1 00:00:00,060 --> 00:00:01,824 Speaker 1: Hello, dear friends, this is John Butler 2 00:00:02,385 --> 00:00:04,931 Speaker 1: and you're about to listen to a podcast 3 00:00:04,971 --> 00:00:06,013 Speaker 1: called Running the River. 4 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:08,626 Speaker 1: This is a new podcast that I have put 5 00:00:08,666 --> 00:00:10,491 Speaker 1: together with my dear friend Dingo Spender. 6 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,726 Speaker 1: He, you may recall, helped me with the last 7 00:00:12,966 --> 00:00:14,972 Speaker 1: podcast I made for my album Home. 8 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,545 Speaker 1: Here again we deconstruct and get under the 9 00:00:18,645 --> 00:00:20,708 Speaker 1: skin and get our hands dirty in the 10 00:00:20,768 --> 00:00:23,272 Speaker 1: substrate soil of what I was envisioning 11 00:00:23,332 --> 00:00:25,095 Speaker 1: for this latest ambient album. 12 00:00:25,220 --> 00:00:27,324 Speaker 1: This is an album I made for wellness 13 00:00:27,344 --> 00:00:29,990 Speaker 1: practitioners and practicers alike to 14 00:00:30,591 --> 00:00:34,128 Speaker 1: defrag and decompress in this very busy, 15 00:00:34,912 --> 00:00:38,704 Speaker 1: fast and quick world, and we hope you enjoy 16 00:00:38,904 --> 00:00:42,272 Speaker 1: as we take you up, down and across the 17 00:00:42,312 --> 00:00:42,573 Speaker 1: river. 18 00:00:43,100 --> 00:00:44,827 Speaker 1: This is Running the River. 19 00:00:45,741 --> 00:00:47,167 Speaker 1: Firstly it was for me. 20 00:00:47,780 --> 00:00:53,261 Speaker 1: Firstly it was for to explore things and 21 00:00:53,321 --> 00:00:58,609 Speaker 1: make things less complex, slow down in BPM 22 00:00:59,742 --> 00:01:05,691 Speaker 1: and slow down sonically and physically, and 23 00:01:07,333 --> 00:01:08,395 Speaker 1: for that it did its job. 24 00:01:08,415 --> 00:01:09,437 Speaker 1: Slow down sonically and physically, you 25 00:01:09,457 --> 00:01:09,557 Speaker 1: know. 26 00:01:09,577 --> 00:01:14,841 Speaker 1: And for that it did its job, you know, as I 27 00:01:14,902 --> 00:01:16,147 Speaker 1: said before, making these 10-minute songs 28 00:01:16,167 --> 00:01:18,016 Speaker 1: and listening back to them, falling asleep, 29 00:01:18,076 --> 00:01:20,345 Speaker 1: listening back to them, it's like okay, 30 00:01:20,385 --> 00:01:22,142 Speaker 1: it's doing what I want it to do, which is 31 00:01:22,162 --> 00:01:24,490 Speaker 1: like really calming the nervous system. 32 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,969 Speaker 1: I'm sure many listeners listening to this 33 00:01:27,009 --> 00:01:29,378 Speaker 1: who practice a form of mindfulness or 34 00:01:29,418 --> 00:01:31,925 Speaker 1: meditation, you will often experience 35 00:01:31,965 --> 00:01:34,091 Speaker 1: falling asleep in the practice because the 36 00:01:34,131 --> 00:01:35,862 Speaker 1: nervous system is like, oh, really cool, oh 37 00:01:35,902 --> 00:01:37,145 Speaker 1: cool, thank you, yeah. 38 00:01:38,168 --> 00:01:39,651 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, before we get into any 39 00:01:39,691 --> 00:01:42,244 Speaker 1: kind of transcendental uh, you know, uh, 40 00:01:42,264 --> 00:01:45,030 Speaker 1: you know, uh mindsets, let's talk about my 41 00:01:45,070 --> 00:01:47,262 Speaker 1: sleep debt, my nervous, my service, my 42 00:01:47,342 --> 00:01:49,826 Speaker 1: nervous system recouping, you know. 43 00:01:50,387 --> 00:01:54,854 Speaker 1: So, um, yeah first of all, it was a vehicle 44 00:01:54,894 --> 00:01:56,905 Speaker 1: for that which music always has been a 45 00:01:57,045 --> 00:01:58,750 Speaker 1: vehicle to meet myself, and that was this 46 00:01:58,810 --> 00:02:01,564 Speaker 1: one was very a concerted and like 47 00:02:01,604 --> 00:02:04,189 Speaker 1: concentrated effort to do something in 48 00:02:04,209 --> 00:02:08,437 Speaker 1: particular which was essentially to be part 49 00:02:08,838 --> 00:02:16,253 Speaker 1: of a soundtrack for modalities to heal 50 00:02:16,333 --> 00:02:19,008 Speaker 1: people, to be what somebody listened to 51 00:02:19,069 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: when they're getting a massage or remedial 52 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,826 Speaker 1: work or Reiki or acupuncture or kinesiology, 53 00:02:24,987 --> 00:02:27,832 Speaker 1: or getting some osteopathy done, 54 00:02:27,972 --> 00:02:32,828 Speaker 1: chiropractic done, doing Shavasana, doing 55 00:02:32,868 --> 00:02:35,525 Speaker 1: your breathing exercise, but also, you know, 56 00:02:36,367 --> 00:02:38,483 Speaker 1: to put your kids to sleep too, to just 57 00:02:38,725 --> 00:02:39,268 Speaker 1: chill out. 58 00:02:39,309 --> 00:02:41,241 Speaker 1: When you're like on a plane and the 59 00:02:41,281 --> 00:02:43,682 Speaker 1: industrial noise of it's really intense and 60 00:02:43,722 --> 00:02:45,881 Speaker 1: you just need to put on the best headphones 61 00:02:45,901 --> 00:02:48,926 Speaker 1: you could possibly get a hold of and get 62 00:02:48,986 --> 00:02:53,494 Speaker 1: rid of that noise, it's like, hey, if 63 00:02:53,514 --> 00:02:56,685 Speaker 1: you're like you know, doing the harvest in 64 00:02:56,705 --> 00:03:00,331 Speaker 1: a bloody big machine, oh yeah, put it on, 65 00:03:00,832 --> 00:03:01,332 Speaker 1: chill out. 66 00:03:01,393 --> 00:03:05,733 Speaker 1: You know anything to bring down, bring down 67 00:03:05,753 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: the heartbeat a little bit and just bring 68 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,442 Speaker 1: down the nervous system. 69 00:03:08,783 --> 00:03:10,827 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's for people who want to do, I 70 00:03:10,847 --> 00:03:14,743 Speaker 1: don't know, sweat ceremonies or something 71 00:03:14,763 --> 00:03:16,226 Speaker 1: to concentrate when you're doing your ice 72 00:03:16,286 --> 00:03:18,792 Speaker 1: bath, or it may be something that you do 73 00:03:19,701 --> 00:03:21,724 Speaker 1: when you're on, you know, a plant medicine 74 00:03:21,764 --> 00:03:22,044 Speaker 1: journey. 75 00:03:22,304 --> 00:03:24,307 Speaker 1: You know all these things were on my mind 76 00:03:24,347 --> 00:03:26,009 Speaker 1: when I was playing, like you know. 77 00:03:26,450 --> 00:03:29,214 Speaker 1: Essentially, you know, a lot of what I do 78 00:03:29,314 --> 00:03:30,916 Speaker 1: instrumentally is, you know, it's kind of 79 00:03:30,936 --> 00:03:33,847 Speaker 1: like journey music and so, yeah, I wanted 80 00:03:33,907 --> 00:03:38,137 Speaker 1: to be able to be a soundtrack to those 81 00:03:38,177 --> 00:03:40,382 Speaker 1: things in an unobtrusive way, if, if 82 00:03:40,422 --> 00:03:43,347 Speaker 1: possible, you know, like to still allow the 83 00:03:43,387 --> 00:03:47,514 Speaker 1: space for the self to be in and not be like, 84 00:03:47,801 --> 00:03:49,467 Speaker 1: hey, look at me, over here I'm doing this 85 00:03:49,547 --> 00:03:52,217 Speaker 1: clever thing on guitar and, oh, I said that 86 00:03:52,358 --> 00:03:54,565 Speaker 1: awesome prose and well, and we did this 87 00:03:54,606 --> 00:03:56,392 Speaker 1: cool thing with a time signature and then, 88 00:03:56,432 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: surprise, you know, it was like the 89 00:03:59,061 --> 00:03:59,883 Speaker 1: opposite of all that. 90 00:04:00,043 --> 00:04:01,807 Speaker 1: Not that I make music that way, but we do. 91 00:04:02,509 --> 00:04:04,622 Speaker 1: Hey, we could like drop it for four bars 92 00:04:04,642 --> 00:04:05,987 Speaker 1: and then we'll bring all the instruments 93 00:04:06,048 --> 00:04:07,605 Speaker 1: back and then, you know, but it would be 94 00:04:07,625 --> 00:04:09,804 Speaker 1: like 6-8 instead of 4-4, but we'll play the 95 00:04:09,844 --> 00:04:10,768 Speaker 1: 6-8 over the 4-4. 96 00:04:11,060 --> 00:04:12,524 Speaker 1: So it's not really like none of that. 97 00:04:12,544 --> 00:04:18,327 Speaker 1: So, and thank you, yeah, for just that 98 00:04:18,428 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: alone, just like Not doing that. 99 00:04:19,940 --> 00:04:21,283 Speaker 2: Making that choice not to do that. 100 00:04:21,323 --> 00:04:23,707 Speaker 2: I mean, we do love it when you do that as 101 00:04:23,747 --> 00:04:23,987 Speaker 2: well. 102 00:04:24,088 --> 00:04:26,272 Speaker 2: So just for taking a risk here. 103 00:04:26,572 --> 00:04:26,773 Speaker 1: Yeah. 104 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:27,794 Speaker 2: Going somewhere new. 105 00:04:30,786 --> 00:04:34,693 Speaker 1: You know, for palliative care wards, for, 106 00:04:34,934 --> 00:04:38,026 Speaker 1: yeah, just anywhere where it could just 107 00:04:38,106 --> 00:04:40,752 Speaker 1: breathe a bit of sonic soothing. 108 00:04:40,852 --> 00:04:43,287 Speaker 1: You know, that's who I made it for. 109 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,701 Speaker 1: And that's why you know it is pretty water 110 00:04:45,761 --> 00:04:45,861 Speaker 1: go. 111 00:04:45,901 --> 00:04:47,605 Speaker 1: Yeah, anything from putting your kids the 112 00:04:47,625 --> 00:04:50,392 Speaker 1: kids to bed, get a massage or taking a 113 00:04:50,412 --> 00:04:51,221 Speaker 1: magic mushroom trip. 114 00:04:51,562 --> 00:04:54,087 Speaker 1: Yes, it is actually for any and all the 115 00:04:54,127 --> 00:04:54,488 Speaker 1: above. 116 00:04:54,829 --> 00:04:56,793 Speaker 2: It depending on how it suits you, and 117 00:04:57,561 --> 00:05:00,225 Speaker 2: that's all the above is a pretty amazing, 118 00:05:00,986 --> 00:05:03,651 Speaker 2: like potential experiment putting kids to 119 00:05:03,691 --> 00:05:05,774 Speaker 2: bed on munging mushrooms. 120 00:05:05,954 --> 00:05:07,262 Speaker 2: What else was the third one, getting a 121 00:05:07,282 --> 00:05:07,643 Speaker 2: massage. 122 00:05:07,723 --> 00:05:10,069 Speaker 2: Getting a massage like yes that sounds good. 123 00:05:10,410 --> 00:05:10,731 Speaker 1: I think it's. 124 00:05:10,771 --> 00:05:12,283 Speaker 1: I mean maybe not all at once, but there's 125 00:05:12,343 --> 00:05:13,867 Speaker 1: an order like put the kids to bed. 126 00:05:13,927 --> 00:05:14,829 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. 127 00:05:15,651 --> 00:05:16,862 Speaker 1: I mean, for me it was. 128 00:05:17,504 --> 00:05:19,992 Speaker 1: I was just using ambient music as a tool, 129 00:05:20,032 --> 00:05:21,957 Speaker 1: as I said, to get over literally the 130 00:05:22,479 --> 00:05:24,926 Speaker 1: industrial noise of the city, but also 131 00:05:24,986 --> 00:05:26,230 Speaker 1: sometimes I'm using it because I need to 132 00:05:26,290 --> 00:05:27,945 Speaker 1: actually work and I'm working in a loud 133 00:05:27,985 --> 00:05:28,487 Speaker 1: environment. 134 00:05:29,784 --> 00:05:32,060 Speaker 1: I'm overseas somewhere, I'm at a cafe, I'm 135 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,484 Speaker 1: at somewhere that has decent internet, I'm 136 00:05:33,524 --> 00:05:35,590 Speaker 1: backstage, there's people talking. 137 00:05:35,630 --> 00:05:39,667 Speaker 1: It's a workplace and the way my attention 138 00:05:39,687 --> 00:05:39,868 Speaker 1: works. 139 00:05:39,940 --> 00:05:42,316 Speaker 1: If somebody's nearby and talking a little 140 00:05:42,356 --> 00:05:44,385 Speaker 1: too loud and they're saying something 141 00:05:44,405 --> 00:05:47,266 Speaker 1: that's semi kind of audible, my mind will 142 00:05:47,286 --> 00:05:49,374 Speaker 1: just like I don't want to listen to you. 143 00:05:49,414 --> 00:05:51,281 Speaker 1: I'm meant to be doing this email, but I'm 144 00:05:52,443 --> 00:05:55,209 Speaker 1: like ah, yeah, um you know it's music for 145 00:05:55,229 --> 00:05:55,409 Speaker 1: that. 146 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:57,633 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's music to calmly work to. 147 00:05:57,754 --> 00:05:59,705 Speaker 1: Yeah, and music you know I can't listen to 148 00:05:59,745 --> 00:06:03,235 Speaker 1: like very busy music and and work. 149 00:06:03,436 --> 00:06:04,158 Speaker 1: I'm like sick. 150 00:06:04,418 --> 00:06:06,426 Speaker 1: I'm just like jamming with timberland or 151 00:06:06,961 --> 00:06:07,382 Speaker 1: pharrell. 152 00:06:07,402 --> 00:06:08,485 Speaker 1: I'm like what am I typing? 153 00:06:08,565 --> 00:06:10,130 Speaker 1: Oh, I can't even understand what I'm typing. 154 00:06:10,210 --> 00:06:13,005 Speaker 1: I've like this I mean there's no auto 155 00:06:13,045 --> 00:06:14,830 Speaker 1: correct on that could possibly work out 156 00:06:14,850 --> 00:06:15,451 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do. 157 00:06:15,532 --> 00:06:18,837 Speaker 1: So music for all of that, you know, all of 158 00:06:18,918 --> 00:06:22,365 Speaker 1: that kind of just space. 159 00:06:23,606 --> 00:06:26,391 Speaker 1: I feel fried by the world at times, just 160 00:06:26,531 --> 00:06:29,495 Speaker 1: absolutely fried by it, and that's like 161 00:06:29,515 --> 00:06:32,525 Speaker 1: from my privileged position you know um 162 00:06:32,586 --> 00:06:36,192 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, I think the nature of the job is 163 00:06:36,513 --> 00:06:38,163 Speaker 1: done a bit of extra work on the nervous 164 00:06:38,203 --> 00:06:41,090 Speaker 1: system, you know yeah yeah, just being on 165 00:06:41,130 --> 00:06:42,661 Speaker 1: stage every night, having to flip that 166 00:06:42,701 --> 00:06:46,792 Speaker 1: switch and with my, my chest cavity open to 167 00:06:46,812 --> 00:06:49,166 Speaker 1: show everybody my beating heart to a bunch 168 00:06:49,186 --> 00:06:51,191 Speaker 1: of people who I don't know the the nature 169 00:06:51,311 --> 00:06:55,041 Speaker 1: of how it seems to be. 170 00:06:55,121 --> 00:06:59,068 Speaker 1: In this world of social media it's so much 171 00:06:59,408 --> 00:07:02,714 Speaker 1: easier to be mean than to be kind and what 172 00:07:02,754 --> 00:07:04,573 Speaker 1: that's doing to like people's sense of 173 00:07:04,613 --> 00:07:08,149 Speaker 1: safety in the world and just like you know 174 00:07:08,180 --> 00:07:09,846 Speaker 1: that that's just lurking in the background 175 00:07:09,926 --> 00:07:12,427 Speaker 1: at all times, the phone that's on at all 176 00:07:12,487 --> 00:07:14,365 Speaker 1: times, all those things like the phone 177 00:07:14,405 --> 00:07:15,168 Speaker 1: being on at all times. 178 00:07:15,321 --> 00:07:16,305 Speaker 1: I better keep my phone on me. 179 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:18,146 Speaker 1: Something might happen that's right. 180 00:07:18,166 --> 00:07:18,808 Speaker 1: Something might need. 181 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:20,687 Speaker 1: That wasn't around 30 years ago. 182 00:07:20,867 --> 00:07:22,423 Speaker 1: That was that did not exist. 183 00:07:22,684 --> 00:07:24,529 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like you found out later they 184 00:07:24,569 --> 00:07:26,563 Speaker 1: left a message, yeah, and he was just like 185 00:07:26,643 --> 00:07:26,944 Speaker 1: shit. 186 00:07:27,325 --> 00:07:28,708 Speaker 1: So I just found out. 187 00:07:28,788 --> 00:07:29,549 Speaker 1: Are you okay? 188 00:07:29,630 --> 00:07:31,782 Speaker 1: Yeah, nine times out of ten they were yeah. 189 00:07:32,144 --> 00:07:33,751 Speaker 1: But now we have this thing that we carry in 190 00:07:33,791 --> 00:07:35,238 Speaker 1: our pocket that's connected to the whole 191 00:07:35,278 --> 00:07:38,545 Speaker 1: world, uh, and, and behind it all, there's 192 00:07:38,766 --> 00:07:42,813 Speaker 1: for me, there's this looming uh, what what 193 00:07:42,853 --> 00:07:43,735 Speaker 1: if somebody dies? 194 00:07:44,102 --> 00:07:45,554 Speaker 1: Essentially, what if somebody gets 195 00:07:45,675 --> 00:07:47,534 Speaker 1: catastrophically hurt and they need to get 196 00:07:47,554 --> 00:07:48,686 Speaker 1: a hold of you right now? 197 00:07:48,827 --> 00:07:51,413 Speaker 1: That's like the why you carry it. 198 00:07:51,534 --> 00:07:53,951 Speaker 1: That's embedded in the hardware of our 199 00:07:54,011 --> 00:07:58,590 Speaker 1: minds and that fries the fuck out of people, 200 00:07:58,710 --> 00:08:01,084 Speaker 1: yeah, not to mention the propensity, 201 00:08:01,164 --> 00:08:05,033 Speaker 1: through the mediums, to just like fucking 202 00:08:05,053 --> 00:08:07,786 Speaker 1: be a dick, to say things you'd never say 203 00:08:08,467 --> 00:08:09,890 Speaker 1: out in nature to people in front of them, 204 00:08:09,971 --> 00:08:11,053 Speaker 1: yeah, or in a room of people. 205 00:08:11,701 --> 00:08:13,565 Speaker 2: Like you just couldn't say that without 206 00:08:13,605 --> 00:08:16,592 Speaker 2: being attacked or like shut down by someone. 207 00:08:16,872 --> 00:08:21,691 Speaker 1: Yeah, the propensity to just not be nice, 208 00:08:24,260 --> 00:08:28,550 Speaker 1: and yeah, I think that's all those things 209 00:08:28,610 --> 00:08:29,813 Speaker 1: apart from what's happening. 210 00:08:30,981 --> 00:08:33,570 Speaker 1: God everywhere you know, everywhere. 211 00:08:35,504 --> 00:08:37,309 Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's what's happening in 212 00:08:37,329 --> 00:08:43,301 Speaker 1: the Middle East right now, whether it's 213 00:08:43,361 --> 00:08:44,824 Speaker 1: what's happening in the middle east right 214 00:08:44,845 --> 00:08:46,107 Speaker 1: now heartbreaking, wrenching, soul tearing, 215 00:08:46,128 --> 00:08:47,290 Speaker 1: whack, social, like the cognitive 216 00:08:47,330 --> 00:08:49,375 Speaker 1: dissonance of just watching and not you 217 00:08:49,395 --> 00:08:52,583 Speaker 1: know, uh, or the climate, you know thing 218 00:08:52,603 --> 00:08:55,890 Speaker 1: that's constantly unfolding, or ukraine, or 219 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:57,581 Speaker 1: the conga, or the you know the mineral 220 00:08:57,621 --> 00:08:59,868 Speaker 1: sands that we're all part of, that we're 221 00:09:00,049 --> 00:09:02,844 Speaker 1: using right now to make this the absolute 222 00:09:03,064 --> 00:09:06,731 Speaker 1: irony and hypocrisy of what it means to be 223 00:09:07,151 --> 00:09:14,047 Speaker 1: a human in the world and all that static. 224 00:09:15,809 --> 00:09:17,892 Speaker 1: I just wanted to make something that felt 225 00:09:17,972 --> 00:09:20,396 Speaker 1: good to listen to, that was just maybe in 226 00:09:20,436 --> 00:09:22,905 Speaker 1: the opposite direction from the 30-second 227 00:09:22,965 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: TikTok, 30-second attention span and 228 00:09:26,821 --> 00:09:28,407 Speaker 1: believe me, I scroll. 229 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:31,167 Speaker 1: There's great things I see online. 230 00:09:31,380 --> 00:09:32,907 Speaker 1: I think we're doing amazing things. 231 00:09:34,083 --> 00:09:35,467 Speaker 1: You know, it depends on where we want to 232 00:09:35,487 --> 00:09:36,851 Speaker 1: look, what we choose to focus on. 233 00:09:38,241 --> 00:09:39,803 Speaker 1: Whatever you put your wood, whatever fire 234 00:09:39,823 --> 00:09:42,045 Speaker 1: you put your wood on, that fire will get 235 00:09:42,105 --> 00:09:42,345 Speaker 1: bigger. 236 00:09:42,506 --> 00:09:45,168 Speaker 1: I do know that, but I need that little bit 237 00:09:45,208 --> 00:09:49,833 Speaker 1: of like space from it all, and so if I'm 238 00:09:50,134 --> 00:09:52,416 Speaker 1: going to interact with this device that is 239 00:09:52,536 --> 00:09:55,127 Speaker 1: extremely has as much potential for good as 240 00:09:55,187 --> 00:09:55,909 Speaker 1: it does bad. 241 00:09:56,501 --> 00:09:57,736 Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure there's a playlist 242 00:09:57,797 --> 00:09:59,867 Speaker 1: somewhere that might just help me for a 243 00:09:59,907 --> 00:10:00,128 Speaker 1: second. 244 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:07,682 Speaker 1: Give me a little bit of scaffolding to just 245 00:10:07,702 --> 00:10:08,624 Speaker 1: breathe, literally just breathe. 246 00:10:08,644 --> 00:10:09,606 Speaker 1: See if we can actually breathe into our 247 00:10:09,626 --> 00:10:10,548 Speaker 1: belly, into our upper lungs, into our 248 00:10:10,588 --> 00:10:11,209 Speaker 1: thoracics. 249 00:10:12,772 --> 00:10:16,744 Speaker 1: Hold breathe out, hold breathe in. 250 00:10:16,986 --> 00:10:18,493 Speaker 1: See if you can do that five times without 251 00:10:18,534 --> 00:10:18,755 Speaker 1: going. 252 00:10:18,795 --> 00:10:19,801 Speaker 1: Oh, I actually have to do something or 253 00:10:19,747 --> 00:10:20,179 Speaker 1: check something on your phone or 254 00:10:20,125 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 1: something's happening, like. 255 00:10:20,545 --> 00:10:20,814 Speaker 1: If you can do that five times without going, 256 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:21,104 Speaker 1: oh, I actually have to do something, or 257 00:10:21,050 --> 00:10:21,582 Speaker 1: check something on your phone or 258 00:10:21,527 --> 00:10:22,981 Speaker 1: something's happening Like, can I just do 259 00:10:23,001 --> 00:10:23,845 Speaker 1: that five times? 260 00:10:24,990 --> 00:10:27,124 Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, let alone anything else. 261 00:10:27,165 --> 00:10:27,948 Speaker 1: Can I just do that five? 262 00:10:28,420 --> 00:10:30,706 Speaker 1: And if a bit of music can help with that, 263 00:10:31,168 --> 00:10:32,170 Speaker 1: that's where I want to live. 264 00:10:32,230 --> 00:10:52,395 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah so I think you must have 265 00:10:52,435 --> 00:10:55,457 Speaker 2: just been just finished the recording you 266 00:10:55,477 --> 00:10:58,404 Speaker 2: hadn't mixed the album yet and we had a 267 00:10:58,464 --> 00:11:00,107 Speaker 2: chat I can't remember. 268 00:11:01,230 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you rang me out of the blue and I was 269 00:11:03,020 --> 00:11:03,943 Speaker 2: like what's going on? 270 00:11:03,963 --> 00:11:05,207 Speaker 2: You're like I've just recorded this thing 271 00:11:05,227 --> 00:11:07,943 Speaker 2: and I'm I'm looking into ways of delivering 272 00:11:08,044 --> 00:11:10,412 Speaker 2: it, because I've had a few people around me 273 00:11:10,452 --> 00:11:12,900 Speaker 2: talk about that this could actually be 274 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,925 Speaker 2: delivered in like an app, skinned in an app 275 00:11:15,985 --> 00:11:16,726 Speaker 2: where it could be. 276 00:11:17,827 --> 00:11:21,593 Speaker 2: People could choose the, the blend of the 277 00:11:21,653 --> 00:11:24,162 Speaker 2: certain elements, yeah, um, and change the 278 00:11:24,223 --> 00:11:26,272 Speaker 2: volume of them or the pitch of them or the 279 00:11:26,292 --> 00:11:28,862 Speaker 2: duration of them, or kind of customize, to 280 00:11:29,042 --> 00:11:31,447 Speaker 2: you know, make it a more practical way of 281 00:11:32,008 --> 00:11:34,013 Speaker 2: using music, as, as we're all starting to 282 00:11:34,033 --> 00:11:36,403 Speaker 2: get aware of, like a lot of apps allow you 283 00:11:36,423 --> 00:11:37,886 Speaker 2: to do some pretty cool stuff. 284 00:11:38,066 --> 00:11:41,292 Speaker 2: Yeah, customize, customizable sound and 285 00:11:41,332 --> 00:11:42,034 Speaker 2: experiences. 286 00:11:42,134 --> 00:11:44,424 Speaker 2: So how did that end up going? 287 00:11:44,505 --> 00:11:45,627 Speaker 2: Like, where did where did you get? 288 00:11:45,667 --> 00:11:45,948 Speaker 2: I mean? 289 00:11:46,128 --> 00:11:47,431 Speaker 1: I actually the. 290 00:11:47,712 --> 00:11:51,086 Speaker 1: The idea was actually birthed by um, a crew 291 00:11:51,126 --> 00:11:53,291 Speaker 1: member who was like you should make this 292 00:11:53,351 --> 00:11:53,852 Speaker 1: into an app. 293 00:11:53,892 --> 00:11:54,982 Speaker 1: That I, you know, I was telling about the 294 00:11:55,022 --> 00:11:56,465 Speaker 1: ambient, you should make it into an app. 295 00:11:56,485 --> 00:11:59,761 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh really, yeah, I mean oh 296 00:11:59,781 --> 00:11:59,982 Speaker 1: yeah, and. 297 00:12:00,063 --> 00:12:04,984 Speaker 1: And then, you know, he planted that seed 298 00:12:05,004 --> 00:12:05,812 Speaker 1: and then I went away and kind of came up 299 00:12:05,832 --> 00:12:06,620 Speaker 1: with this idea of like nothing it's not, 300 00:12:07,323 --> 00:12:08,146 Speaker 1: it's not a new idea. 301 00:12:08,220 --> 00:12:10,609 Speaker 1: But the idea was basically break you know, 302 00:12:10,820 --> 00:12:13,742 Speaker 1: this album up into like four tracks max and 303 00:12:13,802 --> 00:12:15,384 Speaker 1: that you could control those. 304 00:12:15,444 --> 00:12:15,844 Speaker 1: You know the guitars. 305 00:12:15,864 --> 00:12:17,025 Speaker 1: The guitars would be one thing, the 306 00:12:17,085 --> 00:12:19,047 Speaker 1: heartbeat beat guitar would be another 307 00:12:19,087 --> 00:12:23,630 Speaker 1: thing, the I don't know another element, 308 00:12:23,690 --> 00:12:28,314 Speaker 1: the harmonic bed or whatever, could be 309 00:12:28,354 --> 00:12:28,894 Speaker 1: another track. 310 00:12:28,935 --> 00:12:30,276 Speaker 1: And then the idea was you could slow it 311 00:12:30,336 --> 00:12:34,341 Speaker 1: down and you could reverse things and you 312 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,842 Speaker 1: could mute things, because one of my 313 00:12:35,862 --> 00:12:37,764 Speaker 1: favorite things is slow down backwards 314 00:12:37,804 --> 00:12:38,164 Speaker 1: guitar. 315 00:12:38,184 --> 00:12:39,145 Speaker 1: It's by far one of my favorite things is 316 00:12:39,345 --> 00:12:39,946 Speaker 1: slowed down backwards guitar. 317 00:12:39,966 --> 00:12:41,026 Speaker 1: It's like by far one of my favorite things 318 00:12:41,067 --> 00:12:41,467 Speaker 1: in the world. 319 00:12:41,507 --> 00:12:44,850 Speaker 1: So if I could have that with the sun 320 00:12:44,890 --> 00:12:48,533 Speaker 1: reflecting sun reflection on the tree 321 00:12:48,573 --> 00:12:48,994 Speaker 1: canopy. 322 00:12:49,034 --> 00:12:56,941 Speaker 1: That's my form of a good time, and so that 323 00:12:56,961 --> 00:12:57,202 Speaker 1: was the idea. 324 00:12:57,222 --> 00:12:58,145 Speaker 1: It was like creating this mini kind of 325 00:12:58,185 --> 00:13:00,341 Speaker 1: garage band thing that you could, you know, 326 00:13:00,943 --> 00:13:02,127 Speaker 1: and that it would have like a visual 327 00:13:02,468 --> 00:13:03,350 Speaker 1: wallpaper to it. 328 00:13:04,521 --> 00:13:08,490 Speaker 1: And we looked into it and they said, yeah, 329 00:13:08,510 --> 00:13:09,433 Speaker 1: this is a great idea. 330 00:13:10,201 --> 00:13:11,525 Speaker 1: It's probably going to cost, you know, over 331 00:13:11,566 --> 00:13:12,890 Speaker 1: $100,000 to make. 332 00:13:13,020 --> 00:13:19,450 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, cool, well, I wasn't 333 00:13:19,490 --> 00:13:21,053 Speaker 1: looking to make any money really off the 334 00:13:21,134 --> 00:13:22,907 Speaker 1: app, I just wanted the app to be something 335 00:13:24,461 --> 00:13:27,107 Speaker 1: Just help customize and curate their own 336 00:13:27,247 --> 00:13:29,793 Speaker 1: kind of practice, wellness practice. 337 00:13:30,561 --> 00:13:32,589 Speaker 1: And that was inspired kind of by, you know, 338 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,291 Speaker 1: and this is not sponsored by Sleepstream, 339 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:36,827 Speaker 1: but Sleepstream was an app I was using to 340 00:13:36,887 --> 00:13:39,222 Speaker 1: help me sleep or meditate with, and there 341 00:13:39,242 --> 00:13:40,206 Speaker 1: are all these different things, like you 342 00:13:40,246 --> 00:13:41,903 Speaker 1: know, the different backgrounds. 343 00:13:41,923 --> 00:13:43,850 Speaker 1: You could have 10-minute, you know, 344 00:13:45,543 --> 00:13:47,668 Speaker 1: 20-minute sessions from stress to relax, 345 00:13:48,049 --> 00:13:49,191 Speaker 1: stress to energize. 346 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,047 Speaker 1: You had ones for attention stuff, anxiety 347 00:13:53,107 --> 00:13:54,792 Speaker 1: stuff, meditation, sleep. 348 00:13:55,420 --> 00:13:56,624 Speaker 1: You know you could put these different 349 00:13:56,644 --> 00:13:58,630 Speaker 1: backgrounds and, you know, change the 350 00:13:58,690 --> 00:14:01,407 Speaker 1: pitches and it was customized. 351 00:14:01,447 --> 00:14:03,023 Speaker 1: I didn't like that and so I thought, oh, I 352 00:14:03,043 --> 00:14:03,805 Speaker 1: can do that with the music. 353 00:14:03,865 --> 00:14:04,507 Speaker 1: It just couldn't. 354 00:14:05,089 --> 00:14:05,591 Speaker 1: It could happen. 355 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:10,788 Speaker 1: It was just very work intensive and not 356 00:14:10,828 --> 00:14:12,292 Speaker 1: something I really wanted to invest in. 357 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:16,090 Speaker 1: I think if I was maybe a little bit more 358 00:14:16,211 --> 00:14:18,223 Speaker 1: lucrative, I could just put money into 359 00:14:18,263 --> 00:14:20,310 Speaker 1: something that didn't show any kind of 360 00:14:20,370 --> 00:14:23,144 Speaker 1: return and didn't have to worry about being 361 00:14:23,345 --> 00:14:24,307 Speaker 1: at all sustainable. 362 00:14:24,347 --> 00:14:25,250 Speaker 1: Then maybe I would have. 363 00:14:25,330 --> 00:14:29,285 Speaker 1: But, um, so the next idea was cool, let's, 364 00:14:29,646 --> 00:14:32,592 Speaker 1: let's, you know, let's, make a visual 365 00:14:32,632 --> 00:14:36,084 Speaker 1: component to it that we can put on youtube 366 00:14:36,164 --> 00:14:37,889 Speaker 1: that can be kind of played in a playlist, 367 00:14:38,952 --> 00:14:40,577 Speaker 1: either a playlist of the album or 368 00:14:41,078 --> 00:14:43,505 Speaker 1: playlisted to other playlists, you know, 369 00:14:43,525 --> 00:14:44,848 Speaker 1: and also just get it off some of the 370 00:14:44,888 --> 00:14:47,082 Speaker 1: streaming surfaces that just are completely 371 00:14:47,162 --> 00:14:49,329 Speaker 1: reaming the music industry, in my opinion, 372 00:14:50,151 --> 00:14:53,221 Speaker 1: and it's just a huge rot and also, at the 373 00:14:53,241 --> 00:14:54,725 Speaker 1: same time, if we're not on them, then we 374 00:14:54,745 --> 00:14:56,349 Speaker 1: just don't have any access to anybody's 375 00:14:56,409 --> 00:14:58,563 Speaker 1: ears, uh, so, like, get onto youtube where 376 00:14:58,603 --> 00:15:00,266 Speaker 1: you might get paid a little bit more, that 377 00:15:00,287 --> 00:15:02,892 Speaker 1: you actually could make this venture pay 378 00:15:02,933 --> 00:15:04,977 Speaker 1: for itself, you know, but also just be 379 00:15:04,997 --> 00:15:05,158 Speaker 1: there. 380 00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:08,910 Speaker 1: It can get onto screens, uh, and be at 381 00:15:09,010 --> 00:15:11,898 Speaker 1: centers, wellness centers, and just have a 382 00:15:11,959 --> 00:15:12,841 Speaker 1: visual component to it. 383 00:15:13,061 --> 00:15:15,427 Speaker 1: But it's actually spawned from wanting to 384 00:15:15,468 --> 00:15:17,012 Speaker 1: be an app first, because I go, you know, 385 00:15:17,032 --> 00:15:18,863 Speaker 1: when I've gone into places, you know, 386 00:15:18,883 --> 00:15:20,906 Speaker 1: there's often, often this big screen on the, 387 00:15:21,367 --> 00:15:23,631 Speaker 1: on the, on the wall and it's usually 388 00:15:23,691 --> 00:15:25,094 Speaker 1: playing some kind of thing with some 389 00:15:25,214 --> 00:15:28,485 Speaker 1: ambient music youtube playlist and I was 390 00:15:28,505 --> 00:15:31,370 Speaker 1: like I want to get into on that, like I 391 00:15:31,411 --> 00:15:33,274 Speaker 1: want, I want some visuals with it, so 392 00:15:34,141 --> 00:15:34,502 Speaker 1: interesting. 393 00:15:34,582 --> 00:15:36,606 Speaker 1: One is just like incense in slow motion. 394 00:15:38,590 --> 00:15:41,876 Speaker 1: I love looking at slow moving things. 395 00:15:41,936 --> 00:15:43,900 Speaker 1: Yeah, to go with slow moving music. 396 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,145 Speaker 1: Yeah, just to get like sensory, some 397 00:15:46,245 --> 00:15:48,070 Speaker 1: sensory slowing down. 398 00:15:48,170 --> 00:15:48,912 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's. 399 00:15:48,972 --> 00:15:50,903 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of why the incense or 400 00:15:50,943 --> 00:15:53,650 Speaker 1: the smudging or the smoking or or the, the 401 00:15:53,690 --> 00:15:56,122 Speaker 1: heartbeat or the rhythm or the clapping or 402 00:15:56,163 --> 00:16:02,157 Speaker 1: the sticks, they are sensory locators and 403 00:16:02,317 --> 00:16:05,887 Speaker 1: indicators that we've been doing for a very 404 00:16:05,947 --> 00:16:07,966 Speaker 1: long time and they do, like, have this, 405 00:16:08,020 --> 00:16:10,708 Speaker 1: like the somewhere in the primordial, 406 00:16:10,769 --> 00:16:12,846 Speaker 1: reptilian or other parts for our nervous 407 00:16:12,886 --> 00:16:14,132 Speaker 1: system that like, oh, yeah, I know what's 408 00:16:14,152 --> 00:16:14,513 Speaker 1: going on here. 409 00:16:14,580 --> 00:16:17,425 Speaker 1: I know what this is yeah, so yeah, the 410 00:16:17,465 --> 00:16:19,332 Speaker 1: visual component was like something I've 411 00:16:20,416 --> 00:16:21,419 Speaker 1: been looking right into. 412 00:16:21,459 --> 00:16:23,907 Speaker 1: Like you know, put the album on and go to 413 00:16:23,948 --> 00:16:26,034 Speaker 1: like fractal kaleidoscopes. 414 00:16:26,074 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: You know like, okay, that's a little bit 415 00:16:27,980 --> 00:16:29,645 Speaker 1: techno, that one's kind of cool. 416 00:16:29,685 --> 00:16:30,748 Speaker 1: Oh, after a while, when you watch, it 417 00:16:30,768 --> 00:16:32,922 Speaker 1: starts really clocking into the music and 418 00:16:32,962 --> 00:16:34,386 Speaker 1: like going, this is sick. 419 00:16:34,507 --> 00:16:36,171 Speaker 1: Yeah, it will seem super cliched and a 420 00:16:36,191 --> 00:16:37,583 Speaker 1: little bit psychedelic, but actually 421 00:16:38,405 --> 00:16:40,731 Speaker 1: watching, watching some of those ancient 422 00:16:40,851 --> 00:16:45,088 Speaker 1: shapes with music, is extremely therapeutic 423 00:16:45,128 --> 00:16:45,609 Speaker 1: and calming. 424 00:16:45,730 --> 00:17:09,055 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, mm the why and the who, 425 00:17:09,095 --> 00:17:11,717 Speaker 1: for never had like cool, I hope this is. 426 00:17:11,777 --> 00:17:13,580 Speaker 1: Like, I think, with a lot of the things 427 00:17:13,601 --> 00:17:15,646 Speaker 1: you're like I hope this is successful, or 428 00:17:15,686 --> 00:17:18,212 Speaker 1: like I hope it can get played somewhere. 429 00:17:18,232 --> 00:17:19,385 Speaker 1: I mean, or I mean, yeah, I hope this is 430 00:17:19,406 --> 00:17:20,452 Speaker 1: successful, I hope it gets played somewhere 431 00:17:20,472 --> 00:17:20,653 Speaker 1: somewhere. 432 00:17:20,713 --> 00:17:22,041 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I hope this is successful, I 433 00:17:22,081 --> 00:17:23,005 Speaker 1: hope it gets played somewhere. 434 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,172 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I'm not wanting it. 435 00:17:27,260 --> 00:17:28,887 Speaker 1: I know it's not a money-making venture, 436 00:17:29,742 --> 00:17:30,423 Speaker 1: it's you know. 437 00:17:31,286 --> 00:17:34,401 Speaker 1: It's just I just hope for those who want if 438 00:17:34,441 --> 00:17:36,820 Speaker 1: it makes it into their life in some way. 439 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:38,753 Speaker 1: Like the songs that have gotten onto my 440 00:17:38,773 --> 00:17:40,981 Speaker 1: playlist, that have come in from other 441 00:17:41,001 --> 00:17:42,766 Speaker 1: playlists have been recommended or whatever, 442 00:17:42,826 --> 00:17:45,582 Speaker 1: like, um, yeah, I love them and I just hope 443 00:17:45,642 --> 00:17:47,928 Speaker 1: that it could kind of be out there in the 444 00:17:47,948 --> 00:17:48,770 Speaker 1: world for them. 445 00:17:49,051 --> 00:17:51,885 Speaker 1: Um, and I, I kind of trust that, as slow as 446 00:17:51,905 --> 00:17:56,601 Speaker 1: the music is and as slow time as I'm, their 447 00:17:56,661 --> 00:18:01,421 Speaker 1: intention is that, slowly but surely, the 448 00:18:01,441 --> 00:18:04,026 Speaker 1: music will find where it needs to go. 449 00:18:04,046 --> 00:18:07,212 Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of going like further into the 450 00:18:07,252 --> 00:18:10,982 Speaker 1: visual thing, like, uh, yeah, there's. 451 00:18:11,363 --> 00:18:14,509 Speaker 1: You know, one of my favorite things in life, 452 00:18:14,650 --> 00:18:17,001 Speaker 1: like one of my utmost favorite things of 453 00:18:17,241 --> 00:18:18,825 Speaker 1: all time, is watching the sun. 454 00:18:19,506 --> 00:18:23,002 Speaker 1: I grew up in river country in Pinjara, 455 00:18:23,022 --> 00:18:24,405 Speaker 1: western Australia, even though it doesn't 456 00:18:24,445 --> 00:18:29,102 Speaker 1: sound like it, but I'm drawn to rivers and 457 00:18:29,162 --> 00:18:30,912 Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons why this album is 458 00:18:30,932 --> 00:18:31,616 Speaker 1: called Running River. 459 00:18:31,677 --> 00:18:33,623 Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why I've taken the 460 00:18:33,723 --> 00:18:35,948 Speaker 1: album cover is the river I grew up on. 461 00:18:36,610 --> 00:18:38,581 Speaker 1: When my dad moved back to Australia, where 462 00:18:38,621 --> 00:18:41,250 Speaker 1: he's from, after my parents got divorced, 463 00:18:41,741 --> 00:18:42,745 Speaker 1: he was looking for a house for us. 464 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:43,985 Speaker 1: I said find a place with a river in the 465 00:18:44,025 --> 00:18:44,447 Speaker 1: backyard. 466 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:48,029 Speaker 1: Jokingly serious, I was nine, 10 years old. 467 00:18:48,701 --> 00:18:50,305 Speaker 1: He actually found a place in Pinjarra, 468 00:18:50,465 --> 00:18:52,791 Speaker 1: western Australia, on the river, because it 469 00:18:52,832 --> 00:18:54,305 Speaker 1: was the cheapest place actually he could 470 00:18:54,345 --> 00:18:54,928 Speaker 1: afford, you know. 471 00:18:58,367 --> 00:18:59,710 Speaker 1: And I grew up on that river. 472 00:19:00,673 --> 00:19:05,243 Speaker 1: And I grew up on that river and 20 years 473 00:19:05,264 --> 00:19:05,748 Speaker 1: later found out that my 474 00:19:05,768 --> 00:19:06,575 Speaker 1: great-great-grandfather was buried in an 475 00:19:06,595 --> 00:19:07,862 Speaker 1: unmarked grave in that town and that we 476 00:19:07,962 --> 00:19:10,630 Speaker 1: were like salmon swimming back upstream to 477 00:19:10,670 --> 00:19:11,091 Speaker 1: that river. 478 00:19:12,482 --> 00:19:17,232 Speaker 1: And but my favorite thing, having grown up 479 00:19:17,292 --> 00:19:20,067 Speaker 1: on that river and living now on Wujudapbila, 480 00:19:20,107 --> 00:19:23,323 Speaker 1: which is the Margaret River, is the sun 481 00:19:23,383 --> 00:19:25,849 Speaker 1: hitting the water surface and reflecting 482 00:19:26,069 --> 00:19:30,488 Speaker 1: onto trees that are overhanging the billows 483 00:19:30,528 --> 00:19:32,281 Speaker 1: and the water holes in the rivers, and that 484 00:19:32,541 --> 00:19:34,466 Speaker 1: shimmering kind of thing that happens in 485 00:19:34,486 --> 00:19:37,773 Speaker 1: the canopy of trees is my favorite thing. 486 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:38,765 Speaker 1: And so I was like I need, I want and I 487 00:19:38,785 --> 00:19:39,288 Speaker 1: watch it, and it's like I. 488 00:19:39,308 --> 00:19:40,133 Speaker 1: And so I was like I need, I want and I 489 00:19:40,174 --> 00:19:41,841 Speaker 1: watch it, and it's like I'm giving having 490 00:19:41,881 --> 00:19:44,768 Speaker 1: an eye massage, but I'm also like it's 491 00:19:44,808 --> 00:19:47,033 Speaker 1: going into whatever nervous system stuff 492 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:50,406 Speaker 1: and just like it's the absolute opposite 493 00:19:50,486 --> 00:19:51,448 Speaker 1: from doom scrolling. 494 00:19:52,269 --> 00:19:53,752 Speaker 1: It's the opposite for me. 495 00:19:54,393 --> 00:19:57,686 Speaker 1: And so I was like I want this music that, 496 00:19:58,227 --> 00:20:00,091 Speaker 1: hopefully, is the opposite to a jackhammer, 497 00:20:00,412 --> 00:20:05,501 Speaker 1: yeah, to be. 498 00:20:05,521 --> 00:20:06,484 Speaker 1: I want it to be coupled with this visual 499 00:20:06,504 --> 00:20:07,867 Speaker 1: that's the opposite to doom scrolling and 500 00:20:07,928 --> 00:20:13,369 Speaker 1: to ultraviolence and staccato angular 501 00:20:14,212 --> 00:20:14,613 Speaker 1: visuals. 502 00:20:16,785 --> 00:20:18,410 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, we kind of made this kind of 503 00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:20,582 Speaker 1: I wanted every song to have a video, which 504 00:20:20,642 --> 00:20:22,605 Speaker 1: never really happens, but so they could be 505 00:20:22,825 --> 00:20:25,909 Speaker 1: a part of a playlist at a center or a 506 00:20:25,949 --> 00:20:29,193 Speaker 1: practitioner's residence, where they may 507 00:20:29,253 --> 00:20:31,176 Speaker 1: have a screen in the waiting room or 508 00:20:31,216 --> 00:20:34,425 Speaker 1: something, and that you can have the album 509 00:20:34,605 --> 00:20:36,951 Speaker 1: and this visual taking place at the same 510 00:20:36,972 --> 00:20:39,566 Speaker 1: time and so explain all kinds of different 511 00:20:39,686 --> 00:20:44,665 Speaker 1: organic kind of shapes and visuals that can 512 00:20:44,686 --> 00:20:47,413 Speaker 1: be coupled with the music that you can kind 513 00:20:47,453 --> 00:20:50,982 Speaker 1: of stare at and and just especially as I, 514 00:20:51,323 --> 00:20:52,989 Speaker 1: actually has a little bit of a medium hack 515 00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:55,939 Speaker 1: as well, like we're so you know, generally 516 00:20:55,999 --> 00:20:56,641 Speaker 1: speaking, we are. 517 00:20:56,721 --> 00:20:58,825 Speaker 1: So our lives are intertwined with screens 518 00:21:00,068 --> 00:21:03,583 Speaker 1: everywhere and for me it's like the visual 519 00:21:03,623 --> 00:21:05,530 Speaker 1: component is obviously, yeah, yeah, to give 520 00:21:05,550 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: you a visual healing and a sensory healing, 521 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,065 Speaker 1: but it's also like you're going to be 522 00:21:10,105 --> 00:21:10,887 Speaker 1: looking at this puppy. 523 00:21:10,927 --> 00:21:12,171 Speaker 1: Anyways, I bet I want to see, I'll 524 00:21:12,380 --> 00:21:15,448 Speaker 1: infiltrate it, see if I can infiltrate this 525 00:21:15,488 --> 00:21:17,252 Speaker 1: thing with a bit of your love of music and 526 00:21:17,292 --> 00:21:19,389 Speaker 1: your love of looking at things you know, 527 00:21:19,992 --> 00:21:22,061 Speaker 1: and and see if I can couple them together 528 00:21:22,342 --> 00:21:27,030 Speaker 1: and so, yeah, that's kind of how that whole 529 00:21:27,170 --> 00:21:30,115 Speaker 1: visual thing has kind of come about and, um, 530 00:21:31,421 --> 00:21:34,109 Speaker 1: it's been, it's been super fun to watch. 531 00:21:34,771 --> 00:21:36,557 Speaker 1: I think there's one whole video that's just 532 00:21:36,717 --> 00:21:39,264 Speaker 1: like, uh, acrylic and oil paints being 533 00:21:39,284 --> 00:21:41,470 Speaker 1: mixed together slowly and how they respond 534 00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:41,952 Speaker 1: to each other. 535 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,442 Speaker 2: And just you know all kinds of you know 536 00:21:46,482 --> 00:22:09,417 Speaker 2: time it sort of feels to me also, it's like 537 00:22:09,537 --> 00:22:13,100 Speaker 2: a um, when I put on ambient music and I'm 538 00:22:13,140 --> 00:22:15,485 Speaker 2: imagining when I put on this, it's like 539 00:22:15,705 --> 00:22:18,091 Speaker 2: lighting a stick of incense in your house. 540 00:22:18,612 --> 00:22:20,123 Speaker 2: And you know, when you light that stick of 541 00:22:20,184 --> 00:22:23,045 Speaker 2: incense it's like you watch that smoke kind 542 00:22:23,105 --> 00:22:26,095 Speaker 2: of slowly curl up into the air and then 543 00:22:26,195 --> 00:22:30,886 Speaker 2: suddenly it's created a new space from what 544 00:22:30,926 --> 00:22:32,970 Speaker 2: was it was before, which was a house. 545 00:22:33,031 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 2: Suddenly it's like, oh, it feels like it's 546 00:22:34,961 --> 00:22:36,244 Speaker 2: got a smell and there's something 547 00:22:37,446 --> 00:22:39,271 Speaker 2: ceremonial happening or there's something I 548 00:22:39,291 --> 00:22:40,133 Speaker 2: can pause now. 549 00:22:40,213 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: So it's sort of like yeah, it's like 550 00:22:41,380 --> 00:22:43,705 Speaker 2: lighting a musical stick of incense or the 551 00:22:43,745 --> 00:22:46,471 Speaker 2: house, and it just kind of creates this 552 00:22:46,551 --> 00:22:52,254 Speaker 2: like I'm still in my living room, where I'm 553 00:22:52,274 --> 00:22:53,638 Speaker 2: still in my living room where I was just 554 00:22:53,678 --> 00:22:55,462 Speaker 2: having that really stressy phone call with 555 00:22:55,482 --> 00:22:57,606 Speaker 2: my landlord, but now I'm gonna lie a stick 556 00:22:57,646 --> 00:23:01,213 Speaker 2: of incense musically and for the next 30 557 00:23:01,233 --> 00:23:04,226 Speaker 2: minutes yeah it's changed everything yeah, 558 00:23:04,246 --> 00:23:05,350 Speaker 2: yeah, totally yeah. 559 00:23:05,410 --> 00:23:08,379 Speaker 1: Sometimes you need to like spray some 560 00:23:08,439 --> 00:23:10,705 Speaker 1: hardcore air freshener because, yeah, the 561 00:23:10,725 --> 00:23:12,249 Speaker 1: place is reeking, or you need to like you 562 00:23:12,269 --> 00:23:14,161 Speaker 1: know you need sorry, I have to use some 563 00:23:14,222 --> 00:23:16,507 Speaker 1: pretty gnarly something, and every once in 564 00:23:16,527 --> 00:23:18,732 Speaker 1: a while you need to just to have a little, 565 00:23:18,752 --> 00:23:20,992 Speaker 1: a little bit of a little incense. 566 00:23:21,032 --> 00:23:23,124 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, that's right, it's a reminder, 567 00:23:23,264 --> 00:23:25,570 Speaker 2: yeah, the little reminders, and you're 568 00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:27,602 Speaker 2: welcome for me offering you a right, you 569 00:23:27,622 --> 00:23:30,771 Speaker 2: know, heading into a whole new range of 570 00:23:30,951 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: offerings, potentially john butler incense 571 00:23:33,819 --> 00:23:35,060 Speaker 2: yeah, it's funny like what I. 572 00:23:35,881 --> 00:23:38,622 Speaker 1: It's a good segue um away from you know, 573 00:23:39,242 --> 00:23:43,323 Speaker 1: your nonsensical kind of offering you.