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after the Bucha rose, the
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I know, for me, it's, I'm such a
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tonality, man,

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he made it boom. He did. Did he
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You have to, because it's a 26
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right? That's right, was it
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did he go bigger than that? No,
I think he was pretty much

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always 26 Yeah. Always 26 Yeah,
he would play 26 It is, yeah. He

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would vary Tom sizes. Sometimes,

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yes, they played tubs, big, old,
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big, but tuned higher than
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Why wouldn't you do that?
Though? I mean, just high buddy,

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like a jazzer, yeah, jazzer.
Why? Why wouldn't you play a 26

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inch kick. Is it? You know, you

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have to be respectful of the
genre, like we're pushing it

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with our 20 fours. That's true.
You know what? I mean? Well,

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for, I mean, for country. I
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be mixed down, 24

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is perfect for modern country. I
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you want to be a little bit more
polite pop. 20 is a great

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overall bass drum show, if
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casuals, and then you're talking
about volume, even the sonic

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quality, like a 20, you can
cover the entire history of

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music, pretty much.

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This is the rich Redmond show.
What's

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up? Folks? Give your watch, your
iPhone, your clock, if you got

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one of those on the wall, old
school is correct. It's time for

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another always exciting episode
of the rich friend Show coming

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to you from beautiful Spring
Hill, Tennessee. We talk about

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things like music, motivation,
success. Lots of drummers walk

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through this door because
drummers, we are the cake. We

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are the foundation. Everything
else is the frosting. It all

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falls apart without us. I love
talking to drummers, and I got

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another one right here. He's my
longtime friend. 19 years. He's

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come up on his 50th birthday
this year. We got to do

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something really big. Jim
McCarthy. Jim McCarthy,

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voiceovers.com, thank you. I
have no idea what you're talking

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about. Dude, it's gonna be a big
one. Buddy, one level. 49 what's

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the day? What's the I should
have been memorized after 18

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years? August, 20. Okay, it's
gonna be great. And so what do

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you want to do? Do you want to
do a big public thing, like at

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the red door, or Fauci or one of
the or do you want to just do,

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like, a private thing, you know,

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as I I'm good with my backyard
or the fire. Let's do

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that. Very chill. Let's do that.
No one has to drive, right? I

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like that. No one. Hey, did you
watch the Grammys? I did. I'm

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sure we're going to talk to with
our guest today about the

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Grammys. But I think that, you
know, there's a new era of the

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Grammys. I was a really
enjoyable show. Harvey Mason is

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a an amazing drummer. He played
all these Herbie Hancock

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recordings, classic la drummer.
His son, Harvey Mason Jr, is

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like the president of the Grammy
Association. I think he's been

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doing a great job updating it.
And I like watching the show

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because I get to keep up with
all the new styles and genres

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and sub genres. So what stood
out to you? Well, I don't want

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to become to get off my long
guy, right? So everyone's

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talking about this chapel, Rome
chapel. Ron. Oh my god, the kids

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are loving this girl. She had
the biggest day at Lollapalooza,

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the biggest crowd ever. And I'm
like, Okay, let me check this

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out. So I'm like, All right, I
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performance, then I went and I
did the deep dive on Spotify.

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And all's I got to say is I have
listened to her song pink pony

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club about 50 times. I did a
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yesterday, and I played it over
and over, and it is an ear wig.

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It's a master class in writing
architecturally perfect pop

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music,

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right? It's a lot of color to
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And I'm just, despite the name,
I'm just dancing. And then the

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subjects are really, because I
lived in West Hollywood for two

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years, and I know what's
happening there. And it's, it's,

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it's fun, it's a fun town. Fun
was a way to put it. So anyways,

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I really enjoyed that. And hey,
I just want to do just a little

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bit of housekeeping here, just
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just letting people know we're
February 24 I'm going to be at

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the Coliseum Nashville, the
Coliseum national.com I'm going

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to be doing a two hour master
class. Come check us out. March

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15, they're gonna be doing a
clinic at the West Coast drum

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Center in Seattle. Check out my
socials for all the stuff. March

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16, I'm gonna be at the wood
stick drum festival with Greg

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Bissonnette, also in Seattle.
Come check that out on july 21

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the day after the Music City
drum show. Now the Music City

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drum show, you're gonna be
there. You're I'm gonna be there

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the 19th and the 20th, right?
And we're gonna have a booth.

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We're gonna step and repeat.
We're gonna be selling things.

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say, is that we're gonna have,
we're gonna have merch. Merch is

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coming. We're finally, after six
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episodes. We're gonna have
hoodies, hats, coffee mugs, all

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the stuff, 19th and 20th. We're
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the thing. We're gonna have a
booth, and the day after, I'm

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gonna be at the drum supply
house, I'm gonna be doing a big

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clinic. So that's where I'm
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because we got an amazing guest.
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spirits. We are members of the
mutual admiration society. I

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think this guy is so
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Orleans, calling Nashville home
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band of member of the award
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Ezra. 13 years he's playing with
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Land for 18 years. Currently,
he's playing with Frankie

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Ballard, but he also does tons
of recording sessions. From

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Music Row, from his home studio.
Look at these people, these work

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with. We're talking big and rich
Billy Pilgrim cowboy, Troy,

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Frankie Ballard, Gavin de Grau,
having a hazard. Christian

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Bucha. It goes on and on. Then
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James Blunt, Marshall, Crenshaw,
the Indigo Girls, Lady Gaga.

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Sean Mullins, there's Daniel
Daniel powder, Suzanne Vega, the

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B 50 twos. Butch Walker,
Beyonce. This is a big boy

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resume. I'm talking about my
friend Travis McNabb. What's

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happening, fellas? So we are so
happy that you made the trip

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over to Spring Hill, our new
home. Yeah, you're a

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franklinite, right? I am, yeah,
so I'm not too far. You got the

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studio on the hill? Yes. Indeed.
If anybody's followed your

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Instagram, they know how COVID
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jealous drummers. That's a
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It's a beautiful space. I feel
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deserve it. Well, when my wife
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Orleans, we, we, it's just two
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so we had a smaller home in New
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that here, because always there.
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band Better Than Ezra down the
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trying, we liked the Franklin
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bigger houses. And our
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were used to, thought we'd have
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studio separate, yeah. And so
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sense. Okay, these are all
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going to wind up being in. Up
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which is great. And now I track
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but we're really fortunate. We
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a hill, so it's a walkout
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like in a dungeon, you know. And
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It's, it's, it's peaceful to be
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through the horse farms and all
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yeah, is this meditative moment
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into that peaceful space just
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workspace for me, but it's, but
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so check it out, folks, you're
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Persian rugs, tons of vintage
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curated percussion, everything's
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nice, man. Yeah, I'm spoiled. So
mine is gonna be the typical um

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man cave above the garage, okay,
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foot ceilings. See, that's that
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higher ceilings, but you get
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yeah, totally. And I do have
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can get good room sounds, even
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height I wish I had, yeah, I
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careful about actually being
dynamic regarding the symbols,

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you know, that's the biggest
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like it's a live show, they're
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you know, with the compression
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stuff, it becomes, uh, not
pleasant. So that, that's

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something I've learned and
figured in the space, yeah, you

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know. But other than that, it's
absolutely love it, yeah.

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And so now, does, does your
your, does your wife work from

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home? Because you got to work
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less she does. She's a woman of
many talents, and has had many

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careers, but currently, her main
thing is she's, she's in real

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estate, nice, and so she's out
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the office, so she really,
she's, so, I think, used to it

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or okay with it, you know. So
anytime I need to, whether it's

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recording or working up new
material for a gig I'm gonna do,

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or whatever, I'll ask her, or
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are you just go do it? Yeah, but
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25 years, man. It's amazing for

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a rock star like for you to be
available to be committed. 25

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let's do the math. 25

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How long ago was it? That was a
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the end of 99 and it was at in
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House of Blues at Mandalay Bay.
How long have you got been

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dating at that point? About
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that's what's good?

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standard is that right? Two
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days. You guys, you've been
saying, Yes, dear,

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wow, that's awesome. Yeah. I
mean she literally, okay. So

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where my drums are in the space
of our my basement studio, our

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sofa is directly above them, so
she will nap right above me

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while I'm playing. She's, it's
amazing. It's amazing. Yeah,

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wow. Well, that is, that is
great, and we'll talk about

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that, because that's a big thing
in the modern world, is having

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your own space. So I'm in no
rush, because, you know, the

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majority of times I find myself
in a commercial studios. You are

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many, many, many times, but it's
still only about 5% of my

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income. You know what I mean?
Because, you know, I do so many

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educational events, or I'm on
Southwest Airlines and do that,

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you know, but I can't wait to do
it. But I'm gonna do it, right?

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I'm gonna build a room within a
room. Oh. So I just gotta, you

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know, do that thing, float the
floor and do it right? Because

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this is my last studio. I mean,
I'm getting my AARP literature,

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you know. I mean, my hair is the
same color as yours,

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so you and I think are right at
the same Yeah, I love that you

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were eight months apart. Oh, is
that right? So I'll be 55 in

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July. Oh, okay, so I'm ahead of
you. So we're just, we're eight

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months apart. So you were born
in the 70s. I was just barely

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born in the 60s. Well, man
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on the moon, and then you were
born, that's right, right,

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exactly, right. And then for me,
one year later, you know the big

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the big collars, the big hair,
that's right. You know, John

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Travolta, Amanda, the 70s were
special. I agree. I agree, yeah.

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But you only remember what from
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But you remember the 80s more,

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think about with the 70s is
because you do, you tend to

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think of disco and the fashion,
the ridiculous fashion, that

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kind of that's awesome, but
ridiculous. But, I mean, think

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about early 70s Led Zeppelin,
yeah, you know what I mean,

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like, there was some great new
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of British Heavy metals. Yes, I
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feel like some of the best music
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69 to 82 that's a golden era of
the release, because you get

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Laurel Canyon, you get rock and
roll, you get the one hit

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wonders, and then you get ya,

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I'm a huge yacht rock, yeah? So
you guys love all this, yeah,

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what's that? Did you watch that
documentary? No, I haven't seen

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it yet.

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Well, I just got rid of HBO Max.
I'm saving $16 a month. Yes. And

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then there's a new there's a new
show with that Noah guy from er,

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he's in another medical drama.
Remember he was Clooney sidekick

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Noah Wiley, yeah. So he's the
lead in this new thing. It's

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called the, the unit, or the, I
forget what it's called, but

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anyways, it's like a visceral
you are in the ER, and the whole

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episode is one hour in real
time. Oh, kind

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of like that. Remember the show
24 Yes, wouldn't they wouldn't

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that? That was 24 episodes.
Yeah, yeah, in real time.

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Similar, similar concept. So now
I gotta get to the HBO again.

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Yeah, you do. But see now the
thing that drives me crazy

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because we have about 10 of
these stupid services, yeah, me

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too, but, but half of them,
including HBO, now you can

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either pay more or keep your
same rate, but now you got to

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watch commercials, so we're just
back to regular TV, except we're

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paying for each individual
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watching commercials. What

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do you guys get your regular
television through? Mine is, is

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I use Hulu for regular TV? It's

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$75 a month. Okay? I use YouTube
TV for my regular is that 50?

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No, it's similar 7070.
Something. Yeah. It's

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like, you cut the cord at some
point, and everything was really

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nice and cheap, and they figured
out a way to get you. They got

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us exactly

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well. And the other thing for us
is, because, I don't know if you

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have it on Hulu, one of the
appeals for us with YouTube TV

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was it had the local networks.
You know, my wife is loves

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particular shows on, like,
certain news shows every day,

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that kind of Yeah. So, you know,
today in Nashville, right? Yeah,

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you got,

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you got to have that stuff,
yeah? Well, that is, that is a

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great thing. But, you know, I
just feel like, so, like a bad

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friend that, you know, I admire
you so much. I feel like, you

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know you, are you? Are you self
taught, for the most part? Yeah,

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I am, yeah, because, in fact,
I've taken, I took one lesson

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about two or three years ago
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oh god, I'm so bad. Dave

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Elitch. Dave Elitch, thank you.
Wow. Probably put you through

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the meat well grinder, the thing
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I went to him for a specific
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lesson, and it's something I'm
still trying to incorporate my

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playing, and I haven't been able
to do it all the way, which is

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to not bury the beater, because
tonally, it's just better not to

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but being self taught, I just
the original pedal I had was

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crappy, and that just whatever.
That's how I wound up playing.

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And obviously, plenty great
players do play that way, yeah?

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But I'm a fan of the release,
yeah, the open tone. But I just,

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I've played for so long, burying
it that I'm, you know, he, he

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opened my mind and physicality
to how to do it, but I haven't

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gotten comfortable enough yet to
do it on a gig or on a session,

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unless it's really light touch
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I always thought you wanted to
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I think, but that's great.
That's interesting, Jim, because

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one of the most recorded
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Robinson, who is one of the few
drummers in the world that has

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close to perfect time. You know,
he's got, he passes the David

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Foster test, basically, like,
take a click track and you will

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not hear the click track for
three and a half minutes. That's

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not me. I'm Italian. I'm
emotional. No, it's not gonna

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happen. It doesn't affect my
ability to get worse, sure, but

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I just that's not my thing. He
pulls off and he gets tons of

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power. So, like, dude, like, you
know, the roof is on, dude, and

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it comes off, right? But all the
players that I all the rock

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drummers that I kind of model
myself after the Bucha rose, the

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Aronoff,

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they all bury it. I know, I
know, for me, it's, I'm such a

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big bottom fan, yeah, and that
tonality, man. In, he made it

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boom. He did. Did he come off?
He came off? You

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have to, because it's a 26 inch
bass drum with no muffling.

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That's right, that's

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right. Was it always 26 or did
he go bigger than that?

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No, I think he was pretty much
always 26

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Yeah, yeah, okay, 26 It is,
yeah. He would vary Tom sizes,

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sometimes, yes, but he played
tufts, big, old, generally big,

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but tuned higher than people
realize. Why

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wouldn't you do that? Though? I
mean, just high buddy, like a

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jazzer, yeah, like a jazzer.
Why? Why wouldn't you play a 26

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inch kick? Is it? You know, you

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have to be respectful of the
genre, like we're pushing it

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with our 20 fours.

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That's true. You know what I
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for coming for country. I mean,
is it country that could be

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mixed down 24

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is perfect for modern country. I
agree, 100% Yeah. 22 is good if

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you want to be a little bit more
polite pop, 20 is a great

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overall bass drum. So if you're
playing like weddings and

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casuals, and then you're talking
about volume, even the sonic

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quality, like a 20, you can
cover the entire history of

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music, pretty much, right? Yeah.
But,

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I mean, even for a front of
house application, you're seeing

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something like that on stage,
it's merely just esthetic,

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right? I mean, they'll be able
to mix it and do it. They can

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manipulate

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it to some degree, but, but
still, ultimately, the thing

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that you are making happen on
the stage or in the studio,

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whatever it is in front of the
microphone, it can be change and

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tweak but, but the original
signal is important, and it does

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affect the end result. The other
thing too is on the stage, you

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know how what you're hearing as
a player, as you blend the kit,

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you mix it yourself, as you play
what the band hears, you know

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that's all affected by how big
or small that drum is. Yeah,

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there are wedges or ears or
whatever you use, and that's

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part of the equation. But part
of it is just, how much physical

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air are you moving up there? You
know? What kind of band is it?

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What are you trying to achieve?
Wow, I never know

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if you're playing in, uh, what?
There's, there's, there's a

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couple of bands out now, the
credit, let's say Greta Van

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Fleet, right? And they're
totally taking updating Russia,

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right? So maybe that drummer's
got a 26 and that's gonna be

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great. Maybe there's a felt
strip on the front of felt

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strip, and maybe a little, maybe
a, maybe a hospital pillow, but

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sheep, you know, but not a lot,
you know, because all of us

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guys, we take the DW the bone
hourglass thing, yeah, you know.

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And, you know, invented that
like a Disney Scott crego, the

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drummer for the Eagles. He was
in a band called Venice, from

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Venice, California, in the 90s,
and the and he went, you know,

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he was close with John good, and
he said, got an idea. Now it's a

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standard giveaway on every DW
drum, crazy, the little muffling

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thing. It's like a muffling
bone. Yeah,

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I love those things. That's what
I use that and I use at some

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point, because I do bury the
beater and for a while there.

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Like, you know, if you're on an
arena tour, you can get away,

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like I was playing a 26 with
Sugar Land for a while on a

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couple of tours. But because of
the way that that batter head

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responds, or really the resonant
head bouncing back, and call,

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you know, all of that movement
together, burying the beater in

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a 26 it can get a little you got
to really bury it hard, or it's

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going to get flappy. And so at
some point, instead of a I

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didn't have a felt strip
available, so I used a bandana

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rolled up and used it like a
felt strip near the top of the

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head. And now I do that on every
drum, because I got so used to

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how that feels. Yeah, and it's a
nice, I don't know something

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about it that's become a thing.
So

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when you, when you say, better,
are you just a real question?

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I'm getting drum geeky on my
kick upstairs. I'm finding that

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I I don't know if I'm
intentionally coming off the

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head or if it's rebounding off
that. You know what I mean?

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What the thing is, is you don't
want, is you don't want the

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flutter. You want to choose
either take and fully commit to

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it. So pull that thing off like
you're playing bebop jazz. Bang

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comes way but way off. Think

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about how when you hit a hit a
Tom, and you take this, you'd

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not stick

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pulling off, right? But I mean,
when I hit my kick, it's like,

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maybe I need to UN detune it a
little bit, make it softer.

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I like a floppy kick head on my
power stroke three. Just, you

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know, with the flams, I

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like the power stroke three with
the dot nine, whatever that

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one's called, that's, that's,
but I don't use the flames.

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Yeah, that's my go to. So

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I was, when I was on your
Instagram, really recently, I

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saw your the shirt, the new
Sugar Land kit. And you're not

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afraid to just, really just,
you'll use a lot of those big

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fat snare drum mufflers, and
you've got, it seems like on

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your snare drum, you've got a
full one on there. Yeah,

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the one I use, though, and I use
it like 85% of the time on so

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much stuff that I do is the very
thinnest one they make, right?

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It's called the shining and it's
a much thinner ply than the

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normal big fat snare drum. So it
is the full head, but it because

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of it being thinner, it doesn't
like even the way the ghost

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notes feel in your hand and
stuff. It doesn't affect all of

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that. That must be a more recent
product from that. It's

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relatively recent. It wasn't on
in the early days. It's been

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around, I'm gonna say, five ish
years now, or something, but I.

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Because before they existed, and
it so happens I know Chris

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mazzeri mazarici From when at
one point Sara Bareilles was out

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with Sugar Land and he was drum
teching on, that's right. And it

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was around the time that that he
was about to launch big fast air

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drum, yeah. And so, you know, I
was aware of it and discussing

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it with him early on, but back
in the day, we all used to just

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cut out heads and do a similar
thing. Or at least I did, yeah,

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and I always liked using the
thinner ply of a two ply head as

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my pre big fat thing, you know,
as my homemade one or whatever,

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and so, and that was one of the
things at some point, I sort of

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said to him, I would love it if
there were a thinner version of

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this. Now, you know, it's not
like I was involved in that or

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Yeah, but I just always had that
opinion or feeling about it. And

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then eventually they did come
out with one good and that is, I

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use it much more often than not.

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I don't think I have that one. I
have all the models, even the

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one with the little ribbon
crasher and the jingles and all

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that. It's really fun to have.
So are you committing to that

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with as the sound of the snare
drum for the Sugar Land tour

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where it's like, say, taped down
and secured to the head and then

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your side snare? Is that an A
and F? It is now now A and F

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drums. I met that President,
Raffi. What's his name? Rami.

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Rami, yeah, sorry. Rami, yeah.
But Romy was like, I know you

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played dw, but if you, if you
buy like, like, say, you buy two

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or three of more of drums, I'll
give you insane now, because I

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know which ones I want, right? I
want the giant pancake ballad,

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right, right? Yeah, that thing's
and I want the little crazy one

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that you

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have. And that little crazy guy
is, man, I love that thing. And

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actually, because fairly soon
after they opened, I was in

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Austin, gosh, it was five or six
years ago now, because I think

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it was there for Frankie
Ballard's wedding, actually, and

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I reached out to him. He said,
Yeah, come by. And I went. And

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he kind of gave me a tour of the
place. And so then we had a you

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know, person to person
relationship. And I called a

423
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:03,600
year or two later to order drum
from and I wanted, not the giant

424
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:08,280
one, but one of the thin, Real
pancakey Drums, yes. And he

425
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,880
said, Okay, well, I was asking
some questions about what I

426
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,160
could get away with, tension
wise, on and that kind of thing.

427
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,320
He said, Well, what are you
really intending to do with it?

428
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,900
And I tried to explain. He said,
I don't think that's the drum

429
00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:21,440
you want. I think you want, and
it's the one I have, the little

430
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,520
rude boy that's, like, whatever
it is, yeah? And it's, it's for,

431
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:30,800
like, loops, first loops,
exactly. And he, he pointed me

432
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,680
to that instead of what I was
going to order. And I love it,

433
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,560
and I use it all the time, yeah,
yeah. And Ludwig doesn't get mad

434
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,840
because it's no, they don't
well, and they don't even make a

435
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,560
drum like that, yeah, there you
go, you know? So and I do. I

436
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,680
love the A and F. I love his
whole model. I love the esthetic

437
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,340
of the stuff. I love all of
that. But at this, you know, but

438
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,400
I've bought one of their drums
because it's something I can't

439
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,180
get from Ludwig. Ludwig, yeah,
you know, has just been so great

440
00:22:55,180 --> 00:22:56,080
to me. Weren't you

441
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,620
originally with DW it was DWI,
because I always look at your

442
00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:04,320
picture on the wall at the
amphitheater in St Louis. Yeah.

443
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,520
So he's he, you know, a younger
version looks exactly the same,

444
00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:11,580
but just all smiles, and he's
playing over here. DW, drops,

445
00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:15,060
yeah, yeah. I'm on a few walls
like that around the country,

446
00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:18,240
and I get a text about once a
month from somebody at one of

447
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,020
the venues, like, Oh, here you
are, you know, with brown hair,

448
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,960
like, obviously, I don't have a
steak in any of aldeans

449
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,260
restaurants, but it's nice to be
plastered all over the wall.

450
00:23:27,260 --> 00:23:30,380
Sure, crack symbols and
drumsticks out there and stuff

451
00:23:30,380 --> 00:23:33,260
that's fun. So Jim, you don't
know about A and F drums, but

452
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:37,820
it's like a like, the epitome of
hipster boutique drum companies

453
00:23:37,820 --> 00:23:41,020
in Austin, Texas. And they look
so cool, and they sound so

454
00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:44,140
unique, and they have such odd
sizes. But it reminds me of like

455
00:23:44,140 --> 00:23:48,340
a drum that you would find on
like, the Nostromo spaceship

456
00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:52,840
from Alien, right? Just Oh yeah,
yeah, battered and blistered.

457
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,080
And, yeah, I'm looking at them
now. They're cool, beautiful.

458
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,560
They're really cool. Yeah, super
unique. Yeah, they can't be

459
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,560
cheap. They're not cheap.
They're not cheap. It's, they're

460
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,100
small. They're small batch.
Yeah, it's really, looks like

461
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:05,400
really

462
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,640
big kick drums and four piece.
But they're

463
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,100
not wood. They're, they're all,
well, it

464
00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:13,920
varies. Yeah, they do wood ones
and metal ones, yeah, and the

465
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,320
metal ones are, yeah, they're
cool. That's the one I have. Is

466
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,240
this steel you know? Do they
have

467
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,180
one at forks right now? Do you
know? Because there was a metal

468
00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:23,660
kit there yesterday, probably
they

469
00:24:23,660 --> 00:24:25,880
might, yeah, I would say
definitely. Nelson would,

470
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,800
because that's yeah, they're
esthetic,

471
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,200
yeah. No, I know they have a
bunch of their snare drums. I

472
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,140
can't recall if they, yeah, have
a kid at the moment or not. But

473
00:24:33,140 --> 00:24:34,280
they, I know they carry their
stuff,

474
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,060
yeah. But I just, and then the
reason, the way I said that, I

475
00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:41,020
got pulled away from saying how
much I admire you. And this is a

476
00:24:41,020 --> 00:24:44,080
big boy resume. This is somebody
who's been working in the music

477
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,800
industry successfully since, for
since you were 18. Yeah. I mean,

478
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,940
that's, that is a rarity, yeah,
you know what I mean. And

479
00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:54,100
you're, you're not just
surviving. You have always

480
00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:59,140
thrived, you know. And, and when
I watch you play, I mean, for

481
00:24:59,140 --> 00:25:02,580
everything from. The way, the
tone, the way you strike, you're

482
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,240
touching, your technique, the
tone you get, your posture. You

483
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,480
have good hands, good balance
between the limbs. You have a

484
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,360
feel. You have a groove. I think
that, you know, you can't grow

485
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,820
up in New Orleans and not have a
feeling, a groove. Yeah, it's in

486
00:25:14,820 --> 00:25:16,800
the water, it's in the food,
it's in the culture. It's in,

487
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,380
you know, it's everywhere, but
it's in the room. Even it's in

488
00:25:19,380 --> 00:25:23,060
the room, it's and, and, and
you're, you're not afraid to

489
00:25:24,140 --> 00:25:29,000
dress you know, the because the
disease and being a country pop

490
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,000
drummer is to wear all black,
right? But you go out there and,

491
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,240
you know, you got an ascot, you
got your vests, you know? And I

492
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,060
was gonna ask you, like, I've
always had, I like the vest with

493
00:25:38,060 --> 00:25:40,720
the t shirt thing, I wore that
out. But you always have some

494
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,760
sort of, like, a dress shirt,
but it's not a full length,

495
00:25:42,820 --> 00:25:45,100
yeah? What I was

496
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:48,160
more up here? Yeah, I'll do a
short sleeve, just because it's

497
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,500
not quite as dressy, but it's
just more realistic. As a

498
00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:52,660
drummer, what's, what are the
brands for short sleeve dress

499
00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:54,880
shirts? I find some

500
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:56,980
picking notes,

501
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,620
yeah, I know, right. I'm trying
to think there are a couple

502
00:25:59,620 --> 00:26:02,220
websites that are order stuff
from that. I can't think of the

503
00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:04,920
names like H M and so no, but I
do find stuff at H M

504
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,140
occasionally. And actually, I
find stuff at

505
00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:11,760
J Crew. J Crew, yeah, yeah,
yeah. We go into

506
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,780
Tractor Supply.

507
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,480
Car heart, that's right. Our
heart, yeah. Car hearts, very

508
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,380
styling. I like the car. That's
right, yeah, good stuff. There

509
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:21,740
is good

510
00:26:21,740 --> 00:26:23,780
stuff. Well, that's, yeah,
that's, that's the funny thing

511
00:26:23,780 --> 00:26:25,880
about fashion is, like, when
we've been all in our

512
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,640
perspective, perspective groups
for so long, you know, in the

513
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,400
early days, we were kind of like
a motorcycle gang with the, you

514
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,640
know, the chucks and the the
jackets and the wallet chains

515
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,100
and the right, and you can still
do that a little bit with the,

516
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:39,380
with the Frankie crowd, where
you got the cuffed up jeans and

517
00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:41,320
stuff, right, right? But it's
like, you know? And then we'll

518
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,240
go through the stage where we
look like the knack with the

519
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,880
skinny ties, and then I'll do
the vest thing, and then we'll

520
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,040
just do the T shirts, or we'll
do the rock t shirt and the

521
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,800
blazer. There's only we've done
it all.

522
00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:52,840
That's true. You know what? I
mean? Well, when you get to our

523
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,200
age, yeah, you've been through a
lot of, you know, eras, yes.

524
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,680
So I'm back to the to all black
with a splash of color on the

525
00:26:59,980 --> 00:27:02,820
ground. Just wear a hoodie.
You're the hoodie. Oh, you know

526
00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:05,700
what? The the gospel chops, R
and B guys wear their hoodies.

527
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:06,300
And

528
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:09,120
for me, the hoodies, the
hoodies, too casual. For me, I,

529
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:12,900
for whatever reason, I like it
to be a little more dressed up.

530
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:15,780
And that's just, I don't even,
yeah, that's what I feel like.

531
00:27:15,780 --> 00:27:20,460
You know, I'm, it's, it is,
ultimately, it's a form of art.

532
00:27:20,460 --> 00:27:23,720
It's a it's a commercial thing,
but at the same, but it's also,

533
00:27:24,260 --> 00:27:27,260
it's a show. There's show
business happening Absolutely,

534
00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:30,500
and I think you know, but even
in life, you know, how do you

535
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,320
want to present yourself? I
don't know. You know that stuff

536
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,400
matters a bit to me.

537
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,360
It all matters. Manny patties
matters skin branded look, skin

538
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:41,660
care matter waxing matters a
high dollar haircut. You know,

539
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,840
you know, you and I are not
afraid to spend a lot of money

540
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,360
on haircut. That's true. I added
up at the end of the year, and

541
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:49,600
I'm like, Well, man, damn. But
it's worth every penny, because

542
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,540
I kind of bought a Mercedes. You
gotta have, you got to have some

543
00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:55,120
good hair, man, you can't go to
super cuts. I mean,

544
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,760
I have my branded look. It's
like, you know, yeah, get up out

545
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,200
of bed and throw something on.
There

546
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,180
you go. But just consistent this
journey, this year. Yeah,

547
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:05,460
50 by 50. Okay,

548
00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:09,120
wow. What are you? Are you
doing? What is it? Is it more

549
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,800
about diet exercise, at

550
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,900
this point in the in life, it's
got to be about diet. Cheers.

551
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:21,680
No, I love it. It really is.
Because, I mean, it's, I can do

552
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,080
all the working out in the
world, but you got to get your

553
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,380
nutrition in line. Yeah, that's
true, yeah, dude, hey,

554
00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:30,380
so let's take us back, you know,
because we know that we don't

555
00:28:30,380 --> 00:28:32,960
have to go into your first drum
teacher and all that. What was

556
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,300
the what was the drummer that
inspired you to pick it up?

557
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,460
There was music in your family,
right? There was,

558
00:28:37,460 --> 00:28:41,860
yes, my my dad was a guitar
player. Not in my memory, not

559
00:28:41,860 --> 00:28:45,820
professionally. In his late
teens, early 20s, he was making

560
00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:48,940
a living in a little regional
band in Louisiana, playing, you

561
00:28:48,940 --> 00:28:51,940
know, mostly covers, that kind
of thing. His dad actually did

562
00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:54,520
the same thing. My grandfather
played bluegrass and country

563
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,180
music, wow, in South Louisiana,
and got married and had kids,

564
00:28:58,180 --> 00:29:01,200
and so he got a regular job. My
dad, same thing, got married,

565
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,560
started having my brother and I,
and so he got a regular job. It

566
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,680
became a hobby, but that said
music was important in our

567
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,980
household, both through my
grandfather and my father and

568
00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:14,520
the I have a lot of vinyl, much
of which I got from my parents.

569
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,100
They were record collectors, not
to collect records, but just

570
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,660
because of the music to enjoy,
yes, and so the turntable is on

571
00:29:23,660 --> 00:29:27,200
in our house more than the TV,
you know, it's great. And we all

572
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,680
there was a piano in the house,
and dad played guitar. And so we

573
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,500
would, my brother and I, both,
you know, learned a few chords

574
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:37,340
as kids and bang around the
piano. And even long before I

575
00:29:37,820 --> 00:29:41,080
played drums, you know, I
remember my dad talking about

576
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,020
music, you know, like, for
whatever reason, I've cited this

577
00:29:44,020 --> 00:29:48,340
example before, I remember this
conversation probably three or

578
00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:51,340
four years before I ever played
drums, of him saying, Okay,

579
00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:54,100
listen to MC Fleetwood in the
middle of this verse. He's just

580
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:56,440
gonna play a fill out of
nowhere. Like, it's not what

581
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,080
drummers normally do. It's so
interesting, but it works. It's

582
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,440
cool. It's where, you know. He's
pointing that kind of stuff out.

583
00:30:01,860 --> 00:30:04,380
I'm not a drummer at that point.
My brother or I aren't, you

584
00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:07,200
know, it's just that's what's
being talked about in our house.

585
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,800
So it's great, it's cool. It's a
musical household, even though I

586
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:17,100
wasn't pursuing an instrument as
yet, and so I think around 14

587
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:23,420
ish, I decided, after playing a
little guitar, and my brother

588
00:30:23,420 --> 00:30:26,060
had done the same thing. He's a
couple years older than me, I

589
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,500
decided, I think I want to
actually try to play bass, and

590
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:32,780
because it's similar the guitar
dad could teach me, but it's

591
00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:35,060
something new, because guitar
was boring, because we had

592
00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:37,220
always heard it around the
house, yeah, bass is easy. Yeah,

593
00:30:37,220 --> 00:30:41,740
bass is easy or so, right? So I
probably thought and, but my

594
00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:44,140
brother, being older and old
enough to get his first job, he

595
00:30:44,140 --> 00:30:46,360
said, Well, I'm gonna play bass.
And of course, as brothers, you

596
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,880
think, Well, of course, we'll be
in a band together, so I gotta

597
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,260
do something else now. And so
keyboards, whatever, you know,

598
00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:56,380
drums seemed more exciting. So
really, that honestly, is what

599
00:30:56,380 --> 00:31:01,140
set got me turned toward drums
was because my brother was gonna

600
00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:03,360
play bass. Now, what now? What
happened to your brother? Did he

601
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,220
would go into another career?
Yeah, he's an attorney

602
00:31:05,220 --> 00:31:07,020
in Washington, DC, works. Oh,

603
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,900
my God, holy cow.

604
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:13,500
But his his declaration that I'm
gonna play bass and I'll be able

605
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,440
to buy one, because I have a job
now, it's like, well, crap, what

606
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,540
am I gonna do? And so it got my
head thinking about drums, and

607
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:24,680
so I bought, right around the
time I turned 15, I bought a

608
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,340
crappy little piece together,
you know, mismatch made in

609
00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:30,800
Japan, drum kit. That was

610
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:31,760
a 1984

611
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,960
Yes, because Jim and I's gateway
records were synchronicity in

612
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,820
1984 Wow. So you go, what was
the record for you? For

613
00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:45,340
me? Because before I could buy
drums,

614
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,380
I knew I was I was saving up for
them. I knew I was going to do

615
00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:53,380
this. So I'm watching drummers
on TV and seeing what they do,

616
00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:57,820
and I'm air drumming, right? And
yes, the first concert I went to

617
00:31:57,820 --> 00:32:01,560
that I chose and bought a ticket
to was synchronicity tour. And

618
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,920
so it was Stuart Copeland, and
it was, and I was a huge Duran

619
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:10,560
Duran fan. So I was, I was air
drumming to, and you two early.

620
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,460
You two as well, those three
bands I was air drumming to, and

621
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:18,120
the first day, I brought those
drums home and set them up. Dad

622
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,080
got his amp out, and we're
playing songs.

623
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,280
It was at the Smoothie King
Arena in New Orleans. No, it

624
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,580
was at that point in high school
my family had moved to Phoenix.

625
00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:32,120
Oh, so yeah, I saw them at a at
a minor league baseball park in

626
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,680
Phoenix. Police madness and the
Thompson twins. Wow, Thompson

627
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,200
told me now, yeah, yeah, that's
the heyday of MTV. Absolutely.

628
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,780
Martha Quinn, or the girl that
talked like that, Nina

629
00:32:46,780 --> 00:32:47,320
Blackwood,

630
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,460
Martha Quinn

631
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:51,760
was just a Hartley. Nina Hartley
was a porn star. No, no,

632
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,060
yeah, she was, she was totally
But Martha

633
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,900
Quinn, she was

634
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:01,800
giving VJ, you have a fetish. I

635
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,600
think short

636
00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:06,540
hair? Yes, my wife has short
hair, yes. I mean, I like women

637
00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:08,640
with short hair for whatever
reason. I don't know

638
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,540
the like an androgynous, weird
thing, but yeah, no, it's been

639
00:33:12,540 --> 00:33:14,760
my thing the my entire life.
Well, I was gonna say I like

640
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,780
your My ex wife, yeah, yeah,
okay, yeah. Now I dating a girl

641
00:33:18,780 --> 00:33:21,620
with flowing Yes, blonde hair,
it's good, yeah, you had to

642
00:33:21,620 --> 00:33:22,340
adjust, yeah.

643
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,900
So we mature and our tastes
change. So you're playing along

644
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:31,160
these records, yeah? And
literally, like, not even

645
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,700
headphones, at that point, I put
my drums are set up in with my

646
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:38,180
back to the window in my
bedroom, and the speakers are on

647
00:33:38,180 --> 00:33:41,200
the window sill right behind my
head, and shit is cranked,

648
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:41,860
right? Yeah,

649
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,460
so you could stay with it, yeah?
Sometimes the needle would skip,

650
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,660
yeah, because I bet by

651
00:33:46,660 --> 00:33:48,940
that point I'm using cassettes,
probably, yeah.

652
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,260
And then here's like, your first
touring band is just

653
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,200
the wipers, the wipers, yeah,
are they on Spotify? Yeah,

654
00:33:56,380 --> 00:33:58,900
they're on spot Okay, so this is
I'm putting, I'm circling that

655
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:02,340
Yeah, and I'm circling
vigilantes of love, yes,

656
00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:05,940
yes, beggars, beggars, yeah, and
the beggars. So the beggars

657
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:13,920
were, it was, they were on we
signed Island Records. I was the

658
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,660
old guy in the band, and I was
23 or four. There two guys were

659
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:24,080
21 one guy was 16 or 17, oh my
god, yeah, and he was in the

660
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,680
front man. Was he? No, he was,
he was the bass player, and

661
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,540
there he goes.

662
00:34:30,980 --> 00:34:34,580
Oh my gosh, we're supposed to be
winning people over, just

663
00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:35,000
kidding.

664
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:40,399
And unfortunately, one of those
guys used the publishing advance

665
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:44,859
and to sadly, get hooked on
heroin. That band broke up

666
00:34:44,979 --> 00:34:48,399
quickly, even though it was a
bunch of young guys who had this

667
00:34:48,459 --> 00:34:51,339
major label record deal, but it
just kind of fell apart. And it

668
00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:55,059
was right at that time that that
band broke up. If I had that's

669
00:34:55,059 --> 00:34:57,879
when I got the call about
auditioning for Ezra. If that

670
00:34:57,879 --> 00:35:00,899
hadn't happened, I probably
would have stayed with. The

671
00:35:00,899 --> 00:35:03,419
couple other guys from that band
started a new band, which is, I

672
00:35:03,419 --> 00:35:05,759
don't know if you're familiar
with black rebel motorcycle

673
00:35:05,759 --> 00:35:07,739
club. Oh, wow, yeah. So that's
those are the guys in the

674
00:35:07,739 --> 00:35:10,679
beggars. Cool, yeah. So, so

675
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,620
here you are. You're doing your,
you know, your DIY touring,

676
00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:16,740
taking shifts, driving the van,
playing rock clubs, yep. So you

677
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:19,500
were ready for that with Ezra,
but Ezra was like some big boy

678
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:23,120
shit. There was one drummer
before you the first big radio

679
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,600
good. And there was,

680
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,740
like a China heavily featured

681
00:35:30,740 --> 00:35:35,900
yeah on the on the upbeat, yeah.
Fine, yeah. And I've played that

682
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:39,140
song so many times in my life
that I still find myself pulling

683
00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:42,040
that move out on certain like,
it'll just come at the end of a

684
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,560
song. It hasn't been a theme of
the song or anything, but on the

685
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,540
out, yeah, here comes one of
those, like, oh yeah. It's just

686
00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:47,080
automatic

687
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,800
in the DNA. It's in the DNA.
It's in the roof. Yeah. One year

688
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,680
without Dean, I did the double
China,

689
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,900
yeah, way up there, yeah. I
never did it the outfield thing,

690
00:35:58,900 --> 00:35:59,560
yes, yeah.

691
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,820
Well, I, I remember that
outfield songs because I had my

692
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,020
$40 Wuhan and I couldn't wait.
I'm just counting, just waiting

693
00:36:08,580 --> 00:36:09,360
in the garage.

694
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,560
We all had the Wuhan and the the
roto toms.

695
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,500
Yes, the funny thing is, is,
Jim's got, Jim's got a Wuhan

696
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:21,020
upstairs that's in, it's in
pretty good shape. And the funny

697
00:36:21,020 --> 00:36:24,260
thing about rototoms is you
don't want to get rid of them,

698
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:27,680
because no place for them. Well,
the thing is, is once you get

699
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,980
rid of them, then you're in a
missing persons tribute band, or

700
00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:33,860
you're in the spasmatics, right?
Because I was in the spasmatics

701
00:36:33,860 --> 00:36:37,100
for a while, and we dressed up
like nerds, and my kit was kick,

702
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:42,580
snare, floor tom, and then two
of the larger mounted roto tops,

703
00:36:42,580 --> 00:36:42,820
which

704
00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:46,180
I still to this day, have two of
the larger mounted roto toms,

705
00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:47,560
and I use them from time to

706
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,080
time. Yeah, there's any you can
get into Alex Van Halen mode.

707
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:50,560
Exactly,

708
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,980
remember the Remo spokes it was,
it was mounting the

709
00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:59,320
pieces of playing, yeah? Terry
bazio, yes. But the man the Alex

710
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,700
Van Halen, the 84

711
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,520
Oh, wait, yeah, oh yeah.

712
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,660
So good, right? How do you how
do you not? That

713
00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:12,360
was the most iconic of his snare
sounds in that song, the driest

714
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,180
bone. It sounded like a bone to
me, covered with tape.

715
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,200
Have you seen the video online
where they, they mimic they?

716
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,320
Yeah. It's amazing. Beato Rick,
yeah, and it's the tone, man,

717
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,240
did you do the

718
00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:28,820
I play that song at the tribute?
Which one

719
00:37:28,820 --> 00:37:32,720
did you play? Oh, wait. Oh,
really, I did Mean Streets,

720
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:36,800
nice. Oh, and at the end, the
thing that I loved, that I had

721
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,840
the the presence of mind to do
at that, by the way, if anyone

722
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,180
didn't know what we're talking
about, it was a Alex Van Halen

723
00:37:43,180 --> 00:37:47,200
halen tribute show, natural
drummers. Natural drums, 15,

724
00:37:47,260 --> 00:37:49,480
yep. So there's a house band,
and then all these different

725
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,760
drummers just hop up and play,
which they do at all these

726
00:37:51,820 --> 00:37:55,180
drummers jams. But at this one,
Alex sent his tech in his kit,

727
00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:59,140
so we all got to play Alex's
actual giant bass drums, so and,

728
00:37:59,140 --> 00:38:01,440
and, man, that the tones. It's
like, oh yeah, those are the

729
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,700
tones, yeah. But the really fun
thing was, at the end of the

730
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:09,420
song I played, I had the it
wasn't, I don't remember this

731
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:12,600
being predetermined, but I just
had the presence of mind to play

732
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,220
every dang thing on the kit. So

733
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,920
as long as I have this
opportunity,

734
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,340
were you able to bury the bass
drum beater in that on his

735
00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:26,300
that's a good question.

736
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:29,120
I probably did, just because
that's how I play. But I bet it

737
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,660
was a bit of a he's got, what,
26 or 12, yeah, and they're

738
00:38:32,660 --> 00:38:35,060
pretty open. You really got to
do it. Otherwise, if you don't

739
00:38:35,060 --> 00:38:35,600
fully commit,

740
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:37,280
you get to, yeah, that ain't
gonna work.

741
00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:40,280
And I know I don't do that, so I
guess I must let off. You must

742
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,260
let off. Yeah, well, we're gonna

743
00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:43,420
go. We're gonna find out
upstairs. Yeah, Jim is, you

744
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:46,060
know, Jim, I would say the Jim
abandoned drumming, but he had

745
00:38:46,060 --> 00:38:47,680
to press one of our minds. Maybe
that's

746
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,780
one of our things that we've
talked about for merchant

747
00:38:49,780 --> 00:38:52,540
earlier. Start asking all, I
guess so you want to see my

748
00:38:52,540 --> 00:38:55,060
drums, because that's what I did
the last time

749
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,540
radio. He got into sales. Now
he's, he's a podcast host, you

750
00:39:00,540 --> 00:39:03,540
know, doing producing 20
podcasts, but once, once a

751
00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:07,320
drummer, always a drummer. And
so he, I love him for this. He

752
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,960
had, he had, there's this Huey,
little Huey lose trivi band in

753
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,080
the area. And he said, that gig
is mine. I said, when I

754
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,660
met the guys, I said, I'm going
to be your drummer. And I love

755
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:19,140
it. He just

756
00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:21,420
made it happen. Oh, that's
awesome. He just manifested. So

757
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:24,080
he's got a gig coming up at the
scene. Gig coming up at the I

758
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,540
want to go. I want to see this.
Oh, boy, because there's no

759
00:39:26,540 --> 00:39:29,600
pressure at all now. It's good
thing. Yeah, do your thing.

760
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:30,320
Seriously,

761
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,440
the Huey Lewis stuff is so good.
It's a lot harder than you

762
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,100
realize. It is. Man, they were a
great band, yeah, and it's, it's

763
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:40,040
funny you talk about, you know,
you mentioned getting lessons

764
00:39:40,220 --> 00:39:43,420
for the first time. You know,
not too long ago? Yeah, Bill

765
00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:46,720
Gibson, we had him on the show,
what about six months ago or so?

766
00:39:46,780 --> 00:39:49,300
Never taken a lesson. Never,
okay, he's starting to take

767
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:52,000
lessons now. He's in his 70s.
Wow, that's amazing.

768
00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:53,320
Yep, he's working crazy. He's

769
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,840
working on his left foot, clave
and his song go and all that,

770
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:56,740
all that stuff. Yeah,

771
00:39:56,860 --> 00:39:59,740
it's funny. You know, for
somebody like you, you got to go

772
00:39:59,740 --> 00:40:02,220
and. I would imagine it's, it's
similar to me, because I've

773
00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:05,460
done, been doing voiceover for
20 plus years, and at some

774
00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:07,800
point, yeah, I know, I know my
stuff, but where can I take

775
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,760
this, right? That's right.

776
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,600
What else? What else? What about
what I do? Yeah, what might I

777
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,680
change if I could? But

778
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,140
how many people did you go
through that? Be like, Dude, I

779
00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:18,780
don't know what to do for you,
you know, because I had to go

780
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:19,200
through that.

781
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,340
Did you? Yeah, for me it was, it
was fairly simple, because if,

782
00:40:22,340 --> 00:40:26,060
for me, it was a very specific
thing, it's the bass drum beater

783
00:40:26,060 --> 00:40:29,960
thing. And Elitch is sort of
known in the drummer community

784
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,400
as the drummer, the teacher to
the pro drummers posture.

785
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:36,680
They'll find something, yeah,

786
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,620
well, and it's very much, it's
very specifically about posture

787
00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:41,140
and technique. And, you know,

788
00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:43,720
is he kind of like a Freddy
Gruber? Yes, he's the new

789
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:46,420
Freddie Gruber, really? Yeah,
yeah. Because Freddie Gruber is

790
00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:49,720
all about keeping that snare
drum level with your navel and

791
00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:52,960
well. And I think, I think his,
maybe some of his approaches and

792
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,420
particulars might be different,
but it's the same notion where

793
00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:59,680
he has a very specific idea
about what the best physical

794
00:40:59,740 --> 00:41:03,060
approach to a drum kit is, and
that's what he teaches,

795
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:04,920
ergonomics, ergonomics, yeah,

796
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,740
because that's, that's kind of
like, that was always my thing

797
00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:12,180
was, I see guys, most
specifically the drummer, and my

798
00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:14,640
brother. My brother's in two
different tribute bands, and

799
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,220
they kind of share a band, but
with two different singers, Bob

800
00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:20,720
Seger and a journey tribute pin.
And the drummer's got, like, I

801
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:24,500
say, it looks like somebody's
setting up drums for

802
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,020
the first time. Look

803
00:41:27,020 --> 00:41:28,160
in the Craigslist ad

804
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,460
right, right now. You ever see
the Facebook group called badly

805
00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:34,160
sold drums? No, yeah, Jim,

806
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,520
I gotta say you are, you are a
member of every Facebook group.

807
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:45,640
Every time I go to join one, you
are in it already. Member Jim

808
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,120
McCarthy,

809
00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:49,540
Facebook group, want to see my
drums. Pretty

810
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,380
much. I love Franklin. I love
Spring Hill. I love Cool

811
00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:56,200
Springs, because this guy's
smart. He wants to do business

812
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,480
with everybody. Speaking of
doing business, tell us about

813
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,060
the tenure in Better Than Ezra
being a rock star looking back

814
00:42:03,060 --> 00:42:09,060
at the the glorious 90s, the
velvet rope cocaine era of the

815
00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:12,720
music business, you know,
because I didn't hit my stride

816
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,800
and find my success really,
until I was 34 years old, with

817
00:42:16,860 --> 00:42:18,480
which put me in 2004 2005

818
00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:22,280
so I really only know, you know,

819
00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:26,840
navigating the Nashville music
business, sure, I lived in Los

820
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,680
Angeles, yeah, but you lived in
and worked in the New Orleans

821
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,860
scene, the Nashville scene, the
Atlanta scene, and and the Los

822
00:42:33,860 --> 00:42:34,340
Angeles

823
00:42:34,340 --> 00:42:39,320
That's right, yeah, all those it
was. I feel so fortunate to have

824
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,880
gotten to do it, because I
absolutely love what I do now as

825
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,740
a, as a side man, as a, I also
do some producing. I do some

826
00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:50,860
mixing, so but all of those
things are, you're an

827
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:54,460
embellisher or hopefully an
improver of somebody else's

828
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:57,340
material, and so you're part of
a team, and you're collectively

829
00:42:57,340 --> 00:43:00,780
trying to make something the
best it can be. And I really

830
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:03,540
like that role. And I was never
one. I didn't start playing

831
00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:06,120
music to be in a spotlight, and
generally, drummers, don't I

832
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,760
mean, we're sitting behind
stuff. We were sitting down, you

833
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,160
know, it. But you all, but you
have so much sort of control

834
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,920
over really, what's happening,
you know? But, but, but the role

835
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,880
isn't a look at me role, but,
and I really like that, and that

836
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,120
is more attuned to my
personality. But that said, the

837
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,020
reason I started playing is
because I loved the police in

838
00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:32,840
Duran, Duran, and you know,
whoever I loved at that moment,

839
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,940
and I always wanted to be in a
band where it's your you have

840
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:40,180
ownership, you have creative
control, blah, blah, blah, you

841
00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:44,920
know, and so having gotten to do
that for the early chunk of my

842
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,360
career in a band that had real
success, I'm very thankful for

843
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,480
because I do know players that
I'm envious of, that play on

844
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:56,620
huge records and tours, but that
they'll lament a bit I wish, but

845
00:43:56,620 --> 00:43:59,200
I wish I could have gotten to do
the band thing. And so I'm just

846
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,280
so thankful I got to do that,
and it has its own pros and

847
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,800
cons. You know, you got to do
every meet and greet. You got to

848
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,740
kiss every program director's
ass. You've got a radio visit at

849
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:10,320
430 in the morning. Absolutely,
you know, and you're worried

850
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,840
about ticket sales and you're
worried about the new single.

851
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,600
How's it doing? We don't really
worry about that stuff in what

852
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,440
we do now and so, but at the
same time, we're putting the

853
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,980
songs together, we're producing
the records, we're making the

854
00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:25,220
decisions about what the tour
will be, you know, and so each

855
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:28,280
again, each role has its set of
pros and cons, but I am very

856
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,800
thankful that I got to do it.
Yeah, it always kind

857
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,560
of eluded me. I tried many, many
times, but there's I. I cannot

858
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,480
complain at all, because every
group that I've been in has been

859
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:44,080
a quasi democracy, in the sense
that I was in that band, Rush

860
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,260
low. And then, of course, with
Jason, it's very much presented

861
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:49,480
as a collective. It

862
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,000
is like a band. Yeah, it's like
a band. And that's, that's, I

863
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,060
think that's cool, you know, I
think that's a cool thing about

864
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:58,900
what y'all have going with
Jason. It definitely, as someone

865
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:01,200
outside of it, is always a.
Weird that way, you know that it

866
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,400
is a band, nice,

867
00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:09,720
yeah, yeah. And, you know, let's
talk about this. Megan Maroney,

868
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:13,980
wreck, tube record, yeah, yeah.
And an EP. She's great. Now,

869
00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:17,520
Christian Bucha is the producer,
right? He is so speaking of, you

870
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,680
know, relationships,
relationships, relationships,

871
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,760
yeah, I just look at, I look at
your resume, and I look at all

872
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,520
the threads and the tentacles
that connect everything, and

873
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,760
this begat, that begat that you
have so many relationships in

874
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,780
your life in multiple musical
cities that you will never be

875
00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:34,220
out of work. Yeah,

876
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:38,240
and I think that's important to
you know if, if part of what we

877
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:42,100
do here on a podcast like this
is is hopefully give folks some

878
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:44,620
insight into how we've gotten to
do what we how it works. Yeah,

879
00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:50,500
anything, any gig session, any
rehearsal, anytime you show up

880
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:53,560
somewhere and play, you don't
know where that might lead. And

881
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,520
so I think it's always important
to remember a as a human, just

882
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,700
dealing with other humans, just
be kind and be pleasant and get

883
00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:03,180
along with people, and if you're
proud of what you do, be

884
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:07,200
prepared as best you can. And,
you know, just do the best job

885
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,300
you can do, partly just out of
pride of taking on this thing,

886
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:14,940
this endeavor, this thing we're
doing, especially trying to make

887
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:17,520
a living out of something that
not a lot of people get to make

888
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,500
a living out but, but also just
with that in mind that even

889
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:24,440
whatever you're doing at the
moment doesn't pay a thing, but

890
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,900
you just don't know where it's
going to lead. And so I think

891
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:30,080
every situation and you're
right, that's, you know, and

892
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,900
that's most any journeyman. I
guess you could use that term,

893
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:36,740
but at this point, for people
like us, if you look at their

894
00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:40,480
career, that's what it is. All
of the wide range of things I do

895
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,800
now all stem from earlier,
things that originally were

896
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,240
fewer, yeah, and you never

897
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,460
mailed it in, and you gave
everybody your heart and soul.

898
00:46:48,460 --> 00:46:51,100
And people can see that, and you
sweat for them, and you're a

899
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:54,340
professional. You know to be on
time is to be early is to be on

900
00:46:54,340 --> 00:46:57,220
time. And you can take direction
without being offended. And

901
00:46:57,220 --> 00:46:59,740
you're you're a problem solver.
You got all the tones and

902
00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:03,120
everything together. And would
you, I don't, I wouldn't

903
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,380
consider you an introvert.

904
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:09,840
I by nature, I am. Yeah, it's
something I had to kind of work

905
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,260
on. And I mean, honestly, I'm
driving here, I felt a little

906
00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:17,280
anxious. I'm not, I'm not super
into public speaking or going to

907
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,020
parties. I you know what? I
mean. It's just not my nature,

908
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,100
but partly, one thing that I
think helped me, inadvertently,

909
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:27,500
maybe my family moved around a
fair amount when I was a kid,

910
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,140
because my dad would get
transferred. It wasn't military

911
00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:32,600
anything, but just in his job.
We would move to different

912
00:47:32,660 --> 00:47:35,600
cities, and so I would have to
middle of the school year, I'm

913
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,420
in a new school. Those kind of
things sort of forced me, to

914
00:47:38,420 --> 00:47:40,700
some degree, to learn how to
make new friends. Make new

915
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:44,200
friends, limit the shark. That's
right. And then, and that's

916
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:47,020
exactly what we do on different
gigs all the time, whether it's

917
00:47:47,020 --> 00:47:49,900
different sessions every day or
a new tour you're going to be on

918
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:53,560
or whatever. Yeah. And so you
come into the room, and so much

919
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,880
of it is, is reading the room
like, you know, who's really

920
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,440
running the show? What's the
chain of command? What's the

921
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,100
chain of command? How open are
they to ideas versus they know

922
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:08,340
exactly what they want. You know
all of those things matter, and

923
00:48:08,340 --> 00:48:12,060
you're trying to just, you
listen more than speak

924
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,120
initially, to really see what,
what the scenario is,

925
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,580
yeah, what do they say? We have
two ears, one mouth. There you

926
00:48:17,580 --> 00:48:21,020
go. I've never heard that, but
that's that's exactly it, man,

927
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:21,680
that's right,

928
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,660
yeah, that's right, yeah.
There's some things that come

929
00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:26,120
out of my extrovert mouth that
sometimes I wish I could just

930
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,020
take back and put in the mouth,
but no, I I would consider you.

931
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:36,260
You're like, A, you're a very
polite extrovert. You know what

932
00:48:36,260 --> 00:48:39,140
I mean? You're a very polished
extrovert. Like, I'm a mad man.

933
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,160
I'm like, bordering on Keith
Moon. I'm not gonna put, I'm not

934
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,560
gonna take an elephant
tranquilizer before I play,

935
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,280
yeah, and I'm not gonna put
explosives in my bass drum and

936
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,940
blow out Pete Townsend's ears.
Right? What it's, you know, you

937
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:52,120
know,

938
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:58,780
I there's, they're kind of a
long ish, or it's really kind of

939
00:48:58,780 --> 00:49:01,620
a couple stories I'd love to
share with you, please, yeah,

940
00:49:01,620 --> 00:49:04,500
because they relate to what
we're talking about now, in one

941
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:09,060
way, what relationships might
lead to, and also the aspect of

942
00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:12,480
personalities within what we're
doing. When I was in my early

943
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,860
20s, still living in Georgia,
before I so the band I was in

944
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,980
the beggars that was in San
Francisco. I was there for about

945
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:22,400
a year. Oh, my god, yeah. And
then after that is when I joined

946
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,580
Ezra and got to move home to New
Orleans. But before that, I was

947
00:49:25,580 --> 00:49:29,600
in Georgia for my early 20s, and
I was in a band called

948
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,400
vigilantes of love. But I was
also,

949
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,220
gosh, there's so many asides
here.

950
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,860
Sean Mullins was Sean Mullins on
the picture. He or Billy

951
00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:38,480
Pilgrim, Billy both,

952
00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:42,580
they were part of this scene
there. That one thing that

953
00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:45,880
helped me there is I was a band
member in this band called

954
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,640
vigilantes of love, and we had
to deal with Capricorn records

955
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,960
and just kind of sort of making
a living, you know? But I had, I

956
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,840
knew this is what I wanted to do
once I started playing drums. So

957
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,660
I didn't want to go to college.
My parents asked me to go. Just

958
00:49:58,660 --> 00:50:01,080
try semester. It's different.
Then high school, at least give

959
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,300
it a shot for us and out of
respect for them, I did that.

960
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,320
Yes, in that one semester, I
took a recording course, which

961
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:13,440
was a lab, like at a studio,
hands on. So at 18, I'm learning

962
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,460
recording engineering, signal
path, microphones, yeah, and so

963
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:23,180
that in my early 20s, then
allowed me to while I'm kind of

964
00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:26,900
making a living as as a guy
playing music, I'm also working

965
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:29,180
at a studio as recording
engineer. And this is pre

966
00:50:29,180 --> 00:50:32,480
digital. This is analog
recording, so like eight hats,

967
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,020
and even before that, just like
tape, straight up tape, straight

968
00:50:36,020 --> 00:50:37,820
up tape, because this is like
9192

969
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,320
90 so you're learning how to cut
tape, yeah,

970
00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:41,800
yeah,

971
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:46,840
free Pro Tools days, yeah, yeah.
I had a good time cutting tape.

972
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,440
I liked it, yeah, but don't mess
up. It was half inch tape, not

973
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:50,620
two

974
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:53,740
inch tape. Well, and that's it's
the same thing with doing tapes.

975
00:50:53,740 --> 00:50:56,260
It's like, well, yeah, you can
punch in, but really you're

976
00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:59,260
trying to get it's a different
kind of pressure. You know, if

977
00:50:59,260 --> 00:51:02,940
you recorded in that era when
the recording light goes on, or

978
00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:06,780
when you know you're cutting a
take every note top to bottom,

979
00:51:06,780 --> 00:51:08,820
everything you're playing,
you're trying to nail the whole

980
00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:11,160
thing, because you don't. Now,
you know, when I'm tracking

981
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,580
stuff in my house, I'll do two
or three passes and I barely

982
00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:17,160
know the song, because I know I
can then edit together the best

983
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,880
bits and whatever, you know
that's not what it was. And so

984
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,680
that that teaches a different
kind of intensity and focus. But

985
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,280
anyway, so I'm working at that
studios recording engineer. I'm

986
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,980
playing in a band, but I'm also
playing with a lot of these

987
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:33,920
singer songwriters that have
sprouted up after the Indigo

988
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,420
Girls success in Decatur,
Atlanta, Georgia and so Sean

989
00:51:38,420 --> 00:51:45,460
Mullins was one dick atula. Yes,
exactly. Very nice. And Billy

990
00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:47,920
Pilgrim was another, and
Christian Bush was one of the

991
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,500
two guys in Billy Pilgrim. So
that's our original connection.

992
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,420
Christian, well, Billy Pilgrim
signed a deal, I think, with

993
00:51:55,420 --> 00:51:58,480
Atlantic, one of the major
labels, and I had recorded their

994
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,560
whole record before, and
recorded their demos. And they

995
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,560
were a duo. I wasn't a band
member, but I was doing anything

996
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,320
they were doing with a drummer,
and then they get their record

997
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,800
deal, and they hire their hero,
and Kenny arnoff comes and plays

998
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,840
on the record, right? And I'm 23
or so, and it, of course, it

999
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,660
hurt my heart, it hurt my ego,
you know? But thankfully, all of

1000
00:52:20,660 --> 00:52:23,720
five years before that or
something, I had read Kenny

1001
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,660
arnoff In Modern Drummer talking
about himself being replaced on

1002
00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:31,040
Mellencamp. And he talked about,
you know, he said to Mellencamp

1003
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,360
was Rick slasher. Is that who it
was? I remember, okay, and and

1004
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,520
he said, But Am I still your
drummer? Because they were gonna

1005
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,100
send him home. And Mellencamp
says, Yes. He said, Then can I

1006
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:42,340
stay? I want to learn. I want to
see why I'm not the guy. I'll

1007
00:52:42,340 --> 00:52:45,640
sleep on the floor. You're
right. And I remembered that

1008
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,460
story, and it so happens that
guy's coming in to replace me,

1009
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:51,580
and I'd been doing session
stuff, you know, so I'd replace

1010
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:53,800
somebody else. I'd been on the
other side of that. I knew that

1011
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,280
feeling, and so I decided, okay,
let me learn from Kenny's

1012
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,680
example, and do the same thing.
Yeah. So I hung out at the

1013
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,080
studio, watched him do his thing
and and he was very gracious,

1014
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,940
very kind to me, whereas, you
know, first thing here is, if I

1015
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,000
if my ego gets better, I mean, I
go, I'll screw you guys, man. I

1016
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,460
played on all your stuff, and
then you get a deal. Now you use

1017
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:18,840
them, Kenny, then that now, then
I don't get Sugar Land 15 years

1018
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,620
later, you know what I mean. So
that's the relationship. That's

1019
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:25,700
part of big humility too, right
now. And don't burn the bridge.

1020
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,680
Don't burn the bridges. Put your
put your pride

1021
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,800
in your pocket, where you your
money. That's pretty good. I

1022
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:31,820
like that for my dad,

1023
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,740
I like it so and Kenny was so
kind to me. He pulled me aside.

1024
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:41,440
You guys keep in touch. We not
often, but we run across each

1025
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,200
other at a festival or every
once while, maybe a call or text

1026
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,780
every few years or something,
you know, but, and he's always

1027
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:50,260
been very kind, ever since that
thing 30 years ago,

1028
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,240
whoever swears

1029
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,080
he's very blue, yes,

1030
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,680
well, and I do remember that
from that, from that initial

1031
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,480
Meeting. And I also, like, I
heard him getting sounds up, and

1032
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,000
I heard him doing takes. And I'm
like, okay, because this is the

1033
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,660
first time I've seen a real deal
that level guy work, right? And

1034
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:13,380
I'm in the studio watching it
happen, and I realize, okay,

1035
00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:16,260
he's really good, but he's just
human, like, he's screwing up,

1036
00:54:16,260 --> 00:54:19,680
and he's finding the feel of the
track and what, you know what I

1037
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,400
mean, it's like, okay, so
there's not magic that I'm not

1038
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,000
aware of. He's just dude doing a
thing on a high level, yeah. But

1039
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,500
the other thing I noticed about
him was that he was a, you know,

1040
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:32,960
you have much in common with
him. He was a big ball of

1041
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,740
energy, of a very positive
energy, you know. And that was,

1042
00:54:36,740 --> 00:54:39,380
that was the thing that I
remember thinking, man, if

1043
00:54:39,380 --> 00:54:43,060
that's part of what gets you to
that level. I don't know that

1044
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,240
that's not built into me, you
know. And I remember kind of

1045
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,420
thinking about that aspect, or
taking that in, at least, not

1046
00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:53,620
anguishing over it, but being
aware of it. And then roughly a

1047
00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:56,500
year ish later, when I'm out now
in San Francisco, I've joined

1048
00:54:56,500 --> 00:55:00,360
that day on the beggars, the I'm
getting to play. Play on a

1049
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,800
record that, coincidentally, Jim
Keltner is the other drummer on.

1050
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,860
So we're, I'm playing on four or
five tracks. He's playing on

1051
00:55:07,860 --> 00:55:14,400
four or five nice, pretty cool
and, and he also was so kind to

1052
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,520
me, this 24 year old drummer,
and he's Jim Keltner.

1053
00:55:19,740 --> 00:55:22,580
Ring goes, favorite drummer,
Jim, yeah, Keltner, yeah,

1054
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:29,000
really. And, and he so I got to
watch him do his thing. And

1055
00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:33,500
there's a great story from that,
but, but talking about the

1056
00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:36,740
personality thing, the thing
that I learned there was Keltner

1057
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:40,900
is so much more chill, and I
related more to his personality.

1058
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:43,780
And I thought, Okay, well, he's
Jim Keltner, and he's

1059
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,440
successful. He's successful, and
so it's and that's when I had

1060
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,080
the light bulb of, okay, what
are the two guys have in common?

1061
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,280
Aside from being great drummers,
just positive energy. It's not

1062
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:59,020
about if you're a big fireball
or you're Zen, it's, it's just

1063
00:55:59,020 --> 00:56:02,340
bringing positivity to the room,
you know. And so that was an

1064
00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:05,580
insight for me. But then there
was another moment that was

1065
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:09,120
maybe even a bigger insight that
I love. He was so they had

1066
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,600
already done scratch, piano or
guitar, whatever it was for the

1067
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,540
given song and vocal, and they
were just getting drums, because

1068
00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:18,060
they had Jim for maybe two days.
And so they were just getting

1069
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:20,960
drums and they were going to do
everything else after and so

1070
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,080
they're focusing on drums. And
on this given song, they played

1071
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,880
him the work tape or the what
he's going to cut to, and talked

1072
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,640
about a couple ideas, but he
says, let me just go in and try

1073
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,660
some stuff. So they run it. He
plays a take. They talk a little

1074
00:56:35,660 --> 00:56:39,980
bit about it. He plays another
take, the engineer, the artist.

1075
00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:42,520
People are throwing ideas. What
if you try this on this part?

1076
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,920
Blah, blah, blah, okay, you
know. And he does maybe three or

1077
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,880
so, three or four. Okay, come
in. Let's talk about it. And

1078
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,520
then I think we'll, we'll be
able to map out what the right

1079
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,880
drum arrangement is for this,
right? And so he comes into the

1080
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,440
control room, and after a couple
of listens, of a couple, you

1081
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,220
know, here's, let's listen to
what you did on the pre chorus

1082
00:57:02,220 --> 00:57:06,240
on take two, whatever you know,
and either the artist or

1083
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:09,540
producer, somebody you know,
who's sort of declaring, says,

1084
00:57:09,540 --> 00:57:12,660
Okay, I think I know how it
should work. If you did the

1085
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:15,720
verse like you did on this take,
and you did the chord and then

1086
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:18,060
the bridge I loved when you went
to the toms or whatever you

1087
00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:24,980
know, maps out what the I the
through line should be I as the

1088
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:28,220
fly on the wall and the drummer
and paying taking all this in,

1089
00:57:28,940 --> 00:57:32,900
know that they've just told him
to do what he did on the first

1090
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:37,220
take, like he already did all of
this. It was his first instinct,

1091
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:41,620
and it was right. And whoever's
saying this doesn't even realize

1092
00:57:41,620 --> 00:57:44,800
that that happened. Yeah, they
think this is their idea of of

1093
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,680
frankensteining. But does Jim
have a little smile on his face?

1094
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,580
Like, well, that's the beautiful
thing. Is, because I knew at

1095
00:57:51,580 --> 00:57:54,760
that moment, I knew my instinct
would be to go, Well, that's

1096
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,000
what I did. Let's listen to take
one. It's there. Not out of I

1097
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,160
told you so, or I know what I'm
doing. Why didn't you just

1098
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,240
listen? Not that, but like,
we're simpatico. We're on the

1099
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,180
same page. Yeah, you know, I
think the same thing. We've

1100
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:10,620
already even got it. Jim didn't
do any of that. Jim heard that

1101
00:58:10,620 --> 00:58:13,980
whole thing, and he's got his
shades on, and he's just been

1102
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,980
chilling on the sofa next to me
in the back of the control room.

1103
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,480
And as they've told him, this
rundown of what it should be,

1104
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,360
and I'm having all these
thoughts of the he already did

1105
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,500
that, and he just kind of leans
back and goes, kind of smiles

1106
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:32,900
and goes, Yeah, man, that's a
great idea. Let me go do that.

1107
00:58:33,860 --> 00:58:37,040
And a, it's kind of a, it's a
great idea. I already did that.

1108
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:41,560
Yeah, you know, but it's, it's,
ultimately, we're service

1109
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,200
industry. Yeah, doesn't matter
whose idea it was, where it came

1110
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,680
from. He doesn't have to claim
it, yeah. He just is gonna give

1111
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,380
them what they want and make
them happy. Amazing, but, but to

1112
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:53,200
do it and handle it in that way,
I was just like, wow, it was

1113
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,040
such a yeah,

1114
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,240
those are two amazing lessons.
Oh, my God. What about what's

1115
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,080
the thing with Billy the pill,
the Billy Pilgrim song

1116
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,640
California stars was that, did
he write that and then Wilco re

1117
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,840
recorded it? Or is he guesting
on the because if you pull up

1118
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,200
Wilco on Spotify, the first
song, the most played song that

1119
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,640
they have, is called California
stars, okay, but it's Billy

1120
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:18,720
Pilgrim, really?

1121
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,860
Yeah, I'm not. I wasn't aware of
it. Okay, cool, interesting,

1122
00:59:21,860 --> 00:59:24,380
because that might have happened
later. You know, one because

1123
00:59:24,380 --> 00:59:27,920
they Billy Pilgrim carried on
after I moved away, and then I

1124
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,500
was in Ezra, and they were still
doing there, yeah, so that's

1125
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:32,900
just, I'm not, I'm not familiar
with that, yeah, aspect of it,

1126
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:34,100
that's pretty cool. I have to
look

1127
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:36,440
into. So all these different
music scenes. Uh, back to Megan

1128
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,660
and Rhodey. Had to be fun. Great
songs, great

1129
00:59:38,660 --> 00:59:43,600
songs and and we did so we did
an EP, then we've done now two

1130
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,640
albums. And is

1131
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,180
it the typical one song every 90
minutes? It's

1132
00:59:49,180 --> 00:59:53,740
it generally we're doing one and
a half or maybe two, but

1133
00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:57,460
sometimes one in the 90 minutes.
It's not a hurry, but it's not

1134
00:59:57,940 --> 01:00:02,160
snail pace either. You know. And
it's very much all that stuff is

1135
01:00:02,580 --> 01:00:05,640
band in a room, kind of playing,
you know? I mean, and then when

1136
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,040
I hear the records back, they
haven't chopped anything up or

1137
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,320
done anything different than
what we did on the floor, yes.

1138
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,960
And so to me, that's a pretty
comfortable pace. I was so much

1139
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,980
of my recording experience was
those early days in Georgia with

1140
01:00:19,980 --> 01:00:23,840
those singer songwriters, then
as a band member in Ezra, then

1141
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,040
Sideman work as a hired player
in LA I did a lot of stuff with

1142
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:33,320
Warren huert on records he was
doing. And all of that stuff is

1143
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,140
different than once. I came here
and started new Nashville

1144
01:00:36,140 --> 01:00:39,500
sessions first, like I did one.
I don't know if it was good idea

1145
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:42,080
or not, but I was trying to
learn the number system, so I

1146
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,520
went into one demo session and
didn't tell them I had never

1147
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:48,160
really done it, other than at
home, trying to learn it.

1148
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,320
So when you're listening to the
demo go down, you're trying to

1149
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,120
figure it out. Uh huh, yeah. And
I had, I

1150
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,180
mean, I'd read, I'd read Jim
Riley's book, and had some

1151
01:00:55,180 --> 01:00:59,920
understanding, but I hadn't done
it on a session, and in

1152
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,400
hindsight, like Steve Mackey was
the bass player. Like it's

1153
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:07,080
people you want to impress, and
I just test myself with I'm not

1154
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,260
going to tell them, I'm just
going to try and do this. And,

1155
01:01:10,260 --> 01:01:13,800
man, I was blowing it. I was, I
would be, I would because the

1156
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,280
thing that I've learned about,
about numbers charts and is to

1157
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,380
if you're in that role, if it's
a record, and you have time to

1158
01:01:21,380 --> 01:01:24,500
talk about arrangement and
figure things out. Great. You

1159
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:27,920
can present ideas and generally
at that level, things are

1160
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,160
probably pretty well written and
sussed out already. But on some

1161
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,760
of those demo sessions, I would
just not believe the chart. I

1162
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,220
understood what I was reading,
but it seemed like such a bad

1163
01:01:37,220 --> 01:01:41,140
idea. I just wouldn't want to do
my body wouldn't do it, you

1164
01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:45,040
know, like, like, three bars in
the pre chorus, we're gonna do a

1165
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,280
push and then wait a bar and a
half. What? That's dumb, you

1166
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:54,820
know? And so I just wouldn't do
it and a five bar bridge, right,

1167
01:01:54,820 --> 01:01:58,240
right? And so I learned my
lesson on that. That was like,

1168
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,740
okay, you know. But, and
eventually, in that session, I

1169
01:02:01,740 --> 01:02:05,340
told him, Look, I've never done
numbers charts before guys. So

1170
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,200
they were like, okay, okay, it's
all

1171
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,220
works. Yeah, that's what I was
on, a, you know, traditional

1172
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:19,080
national tracking thing. And the
it was, you know, Jimmy the

1173
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,500
keyboard player, you know, the
award winning keyword player

1174
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:23,960
that played with, like, Faith
Hill and all. He's big records.

1175
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,120
He's like, Yeah, he goes, you
got this kid? It's just, every

1176
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,700
time you see a number, it's four
beats. When you see the accent,

1177
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:31,520
it means that it's the ion of
two or the N of four. You see

1178
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,880
the diamond looking thing. It's
a ta, da, it's a whole note. You

1179
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,660
got this LA, oh, okay, yeah. You
know, it's

1180
01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:40,900
so funny. Some of that stuff
that the way, it'll stick with

1181
01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:43,180
me, because there's still any
time there's notation written.

1182
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:45,820
I'm like, as soon as I get
handed a chart and I see some

1183
01:02:45,820 --> 01:02:48,280
notation that's going to be a
line that everyone hits, or

1184
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,000
whatever, I'm like, okay, when
we get to that moment, if

1185
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,000
they're playing a work tape or
demo, yeah, I'm making sure no

1186
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,640
one's talking to me, because I'm
going to have to either memorize

1187
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,020
or make my own little chicken
scratch of what that is, because

1188
01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:04,020
I can't read that notation. Oh,
you don't read the room. No, no,

1189
01:03:04,020 --> 01:03:08,580
no, no. Wow, you have done
really well for man, I'm, I'm

1190
01:03:08,580 --> 01:03:11,340
really, literally, the one
lesson I've had was that one I'm

1191
01:03:11,340 --> 01:03:13,680
talking about, about not bearing
the beater. Otherwise, no

1192
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,040
lessons, no music school, no.
I'm just like homemade when

1193
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:17,220
you're

1194
01:03:17,220 --> 01:03:21,080
when you're doing a track with,
with the Indigo Girls, or Better

1195
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:21,740
Than Ezra. You

1196
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,220
don't make your own charts. You
got to memorize it.

1197
01:03:25,220 --> 01:03:28,340
Well, it's mostly memorization,
but it's also I do charts,

1198
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,460
because I do so many different
kind of gigs now that, but it's

1199
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:34,640
my own language. A lot of it
based on numbers charts. A lot

1200
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,940
of it like I remember, you know,
I used to put an X meaning a

1201
01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:41,440
stop, but then at some point, on
some session I was doing it

1202
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,920
Schoenfeld, somebody said, Oh,
the Dorito, you know, and it's

1203
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,220
hard stop, yeah, yeah, oh,
that's so now it's a Dorito. Now

1204
01:03:48,220 --> 01:03:51,100
I use that and I call it a
Dorito, like, I remember that,

1205
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:51,760
you know? Oh, my

1206
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,700
God, dude, that's really
interesting, because we all have

1207
01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:57,400
our unique gifts and talents.
Because you're probably five

1208
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:03,720
bajillion times the engineer I
am, but, I mean, you are, wait,

1209
01:04:04,020 --> 01:04:08,040
wait, you are 5 billion times
more the engineer than I am.

1210
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,660
Yeah, you said it right. Oh,
yeah, but, but I have this, like

1211
01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:15,900
weird sickness with rhythmic
notation. If you could just sing

1212
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:17,880
me a rhythm and I will write it
down. I

1213
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,380
wish I had it. I wish I had that
kind of just never it's amazing.

1214
01:04:21,380 --> 01:04:24,800
And at this point, like, I would
like to learn it, and I don't

1215
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,260
really know the best way of
like, every once in I'll dig

1216
01:04:27,260 --> 01:04:30,140
into it for a minute. And
admittedly, it's my own problem.

1217
01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:33,980
I won't have the patience and
commitment to continue learning

1218
01:04:33,980 --> 01:04:37,820
it, but I'll spend a half a day
like, okay, so what does this

1219
01:04:37,820 --> 01:04:40,840
mean? But, but anything? Man,
you know, when we were coming

1220
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,500
up, there was no YouTube to
learn anything. So, so now, if

1221
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:46,720
I'm trying to learn something
like that from online

1222
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,300
information or even from a book,
you can't ask the book

1223
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:51,400
questions. You don't get
feedback from the you know what

1224
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,460
I mean? Like, I need to actually
go to someone that will teach

1225
01:04:54,460 --> 01:04:56,740
me. It's like

1226
01:04:56,740 --> 01:05:00,660
the universe is confirming
something Jim wants me to. Do my

1227
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,760
we're gonna, you know, it's
like, you need somebody's

1228
01:05:02,820 --> 01:05:07,260
methodology of charting music
out or something. It's weird.

1229
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:08,760
Came up with that

1230
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,280
idea. Yeah, it's our goal to
have this product by

1231
01:05:12,780 --> 01:05:16,200
sometime this year, Christmas.
Okay, but hey, let's,

1232
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,860
let's, let's look at like you.
Surely you've got to have some

1233
01:05:19,860 --> 01:05:22,340
stories about these people that
you're working with because you

1234
01:05:22,340 --> 01:05:27,080
said recording work with James
Blunt, she's beautiful. Marshall

1235
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:32,720
Crenshaw, rock star, you know,
my God, Indigo Girls, there's

1236
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,140
got to be a story with Lady
Gaga. Daniel powder, like, what

1237
01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:40,720
was this one song? Beautiful
day. Suzanne. Vega, yeah,

1238
01:05:41,140 --> 01:05:42,700
some of those are

1239
01:05:44,020 --> 01:05:49,480
things where I played on a
record and that person was also

1240
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,880
on that record, you know. So
some of these people I didn't

1241
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,660
work with directly, Oh, gotcha,
you know, like, like, J Lo, it

1242
01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:59,080
was a Jennifer Nettles, and she
and J Lo did a song together,

1243
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,460
yeah, and Dan Huff was
producing, and I did the drum

1244
01:06:02,460 --> 01:06:05,520
track, but I didn't see J Lo,
Oh, yeah. So some of the things

1245
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,780
are like, Oh, you could claim
that, dude, it's valid it, you

1246
01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:13,020
know, and with the live thing
too, because that's like on

1247
01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:15,960
recording. But I'm on the same
record as them. I feel like I

1248
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,660
can name them. We're on, I'm on
a record with that person, with

1249
01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:20,960
the live because everybody
treats the credits thing a

1250
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,560
little different from for me,
the live whether it's toured

1251
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,680
with that means I toured with
them. Otherwise, I'll usually

1252
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,000
have something that's like live
performances, yes, you know,

1253
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:34,760
specialty performance or live
performance, something where

1254
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,760
it's it wasn't a tour, it was a
one time thing or maybe a few

1255
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:42,340
time thing. But in how I do
that. If there was a rehearsal,

1256
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,720
I'll claim it. If they jumped on
stage and sang a few backup

1257
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,060
lines, I won't claim it. That's
kind of how I if they

1258
01:06:49,060 --> 01:06:52,720
jump up on stage and sing a
whole song or five songs, yeah,

1259
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,760
I'm claiming that. No, that's
true. Because people are like,

1260
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,400
Garth Brooks. I'm like, Yeah,
motherfucker, he jumped up on

1261
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,980
stage and we did two songs
together. Did you play friends

1262
01:06:59,980 --> 01:07:02,460
in little places with Garth
Brooks. That's what I thought,

1263
01:07:02,460 --> 01:07:03,240
right? I'm claiming

1264
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,600
to a big audience, I'm sure
exactly. Yeah, no, that's true.

1265
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,040
So I think that's valid. So

1266
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:12,000
there's this level of like,
claiming? No, I think there's,

1267
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,820
there's probably a little bit,
like, if there's a scale of

1268
01:07:14,820 --> 01:07:17,700
integrity, there's a there's a
middle line, you're probably

1269
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:20,720
more on the more Integris side
of things. I try to be. I'd

1270
01:07:20,780 --> 01:07:21,440
rather

1271
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,680
not. I'd rather leave it off
than claim something that then

1272
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:28,580
someone would call me out and
say, yeah. But so they kind of

1273
01:07:28,580 --> 01:07:32,900
like, at one point when they re
rebooted, Lilith fair back in

1274
01:07:32,900 --> 01:07:37,220
maybe 2010, or 12 or something,
you know, Sugar Land was on it

1275
01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:40,360
for a portion of it. Sheryl Crow
was to at some point she got up,

1276
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,760
and because both bands have a
song called All I want to do,

1277
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,840
right? So she got up during our
all I want to do, and kind of

1278
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,820
sang a couple lines. Well, I
don't have show crow on my

1279
01:07:48,820 --> 01:07:54,460
resume, you know, that didn't
count, yeah, you know. But I

1280
01:07:54,460 --> 01:07:57,340
played, I was part of a house
band at a benefit at the Ryman,

1281
01:07:57,340 --> 01:08:00,300
and Jack White, we had
rehearsals at sir that Jack

1282
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:02,700
White came to and, yes, we
played a couple songs with him.

1283
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:04,500
That's on that I list him, you
know,

1284
01:08:04,740 --> 01:08:07,200
let me ask you this, though, is
it one of those things that,

1285
01:08:07,260 --> 01:08:11,340
like, is it something you would
call somebody out for? Like,

1286
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:15,120
Well, come on, Dick, it's the
people you apply. It's like a

1287
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,400
rule you would apply. You would
have for somebody else, but you

1288
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:17,640
apply

1289
01:08:17,639 --> 01:08:20,599
to yourself. So although,
generally, I'm not one to dig in

1290
01:08:20,599 --> 01:08:23,479
and try and know, but I have
seen things that rub me a little

1291
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:24,979
wrong, where I know that, like

1292
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:27,379
you notice we were the same
festival together, but they

1293
01:08:27,379 --> 01:08:30,259
never actually played the same
time or in the same setting.

1294
01:08:30,379 --> 01:08:31,879
That is a stretch. No,

1295
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:36,080
yeah, shared the stage with
meaning open for No, that's

1296
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,420
where, that's not. You can't
claim that, you know, yeah.

1297
01:08:38,420 --> 01:08:38,600
Well,

1298
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,080
I mean, you know, we played with
nuclear assault.

1299
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,620
Everyone's like, hold on.
Crickets on there, buddy. Yeah.

1300
01:08:48,580 --> 01:08:50,380
No. Jim. Jim. Jim. Nobody.
Nobody

1301
01:08:50,380 --> 01:08:53,140
remembers nuclear assault. Was
it like a, really? Was it like

1302
01:08:53,140 --> 01:08:56,920
a, like a pop punk rock band
when I was in the renowned and

1303
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,180
esteemed band Connecticut, white
bread, yes, yes. Our first gig

1304
01:09:00,180 --> 01:09:03,600
was opening for nuclear assault
at the briar patch in Carmel,

1305
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,420
New York. Oh, yeah. We've
mentioned that before, yeah. And

1306
01:09:06,540 --> 01:09:09,900
we also played for, we played
with overkill. At one point. I

1307
01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:12,420
remember urge overkill. I
remember urge overkill, yeah. We

1308
01:09:12,420 --> 01:09:16,380
played with overkill. The
original, the OG overkill, yeah.

1309
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,280
So like, you know, two years
ago, I was in a CMT house band,

1310
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:24,860
and I got the backup, slash
Billy Gibbons, Leanne Grimes,

1311
01:09:24,860 --> 01:09:28,640
Winona, writer Paul Rogers, the
band leader from the Rolling

1312
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,700
Stones. Man Warren, I'm putting
on the resume. Oh,

1313
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:34,100
yeah, you know, Pilsner was on
base on that. Yeah, I saw

1314
01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:35,600
whatever show that was. I was
like, You know

1315
01:09:35,599 --> 01:09:39,079
what? Yeah, of two. That's all
valid for those people. Yeah,

1316
01:09:39,139 --> 01:09:39,799
that's the thing.

1317
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,400
You rehearse that stuff? You
played with them. You are a

1318
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,980
professional who belonged there
and did a good job. Yeah,

1319
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,660
absolutely, it should be on your
resume.

1320
01:09:46,659 --> 01:09:51,639
Now we're in Detroit two nights.
Kid Rock jumps up on stage with

1321
01:09:51,639 --> 01:09:56,259
us and sings cowboy with us in
his hometown of Detroit. I mean,

1322
01:09:56,259 --> 01:09:59,079
I'm not gonna lead with Kid
Rock, right? I'm gonna lead

1323
01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:01,139
with, you know, two. 25 years
with Jason

1324
01:10:01,380 --> 01:10:05,160
Aldi, I shared the stage with
type of credit, right? I put

1325
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,560
it on there, dude. I because my
thing is, is that we have

1326
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,460
different ways of listing. If I
put, I put recorded toward or

1327
01:10:11,460 --> 01:10:13,440
performed with, Okay,

1328
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:16,560
gotcha, yeah, yeah. And that's,
that's all, I think the Yeah.

1329
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,740
The only distinction I made is
just make it three categories,

1330
01:10:19,740 --> 01:10:22,220
yeah. But I don't have a
problem. You know what? I mean?

1331
01:10:22,220 --> 01:10:27,080
Like, it's Yeah, yeah. To me,
everything we've talked about is

1332
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,840
sort of common sense about being
reasonable about what you've

1333
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:30,560
done or haven't done

1334
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,220
in your days of Ezra, did you
play at a place called toads

1335
01:10:34,220 --> 01:10:38,780
place? Oh, yeah, absolutely,
we've played Toad place.

1336
01:10:38,780 --> 01:10:44,560
Rich. Have you know, Yale,
right, that was New Haven is it

1337
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:45,700
isn't in your Yale, I've

1338
01:10:45,700 --> 01:10:49,240
played in toes place. Many a
time, yeah, many a time. It was

1339
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:49,480
good.

1340
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:51,940
That's a good rock club. Will
Hoke, did you go out with

1341
01:10:51,940 --> 01:10:56,920
him for no, I there was a point
at which I we talked about me

1342
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,560
maybe touring with him, but I
never have. I worked with him on

1343
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,860
a there was a record I was
producing for a singer

1344
01:11:01,860 --> 01:11:07,020
songwriter named Steven Kellogg.
And Will is a they have a duet

1345
01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:10,560
on it. So, yeah, but I love
Will's music. You know me too.

1346
01:11:10,620 --> 01:11:12,300
Yeah, that's so American

1347
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:14,880
rock and roll at its finest.
Absolutely, one of Nashville's

1348
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,120
treasures. Two other gigs that
come on come to mind that you've

1349
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,980
done more recently. And one of
like is like a triple A type

1350
01:11:21,980 --> 01:11:25,520
singer songwriter, artist. You
went out with Gavin Dick Rob,

1351
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,920
but then there's another guy.
Oh,

1352
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,880
let's see, because I was gonna
say that Colby Calais was the

1353
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,820
is, but you said another guy.
That's awesome. Colby Kelly, and

1354
01:11:34,820 --> 01:11:38,480
that was just, I subbed a few
shows, but she was lovely. Had a

1355
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:41,300
great band. Musically, it was
very satisfying. It was really a

1356
01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:42,760
fun experience. Yeah,

1357
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,740
there's another, there's another
guy. He's like a singer

1358
01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:47,260
songwriter, triple A rocker, guy
that you will go out and do

1359
01:11:47,260 --> 01:11:52,840
things with, recorded with live
performances. B 52 is Butch

1360
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,380
Walker, Beyonce, Howie, oh.

1361
01:11:56,620 --> 01:11:59,140
Patrick, droning. Patrick,
drone, yeah. Patrick, droning,

1362
01:11:59,140 --> 01:12:03,300
yeah. He's so talented, man.
He's, he is just great. And he's

1363
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:06,900
a guy that he's put out a couple
records now. And, yeah, it's, it

1364
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:09,900
is kind of triple A
neighborhood. It's, it's in the,

1365
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:14,700
you know, for lack of a better
descriptor, a lot of people will

1366
01:12:14,700 --> 01:12:17,880
use the John Mayer sort of
reference on him, in that he is

1367
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:24,020
a wonderful blues based, but not
blues songwriting. Guitar Player

1368
01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:30,380
strat plays strat with a really
soulful voice, and it is on its

1369
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:34,040
Yeah, it's sort of pop rock. And
yeah, I've done some touring

1370
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:39,500
with him and recorded with him,
and just such a talent, and he's

1371
01:12:39,500 --> 01:12:43,240
actually working on a new record
now we, I may wind up playing

1372
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:46,000
some stuff on that. We'll see.
Yeah, yeah, but played on his

1373
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:51,880
last one and and just love his,
him as a person and as a town. I

1374
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,720
mean, he's somebody that I don't
I think has so much potential to

1375
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,960
be so much bigger than he is as
yet. Oh, and also a hell of a

1376
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,800
songwriter. I mean, I know Keith
Urban's cut a few of his songs.

1377
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,880
I don't know if they've come out
yet or not, but like, he's Aside

1378
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,360
from his talents as a player and
singer and producer, I mean, he

1379
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,540
definitely has his own kind of
sound production wise, too, but

1380
01:13:12,540 --> 01:13:15,780
it just purely as a songwriter.
He's gotten a lot of attention

1381
01:13:15,780 --> 01:13:17,700
in town. Yeah. Yeah. Two other

1382
01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:20,300
things I wanted to ask you
about, so much stuff to talk

1383
01:13:20,300 --> 01:13:24,080
about the Frankie Ballard band,
is that still Eddie and Robbie?

1384
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:24,680
And

1385
01:13:24,740 --> 01:13:29,660
it's not at this point. It was
that band initially came back

1386
01:13:29,660 --> 01:13:35,660
after COVID, but Eddie, we knew
basically, oddly enough, Frankie

1387
01:13:35,660 --> 01:13:41,620
was planning to be off the road
at the top of 2020 because his

1388
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:47,440
daughter was due to be born in
February or March of 2020. So we

1389
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:50,200
knew we'd be off the road for a
while. And of course, that's

1390
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,140
when COVID hit. But
coincidentally, since we knew

1391
01:13:53,140 --> 01:13:58,600
that was coming, Eddie wound up,
he got the gig with Florida,

1392
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,260
Georgia Line. Oh, okay, yeah.
And so ever since then, he's

1393
01:14:01,260 --> 01:14:05,940
been doing that thing. And then
Robbie, Robbie, bass player,

1394
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,500
bass player who is around our
age, and sort of journeyman,

1395
01:14:10,500 --> 01:14:13,860
who's done so much cool stuff,
everything from Keith Urban to

1396
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,580
Joe Satriani. Yeah, we did Mindy
McCarthy together. Okay, yeah.

1397
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:20,600
So you know all his, yeah, and
he's just such a character, and

1398
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,780
I absolutely love him. Social
media less. Social media less.

1399
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,880
Yes, unfortunately, because he's
a very unique and entertaining

1400
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,220
and some would say love it, or
love him or hate him kind of

1401
01:14:31,220 --> 01:14:34,100
guy, but I absolutely love him.
Yeah, handsome as hell. Yes, he

1402
01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:39,800
is and, and, and for being a Mr.
Rugged dude, he's a little too

1403
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,580
worried about his fashion, I
think. But there's a focus.

1404
01:14:42,580 --> 01:14:45,280
There is focus there, yeah,
yeah, but, but he is a

1405
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,460
sweetheart and a great just like
rock and roll bass player, you

1406
01:14:48,460 --> 01:14:52,060
know, pick, yeah. In fact,
recently, so he's not out with

1407
01:14:52,060 --> 01:14:56,080
Frankie anymore, to answer your
question, because initially

1408
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,960
after COVID, Frankie wasn't that
busy, and so Robbie was doing

1409
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,440
some other stuff as well. All,
and there started being

1410
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:04,260
scheduled conflicts, and so he
wound up. Now, there's a

1411
01:15:04,260 --> 01:15:07,800
wonderful guy named Reno Bo, who
comes from the rock and roll

1412
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,800
world, who's playing with
Frankie, but Robbie recently

1413
01:15:11,340 --> 01:15:17,040
filled in, I think, about eight
shows with Skinner. Yes. I mean,

1414
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,300
he's just built for that. Yeah.
I mean, Robbie, he has a shed in

1415
01:15:20,300 --> 01:15:22,880
his backyard. And when he and
he's in this neighborhood here,

1416
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:24,620
he's not far from here, because
he's in

1417
01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:28,640
Spring Hill, yeah, yeah, yes,
Evan Hutchings is here. David

1418
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:29,480
Santos is here.

1419
01:15:29,540 --> 01:15:33,920
Oh, Santos is a little thing
nice. But Robbie, when he's

1420
01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:39,860
preparing for a gig, he goes out
in his shed, he stands up and he

1421
01:15:39,860 --> 01:15:44,380
has a microphone, and he has a
PA, and he plays like he's

1422
01:15:44,380 --> 01:15:47,080
playing the gig. That's like
he's not sitting there just on

1423
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,440
his own, a stool at the house
with a performance. That's

1424
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:53,560
right, yeah. And he is all in on
it, you know, I think it's cool.

1425
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:54,280
That's a really cool

1426
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,980
thing. That's cool, Robbie. And
then the last thing was gonna

1427
01:15:56,980 --> 01:15:59,080
ask you about is that you've
been doing this David Bowie

1428
01:15:59,080 --> 01:15:59,500
tribute

1429
01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:01,020
thing. Yeah, man, that has been,

1430
01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:08,160
I've felt so honored to get to
be a part of that, because it's

1431
01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:10,980
numerous heroes of mine are a
part of it, you know. So it's

1432
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:16,440
the show is, it's like a over
two hour show spanning Bowie's

1433
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:21,680
career, and it's in so it's all,
it's such a variety of music,

1434
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,020
you know. So that part of it's
fun, just from a musical

1435
01:16:24,020 --> 01:16:27,860
standpoint. And it's generally,
we're playing theaters. So it's

1436
01:16:27,860 --> 01:16:31,340
like 2020 500 seats, beautiful
old theaters, you know. So

1437
01:16:31,340 --> 01:16:35,240
that's, I love, those kind of
tours, just Persian rug tours.

1438
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,720
So, yes, exactly, just big
enough to have bus and crew,

1439
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,820
but, but you're not at a shed
outside of town somewhere.

1440
01:16:42,820 --> 01:16:45,820
You're at a beautiful, old
historic theater, and you're

1441
01:16:45,820 --> 01:16:47,980
downtown, and you can walk
around and see stuff. And

1442
01:16:47,980 --> 01:16:50,380
there's so many things about
that level of touring that I

1443
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:56,680
love. And so they have new
there's a band that's the band,

1444
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:00,840
and then they have these various
front people that sing different

1445
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,560
songs of his Gary Oldman. No,
Gary Oldman has done it before,

1446
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,700
but I didn't get to do it with
him on the touring I did. Todd

1447
01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:10,140
Rundgren was part of it. Yeah,

1448
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:12,780
the

1449
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:18,720
Royston Langdon, who was the
singer for space hog, oh, he was

1450
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:23,300
a huge fan of and is the most
Bowie like, voice wise of the

1451
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:24,200
bunch. Did you ever

1452
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,840
work with my friend Jeremy
little? He's like a background

1453
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,080
singer. Well, he's a composer,
but I could have one. He used to

1454
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,060
do it with old men, okay, yeah,

1455
01:17:32,060 --> 01:17:34,580
because they have, they've,
they've done various tours, and

1456
01:17:34,580 --> 01:17:40,100
it'll be a different collective
of people, you know. But also

1457
01:17:40,100 --> 01:17:45,220
Adrian blue? Yeah, he was, he
was on the stuff I've done, and

1458
01:17:45,220 --> 01:17:47,740
he was such a hero mine
originally from the King

1459
01:17:47,740 --> 01:17:50,260
Crimson, sort of mid 80s. King
Crimson stuff is

1460
01:17:50,260 --> 01:17:52,960
Adrian on here? He better be on
here. Man. Oh, yeah, I might not

1461
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,800
have him on Saturday live
performances with Adrian. If you

1462
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:57,400
pulled

1463
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,100
from my website, my website's
old. A lot of the latest stuff

1464
01:18:00,100 --> 01:18:00,700
isn't on there.

1465
01:18:00,700 --> 01:18:02,280
But yeah, and you know, you have
a wiki.

1466
01:18:02,340 --> 01:18:04,800
Did you start that? Or someone
else? I didn't start it's, it's

1467
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:05,760
the weirdest thing.

1468
01:18:05,820 --> 01:18:12,180
I'm pretty sure that it's a guy
that was a big Ezra fan, and

1469
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:17,280
he's a drummer and a singer and
that I'm friendly with, and I

1470
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,140
think he's the one who
originally started it.

1471
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,640
That's the thing about the wiki
is so I don't know why I don't

1472
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,240
have one. I don't have one, but
if somebody starts it on your

1473
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:27,140
behalf,

1474
01:18:28,580 --> 01:18:30,080
Your fate is kind of in their
hands,

1475
01:18:30,140 --> 01:18:33,740
I know. And so thankfully, it
was this guy, Jim, who has

1476
01:18:33,740 --> 01:18:38,180
always been a sweetheart, and
one of those rare in my world

1477
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:42,020
fan that becomes a friend, you
know, like he was a real Ezra

1478
01:18:42,020 --> 01:18:44,260
fan, but it was always
respectful, and it was always

1479
01:18:44,260 --> 01:18:48,340
very much about the music. And
so eventually, like, Hey, I'm

1480
01:18:48,340 --> 01:18:50,980
coming through with Sugar Land.
Do you want tickets? Like we

1481
01:18:50,980 --> 01:18:55,120
became friends, yeah, yeah. And
so thankfully, from for me, he's

1482
01:18:55,120 --> 01:19:01,020
the, I'm 99% sure he's the one
that initiated it, and so he

1483
01:19:01,020 --> 01:19:05,040
knew enough about my history and
my and you know what, it's

1484
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:08,040
respectfully done, although, if
I haven't looked at it in a

1485
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,340
while, but I think it says
something like, you know, best

1486
01:19:11,340 --> 01:19:13,800
known for Better Than Ezra,
because that's how he knows me,

1487
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,840
you know, whether or not that's
how I'm best known at this

1488
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,300
point. Who knows? You know. But
that's it reads that way because

1489
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:20,660
of who wrote it, you know. So
that is part of the thing with

1490
01:19:20,660 --> 01:19:21,200
wiki, yeah,

1491
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,840
I love it, Jim, you're awful
quiet is, you know, we got a

1492
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,480
world class trimmer here.
Anything that's under your mind,

1493
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:27,020
top of mind,

1494
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,200
I'm just still thinking about,
you know, the studio credits and

1495
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:31,400
all that stuff, yeah,

1496
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,460
then, and how people listening?
Like, I have a question about, I

1497
01:19:34,460 --> 01:19:37,580
was gonna say, on my side, if
you go really deep, I'll have a

1498
01:19:37,580 --> 01:19:39,800
thing called limited
engagements. Okay, so that's

1499
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,060
where you got, like, your Steve
Allen, Phyllis Diller, Randy

1500
01:19:43,060 --> 01:19:46,240
Brecker, you know, just like the
stuff for you, like, one night

1501
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,960
only, okay, yeah, most people
don't know who these people are

1502
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,480
unless, like, they're jazzers,
right, or very old people.

1503
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:56,740
Phyllis Diller, two weeks with
Phyllis Diller, I got cool, and

1504
01:19:56,740 --> 01:19:59,920
I almost went, I went into her
dressing room. I shouldn't.

1505
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,540
Knocked, I opened the door, ah,
I saw without her wig. Oh, wow,

1506
01:20:03,540 --> 01:20:06,840
yeah, she was close to that. It
was just frightening. Yeah, that

1507
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,780
must have been terrifying. She
was an older woman. This is a

1508
01:20:09,780 --> 01:20:13,260
dangerous job, with zero hair.
She had no hair and a big old

1509
01:20:13,260 --> 01:20:16,980
wig, and she was the first
celebrity ever to get

1510
01:20:16,980 --> 01:20:19,740
liposuction. Is that right?
Yeah, crazy. Crazy factoid.

1511
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:20,960
Okay, Jim go. Well, I

1512
01:20:21,140 --> 01:20:24,620
was gonna go back to the you
talked about the Aronoff when he

1513
01:20:24,620 --> 01:20:28,640
came in and recorded, what was
that? You know, that was the

1514
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,860
early 90s. That was the early
90s, so that he was

1515
01:20:30,860 --> 01:20:33,740
transitioning out of Mellencamp
at that point into the Smashing

1516
01:20:33,740 --> 01:20:34,520
Pumpkins, right?

1517
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,820
Yeah, that was pre Smashing
Pumpkins. Yeah. It might have

1518
01:20:37,820 --> 01:20:40,340
been post Mellon camp, or he
might have still been doing

1519
01:20:40,340 --> 01:20:41,720
Mellencamp. I don't recall for
sure.

1520
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,960
He was kind of get into that.
Into that, dare I say,

1521
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:45,700
alternative space, yeah,

1522
01:20:45,700 --> 01:20:50,380
yeah, yeah. And, and sort of
really making his mark at that

1523
01:20:50,380 --> 01:20:54,580
point as, like, session or tour,
just dude for hire, as opposed

1524
01:20:54,580 --> 01:20:57,340
to being, before that, being
known as mellencamps guy. Yeah.

1525
01:20:57,700 --> 01:20:58,720
So you

1526
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,800
and I have been with our
respective ex longer than he was

1527
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,740
with Mellencamp, and it seemed
like he was there. He was there

1528
01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:09,420
17 years. Oh, wow. No kidding.
Okay, 18 years. Yeah, yeah. How

1529
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,420
long have been plowed? Jason, 26
years. 26

1530
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,380
years. That's amazing. I gotta
say that.

1531
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,360
You know, next time you see
Jennifer tell I said, Hi. I was

1532
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,960
no idea who I am, but I just saw
her about a week and a half ago.

1533
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,700
She seems like a sweetheart. She

1534
01:21:25,700 --> 01:21:30,560
is a sweetheart. She is, she is.
She is such a talented singer

1535
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:35,120
like way beyond what most people
realize, super consistent, takes

1536
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,480
it very seriously, does all her
warm ups. She has done a lot of

1537
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:42,460
training, but she also is. And
the thing I recently did with

1538
01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:45,460
her, aside from the Sugar Land
tour in the fall, was we just

1539
01:21:45,460 --> 01:21:48,580
recorded a record. She's been
filming a new series. Her and

1540
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:53,260
Kevin Bacon are a couple in it.
And there are musical elements

1541
01:21:53,260 --> 01:21:56,200
to the show. Their characters
are musical. It's not a big part

1542
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,960
of the show, I don't think, but
they have some. So they wrote

1543
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,560
some songs for the show, and a
few of those were used in it.

1544
01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:05,040
But then they decided, because
they wrote more than were

1545
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,500
needed, they said, well, let's
just make a record in the voice

1546
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:10,260
of these characters, you know?
And so I just went up to New

1547
01:22:10,260 --> 01:22:14,880
York and we tracked that, which
was awesome. And I think one of

1548
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,360
her strengths, along with her
just her vocal ability as a

1549
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,980
performer, is she comes, she's
wound up transitioning into

1550
01:22:21,980 --> 01:22:24,380
acting and because she comes
from a musical theater

1551
01:22:24,380 --> 01:22:28,760
background. So even as a singer
with Sugar Land, when you know,

1552
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,060
most nights, the band leader
Scott Patton and I will often on

1553
01:22:32,060 --> 01:22:36,680
the bus, watch the show after
the show, the imag like your

1554
01:22:36,980 --> 01:22:41,560
Aaron Rodgers, yeah, like game
tape. Totally, yeah, and, and

1555
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,080
so, of course, so much of the
time the cameras on, so I'm

1556
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,360
seeing her perform in a way I
don't get to see when I'm

1557
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:51,460
playing. And she is not only
singing wonderfully and

1558
01:22:51,460 --> 01:22:55,300
connecting with the audience in
a real way, but she's acting

1559
01:22:55,300 --> 01:22:58,240
every lyric almost not in an
over exaggerated way, but

1560
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:02,040
emotionally, she's delivering
whatever she's saying. You sense

1561
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,920
that she's feeling that at the
moment, whether that's whether

1562
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,680
she really, she's, she's, I
think that's part of what's

1563
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,560
compelling about her as a
performer, you know. And also,

1564
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,680
as you say, she really is just a
sweetheart, and she's really a

1565
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,080
very sharp, savvy person, you
know.

1566
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,140
Well, it's funny because, I
mean, she's got, what do you

1567
01:23:19,140 --> 01:23:22,520
say? She she sings, like with a
rubber band in her mouth. She's

1568
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,880
got that Southern drawl, yeah.
She definitely does, yeah, yeah.

1569
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:26,720
So, I mean, and that

1570
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,360
is authentic to who she is.
She's from South Georgia, and,

1571
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,860
you know, she, like anybody that
has traveled the world and has,

1572
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,880
you know, educated themselves
and that kind of thing, yes, she

1573
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,140
can turn different accents on
and off or whatever, but, but

1574
01:23:41,140 --> 01:23:45,100
that is what you hear her do in
Sugar Land. Is not, it's not,

1575
01:23:45,460 --> 01:23:48,460
it's what she it's who she, it's
what she comes from, coming

1576
01:23:48,460 --> 01:23:51,280
from, like a Broadway, you know,
show tunes, background and,

1577
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,820
well, and, but she was doing
that originally in South

1578
01:23:54,820 --> 01:23:57,520
Georgia. Yeah, it's just now
she's actually done it on

1579
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,500
Broadway. And in a way, her
turning on the accent. That's

1580
01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:05,160
not that is the is the acting.
You know what I mean? Because

1581
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,460
that's what the role requires.
It's the whatever she's acting

1582
01:24:08,460 --> 01:24:11,640
in Chicago or wicked. That
person's not from South Georgia,

1583
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,280
so she's not going to sound that
way. But when you talk to her,

1584
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,740
especially if she's giving you a
little sass, it's gonna get

1585
01:24:16,740 --> 01:24:19,080
sassy. Yeah, that's that she

1586
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,680
projects too. She's got a big
voice. She does have a big, vast

1587
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:22,880
Tina Turner. That's a big,

1588
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:27,320
vibrating chasm, they do. I got
the I got the back her up on a

1589
01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:30,140
couple songs on that show,
American super group. It didn't

1590
01:24:30,140 --> 01:24:33,380
make it to TV, okay? She was one
of the celebrity judges, and I

1591
01:24:33,380 --> 01:24:36,020
got the back her up. She was
very nice. You saw smiles. We

1592
01:24:36,020 --> 01:24:38,300
saw her in a movie. I can't
remember what it was, good

1593
01:24:38,300 --> 01:24:40,640
actress, yeah. And it was one of
those people like, why do we

1594
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,180
know this? But she was so
familiar and all of a sudden,

1595
01:24:43,180 --> 01:24:45,340
like, oh my god, right, right. I
can't remember what it was,

1596
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,920
yeah, yeah, she's but she's
still doing anything with Bon

1597
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,480
Jovi at all, or anything like
that.

1598
01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:52,900
No, he came and did. He's on my
resume because he came and did.

1599
01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:55,360
He would occasionally come and
do, who says you can't go home

1600
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,780
with with Sugar Land, you have
every right to do that's right.

1601
01:24:59,500 --> 01:25:04,380
We have a. Theme. Now, yes, on
this episode, but, but I don't

1602
01:25:04,380 --> 01:25:07,080
think they've other than him,
maybe occasionally performing

1603
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,740
that song with us. I don't know.
I'm not aware of any other you

1604
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,080
know, them working together, or
anything else, but,

1605
01:25:13,140 --> 01:25:16,800
well, getting to, like, even
it's fun because I followed you

1606
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,040
for a while on social and stuff
like that, and you and a button

1607
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,300
like, kind of like a cadre of
other people here in town. You

1608
01:25:23,300 --> 01:25:26,300
guys hang together, and it's a
lot of fun to watch all the

1609
01:25:26,300 --> 01:25:29,000
Kevin Murphy click. And it's
funny because I did see you guys

1610
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:34,100
do your drummer's lunch one time
in SAM. Zoe, oh yeah. And, you

1611
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:39,080
know, I read, I recognized all
of you, Ben, from Kevin Ben, and

1612
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:42,880
you got, yeah, Keo, definitely
you were, you were the four most

1613
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,400
recognizable people, and I
think, but you had like, seven

1614
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,380
or eight people at the time,
yeah, and I had gotten lunch,

1615
01:25:47,380 --> 01:25:50,260
and I'm like, I should just
introduce myself. And I'm like,

1616
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:51,760
No,

1617
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,780
well, next time. Well, I will
now, but you know,

1618
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:57,940
yeah, I gotta see Kevin Murphy,
being like, Who the hell

1619
01:25:57,940 --> 01:26:00,480
is this guy? Well, salmon Zoe's
is a very small place. There is

1620
01:26:00,540 --> 01:26:01,680
a meeting. That's true.

1621
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,200
You're right. It is. It is kind
of unusual. We probably took the

1622
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:05,760
holding place over. It was about
six

1623
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:06,900
guys, I think, okay, there's

1624
01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:09,780
no privacy in that place. No,
you're gonna be sitting next to

1625
01:26:09,780 --> 01:26:12,900
someone. You be like, hey, so my
divorce repeated proceedings are

1626
01:26:12,900 --> 01:26:13,260
going to,

1627
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,280
I know it's like, yeah, it's
thinking about

1628
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:18,240
burying the body. I'm

1629
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,480
thinking about burying the
beater.

1630
01:26:21,740 --> 01:26:23,060
By beater, I mean body,

1631
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,900
right? Yeah, and any of those
things. If Murphy's present,

1632
01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:28,160
he's gonna be the ring leader.

1633
01:26:28,940 --> 01:26:31,580
Definitely a strong person that

1634
01:26:31,580 --> 01:26:35,660
he is just so willing to just
fucking say it.

1635
01:26:35,660 --> 01:26:40,040
He is absolutely willing. I
remember back maybe the first

1636
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:44,440
year or so I'd been playing with
Sugar Land. And I, after Sugar

1637
01:26:44,440 --> 01:26:47,380
Land was done for the year, I
filled in for Little Big Town.

1638
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:51,220
They were out with Carrie
Underwood, and just needed to

1639
01:26:51,220 --> 01:26:53,620
finish the year whatever had
happened with their drummer

1640
01:26:53,620 --> 01:26:57,340
situation. And so I was out with
them. And so they, I was sort of

1641
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,500
discussing with them, as they
were looking for who would be

1642
01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:01,260
next, you know, and they were,
some guys were some guys were

1643
01:27:01,260 --> 01:27:04,980
coming out and auditioning at
sound checks and stuff. And I

1644
01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:08,820
recommended Murphy. And so this
is whatever, 2008 or something,

1645
01:27:08,820 --> 01:27:14,760
maybe, and, and I feel like I
got word back. Well, maybe I

1646
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:18,720
didn't even get word back. Maybe
I just looked for myself at the

1647
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:22,040
time would have been Facebook,
probably. And then it's the same

1648
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,040
as now he was posting whatever
his opinion was at the moment.

1649
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,800
I'm like, well, he's not gonna
wind up playing for a Little Big

1650
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:29,840
Town, if that's what he's
supposed you know, if they look

1651
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,480
at this at all, and I told him
that I'm like, just so you know,

1652
01:27:32,540 --> 01:27:37,220
this is a thing. Be aware of it.
You know, not maybe not care. He

1653
01:27:37,220 --> 01:27:39,680
does not care. And at that time,
he acknowledged it. We talked

1654
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:44,860
about it and, and, but I think
he has just decided, whatever it

1655
01:27:44,860 --> 01:27:47,980
would, you know, he just is let
the ships fall. That's right,

1656
01:27:47,980 --> 01:27:49,300
and I admire that about

1657
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,500
he's still working. Yeah, he's
fun to watch, man. Yeah, he's a

1658
01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:54,220
solid player.

1659
01:27:54,220 --> 01:27:56,800
He's a great player, great
player, and a great friend, you

1660
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:57,640
know, yeah? Well, at

1661
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,720
this point in time, you'll be
able to proudly say that to you,

1662
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:01,980
you shared a podcast studio

1663
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,900
with me. There you go. It's
going on my resume.

1664
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,760
You You have every right, every
right. I will not judge you. So

1665
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:09,120
you and

1666
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,180
I could if we wanted to, Ludwig
drums, pro Mark sticks, Remo

1667
01:28:12,180 --> 01:28:16,200
heads, zillion symbols. Well,
I'm, I'm a DW and Sabian, but

1668
01:28:16,380 --> 01:28:19,500
ProMark and Remo and extreme
isolation headphones, we could

1669
01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:21,260
do a clinic together. We could
do a clinic.

1670
01:28:21,260 --> 01:28:23,900
We could totally, totally,
should. Yep, I've done, I've

1671
01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:29,120
done one or two clinic like
things in my life, and I just

1672
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:33,260
can't bring you joy. No, it's
not that, it's not that I just,

1673
01:28:33,260 --> 01:28:36,620
I feel, you know, I guess all
people have some measure of

1674
01:28:36,620 --> 01:28:41,080
imposter syndrome or whatever.
But, but I there is something in

1675
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:45,580
me, partly because of, you know,
and I don't wear it like a badge

1676
01:28:45,580 --> 01:28:49,180
of honor, the self taught thing,
because we all learn from so

1677
01:28:49,180 --> 01:28:52,480
much of what we listen to and
see and hear and whatever. But

1678
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:56,020
because I wasn't given lessons
and I didn't learn notation, I

1679
01:28:56,020 --> 01:29:01,200
did. There was no academic part
of my coming up, I always feel

1680
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,440
like, well, then I don't know
how to start. I don't know where

1681
01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:08,880
what I have to share. But, you
know, slowly, I'm shifting my

1682
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:13,200
thinking and doing it well I can
just share my experience. And so

1683
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,740
I have started thinking more in
terms of trying to do more of

1684
01:29:16,740 --> 01:29:17,220
that stuff,

1685
01:29:17,220 --> 01:29:20,640
because academia can really hurt
you. You know what I mean? It

1686
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,640
goes other way. You know what I
mean? There

1687
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,040
are people with business degrees
that, you know, there are people

1688
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,580
that have run businesses, that
can think and talk circles

1689
01:29:28,580 --> 01:29:29,240
around people, and

1690
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:32,600
college is becoming less of a
thing. And you were a you were

1691
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,820
ahead of the curve. There you
were like, You know what? Yeah,

1692
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,060
this is working for me. I know
that how this works. I'm gonna

1693
01:29:38,060 --> 01:29:39,620
go down this path. But

1694
01:29:39,620 --> 01:29:42,160
I mean all those valuable
stories, as you told just on

1695
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:45,040
this podcast, having humility
and, you know, putting your

1696
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,500
pride in your pocket. You know,
that's Dude, that's that's

1697
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:48,580
invaluable. Yeah,

1698
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:52,000
yeah. What are, how about those
extreme isolation headphones?

1699
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,700
Those are great, aren't they? I
love them. Use the ex 25 or the

1700
01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:57,880
ex 29 I don't remember.
Honestly, I use the 25 seems

1701
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:02,940
like the 20 nines. Are too
bright. Okay,

1702
01:30:02,940 --> 01:30:07,440
I'm trying. The ones I use most
of the time are the ones that

1703
01:30:07,740 --> 01:30:09,840
for. I don't know if they're
still doing it, but for a minute

1704
01:30:09,900 --> 01:30:14,280
they were making some that they
then one or the other licensed.

1705
01:30:14,340 --> 01:30:19,980
They say Telefunken on them. Oh,
god, they're the Telefunken

1706
01:30:19,980 --> 01:30:23,660
branded ones, but, but they're
made by extreme eyes. I missed

1707
01:30:23,660 --> 01:30:28,040
that period. Yeah. So those, I
have a few of their headphones,

1708
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,680
but the pair that I go to all
the time are those. It's the

1709
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,920
more squared looking ones,
whichever model that is, like

1710
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,740
back in elementary school, and
you put the record player on,

1711
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:40,160
remember those, those
headphones? Or was it just me,

1712
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,680
bulky headphones, yeah, like
they were square. I never I

1713
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,560
didn't have, we as a kid, we had
the radio shack, kind of round

1714
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,020
ones, but they were big and
bulky and kind of greenish,

1715
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,140
like what Ben Stiller was
wearing, and, uh, Starsky and

1716
01:30:53,140 --> 01:30:55,360
Hutch when he's jogging on the
beach. Oh, my God, that's

1717
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:55,900
fantastic.

1718
01:30:56,500 --> 01:31:01,740
I miss Radio Shack, man. Well,
you can get your male female

1719
01:31:01,740 --> 01:31:03,660
applicators, yeah?

1720
01:31:03,660 --> 01:31:06,840
Well, actually, fries kind of
took their place. But we don't

1721
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:09,780
have a fries out here, yeah?
Fries, California everywhere,

1722
01:31:09,780 --> 01:31:14,700
yeah, Nevada as well, yeah. But,
man, this is, this is really, it

1723
01:31:14,700 --> 01:31:16,200
was a pleasure getting to know
you. Man,

1724
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,540
yeah, yeah, well, you're just so
accomplished, yeah, you know, I

1725
01:31:18,540 --> 01:31:18,720
mean,

1726
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:26,240
yes, I like that. You can you
swim equally in the studio and

1727
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:31,040
live, and I love that, because
people always like, I was like,

1728
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,740
Dude, I just told myself I
didn't put limitations on my

1729
01:31:33,740 --> 01:31:36,260
mindset. I said I am going to be
a touring drummer. I'm also

1730
01:31:36,260 --> 01:31:38,540
going to be a recording drummer.
I'm also going to be an

1731
01:31:38,540 --> 01:31:40,340
educator. If I do all those
things, they will cross

1732
01:31:40,340 --> 01:31:43,240
pollinate and I'll never be
bored, right? Yeah, you

1733
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:46,060
know what I'm going to propose
here, based on what we talked

1734
01:31:46,060 --> 01:31:49,900
about earlier, about drum
clinics. Well, you and I have

1735
01:31:49,900 --> 01:31:52,480
been talking about doing round
tables. Yeah, you know three

1736
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:55,900
guys, or, you know, ladies in
here as well, yes, and having

1737
01:31:55,900 --> 01:31:57,940
fun conversations, just whatever
comes up,

1738
01:31:58,660 --> 01:32:01,260
yeah? Because the other drum
podcasts are not doing round

1739
01:32:01,260 --> 01:32:02,160
tables. No,

1740
01:32:02,220 --> 01:32:04,140
we can do that. Wouldn't that be
cool?

1741
01:32:04,140 --> 01:32:09,480
I think it'd be awesome. Yeah,
yeah, I did one of those. It was

1742
01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:13,560
like a special certain number
episode for national drummer

1743
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:13,980
podcast,

1744
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:18,900
was it Nashville drummers or
working working drummers?

1745
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:20,720
Podcast with Matt Krause, yes,
with

1746
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:24,860
Matt Krause. And it was, it was
McHugh, and maybe was it Hubert,

1747
01:32:24,980 --> 01:32:26,120
I can't remember, but it

1748
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,220
was three of us, Oh, yeah. And
it was over at the drum

1749
01:32:28,220 --> 01:32:29,540
paradise, yeah, yeah, yeah,
upstairs,

1750
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,020
yeah, yeah. And so that's the
only time, you know, it's not a

1751
01:32:33,020 --> 01:32:35,420
regular thing anyone is that I'm
aware of it. I think it's a

1752
01:32:35,420 --> 01:32:35,660
really

1753
01:32:35,660 --> 01:32:39,080
cool Yeah. Matt is our next
episode because in it timed out

1754
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:41,560
perfectly with them. 500th

1755
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:45,040
episode. He'll be out tomorrow,
tomorrow. Oh, cool. But, I mean,

1756
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:48,040
that's amazing. We need to start
looking at that. Okay, so every

1757
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:50,680
now and then getting some of
these guys that are that have

1758
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,740
just, you know, you're all in
the same kind of fraternity,

1759
01:32:53,740 --> 01:32:58,060
yeah? Well, but also, go ahead,
yeah, in a drum clinic sense,

1760
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,900
why not have three or four
drummers in the same clinic,

1761
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:02,220
like star power. You

1762
01:33:02,220 --> 01:33:05,880
know I did, I did a couple with
um, Troy, lachetta and Sandy

1763
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:10,200
Gennaro. Okay, so both childhood
heroes, because I would sit with

1764
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:12,780
my cereal in the morning and
watch these guys on MTV, sure.

1765
01:33:12,780 --> 01:33:15,540
And then later in life, they
become friends. Wild. What kind

1766
01:33:15,540 --> 01:33:17,460
of cereal? Um,

1767
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,260
Wheaties, corn flakes, Cheerios,
Honey Nut, Cheerios, honey

1768
01:33:21,260 --> 01:33:24,620
and cherries, Captain Crunch. I
like having crunchy cuts the

1769
01:33:24,620 --> 01:33:25,640
roof of your mouth. It

1770
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:28,520
does. I really love, I love
Captain Crunch, and I never buy

1771
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:30,620
it. Because, literally, two days
ago, I was looking at the

1772
01:33:30,620 --> 01:33:33,080
groceries like, those look good,
except That'll hurt, and I

1773
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:33,560
didn't buy the

1774
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,620
thing you got to do. You got to
buy the Malto meal version,

1775
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:40,040
okay? Because not familiar the
Cal like the mainstream

1776
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:43,840
versions, they've completely
bastardized them, okay? And I

1777
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,840
think the Malto meal, they're
called the mom brand. Okay,

1778
01:33:46,900 --> 01:33:49,120
don't ask me how I'm such a
serial expert. But anyway,

1779
01:33:49,300 --> 01:33:52,600
they're the ones that come in
the bags. Oh yeah, but they're

1780
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:55,360
not generic. They taste like how
they you remember them? Oh,

1781
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:55,720
okay,

1782
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,940
nice. Interesting. Okay, don't
ask me how good to know.

1783
01:33:57,940 --> 01:33:58,480
Interesting.

1784
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:01,380
But we're gonna hopefully be
kissing all these like additives

1785
01:34:01,380 --> 01:34:05,280
and GMOs and stuff, goodbye,
that's what they say. Who knows?

1786
01:34:05,340 --> 01:34:09,060
Yeah, is it time for the Fave
Five? Yeah, favorite color? Oh,

1787
01:34:09,060 --> 01:34:09,660
wow,

1788
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:13,440
wow. Oh, man, it varies. Yeah,

1789
01:34:13,980 --> 01:34:16,740
because you're, you're a well
dressed man. I'm gonna guess

1790
01:34:16,740 --> 01:34:17,280
red.

1791
01:34:18,180 --> 01:34:23,540
I don't know. I don't know.
Really, I lean into kind of

1792
01:34:23,540 --> 01:34:27,500
blacks and grays and more
neutral stuff, blacks and grays,

1793
01:34:27,500 --> 01:34:28,340
bro, yeah. So

1794
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,460
somewhere between black and
gray, yeah, I suppose Blay

1795
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:35,960
favorite food or dish, wow, wow.
As

1796
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:37,340
of late, I

1797
01:34:37,340 --> 01:34:41,920
would say, I think if you know,
occasionally, there's the

1798
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,940
conversation of, if you can only
eat once you know ethnicity or

1799
01:34:45,940 --> 01:34:49,180
style or whatever of food. For
me, it either be Mexican or

1800
01:34:49,180 --> 01:34:49,840
Italian, nice,

1801
01:34:50,140 --> 01:34:53,500
not Cajun, huh? No, but I love
it. I mean, I do love it. I

1802
01:34:53,500 --> 01:34:56,980
absolutely love there's a place
down here that maybe it's in

1803
01:34:56,980 --> 01:35:00,900
Colombia. I'll give her a shout
out. Go. Gosh, what

1804
01:35:01,620 --> 01:35:04,320
do you do? Like when you go to
New Orleans? Do you still are?

1805
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,960
You know, is Cafe Du Monde to
touristy? No,

1806
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:10,260
man, I you know what? We have.
My wife and I've been going back

1807
01:35:10,260 --> 01:35:14,760
there more in the last couple
years, more frequently than we

1808
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:18,600
were for a while, and in since
the in that couple of years,

1809
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:21,620
since we've been doing that, I
hadn't been to Cafe Du Monde,

1810
01:35:21,620 --> 01:35:24,500
and every trip we were there, I
would want to go, and we just

1811
01:35:24,500 --> 01:35:26,960
wouldn't fit it in. And so
finally, this last time I was

1812
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,420
there, I went, and I was like,
Yep, it's as good as I remember

1813
01:35:29,420 --> 01:35:29,600
when

1814
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:34,280
I was chicory hot, black chicory
coffee. That's that melting in

1815
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:35,060
your mouth

1816
01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:38,540
I make. That's the drip coffee I
make every morning in my house.

1817
01:35:38,540 --> 01:35:39,380
Is chicory coffee.

1818
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:40,360
What's the brand?

1819
01:35:40,660 --> 01:35:44,140
CCS. CCS, do they have it at,
like, your public's and

1820
01:35:44,140 --> 01:35:45,700
Kroger's? At Kroger? Yes.

1821
01:35:45,700 --> 01:35:49,480
So it's a red bag cc's, which is
for, it stands for community

1822
01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:50,860
coffee, which is a Louisiana

1823
01:35:50,860 --> 01:35:53,140
brand, yeah, that's right. Wait
a minute, community coffee,

1824
01:35:53,140 --> 01:35:56,140
community coffee, New Orleans
brand, I met their owner, and

1825
01:35:56,140 --> 01:35:58,000
just their regular flavor is
chicory.

1826
01:35:58,060 --> 01:36:00,120
No, they have a bunch of
different flavors, yes. And so

1827
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:04,140
it's a red bag with a yellow the
specific, because all the

1828
01:36:04,140 --> 01:36:06,660
flavors have a different little
square, and it's a yellow square

1829
01:36:06,660 --> 01:36:07,680
and it's chicory, but it's

1830
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:10,020
typically their brands are,
like, it's a it's a white and

1831
01:36:10,020 --> 01:36:10,800
red brand,

1832
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:15,480
nice, yeah, you know, we drink
is Don Francisco, oh yeah, it's

1833
01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:16,140
a night. It's, like,

1834
01:36:16,140 --> 01:36:20,040
very specific, is it in the can?
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, vanilla nut or

1835
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:23,960
Hawaiian. Okay, just like the
graphic design of that brand,

1836
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:24,980
yeah, look,

1837
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:28,340
I met the CEO owner of community
coffee when I had to do some

1838
01:36:28,340 --> 01:36:32,780
video shooting in Baton Rouge.
Oh, cool. Okay, and she was,

1839
01:36:32,780 --> 01:36:36,800
she's delightful, and I was
trying to think of, they

1840
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,440
actually have it at the Mercedes
dealership up in the Music City.

1841
01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:41,080
Okay, so cool, yeah.

1842
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:45,400
As of late, favorite drink? Ooh,

1843
01:36:47,620 --> 01:36:52,600
well, really, back to coffee. If
we were talking alcohol, lately,

1844
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:57,220
I've leaned toward maybe gin
drinks. Wow, that's a relatively

1845
01:36:57,220 --> 01:36:58,360
recent it eludes me

1846
01:36:58,420 --> 01:37:02,280
so like a gin Martin, yeah, yes,
because I always go with a vodka

1847
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:03,360
martini.

1848
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:08,760
Yeah. In fact, I would say a,
whether it's vodka or can be

1849
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,460
done with gin. A Moscow Mule is
probably my son go to,

1850
01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:14,100
especially if you have the real
that's, yeah, if you have the

1851
01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:16,560
copper mug, because it's so
cold, which, I love that, and I

1852
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,840
love the fizz of the of the
ginger beer.

1853
01:37:19,260 --> 01:37:24,320
Nice. Yeah, that's, that's
really good. This is so tough as

1854
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:30,800
of late. Or it could be, of all
time favorite song. Oh,

1855
01:37:33,620 --> 01:37:38,180
it's, I'm not big on favorites,
but I do. There are a couple of

1856
01:37:38,180 --> 01:37:41,200
few songs that definitely you
can name a couple. Always speak

1857
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:45,460
to me if I, if I had to name
one, I might say the Beatles in

1858
01:37:45,460 --> 01:37:49,660
my life. Wow, yeah, that's just
so good. And I am, you know

1859
01:37:49,660 --> 01:37:52,840
that, speaking of my dad being
sort of an early musical

1860
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,140
influence on me, my dad wanted
to be John Lennon. So Beatles

1861
01:37:56,140 --> 01:38:00,840
were the thing very most played
in our house. And so I've heard,

1862
01:38:01,140 --> 01:38:04,320
I can't remember. There's no
Beatles song that I can remember

1863
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,360
the first time hearing it,
because I've heard it all since

1864
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:09,960
before I can remember, you know,
so that is built into my, into

1865
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:14,700
me, from from him and so and
within the Beatles, although

1866
01:38:14,700 --> 01:38:17,340
it's difficult, if I had to name
a favorite, it's John and John

1867
01:38:17,340 --> 01:38:21,440
songs. And to me, that one in my
life is is just

1868
01:38:21,620 --> 01:38:22,760
beautiful. Remember what

1869
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:25,340
best net said Ringo

1870
01:38:25,340 --> 01:38:27,920
is if you take the drums

1871
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:32,540
and isolate them in any Beatles
song, uh huh,

1872
01:38:32,540 --> 01:38:33,620
there you go. How do you feel

1873
01:38:33,620 --> 01:38:36,380
about the Apple thing? Did you
watch the apple 10 hour? Peter

1874
01:38:36,380 --> 01:38:38,780
Jackson, yes, I did. Yeah,

1875
01:38:38,780 --> 01:38:45,280
fascinating. I'm such a for me,
the the top drummers are Bonham,

1876
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,080
Ringo and zigaboo from the
meters,

1877
01:38:47,140 --> 01:38:48,220
wow, that's a great

1878
01:38:48,220 --> 01:38:51,460
mix. That's why you work every
day. That's the, those are the,

1879
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:55,300
you know, and it comes from, I
mean, Bonham is just, just the

1880
01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:57,760
touch, the tone, that
everything. I'm a rock and roll

1881
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,220
drummer at heart, and he's the
ultimate rock and roll drummer,

1882
01:39:00,220 --> 01:39:04,800
I think. And then, you know,
growing up in New Orleans and

1883
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:09,360
just the meters really represent
that musicality and that feel

1884
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,420
that vibe. There's no songs
there. It's just riffs. But the

1885
01:39:12,420 --> 01:39:13,680
way the stuff feels

1886
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:14,940
Baba do about the

1887
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,360
band, yep, so good.

1888
01:39:24,860 --> 01:39:30,020
Nice. But then growing up with
on the Beatles, the song, craft

1889
01:39:30,020 --> 01:39:34,040
and the melody, all that is so
important to me and so and even

1890
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:39,200
the uniqueness of Ringo tones
and feel and creativity of

1891
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:42,640
parts, you know, so the
combination of those two things

1892
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:46,240
is what I think of as my sort of
touchstones, dude, you know

1893
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:46,780
that?

1894
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:49,900
I mean, I think that's why I
just see, not secretly, I'm here

1895
01:39:49,900 --> 01:39:54,220
in a very public forum, going, I
love you. Travis McNally, I love

1896
01:39:54,220 --> 01:39:57,460
Travis McCarthy. You know, you
put all those things in a

1897
01:39:57,460 --> 01:40:00,780
blender, and it's like, I think,
you know, Ringo. Favorite Phil,

1898
01:40:01,020 --> 01:40:05,880
but the tea towels, right? I
think that Phil has been on

1899
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:09,360
Sugar Land Records. I feel that
Phil has been on Megan Maroney

1900
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:13,980
records. That's definitely been
on Jason Aldean records, you

1901
01:40:13,980 --> 01:40:17,100
know, yeah, um, yeah, I'm an
overeducated rock drummer.

1902
01:40:17,100 --> 01:40:22,700
You're a rock trimmer at heart.
Um, what was in Oh, one time I

1903
01:40:22,700 --> 01:40:26,660
was hanging out with Zig Uh huh
at Nam Oh, cool. And I had just

1904
01:40:26,660 --> 01:40:30,800
started acting, and he goes, he
goes, Oh yeah, I could see you

1905
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:31,700
doing that shit.

1906
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,440
I really took it to heart. Nice
guy.

1907
01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:40,040
That is awesome. I've met him in
passing only a couple of times,

1908
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:42,880
but he's such a hero. You know
Stanton. I'm good buddies with

1909
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:44,680
Stanton. I've known him for a
very long time. We

1910
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:49,660
have so many millions of mutual
friends, and really, I'll just

1911
01:40:49,660 --> 01:40:52,720
see him at like pace and I'll
give him a quick hug. We have

1912
01:40:52,780 --> 01:40:55,960
not spent any time together. I
love what he does. He's so

1913
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:59,860
great. I love what he does too.
I love you know, he has that

1914
01:40:59,860 --> 01:41:03,660
passionate educator thing that
you have, which is wonderful,

1915
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,300
but then he's got a band, and
yeah, that's he does so many

1916
01:41:06,300 --> 01:41:10,500
different things musically and
who he is as a player, I love

1917
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:15,060
that he is the representation to
the current learning people of

1918
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:17,880
New Orleans drumming, because I
think he does it in a really

1919
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:22,460
aside from as an educator and
how he explains things, but his

1920
01:41:22,460 --> 01:41:25,220
playing, it's very authentic.
It's the real deal. You know,

1921
01:41:25,580 --> 01:41:26,000
Johnny

1922
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:29,360
Vida COVID passed the torch.
Yes, totally, totally, yeah.

1923
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:32,240
And so, yeah, I love him.

1924
01:41:33,860 --> 01:41:36,560
Earlier talking mentioned, my
wife has done so many different

1925
01:41:36,620 --> 01:41:39,500
things. One of the thing things
that she did is, when we were in

1926
01:41:39,500 --> 01:41:43,120
New Orleans, she had a couple
men's clothing stores, and so

1927
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:47,140
they were, it was called Style
Lab for men. And so she had this

1928
01:41:47,140 --> 01:41:52,360
series of ads of different known
people in town doing whatever in

1929
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:55,780
their clothes. And it would say,
whatever in style. And so there

1930
01:41:55,780 --> 01:41:58,480
was one ad that was drumming in
style, and it was Stan and I

1931
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:01,500
playing together, you know. And
so for the photo shoot, for

1932
01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:05,880
that, we're both just in on very
minimal, like, kick, snare hats,

1933
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,760
kind of kit, all crowded in
close, you know, you guys are

1934
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,280
dressed, yeah, yeah. And we're
dressed in all the, you know,

1935
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:14,040
clothes from the shop. And so
we're trying to figure out, you

1936
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,320
know, at first we just start
playing a little, but then the

1937
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:18,900
photographer was like, Well, you
know, I'm trying to capture

1938
01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:22,160
whatever movement and stuff. And
so Stan said, Okay, so I've

1939
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:27,500
learned this. If you just play
the the wind up monkey thing, it

1940
01:42:27,500 --> 01:42:30,020
winds up good in photos. So
we're just sitting there going,

1941
01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:33,260
boosh, bash, boost, bash. Like,
really, yeah, just the dumbest,

1942
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:36,200
simplest thing you'd think these
two New Orleans drummers would

1943
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:38,540
be getting all because, you

1944
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,400
know what, some of the greatest
press shots I've ever gotten

1945
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:46,840
were from pretending to play
same because we have the worst

1946
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,600
face. It's true, yes, yeah.
Like, you have a press shot

1947
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,640
right now where you know, you've
got the Ascot on it, you're in

1948
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:54,700
your studio, and it's, you look
great, yeah, you know, and, but

1949
01:42:54,700 --> 01:42:58,180
it looks like, I think you post
it comes,

1950
01:42:58,180 --> 01:43:00,960
it's great. It's both, because
you're right, that is

1951
01:43:01,020 --> 01:43:01,920
ultimately, otherwise,

1952
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,680
you make stupid faces and we're
sweating there.

1953
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:07,440
Every once in a while, there'll
be some live shot that almost

1954
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:09,780
looks like a photo shoot, but, I
mean, it's like, once every five

1955
01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:11,940
years you get something back.
It's like, oh, that's actually

1956
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,760
really cool. It's well lit. And
I'm not making a crazy face. I'm

1957
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:19,020
not stupid sweaty and I'm like a
needle in a haste. It is, it

1958
01:43:19,020 --> 01:43:23,540
really is. Mostly it's just
like, exactly this is

1959
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:27,500
going to be difficult for you.
Same thing as of late, or just

1960
01:43:27,500 --> 01:43:30,980
of all time, favorite film, oh
man,

1961
01:43:30,980 --> 01:43:37,340
wow, yeah, that's gonna be tough
for me. Gosh,

1962
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:40,160
it comes on. You could sit down
and watch it

1963
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:42,520
start. I was gonna say I have
one of those lately, because it

1964
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,800
has been coming on lately. And
every time, my wife and I'll

1965
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,860
stop and watch it and talk about
how great it is. Moneyball. Oh,

1966
01:43:47,860 --> 01:43:51,640
okay, yeah. So that's, yeah,
that's an as of late answer, but

1967
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,280
at the moment, that's just one
that has struck us. Every time

1968
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:56,680
it comes on, we're like, oh
yeah, this is great. And we just

1969
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:57,220
watched the whole

1970
01:43:57,220 --> 01:43:59,860
now, do you guys have similar
tastes in films as a couple?

1971
01:43:59,860 --> 01:44:02,340
Like, you know, sometimes
there's couples are like, one

1972
01:44:02,340 --> 01:44:05,160
person loves horror films, one
loves romantic comedies. But

1973
01:44:06,060 --> 01:44:06,600
mostly

1974
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:08,760
we're in pretty much the same
neighborhood. Once in a while

1975
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:10,920
there's something one of us
might want to see the other is

1976
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:14,700
not interested in. But
generally, TV movies were mostly

1977
01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:19,260
on the same page. Thankfully,
decor at our house, all that

1978
01:44:19,260 --> 01:44:22,520
kind of stuff, we're just on the
same page, yeah? Otherwise, I

1979
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:22,700
mean,

1980
01:44:22,820 --> 01:44:25,580
sometimes you're married to a
woman for a long time, and she

1981
01:44:25,580 --> 01:44:28,820
really could be in like, you
know, doilies and BRIC a BRAC

1982
01:44:28,820 --> 01:44:31,460
and all that kind of stuff. And
I'm like, Oh my God, right, but

1983
01:44:31,460 --> 01:44:34,160
I've been lucky that every woman
in my life has had almost like,

1984
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:36,680
masculine, you know what I mean.

1985
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:39,740
So that's worked out, yeah. So
why Moneyball? Are you a

1986
01:44:39,740 --> 01:44:41,200
baseball fan? It's,

1987
01:44:43,180 --> 01:44:46,300
I am a baseball fan. I don't
follow it currently. As a kid,

1988
01:44:46,300 --> 01:44:49,000
growing up, I was a big baseball
fan, but it's not as much about

1989
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:53,680
the baseball. It's really just
about the just the it could, it

1990
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,320
could be set in almost any
industry, but the inner workings

1991
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,440
just the nature of the
relationships and and the acting

1992
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:01,500
and the right. I don't know.
It's just, it's a,

1993
01:45:02,940 --> 01:45:07,020
I don't know it's a funny movie
to watch because of the strategy

1994
01:45:07,020 --> 01:45:10,200
he devised to really kind of,
you know what? I don't need to

1995
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:13,800
have the best players. I just
need to get them on base, right,

1996
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:16,320
right, right. Yeah. What's the
mathematical Well, right.

1997
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,960
That's the thing. It was the
embracing of the of the actually

1998
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:22,820
using stats as opposed to
intuition, or that guy likes,

1999
01:45:22,820 --> 01:45:28,280
like, yeah, exactly. And, but
the thing that part of what's

2000
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:33,200
intriguing about, I think, is
the, because the what's his

2001
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:37,880
name, the younger actor in it,
no, oh, it's, gosh,

2002
01:45:39,500 --> 01:45:42,460
he's the he was heavy at the
time. Uh huh,

2003
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:45,700
gosh, what was his name? That
dude?

2004
01:45:45,700 --> 01:45:47,260
Yeah. Anyway,

2005
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:51,100
he's the one really, with the
strategy. But the Brad Pitt

2006
01:45:51,100 --> 01:45:54,640
character is the one who
embraces it, yeah, and, and just

2007
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:57,280
is absolutely, are we doing it
this way? Are we not? Because if

2008
01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:59,200
we're doing it this way, we're
doing it all the way. He was

2009
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:01,620
taking the big risk. Yeah, he
was taking a big risk. And, you

2010
01:46:01,620 --> 01:46:04,620
know, I've read, I got intrigued
enough about it recently to do

2011
01:46:04,620 --> 01:46:07,980
some reading, and it wasn't
quite as heavy handed or as much

2012
01:46:07,980 --> 01:46:10,980
of a problem within the team as
it's as they portray in the

2013
01:46:10,980 --> 01:46:13,440
movie, because, of course,
they're going for drama, but,

2014
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:17,220
but just and again, so not even
talking about necessarily the

2015
01:46:17,220 --> 01:46:19,800
real thing, but just that movie
as a movie. That's part of what

2016
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:23,300
I think is compelling about is
that he's just like, nope. We

2017
01:46:23,300 --> 01:46:26,660
believe in this concept. So no
matter what anyone else, the

2018
01:46:26,660 --> 01:46:29,840
general manager of the team or
the press, what anyone thinks,

2019
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,480
Screw him. We're doing it this.
We're going for committing.

2020
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:34,940
Yeah. Jonah Hill, Jonah, thank
you. Thank you. Thank you.

2021
01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:39,500
Chris Pratt was in that movie.
Oh, wow. And God rest his soul.

2022
01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:41,080
Philip Seymour, yeah,

2023
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:42,460
one of our greatest actors

2024
01:46:42,460 --> 01:46:45,460
right now, which is awesome.
Just saw the other day that he

2025
01:46:45,460 --> 01:46:48,280
passed away much longer ago than
I really Yeah, was it like 20

2026
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:50,920
years? Was it heroin? I think, I
think

2027
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:53,260
it was. It was really sad,
because he was great. He was

2028
01:46:53,260 --> 01:46:54,400
great. He was great. I

2029
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,680
think he was you, I don't think
he was shooting it, he was

2030
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:59,500
snorting it, or something
shorter, because he was in The

2031
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:03,660
Hunger Games, Movies, okay, so
those were, I don't know if

2032
01:47:03,660 --> 01:47:04,440
those were a decade, yeah,

2033
01:47:04,440 --> 01:47:09,120
with Elizabeth Banks, yeah,
she's on my list. Give a list,

2034
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,980
what's your hall pass? It's
funny, because that movie

2035
01:47:13,980 --> 01:47:18,360
reminds me a lot of one of my
movies is The Big Short. Oh,

2036
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:21,740
yeah, sure, yeah, I can watch
that movie, anytime, yeah, with

2037
01:47:21,740 --> 01:47:25,760
what's your name the well, it's
Barbie. Robert was in it. Oh

2038
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:29,600
yeah, right. Steve Bucha, not
Bucha me. Steve Carell was in

2039
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:33,140
it. Brad Pitt was in it. Big
cast, totally. And Batman,

2040
01:47:33,140 --> 01:47:36,500
Christian male, yeah, Batman. Oh
my gosh. Hey, what's your

2041
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:40,400
question? Jim? My question, as
always, is, you know, if someone

2042
01:47:40,700 --> 01:47:43,600
holds a gun to your head and
said you got to pick a band, a

2043
01:47:43,660 --> 01:47:45,880
tribute for the rest of your
life. You can't do anything

2044
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:49,000
else. It's this, is it, man,
it's gonna, it's gonna cover all

2045
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:52,300
your basic needs, but every
single day, playing the music

2046
01:47:52,300 --> 01:47:54,760
over and over and over, probably
the Beatles.

2047
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:56,260
There you go. Yeah,

2048
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:59,740
fairly easy ones, nice, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you

2049
01:47:59,740 --> 01:48:03,000
were born five years after Ed
Sullivan,

2050
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,220
yeah, that's right, ladies and

2051
01:48:05,220 --> 01:48:07,260
gentlemen, The Beatles. I

2052
01:48:07,260 --> 01:48:10,440
had a conversation the other day
with some people here who don't

2053
01:48:10,440 --> 01:48:14,160
have the appreciation of the
Beatles, and I said, Yeah. I

2054
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:17,100
said, I understand that, you
know. I said, but you gotta

2055
01:48:17,100 --> 01:48:19,860
think, like, oh, it was an
industry driven thing. They were

2056
01:48:19,860 --> 01:48:24,380
very well marketed. I'm going,
Yeah, but they wouldn't be as

2057
01:48:24,380 --> 01:48:27,200
popular still if that were the
case. I think that's

2058
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:31,880
true now, early days when they
first came out, yeah, I think

2059
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:34,280
they were doing what they were
doing very well, but it was very

2060
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:39,140
much what other bands of their
space and time were doing. But

2061
01:48:39,140 --> 01:48:43,300
it just so happens that the
talent, the unique individual,

2062
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:49,540
you know, songwriting skills and
abilities and combined with the

2063
01:48:49,540 --> 01:48:53,080
success they had, allowed them a
freedom to pursue what they

2064
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:55,540
wanted to pursue along the money
ball ideas, just, we're just

2065
01:48:55,540 --> 01:48:59,740
going to do our thing. And you
know what? Maybe didn't. I don't

2066
01:48:59,740 --> 01:49:01,980
know if it was a conscious
thought, but the but the basic

2067
01:49:01,980 --> 01:49:05,280
notion behind that was they're
so successful that they can kind

2068
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:08,460
of do what they want and even if
it doesn't work. So what I think

2069
01:49:08,460 --> 01:49:11,160
they felt that a little bit, but
I don't think it was like

2070
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:14,700
they'll take whatever we give
them. It's just we we're gonna

2071
01:49:14,700 --> 01:49:17,820
do what we want and but they
were so popular that people were

2072
01:49:17,820 --> 01:49:20,840
open to it, and it turns out it
was really good. But

2073
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:23,780
we'll look at also their years
of productivity. Yeah, it wasn't

2074
01:49:23,780 --> 01:49:25,040
very long. No, yeah,

2075
01:49:25,940 --> 01:49:29,360
a high, large body of work in a
short period of time.

2076
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:32,360
Yes, very much shorter than I
think most people realize. Yeah,

2077
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:32,720
I love

2078
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:35,240
watching that Peter Jackson
thing. And you know, Ringo is

2079
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:38,120
just smoking his cigarettes.
He's got his tea towels on the

2080
01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:41,380
drums, he's got his teeth. He's
just waiting, and then they're

2081
01:49:41,380 --> 01:49:45,400
ready for the count the song
off, and it's just, they're in

2082
01:49:46,660 --> 01:49:49,900
just what to do. It was always
perfect, Yep, yeah, incredible.

2083
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:54,580
We've got, we've gone so long
that my photo reset. Look

2084
01:49:54,580 --> 01:49:57,460
at that. So Sugar Land tour is
this here?

2085
01:49:57,940 --> 01:50:00,900
Not sure. Haven't heard you.
Okay, yeah, yeah. Did the fall

2086
01:50:00,900 --> 01:50:04,080
tour, and then I don't know
necessarily what the plans are,

2087
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:04,260
but

2088
01:50:04,260 --> 01:50:08,040
someone's gonna call you Yeah. I
mean, right now, thankfully

2089
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:11,940
that my session thing is, is
picking up more, yeah. And so at

2090
01:50:11,940 --> 01:50:15,480
the moment, I'm just, I've got a
number of things on the books

2091
01:50:15,480 --> 01:50:20,840
for session stuff, which is
lovely, both at my place and on

2092
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:21,320
the road.

2093
01:50:22,340 --> 01:50:25,460
What do you do for Cartage your
stuff's not a Trump paradise.

2094
01:50:25,580 --> 01:50:30,080
It's not partly because I like
having my stuff available to me,

2095
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:33,200
so I have it come to and from my
house every time. So I use Larry

2096
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:35,900
firkins. Oh, Larry. I like
Larry's awesome. But he comes

2097
01:50:35,900 --> 01:50:38,600
out all the way out to Franklin
for me, that's nice. And so,

2098
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:44,740
yeah, I don't have to commit
anything to to being unavailable

2099
01:50:44,740 --> 01:50:47,500
to me, other than if it's a
Music Row session, you know, all

2100
01:50:47,500 --> 01:50:51,580
my stuff comes back to the house
and, yeah, so that's, I love

2101
01:50:51,580 --> 01:50:54,580
that, that, and that's the main
reason I've kept it that way.

2102
01:50:54,580 --> 01:50:58,060
And he's been okay with going
all the way out there every

2103
01:50:58,060 --> 01:50:58,480
time. Yeah, you

2104
01:50:58,480 --> 01:51:00,840
gotta, you gotta figure out how
to work that stuff. I mean, I

2105
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:06,720
pay $75 a month to keep a pile
of gear in Burbank, and I'm not

2106
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:09,540
using it, yeah. But hey, 75
bucks pretty cheap. That's

2107
01:51:09,540 --> 01:51:11,580
pretty cheap, so I gotta figure
out what to do with all

2108
01:51:11,580 --> 01:51:13,920
that. But, um, you gotta keep
that stuff, or

2109
01:51:15,300 --> 01:51:17,880
I'm always giving my gear to
Jim. We

2110
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:20,600
made a video one time where I
just walked around your studio

2111
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:23,540
at the other place, and I was
picking up. It was you filming

2112
01:51:23,540 --> 01:51:27,080
me going, you want this? You
actually, you still use this.

2113
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:28,700
You need this. I'll tell

2114
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,280
you. You do take it, Jim, wow,

2115
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:35,900
not as much as I should. No, but
We barter, because Jim is the

2116
01:51:35,900 --> 01:51:38,420
brains behind this operation. He
does all the file management,

2117
01:51:38,420 --> 01:51:40,720
all the editing, all the
marketing, like, right? Thank

2118
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:44,980
you, Jim. So the one last
question I was gonna ask you is,

2119
01:51:44,980 --> 01:51:48,580
as a fan, as a fan of vintage
drums, but not I don't have a

2120
01:51:48,580 --> 01:51:52,300
sick amount, like some people
get into. What are those Ludwig

2121
01:51:52,300 --> 01:51:56,680
drums that have, like the
sunburst in the middle? Oh, you

2122
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:57,940
record them a lot. Yeah,

2123
01:51:57,940 --> 01:51:59,500
yeah, yeah. So those are,

2124
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:04,200
that's actually, I have a ton of
vintage drums, and those are

2125
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:06,900
actually relatively modern
drums. They were sort of a

2126
01:52:06,900 --> 01:52:10,200
reissue that I guess maybe
didn't really work for Ludwig,

2127
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:13,800
because they only did them for
about five years, and they're

2128
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:17,940
called club date series. And for
a minute, for like, a year,

2129
01:52:17,940 --> 01:52:21,980
maybe they did a inexpensive,
made overseas club date series,

2130
01:52:22,220 --> 01:52:24,200
but then they did ones made at
the factory

2131
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:26,600
in on road, North Carolina.
Yeah.

2132
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:31,460
And I have two kits of those,
actually. One is I had them out

2133
01:52:31,460 --> 01:52:34,400
with Sugar Land in the fall.
It's the same drums as the ones

2134
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:37,220
you see in my studio, just
different finish. And I have

2135
01:52:37,220 --> 01:52:42,700
wood hoops on the ones I had on
the road. But, but it's, uh, I

2136
01:52:42,700 --> 01:52:45,340
don't I'm so bad about
remembering, like which woods

2137
01:52:45,340 --> 01:52:48,280
and how many plies and what
bearing is, whatever sexy I like

2138
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:52,300
that they are, and I love the
way those kits sound. And they

2139
01:52:52,300 --> 01:52:57,220
made them, I want to say, for
about four or five years. And I

2140
01:52:57,220 --> 01:53:00,840
think they stopped about four or
five years ago. So you can buy a

2141
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:04,620
muse club, you can buy used club
dates. And the, they always have

2142
01:53:04,620 --> 01:53:08,640
the single or the single lug
with the, you know, and a lot of

2143
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:13,140
them will have that duco paint
finish, you know, what I

2144
01:53:13,140 --> 01:53:18,480
have is the 1974 pro beats, oh
yeah, with the kind of Ringo

2145
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:20,900
esque, oh the finish, yeah,

2146
01:53:20,900 --> 01:53:25,760
black oyster, pearl or blue?
Yeah. I have a Gretsch kit that

2147
01:53:26,480 --> 01:53:30,560
that I used early days, the
first couple tours, with better

2148
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:35,480
Than Ezra round badge kit. But
when I bought it, it was, I

2149
01:53:35,480 --> 01:53:40,220
think, one of the it's like,
2413, 1618, and the floors

2150
01:53:40,220 --> 01:53:43,120
didn't match. And I don't know
it didn't all match. So I had

2151
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:46,900
them re wrapped, and this was
even before I joined Belize, or

2152
01:53:46,900 --> 01:53:51,640
had them all rewrapped to match.
Not knowing, not having the

2153
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:56,800
knowledge of that Gretch never
did a black oyster pearl. So I

2154
01:53:56,800 --> 01:54:00,060
did them in that because I'm a
big Ringo fan, yeah. And so I

2155
01:54:00,060 --> 01:54:03,360
have this black oyster, Pearl,
round badge Gretch kit that is

2156
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:07,260
not a thing, but I've got one.
And in fact, the biggest feature

2157
01:54:07,260 --> 01:54:09,600
I ever had Modern Drummer. I'm
playing those drums. Yeah,

2158
01:54:09,660 --> 01:54:13,860
did you ever, has your stuff
ever found its way to, like the

2159
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:15,900
hard rock cafes or whatever? I
do

2160
01:54:15,900 --> 01:54:20,780
have one small kit that hard
rock bought from me that was a,

2161
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:25,940
it was part of a DW kit that I
used for a long time with Ezra,

2162
01:54:25,940 --> 01:54:29,420
and I used on one Sugar Land
tour. But at some point I was

2163
01:54:29,420 --> 01:54:34,160
using two elements from it as a
cocktail kit. It was, it was a

2164
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:38,900
14 floor tom on a stand, doing
upright with one of those

2165
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:42,940
backwards, you know, cocktail
beaters, yeah, and then a edge

2166
01:54:42,940 --> 01:54:46,120
piccolo snare above it, off the
same stand. So it kind of looked

2167
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:50,980
like one big contraption, yeah.
And I used that for our acoustic

2168
01:54:51,100 --> 01:54:55,420
set for a long time with Sugar
Land, including an appearance we

2169
01:54:55,420 --> 01:54:59,200
did that. It was Beyonce, first
foray into country music, which

2170
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:02,280
was a. I remember, I was
American Music Awards, one of

2171
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:06,840
the TV shows, Beyonce, and Sugar
Land did a duet, and used the

2172
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:11,700
Sugar Land band, and I'm playing
that kit on it. And so when hard

2173
01:55:11,700 --> 01:55:16,380
rock approached me, they were
interested, you know, they just

2174
01:55:16,380 --> 01:55:18,720
approached me about, what do you
have that you might want to sell

2175
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:22,640
that has some kind of, you know,
his interesting history, and I

2176
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:25,880
told him about a few different
things, but I said this was, you

2177
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:28,940
know, it was used with Better
Than Ezra, it was used with

2178
01:55:28,940 --> 01:55:31,700
Sugar Land, and it was used on
this TV performance with

2179
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:34,280
Beyonce. And they're like, Oh,
well, then we'd have that

2180
01:55:34,280 --> 01:55:37,700
playing next to it in on a
little TV. So they wanted that.

2181
01:55:37,700 --> 01:55:38,420
That's awesome,

2182
01:55:38,420 --> 01:55:40,420
buddy. That's pretty cool.
Please tell me they paid good

2183
01:55:40,420 --> 01:55:41,380
money. They paid

2184
01:55:41,740 --> 01:55:45,100
crazy, dumb, ridiculous, good
money. Wow, yeah, I

2185
01:55:45,100 --> 01:55:47,620
wish they would call me, because
Jason's rock and roll enough

2186
01:55:47,620 --> 01:55:50,800
that surely, yeah, I would think
his. But I've, you know, wind up

2187
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:52,900
in one of those places. You
know, I played sonar for a

2188
01:55:52,900 --> 01:55:56,800
decade, and I sold like, 10
sonar drum sets. I figured, hey,

2189
01:55:56,920 --> 01:56:00,480
they got a decade of marketing
out of it. Oh, you know, yeah.

2190
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:04,620
You know, grassroots marketing,
yeah. And then I use the money

2191
01:56:04,620 --> 01:56:07,140
to pay for drumming in the
modern world, that thing I

2192
01:56:07,140 --> 01:56:10,260
filmed 10 years ago. So, yeah,
but now I'm with dw, and I'll

2193
01:56:10,380 --> 01:56:13,140
just probably die as a DW, you
know, it's funny, because

2194
01:56:13,140 --> 01:56:15,720
I remember talking to you. I
don't know if you remember this.

2195
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:18,960
We talked on the phone when you
were considering selling, when

2196
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:22,460
you're considering going to dw,
yes, because I was a DW guy at

2197
01:56:22,460 --> 01:56:26,780
that time, that's right? And so
glad I did, yeah, and I remember

2198
01:56:26,780 --> 01:56:32,000
encouraging it, and there, you
know, there are reasons I made a

2199
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:34,820
change, but it's nothing to do
with the people there or the

2200
01:56:34,820 --> 01:56:37,160
quality of their stuff. I mean,
they're amazing company, right?

2201
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:40,840
You know, so and Garrison, in
fact, is, I don't know, is he

2202
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,840
still artists relations over?
Yeah, such a great guy, and he's

2203
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,360
the reason I went with them
originally, you know, it was

2204
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:49,420
really for me, mostly about that
personal relationship with him.

2205
01:56:49,420 --> 01:56:54,040
He was so great to me, you know.
And I still value that

2206
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:56,500
relationship, even though I
haven't spoken with him a long

2207
01:56:56,500 --> 01:56:59,620
time, but I have so much respect
and love amazing. Yeah, he's,

2208
01:56:59,620 --> 01:57:03,360
he's the professional model of
how to return a email promptly.

2209
01:57:04,020 --> 01:57:06,720
Because, before you, I mean, as
soon as you send it, your

2210
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:10,440
response is back, and it might
be only two words got Yeah, all

2211
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:15,660
right, right, but he's got that
means, yeah, 4000 global, you

2212
01:57:15,660 --> 01:57:19,800
know, endorsers, yeah, in
different languages. That's a

2213
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:22,700
big job, right, right? Jim, do
we have fun? We had fun.

2214
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:24,200
A total fun. Did you learn?

2215
01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:30,080
I learned that I'm a Travis
McNabb fan. Even more, I'm gonna

2216
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:34,340
have a shirt. I heart Travis
McNabb. I just know I think it's

2217
01:57:34,340 --> 01:57:36,440
a, I think it's a, I think that
should be a shirt. It's like

2218
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:39,740
marcism. It. You know what I
mean? And I have the same hair

2219
01:57:39,740 --> 01:57:43,000
that you do. We have Senator
hair right now? I just, I have

2220
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:47,200
just spackled it, yeah, yeah,
because I love it, yeah? Rocket

2221
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:49,060
Man, yeah, I can own it. Looks
great.

2222
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:51,700
Yeah? Well, you know, it's
funny, because for me, the gray

2223
01:57:51,700 --> 01:57:55,720
came kind of early in my 20s. It
was starting, and at that time,

2224
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:58,960
like, I'm in an alt rock band
playing, like, college festivals

2225
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:01,680
and stuff. And the guys were
like, Yeah, we can't be, you

2226
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:07,440
know, you're 31 but you can't
look like you're 40, yeah. And

2227
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:11,460
so I died it for a long time,
and at some point when I wasn't

2228
01:58:11,460 --> 01:58:14,040
doing the Ezra thing anymore,
and I'm on Sugar Land, and I was

2229
01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:18,120
still dying, and after, I think,
coming in for rehearsals for a

2230
01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:21,260
new tour, so I hadn't for a
while show up at rehearsal and

2231
01:58:21,260 --> 01:58:25,400
nettles goes, Oh, I like the
gray. Like, permission, okay,

2232
01:58:25,460 --> 01:58:29,120
yeah, it's not really gray. It's
got, it's this, the chicks love

2233
01:58:29,120 --> 01:58:33,020
it. Steve Martin kind of thing.
You got all your hair, you know,

2234
01:58:33,260 --> 01:58:34,100
if it were, well,

2235
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:37,280
that's talking about Robbie
herring earlier. He has a great

2236
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:41,020
quote. He says, I don't care
what color, what color it turns

2237
01:58:41,020 --> 01:58:42,760
long as it don't turn loose. You

2238
01:58:44,500 --> 01:58:47,140
know, it's funny. I hear people
talking about, you know, losing

2239
01:58:47,140 --> 01:58:50,800
their hair and everything. And
it's like, okay, well, you want

2240
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:53,620
to see mine. I've actually just
recently grew mine back. I have

2241
01:58:53,620 --> 01:58:54,220
a lot more

2242
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:57,760
than I remembered. Oh, okay, was
that a nice surprise? I guess,

2243
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:01,080
you know, my wife was like, you
know, the bulb looks kind of

2244
01:59:01,140 --> 01:59:01,680
played out.

2245
01:59:01,740 --> 01:59:06,060
Jim. It's just so important to
me. I'm so close to the Earth. I

2246
01:59:06,060 --> 01:59:08,760
mean, five seven, I tell
everybody, five eight, I gotta

2247
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:09,480
have my hair,

2248
01:59:10,140 --> 01:59:12,720
right? You know so well, guys
like, we have hair everywhere

2249
01:59:12,780 --> 01:59:16,680
else but our I know. I go, I wax
all the other I sit there, and I

2250
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:19,020
sit on the couch at night and
pick hair out of my ears, for

2251
01:59:19,020 --> 01:59:22,580
crying out loud. It's like, I
have one that's like, so deep

2252
01:59:22,580 --> 01:59:25,580
inside my ear I have to go in
there with like, tweezers, and

2253
01:59:25,580 --> 01:59:28,400
I'll let it go for like, two
months, and all of a sudden it's

2254
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:31,160
like, and you're like, Oh my
God, this thing's like, makes

2255
01:59:31,220 --> 01:59:31,820
you cry. It

2256
01:59:31,940 --> 01:59:32,780
makes you cry. No,

2257
01:59:32,780 --> 01:59:36,020
I just, it's just like, it's
almost, it's got a satisfaction

2258
01:59:36,020 --> 01:59:38,300
to it when you pull it out. Oh
yeah. It's like, that long

2259
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:40,900
amazing Jim. It's freaking we've
lost our viewers and our

2260
01:59:40,900 --> 01:59:42,100
listeners at this point, this

2261
01:59:42,100 --> 01:59:45,400
is what I like, casual though.
This is fun, super casual.

2262
01:59:45,400 --> 01:59:47,920
But really, one of the reasons
to start the show was just to

2263
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:50,140
like, you know, shine a light on
all of our friends and and

2264
01:59:50,140 --> 01:59:52,240
everyone's like, Hey, when are
you gonna get Steve cat? Hey,

2265
01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:54,160
when you get Terry, like,
they're on the list. We're gonna

2266
01:59:54,160 --> 01:59:56,320
get Steve Gary. We're gonna
Terry buzz you. But I want to

2267
01:59:56,620 --> 01:59:59,200
interview my friends first. You
know, all the folks in Nashville

2268
01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:01,620
that we can be. In a room
together with because, you know,

2269
02:00:01,620 --> 02:00:05,520
and then we did quite a few
episodes during the pandemic via

2270
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:08,640
zoom. I was in Los Angeles, he
was here, but we got a lot of

2271
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:11,880
guests. That was fun. It's much
better being in the same room. I

2272
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:13,200
agree. I prefer it, you

2273
02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:16,200
know, I've done a handful of
podcasts, and more often, I've

2274
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:19,320
sometimes been in the same room,
but then it's audio, in those

2275
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:22,820
cases, audio only. And I have
also done online where it's

2276
02:00:22,820 --> 02:00:25,460
video and audio, but, yeah,
this, to me, is the best

2277
02:00:25,460 --> 02:00:28,640
experience. Just, just like, you
know, recording or anything

2278
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:31,040
else, when you can do it in the
space with the actual other

2279
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:33,260
humans, you get the energy,
yeah, it's just a different

2280
02:00:33,500 --> 02:00:33,920
totally,

2281
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:36,200
and it's like, you know, the
digitization happens where

2282
02:00:36,200 --> 02:00:39,440
people are going. Oh, you go
ahead. No, no, okay, I'll go

2283
02:00:39,560 --> 02:00:43,360
Yeah. Delay, yeah. Oh, you
dropped out there for a second.

2284
02:00:43,480 --> 02:00:44,560
Oh, it's horrible. Totally

2285
02:00:44,740 --> 02:00:47,380
horrible. Thanks for doing this,
man, yeah, thanks for having me.

2286
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:50,800
Yeah, it's so great. You know,
to celebrate you and I heart

2287
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:55,000
Travis McNabb, we're lucky to
have you. We're lucky to have

2288
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:57,460
you in the national music
community, and I'm lucky to know

2289
02:00:57,460 --> 02:00:59,440
you. So thanks brother, thank
you for doing this. Really

2290
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:01,960
appreciate it, Jim, thanks for
your time and talent, man, it

2291
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:04,680
was a great day. Jim and I got
to go run an errand together

2292
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:07,560
today out in Smyrna. We got to
have break bread and have some

2293
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:10,440
Chinese food. Nice. That's a
great day. You know, might even

2294
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:13,380
smoke his car at some point.
Maybe amazing. Hey to all the

2295
02:01:13,380 --> 02:01:15,900
listeners, we really appreciate
you, guys and gals. Be sure to

2296
02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:18,480
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2297
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:22,220
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2298
02:01:22,340 --> 02:01:25,940
give us five stars and a thumbs
up, maybe a couple words. Love

2299
02:01:25,940 --> 02:01:28,700
the show. All right. Well, we
appreciate you. We'll see you

2300
02:01:28,700 --> 02:01:31,820
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2301
02:01:31,820 --> 02:01:36,200
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2302
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