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All right, welcome back to this week in privacy, our weekly series where we

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covered the latest updates with what we're working on within the privacy

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Guides community and this week's top stories in the data privacy and cybersecurity space.

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For those who don't know, Privacy Guides is a non-profit which researches and shares

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privacy-related information and facilitates a community on our forum and matrix where

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people can ask questions and get advice about staying private online and preserving their

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digital rights.

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Before we dive into this week's show, here's a rundown of how the show will be laid out.

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We'll start by covering site updates, then we'll discuss top stories in the data privacy

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and cybersecurity space.

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First we'll explore some trending posts on the Privacy Guides Forum and finally we will

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answer viewer questions.

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So if you have a question for us, please leave a comment in the forum thread or on the YouTube

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chat.

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Yeah, so we're working on a smartphone security series.

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We just finished the recording on that and it is now being edited.

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So hopefully that'll be out soon.

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We are also working on a threat modeling series and Lesson 1 should actually be released

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to members here pretty soon.

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I think within the next couple of days, I believe.

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And unfortunately, my notes here say,

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chat control video progress update,

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which Jordan is handling all of that one,

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so I don't really have updates.

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- I think we might be good here.

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I don't know what the issue is

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with my actual normal microphone,

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but it doesn't seem to be picking up anything.

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So really sorry about that, everybody.

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So I guess to get back onto track here,

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the chat control video is kind of in the works. I've been putting together like the basic script

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of things and trying to make sure that the interview is integrated into the video.

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And basically that has been kind of an interesting thing to do because we recently,

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as you might have heard, we did a interview with Patrick Breyer last week and we also want to

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a video that comes out later in December.

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And it's kind of becoming a little bit of a changing story.

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So definitely expect some updates in that respect.

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Basically the threat modeling lesson one

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is gonna be released hopefully after the stream.

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And if you're a member, you'll get access to that.

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If you're a member on the forum, you'll see it.

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And if you're a member on YouTube, you'll also see it.

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So definitely look out for that.

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And I guess I'll kick it back over to Nate

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to cover some of the site updates this week,

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which are very exciting.

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- Cool, yeah.

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Yes, very exciting indeed.

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We have some big news today.

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Today specifically,

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we have just launched a brand new merch store.

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So if you head over to shop.privacyguides.org,

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you will be able to see that.

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And we've already got so, so many things on there.

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We've got, let's see, shirts, posters, stickers, mugs, glasses, super cool stuff.

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We are running a Black Friday sale that coincides with the launch, $10 off of all orders, $75

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or more.

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So really cool stuff.

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And I know this has been a big concern for people is there was no AI used in this just

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for the record.

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Like everything was done by M by hand, very hardworking.

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So yeah.

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And Jordan, I believe, are you able to show some of the designs on screen or?

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Yeah, I'm showing them right now.

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So it's, yeah.

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Sweet.

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Yeah, my YouTube feed just caught up.

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So cool.

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Yeah, you guys probably saw that already by the time this catches up with the delay.

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And let's see, there's...

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There's some small changes are starting to roll out to the site, specifically shorts.

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I've, as I mentioned earlier, I've gone ahead and filmed the smartphone course and that should be coming out soon.

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I've also put out one short already on YouTube and TikTok and stuff, calling for suggestions on short topics, ironically.

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So we'll check the comments on that. I've been keeping an eye on them. And if you guys have any, any real quick questions that you think could be answered in like a few minutes, definitely suggest those.

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and we'll go ahead and make videos about those.

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I made a short about the store,

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which if you guys go to the store,

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then you'll see all of that already,

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but just kind of a short announcing the store

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and telling people what's in there.

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So I hit some kind of button, there we go.

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Yeah, we're gonna have a few more shorts rolling out

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over the week highlighting specific products in the store.

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inspired by a recent news story.

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So those are some things that should be coming pretty soon to keep an eye out for.

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I think that's all I have in terms of site stuff. Jordan, do you have anything that I missed or?

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Not really, but just to say, I think some of the designs on the store look really great.

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So if you haven't checked that out, make sure to check out shop.privacyguides.org.

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and there is currently a Black Friday Cyber Monday deal for $10 off orders $75 or more.

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So if you're interested in picking up some swag and like Nate said, it's all like, you know,

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handmade and a lot of thought and time has gone into making this. So if you really want to support

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us and, you know, have some cool, cool stuff to wear as well, then definitely check that out.

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Yeah, there's one there's one M made called the Defender of Privacy that's really popular. It's

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a really cool look in and another one that I'm probably going to grab a few things of is Article

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12 from the UN Declaration of Human Rights which is where the UN says that privacy is a human right.

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We have a few designs with that printed right on various pieces of merch. So some pretty cool stuff.

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Yeah, that grape hoodie. I think I'm going to be picking that up.

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- The Defender one?

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- Yeah, looks really good.

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- Or the, yeah, yeah, it's a cool design.

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I should probably grab some hoodies,

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it's getting cold here.

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for side updates this week.

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I guess we can kind of move on to the news this week.

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So with that being said, let's dive into the news.

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And the first topic here is kind of this,

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the highlight story this week,

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And it's GraphinoUS now includes the QPR1 update,

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which includes desktop mode and experimental support

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for the Pixel 10 series.

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the QPR1 update was delayed by a couple of months

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because Google took a long time

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to release the source code officially.

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And now GraphinoUS has made an official stable release

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of Android 16 QPR1.

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And the feature that is included that a lot of people

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are very interested about was the desktop mode feature.

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And I can talk a little bit about that

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'cause I did use it, but Nate,

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do you have any thoughts on this?

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- Yeah, I mean, I have a few thoughts.

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This is, like you said, this release

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from what I can tell is largely cosmetic stuff.

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Like there's a whole material,

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I think they call it material U is the,

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what's the word I'm looking for, user interface.

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And it's just, it's a real, it's a whole redesign.

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It's from the ground up.

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It looks very different.

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It was actually funny.

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and they were like, oh, I don't know if I got the update.

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And I'm like, no, you would know.

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Like from what I've heard, you can see the difference.

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But yeah, it's, and like you said,

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this was delayed because Google, for those who don't know,

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the Google a few months ago changed up

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how they're doing things.

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And I think we're going to talk about this a little bit later too,

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but they no longer are releasing the AOSP source code publicly at the same time as everything else.

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And that's kind of slowing things down a lot.

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Custom ROMs are having to kind of reverse engineer everything and kind of figure it out.

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But yeah, the only thing I have to add is I read up online, and I'm not sure how true this is,

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but I read online that on stock Android, this desktop mode that we're going to talk

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about only applies to the eight series and up.

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but I'm not sure if that's true, especially with Graphino S

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because they make so many major changes to the device.

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They may have back ported it to older devices as well.

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you may not see this if you're on an older pixel potentially.

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how the feature exactly works with desktop mode.

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I did do some testing this week

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just to see how that works exactly.

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And unfortunately it's not at a state where you could reliably use this right.

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It's definitely kind of a little bit glitchy I would say, and it's still quite a few bugs that are happening with it.

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And it is operating pretty similar to how you would expect with a desktop operating system.

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But unfortunately, there's still quite a bit of work to be done, I think, because a couple

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of the issues that people brought up on the forum that I saw, which I also encountered,

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was artifacts, glitchiness.

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There's no way to have your pixel device to have the screen turned off while also connected

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to a monitor.

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So basically you always have to have the screen on which is slightly irritating.

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So if you lock the device it actually just turns the display off which is a little bit annoying

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especially when you compare that to like a desktop computer and the other thing is it's only supported

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by a pixel 8 and above. So a lot of people are you know perfectly fine with the pixel 6, pixel 7,

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pixel 5 whatever which version they're whatever version they're I think the pixel 5 isn't supported

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anymore but the Pixel 6 I guess. So it's kind of a tricky situation when it comes to which

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devices are supported and I think that's due to a hardware issue because the USB-C port doesn't

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support display out so if you don't have a Pixel 8 and above then you don't actually get access to

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that feature unfortunately and I think it's not the biggest deal breaker at least at this point

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in time because the way that it works is a little bit clunky I would say and I did actually

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have some screenshots here of what it looks like which I'm not sure if I can open up.

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Looks like I can't unfortunately.

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But I think if you want to give it a shot definitely try it on your device.

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It's still settings behind the developer settings in your phone so if you're wanting to try

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out, you have to enable developer options and scroll all the way down to the bottom and enable it

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and restart your device. So I don't think it's at a point where we can say that it's actually like

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stable. So definitely think about that when you are, when you're thinking about this,

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if you decide to use it as a desktop device. It's also interesting to see that the Pixel 10 series

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is now going to be supported. So if you do have a Pixel 10 device, it could be worth at least doing

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some alpha beta testing if you're interested in testing that out.

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But yeah. Yeah. I was just going to say I also saw that that thread on the oh here it is now I

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see it in the show notes there's a thread on our privacy guides forum where somebody else relays

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their experience trying it out and it sounds like the same thing you said like external keyboard

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and mouse can't move freely between the phone and second screen. They said the phone is stuck in

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and vertical even with auto rotate enabled.

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There were a few times like the keyboard

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just kind of stopped working

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or like switched over to the other screen for some reason.

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Some little things with the monitor

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or excuse me, volume little things there.

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So, and just to be clear, I think as I understand it,

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this is more of like an AOSP issue.

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Like this isn't really like graphene

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didn't do anything wrong.

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They just implemented what was already there.

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So I think Google still just has a lot of work to do

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on this according to my understanding.

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- I did try it out on stock Android as well

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and there's no difference.

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There's no differences,

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even on the latest beta version.

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So it doesn't seem like they've done any more work really

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since the QPR1 update, unfortunately.

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But yeah, how do you feel about jumping on

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to the next story here?

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Yeah, talking about the support for the Pixel 10 series.

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So this is pretty short here,

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but basically Graphene has officially released

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their support for the Google Pixel 10.

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Again, this has been slowed down.

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So well, just to cover all my bases,

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the 10, the 10 Pro, the 10 Pro XL, and the 10 Pro Fold,

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which is pretty cool.

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So again, just with the QPR-1,

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this was slowed down because of the whole AOSP no longer.

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Android Open Source Project.

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Basically, the bare bones of Android

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has historically been open source,

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and then Google and other manufacturers

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will kind of add on to that with their proprietary stuff.

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And historically, AOSP was very open source

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the entire time.

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and other developers to see the code as it was being built,

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and they were able to kind of like get ready for it

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changes. And now Google has changed the way they do things where they only release it periodically,

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I believe, if I remember correctly. And that's, like I said earlier, that's what's slowing down

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development is they have to kind of reverse engineer everything from scratch. So Google is

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trying to get everyone towards this new system called Cuddlefish, which I don't think it's new,

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but they're trying to guide everybody towards Cuddlefish, which is kind of like an Android

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virtual machine, which is great for the software stuff you need to do in Android if you're

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a custom raw maker.

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But there's also a lot of hardware, there's a lot of, what's the word I'm looking for,

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like blobs and there's just a lot of hardware stuff that is not included in Cuddlefish.

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And again, that slows them down trying to figure out how all that stuff works.

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So Graphene has finally been able to get the Pixel 10 up and running.

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graphing on it now, it's worth noting,

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oh, excuse me, I apologize.

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I'm seeing in the article here, it says that this support

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is considered experimental.

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So this is actually in the early stages.

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potentially, I don't want to worry anybody,

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but potentially this could be the last pixel

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that graphing supports.

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I believe you guys talked a few weeks ago

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preloaded with graphing.

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really kind of, they're kind of at a disadvantage here.

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them upfront, who will streamline the process, then they just don't want to deal with Pixel

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anymore, which also has the advantage.

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I've seen a lot of people who don't want to use a custom OS because they don't want

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to give Google their money and buy a Pixel.

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And I completely understand that logic.

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So that would kind of solve a significant number of issues.

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It's still way too early to know for sure

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if that's going to happen, depending on how long these phones

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take to get out.

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just to help ease the transition.

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We'll just have to wait and see.

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now that we've got Pixel 10 support.

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I wonder if there will be a point where Pixel 11 or Pixel 12,

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they've completely dropped support for it, but it would be kind of uncharacteristic, I guess.

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And it's especially interesting to see now that we've got more options possibly coming

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in a couple of years with Graphi NoS's like custom phone that they're working on.

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It'll be very interesting.

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Yeah, we don't know much about that at this time, but we're definitely keeping an eye on it

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because that would be some really interesting stuff to learn more about.

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- So I did have one quick thought actually

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for question for you Jordan, as well as our audience

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is going back to the desktop mode thing,

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there are security advantages to Android

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over traditional desktop.

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It's, I once heard somebody describe it as,

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"We took all of the mistakes we made with regular computers

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and learned how to do it right with phones."

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So what do you think?

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If it was more stable, would you prefer to use

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like a phone that can double as a desktop

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do you prefer like the old-school desktop? Honestly, I think I would actually use like if I didn't

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have to like use like professional applications, I would 100% just use a phone. Because like I think

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the main issue is like with a phone, sometimes there's certain things that you want to do on it

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that like it's kind of irritating to use such a small screen and like you know tap your greasy

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fingers all over the screen. I think it's probably not the greatest way to interface with a website.

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So if you had the ability to connect it to a display, and especially if you had like,

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better like single, like the way that I've got my monitor set up right now is through a single

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USB-C cable, and then the keyboard and mouse are connected to the monitor. So it's like basically as

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you plug in one cable and you're ready to go. So I think if we saw this become a little bit more

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mature possibly, it could be interesting to see how it changes the desktop and mobile landscape.

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And I guess that kind of segues us into the next story here. Why exactly is Google trying to make

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desktop mode on their like pixel devices. And there's currently been some rumors going around

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about this project called Aluminium OS and its Google's attempt at making Android a desktop

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operating system. So here's like the other story that we is sort of somewhat connected to this

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Android desktop story that's been going on again. Here's like it's very early in the story's

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lifecycle here. So just reporting on some of the small things here. Google wants to replace

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Chrome OS with Aluminium OS. It's new Android based operating system for PCs.

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The Android operating system is incredibly versatile beyond smartphones. It officially

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powers tablets, watches, TVs, cars, and XR headsets. However, it has virtually no presence on

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traditional PCs, where Google instead relies on Chrome OS. Despite Google's efforts to challenge

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the dominance of Windows and Mac OS, Chrome OS remains a distant third. To close this gap,

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the company is unifying Chrome OS and Android into a single desktop platform, code named Aluminium OS.

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And that was quoting from the Android Authority article by Michelle Raman. So it's

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another kind of pushed forward on on Google's move away from Chrome OS and to basically bridge

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the gap between desktop and mobile devices. So how do you feel about this, Nate?

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That is a good question. I don't know. I think I personally have not used Chrome OS a whole

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lot mostly because I found it very restrictive. For those who haven't used it, it's,

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I mean, it's great if you're all in Google's ecosystem and all you need to do is surf the

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web and check your email and that kind of stuff. But there's not a lot of room for installing

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applications and programs and stuff. And actually one of my first experiences with Chrome OS was

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my brother had bought a Chromebook for cheap on a sale and he read online that it was possible to

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put video games on it. So he asked me if I could do it. And after some and only certain CPUs can do

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it and he didn't have that one. So, um, yeah, they're very heavily locked down, which is

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what makes them so good for security. But, uh, I think, I, I guess what I'm wondering

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is if they merge these two together and it basically becomes an Android OS on desktop,

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uh, would that open the door for more Android apps to run on this desktop? In which case,

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I think it would become a lot more flexible because I think there are a lot more things

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that are available on Android that may not necessarily be on Chrome OS.

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But yeah, I mean, there's some stuff in the notes here about it.

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It would be cool to have a, because again, Android is a little bit more open source

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or a lot more open source compared to things like Mac and Windows.

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So it'd be a relatively open source alternative to Mac in the sense of their security stuff with

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like verified boot and sandboxing by default, which, you know, we are big Linux fans around here,

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but we do admit there are some security concerns about Linux in its default state,

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and with a few exceptions. So it would be good to have a really secure desktop,

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and maybe if it remains open source in some form, then maybe we could

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see some modifications to that in the future, kind of like how we already do with Kalex and

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Graphene. So yeah, that's a, I guess I'm really interested to see what it's going to look like,

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because this is really, really early on so far

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and we don't know a lot just yet.

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- Do you think also it's a bit of a dangerous direction, right?

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Because we've seen with Google seems to be tightening its grip

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on like, you know, third-party side loading of apps

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and all that sort of stuff.

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I think that could be quite a concern,

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especially if people are using this as their primary device,

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not allowing people to install whatever software

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they actually want on their own device.

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But again, yeah, there is like a lot of security benefits

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of having a unified operating system like that, I guess.

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- Yeah, and I think that's definitely a genuine concern

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with, I mean, not to downplay it or anything,

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but you know, with like Mac and Windows,

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that's one reason a lot of people prefer Linux

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is that you're always at the mercy of those companies.

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And Linux, if they ever do anything unpopular,

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somebody just kind of forks it and makes a new version,

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which that's why we have like 10 million different versions

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of Linux, but it's, yeah.

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I mean, that's definitely a concern

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is that Google would still be controlling this.

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So I don't think it's gonna replace Linux anytime soon.

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And I'm not necessarily saying it should for the record,

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but if anything, I would like to see Linux try to see

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if we could borrow some of those security improvements

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and just adapt them to the Linux distribution.

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- Yeah, it would certainly be interesting.

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- That would be the...

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- Yeah, it would certainly be interesting

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if like Aluminium OS ends up being

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like an open source project, I guess,

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or if it'll be like a sort of,

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'Cause you know how Chrome OS is sort of like a little bit,

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like there are like, I believe some forks of it

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that do somewhat similar to what it, how it works,

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but a lot of features are missing, for example,

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or like a lot of functionality is missing.

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It could be interesting to see if like, you know,

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Aluminium OS ends up being a basis for, you know,

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a Calix OS or a Graphene OS,

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'cause that would definitely be a huge benefit

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for security on those devices.

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But I guess we're probably looking at like an ARM based

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like laptop or something, it kind of brings into question, are they going to be specialized

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devices for this? Is this going to be like something you can just install on any device?

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It's suddenly got a lot of questions surrounding it.

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Yeah, yeah, that was definitely something they mentioned in the article as well. So we know

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so little right now. We don't know are they going to merge this with Chrome OS? Will existing Chrome

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books be supported for a little while? What's the long-term future look like? So yeah, this is

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Keep an eye on.

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So, all right.

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I guess, unless we have something more to add to that story,

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we are gonna go ahead and talk about X,

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AKA Twitter, which pushed out an update

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that has been pretty controversial.

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So the headline here says,

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"X now shows your accounts, country or region."

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So basically long story short,

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X pushed out an update this past week

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it reveals by default what country or region an account is from.

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And I believe originally it, when it was pushed out,

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it was showing where the account was actually created.

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And now they've updated that.

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And instead it just shows like the most recent location.

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So yeah, this is called about this account.

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And you can access it by tapping on the signup date

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on a profile, which reveals the account,

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the location and account is based in,

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among other information.

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government affiliated accounts are exempt from this feature,

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which I guess kind of makes sense.

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If you're, you know, the government of San Francisco,

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I feel pretty confident where you're from,

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especially if you've been verified.

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The other interesting thing,

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so this appears to work from a number of different factors,

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but the main thing seems to be your IP address,

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and X seems to have a list of VPN and proxy IP addresses.

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So it will display a warning if you're using a VPN.

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It won't necessarily say you're using a VPN,

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but it will say this location data may not be accurate.

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So yeah, this is a really complicated story.

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There's a lot of implications here,

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especially around political stuff like fake news

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and how that kind of stuff is being handled.

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But I think we're primarily focusing

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on the privacy stuff here, which is,

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some people said this was doxing and,

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I guess it really depends.

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So Jonah actually wrote the recap article of this,

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the news brief on our website.

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And I think he really said it best.

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He said, in larger, more democratic countries,

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like the US and Canada and stuff like that,

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simply saying that you are from Canada or Australia

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is probably not a huge risk.

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But in smaller countries, like especially in Europe,

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where you can get from one side of the other

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in a couple hours, it may be a little bit more revealing,

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where there's not as much variation of where you could be.

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And some people have noted that this could put people

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at risk if they're in repressive countries.

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I mean, obviously I'm never a fan of revealing

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somebody's information without their consent.

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That's the whole point of privacy.

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But I feel like if you're an activist

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in a repressive country,

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the government probably knows that you're in the country

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or knows that you're not.

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So I'm not sure how big of a threat that is.

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But I mean, again, I don't think it's a good idea

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to reveal stuff without letting people know.

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So yeah, it's a really complicated thing in my opinion.

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I don't know how I feel about it.

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- Yeah, I've looked into this a little bit more

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and I saw some interesting articles here.

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Looks like we didn't include this in the newsletter,

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but I just wanted to talk about it a little bit

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because I thought there was this ABC article that I read

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that I thought was quite interesting.

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There was, I guess, some more complicated repercussions

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because of this update. For example, like there was a couple of journalists, for example,

473
00:28:37,460 --> 00:28:41,980
that were their accounts were tagged as being in countries that they weren't affiliated

474
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,700
with. For example, there was a journalist based in Gaza, who whose account was stated

475
00:28:47,780 --> 00:28:52,720
to be based in Poland, which was then used to basically spread misinformation about the

476
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:59,260
authenticity of that activist and journalist. So I think it we should think about that too.

477
00:29:01,460 --> 00:29:06,580
unmasking someone's IP address location can be in a lot of cases very inaccurate.

478
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:12,380
And especially for activists and journalists, they're probably using some sort of censorship

479
00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:16,340
circumvention technology to actually access these websites.

480
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:23,400
So the account based in location might not actually match that of the actual location

481
00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:24,460
of this person, right?

482
00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:29,719
And in this case, there was one person who said they were based in Gaza and it was saying

483
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:35,200
were based in Poland on their account. So basically that was used to weaponize and discredit their

484
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:42,240
journalism, which I think is not great, especially because they didn't consent to their location

485
00:29:42,340 --> 00:29:47,340
being revealed. And there was also a couple of other accounts which people are concerned about,

486
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:53,820
such as like, I think there was like the National Cyber Security Coordinator was in Australia, was

487
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,839
marked as being located in the United States, and there was a whole bunch of other accounts which

488
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,520
were said to be based in other countries and I think this brings up kind of a problem right is

489
00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:09,160
a lot of people are using VPNs. VPNs are very popular tool to basically stop your internet

490
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:18,820
service provider from recording your activity and this account section is not very accurate

491
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:23,479
especially because so many people are using this sort of tool so to me it just seems like

492
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,020
not a very good idea because it just ends up making more misinformation and not really

493
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:37,480
helping to identify people properly. And I think if we read from what the show notes say here,

494
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:46,340
it was said that this was meant for verifying the authenticity of users, but it doesn't really

495
00:30:46,410 --> 00:30:53,079
seem like it's done that. It seems like it's more being used to spread misinformation and

496
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:59,280
basically show the incorrect information about people. And I think the main issue that we should

497
00:30:59,380 --> 00:31:04,500
take from this is like this is a privacy breach still. Like no one actually accepted this, no one

498
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:11,720
said I'm happy for this to be displayed on my account. So in my view that's technically a

499
00:31:11,740 --> 00:31:19,980
privacy abuse. But I don't know maybe I have more of an extreme aversion to this sort of thing.

500
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,780
No, I think that's fair. I mean, in a technical sense, I think you're absolutely right.

501
00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:32,360
I think one of the, I mean, there's a million ways to define privacy, but I think one of the

502
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,280
most popular ways is that it's having control over what you reveal and who you reveal it to.

503
00:31:37,460 --> 00:31:41,620
And Twitter kind of took that away from a lot of people with this move, regardless of whether

504
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:48,320
or not I put anybody at risk. So that's certainly true. And I also, while you were talking, you were

505
00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:52,119
talking about the cybersecurity administrator in Australia, that occurred to me is this could

506
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,740
could also potentially be, I think a lot of world leaders do tend to publish their itineraries

507
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,380
when they travel, you know, like, oh, I'm going to do this big tour in Asia or whatever and

508
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,640
meet all these heads of state. But that never occurred to me before that that could be, like

509
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,780
it's either way that could cause a lot of issue. If somebody made like a last minute,

510
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:15,260
like secret trip somewhere, then that that could be revealed through this or vice versa.

511
00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:18,639
If they're not somewhere, if they're using a VPN or something, and now it says they're

512
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,080
somewhere they're not and that could cause a scandal of, "Oh, why are you there?" And

513
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:28,620
it's like, "Well, I'm not there." But yeah, it's, um, yeah, I don't know. It's, and I

514
00:32:28,660 --> 00:32:33,920
think the, ostensibly, I keep hearing the story covered in the context of like fake news,

515
00:32:34,060 --> 00:32:38,840
you know, and finding out, like we even mentioned in our article that a lot of websites or a

516
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,519
lot of accounts, that's what I was looking for, a lot of Twitter accounts that, uh, you

517
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,340
you know, are, I'm trying to figure out how to put this nicely.

518
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,640
A lot of Twitter accounts that were having opinions

519
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:54,500
on certain political issues,

520
00:32:54,860 --> 00:32:56,500
now this thing is saying that a lot of those accounts

521
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,640
aren't even in that country.

522
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,940
So like, it's, I guess what I'm getting at is like,

523
00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:03,280
it's really, it's a sticky thing

524
00:33:03,380 --> 00:33:04,780
where you do want that kind of transparency.

525
00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:07,680
You want to know who's influencing public opinions

526
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:09,080
in that way, but at the same time,

527
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,840
like this goes into the classic,

528
00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:12,760
like at what point does somebody deserve privacy?

529
00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:14,540
like public figures still deserve privacy,

530
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,600
but we want governments to have transparency.

531
00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:18,160
And once you start getting down to this level,

532
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,540
there's kind of, I don't know, yeah.

533
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,540
- Yeah. - I'm probably rambling, but.

534
00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:26,420
- It is definitely like, I do agree.

535
00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:28,880
There has to be some level of transparency, I guess.

536
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,220
But also, yeah, it's kind of a, it's a balancing act.

537
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,020
And I think especially in like the US, for example,

538
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:40,019
there's a lot more people who are interested

539
00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:46,560
the transparency aspect, but it's less of a thing outside of the United States, I would say.

540
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,860
Maybe that's just like a different culture, I suppose. But I think we should definitely mention

541
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:02,840
here, you can like hide your location a little bit. It still displays your location, so you still

542
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:10,000
don't get to decide if it's there or not. So you can go to your settings and go to about your

543
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,899
and then you can select to use country instead of region/continent.

544
00:34:15,899 --> 00:34:19,080
You can use region/continent instead of country.

545
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:21,240
That looks like what it, how it would work.

546
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,940
So if you were in the UK, it would say Europe,

547
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,879
and if you're in like North America,

548
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,340
it would just say North America instead of like Canada or wherever.

549
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,760
So that's definitely a little bit better, I suppose.

550
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,919
But still, I don't think it should be published like, you know, publicly.

551
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:45,179
And like you were saying with like, you know, official government people having their location

552
00:34:45,580 --> 00:34:51,980
like released. Same thing for like, you know, domestic violence survivors, like all sorts of

553
00:34:52,060 --> 00:34:57,520
people who are like in a situation where their location being revealed is like, kind of a huge

554
00:34:57,660 --> 00:35:03,380
issue. I know it's only the country, but still like, that would allow somebody who's, you know,

555
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:10,300
a very motivated actor to actually get more information about you and it's not something

556
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:16,740
you can actually control which I think it should be an option to control but then I guess that's

557
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:23,420
just the difference of opinion of the leadership of X I suppose but yeah I don't really have too

558
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:32,520
much more to add to this unless you've got something to add here. No yeah thank you for

559
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,760
mentioning the region, how to change your region, I completely forgot to bring that up.

560
00:35:38,580 --> 00:35:41,460
It's definitely always good to have actionable stuff whenever we can.

561
00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:54,220
That's really all I got. That's something to be aware of out there. If you are not happy about

562
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,560
your location being shown, go ahead and change that. Try to reduce the amount of data that you're

563
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:04,400
sharing. Definitely. And I guess moving on to the next story here, we've got a huge update,

564
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:12,080
I guess, from Google, which allowed for QuickShare to be compatible with AirDrop without Apple's help.

565
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:20,060
So basically, they were able to, if you don't know, QuickShare is basically Android or at least

566
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:28,740
Google Android's version of AirDrop basically and it was originally only available on Android

567
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:35,080
devices but now it's actually cross compatible with iOS. So what that means is if you have a

568
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:43,680
Pixel 10 series device, so Pixel 10, Pixel 10 Pro, Pixel 10 Pro XL and Pixel 10 Pro Fold,

569
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,940
you can now actually AirDrop to an iPhone and it's not only one direction either,

570
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,980
it's both directions. You can send files from an iPhone to a pixel and pixel to an iPhone,

571
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:02,720
which is very, very cool. And Google says that Apple was not involved in the update. And Google

572
00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:08,960
said that it built the feature independently to address interoperability issues. And they also

573
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,280
said that they reverse engineered airdrops technology to make it work. And they also said

574
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,200
that they went through a thorough third party security

575
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,140
audit to make sure that the privacy and security of the feature

576
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:23,460
would also meet their standards.

577
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,480
So I think this is quite interesting, right?

578
00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:29,740
Because there's been, in the last couple of years,

579
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,560
we've seen the European Digital Market Act,

580
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:35,800
where basically there's been quite a lot of pressure

581
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,120
from Europe to basically open up a lot of these closed systems,

582
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,400
which, let's all be honest, it's arbitrarily there

583
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,300
to keep you locked into iPhone usage, right?

584
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,800
It's not there because, you know,

585
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,200
there's some technical like limitation between the devices.

586
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,280
It's only there because Apple wants it to be

587
00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:55,440
or Google wants it to be.

588
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,300
So this is like, I guess,

589
00:37:58,780 --> 00:38:01,780
I hope that we'll see more interoperability between devices

590
00:38:01,940 --> 00:38:04,560
because this is sort of anti-consumer behavior

591
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,780
from Apple and from Google.

592
00:38:08,610 --> 00:38:11,100
So it's interesting to see Google pushing so hard for this.

593
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,880
Yeah, I don't really have any strong opinions on this story.

594
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,280
I'm always a fan of interoperability.

595
00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:22,820
So I think that's really cool that Google did this.

596
00:38:23,420 --> 00:38:26,080
Like you said, Apple 99% of the time

597
00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:28,780
when they're like opening the app store, for example,

598
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,160
and allowing side loading, they're like,

599
00:38:30,220 --> 00:38:31,820
no, we can't do that because security,

600
00:38:31,940 --> 00:38:35,140
and it's like, okay, security is like 0.1%

601
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,400
of the reason you care about this.

602
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:38,620
It's really, they just wanna keep people in their ecosystem,

603
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,940
I think so, I totally agree with you there.

604
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,280
There was really no reason they couldn't have opened this up earlier and made this a thing

605
00:38:44,770 --> 00:38:48,660
other than to try and nudge people towards buying an iPhone next time they upgrade.

606
00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:51,840
So I really hope Apple doesn't try to block this.

607
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,620
The article did point out when they talked about Apple retaliating,

608
00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:58,460
they might kind of update AirDrop and make it stop working with this.

609
00:38:58,490 --> 00:38:59,820
And I really hope they don't do that.

610
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,800
Although truthfully, I wouldn't be surprised if they do.

611
00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:08,420
But yeah, that's really my main and only thought is I always am a fan of interoperability.

612
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:10,720
So I hope this will continue to be around.

613
00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:16,520
Yeah, I honestly hope it does because we've seen more and more things that are working

614
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:22,380
across devices now. We've seen RCS messaging, we've seen unknown tracker alerts, which I

615
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,860
don't know if you remember, but there was a whole issue with basically Apple's air tags

616
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:33,760
where they would show an alert if they were being detected on your person only if you

617
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,200
had an iPhone. So basically, if you had an Android, you wouldn't know that you're being

618
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:43,520
tracked by an Apple Air tag. So basically Apple and Google work together on a standard to make that

619
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,340
so that you would know if there's an unknown tracker attached to your person.

620
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:54,380
So I hope that like Apple doesn't actually pull this feature back because like I think a lot of

621
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,840
reasons why people stay within the Apple ecosystem or whichever ecosystem they're part of is because

622
00:39:59,890 --> 00:40:05,240
of these closed features where like oh I can't get that file to my other device easily and I think

623
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:11,580
it's specifically kind of an issue with especially with Android and Apple devices. For instance,

624
00:40:11,650 --> 00:40:18,420
like if you try plugging an Android device into a MacBook, nothing happens. It doesn't even show up

625
00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:25,780
as a file device on it. So it's like, it's very irritating that that Apple is kind of clearly

626
00:40:26,140 --> 00:40:31,320
trying to make it like really hard for people to switch to these devices. And at least now that

627
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,780
that we've got QuickShare available, like, you know, if you've got a file you want to

628
00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:40,440
get to your Mac, you can just use AirDrop. So I think it's definitely quite a huge step

629
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:48,040
here. And I think another thing that we should think about here is nearby Share or like QuickShare

630
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:53,320
is currently, I think, only available like through Google Play Services. So that kind

631
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,600
of stinks. So if you're using like GraphianOS with Google Play Services, I'm not entirely

632
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,300
sure if that works. I've never tried it. It could be interesting to see if anyone's tried that actually.

633
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,800
So that's kind of another limitation. But I know there is another option that I've seen

634
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:13,360
like recommended quite a bit. I'm not sure if we recommend it specifically here at PrivacyGuides, but

635
00:41:14,740 --> 00:41:19,480
this is an app that someone told me about. It's called LocalSend. And I've been using that quite

636
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,320
a lot to like share between all sorts of like multi-platform devices. So even if you don't have

637
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:30,700
a pixel 10. Definitely check out local send if you're in a situation like that which for some

638
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,820
reason Apple doesn't allow you to connect an Android device to a Mac. I don't know why

639
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,360
you need a third party app for that apparently. But yeah I agree with what you said about you know

640
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:48,080
the Apple just being stubborn. They're just trying to make it irritating and as drawn out as possible

641
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,980
but it's interesting to see that they've kind of challenged things here.

642
00:41:55,340 --> 00:41:59,460
I know it's off topic, but I was checking to see if we do recommend local send and

643
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:07,140
it looks like there was a discussion about it on the privacy guides forum as recently as July,

644
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:14,200
but it doesn't look like, it doesn't look like there was an official decision, but I don't think

645
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:14,860
I think we've added it.

646
00:42:16,999 --> 00:42:17,720
So interesting.

647
00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:22,020
I would have to read through that a little closer

648
00:42:22,030 --> 00:42:22,640
at a later time.

649
00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:29,340
But all right, that'll take us into our final story, which

650
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:32,480
is about Signal rolling out secure backups for iOS.

651
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:33,780
And this is now in beta.

652
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,700
So for those who remember, I think it was a few months ago,

653
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,100
maybe a few weeks ago.

654
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:41,920
Sense of Time is all messed up.

655
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,980
But Signal rolled out end-to-end encrypted backups

656
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:46,340
for Android users.

657
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,120
And they said that they wanted to go ahead

658
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,220
and bring this to iOS and desktop in the near future,

659
00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:52,720
and now iOS is here.

660
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,660
So for those who missed the one about Android,

661
00:42:55,820 --> 00:42:58,340
this is entirely end-to-end encrypted, zero knowledge.

662
00:42:58,540 --> 00:42:59,840
Signal can never see your backups.

663
00:43:00,980 --> 00:43:03,520
It is free for 45 days after,

664
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:06,700
if you want to back up more than 45 days worth of content,

665
00:43:07,540 --> 00:43:08,660
they do offer a paid tier,

666
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,340
which is an interesting development.

667
00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:17,620
And disappearing messages, that's remember,

668
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:20,560
disappearing messages are not included in the backup at all.

669
00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:21,820
So if you're worried about like,

670
00:43:21,850 --> 00:43:23,120
oh, I'm sending disappearing messages,

671
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,380
I don't want those stored in the cloud,

672
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,260
they're never there in the first place.

673
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:28,100
Backups are done daily, I believe.

674
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:32,320
So yeah, and that's kind of the main story

675
00:43:32,330 --> 00:43:33,880
is now this is coming to iOS.

676
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,420
Again, this feature is in beta,

677
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,140
but you can go ahead and update your client,

678
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:38,600
you can go ahead and find it in the settings.

679
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:42,480
There is actually a page in signals documentation now

680
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,880
called backup and restore messages.

681
00:43:44,859 --> 00:43:45,860
So let's see here.

682
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:49,100
And it does tell you how to do it on Android iOS.

683
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,200
Oh, and I guess it must be out on desktop

684
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:52,980
'cause I see a link here for it.

685
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,840
Well, this is transferring devices.

686
00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:58,420
Yeah, okay, so this is for desktop,

687
00:43:58,580 --> 00:43:59,540
it's still just transferring,

688
00:43:59,780 --> 00:44:02,520
but it does tell you how to back up on Android and iOS.

689
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:05,000
It tells you the limitations,

690
00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:05,900
They're not supported.

691
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,500
If you do not have your device or lost your phone, you wiped your clear,

692
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,140
your phone, you uninstalled your phone, things like that.

693
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,840
So, um, yeah, let me see if I missed anything here.

694
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:21,140
Um, yeah, no, that's kind of all I see.

695
00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:22,400
Um, personally, I think this is cool.

696
00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:23,420
This is always opt in.

697
00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:25,980
Like if you don't want this, you don't have to sign up for it.

698
00:44:26,340 --> 00:44:28,080
You have to go and enable it if you do want it.

699
00:44:28,580 --> 00:44:31,160
And, uh, if you don't want it, then you don't turn it on.

700
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,440
It's, it's really that simple.

701
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:37,000
Um, I personally, I think this is good because I know a lot of, uh,

702
00:44:37,979 --> 00:44:41,160
mainstream users who use signal, like friends and family of mine who are not

703
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,580
necessarily super tech savvy.

704
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,480
And to be honest, they're not even really concerned about their privacy.

705
00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:47,700
They're just using signal because I'm kind of a stickler about it.

706
00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:51,820
And, uh, they would love to have like that message history that they can transfer

707
00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:52,600
between devices.

708
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,180
And I think it's really cool that signal gives people that option now.

709
00:44:55,999 --> 00:44:58,100
So those are kind of my thoughts on that.

710
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,460
I actually think you, you brought up a really interesting point, right?

711
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:09,500
So it's said in the article, right, that your disappearing messages won't actually be backed up.

712
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:17,620
So that's kind of interesting, right? I don't know if this is just me, but I enable that on every single chat that I have on my onSignal.

713
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:22,360
So I kind of wonder what exactly would get backed up? I guess not much.

714
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:28,640
Um, yeah, I guess in your case, not much at all. I'm the same way by default. I enable

715
00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:34,180
disappearing messages, but I do have a few like, um, like my sister has asked me to turn it off.

716
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:40,080
My mom asked me to turn it off when she was around. Um, I think I might have one or two other chats,

717
00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:44,180
but yeah, so those would get backed up. My, my backups would also be pretty small.

718
00:45:45,620 --> 00:45:50,799
Yeah, I think that's like a slight, I don't know, issue, I would suppose, like, because

719
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,980
maybe they should add an option to maybe the chance to have that backed up. I'm not sure,

720
00:45:56,100 --> 00:46:03,520
maybe there's security concerns with that aspect or something like that. I'm not entirely sure, but

721
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:09,460
I think one thing that wasn't mentioned in this article that I thought was very, very good about

722
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:16,479
this is if you've ever tried switching between platforms, for example, if you've had an iPhone

723
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:22,460
and you wanted to switch to Android. Previously, you had to start all over again. You had no

724
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,620
message history at all. You'd have to start as a brand new account. You'd have to get your

725
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:34,240
not a brand new account, but your safety number would change, and all your previous messages

726
00:46:34,380 --> 00:46:40,319
wouldn't be transferred. But with this new backup feature on iOS, now if you switch from an iPhone

727
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:47,240
to Android actually gives you the option to restore from a cloud backup. So you can actually

728
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,300
keep your messages going across different platforms. So that was one really interesting

729
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:58,060
thing I saw because I was testing this out and to see how it worked. So now if you do switch from

730
00:46:58,380 --> 00:47:04,460
iOS to Android or Android to iOS, you can still keep all your chats, well, I guess provided that

731
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,680
they're not disappearing messages. I think we need to do a bit more testing on that because I

732
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,880
didn't really want to do that on my main signal account.

733
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:16,340
But I think, yeah, it's it's another interesting thing that's

734
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,740
that signals doing personally.

735
00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:21,160
I don't really I don't want this.

736
00:47:21,350 --> 00:47:22,220
I'm not going to use this.

737
00:47:22,460 --> 00:47:25,400
But I think for some people, I know there's people that like

738
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,740
are like very attached to their like WhatsApp chats and like they back

739
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,800
everything up and they don't want to lose anything.

740
00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:35,620
So I think this is kind of, you know, appealing to those people.

741
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:39,660
Well, less than, you know, asked where we're basically putting four weeks

742
00:47:39,660 --> 00:47:41,320
appearing messages on every single chat,

743
00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:44,080
'cause we're privacy-orientated.

744
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,540
But I think it's good to see that Signal

745
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:51,160
is kind of matching the capabilities of WhatsApp

746
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,640
and other chat apps to offer this feature.

747
00:47:53,940 --> 00:47:57,020
So definitely big props to Signal for rolling that out.

748
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,160
It's certainly been out for a little while,

749
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,580
because I did notice it even before Signal officially

750
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,620
announced it, but it's very--

751
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:07,100
- On iOS?

752
00:48:07,660 --> 00:48:08,460
- Yeah, on iOS, yeah.

753
00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:09,740
I've seen it in the settings for a while now.

754
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:10,400
- Oh, okay.

755
00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:12,020
Oh, nice.

756
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,400
- Yeah, real quick, I'm actually,

757
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,080
I'm glad you mentioned WhatsApp

758
00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:18,740
'cause one of our other staff members left this

759
00:48:18,750 --> 00:48:21,520
in the show notes to mention the story of Paul Manafort

760
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:24,740
who was a political consultant for Trump.

761
00:48:26,179 --> 00:48:29,960
And he got arrested because he was,

762
00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:33,500
I believe he was tried for this,

763
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,160
but just in case I'll say allegedly,

764
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:39,660
He was allegedly trying to, what do they call it?

765
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:40,420
Witness tampering?

766
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,000
Like he was trying to contact witnesses

767
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:45,460
in this upcoming trial and convince them to say

768
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:46,660
or not say certain things.

769
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,020
And one of the pieces of evidence that the FBI found

770
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,440
in this case was his WhatsApp backups were going to iCloud

771
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:55,640
and he didn't have advanced data protection enabled

772
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:57,640
or maybe it didn't exist at the time

773
00:48:57,740 --> 00:48:58,800
'cause the story's from 2018.

774
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:02,580
But WhatsApp does their backups in plain text apparently.

775
00:49:03,260 --> 00:49:04,720
And because it was in the iCloud,

776
00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:08,200
the police were able to get a search warrant and pull those messages from my cloud.

777
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,040
And the content was right there.

778
00:49:10,860 --> 00:49:14,520
And, um, this is a little off topic, but also one of the people that he

779
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,040
messaged went to the police and showed the messages and was like, Hey,

780
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,940
I don't think he's allowed to like message me like this.

781
00:49:19,460 --> 00:49:24,100
So, uh, that is kind of an important thing to remember, even with signal, um,

782
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,260
cause I do remember that being a story a while back is, uh, the FBI, I think

783
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:33,580
in a separate case, the FBI had, uh, gotten a hold of somebody's phone, I think

784
00:49:33,580 --> 00:49:34,700
with like a warrant or something,

785
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:37,700
and they were able to pull the signal messages off the phone.

786
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,280
And there was a lot of, you know,

787
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,700
fun conspiracy theories going around that,

788
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,360
oh, they, they crack signal, they crack signal.

789
00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:45,980
No, they had his unlocked phone,

790
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,000
and they just opened signal and looked at the messages.

791
00:49:49,619 --> 00:49:51,240
And, you know, but it's the same thing here.

792
00:49:51,250 --> 00:49:54,780
It's like, this is one thing that makes signal better

793
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:56,620
than WhatsApp, among many things in my opinion,

794
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,980
but is these encrypted backups

795
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:01,660
because now they're never in plain text.

796
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:03,500
So it's safe to put them in the cloud,

797
00:50:03,620 --> 00:50:05,440
whether that's signals cloud or somebody else's cloud.

798
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,140
It's, I mean, as safe as it is to put anything in the cloud,

799
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:09,980
it's reasonably safe to do that

800
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:10,980
because now they're encrypted.

801
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:12,900
And even if they were to be subpoenaed or something,

802
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,340
you can't, you know, you can't just like open them up

803
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,720
and read them the way you could with WhatsApp.

804
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:18,460
So.

805
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:21,880
- Yes, it's end to end encrypted.

806
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,800
But if one of the ends is not secure,

807
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:27,780
then you're in a bit of an issue there.

808
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,300
I think it's also interesting to say like

809
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:34,220
the recovery, it comes with a recovery key.

810
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,520
So definitely be very careful what you do

811
00:50:36,580 --> 00:50:39,700
with the recovery key because I'm sure there might be

812
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:41,740
some way to extract the backup information

813
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,320
if you have that recovery key.

814
00:50:43,860 --> 00:50:46,660
So it does ask you to write it down during the setup

815
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,060
of the backup process.

816
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,700
So definitely be careful where you put that

817
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,960
because yeah, that might allow someone to like

818
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,300
get access to information.

819
00:50:57,700 --> 00:51:00,500
But yeah, it's definitely great that like signals

820
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:03,840
Once again, leading on privacy and security of a WhatsApp.

821
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,160
It's great, yeah.

822
00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:09,200
I'm really excited about this new feature.

823
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:12,140
- Yep.

824
00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:18,280
I think that's all we had for stories, I believe.

825
00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:25,100
I'll go ahead and lead us into the forum updates as well.

826
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,720
So our forums are very, very active

827
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,280
as I've been learning since I've been here.

828
00:51:29,740 --> 00:51:31,640
There's always something new going on, some new discussion.

829
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,980
But we're going to highlight a few things here.

830
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,560
For one, we have some Black Friday updates,

831
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,200
if I can get my mouse to play nicely.

832
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,000
So we have had, I believe it's a pinned topic actually,

833
00:51:44,140 --> 00:51:46,280
over on the Privacy Guides forum, which for those who don't know,

834
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,100
is discuss.privacyguides.net.

835
00:51:49,460 --> 00:51:53,100
We've had a pinned thread about Black Friday discounts.

836
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,980
So we're just trying to make it easy for people

837
00:51:56,980 --> 00:52:00,420
to find a list of those discounts if you're interested.

838
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,040
So of course we will mention again,

839
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,920
the shop, privacyguides, shop.privacyguides.org,

840
00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:09,200
that launched today and we do have $10 off of orders

841
00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:10,500
that are $75 or more.

842
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,720
So that is technically a Black Friday sale.

843
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,200
Yubikey is offering 30% off on their Yubikey 5 series.

844
00:52:20,340 --> 00:52:24,000
Proton, Tuda, Koofer, Start Mail and Mailbox

845
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,340
are all email and cloud storage providers

846
00:52:26,340 --> 00:52:31,880
offering discounts, iStorage and GLINET are hardware devices.

847
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,060
They're offering discounts.

848
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:36,820
Newshosting.com is a Usenet service

849
00:52:37,060 --> 00:52:40,200
that is offering $25 off for the first year

850
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,420
and Windscribe is also running a discount.

851
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,080
So, checking through the comments here,

852
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,600
but I don't think anybody added any more

853
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,620
that haven't been merged into that main post.

854
00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:56,520
- Yeah, it looks like that's everything

855
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,860
on the Black Friday side of things.

856
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,020
I guess we can kind of plug it again,

857
00:53:01,140 --> 00:53:03,080
but we do have a Black Friday sale on our shop.

858
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,420
So if you wanna grab something, definitely check that out.

859
00:53:08,820 --> 00:53:11,200
I guess the other forum update that we have here

860
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,500
is MOLVAD browser has launched a call for testers

861
00:53:15,620 --> 00:53:16,200
on our forum.

862
00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:19,540
So MOLVAD browser and their partner organization,

863
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,840
the Tor Project are looking for people

864
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,600
to try out a new feature.

865
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:27,860
And they're grateful if someone was willing to participate,

866
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,740
basically in a one hour study,

867
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,260
and they're gonna do it over Signal Messenger.

868
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,280
And basically the sessions will take place

869
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,920
over December 2nd to December 4th,

870
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,140
and they'll give a $50 token as a token of their thanks.

871
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:45,180
So you can check out that post on the forum.

872
00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:46,660
I'm not gonna show it on screen,

873
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,080
just for like privacy's sake, but you can check that out.

874
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,840
You'll feel definitely fine if you check that out.

875
00:53:53,380 --> 00:53:58,380
And yeah, so if you do that, then you should get a message

876
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,740
from Alicia to participate.

877
00:54:01,980 --> 00:54:05,840
So yeah, I think I might have a little bit of insight

878
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,420
and knowledge on what this feature might be.

879
00:54:07,580 --> 00:54:09,960
I'm not gonna say anything, but I think, yeah,

880
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:12,000
definitely check this out because I think there's

881
00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:16,180
some very interesting work that Mollvatt is doing

882
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,160
and the tour project together on this browser project.

883
00:54:19,820 --> 00:54:23,000
So definitely stay tuned to see what that looks like.

884
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:27,560
- Yeah, I love the Mollvared browser.

885
00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:30,240
- Yeah, definitely one of my faves.

886
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:34,380
- All right.

887
00:54:35,580 --> 00:54:37,980
Do you want to kick off the listener questions

888
00:54:38,180 --> 00:54:39,080
or would you like me to do that?

889
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,480
- Yeah, you can kick off listening questions here, definitely.

890
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,300
- All right, so we're going to start

891
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:50,420
by taking questions from forum members,

892
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:53,020
again over at discuss.privacyguides.net.

893
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,940
I think, let's see here.

894
00:55:00,460 --> 00:55:03,540
We're gonna go ahead and start with questions from JG,

895
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,360
who is one of our members.

896
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,700
And I think I'll start with this one.

897
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,300
You asked a question a few days ago on the forum,

898
00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:12,920
but I guess you didn't get any responses on it.

899
00:55:13,580 --> 00:55:15,140
So you asked it again here on this one.

900
00:55:15,220 --> 00:55:17,340
You said, "You're trying to translate PDF documents

901
00:55:17,340 --> 00:55:21,000
to English and you say you're aware of Deeple, which for those who don't know, it's what

902
00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:25,860
is it, Deeple.com/translate. It's like an alternative to Google Translate. You said

903
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,980
you were hoping to find another option that works well to translate PDFs and other docs

904
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:37,540
to English, but in a privacy respecting way and preferably doesn't cost too much. I don't

905
00:55:37,540 --> 00:55:40,840
have a better answer because the only thing that comes to mind for me is maybe like an

906
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:44,900
LLM, which I know those are like come with a lot of privacy concerns of their own and

907
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:51,340
also a lot of accuracy concerns. I did actually have the idea a while back to just out of

908
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:58,580
curiosity to see how well they could do it translating like my own website. And I translated

909
00:55:58,740 --> 00:56:02,680
one page and sent it to a native speaker of that language. And they were like, they were

910
00:56:02,740 --> 00:56:06,740
like, it's like 90% of the way there, but it's missing a lot of like cultural context

911
00:56:06,810 --> 00:56:10,860
and like some of the words are too literal in their translation. It's like, I wouldn't

912
00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:14,880
publish this without having somebody proofread it. So yeah,

913
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,740
depending on what you're trying to use, that's probably not

914
00:56:17,980 --> 00:56:20,060
deep. It's probably the best you're going to get from me as far

915
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,240
as I know. I don't know if you have any other

916
00:56:23,820 --> 00:56:25,100
insight on translation stuff.

917
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,120
Yeah, I think it really depends what you're using it for.

918
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:31,420
I like if you're just using it to just get an idea about what

919
00:56:31,540 --> 00:56:35,940
the PDF is for, then I would say it's probably fine. But yeah,

920
00:56:35,970 --> 00:56:38,540
I don't I don't really have any suggestions. I know there's

921
00:56:38,540 --> 00:56:45,100
Libre translate but that's probably, I don't believe that can do like PDFs. So that might not

922
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:51,140
be what you're looking for but yeah I would just be careful uploading that to Debelt because they

923
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,700
I'm not sure what their privacy policy is like and I'm not sure how long they hold on to that.

924
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:04,780
But in a lot of cases it might be your only option I'm not sure but yeah I would definitely

925
00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:08,600
check out our like we have a section on our website for that so definitely check that out

926
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:14,420
and see if any of the tools that are working for you that could work for you. But yeah I don't

927
00:57:14,450 --> 00:57:18,940
really have too much to add. Well look at that you're right there is a whole section on the website

928
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:24,760
for language tools. There's grammar and spelling there's translation tools yeah Libre translate it

929
00:57:24,820 --> 00:57:30,040
looks is free and open source machine machine translation web interface and API server.

930
00:57:30,940 --> 00:57:34,520
You can use it through a number of services, some that offer Tor or IdaP.

931
00:57:36,140 --> 00:57:39,820
You can also self-host it. Wow, that's pretty cool.

932
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,480
Yeah, it kind of depends on your threat model, I guess. You'd probably want to self-host it,

933
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:49,760
but then that's kind of a little bit of a pain every time you want to translate something.

934
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:56,460
But yeah, there's public versions of it that are available. So definitely look into that.

935
00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:01,140
There's definitely some decent options, but yeah.

936
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:04,240
Cool.

937
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,360
All right. I guess I'll let you pick the next question.

938
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:19,520
I guess we try to prioritize our members here. So JG, thanks so much for being a member.

939
00:58:19,820 --> 00:58:27,220
So they've got a question about if one of the, so question slash request, considering you're

940
00:58:27,340 --> 00:58:31,840
talking about a new feature, it would be, it would behoove to at least one of the presenters,

941
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,940
having tried the Graphino S desktop mode to then talk about what it is, pros, cons, etc.

942
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:42,120
The feature that hasn't been a preview of it anywhere about this niche feature, which is only

943
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:47,900
going to be popular among privacy enthusiasts. So I hope somebody tries it before talking about it

944
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:50,340
so I can better understand how it works.

945
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:56,980
So I did actually have some screenshots and videos of it,

946
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:01,380
which I can try and pull up.

947
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,480
All right, I'll try and pull it up,

948
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,940
but I'll just hand it back to Nate so I can do that.

949
00:59:07,420 --> 00:59:09,040
But yeah, I'll just be back in a second,

950
00:59:09,070 --> 00:59:10,140
and I'll see if I can get it open.

951
00:59:11,950 --> 00:59:14,060
- Yeah, I was gonna say when you mentioned playing around

952
00:59:14,060 --> 00:59:15,920
with the signal backups, I really appreciate you

953
00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:17,420
being our unofficial guinea pig.

954
00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:27,120
sometimes. Yeah, we were to step ahead of you on that one. Jordan did play around with that,

955
00:59:27,150 --> 00:59:32,220
like they said. It's just, I know they have a, sounds like a complicated setup over there to

956
00:59:32,260 --> 00:59:37,780
screen share and everything. So, and you know, sometimes we learn at the last minute, the things

957
00:59:37,940 --> 00:59:43,980
don't like to work, but anyways, I'll move on to the question while Jordan's seeing if they can

958
00:59:43,980 --> 00:59:44,920
and pull that up on screen.

959
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:46,860
You mentioned last week that a video or two

960
00:59:46,940 --> 00:59:48,220
would be releasing early this week.

961
00:59:49,380 --> 00:59:50,980
We gave that update at the beginning of the show.

962
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,560
We do have the smartphone courses now

963
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,620
in the editing phase and the threat modeling video

964
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,240
should be out shortly after this live stream.

965
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:05,220
And then you had a suggestion,

966
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,000
please have a new section each week to cover new app updates

967
01:00:08,140 --> 01:00:10,220
such as releases, things to know about new products.

968
01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:12,980
For example, Kagi releasing their Orion browser

969
01:00:12,980 --> 01:00:15,020
in the fully stable 1.0, general reminders

970
01:00:15,070 --> 01:00:15,940
to update all your apps.

971
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,900
I, ideologically, I personally am not opposed to that,

972
01:00:23,020 --> 01:00:26,300
but it would get pretty big pretty fast

973
01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:28,720
'cause there's some weeks where a lot of projects

974
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:33,480
release a lot of updates and I know,

975
01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:37,440
I think we try to cover, I would assume we try to cover

976
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,400
any like major updates like signal announcing,

977
01:00:40,020 --> 01:00:42,920
you know, their backups and stuff like that,

978
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:45,380
but I'm not sure we could realistically cover

979
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:46,460
every single update.

980
01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:49,540
I think that might get to be a lot.

981
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:52,680
But yeah, you're not wrong.

982
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,600
It is never a bad idea to go through

983
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,360
and just check your devices, check your app stores,

984
01:00:57,580 --> 01:00:59,120
check your programs and make sure they're updated.

985
01:01:00,980 --> 01:01:03,680
- All right, so I managed to get the screen recording

986
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:04,580
to be displayed.

987
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,140
So you should be able to see it on screen now.

988
01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:08,380
Just a little quick demo.

989
01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:11,080
So I tried going to the PrivacyGuides website.

990
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,480
You can see I've got a mouse and keyboard connected.

991
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,700
It looks pretty much like a desktop computer, I would say.

992
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,540
It looks kind of like sort of Linux-y.

993
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:21,940
There's tiling and stuff as well.

994
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:24,420
So if you like drag the windows to each side of the window

995
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,040
of the display, it can like, you know, stick to the sides.

996
01:01:28,660 --> 01:01:30,240
So it's definitely interesting that that,

997
01:01:31,220 --> 01:01:32,700
they've got that sort of functionality now

998
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:35,560
and it actually performs relatively well.

999
01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:41,820
So it sort of is very similar to using a desktop, I would say.

1000
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,420
One of the issues that I had personally

1001
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,700
was I've got a 4K display.

1002
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:52,220
So basically if you have a higher resolution display,

1003
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,060
it can look really pixelated because it only does 1080p.

1004
01:01:58,620 --> 01:02:02,000
So I think that is sort of a slight issue.

1005
01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:06,300
Here's me playing MindTest or Luanti

1006
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,340
through the GraphinoUS desktop mode.

1007
01:02:10,420 --> 01:02:11,600
So you can even play games.

1008
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,600
Like it actually ran at 60 FPS.

1009
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,260
So with a keyboard and mouse.

1010
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,960
So I think that was pretty cool actually.

1011
01:02:19,860 --> 01:02:21,920
But yeah, it's pretty cool stuff.

1012
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:26,440
- That's awesome.

1013
01:02:26,740 --> 01:02:30,500
I'm just now seeing MindTest because of the delay, but wow.

1014
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:33,480
on an Android, that's so cool.

1015
01:02:34,420 --> 01:02:37,660
I played around a little bit with that civilization game,

1016
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:40,840
the, oh my God, what was it called, Un-siv.

1017
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:42,980
But yeah, like you were saying earlier,

1018
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:44,540
like that's kind of a hard game to play

1019
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,460
with the touchscreen and the, yeah.

1020
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,420
So that would be really cool to play around with that.

1021
01:02:51,380 --> 01:02:51,920
Thank you for sharing.

1022
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,460
- Yeah, I just thought I would at least

1023
01:02:54,980 --> 01:02:58,040
have some screen recording so I can at least share.

1024
01:02:58,460 --> 01:03:00,180
But I will say that there's not like

1025
01:03:00,180 --> 01:03:05,120
huge amount of functionality yet. Like there's the app drawer that pops up. There's no like,

1026
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:11,840
there's no way to see like notifications or like stop or start the recording or anything like that

1027
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:17,020
on the second display. So it's pretty, it's pretty bare bones. There is like multitasking and stuff

1028
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,500
you can see. I don't know if you can see on the, oh, you might not be able to see, but there's,

1029
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:27,560
there's like a square and a circle and a back button you can access to like navigate around.

1030
01:03:28,020 --> 01:03:31,040
but most of it does have keyboard shortcuts as well.

1031
01:03:31,850 --> 01:03:39,180
But I was pretty surprised. I tried playing like a more demanding game on the secondary display.

1032
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:48,380
And I noticed I realized that the Pixel 9 has really terrible gaming performance,

1033
01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:53,480
so I would definitely not recommend that. It was running at like 10F or something.

1034
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,200
I was trying Destiny Rising, I think it's called.

1035
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:02,600
Oh gosh. And yeah, it ran really terribly, but I didn't get any footage at that because it was like

1036
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:08,760
making my phone heat up. So there are issues with like, you know, heat. I think it's like the Pixel 9

1037
01:04:10,420 --> 01:04:14,000
is notoriously known for having kind of terrible performance and getting really hot.

1038
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,640
So actually just a pixel thing. I think every pixel just gets really hot.

1039
01:04:19,820 --> 01:04:23,940
But yeah, that's sort of all I wanted to show. I hope this kind of

1040
01:04:23,940 --> 01:04:29,080
answers some people's questions to what it looks like and it's a decent demo of what it can do.

1041
01:04:29,460 --> 01:04:33,600
A lot of the apps that are included on Graphi.no S just like work and resize them and everything.

1042
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,260
So I would honestly just recommend giving it a shot if you haven't already, but it's not like you

1043
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:45,380
need to upgrade to a pixel eight or nine to actually get any of these features because I'm not sure if

1044
01:04:45,380 --> 01:04:54,680
it's out of point where it's that usable. Yeah. Yeah, not to get off topic, but my wife plays a

1045
01:04:54,690 --> 01:04:58,660
lot of those more demanding video games and some of the people she plays with are on iPhones or

1046
01:04:58,820 --> 01:05:04,140
something and I'm like, "Your friends are crazy." Yeah, it's pretty crazy, like the level of

1047
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,660
performance that we have on mobile devices now. It's like, you can play like 120 FPS,

1048
01:05:09,540 --> 01:05:14,200
like shooters on like an iPhone. So yeah.

1049
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:24,400
All right. Okay. I guess we'll jump back to questions. Another question from the forum

1050
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:27,920
comes from internet ghost with it being Thanksgiving week in the US. What is one

1051
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,940
development in the privacy world that you are grateful for this year?

1052
01:05:36,420 --> 01:05:37,960
I didn't think about this question in advance.

1053
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,640
I don't know. I mean, there has been a lot of bad news, unfortunately.

1054
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,800
There's been the online safety act coming into effect,

1055
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:53,680
Google dialing back the AOSP transparency.

1056
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,440
I don't know. Okay, I'll be honest. Nothing specific comes to mind,

1057
01:06:01,460 --> 01:06:06,400
but I know there is good news because I remember one thing I always wanted to do

1058
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,980
report that we just never got around to doing because we were both so busy is I

1059
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,720
wanted to collect all the good news that happened throughout the year.

1060
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,120
And at the end of the year, I wanted to like release that as a compilation or

1061
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,140
like maybe even just circle back and talk about it in a fresh episode.

1062
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,780
But, um, yeah, it, uh, I think there is a lot more good news because I remember

1063
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,420
I, I tried just doing that one year.

1064
01:06:25,420 --> 01:06:26,700
I was like, okay, it's a fresh year.

1065
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,420
I'm going to write these stories down.

1066
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,540
So at the end of the year, we have our list and within a couple of weeks, it was

1067
01:06:32,580 --> 01:06:35,020
already like, we're going to need to trim this down because there's so many,

1068
01:06:35,140 --> 01:06:38,160
Like this law didn't pass, this got repealed,

1069
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:39,960
Microsoft changed their mind about this.

1070
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,120
Like, so I think there is a lot of good news.

1071
01:06:43,260 --> 01:06:48,000
I think the good news comes in smaller bite-sized pieces.

1072
01:06:48,220 --> 01:06:51,840
So it gets overshadowed by the big bad stuff

1073
01:06:52,260 --> 01:06:54,340
a lot of the time, but I think there is a lot of it still.

1074
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,720
- Yeah, I can't really think of anything super positive,

1075
01:06:59,860 --> 01:07:00,200
I guess.

1076
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,520
Yeah, I feel like I would have had to think about this before.

1077
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,200
So one development in privacy that you are grateful for this year.

1078
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,820
I'm grateful for the Privacy Guides team that we've built.

1079
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:22,040
I think we've got some amazing people on our team now, and I'm really excited to see what

1080
01:07:22,100 --> 01:07:22,880
we're doing next year.

1081
01:07:23,740 --> 01:07:28,500
And we've put together a lot of amazing stuff for everybody, and it's been really great

1082
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:31,760
to see so much positive positivity about everything.

1083
01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:34,940
So yeah, kind of wholesome, I guess.

1084
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:38,780
Very positive attitudes in the chat.

1085
01:07:38,980 --> 01:07:39,220
Yes.

1086
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:40,820
I agree.

1087
01:07:43,980 --> 01:07:44,540
All right.

1088
01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:47,380
Do you want to go ahead and pick the next question?

1089
01:07:48,740 --> 01:07:49,500
Yeah, sure.

1090
01:07:49,700 --> 01:07:57,600
So actually we did miss this earlier, but there was a donation from Soditol with a one pound.

1091
01:07:58,260 --> 01:08:02,700
Thank you if you're one pound. I forgot to mention that, but thank you so much for that.

1092
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,980
Any support is appreciated. You don't have to donate or anything. You can share this

1093
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:13,880
around, you know, get the word out. I think it's important that everyone's being up to

1094
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:21,740
date on everything that's going on. I don't see any questions per se, but there is a post

1095
01:08:21,740 --> 01:08:29,799
here from Joseph Nombrefoso. I'm sorry if I said your name incorrectly. I'm not very

1096
01:08:29,810 --> 01:08:36,660
good at pronouncing things. Basically they said, "Sorry to sour Thanksgiving weekend,

1097
01:08:37,020 --> 01:08:41,660
but I got some urgent news. We need to organize a call to action around the hearing that will

1098
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:49,480
happen on December 2nd in the US Energy and Commerce Committee." So basically the Committee

1099
01:08:49,480 --> 01:08:55,819
on energy and commerce is the oldest standing legislative committee in the US House of Representatives

1100
01:08:56,220 --> 01:09:02,600
and is vested with the broadest jurisdiction of any congressional authorizing committee.

1101
01:09:03,899 --> 01:09:11,620
So they're saying that there's a... basically they're trying to push through some sort of

1102
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:18,420
like chat control law. It's actually kind of unclear what is actually going on with this

1103
01:09:18,420 --> 01:09:22,140
because they just posted what should do, not really like about what's happening.

1104
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,120
Have you heard about this, Nate?

1105
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:30,880
I haven't. I'm reading the post right now. In general, the goal of this hearing is to start

1106
01:09:30,980 --> 01:09:34,880
looking into all of the Protect the Kids legislation that has been proposed. This includes

1107
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,640
bills like the Kids Online Safety Act and the App Store Accountability Act, which I think is a

1108
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:44,180
federal version of the state laws in Texas, Utah, and Louisiana that requires age verification for

1109
01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:45,140
for using an app store.

1110
01:09:46,339 --> 01:09:47,839
The full list of proposals can be found

1111
01:09:47,839 --> 01:09:48,640
in the link at the top.

1112
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,480
And then, yeah, he goes into what to do.

1113
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:58,180
Yeah, that is really unfortunate.

1114
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,020
I guess, I mean, the only positive thing

1115
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:04,840
I can say about this is it sounds like

1116
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:10,440
they're trying to take all these disparate mismatched,

1117
01:10:11,060 --> 01:10:13,760
which it's funny, a lot of experts called this years ago.

1118
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,860
Like there's such a patchwork of regulation out there regarding this kind of stuff.

1119
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:24,120
It sounds like the Energy and Commerce Committee is trying to kind of standardize it all,

1120
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:33,660
which on the one hand, this is a double-edged sword because what experts have been saying,

1121
01:10:35,170 --> 01:10:39,240
the ones that I've been hearing about, they were specifically referring to privacy stuff,

1122
01:10:39,250 --> 01:10:44,140
like the California Consumer Privacy Act. They said that if states keep passing these patchwork

1123
01:10:44,140 --> 01:10:47,780
eventually the federal government is going to step in and just make one federal law,

1124
01:10:48,260 --> 01:10:51,720
but it's probably going to have a really, really low bare minimum for privacy and it's

1125
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:52,440
going to be pretty ineffective.

1126
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,460
And we did actually see that a few years ago as the government tried to pass a law and

1127
01:10:57,500 --> 01:11:00,400
they tried to make it where like you're not allowed to go above and beyond this, which

1128
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:01,380
is completely ridiculous.

1129
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,080
And thankfully that didn't pass.

1130
01:11:05,020 --> 01:11:08,080
But so that's why I say this could be a double-edged sword because on the one hand, if they're

1131
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:11,100
going to get together and they're going to be like, hey, we need to have this one law

1132
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:14,060
that should cover everything.

1133
01:11:14,740 --> 01:11:16,640
It's probably going to be like the bare minimum.

1134
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:21,380
But at the same time, if they're talking about like the online safety act and the App Store

1135
01:11:21,460 --> 01:11:23,780
Accountability Act, it's probably not going to be about privacy.

1136
01:11:23,940 --> 01:11:26,320
It's probably going to be about age verification or something like that,

1137
01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:29,580
which also means they're going to go with the laziest, least effective,

1138
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:31,840
least secure way of doing it.

1139
01:11:33,660 --> 01:11:37,560
So, yeah, not, I can't say I'm not feeling,

1140
01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:43,000
I can't say I'm feeling particularly hopeful about this if it goes through. I definitely want to do more research on this.

1141
01:11:44,580 --> 01:11:58,740
Yeah, it seems like basically every country now is trying to do some sort of, it looks like this is more like a less, less so chat control like and more just like, you know, about age verification from what I'm understanding. Is that correct?

1142
01:12:00,900 --> 01:12:05,880
I think so because the two that he mentioned, the Kids Online Safety Act and the App Store

1143
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:10,900
Accountability, both of those are about age verification. Yeah, and I think, yeah, we're

1144
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,160
seeing a lot of countries doing this like the UK's got, I think they might have already implemented

1145
01:12:15,460 --> 01:12:20,840
or it's implementing soon. Australia's on the December 10th is supposed to go into effect.

1146
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,420
And in a lot of cases, at least I don't really know about the UK, but I know in Australia,

1147
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:31,760
there's been a there's been legal pressure from the high court to basically stop that from going

1148
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:41,160
through. So I think it's certainly interesting that there's so much like push from our governments

1149
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:48,220
around the world to do this now and yeah it's it's we're gonna see some pretty horrible consequences

1150
01:12:48,500 --> 01:12:55,780
I think if this does get uh if this does go through um and I think if the US does this then

1151
01:12:55,780 --> 01:13:02,420
it's going to set a precedent for the entire world, I think. Which hopefully not.

1152
01:13:04,060 --> 01:13:13,400
Yeah. And then just to add on to that, Joseph added a second one to pay attention to the Patent

1153
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:19,400
Office. Let's see, the deadline for public comments to push back against patent trolls in the US is

1154
01:13:19,460 --> 01:13:25,760
on December 2nd, which is a few days from now actually. So he's got a link to a post from the

1155
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:34,600
to. Right yeah I think definitely if you're a US citizen or like you're interested in opposing

1156
01:13:34,660 --> 01:13:38,420
this which it sounds like you probably should be definitely look into it a little bit more because

1157
01:13:39,140 --> 01:13:43,420
like we said we're not super familiar with this definitely look into it a bit more but

1158
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:51,920
check out the forum thread here and Joseph has got some good information to kind of get your

1159
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:57,420
representative, call them, tell them that you're opposed to this, make sure you put some pressure

1160
01:13:57,420 --> 01:14:01,780
on people because yeah like we've always said this is this pretty important stuff to actually

1161
01:14:02,540 --> 01:14:12,500
mobilize on. I'm seeing a question here in the in the YouTube chat it said

1162
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:17,240
Where did it go?

1163
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:24,420
If you were stuck in a in time, what year would you pick?

1164
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:25,780
So what year would you pick?

1165
01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:32,280
So I watch way too many YouTube videos and I know for sure I would not pick 536

1166
01:14:32,460 --> 01:14:36,000
AD, which apparently historians have decided was the worst year to be alive.

1167
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,240
Yeah, I know.

1168
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,340
I watch I watch a lot of YouTube videos that talk about random facts.

1169
01:14:45,460 --> 01:14:48,360
And so like the minute I saw that question, I was like, hold on,

1170
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,060
I know there's an answer not to pick and I have to go look that up.

1171
01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:56,120
Um, if we're being honest, I feel like I would pick

1172
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,700
something relatively recent, uh, because, and this, this might be a

1173
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:05,160
controversial take, but I feel like, I feel like objectively speaking up

1174
01:15:05,260 --> 01:15:10,940
until recently, we were living in some of the best times in human history.

1175
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,180
And, and I don't mean to say it's perfect for the record.

1176
01:15:13,300 --> 01:15:16,980
There's definitely still a lot of things that are not okay in the world that need to be fixed.

1177
01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:23,480
But we were living in a period where like global conflict was at an all-time low.

1178
01:15:24,130 --> 01:15:26,680
The standard of living was at an all-time high across the board.

1179
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,040
You know, like civil rights were at an all-time high across the board.

1180
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:37,980
And so it's, and again, that's not to say the world was perfect, but and I feel

1181
01:15:38,620 --> 01:15:41,600
personal opinion that I don't want to get into because we're not a political show.

1182
01:15:41,620 --> 01:15:45,420
I feel like we're kind of going in the opposite direction now.

1183
01:15:45,580 --> 01:15:46,720
But so, yeah, I don't know.

1184
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,580
I feel like I would pick somewhere between like,

1185
01:15:50,330 --> 01:15:53,160
I want to say something in the 90s before the Internet became super popular.

1186
01:15:53,170 --> 01:15:55,780
But I feel like that's just me looking back on things with rose colored glasses.

1187
01:15:58,220 --> 01:16:00,200
But I don't know, maybe sometime in like the.

1188
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,360
The early 2010s, maybe.

1189
01:16:05,340 --> 01:16:05,640
I don't know.

1190
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,480
That could also be rose colored glasses.

1191
01:16:08,020 --> 01:16:10,880
So yeah, I'm a pretty big fan of modern medicine.

1192
01:16:11,740 --> 01:16:17,660
And not dying exactly 35. I think that's yeah, I'd say probably in like plumbing and

1193
01:16:19,820 --> 01:16:24,940
Yeah, having having having a toilet that that's pretty pretty high up in my list of needs I would say

1194
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,740
I reckon probably yeah, I'd say like maybe

1195
01:16:30,260 --> 01:16:37,140
Before COVID maybe like 2018. I don't know. I don't know. That's that's kind of a funny question

1196
01:16:37,150 --> 01:16:39,180
I guess I haven't really thought about it

1197
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:45,400
Yeah, definitely a modern age, a modern time period. I don't think I would want to live like

1198
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:47,220
back when

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01:16:48,340 --> 01:16:49,840
other stuff was going on.

1200
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:56,760
I think that too when I watch a lot of like older movies that are set in a certain time period and it like

1201
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:03,120
it looks really exciting, but then it's like yeah, but like you get a cut in your finger and it gets infected and you die and like

1202
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:08,100
you know, you always had to worry about like some lion jumping out and eating you and

1203
01:17:12,620 --> 01:17:16,540
Yeah, they also had like really, really weird medical.

1204
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:20,600
I did see somebody asked me in the YouTube chat if I was wearing.

1205
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:22,460
Oh, sorry.

1206
01:17:22,700 --> 01:17:23,260
I think there was a lag.

1207
01:17:23,340 --> 01:17:24,180
Did I start talking over you?

1208
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,080
It was a bit of a lag.

1209
01:17:26,220 --> 01:17:26,320
Yes.

1210
01:17:26,380 --> 01:17:26,740
So go ahead.

1211
01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:32,360
Oh, just somebody in the YouTube chat asked if I was wearing a privacy guides polo.

1212
01:17:32,460 --> 01:17:34,720
I'm not, but I totally would if we had them.

1213
01:17:35,140 --> 01:17:40,300
I think you guys used to have a different merch store that had polos, but I think that one went away.

1214
01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:47,160
Is that a Privacy Guides poster in the background? Oh my goodness.

1215
01:17:49,290 --> 01:17:50,460
Are people just now noticing that?

1216
01:17:53,170 --> 01:17:57,300
You can get one for yourself at shop.privacyguides.org. Yeah.

1217
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,360
Yes, with or without a frame.

1218
01:18:04,020 --> 01:18:11,520
That's good. I don't see any other questions. Just like, I guess kind of a final call here.

1219
01:18:11,650 --> 01:18:16,740
If anyone has anything they want us to talk about or answer, we can get to it.

1220
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:30,020
Hey, came prepared. Yeah, somebody said, "I've never heard of this 53680 thing." I think there's

1221
01:18:30,020 --> 01:18:33,120
There's literally a YouTube video called like the worst year to be alive or something.

1222
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,340
Let me go double check that while we're waiting on any last minute questions.

1223
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:40,840
I don't know, but.

1224
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,080
Oh, there's like several YouTube videos about it actually.

1225
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,060
I don't remember who I'm thinking of.

1226
01:18:52,260 --> 01:18:52,380
Anyways.

1227
01:18:57,740 --> 01:19:01,040
All righty, people are saying 70s and 80s vibes were good.

1228
01:19:02,980 --> 01:19:03,660
I don't know.

1229
01:19:05,620 --> 01:19:07,600
Yeah, I don't know if I wasn't alive then.

1230
01:19:08,460 --> 01:19:09,080
I have no idea.

1231
01:19:11,460 --> 01:19:13,320
I mean, stranger things is fun.

1232
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:15,180
I need to watch the new season.

1233
01:19:16,140 --> 01:19:17,340
It was a new season out already.

1234
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:18,540
I thought it wasn't out.

1235
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,400
So it's, it's coming out in three parts and the first part just came out.

1236
01:19:23,620 --> 01:19:25,440
I think like today or last night or something.

1237
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:28,940
Ah, why do they always do that?

1238
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:29,380
I don't know.

1239
01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:30,200
I'm not a big fan.

1240
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,300
I wish they would just like put everything out at the same time instead of like drip feeding it.

1241
01:19:34,380 --> 01:19:35,880
They're probably going to do it every month, right?

1242
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:44,740
One this month, one next month, and then like right in between New Year's and Christmas, I think.

1243
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:46,900
So it's like two months.

1244
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,440
I suppose they got to got to pump up those subscriber numbers.

1245
01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:54,940
to make sure everyone subscribed for three months instead of one.

1246
01:19:56,660 --> 01:19:59,500
I was gonna say that's probably why they're doing it is because they want people to actually stay

1247
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,740
subscribed instead of just signing up for the free trial and canceling.

1248
01:20:03,580 --> 01:20:06,440
Yeah, honestly, that does sound accurate.

1249
01:20:08,020 --> 01:20:14,220
It's kind of Netflix has gone evil. Or maybe they're all evil all along.

1250
01:20:15,700 --> 01:20:22,000
I guess we can move on to the outro here.

1251
01:20:22,230 --> 01:20:29,000
Oh, we got, "Why does PrivacyGuides not recommend Linux Mint or Ubuntu?"

1252
01:20:30,700 --> 01:20:44,260
I guess there's some reasons why basically Ubuntu and Linux Mint are based on a non-rolling release.

1253
01:20:44,900 --> 01:20:48,680
So, rolling releases mean that they get basically like the most up-to-date packages.

1254
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:54,940
There's no like static versions. So with like Debian or Ubuntu, they basically freeze the

1255
01:20:54,980 --> 01:21:01,240
package versions between versions. So like if you notice when like the latest Debian comes out,

1256
01:21:01,300 --> 01:21:04,700
everyone's like super excited because it's got like the latest packages and everything.

1257
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,860
And then like if you use that about three years later, you're like, oh my goodness,

1258
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:14,880
this is an ancient version of some software. And that kind of introduces some issues with

1259
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:25,580
right? If you're not getting those security updates because they basically have to backport all the fixes to that package, right?

1260
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,760
So you're probably going to miss out on some security updates on those packages.

1261
01:21:30,610 --> 01:21:38,060
So that's one reason why we don't recommend Ubuntu or Linux Mint because they're both, as far as I'm aware, based on Ubuntu,

1262
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:43,460
or it might be Ubuntu, I'm sorry. I'm not sure how to say it.

1263
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,020
But I've heard both. I don't know either

1264
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:51,800
Yeah, I'm not sure either but also with Linux Mint. It doesn't use Wayland

1265
01:21:52,540 --> 01:21:54,900
I doesn't use a Wayland compositor by default which

1266
01:21:55,780 --> 01:22:01,080
basically Wayland offers like superior isolation between applications and

1267
01:22:02,460 --> 01:22:06,060
More sick especially a more secure desktop

1268
01:22:08,039 --> 01:22:12,920
Compositor compared to Xorg which Linux Mint uses by default because I believe they use

1269
01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:16,540
Cinnamon desktop by default or XFC as well.

1270
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,840
So that's one of the reasons why Linux Mint

1271
01:22:19,900 --> 01:22:22,940
isn't recommended, but those are like,

1272
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,300
I think the big, big two reasons, I think.

1273
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,180
- Yeah, I'm a lot less technical

1274
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:32,360
than people give me credit for,

1275
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,020
but I do know that is in a broad stroke,

1276
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,420
that's the main reason is like,

1277
01:22:37,500 --> 01:22:39,380
there's more secure options out there.

1278
01:22:40,140 --> 01:22:42,880
I think the redeeming quality of things like Mint and Ubuntu

1279
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,500
is that they're extremely user friendly

1280
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,840
and they're very easy to find help for,

1281
01:22:48,940 --> 01:22:50,660
especially if you wanna get to learn to use the terminal.

1282
01:22:52,700 --> 01:22:55,200
So I think that's something that's nice about them.

1283
01:22:56,060 --> 01:22:58,800
But at the same time, like, I don't know,

1284
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:00,580
like even if you wanted to become a power user,

1285
01:23:00,700 --> 01:23:02,560
you can still find plenty of assistance

1286
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,060
with things like Fedora or, you know, you can,

1287
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:09,900
yeah, I mean, you can find what you need.

1288
01:23:09,980 --> 01:23:11,020
And even if you're not a power user,

1289
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:16,820
If you get something like the Snap Store or the, what's the one for FlatHub?

1290
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:17,980
Like you get FlatHub.

1291
01:23:18,150 --> 01:23:22,680
I mean, they're kind of plug and play, almost like using the Mac App Store, I think, or

1292
01:23:22,750 --> 01:23:23,480
even the Windows Store.

1293
01:23:23,740 --> 01:23:25,440
So I don't know.

1294
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:30,140
I think Fedora has especially really come a long way in user friendliness that I'm personally

1295
01:23:30,150 --> 01:23:30,600
a fan of.

1296
01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:31,200
So.

1297
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:38,540
Yeah, no, especially because Fedora has a KD's like officially like pod of Fedora now.

1298
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:46,680
That's probably the best one-to-one replacement for Windows because I know some people, they

1299
01:23:46,740 --> 01:23:54,520
try Fedora workstation and they're really confused by GNOME because GNOME does things

1300
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:59,320
in a very strange way that doesn't really compute for Windows people who've used to

1301
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:00,880
a certain way of doing things.

1302
01:24:01,540 --> 01:24:06,520
So I think Fedora would probably be, FedoraKD Plasma is probably what you would want to

1303
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:14,220
be looking for. And yeah, they said, "I like Geruda or Labuntu, KD Plasma." Yeah, I think

1304
01:24:14,580 --> 01:24:19,680
in general though, just to say, you don't have to use every single recommendation that

1305
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:25,460
Privacy Guides recommends, they're just there because that's the ones that have been solidified

1306
01:24:25,460 --> 01:24:34,100
as the best possible, technically best option. If you weigh the benefits and you see that

1307
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:41,460
Ubuntu is better in some aspects, like you have certain packages that are only supported by.deb,

1308
01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:49,300
then it kind of makes sense. You got to weigh it up yourself. I think it's best to maybe have a

1309
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:54,260
read through why they're not listed, because there have been threads talking about Linux Mint and

1310
01:24:54,360 --> 01:25:01,420
why it's not recommended. So, you know, I think I personally never really used Linux Mint that much.

1311
01:25:01,940 --> 01:25:11,040
I've recommended it to people just because it was easy to use, but I think there's, you know, yeah,

1312
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:16,260
Jonah just said, but yeah, all Linux is good. Linux, yeah, so basically any Linux distro is

1313
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:20,760
going to be better than Windows or macOS, right? Like, let's at least put this into perspective,

1314
01:25:21,220 --> 01:25:25,740
right? I think people can get kind of bogged down by like, you know, the nerdiness stuff, like,

1315
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:31,920
well, the technical details. I think as long as you're practicing good security habits, good privacy

1316
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:45,400
I think you're going to be okay, but if you care about some of those extra security features like that Fedora has like SE Linux, Wayland, using all those modern technologies, I'd probably say check that out.

1317
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:49,140
Check out our recommendations.

1318
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:57,880
I see it.

1319
01:25:58,140 --> 01:25:58,340
All right.

1320
01:25:59,060 --> 01:26:04,520
Jonah says, "I was going to say 2000, but I was wondering if I would have to also be

1321
01:26:04,580 --> 01:26:06,420
the age I was in 2000."

1322
01:26:10,300 --> 01:26:10,660
Yeah.

1323
01:26:10,940 --> 01:26:13,940
I do think about that being a big sci-fi fan.

1324
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:17,540
I think a lot about like, "Oh, what if I could go back in time or whatever?"

1325
01:26:17,540 --> 01:26:18,220
And then I think about that.

1326
01:26:18,220 --> 01:26:21,580
I'm like, "Man, it is pretty great like being an adult."

1327
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:26,900
I mean, you know, bills suck obviously, but just having so much more freedom than I did

1328
01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:31,680
as a kid. I don't think I would trade that. So yeah, that's a valid question. Do I have to be the right age?

1329
01:26:34,180 --> 01:26:38,280
I know, I guess that's kind of part of the question. Yeah, I don't know what it was like in 2000.

1330
01:26:39,580 --> 01:26:45,260
I also wasn't born then, but I think if I would actually prefer to move forward in time, you know,

1331
01:26:45,340 --> 01:26:51,260
I'd like to go to like, you know, is that a thing? Can you choose to be in the future? I don't know,

1332
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,620
maybe the future is going to be terrible and I don't know.

1333
01:26:56,740 --> 01:27:01,240
I do really like sci-fi that looks toward the future for that reason. I'm really curious how...

1334
01:27:04,060 --> 01:27:07,620
I actually had this conversation with somebody recently. I missed the golden age of sci-fi,

1335
01:27:07,700 --> 01:27:14,180
like the 1950s sci-fi, strictly because they were so optimistic about the future and how it was just

1336
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:19,160
only going to bring so many good, wonderful things instead of nowadays it's like, "Oh,

1337
01:27:19,170 --> 01:27:23,140
we're all going to be living in shelters and AI is going to try to kill us all," which is probably

1338
01:27:23,140 --> 01:27:29,580
more accurate if we're being honest but still. Yeah I feel like we're doing pretty well right because

1339
01:27:30,060 --> 01:27:35,280
Blade Runner they thought we're gonna have flying cars and stuff but uh and we're all gonna be living

1340
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:41,000
in like shanty towns but we're doing pretty good I think we're doing pretty well we're doing better

1341
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:47,780
than that. Right at least the job interviews don't ask me why I'm not flipping over a turtle so

1342
01:27:48,740 --> 01:27:49,460
That's always nice.

1343
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,500
Yeah, I don't know. I don't really know too much about 1950 sci-fi.

1344
01:27:54,650 --> 01:27:56,740
Oh, okay. We're getting a little bit off topic here.

1345
01:27:58,660 --> 01:28:00,640
I will happily discuss this with you afterwards.

1346
01:28:03,540 --> 01:28:07,120
All right. But yeah, I think we'll go ahead and call it there.

1347
01:28:08,420 --> 01:28:12,880
So yeah, thank you everybody for watching, for listening, for asking questions.

1348
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,680
All the updates from this week in privacy will be shared here on the blog every week.

1349
01:28:17,780 --> 01:28:24,960
So if you subscribe with your favorite RSS reader, we will also be sending out a newsletter, I believe.

1350
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,920
I think there's a link to that down in the show notes.

1351
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:33,000
And for people who prefer audio, we're going to be putting up podcast styles and recordings of

1352
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:37,820
these every week, live streamed from YouTube. So there should be links to subscribe to that as well.

1353
01:28:38,780 --> 01:28:43,920
And I think that'll do it. So thank you all for watching and we will be back here next week, same time.

1354
01:28:45,060 --> 01:28:51,740
One last thing before we go, we're a non-profit organization and if you want to support us

1355
01:28:52,440 --> 01:28:58,620
with donations that would be extremely appreciated. Just check out the website,

1356
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,660
go to privacyguides.org, press the little heart in the top right corner. You can make a donation

1357
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:10,340
using a credit card or you can also use cryptocurrency. But yeah, I'll just hand it back

1358
01:29:10,340 --> 01:29:15,760
over tonight to finish this out here. Thank you guys again for watching and we'll be back next week

1359
01:29:15,950 --> 01:29:17,860
with more news. Bye now.

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