because I'm not going to confirm 01:28:04.685 --> 01:28:07.605 it, but I've been told multiple times from the high school that I went to. 01:28:08.175 --> 01:28:12.345 And so for myself, I'm, I'm thinking, I'm like, okay, listen, I want all kids to 01:28:12.345 --> 01:28:14.325 feel inclusive, like, don't get me wrong. 01:28:14.375 --> 01:28:18.265 But the reality is why are we focusing so much on this stuff when. 01:28:18.740 --> 01:28:22.200 And this is one thing that absolutely pissed me off, to be very blunt. 01:28:22.930 --> 01:28:29.900 I go into my kid's school, and every single, every single, and this is 01:28:29.900 --> 01:28:31.150 an elementary school, and I'm in... 01:28:32.415 --> 01:28:35.185 You know, the back end of Maple Ridge, right? 01:28:35.185 --> 01:28:38.615 So it's more redneck y, if you would call that, right? 01:28:38.635 --> 01:28:39.625 By all means. 01:28:40.075 --> 01:28:44.495 And every single school door has a rainbow on it. 01:28:44.525 --> 01:28:48.325 Every single school door has a rainbow flag. 01:28:48.725 --> 01:28:52.515 And so, to be very clear, Like if, if whatever your sexual 01:28:52.515 --> 01:28:54.805 preference is, I care less. 01:28:54.875 --> 01:28:57.755 Like you do you, if you're an adult, I want you to be happy. 01:28:57.935 --> 01:28:58.235 Right. 01:28:59.045 --> 01:29:01.775 However, the one thing that stood out to me is there was not one 01:29:01.775 --> 01:29:06.205 provincial flag, not one Canadian flag, not one thing was taught. 01:29:06.305 --> 01:29:11.655 My kid who is now eight years old has been taught all of these things. 01:29:12.015 --> 01:29:14.615 I took a globe and asked him where Russia was. 01:29:15.695 --> 01:29:18.395 He could not point out the largest country on the planet. 01:29:19.425 --> 01:29:24.975 So it's not the fact that what we're teaching our kids, I agree or disagree 01:29:24.975 --> 01:29:28.185 with, which a lot of it, I obviously disagree with, but it's the fact 01:29:28.185 --> 01:29:30.485 that we have no priorities, right? 01:29:30.695 --> 01:29:33.575 If our kid can't even point out the biggest country on the 01:29:33.575 --> 01:29:38.175 planet, but he knows you can be 72 genders, don't you think we have a 01:29:38.175 --> 01:29:39.805 little bit of a priority issue on 01:29:39.805 --> 01:29:40.495 Travis Bader: this planet? 01:29:40.995 --> 01:29:46.615 You know, the issue with inclusivity and hyper inclusivity. 01:29:47.990 --> 01:29:54.080 The natural outcome of that is exclusivity because you can't think outside of that. 01:29:54.090 --> 01:29:59.740 And it's, it's a very, you know, you take that to its natural progression and 01:29:59.740 --> 01:30:03.720 perhaps it's something that should maybe not be emphasized in school in the way 01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:07.930 that it currently is, because you will end up excluding other opinions that 01:30:07.930 --> 01:30:10.110 are contrary to what, what the norm is. 01:30:11.710 --> 01:30:15.810 In a way that they're trying to combat in, in the get go. 01:30:15.850 --> 01:30:21.700 So well intentioned, good way to go for it, but it does create an 01:30:21.700 --> 01:30:26.580 exclusive environment where if you do not subscribe to this way of 01:30:26.580 --> 01:30:28.930 thinking, you are now out and maybe. 01:30:28.990 --> 01:30:29.640 Take it to 01:30:29.650 --> 01:30:30.440 Sean Zubor: whatever you are. 01:30:30.540 --> 01:30:30.740 Yeah. 01:30:30.740 --> 01:30:31.020 Right. 01:30:31.070 --> 01:30:33.030 Travis Bader: And it's, and that that's changing. 01:30:33.030 --> 01:30:33.770 I do see. 01:30:34.625 --> 01:30:39.325 Sean Zubor: It, well, it's just gone so crazy that it's, like you 01:30:39.325 --> 01:30:40.735 said, it's gone a full circle. 01:30:40.815 --> 01:30:42.995 We are invoking racism now. 01:30:43.165 --> 01:30:48.195 It's like it, it, it there's a, there is a teacher, a principal, I believe 01:30:48.415 --> 01:30:50.745 that got expelled, that got kicked out. 01:30:51.025 --> 01:30:52.845 I don't want to tell you what state cause I can't remember, 01:30:52.845 --> 01:30:55.115 but this is just recently within this year, you can Google it. 01:30:55.845 --> 01:31:00.175 And basically what she did was, is she separated. 01:31:00.620 --> 01:31:01.680 Blacks and whites. 01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:03.890 This old experiment. 01:31:04.110 --> 01:31:04.580 Separate. 01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:09.020 No, she separated it and basically created an apartheid because 01:31:09.020 --> 01:31:13.230 she felt that black youth should hang out with more black youth. 01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:15.140 Travis Bader: Interesting. 01:31:15.150 --> 01:31:17.940 So it's not like the teacher that separated the blue eyes and the brown eyes 01:31:17.940 --> 01:31:21.940 or the brown hairs and blonde hairs and, and created that whole social dynamic. 01:31:21.980 --> 01:31:24.330 They, she's saying birds of a feather should flock 01:31:24.330 --> 01:31:25.840 together and, and she's trying 01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:25.950 Sean Zubor: to. 01:31:25.970 --> 01:31:27.030 And she was black. 01:31:27.240 --> 01:31:27.680 Gotcha. 01:31:27.730 --> 01:31:30.950 And she's saying, she's like, listen, like, um, black should 01:31:30.950 --> 01:31:34.050 experience more black culture with black people and so on and so forth 01:31:34.300 --> 01:31:36.610 and ended up creating an apartheid. 01:31:36.630 --> 01:31:37.770 In her own school. 01:31:38.360 --> 01:31:39.890 And so one of the. 01:31:39.940 --> 01:31:40.320 Whoops. 01:31:42.610 --> 01:31:45.380 But, and this is the whole point of what I'm trying to say is this, and 01:31:45.380 --> 01:31:49.100 what you're, what you're saying is this, this inclusivity, all of a sudden we're 01:31:49.100 --> 01:31:53.980 like, we're back to 1940 and Rosa, Rosa Parks would be like, you know, rolling 01:31:53.980 --> 01:31:57.430 in her grave right now, seeing that we are doing this to ourselves again. 01:31:57.680 --> 01:31:58.350 Well, the plot's been 01:31:58.350 --> 01:31:59.360 Travis Bader: lost at that point. 01:32:00.260 --> 01:32:00.820 Sean Zubor: It's crazy. 01:32:00.900 --> 01:32:01.420 It's crazy. 01:32:01.610 --> 01:32:02.100 And it's just. 01:32:03.105 --> 01:32:08.095 I think this once again comes down to the part that is there racism in the world? 01:32:08.185 --> 01:32:09.695 100% it will never go away. 01:32:09.905 --> 01:32:12.905 Is there, you know, sexism are there all these isms? 01:32:13.015 --> 01:32:13.665 Yes. 01:32:13.975 --> 01:32:14.255 Right. 01:32:14.575 --> 01:32:19.800 But in general, We are 1000% better than we have ever been. 01:32:20.210 --> 01:32:24.580 And so now we are searching for things that will make us 01:32:24.590 --> 01:32:26.380 like, I got a hard time too. 01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:30.350 You know, like I'm a ZZ, ZZ, ZZ, whatever, don't you know? 01:32:30.830 --> 01:32:31.120 Right. 01:32:31.410 --> 01:32:33.070 Instead of, because I have nothing else. 01:32:33.180 --> 01:32:35.190 I have food, I have a shelter. 01:32:35.370 --> 01:32:37.750 I have, you know, I get to go to work. 01:32:37.770 --> 01:32:38.830 I can go to university. 01:32:38.990 --> 01:32:41.080 I get, I can get free drugs. 01:32:41.110 --> 01:32:42.630 If I go down to East Hastings. 01:32:43.555 --> 01:32:43.745 Right. 01:32:43.895 --> 01:32:46.525 So much so that they're giving out free drugs and they're 01:32:46.535 --> 01:32:48.045 trading it in for fentanyl. 01:32:48.165 --> 01:32:48.815 My wife's a nurse. 01:32:48.815 --> 01:32:51.845 These people are still ODing from fentanyl because they're taking 01:32:51.845 --> 01:32:54.335 the clean drugs that they're getting from the government, right. 01:32:54.865 --> 01:32:56.235 And trading it for street fentanyl. 01:32:57.425 --> 01:33:00.165 So it's just come to this point that we. 01:33:00.165 --> 01:33:01.515 You're not talking about kids here, are you? 01:33:01.565 --> 01:33:01.825 Kids. 01:33:01.835 --> 01:33:02.675 I'm not talking about kids. 01:33:02.805 --> 01:33:06.265 No, but the whole point is, is that right now, these days. 01:33:06.930 --> 01:33:11.200 Life is so good that we need to find some excuse that and hardship 01:33:11.200 --> 01:33:14.670 that our generation's going through something we're having issues. 01:33:14.670 --> 01:33:15.250 Look at me. 01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:20.150 And instead of focusing on how do we better society, how, you know, 01:33:20.160 --> 01:33:22.930 one of the things growing up is, and I remember these ads, like, what 01:33:22.930 --> 01:33:25.180 can you do for your country, right? 01:33:25.540 --> 01:33:30.150 How many of our youth, how many of, you know, even my generation and 01:33:30.160 --> 01:33:33.570 old, how many of us are thinking, what can we do for our country? 01:33:34.150 --> 01:33:36.550 Versus what can our country do for us? 01:33:37.860 --> 01:33:40.980 And I think, you know, when you ask, what can we do to change things? 01:33:40.980 --> 01:33:46.070 What can we do to, you know, help, um, you know, our cause when it comes to, 01:33:46.390 --> 01:33:50.850 um, firearms and all these other things, it's like, what the fuck are you doing? 01:33:52.650 --> 01:33:54.070 You know, what are you doing? 01:33:54.500 --> 01:33:58.750 And that's the first question we should always be asking ourselves, because back 01:33:58.750 --> 01:34:02.150 to this whole stoic philosophy, what is the only thing we have control over? 01:34:03.085 --> 01:34:03.625 It's what we do. 01:34:03.655 --> 01:34:08.485 I can't, I can't force you to do anything, but if I want you to do 01:34:08.485 --> 01:34:12.105 something, I can tell you the best way to do it is watch me do this. 01:34:13.235 --> 01:34:15.565 Travis Bader: So if the first question is, what are you doing? 01:34:15.625 --> 01:34:16.785 What would the second question be? 01:34:18.245 --> 01:34:19.765 Well, what effect is that having? 01:34:20.575 --> 01:34:23.755 Because I think there's a lot of people out there that will do things that 01:34:23.755 --> 01:34:26.765 have minimal effect, but they look at, look at all the things I'm doing. 01:34:26.895 --> 01:34:27.175 Yeah. 01:34:27.225 --> 01:34:28.405 Look at how fast I'm running. 01:34:28.455 --> 01:34:29.145 My arms are going 01:34:29.145 --> 01:34:29.845 Sean Zubor: so fast. 01:34:30.725 --> 01:34:33.545 And, and so like business, right. 01:34:33.625 --> 01:34:36.555 I have a philosophy on how I kind of do things. 01:34:36.565 --> 01:34:37.955 So I plan. 01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:43.410 So I, in my life and in business, I kind of have a CEO hat, and 01:34:43.410 --> 01:34:46.640 then I kind of have a worker hat for lack of a better word, right? 01:34:46.660 --> 01:34:48.270 Or realtor hat or whatever it may be. 01:34:48.610 --> 01:34:50.740 So my CEO hat, I'm planning. 01:34:50.860 --> 01:34:52.200 These are the things I'm going to do. 01:34:52.250 --> 01:34:53.800 This is how I'm going to execute it. 01:34:54.040 --> 01:34:55.040 This is what I'm going to do. 01:34:55.390 --> 01:34:58.720 And that could be for a week, month, quarter, year, whatever it may be. 01:34:59.270 --> 01:34:59.620 Excuse me. 01:35:00.230 --> 01:35:04.410 Um, and then I go into worker and I just execute. 01:35:04.965 --> 01:35:08.185 I, I, I no longer, like, if you look at my schedule, it's completely booked 01:35:08.185 --> 01:35:09.795 out sometimes in 30 minute increments. 01:35:09.835 --> 01:35:11.835 I'm not, I don't plan what I do today. 01:35:12.555 --> 01:35:14.545 I've already planned what I'm doing, so I'm not thinking 01:35:14.545 --> 01:35:15.825 about what I should change. 01:35:15.825 --> 01:35:17.415 What I'm just executing, right? 01:35:17.415 --> 01:35:18.135 So it's the same thing. 01:35:18.145 --> 01:35:23.325 Like I'm planning to help my gun range build an association. 01:35:23.550 --> 01:35:23.870 Okay. 01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:26.380 This is how I'm going to plan the rest of the time I'm going to execute. 01:35:26.460 --> 01:35:29.810 Now, while I'm executing, I track relentlessly. 01:35:30.530 --> 01:35:34.000 So what that means is when it comes to business, I know what my expenditure 01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:38.550 is, what's coming in, how many in real estate related, how many calls does 01:35:38.550 --> 01:35:40.300 it take to convert an appointment? 01:35:40.310 --> 01:35:42.630 How many appointments does it take to convert a sale? 01:35:43.030 --> 01:35:46.020 And I, now I'm, now I can look and track all of those things. 01:35:46.470 --> 01:35:48.370 Now, most people, what they do wrong. 01:35:49.120 --> 01:35:53.300 It's the day two of calling, let's just say there, they've been cold 01:35:53.300 --> 01:35:56.150 calling strangers and they've got nothing but a bunch of hangups 01:35:56.150 --> 01:35:58.030 and FDs and so on and so forth. 01:35:58.030 --> 01:35:58.360 Right. 01:35:58.730 --> 01:36:01.470 And they're like this script, this thing doesn't work and they give up. 01:36:01.730 --> 01:36:02.240 Right. 01:36:02.710 --> 01:36:05.640 But really you don't have enough data to know if it does or doesn't work. 01:36:05.820 --> 01:36:09.660 So I track, keep that data at the end of the week or week two or month, a 01:36:09.660 --> 01:36:11.720 quarter, whatever that that timetable is. 01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:12.990 I review that data. 01:36:13.540 --> 01:36:16.560 And so to your question, like a lot of people are running with their arms, but. 01:36:17.245 --> 01:36:21.755 I've had this question asked more than any other question in real estate ever. 01:36:22.185 --> 01:36:24.085 When an agent comes to me, they always come to me, Sean, 01:36:24.345 --> 01:36:25.345 I did 10 deals this year. 01:36:25.345 --> 01:36:26.605 I want to do 20 next year. 01:36:27.245 --> 01:36:27.465 Right. 01:36:27.505 --> 01:36:29.725 And everybody at my brokerage is going to laugh if they hear this. 01:36:29.725 --> 01:36:32.225 Cause it's Herbie said a million times, 10 deals. 01:36:32.225 --> 01:36:33.065 I'm going to do 20 next year. 01:36:33.075 --> 01:36:34.175 I'm like, okay, fantastic. 01:36:34.175 --> 01:36:35.245 How are you going to do that? 01:36:35.525 --> 01:36:37.515 The most common thing I hear is I'm going to work harder. 01:36:38.750 --> 01:36:40.710 Well, you're probably going to have to, but that's great. 01:36:40.740 --> 01:36:41.110 Right. 01:36:41.530 --> 01:36:43.360 So let me ask you a question. 01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:43.960 Okay. 01:36:44.900 --> 01:36:50.790 If you were Elon Musk in front of your million shareholders and you said, 01:36:50.790 --> 01:36:53.840 Hey guys, next quarter, we're going to do an extra billion dollars in sales. 01:36:54.070 --> 01:36:54.400 Right. 01:36:54.730 --> 01:36:55.940 And they said, Oh, that's awesome. 01:36:55.940 --> 01:36:56.200 Elon. 01:36:56.230 --> 01:36:57.150 How are you going to do that? 01:36:57.735 --> 01:36:59.675 And you said, I'm going to work harder. 01:36:59.795 --> 01:37:00.435 They'd all laugh. 01:37:01.905 --> 01:37:04.135 And your stock would probably, well, maybe you'll, it would go up, 01:37:04.145 --> 01:37:06.425 but everybody else would go down. 01:37:06.505 --> 01:37:06.925 Right. 01:37:07.285 --> 01:37:10.565 So instead I always tell them, it's like, listen, first of all, what is harder? 01:37:10.835 --> 01:37:14.265 Your perspective on harder versus my perspective might be two different things. 01:37:14.495 --> 01:37:16.295 I might think hard is 500 calls a day. 01:37:16.295 --> 01:37:17.585 You might think five is hard. 01:37:17.765 --> 01:37:18.045 Right? 01:37:18.415 --> 01:37:24.515 So everything I do is I plan, track, or execute, track while I'm doing that, and 01:37:24.515 --> 01:37:28.425 then reevaluate at a certain point in time that I've planned to, to see what 01:37:28.425 --> 01:37:33.115 is working, what can be done better, and how can I reevaluate that to plan again, 01:37:33.455 --> 01:37:35.135 execute, track, and do it all over. 01:37:35.575 --> 01:37:39.145 And that's kind of been my methodology for business since day one is 01:37:39.455 --> 01:37:40.995 if I don't know what I'm doing. 01:37:41.335 --> 01:37:41.795 Right. 01:37:41.845 --> 01:37:44.345 And I don't know what the consistency is and how it is. 01:37:44.345 --> 01:37:45.445 And what are the numbers in front of me? 01:37:45.445 --> 01:37:46.845 How do I know what to better change? 01:37:46.975 --> 01:37:47.405 Totally. 01:37:47.665 --> 01:37:50.035 And that's kind of, unfortunately, what you're talking about is a lot of 01:37:50.035 --> 01:37:51.725 these people are super busy, right? 01:37:51.965 --> 01:37:54.185 Have you tracked what you're actually doing, right? 01:37:54.215 --> 01:37:56.085 What was your end goal in that? 01:37:56.145 --> 01:37:59.395 What was your purpose for doing that right now? 01:37:59.465 --> 01:38:03.385 I'd rather have somebody busy arm out there doing something rather than nothing. 01:38:03.655 --> 01:38:03.935 Right. 01:38:04.005 --> 01:38:06.555 Cause I feel like that's most people in cases. 01:38:06.695 --> 01:38:07.015 Right. 01:38:07.455 --> 01:38:09.415 But I feel like there's a way to do it. 01:38:09.415 --> 01:38:12.225 That's obviously going to yield a better result. 01:38:13.425 --> 01:38:13.955 Travis Bader: I love that. 01:38:15.415 --> 01:38:15.665 Yeah. 01:38:15.705 --> 01:38:17.655 That gives a lot of takeaway for people who are listening. 01:38:18.365 --> 01:38:23.625 Sean Zubor: Well, it, I think understanding and knowing that 01:38:23.625 --> 01:38:25.915 you have the ability to do this. 01:38:26.295 --> 01:38:26.755 Massive. 01:38:27.195 --> 01:38:27.835 It's huge. 01:38:28.495 --> 01:38:29.005 It's huge. 01:38:29.305 --> 01:38:30.895 And don't underestimate. 01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:34.930 The power of your voice and the things that you do. 01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:39.340 And I know this kind of sounds preachy or whatever it is, but it is the truth. 01:38:39.400 --> 01:38:44.000 Like entire, the reason that we don't have slavery in North America is 01:38:44.020 --> 01:38:48.810 because people started changing and it was one, two, three, four, and 01:38:48.810 --> 01:38:50.740 they continuously grow from there. 01:38:50.740 --> 01:38:51.309 Right. 01:38:51.310 --> 01:38:54.470 The reason why a lot of the things we don't like right now that are 01:38:54.470 --> 01:38:58.150 happening in this is because those voices are louder than ours and 01:38:58.150 --> 01:38:59.700 there's more people doing action. 01:39:00.070 --> 01:39:01.470 Then we are right. 01:39:01.860 --> 01:39:06.060 And so I know we have this fear of loss and it is a true fear. 01:39:06.060 --> 01:39:09.680 And I'm not going to belittle the fact that you can lose your entire company 01:39:09.680 --> 01:39:11.160 by saying the wrong thing these days. 01:39:11.510 --> 01:39:11.840 Right. 01:39:12.280 --> 01:39:13.110 Usually easily. 01:39:13.120 --> 01:39:15.780 And I'm not going to belittle that that is the fact, right? 01:39:16.430 --> 01:39:20.230 However, we all have to have this internal conversation. 01:39:20.230 --> 01:39:23.110 Like I mentioned before, is that what is there a greater fear? 01:39:23.460 --> 01:39:24.410 And what is your purpose? 01:39:24.410 --> 01:39:27.250 Is it to leave your kids with something different, right? 01:39:27.440 --> 01:39:30.470 Or something that you will be proud of, that at least I did something right. 01:39:30.730 --> 01:39:33.860 Or is it, it doesn't matter how much money you have, how much things you 01:39:33.860 --> 01:39:37.140 saved, but if all of a sudden, and I'm not saying we're going down this 01:39:37.140 --> 01:39:40.110 route, but all of a sudden we turn into communism, what does that worth anyways? 01:39:43.380 --> 01:39:45.920 Travis Bader: Is there anything that we haven't talked about 01:39:45.930 --> 01:39:46.910 that we should talk about? 01:39:47.985 --> 01:39:49.005 Sean Zubor: Oh, that's a good question. 01:39:49.405 --> 01:39:50.035 Um, 01:39:54.785 --> 01:39:56.915 there's, there's lots of things I'd love to talk with. 01:39:56.915 --> 01:39:57.825 This is a great conversation. 01:39:57.825 --> 01:39:59.535 We're definitely going to have a cigar night and talk more. 01:39:59.795 --> 01:40:08.975 Um, I think, I think one of the things too is, is, um, that I try to instill as much 01:40:08.975 --> 01:40:16.495 as, as possible is, and you see this word being tossed around a lot, but I'm trying 01:40:16.495 --> 01:40:18.785 to be as grateful as I possibly can. 01:40:20.025 --> 01:40:24.285 And I think this is something that in business and these motivational 01:40:24.285 --> 01:40:26.285 speakers, like, Oh, I'm so grateful. 01:40:26.285 --> 01:40:31.635 I'm so this, I'm grateful for the fact that I always tell myself, like, I have 01:40:31.635 --> 01:40:37.125 two legs, I have this, I, I, it allows me to ground myself into the presence, right? 01:40:37.335 --> 01:40:38.304 Like, I'm grateful that. 01:40:38.365 --> 01:40:40.215 I'm here having this conversation with you. 01:40:40.395 --> 01:40:41.805 This is an opportunity. 01:40:41.815 --> 01:40:42.875 And I really appreciate that. 01:40:42.875 --> 01:40:46.245 A lot of people can't get just because of time or whatever the scenario is. 01:40:46.275 --> 01:40:46.625 Right. 01:40:47.085 --> 01:40:51.075 And so for myself, trying to be more grateful and understanding, 01:40:51.585 --> 01:40:54.835 if you're looking to succeed, it's very difficult to succeed. 01:40:54.835 --> 01:40:57.675 If you're not grateful for what you've already done and what you already have. 01:40:58.375 --> 01:40:59.295 And I feel like. 01:41:00.165 --> 01:41:04.395 We, you know, one of the reasons we have lost so much is because we weren't 01:41:04.395 --> 01:41:08.595 grateful for what we had and we didn't put the right things in place to enable, 01:41:08.635 --> 01:41:10.335 to keep those things that we've had. 01:41:10.665 --> 01:41:10.935 Right. 01:41:10.935 --> 01:41:14.905 So I feel, I feel gratefulness is something that I try 01:41:14.905 --> 01:41:16.235 to be as much as possible. 01:41:16.285 --> 01:41:16.525 How do 01:41:16.525 --> 01:41:16.995 Travis Bader: you do that? 01:41:17.505 --> 01:41:18.375 People talk about it. 01:41:18.425 --> 01:41:19.755 They say, Oh, Hey, I'm grateful. 01:41:19.755 --> 01:41:21.025 They'll write it into a text. 01:41:21.035 --> 01:41:21.225 Yeah. 01:41:21.395 --> 01:41:22.365 Hey, I'm really grateful. 01:41:22.385 --> 01:41:25.545 How do you, do you show your gratitude? 01:41:25.555 --> 01:41:27.095 Do you internalize that gratitude? 01:41:27.095 --> 01:41:28.175 What is, what does that look 01:41:28.175 --> 01:41:28.495 Sean Zubor: like? 01:41:28.885 --> 01:41:29.375 So. 01:41:30.405 --> 01:41:34.325 You know, obviously I'm grateful for everything people do for me for, you 01:41:34.325 --> 01:41:38.685 know, being able to even, I think the grateful that I'm talking about 01:41:38.685 --> 01:41:45.695 more or less is just truly being, and this comes back momentum, uh, mental 01:41:45.705 --> 01:41:48.395 Mori again, it's just, I'm alive. 01:41:48.885 --> 01:41:51.845 You know, and when we talk about like, you've been in your lows of your lows 01:41:51.855 --> 01:41:53.315 and your highs, your highs, right. 01:41:53.715 --> 01:41:56.105 It's grateful to have money in your account. 01:41:56.165 --> 01:41:56.545 Right. 01:41:56.795 --> 01:41:58.725 But on the lows and lows, that's the time where you have to 01:41:58.725 --> 01:42:00.395 be the most grateful, right? 01:42:00.405 --> 01:42:02.995 That's the time that if you really want to get out of that funk or 01:42:02.995 --> 01:42:07.145 wherever you are in that time and world is the easiest way to do that. 01:42:07.145 --> 01:42:10.455 It's like, okay, like, and I'm sure you guys have all seen that GIF is, you know, 01:42:10.455 --> 01:42:13.255 there's, there's a guy that's looking up. 01:42:13.925 --> 01:42:16.035 And the guy has no feet or no legs. 01:42:16.035 --> 01:42:18.555 And he's just looking at the guy with the legs and the guy with the legs and 01:42:18.555 --> 01:42:20.865 looking at guy with shoes and the guy with the shoes, looking at guy with 01:42:20.865 --> 01:42:22.565 the bike and the guy with the bike is looking at the guy with the car. 01:42:23.255 --> 01:42:26.865 We're always one step upping where we're trying to be right. 01:42:27.825 --> 01:42:32.935 I think if you want it to be an actual impactful thing to yourself. 01:42:33.075 --> 01:42:36.095 And I'm not just talking about like, you know, hashtag grateful, 01:42:39.395 --> 01:42:44.065 but actually having some importance where you can feel the chemical change 01:42:44.065 --> 01:42:48.775 it does in your body is you need to actually be, look at yourself and be 01:42:48.775 --> 01:42:50.555 like, what am I truly grateful for? 01:42:50.895 --> 01:42:51.684 Like I. 01:42:51.965 --> 01:42:55.485 I sat down yesterday with my kids and I got a new black puppy, a 01:42:55.485 --> 01:43:00.115 black lab puppy, and I'm sitting there and I'm just like, wow, I'm 01:43:00.115 --> 01:43:02.325 like, I got the dog that I wanted. 01:43:02.415 --> 01:43:03.795 My kids are healthy. 01:43:04.135 --> 01:43:07.415 Like I have lots of kids, like a friend of mine, his kid passed away. 01:43:07.475 --> 01:43:11.545 Like these are unimaginable things and these things still may happen. 01:43:11.860 --> 01:43:14.510 You know, like we don't have control of what will happen in the future 01:43:14.510 --> 01:43:15.560 when it comes to those things. 01:43:16.040 --> 01:43:21.760 So being grateful when you, when you practice it properly, and I'm 01:43:21.760 --> 01:43:24.510 not trying to say there's a right or wrong way, but you will know how 01:43:24.510 --> 01:43:25.970 you feel when you think about it. 01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:32.220 Travis Bader: You know, there's that, uh, saying a rich person wants many things. 01:43:32.540 --> 01:43:34.320 A sick person wants just one. 01:43:35.110 --> 01:43:35.290 Yeah. 01:43:36.310 --> 01:43:39.070 Sean, it was absolutely amazing having you on the podcast. 01:43:39.100 --> 01:43:40.900 Thank you so much for coming on here. 01:43:41.170 --> 01:43:41.980 Sean Zubor: Thanks for having me, brother. 01:43:41.980 --> 01:43:42.550 I appreciate it. 01:44:04.322 --> 01:44:08.502 I'm Travis Bader, and this is the Silvercore podcast. 01:44:09.352 --> 01:44:13.891 Silvercore has been providing its members with the skills and knowledge 01:44:13.911 --> 01:44:18.592 necessary to be confident and proficient in the outdoors for over 20 years. 01:44:18.672 --> 01:44:22.742 And we make it easier for people to deepen their connection to the natural world. 01:44:25.581 --> 01:44:28.972 Very often when a podcast Ends, the conversation continues. 01:44:29.512 --> 01:44:32.902 That was the case here, and we decided to press 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whose parents left 01:45:11.131 --> 01:45:12.692 communist hungry in the seventies. 01:45:13.152 --> 01:45:18.042 Is a former professional MMA competitor, is an accomplished sheep hunter, has 01:45:18.072 --> 01:45:22.582 almost gone bankrupt twice, and is now the co founder of the multi billion 01:45:22.582 --> 01:45:25.022 dollar sales company, Stonehouse Realty. 01:45:25.792 --> 01:45:28.356 Welcome to the Silverquart podcast. 01:45:28.357 --> 01:45:29.637 Sean's Zubor. 01:45:30.067 --> 01:45:30.987 Thanks for having me, brother. 01:45:31.147 --> 01:45:31.927 I'm excited to be here. 01:45:32.007 --> 01:45:33.007 I am excited. 01:45:33.067 --> 01:45:35.477 It was, uh, you know, a couple of technical difficulties right at 01:45:35.477 --> 01:45:38.656 the beginning, making sure we have a hard drive on scene is always a, 01:45:38.657 --> 01:45:40.216 a good thing if we want to record. 01:45:40.307 --> 01:45:40.927 Usually helps. 01:45:40.947 --> 01:45:41.857 Audio and video. 01:45:42.406 --> 01:45:44.437 So before we get things rolling too far. 01:45:44.972 --> 01:45:47.692 Like we're talking spit balling back and forth, all of these different 01:45:47.692 --> 01:45:49.472 things that we can chat about. 01:45:49.492 --> 01:45:54.612 And that's kind of the, the, uh, I find the Achilles heel of 01:45:54.631 --> 01:45:59.012 podcasting is the best conversation will happen before a podcast. 01:45:59.012 --> 01:46:01.992 And when you press stop, then the best conversation comes in because 01:46:01.992 --> 01:46:03.082 everyone's feeling comfortable. 01:46:03.102 --> 01:46:03.801 Yeah, totally. 01:46:03.891 --> 01:46:04.161 Right. 01:46:04.382 --> 01:46:07.492 And then the other one is if we talk too much ahead of time, before we get into 01:46:07.492 --> 01:46:11.562 a podcast, and we feel like, wow, we've already told this story, but there's 01:46:11.562 --> 01:46:12.882 one thing that we didn't bring up. 01:46:13.092 --> 01:46:13.312 Yeah. 01:46:13.632 --> 01:46:16.832 That you and I were talking about on the phone, which I totally off 01:46:16.832 --> 01:46:21.182 topic of really anything here, but you met somebody pretty cool down at 01:46:21.182 --> 01:46:23.402 Venice beach when you're working out. 01:46:23.722 --> 01:46:24.771 I want to hear that story. 01:46:25.292 --> 01:46:29.822 So long story short, the last couple of weeks I've been incredibly busy. 01:46:29.832 --> 01:46:32.462 So I've been everywhere from LA to New York. 01:46:32.462 --> 01:46:35.252 Sorry, before that it was in Kelowna, LA, New York, and then 01:46:35.262 --> 01:46:40.472 Oregon down getting at the bow rack and my, uh, new, um, bow there. 01:46:40.692 --> 01:46:44.362 But when I was in LA, I'm like, I've always. 01:46:44.542 --> 01:46:48.412 Growing up as a kid, my parents obviously have that funny accent. 01:46:49.032 --> 01:46:52.772 So, um, my dad's still to this day, you can barely understand a word he says. 01:46:53.102 --> 01:46:56.482 So I always admired, obviously, Arnold Schwarzenegger. 01:46:56.542 --> 01:46:57.272 Yeah. 01:46:57.492 --> 01:47:01.641 So I'm there, the only reason, well, I'm there for work, but the only reason 01:47:01.642 --> 01:47:05.682 I drive or Ubered about 30 minutes outside of where I was staying was 01:47:05.682 --> 01:47:09.402 just to work out every single morning at the Venice beach, Gold's, right? 01:47:09.932 --> 01:47:11.952 The Mecca of bodybuilding. 01:47:11.952 --> 01:47:12.711 So, so there I am. 01:47:12.962 --> 01:47:17.832 Just working out, getting my pump on, looking around, just flashing back to 01:47:17.832 --> 01:47:19.792 every single Arnold movie I've ever seen. 01:47:19.802 --> 01:47:22.982 He's plastered all over the thing as long as well as all the other champions. 01:47:23.702 --> 01:47:24.972 And I'm just about to leave. 01:47:24.981 --> 01:47:27.772 So I'm literally grabbing a protein shake from the vending machine. 01:47:27.941 --> 01:47:32.522 I look back and I have never been, I've been lucky enough to meet some 01:47:32.522 --> 01:47:35.142 really cool people in the fighting world and all this other kind of stuff. 01:47:35.142 --> 01:47:35.422 Right. 01:47:36.012 --> 01:47:39.672 Um, I look back and like a little school girl that just 01:47:39.672 --> 01:47:41.312 saw Justin Bieber or something. 01:47:41.782 --> 01:47:46.282 I'm freezing, I can't even like, get at my phone to take the 01:47:46.282 --> 01:47:48.072 picture, cause there comes Arnold. 01:47:48.442 --> 01:47:50.112 With three of his buddies, right? 01:47:50.132 --> 01:47:54.582 One of them, I'm sure is his bodyguard on his bicycle, just driving it 01:47:54.582 --> 01:47:57.561 right up, walking right towards me in the Mecca of bodybuilding. 01:47:57.632 --> 01:48:00.431 I'm like, the reason that place is famous because of this guy. 01:48:00.712 --> 01:48:02.802 And I'm just like, in shock. 01:48:02.811 --> 01:48:06.332 Finally, I managed to snap some shots and what do I do? 01:48:06.362 --> 01:48:07.432 Instantly I put everything away. 01:48:07.432 --> 01:48:08.392 I'm like, can I go back in? 01:48:08.412 --> 01:48:11.762 And I start working out with them, like beside him, like a stalker. 01:48:11.902 --> 01:48:14.862 And I can overhear their conversations and all these things. 01:48:15.072 --> 01:48:16.982 He was really nice enough to say hello. 01:48:17.192 --> 01:48:19.442 I couldn't take a picture with him and I don't blame him because at the end of the 01:48:19.442 --> 01:48:23.622 day you'd never be able to get a workout in and I'm sure all the 500 people working 01:48:23.622 --> 01:48:26.252 out that day would be wanting to take a picture with him but I can tell you 01:48:26.252 --> 01:48:29.112 it was one of the craziest experiences. 01:48:29.141 --> 01:48:32.142 I don't get starstruck very often but it's Arnold. 01:48:32.522 --> 01:48:33.312 It's Arnold. 01:48:33.332 --> 01:48:33.892 No kidding. 01:48:33.902 --> 01:48:35.092 That'd be a pretty cool experience. 01:48:35.092 --> 01:48:36.562 I watched his series there. 01:48:36.772 --> 01:48:37.422 Did you watch out on that? 01:48:37.422 --> 01:48:37.872 I did. 01:48:38.312 --> 01:48:38.672 Yeah. 01:48:38.732 --> 01:48:39.012 Yeah. 01:48:39.012 --> 01:48:39.042 Yeah. 01:48:39.052 --> 01:48:42.752 Interesting fellow, a lot of drive, really, really hard worker. 01:48:42.752 --> 01:48:46.342 You can tell that it's just been ingrained in him from his, uh, from an early 01:48:46.342 --> 01:48:47.912 age and from his family upbringing. 01:48:48.462 --> 01:48:53.222 Uh, glossed over some of the difficulties that he had, I felt, um. 01:48:53.442 --> 01:48:59.442 Yeah, for myself, like, honestly, today, we have a lot of differing opinions in the 01:48:59.442 --> 01:49:01.792 world and politics and so on and so forth. 01:49:02.912 --> 01:49:05.491 I I'm the kind of guy that you can never take away from what you've 01:49:05.492 --> 01:49:11.122 accomplished and done and his rise to fame, what he's accomplished, like. 01:49:11.872 --> 01:49:15.812 And that was the biggest experience, like the biggest takeaway, like I said, I've 01:49:15.812 --> 01:49:19.672 been lucky enough, like I've sat with Dana White like this and he's a billionaire 01:49:19.672 --> 01:49:21.652 and an amazing guy, multiple George St. 01:49:21.652 --> 01:49:24.352 Pierre and all these other kinds of guys when it came to the fighting world. 01:49:25.061 --> 01:49:28.972 And I never really had this like, Oh my God, kind of moment type thing. 01:49:28.972 --> 01:49:29.232 Right. 01:49:29.722 --> 01:49:34.261 But when sitting beside Arnold, listening to him, talk to his son. 01:49:34.867 --> 01:49:37.207 Uh, listening and talk to a couple other people are just like, wow, 01:49:37.207 --> 01:49:39.247 this guy really is flesh and blood. 01:49:39.527 --> 01:49:43.257 And that was the biggest takeaway of that entire meeting, right? 01:49:43.267 --> 01:49:45.757 Was that he'll never remember it, obviously. 01:49:45.767 --> 01:49:47.997 Cause I'm just one out of the billion people he's ever met, but. 01:49:48.167 --> 01:49:48.956 What if he does? 01:49:49.076 --> 01:49:50.797 Oh, that would be insane, but I doubt it. 01:49:51.247 --> 01:49:53.497 Well, maybe he would, maybe he like did a police report. 01:49:53.497 --> 01:49:54.927 Cause I was like the stalker beside him. 01:49:54.927 --> 01:49:55.567 That's possible. 01:49:56.067 --> 01:49:59.907 But, uh, I just, I just remember thinking the whole time I'm like, 01:49:59.907 --> 01:50:01.416 wow, I'm like, he's lifting weights. 01:50:01.417 --> 01:50:02.837 Like I am, he's right there. 01:50:03.507 --> 01:50:04.267 It's just. 01:50:04.547 --> 01:50:09.247 It puts into reality that even though he is bigger than life in many cases, right. 01:50:09.567 --> 01:50:10.877 That it is truly possible. 01:50:10.887 --> 01:50:15.076 Like he is, has exact same blood, the exact same fat, the exact same 01:50:15.086 --> 01:50:16.706 muscle, muscle tissue that we do. 01:50:17.266 --> 01:50:21.277 It's just what he's done with it is significantly more than the average. 01:50:21.587 --> 01:50:22.317 And I like that. 01:50:22.347 --> 01:50:26.647 And you know, when I say the difficulties they talked about, uh, but didn't 01:50:26.647 --> 01:50:28.697 delve that deep into, there is. 01:50:29.067 --> 01:50:32.887 A tendency in individuals, humans are negatively biased. 01:50:32.897 --> 01:50:36.147 We'll drive by a car accident and we're rubber necking to see what happened. 01:50:36.147 --> 01:50:38.817 I, I think that's just an instinctual thing. 01:50:38.817 --> 01:50:43.117 So we can look and say, um, maybe I shouldn't speed. 01:50:43.137 --> 01:50:44.216 Maybe I shouldn't do this. 01:50:44.246 --> 01:50:47.997 Maybe I can learn from their mistake and maybe some people look at it and 01:50:47.997 --> 01:50:49.967 it's, uh, it's a leveling process. 01:50:49.997 --> 01:50:52.347 Well, I guess I'm better than them right now, right? 01:50:52.897 --> 01:50:57.687 But there is also a piece to that puzzle of the difficulties and challenges that 01:50:57.687 --> 01:51:00.907 people have, and it's how they work through it, because we all are flesh 01:51:00.907 --> 01:51:07.366 and blood and those who will strive for greater things will tend to have 01:51:07.366 --> 01:51:11.876 more eyes on them and they'll tend to fall harder than those who don't. 01:51:12.627 --> 01:51:15.807 And you had a really cool quote on your Instagram. 01:51:16.492 --> 01:51:17.212 I've heard it before. 01:51:17.212 --> 01:51:19.962 It's by a man who has a, uh, an elk named after him. 01:51:21.672 --> 01:51:24.462 Who I just literally visited his house in New York, which 01:51:24.462 --> 01:51:27.892 is where he was born, which was really, really interesting to see. 01:51:28.172 --> 01:51:32.112 So I'm going to read this one because this is what really intrigued me 01:51:32.122 --> 01:51:35.402 about our conversation that we had. 01:51:35.737 --> 01:51:36.937 We can talk about hunting. 01:51:36.937 --> 01:51:38.127 We can talk about a number of things. 01:51:38.127 --> 01:51:43.957 You're good friends with, uh, past podcast guests at Blavois who says, Sean is a hell 01:51:43.957 --> 01:51:48.086 of a leader and talking about leadership in your role and your work and what you 01:51:48.087 --> 01:51:53.466 do as well as in the outdoors world, in the hunting and angling and there, there's 01:51:53.516 --> 01:51:56.726 a, a need for people to understand the. 01:51:57.357 --> 01:52:00.937 Amount of agency that each individual has and the effect that each 01:52:00.937 --> 01:52:04.017 individual can have on their personal surroundings and those around them. 01:52:04.467 --> 01:52:08.117 And this poem, it's not a poem. 01:52:08.117 --> 01:52:09.956 It's just, well, there's a rhyme. 01:52:09.957 --> 01:52:10.397 Is it a poem? 01:52:10.397 --> 01:52:11.077 What would you call it? 01:52:11.077 --> 01:52:12.397 It's a, it was a speech actually. 01:52:12.407 --> 01:52:12.947 A speech. 01:52:12.957 --> 01:52:13.357 Yep. 01:52:13.707 --> 01:52:18.837 So, uh, Theodore Roosevelt, of course, president 1901 to 1909. 01:52:19.657 --> 01:52:23.527 Has this one man in the arena, it is not the critic who counts, not the 01:52:23.527 --> 01:52:27.177 man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of 01:52:27.177 --> 01:52:28.897 deeds could have done them better. 01:52:29.337 --> 01:52:33.006 The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose 01:52:33.007 --> 01:52:37.417 face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly. 01:52:37.592 --> 01:52:42.312 Who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort 01:52:42.342 --> 01:52:46.852 without error and shortcoming, but who does actually strive to do the 01:52:46.962 --> 01:52:51.662 deeds, who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself 01:52:51.682 --> 01:52:54.651 in a worthy cause, who at the best. 01:52:54.962 --> 01:52:59.142 Knows in the end, the triumph of high achievement and who had the worst. 01:52:59.142 --> 01:53:04.691 If he fails, at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never 01:53:04.702 --> 01:53:09.072 be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. 01:53:09.922 --> 01:53:11.022 I like that one. 01:53:11.102 --> 01:53:12.152 And that is sort of. 01:53:12.367 --> 01:53:17.017 What I felt is the crux of what you're going through at the moment and kind 01:53:17.017 --> 01:53:18.857 of what your journey is taking you. 01:53:19.127 --> 01:53:19.447 Yeah. 01:53:19.447 --> 01:53:22.967 And I mean that, first of all, I wish I had your voice cause that sounded amazing. 01:53:24.797 --> 01:53:29.837 Second of all, um, yeah, that's basically been more or less that 01:53:29.846 --> 01:53:33.057 type of mentality has been something that has really stuck with me. 01:53:33.457 --> 01:53:36.217 Um, so Theodore Roosevelt. 01:53:36.422 --> 01:53:37.572 Along with many others. 01:53:37.602 --> 01:53:38.992 And I've kind of found myself along. 01:53:38.992 --> 01:53:43.782 This has really got into like stoicism and it's, and it's understanding our 01:53:43.782 --> 01:53:47.362 place in this world, understanding where it's not a religion. 01:53:47.362 --> 01:53:50.482 It's just understanding that today is just today and we cannot take 01:53:50.482 --> 01:53:53.402 ourselves too seriously, but we can also not take ourselves too lightly. 01:53:53.572 --> 01:53:53.902 Right. 01:53:54.502 --> 01:54:00.782 And unfortunately, a lot of us get stuck in this thought process of we are 01:54:00.782 --> 01:54:05.392 who we are today based on our past or where we are going to be in the future. 01:54:05.831 --> 01:54:10.052 The reality is, is some of that is true, of course, you know, the way you 01:54:10.052 --> 01:54:11.551 look, the way you act and what you do. 01:54:11.862 --> 01:54:14.162 Does reflect a lot of what you have done in the past. 01:54:14.172 --> 01:54:17.022 However, um, the past is done. 01:54:17.212 --> 01:54:18.512 It is no longer here. 01:54:18.522 --> 01:54:19.832 It's a complete illusion. 01:54:19.992 --> 01:54:22.071 Tomorrow I could get hit by the bus. 01:54:22.381 --> 01:54:23.812 We could hit, hit by an asteroid. 01:54:23.921 --> 01:54:27.442 So if I'm looking for happiness, if I'm looking for something that's going to 01:54:27.631 --> 01:54:32.601 fulfill me based on an accomplishment in the future, that may never come. 01:54:32.601 --> 01:54:32.851 Right. 01:54:33.301 --> 01:54:33.811 So. 01:54:34.772 --> 01:54:39.032 And I feel like, and I, what, what he talks about really in this poem 01:54:39.212 --> 01:54:45.431 or in this speech actually is he's talking about the fact that we allow 01:54:45.432 --> 01:54:47.611 ourselves to criticize ourselves. 01:54:47.661 --> 01:54:49.752 We allow ourselves to criticize others. 01:54:49.762 --> 01:54:53.741 We, we get whatever we do get affected by others, the 01:54:53.742 --> 01:54:55.772 thoughts and opinions about us. 01:54:55.872 --> 01:54:56.282 Right. 01:54:56.552 --> 01:55:00.002 Instead of taking all that in ourselves and just creating action. 01:55:00.307 --> 01:55:00.617 Right. 01:55:01.007 --> 01:55:04.947 And jujitsu, for example, which seven I've trained together for, we're not together, 01:55:04.947 --> 01:55:06.497 but that's how we actually met each other. 01:55:06.987 --> 01:55:10.327 Um, they have a saying that they say all the time. 01:55:10.447 --> 01:55:13.847 It's like you either win or you learn and that's about it. 01:55:13.847 --> 01:55:15.156 There is no losing, right? 01:55:15.386 --> 01:55:17.327 Your loss just teaches you something to do better. 01:55:17.686 --> 01:55:21.657 And unfortunately this day and age, and this is really when it comes to this 01:55:21.657 --> 01:55:27.067 leadership aspect, this day and age, we are looking for instant gratification. 01:55:27.517 --> 01:55:28.267 All of the time. 01:55:28.567 --> 01:55:28.867 Right. 01:55:28.867 --> 01:55:32.797 And it comes to everything even in like the hunting and, and whatever you may be 01:55:32.797 --> 01:55:38.697 looking at, you want to compare yourself and, and it's difficult for like my 01:55:38.697 --> 01:55:42.837 boys my age or that I have, for example, they're eight and four years old, hunter 01:55:42.842 --> 01:55:46.847 and Jack and Hunter looks at YouTube and he's telling me like he wants to watch his 01:55:46.847 --> 01:55:50.387 macros and he wants to whatever, and he wants to be a YouTuber and he wants to get 01:55:50.387 --> 01:55:51.857 this and jacked and so on and so forth. 01:55:51.857 --> 01:55:54.517 So obviously, do I promote healthy lifestyle? 01:55:54.607 --> 01:55:55.897 Of course, but it is. 01:55:56.132 --> 01:55:58.662 We are constantly looking for affirmations. 01:55:58.672 --> 01:56:01.832 We're constantly looking for positive reinforcement, and we're 01:56:01.862 --> 01:56:06.642 comparing ourselves to what most of the time is not even reality. 01:56:06.802 --> 01:56:07.112 Right? 01:56:07.142 --> 01:56:09.931 Majority of the things we see on Instagram, Facebook, Tik TOK, 01:56:09.932 --> 01:56:11.132 all these other types of things. 01:56:11.757 --> 01:56:15.597 A, they're filtered their hair, you know, or it is their peak of that 01:56:15.597 --> 01:56:19.427 person's personal conditioning ever, or, you know, they're flashing. 01:56:19.427 --> 01:56:22.177 And this is one thing I talk about all the time, people that have done 01:56:22.177 --> 01:56:25.127 well financially, they're flashing all their watches and their cars. 01:56:25.127 --> 01:56:28.977 And 90% of the people that I know that do that don't have a pot to piss in. 01:56:29.312 --> 01:56:29.912 You know what I mean? 01:56:29.912 --> 01:56:31.492 Like they're leasing all of it. 01:56:31.532 --> 01:56:34.182 Whereas a guy that I know is legitimately a billionaire, you 01:56:34.182 --> 01:56:37.462 would never know from the, you know, meeting him, he's driving a, uh, 01:56:37.472 --> 01:56:39.572 1990 something, you know what I mean? 01:56:39.572 --> 01:56:45.002 So yeah, this is, this is kind of that poems just really where that speech is 01:56:45.002 --> 01:56:50.271 really something that's resonated with me and that type of mindset of action first. 01:56:51.217 --> 01:56:55.267 Um, obviously it's thoughtful action, but action first, don't let other people judge 01:56:55.287 --> 01:57:00.267 or, or really guide you unless you are looking for that specific guide, right? 01:57:00.267 --> 01:57:02.897 It's unless that's somebody that's a mentor, maybe a mentor. 01:57:03.306 --> 01:57:06.336 Um, I don't give a shit generally what people think about me. 01:57:06.877 --> 01:57:07.117 Right. 01:57:07.157 --> 01:57:09.887 And it's not something that it's like, I only care what I think about myself. 01:57:09.887 --> 01:57:10.707 That's not the case. 01:57:11.027 --> 01:57:13.887 And do I have to listen if I'm doing something wrong, I care 01:57:13.887 --> 01:57:16.346 about what the people that are close to me think about me. 01:57:16.566 --> 01:57:16.726 Right. 01:57:16.946 --> 01:57:19.856 Because obviously that's a reflection on how I'm treating them and how I'm 01:57:19.856 --> 01:57:23.396 at, uh, what I'm offering them and what I'm giving back to the world. 01:57:23.776 --> 01:57:28.217 But in general, if I was continuously looking at what other people's 01:57:28.217 --> 01:57:30.907 thoughts of were me or about me, sorry. 01:57:31.377 --> 01:57:32.537 I would be all over the map. 01:57:32.737 --> 01:57:33.247 You know what I mean? 01:57:33.257 --> 01:57:34.797 Some people want me to. 01:57:35.147 --> 01:57:35.957 Yeah, you'd be paralyzed with indecision. 01:57:36.147 --> 01:57:36.717 Exactly. 01:57:36.717 --> 01:57:37.166 Exactly. 01:57:37.167 --> 01:57:42.577 There's, um, flew into Smithers and you can always tell the anglers, they got 01:57:42.577 --> 01:57:46.617 their, their rods and now they make, uh, ones that can pack down pretty small. 01:57:46.617 --> 01:57:50.407 So it's getting a little bit tougher, but, uh, uh, older gentleman there and 01:57:50.416 --> 01:57:56.587 he had some, uh, old Patagonia luggage and Patagonia gear he is wearing. 01:57:56.587 --> 01:58:01.177 And yeah, definitely looks like an angler anyways, is meeting with the, um. 01:58:01.802 --> 01:58:09.372 Buddy of mine, he owns a, uh, uh, Skeena Spey Lodge up there and we're, uh, over 01:58:09.372 --> 01:58:10.681 dinner, we're talking about some stuff. 01:58:10.681 --> 01:58:13.832 He says, oh yeah, you know, the owner of Patagonia is actually up here right now. 01:58:13.832 --> 01:58:14.332 He just flew in. 01:58:14.332 --> 01:58:15.122 I'm like, oh, what's his name? 01:58:15.212 --> 01:58:15.842 And he gives his name. 01:58:15.842 --> 01:58:19.061 And I, I should know his name, but I forget like, can I see a picture of him? 01:58:19.812 --> 01:58:20.732 I saw him on the plane. 01:58:20.732 --> 01:58:21.382 He was on the airplane. 01:58:21.422 --> 01:58:22.492 You would never know it. 01:58:22.502 --> 01:58:27.662 This guy owns multi million, billion dollar company, clothing company. 01:58:27.932 --> 01:58:32.382 And he's wearing like gear that hasn't been made in years. 01:58:33.247 --> 01:58:35.427 And because there's a different motivator there. 01:58:35.427 --> 01:58:40.647 There's something that motivates an individual who is, um, just 01:58:40.657 --> 01:58:43.727 trying to impress others to the one who has something a little 01:58:43.727 --> 01:58:45.087 bit deeper that's driving them. 01:58:46.667 --> 01:58:50.177 And I've seen, I've seen people who are highly successful in life. 01:58:50.207 --> 01:58:52.467 And there's, there seems to be a common trend. 01:58:53.067 --> 01:58:57.717 There's one where people come from backgrounds of, um, affluence and 01:58:57.717 --> 01:59:04.116 influence and they're kind of born into it, but the ones who really 01:59:04.116 --> 01:59:05.167 kind of go are the ones who. 01:59:05.747 --> 01:59:07.367 Weren't born into it. 01:59:07.467 --> 01:59:11.357 And I don't know you very well, but I get the sense that you've had to fight for it. 01:59:11.367 --> 01:59:11.827 Yeah. 01:59:11.827 --> 01:59:12.887 So definitely. 01:59:13.567 --> 01:59:17.627 So I've always been ambitious as a kid, but my mom's an esthetician. 01:59:17.726 --> 01:59:18.627 She's just retiring. 01:59:18.627 --> 01:59:20.366 My dad was a long haul truck driver. 01:59:20.707 --> 01:59:23.807 Um, both of them fled communist Hungary in the seventies. 01:59:24.197 --> 01:59:25.467 Um, I was born in Edmonton. 01:59:25.467 --> 01:59:30.447 My dad worked on, at NOSCO, um, driving truck on the, on the oil line. 01:59:30.662 --> 01:59:31.752 On the oil rigs. 01:59:31.832 --> 01:59:37.452 So no, I never, I, I wouldn't say I was in poverty or anything like that. 01:59:37.492 --> 01:59:40.952 They were always hard workers and they're really the people that have instilled 01:59:41.231 --> 01:59:43.332 that hard work ethic, uh, into me. 01:59:43.332 --> 01:59:49.062 But, um, I've, I've always had this vision of becoming something greater. 01:59:49.351 --> 01:59:49.751 Right. 01:59:51.951 --> 01:59:53.401 It may sound mosaic or something. 01:59:53.401 --> 01:59:53.671 I don't know. 01:59:53.671 --> 01:59:58.581 It's just always been inside of me, to be very honest now for. 01:59:58.922 --> 02:00:02.652 For myself, it's never been necessarily just because I want money. 02:00:02.652 --> 02:00:05.012 It's not, we're briefly talking about this earlier. 02:00:05.012 --> 02:00:07.452 I have lots of people that, a lot of my friends, coworkers 02:00:07.452 --> 02:00:08.901 drive Lamborghinis and Ferraris. 02:00:08.902 --> 02:00:09.951 It's not really my thing. 02:00:09.962 --> 02:00:14.492 I'd rather go take off for three months in the mountains and go find me a sheep. 02:00:14.492 --> 02:00:14.751 Right. 02:00:14.782 --> 02:00:16.981 But, um, for myself. 02:00:17.151 --> 02:00:17.571 It's about the same price. 02:00:19.351 --> 02:00:20.361 These days, yeah, tell me. 02:00:20.931 --> 02:00:23.251 Yeah, I, I, I'm still too cheap to go on a guided hunt. 02:00:23.291 --> 02:00:26.692 I'm going to have to do that one day, but, um, it's. 02:00:27.192 --> 02:00:31.592 For me, it's, it's about what I can do with that money. 02:00:31.592 --> 02:00:33.192 It's about the constant accomplishment. 02:00:33.202 --> 02:00:34.322 It's about the growth. 02:00:34.532 --> 02:00:36.452 It's about watching the more that I grow. 02:00:36.461 --> 02:00:42.602 Like, for example, when we started the company in 2017, we had 12 agents, right? 02:00:42.602 --> 02:00:45.702 So it was myself, my business partner and our teams. 02:00:45.892 --> 02:00:47.562 And so, and we had one admin. 02:00:48.097 --> 02:00:53.257 Now we have, you know, we're pushing 500 agents, give or take, doing 02:00:53.267 --> 02:00:57.687 billions of dollars in transaction, 20 odd full time employees. 02:00:58.097 --> 02:01:02.922 So, The scope of what I am responsible for has grown as well. 02:01:03.192 --> 02:01:05.052 So you grow with that, right? 02:01:05.312 --> 02:01:08.772 And so where I'm envisioning and where I want to go next is more 02:01:08.772 --> 02:01:10.372 growth to be able to help more people. 02:01:10.372 --> 02:01:13.682 And I saw, I know that sounds kind of weird, but it's beyond this money. 02:01:13.682 --> 02:01:15.372 It's creating, maybe it's legacy. 02:01:15.402 --> 02:01:18.962 Maybe I'm not sure what it is, but it's this passion that 02:01:18.962 --> 02:01:20.182 has nothing to do with money. 02:01:20.402 --> 02:01:23.682 And I know that sounds funny because I have money and I don't mean to 02:01:23.682 --> 02:01:27.482 sound like an egotistical maniac, but I'm not poor, but I feel like. 02:01:28.527 --> 02:01:32.907 As humans, what we, once our basic necessities are 02:01:32.927 --> 02:01:34.267 covered, you know what I mean? 02:01:34.297 --> 02:01:37.007 The lifestyle that we want to live, live hits, hits a point. 02:01:37.307 --> 02:01:40.347 Either we stagnate or we find another reason to grow. 02:01:40.887 --> 02:01:41.197 Right. 02:01:41.446 --> 02:01:45.567 And for me, that growth, the other reason to grow has been 02:01:45.567 --> 02:01:48.836 to help society change society. 02:01:49.442 --> 02:01:52.862 Or just have another positive, uh, outlook, another positive 02:01:52.872 --> 02:01:55.432 voice out there, um, for change. 02:01:55.442 --> 02:01:58.302 And what I feel like we're heading down a little bit of 02:01:58.302 --> 02:01:59.672 a disastrous route right now. 02:02:00.247 --> 02:02:03.757 You know, Rockefeller was once asked, you got so much money. 02:02:04.317 --> 02:02:05.997 How much do you really need? 02:02:06.397 --> 02:02:07.487 Asked this by a reporter. 02:02:07.487 --> 02:02:11.127 And he says, just 1 more, always just 1 more. 02:02:11.657 --> 02:02:13.626 And was he covetous of the money? 02:02:14.296 --> 02:02:19.782 Um, Perhaps, or was it the process of building that intrigued him 02:02:19.812 --> 02:02:21.312 to want to continue doing this? 02:02:21.322 --> 02:02:25.532 Cause I can see that creation process, but if you're always looking for the dollar, 02:02:25.542 --> 02:02:29.892 like I'm going to be happy when I have X amount of money, studies have shown there 02:02:29.901 --> 02:02:32.212 is, there is a bit of a point, right? 02:02:32.212 --> 02:02:33.981 Where money will bring happiness, right? 02:02:34.162 --> 02:02:37.011 If you're not eating, if you don't have shelter, if you don't have 02:02:37.021 --> 02:02:38.431 your basic necessities, Matt. 02:02:39.562 --> 02:02:42.942 You're probably not going to be quite as happy as if you've got a full belly and 02:02:42.942 --> 02:02:46.642 a roof over your head and you're warm and you're, and you've got these necessities. 02:02:47.061 --> 02:02:50.252 But beyond that, studies have shown that money is a 02:02:50.262 --> 02:02:53.391 demotivator for human performance. 02:02:53.452 --> 02:02:59.972 Unless the task is you build one widget, you get 1, one token, whatever you 02:02:59.972 --> 02:03:02.562 build to you get to money has a direct. 02:03:03.307 --> 02:03:08.317 Motivator for that, anything that requires a level of creativity or 02:03:08.317 --> 02:03:12.607 some sort of personal satisfaction or gratification that's involved with it, 02:03:12.937 --> 02:03:16.327 money has the adverse effect on the individual that the more money you want 02:03:16.327 --> 02:03:20.026 to throw at that person in order to create more, be a better artist, right. 02:03:20.586 --> 02:03:23.077 It actually has the opposite effect. 02:03:23.372 --> 02:03:23.632 Yeah. 02:03:23.632 --> 02:03:28.222 And I can totally see that for, for myself, as I mentioned before, it's, and 02:03:28.222 --> 02:03:33.632 it's kind of comes back to that whole stoicism, uh, concept is, you know, 02:03:33.632 --> 02:03:37.191 if you look at Marcus Aurelius, who's one of the great Stoics, this guy was 02:03:37.202 --> 02:03:40.032 an emperor, an emperor of Rome, like. 02:03:40.242 --> 02:03:46.352 It's very hard for us in today's time to fathom the power of an emperor of Rome. 02:03:46.582 --> 02:03:49.922 Like he would look at your wife and be like, that's my wife now. 02:03:49.972 --> 02:03:50.862 And that's his wife. 02:03:50.872 --> 02:03:53.681 You know, he would go off with his head and off with his head. 02:03:53.712 --> 02:03:56.541 Like it's a different level of power yet. 02:03:56.541 --> 02:03:59.702 He literally had to tell himself daily that I'm just a man. 02:04:00.147 --> 02:04:00.416 Right. 02:04:00.447 --> 02:04:01.797 That I will die. 02:04:01.987 --> 02:04:02.247 Right. 02:04:02.277 --> 02:04:06.007 That I have mortality, that what's the point of being a man if I'm 02:04:06.007 --> 02:04:07.637 not doing something useful in life. 02:04:07.647 --> 02:04:07.997 Right. 02:04:08.527 --> 02:04:11.407 And so one of the, and I'm paraphrasing because it's saying it completely 02:04:11.407 --> 02:04:14.487 different, but one of the things that stands out that I love about what he would 02:04:14.487 --> 02:04:21.187 say is as human beings, we are the only species on the planet that can wake up and 02:04:21.187 --> 02:04:23.307 decide to keep the duvets over our head. 02:04:23.562 --> 02:04:27.062 And go back to sleep when a B wakes up, what does a B do? 02:04:27.102 --> 02:04:28.242 The B does B shit. 02:04:28.292 --> 02:04:30.842 When a grizzly bear wakes up, what does a grizzly bear do? 02:04:31.122 --> 02:04:35.651 Does this grizzly bear is being a grizzly bear and every other life form. 02:04:35.732 --> 02:04:37.242 They're not thinking about tomorrow. 02:04:37.321 --> 02:04:38.392 They're not thinking about yesterday. 02:04:38.392 --> 02:04:42.622 They don't even have the concept of time, which is a blessing and a negative to us. 02:04:43.107 --> 02:04:43.137 Right. 02:04:43.577 --> 02:04:44.997 But we are the only ones. 02:04:45.027 --> 02:04:48.497 And so what ends up happening and why one of these reasons that I've seen so 02:04:48.497 --> 02:04:52.157 many people that are depressed, that are, it, it is not even depression. 02:04:52.157 --> 02:04:53.077 It is boredom. 02:04:53.177 --> 02:04:56.587 We are not finding ourselves useful to society. 02:04:56.837 --> 02:04:58.577 We are not giving anything. 02:04:58.716 --> 02:05:00.696 So we do not feel accomplished. 02:05:01.007 --> 02:05:02.116 And instead. 02:05:02.202 --> 02:05:07.222 Our society is turned into a world where we expect the government to give to us. 02:05:07.242 --> 02:05:09.472 We expect others to give to us. 02:05:09.532 --> 02:05:14.162 We are wanting to feel that we are taken care of instead of having 02:05:14.162 --> 02:05:15.522 this personal responsibility. 02:05:15.882 --> 02:05:19.361 And if you generally want to feel amazing about yourself. 02:05:19.652 --> 02:05:24.162 Go do some hard shit, provide, give, and you are going to feel like the 02:05:24.162 --> 02:05:26.042 person you're supposed to be, right? 02:05:26.062 --> 02:05:29.662 And I think this is probably one of the biggest issues we've had in the 02:05:30.042 --> 02:05:35.221 previous decades is this cultural shift of take instead of give. 02:05:35.532 --> 02:05:39.332 And no matter what, you know, I don't know the exact, uh, 02:05:39.362 --> 02:05:41.322 percentage, but it's incredibly high. 02:05:41.322 --> 02:05:44.992 It's something like 70 or 80% of the people that win the lottery. 02:05:45.547 --> 02:05:48.367 End up going bankrupt within five years. 02:05:49.377 --> 02:05:49.577 Yeah. 02:05:49.637 --> 02:05:54.857 And, and, and more than just bankrupt, like serious, uh, depressive issues, 02:05:54.887 --> 02:06:00.147 uh, uh, substance abuse, um, just don't know how to handle this. 02:06:00.147 --> 02:06:02.826 And this one thing that they thought would bring them happiness. 02:06:02.867 --> 02:06:03.087 Yeah. 02:06:04.182 --> 02:06:08.482 And, and it's funny, it's so bad that the fact that the British Columbian 02:06:08.482 --> 02:06:12.932 government, once you win the lottery, they automatically send you towards 02:06:12.932 --> 02:06:15.932 people with financial services and all these other things, because people are 02:06:16.232 --> 02:06:21.252 so inclined to blow it all and go, and, and the reason for that is, it's not 02:06:21.252 --> 02:06:23.922 the money that makes you happy, right? 02:06:24.132 --> 02:06:27.162 For me, it's not the fact that I have a little bit of money. 02:06:27.592 --> 02:06:29.952 It's the fact of I created this money. 02:06:30.517 --> 02:06:30.707 Right. 02:06:30.727 --> 02:06:31.687 It wasn't given to me. 02:06:32.047 --> 02:06:34.127 I know what I had to do, right? 02:06:34.377 --> 02:06:36.947 Why people always ask me, why do you like doing this hard shit? 02:06:36.947 --> 02:06:40.507 I'm running ultra marathons and, you know, fighting him or was 02:06:40.507 --> 02:06:43.487 fighting MMA and, you know, training and all this other kind of stuff. 02:06:43.487 --> 02:06:44.807 Why do I put myself through this? 02:06:45.256 --> 02:06:49.227 This is, this is what actually makes you feel good in life. 02:06:49.452 --> 02:06:49.642 Right. 02:06:49.662 --> 02:06:55.282 Like I use this as an example all the time, but when you sit down at 02:06:55.592 --> 02:06:58.762 Thanksgiving dinner with your family or Christmas dinner or whatever, right. 02:06:59.472 --> 02:07:00.671 What are you bragging about? 02:07:00.901 --> 02:07:04.642 Are you bragging about, or talking about the, you spent three days 02:07:04.642 --> 02:07:06.092 on the couch watching Netflix? 02:07:06.602 --> 02:07:06.962 No. 02:07:07.262 --> 02:07:07.911 What are you bragging? 02:07:07.921 --> 02:07:10.482 You're bragging about the accomplishments that you've done. 02:07:10.532 --> 02:07:11.532 You went for a run. 02:07:11.712 --> 02:07:12.902 I lost 20 pounds. 02:07:12.902 --> 02:07:13.182 I did. 02:07:13.602 --> 02:07:15.902 Is it the 20 pounds of loss? 02:07:16.187 --> 02:07:17.327 That makes you feel good. 02:07:17.507 --> 02:07:17.857 Sure. 02:07:17.857 --> 02:07:20.967 You look better in the mirror, but it's the fact that you did shit you 02:07:20.967 --> 02:07:23.607 weren't doing before you ate better. 02:07:23.647 --> 02:07:24.587 You trained better. 02:07:24.677 --> 02:07:27.557 You did whatever it took to make you a better person. 02:07:27.567 --> 02:07:29.156 This is what makes us feel good. 02:07:29.387 --> 02:07:33.177 And I feel like, unfortunately, right now we're relying on the dopamine 02:07:33.527 --> 02:07:37.547 hits and rushes of outside sources, video games, whatever it may be, 02:07:37.797 --> 02:07:39.037 instead of doing it ourselves. 02:07:39.267 --> 02:07:41.407 Well, that's not really a new trend either. 02:07:41.407 --> 02:07:45.396 I was watching, I think it was drag net and this, uh, old, old. 02:07:45.637 --> 02:07:46.727 Dragnet episode. 02:07:46.727 --> 02:07:49.747 And they're one of the guys, I forget his name is lecturing 02:07:49.747 --> 02:07:53.577 the young whippersnappers about how they like everything. 02:07:53.577 --> 02:07:57.197 So instantaneous, you pick up a phone and dial it and you're able to get a 02:07:57.207 --> 02:08:00.976 hold of a friend and you have, you turn on the radio and you can hear things 02:08:00.976 --> 02:08:03.136 are coming in right away and, and it's. 02:08:03.467 --> 02:08:07.897 It's funny how it's exact same conversation that's happening now, just 02:08:07.897 --> 02:08:14.537 with different devices and a different speed, um, that was happening back then. 02:08:14.606 --> 02:08:21.086 Like there is a natural inclination for humans, for creatures in general, 02:08:21.097 --> 02:08:22.967 whether that be game animals. 02:08:23.467 --> 02:08:26.347 There's a reason there are game trails, because there is 02:08:26.347 --> 02:08:27.837 a path of least resistance. 02:08:28.127 --> 02:08:29.457 Other people have traveled it. 02:08:29.577 --> 02:08:33.387 It's probably going to be safe and okay. 02:08:33.387 --> 02:08:34.617 That's the place where I'm going to set up. 02:08:34.617 --> 02:08:37.656 If I'm hunting, it's going to be on the game trail, people are the same way. 02:08:38.167 --> 02:08:44.987 And that level of safety and security that people will travel down doesn't lead to 02:08:44.987 --> 02:08:49.097 great innovation and what you're pointing out as well, it really doesn't lead. 02:08:49.797 --> 02:08:52.917 To a great sense of self accomplishment or happiness. 02:08:53.247 --> 02:08:53.487 Yeah. 02:08:53.487 --> 02:08:55.837 Just to put it in perspective, like what you just said. 02:08:56.347 --> 02:08:58.887 So if you're the game and you're going down the game trail, where did you just 02:08:58.887 --> 02:09:00.817 set up your, uh, your hunting stand? 02:09:00.876 --> 02:09:01.406 You got it. 02:09:01.506 --> 02:09:02.127 On the game trail. 02:09:02.127 --> 02:09:04.107 So where are you going to pop that deer or whatever it's going to be? 02:09:04.107 --> 02:09:04.937 It's on that game trail. 02:09:04.947 --> 02:09:09.511 So it now, are there obviously reasons and what? 02:09:09.822 --> 02:09:12.862 And ways and why you should take that game trail in life in certain 02:09:12.862 --> 02:09:16.232 reasons, a hundred percent, but there has to be a portion of your 02:09:16.232 --> 02:09:19.631 life that you can be proud of this. 02:09:19.641 --> 02:09:22.712 These are the things that get you out of depression that gets you 02:09:22.802 --> 02:09:28.392 moving one step forward in front that actually make you have self worth. 02:09:28.832 --> 02:09:31.312 And that's really what you cannot be given self worth. 02:09:31.872 --> 02:09:35.002 You cannot be handed self worth. 02:09:35.292 --> 02:09:37.182 You have to create that amongst yourselves. 02:09:37.652 --> 02:09:39.952 And I feel like that is probably the biggest. 02:09:40.172 --> 02:09:41.382 Issue we're having right now. 02:09:41.382 --> 02:09:44.052 And I look at society in general is. 02:09:45.397 --> 02:09:52.227 You know, we always hear that saying good men, uh, what does it help me out here? 02:09:52.307 --> 02:09:57.607 So hard times make good men, good men, make good times, good times, make weak 02:09:57.607 --> 02:10:00.047 men, weak men, make hard times, right? 02:10:00.696 --> 02:10:05.686 And so right now we're in a place, if you look at society in general is 02:10:05.686 --> 02:10:10.327 they've never suffered as a society in the last 20 years, 30 years, 50 02:10:10.327 --> 02:10:13.197 years, really since the Vietnam war, when there was a draft, there really 02:10:13.207 --> 02:10:15.367 hasn't been an extreme hardship. 02:10:15.877 --> 02:10:16.667 Now, don't get me wrong. 02:10:16.697 --> 02:10:19.897 Obviously there's been individuals that have been on frontline and gone to war 02:10:19.897 --> 02:10:23.067 and so on and so forth, but it's never been forced on the general public. 02:10:23.107 --> 02:10:25.936 People do not know what famine is. 02:10:26.237 --> 02:10:28.587 People do not hear anyways in North America. 02:10:29.097 --> 02:10:31.867 So we are now searching for reasons to feel bad about 02:10:31.867 --> 02:10:34.056 ourselves, that this is our heart. 02:10:34.087 --> 02:10:35.816 This is our generation's hard time. 02:10:35.856 --> 02:10:39.417 You know, like, I don't know what, uh, gender I am, look at me roar. 02:10:39.417 --> 02:10:42.447 Like this is my generation's hard time. 02:10:43.632 --> 02:10:50.592 And instead we can, we don't need to have global hard times, which was 02:10:50.752 --> 02:10:54.742 unfortunately, it looks like the way we're heading in many cases to be able 02:10:54.742 --> 02:10:57.411 to make ourselves good men and women. 02:10:57.492 --> 02:11:01.432 We just need to continuously be responsible for ourselves 02:11:01.772 --> 02:11:04.932 and put ourselves through these tests and put ourselves. 02:11:05.432 --> 02:11:09.422 Forcing ourselves to do things that we may not want to do, but it's a betterment 02:11:09.442 --> 02:11:13.402 of not just our country, ourselves, our family, our society in general. 02:11:13.762 --> 02:11:16.232 And I feel like that's kind of where we've lost in translation. 02:11:16.232 --> 02:11:20.172 And unfortunately, this is one of the main reasons I love coming on these podcasts 02:11:20.172 --> 02:11:23.852 and talking about this kind of stuff is because this is what I'm trying to help 02:11:23.852 --> 02:11:28.102 and try to solve if I could at all, this would be the one, the one motivating 02:11:28.102 --> 02:11:29.592 factor that I really have right now. 02:11:29.722 --> 02:11:34.641 So Jim Shockey was talking with him recently and, uh, he says, you know, Trav. 02:11:35.582 --> 02:11:36.422 I've worked hard. 02:11:36.452 --> 02:11:39.342 I've had some pretty cool stories, great successes. 02:11:39.342 --> 02:11:45.192 I've enjoyed it along the way with my family and I've shared the trappings 02:11:45.202 --> 02:11:47.032 of my success with my family. 02:11:47.742 --> 02:11:51.242 And I'm wondering if I didn't do them a disservice, if I didn't do 02:11:51.242 --> 02:11:55.482 my kids a disservice of allowing them to succeed or fail on their 02:11:55.502 --> 02:11:57.782 own accord in certain places. 02:11:58.292 --> 02:12:01.862 And it was a very interesting thing that he was talking about. 02:12:02.192 --> 02:12:05.741 You work so hard to provide for yourself and for those that 02:12:05.752 --> 02:12:07.122 you love, those around you. 02:12:07.572 --> 02:12:11.082 But are you doing them the disservice by not allowing them to struggle? 02:12:11.082 --> 02:12:16.662 And you're just, you're mentioning, you know, the, the human struggle, 02:12:16.662 --> 02:12:17.842 there's always going to be a struggle. 02:12:17.842 --> 02:12:19.512 It's always going to be relative, right? 02:12:20.451 --> 02:12:23.361 Um, you could have everything taken from you. 02:12:24.287 --> 02:12:28.067 And still be happy and struggling alongside individuals, just like 02:12:28.067 --> 02:12:31.397 in concentration camps, Victor Frankl and his famous quote. 02:12:31.417 --> 02:12:32.457 And I've said it here before. 02:12:32.457 --> 02:12:35.397 One thing you can't take from me as a way I choose to respond to what you do 02:12:35.397 --> 02:12:38.537 to me, last of life's great freedoms is one's ability to choose their own 02:12:38.547 --> 02:12:43.197 attitude in any given circumstance, but that attitude is going to be, um, 02:12:43.277 --> 02:12:48.097 tempered by your past life experiences, by the social norms of what's going on. 02:12:48.892 --> 02:12:57.902 I would think that the, the, the hardships that people are encountering, perhaps. 02:12:58.882 --> 02:13:03.192 Aren't as the, shouldn't be diminished, whatever those hardships might be, 02:13:03.192 --> 02:13:06.522 but they should be shown a path forward to something that maybe will 02:13:06.522 --> 02:13:10.462 provide them with something that's going to be a more desirable outcome 02:13:10.472 --> 02:13:14.272 because you know, devil's hands, idle hands make for devil's work. 02:13:14.932 --> 02:13:19.731 And when there's too much idleness going on, I think you find yourself in what you 02:13:19.731 --> 02:13:23.392 and I were talking before on the phone, where you feel that there's a direction 02:13:23.392 --> 02:13:25.212 that some of the world might be heading. 02:13:25.212 --> 02:13:31.132 I think that is, um, It's not a good, it's not a good place. 02:13:32.262 --> 02:13:33.932 It, to add to that too. 02:13:33.932 --> 02:13:37.472 And I, and I don't like, I'm not even speaking really even 02:13:37.472 --> 02:13:40.742 politically, you know, I'm not the left, the right, whatever it is. 02:13:40.762 --> 02:13:43.001 There are a lot of people on both sides. 02:13:43.407 --> 02:13:49.427 Generally that are going down this path of lack of self responsibility. 02:13:50.017 --> 02:13:54.767 And what I mean by that is, is, you know, you have the far right, for 02:13:54.767 --> 02:13:57.536 example, I'd use them because I'm sure most people are going to consider 02:13:57.536 --> 02:13:59.737 us right in, in, in most aspects. 02:13:59.757 --> 02:14:00.087 Right. 02:14:00.606 --> 02:14:03.337 But there's a lot of those guys that are, you know, you would call 02:14:03.337 --> 02:14:04.727 conspiracy theorists or whatever. 02:14:04.727 --> 02:14:10.177 And even if they write or wrong, they're looking for a Messiah amongst a leader. 02:14:10.377 --> 02:14:13.197 To take care of them, you know, they're like, okay, well, we 02:14:13.197 --> 02:14:14.407 need to get rid of this guy. 02:14:14.427 --> 02:14:15.507 We need to get rid of Trudeau. 02:14:15.507 --> 02:14:16.737 We need to get rid of all these other guys. 02:14:16.987 --> 02:14:18.747 And this guy is going to save us. 02:14:18.817 --> 02:14:19.097 Right. 02:14:19.317 --> 02:14:22.707 And on the polar opposite, you have socialists, 02:14:22.727 --> 02:14:24.277 communists, whatever it may be. 02:14:24.307 --> 02:14:24.677 Right. 02:14:25.076 --> 02:14:28.557 And these guys are like, okay, well, we need to all be equal. 02:14:28.757 --> 02:14:31.537 And this person's going to save us. 02:14:31.607 --> 02:14:31.977 Right. 02:14:32.517 --> 02:14:34.817 So both sides are many aspects. 02:14:35.347 --> 02:14:39.817 Are looking for something outside of themselves to really save them. 02:14:40.127 --> 02:14:41.227 Why do you think that is? 02:14:41.777 --> 02:14:42.707 Because it's easier. 02:14:43.137 --> 02:14:43.487 Sure. 02:14:43.517 --> 02:14:44.076 Without a doubt. 02:14:44.137 --> 02:14:45.987 That is the only reason I am generally. 02:14:45.997 --> 02:14:50.746 And the reason why I say that is, is because is there lack of guidance? 02:14:50.757 --> 02:14:52.157 So do I believe in mentorship? 02:14:52.167 --> 02:14:52.557 Sure. 02:14:52.626 --> 02:14:56.097 I coach tons of people and mentorship is something that. 02:14:56.617 --> 02:14:58.007 I'm, I'm a huge believer. 02:14:58.007 --> 02:15:01.247 And I think that's really the only hack in life is to learn from somebody else 02:15:01.247 --> 02:15:02.987 that you want to emulate or be like. 02:15:03.067 --> 02:15:03.947 That's a huge life hack. 02:15:03.957 --> 02:15:04.487 Huge. 02:15:04.766 --> 02:15:10.366 Um, but I also feel like it is a lot easier to say, Hey, that person over 02:15:10.367 --> 02:15:12.027 there can make everything better. 02:15:12.572 --> 02:15:16.662 Whereas the reality is I want to be the man personally, that I'm 02:15:16.662 --> 02:15:19.592 the only one that's responsible for making my life better. 02:15:20.002 --> 02:15:20.302 Right. 02:15:20.821 --> 02:15:24.231 And so it's a difference in mentality that I've seen in 02:15:24.242 --> 02:15:25.672 most of these successful people. 02:15:25.672 --> 02:15:28.702 Like look at the people that have come from actual hardships, right? 02:15:28.921 --> 02:15:30.772 And I'm not trying to diminish people's hardships. 02:15:30.772 --> 02:15:31.801 There's definitely depression. 02:15:31.881 --> 02:15:33.331 There's definitely a lot of things out there. 02:15:33.332 --> 02:15:35.392 But if you look at people that. 02:15:35.887 --> 02:15:37.907 Have literally grown up in the streets. 02:15:37.907 --> 02:15:43.427 I have a friend of mine that now, um, is in Kelowna multimillion dollar realtor. 02:15:43.597 --> 02:15:44.667 He was homeless. 02:15:45.032 --> 02:15:47.852 Nine years ago, living in the streets, right? 02:15:48.132 --> 02:15:50.702 Went through, you know, parents had alcohol abuse, 02:15:50.702 --> 02:15:51.882 all this other kinds of stuff. 02:15:51.882 --> 02:15:54.552 Like that is a nasty story to begin with, right? 02:15:55.132 --> 02:15:59.302 But he took responsibility for the position where he is right there. 02:15:59.792 --> 02:16:01.281 Obviously that he start. 02:16:01.502 --> 02:16:03.132 At a negative for sure. 02:16:03.322 --> 02:16:05.902 But him being on the streets, there's only one person that's 02:16:05.902 --> 02:16:06.892 going to take care of that. 02:16:07.112 --> 02:16:11.861 And if somebody came along and helped them off the streets, right, that that's 02:16:11.872 --> 02:16:15.352 always a gracious, great thing to do, but he's going to end up back on the 02:16:15.352 --> 02:16:19.221 streets unless he does something to kind of fix what originally was that problem. 02:16:19.621 --> 02:16:23.752 So I feel that's for myself. 02:16:24.262 --> 02:16:31.611 It's understanding that the responsibility is solely mine is the first step to 02:16:31.622 --> 02:16:34.781 being, and even if it, one of my clients. 02:16:35.212 --> 02:16:39.192 She's, um, I won't go into too much of it, but, but she, famous 02:16:39.242 --> 02:16:43.672 model, extremely famous model, um, especially within Canada. 02:16:44.582 --> 02:16:48.382 So she has a horrific backstory, horrific, but she's very much into 02:16:48.382 --> 02:16:49.812 stoicism and all these other things. 02:16:49.831 --> 02:16:52.441 And what I mean by horrific backstory growing up as a model, 02:16:52.691 --> 02:16:56.272 she was raped multiple times, all kinds of crazy situations, right? 02:16:56.482 --> 02:16:57.422 Or twice, she said. 02:16:58.062 --> 02:17:00.462 And so she's telling me this story and she's sitting down with her 02:17:00.462 --> 02:17:02.102 psychologist and her psychiatrist. 02:17:02.877 --> 02:17:06.737 And they're basically telling her that, you know, it's okay to cry. 02:17:06.757 --> 02:17:08.397 Like, I can't believe he did this to you. 02:17:09.307 --> 02:17:15.567 In her minds, in her words, not mine, they were enabling the victim mindset. 02:17:15.697 --> 02:17:16.617 You see that a lot. 02:17:16.996 --> 02:17:17.446 Tons. 02:17:17.897 --> 02:17:21.056 So what she said to them is she's like, listen, it never. 02:17:21.317 --> 02:17:24.797 We'll change the fact that what these people did to me was horrific. 02:17:25.077 --> 02:17:26.147 It will never change that. 02:17:26.257 --> 02:17:27.187 They did that. 02:17:27.437 --> 02:17:28.827 That's on them to worry about. 02:17:28.837 --> 02:17:30.047 That's on their conscience. 02:17:30.047 --> 02:17:30.896 That's on them. 02:17:31.116 --> 02:17:31.436 Right. 02:17:31.927 --> 02:17:36.546 However, if I want to live in peace, I need to take responsibility 02:17:36.557 --> 02:17:38.017 for my portion of the action. 02:17:38.407 --> 02:17:38.727 Right. 02:17:39.026 --> 02:17:42.157 And so most of us, when she was thinking, saying this, like, all I could think 02:17:42.157 --> 02:17:43.977 about is hanging these guys by a noose. 02:17:44.227 --> 02:17:45.007 You know what I mean? 02:17:45.007 --> 02:17:47.807 Like, I think most men would think the exact same thing. 02:17:48.057 --> 02:17:50.077 What do you mean take this responsibility? 02:17:51.167 --> 02:17:53.327 How could you take responsibility for getting raped? 02:17:53.777 --> 02:17:55.007 Like, how does that even make sense? 02:17:55.447 --> 02:17:59.777 But then she says, you know what, Sean, I was drunk, I was in bad spots. 02:17:59.837 --> 02:18:01.177 I was hanging out with the wrong crowds. 02:18:01.607 --> 02:18:05.927 I put myself in this place and this is what she's telling me. 02:18:06.256 --> 02:18:08.397 And she's like, this doesn't diminish what they did to me. 02:18:08.406 --> 02:18:09.246 However. 02:18:09.827 --> 02:18:14.747 If I don't allow myself to take some responsibility for it, how can I have 02:18:14.747 --> 02:18:16.777 control going for, uh, going forward? 02:18:17.267 --> 02:18:21.007 Every day moving forward, I would have to be like, okay, anybody can 02:18:21.007 --> 02:18:22.427 attack me any single time they want. 02:18:23.607 --> 02:18:26.047 Anything, and I would live in continuous fear. 02:18:26.387 --> 02:18:30.237 So this was this groundbreaking moment for me when she's telling me this, because it 02:18:30.237 --> 02:18:33.637 makes sense, it doesn't make sense, but it makes sense at the same time is that 02:18:33.637 --> 02:18:38.797 she's enabling herself to take control simply by the fact that she's enabled, 02:18:38.947 --> 02:18:41.317 she's telling herself, well, these are the things that could have changed. 02:18:41.586 --> 02:18:45.077 These are what I'm taking responsibility for in these parts, which was 02:18:45.127 --> 02:18:47.707 something that I'm talking about today. 02:18:47.707 --> 02:18:49.007 I've never really forgot ever. 02:18:51.152 --> 02:18:53.852 Yeah, it's, it's a very powerful tool for somebody to be able 02:18:53.852 --> 02:18:56.992 to use if they want to try and control every aspect of their life. 02:18:57.022 --> 02:19:01.291 But there's also another side to that, which is the water is going 02:19:01.292 --> 02:19:02.981 to reflect your image, right? 02:19:04.801 --> 02:19:06.311 Did you make it reflect your image? 02:19:06.312 --> 02:19:07.681 Well, maybe you stepped in front of it. 02:19:07.692 --> 02:19:11.711 Maybe you have to be there, but sometimes some things just happen and we just 02:19:11.712 --> 02:19:16.282 have to understand that, um, maybe. 02:19:18.302 --> 02:19:21.042 As we move forward, having that level of control will definitely 02:19:21.042 --> 02:19:24.942 give you, uh, that sense of control, but in the same breath, being able 02:19:24.942 --> 02:19:26.311 to let go of certain things too. 02:19:26.381 --> 02:19:26.611 Totally. 02:19:26.671 --> 02:19:29.361 Because if you try and control absolutely every aspect of your life, you're going 02:19:29.362 --> 02:19:30.901 to be, you're going to be a nervous wreck. 02:19:31.012 --> 02:19:31.322 Totally. 02:19:31.772 --> 02:19:34.952 That victim mentality that's talked about is one that, um, 02:19:34.972 --> 02:19:36.212 that we see a lot in society. 02:19:36.212 --> 02:19:39.402 And one of the things that you and I had talked about before was just, you know, 02:19:39.412 --> 02:19:46.467 um, In let's say the, the listeners to the podcast, a lot of people own firearms. 02:19:46.467 --> 02:19:48.137 A lot of people are in the hunting community. 02:19:48.557 --> 02:19:52.827 A lot of people are looking for that savior to come out and say, who's going to 02:19:52.857 --> 02:19:58.866 be the one who comes and changes the laws so we can get what we want or makes it so 02:19:58.866 --> 02:20:00.877 we can hunt in whatever area it might be. 02:20:01.712 --> 02:20:06.902 And empowering the individual to have a sense of agency as to what they're 02:20:06.922 --> 02:20:08.672 actually able to affect around them. 02:20:09.262 --> 02:20:15.162 I'm, I'm not entirely sold that everybody will, uh, wait for somebody 02:20:15.162 --> 02:20:17.041 else to do it because they're lazy. 02:20:17.082 --> 02:20:20.612 I definitely think that's part of the puzzle, but I, I think there's 02:20:20.612 --> 02:20:22.452 a lot of people who are also afraid. 02:20:22.812 --> 02:20:25.962 They're afraid to step up and put their neck out or be in the 02:20:25.962 --> 02:20:27.502 forefront because they know. 02:20:27.912 --> 02:20:30.712 When you're out there, you might look behind you and see a whole bunch of 02:20:30.712 --> 02:20:32.312 people like, yeah, you're doing great. 02:20:32.312 --> 02:20:32.852 You're awesome. 02:20:32.852 --> 02:20:35.582 But the second things go sideways, you're out there in the wind. 02:20:35.812 --> 02:20:40.162 So that takes a certain amount of mental, emotional strength for an 02:20:40.162 --> 02:20:44.122 individual to, to, to make these changes. 02:20:44.251 --> 02:20:45.251 I agree a hundred percent. 02:20:45.552 --> 02:20:51.712 And yeah, it, it's a combination of it's easier to vote for somebody or to be 02:20:51.922 --> 02:20:54.332 that somebody, a combination of fear. 02:20:54.662 --> 02:20:55.722 A lot of times though. 02:20:56.232 --> 02:20:57.222 Especially in business. 02:20:57.962 --> 02:21:00.002 And I would say it's even to do with this as well. 02:21:00.652 --> 02:21:03.522 Fear is based a lot on ego. 02:21:04.092 --> 02:21:06.212 And what I mean by that is not confidence. 02:21:06.222 --> 02:21:09.522 It's not that type of ego, but fear and ego play a role. 02:21:09.592 --> 02:21:11.992 So I'll give you an example when it comes to even what 02:21:11.992 --> 02:21:13.042 you're talking about right now. 02:21:13.192 --> 02:21:13.402 But. 02:21:13.887 --> 02:21:18.637 More so even in like real estate and sales and real estate, we're always out there 02:21:18.937 --> 02:21:23.787 door knocking, cold calling, doing things that make most people uncomfortable. 02:21:24.147 --> 02:21:24.427 Right. 02:21:25.117 --> 02:21:27.337 And why do they make you uncomfortable? 02:21:27.337 --> 02:21:30.186 Because somebody is going to reject you, right? 02:21:30.207 --> 02:21:33.337 Somebody is going to, in your mind, think differently of you. 02:21:33.387 --> 02:21:34.407 And why does that affect you? 02:21:34.407 --> 02:21:35.717 Because it hurts your ego. 02:21:36.027 --> 02:21:37.697 It makes you feel like less of a person. 02:21:38.147 --> 02:21:42.986 And this is the same kind of thing is why don't we stand up for our gun rights? 02:21:43.112 --> 02:21:46.372 Personally, why don't we post something on social media? 02:21:46.682 --> 02:21:51.492 You know, why aren't more, because funny enough, I know tons of business 02:21:51.492 --> 02:21:57.142 people that all own firearms that are very more of like vote conservative 02:21:57.142 --> 02:21:59.912 or whatever you want to say, but they would never post any of that 02:21:59.912 --> 02:22:02.712 kind of stuff on their public forums. 02:22:03.342 --> 02:22:06.872 And the reason for that is like you said, it's fear of loss. 02:22:06.882 --> 02:22:08.672 It's fear of I'm going to lose customer base. 02:22:08.672 --> 02:22:12.122 It's fear I'm going to, you know, um, say something that will. 02:22:12.817 --> 02:22:14.407 Uh, jeopardize my business. 02:22:14.417 --> 02:22:17.487 It's a fear of loss of losing my, my, my home. 02:22:17.517 --> 02:22:20.347 It's an all fear relates to death in one way or another. 02:22:20.347 --> 02:22:21.796 We cycle through all these things. 02:22:21.797 --> 02:22:25.267 And you know, one of the clear things they say is like, okay, well, if I 02:22:25.267 --> 02:22:27.267 say this, and this is how our minds. 02:22:27.832 --> 02:22:32.362 Subconsciously work, if I knock on this door and they reject me, I'm 02:22:32.362 --> 02:22:34.932 never going to get another sale, which means I'm never going to have money, 02:22:34.932 --> 02:22:36.071 which means I'm going to go bankrupt. 02:22:36.072 --> 02:22:37.642 I'm not going to be able to eat and I'm going to die. 02:22:37.782 --> 02:22:41.622 Like this is how we cycle through these processes if we like it or not. 02:22:41.902 --> 02:22:42.252 Right. 02:22:42.761 --> 02:22:48.342 And so to back to what you're saying, and I, and I'm in a complete agreement 02:22:48.452 --> 02:22:52.262 is why is it that we are afraid? 02:22:52.517 --> 02:22:57.697 To, to make a stand or not even to make a stand, just make a personal statement. 02:22:58.207 --> 02:23:01.017 And I feel like it's because we have this fear of loss. 02:23:01.417 --> 02:23:05.236 And then the other reason is unfortunately, because we don't own a lot 02:23:05.237 --> 02:23:09.247 of the media stations and we don't own like what I say, we is like the people 02:23:09.247 --> 02:23:12.616 that in the same type of thought pattern that we're talking about right now. 02:23:13.216 --> 02:23:16.277 And so we don't have a lot of standard backing. 02:23:16.722 --> 02:23:20.282 And we don't back each other as much as we should, and as much as a lot of the 02:23:20.302 --> 02:23:22.522 others do, or the opposite opinions do. 02:23:22.952 --> 02:23:26.602 And so, like you said, there might be, it'd be like, oh yeah, go for it. 02:23:26.602 --> 02:23:27.502 Go get them guys. 02:23:27.522 --> 02:23:32.641 And then all of a sudden you're on TV and now you become some sort of gun 02:23:32.662 --> 02:23:37.172 toting maniac or something like that, because you support firearms, all of a 02:23:37.172 --> 02:23:41.292 sudden that, that choir that was behind you silences pretty quick, that support. 02:23:41.922 --> 02:23:42.992 There's a guy who was. 02:23:43.057 --> 02:23:45.447 Seeing him recently, I guess he's got quite the following 02:23:45.447 --> 02:23:47.977 and I'm not sure who he was. 02:23:48.017 --> 02:23:49.397 Maybe I should have known who this guy was. 02:23:49.407 --> 02:23:53.937 Asian fellow says, um, I tweeted or posted saying, you know, I, 02:23:53.956 --> 02:23:55.467 I liked the Joe Rogan podcast. 02:23:55.467 --> 02:23:55.717 Right. 02:23:55.796 --> 02:23:57.687 And I just re shared that one. 02:23:57.687 --> 02:23:58.137 That's so funny. 02:23:58.137 --> 02:23:58.486 You said that. 02:23:58.777 --> 02:23:59.536 So there you go. 02:23:59.607 --> 02:24:01.027 So I don't know who that fellow was. 02:24:01.036 --> 02:24:02.177 Should I know who that person is? 02:24:02.206 --> 02:24:02.506 No. 02:24:02.557 --> 02:24:02.737 Okay. 02:24:03.427 --> 02:24:06.697 So he says, I liked the Joe Rogan podcast immediately lost like 02:24:06.697 --> 02:24:11.357 15, 000 followers and people are like, you, you got, you got to. 02:24:11.537 --> 02:24:12.797 Take that post down. 02:24:12.797 --> 02:24:15.927 You can't put that out to people he does work with or telling them to change it. 02:24:15.927 --> 02:24:19.107 And he's like, no, they they're calling them racist. 02:24:19.107 --> 02:24:20.287 They're calling them right wing. 02:24:21.167 --> 02:24:23.177 I don't agree with everything the guy says. 02:24:23.207 --> 02:24:26.716 I just enjoyed listening to this episode and I, and I liked it, but 02:24:26.716 --> 02:24:28.827 no, no, I'm not going to change that. 02:24:28.827 --> 02:24:30.057 I'm not going to take that post down. 02:24:30.057 --> 02:24:33.317 I'm, I'm not making a stance so to speak, but I'm also not going 02:24:33.317 --> 02:24:38.507 to just kowtow to the masses so that it makes you feel happy. 02:24:38.527 --> 02:24:41.246 If someone's got a fire in them and they've got a. 02:24:42.342 --> 02:24:47.612 A desire to share something with the rest of the world or their close 02:24:47.612 --> 02:24:49.072 friends or whoever it might be. 02:24:49.482 --> 02:24:50.882 Who is it for everybody else? 02:24:50.902 --> 02:24:52.772 Provided they're doing this in a positive way. 02:24:52.772 --> 02:24:54.222 They're not hurting other people. 02:24:54.232 --> 02:24:57.252 They're doing things that are going to be, uh, hopefully 02:24:57.271 --> 02:25:00.102 moving towards a better place. 02:25:00.222 --> 02:25:03.182 Who is it for everyone to say, well, we like that you're trying to be positive, 02:25:03.182 --> 02:25:04.772 but here's the proper way to do it. 02:25:05.002 --> 02:25:05.352 Right. 02:25:05.742 --> 02:25:09.872 Well, and, and the, unfortunately what it is too, is, and I agree with 02:25:09.872 --> 02:25:14.742 you, everything you're saying is, unfortunately right now there's. 02:25:15.292 --> 02:25:17.702 There's not enough support for people that do that. 02:25:18.092 --> 02:25:18.402 Right. 02:25:18.452 --> 02:25:20.812 And I'll give you an example, right? 02:25:20.932 --> 02:25:25.952 I am, everybody in my brokerage knows I'm very conservative, vote conservative, 02:25:25.981 --> 02:25:28.722 not to get too political, but whatever, but that's my political stance. 02:25:28.722 --> 02:25:29.042 Sure. 02:25:30.132 --> 02:25:33.411 I have somebody that ran for the NDP MLA. 02:25:34.052 --> 02:25:37.332 In one of our constitutes, and I have no problem with that. 02:25:37.772 --> 02:25:41.552 I'm the kind of guy that if we can have an intelligent debate or talk or whatever, 02:25:41.552 --> 02:25:45.392 or decide not to talk politics, I'm okay, I'm a human being, and I'm going 02:25:45.392 --> 02:25:47.232 to treat you like a human being, right? 02:25:47.682 --> 02:25:50.542 Unfortunately, right now, we're so polarized. 02:25:50.802 --> 02:25:54.522 And I'm not going to blame one side or the other, but we're so polarized that we 02:25:54.522 --> 02:25:56.892 can't even have an expression of thought. 02:25:57.482 --> 02:26:01.442 And once we lose this expression of thought, then all of a sudden we 02:26:01.442 --> 02:26:05.542 start going downhill into so many different things that lead nowhere good. 02:26:06.012 --> 02:26:09.837 And I think like the first thing, just like that gentleman said, Is 02:26:09.837 --> 02:26:13.447 that there needs to be more people that just stand up for the freedom of 02:26:13.447 --> 02:26:17.657 expression of thought and the freedom of expression of verbalizing those 02:26:17.667 --> 02:26:21.717 things that you're thinking and getting your opinion out there one side. 02:26:21.717 --> 02:26:23.007 It's okay to do the other side. 02:26:23.007 --> 02:26:28.002 Not so much apparently right now, but We need to also support those that say, 02:26:28.022 --> 02:26:31.782 and on both sides, if you agree or don't agree with them, it doesn't mean we need 02:26:31.782 --> 02:26:33.892 to tear everybody else to bring them down. 02:26:34.072 --> 02:26:34.552 You know what I mean? 02:26:34.592 --> 02:26:37.882 We just need to have everybody have an opportunity to say 02:26:37.882 --> 02:26:43.342 what they think equally without automatically throwing labels into it. 02:26:43.351 --> 02:26:46.582 For example, like now, you know, and he's an Asian American guy. 02:26:46.672 --> 02:26:47.642 Now he's racist. 02:26:47.682 --> 02:26:48.362 Now he's a bigot. 02:26:48.392 --> 02:26:50.402 Now he's whatever, because he watches the show. 02:26:50.842 --> 02:26:54.682 And unfortunately we take too many things on both sides and even. 02:26:55.517 --> 02:26:58.337 You know, I'm, I'm just going to play the devil's advocate on this, even the 02:26:58.337 --> 02:27:01.647 right side, as soon as somebody says something about universal healthcare or 02:27:01.647 --> 02:27:04.627 whatever, and this is just their opinion, they're automatically a communist. 02:27:05.007 --> 02:27:05.607 Do you know what I mean? 02:27:05.967 --> 02:27:09.137 And obviously on the other side, if you like Joe Rogan, you're a 02:27:09.227 --> 02:27:11.136 fascist or whatever it is, right? 02:27:11.527 --> 02:27:14.977 I think we need to stop labeling these things and just understand this 02:27:14.987 --> 02:27:17.457 conversation and support the conversation. 02:27:17.647 --> 02:27:22.037 The art of civil discourse seems to be a bit of a lost art, the 02:27:22.037 --> 02:27:27.277 ability to separate Argument from the individual seems to be lost. 02:27:27.277 --> 02:27:30.437 And I don't think that's an unintentional consequence. 02:27:30.917 --> 02:27:36.637 I think there is, I think there's a lot of power to having people sidle up 02:27:36.907 --> 02:27:41.087 their personality, their persona, their ego, and all the rest with whatever 02:27:41.097 --> 02:27:43.217 their, their thoughts are at the time. 02:27:43.947 --> 02:27:49.027 Um, it's a good way to be able to, um, affect. 02:27:49.267 --> 02:27:54.177 Change, whether that's positive or, or a negative change in the masses 02:27:54.177 --> 02:27:58.217 is to be able to have people identify in certain groups where you can 02:27:58.217 --> 02:28:00.397 start separating and dividing and. 02:28:00.952 --> 02:28:06.032 It's not always coming from a place of, of, uh, of evil quite often. 02:28:06.032 --> 02:28:09.652 It's coming from a place of, of wanting to do the right thing. 02:28:09.652 --> 02:28:13.082 They see here's an altruistic idea of where society could be 02:28:13.082 --> 02:28:14.521 or what we should be able to do. 02:28:14.802 --> 02:28:17.722 Wouldn't it be great if we didn't have any guns? 02:28:17.762 --> 02:28:21.971 Wouldn't it be great if we didn't have any drugs and we wouldn't have drug problems. 02:28:21.971 --> 02:28:22.771 We wouldn't have. 02:28:23.247 --> 02:28:27.027 Uh, violence in the streets that are firearms related. 02:28:27.547 --> 02:28:30.347 And that, that sounds fantastic, right? 02:28:30.457 --> 02:28:33.447 But the reality is a lot more nuanced than that, than that. 02:28:33.467 --> 02:28:38.636 And the reality of the effect of that is never, never seems to prove 02:28:38.636 --> 02:28:41.807 out in the way that an individual tries to, to push it forward. 02:28:41.807 --> 02:28:42.067 So. 02:28:42.797 --> 02:28:46.767 Separating you as an individual from some of the things that you 02:28:46.767 --> 02:28:52.376 might be saying, I think is a skill, which, and you're talking about 02:28:52.376 --> 02:28:56.957 stoicism, which is starting to come back into fashion out of necessity. 02:28:57.166 --> 02:28:57.446 Yeah. 02:28:58.067 --> 02:29:02.646 And you can see that with, you know, Joe Rogan, for example, I mean, he gets 02:29:02.647 --> 02:29:04.886 more views than CNN does now, right? 02:29:04.886 --> 02:29:08.997 So you're starting to see some positive momentum, even friends. 02:29:08.997 --> 02:29:10.787 I was like, as I mentioned, I was just in LA. 02:29:11.617 --> 02:29:17.857 The gentleman I was meeting with, um, staunch lefter, if you want to call 02:29:17.867 --> 02:29:23.827 it that, um, he's now started, he considers himself middle because, which 02:29:23.937 --> 02:29:26.076 he says in terms puts him to the right. 02:29:26.446 --> 02:29:28.116 And it's just because he's seen. 02:29:28.297 --> 02:29:30.957 All the looting, all the things that are happening. 02:29:30.967 --> 02:29:34.617 He's going through a court case right now because of the civil 02:29:34.617 --> 02:29:38.537 laws in, uh, California that just make absolutely no sense. 02:29:38.557 --> 02:29:43.696 And he literally is going to have to pay somebody a hundred thousand us, um, 02:29:43.727 --> 02:29:45.667 for hiring somebody that lied to them. 02:29:45.757 --> 02:29:48.277 But the only reason he has to do that is cause he's going to win. 02:29:48.287 --> 02:29:52.937 But if he loses by 1, if he's owed this person 1, he's got to cover both 02:29:52.937 --> 02:29:55.526 legal expenses, which is 600, 000. 02:29:55.527 --> 02:29:56.177 End cost. 02:29:56.247 --> 02:29:56.857 End cost. 02:29:56.907 --> 02:29:57.297 So. 02:29:57.807 --> 02:30:01.187 For him, he's just like, okay, this is, you know, we've turned into a 02:30:01.187 --> 02:30:05.367 society where I can literally get a job, sue somebody and live off that. 02:30:05.427 --> 02:30:07.737 That's now my new job is suing people. 02:30:08.126 --> 02:30:13.317 So I feel like you're starting to notice that where that original idea 02:30:13.317 --> 02:30:17.097 came from of, you know, those end costs and so on and so forth, like you said, 02:30:17.167 --> 02:30:22.237 altruistic idea, you don't want the poor not to be able to afford to do justice. 02:30:22.287 --> 02:30:22.677 Right. 02:30:23.097 --> 02:30:25.877 But what we've done is we've attached too much emotion. 02:30:26.222 --> 02:30:28.672 To a lot of these processes, right? 02:30:28.712 --> 02:30:30.722 We've attached too much emotion to politics. 02:30:30.722 --> 02:30:33.562 We've attached too much emotion to most things and it's based on our 02:30:33.562 --> 02:30:35.802 feelings, not based on logic anymore. 02:30:37.052 --> 02:30:40.612 And I feel like that is one of our biggest differentiators. 02:30:41.482 --> 02:30:46.751 I feel like growing up or I'll give a perfect example. 02:30:46.751 --> 02:30:52.952 This is a little bit, uh, off topic, but right now. 02:30:53.262 --> 02:30:53.552 So. 02:30:53.967 --> 02:30:57.397 Our grandparents, the population was about two and a half billion people 02:30:58.117 --> 02:30:59.617 back in like the forties and fifties. 02:30:59.677 --> 02:31:01.057 Now we're close to 8 billion. 02:31:02.327 --> 02:31:06.787 Um, now because the population, you would think that the 02:31:06.787 --> 02:31:10.077 competition would be significantly higher to do well in business. 02:31:10.406 --> 02:31:10.726 Right. 02:31:11.297 --> 02:31:14.697 But then also you have now eight people, 8 billion people, half of which are 02:31:14.697 --> 02:31:18.337 in middle class, maybe one third of which are middle class to sell to. 02:31:18.517 --> 02:31:18.827 Right. 02:31:20.057 --> 02:31:23.437 In this specific time, you would think it would be more or less even 02:31:23.657 --> 02:31:27.827 on how easy it is to become wealthy or how easy it is to create a business. 02:31:28.537 --> 02:31:33.576 The reality is this is the easiest time it has ever been to become wealthy. 02:31:33.707 --> 02:31:36.566 And it's not just because of social media and the fact that you can become 02:31:36.566 --> 02:31:38.847 famous, basically on your own accord. 02:31:38.847 --> 02:31:42.227 You don't have to go through whatever it's because of the mentality of 02:31:42.227 --> 02:31:44.897 these people and where, where. 02:31:45.532 --> 02:31:50.052 The majority of the masses are not willing to disassociate their emotion, 02:31:50.092 --> 02:31:56.122 are not willing to disassociate, um, the things that make them feel upset 02:31:56.142 --> 02:31:59.882 and just do the work, do the actions, do the things to become successful. 02:32:00.102 --> 02:32:02.012 So that's why you're seeing a massive. 02:32:02.387 --> 02:32:06.967 A wealth gap between the, you know, the percenters and everybody else 02:32:07.197 --> 02:32:12.057 is because they're taking a massive proportionate advantage by outworking, 02:32:12.067 --> 02:32:15.047 creating these systems and doing the things other people don't want to do. 02:32:15.926 --> 02:32:20.287 And so I, my general opinion is, is that if we can shift that 02:32:20.297 --> 02:32:23.327 mindset and you're right, there is a shift coming, you can see. 02:32:23.522 --> 02:32:24.882 It, it, it happening. 02:32:24.882 --> 02:32:29.182 People are starting to get fed up with, you know, like the laws in California 02:32:29.182 --> 02:32:32.572 where I think it's under 50 bucks, you can steal anything and you're never going 02:32:32.572 --> 02:32:36.272 to get charged or whatever it is like all these, yeah, it's literally people 02:32:36.272 --> 02:32:39.722 are walking in and stealing 49 worth of stuff and they can't do anything about it. 02:32:40.067 --> 02:32:40.407 Hmm. 02:32:40.527 --> 02:32:44.397 You have major institutions moving out of Calgary or sorry, major 02:32:44.397 --> 02:32:46.417 institutions moving out of California. 02:32:46.417 --> 02:32:50.146 You're seeing that there has never been such a massive shift from 02:32:50.147 --> 02:32:53.457 California to places like Texas and Florida and so on and so forth, 02:32:54.036 --> 02:32:56.197 because this governance is creating. 02:32:56.802 --> 02:32:57.142 Right. 02:32:57.212 --> 02:33:02.672 And it's, and remember, we always blame government and we always do, but the 02:33:02.672 --> 02:33:04.892 reality is it, government is our blame. 02:33:04.932 --> 02:33:05.322 That's right. 02:33:05.322 --> 02:33:05.522 Right. 02:33:05.522 --> 02:33:06.732 We're the ones that voted that in. 02:33:06.742 --> 02:33:07.592 That's the lifestyle. 02:33:07.592 --> 02:33:08.352 That's the society. 02:33:08.352 --> 02:33:09.621 That's what we asked for. 02:33:09.832 --> 02:33:10.182 Right. 02:33:10.591 --> 02:33:14.582 So we got to be very careful what we ask for and what we're going to put on the 02:33:14.582 --> 02:33:17.942 government versus what we're going to have to take responsibility for, for ourselves. 02:33:20.442 --> 02:33:23.082 So my mind's racing. 02:33:23.092 --> 02:33:26.022 I've got a few different things, perhaps what I'll do is I'll just 02:33:26.032 --> 02:33:29.172 follow up on a few things that you said previously, and you're talking 02:33:29.172 --> 02:33:33.862 about, you know, fear of death and ego, and that's causing indecisions. 02:33:33.912 --> 02:33:34.971 Have you heard this story? 02:33:34.972 --> 02:33:35.911 There is no tiger. 02:33:36.272 --> 02:33:36.592 No. 02:33:36.732 --> 02:33:37.212 Okay. 02:33:37.292 --> 02:33:42.032 Um, guy goes, has a terrible day at work, does a sales thing with 02:33:42.032 --> 02:33:46.701 his boss watch and absolutely dive bombs, crashes, burns, right? 02:33:47.412 --> 02:33:49.011 On an out of town trip. 02:33:49.011 --> 02:33:51.621 And anyways, at night he goes down to the bar. 02:33:53.032 --> 02:33:57.192 Empty place, except for the bartender in there and talking with her. 02:33:57.232 --> 02:34:04.422 She's a real tough Polish woman and makes him up a, uh, makes him up a martini. 02:34:04.422 --> 02:34:07.791 And, uh, he looks and he says, you know, this is a time when people 02:34:07.802 --> 02:34:11.022 having tattoos, particularly women, it wasn't a common thing. 02:34:11.022 --> 02:34:14.592 And she's got a, it looks like basically a prison tattoo she gave herself. 02:34:14.592 --> 02:34:17.412 And, uh, and, uh, he says, oh, what is that? 02:34:17.412 --> 02:34:18.622 He says, oh, it's this. 02:34:18.997 --> 02:34:22.947 There is no tigers, what we say and where I'm from. 02:34:22.947 --> 02:34:25.677 She says, he says, and I don't get it. 02:34:25.687 --> 02:34:27.977 She says, well, you know, back in the day, people were running 02:34:27.977 --> 02:34:31.527 from tigers and getting eaten by bears and falling through ice. 02:34:31.527 --> 02:34:36.127 And death was a very real consequence of day to day living. 02:34:37.106 --> 02:34:39.057 She says, there is no tiger. 02:34:39.137 --> 02:34:40.147 There's no longer a tiger. 02:34:40.147 --> 02:34:44.417 And he's like, you know what, uh, totally applies to me and my situation right 02:34:44.417 --> 02:34:48.256 now where I was absolutely devastated and everything was falling apart on me. 02:34:48.947 --> 02:34:49.237 Okay. 02:34:49.237 --> 02:34:51.047 I bombed that sucked. 02:34:51.277 --> 02:34:52.187 There is no tiger. 02:34:52.357 --> 02:34:52.677 Right. 02:34:52.687 --> 02:34:55.967 And so, and that's something that, uh, I'll, I'll say to myself 02:34:55.967 --> 02:34:56.977 or I'll say to others, right. 02:34:56.977 --> 02:34:59.327 If they're having a bad day or something's going, not the 02:34:59.327 --> 02:35:00.556 way they figured it should be. 02:35:00.706 --> 02:35:01.507 There is no tiger. 02:35:02.777 --> 02:35:04.587 And that's awesome perspective. 02:35:04.587 --> 02:35:05.337 I love that story. 02:35:05.567 --> 02:35:08.967 It's, it's funny that you mentioned that. 02:35:08.967 --> 02:35:13.997 So, uh, getting into my, you know, mid thirties, things are 02:35:14.007 --> 02:35:18.286 changing, obviously, uh, body wise, hormonal wise, all that stuff. 02:35:18.287 --> 02:35:19.357 So I went to go get blood tests. 02:35:19.837 --> 02:35:24.157 And in my blood tests, it showed up that my cortisol levels were pretty high. 02:35:24.157 --> 02:35:26.337 And this is before I kind of got back into the training and 02:35:26.337 --> 02:35:27.407 everything like that as well. 02:35:27.936 --> 02:35:31.837 So the doctor that I have, awesome guy, I go to him. 02:35:31.837 --> 02:35:33.676 I'm like, Hey, so what does this mean? 02:35:33.766 --> 02:35:35.896 He's like, it means simply you're stressed out. 02:35:35.996 --> 02:35:38.627 This cortisol is more or less like the flight of. 02:35:38.992 --> 02:35:41.142 Fight response chemical for your body. 02:35:41.712 --> 02:35:45.172 And he was giving me this, I did some research on it as well, but he was 02:35:45.172 --> 02:35:49.392 giving me this entire backstory on why this exists and you know, why it 02:35:49.392 --> 02:35:51.012 is brought up and so on and so forth. 02:35:51.022 --> 02:35:54.682 So it was basically. 02:35:54.907 --> 02:35:58.607 When we were getting attacked by those lions, tigers, bears, whatever it was 02:35:58.607 --> 02:36:01.527 in the past, this was a hormone that was released to kind of protect us, 02:36:01.527 --> 02:36:04.477 give us cushioning, do this, all this store fats, all this other kind of 02:36:04.477 --> 02:36:11.706 stuff and certain doses, it's absolutely necessary that we have to have, right? 02:36:12.166 --> 02:36:13.661 But majority of us. 02:36:13.822 --> 02:36:16.402 It ends up killing us faster than more or less anything else. 02:36:16.452 --> 02:36:18.672 And it's funny being of Hungarian heritage. 02:36:18.672 --> 02:36:21.582 One of the things that they invented was the theory of stress. 02:36:21.841 --> 02:36:25.031 So I figured I was like genetically prone to it, I guess, if we knew all 02:36:25.311 --> 02:36:28.062 about, about stressing it of itself. 02:36:28.642 --> 02:36:32.302 And the funny thing is, is I genuinely don't ever really feel stress. 02:36:32.352 --> 02:36:34.902 Like even when I went out to fight, a lot of the guys used to call 02:36:34.912 --> 02:36:37.832 me Iceman as a joke, because I just had a very stoic face on it. 02:36:37.922 --> 02:36:41.892 I wasn't, I was not really scared or obviously you have some nerves and stuff. 02:36:41.892 --> 02:36:43.082 That would be lying if I wasn't. 02:36:43.127 --> 02:36:47.287 But I was never really stressed, but apparently business life, everything 02:36:47.287 --> 02:36:51.557 in general plays a subconscious stress, even on you before you think about it. 02:36:51.567 --> 02:36:56.547 So understanding, and this is what I've been able to lower my 02:36:56.547 --> 02:37:00.766 stress levels through exercise, food, as well as just mental talk. 02:37:00.847 --> 02:37:01.227 Right. 02:37:01.607 --> 02:37:04.767 Is I did a lot of like transcendental meditation and all these other things. 02:37:04.767 --> 02:37:07.937 And they work, everything works as long as you, you do it right. 02:37:07.977 --> 02:37:11.417 I do the cold showers and all that kind of stuff now too, but. 02:37:11.772 --> 02:37:17.072 Uh, for myself, it's understanding and being real with your situation. 02:37:17.392 --> 02:37:20.941 And one of the things that I say, um, and one of the things that's 02:37:20.942 --> 02:37:26.401 in, uh, um, stoicism is that understanding that your fate, 02:37:26.432 --> 02:37:28.292 understanding that you will die, right? 02:37:28.512 --> 02:37:29.342 Memento mori. 02:37:29.342 --> 02:37:29.811 Exactly. 02:37:29.921 --> 02:37:30.512 Memento mori. 02:37:30.812 --> 02:37:31.612 And so. 02:37:31.997 --> 02:37:35.597 Once you understand that and you realize, and it's a lot to do with 02:37:35.597 --> 02:37:40.057 this story that, okay, this is, you start noticing the things you say, 02:37:40.077 --> 02:37:41.717 this is the worst day of my life. 02:37:42.237 --> 02:37:43.787 Oh shit, everything's collapsing. 02:37:43.796 --> 02:37:46.137 Like, I can't believe this person did that to me. 02:37:46.407 --> 02:37:49.747 All these other things, this self talk is something that we're all of 02:37:49.747 --> 02:37:52.057 a sudden spiking our cortisol levels. 02:37:52.087 --> 02:37:56.767 We're spiking this, we are creating more than they've even done to us. 02:37:57.882 --> 02:37:59.842 So it is very rare. 02:37:59.872 --> 02:38:03.352 And obviously you have all kinds of awesome guys, like seven, so and so forth 02:38:03.352 --> 02:38:06.982 on here that have had guns pointed at them that are in front lines that are 02:38:06.992 --> 02:38:12.872 having to be shot and shot at kind of thing, or shoot at shot at the reality 02:38:12.872 --> 02:38:16.472 is even those guys, it's few and far between they're, they're training to 02:38:16.472 --> 02:38:20.292 remove that stress from their lives and to be consistent and in that process, 02:38:20.792 --> 02:38:24.482 but do regular people, quote unquote, do us as business professionals. 02:38:24.802 --> 02:38:28.872 Train and learn how to manage that stress and how to manage, you know, 02:38:28.882 --> 02:38:32.652 like the story you were just saying to have a realization that everything's 02:38:32.652 --> 02:38:34.362 going sideways, but I'm still breathing. 02:38:35.262 --> 02:38:35.622 Do you know? 02:38:35.661 --> 02:38:40.512 And I think that is something that once you start managing that, it 02:38:40.512 --> 02:38:43.481 gives you a clearer picture to be able to make decisions down the line. 02:38:44.331 --> 02:38:49.472 So with the yin and yang of life, the highs and lows, the ups 02:38:49.472 --> 02:38:52.022 and flows that will take place. 02:38:53.022 --> 02:38:56.882 If things are going really well for you at the moment, and they definitely 02:38:56.882 --> 02:39:02.032 seem to be, um, what did the lows look like and how'd you deal with that? 02:39:02.722 --> 02:39:06.962 So as you, I think you mentioned before, I almost went bankrupt 02:39:06.972 --> 02:39:08.931 twice early in my career. 02:39:09.271 --> 02:39:12.241 Um, I've never had real financial backing. 02:39:12.502 --> 02:39:15.322 I can say my dad wants, cause I just have a different mentality. 02:39:15.332 --> 02:39:16.132 He saved me. 02:39:16.132 --> 02:39:19.822 I was, I had a 27, 000 credit card debt when I was like 25 02:39:19.822 --> 02:39:20.862 years old or something like that. 02:39:21.892 --> 02:39:24.242 So I just told my dad, I'm like, listen, I'm going to go into this work. 02:39:24.242 --> 02:39:25.212 This is how I'm going to do it. 02:39:25.832 --> 02:39:26.542 Pay off my card. 02:39:26.592 --> 02:39:28.962 I'm going to pay you back a monthly payment at 6% interest. 02:39:29.802 --> 02:39:33.342 And so next to that though, the entire time, it's all been on my own. 02:39:33.382 --> 02:39:36.301 It's every dollar I've spent from the cars I bought, et cetera. 02:39:36.942 --> 02:39:42.192 So there were times where, without a doubt, because I'm, I'm kind of 02:39:42.192 --> 02:39:45.812 like a little bit of a hypomanic, so I do have highs and lows. 02:39:46.031 --> 02:39:47.352 I don't need much sleep. 02:39:47.772 --> 02:39:48.771 I enjoy work. 02:39:48.781 --> 02:39:52.801 I enjoy being out there and doing things, but. 02:39:54.052 --> 02:39:57.532 I try to keep everything now, even keel. 02:39:57.572 --> 02:40:00.772 And what I mean by that is the highs that I may be experiencing 02:40:00.772 --> 02:40:03.322 right now, or the highs that I may be experiencing in the future. 02:40:03.672 --> 02:40:07.332 I understand that these are just moments in time right now as well, right? 02:40:07.342 --> 02:40:10.391 There is a possibility as we were talking about right now, I'm just in the process 02:40:10.902 --> 02:40:15.382 of basically putting all my cards into one basket or all my eggs into one basket. 02:40:15.732 --> 02:40:19.202 I'm just about to, you know, buy out my, my business partner. 02:40:19.621 --> 02:40:22.221 Um, so it's all in it's, it's, it's. 02:40:22.737 --> 02:40:25.497 You know, most of my wealth or whatever I've accumulated is 02:40:25.507 --> 02:40:27.047 going to be put into this project. 02:40:27.047 --> 02:40:32.707 So I may in two years from now, start working for you, you know what I mean? 02:40:32.757 --> 02:40:35.897 It may happen, but the point is, is that. 02:40:36.757 --> 02:40:40.467 I feel like when you're in those lows, having the understanding that 02:40:40.467 --> 02:40:44.557 you can kind of work through this and continue to go and be more in that 02:40:44.557 --> 02:40:48.306 moment of what I need to do today, not worry about where I am today. 02:40:48.977 --> 02:40:52.566 And then at the same time, when you're in those highs, understanding that, you 02:40:52.566 --> 02:40:53.747 know, I shouldn't be out there partying. 02:40:53.747 --> 02:40:54.527 I shouldn't be out there. 02:40:55.507 --> 02:40:57.627 It's not that you can't enjoy your success. 02:40:58.077 --> 02:41:01.117 It's just also understanding that it could be limited and this 02:41:01.257 --> 02:41:03.627 success does not define who you are. 02:41:03.946 --> 02:41:04.807 You are you. 02:41:05.237 --> 02:41:05.537 Right. 02:41:05.957 --> 02:41:10.007 What defines you of, if, if any portion of success that defines 02:41:10.007 --> 02:41:13.267 you, it's the fact that what you did to get to that point, right? 02:41:13.287 --> 02:41:17.137 The work, the daily habits, the things, it's not the car, it's not the money. 02:41:17.137 --> 02:41:18.296 Cause we talked about that before. 02:41:18.567 --> 02:41:23.307 If I go win the lottery tomorrow, are people going to, people aside, am I 02:41:23.327 --> 02:41:25.796 going to respect myself as a millionaire? 02:41:27.556 --> 02:41:28.226 Absolutely not. 02:41:28.982 --> 02:41:29.952 I didn't create that. 02:41:30.082 --> 02:41:30.432 Right. 02:41:30.702 --> 02:41:34.182 So I think that, that is the differential point. 02:41:34.192 --> 02:41:36.972 Like I've had lows within the last couple of years and I'm just like, 02:41:36.972 --> 02:41:42.051 okay, the good thing about success, the good thing about doing difficult 02:41:42.062 --> 02:41:45.882 things and overcoming those difficult things, once you've done enough of those. 02:41:46.047 --> 02:41:49.577 You also start getting a pretty good understanding that, Hey, I've 02:41:49.577 --> 02:41:50.927 gone through difficult things. 02:41:51.137 --> 02:41:53.087 These are things that I've overcome. 02:41:53.327 --> 02:41:55.607 These are the things that I'm the most proud of. 02:41:55.677 --> 02:41:58.157 You know, was I proud of fighting in the cage? 02:41:58.167 --> 02:42:01.666 A hundred percent, but it wasn't the cage that I was proud of. 02:42:01.696 --> 02:42:03.396 It was all the work leading up to it. 02:42:03.676 --> 02:42:04.026 Right. 02:42:04.426 --> 02:42:05.167 So I feel like. 02:42:05.812 --> 02:42:11.342 I try to purposely put myself through as many difficult things as I possibly can, 02:42:11.762 --> 02:42:15.702 even daily going, you know, I did 20k run this morning, all this kind of stuff. 02:42:16.552 --> 02:42:20.162 It, it just primes me for like, wow, that is truly difficult. 02:42:20.442 --> 02:42:23.362 You know, going through work in the day to day life, that is not 02:42:23.362 --> 02:42:24.922 difficult as what it could be. 02:42:26.262 --> 02:42:29.842 I think that's kind of my mentality when it comes to the ups and ups and 02:42:29.842 --> 02:42:34.042 downs is just keeping a more even keel and realizing that the things that have 02:42:34.042 --> 02:42:37.992 actually made me happy is the journey, the process, the work along the way, 02:42:38.022 --> 02:42:40.282 not the outcomes or results either way. 02:42:41.132 --> 02:42:44.612 If you make money, you're a motivator and you're chasing the money, you're 02:42:44.621 --> 02:42:48.602 always going to be behind the money, whatever it is that you're chasing, 02:42:48.602 --> 02:42:49.482 you're always going to be behind. 02:42:49.482 --> 02:42:51.902 If happiness is your motivator, I want to be happy. 02:42:52.417 --> 02:42:56.417 It's got an inverse relationship where you'll never be happy because you're 02:42:56.417 --> 02:43:00.327 already presupposing the fact that you're unhappy in the, in the moment. 02:43:00.637 --> 02:43:01.997 So what is success to you? 02:43:03.077 --> 02:43:07.047 Well, success is, you know, raising my kids, good family. 02:43:07.176 --> 02:43:09.556 Those are all things that obviously most people want. 02:43:09.646 --> 02:43:10.986 So that's, that's success. 02:43:11.476 --> 02:43:12.006 But I think. 02:43:12.842 --> 02:43:18.812 Being able to enable others for success, um, being able to be a good guide one 02:43:18.812 --> 02:43:24.512 way or another or, uh, a voice that they can, you know, resonate with, um, these 02:43:24.512 --> 02:43:27.192 things are actually the things that make me probably the happiest right now next 02:43:27.202 --> 02:43:32.552 to obviously my family is the fact that I get some pretty cool Instagram messages 02:43:32.552 --> 02:43:35.382 is like, Hey man, you made me wake up this morning and go do some hard shit. 02:43:35.602 --> 02:43:36.552 That's the kind of stuff. 02:43:36.592 --> 02:43:39.312 And now they feel, you know, incredibly, I've had a couple of 02:43:39.342 --> 02:43:44.312 people that, you know, we're going down that negative path and route. 02:43:44.312 --> 02:43:48.202 And I was able to kind of, they did all the work, but just at least give them 02:43:48.202 --> 02:43:49.892 a little bit of guidance along the way. 02:43:50.282 --> 02:43:52.341 Those are the things that I think are successes. 02:43:52.342 --> 02:43:54.992 How do you, how do you give back to society? 02:43:55.012 --> 02:43:55.982 How do you help? 02:43:56.412 --> 02:43:59.252 Those are things that actually make you feel good, right? 02:43:59.352 --> 02:44:00.692 Would you say that's an ego driven? 02:44:00.987 --> 02:44:01.657 Perspective? 02:44:02.247 --> 02:44:03.037 Partially sure. 02:44:03.087 --> 02:44:04.097 Yeah, of course. 02:44:04.097 --> 02:44:06.897 Like, um, and I, I don't think ego is a negative thing, right? 02:44:06.937 --> 02:44:07.357 I agree. 02:44:07.437 --> 02:44:10.676 Uh, at the end of the day, we all want to feel good about ourselves. 02:44:10.687 --> 02:44:13.857 And that inherently is some ego perspective in there. 02:44:14.307 --> 02:44:17.096 Um, I do. 02:44:18.137 --> 02:44:19.427 Well, what's, what's difficult for you? 02:44:20.237 --> 02:44:25.697 Because if you run a 20 mile marathon and you do it again, and you do it again, 02:44:25.707 --> 02:44:27.197 and you do it again, after a while. 02:44:28.227 --> 02:44:30.287 You know, you can do 20 miles, right? 02:44:30.287 --> 02:44:35.307 It was like, I jokingly said to, um, Sean Taylor, ex JTF2 and, uh. 02:44:35.317 --> 02:44:35.937 Yeah, great guy. 02:44:36.507 --> 02:44:37.867 Fantastic guy, right? 02:44:37.997 --> 02:44:41.737 And he says, uh, was talking with the 24 hour relays or not 02:44:41.747 --> 02:44:45.786 really 24 hour solos on a mountain bike, you're going for 24 hours. 02:44:46.197 --> 02:44:47.617 I said, why haven't you done a 48? 02:44:48.947 --> 02:44:53.157 I mean, I've never done a 24, obviously it's an accomplishment and it's all right. 02:44:53.317 --> 02:44:53.547 And. 02:44:54.022 --> 02:44:55.682 But I'll be, I'll be a bit of a wise ass. 02:44:55.972 --> 02:44:59.482 How come you haven't done a 48, but there's always that more difficult thing. 02:44:59.632 --> 02:45:00.962 What, what is difficult? 02:45:02.822 --> 02:45:06.772 Difficult for me is going to be difficult for somebody else is everything's going 02:45:06.772 --> 02:45:09.842 to be, you know, there's perspective to whatever difficulties, but I'll give 02:45:09.842 --> 02:45:13.371 you an example for myself is just, I'm trying to just be 1% better than I was 02:45:13.372 --> 02:45:18.557 yesterday and there's going to be days that I'm 10% worse, but my goal is And my, 02:45:18.587 --> 02:45:22.937 what I'm, my actions and what I'm trying to orient myself is to be 1% better. 02:45:23.537 --> 02:45:24.847 That, that goes, that's what's it. 02:45:24.887 --> 02:45:29.456 And if I can just challenge myself to be 1% better, so I'll give you an example. 02:45:29.457 --> 02:45:31.077 I did run that a hundred kilometer ultra. 02:45:31.337 --> 02:45:32.146 I timed out on it. 02:45:32.156 --> 02:45:36.316 So I only, I did 90, 91, 92 kilometers, something like that. 02:45:36.627 --> 02:45:40.757 I've got a 50 kilometer ultra, the 10, 000 foot elevation coming up August. 02:45:41.477 --> 02:45:43.967 I just like doing challenging, difficult things. 02:45:44.337 --> 02:45:48.287 It doesn't necessarily have to be better per se than the last one I did. 02:45:48.677 --> 02:45:52.647 I'm just consistently trying to find growth and find challenge. 02:45:52.776 --> 02:45:53.096 Right. 02:45:53.486 --> 02:45:59.167 Um, and it's not necessarily, it's not so much of an ego thing that, Hey, I can run 02:45:59.167 --> 02:46:01.367 a hundred miler or I can run a 200 mile. 02:46:01.377 --> 02:46:01.827 Cause you're right. 02:46:01.827 --> 02:46:03.607 There's always going to be something crazier. 02:46:04.057 --> 02:46:05.137 And I know. 02:46:05.432 --> 02:46:07.032 I'm not going to be a Cameron Haynes. 02:46:07.102 --> 02:46:08.402 That's not really even my goal. 02:46:08.402 --> 02:46:08.802 I'm not good. 02:46:08.822 --> 02:46:10.692 I'm not, he runs a marathon every single day. 02:46:10.752 --> 02:46:11.232 You know what I mean? 02:46:11.232 --> 02:46:12.082 Or David Goggins. 02:46:12.092 --> 02:46:13.982 That's, that's theirs for me. 02:46:14.022 --> 02:46:16.361 I'm trying to continuously be challenged. 02:46:16.682 --> 02:46:18.882 And so my business, I want it to grow. 02:46:18.932 --> 02:46:20.341 I want to be challenged amongst that. 02:46:20.572 --> 02:46:23.522 I want to be able to help people grow, be challenged amongst that. 02:46:23.761 --> 02:46:27.612 I want to make sure my kids, cause they're going to be their own people soon. 02:46:27.722 --> 02:46:28.112 Right. 02:46:28.352 --> 02:46:30.152 I give a good guide and path there. 02:46:30.352 --> 02:46:32.552 That's kind of what I'm looking for when it comes to difficulty. 02:46:32.852 --> 02:46:34.072 So, and that whole. 02:46:34.337 --> 02:46:35.737 Concept of difficulty. 02:46:35.767 --> 02:46:38.267 And I should ask Sean this one too, but if I were to be the 02:46:38.267 --> 02:46:42.217 reporter talking to Rockefeller, I would ask how much is enough. 02:46:42.357 --> 02:46:42.647 Yeah. 02:46:43.377 --> 02:46:43.757 So 02:46:46.777 --> 02:46:50.647 it's a tough question because for me, when it comes to difficulty, it's, 02:46:50.657 --> 02:46:52.476 it's never really going to be enough. 02:46:52.866 --> 02:46:53.927 You know, it, and that is the truth. 02:46:53.927 --> 02:46:54.777 It's always 1 more. 02:46:55.147 --> 02:46:58.227 And it's, and it's obviously for me, it's not the financial portion. 02:46:59.707 --> 02:47:02.707 It is, I want, this is what makes us feel alive. 02:47:02.737 --> 02:47:07.207 We, the one thing I know, and we've talked about this and is I know I'm going to die. 02:47:07.337 --> 02:47:09.506 There's 0% chance I'm going to live forever. 02:47:09.726 --> 02:47:10.046 Right? 02:47:10.437 --> 02:47:13.837 So why not maximize my time on this planet? 02:47:13.917 --> 02:47:16.617 When I'm 70 years old, I'm probably not going to be running. 02:47:16.636 --> 02:47:18.706 Hopefully I will, but I probably won't be able to run a marathon. 02:47:19.037 --> 02:47:19.357 Right? 02:47:19.697 --> 02:47:20.847 So why not do that now? 02:47:20.847 --> 02:47:23.767 But when I'm 70 years old, what am I going to be able to do that's 02:47:23.767 --> 02:47:24.727 going to be able to challenge me? 02:47:24.787 --> 02:47:26.547 Maybe it's a crossword puzzle for all I know. 02:47:26.587 --> 02:47:27.197 I don't know. 02:47:27.227 --> 02:47:27.487 Right? 02:47:27.487 --> 02:47:31.717 But I feel like it doesn't necessarily have to be a bar of challenge. 02:47:31.727 --> 02:47:33.857 It just needs to be a challenge consistently. 02:47:34.207 --> 02:47:36.587 And that challenge makes us feel useful. 02:47:37.212 --> 02:47:37.432 Right. 02:47:37.462 --> 02:47:38.622 It makes us feel alive. 02:47:38.632 --> 02:47:42.052 It makes us for, I'm not, I'm not that person that's in bed, 02:47:42.052 --> 02:47:43.632 putting the duvet covers over me. 02:47:43.782 --> 02:47:44.112 Right. 02:47:44.272 --> 02:47:48.481 I'm out there creating, being of use to myself and the world. 02:47:49.702 --> 02:47:55.141 So you were talking to before about, uh, and specifically back to, uh, 02:47:55.152 --> 02:48:01.571 firearms, hunting, uh, advocacy, people looking for others to pick up 02:48:01.571 --> 02:48:03.382 the torch and walk with it in front. 02:48:03.652 --> 02:48:07.152 What advice would you give to those who are dissatisfied with. 02:48:07.922 --> 02:48:12.302 Let's say the, the local gun clubs and hunting communities, which also 02:48:12.302 --> 02:48:15.702 that same advice would apply to individuals of all walks of life. 02:48:15.752 --> 02:48:19.442 What, what advice would you give to them to start making positive, 02:48:19.692 --> 02:48:23.031 progressive change in an area that where they feel it needs to be made? 02:48:23.181 --> 02:48:23.431 Yeah. 02:48:23.741 --> 02:48:28.172 So one thing, Jordan Peterson came to, uh, Vancouver. 02:48:28.472 --> 02:48:33.562 And so literally I landed, I think it was like 5 PM for my flight from 02:48:33.562 --> 02:48:36.972 India, got off the plane, went and took a shower at my buddy's place 02:48:36.972 --> 02:48:38.072 and went and walked, watched him. 02:48:38.082 --> 02:48:39.461 I was up for 36 hours. 02:48:40.042 --> 02:48:43.232 So while I'm trying not to fall asleep, because one of the things 02:48:43.242 --> 02:48:47.172 that came up was obviously that audience was very pro conservative. 02:48:47.172 --> 02:48:49.622 Like how do we get rid of Justin Trudeau kind of thing, right? 02:48:50.272 --> 02:48:54.182 So, and I know this is not directly with the question, but it applies to it. 02:48:54.332 --> 02:48:56.382 So what he said that really stood out. 02:48:56.922 --> 02:48:59.672 Is he put every, he asked everybody in the audience. 02:48:59.902 --> 02:49:03.312 He asked, Hey guys, so who here wants Justin Trudeau 02:49:03.342 --> 02:49:05.582 out and the entire audience. 02:49:05.582 --> 02:49:07.542 And I don't know how many thousand people were in that audience, 02:49:07.602 --> 02:49:08.842 but everybody put their hand up. 02:49:09.922 --> 02:49:13.252 His next question was who here is part of the conservative party. 02:49:13.932 --> 02:49:17.162 And then there was maybe like a hundred of us, right? 02:49:17.602 --> 02:49:21.102 Who here has done volunteer work at the conservative party? 02:49:21.992 --> 02:49:24.202 And there was two people out of the thousand people that 02:49:24.202 --> 02:49:25.302 wanted Justin Trudeau out. 02:49:26.782 --> 02:49:28.542 Two people and myself included. 02:49:28.542 --> 02:49:29.772 I was not in those two people. 02:49:29.782 --> 02:49:32.492 So I take full that I have not done the volunteer work. 02:49:32.492 --> 02:49:34.372 I donate, but I have not done the volunteer work. 02:49:34.972 --> 02:49:37.222 The point that he said is like, listen, it starts here. 02:49:37.501 --> 02:49:39.772 The numbers clearly show right. 02:49:40.052 --> 02:49:40.542 That. 02:49:41.067 --> 02:49:44.597 There's just as many people, if not more that believe that he should be out, that 02:49:44.597 --> 02:49:49.177 there should be, uh, um, gun reform in, in a positive way towards us, that there 02:49:49.177 --> 02:49:50.837 should be advocacy on that portion. 02:49:50.837 --> 02:49:53.757 There should be a lot of different things that happen, but how many 02:49:53.757 --> 02:49:55.816 of us are even taking one step. 02:49:56.637 --> 02:49:59.267 And this is part of the program when it comes to being successful, being 02:49:59.267 --> 02:50:03.757 anything it's not, you don't go from making, you know, 50 grand a year 02:50:03.757 --> 02:50:05.047 to making a million dollars a year. 02:50:05.627 --> 02:50:12.047 It's a step by step process, gun advocacy, you know, um, you know, the CCFR, 02:50:12.057 --> 02:50:16.737 all these different types of things, all these different, it, it, there is 02:50:16.737 --> 02:50:22.707 so many opportunities for us just to take one step in the right direction. 02:50:23.757 --> 02:50:26.376 If you're having an issue with your gun club, they're not doing enough. 02:50:26.546 --> 02:50:27.686 Why aren't you at their meeting? 02:50:28.577 --> 02:50:29.927 What are you saying at their meeting? 02:50:30.287 --> 02:50:31.677 What are you doing to help them? 02:50:31.797 --> 02:50:34.067 Maybe they need help doing whatever you want them to do. 02:50:34.297 --> 02:50:34.607 Right. 02:50:35.297 --> 02:50:39.547 Instead of like, we talk about everybody finding the Messiah, like I'm going to 02:50:39.547 --> 02:50:41.677 vote that guy and he'll change everything. 02:50:41.877 --> 02:50:42.207 Right. 02:50:42.636 --> 02:50:44.807 If all of us just did one thing. 02:50:45.422 --> 02:50:45.692 Right. 02:50:45.712 --> 02:50:49.372 How much more powerful could that be ever comparatively to one guy? 02:50:50.102 --> 02:50:50.402 Right. 02:50:50.872 --> 02:50:51.752 And it's the same thing. 02:50:51.752 --> 02:50:58.052 If you see, you know, personally, one of my objectives in this upcoming future is. 02:50:59.487 --> 02:51:03.817 And I don't mean to get political again or whatever it may be, but if 02:51:03.817 --> 02:51:06.487 you look at what's happening in our schools right now, and what has been 02:51:06.487 --> 02:51:09.297 happening for the last 20 years, right? 02:51:09.587 --> 02:51:13.877 Is you have a lot of indoctrination, right or wrong, believe in it or don't 02:51:13.877 --> 02:51:16.717 believe in it, but you have tons of indoctrination that's been happening in 02:51:16.717 --> 02:51:18.877 the last 20, 30 years for certain things. 02:51:19.657 --> 02:51:26.827 I had as a perfect example in grade two or three, I think it was three, I wrote, 02:51:26.987 --> 02:51:29.156 we had to write a piece of literature. 02:51:29.302 --> 02:51:31.652 Basically on our position on something. 02:51:31.762 --> 02:51:32.152 Right. 02:51:32.172 --> 02:51:34.682 So, um, my dad helped me do this. 02:51:34.682 --> 02:51:37.831 I remember this and I created a period of anti gun control. 02:51:39.271 --> 02:51:43.552 So, and basically I just gave my opinion on why gun control doesn't work. 02:51:43.771 --> 02:51:46.492 And I used a lot of different stats and so and so forth in it. 02:51:46.492 --> 02:51:51.702 And it was well written anyways, long story short, I went into class, right. 02:51:51.842 --> 02:51:54.842 And presented that and my teacher. 02:51:55.057 --> 02:51:59.767 Who was from England originally was completely anti gun, did not allow 02:51:59.767 --> 02:52:01.727 me to present this presentation. 02:52:02.367 --> 02:52:04.187 In fact, I had to take it out. 02:52:04.227 --> 02:52:07.917 I had to now do the, uh, thing on the amalgamation of 02:52:07.927 --> 02:52:09.207 Maple Ridge and pit metals. 02:52:11.847 --> 02:52:13.357 Grade three, you're like, what, what? 02:52:15.207 --> 02:52:15.807 Exactly. 02:52:15.807 --> 02:52:16.077 Right. 02:52:16.527 --> 02:52:18.147 Um, and so, so much so. 02:52:18.502 --> 02:52:21.382 Maybe, maybe it was great for anyways, but so much so that 02:52:21.382 --> 02:52:23.022 my dad was absolutely furious. 02:52:23.042 --> 02:52:23.292 Right. 02:52:23.292 --> 02:52:25.872 So my dad sent it to field and stream, and I think he still got a 02:52:25.872 --> 02:52:28.192 copy and they actually printed that in there, which was kind of cool. 02:52:28.641 --> 02:52:28.971 Yeah. 02:52:29.332 --> 02:52:32.101 But what I'm trying to say is this indoctrination of. 02:52:32.892 --> 02:52:37.652 If we look back to like the forties, fifties, sixties, you know, I'm talking 02:52:37.652 --> 02:52:41.392 to some of the older guys at, uh, the older instructors at, you know, 02:52:41.402 --> 02:52:43.222 mission gun club and so on and so forth. 02:52:43.222 --> 02:52:45.391 And they're talking about how they went to high school with a 02:52:45.392 --> 02:52:46.841 shotgun in the back of their truck. 02:52:47.272 --> 02:52:47.842 Do you know what I mean? 02:52:48.121 --> 02:52:49.921 And there weren't school shootings there. 02:52:49.921 --> 02:52:51.151 There weren't all these other things. 02:52:51.691 --> 02:52:52.101 So. 02:52:52.672 --> 02:52:54.762 If you want to make a difference, right? 02:52:54.872 --> 02:52:58.982 We need to start, and I don't want to say indoctrinated, we need to start 02:52:58.982 --> 02:53:03.182 bringing those principles back into the schools, back into the families. 02:53:03.562 --> 02:53:05.352 How many kids are you taking out shooting? 02:53:05.432 --> 02:53:08.072 Both my kids have started shooting when they're like four or five years old. 02:53:08.352 --> 02:53:08.942 Do you know what I mean? 02:53:08.972 --> 02:53:15.781 And creating gun safe practices, creating all these things, it's one step. 02:53:16.281 --> 02:53:20.261 It, instead of trying to change the entire country and world 02:53:20.761 --> 02:53:23.182 all at once, what have you done? 02:53:23.437 --> 02:53:26.627 For your immediate sphere, what have you done for your family? 02:53:26.657 --> 02:53:29.137 What have you done for the one step out your close, best friends? 02:53:29.147 --> 02:53:30.647 How many of them have you taken out shooting? 02:53:31.437 --> 02:53:31.717 Right. 02:53:32.117 --> 02:53:36.476 Even, even if they are the same belief as you are, as far as like political 02:53:36.477 --> 02:53:40.826 standing, what are they contributing when it comes to, you know, standing 02:53:40.827 --> 02:53:42.616 against what they believe is wrong. 02:53:42.747 --> 02:53:43.087 Right. 02:53:43.087 --> 02:53:46.917 So I feel like instead of always looking for. 02:53:47.972 --> 02:53:51.432 One vote to change, what are we doing and what can we do different? 02:53:53.052 --> 02:53:54.702 I think that makes a hell of a lot of sense. 02:53:55.052 --> 02:53:59.282 I think the fear part that we talked about earlier, maybe not so much 02:54:00.012 --> 02:54:02.582 laziness will play into it like myself. 02:54:02.612 --> 02:54:07.231 I will re I would rather do things myself than rely on somebody else 02:54:07.231 --> 02:54:08.851 because I know what I'm capable of. 02:54:08.911 --> 02:54:12.622 I know if I fail that I've got one person to blame and. 02:54:13.532 --> 02:54:19.012 Not everybody's of the same mindset, but I do think that there is a large social 02:54:19.092 --> 02:54:26.111 fear that we've seen and we saw it in the last few years during a pandemic of not 02:54:26.111 --> 02:54:29.662 people not wanting to stick their heads out and say things that might be contrary 02:54:29.662 --> 02:54:32.281 to whatever the public narrative might be. 02:54:32.542 --> 02:54:38.212 And that fear has been something that's been implemented for a very long time. 02:54:38.222 --> 02:54:41.342 It's sort of an instinctual thing for people to survive. 02:54:41.352 --> 02:54:42.612 They want to belong to their tribe. 02:54:42.992 --> 02:54:46.172 But when you talk about indoctrination in the schools, whether it be 02:54:46.192 --> 02:54:50.361 from an altruistic standpoint, because people want, I think 02:54:50.382 --> 02:54:52.492 inherently people want to be good. 02:54:52.591 --> 02:54:57.662 I'm of that mindset and inherently, um, um, maybe if I went a little deeper, 02:54:57.712 --> 02:55:02.002 they're neither good nor bad, but it's how people will, uh, perceive it. 02:55:02.637 --> 02:55:06.057 But, you know, you say, I've got a government system, we voted them 02:55:06.057 --> 02:55:09.197 in, we've got a school system, we voted them in, we've got certain 02:55:09.207 --> 02:55:10.897 ways that we want them to be taught. 02:55:11.417 --> 02:55:18.706 And once those processes are in place, I think that's when the laziness 02:55:18.736 --> 02:55:22.446 and the fear of wanting to stand out kind of kicks in because people are 02:55:22.446 --> 02:55:24.327 like, ah, the school will teach them. 02:55:25.387 --> 02:55:27.517 Oh, you know, the government will, will take care of, the 02:55:27.517 --> 02:55:28.727 police will take care of them. 02:55:29.037 --> 02:55:32.687 If the police will just come in and give my kid a stern talking to man, 02:55:32.687 --> 02:55:34.907 they'll, they'll start flying right. 02:55:34.917 --> 02:55:35.257 Right. 02:55:35.307 --> 02:55:35.577 Yeah. 02:55:35.656 --> 02:55:39.557 And, and that's where that personal responsibility, and 02:55:39.557 --> 02:55:40.336 there's going to be a fight. 02:55:40.366 --> 02:55:43.426 There's going to be a fight there because those who are now in a 02:55:43.426 --> 02:55:48.427 position of governing, whether that be within the school or policing or 02:55:48.647 --> 02:55:51.457 whatever it might be, that represents their livelihood and their jobs. 02:55:51.507 --> 02:55:53.857 And it represents a system of others that are in there. 02:55:53.857 --> 02:55:54.007 And. 02:55:54.432 --> 02:55:57.222 It's neither good nor bad, but thinking makes it so right. 02:55:57.262 --> 02:56:01.392 But they're going to want to be able to propagate and make sure that 02:56:01.392 --> 02:56:06.122 there's some, uh, continuity to their, what they know in their existence. 02:56:06.492 --> 02:56:10.122 So I think that's where the fear from individuals starts 02:56:10.122 --> 02:56:11.831 coming in and the laziness. 02:56:12.251 --> 02:56:12.551 Yeah. 02:56:13.862 --> 02:56:17.362 I think it's just going to become, it's got to more or less come to a time and 02:56:17.372 --> 02:56:24.802 place that you as an individual are going to have to decide, what do you fear more? 02:56:25.302 --> 02:56:32.052 The fear of being publicly humiliated or ostracized because you believe 02:56:32.052 --> 02:56:37.481 what is right is right, or the fear of the consequences for not doing that. 02:56:38.461 --> 02:56:41.391 And that's really the point we are at in the civilization right now. 02:56:41.792 --> 02:56:45.522 You know, it's, and to your point, I, and I don't disagree with this. 02:56:45.552 --> 02:56:49.712 I genuinely think most people have great intentions, even the people that 02:56:49.712 --> 02:56:55.312 I have absolutely, you know, zero in common with or thought politically. 02:56:55.762 --> 02:56:56.092 Right. 02:56:56.631 --> 02:57:00.182 And, you know, um, but they feel they're doing the right thing. 02:57:00.502 --> 02:57:01.731 Of course they are right. 02:57:01.732 --> 02:57:06.982 Like, you know, and, and many of them come from a good place of thought, 02:57:07.342 --> 02:57:10.952 but the problem is, is they don't realize what the consequences are. 02:57:11.442 --> 02:57:11.712 Right. 02:57:11.712 --> 02:57:15.282 So, um, I was just watching Tim Kennedy and I reposted this this morning. 02:57:15.282 --> 02:57:19.092 I don't know if you saw this, but he puts four out of 10 Americans, 02:57:19.162 --> 02:57:23.231 42%, I think was the exact number, believe socialism is a good thing. 02:57:24.357 --> 02:57:25.927 They've never experienced socialism. 02:57:26.567 --> 02:57:28.037 And he talks about it completely. 02:57:28.077 --> 02:57:30.987 Go talk to somebody that escaped communist Hungary or that 02:57:30.987 --> 02:57:33.057 escaped Russia during communism. 02:57:33.067 --> 02:57:35.217 Go talk to somebody that lived in that. 02:57:35.577 --> 02:57:39.986 Go, go, they can't even make a trip, but I've been to Cuba several times. 02:57:40.332 --> 02:57:41.912 I've never been like, Hey, why don't you? 02:57:41.962 --> 02:57:44.252 And I've never heard once somebody say, you should immigrate here. 02:57:44.252 --> 02:57:44.882 It's awesome. 02:57:46.032 --> 02:57:48.392 Never once people have been fantastic. 02:57:48.442 --> 02:57:52.621 Every single person that I ever spoke to in Cuba wants out. 02:57:53.691 --> 02:57:56.882 And that's one of the longest standing socialist countries in the region, right? 02:57:57.272 --> 02:58:00.422 Look at any of the communist countries that are successful right now, AKA 02:58:00.422 --> 02:58:03.102 China, really they're successful. 02:58:03.457 --> 02:58:05.187 Because they're not really communist. 02:58:05.197 --> 02:58:05.877 Mm hmm. 02:58:05.877 --> 02:58:06.267 Do you know what I mean? 02:58:06.267 --> 02:58:09.797 They are, you can't have billionaires in communism and they do, right? 02:58:10.247 --> 02:58:13.477 The point is, and I'm not trying to get, uh, political again, it's 02:58:13.477 --> 02:58:19.737 the fact is right now, society is testing waters because they don't 02:58:19.767 --> 02:58:21.086 know what they're looking for. 02:58:21.147 --> 02:58:23.126 They're looking for an easier way out. 02:58:23.337 --> 02:58:26.267 The rest of us that feel like we're on the. 02:58:26.532 --> 02:58:30.342 The side of what should be or the right side or our opinion is, whatever 02:58:30.342 --> 02:58:34.842 it may be, unfortunately, because a lot of us have created jobs, a lot 02:58:34.842 --> 02:58:39.992 of us are now entrepreneurs, a lot of us are working as police officers 02:58:40.131 --> 02:58:41.842 are actually out there working. 02:58:42.972 --> 02:58:47.002 We have more to lose by voicing our opinions than those that 02:58:47.012 --> 02:58:48.852 have the same right to vote. 02:58:48.992 --> 02:58:49.342 Right. 02:58:49.472 --> 02:58:53.621 But are on, uh, social subsidies or whatever you want to call it. 02:58:53.732 --> 02:58:54.042 Right. 02:58:54.042 --> 02:58:59.242 So I feel like we really need to come up with, and I don't 02:58:59.242 --> 02:59:00.782 want to tell anybody what to do. 02:59:00.861 --> 02:59:01.321 Sure. 02:59:01.941 --> 02:59:04.392 But we all have to, as individuals. 02:59:04.742 --> 02:59:10.082 Come up with and think about what is more important to us, the fear 02:59:10.082 --> 02:59:14.362 of, you know, being ostracized or the fear of where we're heading. 02:59:14.411 --> 02:59:15.631 The fear of the consequence. 02:59:15.661 --> 02:59:21.942 Well, and truthfully, like, do you, and do you have a right, and this is something 02:59:21.942 --> 02:59:24.741 we need to ask ourself as well, and I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but do you 02:59:24.752 --> 02:59:28.212 have the right to blame others when you're not willing to do something yourself? 02:59:30.467 --> 02:59:33.147 And so myself personally, I feel like I don't. 02:59:33.577 --> 02:59:33.877 Right. 02:59:34.287 --> 02:59:37.497 So I don't have the right to say, well, this country sucks, but 02:59:37.497 --> 02:59:38.787 I've never given anything to it. 02:59:39.797 --> 02:59:40.037 Right. 02:59:40.077 --> 02:59:43.866 I don't have the right to say, um, you guys are doing it wrong. 02:59:44.066 --> 02:59:47.547 This leader is absolutely horrible, but I've never done anything to provide 02:59:47.567 --> 02:59:49.347 anything otherwise or another option. 02:59:49.797 --> 02:59:50.117 Right. 02:59:50.637 --> 02:59:54.567 So these are the internal questions that I have for myself and. 02:59:55.637 --> 02:59:56.757 I hope others do as well. 02:59:57.027 --> 02:59:58.567 Where do you see your role in all of this? 03:00:00.797 --> 03:00:02.337 I, I'm just trying to live. 03:00:02.387 --> 03:00:04.437 So I'm trying to lead by example. 03:00:04.667 --> 03:00:05.897 That's my biggest role. 03:00:06.317 --> 03:00:07.966 And trust me, I'm a sinner. 03:00:08.247 --> 03:00:11.437 I started off as a gangster when I was younger, I graduated 03:00:11.437 --> 03:00:12.657 when I was 27 years old. 03:00:12.687 --> 03:00:13.766 I got kicked out of school. 03:00:14.166 --> 03:00:18.447 So by no means am I some like Saint by any means, and I definitely don't want 03:00:18.477 --> 03:00:20.447 to be portrayed that way by any means. 03:00:21.097 --> 03:00:24.867 That being said, I feel like now I've come to a point in my life that. 03:00:25.647 --> 03:00:28.997 I have to live by my moral compass, right? 03:00:29.437 --> 03:00:33.167 You know, some of my friends have gone through amazing things that have been, 03:00:33.387 --> 03:00:36.416 you know, police officers have been military veterans have been whatever. 03:00:36.786 --> 03:00:40.817 And these guys have actually sacrificed and given for this country 03:00:40.817 --> 03:00:42.177 and the betterment of society. 03:00:42.487 --> 03:00:43.917 So what can I do in my part? 03:00:43.947 --> 03:00:46.247 Well, I know how to create business. 03:00:46.287 --> 03:00:49.897 I know how to feel good about myself by doing difficult 03:00:49.907 --> 03:00:51.987 things and leading by example. 03:00:52.217 --> 03:00:53.436 So that's the best that I can do. 03:00:53.666 --> 03:00:57.937 And I, and I can go out there and I can spread a message of there's opportunity. 03:00:57.937 --> 03:00:59.277 Like there's never been before. 03:01:00.542 --> 03:01:02.162 There is an opportunity for you. 03:01:02.182 --> 03:01:04.992 If you truly want to be wealthy, there's an opportunity. 03:01:05.262 --> 03:01:07.892 If you truly want to make change, there's an opportunity, but it 03:01:07.902 --> 03:01:09.232 has to start with you first. 03:01:09.731 --> 03:01:10.031 Right. 03:01:10.392 --> 03:01:14.722 And so for myself, I never ask anybody to do something I'm not willing to do myself. 03:01:14.971 --> 03:01:15.301 And. 03:01:15.512 --> 03:01:19.202 Every morning, you know, business related, my specific real estate team, cause I 03:01:19.202 --> 03:01:21.172 have the company and the real estate team. 03:01:21.522 --> 03:01:22.122 There's nobody on there. 03:01:22.122 --> 03:01:24.852 My real estate thing team that thinks they work more than I do. 03:01:25.602 --> 03:01:26.392 They know they don't. 03:01:26.522 --> 03:01:26.732 Right. 03:01:26.772 --> 03:01:28.651 I, I literally take them on runs. 03:01:28.921 --> 03:01:32.041 I take them on stuff and I'm, and I'm not doing this to be like a dictator. 03:01:32.042 --> 03:01:36.322 I'm doing them so they have a transformation and they can feel what 03:01:36.322 --> 03:01:38.152 it's like to feel good about themselves. 03:01:38.432 --> 03:01:38.712 Right. 03:01:39.072 --> 03:01:42.762 And so that's, that's kind of like my role, if any, and it might be a super 03:01:42.762 --> 03:01:46.502 minute, hopefully the message goes across and that's all I can ask for. 03:01:46.772 --> 03:01:47.552 Who mentored you? 03:01:48.792 --> 03:01:49.922 Cause you mentioned that earlier. 03:01:49.962 --> 03:01:50.222 Yeah. 03:01:50.222 --> 03:01:52.472 So I've, I'm, I've been really lucky and I've actually been 03:01:52.472 --> 03:01:54.032 mentored by a lot of people. 03:01:54.312 --> 03:01:58.112 Um, so I couldn't give you one specific, but. 03:01:58.187 --> 03:02:02.637 You know, my work ethic, my, my drive, a lot of that has come from my parents. 03:02:02.677 --> 03:02:06.587 Like my dad, long haul truck driver worked his ass off his entire life. 03:02:06.637 --> 03:02:06.947 Right. 03:02:07.387 --> 03:02:09.406 Um, even though him and I have a different. 03:02:09.947 --> 03:02:11.097 Philosophy on money. 03:02:11.097 --> 03:02:14.367 His is still very much like penny pinching and saving. 03:02:14.367 --> 03:02:16.277 And, you know, he'll calls me up once in a while and be like, 03:02:16.277 --> 03:02:18.686 son, tuna is 75 cents off. 03:02:18.797 --> 03:02:20.277 You should go grab 20 cans. 03:02:20.786 --> 03:02:22.896 Um, but he's also done well for himself. 03:02:22.897 --> 03:02:23.167 Right. 03:02:23.246 --> 03:02:27.416 Um, but along the way I've been mentored by real estate professionals, by guys 03:02:27.417 --> 03:02:32.867 that are gurus in, in, you know, created millions of dollars in real estate. 03:02:32.897 --> 03:02:35.947 And the funny thing is with those guys, it's very. 03:02:36.592 --> 03:02:39.072 I literally called them up and said, what can I do for you? 03:02:39.102 --> 03:02:40.072 I need to learn from you. 03:02:40.262 --> 03:02:42.812 And I did a bunch of stuff for free for them, help them out, but they're 03:02:42.812 --> 03:02:46.482 always willing to give for people that want to succeed and actually 03:02:46.482 --> 03:02:47.732 do what they tell them to do. 03:02:47.831 --> 03:02:48.141 Right. 03:02:48.861 --> 03:02:53.241 So if you graduated at 27, would I be going out on a limb to say that you didn't 03:02:53.261 --> 03:02:56.882 always possess, although they may have been in front of you, your father's work 03:02:56.882 --> 03:02:58.632 ethic, your family's work ethic, the rest. 03:02:59.047 --> 03:03:01.767 You're showing the way, but you weren't always implementing that. 03:03:02.077 --> 03:03:02.357 Yeah. 03:03:02.357 --> 03:03:06.147 So up until grade eight, so in grade eight, I was actually 03:03:06.147 --> 03:03:08.177 doing grade 10 math and English. 03:03:08.177 --> 03:03:10.146 So I was an accelerated school. 03:03:10.167 --> 03:03:11.157 So I skipped some grades. 03:03:11.847 --> 03:03:15.346 Basically what happened, this is, and I don't blame my parents by any means. 03:03:15.347 --> 03:03:16.627 It's definitely not their fault. 03:03:16.656 --> 03:03:17.927 It's 100% mine. 03:03:18.337 --> 03:03:22.747 But, um, I was going to a school that school had some very affluent people. 03:03:23.112 --> 03:03:27.452 And being 16 years old, it's Thomas Haney in Maple Ridge. 03:03:27.932 --> 03:03:32.977 And so at that time, it was actually 14, 15, when I started there, um, That time it 03:03:32.977 --> 03:03:34.767 was a self paid school, like university. 03:03:35.187 --> 03:03:37.977 So you just had to do these learning guides and you had 03:03:38.017 --> 03:03:39.067 to show up for seminars. 03:03:39.337 --> 03:03:41.307 The rest of the time you can go do whatever you want. 03:03:41.317 --> 03:03:42.217 I lived across the street. 03:03:42.217 --> 03:03:47.916 So obviously I was chasing tail and everything else. 03:03:48.237 --> 03:03:52.097 Instead of doing my work and then, uh, you know, at that time, that's when 03:03:52.097 --> 03:03:55.827 testosterone kicks in, you don't, you're trying to find your place in your world. 03:03:56.137 --> 03:04:01.257 Um, I came from an immigrant family, so, you know, my friends were of all kinds 03:04:01.257 --> 03:04:06.146 of different ethnicities and we different cultural things and so on and so forth. 03:04:06.146 --> 03:04:07.947 And I just found myself like, Hey. 03:04:08.297 --> 03:04:10.527 That guy over there has a BMW and he's getting hotter chicks. 03:04:10.547 --> 03:04:12.577 Cause that BMW, what am I going to go do to get a BMW? 03:04:13.097 --> 03:04:13.377 Right. 03:04:13.667 --> 03:04:15.587 And of course I did stupid shit that I shouldn't have 03:04:15.587 --> 03:04:17.546 done to go try to get a BMW. 03:04:17.587 --> 03:04:17.897 Right. 03:04:18.447 --> 03:04:22.307 And so I wish, and this is one of the things that I'm trying to do and kind of 03:04:22.307 --> 03:04:26.086 what I've talked about as I wish there was a mentor in state to be like, Hey 03:04:26.087 --> 03:04:29.377 man, like you can get a thousand BMWs. 03:04:29.427 --> 03:04:32.407 You just have to do this, this, this, and give it a little bit of time. 03:04:32.802 --> 03:04:33.112 Right. 03:04:33.352 --> 03:04:35.422 And implement this and look what I've done. 03:04:35.622 --> 03:04:35.912 Right. 03:04:36.362 --> 03:04:40.622 My dad, and like I said, not to blame my dad, but the mentality of the mentors that 03:04:40.622 --> 03:04:45.522 were around me at that time, even though I had this grandiose vision of what I wanted 03:04:45.522 --> 03:04:51.166 to be right there were so in Hungary and Europe, they kind of have this. 03:04:51.327 --> 03:04:55.177 Saying, which is like similar to get your head out of the clouds kind 03:04:55.177 --> 03:04:58.317 of thing that we say here, but it's like, basically don't be a cosmonaut 03:04:58.587 --> 03:04:59.717 because you're living in space. 03:05:01.797 --> 03:05:05.536 So, um, and it's not that he didn't encourage me, but you know, I'm 03:05:05.537 --> 03:05:06.547 like, I want to be a millionaire. 03:05:06.547 --> 03:05:07.236 I want to be whatever. 03:05:07.247 --> 03:05:09.866 Even when I got into real estate, he was always worried for me. 03:05:10.187 --> 03:05:12.417 That, you know, it takes you five years to make any money. 03:05:12.417 --> 03:05:14.207 And this is the blah, blah, blah, blah. 03:05:14.307 --> 03:05:15.907 Now that's obviously gone, thankfully. 03:05:15.907 --> 03:05:18.227 But the point is, is at that time, I'm like, well, I'm not 03:05:18.227 --> 03:05:19.447 going to listen to these guys. 03:05:19.617 --> 03:05:21.177 That guy over there is making a ton of money. 03:05:21.177 --> 03:05:22.177 I'm going to do what he does. 03:05:22.247 --> 03:05:22.637 Right. 03:05:23.426 --> 03:05:27.166 And so I'm blessed and lucky that I never really got into any trouble. 03:05:27.267 --> 03:05:30.317 I have, I had people pass away that were close to me that were 03:05:30.317 --> 03:05:31.657 involved in that kind of stuff. 03:05:31.997 --> 03:05:32.737 And so. 03:05:33.437 --> 03:05:37.407 When I was in my mid twenties, after I got kicked out of school, I came 03:05:37.407 --> 03:05:39.287 back and I'm like, okay, I'm either going to get into real estate cause 03:05:39.287 --> 03:05:42.196 I was selling cars, doing all this other stuff back in the normal path. 03:05:42.207 --> 03:05:43.787 I mean, they're going to get into real estate or I'm going 03:05:43.787 --> 03:05:44.686 to become a firefighter. 03:05:44.887 --> 03:05:48.167 And so both of them needed high school graduation. 03:05:48.327 --> 03:05:51.107 So I had to go back and graduate when I was 27. 03:05:51.427 --> 03:05:56.097 And then I, uh, applied for the justice institute with my good buddy Ziggy. 03:05:56.547 --> 03:05:59.487 And, uh, That was a couple months process. 03:05:59.487 --> 03:06:00.977 In the meantime, it was already a realtor. 03:06:01.027 --> 03:06:03.587 And then my first two months, I did six transactions and made 03:06:03.587 --> 03:06:04.677 more money than I've ever made. 03:06:04.987 --> 03:06:07.227 And I'm like, you know what, I think I'm going to go down this path. 03:06:07.257 --> 03:06:08.277 And that's kind of how it all happened. 03:06:08.407 --> 03:06:13.747 So if you can go back and talk to 12, 13, 14 year old, you, what would you say? 03:06:15.197 --> 03:06:15.547 Hey. 03:06:16.082 --> 03:06:19.042 And you know what the funny thing is, I wouldn't say much, I would show. 03:06:19.432 --> 03:06:24.251 And I think that's really the difference is I think too many times as leaders, we 03:06:24.252 --> 03:06:26.912 talk too much and we don't show enough. 03:06:27.141 --> 03:06:27.451 Right. 03:06:27.702 --> 03:06:30.801 So if you look at the guys that inspire me, the guys that would have inspired me 03:06:30.802 --> 03:06:35.421 back then is guys that inspire me right now are like guys like Galkins, Jocko, 03:06:35.422 --> 03:06:39.532 you know, like, uh, Cameron Haynes, what, what inspires us about those guys? 03:06:39.632 --> 03:06:41.092 They're out there on video doing it. 03:06:41.297 --> 03:06:41.607 Hmm. 03:06:41.647 --> 03:06:41.957 Right. 03:06:42.487 --> 03:06:45.777 And so if I could do anything, I would go to these guys and 03:06:45.777 --> 03:06:47.287 be like, look what I have done. 03:06:47.527 --> 03:06:48.767 This is how I've done it. 03:06:48.937 --> 03:06:54.427 And I can show you how, and I think having actual, because the 03:06:54.427 --> 03:06:57.816 problem, number one priority or issue with school systems in general. 03:06:58.292 --> 03:06:58.442 Okay. 03:06:58.442 --> 03:07:01.962 And I, and I'm not, I'm not here to beat down schools by any means, because 03:07:01.962 --> 03:07:06.392 they're essential part of our, our learning and society in certain parts. 03:07:06.402 --> 03:07:06.672 Right. 03:07:09.341 --> 03:07:10.072 We can talk about that one. 03:07:10.322 --> 03:07:10.981 I agree. 03:07:11.202 --> 03:07:16.282 But the point is, is that you are being taught by somebody. 03:07:16.841 --> 03:07:17.642 I'll give you an example. 03:07:17.652 --> 03:07:17.892 Okay. 03:07:18.562 --> 03:07:19.412 You go to Harvard. 03:07:19.772 --> 03:07:20.092 Right. 03:07:20.242 --> 03:07:23.002 You pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a university degree. 03:07:23.372 --> 03:07:24.962 And let's just say you're going to get your MBA. 03:07:25.442 --> 03:07:27.582 The top professors are making 500 grand a year. 03:07:27.861 --> 03:07:28.131 Right. 03:07:28.542 --> 03:07:31.382 I have agents in my brokerage making 2 million a year. 03:07:32.521 --> 03:07:35.532 So why would I learn from somebody? 03:07:35.922 --> 03:07:38.012 That has never done what I want to do. 03:07:38.612 --> 03:07:43.432 And that's the, one of the major issues with our schools is we're being told, 03:07:43.482 --> 03:07:45.912 not shown, told, this is what you do. 03:07:45.952 --> 03:07:46.872 This is how you do it. 03:07:47.282 --> 03:07:50.972 And we're being basically taught how to memorize more or less and 03:07:50.972 --> 03:07:53.782 work at a certain thing and work for somebody, not work with somebody. 03:07:53.792 --> 03:07:56.121 We're not talked, taught about basic finance. 03:07:56.121 --> 03:07:58.251 We're not talking about any kind of life skills anymore. 03:07:58.251 --> 03:08:01.782 We're not taught about any of those things, but what ends up being 03:08:01.782 --> 03:08:05.482 is, is there's very few students that look up to their teachers. 03:08:06.292 --> 03:08:07.842 Very few these days, right? 03:08:07.892 --> 03:08:10.282 And the fact is, is because none of them want to be like that person. 03:08:10.682 --> 03:08:11.612 Who do they want to be like? 03:08:11.982 --> 03:08:14.302 And so now they're following their social media influencers. 03:08:14.302 --> 03:08:16.402 They're following all these other guys that are driving Lamborghinis 03:08:16.402 --> 03:08:18.662 that are doing all these other things, which I'd rather have them 03:08:18.662 --> 03:08:20.192 do that than follow drug dealers. 03:08:20.242 --> 03:08:20.682 Right. 03:08:21.011 --> 03:08:24.471 But the point is, is who these guys are imitating or who these kids are 03:08:24.492 --> 03:08:26.352 imitating is incredibly important. 03:08:26.672 --> 03:08:29.272 And unfortunately those schools don't provide any of that. 03:08:30.582 --> 03:08:31.272 That's a good point. 03:08:32.102 --> 03:08:33.772 Who wants to be like their high school teacher? 03:08:34.342 --> 03:08:35.132 I don't know anyone that. 03:08:36.187 --> 03:08:38.767 I'm sure there's some, and there's some great high school teachers out there. 03:08:38.767 --> 03:08:40.537 There are some fantastic teachers. 03:08:41.472 --> 03:08:47.072 The whole system of education that we currently have, I think is, is in need of 03:08:47.072 --> 03:08:52.342 a massive overhaul, um, served a purpose in its way and it's time and it still 03:08:52.342 --> 03:08:56.322 has some good purpose, but, uh, I'm not here to disparage the school system, but 03:08:56.442 --> 03:09:01.192 I come from a, a background, I was five different high schools that I went to. 03:09:01.192 --> 03:09:01.452 Yeah. 03:09:01.992 --> 03:09:03.232 So, so, you know. 03:09:03.572 --> 03:09:06.912 Well, and the thing is, is like, I can think of two teachers. 03:09:07.102 --> 03:09:09.372 Maybe three, while I was in school. 03:09:10.162 --> 03:09:11.132 One of them was Mr. 03:09:11.132 --> 03:09:14.772 Bugler, and this guy, if anybody went to me for a secondary, 03:09:14.772 --> 03:09:15.712 they would know who he is. 03:09:16.212 --> 03:09:17.712 Um, and I think he passed away a while ago. 03:09:17.742 --> 03:09:20.541 But, he um, dressed in a cape. 03:09:21.007 --> 03:09:25.707 And was extremely eccentric, extremely like as like a chalkboard 03:09:25.717 --> 03:09:30.347 professor, a cape, a cape, like a full on, like university gown, 03:09:30.387 --> 03:09:32.207 cape, whatever it is in high school. 03:09:33.427 --> 03:09:37.017 And he was teaching, and this was, I think I had him for grade eight, if I remember 03:09:37.027 --> 03:09:38.867 before I switched to the self pay school. 03:09:39.307 --> 03:09:42.147 And so he was teaching a class for gifted students or whatever. 03:09:42.147 --> 03:09:43.267 So people that were accelerated. 03:09:43.297 --> 03:09:44.527 So you're just calling yourself gifted. 03:09:44.527 --> 03:09:44.807 Got it. 03:09:44.857 --> 03:09:47.997 Well, I don't, it could have been special gifted for all I know. 03:09:47.997 --> 03:09:49.487 That's just what they called it anyways. 03:09:49.987 --> 03:09:56.337 But, um, so, but what he continuously did was challenge me and what he proved. 03:09:56.812 --> 03:09:57.122 Right. 03:09:57.162 --> 03:10:00.732 Was my ignorance in history, my ignorance in so many things. 03:10:00.762 --> 03:10:05.061 And he, he proved that I should be questioning everything and 03:10:05.102 --> 03:10:08.912 understanding why I'm questioning and why these answers are what they are. 03:10:09.062 --> 03:10:11.672 So there's a lot of things I took from and him and I had screaming 03:10:11.672 --> 03:10:12.771 matches, just to be clear. 03:10:12.871 --> 03:10:16.762 Like it was not that he was like some, Oh, figure it figure to me. 03:10:16.762 --> 03:10:19.922 Like we had butted heads just as much as we agreed. 03:10:20.312 --> 03:10:22.062 However, he was challenged. 03:10:22.062 --> 03:10:24.331 He pushed and he was a great teacher. 03:10:24.502 --> 03:10:25.862 My other teacher, Mr. 03:10:25.862 --> 03:10:26.202 B. 03:10:26.467 --> 03:10:30.407 I've actually just communicated with on Facebook just recently after not talking 03:10:30.407 --> 03:10:31.817 to him since elementary school, basically. 03:10:32.337 --> 03:10:34.977 I remember him vividly because, and obviously this would probably 03:10:34.977 --> 03:10:38.117 never happen these days, is pulling outside my elementary. 03:10:38.117 --> 03:10:39.767 He knew I was hunting cause I started hunting. 03:10:39.787 --> 03:10:41.367 I got finished my core test when I was 10. 03:10:41.396 --> 03:10:46.567 So I was out there right at the hop and I was, he knew it was big into hunting. 03:10:46.597 --> 03:10:48.157 So when he came home, it was Monday. 03:10:48.572 --> 03:10:51.362 And he just came home from a hunt, went straight from the 03:10:51.362 --> 03:10:53.892 hunt to, to school to teach. 03:10:54.242 --> 03:10:56.082 So he's like, come check out what's in the back of my truck. 03:10:56.102 --> 03:10:57.382 I went there and he's got his camper. 03:10:57.382 --> 03:10:59.042 And sure enough, there's a three point buck in the back. 03:11:00.882 --> 03:11:04.721 So I remember that vividly talking about hunting and fishing and all those things. 03:11:04.722 --> 03:11:05.392 And these are memories. 03:11:05.402 --> 03:11:08.161 So that's somebody that I would look up to more or less. 03:11:08.471 --> 03:11:09.311 You don't usually hear. 03:11:09.852 --> 03:11:13.412 Stories of teachers taking kids to the back of their truck ending. 03:11:13.872 --> 03:11:16.322 I mean, yeah, exactly, exactly. 03:11:17.172 --> 03:11:19.032 But, um, so yeah, I mean, now. 03:11:19.532 --> 03:11:23.562 Our schools, you know, to go down that path, our schools are, we're 03:11:23.562 --> 03:11:30.032 more, once again, focused on people's feelings versus the actual things 03:11:30.032 --> 03:11:32.072 that need to be done and taught. 03:11:32.232 --> 03:11:32.522 Right. 03:11:32.522 --> 03:11:36.661 Like even with all this, I was just told a couple of days ago, and I don't 03:11:36.662 --> 03:11:39.422 know if it's rumor or not, so I don't want to spread whatever, but I've heard 03:11:39.422 --> 03:11:43.772 it multiple times now that they have like, um, in washrooms, they have, 03:11:43.832 --> 03:11:46.642 um, like what you have for your cat. 03:11:46.987 --> 03:11:48.807 Because people are dressing up as furries. 03:11:48.927 --> 03:11:52.887 So yeah, now they're squatting, they're squatting in boxes. 03:11:52.897 --> 03:11:53.337 Come on. 03:11:53.797 --> 03:12:00.646 So, um, my mind is, I don't want to say it because I'm not going to confirm 03:12:00.647 --> 03:12:03.567 it, but I've been told multiple times from the high school that I went to. 03:12:04.146 --> 03:12:07.087 And so for myself, I'm, I'm thinking I'm like, okay, listen, 03:12:07.107 --> 03:12:09.257 I want all kids to feel inclusive. 03:12:09.427 --> 03:12:12.987 Like, don't get me wrong, but the reality is why are we focusing so much on this 03:12:12.987 --> 03:12:17.777 stuff when, and this is one thing that absolutely pissed me off to be very 03:12:17.777 --> 03:12:25.787 blunt, I go into my kid's school and every single, every single, and this 03:12:25.787 --> 03:12:31.146 is an elementary school and I'm in, you know, the back end of maple Ridge, right? 03:12:31.146 --> 03:12:34.576 So it's more redneck y if you would call that, right? 03:12:34.596 --> 03:12:35.586 By, by all means. 03:12:36.036 --> 03:12:38.716 And every single school door. 03:12:39.252 --> 03:12:40.452 has a rainbow on it. 03:12:40.502 --> 03:12:44.282 Every single school door has, uh, a rainbow flag. 03:12:44.692 --> 03:12:49.632 And so to be very clear, like if, if whatever your sexual preference is, I 03:12:49.732 --> 03:12:54.201 care less like you do you, if you're an adult, I want you to be happy, right? 03:12:55.002 --> 03:12:58.722 However, the one thing that stood out to me is there was not one provincial flag. 03:12:58.967 --> 03:13:02.167 Not one Canadian flag, not one thing was taught. 03:13:02.267 --> 03:13:07.617 My kid, who is now eight years old, has been taught all of these things. 03:13:07.966 --> 03:13:10.587 I took a globe and asked him where Russia was. 03:13:11.747 --> 03:13:14.367 He could not point out the largest country on the planet. 03:13:15.397 --> 03:13:20.937 So it's not the fact that what we're teaching our kids, I agree or disagree 03:13:20.937 --> 03:13:24.107 with, which a lot of it, I obviously disagree with, but it's the fact 03:13:24.127 --> 03:13:26.447 that we have no priorities, right? 03:13:26.657 --> 03:13:30.116 If our kid can't even point out the biggest country on the planet, 03:13:30.687 --> 03:13:32.917 but he knows you can be 72 genders. 03:13:33.297 --> 03:13:36.497 Don't you think we have a little bit of a priority issue on this planet? 03:13:36.957 --> 03:13:42.577 You know, the issue with inclusivity and hyper inclusivity. 03:13:43.942 --> 03:13:50.052 The natural outcome of that is exclusivity because you can't think outside of that. 03:13:50.052 --> 03:13:55.702 And it's, it's a very, you know, you take that to its natural progression and 03:13:55.702 --> 03:13:59.682 perhaps it's something that should maybe not be emphasized in school in the way 03:13:59.682 --> 03:14:03.892 that it currently is, because you will end up excluding other opinions that 03:14:03.892 --> 03:14:06.082 are contrary to what, what the norm is. 03:14:07.672 --> 03:14:13.302 In a way that they're trying to combat in, in the get go so well intentioned 03:14:13.682 --> 03:14:20.022 good way to go for it, but it does create an exclusive environment where 03:14:20.022 --> 03:14:24.552 if you do not subscribe to this way of thinking, you are now out and 03:14:24.561 --> 03:14:26.402 maybe take it to whatever you are. 03:14:26.502 --> 03:14:26.702 Yeah. 03:14:26.702 --> 03:14:26.972 Right. 03:14:27.022 --> 03:14:28.992 And it's, and that that's changing. 03:14:28.992 --> 03:14:29.732 I do see. 03:14:30.582 --> 03:14:35.292 It, well, it's just gone so crazy that it's, like you 03:14:35.292 --> 03:14:36.722 said, it's gone a full circle. 03:14:36.772 --> 03:14:38.962 We are invoking racism now. 03:14:39.112 --> 03:14:44.161 It's like it, it, it there's a, there is a teacher, a principal, I believe 03:14:44.372 --> 03:14:46.711 that got expelled, that got kicked out. 03:14:46.992 --> 03:14:48.801 I don't want to tell you what state cause I can't remember, 03:14:48.801 --> 03:14:51.062 but this is just recently within this year, you can Google it. 03:14:51.812 --> 03:14:56.122 And basically what she did was, is she separated. 03:14:56.592 --> 03:14:57.642 Blacks and whites. 03:14:58.842 --> 03:14:59.852 This old experiment. 03:15:00.072 --> 03:15:00.542 Separate. 03:15:00.602 --> 03:15:04.982 No, she separated it and basically created an apartheid because 03:15:04.982 --> 03:15:09.192 she felt that black youth should hang out with more black youth. 03:15:10.642 --> 03:15:11.102 Interesting. 03:15:11.112 --> 03:15:13.902 So it's not like the teacher that separated the blue eyes and the brown eyes 03:15:13.902 --> 03:15:17.902 or the brown hairs and blonde hairs and, and created that whole social dynamic. 03:15:17.942 --> 03:15:20.832 They, she's saying birds of a feather should flock together 03:15:20.832 --> 03:15:21.911 and, and she's trying to. 03:15:21.931 --> 03:15:22.992 And she was black. 03:15:23.202 --> 03:15:23.642 Gotcha. 03:15:23.692 --> 03:15:26.912 And she's saying, she's like, listen, like, um, black should 03:15:26.912 --> 03:15:30.012 experience more black culture with black people and so on and so forth 03:15:30.262 --> 03:15:32.572 and ended up creating an apartheid. 03:15:32.592 --> 03:15:33.742 In her own school. 03:15:34.322 --> 03:15:35.852 And so one of the. 03:15:35.902 --> 03:15:36.282 Whoops. 03:15:38.572 --> 03:15:41.492 But this is the whole point of what I'm trying to say is this, and what 03:15:41.492 --> 03:15:45.062 you're, what you're saying is this, this inclusivity, all of a sudden we're 03:15:45.062 --> 03:15:49.941 like, we're back to 1940 and Rosa, Rosa Parks would be like, you know, rolling 03:15:49.941 --> 03:15:53.392 in her grave right now, seeing that we are doing this to ourselves again. 03:15:53.632 --> 03:15:55.292 Well, the plot's been lost at that point. 03:15:56.222 --> 03:15:56.782 It's crazy. 03:15:56.852 --> 03:15:57.382 It's crazy. 03:15:57.562 --> 03:15:58.062 And it's just. 03:15:59.072 --> 03:16:04.052 I think this once again comes down to the part that is there racism in the world? 03:16:04.132 --> 03:16:04.682 A hundred percent. 03:16:04.712 --> 03:16:05.652 It will never go away. 03:16:05.872 --> 03:16:07.392 Is there, you know, sexism? 03:16:07.552 --> 03:16:08.862 Are there all these isms? 03:16:08.972 --> 03:16:09.632 Yes. 03:16:09.932 --> 03:16:10.222 Right. 03:16:10.531 --> 03:16:15.767 But in general, We are 1000% better than we have ever been. 03:16:16.177 --> 03:16:20.547 And so now we are searching for things that will make us 03:16:20.557 --> 03:16:22.346 like, I got a hard time too. 03:16:22.487 --> 03:16:25.626 You know, like I'm a ZZ, ZZ, ZZ, whatever. 03:16:25.627 --> 03:16:26.306 Don't you know? 03:16:26.787 --> 03:16:27.077 Right. 03:16:27.377 --> 03:16:29.026 Instead of, because I have nothing else. 03:16:29.137 --> 03:16:31.157 I have food, I have a shelter. 03:16:31.337 --> 03:16:33.727 I have, you know, I get to go to work. 03:16:33.747 --> 03:16:34.797 I can go to university. 03:16:34.957 --> 03:16:38.587 I get, I can get free drugs if I go down to East Hastings. 03:16:39.497 --> 03:16:39.707 Right. 03:16:39.857 --> 03:16:42.487 So much so that they're giving out free drugs and they're 03:16:42.497 --> 03:16:44.007 trading it in for fentanyl. 03:16:44.127 --> 03:16:44.777 My wife's a nurse. 03:16:44.777 --> 03:16:47.807 These people are still ODing from fentanyl because they're taking 03:16:47.807 --> 03:16:50.296 the clean drugs that they're getting from the government, right. 03:16:50.817 --> 03:16:52.196 And trading it for street fentanyl. 03:16:53.387 --> 03:16:57.146 So it's just come to this point that we're not talking about kids here. 03:16:57.147 --> 03:16:57.776 Are you kids? 03:16:57.787 --> 03:17:02.227 I'm not talking about kids, but the whole point is, is that right now, these days. 03:17:02.892 --> 03:17:07.492 Life is so good that we need to find some excuse and hardship that our 03:17:07.492 --> 03:17:08.952 generation's going through something. 03:17:09.602 --> 03:17:10.622 We're having issues. 03:17:10.622 --> 03:17:11.212 Look at me. 03:17:11.961 --> 03:17:16.002 And instead of focusing on how do we better society, how many, you 03:17:16.002 --> 03:17:18.732 know, one of the things growing up is, and I remember these ads, like, 03:17:18.732 --> 03:17:20.002 what can you do for your country? 03:17:20.852 --> 03:17:21.132 Right. 03:17:21.502 --> 03:17:26.112 How many of our youth, how many of, you know, even my generation and 03:17:26.122 --> 03:17:29.522 old, how many of us are thinking, what can we do for our country? 03:17:30.117 --> 03:17:32.507 Versus what can our country do for us? 03:17:33.827 --> 03:17:36.937 And I think, you know, when you ask, what can we do to change things? 03:17:36.937 --> 03:17:42.036 What can we do to, you know, help, um, you know, our cause when it comes to, 03:17:42.346 --> 03:17:46.806 um, firearms and all these other things, it's like, what the fuck are you doing? 03:17:48.616 --> 03:17:50.027 You know, what are you doing? 03:17:50.457 --> 03:17:53.677 And that's the first question we should always be asking ourselves. 03:17:53.747 --> 03:17:57.036 Cause back to this whole stoic philosophy, what is the only 03:17:57.037 --> 03:17:58.097 thing we have control over? 03:17:59.052 --> 03:17:59.592 It's what we do. 03:17:59.612 --> 03:18:04.442 I can't, I can't force you to do anything, but if I want you to do 03:18:04.442 --> 03:18:08.062 something, I can tell you the best way to do it is watch me do this. 03:18:09.197 --> 03:18:11.527 So if the first question is, what are you doing? 03:18:11.587 --> 03:18:12.747 What would the second question be? 03:18:14.207 --> 03:18:15.727 Well, what effect is that having? 03:18:16.597 --> 03:18:18.777 Because I think there's a lot of people out there that will do 03:18:18.777 --> 03:18:20.747 things that have minimal effect. 03:18:20.907 --> 03:18:22.727 But they look at, look at all the things I'm doing. 03:18:22.846 --> 03:18:23.136 Yeah. 03:18:23.187 --> 03:18:24.357 Look at how fast I'm running. 03:18:24.407 --> 03:18:25.806 My arms are going so fast. 03:18:26.687 --> 03:18:29.507 And, and so like business, right. 03:18:29.587 --> 03:18:32.517 I have a philosophy on how I kind of do things. 03:18:32.527 --> 03:18:33.937 So I plan. 03:18:34.422 --> 03:18:34.932 First. 03:18:34.962 --> 03:18:39.372 So I, in my life and in business, I kind of have a CEO hat, and 03:18:39.372 --> 03:18:42.611 then I kind of have a worker hat for lack of a better word, right? 03:18:42.622 --> 03:18:44.232 Or realtor hat or whatever it may be. 03:18:44.562 --> 03:18:46.702 So my CEO hat, I'm planning. 03:18:46.821 --> 03:18:48.161 These are the things I'm going to do. 03:18:48.212 --> 03:18:49.762 This is how I'm going to execute it. 03:18:50.002 --> 03:18:51.001 This is what I'm going to do. 03:18:51.352 --> 03:18:53.952 And that could be for a week, month, quarter, year, 03:18:53.962 --> 03:18:55.582 whatever it may be, excuse me. 03:18:56.192 --> 03:19:00.372 Um, and then I go into worker and I just execute. 03:19:00.932 --> 03:19:04.152 I, I, I no longer, like, if you look in my schedule, it's completely booked 03:19:04.152 --> 03:19:05.752 out sometimes in 30 minute increments. 03:19:05.802 --> 03:19:07.792 I'm not, I don't plan what I do today. 03:19:08.522 --> 03:19:10.511 I've already planned what I'm doing, so I'm not thinking 03:19:10.512 --> 03:19:11.782 about what I should change. 03:19:11.782 --> 03:19:12.902 What I'm just executing. 03:19:13.172 --> 03:19:13.372 Right. 03:19:13.372 --> 03:19:14.101 So it's the same thing. 03:19:14.111 --> 03:19:17.281 Like I'm planning to help my gun range. 03:19:17.532 --> 03:19:19.312 Build an association. 03:19:19.502 --> 03:19:19.832 Okay. 03:19:19.882 --> 03:19:22.382 This is how I'm going to plan the rest of the time I'm going to execute. 03:19:22.422 --> 03:19:25.772 Now, while I'm executing, I track relentlessly. 03:19:26.492 --> 03:19:29.962 So what that means is when it comes to business, I know what my expenditure 03:19:29.962 --> 03:19:34.511 is, what's coming in, how many in real estate related, how many calls does 03:19:34.511 --> 03:19:36.262 it take to convert an appointment? 03:19:36.272 --> 03:19:38.592 How many appointments does it take to convert a sale? 03:19:38.982 --> 03:19:41.982 And I, now I'm, now I can look and track all of those things. 03:19:42.422 --> 03:19:44.281 Now, most people, what they do wrong. 03:19:45.087 --> 03:19:49.007 It's the day two of calling, let's just say they're, they've been 03:19:49.007 --> 03:19:52.107 cold calling strangers and they've got nothing but a bunch of hangups 03:19:52.107 --> 03:19:53.987 and FUs and so on and so forth. 03:19:53.987 --> 03:19:54.317 Right. 03:19:54.686 --> 03:19:57.427 And they're like this script, this thing doesn't work and they give up. 03:19:57.917 --> 03:19:58.197 Right. 03:19:58.667 --> 03:20:01.606 But really you don't have enough data to know if it does or doesn't work. 03:20:01.776 --> 03:20:05.267 So I track, keep that data at the end of the week or week two or 03:20:05.267 --> 03:20:08.977 month, a quarter, whatever that, that timetable is, I review that data. 03:20:09.497 --> 03:20:12.517 And so to your question, like a lot of people are running with their arms, but. 03:20:13.162 --> 03:20:17.722 I've had this question asked more than any other question in real estate ever. 03:20:18.142 --> 03:20:20.042 When an agent comes to me, they always come to me, Sean, 03:20:20.302 --> 03:20:21.302 I did 10 deals this year. 03:20:21.302 --> 03:20:22.562 I want to do 20 next year. 03:20:23.201 --> 03:20:23.421 Right. 03:20:23.472 --> 03:20:25.961 And everybody at my brokerage is going to laugh if they hear this because it's 03:20:25.972 --> 03:20:28.181 Herbie said a million times, 10 deals. 03:20:28.182 --> 03:20:29.031 I'm going to do 20 next year. 03:20:29.042 --> 03:20:30.101 I'm like, okay, fantastic. 03:20:30.111 --> 03:20:31.202 How are you going to do that? 03:20:31.482 --> 03:20:33.472 The most common thing I hear is I'm going to work harder. 03:20:34.292 --> 03:20:36.672 Well, you're probably going to have to, but that's great. 03:20:36.702 --> 03:20:37.072 Right. 03:20:37.492 --> 03:20:39.322 So let me ask you a question. 03:20:39.602 --> 03:20:39.922 Okay. 03:20:40.862 --> 03:20:46.742 If you were Elon Musk in front of your million shareholders and you said, 03:20:46.742 --> 03:20:49.802 Hey guys, next quarter, we're going to do an extra billion dollars in sales. 03:20:50.032 --> 03:20:50.362 Right. 03:20:50.692 --> 03:20:51.902 And they said, Oh, that's awesome. 03:20:51.902 --> 03:20:52.161 Elon. 03:20:52.192 --> 03:20:53.102 How are you going to do that? 03:20:53.702 --> 03:20:55.642 And you said, I'm going to work harder. 03:20:55.752 --> 03:20:56.392 They'd all laugh. 03:20:57.872 --> 03:21:00.092 And your stock would probably, well, maybe Elan it would go up, 03:21:00.102 --> 03:21:02.392 but everybody else would go down. 03:21:02.462 --> 03:21:02.822 Right. 03:21:03.261 --> 03:21:06.522 So instead I always tell them, it's like, listen, first of all, what is harder? 03:21:06.801 --> 03:21:10.232 Your perspective on harder versus my perspective might be two different things. 03:21:10.451 --> 03:21:12.262 I might think hard is 500 calls a day. 03:21:12.262 --> 03:21:13.542 You might think five is hard. 03:21:13.717 --> 03:21:14.007 Right? 03:21:14.377 --> 03:21:20.477 So everything I do is I plan, track, or execute, track while I'm doing that, and 03:21:20.477 --> 03:21:24.387 then reevaluate at a certain point in time that I've planned to, to see what 03:21:24.387 --> 03:21:29.076 is working, what can be done better, and how can I reevaluate that to plan again, 03:21:29.417 --> 03:21:31.086 execute, track, and do it all over. 03:21:31.537 --> 03:21:35.117 And that's kind of been my methodology for business since day one is 03:21:35.417 --> 03:21:36.967 if I don't know what I'm doing. 03:21:37.292 --> 03:21:37.762 Right. 03:21:37.812 --> 03:21:40.612 And I don't know what the consistency is and how it is, and what are 03:21:40.612 --> 03:21:41.412 the numbers in front of me. 03:21:41.412 --> 03:21:42.812 How do I know what to better change? 03:21:42.932 --> 03:21:43.362 Totally. 03:21:43.622 --> 03:21:45.991 And that's kind of, unfortunately, what you're talking about is a lot of 03:21:45.992 --> 03:21:47.692 these people are super busy, right? 03:21:47.922 --> 03:21:49.542 Have you tracked what you're actually doing? 03:21:49.851 --> 03:21:50.141 Right. 03:21:50.172 --> 03:21:52.051 What was your end goal in that? 03:21:52.112 --> 03:21:53.822 What was your purpose for doing that? 03:21:53.901 --> 03:21:54.261 Right. 03:21:54.972 --> 03:21:59.372 Now I'd rather have somebody busy arm out there doing something rather than nothing. 03:21:59.622 --> 03:21:59.892 Right. 03:21:59.962 --> 03:22:02.512 Cause I feel like that's most people in cases. 03:22:02.662 --> 03:22:02.972 Right. 03:22:03.422 --> 03:22:05.372 But I feel like there's a way to do it. 03:22:05.372 --> 03:22:08.181 That's obviously going to yield a better result. 03:22:09.391 --> 03:22:09.982 I love that. 03:22:11.372 --> 03:22:11.622 Yeah. 03:22:11.672 --> 03:22:13.622 That gives a lot of takeaway for people who are listening. 03:22:14.321 --> 03:22:21.882 Well, I think understanding and knowing that you have the ability to do this. 03:22:22.262 --> 03:22:22.722 Massive. 03:22:23.152 --> 03:22:23.792 It's huge. 03:22:24.452 --> 03:22:24.962 It's huge. 03:22:25.262 --> 03:22:26.872 And don't underestimate. 03:22:27.482 --> 03:22:30.892 The power of your voice and the things that you do. 03:22:30.922 --> 03:22:35.302 And I know this kind of sounds preachy or whatever it is, but it is the truth. 03:22:35.362 --> 03:22:39.962 Like entire, the reason that we don't have slavery in North America is 03:22:39.982 --> 03:22:44.772 because people started changing and it was one, two, three, four, and 03:22:44.772 --> 03:22:46.692 they continuously grow from there. 03:22:46.692 --> 03:22:47.271 Right. 03:22:47.272 --> 03:22:50.432 The reason why a lot of the things we don't like right now that are 03:22:50.432 --> 03:22:54.112 happening in this is because those voices are louder than ours and 03:22:54.112 --> 03:22:55.662 there's more people doing action. 03:22:56.027 --> 03:22:57.437 Then we are right. 03:22:57.817 --> 03:23:02.067 And so I know we have this fear of loss and it is a true fear. 03:23:02.067 --> 03:23:05.637 I'm not going to belittle the fact that you could lose your entire company 03:23:05.637 --> 03:23:07.117 by saying the wrong thing these days. 03:23:07.467 --> 03:23:07.807 Right. 03:23:08.237 --> 03:23:10.317 Usually easily, and I'm not going to belittle that. 03:23:10.327 --> 03:23:11.747 That is the fact, right? 03:23:12.387 --> 03:23:16.187 However, we all have to have this internal conversation. 03:23:16.187 --> 03:23:18.727 Like I mentioned before, is that what is your greater 03:23:18.727 --> 03:23:20.377 fear and what is your purpose? 03:23:20.377 --> 03:23:22.527 Is it to leave your kids with something different? 03:23:22.877 --> 03:23:23.207 Right. 03:23:23.407 --> 03:23:26.427 Or something that you will be proud of that at least I did something right. 03:23:26.697 --> 03:23:29.817 Or is it, it doesn't matter how much money you have, how much things you 03:23:29.817 --> 03:23:33.097 saved, but if all of a sudden, and I'm not saying we're going down this 03:23:33.097 --> 03:23:36.066 route, but all of a sudden we turn into communism, what is that worth anyways? 03:23:39.316 --> 03:23:42.947 Is there anything that we haven't talked about that we should talk about? 03:23:43.942 --> 03:23:44.962 Oh, that's a good question. 03:23:45.372 --> 03:23:45.992 Um, 03:23:50.752 --> 03:23:52.872 there's, there's lots of things I'd love to talk with. 03:23:52.872 --> 03:23:53.782 This is a great conversation. 03:23:53.782 --> 03:23:55.501 We're definitely going to have a cigar night and talk more. 03:23:55.762 --> 03:24:03.602 Um, I, I think, I think one of the things too is, is, um, that I try to 03:24:04.182 --> 03:24:09.482 instill as much as, as possible is, and you see this word being, you know, 03:24:09.592 --> 03:24:14.752 tossed around a lot, but I'm trying to be as grateful as I possibly can. 03:24:15.977 --> 03:24:20.247 And I think this is something that in business and these motivational 03:24:20.247 --> 03:24:22.247 speakers, like, Oh, I'm so grateful. 03:24:22.247 --> 03:24:27.597 I'm so this, I'm grateful for the fact that I always tell myself, like, I have 03:24:27.597 --> 03:24:33.086 two legs, I have this, I, I, it allows me to ground myself into the presence, right? 03:24:33.297 --> 03:24:34.266 Like, I'm grateful that. 03:24:34.327 --> 03:24:36.167 I'm here having this conversation with you. 03:24:36.357 --> 03:24:37.767 This is an opportunity. 03:24:37.777 --> 03:24:38.837 And I really appreciate that. 03:24:38.837 --> 03:24:42.197 A lot of people can't get just because of time or whatever the scenario is. 03:24:42.237 --> 03:24:42.587 Right. 03:24:43.047 --> 03:24:47.027 And so for myself, trying to be more grateful and understanding, 03:24:47.557 --> 03:24:50.796 if you're looking to succeed, it's very difficult to succeed. 03:24:50.796 --> 03:24:53.637 If you're not grateful for what you've already done and what you already have. 03:24:54.337 --> 03:24:55.257 And I feel like. 03:24:56.107 --> 03:25:00.357 We, you know, one of the reasons we have lost so much is because we weren't 03:25:00.357 --> 03:25:04.557 grateful for what we had and we didn't put the right things in place to enable, 03:25:04.596 --> 03:25:06.297 to keep those things that we've had. 03:25:06.627 --> 03:25:06.897 Right. 03:25:06.897 --> 03:25:10.867 So I feel, I feel gratefulness is something that I try 03:25:10.867 --> 03:25:12.196 to be as much as possible. 03:25:12.246 --> 03:25:12.957 How do you do that? 03:25:13.477 --> 03:25:14.336 People talk about it. 03:25:14.387 --> 03:25:15.717 They say, Oh, Hey, I'm grateful. 03:25:15.717 --> 03:25:16.987 They'll write it into a text. 03:25:16.997 --> 03:25:17.187 Yeah. 03:25:17.357 --> 03:25:18.327 Hey, I'm really grateful. 03:25:18.347 --> 03:25:21.497 How do you, do you show your gratitude? 03:25:21.507 --> 03:25:23.057 Do you internalize that gratitude? 03:25:23.057 --> 03:25:24.457 What is, what does that look like? 03:25:24.847 --> 03:25:25.327 So. 03:25:26.367 --> 03:25:30.287 You know, obviously I'm grateful for everything people do for me for, you 03:25:30.287 --> 03:25:34.887 know, being able to even, but I think the grateful that I'm talking about more or 03:25:34.887 --> 03:25:41.967 less is just truly being, and this comes back moment, momentum, uh, mental Mori 03:25:41.976 --> 03:25:45.187 again, it's just, I'm alive, you know? 03:25:45.187 --> 03:25:47.787 And when we talk about like, you've been in your lows of your lows 03:25:47.787 --> 03:25:49.277 and your highs, your highs, right. 03:25:49.677 --> 03:25:52.067 It's grateful to have money in your account. 03:25:52.127 --> 03:25:52.507 Right. 03:25:52.757 --> 03:25:55.597 But on the lows and lows, that's the time where you have to be the most grateful. 03:25:56.127 --> 03:25:56.357 Right. 03:25:56.367 --> 03:25:59.397 That's the time that if you really want to get out of that funk or wherever 03:25:59.397 --> 03:26:03.447 you are in that time and world is the easiest way to do that is like, 03:26:03.447 --> 03:26:06.416 okay, like, and I'm sure you guys have all seen that GIF is, you know, 03:26:06.417 --> 03:26:11.996 there's, there's a guy that's looking up and the guy has no feet or no legs. 03:26:11.996 --> 03:26:14.517 And he's just looking at the guy with the legs and the guy with the legs and 03:26:14.517 --> 03:26:16.827 looking at guy with shoes and the guy with the shoes, looking at guy with 03:26:16.827 --> 03:26:18.527 the bike and the guy with the bike is looking at the guy with the car. 03:26:19.217 --> 03:26:22.827 We're always one step upping where we're trying to be right. 03:26:24.787 --> 03:26:28.907 If you want it to be an actual impactful thing to yourself, 03:26:29.027 --> 03:26:32.057 and I'm not just talking about like, you know, hashtag grateful, 03:26:35.357 --> 03:26:40.027 but actually having some importance where you can feel the chemical change 03:26:40.027 --> 03:26:44.737 it does in your body is you need to actually be, look at yourself and be 03:26:44.737 --> 03:26:46.527 like, what am I truly grateful for? 03:26:46.857 --> 03:26:47.597 Like I. 03:26:47.922 --> 03:26:51.442 I sat down yesterday with my kids and I got a new black puppy, a 03:26:51.442 --> 03:26:56.072 black lab puppy, and I'm sitting there and I'm just like, wow, I'm 03:26:56.072 --> 03:26:58.281 like, I got the dog that I wanted. 03:26:58.372 --> 03:26:59.762 My kids are healthy. 03:27:00.091 --> 03:27:03.372 Like I have lots of kids, like a friend of mine, his kid passed away. 03:27:03.432 --> 03:27:07.511 Like these are unimaginable things and these things still may happen. 03:27:07.827 --> 03:27:10.477 You know, like we don't have control of what will happen in the future 03:27:10.477 --> 03:27:11.517 when it comes to those things. 03:27:12.007 --> 03:27:17.717 So being grateful when you, when you practice it properly, and I'm 03:27:17.717 --> 03:27:20.467 not trying to say there's a right or wrong way, but you will know how 03:27:20.467 --> 03:27:21.937 you feel when you think about it. 03:27:23.796 --> 03:27:28.176 You know, there's that, uh, saying a rich person wants many things, 03:27:28.506 --> 03:27:30.296 a sick person wants just one. 03:27:31.042 --> 03:27:31.252 Yeah. 03:27:32.272 --> 03:27:35.032 Sean, it was absolutely amazing having you on the podcast. 03:27:35.062 --> 03:27:36.862 Thank you so much for coming on here. 03:27:37.102 --> 03:27:37.912 Thanks for having me, brother. 03:27:37.912 --> 03:27:38.512 I appreciate it.