WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:10.520 I'm Travis Bader and this is The 00:00:10.520 --> 00:00:11.690 Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:13.310 --> 00:00:15.170 Join me as I discuss matters related to 00:00:15.170 --> 00:00:17.210 hunting, fishing, and outdoor pursuits 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:19.420 with the people in businesses that comprise 00:00:19.420 --> 00:00:20.100 of the community. 00:00:20.895 --> 00:00:22.785 If you're new to Silvercore, be sure to 00:00:22.785 --> 00:00:26.575 check out our website, www.Silvercore.ca where 00:00:26.744 --> 00:00:29.325 you can learn more about courses, services, and 00:00:29.325 --> 00:00:31.515 products that we offer, as well as how you can 00:00:31.515 --> 00:00:33.825 join The Silvercore Club, which includes 10 00:00:33.825 --> 00:00:36.285 million in North America, wide liability insurance 00:00:36.585 --> 00:00:38.625 to ensure you are properly covered during 00:00:38.625 --> 00:00:39.735 your outdoor ventures. 00:00:43.065 --> 00:00:45.105 Before I get rolling, I want to let everyone 00:00:45.105 --> 00:00:47.755 in on an exciting new website that Silvercore 00:00:47.775 --> 00:00:50.264 is involved with called AnchoredOutdoors.com. 00:00:51.515 --> 00:00:54.004 If you like hunting, fishing, foraging, 00:00:54.035 --> 00:00:57.214 cooking, homesteading, etc, you will love 00:00:57.345 --> 00:01:00.185 AnchoredOutdoors.com I highly encourage 00:01:00.185 --> 00:01:00.905 you to check it out. 00:01:01.055 --> 00:01:01.985 You won't regret it. 00:01:04.235 --> 00:01:06.634 This is a special episode where I sit down with 00:01:06.634 --> 00:01:09.335 Jens Cuthbert and Dennis Zentner, two extremely 00:01:09.335 --> 00:01:11.585 passionate ambassadors for hunting and fishing. 00:01:11.935 --> 00:01:14.485 And we discuss tips and tricks, ethics 00:01:14.515 --> 00:01:17.065 and local knowledge, and in particular how 00:01:17.065 --> 00:01:19.075 to be successful when waterfowl hunting. 00:01:20.515 --> 00:01:22.765 These two are pros of what they do, and you'll 00:01:22.765 --> 00:01:25.105 have the opportunity to literally experience 00:01:25.105 --> 00:01:26.965 what it's like to be a local sitting at the 00:01:26.965 --> 00:01:29.725 counter of Stillwater Sports, a small town 00:01:29.725 --> 00:01:32.095 sporting goods store situated in Ladner, BC. 00:01:35.185 --> 00:01:36.565 Sitting down with Dennis Zentner 00:01:36.565 --> 00:01:37.435 and Jens Cuthbert. 00:01:37.645 --> 00:01:39.535 Dennis is a former commercial fishermen. 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.060 He's a current president of the Vancouver Rod 00:01:42.060 --> 00:01:44.080 and Gun Club, he's a past president 00:01:44.080 --> 00:01:46.160 of region 2 BCWF. 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:48.670 He's an avid hunter and angler who I met as we 00:01:48.670 --> 00:01:50.710 both sit on the hunting advisory committee for 00:01:50.710 --> 00:01:53.470 the city and having shot beside him in Fort St. 00:01:53.470 --> 00:01:55.480 John, I can attest, he's a heck of a good 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:56.290 shot in his own right. 00:01:56.860 --> 00:01:57.580 Welcome, Dennis. 00:01:57.850 --> 00:01:58.330 Thank you. 00:01:58.330 --> 00:01:58.990 Welcome, Dennis. 00:01:59.710 --> 00:02:01.270 I've also got Jen's Cuthbert now. 00:02:01.270 --> 00:02:03.340 Jen's has worked as a hunting guide in the 00:02:03.340 --> 00:02:04.180 States in the past. 00:02:04.510 --> 00:02:07.210 I know Jen's as a person who lives to hunt. 00:02:07.740 --> 00:02:09.480 If you haven't seen his Instagram feed, 00:02:09.480 --> 00:02:12.250 make sure to check that out, it's 604Backwoods. 00:02:12.250 --> 00:02:14.820 He's got over 17,000 followers on there, it's 00:02:14.820 --> 00:02:15.930 got some great content. 00:02:16.260 --> 00:02:18.390 He's sponsored and endorsed by Drake 00:02:18.390 --> 00:02:21.150 Waterfowl and dive bomb industries and currently 00:02:21.150 --> 00:02:22.780 works a couple of doors down for the Silvercore 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.650 head office, working at the local gun store and 00:02:25.650 --> 00:02:27.240 Ladner Stillwater sports. 00:02:27.450 --> 00:02:28.230 Welcome Jens. 00:02:28.470 --> 00:02:28.970 Thanks Trav. 00:02:28.990 --> 00:02:29.970 Thanks for having me here, bud. 00:02:30.150 --> 00:02:32.100 So I figured we'll kind of get things 00:02:32.100 --> 00:02:33.690 rolling here and get a little, a little bit of 00:02:33.690 --> 00:02:34.870 background on you two. 00:02:35.350 --> 00:02:36.549 Why don't we start with you, Dennis? 00:02:36.609 --> 00:02:37.109 Sure. 00:02:37.119 --> 00:02:39.070 Commercial fishing, you did that for awhile. 00:02:39.640 --> 00:02:39.730 Yeah. 00:02:39.730 --> 00:02:41.709 I started when I was in high school and I got 00:02:41.709 --> 00:02:44.140 the opportunity to work on a stain boat for one 00:02:44.140 --> 00:02:45.130 of the local families. 00:02:45.810 --> 00:02:48.079 Worked with that for a few years and then what 00:02:48.079 --> 00:02:50.060 got into the gill netting side of it and I got to 00:02:50.060 --> 00:02:51.059 do some gill netting. 00:02:51.679 --> 00:02:53.929 So I got to work up and down the coast and 00:02:54.130 --> 00:02:57.040 thought it was a, a really good opportunity 00:02:57.040 --> 00:02:59.589 to see what the coast of British Columbia had. 00:03:00.079 --> 00:03:03.890 We went all the way from, say, Bella Bella, 00:03:04.484 --> 00:03:07.545 down all the way back down to the border here. 00:03:08.155 --> 00:03:11.250 And so I got to see some pretty neat spots 00:03:11.250 --> 00:03:12.000 of British Columbia. 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:12.840 Very cool. 00:03:12.930 --> 00:03:14.040 How long did you do that for? 00:03:14.820 --> 00:03:16.920 Bout six years total. 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:18.900 So you've, you've got some chops? 00:03:19.410 --> 00:03:20.850 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 00:03:20.850 --> 00:03:22.980 How good were you on the boat when the 00:03:23.270 --> 00:03:24.060 sea's were rough. 00:03:24.380 --> 00:03:26.519 You know, in all those years, I only got 00:03:26.540 --> 00:03:28.519 ever got a little bit green in the gills 00:03:28.640 --> 00:03:29.600 at the sand heads. 00:03:29.809 --> 00:03:30.200 Really? 00:03:30.200 --> 00:03:30.440 Yeah. 00:03:30.440 --> 00:03:32.119 I don't know all the places to be on the coast 00:03:32.119 --> 00:03:34.730 to think it was probably the roughest spot I was. 00:03:34.880 --> 00:03:36.679 The only spot I ever felt a little bit 00:03:36.679 --> 00:03:37.519 green in the gills. 00:03:38.059 --> 00:03:38.959 Pretty gnarly there. 00:03:39.140 --> 00:03:39.600 Yeah. 00:03:39.600 --> 00:03:40.100 Yeah. 00:03:40.365 --> 00:03:42.615 The sandheads was the reason I had to get a 00:03:42.615 --> 00:03:43.755 larger motor on my boat. 00:03:45.105 --> 00:03:47.415 Yeah, we've been out there in tin boats 00:03:47.415 --> 00:03:49.875 before nine nines and 12 footers. 00:03:49.905 --> 00:03:51.045 I did it this year alone. 00:03:51.125 --> 00:03:53.535 I had my little 15 footer and my and my 00:03:53.535 --> 00:03:55.755 40 horse out there just cause my big boat was 00:03:55.815 --> 00:03:57.165 in use at the time so. 00:03:57.225 --> 00:03:58.665 Yeah, uncle Jack's got you beat. 00:03:58.665 --> 00:04:00.645 He's always out there around the green can 00:04:00.645 --> 00:04:02.685 there and is nine nine and 12 footer. 00:04:02.955 --> 00:04:03.855 I don't know how he does it. 00:04:03.855 --> 00:04:05.274 Diehards, diehards. 00:04:05.274 --> 00:04:06.114 Hardcore. 00:04:06.405 --> 00:04:08.905 And Jens, commercial guiding, can you tell 00:04:08.905 --> 00:04:09.625 me a bit about that? 00:04:10.325 --> 00:04:13.305 Ahh, well just like everything else, 00:04:13.305 --> 00:04:14.775 it's a once in a lifetime opportunity. 00:04:14.775 --> 00:04:16.635 I had a couple buddies that had a guide service 00:04:16.635 --> 00:04:18.344 there when I was down in the States for 00:04:18.344 --> 00:04:20.157 college baseball, and then the summer months 00:04:20.157 --> 00:04:22.155 or the spring months I used to go and help 00:04:22.155 --> 00:04:23.795 him out and his guide service and that's what 00:04:23.795 --> 00:04:26.235 kinda really put me on to chasing birds. 00:04:26.235 --> 00:04:28.520 I mean, I always did it since I was a kid. 00:04:28.520 --> 00:04:31.820 But really seeing how much the sport demands 00:04:31.820 --> 00:04:33.770 and how much time, how much effort it takes 00:04:33.770 --> 00:04:34.940 to get up every day. 00:04:34.940 --> 00:04:37.480 And, and you know, you're getting paid to do that 00:04:37.540 --> 00:04:39.430 instead of just going out there leisurely, you 00:04:39.440 --> 00:04:41.740 got a little bit more extra to put onto it so. 00:04:42.010 --> 00:04:43.300 You say that's something you've done all your 00:04:43.300 --> 00:04:45.580 life, just being out there chasing birds? 00:04:46.010 --> 00:04:48.080 You know what, people think I'm crazy, but you 00:04:48.080 --> 00:04:50.210 know, I'll be sitting on the beach in Hawaii and 00:04:50.210 --> 00:04:51.620 there'll be like, what are you thinking about? 00:04:51.620 --> 00:04:53.265 And that's all I'm really thinking 00:04:53.265 --> 00:04:54.104 about is the birds. 00:04:54.195 --> 00:04:55.934 Birds and what they're doing and how they're 00:04:55.934 --> 00:04:58.465 doing it and where they are and how everybody 00:04:58.465 --> 00:04:59.575 else is doing too, so. 00:04:59.635 --> 00:05:00.835 I don't think that's that crazy. 00:05:00.895 --> 00:05:02.184 Yeah, exactly. 00:05:02.424 --> 00:05:04.104 One, one fallower to the next, right. 00:05:04.104 --> 00:05:04.525 Yeah. 00:05:04.525 --> 00:05:05.304 That's how you learn. 00:05:05.364 --> 00:05:06.585 That's how you learn what they do. 00:05:06.675 --> 00:05:07.175 Yeah. 00:05:07.895 --> 00:05:08.534 Pay attention. 00:05:08.635 --> 00:05:10.344 Lots of people got addictions, mines, 00:05:10.344 --> 00:05:12.094 mines hunting or mines just being out there. 00:05:12.254 --> 00:05:12.494 Yeah. 00:05:12.494 --> 00:05:14.965 Especially with company, good company or my 00:05:14.965 --> 00:05:17.734 dog or anything like that, with you Trav, 00:05:17.755 --> 00:05:18.505 with anybody right? 00:05:19.224 --> 00:05:22.135 So Cuthbert yeah, there's a BBC article 00:05:22.135 --> 00:05:23.485 and they're talking about this Cuthbert. 00:05:23.975 --> 00:05:27.945 And he instituted the first local laws 00:05:28.005 --> 00:05:29.594 for bird protection. 00:05:30.015 --> 00:05:30.525 I did not. 00:05:30.525 --> 00:05:31.305 I didn't know that. 00:05:31.335 --> 00:05:34.685 So the eider duck, I guess there is a, an 00:05:34.685 --> 00:05:38.610 area off the UK and this guy by the name of Saint 00:05:38.610 --> 00:05:40.545 Cuthbert goes over there and he sees people are 00:05:40.545 --> 00:05:42.465 eating the eider ducks and eating their eggs. 00:05:42.465 --> 00:05:45.885 And so he implemented the first bird laws in 00:05:45.885 --> 00:05:49.085 the world, and it was about 86 or 875, 80. 00:05:49.405 --> 00:05:52.255 And they've got a named the duck after him, they 00:05:52.255 --> 00:05:54.765 call it the Cuddy duck or the St Cuthbert duck. 00:05:54.765 --> 00:05:55.155 Cool. 00:05:55.155 --> 00:05:56.965 So anyways, I thought it was interesting 00:05:56.965 --> 00:05:59.155 that birding is so in your blood. 00:05:59.810 --> 00:06:00.450 And 00:06:00.610 --> 00:06:01.630 Must be related. 00:06:01.710 --> 00:06:02.400 It's gotta be. 00:06:02.549 --> 00:06:03.630 Neat little side note. 00:06:03.630 --> 00:06:04.560 I mean, that's good that he's 00:06:04.989 --> 00:06:06.000 protecting the birds. 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:07.679 I don't know, we like to harvest the birds, 00:06:07.679 --> 00:06:09.659 but at the same time we like to do our part in 00:06:09.659 --> 00:06:13.140 conservation, whether it's donating to the 00:06:13.140 --> 00:06:16.979 local clubs or helping the farmers or down 00:06:16.979 --> 00:06:18.780 at the DU sanctuary, anything right? 00:06:18.780 --> 00:06:20.130 Or the rifle sanctuary. 00:06:20.620 --> 00:06:23.440 Do your best and volunteer and more 00:06:23.440 --> 00:06:25.659 about than just killing the bird and eating it 00:06:25.659 --> 00:06:26.440 and stuff like that. 00:06:26.440 --> 00:06:28.650 It's a about having a secure future for 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.130 the up and comer guys that are going to get 00:06:31.130 --> 00:06:32.000 into the sport too. 00:06:32.200 --> 00:06:33.580 Well, well, let's talk about the up and 00:06:33.580 --> 00:06:37.300 comers, because I look at you guys as sort of 00:06:37.770 --> 00:06:40.440 the old boys, the old school club, the the 00:06:40.440 --> 00:06:42.800 old guard in Ladner. 00:06:42.830 --> 00:06:46.820 Now, Ladner has a very prolific hunting and 00:06:46.820 --> 00:06:47.870 fishing community. 00:06:48.615 --> 00:06:50.895 And a lot of people grew up around 00:06:50.925 --> 00:06:52.125 hunting and fishing. 00:06:52.465 --> 00:06:56.094 They grew up on the ranges, they know the 00:06:56.094 --> 00:06:57.925 rules, they know the etiquette, they know 00:06:57.925 --> 00:06:58.765 how to get into it. 00:06:59.575 --> 00:07:01.255 But there's a lot of people who are 00:07:01.284 --> 00:07:03.385 looking to get into the sport that don't 00:07:03.385 --> 00:07:04.315 know this etiquette. 00:07:04.465 --> 00:07:06.025 They don't know what they're doing out there. 00:07:06.565 --> 00:07:10.265 And I have to imagine working in a gun store, 00:07:10.325 --> 00:07:12.575 there's going to be some sort of a weird dichotomy 00:07:12.575 --> 00:07:15.365 between, you want to see more hunters out there. 00:07:15.395 --> 00:07:17.344 You want to see people getting into the sport. 00:07:19.615 --> 00:07:22.475 Just not, not in your hunting spot. 00:07:22.925 --> 00:07:24.844 I don't want to see people coming into my 00:07:24.844 --> 00:07:27.675 hunting spot perhaps if they're not doing things 00:07:27.675 --> 00:07:30.675 properly, if they're not showing proper etiquette, 00:07:30.975 --> 00:07:35.565 if they're, obviously being unsafe, but a lot 00:07:35.565 --> 00:07:37.185 of new guys out there, they just don't know it. 00:07:37.675 --> 00:07:38.175 That's right. 00:07:38.784 --> 00:07:39.205 Yeah. 00:07:39.205 --> 00:07:40.585 I think we've all seen it, 00:07:40.735 --> 00:07:43.675 I think, I think that goes to say for a lot of 00:07:43.675 --> 00:07:46.335 things in life I mean, you come to, come to 00:07:46.335 --> 00:07:48.795 the ice rink and you'd never played hockey 00:07:48.795 --> 00:07:52.075 before and I don't know a that you got to shower 00:07:52.075 --> 00:07:53.745 with the boys after or something like that. 00:07:53.745 --> 00:07:54.355 Sure. You know what I mean? 00:07:54.355 --> 00:07:58.085 Like it's something to do with getting to know, 00:07:58.085 --> 00:08:00.035 stepping in the ring, getting to know the ropes 00:08:00.035 --> 00:08:00.845 and stuff like that. 00:08:01.385 --> 00:08:03.455 And it can be intimidating, but I 00:08:03.455 --> 00:08:06.595 mean, if you got a decent friend group and guys 00:08:06.595 --> 00:08:08.335 around you and stuff like that and good general 00:08:08.335 --> 00:08:11.094 public awareness and stuff, then, then you 00:08:11.094 --> 00:08:11.890 start to pick it up. 00:08:12.210 --> 00:08:12.600 Right. 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:13.100 Better. 00:08:13.410 --> 00:08:15.660 So I see people who have decent friend 00:08:15.660 --> 00:08:17.520 groups, but none of their friends are into 00:08:17.520 --> 00:08:18.720 hunting or into fishing. 00:08:19.470 --> 00:08:22.410 I remember when I moved to Ladner, course 00:08:22.440 --> 00:08:25.170 every odd year we've got the pink settle 00:08:25.170 --> 00:08:27.120 run up the Fraser, and I was super excited 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:29.700 to go out and just be able to fish off the 00:08:29.700 --> 00:08:30.960 shore here real close. 00:08:30.960 --> 00:08:33.615 This is before I had a boat, and I watched a 00:08:33.615 --> 00:08:36.885 fellow and he's casting out and then you see him 00:08:37.554 --> 00:08:41.025 reel reel reel, yank, reel reel reel, yank. 00:08:41.645 --> 00:08:44.335 And I look over at him, said what are you doing? 00:08:44.395 --> 00:08:45.835 Said well this is how you're supposed to 00:08:45.835 --> 00:08:47.575 fish for them, somebody else showed me how to 00:08:47.575 --> 00:08:48.955 do this when I came here and he was being 00:08:48.955 --> 00:08:49.844 pretty successful. 00:08:50.464 --> 00:08:52.045 Said, well, you know, you're not supposed to 00:08:52.045 --> 00:08:53.845 foul hook them, like that's against the law. 00:08:53.945 --> 00:08:54.045 Yeah. 00:08:54.045 --> 00:08:54.925 He's like what do you mean. 00:08:54.925 --> 00:08:56.455 I said well, what you're doing, they 00:08:56.455 --> 00:08:57.295 call that snagging. 00:08:58.535 --> 00:08:59.245 He had no idea. 00:08:59.785 --> 00:09:01.165 That's the Fraser River twitch. 00:09:01.444 --> 00:09:03.204 Exactly. 00:09:03.485 --> 00:09:06.465 That's what they call the Fraser River twitch 00:09:06.465 --> 00:09:08.955 or, yeah, everyone calls it that, I guess. 00:09:08.955 --> 00:09:09.455 Yeah. 00:09:10.525 --> 00:09:12.645 I think, I think what that boils down to is 00:09:12.675 --> 00:09:17.055 ,they maybe didn't have a, a mentor or a uncle 00:09:17.055 --> 00:09:19.724 or a granddad or father that, that, that took 00:09:19.724 --> 00:09:22.675 them out and showed them the the proper way. 00:09:23.045 --> 00:09:23.405 Right. 00:09:23.405 --> 00:09:25.854 They just went down to the river bank like you 00:09:25.854 --> 00:09:28.285 did travel, and then just kinda just watched 00:09:28.285 --> 00:09:30.354 what w w what some of the other fellows were 00:09:30.354 --> 00:09:32.440 doing and well, that doesn't look that hard. 00:09:32.460 --> 00:09:32.960 No. 00:09:33.020 --> 00:09:34.070 Kind of followed suit. 00:09:35.130 --> 00:09:37.290 Unbeknownst to him that he, he's 00:09:37.290 --> 00:09:38.250 not doing illegal. 00:09:38.400 --> 00:09:38.900 Right. 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.960 You know, he's, he's trying to foul hook with 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:43.110 that style of fishing. 00:09:43.180 --> 00:09:43.250 Yeah. 00:09:43.250 --> 00:09:46.910 And unfortunately, you know, some people 00:09:46.910 --> 00:09:48.680 get caught and fined because they're doing 00:09:48.680 --> 00:09:51.020 it wrong, and they're just like, well, I just 00:09:51.020 --> 00:09:52.700 learned from the guy down on the beach there. 00:09:53.189 --> 00:09:56.970 So luckily for myself and Jen's, we grew up 00:09:56.970 --> 00:10:00.470 with, with mentors that taught us the right way. 00:10:01.449 --> 00:10:03.360 So, you know, and I think that's part of 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.850 our job as, as hunters and fishers to see if 00:10:05.850 --> 00:10:08.030 you see something wrong, go, Hey man, like I 00:10:08.030 --> 00:10:10.220 think you're doing it a little bit backwards, 00:10:10.400 --> 00:10:11.180 let me help you out. 00:10:11.630 --> 00:10:13.430 Some guys will take you up on the offer 00:10:13.430 --> 00:10:15.360 and some will tell you to beat it, right? 00:10:15.930 --> 00:10:19.010 So hopefully the, you know, some of the people 00:10:19.010 --> 00:10:22.280 I've come across over the years doing things 00:10:22.775 --> 00:10:25.155 backwards, took it to heart, what we had to 00:10:25.155 --> 00:10:27.345 say, and started to do it the correct way, 00:10:27.555 --> 00:10:28.425 the more legal way. 00:10:28.695 --> 00:10:31.525 I think tim, times have kinda generally 00:10:31.525 --> 00:10:34.183 changed over the last couple of year. 00:10:34.365 --> 00:10:34.875 Evidently. 00:10:34.875 --> 00:10:36.975 Like this world is going so fast that, 00:10:37.215 --> 00:10:39.435 you know, back in maybe the eighties and early 00:10:39.435 --> 00:10:40.665 nineties and stuff like that, you're, 00:10:40.835 --> 00:10:43.425 you're calling us the Cavaliers of, of of 00:10:43.885 --> 00:10:45.625 this time of hunting and stuff like that. 00:10:45.625 --> 00:10:47.155 Dennis was there way before me, he was 00:10:47.155 --> 00:10:48.835 there when dinosaurs roamed the earth 00:10:48.835 --> 00:10:49.495 and stuff like that. 00:10:51.555 --> 00:10:54.195 I got a little bit of of everybody by growing 00:10:54.195 --> 00:10:58.485 up, but I think people's time is, is so important 00:10:58.485 --> 00:11:01.055 to them that a lot of the time that they 00:11:01.075 --> 00:11:02.815 don't take the time to show other people how 00:11:02.815 --> 00:11:03.805 to do it or they don't. 00:11:04.045 --> 00:11:05.905 They don't have the time to do it, whether 00:11:05.905 --> 00:11:08.875 it's someone's dad or grandpa or a big brother 00:11:08.875 --> 00:11:09.685 or something like that. 00:11:09.685 --> 00:11:12.030 It's just, these days and age, the world's 00:11:12.030 --> 00:11:14.490 moving so fast that you gotta try and keep up. 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.560 And I mean, let's face it, hunting and fishing 00:11:18.560 --> 00:11:21.300 is not looked at the same these days and 00:11:21.300 --> 00:11:23.718 age as it was back in the eighties or the 00:11:23.718 --> 00:11:25.800 nineties, how important it was to the lifestyle 00:11:25.800 --> 00:11:26.670 of the people now. 00:11:26.880 --> 00:11:27.360 Right. 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:27.720 Right. 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.050 So, I mean, back in the eighties and nineties you 00:11:30.050 --> 00:11:31.490 didn't have social media. 00:11:31.490 --> 00:11:33.350 You didn't have, you didn't even have cell 00:11:33.350 --> 00:11:34.160 phones back then. 00:11:34.160 --> 00:11:37.470 You had to go run down three blocks to knock 00:11:37.470 --> 00:11:38.910 on your neighbor's door to say, Hey, Tommy, 00:11:38.910 --> 00:11:40.320 you want to go down there and fish down to 00:11:40.330 --> 00:11:41.790 the river or something like that, right? 00:11:41.790 --> 00:11:44.360 So I think anyone who wants to join anything 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.760 like fishing, hiking, outdoor or anything like 00:11:46.760 --> 00:11:49.590 that too, you obviously get into it by having 00:11:49.590 --> 00:11:51.690 someone there with you and hopefully they guide 00:11:51.690 --> 00:11:52.590 you down the right way. 00:11:52.660 --> 00:11:54.210 It's whether or not they've been taught 00:11:54.210 --> 00:11:55.140 the right way so. 00:11:55.500 --> 00:11:57.720 Like Dennis says, we're just lucky that we grew 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:02.395 up with different family friends and, and dads and 00:12:02.395 --> 00:12:04.575 brothers that all kind of grew up in the same 00:12:04.755 --> 00:12:06.305 era as us too right so. 00:12:06.695 --> 00:12:09.365 Well with the social media, I see people 00:12:09.515 --> 00:12:12.125 even just locally here posting up on Facebook 00:12:12.125 --> 00:12:13.445 saying, Hey, I want to, I want to get 00:12:13.445 --> 00:12:15.485 into hunting, somebody want to take me on and 00:12:15.485 --> 00:12:16.355 show me some spots? 00:12:17.605 --> 00:12:19.945 And would you guys say that's a good way 00:12:19.945 --> 00:12:20.875 to approach it or. 00:12:21.205 --> 00:12:23.575 I don't, I, I think it, yeah, I think it's 00:12:23.575 --> 00:12:25.405 putting your neck out there, but I mean, 00:12:25.735 --> 00:12:27.564 these days and age you kinda got to do that. 00:12:27.564 --> 00:12:31.155 But, you got to think logically behind it. 00:12:31.165 --> 00:12:32.474 No guy's gonna really give up 00:12:32.474 --> 00:12:33.555 his honey hole or. 00:12:33.555 --> 00:12:34.375 Right. 00:12:34.755 --> 00:12:37.214 No guy's really going to show you the proper way. 00:12:37.214 --> 00:12:39.074 A lot of the things, you can't be spoonfed. 00:12:39.074 --> 00:12:41.025 You gotta go out there and grind it yourself 00:12:41.025 --> 00:12:42.675 and kind of figure out a way and then 00:12:43.645 --> 00:12:45.145 surround yourself with good people too. 00:12:45.584 --> 00:12:47.685 So where would you say a good first step for 00:12:47.685 --> 00:12:50.415 somebody, eh, let's just look in the Lower 00:12:50.415 --> 00:12:53.225 Mainland and, and talking about bird hunting. 00:12:53.695 --> 00:12:55.645 What'd be a good first step if somebody really 00:12:55.645 --> 00:12:57.175 wanted to, they've, they've gone through 00:12:57.175 --> 00:12:58.525 their training, they've done their hunter 00:12:58.525 --> 00:13:00.385 education, they've gotten themselves licensed. 00:13:00.385 --> 00:13:03.315 They got their FWID, should they join a- 00:13:03.525 --> 00:13:05.415 I would say talk to one of the local gun clubs, 00:13:06.205 --> 00:13:08.550 you know, whether it's Pitt Meadows or Delta 00:13:08.550 --> 00:13:10.965 Ladner or, I mean, even Vancouver Club, 00:13:11.015 --> 00:13:12.285 I mean we're more of a trap club but there's 00:13:12.285 --> 00:13:13.455 lots of hunters there. 00:13:14.075 --> 00:13:16.395 Ridgedale, Abbotsford, all the clubs, all, all 00:13:16.395 --> 00:13:18.585 through the Valley or you know even in the North, 00:13:18.885 --> 00:13:20.535 there's water fowlers all through the province. 00:13:20.535 --> 00:13:23.564 But a good first step would be to 00:13:23.594 --> 00:13:24.505 go to the club. 00:13:25.324 --> 00:13:28.224 You know, join, ask some questions, maybe 00:13:28.224 --> 00:13:29.935 one of those guys will mentor you. 00:13:30.415 --> 00:13:32.094 I don't have a problem taking a guy under 00:13:32.094 --> 00:13:33.594 my wing and showing them, showing them the 00:13:33.594 --> 00:13:35.755 ropes on how to fish and hunt and whatnot. 00:13:36.055 --> 00:13:37.584 But like Jen says, you're not really going to 00:13:37.584 --> 00:13:40.165 take them to your, your top secret spot because 00:13:40.615 --> 00:13:41.724 we've been stung before. 00:13:41.724 --> 00:13:43.015 You take a guy there and then. 00:13:43.415 --> 00:13:45.065 Oh, Hey, this is kind of my spot, keep it 00:13:45.065 --> 00:13:46.715 under your hat to keep it under wraps. 00:13:46.715 --> 00:13:48.335 And you go back and you know, a month later, or 00:13:48.335 --> 00:13:50.845 even the next season, and here's this This fellow. 00:13:51.390 --> 00:13:53.280 Here's this fella in the exact same spot 00:13:53.280 --> 00:13:55.500 you took him with his buddy or two buddies 00:13:55.500 --> 00:13:57.180 and all of a sudden, well, that spots ruin. 00:13:57.719 --> 00:14:00.060 And unfortunately with the way times are now 00:14:00.060 --> 00:14:03.449 with social media, it's ruined a lot of, 00:14:03.719 --> 00:14:04.890 a lot of good spots. 00:14:05.550 --> 00:14:07.410 You know, guy takes a photo and they recognize 00:14:07.410 --> 00:14:09.050 the background, oh I know where that is. 00:14:09.380 --> 00:14:11.250 Or they're on there and like Hey, I caught this 00:14:11.250 --> 00:14:13.610 big fish at, you know, such and such a lake and 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:15.680 all of a sudden you go back there and there's, 00:14:15.740 --> 00:14:17.270 it used to be you and maybe two or three 00:14:17.270 --> 00:14:19.460 other fishermen there, and all of a sudden you 00:14:19.460 --> 00:14:21.350 go there and there's 15 there now, right. 00:14:21.530 --> 00:14:23.180 And the guys don't even go out and look for 00:14:23.180 --> 00:14:24.770 the birds, they just look for the background 00:14:24.770 --> 00:14:26.390 in the social posts, that's all it is. 00:14:26.390 --> 00:14:28.230 It's called internet scoutin now Dennis. 00:14:28.470 --> 00:14:29.360 That's for sure. 00:14:29.380 --> 00:14:30.920 They don't go in their boat and go out and 00:14:30.920 --> 00:14:32.840 look for birds and they don't go out in the road 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:35.755 and put 200 clicks on there to the Valley and 00:14:35.755 --> 00:14:37.135 back and figure it out. 00:14:37.135 --> 00:14:38.635 Now guys just look for backgrounds 00:14:38.635 --> 00:14:40.105 and screenshots and stuff like that. 00:14:40.105 --> 00:14:42.455 Oh, and so you'd look at, look at some of 00:14:42.455 --> 00:14:44.905 Jen's photos of his birds, and he's a 00:14:44.905 --> 00:14:48.205 successful hunter and most of that is scouting. 00:14:48.205 --> 00:14:51.115 So step number one would be to join a club. 00:14:51.295 --> 00:14:54.245 Step number two is once you, think 00:14:54.265 --> 00:14:55.735 okay, I'm going to be a water fowler. 00:14:56.460 --> 00:14:58.260 One of the best things you can do is put 00:14:58.260 --> 00:15:00.600 miles in the truck, go scouting, find 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:02.790 the birds, and start banging on doors. 00:15:03.060 --> 00:15:05.010 The worst the farmer can say is, no, I'm sorry, 00:15:05.010 --> 00:15:06.540 I've already given permission, or there's no 00:15:06.540 --> 00:15:07.650 hunting on my property. 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:08.460 Right. 00:15:08.460 --> 00:15:10.770 You know, if there's, if there's a spot where, 00:15:11.010 --> 00:15:12.390 you know, if you've got a big chunk of 00:15:12.390 --> 00:15:13.800 property and he might've get already given 00:15:13.800 --> 00:15:16.020 permission to maybe two or three other fellows. 00:15:16.380 --> 00:15:17.699 Well, there's a couple of guys that hunt 00:15:17.699 --> 00:15:19.319 here, so as long as you can all get along, 00:15:19.319 --> 00:15:20.310 it won't be a problem. 00:15:21.060 --> 00:15:23.370 So, I mean, that's, that's the thing, people 00:15:23.370 --> 00:15:25.620 for some reason nowadays are scared to go and bang 00:15:25.620 --> 00:15:28.050 on a farmer's door and ask, ask for permission. 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:30.600 Well, yeah, no one, no one likes rejections. 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:32.900 I mean, I mean, going up to Cindy at the 00:15:32.900 --> 00:15:34.640 high school dance and asking her to dance 00:15:34.640 --> 00:15:36.530 and she snubbed you for, no, I mean, that's 00:15:36.530 --> 00:15:38.390 pretty tough one to get over, it's still in my 00:15:38.390 --> 00:15:39.510 grade 11 year right? 00:15:40.460 --> 00:15:40.960 But. 00:15:41.314 --> 00:15:43.385 Well I can, I can, I can tell ya. 00:15:43.385 --> 00:15:44.435 Yeah, I could tell you. 00:15:44.435 --> 00:15:46.985 I mean, I maybe go one for 10 on farmers' 00:15:46.985 --> 00:15:49.235 doors some, some years and sometimes you go 00:15:49.235 --> 00:15:50.314 10 for 10 on knocks. 00:15:50.314 --> 00:15:55.525 But I mean, you can, hunting is, either you're 00:15:55.525 --> 00:15:58.095 in or you're, you're kind of in or you're not in, 00:15:58.095 --> 00:15:58.765 you know what I mean? 00:15:58.765 --> 00:16:00.954 So, I mean, if you really want it that bad, you can 00:16:00.954 --> 00:16:02.125 make it happen that bad. 00:16:02.125 --> 00:16:02.785 I mean, you can. 00:16:03.620 --> 00:16:05.300 You can go as far as following guys out of 00:16:05.300 --> 00:16:08.100 the boat launch from the morning, you can go as 00:16:08.100 --> 00:16:10.790 far as picking out the most ugly guy at the 00:16:10.790 --> 00:16:12.320 boat launch and asking them where the ducks 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:13.460 are and stuff like that. 00:16:13.460 --> 00:16:16.350 But I mean, when I was young, we'd haul 00:16:16.380 --> 00:16:18.240 sacks of potatoes from the bar and all the 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:20.100 way out to the, the roadside, just for the 00:16:20.100 --> 00:16:22.480 farmer, just, just for a chance at permission 00:16:22.630 --> 00:16:24.220 and half the time he'd invite you in for a 00:16:24.220 --> 00:16:25.270 cup of tea and say no. 00:16:25.689 --> 00:16:26.189 Right. 00:16:26.290 --> 00:16:27.790 And then you just sit there and you'd been 00:16:27.790 --> 00:16:28.660 there, go home and cry. 00:16:28.660 --> 00:16:29.700 Yeah, exactly. 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:30.370 Been there. 00:16:30.660 --> 00:16:31.120 Yeah. 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:32.880 So I mean, what do you do? 00:16:32.880 --> 00:16:35.400 I mean, the best advice that I could 00:16:35.400 --> 00:16:37.830 say is, but boots on the ground go out and 00:16:37.830 --> 00:16:40.770 scout just, just in bird hunting in particular 00:16:40.770 --> 00:16:41.490 and stuff like that. 00:16:41.490 --> 00:16:43.290 But don't be afraid of rejection. 00:16:43.410 --> 00:16:46.060 Don't be too to upfront, to upcoming, you 00:16:46.060 --> 00:16:47.410 know, be respectful. 00:16:47.500 --> 00:16:50.440 Don't be too, too pushy or anything like that. 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:53.850 It'll come when it comes and, and just no when the 00:16:53.850 --> 00:16:55.010 right timing is to do it. 00:16:55.010 --> 00:16:57.040 I mean, you're going to go knock on a farmer's 00:16:57.040 --> 00:16:59.920 door at six o'clock at night and he's having 00:16:59.920 --> 00:17:01.510 dinner with his wife, he ain't going to give 00:17:01.510 --> 00:17:02.390 you permission right. 00:17:02.390 --> 00:17:03.190 Not gunna be happy. 00:17:03.250 --> 00:17:03.640 Right. 00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:05.230 Or you pull them off a tractor when he's 00:17:05.230 --> 00:17:06.870 seeding in the field, he ain't going to 00:17:06.870 --> 00:17:07.830 be too happy right. 00:17:07.830 --> 00:17:09.690 So, I mean, pick your spots, show 00:17:09.690 --> 00:17:10.440 up with a bottle. 00:17:10.980 --> 00:17:12.150 I dunno, that usually helps. 00:17:12.150 --> 00:17:13.800 You know what, I found that one works. 00:17:14.070 --> 00:17:15.360 Yeah, that works well. 00:17:15.360 --> 00:17:17.280 And I mean, I've, I've given away bottles 00:17:17.310 --> 00:17:19.130 even with no permission and come back the 00:17:19.130 --> 00:17:20.370 next year and they give you permission 00:17:20.370 --> 00:17:22.020 because they remember who you are right. 00:17:22.320 --> 00:17:23.610 Half the guys don't do that. 00:17:23.910 --> 00:17:26.760 The other thing I find, if you get permission 00:17:27.099 --> 00:17:29.560 or if you don't, it's good to go back and 00:17:29.590 --> 00:17:30.850 upkeep that relationship. 00:17:31.540 --> 00:17:33.340 But if you get permission, there's 00:17:33.429 --> 00:17:35.139 nothing stopping you from bringing another 00:17:35.139 --> 00:17:36.916 bottle again afterwards or at the end of the 00:17:36.916 --> 00:17:39.429 year and saying, Hey, thanks very much, for 00:17:39.939 --> 00:17:42.189 ensuring that you clean everything up that you 00:17:42.189 --> 00:17:43.330 bring onto that field. 00:17:43.860 --> 00:17:46.629 To reporting any anomalies you might 00:17:46.650 --> 00:17:48.960 see out there to the, to the landowner. 00:17:49.500 --> 00:17:51.990 I mean, there's a responsibility, I think, 00:17:52.050 --> 00:17:53.820 on the hunter that's going to be out there 00:17:53.820 --> 00:17:57.100 too, if they get that permission, to maintain 00:17:57.160 --> 00:17:58.120 that relationship. 00:17:58.260 --> 00:17:59.980 Well that's a bond that you start with the, with 00:17:59.980 --> 00:18:01.600 the landowner, when you get permission there, 00:18:01.600 --> 00:18:03.850 like you say Travis, you know, if you find 00:18:03.850 --> 00:18:05.710 something on the property that's not right. 00:18:05.790 --> 00:18:08.230 You know there's a tree across a fence, or a 00:18:08.230 --> 00:18:11.370 fence is down or, you no ditches sloughed 00:18:11.370 --> 00:18:13.440 in, or beavers made a dam or whatever. 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:15.060 If you go on and mention that to the farmer 00:18:15.060 --> 00:18:17.100 and then they'd be like, okay, this guy 00:18:17.100 --> 00:18:18.150 kind of understands. 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:18.690 Right. 00:18:18.690 --> 00:18:20.850 So you, you, you build a relationship with 00:18:20.850 --> 00:18:23.100 that farmer and then over the years it 00:18:23.100 --> 00:18:24.090 becomes more than that. 00:18:24.120 --> 00:18:25.860 Now, now all of a sudden you're, there, there's 00:18:25.860 --> 00:18:28.580 friendships involved and all sorts of things. 00:18:29.610 --> 00:18:32.004 And we've done it in the past where you, you bring 00:18:32.004 --> 00:18:34.135 them a piece of smoked salmon and a bottle, like 00:18:34.135 --> 00:18:37.405 you were saying, or even even offer him some of 00:18:37.405 --> 00:18:38.935 your, your harvest right. 00:18:39.564 --> 00:18:41.995 Like a well,old Dunkin Montgomery there, I 00:18:41.995 --> 00:18:44.064 mean, he always kind of enjoyed it if we're 00:18:44.064 --> 00:18:45.504 like, Hey, would you like a snow goose? 00:18:45.504 --> 00:18:47.284 Or, you know a brant or whatever. 00:18:47.284 --> 00:18:48.215 Pheasant, whatever. 00:18:48.264 --> 00:18:48.574 Yeah. 00:18:48.574 --> 00:18:50.455 You know, so you always, and quite often he 00:18:50.455 --> 00:18:51.885 would take you up on that offer and I'd go, 00:18:51.885 --> 00:18:52.735 how many do you want? 00:18:53.295 --> 00:18:54.495 Well, a two would be fine. 00:18:54.495 --> 00:18:56.625 So, you know, we'd either dress him up real 00:18:56.625 --> 00:18:58.755 quick for him, or he'd dress them himself and 00:18:58.755 --> 00:19:00.165 it's okay, just leave him in the feathers, 00:19:00.165 --> 00:19:00.825 I'll deal with it. 00:19:00.825 --> 00:19:03.585 But quite often we'd run back to the tailgate 00:19:03.585 --> 00:19:05.215 and dress the bird for him and hand him and his 00:19:05.235 --> 00:19:07.615 wife, you know, two big fat mallards or a couple 00:19:07.615 --> 00:19:08.595 snow geese or something. 00:19:08.595 --> 00:19:10.555 And you know, he was quite happy with that. 00:19:10.935 --> 00:19:13.985 And in that example, he's one of the harder farmers 00:19:13.985 --> 00:19:14.975 to get permission from. 00:19:15.005 --> 00:19:15.635 Nobody. 00:19:15.785 --> 00:19:16.145 Yeah. 00:19:16.145 --> 00:19:17.435 Yeah. Very few guys. 00:19:17.435 --> 00:19:17.495 Wow. 00:19:17.495 --> 00:19:19.745 I mean, and in my industry now I've, I'm 00:19:19.745 --> 00:19:23.735 in construction and when, when a Dunkin 00:19:23.735 --> 00:19:26.405 Montgomery was alive, I ditched all his ditches. 00:19:26.985 --> 00:19:27.485 Oh yeah. 00:19:27.614 --> 00:19:28.274 For him right. 00:19:28.335 --> 00:19:32.085 And you know, even, even, even doing that, he was 00:19:32.085 --> 00:19:34.455 a tough guy to please so. 00:19:35.085 --> 00:19:35.715 Yeah. 00:19:35.715 --> 00:19:37.334 That gave me some access by helpin him out. 00:19:37.334 --> 00:19:38.325 He was my potato story. 00:19:38.715 --> 00:19:39.675 Yeah, I knew all. 00:19:39.675 --> 00:19:40.915 Bring him a sac of potatoes and a cup of 00:19:41.195 --> 00:19:42.254 tea and he says no. 00:19:42.885 --> 00:19:43.245 Right. 00:19:43.245 --> 00:19:45.735 And, and even to this day, his son runs 00:19:45.735 --> 00:19:47.595 that same farm and it's not easy to get 00:19:47.595 --> 00:19:49.665 permission there,t here's a handful of guys. 00:19:49.965 --> 00:19:52.065 So you were saying, where does a guy go to 00:19:52.065 --> 00:19:53.145 kind of get started. 00:19:53.860 --> 00:19:56.350 Dunkin's farm in past years has been part of 00:19:56.350 --> 00:19:58.000 what they call associated wildlife preserves. 00:19:58.180 --> 00:19:58.510 Right. 00:19:58.510 --> 00:20:00.250 And it's a, it's an organization or a 00:20:00.250 --> 00:20:04.320 gun club that goes and secures farmland. 00:20:04.850 --> 00:20:07.920 You pay a, a handsome amount to become a member 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.020 of this organization and, but there's, 00:20:11.760 --> 00:20:13.440 there's private lands for you to hunt on. 00:20:13.810 --> 00:20:15.280 That's a good way to get started though. 00:20:15.310 --> 00:20:17.590 It costs a little bit of money, but you know what. 00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:21.620 If you start that, if you, if you pay what 00:20:21.630 --> 00:20:23.660 I think it's what, 800 bucks or whatever, 00:20:23.660 --> 00:20:25.760 1000 bucks, I'm not a part of the associated. 00:20:25.760 --> 00:20:27.880 I'm not, I don't do the wildlife, I'm part 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:31.280 of Westham Island, but associated as in 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:32.870 there's other different hunting clubs, you 00:20:32.870 --> 00:20:34.860 just got to dig a little bit to find out. 00:20:34.860 --> 00:20:38.200 But 800 bucks, I mea for water fallowing, 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:40.070 yeah it seems a lot to swallow at the start 00:20:40.070 --> 00:20:40.640 and stuff like that. 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:42.500 But you can go shoot pheasants, snow geese, 00:20:42.530 --> 00:20:45.430 ducks, all with land owner permission 00:20:45.430 --> 00:20:46.150 and stuff like that. 00:20:46.150 --> 00:20:47.770 And you have endless amounts from. 00:20:48.210 --> 00:20:48.840 From Ladner. 00:20:48.840 --> 00:20:49.990 Ladner all the way out to. 00:20:49.990 --> 00:20:50.440 Chilliwack. 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:51.730 Yeah, out to the Valley right. 00:20:51.730 --> 00:20:54.645 So, and that's, I don't know how many acres they 00:20:54.645 --> 00:20:56.925 got and they have their own club and there's 00:20:56.925 --> 00:20:59.115 lots of other clubs that have all different acres 00:20:59.115 --> 00:20:59.955 that you can join too. 00:20:59.955 --> 00:21:01.695 It's, I mean, that's one good way to get 00:21:01.695 --> 00:21:04.155 service and it's just like any other hobby. 00:21:04.155 --> 00:21:06.645 Water, water fallowing is, is a hobby and 00:21:06.645 --> 00:21:08.865 everything costs money these days. 00:21:08.865 --> 00:21:10.695 I mean, costs money to put fuel in your 00:21:10.695 --> 00:21:12.845 truck, costs money to go buy new pair of 00:21:12.845 --> 00:21:15.445 skates, to ice hockey, everything, everything 00:21:15.445 --> 00:21:16.495 costs money these days. 00:21:16.495 --> 00:21:19.115 So I mean you're going to have to buck up to 00:21:19.635 --> 00:21:21.025 pay, right to play. 00:21:21.465 --> 00:21:21.975 Pay to play. 00:21:21.975 --> 00:21:22.475 Yep. 00:21:22.615 --> 00:21:23.115 That's right. 00:21:23.515 --> 00:21:25.285 But at the same time too, there's nothing 00:21:25.285 --> 00:21:27.925 wrong with knocking on, on public land doors 00:21:27.925 --> 00:21:30.925 and, and I shouldn't say public, private doors and 00:21:32.055 --> 00:21:35.850 doing your due diligence and not being afraid 00:21:35.850 --> 00:21:37.460 of, of getting rejected. 00:21:37.740 --> 00:21:40.350 We've knocked doors in Saskatchewan and Alberta 00:21:40.350 --> 00:21:41.040 and stuff like that. 00:21:41.040 --> 00:21:42.810 If you show up with a piece of fish on any 00:21:42.810 --> 00:21:44.970 Saskatchewan or Alberta door, they'll give you 00:21:44.970 --> 00:21:47.160 permission and mark my words, they're the 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.110 friendliest people out that way in the prairies 00:21:49.110 --> 00:21:49.740 and stuff like that. 00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:52.390 Every door that we knocked on there if it 00:21:52.390 --> 00:21:55.240 wasn't already plan to be hunted, they would 00:21:55.300 --> 00:21:56.590 let us, they'd let us in. 00:21:56.730 --> 00:21:59.320 But every time when we walk knock, knock doors 00:21:59.320 --> 00:22:01.000 in Saskatchewan, they let us in, they gave 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:01.970 us a place to stay. 00:22:02.770 --> 00:22:04.020 Some of the nicest people around. 00:22:04.280 --> 00:22:06.800 Here in BC, it's a little bit more tight knit. 00:22:06.860 --> 00:22:08.689 There's not as many spots to waterfowl. 00:22:08.689 --> 00:22:10.429 There's not as much public ground and it's 00:22:10.429 --> 00:22:11.990 not vast and wide open. 00:22:11.990 --> 00:22:13.990 We're dealing with the city kind of 00:22:13.990 --> 00:22:15.310 encroaching on us, right. 00:22:15.310 --> 00:22:18.429 We're dealing with new structure and, and new 00:22:18.429 --> 00:22:20.649 types of people, and then people that aren't 00:22:20.649 --> 00:22:24.719 used to being engaged with hunters, I guess 00:22:24.719 --> 00:22:25.709 hunters or fishermen. 00:22:25.709 --> 00:22:26.209 Right, right. 00:22:27.115 --> 00:22:29.275 I guess another tip would be just really 00:22:29.275 --> 00:22:31.795 knowing the synopsis and an easy thing that 00:22:31.795 --> 00:22:32.635 you can do at home. 00:22:32.755 --> 00:22:35.905 I've seen people who get into it and they 00:22:35.905 --> 00:22:39.015 have no idea what areas are open, what aren't. 00:22:39.635 --> 00:22:41.065 With the Lower Mainland, of course, you've got 00:22:41.065 --> 00:22:42.610 the Fraser Valley. 00:22:42.649 --> 00:22:43.350 Map. 00:22:43.350 --> 00:22:46.165 The map, that, that's a good resource. 00:22:46.735 --> 00:22:47.695 Comment on a map. 00:22:47.935 --> 00:22:48.435 Yeah. 00:22:48.475 --> 00:22:50.295 And being that you sit on the same board as I do, 00:22:50.295 --> 00:22:51.415 or the community as I do. 00:22:52.665 --> 00:22:54.225 The map is a guideline. 00:22:54.995 --> 00:22:56.625 Just because it's red does not 00:22:56.625 --> 00:22:57.495 mean it's closed. 00:22:57.915 --> 00:22:58.305 Right. 00:22:58.305 --> 00:22:58.785 Right. 00:22:58.785 --> 00:23:00.355 So take an example, Surrey 00:23:00.375 --> 00:23:02.115 and Langley as red. 00:23:03.665 --> 00:23:06.165 Red is not necessarily closed. 00:23:06.185 --> 00:23:09.565 As far as the waterfowl act goes, and the 00:23:09.565 --> 00:23:10.835 right to farm act is. 00:23:11.515 --> 00:23:13.825 You have the right to protect your crops. 00:23:14.395 --> 00:23:17.395 So just because it's red doesn't mean it's close. 00:23:17.395 --> 00:23:19.195 You can go there and you could obtain written 00:23:19.195 --> 00:23:23.205 permission from some of those farmers and have 00:23:23.205 --> 00:23:24.705 access to that land also. 00:23:26.605 --> 00:23:27.895 Talk to some of the conservation 00:23:27.895 --> 00:23:28.705 officers, they know. 00:23:29.545 --> 00:23:33.385 The map is a by, it's, it's, it's a bylaw map. 00:23:33.685 --> 00:23:36.885 So the regional biologist goes to the, to the 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:40.590 city council and says, any changes this year, 00:23:40.620 --> 00:23:42.510 what's closed, what's open, what are the 00:23:42.510 --> 00:23:44.850 rules and regulations as far as the bylaws 00:23:44.850 --> 00:23:47.520 stance goes, and then they produce the map. 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:50.340 You've been there when, when Jack brings the 00:23:50.520 --> 00:23:53.879 prototype of the map or the the draft and 00:23:53.879 --> 00:23:55.200 we go over the changes. 00:23:56.190 --> 00:24:00.284 It's a good guideline for new hunters because they 00:24:00.284 --> 00:24:01.125 don't know where to go. 00:24:01.185 --> 00:24:03.045 Well, it's their only guideline basically. 00:24:03.435 --> 00:24:05.385 Apart from asking somebody where's legal, 00:24:05.385 --> 00:24:06.195 what's not legal? 00:24:06.195 --> 00:24:07.275 I mean. Correct. 00:24:07.925 --> 00:24:08.925 They open the map. 00:24:09.405 --> 00:24:11.055 They open the map and say, Oh look, I can 00:24:11.055 --> 00:24:12.975 hunt here in Boundary Bay and I can do this. 00:24:12.975 --> 00:24:14.264 And like, okay, there's some open 00:24:14.264 --> 00:24:15.075 areas for me to go. 00:24:15.750 --> 00:24:17.970 People come on, they'll phone, they'll phone or 00:24:17.970 --> 00:24:19.919 you'll get them on social media where, where can 00:24:19.919 --> 00:24:21.090 a guy go get started? 00:24:21.930 --> 00:24:23.399 If you don't, if you don't feel comfortable 00:24:23.399 --> 00:24:25.000 knocking on doors, you're going to go to Westham 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:27.120 Island or Brunswick Point, or you're going 00:24:27.120 --> 00:24:29.129 to buy a boat and go into the Marsh. 00:24:30.180 --> 00:24:32.310 It's a tough gig to go and learn on your 00:24:32.310 --> 00:24:34.379 own without some sort of a mentor. 00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:35.280 Yeah, it really is. 00:24:35.280 --> 00:24:35.610 Right? 00:24:35.610 --> 00:24:37.500 There's lots, there's lots to learn on how to 00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:39.780 do it, but you know, lots of fellows, they'll go 00:24:39.780 --> 00:24:41.340 and they'll go out to Boundary Bay and they'll 00:24:41.399 --> 00:24:43.460 walk over the dike and go out into foreshore. 00:24:44.505 --> 00:24:45.855 You know, they give it their best. 00:24:46.095 --> 00:24:47.055 Yeah. But they'll learn. 00:24:47.325 --> 00:24:49.385 They'll learn from that single experience, right? 00:24:49.965 --> 00:24:50.175 Yeah. 00:24:50.175 --> 00:24:51.555 And that's called the knocks of the 00:24:51.555 --> 00:24:52.215 knocks of life. 00:24:52.215 --> 00:24:54.855 You know, Hey, I went out there, I got a little bit 00:24:54.855 --> 00:24:57.705 wind burnt and rained on, and I only got one duck. 00:24:58.035 --> 00:24:59.685 Had lots of fun doing it, maybe next time 00:24:59.685 --> 00:25:00.285 it will be better. 00:25:00.375 --> 00:25:01.125 That's duck hunting. 00:25:01.305 --> 00:25:03.265 That is duck hunting right? 00:25:03.265 --> 00:25:05.265 And then, you know, part of the problem is 00:25:05.535 --> 00:25:07.245 people don't understand the capabilities 00:25:07.245 --> 00:25:07.995 of their firearm. 00:25:08.435 --> 00:25:09.825 Ahh, here we go there. 00:25:10.020 --> 00:25:11.790 They're, they're, they're shooting at things that 00:25:11.790 --> 00:25:13.860 are a little bit too high or a lot too high. 00:25:14.219 --> 00:25:15.810 They don't ha, they don't know the effective 00:25:15.810 --> 00:25:16.770 range of their shotgun. 00:25:17.280 --> 00:25:19.740 So, you know, and in some cases they, they need to 00:25:19.740 --> 00:25:21.990 go, one, learn how to use their shotgun properly. 00:25:21.990 --> 00:25:24.419 So when you go to a, an accredited range and 00:25:24.419 --> 00:25:27.949 learn and learn, and then you go out in the field 00:25:27.980 --> 00:25:30.030 and say, okay, well that bird's a little too far, 00:25:30.030 --> 00:25:32.449 or, you know, you need to know what, what the 00:25:32.449 --> 00:25:34.610 load you're shooting is capable of, what you're 00:25:34.610 --> 00:25:36.679 capable of and what the firearms capable of. 00:25:36.679 --> 00:25:38.780 So there's lots of folks out there shooting stuff, 00:25:38.810 --> 00:25:42.615 80, 90, 100 yards, and I mean, if they do hit 00:25:42.615 --> 00:25:44.835 them, the bird probably trickles off somewhere, 00:25:44.865 --> 00:25:46.905 lands, you know, half a mile away and it 00:25:46.905 --> 00:25:47.835 doesn't get retrieved. 00:25:48.075 --> 00:25:48.945 No dog, nothing. 00:25:48.945 --> 00:25:51.795 No dog, it's hawk food or coyote food or gone 00:25:51.795 --> 00:25:54.615 to waste because you're not shooting ethically. 00:25:54.945 --> 00:25:56.895 It's no different than, you know, shooting 00:25:56.895 --> 00:25:59.235 at a deer and making a poor shot on deer. 00:25:59.505 --> 00:26:01.605 Basically what it boils down is learning 00:26:01.605 --> 00:26:04.065 your firearm and being an ethical hunter. 00:26:04.735 --> 00:26:06.235 If you're shooting at stuff that's too 00:26:06.235 --> 00:26:09.140 far away, you're going to wound more 00:26:09.350 --> 00:26:10.520 and retrieve less. 00:26:11.150 --> 00:26:12.740 If you bring up, let those birds come in and 00:26:12.740 --> 00:26:15.710 say within 60 yards, 40, 40 yards is kind of the 00:26:15.710 --> 00:26:17.810 optimum shot or closer. 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.080 But you know, say your max range 00:26:20.080 --> 00:26:21.610 is 50, 60 yards. 00:26:21.610 --> 00:26:22.960 If you, if you're shooting at anything 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.300 inside that, your success rate's going 00:26:25.300 --> 00:26:26.440 to go up a lot higher. 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:28.800 So you go out with a box of shells and you 00:26:28.800 --> 00:26:30.240 know, hopefully you're going to come home with 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:31.199 your limited ducks. 00:26:31.370 --> 00:26:33.659 f hear some people come in and you know, 00:26:33.659 --> 00:26:36.209 they, they go with a flat or shells and 00:26:36.209 --> 00:26:37.940 they're happy to come in with five ducks. 00:26:38.660 --> 00:26:39.810 Good, good on them. 00:26:39.840 --> 00:26:41.409 They're out there enjoying the outdoors. 00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:44.450 Good for Stillwater. 00:26:44.450 --> 00:26:44.980 Yeah good for Stillwater. 00:26:45.050 --> 00:26:46.830 But, but let's face it, it's not 00:26:46.830 --> 00:26:47.939 an ethical thing. 00:26:48.290 --> 00:26:49.850 The other thing it does is this, you're going 00:26:49.850 --> 00:26:51.919 to have people seeing you out there do that. 00:26:51.919 --> 00:26:53.449 Like you mentioned, the Brunswick Point. 00:26:53.850 --> 00:26:55.649 People can walk all around the outside there. 00:26:55.649 --> 00:26:57.209 They see you shooting at birds that are too 00:26:57.209 --> 00:27:00.370 far away getting wounded and where's that end up? 00:27:00.429 --> 00:27:01.360 Next thing you know you're going to be 00:27:01.360 --> 00:27:03.490 reading about in the newspaper, these poor 00:27:03.490 --> 00:27:06.250 ethics are going to be reported upon and 00:27:06.280 --> 00:27:08.350 that one poor hunter. 00:27:08.860 --> 00:27:09.429 And ruin him. 00:27:09.699 --> 00:27:13.110 Who's demonstrating poor ethics, all 00:27:13.110 --> 00:27:15.120 hunters painted with the exact same brush. 00:27:15.300 --> 00:27:15.800 Yeah. 00:27:16.469 --> 00:27:17.760 The other, the other thing that 00:27:17.909 --> 00:27:19.260 those guys don't realize when they're 00:27:19.260 --> 00:27:20.370 shooting at birds. 00:27:21.274 --> 00:27:23.314 In or out of range or anything like that 00:27:23.314 --> 00:27:26.024 is when you shoot at birds out of range at, 00:27:26.085 --> 00:27:29.835 my out of range is 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 yards. 00:27:29.985 --> 00:27:31.064 You're only educating them. 00:27:31.534 --> 00:27:31.935 They're. Right. 00:27:31.935 --> 00:27:33.175 They're not, they're not going to come 00:27:33.175 --> 00:27:34.915 in the next day, you know what I mean? 00:27:35.004 --> 00:27:38.105 Most birds are, are, are on a flight path. 00:27:38.105 --> 00:27:40.385 They're going to do that similar flight path 00:27:40.475 --> 00:27:42.995 every day until they feel uncomfortable to 00:27:42.995 --> 00:27:44.195 not do that flight path. 00:27:44.685 --> 00:27:47.155 So if you get those, let's say snow geese, 00:27:47.305 --> 00:27:49.925 snow geese coming over at 60 yards. 00:27:49.925 --> 00:27:52.085 There's a lot of snow geese coming over at 60 00:27:52.085 --> 00:27:53.925 yards, and you figure that you can hit them 00:27:54.305 --> 00:27:55.895 and you're not hitting them at 60 yards. 00:27:55.895 --> 00:27:57.665 You're only educating those things to fly 00:27:57.665 --> 00:28:00.485 back at the next day at 70 or 80 yards right? 00:28:00.635 --> 00:28:02.045 Now, you're just tickling them, you're just 00:28:02.045 --> 00:28:03.125 massaging the breasts. 00:28:03.155 --> 00:28:04.235 You're not, you're not, you're not 00:28:04.235 --> 00:28:05.885 even penetrating anything right. 00:28:06.270 --> 00:28:09.420 You're only, you're only helping your Stillwater's 00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:11.490 cause with wasting and burning your ammo 00:28:11.490 --> 00:28:12.300 and stuff like that. 00:28:12.300 --> 00:28:14.660 And to be honest, it's more of a sport when 00:28:14.660 --> 00:28:16.310 you can decoy them or when you can get them 00:28:16.310 --> 00:28:18.450 in close enough to where you can actually do 00:28:18.450 --> 00:28:21.890 full capability of, of harvesting the animal 00:28:21.890 --> 00:28:24.770 properly and with one shot and down it goes. 00:28:24.770 --> 00:28:26.430 And it's a quick, quick dispatch. 00:28:26.430 --> 00:28:27.470 That's my favorite way. 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:27.860 Yeah. 00:28:27.860 --> 00:28:29.960 That's my favorite way when they're the birds 00:28:29.990 --> 00:28:31.010 completely committed. 00:28:31.610 --> 00:28:32.930 It's my favorite way to hunt birds. 00:28:33.020 --> 00:28:34.190 Oh, there ain't nothing better. 00:28:34.850 --> 00:28:35.300 That's right. 00:28:35.300 --> 00:28:37.640 When you can trick a bird into coming into plastic, 00:28:37.900 --> 00:28:41.160 plastic things that look like it, and there ain't 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:42.060 nothing better than that. 00:28:42.585 --> 00:28:44.175 There's one other resource that I figured 00:28:44.175 --> 00:28:45.825 I'd throw out there, and we talked about 00:28:45.825 --> 00:28:48.675 the, regulations, talked about the, the map. 00:28:49.034 --> 00:28:50.225 If you guys ever used iHunter? 00:28:51.225 --> 00:28:54.295 I use iHunter and Hunt Buddy. 00:28:54.445 --> 00:28:54.945 Hunt Buddy. 00:28:55.095 --> 00:28:55.595 Yeah. 00:28:55.935 --> 00:28:58.004 I think Hunt Buddy was a sort of a, the 00:28:58.004 --> 00:28:59.435 trailblazer on the phone. 00:28:59.435 --> 00:28:59.745 That's right. 00:28:59.745 --> 00:29:02.580 I think there's a guy by the name Mark Stenroos 00:29:02.595 --> 00:29:06.225 in Alberta who took the iHunter thing and 00:29:06.655 --> 00:29:11.420 for people that are new to it, it's a, it's a 00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:12.170 pretty good resource. 00:29:12.170 --> 00:29:14.210 It makes things, now of course, you have to check 00:29:14.210 --> 00:29:16.220 the synopsis, make sure that everything matches 00:29:16.220 --> 00:29:18.200 up, but they're pretty good at keeping on top 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.500 of things and knowing if, what your limits are, 00:29:21.910 --> 00:29:24.980 what, what the season is, the length of it. 00:29:25.370 --> 00:29:27.560 But the maps are the most, one of 00:29:27.560 --> 00:29:30.190 the tools that I found quite useful. 00:29:30.280 --> 00:29:32.980 I remember it was, it was last year actually, 00:29:33.120 --> 00:29:36.370 I was on an elk hunt and we had taken the kids 00:29:36.370 --> 00:29:39.340 into town to get some hot cocoa and ice cream, 00:29:39.350 --> 00:29:41.800 and we're heading back and we're going through 00:29:41.800 --> 00:29:46.030 some farm, farm land, and we see some juvenile 00:29:46.030 --> 00:29:49.180 elk in a farmer's field and we pull over. 00:29:49.180 --> 00:29:51.280 The kids are trying to identify it and 00:29:52.060 --> 00:29:54.290 figure it everything around here was gonna 00:29:54.975 --> 00:29:57.285 be private property and non huntable. 00:29:57.285 --> 00:29:58.915 And as the kids are looking out, I look 00:29:58.915 --> 00:30:00.285 over at my wife and I say, well, you know, 00:30:00.285 --> 00:30:02.805 mama's not going to be too far away, and my 00:30:02.805 --> 00:30:04.365 wife had a cow elk tag. 00:30:04.625 --> 00:30:06.405 Said too bad we're, we're in an area where 00:30:06.405 --> 00:30:07.335 we can't harvest them. 00:30:08.385 --> 00:30:10.725 And she pulls up the iHunter and she looks, 00:30:11.075 --> 00:30:13.255 actually right across the street over there, 00:30:13.465 --> 00:30:14.775 it's completely open. 00:30:14.985 --> 00:30:18.304 I look across the street and there's another 00:30:18.304 --> 00:30:19.625 cow elk right there. 00:30:19.955 --> 00:30:22.415 Having resources like that can also 00:30:22.415 --> 00:30:23.824 be a helpful thing. 00:30:24.095 --> 00:30:27.605 I think, I think a thing to touch on is like you 00:30:27.605 --> 00:30:28.804 mentioned regulations. 00:30:28.865 --> 00:30:29.365 Right. 00:30:29.495 --> 00:30:32.824 And, and as a CORE instructor, it's one 00:30:32.824 --> 00:30:34.895 of the things I stress a lot is regulations 00:30:34.895 --> 00:30:37.264 and how to read them properly, right? 00:30:37.635 --> 00:30:40.645 So learn how to read the regulations properly 00:30:40.645 --> 00:30:42.895 cause, and Jens'll, Jen's will say the same. 00:30:42.955 --> 00:30:46.015 When you look at a lot of the hunt forums, 00:30:46.465 --> 00:30:49.075 guys are asking simple questions that are in 00:30:49.075 --> 00:30:51.225 the regulations, right? 00:30:51.255 --> 00:30:53.565 It's like, Hey, it's on page 15, just 00:30:53.625 --> 00:30:55.245 look it up yourself sorta thing right? 00:30:55.295 --> 00:30:55.725 Right. 00:30:55.725 --> 00:30:57.615 They're relying so much on everybody to 00:30:57.615 --> 00:30:59.145 tell them what to do instead of actually 00:30:59.145 --> 00:31:00.285 doing the research. 00:31:00.285 --> 00:31:04.575 So in my CORE classes, I kinda spend a little 00:31:04.575 --> 00:31:08.205 extra time on the, on the regulations part 00:31:08.385 --> 00:31:10.185 because I want them to know how to use it. 00:31:10.875 --> 00:31:12.495 They can't come back to me and say, 00:31:12.495 --> 00:31:14.505 today, you didn't teach me about that. 00:31:14.505 --> 00:31:17.545 You didn't teach me about, you know, the, 00:31:17.545 --> 00:31:20.205 the regulations well enough that I understand. 00:31:20.295 --> 00:31:21.825 No, when my students leave, they know 00:31:21.825 --> 00:31:24.375 how to read that regulation properly. 00:31:25.095 --> 00:31:29.715 I find that happens a lot and, and, and hunters on 00:31:29.715 --> 00:31:33.225 the hunt forums get not upset, but they get tired 00:31:33.225 --> 00:31:36.165 of those silly questions that are so easily to, 00:31:36.855 --> 00:31:38.645 you should be able to figure them out yourself. 00:31:38.765 --> 00:31:39.285 Mhmm. 00:31:39.775 --> 00:31:42.405 Yeah, I think, I think, yeah when a, when a, 00:31:42.735 --> 00:31:45.235 when a question that's pretty simple gets 00:31:45.235 --> 00:31:49.215 posted onto a, let's say a forum or a page on 00:31:49.215 --> 00:31:52.035 social, and you've had guys that have been in 00:31:52.035 --> 00:31:56.385 the game for 50 years or whatever you want to say. 00:31:57.135 --> 00:31:59.054 I think I can see how they can get easily 00:31:59.054 --> 00:32:01.544 annoyed with, with simple questions like 00:32:01.544 --> 00:32:02.355 that or whatever. 00:32:02.355 --> 00:32:08.385 But at the same time, these days and age, I 00:32:08.385 --> 00:32:10.365 should say the kids, or the people that are 00:32:10.365 --> 00:32:13.645 getting involved in this stuff almost want 00:32:13.645 --> 00:32:16.254 it spoonfed to them, to the point where they 00:32:16.254 --> 00:32:18.355 don't even care about reading the regulations. 00:32:18.355 --> 00:32:21.865 We have a, we've got a new influx, a new coming 00:32:21.865 --> 00:32:24.284 of, of new hunters coming into the thing 00:32:24.284 --> 00:32:27.620 where it's, you know, I pay for my license, I 00:32:27.620 --> 00:32:29.810 pay for my tags, I pay for my stamp, I can go 00:32:29.810 --> 00:32:30.530 out there and shoot. 00:32:30.530 --> 00:32:32.420 I don't know how much I'm allowed to shoot, I don't 00:32:32.420 --> 00:32:33.920 know where I'm allowed to shoot, but I'm just 00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:35.690 going to go out and shoot because they've never had 00:32:35.690 --> 00:32:36.710 that privilege before. 00:32:36.830 --> 00:32:37.190 Right. 00:32:37.190 --> 00:32:39.590 It's a privilege to hunt, it is, but it's 00:32:39.590 --> 00:32:40.620 our right to hunt too. 00:32:41.760 --> 00:32:44.700 I believe it's, it's our right to bear arms 00:32:44.700 --> 00:32:47.290 and it's, a firearm is just a tool to me. 00:32:47.540 --> 00:32:47.630 Yup. 00:32:47.630 --> 00:32:49.620 It sits right next to a shovel, you know, on 00:32:49.620 --> 00:32:51.180 the front porch, and it doesn't do any more 00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:53.610 damage than what it then a shovel would to digging 00:32:53.610 --> 00:32:54.400 in the yard right. 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:55.250 Preaching to the choir. 00:32:55.340 --> 00:32:55.840 Yeah. 00:32:56.090 --> 00:32:59.380 So I think it's, I think it's a little bit 00:32:59.380 --> 00:33:04.450 of a negligence when people are so, put out 00:33:04.450 --> 00:33:06.160 dumbfounded questions and stuff like that. 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.435 But at the same time, I think they just 00:33:08.435 --> 00:33:10.535 need a little bit more direction and a little 00:33:10.535 --> 00:33:12.905 bit more help sometimes too, because if they're 00:33:12.905 --> 00:33:17.505 coming from an era where it's uncommon to have 00:33:17.505 --> 00:33:20.064 to work mpretty hard to get to what you want. 00:33:20.324 --> 00:33:21.395 Right. In life, right so. 00:33:21.544 --> 00:33:23.215 Well, working in the gun store, what are, 00:33:23.274 --> 00:33:25.195 what are some of the common things that you 00:33:25.195 --> 00:33:26.935 see people come in that you just kind of have 00:33:26.935 --> 00:33:27.765 to shake your head at? 00:33:28.064 --> 00:33:28.615 I'm sure there's. 00:33:28.615 --> 00:33:30.185 Ohh, there's millions Trav. 00:33:30.185 --> 00:33:32.064 You know, we come in with barrels put on 00:33:32.064 --> 00:33:37.314 backwards and fully loaded guns and I dunno 00:33:37.334 --> 00:33:39.165 it hap, it happens. 00:33:39.165 --> 00:33:40.844 But I mean, there's people from all walks 00:33:40.844 --> 00:33:42.735 of life and stuff like that, and like I said, 00:33:42.735 --> 00:33:44.475 they just need a little help, a little guidance. 00:33:44.695 --> 00:33:47.524 Sometimes it's due to negligence or laziness 00:33:47.524 --> 00:33:48.274 and stuff like that. 00:33:48.274 --> 00:33:51.245 But I mean, we get, we get public coming in 00:33:51.675 --> 00:33:53.084 for public complaints. 00:33:53.084 --> 00:33:55.245 We get hunters coming in about other hunter 00:33:55.245 --> 00:33:56.395 complaints sometimes. 00:33:56.465 --> 00:33:56.965 Okay. 00:33:57.105 --> 00:33:58.995 But I mean, that's all part of the game. 00:33:58.995 --> 00:34:01.725 You know, when, when you're in that certain 00:34:01.725 --> 00:34:04.075 aspect of it, it's going to happen, you know? 00:34:04.105 --> 00:34:06.545 But it's not going to happen as often 00:34:06.605 --> 00:34:07.595 as you think it does. 00:34:07.595 --> 00:34:09.665 It just, it's going to happen in that time. 00:34:09.784 --> 00:34:12.125 We're trying to whittle it down to as minimal 00:34:12.125 --> 00:34:13.205 as possible right. 00:34:13.655 --> 00:34:14.585 Public complaints. 00:34:15.245 --> 00:34:16.114 Let's talk about that. 00:34:17.485 --> 00:34:20.795 What can new hunters do to mitigate 00:34:21.485 --> 00:34:22.385 public complaints? 00:34:23.735 --> 00:34:26.020 I think, I think they, they should, 00:34:26.170 --> 00:34:27.339 one, know the rules. 00:34:27.699 --> 00:34:28.199 Right. 00:34:28.460 --> 00:34:30.110 Just so that they're not out of place or 00:34:30.110 --> 00:34:31.370 out of bounds and stuff like that. 00:34:31.699 --> 00:34:34.909 And sometimes rules aren't there written, 00:34:35.179 --> 00:34:36.739 they're just the unwritten rules 00:34:36.739 --> 00:34:38.270 of the sport, you know what I mean? 00:34:38.929 --> 00:34:40.819 Not to set it just like you do in fishing, you're 00:34:40.819 --> 00:34:43.895 not going to go down there and go post below a 00:34:43.895 --> 00:34:46.325 guy in the run and start casting your thing in 00:34:46.325 --> 00:34:48.545 without going to maybe ask permission and say, 00:34:48.545 --> 00:34:51.425 Hey man, I know it's not your river, but out 00:34:51.425 --> 00:34:53.465 of etiquette, I'm going to ask you, Hey, can I 00:34:53.465 --> 00:34:55.715 fish below or would you rather me fish above you? 00:34:55.835 --> 00:34:57.065 See, a lot of people wouldn't know that. 00:34:57.095 --> 00:34:58.235 No, they wouldn't right. 00:34:58.295 --> 00:34:59.735 And same thing with duck hunting, right? 00:34:59.735 --> 00:35:01.535 And you're not going to go post a guy, I mean, 00:35:01.805 --> 00:35:04.355 I had it this year in similar situations, 00:35:04.355 --> 00:35:07.335 hunting snow geese where we had a, where we had 00:35:07.335 --> 00:35:10.455 a guy post up 50 yards off our, off our set. 00:35:10.695 --> 00:35:11.145 Come on. 00:35:11.145 --> 00:35:12.825 And you know, and what do you do? 00:35:12.855 --> 00:35:15.555 You, you can either join forces with the guy 00:35:15.555 --> 00:35:18.555 or educate the guy, or just if he's a plane, 00:35:19.295 --> 00:35:23.384 I guess dick then he's going to have that name 00:35:23.415 --> 00:35:25.605 built out for him later on or whatever right. 00:35:25.634 --> 00:35:27.345 But in most circumstances, it all 00:35:27.345 --> 00:35:29.205 figures out its own way and stuff like that 00:35:29.205 --> 00:35:30.345 and people get along. 00:35:30.345 --> 00:35:31.995 And I mean, as hunters, we all have 00:35:31.995 --> 00:35:34.975 to unite somehow, because that's we, we 00:35:34.985 --> 00:35:35.855 all love the sport. 00:35:35.855 --> 00:35:38.465 We all love to hunt, we all, but we don't want 00:35:38.465 --> 00:35:42.725 it to be thrashed by the, the few and far between 00:35:42.725 --> 00:35:44.615 the people that are going to try and ruin it for 00:35:44.615 --> 00:35:47.195 us with being ignorant or uneducated things. 00:35:47.215 --> 00:35:49.525 So with the public complaints and stuff like 00:35:49.525 --> 00:35:53.140 that, yeah I think it has to do with some, some 00:35:53.140 --> 00:35:54.880 hunters and stuff like that that are ruining it 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.840 for others, but I also think it's I think it's a 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.240 little bit ignorance on, on a part of the public 00:36:00.240 --> 00:36:02.560 that about most of the complaints that we get. 00:36:02.700 --> 00:36:04.850 Oh for sure it is. 00:36:04.900 --> 00:36:06.330 It lands on both sides for sure. 00:36:06.330 --> 00:36:10.420 But everybody, an example, an ethical 00:36:10.420 --> 00:36:14.770 hunter or a, a hunter with a bit of smarts 00:36:15.460 --> 00:36:18.560 wouldn't pick a heavy Southeast wind day 00:36:18.770 --> 00:36:20.330 to be shooting right behind a neighborhood. 00:36:20.810 --> 00:36:21.170 Yeah. Right. 00:36:21.170 --> 00:36:22.339 Right, cause it's going to sound like you're 00:36:22.339 --> 00:36:23.270 right in the backyard. 00:36:23.270 --> 00:36:25.940 So there's days where I've gone to a field 00:36:25.940 --> 00:36:28.049 and went, this might not be the right place to 00:36:28.049 --> 00:36:29.310 be shooting here today cause it's going to, 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.500 I mean, yes, you're, you're more than legal. 00:36:31.509 --> 00:36:33.049 You're far enough out in the field. 00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:35.870 Nobody's going to get rained on, but the 00:36:35.870 --> 00:36:38.629 noise is going to make, make the neighbors mad. 00:36:38.839 --> 00:36:40.700 And that's the same thing with like casing 00:36:40.700 --> 00:36:42.169 your gun while you're walking the dike. 00:36:42.169 --> 00:36:42.859 You know what I mean? 00:36:42.919 --> 00:36:43.419 I mean. 00:36:44.029 --> 00:36:46.310 Yeah Jens and I had this discussion while I 00:36:46.310 --> 00:36:48.290 was with a fellow today actually in the store, 00:36:48.290 --> 00:36:49.700 and I was in there visiting Jens, and this 00:36:50.060 --> 00:36:52.200 fellow came in and the discussion came up about 00:36:52.419 --> 00:36:56.645 hunting Boundary Bay and with, with the Metro 00:36:56.645 --> 00:36:59.180 Vancouver running the strip park at the dike. 00:36:59.390 --> 00:36:59.890 Yeah. 00:37:00.225 --> 00:37:03.055 That was owned by Delta, Metro Van came 00:37:03.055 --> 00:37:05.275 to Delta and asked if they could manage the 00:37:05.275 --> 00:37:07.855 Dyke as a strip park, as a continuation 00:37:07.855 --> 00:37:10.615 from the Centennial Beach Parkway right? 00:37:11.095 --> 00:37:12.835 So was Centennial Beach park used to come 00:37:12.835 --> 00:37:14.245 around and come over to Boundary Bay and it 00:37:14.245 --> 00:37:15.235 kind of ended there. 00:37:15.985 --> 00:37:19.465 They wanted to carry on the the strip parks so 00:37:19.465 --> 00:37:21.595 people could enjoy that whole use of the park. 00:37:22.075 --> 00:37:26.015 Problem being is, back when we were kids 00:37:26.015 --> 00:37:28.955 that was pretty much strictly used by hunters. 00:37:29.115 --> 00:37:29.325 Right. 00:37:29.325 --> 00:37:30.845 And the guys would go out there with their 00:37:30.845 --> 00:37:33.754 pickups on a, on a sunny Saturday afternoon, 00:37:33.754 --> 00:37:35.794 and the dykes were never gated back then. 00:37:36.095 --> 00:37:37.774 He'd back up there on the thing, you'd have your 00:37:37.774 --> 00:37:39.754 trap throw out there, you'd be chucking pigeons 00:37:39.754 --> 00:37:42.335 out there shooting, shooting back clay birds 00:37:42.335 --> 00:37:43.295 and stuff like that. 00:37:43.715 --> 00:37:46.205 Well, that's come to an end after that happened. 00:37:46.475 --> 00:37:48.425 This fellow that we're talking to today was 00:37:48.485 --> 00:37:50.795 one of the comments was about walking over the 00:37:50.795 --> 00:37:53.495 dike or down the dike with an uncased gun 00:37:53.495 --> 00:37:54.785 and pack three ducks. 00:37:55.325 --> 00:37:55.825 Mmm. 00:37:56.005 --> 00:37:58.455 The, the general public who's not hunter 00:37:58.455 --> 00:38:00.255 savvy, not going to want to see that. 00:38:00.345 --> 00:38:01.155 No, not at all. 00:38:01.215 --> 00:38:03.795 So you gotta be a bit smart as a hunter, like 00:38:03.795 --> 00:38:04.905 let's not be flashing. 00:38:04.905 --> 00:38:07.634 Case your gun, throw your ducks in your blind bag 00:38:07.634 --> 00:38:09.045 or whatever and then. 00:38:09.549 --> 00:38:09.790 Yeah. 00:38:09.790 --> 00:38:11.379 You know, mind your P's and Q's. 00:38:11.589 --> 00:38:13.990 The problem is people get a little bit 00:38:13.990 --> 00:38:15.790 confrontational, like they'll, they'll come 00:38:15.790 --> 00:38:19.850 across a, a person, just general public that's not 00:38:20.149 --> 00:38:22.129 educated about hunting and you shouldn't be 00:38:22.129 --> 00:38:23.270 shooting birds out here. 00:38:23.805 --> 00:38:24.915 Well, that's not the case. 00:38:25.095 --> 00:38:27.285 Boundary Bay in that, in that aspect, with 00:38:27.285 --> 00:38:29.985 that park there, it's a multi-use area. 00:38:29.985 --> 00:38:31.785 It's no different than Brunswick's Point where 00:38:31.785 --> 00:38:34.065 people walk their dogs and the kids go out on 00:38:34.065 --> 00:38:36.134 their bikes and they ride along the dyke, 00:38:36.285 --> 00:38:37.575 it's a multi-use area. 00:38:38.185 --> 00:38:40.195 Both, like hunters need to get along 00:38:40.195 --> 00:38:40.825 with the public. 00:38:40.825 --> 00:38:42.165 Public needs to get along with the hunters. 00:38:42.185 --> 00:38:45.145 So if you have a hunter or a group of 00:38:45.145 --> 00:38:47.095 hunters that's a bit confrontational with 00:38:47.825 --> 00:38:49.295 you know, somebody from the public that's 00:38:49.295 --> 00:38:51.365 not educated about hunting or doesn't 00:38:51.365 --> 00:38:54.185 agree with hunting, that just makes it worse. 00:38:55.334 --> 00:38:56.504 I think we are going to be all sorts of 00:38:56.504 --> 00:38:57.194 complaints, right? 00:38:57.225 --> 00:38:59.774 I think we all, we've all been there. 00:38:59.915 --> 00:39:01.024 You know where there's going to 00:39:01.024 --> 00:39:01.895 be confrontation. 00:39:01.895 --> 00:39:03.334 There's going to be people that don't 00:39:03.334 --> 00:39:05.285 share the same views that you have or 00:39:05.285 --> 00:39:06.095 anything like that. 00:39:06.714 --> 00:39:09.384 I'm all, what you said, Dennis, I'm all for that, 00:39:09.555 --> 00:39:12.810 I'm not, I'm not too scared about, I would 00:39:12.810 --> 00:39:15.090 case my gun on the dyke, but I'm not scared about 00:39:15.090 --> 00:39:16.930 showing my, my harvest. 00:39:17.210 --> 00:39:17.660 No. 00:39:17.660 --> 00:39:19.130 Or my foul or anything like that. 00:39:19.130 --> 00:39:21.790 I think most people that walk those dykes, let's 00:39:22.090 --> 00:39:25.370 say 64, 72nd Brunswick Point, Pitt Marsh, 00:39:25.370 --> 00:39:27.470 whatever you want to call it, any public ground, 00:39:28.030 --> 00:39:29.390 I think most people that are there, are 00:39:29.410 --> 00:39:31.930 accepted of it and they know what's going on. 00:39:31.930 --> 00:39:33.750 You got to remember that down Brunswick 00:39:33.750 --> 00:39:35.280 Point that used to be all private dyke, 00:39:35.620 --> 00:39:37.390 public use would never be able to walk down 00:39:37.390 --> 00:39:39.910 there until they opened it up in the I think it 00:39:39.910 --> 00:39:41.740 was the early nineties or something like that. 00:39:41.740 --> 00:39:44.360 But you have to remember that the hunters were 00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:47.410 there before there was dog walkers, before 00:39:47.410 --> 00:39:50.380 there was, you know, morning walkers that had 00:39:50.410 --> 00:39:52.150 their cool crisp stride, you know that come 00:39:52.150 --> 00:39:53.830 down there with their Starbucks, and now here 00:39:53.830 --> 00:39:55.330 I am stereotyping them. 00:39:55.330 --> 00:39:57.280 You know, we live in such a, an awesome 00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:58.690 place, especially Ladner. 00:39:59.130 --> 00:40:00.750 We don't want to put it too much on the map 00:40:00.750 --> 00:40:03.330 because then more people come because it's already 00:40:03.330 --> 00:40:05.280 losing it's small thing, we're getting encroached 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.050 with that big, ugly piece of pavement out 00:40:08.050 --> 00:40:09.590 there and Tsawwassen. 00:40:09.700 --> 00:40:12.670 I mean, I shot thousands of ducks, or I shouldn't 00:40:12.670 --> 00:40:15.040 say thousands, but hundreds of ducks, 00:40:15.070 --> 00:40:17.230 right where that big ugly mall sits. 00:40:17.250 --> 00:40:19.290 And now it's, it's not soil. 00:40:19.290 --> 00:40:20.700 Yeah. It's concrete now right? 00:40:20.700 --> 00:40:22.020 You can't get that back, you can't 00:40:22.020 --> 00:40:24.315 grow, can't grow crop out of concrete. 00:40:24.315 --> 00:40:26.265 And here we are having some of the best soil 00:40:26.265 --> 00:40:28.275 in all of Canada, and we're paving it over. 00:40:28.485 --> 00:40:28.904 Yeah. 00:40:28.904 --> 00:40:30.884 Like it's nobody's business and I. 00:40:31.095 --> 00:40:34.455 Well, it brings up a, you know, there's a, 00:40:34.455 --> 00:40:39.345 there's an interesting balance because we talk 00:40:39.345 --> 00:40:41.595 about casing the gun because some people 00:40:41.595 --> 00:40:44.085 might be offended by seeing the firearm, by 00:40:44.115 --> 00:40:46.995 putting the, your kill and hiding it away. 00:40:46.995 --> 00:40:48.615 I know I was speaking with another fellow, 00:40:48.615 --> 00:40:49.305 he says, you know what? 00:40:50.265 --> 00:40:54.925 I'd love to drive down the road with my deer 00:40:54.985 --> 00:40:57.694 opened up on the top, letting the air cool 00:40:57.715 --> 00:41:00.175 it out, but I just can't do that because 00:41:00.175 --> 00:41:01.075 of how that'll look. 00:41:01.345 --> 00:41:03.384 And although it's perfectly legal for 00:41:03.384 --> 00:41:05.545 somebody to be walking out with their uncased 00:41:05.545 --> 00:41:07.555 firearm and perfectly fine for them to be 00:41:07.825 --> 00:41:10.435 displaying or having their harvest out in 00:41:10.435 --> 00:41:14.375 the open, there are going to be those 00:41:14.375 --> 00:41:16.930 within the society that are offended by it. 00:41:17.750 --> 00:41:24.259 And the difficult fight comes in when, just like 00:41:24.259 --> 00:41:25.910 you were saying before, it's, it's a tool. 00:41:26.060 --> 00:41:27.480 I was raised around firearms, I got my 00:41:27.529 --> 00:41:29.240 first firearm when I was, well I started 00:41:29.240 --> 00:41:30.890 shooting at four, got for my first firearm 00:41:30.890 --> 00:41:31.680 at five years old. 00:41:31.680 --> 00:41:33.820 Still have it, old custom made 22 Stevens 00:41:33.830 --> 00:41:36.410 cut down to fit a five year old frame right. 00:41:36.410 --> 00:41:38.170 It took down into two pieces, could throw 00:41:38.170 --> 00:41:39.560 it in my backpack, it was perfect. 00:41:40.750 --> 00:41:41.680 I'm used to that. 00:41:42.150 --> 00:41:44.610 And for a long time I had this attitude 00:41:44.610 --> 00:41:48.405 of, it's legal, it's lawful, I can do it. 00:41:49.995 --> 00:41:51.735 Screw everyone else right? 00:41:51.795 --> 00:41:55.735 I mean, I'm not doing anything wrong, but 00:41:55.735 --> 00:41:59.905 the reality of it is, we are the minority. 00:42:00.055 --> 00:42:00.555 Yeah. 00:42:01.165 --> 00:42:02.035 We really are. 00:42:02.065 --> 00:42:04.315 And then that's what's changed from like the 00:42:04.315 --> 00:42:07.215 70's, the 80's and then early 90's and now, 00:42:07.905 --> 00:42:10.725 you know, getting into, we're well into the 00:42:10.725 --> 00:42:14.955 2000's now and I mean, I hate to say it but, the 00:42:14.955 --> 00:42:16.475 snowflakes are winning, you know what I mean? 00:42:16.475 --> 00:42:16.545 Yeah. 00:42:16.545 --> 00:42:18.355 Like they're, I shouldn't say they're 00:42:18.355 --> 00:42:20.345 winning cause it's not a fight for that. 00:42:20.345 --> 00:42:25.165 But I don't think anyone should be not proud to 00:42:25.165 --> 00:42:28.775 be a hunter or, or out even a shooter or a, or 00:42:28.775 --> 00:42:31.085 a fishermen or anything like that because a 00:42:31.085 --> 00:42:33.424 certain group of people that are, are more 00:42:34.170 --> 00:42:36.900 minded like that disagree on that part right? 00:42:37.050 --> 00:42:39.060 But it's a touchy subject, right? 00:42:39.060 --> 00:42:41.340 Because at any point in time, you could 00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:42.600 say the wrong thing and you're going to 00:42:42.600 --> 00:42:43.710 be the bad guy, right? 00:42:43.740 --> 00:42:46.240 You say one wrong thing and shame on you. 00:42:46.330 --> 00:42:48.310 And when it comes down to do I case the gun? 00:42:48.310 --> 00:42:48.850 Do I not? 00:42:48.850 --> 00:42:50.950 Do I hide the harvest or not? 00:42:51.510 --> 00:42:53.400 And then it becomes the argument of, well, if 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.630 we keep casing it and hiding it and people 00:42:55.630 --> 00:42:59.750 don't see it, then how do you normalize it? 00:42:59.779 --> 00:43:03.710 Because not having, not seeing the firearm 00:43:03.710 --> 00:43:06.510 becomes the norm and you further hurt your cause. 00:43:06.510 --> 00:43:08.935 Well like just, back in the day when guys would 00:43:09.085 --> 00:43:11.515 roll around in their, in, in their Chevy or 00:43:11.515 --> 00:43:13.755 their Ford or whatever with three guns sitting 00:43:13.755 --> 00:43:14.645 Shotgun hanging in the back. 00:43:14.645 --> 00:43:15.295 In the back window right? 00:43:15.295 --> 00:43:15.355 Yeah. 00:43:15.355 --> 00:43:16.225 You wouldn't think anything. 00:43:16.225 --> 00:43:18.235 I went to, I, I, when I went into high school, I 00:43:18.235 --> 00:43:20.365 used to drive a Cutlass Supreme with an empty 00:43:20.365 --> 00:43:22.345 bullet shells all around the thing, like dingle 00:43:22.345 --> 00:43:24.695 balls, but they were shotgun shells, perfectly 00:43:24.695 --> 00:43:26.615 legal, but I got pulled over quite a bit. 00:43:26.615 --> 00:43:28.995 But at the same time it was like, that 00:43:28.995 --> 00:43:31.635 was, I was okay with displaying that I was 00:43:31.635 --> 00:43:33.735 okay with, you know, being okay with that. 00:43:33.795 --> 00:43:36.225 And at that time it was right at that 00:43:36.225 --> 00:43:38.645 transitioning point where, you know, guns 00:43:38.645 --> 00:43:40.775 are scary, guns are bad, guns a thing. 00:43:40.775 --> 00:43:43.925 I think a lot of it is just ignorance 00:43:43.925 --> 00:43:46.890 and uneducated people about certain things. 00:43:46.890 --> 00:43:50.050 It's, it's, it's a tool and so it's a way to 00:43:50.050 --> 00:43:51.160 harvest animals right? 00:43:51.370 --> 00:43:53.290 Well, speaking of, yeah. 00:43:53.380 --> 00:43:56.290 Well, speaking of the general public and 00:43:57.270 --> 00:43:59.850 people seeing hunters out there, Dennis, you 00:43:59.850 --> 00:44:01.500 had an experience where somebody got their 00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:04.770 phone out, filmed you, I think they put it on 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:05.780 YouTube didn't they? 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:07.550 Went up to the media, yeah. 00:44:07.690 --> 00:44:08.190 Yeah. 00:44:08.550 --> 00:44:13.830 Yeah, we had a, we had a opportunity, a very 00:44:13.830 --> 00:44:15.569 privileged opportunity to hunt a piece of 00:44:15.569 --> 00:44:17.730 property who not many people get to hunt, and 00:44:18.089 --> 00:44:21.330 it's back in the back in when we were allowed 00:44:21.330 --> 00:44:21.899 to hunt the property. 00:44:21.899 --> 00:44:24.720 Now it's being developed, so it's kind of off the 00:44:24.720 --> 00:44:27.830 table, but back in that, in that time, there was 00:44:27.830 --> 00:44:29.930 a handful of us that have permission to hunt there, 00:44:30.410 --> 00:44:32.899 and it came to the point where the public pressure 00:44:32.899 --> 00:44:35.180 from around that farm, they kept complaining 00:44:35.180 --> 00:44:36.740 to the land owner and the land owner finally 00:44:36.740 --> 00:44:38.149 said, okay, there's no more hunting here. 00:44:38.669 --> 00:44:40.109 Got to the point where there was so many 00:44:40.109 --> 00:44:43.290 snow geese in this property that even the 00:44:43.290 --> 00:44:44.790 neighbours were like man, we can't even 00:44:44.790 --> 00:44:46.859 sleep at night, they're there all the time. 00:44:46.859 --> 00:44:48.899 So the landowner finally said, okay, come on in 00:44:49.410 --> 00:44:51.330 and, and you know, let's harvest some of these 00:44:51.330 --> 00:44:53.315 geese and make a move on. 00:44:54.545 --> 00:44:58.535 This, a resident, you know, everybody's got a 00:44:58.535 --> 00:45:01.295 phone now on there with a camera on your video. 00:45:01.295 --> 00:45:03.524 So came out and videoed us, called 00:45:03.524 --> 00:45:07.025 the local Delta police and made a, made a 00:45:07.025 --> 00:45:07.895 big scene out of it. 00:45:08.015 --> 00:45:09.995 Ended up going to media, when it was in 00:45:09.995 --> 00:45:12.725 the papers it was you know, on the news. 00:45:14.285 --> 00:45:15.875 We weren't doing anything wrong, we 00:45:15.875 --> 00:45:17.045 followed all the rules. 00:45:17.875 --> 00:45:20.544 The guy basically tried to make a mockery of 00:45:20.725 --> 00:45:22.884 myself and my hunting partner at the time. 00:45:23.395 --> 00:45:25.734 We stayed professional, answered the questions, 00:45:25.734 --> 00:45:29.365 the media came, the media came to my hunting 00:45:29.365 --> 00:45:30.384 partners residence. 00:45:30.714 --> 00:45:32.365 We did an interview. 00:45:33.444 --> 00:45:35.694 People just need to understand that we 00:45:35.694 --> 00:45:37.944 harvest our animals, we just don't go shoot 00:45:37.944 --> 00:45:38.785 him just because. 00:45:39.955 --> 00:45:43.245 We don't shoot over our limit, we're 00:45:43.245 --> 00:45:44.355 conservationists. 00:45:44.865 --> 00:45:48.115 You know, us as duck hunters when the ducks 00:45:48.135 --> 00:45:50.355 are freezing, we got a big long freeze up. 00:45:50.985 --> 00:45:53.265 Example would be way back when Boundary 00:45:53.265 --> 00:45:54.135 Bay was froze over. 00:45:54.645 --> 00:45:56.295 The ducks were freezing, they were thin. 00:45:57.045 --> 00:45:58.995 The Delta Rod and Gun Club went and purchased 00:45:58.995 --> 00:46:00.645 a whole bunch of green and went and spread it 00:46:00.645 --> 00:46:01.695 out for the birds to eat. 00:46:03.465 --> 00:46:05.035 You wouldn't see general public do that. 00:46:05.545 --> 00:46:09.095 We get, you know, I say as hunters, we give so 00:46:09.095 --> 00:46:13.610 much more back to the wildlife then any of 00:46:13.610 --> 00:46:15.260 the general public does. 00:46:15.350 --> 00:46:18.280 Oh, the old saying eh Jen's like the, the 00:46:18.310 --> 00:46:19.520 migratory birds stamp. 00:46:19.540 --> 00:46:20.020 Oh yeah. 00:46:20.020 --> 00:46:22.760 Us as hunters buy that migratory birds stamp, 00:46:23.170 --> 00:46:26.260 every year the money goes back into the waterfowl. 00:46:26.350 --> 00:46:29.590 It doesn't mean that general public can't 00:46:29.590 --> 00:46:31.150 buy that same stamp and contribute. 00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:33.040 Well, that's what I mean, the guy taken, I mean, 00:46:33.040 --> 00:46:35.860 I take photography of, of wild birds and love 00:46:35.860 --> 00:46:37.510 them just as much as when they're alive, as 00:46:37.510 --> 00:46:38.530 when they're on my table. 00:46:38.620 --> 00:46:39.120 Right. 00:46:39.130 --> 00:46:42.100 But they don't see the, the hours put 00:46:42.100 --> 00:46:45.360 in at, let's say the sanctuary or, or behind 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.860 a planting a cover crop for a farmer or 00:46:47.860 --> 00:46:49.060 anything like that too. 00:46:49.300 --> 00:46:51.730 Like I said, to the dyke walker that might 00:46:51.730 --> 00:46:53.820 complain that when you have harvested birds 00:46:53.820 --> 00:46:57.570 there, it's like, Hey man, I pay $17 and 00:46:57.570 --> 00:46:59.640 85 cents every year for my bird stamp. 00:46:59.640 --> 00:47:01.950 And that contributes to the wildlife habitat 00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:04.350 restoration, to all that stuff, what do you do? 00:47:04.944 --> 00:47:05.995 You can buy that too. 00:47:06.115 --> 00:47:06.325 Right. 00:47:06.325 --> 00:47:08.335 Why, why haven't you bought your bird stamp? 00:47:08.485 --> 00:47:09.654 Do you have your bird stamp? 00:47:09.835 --> 00:47:10.825 Anyone can buy it. 00:47:10.825 --> 00:47:12.535 Not only that, it's a cool thing to collect. 00:47:12.595 --> 00:47:13.495 Well, that's too, right. 00:47:13.495 --> 00:47:15.115 I don't think a lot of the general public 00:47:15.115 --> 00:47:16.165 actually knows that. 00:47:16.194 --> 00:47:16.904 Right. Yeah. 00:47:16.944 --> 00:47:17.470 I mean, if you're. 00:47:17.470 --> 00:47:18.115 That's a good tip. 00:47:18.145 --> 00:47:21.145 If you're a birder and if you enjoy photography or 00:47:21.145 --> 00:47:23.185 going out there with your binoculars and looking 00:47:23.185 --> 00:47:25.105 at the chickadees, looking at the sparrows, 00:47:25.105 --> 00:47:26.395 looking at the starlings. 00:47:26.455 --> 00:47:27.134 And the waterfowl. 00:47:27.274 --> 00:47:28.615 And the waterfowl, anything. 00:47:28.985 --> 00:47:30.455 That all helps that right. 00:47:30.975 --> 00:47:33.485 But just on a, on a case in point touching 00:47:33.485 --> 00:47:36.085 Dennis, is like, the other thing that people 00:47:36.085 --> 00:47:40.675 don't realize is how much damage those birds 00:47:40.795 --> 00:47:42.385 do to farmer's crops. 00:47:43.225 --> 00:47:46.335 I've had a farmer come up to me that has 00:47:46.665 --> 00:47:48.235 significant amount of property on Westham 00:47:48.235 --> 00:47:50.385 Island and he's come up to me and he goes, 00:47:50.385 --> 00:47:51.255 Jen's, you know what? 00:47:51.505 --> 00:47:53.305 I didn't get a wink asleep last night. 00:47:53.485 --> 00:47:54.265 And I said, why? 00:47:54.715 --> 00:47:57.115 And he said, do you know what it sounds like to 00:47:57.115 --> 00:48:01.410 have $10,000 get eaten out over two nights. 00:48:01.879 --> 00:48:02.089 Yeah. 00:48:02.089 --> 00:48:03.710 And it's like you sit there and you're 00:48:03.710 --> 00:48:05.330 like, and he's like, can you come and 00:48:05.330 --> 00:48:06.410 pound them out for me? 00:48:06.410 --> 00:48:08.540 And it's like, yeah, I can only do my best, 00:48:08.540 --> 00:48:11.069 but at the same time it's like, that guy is 00:48:11.080 --> 00:48:12.700 losing money, right? 00:48:12.700 --> 00:48:14.910 Are it's, it's getting eaten out, house and 00:48:14.910 --> 00:48:17.779 home every single field, you know, and it's. 00:48:17.779 --> 00:48:19.319 It doesn't take long for a big flock of snow 00:48:19.319 --> 00:48:20.850 geese to annihilate a whole field. 00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:22.319 Well and then they stamp down on the 00:48:22.319 --> 00:48:24.210 ground, the water will sit on the top. 00:48:24.299 --> 00:48:24.810 That's right. 00:48:24.839 --> 00:48:25.339 Yup. 00:48:25.379 --> 00:48:27.450 And then, I mean, and then you go as far as, 00:48:29.370 --> 00:48:32.960 how much damage they do here, and then when they 00:48:33.080 --> 00:48:37.274 migrate back up North into the Tundra, how much 00:48:37.274 --> 00:48:38.354 damage they do up there. 00:48:38.354 --> 00:48:40.064 They're almost eating themselves out of 00:48:40.064 --> 00:48:40.725 house and home. 00:48:40.754 --> 00:48:42.615 They're almost killing themselves off because 00:48:42.615 --> 00:48:44.475 there's so many of them on this, on 00:48:44.475 --> 00:48:47.294 this certain fly away and on, on the mid. 00:48:47.475 --> 00:48:48.165 Central flyway. 00:48:48.194 --> 00:48:50.294 Central flyway and the Mississippi flyway, 00:48:50.294 --> 00:48:50.964 all that stuff. 00:48:51.455 --> 00:48:55.865 That, they're eating the Tundra so fast that it 00:48:55.865 --> 00:48:59.354 can't even regrow back so that the birds can eat 00:48:59.354 --> 00:49:00.345 the next year after that. 00:49:00.345 --> 00:49:01.785 There's just so many of them that they're 00:49:01.785 --> 00:49:05.310 eating so much at the little, the juveniles 00:49:05.550 --> 00:49:06.360 can't survive that. 00:49:06.580 --> 00:49:06.910 Yeah. 00:49:06.910 --> 00:49:08.650 And right now those numbers are just 00:49:08.650 --> 00:49:09.340 out of control. 00:49:09.430 --> 00:49:10.210 They're out of control. 00:49:10.210 --> 00:49:10.570 Yeah. 00:49:10.570 --> 00:49:12.790 Eventually it'll self level one would think. 00:49:13.120 --> 00:49:14.110 Well. Food would run out. 00:49:14.110 --> 00:49:15.650 Something is going to happen, but. 00:49:15.650 --> 00:49:18.240 Trav they had the guys that used to say, you 00:49:18.240 --> 00:49:20.714 know, they wouldn't see a snow goose in the 80's 00:49:20.870 --> 00:49:23.260 and they might see a, you know, they might have, 00:49:24.110 --> 00:49:26.540 you know, 5,000 on the fly away in the 90's, 00:49:26.540 --> 00:49:29.480 here I'm talking Pacific flyway her on our coast. 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.460 And then you generally, and then you just saw the 00:49:32.460 --> 00:49:34.650 explosion happen where you had, you know, where 00:49:34.650 --> 00:49:38.430 the normal was 50,000 now it's at 60,000 now it's 00:49:38.430 --> 00:49:41.260 at, you know, 130,000 on good hatch years 00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:41.900 and stuff like that. 00:49:41.910 --> 00:49:44.690 And now we're used to hear, or see snow 00:49:44.690 --> 00:49:47.900 geese in East Delta, Chilliwack, they're 00:49:47.900 --> 00:49:48.650 up the Valley now. 00:49:48.650 --> 00:49:49.100 Yeah. 00:49:49.100 --> 00:49:50.240 But they never used to be. 00:49:50.420 --> 00:49:52.100 I mean, it used to be, we hunted them 00:49:52.100 --> 00:49:54.240 on the foreshore, we hunted them on Westham 00:49:54.240 --> 00:49:57.109 Island, maybe at Brunswick, that was it. 00:49:57.540 --> 00:49:59.060 Now they're, they've come inland and they're 00:49:59.060 --> 00:50:01.285 like right in the central Ladner, East 00:50:01.285 --> 00:50:03.985 Delta and further out and that, and, and in 00:50:03.985 --> 00:50:06.055 years gone by, that wasn't common to see. 00:50:06.175 --> 00:50:06.655 Yeah. 00:50:06.655 --> 00:50:08.965 But it wasn't common to have a casino or a 00:50:09.245 --> 00:50:12.785 big mega mall or any of that too lot area. 00:50:12.865 --> 00:50:14.035 And it turns out. 00:50:14.575 --> 00:50:16.435 It turns those birds pretty nocturnal 00:50:16.435 --> 00:50:17.035 pretty quick. 00:50:17.035 --> 00:50:19.005 I mean you, you don't get to pound them in 00:50:19.005 --> 00:50:20.595 the daylight hours and they come in at 00:50:20.595 --> 00:50:22.305 night and you can't do anything about that. 00:50:22.305 --> 00:50:24.735 They get so smart, so fast and you have so 00:50:24.735 --> 00:50:26.890 much light pollution around here that they 00:50:26.890 --> 00:50:28.959 can come in and they can, they can feed at 00:50:28.959 --> 00:50:30.609 night and then they'll leave at first light. 00:50:30.640 --> 00:50:31.810 You don't get a crack at them. 00:50:31.810 --> 00:50:33.580 And thats a good example Jens, I mean 00:50:33.580 --> 00:50:36.609 right by my shop is right where highway 99 00:50:36.609 --> 00:50:38.319 and highway 17 meet. 00:50:38.529 --> 00:50:38.890 Yeah. 00:50:38.890 --> 00:50:41.450 And they have those big light halos at the, 00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:45.000 at the interchanges and behind the shop 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.580 at night it's, fields lit and the snow geese 00:50:47.580 --> 00:50:49.634 would come in there at night, every night. 00:50:50.555 --> 00:50:52.085 And they, it was just like, it was daylight 00:50:52.085 --> 00:50:53.685 there for them, it didn't phase them. 00:50:53.805 --> 00:50:55.715 You wait till the slot machines go up down 00:50:55.715 --> 00:50:57.025 the road, even worse. 00:50:57.515 --> 00:50:57.945 Even worse. 00:50:57.945 --> 00:50:58.415 Thanks Mr. 00:50:58.415 --> 00:50:58.915 Toygo. 00:50:59.075 --> 00:50:59.575 Yeah. 00:50:59.705 --> 00:51:00.245 Shout out. 00:51:00.485 --> 00:51:01.205 Shout out bud. 00:51:01.924 --> 00:51:02.555 Make your money. 00:51:02.805 --> 00:51:05.485 And another thing that hunters can do to, to 00:51:05.495 --> 00:51:07.775 help themselves too is, we talked about it 00:51:07.775 --> 00:51:11.185 earlier, was pick up after themselves right. 00:51:11.215 --> 00:51:14.714 You know, earlier we mentioned like, if you 00:51:14.714 --> 00:51:16.500 saw something wrong with the property, a tree 00:51:16.500 --> 00:51:18.729 down on a fence or you know, beaver damn in 00:51:18.750 --> 00:51:19.470 the ditch or whatever. 00:51:19.470 --> 00:51:21.240 But I mean, that's part of it, you go 00:51:21.240 --> 00:51:23.140 out there and you have the privilege to, to 00:51:23.160 --> 00:51:25.230 hunt on whether it'd be public land or 00:51:25.230 --> 00:51:28.950 private land, try not to leave the big mess. 00:51:28.970 --> 00:51:30.859 I mean, I get it, some of the casings, they go 00:51:30.859 --> 00:51:32.660 off on the side and you don't find them in the 00:51:32.660 --> 00:51:36.040 long grass, but if you want to be welcomed back 00:51:36.040 --> 00:51:38.109 there or you want to keep hunting open in the area, 00:51:38.109 --> 00:51:40.299 you got to kind of pick up after yourself too so. 00:51:40.520 --> 00:51:40.930 Yes. 00:51:40.930 --> 00:51:42.549 You know, pick up your, pickup, your 00:51:42.549 --> 00:51:44.259 casings, pick up your lunch rappers. 00:51:44.259 --> 00:51:47.879 It's, you know, make it nice as it as it 00:51:47.879 --> 00:51:50.220 can be, or nicer than when you got there. 00:51:50.759 --> 00:51:51.540 And that's the problem. 00:51:51.540 --> 00:51:54.029 Like I've gone to doors and banged on a door 00:51:54.029 --> 00:51:56.040 and asked for permission and, and it's a farmer 00:51:56.040 --> 00:51:57.990 I don't know, it's in an area I don't know. 00:51:57.990 --> 00:51:59.609 And that, and the answer is no. 00:52:00.075 --> 00:52:00.285 Hmm. 00:52:00.285 --> 00:52:02.965 Because the previous hunter, there was a 00:52:02.965 --> 00:52:03.835 slob hunter, right. 00:52:04.165 --> 00:52:05.425 We'll use this, use that term. 00:52:05.425 --> 00:52:07.465 It didn't pick up after themselves left 00:52:07.465 --> 00:52:10.045 there, you know, pizza box behind or whatever 00:52:10.045 --> 00:52:12.145 they had for lunch and beer can layin in 00:52:12.145 --> 00:52:12.985 the blind or whatever. 00:52:12.985 --> 00:52:14.845 And so the farmer's like, nah, I'm not, 00:52:14.875 --> 00:52:16.465 not interested in going through that 00:52:16.465 --> 00:52:17.365 scenario again. 00:52:17.965 --> 00:52:21.705 So ya know, the hunters need to help 00:52:21.705 --> 00:52:24.885 themselves by, you know, looking after 00:52:24.885 --> 00:52:26.415 the piece of property that are hunting on. 00:52:26.415 --> 00:52:28.095 And like I said, it doesn't necessarily have 00:52:28.095 --> 00:52:30.640 to be private land, even on the public lands. 00:52:30.640 --> 00:52:31.109 Yeah. 00:52:31.109 --> 00:52:31.269 Mhmm. 00:52:31.269 --> 00:52:32.640 And there's lots of times they'll go to 00:52:32.640 --> 00:52:35.490 a spot and all that's pretty commonly used 00:52:35.490 --> 00:52:36.810 by duck hunters, and you'll go there and 00:52:36.810 --> 00:52:38.640 there's casings from the previous guy there 00:52:38.640 --> 00:52:40.259 and you're like, ah, come on man, and you're 00:52:40.259 --> 00:52:42.870 going to fill a half of a five gallon pail, and. 00:52:43.140 --> 00:52:44.640 I pick him up. 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:45.470 Yeah. 00:52:45.470 --> 00:52:47.580 You don't have to be the superhero 00:52:47.580 --> 00:52:48.240 and stuff like that. 00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:50.279 There's Marsh cleanups and stuff, but at the 00:52:50.279 --> 00:52:51.930 same time, it doesn't have to be your mess to 00:52:51.930 --> 00:52:52.950 pick it up either, right. 00:52:52.950 --> 00:52:54.379 Because. Cause it'll affect you. 00:52:54.379 --> 00:52:55.990 It's all, it's all, it's all the duck 00:52:56.009 --> 00:52:56.850 Juju too, right? 00:52:56.850 --> 00:52:59.200 Like it's, I mean, if you pick up 12 casings, 00:52:59.220 --> 00:53:00.690 you're probably going to shoot your limited ducks. 00:53:00.770 --> 00:53:02.190 Cause that's, I mean, that's how I put it. 00:53:02.190 --> 00:53:04.320 If you pick up three Tim Horton's cups and a pizza 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:05.940 box and stuff like that, you probably gonna get 00:53:05.940 --> 00:53:08.140 some, some good flocks comin your way, right? 00:53:08.140 --> 00:53:08.550 Yeah. 00:53:08.550 --> 00:53:08.850 Yup. 00:53:08.850 --> 00:53:10.650 Not going to happen all the time, but I mean. 00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:12.870 Better to be on the good side than the 00:53:12.870 --> 00:53:13.920 bad side anyways. 00:53:14.130 --> 00:53:16.410 And on the public side, I, I'd like to circle 00:53:16.410 --> 00:53:18.029 back to your story there, Dennis, with 00:53:18.029 --> 00:53:20.340 the person taking the video, because I remember 00:53:20.370 --> 00:53:22.110 seeing that video and there's a bit of an 00:53:22.110 --> 00:53:24.230 uproar and I remember watching, it's like, it 00:53:24.230 --> 00:53:25.660 was hard to see in the video, but I'm like, I 00:53:25.660 --> 00:53:26.500 think I know that guy. 00:53:27.190 --> 00:53:27.850 I'm looking at it. 00:53:27.850 --> 00:53:29.290 I got a pretty distinct profile. 00:53:30.640 --> 00:53:33.580 And I watch it, and although there was 00:53:33.580 --> 00:53:36.160 negativity surrounding it at first. 00:53:36.955 --> 00:53:38.634 I was really impressed with what 00:53:38.634 --> 00:53:40.105 you did afterwards. 00:53:40.105 --> 00:53:41.845 You did the interview with the media, you 00:53:41.904 --> 00:53:45.225 educated them as to what people are allowed 00:53:45.225 --> 00:53:46.875 to do, what you were doing out there. 00:53:47.504 --> 00:53:51.265 And I think, whether you're the type of person 00:53:51.294 --> 00:53:53.964 to case your firearm or to tuck away your 00:53:53.964 --> 00:53:57.794 harvest or to have it out displayed, engaging 00:53:57.794 --> 00:53:59.895 the public when you're out there, educating 00:53:59.895 --> 00:54:01.845 them what you're doing and why you're doing 00:54:01.845 --> 00:54:04.334 that, just even if it's just a nod, Hey, how are 00:54:04.334 --> 00:54:05.535 you doing?The friendly. 00:54:05.774 --> 00:54:06.825 Always try to be friendly. 00:54:06.825 --> 00:54:08.654 And that's what most of it is on the dyke there 00:54:08.654 --> 00:54:10.875 too, unless I mean that people that are going 00:54:10.875 --> 00:54:12.674 to give you a scowling look most of the time, 00:54:12.674 --> 00:54:14.384 even when you're walking on the streets without a 00:54:14.384 --> 00:54:16.194 gun or without stuff like that someone's going to. 00:54:16.194 --> 00:54:17.095 Give you in your cammo. 00:54:17.095 --> 00:54:18.355 Someone's going to give you, you 00:54:18.355 --> 00:54:19.225 know, a bitch face. 00:54:19.225 --> 00:54:20.634 I'm not going to really give you the time 00:54:20.634 --> 00:54:21.415 of day either right? 00:54:21.415 --> 00:54:21.595 Yeah. 00:54:21.595 --> 00:54:24.205 But at the same time, it's, it's important to, 00:54:24.544 --> 00:54:27.325 you know, let, let the people know that you're 00:54:27.325 --> 00:54:29.754 there and you're doing everything legal and 00:54:29.754 --> 00:54:31.825 everything's cool and you're not going there 00:54:31.825 --> 00:54:32.935 to hurt nobody I mean. 00:54:33.234 --> 00:54:35.365 Even that smile, that little bit of outreach 00:54:35.365 --> 00:54:37.105 and all of a sudden, maybe you're not just 00:54:37.105 --> 00:54:38.365 a scary guy with a gun. 00:54:38.395 --> 00:54:38.875 Yeah. Okay. 00:54:38.875 --> 00:54:39.375 Got it. 00:54:39.415 --> 00:54:39.915 Yeah. 00:54:39.975 --> 00:54:42.705 I can, I completely, I, I can see where it comes 00:54:42.705 --> 00:54:44.475 from both sides where you know, where you've 00:54:44.475 --> 00:54:47.345 got a guy walking with a gun and you might not 00:54:47.345 --> 00:54:50.225 be comfortable around guns, just like most of 00:54:50.225 --> 00:54:52.025 the general public's not because they're unaware 00:54:52.025 --> 00:54:53.465 of what it can do. 00:54:53.955 --> 00:54:56.945 But yeah, just a simple smile or a good morning 00:54:56.945 --> 00:54:58.895 or have a good day, have a good rest of the 00:54:58.895 --> 00:55:01.125 walk and be on your way. 00:55:01.125 --> 00:55:04.045 And that's kinda, I think the most of the general 00:55:04.045 --> 00:55:05.845 public along these dykes and stuff like 00:55:05.845 --> 00:55:06.805 that, they kind of know. 00:55:07.025 --> 00:55:07.105 Yeah. 00:55:07.105 --> 00:55:09.395 They, they're, it's not their first rodeo 00:55:09.395 --> 00:55:12.565 and most of the time, if it's a guy coming 00:55:12.565 --> 00:55:14.605 down from Vancouver with his Mazzarati and 00:55:14.605 --> 00:55:17.695 Starbucks wants to walk his Chihuahua on the 00:55:17.695 --> 00:55:19.735 dyke and he might have a problem with it, but at 00:55:19.735 --> 00:55:22.005 the same time, it might just take two minutes 00:55:22.005 --> 00:55:23.865 of education and he might be on your side. 00:55:23.865 --> 00:55:24.675 You never know right. 00:55:24.705 --> 00:55:25.475 So. Yeah. 00:55:25.634 --> 00:55:26.134 Yup. 00:55:26.445 --> 00:55:29.945 Well, we've talked about etiquette, some tips, 00:55:29.945 --> 00:55:31.565 some really good tips actually, if people 00:55:31.565 --> 00:55:32.735 are really listening to this, there's some 00:55:32.735 --> 00:55:37.335 great takeaways and educating the public. 00:55:37.695 --> 00:55:39.705 Before we wrap things up, is there anything that 00:55:39.705 --> 00:55:41.245 we should get out there? 00:55:41.245 --> 00:55:42.615 Anything that we haven't talked about that, 00:55:42.995 --> 00:55:43.865 should probably be said? 00:55:43.865 --> 00:55:47.075 I don't know. 00:55:47.125 --> 00:55:50.075 I think it, I think just based on. 00:55:51.835 --> 00:55:53.455 I mean, we've only kind of touched on the 00:55:53.455 --> 00:55:54.654 Delta, Ladner area. 00:55:54.654 --> 00:55:56.214 I mean, there's lots of other places to hunt 00:55:56.214 --> 00:55:58.915 waterfowl in ya know, Langley, White Rock, 00:55:58.915 --> 00:56:02.395 Surrey, Pitt Meadows, Cloverdale, Chillwack, 00:56:02.415 --> 00:56:03.435 all those things, right? 00:56:03.734 --> 00:56:04.685 You can go anywhere. 00:56:05.495 --> 00:56:08.089 I would just encourage people if, if they 00:56:08.089 --> 00:56:09.799 want to get into the sport, don't be 00:56:09.799 --> 00:56:11.600 afraid to jump in it. 00:56:11.600 --> 00:56:13.750 It is an expensive hobby to do and stuff 00:56:13.750 --> 00:56:16.779 like that, it will, it is an addiction. 00:56:16.899 --> 00:56:19.390 Once you get into it, it, it's an addiction. 00:56:19.390 --> 00:56:20.770 So if you have a significant other, 00:56:20.770 --> 00:56:23.355 just make sure that they're ready, ready 00:56:23.355 --> 00:56:26.295 for, ready for that addiction to start and 00:56:26.295 --> 00:56:27.085 ready for, you know. 00:56:27.145 --> 00:56:28.815 Ready for that three in the morning, jumping out 00:56:28.815 --> 00:56:30.685 of bed, where are you going on this stormy. 00:56:30.685 --> 00:56:31.515 Exactly. 00:56:31.605 --> 00:56:33.825 Ready to squirrel away a little extra money for 00:56:33.825 --> 00:56:36.435 a gun or some extra ammo or something like that. 00:56:36.435 --> 00:56:39.115 But I would just say, just remember you're 00:56:39.115 --> 00:56:41.245 representing all of us when you're out there. 00:56:41.305 --> 00:56:42.775 It's not your, you're representing 00:56:42.775 --> 00:56:44.995 yourself, but you're also representing 00:56:45.055 --> 00:56:46.025 all of us out there. 00:56:46.025 --> 00:56:49.675 So, if you treat wildlife and our resource and our 00:56:49.675 --> 00:56:52.435 environment with a good hand, then I think it all 00:56:52.465 --> 00:56:53.775 repay itself in the end. 00:56:54.655 --> 00:56:58.715 The other thing I'd, I'd touch on is if right now 00:56:58.715 --> 00:57:01.055 with the world that we're living in, everything 00:57:01.055 --> 00:57:01.925 is getting developed. 00:57:01.925 --> 00:57:05.335 Everything is getting overexposed. 00:57:05.355 --> 00:57:07.935 We're dealing with tons of stuff against our 00:57:07.935 --> 00:57:09.675 own environment here in British Columbia, 00:57:09.675 --> 00:57:12.045 people move here to see what we have and 00:57:12.045 --> 00:57:13.185 what we have to offer. 00:57:13.815 --> 00:57:16.615 And right now we're, we're moving in a 00:57:16.645 --> 00:57:18.535 certain direction to where we don't care 00:57:18.535 --> 00:57:20.455 about our wildlife, is what I'm seeing. 00:57:20.815 --> 00:57:22.435 I might be a little bit biased, but with our 00:57:22.435 --> 00:57:24.955 government and stuff like that, BC is one 00:57:24.955 --> 00:57:28.145 of the most renowned places to come to 00:57:28.145 --> 00:57:29.105 in the whole world. 00:57:29.105 --> 00:57:31.325 We live in the best place in the whole world. 00:57:31.475 --> 00:57:31.955 Yeah, agreed. 00:57:31.955 --> 00:57:34.085 And if we don't start caring about our 00:57:34.085 --> 00:57:37.859 wetlands, our oceans, I, and I'm not given 00:57:37.859 --> 00:57:39.990 a Greenpeace speech or anything like that, all 00:57:39.990 --> 00:57:42.180 I'm asking is that you give maybe 20 minutes 00:57:42.180 --> 00:57:45.879 of your time at, at on, maybe sign a petition or 00:57:45.879 --> 00:57:47.459 maybe go to a meeting. 00:57:48.200 --> 00:57:50.859 We're losing a lot of a lot of stuff 00:57:51.319 --> 00:57:52.350 each and every day. 00:57:52.500 --> 00:57:56.375 Whether it's to do with coal pollution or 00:57:56.524 --> 00:57:59.544 loss of foreshore or loss of public ground 00:57:59.544 --> 00:58:02.124 to hunt on, even big game or waterfowl. 00:58:02.634 --> 00:58:05.305 I suggest that you get involved in that, and 00:58:05.305 --> 00:58:07.555 especially if you're a newcomer because it's 00:58:07.555 --> 00:58:09.895 for the, the newer comers that, it's for 00:58:09.895 --> 00:58:11.814 our kids and their kids that are happening. 00:58:12.174 --> 00:58:16.265 If we lose that, then well, not, we're not the 00:58:16.265 --> 00:58:17.194 same British Columbia. 00:58:17.194 --> 00:58:19.475 We're not the same Delta, we're not the 00:58:19.475 --> 00:58:22.415 same Langley, we're not the same area anymore. 00:58:22.415 --> 00:58:22.565 Right. 00:58:22.565 --> 00:58:24.245 One of the biggest things I think that hurts us 00:58:24.425 --> 00:58:27.385 as hunters is hunters bickering with hunters. 00:58:28.015 --> 00:58:28.515 Ugh. 00:58:28.515 --> 00:58:29.025 Social media. 00:58:29.025 --> 00:58:29.685 We're never going to cure that one. 00:58:29.715 --> 00:58:31.555 Social media is the worst thing in the world. 00:58:31.775 --> 00:58:32.195 Yeah. 00:58:32.195 --> 00:58:34.835 Because you know, the hunters are, are 00:58:34.835 --> 00:58:36.515 bickering back and forth between each 00:58:36.515 --> 00:58:39.745 other and, we're not sticking together. 00:58:40.675 --> 00:58:44.045 So you know, we're, we're imploding ourselves. 00:58:44.925 --> 00:58:47.940 You know, whereas the, we'll call them the, 00:58:47.940 --> 00:58:50.620 leaf lickers is what I usually refer to them as. 00:58:50.620 --> 00:58:50.990 What was that? 00:58:50.990 --> 00:58:52.090 The leaf leaf lickers. 00:58:52.110 --> 00:58:53.350 Oh. I like leaf lickers. 00:58:53.380 --> 00:58:54.800 I haven't heard that one. 00:58:55.250 --> 00:58:58.170 You know, they, they don't understand hunting. 00:58:58.170 --> 00:58:59.700 We try our best to educate them you 00:58:59.700 --> 00:59:00.570 know, some of us guys. 00:59:00.570 --> 00:59:06.260 But, but for the most part, it's, it's our own 00:59:07.290 --> 00:59:09.720 bickering back and forth between hunter, hunter 00:59:09.720 --> 00:59:12.180 versus hunter and this group versus that group, 00:59:12.180 --> 00:59:14.730 whether it be BC Wildlife Federation and resident 00:59:14.730 --> 00:59:16.440 hunters of British Columbia, whatever, 00:59:16.690 --> 00:59:17.730 bickering back and forth. 00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:22.210 The, the, the end result is or do 00:59:22.210 --> 00:59:24.670 what we do because we enjoy wildlife. 00:59:24.700 --> 00:59:26.470 We enjoy being out in the, out in the 00:59:26.470 --> 00:59:28.570 wilderness, whether it be fishing, hunting, hiking, 00:59:28.570 --> 00:59:29.950 trapping, whatever it is. 00:59:30.705 --> 00:59:33.175 But if we just learned to, you know, stop, 00:59:33.175 --> 00:59:37.295 think, listen a little bit and and, and pitch 00:59:37.315 --> 00:59:39.655 in and the, and the big thing is like, 00:59:39.775 --> 00:59:42.575 the worst thing to, that I come across as 00:59:42.575 --> 00:59:45.635 the keyboard warrior and, and I put my time 00:59:45.635 --> 00:59:47.015 in, I go to meetings. 00:59:47.195 --> 00:59:49.505 I've, I sat on the board of the Federation, I 00:59:49.505 --> 00:59:51.515 was a director for BC Wildlife Federation 00:59:51.515 --> 00:59:53.795 for the longest time, even after I was the 00:59:53.795 --> 00:59:54.665 regional president. 00:59:55.355 --> 00:59:59.330 We go, we put our time in and you put 00:59:59.330 --> 01:00:01.220 all that work in and then somebody squishes 01:00:01.220 --> 01:00:03.830 everything you did and it's, it's like, man, 01:00:03.860 --> 01:00:04.880 what did I do that for? 01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:07.160 Like why did I work so hard so somebody 01:00:07.160 --> 01:00:07.820 could stop me? 01:00:09.055 --> 01:00:11.275 And what it boiled down to is the keyboard 01:00:11.275 --> 01:00:15.085 warrior and, and I, I'll question them quite 01:00:15.085 --> 01:00:18.095 often like, Hey, I, I see you're complaining, 01:00:19.125 --> 01:00:20.835 I've never seen you at a meeting before. 01:00:21.355 --> 01:00:21.805 Yeah. 01:00:21.805 --> 01:00:22.555 Yeah. Right. 01:00:22.555 --> 01:00:23.224 Why don't you. Put in your time. 01:00:23.224 --> 01:00:25.855 Why don't you come out to a meeting and 01:00:25.855 --> 01:00:26.665 put your time in? 01:00:27.455 --> 01:00:29.435 Well, I don't, I don't do that. 01:00:29.435 --> 01:00:30.575 I'd rather just do it from here. 01:00:30.605 --> 01:00:32.135 Well, you don't have all the facts, so 01:00:32.135 --> 01:00:33.875 please get the facts before you start. 01:00:34.285 --> 01:00:35.194 The thing, the thing. 01:00:35.194 --> 01:00:35.694 Typing on the keyboard. 01:00:35.694 --> 01:00:39.194 That the social does is it gives, it 01:00:39.194 --> 01:00:40.185 gives a perception. 01:00:40.185 --> 01:00:42.765 It puts, it, you put yourself out there, when 01:00:42.765 --> 01:00:44.714 you make comments or when you post something or 01:00:44.714 --> 01:00:46.575 whatever, you're going to put yourself out 01:00:46.575 --> 01:00:48.254 there, but you better be educated when you 01:00:48.254 --> 01:00:49.305 put yourself out there. 01:00:49.665 --> 01:00:52.845 I have guys, I got guys direct message 01:00:52.845 --> 01:00:54.884 me all the time, Hey man, like where'd 01:00:54.884 --> 01:00:55.575 you shoot your birds? 01:00:55.575 --> 01:00:56.984 How do you shoot that many birds? 01:00:57.194 --> 01:00:58.035 How are you so good? 01:00:58.035 --> 01:00:58.355 How are you? 01:00:58.355 --> 01:00:58.875 Blah, blah, blah. 01:00:59.115 --> 01:01:02.055 I said, you know what the best duck hunters I know 01:01:02.115 --> 01:01:03.375 don't have social media. 01:01:03.995 --> 01:01:05.765 They don't do social media, they're an old 01:01:05.765 --> 01:01:07.625 guy that goes out in his boat every day 01:01:07.625 --> 01:01:09.814 and shoots his limit of ducks or he shoots 01:01:09.814 --> 01:01:11.524 four ducks and he's content with that and he 01:01:11.524 --> 01:01:13.444 stops after four cause that's all he can eat. 01:01:13.774 --> 01:01:14.705 Or that's all he wants. 01:01:14.705 --> 01:01:16.805 And he's, and he's, he's learned, like he's 01:01:16.805 --> 01:01:17.765 followed the pattern. 01:01:17.765 --> 01:01:21.725 He's done his homework, he's scouted, he's, 01:01:21.875 --> 01:01:24.064 he's comfortable with how you, you know, his 01:01:24.064 --> 01:01:25.145 shooting capabilities. 01:01:25.145 --> 01:01:27.035 He lets the birds get him to 40 yards, 01:01:27.569 --> 01:01:30.029 he, you know, knows how to set up decoys. 01:01:30.029 --> 01:01:31.560 He's a competent caller. 01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:34.490 You know, you go onto the marsh some days and 01:01:34.490 --> 01:01:35.960 there's a guy with a duck call and you're like, you 01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:37.160 just want to get in your boat and drive over and 01:01:37.160 --> 01:01:38.970 cram it down his throat because it's just like. 01:01:39.040 --> 01:01:39.490 Scares the birds away. 01:01:39.490 --> 01:01:42.330 It doesn't even sound like a duck. 01:01:42.970 --> 01:01:46.190 You know, but everybody's got to learn somewhere. 01:01:46.330 --> 01:01:48.190 So the social platform, I mean. 01:01:48.935 --> 01:01:50.705 It's like, here I've caught, I caught this 01:01:50.705 --> 01:01:52.175 fish, and then the next guy posts, Hey, I 01:01:52.175 --> 01:01:52.955 caught a bigger fish. 01:01:52.955 --> 01:01:54.275 Hey, I've got a bigger fish, hey, I 01:01:54.315 --> 01:01:55.745 got a bigger fish, I caught a bigger fish. 01:01:55.775 --> 01:01:58.145 Well, man, good luck, good, good job, man. 01:01:58.145 --> 01:02:00.595 Because the, the 70 year old guy that did it 01:02:00.595 --> 01:02:02.464 in the 80s that caught twice as big as fish 01:02:02.464 --> 01:02:03.355 as you, don't care. 01:02:03.955 --> 01:02:05.515 And neither do half of the other ones. 01:02:05.515 --> 01:02:08.220 But at the same time, it's, you're only 01:02:08.220 --> 01:02:10.680 representing yourself in, in that type of way. 01:02:10.680 --> 01:02:12.509 So if you want to be that guy, you go ahead 01:02:12.509 --> 01:02:14.009 and be that guy, you're gonna shoot yourself 01:02:14.009 --> 01:02:15.089 in your own foot right? 01:02:15.230 --> 01:02:15.680 So. 01:02:15.680 --> 01:02:16.180 Yeah. 01:02:16.399 --> 01:02:18.440 But at the same time, you can also move in a 01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:21.589 more positive direction and guiding people 01:02:21.589 --> 01:02:24.290 or helping, helping people know the rules 01:02:24.290 --> 01:02:26.609 or, you know, maybe helping them out with 01:02:26.609 --> 01:02:28.379 a little extra info or something like that. 01:02:28.620 --> 01:02:30.240 But the real warriors are the guys that are 01:02:30.240 --> 01:02:32.640 going to bat every, every, every day for us. 01:02:33.379 --> 01:02:35.924 Whether it's contributing to BC Wildlife or, 01:02:35.924 --> 01:02:38.404 or go to, you know, region 2 meetings or 01:02:38.404 --> 01:02:40.725 region 3 meetings or region 5 meetings. 01:02:40.725 --> 01:02:42.944 They're all, it's all important to here in BC. 01:02:42.944 --> 01:02:45.915 It's not just this local aspect to it. 01:02:45.915 --> 01:02:48.315 I mean, it's, it, it goes as far as Cranbrook, 01:02:48.315 --> 01:02:50.055 Prince George, all the way up there right. 01:02:51.265 --> 01:02:53.384 All the way through our natural resources, and 01:02:53.384 --> 01:02:56.205 right now, the way that I see it going and stuff 01:02:56.205 --> 01:02:58.515 like that, it's kind of getting put in the back 01:02:58.515 --> 01:03:00.285 pocket and we really don't care about it. 01:03:00.285 --> 01:03:02.955 And all the leaf lickers as Dennis would say, when 01:03:02.955 --> 01:03:05.355 the, when the hunters and the fishermen battle 01:03:05.355 --> 01:03:06.735 against each other, they just sit there 01:03:06.735 --> 01:03:08.535 with a bowl of popcorn and love it, right? 01:03:08.535 --> 01:03:09.855 They just eat it all up, right. 01:03:09.855 --> 01:03:11.835 They, they, they want to see us turn against 01:03:11.835 --> 01:03:15.880 each other and I get it, we're in a, we're, 01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:18.040 it's, it's a sport and it's competitive. 01:03:18.160 --> 01:03:20.350 People want to be at the top of the chain. 01:03:20.350 --> 01:03:22.120 They want to, they want to go out there 01:03:22.120 --> 01:03:24.009 and people want to be successful though too. 01:03:24.160 --> 01:03:26.060 And don't get me wrong, there are only, the 01:03:26.080 --> 01:03:27.490 only way that you're going to be successful 01:03:27.490 --> 01:03:29.860 is by going out there and repetition, doing it 01:03:29.890 --> 01:03:31.030 lots and lots of times. 01:03:31.060 --> 01:03:33.220 But in saying that Jens' and as you go out there 01:03:33.220 --> 01:03:34.690 and I don't know, and it's happened to me 01:03:34.690 --> 01:03:36.970 many times and then same with you, you and I have 01:03:36.970 --> 01:03:38.140 hunted together before. 01:03:38.785 --> 01:03:40.495 And you go out there on a day and 01:03:40.495 --> 01:03:41.274 you don't get any. 01:03:41.575 --> 01:03:42.055 Oh yeah. 01:03:42.055 --> 01:03:43.345 But you still learn something. 01:03:43.375 --> 01:03:43.884 Oh, did. 01:03:44.214 --> 01:03:46.194 You know, I think the definition of success 01:03:46.375 --> 01:03:49.265 has to be what you're talking about there, is 01:03:49.265 --> 01:03:52.725 social media sometimes skews success as, well 01:03:52.725 --> 01:03:54.225 you have to have a pickup truck full of birds. 01:03:54.225 --> 01:03:54.595 Yeah. 01:03:54.595 --> 01:03:56.205 Or you got to have the biggest fish, 01:03:56.235 --> 01:03:57.285 but success is what? 01:03:57.405 --> 01:03:58.605 Did you go there and have fun? 01:03:58.605 --> 01:03:59.665 Yeah. Did you learn something? 01:03:59.745 --> 01:04:01.725 Yeah. Did you make some bonds? 01:04:01.815 --> 01:04:03.705 Well and look at Jens', says he had a pickup 01:04:03.705 --> 01:04:06.225 truck full of full of birds or, or you know, 01:04:06.225 --> 01:04:08.415 your sleds full of green heads that you shot 01:04:08.415 --> 01:04:09.165 that day sort of thing. 01:04:10.210 --> 01:04:12.480 We didn't come by that easily, we've worked 01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:13.500 our way to that. 01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:15.900 We learned, it's called the Knoxville life, 01:04:15.900 --> 01:04:16.770 the knox of hunting. 01:04:16.770 --> 01:04:18.480 You go out and you learn, Oh, I didn't do it right. 01:04:19.020 --> 01:04:22.845 Biggest thing guys can learn is, go 01:04:22.855 --> 01:04:24.645 get permission, go hunt private land 01:04:24.645 --> 01:04:25.425 doesn't really matter. 01:04:25.735 --> 01:04:28.285 Biggest thing is scouting, concealment 01:04:29.255 --> 01:04:30.245 and decoy placement. 01:04:30.745 --> 01:04:32.575 And then the fourth would be learn your 01:04:32.575 --> 01:04:33.575 firearm, right Jens? 01:04:33.675 --> 01:04:35.005 Oh, and you're calling and all that 01:04:35.005 --> 01:04:35.695 stuff too right? 01:04:35.695 --> 01:04:37.405 That com, that, calling comes with time. 01:04:37.405 --> 01:04:38.735 But yeah, biggest thing is like, how 01:04:38.735 --> 01:04:39.665 did you do so well? 01:04:40.135 --> 01:04:41.995 And I've always said that I've put my time 01:04:41.995 --> 01:04:44.125 in scouting, put by, you know, fuel in the 01:04:44.125 --> 01:04:45.445 tank, miles on the truck. 01:04:46.135 --> 01:04:48.955 When you get there, make your hide as most 01:04:48.955 --> 01:04:49.944 natural as you can. 01:04:49.944 --> 01:04:52.165 So you use hide around you to build your blind. 01:04:52.995 --> 01:04:54.625 You laugh at these, some of these guys, you go 01:04:54.625 --> 01:04:56.544 by and you'll see a nice goose spread out in the 01:04:56.544 --> 01:04:59.095 field somewhere, and this blind sticks out like you 01:04:59.095 --> 01:05:01.464 took your hammer to your thumb and stuck it out in 01:05:01.464 --> 01:05:02.154 the middle of the field. 01:05:02.575 --> 01:05:04.705 It's got, it's yellow and a green field 01:05:04.734 --> 01:05:06.115 sort of thing, right? 01:05:06.115 --> 01:05:09.084 So one of the biggest thing is concealment. 01:05:09.115 --> 01:05:12.710 If you, if you stay hidden and match what 01:05:12.710 --> 01:05:14.810 the terrain around you is, here's your 01:05:14.810 --> 01:05:16.820 success rate most likely it's going to go up. 01:05:18.080 --> 01:05:19.910 Yeah, and you'll learn, you'll learn from that. 01:05:19.910 --> 01:05:21.650 That's succ, that's another thing of 01:05:21.650 --> 01:05:23.600 successfulness is like when you go out there 01:05:23.600 --> 01:05:26.480 and you see birds flaring off you or, or your, your 01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:29.240 down or your upwind of an elk and it smells you, 01:05:29.270 --> 01:05:29.950 you know what I mean? 01:05:30.009 --> 01:05:31.430 You're going to learn from that experience 01:05:31.430 --> 01:05:33.020 when you've got a big six point bull walking 01:05:33.020 --> 01:05:34.580 in front of you and you're on the wrong 01:05:34.580 --> 01:05:35.360 side of the wind. 01:05:35.610 --> 01:05:36.140 Well, Hey, man. 01:05:36.140 --> 01:05:36.990 Off in heart beat 01:05:36.990 --> 01:05:38.070 Yeah, that thing takes off. 01:05:38.070 --> 01:05:40.500 Well, I bet you if you're, if you're 01:05:40.500 --> 01:05:42.000 into it, you're gonna learn from that 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:42.830 experience right. 01:05:43.230 --> 01:05:46.180 Same with whatever, moose calling, or when 01:05:46.180 --> 01:05:47.290 you show up in the rut. 01:05:47.650 --> 01:05:50.170 It's not just to do with that, it's getting to 01:05:50.170 --> 01:05:52.450 know what you really want to get into, right? 01:05:52.450 --> 01:05:54.880 So the more you know about it and the more you 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:56.740 experience it, the better you're going to be. 01:05:56.740 --> 01:05:58.870 And it doesn't mean that you need to put 01:05:59.180 --> 01:06:00.560 eight green heads on the tailgate. 01:06:00.560 --> 01:06:01.820 Doesn't mean that you need to have a six 01:06:01.820 --> 01:06:04.280 point bull hanging in your, in your man cave. 01:06:04.620 --> 01:06:06.010 Doesn't mean that you need to catch the 01:06:06.010 --> 01:06:06.830 biggest steelhead. 01:06:06.850 --> 01:06:09.860 And, but it does mean that you can go out there 01:06:09.860 --> 01:06:12.100 and you can have a good time doing it and enjoy. 01:06:12.100 --> 01:06:12.500 The outdoors. What it. 01:06:12.500 --> 01:06:12.850 The process. 01:06:12.850 --> 01:06:15.225 You know, w what, what it has to offer. 01:06:15.225 --> 01:06:15.495 Yeah. 01:06:15.495 --> 01:06:17.145 You learn every time out there. 01:06:17.385 --> 01:06:19.395 Every time you can learn something new out there. 01:06:19.395 --> 01:06:21.885 I mean, and there ain't, there ain't a time that 01:06:21.885 --> 01:06:24.815 I haven't went out and, I go out a lot, where 01:06:24.815 --> 01:06:27.945 you don't learn something and now you get it. 01:06:27.975 --> 01:06:30.795 You get guys that at certain stages in there, 01:06:31.285 --> 01:06:32.895 I guess you could say their hunting career 01:06:32.895 --> 01:06:35.535 or their fishing career where they're successful. 01:06:36.345 --> 01:06:38.535 But they want to share their success and 01:06:38.565 --> 01:06:39.795 show other people. 01:06:39.795 --> 01:06:42.225 They get more, they get more gratitude with 01:06:42.945 --> 01:06:45.195 bringing other people out there and watching 01:06:45.195 --> 01:06:48.645 them light up on, on, you know, hooking a steelhead 01:06:48.665 --> 01:06:52.205 or, or shooting a couple of wigeon or, you know, 01:06:52.555 --> 01:06:55.315 watching birds work or bugling in an elk, 01:06:55.315 --> 01:06:55.945 you know what I mean? 01:06:55.945 --> 01:06:57.565 Like that, all that stuff, just talking 01:06:57.565 --> 01:07:00.115 about that stuffs makes the hair on my back oo, 01:07:00.485 --> 01:07:01.795 my neck stand up right. 01:07:01.795 --> 01:07:04.555 So, and then when you see a, a new comer, or 01:07:04.555 --> 01:07:06.775 even even a guy that's just been in it for 01:07:06.805 --> 01:07:09.025 five to six years and you've already seen the 01:07:09.025 --> 01:07:10.905 show, you've already seen that Cirque de 01:07:10.905 --> 01:07:13.905 Solei parade plenty of times, but they haven't. 01:07:14.285 --> 01:07:14.545 Right. 01:07:14.545 --> 01:07:15.935 And then, you know, they're hooting and 01:07:15.935 --> 01:07:17.735 hollering after it all is successes. 01:07:17.735 --> 01:07:19.815 I mean, that's, that's, that's when 01:07:19.815 --> 01:07:21.285 you know that you're doing something right. 01:07:21.384 --> 01:07:22.755 Hell, I still hoot and holler when 01:07:22.755 --> 01:07:23.935 I get one down. 01:07:24.984 --> 01:07:27.115 Every time, buddy, every time. 01:07:27.475 --> 01:07:29.185 I told you it's an addiction, you 01:07:29.185 --> 01:07:30.714 go out there all the time, right? 01:07:31.065 --> 01:07:31.694 Oh yeah, for sure. 01:07:31.694 --> 01:07:34.395 You've got to have an, I think if you want to get 01:07:34.395 --> 01:07:36.075 into hunting, you gotta have an understanding 01:07:36.075 --> 01:07:37.850 wife, number two, you gotta have an 01:07:37.850 --> 01:07:39.610 understanding wife, number three, you gotta 01:07:39.610 --> 01:07:41.240 have an understanding wife, number four, 01:07:41.240 --> 01:07:43.010 you've got to be spending money on your wife. 01:07:43.470 --> 01:07:44.590 And number five. 01:07:44.590 --> 01:07:46.140 Put a fat ring on her finger. 01:07:46.160 --> 01:07:47.600 Number five, you just have to have 01:07:47.600 --> 01:07:50.360 an understanding of people around you 01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:52.190 that accept you for who you are, right? 01:07:52.220 --> 01:07:55.130 So it ain't easy and no one ever says, and if you 01:07:55.130 --> 01:07:57.920 can find someone that'll share all that passion 01:07:57.920 --> 01:07:59.930 with you and stuff, kudos to that because. 01:08:00.290 --> 01:08:01.920 What I have found made things a little bit 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:03.740 easier was that a hundred mile diet thing eh. 01:08:04.080 --> 01:08:04.580 Yeah. 01:08:04.780 --> 01:08:05.120 Right. 01:08:05.120 --> 01:08:05.460 That did. 01:08:05.460 --> 01:08:07.200 People are a little more interested in 01:08:07.530 --> 01:08:09.200 trying organic meat. 01:08:09.290 --> 01:08:09.790 Yeah. 01:08:09.890 --> 01:08:11.570 So they'd be like, Hey, Dennis, could I 01:08:11.570 --> 01:08:13.220 have a duck or could I have a snow goose 01:08:13.220 --> 01:08:14.510 or a pheasant or what? 01:08:14.570 --> 01:08:15.770 No problem, I'll give you one. 01:08:15.970 --> 01:08:16.210 Yeah. 01:08:16.210 --> 01:08:18.520 Or could I have like a, even a package of elk 01:08:18.550 --> 01:08:19.470 hamburger or something? 01:08:19.470 --> 01:08:20.950 It's the first thing that goes on an open 01:08:20.950 --> 01:08:22.240 table anytime anyways. 01:08:22.240 --> 01:08:24.660 I go to an event, I go to an event and it'd 01:08:24.670 --> 01:08:27.390 be a just a social, like a gathering, 01:08:27.390 --> 01:08:30.550 whatever, bring an appie, I'll always bring a 01:08:30.569 --> 01:08:34.050 selection of, say some smoke fish and so, a 01:08:34.050 --> 01:08:35.819 couple of different, so some ducks and goose 01:08:35.819 --> 01:08:38.279 sausage, maybe some elk sausage, whatever. 01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:40.050 And it's usually the first thing gone 01:08:40.050 --> 01:08:40.859 at least parties. 01:08:40.979 --> 01:08:41.760 And they're like, what's this? 01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:42.180 What's this? 01:08:42.180 --> 01:08:42.479 What's this? 01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:44.160 So I put these little flags in there, elk 01:08:44.160 --> 01:08:46.290 sausage, you know, goose sausage, whatever. 01:08:46.899 --> 01:08:48.689 People try it and they're like, wow, 01:08:48.689 --> 01:08:49.620 this is pretty good. 01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:50.300 Man. 01:08:50.310 --> 01:08:52.800 One of the things we do is the waterfowl 01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:53.679 heritage days, right. 01:08:53.679 --> 01:08:54.179 Right. 01:08:54.719 --> 01:08:56.645 So waterfowl heritage days, quite often we 01:08:56.645 --> 01:08:58.795 see single moms now. 01:08:58.915 --> 01:09:01.345 They have a son or a daughter that's kind of 01:09:01.345 --> 01:09:03.685 interested in hunting, but mom doesn't know 01:09:03.685 --> 01:09:04.615 anything about hunting. 01:09:04.615 --> 01:09:06.725 So they find out what waterfowl heritage days. 01:09:06.725 --> 01:09:08.485 When we bring a out, I find it, you 01:09:08.485 --> 01:09:09.145 know, pretty fun. 01:09:09.145 --> 01:09:11.335 We've had some kids that they barely set foot out 01:09:11.335 --> 01:09:13.715 of the house, they don't do sports, they, you 01:09:13.715 --> 01:09:15.575 know, their, their body said, Hey, there's this 01:09:15.725 --> 01:09:17.495 waterfowl heritage days thing, where get to go 01:09:17.495 --> 01:09:19.505 hunting and shoot, try to shoot ducks and geese. 01:09:20.505 --> 01:09:23.670 We always do a lunch with them, and in the 01:09:23.670 --> 01:09:26.680 past we did like duck fajitas or a duck 01:09:26.700 --> 01:09:28.650 chili or goose chili, that sort of thing. 01:09:29.130 --> 01:09:31.230 And I, I kinda snicker cause you see these, 01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:33.270 these single moms come and they'd have like 01:09:33.270 --> 01:09:35.760 their, their skirt business attire on, 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:37.890 drop the kid off in the morning, come back later. 01:09:37.890 --> 01:09:39.540 And you know, and they're miffed that you've 01:09:39.540 --> 01:09:42.029 asked them to meet him at Wellington park at 01:09:42.029 --> 01:09:44.340 five in the morning and these poor single moms 01:09:44.340 --> 01:09:45.990 got to drag her butt out of bed and get the 01:09:45.990 --> 01:09:46.920 kid down there right. 01:09:47.425 --> 01:09:49.075 Come back at lunchtime when we've got a big 01:09:49.075 --> 01:09:51.265 lunch spread put out, and they kind of turn 01:09:51.265 --> 01:09:53.485 their nose up on it, and I have said to a few of 01:09:53.485 --> 01:09:55.535 them, look, just try it. 01:09:56.105 --> 01:09:58.295 They try a duck fajita or goose fajita and 01:09:58.295 --> 01:09:59.525 whatever, and if you throw it in the 01:09:59.525 --> 01:10:01.025 garbage, you won't hurt my feelings, but 01:10:01.025 --> 01:10:01.775 at least you tried it. 01:10:01.805 --> 01:10:02.305 Right. 01:10:02.670 --> 01:10:04.410 But nine times out of 10 they would try it, 01:10:04.410 --> 01:10:06.400 or maybe even nine and a half times out of 01:10:06.400 --> 01:10:07.940 10 they would try it and they're like, Hey, 01:10:07.940 --> 01:10:08.960 this was pretty good. 01:10:09.230 --> 01:10:09.730 Yeah. 01:10:10.010 --> 01:10:12.740 So you know, on the goal then it was to try to get 01:10:12.740 --> 01:10:14.450 all the kids to harvest a duck, and even the 01:10:14.450 --> 01:10:16.130 ones that didn't, quite often, there was some 01:10:16.130 --> 01:10:18.920 kids that harvested two or three ducks and they'd 01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:19.820 all go home with a duck. 01:10:19.820 --> 01:10:21.200 We'd send them home with a recipe. 01:10:21.890 --> 01:10:22.330 They go home. 01:10:22.330 --> 01:10:23.320 They'd go home with a lot more than that. 01:10:23.320 --> 01:10:24.072 And they'd try it. 01:10:24.072 --> 01:10:25.545 They'd go home with a lot more than that 01:10:25.545 --> 01:10:26.155 though hey Dennis. 01:10:26.345 --> 01:10:29.605 That day changes lot of those kids' lives and 01:10:29.805 --> 01:10:33.005 you'd be a surprised on, that might change 01:10:33.005 --> 01:10:33.935 their path in life. 01:10:33.935 --> 01:10:36.265 You know, with a single mom dealing with a 01:10:36.635 --> 01:10:41.405 teenage boy, I mean that, maybe without a male 01:10:41.405 --> 01:10:44.605 influence in their life, when they get to maybe 01:10:44.605 --> 01:10:47.665 that one or two days a year that they get to go 01:10:47.665 --> 01:10:50.775 out and they get to be with the boys are, or the 01:10:50.775 --> 01:10:53.275 girls too, because they can hunt too as well. 01:10:53.805 --> 01:10:58.065 But for that, special time in that moment,in 01:10:58.115 --> 01:11:02.065 that day they go, they tell all their friends at 01:11:02.065 --> 01:11:05.175 school, they tell their grandpa, they tell their 01:11:05.175 --> 01:11:08.225 mom, they tell everybody how great that was. 01:11:08.225 --> 01:11:09.635 I don't think we've ever had a sour 01:11:09.635 --> 01:11:11.325 experience on a waterfowl heritage days. 01:11:11.625 --> 01:11:11.825 Not yet. 01:11:11.825 --> 01:11:14.375 And, and some, and some years we've been 01:11:14.375 --> 01:11:16.075 out there and we've only shot what, three 01:11:16.075 --> 01:11:17.605 ducks, but some days we're out there. 01:11:17.605 --> 01:11:19.495 I mean, some waterfowl heritage days we're out 01:11:19.495 --> 01:11:21.945 there we shoot 20, 20, 30 snow geese right? 01:11:21.975 --> 01:11:22.175 Yeah. 01:11:22.175 --> 01:11:22.845 Just the luck of the draw. 01:11:22.845 --> 01:11:25.405 But it's hunting, but it's always those, no 01:11:25.405 --> 01:11:27.775 matter if you shoot, I shoot a bird or you 01:11:27.775 --> 01:11:30.145 don't shoot a bird, that day from right 01:11:30.145 --> 01:11:32.065 there and they will forever remember that. 01:11:32.095 --> 01:11:33.685 I promise you that because they won't. 01:11:33.685 --> 01:11:35.365 I know it for a fact Jens. 01:11:35.435 --> 01:11:37.975 I get guys coming into the store that you 01:11:37.975 --> 01:11:42.175 brought out, that are my age basically, or just 01:11:42.175 --> 01:11:44.855 a little younger than me, and they still talk 01:11:44.855 --> 01:11:46.055 about that day, right? 01:11:46.085 --> 01:11:46.475 Yup. 01:11:46.475 --> 01:11:48.095 And that's the day that basically 01:11:48.095 --> 01:11:50.655 groomed them into, you know, maybe starting 01:11:50.655 --> 01:11:52.175 waterfowl, you know? 01:11:52.415 --> 01:11:54.575 So if you ever get that opportunity where you got 01:11:54.575 --> 01:11:57.385 to a kid that's going to tap you on the shoulder, 01:11:57.385 --> 01:12:00.235 that you know, maybe maybe you put aside a 01:12:00.235 --> 01:12:02.845 weekend day for him or, or, you know, take him 01:12:02.845 --> 01:12:04.795 out for a night flight or take her out for a night 01:12:04.795 --> 01:12:05.845 flight or whatever right? 01:12:05.845 --> 01:12:09.644 We encourage anybody in anybody, and it's 01:12:09.644 --> 01:12:11.144 never too late to get into the sport. 01:12:11.144 --> 01:12:14.975 I mean, uh, we had my oldest hunter in 01:12:14.975 --> 01:12:17.015 the shop this year was 104 years old. 01:12:17.015 --> 01:12:18.725 He, he shot his own deer and dragged 01:12:18.725 --> 01:12:19.555 it out right so. 01:12:19.555 --> 01:12:20.545 104. 01:12:20.595 --> 01:12:21.095 104. 01:12:21.485 --> 01:12:21.985 Wow. 01:12:22.395 --> 01:12:25.165 That's what I filled out the license, I was like 01:12:25.165 --> 01:12:26.075 oohh man, you're old. 01:12:26.345 --> 01:12:26.845 He's like. 01:12:27.285 --> 01:12:27.725 Yup. 01:12:27.725 --> 01:12:27.935 Yeah. 01:12:27.935 --> 01:12:28.925 He had his, he had his little. 01:12:29.015 --> 01:12:29.345 Yeah. 01:12:29.345 --> 01:12:29.985 It's still, you know. 01:12:29.985 --> 01:12:33.515 Philipino caretaker pay, pay the pay, the license 01:12:33.515 --> 01:12:34.465 fee and stuff like that. 01:12:34.465 --> 01:12:37.065 But, he said he was going hunting right. 01:12:37.065 --> 01:12:40.639 But I mean, you deal with kids from five 01:12:40.639 --> 01:12:42.590 years old, all the way up to 90 years old. 01:12:42.590 --> 01:12:43.700 You're never too late to start in 01:12:43.700 --> 01:12:45.719 the sport, whether you're male or female. 01:12:46.530 --> 01:12:49.040 It's, it should be welcomed with open arms 01:12:49.040 --> 01:12:50.570 and I mean, if you're going to snub your 01:12:50.570 --> 01:12:52.639 nose at people that are eager to learn and 01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:55.010 want to get in your sport, then you might 01:12:55.010 --> 01:12:56.840 be in it for the wrong reason right now right. 01:12:56.870 --> 01:12:59.240 What I have noticed as a, as a CORE instructor 01:12:59.240 --> 01:13:01.519 over the years is how many, how many women and 01:13:01.519 --> 01:13:02.360 children I've taught. 01:13:03.309 --> 01:13:05.700 like it used to be pretty much predominantly 01:13:05.749 --> 01:13:07.450 a male sport. 01:13:07.659 --> 01:13:08.969 Oh the numbers are going. 01:13:08.990 --> 01:13:13.009 Now that there's so many ladies and, and kids 01:13:13.009 --> 01:13:14.839 that I've taught and probably more kids than, 01:13:16.240 --> 01:13:17.830 Oh, pretty much almost all the kids that have 01:13:17.830 --> 01:13:19.330 shot here in Ladner. 01:13:19.750 --> 01:13:21.700 At one time, I'd probably cross paths with them, 01:13:21.700 --> 01:13:24.370 whether it be as a CORE instructor or as 01:13:24.370 --> 01:13:26.650 when we run the Delta Ladner Rod and Gun 01:13:26.650 --> 01:13:27.660 Club Junior Program. 01:13:27.719 --> 01:13:28.870 And what do you attribute that to? 01:13:32.260 --> 01:13:33.160 My mentors. 01:13:33.940 --> 01:13:34.210 Yeah. 01:13:34.210 --> 01:13:37.030 You know, my mentors taught me and how, I 01:13:37.030 --> 01:13:38.590 mean, how it came about with me getting into some 01:13:38.590 --> 01:13:42.930 of these, these, these kids involved, my mentors 01:13:42.950 --> 01:13:45.200 taught me well, there was nobody to take over the 01:13:45.200 --> 01:13:47.540 youth program at our gun club, so we took it over. 01:13:48.710 --> 01:13:51.559 As time went on, like my sister got involved, she 01:13:51.559 --> 01:13:53.990 would tell her friends, so then now there's a few 01:13:53.990 --> 01:13:55.220 girls getting involved. 01:13:56.610 --> 01:13:58.350 Now, again, like we talked about the a 01:13:58.350 --> 01:14:00.940 hundred the a hundred mile diet, a lawyer 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:04.350 friend of mine, she and her daughters were vegan. 01:14:05.670 --> 01:14:07.150 And they came to me one day and they said, 01:14:07.150 --> 01:14:08.750 Dennis we, we'd like to take the CORE. 01:14:08.750 --> 01:14:11.430 And I'm like, kind of threw me off guard 01:14:11.430 --> 01:14:12.720 that they wanted to take the CORE cause 01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:13.440 they're vegans. 01:14:14.325 --> 01:14:16.065 And I said, why? 01:14:16.395 --> 01:14:19.525 And she said, well, I'm dating a fella and 01:14:19.525 --> 01:14:21.955 he's a hunter and we tried some deer and we 01:14:21.955 --> 01:14:22.765 thought it was good. 01:14:23.365 --> 01:14:25.855 And it's like organic, it's healthy, like 01:14:25.855 --> 01:14:28.615 there's no growth hormone in it, so we want to 01:14:28.615 --> 01:14:29.335 learn how to hunt. 01:14:30.179 --> 01:14:31.769 So I taught her and her two daughters 01:14:31.769 --> 01:14:34.129 and, and a girlfriend or hers, the CORE. 01:14:34.700 --> 01:14:36.769 And these, these four girls, well, three of 01:14:36.769 --> 01:14:38.990 them for sure, that I'm still in contact 01:14:38.990 --> 01:14:40.969 with, they love to duck hunt, they love 01:14:40.969 --> 01:14:42.650 to deer hunt right. 01:14:42.830 --> 01:14:44.120 And they love to eat it now too. 01:14:44.150 --> 01:14:44.570 They love 01:14:44.570 --> 01:14:45.070 eating it. 01:14:45.250 --> 01:14:46.429 You know what, I attribute that 01:14:46.429 --> 01:14:47.179 to a few things. 01:14:47.179 --> 01:14:48.530 Like you're saying, the a hundred mile diet, 01:14:48.950 --> 01:14:51.410 yeah, I mean it's, it's popular, people want 01:14:51.410 --> 01:14:54.320 to be eating organic, they want to eat local. 01:14:55.005 --> 01:14:57.345 And we find a lot more people coming through, 01:14:57.345 --> 01:14:59.565 a lot of hipster types that are coming in that 01:14:59.835 --> 01:15:02.475 just want to be able to provide for themselves. 01:15:03.105 --> 01:15:07.875 There seems to be a desire for people 01:15:07.875 --> 01:15:10.535 to go out and be self sufficient. 01:15:10.895 --> 01:15:13.895 I don't know what's driving that exactly. 01:15:13.895 --> 01:15:16.655 If there's a uncertainty in their own life or 01:15:16.655 --> 01:15:18.185 if they're watching the news too much and 01:15:18.185 --> 01:15:20.285 seeing all the negativity and thinking, well, 01:15:20.285 --> 01:15:22.955 I better be prepared, but we do see those 01:15:22.955 --> 01:15:23.885 types coming in. 01:15:24.660 --> 01:15:29.700 And as much as hunters, as we look at the doom 01:15:29.700 --> 01:15:32.580 and gloom of kind of where things are going 01:15:32.580 --> 01:15:34.620 with the encroachment and population growth 01:15:34.650 --> 01:15:38.820 and the lack of, the limited access that 01:15:39.540 --> 01:15:41.810 just as time ticks on. 01:15:42.590 --> 01:15:44.360 I also see the other side of that. 01:15:44.390 --> 01:15:46.940 The face of hunting itself seems to be 01:15:46.940 --> 01:15:50.220 changing the the reasons that people are looking 01:15:50.220 --> 01:15:52.740 to get into it seem to be changing and I think 01:15:54.184 --> 01:15:58.434 what you guys mentioned earlier, for these people 01:15:58.434 --> 01:16:01.044 who might be intimidated to go out and go to the 01:16:01.044 --> 01:16:04.285 gun club, or to strike up conversation from with 01:16:04.285 --> 01:16:05.335 some of the old boys. 01:16:05.964 --> 01:16:10.065 Joining a club, putting in that time to meet 01:16:10.684 --> 01:16:14.165 the the old guard and learn from them is a, 01:16:14.705 --> 01:16:15.875 is an integral part. 01:16:15.875 --> 01:16:17.375 It's, it's a way that this sport is going to 01:16:17.375 --> 01:16:19.535 continue and in the same respect, the old guard 01:16:19.535 --> 01:16:22.085 is going to have to take a look and realize that 01:16:22.775 --> 01:16:24.125 some of these hunters aren't really doing, 01:16:24.335 --> 01:16:26.285 they're not dressing like how we would dress. 01:16:26.285 --> 01:16:28.565 They're not, they're not exactly the type 01:16:28.565 --> 01:16:30.724 of person that we are, but they are enjoying 01:16:30.724 --> 01:16:32.615 the same sport, they're doing it legally, they're 01:16:32.615 --> 01:16:33.575 doing it ethically. 01:16:33.695 --> 01:16:34.195 That's right. 01:16:34.294 --> 01:16:36.155 I think that's a huge component to it. 01:16:36.155 --> 01:16:38.134 I think there's a little give and take on both, 01:16:38.590 --> 01:16:41.730 both sides of it and stuff where, you know, 01:16:41.730 --> 01:16:44.190 the good old boys might have to give up a, a 01:16:44.250 --> 01:16:46.890 little bit of their knowledge to the new 01:16:46.890 --> 01:16:48.810 up and comers so that you can all join up 01:16:48.810 --> 01:16:51.620 and, and, and conquer the hunting and here 01:16:51.620 --> 01:16:52.490 in British Columbia. 01:16:52.820 --> 01:16:54.780 But I think just touching on the hundred miles 01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:58.590 stuff, I think people are starting to try 01:16:58.590 --> 01:17:00.390 to understand where their food comes from. 01:17:01.550 --> 01:17:06.575 And I think, I think a lot of people, it's a 01:17:06.575 --> 01:17:08.570 scary world out there, it's moving a mile a 01:17:08.570 --> 01:17:10.325 minute, I mean, a, you can't even keep up. 01:17:10.325 --> 01:17:12.125 That's why I, I mean, we don't watch the 01:17:12.125 --> 01:17:13.955 news in our place it or anything like that. 01:17:13.955 --> 01:17:16.675 It's just bad, bad stuff to do because I mean. 01:17:17.205 --> 01:17:17.805 It's not worth it. 01:17:17.805 --> 01:17:19.325 In the short, in the short time that you 01:17:19.325 --> 01:17:20.464 have here on this earth. 01:17:21.965 --> 01:17:24.095 You gotta be focused on the people that you 01:17:24.095 --> 01:17:27.134 care about, the things that you want to do and 01:17:27.585 --> 01:17:30.065 the surrounding your area, your atmosphere 01:17:30.065 --> 01:17:30.935 and stuff like that. 01:17:31.235 --> 01:17:32.705 And if you're too caught up in other 01:17:32.705 --> 01:17:34.235 people's worlds and stuff like that. 01:17:34.295 --> 01:17:35.165 You're not going to enjoy life. 01:17:35.195 --> 01:17:36.575 No, you're not going to get there right. 01:17:36.575 --> 01:17:37.745 You're not, you're not going to get the 01:17:37.745 --> 01:17:38.735 most satisfaction. 01:17:38.735 --> 01:17:41.215 So touching back on where your food 01:17:41.215 --> 01:17:42.905 comes from, yeah. 01:17:42.935 --> 01:17:45.335 Do I have to grab a duck sometimes and 01:17:45.335 --> 01:17:47.860 wring its neck and, and put it out as misery, 01:17:47.860 --> 01:17:49.820 yeah, you bet I have had to do that a couple 01:17:49.820 --> 01:17:54.970 thousand times, but at the same time, I feel 01:17:54.970 --> 01:17:56.170 remorse for that animal. 01:17:56.230 --> 01:17:58.800 Every big game animal I've taken, every, 01:17:59.160 --> 01:18:00.720 even every duck that I've taken. 01:18:00.930 --> 01:18:03.420 When, when you kill something, it, if you 01:18:03.420 --> 01:18:05.910 don't feel a bit of remorse, then you're in 01:18:05.910 --> 01:18:08.670 it for the wrong reason because it is taking 01:18:08.670 --> 01:18:11.760 another things life, but you're using it 01:18:12.390 --> 01:18:13.770 to sustain your life. 01:18:13.770 --> 01:18:16.360 You're, you're, you're using all parts of that. 01:18:16.400 --> 01:18:19.590 I, I totally agree with you Jens and I, you know, 01:18:19.590 --> 01:18:21.600 I've shot lots of big game animals, lots of 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:23.970 birds over the years, and, and people have 01:18:23.970 --> 01:18:26.370 asked me that lots of times like, what's it 01:18:26.370 --> 01:18:29.390 like, as a hunter and, and what's like when you 01:18:29.390 --> 01:18:31.800 harvest something, and I've said to them many 01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:35.884 times, every emotion goes through your, 01:18:35.974 --> 01:18:37.985 through your body right. 01:18:38.214 --> 01:18:40.985 You're, you're excited because, Hey, I'm ha, 01:18:40.985 --> 01:18:42.995 I have this opportunity to harvest this elk 01:18:42.995 --> 01:18:44.945 or this deer or this goose or whatever. 01:18:45.514 --> 01:18:47.644 And then you also, you're happy to be out 01:18:47.644 --> 01:18:49.415 there with your buddies, you're excited, all 01:18:49.415 --> 01:18:51.155 that's going through your mind, Hey, we're having 01:18:51.155 --> 01:18:53.554 a good time and all, here's my opportunity. 01:18:53.554 --> 01:18:55.955 So you harvest that animal and you knock 01:18:55.955 --> 01:18:59.265 it down and now you're like, Oh man, I just, 01:18:59.644 --> 01:19:00.725 I just shot an animal. 01:19:00.725 --> 01:19:04.525 Now, so now there's a sad feeling, right? 01:19:04.695 --> 01:19:06.695 Yeah, I just harvest this, but Hey, it's for 01:19:06.695 --> 01:19:08.555 my family, we're going to eat it, it's, you know. 01:19:08.585 --> 01:19:09.515 You respect it though. 01:19:09.515 --> 01:19:11.425 You resp, you respect the thing and. 01:19:11.425 --> 01:19:11.695 Totally. 01:19:11.695 --> 01:19:14.105 You respect the game that you chase and you respect 01:19:14.105 --> 01:19:15.095 the game that you're in. 01:19:15.575 --> 01:19:18.215 And it, it's, it's not, it's not for the faint 01:19:18.215 --> 01:19:20.105 of heart, I should say, but at the same time, 01:19:20.105 --> 01:19:22.025 like, I know where my food comes from. 01:19:22.025 --> 01:19:25.990 I know, I know that I worked hard for this 01:19:26.080 --> 01:19:28.240 for whether it's meat or whether it's even 01:19:28.240 --> 01:19:30.070 vegetables out of the garden, like, I mean. 01:19:30.530 --> 01:19:32.929 I don't fight vegans, I don't fight vegetarians, 01:19:33.260 --> 01:19:34.130 I respect them. 01:19:34.540 --> 01:19:35.759 They have their own way of living. 01:19:35.759 --> 01:19:35.940 Their choice. 01:19:35.940 --> 01:19:37.200 That's fine and stuff like that. 01:19:37.540 --> 01:19:40.000 But if, if a certain group's going to come 01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:42.099 at me because they don't like the way that 01:19:42.099 --> 01:19:44.679 I harvest animals or the way I kill animals 01:19:44.679 --> 01:19:45.670 or anything like that. 01:19:46.105 --> 01:19:48.144 I mean, my rebuttal them is, you know, quit 01:19:48.144 --> 01:19:49.045 eating all their food. 01:19:49.195 --> 01:19:51.085 I mean, they're, I mean, they're eating 01:19:51.085 --> 01:19:52.344 vegetables, you know what I mean? 01:19:52.434 --> 01:19:54.865 I mean, we can go there, but at the same time, 01:19:55.224 --> 01:19:58.014 it's like, you know, you don't want to. 01:19:58.014 --> 01:19:58.745 I've had that argument. 01:19:58.764 --> 01:20:00.565 I've had that argument with, with the lady 01:20:00.565 --> 01:20:02.245 once, she's like, I can't believe you would 01:20:02.245 --> 01:20:03.384 go out and kill animals. 01:20:04.165 --> 01:20:06.795 And I go, well, it's no different than 01:20:06.795 --> 01:20:08.134 you go into the store and purchasing yours. 01:20:08.344 --> 01:20:10.844 The difference is, I know where mine came from, 01:20:10.964 --> 01:20:12.295 mine didn't go through the slaughter process. 01:20:12.545 --> 01:20:14.565 Well, I'm a vegan, I said well, what's 01:20:14.565 --> 01:20:15.135 the difference? 01:20:15.545 --> 01:20:17.644 You're upset that we're, that we've harvested 01:20:18.480 --> 01:20:19.450 a living being. 01:20:20.700 --> 01:20:22.680 My example was like, you don't think that 01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:24.540 carrot was sitting there just living its life. 01:20:24.540 --> 01:20:26.000 Just say, Hey, this is a great life, and all 01:20:26.020 --> 01:20:27.630 sudden you grab it by its hair, yank it out of 01:20:27.630 --> 01:20:29.220 the ground, wash it off and started eating it. 01:20:29.370 --> 01:20:30.530 But the other thing is. 01:20:30.530 --> 01:20:31.519 If it was screaming, it'd be a completely 01:20:31.519 --> 01:20:32.019 different thing. 01:20:32.170 --> 01:20:33.120 Everything's living. 01:20:33.120 --> 01:20:36.180 The other thing is too, it's like you get, I just 01:20:36.180 --> 01:20:38.010 don't want to pick on that certain group, but 01:20:38.010 --> 01:20:40.770 like, I mean you get, you get a crop of vegetables. 01:20:41.110 --> 01:20:43.060 Well that, that the vegetables now, they 01:20:43.060 --> 01:20:43.870 all get sprayed. 01:20:43.900 --> 01:20:47.070 So bugs die from that, you know, just because 01:20:47.070 --> 01:20:49.080 you have to eat those vegetables, so they have 01:20:49.080 --> 01:20:50.940 to be contained, so they have to get sprayed. 01:20:50.940 --> 01:20:54.870 So mice, rats, bugs, all living creatures that 01:20:54.870 --> 01:20:58.530 you're having a problem with us harvesting are 01:20:58.530 --> 01:21:02.350 do, are getting harvested off or killed off because 01:21:02.350 --> 01:21:04.150 you were wanting to eat this plant or something 01:21:04.150 --> 01:21:04.900 like that right? 01:21:04.930 --> 01:21:07.585 So, you know, it's touche here, touche there. 01:21:07.585 --> 01:21:07.965 It's the circle. 01:21:07.965 --> 01:21:08.025 Yeah. 01:21:08.025 --> 01:21:09.525 It's like, what can you do right? 01:21:09.525 --> 01:21:12.265 But at the same time I've, you don't want to 01:21:12.265 --> 01:21:13.585 argue with that point. 01:21:13.585 --> 01:21:14.605 You just want to say, Hey. 01:21:15.245 --> 01:21:16.175 That's a tough thing to argue. 01:21:16.205 --> 01:21:16.415 Yeah. 01:21:16.415 --> 01:21:18.695 You, you live your, you live your style of life 01:21:18.695 --> 01:21:20.825 and I'll keep in my lane and live my style 01:21:20.825 --> 01:21:23.585 and I'll, I'll help people that are in mo, 01:21:23.585 --> 01:21:25.985 in the way of my life and you help people 01:21:25.985 --> 01:21:26.795 the way that yours is. 01:21:26.795 --> 01:21:28.595 But I'm not going to go out and bash on 01:21:28.625 --> 01:21:30.365 the way that you live life because that's 01:21:30.365 --> 01:21:31.055 the way you live it. 01:21:31.055 --> 01:21:31.925 You go right ahead. 01:21:31.925 --> 01:21:33.785 You have your, your own choice, your own 01:21:33.785 --> 01:21:34.565 way of doing that. 01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:36.320 But this is how I want to live mine, 01:21:36.320 --> 01:21:38.070 and this is the animal that I want to eat. 01:21:38.070 --> 01:21:38.570 You know. 01:21:38.580 --> 01:21:40.589 A lot of, a lot of what I enjoy about 01:21:40.589 --> 01:21:43.429 being out there is, you know, being with my 01:21:43.429 --> 01:21:45.980 friends or my family, whatever, you know. 01:21:45.980 --> 01:21:50.070 Enjoying nature and harvesting and 01:21:50.500 --> 01:21:53.980 gathering a lot of our, a lot of our food. 01:21:54.040 --> 01:21:57.300 Like, so while we're out there, I've done the 01:21:57.300 --> 01:21:58.470 fiddlehead collecting. 01:21:58.520 --> 01:21:58.590 Yeah. 01:21:58.590 --> 01:22:00.660 You can get, we grabbed Morel mushrooms when 01:22:00.660 --> 01:22:02.160 they're in hot, you know, when they're around. 01:22:02.309 --> 01:22:02.610 Yeah. 01:22:02.610 --> 01:22:05.030 Shaggy manes, all that sort of thing right. 01:22:05.040 --> 01:22:06.630 So it's all part of being out there. 01:22:06.809 --> 01:22:07.260 All right. 01:22:07.260 --> 01:22:09.429 So, and people don't understand that it's, 01:22:09.429 --> 01:22:11.690 it's more than just out there harvesting 01:22:11.690 --> 01:22:13.320 animals or trying to hunt animals. 01:22:13.650 --> 01:22:15.840 It's just being in nature, enjoying it. 01:22:15.969 --> 01:22:16.469 Living. 01:22:17.519 --> 01:22:18.360 Away from the city. 01:22:18.490 --> 01:22:18.639 Yeah. 01:22:18.639 --> 01:22:19.740 Well, getting away from the city. 01:22:19.740 --> 01:22:20.639 Yeah, it's living right. 01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:22.300 It's a different, different way of living. 01:22:22.930 --> 01:22:25.090 You gotta respect that. 01:22:25.090 --> 01:22:29.685 If you respect mine, I'll respect yours, let's 01:22:29.685 --> 01:22:30.525 just put it that way. 01:22:30.815 --> 01:22:31.365 Correct. 01:22:31.455 --> 01:22:31.815 Right. 01:22:31.815 --> 01:22:33.255 And it's, and it's unfortunate. 01:22:33.825 --> 01:22:35.715 I mean, everybody has an opinion. 01:22:36.235 --> 01:22:38.575 It's, some people just don't understand how 01:22:39.155 --> 01:22:41.855 you live, how I live, how Travis lives, and 01:22:41.855 --> 01:22:43.985 then they, they got to put their 2 cents in. 01:22:44.015 --> 01:22:46.175 And don't get me wrong, it's, it's tough taken 01:22:46.175 --> 01:22:47.135 an animal's life. 01:22:47.165 --> 01:22:47.935 Like it's not. 01:22:47.935 --> 01:22:48.475 Oh definitely. 01:22:48.615 --> 01:22:49.625 It's not an easy thing. 01:22:49.625 --> 01:22:51.635 It's not just, we go out there and, you know, 01:22:51.635 --> 01:22:53.505 we shoot an animal, put the blood on our face 01:22:53.505 --> 01:22:56.975 and say yeah, like beat our chest and say, Hey, 01:22:57.185 --> 01:22:59.165 this is what, this is what we're here to do, 01:22:59.165 --> 01:23:00.005 and stuff like that. 01:23:00.005 --> 01:23:03.735 It's, it's a, it's a thing of privilege. 01:23:03.735 --> 01:23:06.045 It's, it's, you come in there and you, you work 01:23:06.045 --> 01:23:08.675 hard for what you want to do and it's not easy. 01:23:08.675 --> 01:23:10.145 So that's why I respect. 01:23:11.635 --> 01:23:13.465 I have a little bit more respect for those 01:23:13.465 --> 01:23:16.055 people that are, are capable of doing that. 01:23:16.065 --> 01:23:18.465 Knowing where their food comes from, maybe getting 01:23:18.465 --> 01:23:20.475 their hands a little bit dirty, maybe working 01:23:20.475 --> 01:23:24.360 hard for what they're entitled to right. 01:23:24.440 --> 01:23:26.080 Got a more intimate relationship with 01:23:26.080 --> 01:23:27.220 the life and death. 01:23:27.250 --> 01:23:27.750 Yeah. 01:23:27.870 --> 01:23:30.870 And that creates a greater value 01:23:30.870 --> 01:23:33.270 in most people, understanding that. 01:23:34.060 --> 01:23:35.450 Well, I think you touched on something that 01:23:35.460 --> 01:23:37.820 you said, it's, it's, it's, it's not easy. 01:23:38.310 --> 01:23:38.640 No. 01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:41.590 And people who think that being a hunter's 01:23:41.590 --> 01:23:42.430 easy, it's not. 01:23:42.460 --> 01:23:43.690 There's easier ways to get our meat. 01:23:43.750 --> 01:23:46.570 The hunters that are successful, they work 01:23:46.570 --> 01:23:47.870 hard to be successful. 01:23:48.400 --> 01:23:50.850 The weekend warrior, who thinks it's just as 01:23:50.850 --> 01:23:52.860 easy just to jump in the boat, throw it a dozen 01:23:52.860 --> 01:23:54.730 decoys, and go out and harvest a bunch of ducks. 01:23:54.730 --> 01:23:55.410 They'll figure that out quick. 01:23:55.430 --> 01:23:56.650 They're not going to be very successful. 01:23:56.650 --> 01:23:57.630 Yeah, they'll learn, they'll learn fast. 01:23:58.070 --> 01:23:58.410 Right? 01:23:58.410 --> 01:24:00.450 You have to put the time in, work hard at it. 01:24:00.450 --> 01:24:02.340 It's, it's far from easy. 01:24:02.790 --> 01:24:05.520 You know, you gotta, you gotta expect that 01:24:05.520 --> 01:24:07.860 you're going to go on that elk hunt and not 01:24:07.860 --> 01:24:08.820 harvest an animal. 01:24:09.530 --> 01:24:11.010 Go and learn a little bit and the next 01:24:11.010 --> 01:24:12.830 year you might be successful or have a, 01:24:12.950 --> 01:24:15.230 have a great chance at an, at an animal. 01:24:15.260 --> 01:24:16.150 Get an encounter yeah. 01:24:16.400 --> 01:24:16.670 Right. 01:24:16.670 --> 01:24:19.540 So I mean, an example, my dad, him and I 01:24:19.540 --> 01:24:20.690 have hunted lots over the years. 01:24:20.690 --> 01:24:23.520 My dad has never had the opportunity to hunt big 01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:24.690 bull elk during the rut. 01:24:25.090 --> 01:24:27.250 And this year I had the pleasure to take 01:24:27.260 --> 01:24:28.130 them along with me. 01:24:28.490 --> 01:24:32.060 We harvested an elk a few days before, 01:24:32.830 --> 01:24:35.740 but I have my dad, with an opportunity, 01:24:35.740 --> 01:24:36.160 I had a bull. 01:24:36.160 --> 01:24:37.990 I called the bull within 25 yards of 01:24:37.990 --> 01:24:40.020 him and he never made the shot because you 01:24:40.020 --> 01:24:41.910 couldn't tell if it was a legal animal or not. 01:24:42.450 --> 01:24:44.550 But I remember the look on his face when that 01:24:44.550 --> 01:24:47.760 bull's standing 25 yards ahead of him, bugling his 01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:49.080 face off in the trees. 01:24:49.350 --> 01:24:52.020 And dad, I'm looking at dad and dad just 01:24:52.020 --> 01:24:54.390 kind of looks back and it was over in 01:24:54.390 --> 01:24:55.110 a blink of an eye. 01:24:55.140 --> 01:24:57.420 The wind had changed on us, the elk winded us and 01:24:57.420 --> 01:24:59.380 he was gone like a ghost. 01:25:00.185 --> 01:25:01.205 And I looked at my dad and said, 01:25:01.205 --> 01:25:01.925 how close was he? 01:25:01.925 --> 01:25:04.025 Cause he goes like 75 feet. 01:25:04.625 --> 01:25:05.035 Yeah. 01:25:05.035 --> 01:25:06.535 And he goes, I've never been that close. 01:25:06.535 --> 01:25:08.394 He says, I thought I was going to get run over. 01:25:09.325 --> 01:25:11.845 And I'm like, and I said to dad, I said, you know 01:25:11.845 --> 01:25:13.474 how close you were to harvesting that elk? 01:25:13.474 --> 01:25:14.215 And he goes, no. 01:25:14.275 --> 01:25:18.054 I said, it's like you're at the world series 01:25:18.054 --> 01:25:21.355 game, you're down by two runs, you got two 01:25:21.355 --> 01:25:23.575 runners on base, and you crank one and it's going 01:25:23.575 --> 01:25:25.585 out of the park and that outfielder catches it 01:25:25.585 --> 01:25:27.415 as it's going over the wall and there's two out. 01:25:27.655 --> 01:25:29.815 Said, you were that close to harvest in that elk. 01:25:30.570 --> 01:25:32.920 And my dad kind of looked down on me. 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:34.970 He says, you're right, it was one hell of 01:25:34.970 --> 01:25:35.960 a cool experience. 01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:38.690 He says, we never got him, we were this close, 01:25:38.930 --> 01:25:40.160 but it was so fun. 01:25:40.730 --> 01:25:41.540 That's what it's about. 01:25:41.870 --> 01:25:43.520 It is, you know. 01:25:43.580 --> 01:25:45.710 If you make the success of the hunt, the harvest 01:25:45.710 --> 01:25:47.210 of the animal, you're going to have a lot of 01:25:47.330 --> 01:25:51.780 disappointed outings and lots of people will end 01:25:51.780 --> 01:25:52.740 up giving up on that. 01:25:52.769 --> 01:25:55.230 But if you make the success, the preparation, 01:25:55.730 --> 01:25:59.410 the time in, the I don't know, I'm a gear junkie. 01:25:59.450 --> 01:26:00.440 The enjoyement of the experience. 01:26:00.440 --> 01:26:02.650 I'm a gear junkie, I like collecting the 01:26:02.650 --> 01:26:06.370 kit and then you go out and you're hunting. 01:26:06.370 --> 01:26:08.410 Your outdoor is, you're observing 01:26:08.410 --> 01:26:09.190 what surrounds you. 01:26:09.190 --> 01:26:10.509 You're a part of the nature, you're 01:26:10.509 --> 01:26:11.500 part of the process. 01:26:11.860 --> 01:26:12.640 And then guess what? 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:14.380 If you do happen to harvest something, that's 01:26:14.380 --> 01:26:15.180 the icing on the cake. 01:26:15.260 --> 01:26:15.700 That's a bonus. 01:26:15.700 --> 01:26:16.150 Yeah. 01:26:16.150 --> 01:26:17.140 A total bonus. 01:26:17.230 --> 01:26:18.880 I mean, you don't go there every time 01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:21.870 expecting to come home with a truckload of, of 01:26:21.870 --> 01:26:24.440 birds or deer or elk or whatever the story is. 01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:26.900 Whatever you might be hunting, but just be 01:26:26.900 --> 01:26:30.320 out there and join, enjoying the, the nature 01:26:30.320 --> 01:26:31.940 and the wildlife and the Lake you're sitting 01:26:31.940 --> 01:26:33.410 beside, you know. 01:26:34.420 --> 01:26:35.950 It's just part, it's all part of it. 01:26:35.980 --> 01:26:37.480 And when you harvest something, it's a 01:26:37.480 --> 01:26:38.440 bonus to the trip. 01:26:39.060 --> 01:26:41.070 Well, I think we've got a lot of material here. 01:26:41.280 --> 01:26:42.960 Any new hunter listening to this will have some 01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:43.980 great tips and tricks. 01:26:44.280 --> 01:26:47.220 And I think we've really hammered home some, 01:26:47.240 --> 01:26:48.360 some key points here. 01:26:48.390 --> 01:26:50.070 Yrah, yeah and I think like Jens touched on, he 01:26:50.070 --> 01:26:52.630 says, don't be afraid to, you know, be a hunter, 01:26:52.630 --> 01:26:53.770 be become a hunter. 01:26:54.520 --> 01:26:57.010 If, if you, I think it's something you enjoy it. 01:26:57.630 --> 01:26:58.720 Come and try it. 01:26:59.190 --> 01:26:59.690 Yeah. 01:26:59.900 --> 01:27:00.190 Yeah. 01:27:00.190 --> 01:27:01.530 You either love it or you hate it. 01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:02.220 Right Jens? 01:27:02.220 --> 01:27:03.130 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:27:03.130 --> 01:27:04.720 They're all in or you're not all in right. 01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:07.264 But at the same time, it's, I'm 01:27:07.264 --> 01:27:08.165 proud to be a hunter. 01:27:08.165 --> 01:27:10.445 I know all you guys are proud to be hunters, and 01:27:10.775 --> 01:27:12.825 there's lots of hunters out there and huntresses. 01:27:12.844 --> 01:27:15.215 And everyone that's in the outdoor community, 01:27:15.215 --> 01:27:17.795 whether it's fish and hunt and trap and hiking, 01:27:17.825 --> 01:27:20.764 camping, outdoors stuff or whatever, we all, 01:27:20.764 --> 01:27:23.105 we all share the same environment and it's a, 01:27:23.594 --> 01:27:26.264 it's up to, up to us to have it and keep it going 01:27:26.264 --> 01:27:27.134 and all that stuff too. 01:27:27.134 --> 01:27:30.085 So just don't be afraid to stick your neck 01:27:30.085 --> 01:27:32.215 out there a little bit and, and then don't 01:27:32.215 --> 01:27:35.174 be afraid to jump in with the feet first. 01:27:35.174 --> 01:27:36.684 Don't be afraid to ask Cindy to dance. 01:27:36.705 --> 01:27:37.514 Yeah, exactly. 01:27:39.144 --> 01:27:42.915 I never really liked her. 01:27:44.035 --> 01:27:44.945 You liar. 01:27:45.165 --> 01:27:47.025 Does Cindy know? 01:27:47.325 --> 01:27:48.094 Yeah, I hope not. 01:27:48.105 --> 01:27:50.764 I mean, she might be listening, I don't know. 01:27:50.764 --> 01:27:52.065 She will after she sees it on your 01:27:52.065 --> 01:27:52.785 Instagram feed. 01:27:52.815 --> 01:27:53.835 Yeah, exactly. 01:27:53.835 --> 01:27:54.554 Exactly. 01:27:54.825 --> 01:27:55.205 All right. 01:27:55.205 --> 01:27:55.915 Wanna wrap it up? 01:27:55.915 --> 01:28:02.755 Yeah. Sounds good.