Do you think sex should be paid for? Yes. People don't value things that they don't pay for. It's a consensual act. You just need to be paid for it. So basically, you're saying that it has to be money. Yeah. Yeah. For me, I think that even in relationships, sex is like the cherry on the cake. Do you think that it's okay to call anybody babe? I feel like for names, you can call anybody anything. guys, they feel like when they say babe or baby that that way they already there should be a level of connection. Yes. Just because you took her out doesn't mean that she's your babe. Her real husband can be there, but you you just don't want her to even talk to her real husband. You just want to take advantage of her. Is it okay if your friend decides to date your ex without telling you? I don't think it's okay for you to go out with someone that um your friend has previously dated. Your friend has already broken up with him, which makes it okay for you to be with him. But if you consider the entire relationship you have with your friend, I don't think you should give room for him to talk to you enough for you guys to develop feelings for yourselves. Your feelings are your feelings. You people have broken up. I don't understand. The person is supposed to move on and date other people. The only reason you're upset is because you still have feelings for your ex. That's why you're bothered about who your ex is now dating. I think this is exactly what happened with Papaya X and Miriam. This is not just your regular podcast. You know, the typical ones that's all about gender wars. Nah, none of that. This is really about the generations. Speaking about the millennials. And I am Pro Cardi holding it down for us. And I'm Kelvin holding it down for the Gen Z. You already know. And this is just my POV. So lately there's been like lots of controversies surrounding like people having sex, getting paid for it, and all of that, all of that. So I was only wondering, do you think sex should be paid for? Yes, absolutely. Okay. And and I know that a lot of people will be like go crazy and like hey started. But I'll explain to you why. Okay. So usually people don't value things that they don't pay for. People only value what they pay for either if it's in kind or work hours or even monetary. It doesn't necessarily have to be like funds like money. Just pay me money for the sex. No, sometimes it can also be like commitment. It can be love. It can be loyalty. It can be any of these. But regardless of what you choose as your payment, you just need to be paid for it. And it and it is not because it's not a consensual act. I understand the fact that yeah, a lot of guys be like, "But they they're enjoying it." I get it. I get it. But whoever initiates it needs to be able to pay in some sort of way. So basically, you're saying that um you're not necessarily saying that it has to be money, right? Meaning that whoever you're getting laid with needs to earn it. Exactly. That's the point. That's the point. Yeah. I actually agree with you on that one because for me I think that even in relationships sex is sex is like the cherry on the cake right you need to have put in the work you must have done like everything that you have to do like you know go through all of the normal due processes to win this person's heart and then you guys can eventually take that box and if you are thinking that you're going to jump like you randomly meet somebody today you want to sleep with the babe uncle bring out your money because I feel like you see that sex, you're supposed to earn it. If you're not going to put in the work, you should be able to pay the money. Let's be honest. So, so the thing about it also like I like when we started this conversation, I was like, "Oh, people don't like to value what they don't pay for." Especially Especially guys. Especially guys strong. They need to be able to work for it for them to enjoy it. That's why they chase to them. Yeah. That's why they chase and they the ones that will initiate. Actually they usually they will chase you so that they will end so that when they now get you they can now enjoy you. It's like a meal. It's like cooking the meal, you know, going to the market, washing it, getting it ready, preparing it, all those things, you know, put together is part of the payment that I'm trying to say. You need to give something to be able to get something. But then that's fair. Yeah. But then this now brings me to the question which is like I don't know how do you Tell me. Yeah, I know, right? How do you how do you classify it in in the sense that you know how a lot of people always call people babe? Yeah. And I know that is not is it's quite random and I also find it quite rude to call somebody a babe babe rather not a babe to call somebody babe or baby when you don't have like a romantic relationship or like a sexual relationship with the person. But then I find that a lot of people, a lot of guys especially feel free to just be saying I'm my babe or I come out with the babe so that other people will not now talk to the babe and then he now has access to her even sexually without putting in the work. Like do you think that it's okay to call babe anybody guy and girl or like they need to like go through like a process? So, so with names, I feel like for names, you can call anybody anything, but it depends on the context, right? For example, now you're a guy, you know that, sorry, you know that your aim of talking to this girl in the first place is because you're going towards like something sexual or romantic and you know people have not even gotten to that point, then you think you are so fast, you're so sharp, you now say, "Babe, wrong." So, the thing about guys, wait, I need to because I get what you're saying. But then the thing with them is in order to be able to quickly get to that place where the sex is convenient because girls, we're very soft and we're emotional. So if if you don't tune us, it's kind of like a radio. If you don't tune us, flirt with us, you know, buy us gifts or send us money, it doesn't come out. Yeah. You wouldn't have all the Yeah. all the femininity that you need. So for the guys, they feel like when they say babe or baby that that way they already should be a level of connection. Yeah. You're already getting into I think it's is it's okay for him to like gradually say it. It's okay for him to like gradually say it because you see this babe of a thing is something you can easily call anyone, right? Cuz best friends will like call themselves like, "Hey, how far babe?" or or like guy. Wait, are you talking about girl on girl? Girls, we're talking about girl on girl on guy, too. Hang on. But girls can call each other babe because we're babes. It's like guys calling each other guys. So me personally, I refer to my female friends as guy, not babe. And that's a way you like make it clear that there's nothing sexual going on between you and the person. I feel like for babe on its own, in as much as you can call anyone that name is is a little deeper than I mean, if we're looking at the meaning of babe, it's before anybody else if I'm not mistaken. Well, so that's a Jenz version of a baby. Because for real, why would you now see such a person then you why it doesn't make sense. So the thing is this babe issue. Yeah. It's quite uncomfortable for a babe that is not trying to be your babe when you are calling her that. Yeah, it's uncomfortable. And and just because you took her out for one dinner or one club night doesn't mean that she's your babe. where because you're the one that invited to her to that place, you now start to be covering her and be doing her say my babe so that no other person will talk to her. But it's not like you want to marry her. Her real husband can be there, but you you just don't want her to even talk to her real husband. You just want to take advantage of her. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But in fact, it doesn't you know that you don't love her. You know that you're you're not trying you're just trying to take care of her. You're just trying to even exactly and then every guy on the table you chasing them babe. No, that's not that's reduces her chances. That is so weird. I don't know why guys do it but maybe because they feel that they are about to spend one kind of money in her. There are some girls though. There are actually some girls who are pick me girls. Now I'm saying this because I know one particular person right? Not like I'm trying to say it happened with me. But this girl in particular used to be a friend, right? And she calls me on the phone and she's like, "Oh, Ala Kelvin." So, I'm I'm at my guy's house now. I'm her friend enough to know that she's single, right? But the guy in the background is like, "Huh, huh." And then she called me the day after and she's like, "Oh, guy, do you know that um that guy that I told you that I was in his house, he told me that I really have to take things slow, but I'm going too fast and stuff." So, in as much as guys do these things, there are also girls who really love you so much and want to be with you too bad and then they call you babe. So, in conclusion, anybody who is trying to do pass himself, it go they call you babe at times when it's not appropriate. So, let's just let's just know that generally speaking, calling people babe or baby is inappropriate. Except you guys have had that conversation because you'll be shocking the babe and you'll be shocking the guy as well. And the one like I really need to just retouch on that aspect or just cuz you took her out to dinner and you're trying to get with her doesn't mean that you have to tell everybody in that place that she's your friend. just a friend and you're just trying to get to know her after that day. If you guys don't work out, she'll probably not come out for some even give your number out. Yeah. So like what is what is that? It's not cute. But then they want you to introduce you to their friend to your friends. Like you tag your friend. They have like three of her posts. Enter her DM. Hey beautiful. Fast fast. It's so wrong. And then they don't want to introduce you to their friends who like you and might even date you genuinely might actually date you and they're not trying to date you. Very wrong. No, no, no. That part I don't like that and I needed to talk about this. That's important. Yeah. Been there, done that, bro. Like, well, that now brings me to the next topic. And this is a very delicate one because I know that everyone has like the their own emotions and how they get over breakups and relationships and stuff like that. Um, so is it okay if your friend decides to date your ex without telling you? And this is after a couple years or maybe you guys have broken up for a while. I'm just saying, right? And this is adulthood. This is not child puppy love. Yeah. So when you start dating um Okay. So I I I will say this from from an inside perspective. Kelvin does not like that because personally personally I feel like because of the relationship you have with your friend. I don't think it's okay for you to go out with someone that um your friend has previously dated. And this is not because it's wrong. This is because like for me, I like to weigh the relationship I have with someone and like I don't want anything to tamper with it. I mean, you could love any other person. Do you understand? Just not I mean, I don't think you should even give room for the guy to even start talking to you. It's okay for you guys to be friends. I don't know about that. Get me. Oh, I'm not saying it's wrong. It's not wrong. You can love anybody. After all, if you met him before her, you would have dated him, right? Not before. and and your friend has already broken up with him, which makes it okay for you to be with him. But if you consider the love you have for your friend, the respect you have for your friend, and just the entire relationship you have with your friend, I don't think you should give room for him to talk to you enough for you guys to develop feelings for yourselves. What? I disagree. That's my take on it. I hear you. I hear what you're saying, but I disagree. And this is why I said in adulthood it's very important to understand that um your feelings are your feelings regardless of whether is your friend's friend or your neighbor or your whatever as long as it's not like family like incest siblings and cousins first of all. Now secondly your friend who had a relationship with this person that has now broken up. You people have broken up. I don't understand. The person is supposed to move on and date other people, other people. Whoever the other person is is none of your business. Truth be told, it doesn't it shouldn't affect you. It's not because you've moved on, so to speak. But I feel like most of the people who get very upset about their friends dating their ex still have feelings for that their ex. The only reason Yeah. They only have feelings. The only reason you're upset is because you still have feelings for your ex. That's why you're bothered about who your ex is now dating. I think this is exactly what happened with Papaya ex and Miriam. Oh, really? So, yeah. So, they had a fight and and according to the story, so it's like very patchy cuz I didn't really go down to find out what happened. But so, according to them, Miriam started going out with Papaya's ex and then Miriam started cussing her out. Like, it was a full-on trend on Tik Tok. So why was the girlfriend cussing out the provincial? Because papaya called Miriam out for going out with her ex-boyfriend and then Miriam says he wasn't even your ex-boyfriend. Of course you guys had a thing or two, but it's not like you guys were committed to saying. So it's is that kind of thing and they are no longer friends by the way. Yeah, obviously like since one is still in love with the other. But then the only thing that I must say about the idea of dating your friend's ex is you kind of need to talk about it honestly. And the only reason you're talking to your friend about it is only because of the respect you have for your friend. Not because Yeah. Not because you owe them that. You know me, I don't I don't really like all that fakery and all that pretense is not really my thing. I'm a very straightforward type of person. So if like for the respect that I have for my friend, I would tell you, oh by the way, I met this person. We've been talking and yeah and I think that you know da da da. It's not because I'm trying to say should I. No, that's none of y'all. So you can either get with it or decide what you want or just decide what you want to do with yourself because relationship can be cute especially when the world thinks it's not meant to be. Besides, yeah, he's always so nice. It's like ASAP and Rihanna. Like, come on. Honestly, what are you saying? All those obstacles means that this is supposed to Another thing too about all these type of things is God can bring that guy closer to your circle because of you, but it is from your friend and that's supposed to be a good thing. And sometimes some relationships don't work. Even it could even be that your friend is the problem in the previous relationship. That's why he's spoiled. he could actually be a good guy, you know, and the relationship might not have worked for them, but we'll work for you for you. So, yeah. So, that's what I mean. So, I feel free that. So, if you like, that's fair. You know me, I'm a sentimental person. You can continue with that idea. But personally, I just feel like it should be a conversation and that's that. Other than the conversation, I'm not asking for your opinion. I'm not trying to be afraid of you or no, none of that. That's fair. My relationship is personal and it's not supposed to be even your business. Like why is it paining you? No, it's not because you are the new person chopping the hair. No, but it's not about it. No, I mean the friend like why is he Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that the only reason it hurts Sha is if you still have feelings and if you still have feelings for your ex, I don't think that your friend should even be speaking to the guy in that like in that manner. No, no, no, no. Nobody will know because you know most friends like to lie that I beg let him [ __ ] off that's on them like he snooze that he's lost you know all the type of thing people don't like to admit that they are the ones that's on them though but I don't really think that that really happens in like that's why I said in adulthood in adulthood when you are liking the person you are liking the person every time you see the guy I mean even when you watch movies when there are some girls that see the and then the friends know yeah they are very straightforward about it. I don't think that matters of the heart or like your emotions are things that you should be playing with at all. If you decide to play with it, whatever you see, collect it with your full chest though. And if you love somebody, hold the person. If the person dumped you, beg I didn't I didn't because to get back no love to love somebody, who will you love again? If you know that it's going to take you 10 years to heal, beg that B. beggar. I don't know about that because beg this person. Some people never heal. See the issues I have with begging a man. All right. A man doesn't like it when you're begging him. That's the truth. True. When when you start to beg him, you start to look sloppy. You start to look like worthless. Like you don't even know your own worth. So why should he see your own worth? So I'm not about women begging men, but you can. I mean if it's a marriage, if it's a union that you know that there are more other things involved that is much more than only your feelings. Yeah, you can you can have that conversation. Well, begging is not really my vibe. My dear, back to what I said. If you like someone, you like this person, especially when you know that you're the one who faulted, beg. Yeah. Yeah. If you're wrong, apologize. Beg. Beg. They dump you. Beg again. I don't know. They beg you. They stay for one week. I'm not down for it. Or two weeks. If you realize that, you know that you're not healing anytime soon. Beg again. Oh, so this is you. Keep begging. No, because you know why? You know that. No, I'm for real. I'm for real. Because I'm a very emotional person and and if I like you, if I like you, it's almost impossible for me to unlike you. Okay. Not even your bad habits. So, wait. I just want to ask you something since we are talking about baby. How many times do you apologize when you do something wrong? Uhhuh. So you now know that when talking half of it half of it is now. That doesn't change that. That doesn't change that. You know, I'm not someone who really projects my vulnerability, right? I wish I knew. No, I wish I said, but it doesn't change that for every second I go without talking to whoever it is, I feel it. Who? Even the person even the person that was offended still feels it. Everybody feels it. But how many times do you actually beg, bro? I don't really beg. But I'm advising you beg. Oh, I beg. Beg, beg. Because you have to swallow it the way I've been swallowing it. Like moving forward, I want to learn how to beg. I want to learn how to keep begging because that's so far I will suffer it alone. I'm not alone. I don't know how to replace people. Well, you guys already know where I stand. I'm not I'm not about that. I mean, I can apologize. I agree. I can apologize. I can, you know, try to take the necessary steps to adjust things and make things right. But I don't I don't subscribe to the idea of begging anybody in the first place. And then how much more now man where already he won't do you like say what is wrong with this girl she doesn't know nothing he will now spo nothing nothing nothing is going to be giving you effort moving forward yeah so I'm not really down for that okay well we've been talking for the last couple minutes and I hope that you guys have been able to pick a thing or two out of this week's episode right it will be said that you should beg and beg and beg keep begging I said, "No, do not explain yourself and keep it moving." Actually, yeah. Until next time, guys.