The Elusive Dream Podcast

Recognizing that words have the power to create thoughts and form habits, Dr. Korie and Pastor Rich discuss the ongoing debate about the word “reconciliation”. Is it still useful in this work of justice and multiracial community? Listen with open ears to their guest, Rev. Curtiss Paul DeYoung, an author and community activist with a long history on this subject.

Show Notes

Recognizing that words have the power to create thoughts and form habits, Dr. Korie and Pastor Rich discuss the ongoing debate about the word “reconciliation”. Is it still useful in this work of justice and multiracial community? Listen with open ears to their guest, Rev. Curtiss Paul DeYoung, an author and community activist with a long history on this subject.


Show Notes
  • Episode 4 Recap (:40)
  • Language and why it’s important (3:30)
  • How the church got reconciliation wrong (21:36)
  • What is biblical reconciliation? (26:26)
  • Terms and vocabulary need clarification (31:09)
  • Practical Work of Biblical Justice (35:19)
  • Reparations or Reconciliation (42:15)
  • What do justice and reconciliation look like? (53:20)
  • What about forgiveness? (1:05:07)

What is The Elusive Dream Podcast?

What is the elusive dream? The Elusive Dream Season One is a conversation between sociologist, Dr. Korie Little Edwards and clergy, Pastor Rich Johnson about the intersection of race and religion. Together, we seek to uncover the hidden forces in our society that deepen racial injustices.