WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.070 --> 00:00:26.860 Anke: Hello and welcome Krista. 00:00:27.200 --> 00:00:28.870 I'm super excited to have you here. 00:00:30.360 --> 00:00:32.050 Thank you so much for having me. 00:00:33.300 --> 00:00:34.880 Can't wait to, to dive in. 00:00:35.370 --> 00:00:39.420 So before we go, before we get into the topic, let people know where 00:00:39.430 --> 00:00:43.050 in this lovely world are you and so what's your business with dogs? 00:00:44.940 --> 00:00:46.220 Krista: Yes, absolutely. 00:00:46.290 --> 00:00:48.390 Um, I am in the United States. 00:00:48.410 --> 00:00:55.510 I'm in the Atlanta, Georgia area, and my business is the Unleashed Project where 00:00:55.880 --> 00:01:01.070 really it's, it was born out of being passionate about our four legged family 00:01:01.070 --> 00:01:05.240 members and wanting to help as many animals as possible, healthy, adoptable 00:01:05.240 --> 00:01:10.500 animals, escape the fate that so many, you know, are now faced with and, um, 00:01:10.540 --> 00:01:17.615 euthanasia and, and, um, The United States and then marrying that with my 00:01:17.615 --> 00:01:23.145 love of strategy and systems and really follow through and sales and all those 00:01:23.145 --> 00:01:28.705 pieces because I realized in my volunteer work that there's huge opportunities. 00:01:28.730 --> 00:01:34.190 for bringing that kind of thinking into the animal welfare space. 00:01:34.220 --> 00:01:39.460 And so the Unleashed project is really based on the idea that we want to 00:01:39.460 --> 00:01:43.760 bring strategic thinking and creative problem solving and a whole heck of a 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:49.160 lot of compassion to this, this work that we have, which is really about. 00:01:49.500 --> 00:01:54.320 Especially in the United States, transforming the entire industry and, 00:01:54.470 --> 00:01:58.840 and doing it in a way that we are, I have all kinds of notes and flip charts 00:01:58.900 --> 00:02:03.370 behind me of, you know, how to solve the, the overpopulation challenge we face. 00:02:03.810 --> 00:02:08.520 But really the, the core note that I have on my dry race board is really 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:14.010 focusing on attacking the problem, not the person or the group, because that seems 00:02:14.010 --> 00:02:16.690 to be so just, everybody's passionate. 00:02:16.795 --> 00:02:20.095 And so it can be very much, my idea is right, your idea is wrong. 00:02:21.065 --> 00:02:23.345 And there's just, I see lots of opportunities. 00:02:23.835 --> 00:02:24.785 Anke: Yeah, I love that. 00:02:24.785 --> 00:02:25.135 I love that. 00:02:25.135 --> 00:02:29.015 And you know, I like, you know, the kind of what gets me super excited immediately 00:02:29.025 --> 00:02:35.705 is this, how can we bring our skills experience and, and, and merge it with the 00:02:35.785 --> 00:02:37.225 course that we're really passionate about. 00:02:37.925 --> 00:02:40.555 So I love how you've done that because obviously we know each 00:02:40.555 --> 00:02:41.855 other from a business context. 00:02:41.855 --> 00:02:45.335 So this is like, wow, this is interesting that, you know, how you 00:02:45.335 --> 00:02:48.125 bring this into this, into this world. 00:02:48.725 --> 00:02:53.965 So if you say, talk about like, let's, let's attack the problem, 00:02:53.975 --> 00:02:55.375 not the people or the group. 00:02:55.765 --> 00:03:00.795 So how would you, you know, through the lens of the volunteer work you're doing, 00:03:00.795 --> 00:03:03.065 like, what do you see as the problem? 00:03:03.085 --> 00:03:04.405 How would you explain 00:03:04.585 --> 00:03:04.635 Krista: that? 00:03:06.230 --> 00:03:10.200 Yeah, well, and that's why I have, and again, and I'll show you sometime too, 00:03:10.200 --> 00:03:14.430 the, the flip charts of kind of really trying to solve what is this core problem 00:03:14.430 --> 00:03:19.480 that, that we're facing, you know, and I believe part of it, and again, speaking 00:03:19.480 --> 00:03:23.180 for what I'm experiencing in the United States, in the South too, where a lot 00:03:23.180 --> 00:03:27.340 of times people are, um, and I say this being a person that lives in the South, 00:03:27.340 --> 00:03:31.370 just slower to adjust to different ways of thinking, you know, and so in 00:03:31.370 --> 00:03:35.090 the South, a lot of times, you know, people look at animals as property. 00:03:36.535 --> 00:03:38.325 Which is really a huge challenge. 00:03:38.355 --> 00:03:43.225 And, um, then, you know, it's, they don't prioritize spay or neuter. 00:03:44.075 --> 00:03:47.105 And it's kind of, does the government need to mandate it? 00:03:47.115 --> 00:03:50.935 And then, you know, I've done some work even with the commissioners here locally. 00:03:51.215 --> 00:03:56.105 And then I've learned so much about the law side of it and all the 00:03:56.135 --> 00:04:00.485 lobbyists and influences there, and, but I like to hunt and I mean, 00:04:00.485 --> 00:04:05.865 just lots of complications, but then it's also the idea of you can only. 00:04:06.005 --> 00:04:10.045 A law is only as good as you're able to enforce it, you know, and 00:04:10.045 --> 00:04:13.245 so there's backyard breeders or, you know, all the different things 00:04:13.255 --> 00:04:18.685 so it's, I don't know that I could say the exact problem, you know, I 00:04:18.695 --> 00:04:23.335 used to think it was overpopulation of animals and shelters, but there's 00:04:23.905 --> 00:04:28.285 human activities or actions that are leading to that, you know, and so. 00:04:28.890 --> 00:04:33.510 Even in, in Georgia, where I live too, there's a lot of apartments and rental 00:04:33.510 --> 00:04:37.810 homes or different things that if you rent, a lot of times there are certain 00:04:37.810 --> 00:04:40.970 dogs you're not allowed to have, or maybe you're not allowed any dog. 00:04:41.490 --> 00:04:43.800 So then people are forced to give up their animals. 00:04:44.390 --> 00:04:46.600 And we see that in the volunteer work I do too. 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.950 So it's, it's a multifaceted. 00:04:50.230 --> 00:04:50.490 Anke: Yeah. 00:04:50.550 --> 00:04:52.260 I mean, it's not an easy one, right? 00:04:52.260 --> 00:04:57.445 Because I'm wondering, You know, the, the overpopulation, it, it kind of 00:04:57.855 --> 00:04:59.355 doesn't sound right to me, right? 00:04:59.355 --> 00:05:03.255 It's almost like I wouldn't, and that's the thing, I don't know the numbers. 00:05:03.335 --> 00:05:05.305 That's just like sort of the impression. 00:05:05.325 --> 00:05:08.325 And because it's very similar here in that sense of like, yeah, dogs 00:05:08.335 --> 00:05:09.865 are tools or toys for the kids. 00:05:09.925 --> 00:05:13.765 And, you know, and if they no longer serve us, then, you know, so there's 00:05:13.765 --> 00:05:17.905 a lot of that attitude, which has driven me to create all that by dogs, 00:05:17.935 --> 00:05:21.925 because they've got to kind of change the narrative somehow, you know, but it 00:05:21.925 --> 00:05:26.235 doesn't feel to me as if they're like, It's not like a plague that there's 00:05:26.265 --> 00:05:27.995 all of a sudden too many cats and dogs. 00:05:28.465 --> 00:05:32.485 It's almost like if you look at the number of households and the number of 00:05:32.635 --> 00:05:35.395 people, you know, and the number of dogs. 00:05:35.405 --> 00:05:40.745 So I don't think this necessarily would have to be a problem if, you know, almost 00:05:40.815 --> 00:05:45.900 like If the attitude towards animals and our responsibility towards them was 00:05:45.900 --> 00:05:52.580 different, if, as you say, you know, like, if it wasn't made so difficult 00:05:52.590 --> 00:05:58.440 to have a dog in a rental apartment or in this or that kind of stuff. 00:05:58.450 --> 00:06:04.010 So it's almost like, It's not really that there's too many dogs, it's almost there's 00:06:04.050 --> 00:06:10.300 not enough households who are willing and able to take care of one, you know? 00:06:11.030 --> 00:06:14.740 Krista: And that, I think you hit the nail on the head, you know, and I know 00:06:14.740 --> 00:06:16.980 you and I both like systems and processes. 00:06:16.990 --> 00:06:22.110 So I came up with like a social change framework, um, of even looking 00:06:22.110 --> 00:06:26.060 at like, if I could, you know, go in and do it, what would we change? 00:06:26.060 --> 00:06:28.970 And it really is influencing behaviors and how we. 00:06:29.310 --> 00:06:34.930 Look at animals because, you know, I, I can tell you wholeheartedly, we 00:06:34.930 --> 00:06:36.760 would probably move across the country. 00:06:36.760 --> 00:06:40.720 At least I know I would, I might have to drag my husband a little bit, but if 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:45.090 something needed to happen for the dog, I mean, it's that, you know, I mean, our 00:06:45.090 --> 00:06:50.340 dogs are very much part of our family and I know not everybody is, is to that 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.910 extreme, but I would, I prioritize that. 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.160 And that's, you know, it's, it's a lifelong commitment 00:06:56.180 --> 00:06:57.390 in the way that I look at it. 00:06:57.390 --> 00:06:58.320 It's not just. 00:06:58.845 --> 00:07:01.025 Oh, you know, for Christmas or that kind of thing. 00:07:01.025 --> 00:07:07.135 But it's, it really gets back to, I believe, shifting people's belief and 00:07:07.205 --> 00:07:13.785 responsibility, which is a whole paradigm of, of how, you know, to shift the whole 00:07:14.035 --> 00:07:15.575 way people are thinking about animals. 00:07:15.605 --> 00:07:19.385 If, if we look at it at that small level or that big level, and then. 00:07:20.230 --> 00:07:23.360 You know, the volunteer work we do is helping animals get 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:24.740 out of a high kill shelter. 00:07:24.770 --> 00:07:27.410 And so that's where we're having all the conversations. 00:07:27.420 --> 00:07:29.950 One of the first things we ask people when they want to foster 00:07:29.950 --> 00:07:31.050 is, you know, do you rent? 00:07:31.610 --> 00:07:33.930 Because we want to know, are there regulations? 00:07:33.960 --> 00:07:36.600 Because many, unfortunately here, do have that. 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:41.410 And then it's also the, the current economic situation we're in. 00:07:41.440 --> 00:07:46.185 You know, as people, are challenged to put food sometimes on their 00:07:46.185 --> 00:07:49.435 own table, you know, or pay their own bills, and then maybe the dog 00:07:49.435 --> 00:07:51.725 needs surgery, which is expensive. 00:07:51.725 --> 00:07:52.575 Oh, don't, 00:07:52.575 --> 00:07:56.825 Anke: don't get me even, don't even go, let's not even go there, because I've 00:07:56.825 --> 00:08:00.755 heard things from friends and clients I have in the States, and there's the 00:08:01.185 --> 00:08:05.975 horror stories they tell about, you know, the, the, the ridiculous cost 00:08:06.035 --> 00:08:10.985 of stuff, and insurances try then not step up, or like, try and sort of find 00:08:10.985 --> 00:08:12.915 some loophole to not have to pay, and. 00:08:13.825 --> 00:08:16.285 Yeah, no, that's not, that's not funny. 00:08:16.565 --> 00:08:19.775 Krista: Yeah, and it's, and, you know, I've done so much market research, again, 00:08:19.775 --> 00:08:24.365 being a data nerd too, talking with some of the companies that even, you know, try, 00:08:24.375 --> 00:08:29.805 this is their focus, and then also down to like the grassroots level of, you know, 00:08:29.815 --> 00:08:34.235 really helping animals get out every day from, from this, um, high kill facility. 00:08:34.935 --> 00:08:39.590 Um, and I, I, I, What I've, without having kind of the big picture answer, 00:08:39.590 --> 00:08:42.630 which I would love to have or figure out, I figured, you know, as long as I can 00:08:42.640 --> 00:08:48.180 influence my current space in a positive way, until I know what this big answer is, 00:08:48.190 --> 00:08:53.420 you know, and, and also to help people, you know, within different facilities 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:57.800 within our government and things that are doing that, but to give them the 00:08:57.800 --> 00:08:59.840 tools of how do we think strategically? 00:09:00.170 --> 00:09:01.340 How do we follow up? 00:09:01.580 --> 00:09:04.330 How do we bring sales in a positive way? 00:09:04.340 --> 00:09:05.990 You know, I look at sales as service. 00:09:07.145 --> 00:09:10.955 And, you know, and actually interact with people in a way that, you know, 00:09:11.355 --> 00:09:12.935 be appreciative of the volunteers. 00:09:12.935 --> 00:09:16.985 There's so many ways that, you know, that's like crazy to even think that 00:09:16.985 --> 00:09:21.035 we say these things coming from the business side, but to be able to instill 00:09:21.035 --> 00:09:26.055 and infuse some of those values and ways of thinking, I see huge opportunities 00:09:26.275 --> 00:09:30.875 because so many times it is, you know, people that are just literally fighting 00:09:30.875 --> 00:09:34.225 with the next person, you know, but they both want to save animals, but yet it's. 00:09:35.580 --> 00:09:38.030 Anke: Yeah, I mean, that's so the same here. 00:09:38.400 --> 00:09:43.780 So, like, how would you, if somebody goes, so that project you're doing, 00:09:43.800 --> 00:09:45.890 like, you know, like, what is it? 00:09:45.980 --> 00:09:51.720 Like, what is the, you know, like, what is the, well, the, the objective, sort 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:53.600 of the outcome, the idea, you know? 00:09:53.790 --> 00:09:55.260 So, like, what does that look like? 00:09:55.260 --> 00:09:58.890 And they, you know, is it like, Well, you, you'd explain it. 00:09:59.900 --> 00:10:02.510 Krista: Yeah, no, that's a great, it's a perfect question. 00:10:02.520 --> 00:10:07.140 And it really right now is where I'm open to just opportunities to create 00:10:07.350 --> 00:10:09.100 an influence change in this space. 00:10:09.130 --> 00:10:13.580 And so everything from speaking engagements, you know, in front of 00:10:13.610 --> 00:10:18.430 this kind of, uh, crowd to help give them the tools to think strategically, 00:10:18.430 --> 00:10:22.390 to solve the problem, you know, a different way, like bring something 00:10:22.390 --> 00:10:26.650 that maybe worked in a different industry to this industry that's just. 00:10:27.005 --> 00:10:30.275 Been the same for I don't know how long, but ridiculous amounts of time. 00:10:30.765 --> 00:10:35.515 I've partnered with Humane Societies to come up with marketing campaigns to 00:10:35.515 --> 00:10:39.605 influence change, you know, in their areas and bring in, you know, influencers or 00:10:39.605 --> 00:10:44.995 different ways to create that positive relationship and, and really foster 00:10:44.995 --> 00:10:49.905 that responsibility that a pet is for life, you know, it's not for the season. 00:10:50.355 --> 00:10:53.805 And, um, then I've also partnered with the commissioner too and worked, 00:10:53.855 --> 00:10:59.155 you know, just on trying to help, um, some of the local groups better 00:10:59.155 --> 00:11:03.725 utilize their funds that they do have to create, make sure it's going to the 00:11:03.725 --> 00:11:07.855 biggest impact activities, because as you and I both know, there's 80, 000 00:11:07.855 --> 00:11:11.025 activities, one that you could do in your business every day, but also that 00:11:11.025 --> 00:11:14.995 could help animals and making sure the funds that are available are really 00:11:14.995 --> 00:11:17.375 invested in those high ROI areas. 00:11:18.595 --> 00:11:23.625 Anke: Like really almost like bringing a business hat to the doggy industry. 00:11:23.665 --> 00:11:23.845 Right. 00:11:23.845 --> 00:11:28.855 And I love that because I see this sort of my big vision kind of project 00:11:28.855 --> 00:11:32.815 that I thought, Oh, like these steps don't really draw me in until I 00:11:32.955 --> 00:11:36.770 figured out a way to kind of give this a voice was like a sort of. 00:11:37.010 --> 00:11:40.310 You know, and it was inspired by, you know, a lot of like 00:11:40.330 --> 00:11:42.470 rescue people like here. 00:11:42.470 --> 00:11:46.570 And it's often, you know, it's often young girls that are kind of unemployed. 00:11:46.580 --> 00:11:47.340 They don't have money. 00:11:47.340 --> 00:11:48.400 They haven't got a clue. 00:11:48.610 --> 00:11:53.240 They have a passion and they do their best, you know, but, but it's just always 00:11:53.280 --> 00:11:59.680 then like begging for PayPal transfers and then it's dodgy and people don't like 00:11:59.680 --> 00:12:02.960 people, then there's always some, some people who write off it and, and, and. 00:12:03.140 --> 00:12:07.700 And scam people and put like, you know, horrible pictures of, of 00:12:07.750 --> 00:12:11.600 emergency situations to scam people out of money so nobody trusts 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.010 them and they're all struggling. 00:12:13.190 --> 00:12:16.980 And I've often thought like, God, if this was run like a proper business, 00:12:17.250 --> 00:12:20.230 you know, when there's a service and there is, there's like, you know, 00:12:20.230 --> 00:12:23.540 there are services that bring in money so the other stuff can be funded. 00:12:23.750 --> 00:12:26.830 And, and I, that's why I was so excited when I heard you talk, 00:12:26.830 --> 00:12:28.160 I was like, you're doing that. 00:12:28.900 --> 00:12:31.520 Krista: Yeah, and, and that's, you're exactly right. 00:12:31.520 --> 00:12:34.260 And knowing, you know, your business background too, it just, 00:12:34.300 --> 00:12:37.700 the worlds have been separate in my experience to a large degree. 00:12:37.700 --> 00:12:40.650 I mean, there's definitely people bringing that in, you know, in different 00:12:40.650 --> 00:12:43.560 ways, but there's such an opportunity. 00:12:43.995 --> 00:12:46.755 And, you know, one of the questions that I'm playing with, and I'll give 00:12:46.755 --> 00:12:50.145 to you because you're super smart, and not that we'll know the answer today, 00:12:50.145 --> 00:12:57.445 but is, you know, the, the breeding industry, or, you know, the paid 5, 000 00:12:57.445 --> 00:13:01.065 for this specific dog, or, you know, pet stores, those kind of things, they 00:13:01.065 --> 00:13:03.685 market, they run an actual business. 00:13:04.025 --> 00:13:09.225 And so how, you know, Do we model what they've done to get people in, you 00:13:09.225 --> 00:13:14.055 know, and also make the rescue dogs, the rescue cats just as appealing? 00:13:14.065 --> 00:13:17.545 Like what is, you know, I almost think of like the Starbucks effect, you 00:13:17.545 --> 00:13:20.325 know, where people all of a sudden start paying 10 for a cup of coffee. 00:13:21.025 --> 00:13:24.645 But how do we like, that's a question that I don't have the exact answer 00:13:24.645 --> 00:13:27.655 to yet, but I know just giving you that question, your brain will 00:13:27.665 --> 00:13:28.925 come up with all kinds of stuff. 00:13:29.295 --> 00:13:33.355 But it's kind of thinking like, how do we Just totally throw the current 00:13:33.355 --> 00:13:38.355 model on its head, and what can that look like where it's actually 00:13:38.385 --> 00:13:42.405 a pride and joy and a marker of awesomeness to have a rescue dog. 00:13:42.915 --> 00:13:44.695 Anke: I, like, I'm just like, wait, what? 00:13:44.725 --> 00:13:47.365 I can't imagine anything else, right? 00:13:47.365 --> 00:13:48.205 Yes, yes. 00:13:48.205 --> 00:13:52.135 It's almost like, well, all, you know, well, the last one isn't specific. 00:13:52.135 --> 00:13:54.915 Like, the last one is the only one where I actually know the parents. 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:55.480 Right. 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:57.150 So, and that wasn't the breeder either. 00:13:57.180 --> 00:14:00.680 So it wasn't somebody, Oh, we have a lot of puppies that need homes. 00:14:00.680 --> 00:14:00.980 Right. 00:14:01.010 --> 00:14:05.590 So, well, they kind of rescued from a shitty life too, you know, but it's 00:14:05.590 --> 00:14:08.550 the only, the only dog I actually even know the parents, everybody 00:14:08.550 --> 00:14:09.760 else is straight from the street. 00:14:09.810 --> 00:14:10.030 Right. 00:14:10.030 --> 00:14:16.750 And I think, Looking back at the summit I ran in February, uh, and the whole sort 00:14:16.760 --> 00:14:20.950 of topic around, you know, it was about ease and anxiety in rescue dogs, right? 00:14:20.950 --> 00:14:23.630 Because there's always this narrative that like, you know, they're all 00:14:23.630 --> 00:14:27.880 traumatized and they all, you know, they come like with baggage and 00:14:27.880 --> 00:14:29.760 that's where my mind goes initially. 00:14:29.760 --> 00:14:36.640 It's, I think people often hold back from considering a rescue dog because it's 00:14:36.640 --> 00:14:40.340 like, oh, I don't want to like, I'm, I'm not experienced, so I'd rather go for 00:14:40.340 --> 00:14:42.360 a breeder and I get like a blank slate. 00:14:42.985 --> 00:14:46.385 You know, so I, I get a new car kind of thing, right? 00:14:46.405 --> 00:14:50.415 I don't want to use this car because who knows what's under the hood. 00:14:50.455 --> 00:14:54.605 And I don't want to have to deal with all the baggage that comes up. 00:14:54.635 --> 00:14:55.025 Right. 00:14:55.205 --> 00:14:56.855 And I think change. 00:14:56.885 --> 00:14:58.645 And from what I've learned. 00:14:59.070 --> 00:15:03.480 From, you know, all the experts I've spoken to from at the summit 00:15:03.510 --> 00:15:09.130 and ever since that I keep inviting people, uh, and especially sessions 00:15:09.180 --> 00:15:14.410 around trauma and, you know, it can happen to a puppy from a breeder. 00:15:15.280 --> 00:15:16.500 Like it doesn't make a difference. 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:24.015 Like I think this is almost like If, if we could come out with marketing, like 00:15:24.095 --> 00:15:30.545 with that, like support that narrative that a rescued dog is no more damaged 00:15:30.765 --> 00:15:34.695 than your puppy from a breeder, you know, I think that might level out 00:15:34.895 --> 00:15:36.385 the playing field a bit, you know. 00:15:37.010 --> 00:15:38.450 Krista: And that's a great point too. 00:15:38.450 --> 00:15:43.850 I mean, I've seen just crazy stories too of the, the trauma caused, I mean, with 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.030 breeders and how people think it's, oh, and this beautiful castle and all these 00:15:48.030 --> 00:15:53.050 dogs are, no, they're many times kept in terrible, terrible conditions, you know, 00:15:53.050 --> 00:15:58.210 and just, And, and so to your point, though, the trauma piece, and it's funny 00:15:58.220 --> 00:16:02.540 because I didn't know any dog any other way other than from the, you know, the 00:16:02.540 --> 00:16:09.600 shelter, both our dogs were from the, the kill list, you know, and, um, and, and 00:16:09.790 --> 00:16:15.330 it, I mean, both of them did come scared as can be, but I've also seen dogs that 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:19.690 within two or three days of being in their new foster home are licking the owner's 00:16:19.690 --> 00:16:23.655 face, Sleeping with the owner in the bed, you know, if that's how they, they are. 00:16:23.675 --> 00:16:29.495 And so it can also be a fast turnaround, but to me, there's, I 00:16:29.495 --> 00:16:35.585 guess I get joy in that seeing them become a dog again, you know, so it's, 00:16:36.325 --> 00:16:38.685 Anke: yeah, that's, I love that. 00:16:38.725 --> 00:16:40.365 Like we have become a dog again. 00:16:40.655 --> 00:16:44.625 And I think it's, it's like, because there's so many things that can kind of. 00:16:46.045 --> 00:16:50.135 It's just like people, you know, you can be traumatized without having experienced 00:16:50.135 --> 00:16:51.455 something really horrible, right? 00:16:51.455 --> 00:16:55.605 So it's like, you don't need to be kidnapped, whatever, you know? 00:16:55.605 --> 00:16:57.145 And I think dogs are the same. 00:16:57.325 --> 00:17:01.415 They can be like, you know, ripped away from their mother, like a bit too early. 00:17:01.415 --> 00:17:03.735 And they kind of, you know, and that can be traumatizing. 00:17:03.975 --> 00:17:08.045 And a rescued or street dog might go, I'm doing just fine in the street. 00:17:08.595 --> 00:17:11.125 So, you know, so it's like, it isn't that. 00:17:11.475 --> 00:17:16.895 It's literally like there is no causal relationship between here's the 00:17:16.895 --> 00:17:18.345 circumstance and here's the trauma. 00:17:18.375 --> 00:17:22.435 So there's a correlation obviously, you know, but it isn't cause and effect. 00:17:22.445 --> 00:17:25.945 So I think it isn't, you know, like your rescue dog. 00:17:25.985 --> 00:17:29.765 And I, I remember I had somebody, uh, I don't know whether you've got that. 00:17:31.045 --> 00:17:34.515 This whole yellow, you know, the whole yellow thing about like your 00:17:34.745 --> 00:17:37.845 dog's wearing something yellow, which basically indicates to 00:17:37.845 --> 00:17:39.205 like, my dog needs some space. 00:17:39.645 --> 00:17:43.895 Basically my dog can't handle, you know, it's kind of, I haven't heard 00:17:44.205 --> 00:17:44.635 Krista: of that. 00:17:44.645 --> 00:17:45.485 Great idea. 00:17:45.525 --> 00:17:45.725 It's 00:17:45.725 --> 00:17:46.665 Anke: a, it's a whole project. 00:17:46.665 --> 00:17:48.515 It's very big in the UK, I think. 00:17:48.515 --> 00:17:49.835 And I, I knew about it. 00:17:50.215 --> 00:17:53.975 So, you know, and apparently, and the lady who was really 00:17:54.115 --> 00:17:55.625 pushing the thing in the UK. 00:17:56.460 --> 00:18:00.290 It was because of her own dog, you know, who can't handle, like, it's 00:18:00.290 --> 00:18:03.770 super fluffy, super cute, so anybody's like, oh my god, and he just bites. 00:18:04.500 --> 00:18:06.370 Like, he just does not like it, you know. 00:18:06.710 --> 00:18:10.810 And he's really reactive to other dogs, other people, like, real sort of, you 00:18:10.810 --> 00:18:15.710 know, he's from a breeder, he had no, no bad, like, you know, so it's not, 00:18:16.110 --> 00:18:21.310 it's not, um, I think that would be a big, big if people realized that. 00:18:22.050 --> 00:18:24.100 No, just because they come. 00:18:24.560 --> 00:18:28.290 And also sometimes it's like an owner dies or it's like they haven't done anything 00:18:28.320 --> 00:18:31.630 horrible to be in a shelter, you know, so. 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:31.930 No, 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.750 Krista: I mean, a lot of times there's, I mean, we have purebreds 00:18:34.780 --> 00:18:36.480 that we have in the shelter too. 00:18:36.490 --> 00:18:39.740 I mean, and, or we're guessing they are based on, you know, how they look. 00:18:39.780 --> 00:18:46.125 But, um, It's also really interesting, too, to think how many times 00:18:46.165 --> 00:18:48.615 people were the worst for animals. 00:18:48.655 --> 00:18:51.835 And what I mean by that is, my husband made the comment, because 00:18:51.865 --> 00:18:55.125 we used to always have our dog when we'd go walking and say, Oh, there's 00:18:55.125 --> 00:18:56.195 another person with their dog. 00:18:56.195 --> 00:18:57.875 Do our dogs want to say hi? 00:18:58.295 --> 00:19:03.335 What a stupid thing, he pointed out, because as a human, I don't want to go up 00:19:03.335 --> 00:19:04.985 and say hi to every person on the street. 00:19:04.985 --> 00:19:08.955 Why in the world would I assume my dog wants to say hi to their dog? 00:19:09.405 --> 00:19:14.195 And, you know, I mean, how stupid, but yet we do that and we put 00:19:14.195 --> 00:19:18.125 them in face to face, which is actually an aggressive approach. 00:19:19.620 --> 00:19:21.390 Anke: That's the other, that's the other angle. 00:19:21.390 --> 00:19:22.990 That's the other approach to it. 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:27.680 It's almost to say, well, if people were, because like, what, like, unless 00:19:27.790 --> 00:19:32.190 somebody dies or some, you know, like a lot of people give up their dogs 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:33.730 because they just can't handle the dog. 00:19:33.990 --> 00:19:35.810 So there's just some stuff like they can't get. 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:41.500 So where it's like, well, what if we could educate, starting with children, 00:19:42.340 --> 00:19:47.610 educate people better to read body language, to understand how dogs actually 00:19:47.610 --> 00:19:52.370 function so that less people find like, Oh my God, I can't handle this dog. 00:19:52.925 --> 00:19:58.825 So I think, well, that would be a big start, too, you know? 00:19:59.065 --> 00:20:00.735 Krista: That would be a huge piece. 00:20:00.755 --> 00:20:04.225 And even understanding, like, part of the education campaign I was mapping out 00:20:04.245 --> 00:20:08.705 included teaching about the importance of spay and neuter for health benefits. 00:20:09.005 --> 00:20:12.225 And it also makes both females and males less aggressive. 00:20:12.415 --> 00:20:16.875 I mean, so we lessen the likelihood of dog fights, dog bites, plus 00:20:17.475 --> 00:20:20.235 unnecessary extra animals, too. 00:20:20.235 --> 00:20:25.790 I mean, so it was like I do believe the hugest starting point, I think most humans 00:20:25.790 --> 00:20:27.870 have a good heart and want to do right. 00:20:28.180 --> 00:20:32.250 They just don't have the education or the access to be able to do better and so 00:20:32.250 --> 00:20:36.870 it's up to us to find ways to, you know, start a thing like this lady in the UK. 00:20:36.870 --> 00:20:38.980 I love that yellow bandana. 00:20:38.980 --> 00:20:39.460 I'll send you the 00:20:39.460 --> 00:20:40.150 Anke: link to it. 00:20:40.430 --> 00:20:41.860 Please do because I would love 00:20:41.860 --> 00:20:43.940 Krista: to see that and maybe it's taken off here in the U. 00:20:43.940 --> 00:20:44.120 S. 00:20:44.120 --> 00:20:49.615 and I've just, Not seen it, but, but even for, you know, so many times when a person 00:20:49.625 --> 00:20:53.315 takes a foster dog home, we say they need at least two weeks to decompress. 00:20:53.685 --> 00:20:57.525 They've been in, you know, keep them away from other dogs, you know, even 00:20:57.525 --> 00:21:00.755 if you have pets, just, you know, do small introductions and people usually 00:21:00.755 --> 00:21:03.735 bring them home and they're like, we're having a party tomorrow and we're going 00:21:03.735 --> 00:21:07.365 to, and it's, you know, and I'm joking, hopefully they aren't really having a 00:21:07.365 --> 00:21:11.105 party, but it's like, they don't think about what the dog needs and how to set. 00:21:11.585 --> 00:21:15.605 But I, even if we tell them, you know, or they're like, We don't 00:21:15.605 --> 00:21:18.775 know if they get along with cats, and they put them immediately with 00:21:18.775 --> 00:21:20.275 cats, and then the cat gets attacked. 00:21:20.335 --> 00:21:21.565 It's, so I think 00:21:21.835 --> 00:21:22.825 Anke: It's crazy. 00:21:23.525 --> 00:21:24.095 It is. 00:21:24.135 --> 00:21:29.395 I think it is the education piece where I think it's more so than reducing, I mean 00:21:29.395 --> 00:21:33.705 obviously, you know, avoiding unwanted litters, while that makes sense, right? 00:21:33.980 --> 00:21:38.150 But I don't think almost like the amount of animals around isn't the problem. 00:21:38.190 --> 00:21:41.410 It's like people not knowing how, not having the environment and 00:21:41.420 --> 00:21:50.270 mostly not knowing how to make that, you know, co living successful. 00:21:50.710 --> 00:21:51.330 Krista: Yes. 00:21:52.120 --> 00:21:55.890 And you know, um, and I know we're, uh, just real quick, one other thing 00:21:55.890 --> 00:22:00.090 that I thought was really interesting to learn too is really, um, some of the 00:22:00.090 --> 00:22:05.140 individuals I interviewed spoke about how the humane society a lot of times in 00:22:05.140 --> 00:22:08.530 the United States for sure is looked at, oh, that's where I go and dump my dog 00:22:08.670 --> 00:22:12.580 kind of thing, or that's like, that's the place you take them if it doesn't work 00:22:12.580 --> 00:22:18.140 out, but instead to rebrand it in a way as this is a resource You know, maybe 00:22:18.140 --> 00:22:20.310 you go there for help with dog training. 00:22:20.350 --> 00:22:23.270 Maybe you're having financial challenges and they maybe have a 00:22:23.270 --> 00:22:25.450 program that could help with dog food. 00:22:25.770 --> 00:22:27.910 Or, you know, you got evicted. 00:22:28.210 --> 00:22:32.730 There was one that was like, the, it was something along pause, but it 00:22:32.730 --> 00:22:35.980 was like on pause, so that you could actually have a foster for your dog 00:22:35.980 --> 00:22:40.355 for a month if you lost your home and needed A place like that kind of stuff's 00:22:40.435 --> 00:22:40.635 Anke: brilliant. 00:22:40.795 --> 00:22:41.195 I love that. 00:22:41.335 --> 00:22:41.555 Oh 00:22:41.970 --> 00:22:42.300 Krista: yeah. 00:22:42.300 --> 00:22:46.350 And have it be more of a resource center versus, I'm just giving up, look at it 00:22:46.350 --> 00:22:48.420 as, okay, this is a lifetime commitment. 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:48.930 You know? 00:22:48.930 --> 00:22:51.600 Ideally people look that at their children that way too. 00:22:51.600 --> 00:22:55.380 And how do you know our child had whatever challenge? 00:22:55.410 --> 00:22:58.800 Okay, so we go solve the challenge versus just dumping it, you know? 00:22:58.800 --> 00:22:59.460 And maybe even. 00:22:59.710 --> 00:23:03.580 You know, shifting that way of thinking could really create big shifts too. 00:23:03.660 --> 00:23:04.800 Anke: Oh totally, totally. 00:23:05.370 --> 00:23:09.110 So to wrap up, where can people find out about you and 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:11.830 get in touch and support you? 00:23:12.410 --> 00:23:16.200 Krista: Yes, well thank you very much and of course I love just talking with you, 00:23:16.410 --> 00:23:21.410 we could do that all day but Um, on, you know, my website is unleashedproject. 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.240 com and you can find information there. 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:27.710 It's very basic information, but that's probably the easiest way through the 00:23:27.710 --> 00:23:32.310 contact form there just to reach out and that'll go directly to me and, 00:23:32.900 --> 00:23:38.010 and, you know, we can have whatever conversations about really helping to 00:23:38.030 --> 00:23:41.660 shift this, this consciousness and, and improve the education and the 00:23:41.660 --> 00:23:43.630 awareness so we can create bigger change. 00:23:45.105 --> 00:23:46.065 Anke: Thank you so much. 00:23:46.065 --> 00:23:48.195 And I can't wait to continue conversation with you. 00:23:49.445 --> 00:23:50.445 Krista: Yes, absolutely. 00:23:50.445 --> 00:23:52.255 I will have it to be continued. 00:23:52.695 --> 00:23:53.135 Awesome. 00:23:53.515 --> 00:23:54.025 Thank you. 00:23:54.525 --> 00:23:55.485 Thank you so much. 00:23:56.738 --> 00:23:57.968 Thanks so much for listening. 00:23:58.488 --> 00:24:02.788 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:24:02.888 --> 00:24:04.668 other dog lovers can find the show. 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