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Unknown: Yeah, but he called me
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Edwin's doing Letterman tonight,
and then we're at bogarts in

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Cincinnati tomorrow, and we need
you there with the show learned

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and everything. So I joined that
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middle of like a 327 gig year

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327 gigs, that's like two on
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do 21 straight nights with no
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This is the rich Redmond show.

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You got into education, because
that's always that's really

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confused me. It's like a
drooling drummer is teaching.

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What great Fourth for God, you
go young. Yeah, they're 910,

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years

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old. But there's actually,
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because it's before the hormones
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yes, yeah, once the hormones
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anything, because

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I do have experience, like when
I moved here in 97 you know, I

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did Park some cars and wait some
tables and make some copies, do

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data entry, all that kind of
stuff, right, right? But, but I

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was like, Oh my God. Like, you
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make I think it was like $76 a
day as a substitute teacher. And

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it really wasn't that bad. I
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your time, like with classroom
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is nice enough to leave some
lesson plans, and you know what

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the heck you're gonna do? It's
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always try to do like, K through
four, yeah, because I could feel

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like I was actually affecting
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know, whereas after the the
puberty hits, yeah, it's just an

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uphill battle. Yeah, they start.
They Sass you, yeah, that's

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when they're in elementary
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afraid of you, and they really
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by the time they get to middle
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out the window. So I don't know
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there. Yeah, like, in second
grade, they're like, are you,

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Mr. Redman, are you coming out
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the recess? I was like, Yeah,
I'll come out with you guys. You

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know what I mean? Then your next
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bars.

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It's called the structure, yeah.

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Oh yeah, the structure. It's
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I love him. Did you see,

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did you see your favorite? Oh
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love all well.

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I mean, it's like, you know,
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him last year for my birthday.
We were like, fifth row in the

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round at the Bridgestone. We
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were like, two rows away from,
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because he picked on everybody
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came and he had, like, you know,
like, a purple suit on some

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crazy hat and a giant wallet
chain. And do you wanted to be

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picked on, covered with rings
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Sebastian was like, Let me
guess, you're a musician. He

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goes, he goes, a producer.

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Oh, no, man.

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Oh, excuse me, a producer. The
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he was like, man, Nashville is
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music. I mean, as soon as I land
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a bar right there. Somebody's
singing. I go in the bathroom.

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Some guy's got a fucking drum
set in the bathroom, dude. I'm

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trying to pee in peace here,
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funny thing, he said, he was
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And so all these people from New
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look at I'll give you $2 million
get the fuck out of your house

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right now.

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I'll take the 2 million, but
where would I buy Exactly,

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yeah, I gotta say, Yeah, I made
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of our texts. Limitless. Chris
Hemsworth, oh, did you guys

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watch it yet? No, okay, do tell
Jim. It's like the second

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season. He's doing these things.
It's a show called limitless. Is

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it based on the movie Limitless?
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about human endurance and brain
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apparently, if you want to
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brain as we age, they say, do
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bridges the right and left
lobes, right and you know it one

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of those exercises could be
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chooses the drums,

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and he has how many weeks? He's
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learn, weeks to learn how to
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play it. It's not like he's just
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School of Rock. He's gotta go
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hit for

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what's the Irish kid with the
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Yeah, and he's got to play it at
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Yeah? And, of course, it doesn't
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specimen of a human.

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But the funny thing is, is that
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around, yeah? Like, not just a
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He's got a stick in each hand,
and he's just carrying them

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around, like they're, you know,
an accessory, yeah, well, it's

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great, like, you know Kevin
Kevin Murphy.

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No, let's talk about Kevin
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Anyways, Murph place, if he was
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Kevin Dylan, Matt Dillon's
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yeah, I got to know each other
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Edwin fan. He came out to a lot
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how to play drums enough to be
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always hanging with me. That's
killer. And he was always just,

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I go, do it. Do it. You go,
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do the whole he would do this.

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He's, I love the fact that he
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god, yeah, because his brother
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and playing a part that he was
born to play. Yeah. He like his

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pedigree for that, but he was
typecast bro.

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But what am I? What am I?
Chopped liver.

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You always said that, like, you
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See him in a while. Is he okay?
He's, I don't know. We're not

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friends, friends. I just wonder
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because he had a nice little
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And, I mean, I actually just
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the first time, like, a few
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good with Haley, Joel Osment,

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Oh, that's right, yeah. He was,
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yeah. But grown up better,

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all grown up, yeah. So who

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is that that we have in the
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first father and son drum duo,
Dave and Nick Harrison are here

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now. Dave is a drummer and a
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teacher. His son, Nick is a
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engineer. The Harrison family
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that? Morgantown, West
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went to West Virginia
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he moved to Nashville, called
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was the gone country era. Like
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wrong there. Like, I mean, Alan
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it was meteoric. And then you
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January 1996 over the next 10
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including the monster hit, I'll
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get to work with great
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Olivia Newton, John, who need
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that story. And then you got
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I'll clarify that. Yeah, okay,
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And then, and then Nick, you
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study with Lalo? I studied with
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amazing couple. They're amazing.
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strum and Bugle Corps. Yeah, I
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to hear about that because, you
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marching band for eight years,
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hands. But it's a different
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lifestyle.

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So it sets you up for success as
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preparation, oh, yeah, long
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themselves discover how to
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like, it's, it is a very quiet
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because it is. There's only a
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on those lines, highly
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doesn't pay no, it's like you're
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something, you know? Yeah,
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Oh, yeah. But now I bet, I bet
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where you're keeping in touch
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them, at least weekly, if not
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went to school with at MTSU, who
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down the street from now. Yes,
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place. Yeah. So the playing is
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level, and the marching is at
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crab walking and speed walking
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because I was in the marching
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I always be focusing on the
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know, you got 20 steps, and by
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over here to the letter J.

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I did a season of mystique as
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designer, would come in, and he
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you can make that in seven
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try and fail, and he would be
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You can make it happen. Yeah. So
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that really that
improvisational? No, do stuff

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like this. It's very curious,
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these marching bands that do,
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At the Texas Tech, we had a 400

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piece marching band, and
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week to put a show together. Oh,
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yeah. The world, do you

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dance choreography? Pretty much
it's different. I mean, every,

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every group has a different
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the most part, there are, there
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drill, create choreography
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dealing with 154 people at once.
Mystique is an indoor program,

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so it's 40 kids, and half of
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line. So it was a little bit
easier for for people to come in

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and kind of just, you know, have
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shapes, some forms, they look at
the floor, they look at the

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kids, and kind of just pieces
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Is that the Music City mystique?
Yes, Music City Mystique Is that

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Tom Hurst, you know, Tom,

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Tom found. At infinity down in
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Mystique is one of the oldest
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were founded in 95 something
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the cadets from? Cadets are from
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Pennsylvania. But when I was
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Allentown. And how long had they
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in them, when I marched,

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it was their 85th anniversary.
Amazing, incredible history.

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Yeah, it was, it was a beautiful
thing to, I mean, like, you

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know, you see a lot of alumni
come to other drum corps and

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support them, and that's
awesome. But to see, like, 100

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year old alumni come in and
support us was, was pretty

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100 years old. Oh yeah, they got
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saying. Like it was, it was, it
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a beautiful thing to see. You
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testament to a culture though,
you know, is that they're

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willing to come back and pay
tribute and revisit and

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everything that's it meant
something in their lives. So it

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huge, oh yeah. And, you know,
it's, I'm sure a lot of people

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can talk about their individual
experiences with their drum

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corps and how powerful it was,
but it just couldn't help, like

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I couldn't help but feel that
cadets just was extra special,

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yeah, for their age and their I
mean that part of the world has

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an intense culture in terms of
loyalty, work ethic, work ethic.

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Yeah, exactly. So I don't know
it was, it was, it was amazing.

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A lot of locals there that came
to support us, and

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and you were a snare drummer,
yeah, you're the best of the

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best. And it's hard to get on
that thing and stay on that

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thing. And what is it? 1010?
People on a certain line?

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Yeah, we had eight that season.
So usually eight to nine, eight

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to nine.

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Typical 10. If you're crazy, I
don't like that. I don't like

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the odd number. I would go to
eight. That's fair. Yeah, eight

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is great. 10 Songs are not an
odd number.

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No. Tom Sawyer, is it

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really an odd

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bridge? Well, yeah, oh no.

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I'm thinking of like an odd
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as opposed to 96

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you know what I mean? I worked
with some producers that would

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not cut and cut at odd

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times gonna be 96.9

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Yeah, I had no idea that
happened. Yeah,

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that's great. It's not I go,
Well, we're clocked in at 87 it

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feels really good. Make it 88
for no other reason other than

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it's even instead of

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odd. Is it kind of like a
superstition in a way? Or Yes,

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really?

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And there's certain like, well,
there's crazy things. Remember,

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like

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Ralph Murphy, you know, he was
one of these guys. I think he

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was at like, bmi or ascap, or
one of the big performance

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organizations for many, many
years. And he mentored so many

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up and coming singer
songwriters. And he would tell

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kids like, look, look at if you
study all the hit songs

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throughout history, a lot of
them would be cut in certain

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keys and and there's, there's
some, like, favored BPMs that

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hit songs tend to fall into. So
there is somewhat of, like a

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dark art or a science behind
some of this stuff. Sure, if

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I marched for four years at
Texas Tech University, and we

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had this organization called
zeta, Iota, tau zit, and that

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was the drum line. And I think
they had their huge like 100

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year anniversary or something
like last Saturday. But of

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course, I had a family vacation
planned in Long Island, New

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York. So are they, like, are you
coming? I was like, No, I can't

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come. But that I sent some
heads, like some signed heads

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and stuff to like to auction, to
like to help the program and

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stuff. But that, you know, I'm
glad for that experience,

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because it gives you chops. It
gives you hands that are always

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there, but not the kind of hands
you guys got. I mean, it's some

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dense stuff

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they I mean, they. Was 15 hours
a day sometimes, of just

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training

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on those Formica countertop,
Remo, right?

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Yeah, yeah, we play on those
Kevlar heads.

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I mean, all the balance, no
problems, no problems

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with the thing is they, man,
they teach you, they teach you

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how to protect yourself. You
know, that was, that was

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something that I really took
away to, you know, bring into my

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drum set world is, how do I play
and continue to play and feel

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good and not, you know, you
know, tense up, not, you know. I

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know a lot of guys who did the
drum corps stuff are a little

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older than me, who are dealing
with, you know, tendinitis

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problems, or, you know, early
on, arthritis,

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yeah, little tennis elbow right
now.

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Not to mention that, you know,
marching sticks are like coat

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hanger dowels. I mean, they're
so thick together. You know,

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baseball, yeah, it's, I just
don't get it,

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Dave, did you ever play with the
Dennis DeLucia model? It was,

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like a so thick, and that's what
I would use to, like, practice

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and warm up. And then when you
get on the kit, you get

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something a little lighter, and
you're like, I'm flying with

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these things.

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You know, when I was in college,
we used a, I think it was a, I

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think it was a pro Mark stick,
but it didn't have a bead on it

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at all. It just tapered

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and then stopped. It was a
weapon.

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It was a baton,

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you know, I mean, I was always
the worst guy on the snare line.

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I didn't have the hands that
even, even the business majors

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had,

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but you had the groove that made
his songs, buddy. But the other

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thing I noticed about you, Nick,
is I was like, I was like, on

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your Instagram, and I was like,
Oh, my God, this guy's got such

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a great everything happening for
because in my experience, and I

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know this is not a hard and fast
rule, but a lot of the guys that

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can play super, super dense,
intense stuff, as as snare

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drummers at the highest level,
you get them on the kit, and

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they can't always go, boom,
whack, boom, boom, whack, and

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make it feel good. And you do
well, you have the discipline

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not to do all the stuff

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well. I mean, it's also, it's
just a taste thing too. It's

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like, I know a lot of snare
drummers, you know, from cadets

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who were great jazz guys. I
loved what they were doing. I

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know guys who were great gospel
dudes. And, you know, I just

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kind of like, you know, because
my dad, I grew up listening to

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records and albums and listening
to, you know, studio players.

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What was the first album he
turned you on? Was like, hey,

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hey, kid. I

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feel like my earliest, earliest
memories are probably the

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greatest hits, Rufus record, Oh,
wow. Throw in some Isley

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Brothers, nice, I mean stuff
like that. Yeah, side, say

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again, lakeside, yeah. You know,
a lot of like, Motown R B, those

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are there you go. And, of
course, oh yeah, average white

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band, can you know? Oh, nice.
Never not

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talk about them.

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I had all my stuff was in Google
Play and but my I only had two

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songs in iTunes, and it was pick
up the pieces and person to

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person by the average white
band, yes, and my van would just

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automatically go to Apple, you
know, iTunes. And I never, ever

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turned it off. Just same songs,
two songs over those two songs,

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and then I put in whatever I
wanted to hear. Yeah, I never

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turned it off. So I probably
listened to pick up the pieces

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in person to person every day
for six

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years. I'll get on, I'll get on
a kick like that where, like,

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I'll find, like, when Lucinda
put out car wheels on a gravel

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road 1999 I was just like, over
and over and over and so

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good people go like, Have you
heard this record? I'll listen

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to that when I'm done. Listening
to the first average white band

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record. But so far, yeah, I'm
not done still in

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so what was your did you come
from a musical

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family? Yeah. But my parents
were classical musicians. My mom

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was a music major. They met in
music school, yeah? My dad, who

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is 93 and just stopped playing
the cello, essentially, when he

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had an accident about a year, a
little over a year 93 that's

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wonderful, yeah. And so he was
taking cello lessons from Jenny

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Young, who was Reggie Young's
wife, and I would drive him down

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every Saturday for his cello
lesson. He have an hour long

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cello lesson. I would ride my
bike on the Natchez Trace and

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come back and take him home, but
he studied cello. So they were

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very much a very musical family,
you know, nice. And then I just

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got the bug, and, you know,
started on piano, and then a

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year of trombone, and

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I was pretty good on the
trombone for my music education

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degree.

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You know the difference between
a dead skunk in the road and a

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dead trombone player in the
road? No, you're gonna tell us,

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though, the skunk might have
been on his way to a gig.

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Jim, yes, not bad timing.

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I wanted to and I had really
good pitch. So the band director

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was heartbroken, because he had
20 kids, wanted to play drums,

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yeah, and I had this, you know,
really good sense of pitch,

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which came in handy when I was
your background vocal guy. Oh,

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yeah, I did all the background
backgrounds with Edwin.

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That makes you really, much
harder to get rid of. Yeah. Oh

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yeah, when you got that in a
band marketable, yeah?

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But now, I mean, it's funny now
when people hire me to do

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something and they're like, oh
yeah, we want you to sing too.

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And I'm usually like, no, yeah,
just because singing behind

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Edwin was was a dream come true,
is easy to do. I have a high

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voice. I can hit really high
notes, so I could do those

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singing above, but I can't do
oohs and ahs because

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I'm yeah,

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I'm moving Yeah, and I don't
like it. So I just do what I can

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and what I can. If it comes very
easily to me, I can do it very

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well. If I have to work on it,
it's a disaster. You can ask

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tripper. Tripper had me in the
MIPS for a while doing

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background vocals and
percussion. Trip writer, yeah?

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And he wrote out these parts.
And I'm like, Dude, you think

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you're talking to a background
vocalist, yeah, not just saying

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it hard and loud behind Edwin.
You know, that's not necessarily

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what you're looking for.

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Always respected it so much. You
know, we had Stan Lynch on, I

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mean, so he's up there. You get
the Phil Collins's of the world,

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like Stuart Copeland would jump
on, jump up on some of that

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stuff. Yeah, levant Levon is,
oh, come on, that I don't

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know how Carter sang and like
that employed the way he did.

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That's, that's

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special, yeah? But no, it's
really funny, because I never,

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ever struggled with it. No
matter what I was doing on the

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kid, I always found it like it
just came out easily. The fifth

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limb, I was always singing,
yeah. And, you know, when I grew

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up playing along with Nigel
Olsen on Elton John records, I

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was always singing, playing, and
so it was just second

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nature. Isn't that a dude to
aspire to? I mean, he's right

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there in the great in the
pantheon for me. Of like, you

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know, the first thing that I
ever got a copy of on with on

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eight track was Elton John's
Greatest Hits, Volume One, so

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you had honky cat, you had
Daniel, you had Saturday nights,

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all right for fighting,

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wow, oh yeah, no. Like, the
first thing I ever played, like,

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dropped a needle on the on the
record and played along with,

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with my kit, was goodbye. Elvi
wrote, yeah. I learned that

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whole album. And then about 15
years ago, me and Mike Webb put

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together a band with Tony obrada
and, like, some serious cats and

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did, like the long players type
thing. That's killer, because we

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just wanted to do is Tony still
playing with Chicago, yeah. How

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do you believe different? You've
heard that. How he got that gig.

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That's the crazy

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story. Last minute be

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available. He was in line at
will call to pick up tickets.

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Tell Jim the story.

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He went to see Chicago and was
and they had left tickets where

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he knew people because he worked
with Satara before, or whatever.

438
00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:31,340
Yeah, and this is the way I
heard this, right? I haven't, I

439
00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:34,700
can't verify it's total
accuracy, but he had gone to see

440
00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:37,100
them that night. Was standing in
line at will call to get his

441
00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:39,320
tickets, and got a phone call
and said, We need you on stage

442
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,520
tonight now. Oh, wow. And so he
had to go and play the other

443
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,680
guy's rig, and, yeah, and still
has the gig.

444
00:22:44,679 --> 00:22:46,959
So I know I'd be like, Hey, let
me pee first, okay,

445
00:22:47,860 --> 00:22:49,120
and chart out the entire show.

446
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:54,220
But I think he knew the book,
because, yeah, he'd been kind of

447
00:22:54,220 --> 00:22:57,220
working on the book. I think
there had been a little bit of

448
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,160
talk talk, you know, but yeah,
just, and I was kind of the same

449
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,760
way with Edwin, like they called
me and said, We need you in

450
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,480
Cincinnati tomorrow night with
the show. Learned, come on. Is

451
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,760
how you got the gig. That's how
I got the gig. Damn. Yeah, I

452
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,300
just showed up.

453
00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:15,420
Well, just while we're on the
subject of Chicago, we just got

454
00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:21,080
to do a quick head bow for Wally
and Daniel de los Reyes, his

455
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:26,240
dad, Wally senior, just passed,
and he had, how old was he? One

456
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,620
hell of a life. 92 years old,
and he still was playing and

457
00:23:30,620 --> 00:23:31,220
passionate

458
00:23:31,220 --> 00:23:34,220
for him. Yeah, you know, getting
back to the singing and playing.

459
00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:38,420
Did you know I actually sang and
play a song when in high school,

460
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,620
my senior year, nice talent show
that's for you. Started

461
00:23:41,620 --> 00:23:45,160
overthinking, thanks. No, I had
to overthink this. It was a song

462
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,980
that was easy to sing and play,
sad but true, by Metallica, I

463
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:57,880
don't know that, sad but true,
right? So, you know, the only,

464
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,380
the only time we had like 16th
notes was, you know, I'm the,

465
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,380
I'm the one who takes you there
whenever the, you know, yes, I

466
00:24:04,380 --> 00:24:05,280
was able to do it.

467
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,800
Nice, Jim, I still do it. I
played a band called The Get

468
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,860
Down boys, and it's like, Victor
Kraus is the bass player and the

469
00:24:10,860 --> 00:24:13,560
Henry brothers. And it's like,
serious musicians, yeah, but

470
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,420
it's live band karaoke.

471
00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:18,540
And so people, there's a song
book, people can come up and

472
00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:19,560
play whatever. They tell

473
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,000
us what song to learn. Oh, so,
like, we did a gig where we did,

474
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,080
like, a Lizzo song, and then
spirit of radio, and then, you

475
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,420
know, it's like, all over the
place. So you have to, you learn

476
00:24:29,420 --> 00:24:31,580
it before that. We learn them
before the gig, before the gig,

477
00:24:31,580 --> 00:24:34,520
and then then these people come
up, yeah, the singers are not

478
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,620
allowed to come to rehearsal.
It's already four hours.

479
00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:39,200
Actually should be people out of
the audience that pay insane

480
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,460
money to come up play those
songs.

481
00:24:40,460 --> 00:24:42,520
I think that's what it is,
because what the gigs we

482
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:48,700
normally play are PTO
fundraisers for schools, yeah,

483
00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:51,580
and they started because their
kids went to these schools, PTO,

484
00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:56,500
PTO, yeah, so, but they're but
they have them at like third and

485
00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:59,380
Lindsley and exit in and all
this stuff. So they've actually

486
00:24:59,380 --> 00:25:02,280
been together. There for 15
years. I joined him about three

487
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:07,680
and a half years ago, yeah. And
so I actually get to sing lead

488
00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:10,800
Yeah, which, you know, I know
where I am in the lead singer

489
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,900
Pantheon, but it's fun and and
because it's karaoke, basically

490
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:22,220
I get to sing Rick James if I
want. So it doesn't make any

491
00:25:22,220 --> 00:25:26,540
sense for me to do that in any
other Yeah. So we actually have

492
00:25:26,540 --> 00:25:31,460
our 15th anniversary show coming
up at the basement on September

493
00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:32,000
19.

494
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,880
It sounds like a Friday to me.
It is a Friday. Of course, I've

495
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,120
gone.

496
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:39,320
So I think we started six
o'clock. We're done at eight. I

497
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:39,500
was

498
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:41,660
the same saying Nick is like,
Hey, do you want to go out and

499
00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:43,900
do the bus? Because you're still
you're so busy in town, doing

500
00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:47,320
the mixing and all that, You're
never home on a Friday. You're

501
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,900
just never, like, even my Legos
with my hairdresser today, and

502
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:52,660
he was like, you know, I don't
work on Mondays, Mondays or

503
00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:55,420
Tuesdays, so you got to catch me
on, like, actually, Thursday.

504
00:25:55,420 --> 00:25:57,880
It's like, Dude, I will never
catch you on a Thursday. But so

505
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,100
he squeezes me in at 8am on
Wednesday mornings,

506
00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:04,140
but uh, calling the dentist from
the RIP, and I broke a tooth,

507
00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:07,560
and I'm gonna be in town for one
day. Could you please fix it?

508
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,260
I know just people in Nashville
understand I might look like,

509
00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:12,900
you know, I'll call my doctor.
I'm like, look at, you know, I'm

510
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:16,380
an entertainer. I really need to
get please. Can you get me in?

511
00:26:16,380 --> 00:26:17,820
And they're like, oh, right, you
know?

512
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,620
Well, when I first joined Edwin,
they were in they I kind of

513
00:26:21,620 --> 00:26:24,980
joined him in the middle of a
tour. I did a sub thing for two

514
00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:27,800
weeks, and then, like a third
night, everyone comes up, like,

515
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,440
is someone told me, you sing
like a bird. I was like, I can

516
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,020
sing. Yeah. So I started doing
backgrounds, and it's we got

517
00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:36,560
along great. Who did you
replace? A guy named Todd Hall.

518
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,980
TJ Hall is his original drummer,
and TJ was also from West

519
00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:44,200
Virginia and but you know,
Edwin's saxophone player was the

520
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,660
best man at my wedding, Craig
shields. We've been best friends

521
00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:49,180
since I was in junior high, and
he was in high school, nice. And

522
00:26:49,180 --> 00:26:51,520
I used to go watch him and go,
that's the coolest guy I've ever

523
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,760
seen. He's still the coolest guy
I've ever known. Yeah, but he

524
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,700
called me up and he's like, hey,
you know Edwin's doing Letterman

525
00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:00,720
tonight, and then we're at
bogarts in Cincinnati tomorrow,

526
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,240
and we need you there with the
show learned and everything. So

527
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,060
I joined that band, but they
were in the middle of, like a

528
00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:09,300
327 gig year

529
00:27:10,139 --> 00:27:14,759
327 gigs. That's like two on
Sundays, a Monday, a Tuesday.

530
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,360
We would do 21 straight nights
with no break. And that's hard

531
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,620
on his voice. There were three
hour shows, and he's out there,

532
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,220
you know, just yeah, there's
titanium and leather. Three hour

533
00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:28,700
shows. No breaks, no no. Well,
we got a break. Yeah? Evan would

534
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,060
stay out and do, like, acoustic
seal songs and stuff.

535
00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:35,000
Wow. He sang, like, full bore,
because in the early days it was

536
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,680
very collegey. You're on the
circuit, right?

537
00:27:36,679 --> 00:27:39,979
Yeah. And clubs, yeah. Exit in,
type clubs, everywhere

538
00:27:39,979 --> 00:27:42,819
we went, yeah. So he played,
like, very like, non college

539
00:27:42,819 --> 00:27:44,799
towns, like Boston, you know, I

540
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,480
wouldn't worry about it.

541
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,060
What vocal part did you have?
The high part?

542
00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:53,260
Um, well, if it's in the studio,
it's Edwin, yeah, because that's

543
00:27:53,260 --> 00:27:56,980
like, so he's screwing the screw
like this. So that's all him.

544
00:27:56,980 --> 00:27:59,080
That's all him. That's all
Edwin, yeah, yeah. Because, I

545
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,640
mean, he just, he can, he can
hit anything he wants. Yeah? You

546
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,460
know, his voice is better now
than it was then, but,

547
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,640
but in live situations,
situations, it was always me,

548
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:09,900
you had to do the high part,

549
00:28:09,899 --> 00:28:13,139
yeah? Wow, yeah, yeah. Now, did
you leave to make the high part?

550
00:28:13,139 --> 00:28:13,499
But I do

551
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:14,520
it really badly. I

552
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,880
made babies, and then that kind
of caused me to leave, yeah,

553
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,600
because I didn't want to be I'd
already missed a lot of like, he

554
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,780
was still in the NICU. He came
early, and I had to rush home

555
00:28:23,780 --> 00:28:26,660
for his birth, and then he was
still in the NICU, and I had to

556
00:28:26,660 --> 00:28:29,660
get back. Nick was in the NICU,
yeah, that's why we named

557
00:28:30,260 --> 00:28:32,360
him Nick man. You were on that
gym

558
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,140
there's there's trombone.

559
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,180
And then I had his younger
brothers. I have twin boys, and

560
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,680
I was out on the road, and, you
know, it just seemed like it was

561
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,140
the right time to do something
else. And I had fallen into

562
00:28:50,140 --> 00:28:54,100
subbing as a lark. I didn't need
it. I just did it because it was

563
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,440
fun, and I started getting
really interested in it.

564
00:28:56,439 --> 00:28:58,419
Well, some of some of these
names you have in there, I know

565
00:28:58,419 --> 00:29:01,199
that our friend Nick Buda played
he played he played with Cindy

566
00:29:01,199 --> 00:29:03,779
Thompson, he played with Rachel
Proctor, he played with Carolyn

567
00:29:03,779 --> 00:29:05,579
Don Johnson. So you guys
probably threw some

568
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:08,160
gigs back and forth. Yeah, we
did. And it's so funny that when

569
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,880
the twins were born, they also
were very premature, and so they

570
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,280
came, they were supposed to be
at the end of February, and they

571
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,040
came on Christmas Eve. Oh, wow.
And I had a standing date at the

572
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,620
House of Blues in Orlando the
day after Christmas that we had

573
00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:21,620
done, like, six years in a row
or something like that. And I

574
00:29:21,620 --> 00:29:24,620
knew I couldn't go. I just I
couldn't go, yeah, so I called

575
00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:27,380
Nick beard, and I was like, and
would you please go sub this gig

576
00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:30,200
for me? So he went. He did the
week all the way through New

577
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,020
Year's for me. And I was so
grateful. And he came back, and

578
00:29:33,020 --> 00:29:36,200
he actually scrubbed in and went
in and held the babies with me.

579
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,140
And, oh, these guys are like,
tight. I love Nick. Yeah, Nick,

580
00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:44,320
haven't seen a while. He was an
early he was probably a guest

581
00:29:45,940 --> 00:29:48,520
post covid, maybe like 21 Yeah.

582
00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:51,460
Listen to that one, yeah. But it
was funny, because when I went

583
00:29:51,460 --> 00:29:53,560
back to work with Edwin, you
know, I saw it, when I said,

584
00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:56,380
Man, how about boy do he goes.
That guy showed up looking for

585
00:29:56,380 --> 00:29:58,540
work. I was like, Yeah, you can
play.

586
00:29:59,260 --> 00:30:02,760
That guy showed up. Looking for
work. That's amazing.

587
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,780
Well, I just did a gig with this
get down band. I accidentally, I

588
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:09,300
do a lot of bike packing your
bike.

589
00:30:09,420 --> 00:30:12,540
You talking about a motorcycle,
no bicycle because you because

590
00:30:12,540 --> 00:30:14,040
you're screaming to hurt
yourself if

591
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,160
you guys rode my bike all the
way across the state of Missouri

592
00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:19,140
the first week of July this
year, 1821,

593
00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:23,360
2121 two by 11,

594
00:30:23,420 --> 00:30:25,820
it's right, seven and three,
travel bike, um,

595
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,840
so we just you got a backpack
full of, like, Nutritional Bars

596
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,260
and stuff.

597
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:33,140
Lots of Nutritional Bars,
little, little kitchen. Set up.

598
00:30:33,140 --> 00:30:36,020
You gotta have your tent. Yeah,
you know your, uh, everything

599
00:30:36,020 --> 00:30:38,720
you need. This is your zen place
that you do for your spirit.

600
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,360
Best. This guy, like dropped,
drove me from St Charles to this

601
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,840
I can't remember the name of it
now, Clinton. Clinton, Missouri,

602
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:50,440
nothing, little town. Clinton,
Misery. Oh, you have no idea it

603
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,160
was pouring rain the entire time
out there. He drops me off. It's

604
00:30:54,160 --> 00:31:00,600
pouring rain, and he leaves. And
my car is now 245 miles away,

605
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,680
and here's this bicycle, and I
gotta ride the bike back to my

606
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,620
car. Oh, so it's not even your
bike. No, it's my bicycle. Okay

607
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,560
with me, but I have to pay a guy
to take me so that I can come

608
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,580
back to my car. And it

609
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:13,500
was west to east, east to west
to

610
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:17,400
east. Gotcha so and it just
poured rain the first two days,

611
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,980
and I was and I was by myself. I
was supposed to do it with a

612
00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:22,760
friend of mine, but he had to
cancel last minute, so it was

613
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,000
just

614
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,220
me. How was was that about a
week,

615
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,440
six days, six days of

616
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,120
riding. It's pretty cool, man.
So,

617
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,880
so and it poured rain the first
two days, and it's crushed

618
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,220
gravel, so it's almost like
trying to ride a bike on the

619
00:31:37,220 --> 00:31:40,300
beach. Oh yeah. And I was
miserable. I was so miserable, I

620
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:43,180
almost called him and said, come
pick me up. Come pick me up. I

621
00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:47,620
know it's 11 hours, but please,
come get me again. I did it, but

622
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,060
I had accidentally booked this
bike trip over an existing gig

623
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:55,900
that I had with the Get down
boys. So I sent him to go play

624
00:31:55,900 --> 00:32:01,140
the gig. And so after the gig, I
contacted Dave, the leader of

625
00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:04,140
the band. And I said, How'd the
boy do? And he said he was

626
00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:07,440
menacingly on point, amazing. So
it's

627
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,960
in your blood, man, it's in your
DNA. It was fun. Now your

628
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,520
younger brothers, do they play?
Yeah, Jack is a saxoy player. Oh

629
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,120
my god.

630
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,220
Both of them have a very pretty
natural ability. And just, I

631
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:22,880
think, feel of music like the
way they talk about what they

632
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,500
listen to already is really
awesome, amazing. But Jack's a

633
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:31,220
writer and a saxophonist, and
he's going to school for

634
00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:34,760
composition at MTSU. He's taking
a bunch of classes right now

635
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,940
that I'm giving him some details
on. You know, hey, do this with

636
00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:41,440
this professor. Don't miss this
class. Don't miss the midterm.

637
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,020
Can probably this class a little
bit. You know, that's been

638
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:45,880
pretty fun. Yeah, I've enjoyed

639
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,460
that. That's amazing. I'm like,
I have three boys, and two of

640
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:51,400
them went into music, so I'm
like, Don Corleone at the end of

641
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,960
God, I never wanted this for
you.

642
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Michael, it's tough, but you're
like, crushing it, man. So yeah,

643
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,600
I'm trying real hard, right?
Yeah? A nice home set up, yeah?

644
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,600
And then when did the, you know,
I mean, obviously the playing is

645
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,060
in your DNA. And I heard, you
know, your Instagram, you have a

646
00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:12,480
funny Instagram page name, it's
melody or harmony. What is it?

647
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,840
Harmony and me with little
underscores in between,

648
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,280
yeah, harmony, underscore and
underscore me, two E's,

649
00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:23,060
yeah, was harmony a girlfriend

650
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:26,120
or something? No, that is the
last song on goodbye, yellow

651
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,420
brick road. Oh, my God. Okay.
It's just like, I'm so moved by

652
00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:31,880
and I just made it my Instagram.
I love that one

653
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,640
day that's a little bit harder
for people to follow you.

654
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,220
I've been told that I've I've
been curious whether or not I

655
00:33:37,220 --> 00:33:38,960
should change it, but I like

656
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,620
it. I love that. But I was gonna
say your playing is on point,

657
00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:44,320
that sounds are on point. When
did you discover that you had a

658
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,800
knack for the mixing thing?
Because that's the thing, you

659
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:47,980
know,

660
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,780
and I so I changed majors. I was
doing music ed, so I was

661
00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:57,760
studying percussion with uh Lalo
and Julie Davila. And as much as

662
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,020
I enjoyed it, because I really
did enjoy it, it just I didn't

663
00:34:01,020 --> 00:34:06,960
feel like I was gaining the
skills I wanted. Yeah, so after

664
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:10,560
X amount of time of, you know,
trying to decide what I want to

665
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,520
do, I decided to leave school.
And that's right, I was able to

666
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,440
take just a little basic class
on Pro Tools at school. And so I

667
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,480
was asking Jay took all the time
questions, how do I do this? How

668
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,760
do I do this? And one day, he
just invited me. He was like,

669
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,460
you want to, you want to come
check out Penn tavern. I got

670
00:34:28,460 --> 00:34:31,940
some guys I want to introduce
you to. And so he brought me in,

671
00:34:31,940 --> 00:34:35,600
and which that kind of ended up
turning into, like an unofficial

672
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,540
internship. And I mean, I did
that for almost two years,

673
00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:41,620
probably just going in. You
know, with the way Jay works,

674
00:34:41,620 --> 00:34:45,880
it's incredible. He, he's an
incredible producer. So great,

675
00:34:46,180 --> 00:34:49,000
great visions. And he, what's

676
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,640
the biggest act that he
produces? Remind me, okay, um,

677
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,580
didn't he play with, like, like,
the wild feathers or something,

678
00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:56,860
or what it was with, uh
Americana acts,

679
00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:00,960
steel wood. Yeah, he was with
the steel. Woods. Does he live

680
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,140
here in Nashville? Jay. He just
moved to Muscle Shoals.

681
00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:06,060
Beautiful spot. Muscle Shoals. I
think I met

682
00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:08,220
him, like 12 years ago or
something, and then we got

683
00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:09,540
pulled in different directions.

684
00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:12,300
And I never saw, yeah, he's
working over at noble steed now,

685
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,380
doing amazing records. But yeah,
I just got to see him do his

686
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:19,440
thing. He drummed on everything
he produced. He mixed everything

687
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,360
he was producing. And was just
really able to, like, lay his

688
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,480
hands on the music in a really
cool, really cool way. And that

689
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,120
I was just inspired by that,
yeah, I started, you know,

690
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,860
buying microphones, buying gear,
learning how to record. He told

691
00:35:33,860 --> 00:35:37,040
me the best piece of advice was
to put a mono overhead and a

692
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,860
mono kick on the drum set and
try to make that sound good.

693
00:35:39,860 --> 00:35:42,820
Learn to balance your limbs,
yeah, yeah, exactly, you know,

694
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,700
and you're on the sound
better.com. I looked you up

695
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:49,180
there. You got all your products
and services up there. Yeah, you

696
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:54,580
want this? It's gonna cost this.
You want this? I scour the

697
00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:57,340
internet. Yeah, there's, there's
a, there's a lot of David

698
00:35:57,340 --> 00:36:01,020
Harrison's in music. Is that,
right? Yeah, there's like,

699
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,020
guitar players and composers,

700
00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:06,720
and I got a call one day from
Jeff Coffin. He goes this Dave

701
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,120
Harrison, I said, Yeah, I guess,
Hey, man, I have a friend of

702
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,120
mine who just got a new Mac that
he's setting up in his studio,

703
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:19,080
and I heard that you were the
guy to call. I was like, no, if

704
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,380
you give me an hour in the
manual, I might be able to

705
00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:23,600
figure out how to plug the power
cord, yeah, but I don't know

706
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,760
anything. If you're like, Hey,
Jeff, Let's jam it turned out

707
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,640
there was another engineer in
town named David Harris. Wow.

708
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,480
So, yeah, that's

709
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:33,560
crazy. Well, I found you on
Instagram. Oh, well, that makes

710
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,100
me and I just followed you, and
I found you Dave as well.

711
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:41,020
Yeah, no. Need to follow me. I
just post stupid stuff all the

712
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,040
time. Product,

713
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:49,300
I love the fact that you posted
50 years ago. I was in a theater

714
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:49,600
to see

715
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,720
jaws. I went and saw Josh.

716
00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:58,660
It was unbelievable, dude. I saw
it last night. It's the

717
00:36:58,660 --> 00:36:59,080
greatest.

718
00:36:59,140 --> 00:37:02,820
Wait a minute. What you like? I
was free last night, damn it.

719
00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:03,360
Jaws, in the

720
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,480
future, you went to lunch today,
didn't you didn't invite me.

721
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,660
So, yeah, I went to lunch today.
Yeah,

722
00:37:10,259 --> 00:37:12,479
Kelly, Kelly burrito and myself
at 10am I

723
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,880
got a breakfast burrito when
they was knocking on the door at

724
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,300
958 Why aren't you guys open?
Comes in. He goes, dude, there's

725
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:20,900
10am give him a break. Man.
Chill. Yeah, they haven't even

726
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:21,080
put

727
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,900
out the hot sauces. Call your
friend Jim and see if he wants

728
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:24,440
to

729
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:25,580
join you. Oh, no, okay, Jim.

730
00:37:26,660 --> 00:37:28,040
Jim's a little butt hurts a

731
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:31,340
little bit. Okay. No, I would
have thought. I didn't think you

732
00:37:31,340 --> 00:37:32,000
were in town last

733
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,580
night. That's okay, man. I
watched, you know, all these

734
00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:36,800
movies that you see on the
streaming services that are like

735
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,580
1999 and then two weeks later,
it's 1199 it comes down to 499

736
00:37:41,060 --> 00:37:44,140
and then eventually it works its
way onto Amazon and prime for

737
00:37:44,140 --> 00:37:45,760
free. And so it was the latest

738
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:49,840
Final Destination bloodlines.

739
00:37:51,940 --> 00:37:56,560
So I gotta say, I did actually
bring my teammate, and he saw

740
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,100
the movie for the first time. No
kid, 27 years old, and he's a

741
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:04,500
cinemaphile. He's like, a video,
cinema junkie, and

742
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,140
then he's never seen Josh, the
greatest movie ever made for the

743
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:08,880
first time, right? How much

744
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,720
fun was that? Was awesome for
some for someone like me, yeah,

745
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,560
I've been watching it since I'm
probably five. Yeah, I've seen

746
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,420
it 100 times. I've probably

747
00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:22,640
seen it on the on this, yeah,
big screen. Since I was 13,

748
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,820
did any of the jump scares get
you? Yes, me too.

749
00:38:26,780 --> 00:38:30,740
Like I knew for a fact already
that Hooper was a spoiler alert,

750
00:38:30,740 --> 00:38:34,160
yeah, Ben Gardner's boat movie,
Ben Gardner's boat that was a

751
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,880
great jump scare, but I knew
that Hooper was gonna survive,

752
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,160
yeah, and but when the shark was
coming into the cage. That was

753
00:38:42,220 --> 00:38:44,320
terrible. You think he's gonna
get killed again.

754
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,540
It's also a little bit tainted
by the fact that I used to be, I

755
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,180
don't read as much anymore, but
I used to be this horrible

756
00:38:52,180 --> 00:38:54,580
bookworm. When I was young. I
read Josh before the read

757
00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:57,820
so much different. And Hooper
got killed by the shark. Cooper

758
00:38:57,820 --> 00:38:58,420
was a freaking

759
00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:02,580
douche, Yeah, cuz he was banging
Brody's way. Yeah, Brody shot

760
00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:05,280
Hooper in the neck while the
shark was eating him.

761
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,640
How about one of the greatest
scenes is, the way it's shot is,

762
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,420
is the dudo, who is the police
captain. He's afraid of water,

763
00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:16,020
which is our thing. Yeah, he's
good. Thing is going down, and

764
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:19,200
he's right about to get in. The
shark is coming down. I'm done.

765
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:19,500
I'm done.

766
00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:26,420
It's quite possibly the most
perfectly made movie, yeah,

767
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,260
ever, yeah.

768
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,100
And the great thing about it is
it's perfectly made because the

769
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:32,060
shark didn't work,

770
00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:35,120
and it exactly why, because that
Spielberg had to rely on

771
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,060
Hitchcock esque Yes, scare
tactic he couldn't release

772
00:39:38,180 --> 00:39:39,020
reveal the beast.

773
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,780
Studio was worried and everybody
was sweating bullets, terrible.

774
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,480
Yeah, right, yeah, funny. Have
you seen that the offer on HBO?

775
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,300
Yeah, the making of The
Godfather not yet list. Yeah,

776
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,840
that like, like, the studio was,
like, panicking because this was

777
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,200
going to be a disaster. And now
we're talking about the two

778
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,540
greatest movies. Ever Made.

779
00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:04,140
Do you have a Have you seen
these films? Yeah, okay. Now, do

780
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:06,960
you have a like for your
generation? Is there a film that

781
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,480
resonates with you that's like,
Oh, I gotta watch it. Like, for

782
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,360
me, it's like, alien. I can
watch it over and over and over,

783
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,000
and if I see it, I just clear my
schedule. I'm like, Oh, well,

784
00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:16,740
fuck. There goes to Yeah.

785
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:19,740
I mean, I grew up on a lot of
stuff that. I mean, I'm sure

786
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:23,180
y'all grew up with, like, Star
Wars was the OGs. It was as

787
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:26,780
original one, okay. I mean,
Return of the Jedi, like, at

788
00:40:26,780 --> 00:40:28,160
least my second favorite

789
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,900
movie, okay, yes, except for the

790
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:31,880
Ewoks, yeah. You know, they

791
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:33,920
had to make it cute. I like him
a little bit.

792
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,040
Suck it. He was rude. Shrek is
probably that movie for me,

793
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,020
though. Shrek is Shrek is one.

794
00:40:39,020 --> 00:40:41,740
It is good. That's when they
made like because you were, you

795
00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:46,420
were born in the millennium,
9999 so basically, you remember

796
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,360
having kids around that time.
They made movies that we could

797
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:49,780
enjoy.

798
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,880
Oh no, if I make a list of my
top 10 favorite movies without

799
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,020
genre being, you know, Nemo is
that's good closer to the top

800
00:40:59,020 --> 00:41:00,960
than to the bottom. Like I love
that

801
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,720
movie, psychedelic trip, where
the father actually loses his

802
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,420
son. He's dealing with this
drama, yeah? And plus

803
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:08,940
Ellen DeGeneres, of course.

804
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,620
No, it's, I'll sit and watch, we
watch those. I took him to the

805
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:16,620
theater to see Nemo, and then
when it came out, I bought four

806
00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:19,500
copies. I wanted, one for his
house, one for my house, and two

807
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:20,040
for the bus.

808
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,540
It was a run where they made
great movies for, you know, all,

809
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,780
like, parents could enjoy them
because they were like little

810
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,100
adult jokes.

811
00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:33,260
Yeah, now, and I'm like, that
was not little though, right

812
00:41:33,259 --> 00:41:35,599
my face. Oh yeah, The
Incredibles.

813
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,060
Oh Madagascar too, with Alec
Baldwin,

814
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:41,800
dude. It's loaded I left them
moving. The funny

815
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,680
thing is that you had my kid. We
took my kids to see, I think I

816
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,040
was at my camis first movie,
Madagascar too. Yeah, that's

817
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,380
monsters versus aliens. Yep,
great movie.

818
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:55,240
Oh yeah. How about the Monsters
Inc, with my one eye, Billy

819
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,660
Crystal, whoa. Billy Crystal, I
would say, like, probably

820
00:41:58,660 --> 00:42:01,560
perhaps the greatest host of the
Academy Awards. Oh, by far,

821
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,520
yeah. I mean, Jimmy Kimmel did a
good does a good job

822
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,940
clean. Letterman was the worst
again, but, and

823
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:12,360
who did a fantastic job was
Conan O'Brien.

824
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:16,980
Well, Conan's just, yeah, I've
never watched one minute of any

825
00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:21,860
show Conan has ever had, but I
am addicted to him in YouTube

826
00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:25,040
clips. I will watch Conan
YouTube clips all day long. I

827
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,520
like his podcast. I think so
self deprecating, but I've never

828
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,700
seen because I don't really
watch that kind of TV, like I'm

829
00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:36,380
I was born, you know? I had to
sit through regular TV, like,

830
00:42:36,380 --> 00:42:39,800
knowing when things were on,
yeah, and then this YouTube

831
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,460
streaming thing is just, that's
just what the doctor ordered for

832
00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:45,700
me. Yeah, on demand. I don't
like commercials. I don't like,

833
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:46,420
you know, yeah,

834
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:51,940
anytime, yeah. Now, are you
still you are a Yamaha drum guy.

835
00:42:51,940 --> 00:42:53,920
Are you still Yamaha drunk?
Well, don't

836
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,580
tell anybody. He switched. I
teach math and science to fourth

837
00:42:57,580 --> 00:43:01,260
graders. No, I'm still a Yamaha
guy. But to be honest with you,

838
00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:04,980
I have a Ludwig kit that I
bought. I bought it like

839
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:09,600
somebody bought it for me, and
it's just so easy to throw in

840
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,320
the car and go and nowadays,
like most venues, have a house

841
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:13,860
kit, yeah,

842
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,560
but I saw that you have two
Yamaha kits. And I was like,

843
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,980
maybe they're passed down from
because 119's 82 recording

844
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:20,460
customers.

845
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,260
That's that's his great kid, um,
but he, when I graduated high

846
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:27,620
school, he got me a Yamaha Live
Oak, when that one of the rocks,

847
00:43:27,620 --> 00:43:30,380
one of the original ones, before
they took him off the market,

848
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:33,860
and, you know, revamped them
because they got so popular, and

849
00:43:33,860 --> 00:43:35,960
then put them out for apple
juice. More. I just

850
00:43:36,020 --> 00:43:38,480
didn't know if you can call it,
you know, call the Japanese and

851
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,980
be like, hello. Can I have his

852
00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:43,000
card behind? Dave, who I'll
what.

853
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,000
So now, well, that is, that's a
perfect transition. I was gonna

854
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,540
say. Now, how did you get into
teaching math and science to

855
00:43:49,540 --> 00:43:53,560
fourth graders? And did you go
back to school to get your

856
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,760
your education degree? Yes, I
had an undergrad in applied

857
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,720
music studies, which you know
that and five bucks will get you

858
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:05,340
a cup of coffee. So I decided I
wanted to do it. I kind of, I

859
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,460
kind of fell into it my my
wife's a teacher, and she

860
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,700
suggested that I try subbing.
And so I started subbing, and I

861
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:14,340
really liked it. And I found
myself like on the road with

862
00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:18,180
Edwin, thinking about students
back at the school and and then

863
00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:21,260
I started, I wonder what
Johnny's doing today. Yeah, and

864
00:44:21,260 --> 00:44:24,920
I started learning about the
school to prison pipeline, and I

865
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,040
just looked at this as like, I
think this is something I can

866
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,940
do, and there's a lot of people
that do jobs I can't do for the

867
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:36,620
betterment of people, and this
is what I can do, right? And I

868
00:44:36,740 --> 00:44:39,920
kind of saw the writing on the
wall with what life was going to

869
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,560
be if I didn't do something
different, and I'm not sure I

870
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,320
wanted it, and I just kind of
like I got one life, and I have

871
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,800
multiple interests, so I wanted
to go do this other thing, plus

872
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,620
it gave me insurance. I mean,
Mr. Asthma over here really

873
00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:56,620
needed me to have good
insurance. Get your inhaler. Oh,

874
00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:59,200
he was he gave us, He gave us
some jump scares, that's for

875
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,660
sure. But. And so I just Yeah,
so I went to Tribeca Nazarene

876
00:45:03,660 --> 00:45:09,720
University, got my master's
degree in education, elementary

877
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,340
K through six. Nice. And then I
went to David Lipscomb and got

878
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,080
el classes and got el certified
so students, and I mean, to this

879
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,640
day, I really enjoyed and then,
I mean, there's a lot of can

880
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,040
you, can you speak freely on
this box? Oh, there's a lot of

881
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,440
bullshit that you have to deal
with when you're a teacher. Is a

882
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,160
lot of stuff that's just very,
very difficult. But it doesn't

883
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,740
matter, because at quarter to
eight every day, the kids come

884
00:45:33,740 --> 00:45:37,640
in, and I'm just so happy to see
them. You know, I make fun of

885
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,320
their names, I sing songs about
them.

886
00:45:39,380 --> 00:45:41,620
Now, how many years is that
you've been doing this. That's

887
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:44,800
my 15th year. Okay, so in that
amount of time, you've seen kids

888
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,940
graduate the system, go on to
college, yeah, I've seen some of

889
00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:51,580
that, and some of the other
direction, and becoming, well,

890
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,740
and become adults tax paying,
you know, citizens, yeah, and

891
00:45:56,740 --> 00:45:59,680
that's got to be, you know, I'm
kind of in the same lane, in the

892
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,240
sense that I don't have a job
connected to a specific

893
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,480
institution, but I do a lot of
mentoring, sure, because I never

894
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,360
had kids, and, you know, I'm
working on probably two decades

895
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,320
now of seeing people go on to
moving to a great Music City, or

896
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:16,560
getting into college or becoming
part of the industry, and I'm

897
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,780
like, Man, this is so
satisfying.

898
00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:22,520
Yeah, it's very satisfying,
yeah. And just, you know, my, my

899
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,240
goal is to make this one year of
their life where they can grow

900
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:30,140
and they can enjoy themselves,
and then the rest, you pass it

901
00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:32,720
off to someone else, and
hopefully some kind hands will

902
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:33,500
hit that student

903
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:36,200
as well. Yeah, for me, it was
like the most my goal is to

904
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,600
always be the most memorable
teacher can I, because I had Mr.

905
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,580
White House in sixth grade, and
he was a, he was a British chap

906
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,660
and, and he was just really
pushed us. And, you know, we had

907
00:46:47,020 --> 00:46:50,500
a school newspaper, and he
encouraged us to read, like,

908
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:53,800
insanely advanced literature,
like, remember that book?

909
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,200
There's this book called The
Clan of the Cave bear. It was

910
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,220
that thick. I read that sucker.
He wanted us to read, you know,

911
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,400
all the, you know, The
Canterbury Tales and the

912
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,300
advanced reading summer list.
And I did it in the sixth grade.

913
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:07,980
Yeah, you know. And he did you
do it

914
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:09,480
because Daryl Hannah was in the
movie,

915
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,820
I know you, oh, yes, that's back
when you had, you had, you hit

916
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:18,180
pause, but it was grainy, and
nowadays you can just

917
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:20,900
there it is.

918
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:25,100
But you know, a lot of it too
is, you know, like I said, like,

919
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:31,160
when Nick was born, I had to
leave, and I wanted to come home

920
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,840
and and be a dad, be a dad, you
know, and, and I wanted to be a

921
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,140
dad to his brothers. The three
of them are the three amigos

922
00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:41,680
there. Yeah, they sit around
talking about anime, and do

923
00:47:41,980 --> 00:47:45,820
you have any like like that is,
I want to say appreciation. Are

924
00:47:45,820 --> 00:47:49,240
you aware of that sacrifice? I
mean, do you have any like depth

925
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:51,760
and weight of measure of the
sacrifice he made?

926
00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:57,220
I think about it a lot. I think
sacrifice is a is a harsher term

927
00:47:57,220 --> 00:48:00,180
that I would probably think
about it. I would, you know, I

928
00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:03,240
think it was just the right
decision, even though I, you

929
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:07,560
know, I benefited from it. I do
think, like, that is what,

930
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,320
that's what I would want to do
if I was put in that position.

931
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,680
That is, that is me saying,
like, okay, that that's the job.

932
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:14,760
That is what you have to do.

933
00:48:14,759 --> 00:48:17,639
It's, it was just a decision. I
just made a decision, like

934
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:17,999
something

935
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,560
else, like it was out of your
system,

936
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,520
a little bit out of my system.
I'd done everything. I realized

937
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,700
that, you know, success was
really just a picture of, like a

938
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:31,520
guy holding a picture of
success. It wasn't necessarily

939
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,860
the real thing, like there
wasn't that much behind it.

940
00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:37,340
Because I know that, because, to
this day, I can't go to Publix

941
00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:40,160
and buy olive oil without
hearing myself playing drums.

942
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,320
Yeah, yes, I'm not cool. I'm not
sitting in a Scrooge McDuck

943
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,000
vault rolling around gold coins,
you know? So it wasn't what I in

944
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,940
those in those terms, it wasn't
what I thought it was now, in

945
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:55,300
terms of having experiences,
adventures, and being able to

946
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:58,540
play great music that I was
really proud of, it was more,

947
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,720
yes, I got to play with the
premier singer songwriter and

948
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:06,240
acoustic guitar player of his
generation. Yeah, he's one of

949
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,400
the best musicians I've ever
known and ever played with.

950
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,800
Wonderful people are like, did
you use a click? I was like, No,

951
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,920
I had Edwin. I didn't. He was
the click. Yeah, that dude's

952
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,960
guitar is guitar. He's the best
drummer that's ever

953
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,240
been. Well, that always works
really good on the on the six

954
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:22,460
eight feel, because six eight is
better without a click. It just

955
00:49:22,460 --> 00:49:26,360
is. Yeah, those extra two beats,
those extra pesky two beats when

956
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:26,420
we

957
00:49:26,420 --> 00:49:30,860
when we cut out b the producer,
Matt srlytic, we were sitting

958
00:49:30,860 --> 00:49:34,400
around for an hour while he was
programming the click to get a

959
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,300
little bit faster toward the
bridge and then come back down

960
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:41,680
into the tempo map. Yeah, it's
tempo mapping, and I'm just

961
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,940
sitting there going, let's just
do it old school. Why are you

962
00:49:45,940 --> 00:49:48,040
doing that? Well, we want to
feel more real, and

963
00:49:48,340 --> 00:49:51,220
let's just play it real. Yeah,

964
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:55,600
I was gonna do that anyway.
Yeah, at my time, I felt really

965
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,000
confident with my time. I
thought my time was really good.

966
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,200
It was like, I don't have chops,
I don't. Have independence, like

967
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,320
a lot of people have, but I can
keep time, yeah, all day long.

968
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,340
Now, when did you get married?
What year? Oh, which one, I

969
00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:10,920
guess the one that brought you
everything here, Gigi

970
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:18,300
and I married. I think it was
1985 nice so. And we got

971
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:20,720
engaged, we dated for a week,
and then we got engaged, and

972
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:24,020
then I drove to New Hampshire.
And I moved to New Hampshire

973
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:28,400
because I was studying with Gary
Chaffee in Boston. And after a

974
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,660
summer of that, you know,
comments like, well, you don't

975
00:50:32,660 --> 00:50:35,300
really seem to have any
technique problems, but it's

976
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:40,900
because you don't have any
technique that one that would

977
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:44,500
hit home. But I kind of
realized, like, I love a lot of

978
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:46,780
things, and one of the things I
don't necessarily love is

979
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:49,360
sitting at a drum set for 12
hours a day. I'm not Vinny Cal

980
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,260
you. I appreciate him. You want
to play with songs, songs, and I

981
00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:54,700
want to go fishing, yes?

982
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,240
Just whatever. Yeah. You know,
really good

983
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:02,820
fisherman. Yeah. Now it's my
dad's a lot easier to look like

984
00:51:02,820 --> 00:51:03,360
a fisherman.

985
00:51:04,740 --> 00:51:07,740
You gotta have the gear. My
brother is like a, like a, like

986
00:51:07,740 --> 00:51:08,940
a fly Fisher, fly fish.

987
00:51:08,939 --> 00:51:11,519
Oh, yeah, I haven't gotten it as
RSR, the river.

988
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,400
He makes his own, you know. And,
you know. And then he said, he

989
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,700
said, I want to take you fishing
one time rich. And I was like,

990
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:21,680
do I have to wear those gigantic
boots that go up to your Yeah?

991
00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:25,580
He just cracks up to this day.
He he quotes and be like, do I

992
00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:27,800
have to wear those ridiculous
boots?

993
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,120
Waiters, yeah, into the
bicycling thing. So I do have to

994
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,600
wear the ridiculous shorts. You
have to, because otherwise

995
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,560
you Chief doing distances like
that. Yeah? And I only asked

996
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,280
because I've been really getting
into biking myself. Oh, right

997
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,260
on. And, you know, I actually
want, at my age being so old, I

998
00:51:47,260 --> 00:51:49,780
want to get back. I want to get
more into, like, the E biking,

999
00:51:49,780 --> 00:51:52,600
but not because of the laziness
aspect of it. I just want to

1000
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,340
enjoy it, yeah, and build up my
stamina.

1001
00:51:54,339 --> 00:51:57,639
Yeah, sure, they're great. I
mean, I'm out there on the

1002
00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:01,019
Natchez Trace, and guys on E
bikes are just right past me.

1003
00:52:01,019 --> 00:52:01,919
And I don't, you know.

1004
00:52:01,979 --> 00:52:04,439
So what is it? Is it have like,
a tiny little motor on

1005
00:52:04,439 --> 00:52:08,219
it, or something, got a motor,
and it's pedal assist. So if you

1006
00:52:08,219 --> 00:52:10,619
come up to, like, like, in my
case, there's like, a bunch of

1007
00:52:10,619 --> 00:52:13,919
hills out here. And if I want to
run all the way down to Main

1008
00:52:13,919 --> 00:52:17,519
Street on my bike, it'll, it'll
knock the wind out of you, you

1009
00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:20,579
know, I mean, that's doing its
purpose, right? But with any

1010
00:52:20,579 --> 00:52:22,759
bike, it just, it just, it makes
it more enjoyable.

1011
00:52:22,759 --> 00:52:24,019
Did he wear like, a helmet?

1012
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:28,580
Oh, yeah, I had a bad wreck last
September, and came around the

1013
00:52:28,580 --> 00:52:30,920
corner and the whole bike just
went out from under me, and I

1014
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,020
separated my shoulder. And,
well,

1015
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:35,600
you know about Dennis Holt's
accident? You know Dennis Holt,

1016
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,640
the session drummer in
Nashville. He had, like, a

1017
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,320
horrendous motorcycle or
bicycle, because it because a

1018
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,420
deer. I almost

1019
00:52:43,419 --> 00:52:46,719
got hit by a deer once. How fast
do you go on average?

1020
00:52:46,839 --> 00:52:49,419
I'm not a real speed demon. I
don't really want to go fast.

1021
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,559
Anything over 30 miles an hour.
I'm nervous and I don't like

1022
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,940
it. That's pretty dang fast.
Yeah, I mean, that's, I'm lucky

1023
00:52:57,940 --> 00:52:59,740
if I get, you know, 15 miles an
hour.

1024
00:52:59,740 --> 00:53:03,900
It's funny, because there's a
there's one down, is this Murray

1025
00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:06,720
County? Well, this is
Williamson, but not too far from

1026
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:06,900
right?

1027
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:09,360
So there's one down in Murray
County, Down Columbia that I do

1028
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,940
every year, called the
Scarecrow. And I do it's 45

1029
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,240
miles, and I do that one, and
it's just in a day. And then

1030
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:18,480
then there's gravel ones like
the gravel grinder and the

1031
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,860
gravel revival. And those are
brutal, because those aren't

1032
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:24,740
even roads, they're just
destination. What bike shop do

1033
00:53:24,740 --> 00:53:28,940
you like around here? What's
your choice Mohab, and they do

1034
00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:32,960
most of my work in Franklin,
okay? And then pretty much

1035
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,420
Mohab. Is that where you guys
are? Franklin? No, I live in

1036
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:40,180
Bellevue. Try to drive you guys
had to drive 90 minutes. Yeah,

1037
00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:43,300
we came down early. How about
that traffic? Well, we didn't

1038
00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:45,760
hit any because, you know, I
took a half day off school

1039
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,860
because I knew, like, if I
taught the whole day I wasn't

1040
00:53:47,860 --> 00:53:48,580
gonna get I think

1041
00:53:48,580 --> 00:53:51,280
it's so cool you guys just like,
you know, because this show is,

1042
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,460
like, herding cats. It's like,
you know, the guest list is so

1043
00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:57,880
long, all the people that I want
to get, but then I'll, I'll cast

1044
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,360
the net, and I'll send it out to
eight drummers, and the first

1045
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,000
two that come back like you're
booked, because I, you know, I

1046
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,520
got to get somebody right, so I
appreciate

1047
00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:08,280
you. And I talked about doing it
for a while, and I was kind of

1048
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,320
like, well, why would you know?
And then I thought, you know, it

1049
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,400
might be fun. Yeah, yeah. So I
get to bring my best friend, my

1050
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,960
favorite trimmer in the world.

1051
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,360
I love this. Oh, my God, total.
You know, Jay and Max Weinberg

1052
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,540
situation here, man, yeah, yeah,
Nick

1053
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:26,420
was playing saxophone in the
band, and then one day he just

1054
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,700
comes to me, he goes, Dad, I
really want to play drums. Like,

1055
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:32,660
well, we got him, so he just
started playing. And I'd never,

1056
00:54:32,660 --> 00:54:35,060
I don't think I ever gave you a
drum lesson, ever.

1057
00:54:35,180 --> 00:54:39,140
He taught me how to play 50 ways
and pretty shuffled

1058
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,460
nice. But those are intensely
complicated. It wasn't the

1059
00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:45,520
first. I still can't play them.
Yeah, the pretty shuffles

1060
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:50,320
belongs to a futures and people,
yeah, many people should, yes. I

1061
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,340
see a lot of people

1062
00:54:51,340 --> 00:54:55,900
using it because you got, you
got the little quiet footnote,

1063
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,840
oh yeah, in there that shapes
the phrase.

1064
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,200
That's how I've been in my song.
Dogs. Now, instead of doing the

1065
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,600
book, I don't, it's good night
tip

1066
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,700
your waitress, you just wear
like that's been a tick of mine

1067
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:11,880
for since I was in high school.
Don't play sit down at the kit

1068
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,880
and I play 50 ways. It's just
what I do, you know? And now I'm

1069
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,880
actually playing with someone
who does 50 ways in their show.

1070
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,560
Nice. And I gotta tell you, it's
a lot harder

1071
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,420
just to get it to land and feel
good with the inner dynamics

1072
00:55:23,420 --> 00:55:27,680
cars coming out of the courses
back into the thing every single

1073
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,540
time, I always flub for a couple
of beats.

1074
00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:32,780
You know, yeah, and Steve cat is
one of them. He's the most

1075
00:55:32,780 --> 00:55:36,680
recorded drummers in history,
but he's also one of the nicest

1076
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:37,940
guys. Yeah, I've

1077
00:55:37,940 --> 00:55:41,680
never met him, but I've only
seen him once, yeah, but if I

1078
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,860
was gonna see him once, it was
on the Paul Simon rhythm of the

1079
00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:49,540
sage store. So that was, when
did you see that 92 was right

1080
00:55:49,540 --> 00:55:52,420
after they did the Central Park
thing? Okay? They were here at

1081
00:55:52,420 --> 00:55:52,960
Starwood

1082
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,540
because I saw them. I want to
say 99 or maybe 2000

1083
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:58,300
Star Wars was Antioch, right?
Yeah, out there.

1084
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,600
And if that show was still
going, I'd still be sitting

1085
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,240
there going, sure, yeah, it was
unbelievable. Richard T was in

1086
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:06,060
the band. Michael Brecker was in
the man. God, it was, yeah,

1087
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,280
it was a big old like, ensemble.

1088
00:56:08,460 --> 00:56:11,940
Okay, so there's a saxophone
relationship here, big because

1089
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,920
you had to play sax for a little
bit,

1090
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,460
right? That my story was, I
wanted to play the drums, and my

1091
00:56:17,460 --> 00:56:22,160
mother said I had it too loud.
She wasn't wrong. Why don't you

1092
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,260
play the saxophone? I always
like the sack.

1093
00:56:24,259 --> 00:56:28,339
Okay? And then you start on the
sax. Yeah, I started love sex.

1094
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,340
Yeah, I wouldn't mind giving it
a shot. Now,

1095
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,700
it's a great, I mean, it's, it's
linear, so it's very easy to

1096
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:38,240
understand how notes work. I had
a great time, just like,

1097
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,840
learning how to play music,
understanding how to read music,

1098
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,920
how to just get a grasp

1099
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,500
So, and then you get to, you
know, you get to really sell it,

1100
00:56:44,620 --> 00:56:47,680
you know, with, with, like, the
Dave Koz thing, you know, like

1101
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,200
in the Kenny G thing, and the
circular breathing. So I was

1102
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,360
just up in Long Island. And, of
course, you know, in Long

1103
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,580
Island, you got to play one
Billy Joel song. I played with

1104
00:56:54,580 --> 00:56:57,520
this local band, and the
saxophone player, he plays sax

1105
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,500
and Debbie Gibson's band. But I
love it when there's a melodic

1106
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:04,620
solo on an instrument, whether
it be guitar, saxophone, and the

1107
00:57:04,620 --> 00:57:06,780
person takes the time to learn
it, no for note, because, you

1108
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:09,900
know, soccer moms can sing it,
they can hum it. Sure you gotta

1109
00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:13,860
do it. No for no. And he did
that, you may be right solo. No

1110
00:57:13,860 --> 00:57:14,940
for no.

1111
00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:16,260
And

1112
00:57:16,259 --> 00:57:19,739
I was like, oh, yeah, you got me
on the very first drummer jam

1113
00:57:19,739 --> 00:57:23,299
that I did, yes, and it was the
Stuart Copeland one, yeah?

1114
00:57:23,299 --> 00:57:27,799
Douglas corner, I did hungry for
you, yeah. And so I brought in

1115
00:57:27,799 --> 00:57:31,579
two sax players. Yes, it was
Nicholas and Craig Wright, oh,

1116
00:57:31,580 --> 00:57:37,340
my God. And that was played four
notes 10 years ago, okay? And

1117
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:38,480
then, but then there's also

1118
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,980
Greg right, Eric Church's
drummer, yes, he played. Those

1119
00:57:41,980 --> 00:57:42,640
were my two sacks.

1120
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,380
Where was I that night? Oh, my
God, those drummer jams. Man,

1121
00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:50,380
we've had, we've had a Jerry
Gaskill one. We had a Stuart

1122
00:57:50,380 --> 00:57:53,200
Copeland one. We had a Neil
Pierre one. We had an Alex Van

1123
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,500
Halen one, the Phil Collins one.
We did, do we have a Do we have

1124
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:58,840
a bottom one daughter?

1125
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,140
Bottom? Yeah, the bottom one.
You had a Jeff won, but those

1126
00:58:01,140 --> 00:58:02,940
were before they really took
off.

1127
00:58:02,940 --> 00:58:06,780
Dude, that's seven right there.
But there's a picture on your

1128
00:58:06,780 --> 00:58:09,540
Instagram, way, way, way down of
you sitting on the Alex Van

1129
00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:13,680
Halen, kids, wait, what did you
play?

1130
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:19,080
I played incredible rock because
Junior's Great.

1131
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:26,300
Oh, perfect. It the flam on
snare on the snare on beat four,

1132
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:26,900
you can't beat

1133
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,160
Oh no, I had it was so much fun.
And you got to come to some of

1134
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:32,000
those. So, yeah, I

1135
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,740
got to see the Phil Collins one.
I did the Stuart Copeland one

1136
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:36,920
with

1137
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,320
you. And you know, he did a loud
jams when you were still 15,

1138
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,340
yeah, like one or two. Actually,
he

1139
00:58:45,460 --> 00:58:47,500
did Jojo, oh, my god,

1140
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:50,500
that was hard.

1141
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,460
He just was so great. And he's
up there playing, you know, he

1142
00:58:54,460 --> 00:58:57,400
wants, I'm nervous for him, you
know, he walks on stage just a

1143
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,680
couple things, looks around,
123,

1144
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,280
he's nice. Away. And people are
coming up to me, go, he's got

1145
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:05,760
your time

1146
00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:08,640
35 years.

1147
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,400
Yeah, no, it's, I'm always
developing. It's the first thing

1148
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,460
I check, like, you know, like
when I sat in with this band in

1149
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:16,980
Long Island, the first thing I
did was gather all the footage

1150
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:21,140
from all my friends immediately,
just made sure that I was, is,

1151
00:59:21,140 --> 00:59:25,160
is it as good as I remembered it
feeling, you know what I mean?

1152
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,280
And I'm hard on myself, but
that's the number one thing.

1153
00:59:28,340 --> 00:59:30,860
Yeah, I used to have the mini
disc player, and I would record

1154
00:59:30,860 --> 00:59:33,740
my monitor mix, because I had,
like, a little mix mixture, you

1155
00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:36,860
know, I had my two mix and then
I was, you know, I had, I ran a

1156
00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:39,680
few loops, not a lot of stuff.
Yeah, I wanted to have complete

1157
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,820
control over it sure, because
when you don't, you end up it's

1158
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,460
tighten up your butt cheeks. You
can't hear that. Ashley Simpson

1159
00:59:45,460 --> 00:59:50,440
on SNL, yeah. So I was recording
my monitor mix every night, and

1160
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,840
then listening to it after the
gig, and going, Well, why the

1161
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,620
hell did I play that film that
just broke everything that was

1162
00:59:56,620 --> 01:00:00,600
and so I really just got that
gig down to this essence of. Of

1163
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,500
and at one point I did an entire
tour with one a kick drum, a

1164
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:07,440
snare drum, a hat and one
cymbal. Yeah, that was the rig

1165
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,460
for the whole that's awesome.
And then God, Hendrix is on

1166
01:00:11,460 --> 01:00:14,340
fire, man. I've been covering
that lick up all this time, you

1167
01:00:14,340 --> 01:00:17,220
know. So it really was a great
eye opener. Wow.

1168
01:00:17,340 --> 01:00:20,480
What was it like when you guys
did the Van Halen one? What was

1169
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:21,860
it like to sit behind that kit?

1170
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,900
That's awesome. It felt great.

1171
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,720
It was set up great, yeah,
because we weren't allowed to

1172
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:27,500
adjust anything

1173
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:30,440
you gotta Yeah? So, I mean,
this, the seat heights got to

1174
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:31,460
remain the same. I think

1175
01:00:31,460 --> 01:00:33,980
that was the only thing we were
allowed to adjust, was the seat,

1176
01:00:33,980 --> 01:00:35,000
seat, yeah?

1177
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,440
So, because he was a, he was a
high snare drum guy, yeah, you

1178
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:39,800
know, it's

1179
01:00:39,860 --> 01:00:42,340
worked for me. I had to crank
that damn thing because I'm a

1180
01:00:42,340 --> 01:00:45,820
low rider like Tommy Aldrich,
which is probably not great for

1181
01:00:45,820 --> 01:00:45,940
my

1182
01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:49,000
back. So, I mean, but basically
you were hitting it. What naval

1183
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,620
level right around there,

1184
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,000
he found a video of me playing
all weight recently. It was

1185
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,520
interesting. I wish I had
learned the, you know, you don't

1186
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,200
get, get to get on the kit. So
sometimes the drum to drum

1187
01:01:01,620 --> 01:01:07,440
specifics, right? As a macro
rhythm, I knew that all I have

1188
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,920
to do is kind of like phrase
this around the existing drums,

1189
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,360
because it could actually get

1190
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,400
on the kit, two up and two down,
yeah,

1191
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:19,200
and you're a one up, two down,
yeah, right. But you did. You

1192
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:24,860
played fly by night, and that
was the, I'd never heard of the

1193
01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:27,620
drummer jam. That was the first
one I ever went to, yeah, and,

1194
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:32,060
but then I was watching
everybody, and everybody was

1195
01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:35,960
coming off going, God, that drum
sets, terrible. Oh, really.

1196
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,400
Well, it was just, you know,
massive, massive kit.

1197
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:43,360
It wasn't, I mean, he didn't
really set him up. Neil didn't

1198
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,060
really set him up very
ergonomically, back, no,

1199
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,820
but it was funny, because and
then Murphy went

1200
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:51,580
up and

1201
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,500
did limelight, and I thought he
just crushed that. And then that

1202
01:01:56,500 --> 01:02:00,100
was the first time I ever heard
Billy play. He closed the show

1203
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:03,480
with LaVilla strong Jada. And I
was like, Who is this kid? Yeah,

1204
01:02:03,660 --> 01:02:08,400
Billy, Billy Freeman. Oh, god,
yeah, Billy's great. And I was

1205
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,960
like, Oh, the future of drumming
in

1206
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,480
Nashville. He's a, he's he's a,
he's a Vinny type guy. It's so

1207
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,020
funny. We had him on the show is
his wife bought him a birthday

1208
01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:18,660
greeting from Vinny caluda.
That's awesome.

1209
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:22,880
Well, this is gonna sound like
I'm making this up, but I swear

1210
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,060
I'm not. I'm in West Virginia.
I'm in college. I'm trying to

1211
01:02:26,060 --> 01:02:28,700
figure out the second verse of
keep it greasy off of Joe's

1212
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:32,000
Garage. And I can't find the
count, yeah. And I go, I

1213
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,580
remember hearing that Frank
Zappa lived in Sherman Oaks,

1214
01:02:34,580 --> 01:02:39,560
California. So I'm gonna call
411, ask for Sherman Oaks and

1215
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:44,020
look for a number for Vincent or
Vinnie coluda spelled it. They

1216
01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:47,860
gave me a number. I called it.
Vinnie answered, come on, this

1217
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,700
is amazing. And we talked for 45
minutes, and he was the nicest

1218
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:52,480
person in the world.

1219
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,720
And you're like, Hey, man, I'm I
mean, you explained yourself,

1220
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,640
yeah, hey, I'm calling from West
Virginia.

1221
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,080
I grew up 10 minutes down the
road from where he grew up, so

1222
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,380
we knew a lot of the same
people. I played in a band I put

1223
01:03:04,380 --> 01:03:07,380
myself through college playing
with a singer that Vinnie had

1224
01:03:07,380 --> 01:03:10,740
played with in the past. Yes.
And then we also have a mutual

1225
01:03:10,740 --> 01:03:14,940
friend, Randy Sander Beck, who
was Kevin Murphy's teacher at

1226
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,640
ETSU, who was my teacher at WVU,

1227
01:03:17,820 --> 01:03:24,680
wow. But you know, if you look
at the Zappa songbook, I feel

1228
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:30,020
like Joe's Garage still. It's,
it's so holds up. Yeah, it's

1229
01:03:30,020 --> 01:03:32,120
incredible. That's my favorite.
It's the whole thing Joe's

1230
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,960
Garage. Lucille has messed up.
My mind is my favorite if you

1231
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,300
want to hear how to play reggae
fusion, oh, and then the most

1232
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:41,380
incredible way.

1233
01:03:41,380 --> 01:03:45,640
And those buzz rolls in, that
fat snare drum, and those hats,

1234
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:46,720
he's like, 22 right?

1235
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,560
And it was just recorded in
like, you know, Zappos basement.

1236
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,860
It's, I mean, it's, to me, it's
like, just ridiculous drum sound

1237
01:03:53,860 --> 01:03:57,100
thing, yeah, so on those Gretch
drums, those yellow ones, yeah,

1238
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:57,760
unbelievable.

1239
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,080
Just they sound so good. And,
and, and it was weird, because

1240
01:04:01,260 --> 01:04:05,700
the first thing I've heard Vinny
on was Gino Vannelli Walker,

1241
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:07,980
night Walker. Yeah, dude,
because my friend Jim

1242
01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:10,500
florekovich, he's at one of
those Pittsburgh guys union

1243
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:13,920
town. Oh, you never heard of any
call you to, yeah. Oh, man,

1244
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,740
Vinnie. And he plays me
Nightwalker. And I'm like, What

1245
01:04:16,740 --> 01:04:19,380
the hell is this, you know? And
then he goes, Oh, you got to

1246
01:04:19,380 --> 01:04:22,100
check out Joe's Garage. So
that's how I kind of and I'd

1247
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:25,460
already had zoo to lower, so I
was already bozzy owed, but I

1248
01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:28,640
hadn't really heard Vinnie
before, so and then it was just

1249
01:04:29,060 --> 01:04:32,480
everything Vinnie, yeah, but
Gino was the gig to get because

1250
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:37,460
he went from Graham Lear to
Casey Sherrell, yep, to mark

1251
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:38,300
crani to

1252
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,220
Vinny Cal You did to David
garabali, yep.

1253
01:04:42,220 --> 01:04:45,700
And he's got some young, Oh,
that 22 year old lion now

1254
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:48,940
fire, yeah, because Gino is a
drummer, and he knows drumming,

1255
01:04:48,940 --> 01:04:54,160
yeah, you know so and, you know,
it's funny, because, like, when

1256
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,040
I was 25 I lived in the same
town as my parents, and I talked

1257
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,620
to them once every other month
for 10 minutes, and he and I

1258
01:04:59,620 --> 01:05:02,460
talked. Got a phone four times a
week, and it's an hour and a

1259
01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:03,000
half

1260
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,560
Wow, because we're talking

1261
01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:07,560
about Mark crane, commonality.
We're talking

1262
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,600
about Barrymore Barlow, you
know, Jim,

1263
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,140
do you have the YouTube pipe
through the system? Uh, what do

1264
01:05:13,140 --> 01:05:17,040
you need? I just would it's just
a kill to hear just eight bars

1265
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,980
of Lucille has messed up my
mind, please. Lucille has

1266
01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:22,820
messed up my mind. It

1267
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,660
sounds like roto times it

1268
01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:32,240
is perfect.

1269
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,860
Yeah, I just, I just turned my
next roommate of mine onto that

1270
01:05:36,860 --> 01:05:39,380
record not too long ago, and you
just the look on his face. I was

1271
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:41,500
like, I'm gonna start showing
this album to people. I think

1272
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:42,880
it's good.

1273
01:05:42,940 --> 01:05:46,060
Well, it's funny because we were
outside in the waiting to come

1274
01:05:46,060 --> 01:05:48,820
in, you know, yeah, he got here
a little early, and I'm showing

1275
01:05:48,820 --> 01:05:52,360
him average white band videos,
and he's showing me slipknot.

1276
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,760
That definitely just happened,

1277
01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:58,480
that new drummer, and Slipknot,
I mean, it's like all the

1278
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,600
drummers have been amazing. But,
you know, we were talking to

1279
01:06:01,140 --> 01:06:02,940
Jay. That is Eloy coscro. I
mean, yeah,

1280
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,520
oh no, tight.

1281
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:10,320
I've just never seen somebody
hit so hard and great sound like

1282
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:14,460
great sound is great, great
tone, great time and totally

1283
01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:14,940
accurate.

1284
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,840
Yeah, yeah, he's undeniable.
It's I

1285
01:06:24,260 --> 01:06:25,160
did I miss the beginning?

1286
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:28,220
Oh, we'll hear it again if you
want.

1287
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,400
There we go the way it
straightens out at the very end.

1288
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:34,460
I

1289
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,400
love all the symbols with no
bass drum.

1290
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:43,540
Yeah.

1291
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,440
Ike Willis. Is he still alive?

1292
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,400
I'll be singing this in the
stairwell at school tomorrow. Is

1293
01:07:04,260 --> 01:07:05,040
that where you go?

1294
01:07:07,140 --> 01:07:10,920
My kids, Nobody's allowed to
talk, but not because they can't

1295
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,440
talk in the store, because they
can't mess up my singing. Yeah,

1296
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,140
as soon as we hit it, I'm like,
I guess you wonder where

1297
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:18,720
Nice?

1298
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:19,980
So, yeah, I sing

1299
01:07:19,980 --> 01:07:21,920
in the stairwell at school,
because the acoustics are

1300
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,500
unbelievable. Oh yeah. Like,
those 50s do up groups, yeah.

1301
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:27,260
And then the kids are all just
like, Oh, shut up. And I'm like,

1302
01:07:27,260 --> 01:07:28,700
I have a SAG after card.

1303
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:30,920
What do you have, kids?

1304
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,840
Yeah, the sad, the sag
residuals, any, anytime you sing

1305
01:07:35,900 --> 01:07:38,840
on a late night television show,
the pay, the pay is much better.

1306
01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:41,860
Oh yeah. So I always like, just
give me a microphone. But so the

1307
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,540
two guys that sing, Jack and
Tully, their checks are fatter

1308
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,860
anytime we do a late night show,
if you'd be so surprised, like,

1309
01:07:50,860 --> 01:07:54,160
ladies and gentlemen, I'm gonna
pull back the curtain. You know

1310
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:59,920
what it pays to play the Tonight
Show, $500 but do you think it's

1311
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,340
like you it's like a thing like,
Oh, my God, I'm gonna play that.

1312
01:08:02,340 --> 01:08:05,040
And it's incredible
accomplishment. Like, 500

1313
01:08:05,460 --> 01:08:06,600
bucks. Oh, that's 750

1314
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,240
Yeah. See, you make little bit

1315
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,880
more for a little bit learn

1316
01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:17,160
how to rep. I don't know how
those guys remember all that

1317
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,760
stuff. Somebody who's got the
the dense flow, like, what's his

1318
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:21,000
name,

1319
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:24,980
the the white rapper, kid,
Eminem, yeah.

1320
01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:27,619
Oh no. It's I, it's so far
beyond me.

1321
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,560
And the rhythm, the rhythm
structure to fit it all in. It's

1322
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:30,800
like

1323
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,560
Buster rhymes. That's, it just
boggles my brain.

1324
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,740
Maybe just do like gang vocals,
like doubling the vocals.

1325
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,740
I'm so busy back there I can't
be singing. I'm sweating and

1326
01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:41,500
grunting, twirling.

1327
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,660
Lincoln TV is such a weird
thing. I did the view, yeah, you

1328
01:08:46,660 --> 01:08:50,920
know, because everyone was the
wedding guy, you know. And we

1329
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,680
got there and, and I didn't end
up singing any background. All I

1330
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,680
did was play shaker, and could
not ask for more. And they

1331
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,960
didn't even have that mic. And I
got my 500 bucks, or whatever it

1332
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,200
was, yeah, and, and it was
funny, because it snowed really

1333
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,040
bad, and we couldn't fly out. So
I was stuck at the Omni Hotel,

1334
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,240
and I just, I went through that
mini bar and the mini fridge and

1335
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,600
ordered room service and just
took the took the robe and

1336
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:16,260
skipped out

1337
01:09:18,660 --> 01:09:21,800
Regis tab, I'm so happy that you
and I broke our pattern of you

1338
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:26,420
being my Uber because you were
my Uber driver for like, two

1339
01:09:26,420 --> 01:09:30,020
events. Oh, did I you were like,
you're like, I'll drive you

1340
01:09:30,020 --> 01:09:31,400
home, kid. Oh yeah,

1341
01:09:33,380 --> 01:09:36,080
we're at the red door, and I'm
like, rich, let me, let me run

1342
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:36,380
you home.

1343
01:09:36,380 --> 01:09:40,720
Thanks. I have been drinking.
I've just been doing meth all

1344
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:41,020
night.

1345
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:45,099
The red door, thank God, yes. So
my new

1346
01:09:45,099 --> 01:09:48,219
red door is right up the street.
Is the mission cigar bar right

1347
01:09:48,219 --> 01:09:53,679
there as my so good. But near Z,
you know what? You know near,

1348
01:09:53,739 --> 01:09:57,999
yeah, he, he went to the mission
cigar lounge in downtown

1349
01:09:57,999 --> 01:10:01,619
Franklin on the square. He
really nice. It's really nice,

1350
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,960
really, yeah, that's cool.

1351
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,080
We might be doing some podcasts
there. Great vibe, man.

1352
01:10:07,140 --> 01:10:12,060
Yeah, I used to go to a cigar
bar down on Jim Umbrian with

1353
01:10:12,180 --> 01:10:14,760
Buda. Oh, it was like a whiskey
cigar place,

1354
01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:18,960
yeah, was it next to 10 roof or
whatever? Yeah, it

1355
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:24,680
was right next to tin roof. What
was that? It was seven years.

1356
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,020
Seven years. What's your go to
stogie?

1357
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:28,280
I doubt

1358
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:32,720
I'm the last guy in America I
still smoke.

1359
01:10:33,740 --> 01:10:36,560
Oh, good cigarettes. Yeah,

1360
01:10:36,740 --> 01:10:38,060
camels, Marlboro lights.

1361
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,500
I'm on Marlboro light special
select now, but it was, it was

1362
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:43,060
camel lights for a long time.

1363
01:10:43,059 --> 01:10:45,759
Do you lie to your doctor? Do
you lie to him? Or you? Did you

1364
01:10:45,759 --> 01:10:46,539
say, like, yeah, I smoke.

1365
01:10:46,780 --> 01:10:48,880
Yeah, that's what am I gonna do
lives? What

1366
01:10:48,940 --> 01:10:51,820
are they up to? A pack now,
$357.28

1367
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,500
and I don't, you know, I do
that, and then sometimes I vape,

1368
01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:03,300
and I do a little both. And, you
know, somebody asked me just the

1369
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:06,360
other day, said, I don't know
how anybody can smoke anymore. I

1370
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:10,440
was like, I don't know how
anybody can't Yeah, awesome. Me

1371
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:13,260
and Chris Nix are always, you
know, I quit for two and a half

1372
01:11:13,260 --> 01:11:16,320
years. Yeah, I didn't touch a
cigarette. And was it? Was it

1373
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,620
miserable? No, not really. I
gotten past the misery part. You

1374
01:11:19,620 --> 01:11:22,340
know, the first couple of
months, I can't imagine.

1375
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,740
Were you the worst kind of
quitter? Were you like, you

1376
01:11:24,740 --> 01:11:28,100
caught a secondhand smoke whiff,
and you're like, Oh no, no, no,

1377
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:31,400
I didn't, because I mean to me,
No, I never did that stuff. I'll

1378
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,140
smell it. And I'm like, Oh

1379
01:11:33,620 --> 01:11:38,060
yeah, it was weird. I didn't
touch one for the longest time.

1380
01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:41,200
And then when we did the Phil
Collins thing, I was doing

1381
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,560
auxiliary percussion and a lot
of hand Sonic stuff. Yeah, so I

1382
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,220
was at the rehearsal all day
long, and at the end, nicks and

1383
01:11:48,220 --> 01:11:51,040
I are out in the driveway, and
he's got a camel light. And I

1384
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,700
was like, I let my guard down,
just for a second, and took one

1385
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:57,520
one cigarette. And two and a
half years was out the window

1386
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,560
like that. So I know if I ever
really do successfully put them

1387
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,500
down. I could never go back.
Yeah, I learned that much.

1388
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,060
They still make camel wides.

1389
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,080
Probably not this one awful. The
hash on that thing would just

1390
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,420
because, you know, I was on
stage with Edwin, and I just

1391
01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:16,020
always had a funny Carlos. He'd
be holding a note, and I'd be

1392
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:21,140
like, you know, it was Steve
Gadd in one trick pony with his

1393
01:12:21,140 --> 01:12:23,480
cigarette smokes just going into
your eye, and you couldn't be

1394
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:25,880
happier, and you're just
playing, and you're covering

1395
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,720
yourself with ash, and because
he's ridiculous, it's so stupid.

1396
01:12:29,780 --> 01:12:33,560
Can I try smoking rich? No,
never. Just so smart. Yeah. I

1397
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,960
mean, like, really, like, if
there's one thing I would change

1398
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,400
if I went back in time, I would
never

1399
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,240
start. I really feel bad about
the cigars, because I just know

1400
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:43,480
that still, the smoke is getting
into your

1401
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,920
Now, ultimately, you know, you
know when to say when, yeah,

1402
01:12:48,700 --> 01:12:49,900
yeah, right now when

1403
01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:54,100
it's so funny. For years, I've
always been the, you know, the

1404
01:12:54,100 --> 01:12:57,520
Catskills manager, like my
impersonation of anybody in the

1405
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:02,400
music industry. And now I that
guy. I'm a, I'm an old goat in

1406
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,880
Nashville, like, survivor of
decades in the industry, smoking

1407
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:05,940
a

1408
01:13:05,940 --> 01:13:10,320
cigar, yeah? Crazy guy, yeah.
Oh, that guy's been here

1409
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:10,920
forever, yeah?

1410
01:13:10,919 --> 01:13:13,019
But at least, you know, it's so
funny that even though you're

1411
01:13:13,019 --> 01:13:18,059
not touring, you get to lay your
hat in in the Music City, one of

1412
01:13:18,059 --> 01:13:20,779
the last places for the music
business. But we're all in the

1413
01:13:20,779 --> 01:13:24,199
same place at the same time
recording, and there's a great

1414
01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:27,319
well of talent, like you just
named like, five bands that you

1415
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:30,679
play with at the third and
Lindsay of the world. And, you

1416
01:13:30,679 --> 01:13:33,619
know, tell you the truth, I have
been looking for some fun thing

1417
01:13:33,619 --> 01:13:36,259
that I could do where we do,
like a like a guilty pleasures

1418
01:13:36,259 --> 01:13:39,979
type or long players type thing,
where we could play four times a

1419
01:13:39,979 --> 01:13:42,639
year or something, and it's a
big event, and Nashville comes

1420
01:13:42,639 --> 01:13:43,959
out, it's just hard to find.

1421
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,360
Just wait for my average white
band, covered band, and that's

1422
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,980
it. That's it for me. I'm just
doing that

1423
01:13:47,980 --> 01:13:50,740
well, you and I were supposed to
do some, some big event, and you

1424
01:13:50,740 --> 01:13:53,680
and I were going to switch off
on percussion. And then Jason

1425
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,080
booked something last minute,
and then I couldn't do it at

1426
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,360
all, and you did all of the
auxiliary percussion. I can't

1427
01:13:58,360 --> 01:13:59,980
remember what it was like a year
or two

1428
01:13:59,980 --> 01:14:04,560
ago, yeah. But yeah, it's funny,
because it's, I feel connected

1429
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,100
to all of it, and I'm I just
played on a record with my boy,

1430
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:10,920
Eric Hamilton, and then I've
been playing Eric Hamilton since

1431
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,980
night, and then you mixed it,
and he's mixing the album, which

1432
01:14:13,980 --> 01:14:17,280
is kind of like having your son
do your colonoscopy,

1433
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,520
because he's pulling up all the
files he

1434
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,080
can see where the like. Can see
where the mistakes are. Then

1435
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,220
I'm going to move that.

1436
01:14:26,780 --> 01:14:30,320
He gets the call from me. Hey,
man, second snare drum hit in

1437
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,660
the second course, man, you're
going to have to tuck that thing

1438
01:14:32,660 --> 01:14:36,920
to the right just a little bit.
He does it for me. I do, but I

1439
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,540
came from an era where you
didn't get to do that. You had

1440
01:14:40,540 --> 01:14:44,380
to learn when to cough so that
you knew like you're listening

1441
01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:47,020
to a song you played on with
your buddies. And you know that

1442
01:14:47,020 --> 01:14:53,140
snare drums coming late so you
because it was on two inch tape

1443
01:14:53,140 --> 01:14:56,080
and there wasn't any moving,
yeah. But now we get to fix

1444
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,260
everything. So I get to sound
like, you know, which is good,

1445
01:14:59,260 --> 01:15:01,860
and. Bad, others good and bad.

1446
01:15:01,860 --> 01:15:07,200
Yeah, you got the, what is power
of love? Yeah, when it comes in,

1447
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:09,720
it's, there's a flam between the
kick and the snare.

1448
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:12,480
Oh, yeah. That was a thing back
in the day when we recorded to,

1449
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,080
I feel like, you know, chime in.
But when we recorded to tape,

1450
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,260
and there was a four on the
floor, feel if you flamed a

1451
01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:22,640
little bit between the kick and
snare was fat, and it was you

1452
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,400
looked the other way, and it was
very acceptable. But now

1453
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,140
everything is just so well.

1454
01:15:27,140 --> 01:15:29,840
This is what happened when
engineers became producers,

1455
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,320
instead of coming from the
music. You had these engineers,

1456
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,480
and they're like, up on the
grid. You know, I don't want to

1457
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:38,120
say who, because I don't want to
bad mouth anybody. But there was

1458
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:42,400
a record that sold 10 million
copies, maybe 12 million copies.

1459
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,400
And I talked to the guy who
mixed it, and the producer

1460
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:50,200
turned it in, and every hit from
every drum was so on the grid.

1461
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,620
Yeah, it didn't sound human at
all, yeah. So this guy had to go

1462
01:15:53,620 --> 01:15:59,080
and, like, introduce humanity
into moving things off of the

1463
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,760
grid, yeah, you know. And he
goes, and he said, that just

1464
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:08,820
sucked, like he it took him a
month to fix the fixed tracks.

1465
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,320
Wow, to unfix them.

1466
01:16:11,340 --> 01:16:13,260
Yeah, so 10 million copies here,

1467
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,140
that's, I wonder if that's going
to make a comeback, especially

1468
01:16:19,140 --> 01:16:22,940
now that AI is so the rage, and
it's good, taking over the music

1469
01:16:22,940 --> 01:16:26,420
industry and creative and all
this other stuff. You got to

1470
01:16:26,420 --> 01:16:30,500
wonder if that's going to make
like, the way they used to

1471
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:33,800
record a thing again, you know,
a band on the

1472
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,640
floor kind of already is, if you
look at like, what Lewis Cole's

1473
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,260
doing, that's, that's the only
thing I'm interested in. Did you

1474
01:16:41,260 --> 01:16:44,380
record it in your house, in the
stairwell? It doesn't have to be

1475
01:16:44,380 --> 01:16:47,200
perfect. It's just beautiful.
Yeah. And he turns me on to

1476
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,960
stuff all the time, and I turn
him onto stuff. We're going to

1477
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,720
see Noga Erez this week. I don't
know if you've ever checked that

1478
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,260
no band out of Israel. And the
new thing, and it's just in time

1479
01:16:56,260 --> 01:17:00,040
for an old, fat guy like me is
playing really light, and it's

1480
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:04,440
cranking the freezing but just
playing light because there's no

1481
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:07,620
nobody's on headphones. Yeah,
there's no monitors. You're just

1482
01:17:07,620 --> 01:17:10,320
playing and they're making
you're shooting your video and,

1483
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,260
man, some really good music is
coming out of that stuff. Nice.

1484
01:17:13,260 --> 01:17:16,500
I don't know if you've seen the
the nowhere stuff, if you've not

1485
01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:20,960
checked it out, dude, that's
21st century music at nowhere,

1486
01:17:21,140 --> 01:17:25,940
nowhere, K, N, O, W, I, E, R,
nowhere. It's Lewis Cole and

1487
01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:30,440
Genevieve arcoty, wow. And dude,
do yourself a favor.

1488
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:32,840
Yeah, it's as good as it gets.
Well, I like that when you're

1489
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,360
you know. I mean, you see that a
lot in roots music and

1490
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,760
Americano, where it's like a
much lighter touch.

1491
01:17:37,940 --> 01:17:42,040
Yeah, much the drums sound huge.
I mean there, I mean watching

1492
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,880
some of that Beatles documentary
on ringum. I mean, like, there's

1493
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,640
times where he is hitting, but
there's also times where, I

1494
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,740
mean, we talk about, talk about
this all the time, where the,

1495
01:17:50,740 --> 01:17:54,100
like, the idea of the drums were
huge in our heads, but really it

1496
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:58,660
was a single microphone standing
on top of but, you know, the

1497
01:17:58,660 --> 01:18:00,960
performance is what's huge,
yeah, you know

1498
01:18:01,260 --> 01:18:02,880
the humanity, right? Every

1499
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,080
picture tells a story. Mickey

1500
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:08,520
Waller, yeah, my favorite. And
you listen to trash hat rock,

1501
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,000
it's like a, it's probably a
Ludwig club date kit with a

1502
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,520
couple of mics on it, and
they're all in the right ear.

1503
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:15,960
All the drums are in the right
that's

1504
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,020
one of my favorite records, man,
that records and they just came

1505
01:18:19,020 --> 01:18:20,040
back from the pub.

1506
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,540
Yeah? You know, Oh, we did we
because we did Maggie Mae on a

1507
01:18:23,540 --> 01:18:26,000
record, like we decided to, one
day at sound check, we just

1508
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,340
started jamming, and we decided
to learn Maggie Mae, and we

1509
01:18:28,340 --> 01:18:30,560
learned it, and then we did on
the record, and we said we had

1510
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,320
to get in and actually analyze
it. And there's so many wrong

1511
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,200
notes, just you can tell they
cut it once, and they were like,

1512
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:41,260
it's fine, move on. And it's
been part of the fabric, guys,

1513
01:18:41,260 --> 01:18:43,120
yeah, for 50 years.

1514
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,840
Incredible, incredible. Hey,
with you living here since 1990

1515
01:18:47,260 --> 01:18:50,260
Yeah. Do you guys have a father
and son restaurant? You guys go,

1516
01:18:50,260 --> 01:18:52,360
do you love for your favorite
kind of food?

1517
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,120
Kind of, not really one between
the two of us, because he's a

1518
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,040
ramen guy. So what's your ramen
joint?

1519
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:59,620
And black dynasty has some of
the best food in Nashville,

1520
01:18:59,620 --> 01:19:03,000
hands down. Where's that that's
over. It's over. It's like, kind

1521
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,720
of by Sylvan Park, black
dynasty, white dynasty. It's in,

1522
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:10,980
it's in a brewery called Bearded
Iris. Oh, wow. Those guys,

1523
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,160
they're just, they're insane.
They travel to Japan a bunch to

1524
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:14,520
go.

1525
01:19:14,580 --> 01:19:15,780
Jim's got a beer

1526
01:19:15,780 --> 01:19:19,140
podcast. Bearded Iris got some
good stuff. Oh yeah.

1527
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,120
It's actually when I got into
beer, because I was going over

1528
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,280
there eating ramen all the time,
and they were telling me to

1529
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,460
start pairing beers with the
bowls I was getting, and you

1530
01:19:28,460 --> 01:19:31,940
need to listen to the ales and
tails podcast on your coaster

1531
01:19:31,940 --> 01:19:32,180
there.

1532
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:36,620
Yeah, but that's nasty. Ready?
Can we keep the coasters

1533
01:19:36,740 --> 01:19:37,820
Absolutely, yeah.

1534
01:19:37,820 --> 01:19:40,840
Man, got coffee cups for you
too. Yeah. You guys are taking

1535
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,160
home the iconic

1536
01:19:44,140 --> 01:19:47,020
deal, it's not dishwasher safe.
Okay, remember there.

1537
01:19:48,340 --> 01:19:50,560
We found out the hard way. It
came out it looked like

1538
01:19:52,180 --> 01:19:53,920
a the Hulk, you know, like old
gamma.

1539
01:19:53,980 --> 01:19:56,680
No, we need to do. We need to
get a t shirt with the mug on

1540
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,920
it, and that says underneath,
not, not dishwasher safe. Yeah.

1541
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,180
Yeah, thing that'll be my school
mug, because I have to hand wash

1542
01:20:03,180 --> 01:20:06,900
my dishes at school. Yeah, yeah.
How's your teacher lounge? Is it

1543
01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:11,100
fun? Gossip and stuff happening
in there? I don't go in it ever.

1544
01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:14,100
Do you brown bag it a lot of
times? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if

1545
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:16,680
not, I run over to the twice
daily and get a cheeseburger.

1546
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,920
And, you know, I'm still like,
what school is it that you teach

1547
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,760
it? Yeah, I teach at Gower
Elementary, which is right next

1548
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,460
to McCarthy's bookstore over
there on the west side.

1549
01:20:26,180 --> 01:20:29,960
Used to so I substitute Todd at
all the because you know that

1550
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,800
back in the day, in 1980 would
be like, you have a job request

1551
01:20:33,860 --> 01:20:36,080
at Gower Elementary.

1552
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:40,780
I remember I would get like, 57
calls a day. I was like, if I

1553
01:20:40,780 --> 01:20:43,060
could book sessions like this,
I'd be incredible.

1554
01:20:43,599 --> 01:20:46,239
And then we had, I had the Map
Quest it to figure out how to

1555
01:20:46,359 --> 01:20:48,039
how to get there. That was like,
and

1556
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,040
then print it out. We have
survived some technology. Man,

1557
01:20:51,100 --> 01:20:53,680
are you finding those calls to
increase over time? Because, I

1558
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,360
mean, the teaching professions
kind of,

1559
01:20:55,420 --> 01:20:58,180
well, there's no subs anymore.
They've ruined the whole thing.

1560
01:20:58,180 --> 01:21:00,660
What do you mean? What do you
mean? Well, we can't get subs

1561
01:21:00,660 --> 01:21:03,300
where everybody's just on their
own. Now there's no that whole

1562
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:04,200
thing is just,

1563
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,040
they can't find anybody to sell
it. Just made it, I

1564
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,440
don't know. They keep tinkering
with it, and less and less

1565
01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:13,380
people want to do it. And I'm so
stupid because I worked in

1566
01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:16,680
Swimming Pool Heater factories
and painted gas stations, and I

1567
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,200
could have been subbing the
whole time. Yeah, indoors.

1568
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,800
Well, I mean, it's pretty I
mean, you got to get your

1569
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:26,000
tuberculosis shot and you got to
get a background check the

1570
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,180
eye fingerprint check. Yeah,
that went okay, yeah.

1571
01:21:30,140 --> 01:21:30,920
But

1572
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,760
so when you say you're on your
own, what if you can't make it?

1573
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,460
What happens? We just the
principal figures out we have

1574
01:21:37,460 --> 01:21:39,860
classroom associates, which are
like subs that come to school

1575
01:21:39,860 --> 01:21:42,080
every day and they put them to
work, and then we have a few

1576
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:46,240
people that are still kind of in
the system, but it's, it's, it's

1577
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:49,000
not what it was when you were in
it, wow. And when you were in

1578
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,120
it, you would get 30 calls a
day. Oh, it's insane. And what

1579
01:21:52,180 --> 01:21:55,180
the worst part was, I figured
out that if, if they, if you

1580
01:21:55,180 --> 01:21:59,260
show up before 11 o'clock, you
get the full day's pay. So

1581
01:21:59,260 --> 01:22:01,620
they're calling you at 630 in
the morning and you're just

1582
01:22:01,620 --> 01:22:05,400
going, Nope, yeah, nope, nope.
And everybody get that 10

1583
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,140
o'clock go all right on the land

1584
01:22:10,260 --> 01:22:14,580
loop. Oh, the perfect job for
somebody who wants to be a

1585
01:22:14,580 --> 01:22:18,240
musician, because if you get a
gig or a recording session or

1586
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,380
something, you just don't go,
the computer doesn't go we

1587
01:22:21,380 --> 01:22:24,260
really need, you know, just on
to the next call.

1588
01:22:24,260 --> 01:22:25,940
Totally. Hey Jim, ask your
question

1589
01:22:25,940 --> 01:22:29,660
buddy. You know I'm actually
looking up.

1590
01:22:30,380 --> 01:22:32,960
I do have to clarify what they
sure have done, but we'll get to

1591
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:33,140
that.

1592
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,440
Okay, so you're waiting on me.
Okay,

1593
01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:38,900
you find your special questions,
and I'll take your normal

1594
01:22:38,900 --> 01:22:42,940
questions. So if you guys had to
play you guys, each can end you

1595
01:22:42,940 --> 01:22:45,640
might have the same, same band,
but if you had to be in a

1596
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,340
tribute band, then only play
that music for the rest of your

1597
01:22:48,340 --> 01:22:51,580
life. What? What band? I'll let
him

1598
01:22:51,580 --> 01:22:53,860
answer for me, average white
band. Yeah,

1599
01:22:55,480 --> 01:22:58,000
it's all I care about. Uh,
that's hard. Do

1600
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,760
you know Steve? Are you friends
with Ferroni? No, okay,

1601
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,220
I wouldn't dare Yeah,

1602
01:23:03,780 --> 01:23:07,260
and 77 I cut school to go down
and wait in line to get tickets.

1603
01:23:07,260 --> 01:23:09,840
And I got there at seven o'clock
in the morning, and they opened

1604
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,480
the ticket window at 10, and I
was the only guy standing, yeah,

1605
01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:16,140
first ticket, amazing. And I saw
them on that tour, all right.

1606
01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:20,280
And I did get to ask him a
question when he did a clinic at

1607
01:23:20,460 --> 01:23:24,800
four long ago. I got to ask him.
So you really, I'm so deep on

1608
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:25,700
him, yeah,

1609
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:26,240
yeah,

1610
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:29,419
okay, so, but who would what
band would you

1611
01:23:29,780 --> 01:23:33,440
probably rush? Yeah? I mean,
they're my favorite, yeah,

1612
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:35,120
now what that'll keep it
interesting

1613
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,360
for the rest of your life. I
mean, I'm in a bit of a power

1614
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:42,220
windows phase right now, nice,
but I think permanent waves to

1615
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,060
grace under pressure, that's,
that's permanent waves, moving

1616
01:23:46,060 --> 01:23:50,080
pictures, signals, grace under
pressure is the keyboard. Ears.

1617
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,800
It's just unbelievable. I like
signals, the music's crazy.

1618
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,680
Talent windows, big money I used
to play, be able to play that

1619
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,380
note for note. Well, that was

1620
01:24:01,060 --> 01:24:04,260
permanent waves or something
that's no signals. Power signals

1621
01:24:04,260 --> 01:24:06,900
factor, big money. Big money's
on power windows. Yeah, that's

1622
01:24:06,900 --> 01:24:07,800
power window, yeah.

1623
01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:11,040
And I stopped at signals, like I
bought the record, all excited,

1624
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:14,640
like every other rush record,
and put the needle down, and it

1625
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,500
was over. I was done

1626
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:20,580
with because of the keyboards.
No, yeah, no reason at all.

1627
01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:24,800
I was just done with them, and I
took 35 years off, and then

1628
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,260
rediscovered him, rediscovered
him. And it turns out they

1629
01:24:27,260 --> 01:24:29,960
didn't wait for me. They just
wouldn't have made music anyway.

1630
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,900
They were like, Dave, stop
listening. We should probably

1631
01:24:32,900 --> 01:24:33,560
hang this, right?

1632
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,440
You got to appreciate the fact
that with the documentaries they

1633
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:39,680
made in the last 20 years on
those guys, they really just say

1634
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,760
they played the they didn't give
a damn, and it's they just, you

1635
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,340
know, the people followed along,
or that they did. They had a

1636
01:24:45,340 --> 01:24:46,420
raving fan base.

1637
01:24:46,420 --> 01:24:50,380
The craziest thing was, and I
can't say this 100% sure, but

1638
01:24:50,380 --> 01:24:54,640
I'm pretty sure I was at Neil's
very first gig with Rush. Oh my

1639
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,580
God, because they were, they
were opening for your right heap

1640
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,540
at the Pittsburgh civic arena,
and I remember. Going to see

1641
01:25:00,540 --> 01:25:05,220
your eye heat. So I probably saw
rush on Neil's very first gig

1642
01:25:05,220 --> 01:25:09,060
ever. But I don't remember,
because I didn't really discover

1643
01:25:09,060 --> 01:25:11,940
them until all the world's a
stage, yeah, and from that point

1644
01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:15,060
it was on, I saw him like four
times on the Fair Board of Kings

1645
01:25:15,060 --> 01:25:17,820
store, and I was the biggest
rush fan in the world, amazing.

1646
01:25:17,820 --> 01:25:21,200
But then R B just took over
that, yeah, just became

1647
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,020
everything was R B for me, so,
so then he's like, you know,

1648
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,480
dude, you're really missing out,
man, you gotta listen, he is

1649
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:29,480
missing out. Great pressure.
Late 80s era is crazy, yeah,

1650
01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:32,420
it really was. I'm a fan of that

1651
01:25:32,420 --> 01:25:35,360
era. I love it that it's not
nostalgic for you Nick, it's

1652
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,540
actually new, yeah, because we
live, we live through it, you

1653
01:25:38,540 --> 01:25:38,720
know?

1654
01:25:38,780 --> 01:25:42,940
Well, honestly, like, I was in
middle school, and I was that

1655
01:25:42,940 --> 01:25:45,100
was, like, the first record I
ever waited to come out. Was

1656
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:48,100
their last studio album,
Clockwork Angels. So I got to

1657
01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:50,800
sit there and be excited for a
record to come out, and then it

1658
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,280
came out. And I remember being
downstairs watching videos on

1659
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,940
the computer. Wow, the
documentary is playing. And I

1660
01:25:57,940 --> 01:26:01,140
think, I think my dad told the
story that one of my brothers

1661
01:26:01,140 --> 01:26:04,440
was like, come on, come on, dad.
Show him. Show him. And my dad

1662
01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:06,600
goes over, like, behind the
computer, and pulls out this

1663
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,900
envelope that had two rush
tickets to at Bridgestone. That

1664
01:26:09,900 --> 01:26:13,560
would have been what, like 2013
that's one of the greatest

1665
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,140
memories of my whole life. I
have a, I mean, this is a rush

1666
01:26:16,140 --> 01:26:19,680
tattoo from that record. Wow,
man. So, I mean, I think about

1667
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,340
this. I think about seeing
Russia. My dad, white band,

1668
01:26:22,580 --> 01:26:23,000
yeah.

1669
01:26:23,420 --> 01:26:24,500
So what is that? A

1670
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:28,820
rhythmic thing? Yeah, it's from
the cell. Person, person, okay,

1671
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:29,000
so

1672
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:29,960
I just had fun, you guys.

1673
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:35,780
I see a letter at that letter to
that got that

1674
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:40,960
on the EF for show you with a
haircut.

1675
01:26:42,220 --> 01:26:43,060
The thing about

1676
01:26:44,740 --> 01:26:47,980
the this was, I heard this and I
decided to become a drummer,

1677
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:52,000
yeah? Like I heard the song, I
heard this lick. I still think

1678
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,400
the drummer that played on this
was the original drummer for the

1679
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,560
average white band, and I think
he's one of the greatest

1680
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,780
drummers that ever lived. And
I've only ever heard him play

1681
01:26:58,780 --> 01:27:02,760
eight songs, yeah, and because
he passed away, he died of a

1682
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:06,120
drug overdose when he was 25
when pick up the pieces was

1683
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,640
still moving up the charts.
Don't do drugs kids. Don't do

1684
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,300
drugs kids. And then feroni came
in and replaced Yeah, but

1685
01:27:12,300 --> 01:27:14,520
Robbie, like you go listen to
that record, man. You're just

1686
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,760
like he would have played on
Steely Dan records. He was that

1687
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,540
good. Jim Gordon, good, he was
Bernard Purdy good,

1688
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,240
you know, Oh, how about that?
Jim Gordon, My God, what a

1689
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:26,060
horrible thing you're hearing
voices he was, he was this

1690
01:27:26,060 --> 01:27:28,700
incredible session drummer,
like, you know, the Carly Simon

1691
01:27:28,700 --> 01:27:29,960
era and the, oh

1692
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:32,900
yeah, all that kind of, the one
that, that picaro

1693
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:38,480
just Yeah, so vain, incredible.
Heard voices in his head. Killed

1694
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:40,900
his mother. Oh, wow. And he's in
prison for life.

1695
01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:43,540
Man just recently passed away.

1696
01:27:44,980 --> 01:27:46,780
Wow, I just not that long ago.

1697
01:27:47,620 --> 01:27:50,380
Well, hopefully his prison
experience was not

1698
01:27:50,379 --> 01:27:52,359
tending on a high note, anyway.

1699
01:27:55,060 --> 01:27:57,400
On the other hand, I'm a
motivational speaker.

1700
01:27:58,900 --> 01:27:59,620
On the other hand,

1701
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,120
on a much higher note, it's
funny because people will come

1702
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,220
up to me and go, are you still
playing a whole lot? And I'm

1703
01:28:05,220 --> 01:28:08,100
like, No, I'm not really playing
as much as I used to, but the

1704
01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:10,440
boys kicking ass. So the
franchise?

1705
01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:12,000
Yes, franchise is a

1706
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:16,200
good the Harrison family.com
legacy.

1707
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,720
So that's Dave Harrison, and
that's Nick Harrison. How do you

1708
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:20,660
guys like to be found? Do you
have like an easy

1709
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,620
you know, we established or
Instagram.

1710
01:28:25,100 --> 01:28:27,860
Do you like people signing in
your DMS?

1711
01:28:27,860 --> 01:28:30,680
Like, I've never understood this
well, like people would call me.

1712
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:35,300
How'd you get my number? I want
to get business cards made up

1713
01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:38,660
that just say, Dave Harrison,
recovering asshole, and no phone

1714
01:28:38,660 --> 01:28:39,620
number, no.

1715
01:28:39,620 --> 01:28:41,320
It's amazing. I contest
information.

1716
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,880
Are you an AFM guy? Were you
always like a union guy?

1717
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:48,940
You know, very little, actually,
very little. I didn't do a lot

1718
01:28:48,940 --> 01:28:54,040
of the Union session stuff. I
did a lot of custom type work

1719
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,680
when I was, when I was doing a
lot of sessions I did. I worked

1720
01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:01,380
all the time, but it was not,
you know, Chapel Hill, six songs

1721
01:29:01,380 --> 01:29:03,780
in three hours. I hated that
crap. Yeah, I didn't like doing

1722
01:29:03,780 --> 01:29:03,960
it.

1723
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,960
I have an idea for that business
card. What is it? Put a phone

1724
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,000
number on there, but it's not
the right phone number. There

1725
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,460
you go, and it goes to recording
of you saying I gave you the

1726
01:29:11,460 --> 01:29:14,940
wrong phone number for a reason.
Leave me alone in

1727
01:29:15,060 --> 01:29:17,940
this day and age. I thought it'd
be funny to have a business

1728
01:29:17,940 --> 01:29:21,360
card, but you have to put it
under a microscope, and it's

1729
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,900
everything I've ever done in my
entire life,

1730
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,160
or the phone number goes to
Kevin Murphy,

1731
01:29:30,260 --> 01:29:32,600
because He will not

1732
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,040
answer. He will not

1733
01:29:35,300 --> 01:29:37,640
answer, leaving messages all the
time, and then I hear back from

1734
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:38,480
him three weeks later.

1735
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:41,980
Don't you think he needs his own
podcast? Oh, my God, he needs

1736
01:29:41,980 --> 01:29:44,200
his own television. Delightful
curmudgeon.com.

1737
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:49,000
Yeah, I met him when he was a
freshman at ETSU. Oh, you guys

1738
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:54,700
go back that far, wow. And the
Kevin Murphy that we all know

1739
01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:59,620
and love is just such a teddy
bear. Old Kevin Murphy.

1740
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,480
Was nuts come out to

1741
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:07,260
Edwin Giggs, and he would take
my phone and put it in, like

1742
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:08,160
Chinese,

1743
01:30:12,060 --> 01:30:13,920
I can't do anything with this
phone, because

1744
01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:19,920
who was that American Idol guy
that he played with in the early

1745
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:20,100
days?

1746
01:30:20,940 --> 01:30:21,860
Yeah, that he was the

1747
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:23,180
green guy. Yeah,

1748
01:30:24,380 --> 01:30:27,260
Josh Grayson. Josh gray that's
when I met him, that era.

1749
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:29,540
So we were doing

1750
01:30:29,540 --> 01:30:32,060
a gig, and I was playing with
Jessica harp. I used to get

1751
01:30:32,060 --> 01:30:34,520
those road gigs where you're
playing with the person who has

1752
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:38,120
a deal at the moment, kind of,
you know. And we played a gig

1753
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:41,320
with him somewhere in New York,
somewhere upstate New York and

1754
01:30:41,740 --> 01:30:45,640
and I said, I said, Hey, man,
I'm just, I don't, can I just

1755
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,960
play your drums? And he goes,
Yeah, sure. So pretty good. He

1756
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:55,180
comes up, he goes, Did you bring
your own snare drum and cymbals?

1757
01:30:55,180 --> 01:31:00,540
I was like, no. I said, I used
your sticks amazing.

1758
01:31:01,980 --> 01:31:04,320
Got it, walked off the stage. I
didn't know you

1759
01:31:04,379 --> 01:31:06,479
guys went back that far. That's
crazy.

1760
01:31:06,660 --> 01:31:09,840
I love him. I was doing a
record, speaking of Rush, I was

1761
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,140
doing a record that was being
produced by Peter Collins, and I

1762
01:31:13,140 --> 01:31:16,380
got called in to do percussion,
nice overdubs, and so I'm

1763
01:31:16,380 --> 01:31:21,260
working all day on the record.
And man, I just kept going, man,

1764
01:31:21,260 --> 01:31:24,200
these drum tracks are killing
me. These are drum sets are so

1765
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:28,520
good. And finally, I just had to
break down. I was like, Who is

1766
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:31,400
the drummer on this stuff? And
they're like, Oh, he's a brand

1767
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,740
new guy in town. Just got to
town named Kevin Murphy. And I

1768
01:31:33,740 --> 01:31:36,440
was just like, I was started
crying. I was so proud of him.

1769
01:31:36,440 --> 01:31:41,440
Nice. The tracks were amazing,
yeah. And I just love I saw him

1770
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:44,740
with tonic. I mean, I saw him
and tonic a bunch of times when

1771
01:31:44,740 --> 01:31:46,900
I was with them, but I was
playing with Carol and Don

1772
01:31:46,900 --> 01:31:51,280
Johnson. Yeah, we went to see
Sheryl Crow and train, and tonic

1773
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:54,580
was playing on the in the
parking lot, right? And so I'm

1774
01:31:54,580 --> 01:31:57,400
just sitting there watching
tonic, just going, what a great

1775
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,220
man. Look at this drummer, you
know. And I know Kevin really

1776
01:32:00,220 --> 01:32:03,120
well, you know. So I'm like, Oh
my God, he's so good. And then

1777
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,300
he looks at me, sees me, and
it's like he just, you know,

1778
01:32:06,300 --> 01:32:09,420
reached down and took the little
lid off of the red button and

1779
01:32:09,420 --> 01:32:13,020
just pushed that. Just took off
show for me. And I was just

1780
01:32:15,060 --> 01:32:17,700
one handed role, same species of
person.

1781
01:32:17,700 --> 01:32:21,680
I mean, so what is, what is the
story with Branford Marcellus,

1782
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:28,280
so Branford, you know, he lives
in North Carolina, and we used

1783
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,100
to do these gigs with hoodie and
the Blowfish there's like,

1784
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,160
Monday after the Masters gigs,
and that this was like that, but

1785
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:37,280
it was like something to do with
the BMW car corporation or

1786
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,180
something. It was in Greenville,
South Carolina. And Branford is

1787
01:32:40,180 --> 01:32:42,580
just hanging out, and he's
playing with Hootie, and he's

1788
01:32:42,580 --> 01:32:46,120
playing with us, and he's just
really cool. And then we're in

1789
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,640
the dressing room, and we're
just talking to Branford. And be

1790
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,040
like, the cool thing about
Branford, he's just awesome to

1791
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,400
talk to. He's just really nice.
And so I said something about

1792
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,500
like, I was like, you know, I'll
be totally honest with you,

1793
01:32:56,500 --> 01:32:59,140
like, if my monitor mix is
great, I really don't give a

1794
01:32:59,140 --> 01:33:01,560
shit if the mains on are on or
not. Like, I don't care about

1795
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,320
the audience. I don't care about
their entertainment. I just care

1796
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,660
about the musicians I'm playing
with. And I do it for me. I

1797
01:33:06,660 --> 01:33:09,600
don't have an altruistic bone in
my body when I play music, it's

1798
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:13,080
just for me. And he goes, Yeah,
I know. Man, like, back when I

1799
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:16,860
was with Sting, I used to, I go,
Wait a minute, you played with

1800
01:33:16,860 --> 01:33:20,900
Sting, Jimmy the blue turtles.
And he goes, Yeah, for like,

1801
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,120
oh, fuck, man.

1802
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:26,540
And Hendrix. Lee, Hendrix

1803
01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:29,420
is on the floor crying loudly.
Hendricks, the bass player,

1804
01:33:29,480 --> 01:33:33,380
yeah, he was with Edwin. He was
so, you know, it's just

1805
01:33:33,380 --> 01:33:36,860
something I just did to goon on,
you know, Bradford. But then

1806
01:33:37,580 --> 01:33:40,900
I've got a snare drum and a set
of brushes, and Branford and I

1807
01:33:40,900 --> 01:33:44,440
are just working out jazz, and a
half an hour jazz ended up

1808
01:33:44,440 --> 01:33:47,500
having a ball. I just can't
believe it's even happening. So

1809
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,560
we finish up, you know, I'm
putting my brushes and stuff,

1810
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:54,340
and I said, Hey, man, I gotta
go. I gotta go jerk off and

1811
01:33:54,340 --> 01:34:00,280
update my resume. That's funny
as a joke. Yeah, I put Bradford

1812
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:00,700
Marcelo.

1813
01:34:00,700 --> 01:34:04,440
That's amazing. Well, he's never
really played. He seems like the

1814
01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:06,000
more approachable the Marcellus

1815
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,280
brothers, oh, he's, he's just
like you and me, except that

1816
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:10,320
he's forgotten more about music
than we'll ever know.

1817
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,960
And he was the band leader on
The Tonight Show for some time

1818
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:14,580
as well for Jay Leno.

1819
01:34:14,700 --> 01:34:17,700
And I just took Jack to see him
with the Nashville Symphony, and

1820
01:34:17,700 --> 01:34:21,200
it was unbelievable, amazing.
So, yeah, so that was, that's a

1821
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:22,400
joke I did not play

1822
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,580
with I love the story. I don't
play at that gym. How about this

1823
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,820
father and son team here? Did
you avoid meeting them? Did you

1824
01:34:28,820 --> 01:34:29,960
find your weird questions?

1825
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:37,040
Or I kind of, I'll say, I don't
like that one. I'm sorry. So

1826
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,320
maybe I did. What are you
looking forward to in the coming

1827
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:39,800
months?

1828
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:43,900
I a weird

1829
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:47,020
one for me. I got two bicycle
rides. Yeah, I'm doing the

1830
01:34:47,020 --> 01:34:49,840
gravel revival and the
Scarecrow, and we're going to

1831
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:55,180
see Noga Erez, and then we're
going to see Steve Ferroni with

1832
01:34:55,180 --> 01:34:57,700
Paul Jackson. And I can't
remember everybody that's on

1833
01:34:57,700 --> 01:34:57,880
that

1834
01:34:57,880 --> 01:34:59,800
gig. Where's that? Leslie, I.

1835
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,100
What you're going to totally be
able to go talk

1836
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:06,480
to the guy? Well, yeah, I might
be able to, I get, kind

1837
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,360
of let him break the ice for
you, yeah, because I took him to

1838
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:09,480
see

1839
01:35:09,540 --> 01:35:12,420
Dave weckel, and then he's not
there at the table with us for

1840
01:35:12,420 --> 01:35:14,580
the longest time. He goes back
and said where he goes, I'm

1841
01:35:14,580 --> 01:35:18,540
backstage talking to Dave
fearless. Well, he deserves to

1842
01:35:18,540 --> 01:35:20,840
go talk to Dave. Yeah, I've
never actually practiced, so I

1843
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:21,860
don't have nothing to say.

1844
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:24,860
What are you looking forward to
the next couple of

1845
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:29,000
months? Well, I just moved into
a new place, living in Donaldson

1846
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:32,120
now, so I'm just excited to
that's the new East Nashville.

1847
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,180
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I've
never really explored there too,

1848
01:35:35,180 --> 01:35:35,540
too much.

1849
01:35:35,540 --> 01:35:39,020
So Whataburger there now, let's
say again, you got a Whataburger

1850
01:35:39,020 --> 01:35:40,700
there now, and you have a red
door.

1851
01:35:40,700 --> 01:35:43,180
Thank God I was living in
Antioch, and that Whataburger

1852
01:35:43,180 --> 01:35:47,920
came in clutch after, like, late
nights and stuff. So yeah, just

1853
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:52,720
making music, I'm producing,
mixing, drumming, excited for

1854
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:54,700
all of that. I love it. And
Karina

1855
01:35:54,700 --> 01:35:57,460
Hardesty, yeah, Karina Nicole,

1856
01:35:57,460 --> 01:36:01,800
Karina Bridget. Bridget, she's a
new artist. She's from the

1857
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:05,820
Northeast, and an amazing kind
of Americana soul, like one of

1858
01:36:05,820 --> 01:36:08,220
the most amazing voices I've
ever heard, nice my life. And

1859
01:36:08,220 --> 01:36:10,500
we're working on some some new
music. You get

1860
01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:12,420
her, get her a record deal. Kid,
you know,

1861
01:36:13,620 --> 01:36:15,720
your troubles are over. Yeah,

1862
01:36:16,260 --> 01:36:21,080
I just, I want 20% chocolate.
That's good, man. Well, it's,

1863
01:36:21,140 --> 01:36:23,960
this was so fun, and it's, and
it's a first, and I think it's

1864
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:26,300
probably going to be the last
father and son team.

1865
01:36:26,660 --> 01:36:30,080
Well, I mean, you know, I'll be
back in 20 beauties kid, yeah,

1866
01:36:30,380 --> 01:36:34,340
and beauties kids coming up. Is
he really how I saw Dave Black

1867
01:36:34,340 --> 01:36:37,220
had his kid behind the kit? Oh
yeah, no. My comment was, I

1868
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:40,480
said, be careful with that. I
said, you don't know the pain of

1869
01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:46,240
watching your son become twice
the drummer you ever I do crazy.

1870
01:36:46,300 --> 01:36:49,360
Oh my god, yeah, no, I never
made life, so I have to live to

1871
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:53,740
you guys. That's right, hey. So
thank you guys. I really

1872
01:36:53,740 --> 01:36:56,800
appreciate, really nice. Thanks
for making the trip. And you

1873
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:00,960
know, we go way back, and it's
so cool to see all your Rising

1874
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,480
Phoenix, rising trajectory. Ask
him

1875
01:37:03,480 --> 01:37:06,300
whose favorite record producer
is. Who's your favorite

1876
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:10,320
record producer? That's a great
Barry White, yeah.

1877
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,000
Ask him what his favorite band
is.

1878
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,900
So you know about we have that
drummer here. Ed, green. Ed,

1879
01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:18,900
green. Oh, is that right? We had
him on the show like six years

1880
01:37:18,900 --> 01:37:19,080
ago.

1881
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:22,520
Oh, no kidding. Yeah. I have to
go look for that one. Yeah, ask

1882
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:25,400
him his favorite band, favorite
band right now, I'm a sugar.

1883
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:34,220
Love it, man. Just fun, right?
Fun, awesome. We got to make

1884
01:37:34,220 --> 01:37:37,640
sure these guys get mugs. We're
gonna make it happen. And to all

1885
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:39,560
listeners, thank you for
watching. Thank you for

1886
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,820
listening. Be sure to subscribe,
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1887
01:37:42,820 --> 01:37:46,480
people find the show and until
next time, we appreciate it. See

1888
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:47,260
you. Thanks, guys.

1889
01:37:48,220 --> 01:37:52,960
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1890
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1891
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