1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,160 Joe Biden: And that's what climate change is about. It is 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,300 literally not figuratively a clear and present danger. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,395 Greta Thunberg: We are the beginning of a mass extinction. 4 00:00:16,615 --> 00:00:20,055 Jim Lakely: The ability of c 02 to do the heavy work of creating 5 00:00:20,055 --> 00:00:23,175 a climate catastrophe is almost nil at this point. 6 00:00:23,175 --> 00:00:26,135 Anthony Watts: The price of oil has been artificially elevated 7 00:00:26,135 --> 00:00:27,500 to the point of insanity. 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,300 Sterling Burnett: That's not how you power a modern industrial 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:30,860 system. 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,200 Andy Singer: The ultimate goal of this renewable energy, you 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:39,100 know, plan is to reach the exact same point that we're at now. 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,825 Sterling Burnett: You know who's tried that? Germany. 7 straight 13 00:00:42,825 --> 00:00:46,425 days of no wind for Germany. Their factories are shutting 14 00:00:46,425 --> 00:00:46,925 down. 15 00:00:46,985 --> 00:00:50,285 Linnea Lueken: They really do act like weather didn't happen 16 00:00:50,825 --> 00:00:55,645 prior to, like, 1910. Today is Friday. 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,640 Jim Lakely: That's right, Greta. It is Friday. It is the most 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,440 important and fun day of the week because it is the day that 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,420 the Heartland Institute broadcast the Climate Realism 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,800 Show. I'm Jim Lakely, vice president of the Heartland 21 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,865 Institute, and your host for today. 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Starting off with Anthony Watts, he's a senior fellow at 48 00:02:38,135 --> 00:02:40,935 the Heartland Institute and the publisher of the most 49 00:02:40,935 --> 00:02:44,635 influential climate website in the world, what's up with that? 50 00:02:44,935 --> 00:02:47,575 H Sterling Burnett, he is the director of the Arthur b 51 00:02:47,575 --> 00:02:50,790 Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy at the 52 00:02:50,790 --> 00:02:53,750 Heartland Institute, and, also, of course, Linnea Lukin, 53 00:02:53,750 --> 00:02:56,710 research fellow for energy and environmental policy at 54 00:02:56,710 --> 00:02:58,710 Heartland. Greetings all. 55 00:02:58,710 --> 00:03:00,645 This is gonna be another fun show. 56 00:03:02,405 --> 00:03:04,325 Linnea Lueken: Thank you very much. Sorry. My dog is, like, 57 00:03:04,325 --> 00:03:06,565 losing her mind in the background. So I'm sorry if you 58 00:03:06,565 --> 00:03:08,265 can hear her. I'll try to stay muted. 59 00:03:08,645 --> 00:03:10,905 Sterling Burnett: Yes. We should introduce our dogs. 60 00:03:11,365 --> 00:03:13,765 Jim Lakely: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We all have we all have pets. I 61 00:03:13,765 --> 00:03:14,490 have cats. 62 00:03:14,570 --> 00:03:17,530 Cat has not yet appeared on the show, but it'll be any day now. 63 00:03:17,530 --> 00:03:20,890 I'm sure. Linea, I know that it's, it's cold here. Actually, 64 00:03:20,890 --> 00:03:24,510 you know, we talk about weather a lot and climate a lot because 65 00:03:24,650 --> 00:03:28,010 the mainstream media likes to conflate the 2. But, yeah, is 66 00:03:28,010 --> 00:03:30,805 everybody pretty much in the United States listening to this, 67 00:03:31,205 --> 00:03:34,885 show today or watching the show today, it's cold out there. 68 00:03:34,885 --> 00:03:38,085 A lot colder than it normally is, in a December for most of 69 00:03:38,085 --> 00:03:42,165 the, lower 48 continental United States. And, Linea, I think you 70 00:03:42,165 --> 00:03:45,060 were just talking to him before he came on the air, that your 71 00:03:45,060 --> 00:03:48,260 chickens are not adjusting to this instant climate change very 72 00:03:48,260 --> 00:03:49,640 well down there where you live. 73 00:03:50,340 --> 00:03:53,000 Linnea Lueken: No. One of my chickens just has her molting 74 00:03:53,220 --> 00:03:57,300 pattern a little bit off kilter, and so she is blowing out all of 75 00:03:57,300 --> 00:04:00,785 her feathers right before we got a serious cold snap. And so she 76 00:04:00,785 --> 00:04:03,585 is a little bit cold. But the rest of them are okay, but she's 77 00:04:03,585 --> 00:04:05,365 just kind of stupid. I don't know. 78 00:04:05,825 --> 00:04:07,345 Anthony Watts: Well, it's good thing you don't have any 79 00:04:07,345 --> 00:04:07,845 turkeys. 80 00:04:09,025 --> 00:04:09,825 Linnea Lueken: Yeah. There 81 00:04:09,825 --> 00:04:11,525 Anthony Watts: are none left. Yeah. 82 00:04:13,700 --> 00:04:15,240 Jim Lakely: Yes. I cooked most of them. 83 00:04:15,380 --> 00:04:17,620 Anthony Watts: So are you expecting power outages soon? I 84 00:04:17,620 --> 00:04:21,140 noticed you have a kerosene lantern over there to your, over 85 00:04:21,140 --> 00:04:22,120 your right shoulder. 86 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:25,300 Linnea Lueken: Indeed. I'm always ready. And in fact, I 87 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:28,020 lose power very, very frequently, where I live 88 00:04:28,020 --> 00:04:30,085 probably at least once a week, So that's 89 00:04:30,465 --> 00:04:33,185 Anthony Watts: fun. Nice. Is it because of the Almost a third 90 00:04:33,185 --> 00:04:34,325 world country status. 91 00:04:34,545 --> 00:04:36,885 Sterling Burnett: Is it is it because of the escaped monkeys 92 00:04:37,025 --> 00:04:39,525 ripping down the power lines or because of 93 00:04:39,585 --> 00:04:40,485 Anthony Watts: climate change? 94 00:04:40,625 --> 00:04:43,560 Linnea Lueken: Yeah. I think there's still one on the lam 95 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,560 here. So they've they've got pretty much all of them, so I 96 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,880 won't rule it out. It could be monkeys. I don't know. 97 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,480 Jim Lakely: Right. You have escaped monkeys in your 98 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:51,980 neighborhood? 99 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:53,980 Sterling Burnett: Yeah. 100 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:56,840 Linnea Lueken: Yeah. About, like, a half hour north of me is 101 00:04:56,840 --> 00:05:00,975 where that big monkey breakout happens. So they there's still 102 00:05:00,975 --> 00:05:02,595 one monkey missing, I think. 103 00:05:02,815 --> 00:05:05,535 Jim Lakely: Alright. Maybe I take off too much time during 104 00:05:05,535 --> 00:05:08,015 the holidays. I I think I vaguely remembered something 105 00:05:08,015 --> 00:05:11,535 about a monkey, monkey breakout, planet of the apes kind of 106 00:05:11,535 --> 00:05:14,910 situation, but, I haven't been following closely. So you'll 107 00:05:14,910 --> 00:05:17,650 keep us updated on that, since it those directly 108 00:05:17,870 --> 00:05:18,270 Speaker 1: text Yeah. 109 00:05:18,270 --> 00:05:20,450 Linnea Lueken: I think it's pretty much solved by now, but 110 00:05:20,990 --> 00:05:21,970 whatever it takes. 111 00:05:22,430 --> 00:05:25,790 Jim Lakely: Alright. Well, we're going to, get the show rolling, 112 00:05:25,790 --> 00:05:29,425 and we're gonna start as we always do with, Anthony Watts' 113 00:05:29,425 --> 00:05:32,305 favorite segment, especially the, video drop for it. That is 114 00:05:32,305 --> 00:05:49,040 the crazy climate news of the week. Hit it, Andy. Yeah. 115 00:05:49,580 --> 00:05:52,620 Could use some of that some of that warmth of the earth in a 116 00:05:52,620 --> 00:05:56,235 lot of places around around the United States today. So, anyway, 117 00:05:56,235 --> 00:06:00,075 so our first item here, I think will I think especially 118 00:06:00,075 --> 00:06:02,715 interest, Linnea. I'm gonna go to you for the first comment 119 00:06:02,715 --> 00:06:06,635 here. This is from Forbes. This is how the gaming community is 120 00:06:06,635 --> 00:06:09,215 leveling up on climate change awareness. 121 00:06:10,430 --> 00:06:12,510 Apparently, gamers are going to be able to save the world, 122 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:14,910 Linnea, so good good news there. So let me read a little bit from 123 00:06:14,910 --> 00:06:19,170 this story. The staggering number of 3,200,000,000 gamers 124 00:06:19,230 --> 00:06:21,790 worldwide represents a massive audience that could 125 00:06:21,790 --> 00:06:24,850 significantly impact public understanding of climate issues. 126 00:06:25,515 --> 00:06:29,275 Recognizing this potential, initiatives like the green game 127 00:06:29,275 --> 00:06:33,035 jam are leading the way by engaging major game developers 128 00:06:33,035 --> 00:06:35,755 to integrate eco friendly content to their games. Boy, 129 00:06:35,755 --> 00:06:36,895 does that sound like fun? 130 00:06:38,150 --> 00:06:42,310 PUBG Mobile's, quote, play for green campaign, backed by the 131 00:06:42,310 --> 00:06:45,910 United Nations, that's great, exemplifies how games can 132 00:06:45,910 --> 00:06:48,950 educate and inspire players to take action on climate issues 133 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:52,055 through immersive gameplay. With millions of players 134 00:06:52,055 --> 00:06:54,615 participating, this campaign underscores how the gaming 135 00:06:54,615 --> 00:06:58,135 industry can merge entertainment with education and foster 136 00:06:58,135 --> 00:07:02,455 environmental consciousness. Alright. Though, through Yeah. 137 00:07:02,535 --> 00:07:04,055 Collaborations with Climate Scientist. 138 00:07:04,055 --> 00:07:08,140 Almost done. Like professor Mark Maslin, Pubg Mobile integrates 139 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:11,340 scientifically grounded climate narratives into its gameplay. 140 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:17,020 Boy, more fun stuff here. For example, the ruins of Erangel 141 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,505 map series uses real life environmental data to depict the 142 00:07:20,505 --> 00:07:23,865 impacts of rising sea levels, heat waves, and droughts. This 143 00:07:23,865 --> 00:07:27,625 approach not only enhances the game's realism but also educates 144 00:07:27,625 --> 00:07:31,325 players about the real world consequences of climate in 145 00:07:31,625 --> 00:07:32,125 action. 146 00:07:32,185 --> 00:07:36,910 So, Linnea, you certainly are among those 3,200,000,000 gamers 147 00:07:36,910 --> 00:07:40,670 out there. Have you come across this kind of messaging in, in 148 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:41,810 your gaming world? 149 00:07:42,110 --> 00:07:42,930 Linnea Lueken: I mean, yeah. 150 00:07:43,070 --> 00:07:45,710 Jim Lakely: And and the gamers really it strikes me that gaming 151 00:07:45,710 --> 00:07:49,075 culture does not really respond to this kinda ham handed, 152 00:07:49,515 --> 00:07:51,295 propaganda in their entertainment. 153 00:07:51,835 --> 00:07:54,195 Linnea Lueken: No. And in fact, you know, if you go on Steam and 154 00:07:54,315 --> 00:08:00,110 or which is, like, a PC gaming platform, distributor, If you go 155 00:08:00,110 --> 00:08:03,410 there, you can sign up for groups that will specifically 156 00:08:03,870 --> 00:08:08,530 mark different games as, like, DEI influenced or ESG 157 00:08:08,590 --> 00:08:12,350 influenced. And so, you can avoid buying those games if 158 00:08:12,350 --> 00:08:15,225 they're on those lists, and a lot of people do. Those those 159 00:08:15,225 --> 00:08:19,145 lists tend to be very heavily followed. Yeah. 160 00:08:19,145 --> 00:08:22,605 Everyone's just sick of the politicization of this stuff. 161 00:08:22,985 --> 00:08:25,865 But I will note that they're trying to make this out to be 162 00:08:25,865 --> 00:08:30,590 like some big gamer movement thing, and yet they're targeting 163 00:08:30,810 --> 00:08:36,730 mobile games, which for for for for the real gamers, mobile 164 00:08:36,730 --> 00:08:41,575 games are a little bit of a joke, I would say. It's, it is 165 00:08:41,575 --> 00:08:44,295 pretty funny that it's PUBG Mobile, and it's not, like, 166 00:08:44,295 --> 00:08:49,735 actual PUBG. So, yeah, it's it's been going on for a while. This 167 00:08:49,735 --> 00:08:50,295 isn't new. 168 00:08:50,295 --> 00:08:53,515 They've been putting little, like, climate change messaging 169 00:08:53,575 --> 00:08:58,190 stuff into tons of games. There's some, cool, like, broad 170 00:08:58,190 --> 00:09:02,110 scale map war games that have been including, you know, sea 171 00:09:02,110 --> 00:09:06,590 level rise stuff in it for a while now. So it's it's nothing 172 00:09:06,590 --> 00:09:10,785 new. I think even Sims has, like, a climate change thing, in 173 00:09:10,785 --> 00:09:13,185 it as well. So everyone just ignores it. 174 00:09:13,185 --> 00:09:15,425 I've never heard anyone even talk about it besides 175 00:09:15,425 --> 00:09:18,065 mentioning, like, yeah, they've already been doing this. It's 176 00:09:18,065 --> 00:09:22,545 not anything new. It doesn't influence anybody. It's just 177 00:09:22,545 --> 00:09:25,605 another thing for them to throw money at and feel good. 178 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,160 Anthony Watts: The games though. Can you can you role play in 179 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,960 this stuff? Can you become like a hero that saves the planet 180 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,500 through your climate change actions? 181 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,480 Linnea Lueken: No. In PUBG, you're just running around 182 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,520 shooting people. So 183 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,620 Sterling Burnett: Oh, that's that's the thing is 184 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Anthony Watts: That's that's depopulating the earth. That's a 185 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:42,495 win. Right? 186 00:09:43,295 --> 00:09:46,175 Sterling Burnett: You see these games you see these games, and 187 00:09:46,175 --> 00:09:48,415 the message doesn't look particularly it certainly 188 00:09:48,415 --> 00:09:54,515 doesn't look for the most part, sort of, humanist, pro human, 189 00:09:55,055 --> 00:09:58,080 because there's just a lot of killing and blowing up going on. 190 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,200 But secondly, when it's not killing and blowing up, it's 191 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,320 like what the civilization thinks where you build up from a 192 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,560 primitive society to to modern civilization. I don't see the 193 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:12,745 games where it says, let's go back. Let's be let's go back to 194 00:10:12,745 --> 00:10:16,185 the Pleistocene. We start with a modern city and slowly take 195 00:10:16,185 --> 00:10:18,985 things away until we're living like cavemen. 196 00:10:18,985 --> 00:10:21,945 That's what we all strive for in these games. No. The games don't 197 00:10:21,945 --> 00:10:25,145 do that, and the other games are are shooting things, blowing 198 00:10:25,145 --> 00:10:28,230 things up. Yeah. You kill people, but you start a lot of 199 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:30,170 fires, and you're putting out c o two. 200 00:10:30,710 --> 00:10:35,190 If if you if you blow up cooling tanks, you you're putting, you 201 00:10:35,190 --> 00:10:40,230 know, CFCs into the air. They don't seem very green to me. The 202 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:42,045 messaging is not very green. 203 00:10:43,725 --> 00:10:44,845 Anthony Watts: Yeah. And as far as 204 00:10:44,845 --> 00:10:46,125 Sterling Burnett: the sea level, you know, as far as the sea 205 00:10:46,125 --> 00:10:48,925 level rise in war games, if you're doing a war game and it's 206 00:10:48,925 --> 00:10:53,245 like a Napoleonic or, you know, some ancient war game where 207 00:10:53,245 --> 00:10:56,580 you've got wooden ships and sea level rising, I'm not seeing how 208 00:10:56,580 --> 00:10:59,140 you're getting the c02 is causing sea level rise matches 209 00:10:59,140 --> 00:10:59,880 their faults. 210 00:11:01,220 --> 00:11:03,620 Linnea Lueken: Yeah. It's a pretty it's a pretty long war to 211 00:11:03,620 --> 00:11:07,905 be deeply or heavily influenced by sea level rise. That'd be a 212 00:11:07,905 --> 00:11:09,365 pretty bad time, actually. 213 00:11:09,585 --> 00:11:11,345 Jim Lakely: And I think going back to the Pleistocene, boy, 214 00:11:11,345 --> 00:11:15,105 that is super super immersive for the for people to take us 215 00:11:15,105 --> 00:11:18,145 back to the Pleistocene. Yeah. You know? And and this thing 216 00:11:18,145 --> 00:11:20,865 about, we'll get to that story in a second here, Andy. But the 217 00:11:20,865 --> 00:11:23,620 thing about the, about gaming you know, when I when I read 218 00:11:23,620 --> 00:11:26,660 stories like this and I think we covered there was another game, 219 00:11:26,660 --> 00:11:28,980 and I should have put it in the show notes so we could bring it 220 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:29,380 up. 221 00:11:29,860 --> 00:11:32,500 If you guys remember I'm sure you you you remember, Linea, and 222 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:35,325 Andy, our producer, does too, about another game that was not 223 00:11:35,325 --> 00:11:38,125 a mobile game. It was a, either online game or something that 224 00:11:38,125 --> 00:11:40,685 you would do on a maybe not on a console, but on your computer. 225 00:11:40,685 --> 00:11:44,365 Right? But when they they talk about that there are 226 00:11:44,365 --> 00:11:49,100 3,200,000,000 gamers on Earth. I mean, they include you know, 227 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:52,140 they're not these are not people that all have an Xbox or a, you 228 00:11:52,140 --> 00:11:55,580 know, or anything like that or or a PS 2 or PS 5, I guess it is 229 00:11:55,580 --> 00:11:55,820 now. 230 00:11:55,820 --> 00:11:58,700 I haven't gamed in a long time. But they also include people 231 00:11:58,700 --> 00:12:00,940 who, like, play Words With Friends on their phone with 232 00:12:00,940 --> 00:12:05,015 their mom. Right? Or or play these these Candy crush. Yeah. 233 00:12:05,015 --> 00:12:07,175 Yeah. Candy crush, things like that. Those are not gamers. 234 00:12:07,175 --> 00:12:10,455 Those are people that are that have downloaded games on their 235 00:12:10,455 --> 00:12:13,095 mobile devices to kill time while waiting for their flight 236 00:12:13,095 --> 00:12:14,215 to take off and stuff like that. 237 00:12:14,215 --> 00:12:16,550 Linnea Lueken: Yeah. It's like saying someone's into a tabletop 238 00:12:16,550 --> 00:12:18,710 when they just play monopoly with their family at 239 00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:22,090 Thanksgiving every year. It's it's not exactly the same thing. 240 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:22,650 Jim Lakely: Yeah. 241 00:12:22,790 --> 00:12:26,310 Sterling Burnett: And more importantly than any of that, 242 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:30,435 the messaging is, shouldn't the message if what you're trying to 243 00:12:30,435 --> 00:12:34,035 be green, you know, you're trying to people to save the 244 00:12:34,035 --> 00:12:37,895 earth is to to turn off your games, to stop using energy? 245 00:12:38,195 --> 00:12:42,580 Because gaming takes energy. When people have it's plugging 246 00:12:42,580 --> 00:12:45,700 something in. The power is coming from somewhere. It's on a 247 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:48,900 console that's made from fossil fuels. 248 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:51,700 If you wanna say the earth is a gamer, you should cease to be a 249 00:12:51,700 --> 00:12:52,200 gamer. 250 00:12:53,325 --> 00:12:56,205 Anthony Watts: Yeah. You know, Sterling, I'll point out that 251 00:12:56,205 --> 00:12:58,925 you are our resident gamer, although of a different kind. 252 00:12:58,925 --> 00:13:02,205 Instead of earning badges, you earn things that you post up on 253 00:13:02,205 --> 00:13:04,865 the wall there. Indeed. That's true. 254 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:05,960 Jim Lakely: That's true. 255 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,920 Sterling Burnett: And but when I'm out there, I'm not using any 256 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:16,600 electricity. The only, the only, c o two I'm emitting is what I 257 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,735 breathe out and then the small puff of, c02 that, when a 258 00:13:21,735 --> 00:13:24,075 cartridge goes off. Yep. 259 00:13:24,135 --> 00:13:25,355 Linnea Lueken: How dare you. 260 00:13:25,975 --> 00:13:29,575 Jim Lakely: That's right. Alright. Alright. Let's move on 261 00:13:29,575 --> 00:13:32,940 to our second item here in the, crazy climate news of the week, 262 00:13:32,940 --> 00:13:35,680 and that is from our friends over at the c o two coalition. 263 00:13:36,140 --> 00:13:40,300 And the headline is BRICS Kazan declaration, Trump's COP 29 264 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:41,280 climate blather. 265 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:44,620 BRICS, I'm sure a lot of our listeners and viewers know, 266 00:13:44,620 --> 00:13:48,925 stands for, Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. 267 00:13:48,925 --> 00:13:52,045 But then this coalition, it's basically a counter it's a it's 268 00:13:52,045 --> 00:13:55,245 a counter of the United Nations or, say, the g 7, of but of 269 00:13:55,245 --> 00:13:58,365 emerging economies. Right? So, anyway, so, our friends at the 270 00:13:58,365 --> 00:14:01,610 CO 2 Coalition point this out. Here we go. 271 00:14:01,610 --> 00:14:04,090 Some of the world's most powerful nations made clear to 272 00:14:04,090 --> 00:14:07,050 the so called climate emergency or that the so called climate 273 00:14:07,050 --> 00:14:10,410 emergency was a secondary priority for them. Attendees of 274 00:14:10,410 --> 00:14:14,265 the 16th annual BRICS summit represented more than 45% of the 275 00:14:14,265 --> 00:14:18,185 global population and 35% of global gross domestic product 276 00:14:18,185 --> 00:14:21,065 and included representatives of Saudi Arabia, China, India, 277 00:14:21,065 --> 00:14:24,905 Brazil, and the United Arab Emirates. In the case, Kazan 278 00:14:24,905 --> 00:14:27,770 declaration, the core BRICS countries, including India, 279 00:14:27,770 --> 00:14:30,570 China, and Russia, have openly declared that their domestic 280 00:14:30,570 --> 00:14:33,770 energy needs and economic well-being will take precedence 281 00:14:33,770 --> 00:14:35,930 over international climate agreements like the Paris 282 00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:39,850 Accords and net zero initiatives. In hindsight, the 283 00:14:39,850 --> 00:14:43,925 meeting at Kazan could have seen could be seen as a foretelling 284 00:14:44,145 --> 00:14:47,025 of such doubts about the standing of the popular climate 285 00:14:47,025 --> 00:14:51,425 narrative. However, c n n CNBC's summary of the event, which 286 00:14:51,425 --> 00:14:55,345 supposedly lists key takeaways, completely ignored this critical 287 00:14:55,345 --> 00:14:58,780 aspect despite representing a considerable portion of the 288 00:14:58,780 --> 00:15:00,160 declaration's wording. 289 00:15:00,380 --> 00:15:03,580 The mainstream media was silent as their green fantasy was 290 00:15:03,580 --> 00:15:06,860 disintegrating right in front of their eyes at Quezon. Now, 291 00:15:07,180 --> 00:15:10,615 Sterling, we here on the Climate Realism Show, we consider this, 292 00:15:10,935 --> 00:15:15,255 pretty darn good news, and we covered COP 29 on our show, 2 293 00:15:15,255 --> 00:15:18,295 weeks ago when we took off for the Thanksgiving holiday. And, 294 00:15:18,455 --> 00:15:21,575 our friends at CFAK who were there said the the COP 29 had a 295 00:15:21,575 --> 00:15:25,050 bit of a funereal vibe. And now we have this, you know, the 296 00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:28,650 largest emerging economies, and they're growing in population 297 00:15:28,650 --> 00:15:31,130 while Europe and and North America, frankly, are not 298 00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:33,610 growing as fast or maybe they were even shrinking. And they're 299 00:15:33,610 --> 00:15:37,365 just thumbing their nose at, net zero in the UN's climate agenda. 300 00:15:37,365 --> 00:15:40,565 Does this mean perhaps that we are seeing the beginning of the 301 00:15:40,565 --> 00:15:43,465 end of the global climate agenda ruling the Earth? 302 00:15:43,605 --> 00:15:47,445 Sterling Burnett: No. Let's let's say first about COP 29. It 303 00:15:47,445 --> 00:15:51,670 was funereal within the boundaries of cop 29 within the 304 00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:54,790 little buildings that they held the meetings in. Outside, it was 305 00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:57,350 evidently not very funereal at all. There were people wearing 306 00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:58,250 MAGA hats. 307 00:15:58,870 --> 00:16:02,070 There were oil pump derricks going up and down. Their 308 00:16:02,070 --> 00:16:05,685 president saying, it's a it's a blessing from God. That sounds 309 00:16:05,685 --> 00:16:13,205 pretty celebratory to me. Concerning bricks, look, the 310 00:16:13,205 --> 00:16:16,005 lead singer for the talking heads, David Byrne, one one of 311 00:16:16,005 --> 00:16:21,080 his lines was same as it ever was. And nothing that happened 312 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,120 at BRICS is really surprising because this is the position 313 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,460 they've held since BRICS was formed, and they're expanding 314 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,380 the number of nations in BRICS. 315 00:16:30,695 --> 00:16:33,335 It's gonna be inconvenient if they have to go longer with the 316 00:16:33,335 --> 00:16:39,355 acronym with the new nations. Yeah. But, they have always 317 00:16:39,415 --> 00:16:43,255 placed development first. They have always embraced fossil 318 00:16:43,255 --> 00:16:44,695 fuels. They they they genuflect. 319 00:16:44,695 --> 00:16:47,380 They say, oh, we've gotta do sustainable development. Oh, 320 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,640 yeah. The climate climate change is an important issue. It's just 321 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,720 not more important than anything else we're doing, which, by the 322 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,080 way, reflects the kind of things that we find when we do polls of 323 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,865 people. Oh, it's very important. 324 00:16:59,865 --> 00:17:02,185 It's just not more important than me being able to feed my 325 00:17:02,185 --> 00:17:08,105 children or get to work or be safe on the streets. So bricks 326 00:17:08,105 --> 00:17:11,405 have always been realist. The truth is we've written about, 327 00:17:12,505 --> 00:17:15,440 their realism. You know, it talked about what did you say? 328 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:20,320 It was, they were 30%, 40 something percent of the of the 329 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:20,820 population. 330 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,800 Talk about their c o two emissions. I wonder how what 331 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,440 what that percent was. I mean, China alone is more than a 332 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,045 quarter. Right. India is probably another 6 to 8% or 333 00:17:31,045 --> 00:17:31,545 more. 334 00:17:32,645 --> 00:17:36,245 Russia is pretty high. So I bet when you add that, you're 335 00:17:36,245 --> 00:17:39,785 getting close to 50% of emissions that they represent, 336 00:17:40,325 --> 00:17:41,705 and theirs are growing. 337 00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:42,310 Jim Lakely: Right. 338 00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:46,250 Sterling Burnett: They're growing, not shrinking. And so, 339 00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:53,990 when the Paris agreement was signed back in 2015, I said then 340 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:59,535 it was a paper tiger, And I wasn't the only one, but that's 341 00:17:59,535 --> 00:18:01,855 not what you that's not the message that you got coming out 342 00:18:01,855 --> 00:18:04,335 of the conference, of course, that's not the message you got 343 00:18:04,335 --> 00:18:07,215 from all its supporters, but it was a paper tiger, because it 344 00:18:07,215 --> 00:18:10,675 couldn't stop 1.5, it wouldn't stop emissions from rising, 345 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,400 People wouldn't meet their, obligations either for funding 346 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:20,400 or emissions cuts, and I've been proven right. And, the other 347 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:25,535 skeptics have been proven right. And, honestly, I think the BRICS 348 00:18:25,535 --> 00:18:28,335 people are gonna be more accurate than the COP people 349 00:18:28,335 --> 00:18:31,215 because emissions are gonna continue rising, fossil fuels 350 00:18:31,215 --> 00:18:34,595 are gonna continue to be used, development will continue apace, 351 00:18:34,895 --> 00:18:40,740 and, despite all the gamers' efforts, if that's what's 352 00:18:40,740 --> 00:18:43,060 causing climate change, then climate is gonna continue to 353 00:18:43,060 --> 00:18:45,060 change. That doesn't mean it's a catastrophe. 354 00:18:45,060 --> 00:18:48,740 And and for the people in bricks, it's definitely not a 355 00:18:48,740 --> 00:18:51,620 catastrophe. What it is is a blessing just like the guy just 356 00:18:51,620 --> 00:18:55,585 like the president of of in Baku said. 357 00:18:58,285 --> 00:19:00,685 Jim Lakely: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, India and China, they are, 358 00:19:01,085 --> 00:19:04,605 the 2 most populous countries on Earth. I wasn't it wasn't it the 359 00:19:04,605 --> 00:19:09,400 case of either Linnea or, oh, I guess we lost we lost Anthony 360 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,280 there. We're gonna have to get him back. 361 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,840 I was just gonna ask him this question. But wasn't it the case 362 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:17,160 that India did they walk out of one of the most recent cops? Or 363 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,960 if they haven't walked out, they basically they okay. So they 364 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,535 walked out. And China and India, just those 2 have told, you 365 00:19:24,535 --> 00:19:27,655 know, the United Nations and, like, and the global climate 366 00:19:27,655 --> 00:19:31,575 leaders, to go, buzz off when they show up to these things. 367 00:19:31,575 --> 00:19:35,110 It's almost out of contempt that they show up. And then, like I 368 00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:38,550 said, this they're, the BRICS countries are 45% of the world's 369 00:19:38,550 --> 00:19:42,070 population and 35% of the gross domestic product. Those numbers, 370 00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:44,790 both of them are gonna continue going up as as the power and 371 00:19:44,790 --> 00:19:48,145 influence of the, you know, put it in the way a leftist liked 372 00:19:48,145 --> 00:19:51,265 it. The colonial powers, the old colonial powers is going to 373 00:19:51,265 --> 00:19:53,665 wane, and they and the powers of these countries are gonna go up. 374 00:19:53,665 --> 00:19:56,785 Then, of course, there's Argentina, which, walked 375 00:19:57,185 --> 00:20:01,500 physically walked out of the COP in the middle of it, just the 376 00:20:01,740 --> 00:20:04,320 in, in Azerbaijan just a couple weeks ago. 377 00:20:05,180 --> 00:20:07,260 Linnea Lueken: Well, it's like I I said, you know, when we were 378 00:20:07,260 --> 00:20:11,260 talking about this last time. You know, the the news has been 379 00:20:11,260 --> 00:20:16,225 asking the question, you know, oh, is is the COP, still fit for 380 00:20:16,225 --> 00:20:20,145 purpose? And I still maintain that it is fit for purpose if 381 00:20:20,145 --> 00:20:24,385 that purpose is enjoying a nice dinner and an open bar in exotic 382 00:20:24,385 --> 00:20:28,810 locations and getting to listen to people, you know, who agree 383 00:20:28,810 --> 00:20:32,730 with you for hours and hours on different little, you know, kind 384 00:20:32,730 --> 00:20:38,250 of self congratulatory panels and stuff. It's it's not going 385 00:20:38,250 --> 00:20:44,065 to change, but it would be kinda nice to see fewer and fewer 386 00:20:44,065 --> 00:20:47,825 people pay any attention to these conferences as they become 387 00:20:47,825 --> 00:20:53,150 even more irrelevant than they already were. It it would be 388 00:20:53,150 --> 00:20:56,770 nice to see them no longer making the news even. 389 00:20:57,230 --> 00:20:59,970 I think at that point, they would probably stop having them. 390 00:21:00,350 --> 00:21:02,910 Sterling Burnett: Well, I'm gonna make a prediction. I'm 391 00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:08,105 gonna predict the next cop will get much less media coverage in 392 00:21:08,105 --> 00:21:11,945 part, at least in the US, in part because the delegation from 393 00:21:11,945 --> 00:21:16,025 the US is gonna be much, much smaller than possible it's ever 394 00:21:16,025 --> 00:21:22,710 been before. Yeah. I mean, look, even the last cop, not as only I 395 00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:28,870 think only 2 or or 3, maybe 2 of the, g 7 nations sent their 396 00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:33,030 leaders. The US didn't have its leaders there. 397 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:37,205 France didn't go. Germany's leaders didn't go. China 398 00:21:37,205 --> 00:21:39,765 certainly didn't go. They were at BRICS. Right? 399 00:21:40,645 --> 00:21:45,845 You know, they sent delegations. But, you know, when you're 400 00:21:45,845 --> 00:21:48,960 talking about saving the earth, wouldn't your delegation 401 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,440 wouldn't you think, oh, well, that sort of requires the head 402 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,800 of the country's, participation, even if it's just to show up 403 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,760 and, you know, cut a cut a banner or something, opening the 404 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:08,985 conference. So I think it is a, waning institution and, and 405 00:22:08,985 --> 00:22:11,785 rightly so, and so we'll hear less about it. That's not going 406 00:22:11,785 --> 00:22:14,205 to stop climate alarmism, sadly. 407 00:22:14,585 --> 00:22:16,985 Anthony Watts: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, we're up to 30 almost 408 00:22:16,985 --> 00:22:20,020 now. You know, top 20 9, almost 30 of these things. You know? 409 00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:22,820 And there's one of my favorite graphs out there shows carbon 410 00:22:22,820 --> 00:22:26,260 dioxide going up, up, up, up, and all these markers on there 411 00:22:26,260 --> 00:22:29,540 for all these cop conferences. These people haven't been able 412 00:22:29,540 --> 00:22:33,785 to accomplish anything, and yet they still have their 413 00:22:33,785 --> 00:22:36,265 conference. And, of course, you know, the we've made another 414 00:22:36,265 --> 00:22:38,665 breakthrough right at the last minute and all this other 415 00:22:38,665 --> 00:22:42,505 rubbish. The bottom line is is that it's nothing but a big 416 00:22:42,505 --> 00:22:46,640 party for them to go, schmooze, have some drinks, and go to an 417 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,280 exotic country. That's all these conferences are. 418 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,460 They are accomplishing nothing. 419 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: Well, I I would say I 420 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,200 Jim Lakely: just wanna push back on that just a tad, actually. 421 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:02,325 Something, Joe Rogan had a guest on, I think, 2 episodes ago, 422 00:23:03,025 --> 00:23:09,265 Mike Benz, who is a tech policy, guy, cybersecurity guy. He was 423 00:23:09,265 --> 00:23:12,705 in Trump's administration. He's a fascinating and very, very 424 00:23:12,705 --> 00:23:16,350 educated person on on a lot of stuff, and I recommend people 425 00:23:16,350 --> 00:23:18,830 actually check it out. But he was talking about these kinds 426 00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:23,390 of, global summits and that their purpose isn't to save the 427 00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:23,890 world. 428 00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:27,790 It's to establish a consensus. That's a word that we love 429 00:23:27,790 --> 00:23:31,685 around here. It's consensus. But it is to establish a global 430 00:23:31,685 --> 00:23:34,885 consensus that something must be done. And this takes years years 431 00:23:34,885 --> 00:23:35,865 years to accomplish. 432 00:23:36,165 --> 00:23:38,805 And eventually, you do get to the point where you go to a cop 433 00:23:38,805 --> 00:23:41,685 and everybody is saying the same thing. If we could go, had a 434 00:23:41,685 --> 00:23:44,140 time machine, could go back to the first conference of the 435 00:23:44,140 --> 00:23:47,610 parties of the United Nations, you would see a lot more, let's 436 00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:51,770 say, variety of opinion, and, there would maybe even be 1 or 2 437 00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:54,330 interesting conversations going on. But by the time you get to 438 00:23:54,330 --> 00:23:57,950 COP 29, everybody in the room is a is a absolutely brainwashed 439 00:23:58,010 --> 00:24:01,575 mind nub robot saying exactly the same things over and over. 440 00:24:01,575 --> 00:24:05,435 The the idea is to get the global consensus to do something 441 00:24:05,495 --> 00:24:09,415 about climate change, even if it's not going to work. And that 442 00:24:09,415 --> 00:24:12,935 always turns up to be more government power and going 443 00:24:12,935 --> 00:24:13,995 socialist, basically. 444 00:24:14,410 --> 00:24:18,490 Sterling Burnett: The problem I I I think that analysis is 445 00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:22,110 interesting, Jim, but the problem with it is unlike, say, 446 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:28,270 Super Bowl watching, which goes up, cop watching is going down. 447 00:24:28,625 --> 00:24:36,865 And the the the the status of those who attend cop is not as 448 00:24:36,865 --> 00:24:43,700 high as it was before, when president showed up, when prime 449 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:49,060 ministers showed up, when even, you know, oh, let's go so low 450 00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:53,860 as, you know, a a department of interior head. You know, you're 451 00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:57,860 talking lower level people, and lower level people can agree all 452 00:24:57,860 --> 00:25:00,985 you want. And they can tell their governor, oh, this is what 453 00:25:00,985 --> 00:25:01,945 we agreed to. Okay. 454 00:25:02,345 --> 00:25:04,605 Okay. I don't have time for that. I'm running an election. 455 00:25:06,985 --> 00:25:10,665 In the end, if they're just talking to themselves, I I don't 456 00:25:10,665 --> 00:25:13,725 much care whether they get agreement amongst themselves. 457 00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:19,030 It's whether their national governments then do something. 458 00:25:20,050 --> 00:25:22,450 And they've been talking about doing something, and they've 459 00:25:22,450 --> 00:25:26,610 been trying to do something for decades now. Even before Paris, 460 00:25:26,610 --> 00:25:30,755 there were other agreements. One of them we actually signed as a 461 00:25:30,755 --> 00:25:35,235 treaty in the United States, the very first one, and we missed 462 00:25:35,235 --> 00:25:37,875 the goals. We continually missed the goals, and we're getting and 463 00:25:37,875 --> 00:25:40,115 the goals are getting farther and farther away, not closer and 464 00:25:40,115 --> 00:25:47,190 closer. So, it's it's they may get a consensus, but the 465 00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:49,370 consensus isn't moving action. 466 00:25:50,150 --> 00:25:52,790 And I'm unconvinced it'll ever move that kind of action because 467 00:25:52,790 --> 00:25:57,685 of something like bricks. In the end, leaders want to be leaders. 468 00:25:57,685 --> 00:26:00,885 They wanna be elected. They wanna stay in office, and you 469 00:26:00,885 --> 00:26:02,745 don't do that if you wreck your country. 470 00:26:04,245 --> 00:26:06,645 Jim Lakely: Alright. Alright. Anything to add to that, Anthony 471 00:26:06,645 --> 00:26:09,120 and Linnea, before we move on to item number 3? 472 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,620 Anthony Watts: No. I think that's pretty well covered. My 473 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,980 my point still stands. These folks are accomplishing nothing. 474 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,400 Jim Lakely: That is that is true. Yeah. I mean, even even 475 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,140 with the point I made, I think probably peak, consensus 476 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,525 building was in 2015 at the Paris climate agreement, and 477 00:26:24,525 --> 00:26:26,545 it's been downhill ever since for sure, I think. 478 00:26:26,845 --> 00:26:27,345 Anthony Watts: Right. 479 00:26:27,965 --> 00:26:28,605 Linnea Lueken: And Well, yeah. 480 00:26:28,765 --> 00:26:31,165 Anthony Watts: Climate agreement is nil. You know? It's not 481 00:26:31,165 --> 00:26:33,565 really accomplishing anything either because, oh gosh, we've 482 00:26:33,565 --> 00:26:36,605 already passed 1.5 degrees centigrade. Oh, no. We're going 483 00:26:36,605 --> 00:26:37,140 to die. 484 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:39,720 You know? Yeah. Yeah. 485 00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:45,220 Jim Lakely: Alright. Our third item is, well, it's from our own 486 00:26:45,220 --> 00:26:50,040 Climate Change Weekly, and it is marking the 15th anniversary of, 487 00:26:50,715 --> 00:26:55,595 Climategate. I forgot to give the, we're gonna get to that 488 00:26:55,595 --> 00:26:57,755 meme in a second, Andy. That's this is my fault for the 489 00:26:57,755 --> 00:26:58,555 producer. I forgot 490 00:26:58,555 --> 00:26:59,615 Anthony Watts: to give you the link, 491 00:27:00,155 --> 00:27:03,115 Jim Lakely: to the, climate change weekly that we published 492 00:27:03,115 --> 00:27:06,290 this morning, or I should say last night at heartland.org. 493 00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:10,690 But, climate change weekly is a is a weekly newsletter 494 00:27:10,990 --> 00:27:13,390 newsletter. You should definitely go to 495 00:27:13,390 --> 00:27:18,045 heartland.org/subscribe and subscribe to Climate Change 496 00:27:18,045 --> 00:27:21,165 Weekly. Sterling Burnett works on this, very hard every week. 497 00:27:21,165 --> 00:27:22,685 He takes a week off once in a while. 498 00:27:22,685 --> 00:27:26,545 We still call it Climate Change Weekly. It's fine. But, anyway, 499 00:27:27,165 --> 00:27:32,080 we are marking in Climate Change Weekly number 527. That is the 500 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,720 15th anniversary of, Climategate, the exposure of 501 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,840 basically, having the peer reviewed journals rigged to only 502 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,740 tell one story and a narrative instead of actually, you know, 503 00:27:47,335 --> 00:27:50,455 being scientific and sharing with people the actual data and 504 00:27:50,455 --> 00:27:52,615 science of what's going on. So I'll just read a little bit from 505 00:27:52,615 --> 00:27:56,295 the top here and then I'd love, Anthony and Sterling especially 506 00:27:56,295 --> 00:27:57,995 to talk a little bit more about this. 507 00:27:58,055 --> 00:28:00,695 But, this month does mark the 15th anniversary of Climate Day, 508 00:28:00,695 --> 00:28:04,110 the release of thousands of emails across among climate 509 00:28:04,110 --> 00:28:07,410 scientists showing them behaving very badly. The scientists 510 00:28:07,550 --> 00:28:10,670 colluded and are still colluding to create the perception of a 511 00:28:10,670 --> 00:28:14,190 man made climate crisis based on their preconceptions about the 512 00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:17,075 way the world works, backed by computer model projections, 513 00:28:17,295 --> 00:28:19,775 computer models they helped build, inputting their 514 00:28:19,775 --> 00:28:22,895 assumptions about what affects global temperatures, an instance 515 00:28:22,895 --> 00:28:27,215 of confirmation bias and circular reasoning, or both. By 516 00:28:27,215 --> 00:28:30,430 contrast, real world experience demonstrated and measured data 517 00:28:30,430 --> 00:28:34,290 and trends shows no crisis has occurred despite repeated 518 00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:38,510 predictions, tipping points, and specific terrible events made by 519 00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:43,555 climate scolds, none of which have come to pass. Now, I will 520 00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:47,715 stop there, and and and Anthony and and Sterling, especially, 521 00:28:47,715 --> 00:28:50,755 you can kind of fill in some background because a lot of our 522 00:28:50,755 --> 00:28:53,635 viewers and listeners may not be may not be familiar with 523 00:28:53,635 --> 00:28:56,215 Climategate. Now, there are a lot of very interesting 524 00:28:56,275 --> 00:29:00,690 characters in the story of Climategate and the emails that 525 00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:01,350 went around. 526 00:29:01,970 --> 00:29:06,370 Phil Jones. Of course, Michael Mann is a character in here. I 527 00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:09,490 think all of them are villains pretty much, but they do mention 528 00:29:09,490 --> 00:29:13,055 some heroes in their emails in Climategate, some real 529 00:29:13,055 --> 00:29:16,095 scientists that they are trying to run down and keep out of the 530 00:29:16,095 --> 00:29:18,575 peer reviewed literature. I mean, to me, because we follow 531 00:29:18,575 --> 00:29:20,895 this. This is our, you know, this is our full time job and 532 00:29:20,895 --> 00:29:21,555 our passion. 533 00:29:21,695 --> 00:29:24,415 You know, this scandal was 15 years ago in my mind. It feels 534 00:29:24,415 --> 00:29:29,020 like it was just last year. You know, so, Anthony, what you 535 00:29:29,020 --> 00:29:30,860 wanna start, Anthony? I wanna start with you. But it's like 536 00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:33,420 Anthony Watts: Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. This is what we talked 537 00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:37,020 about. I wanna point out that I broke the climate gate story on 538 00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:38,160 Whatsapp with that.com. 539 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:39,180 Jim Lakely: There you go. 540 00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:42,595 Anthony Watts: I remember it vividly. I was in Europe, and, 541 00:29:44,195 --> 00:29:48,755 my, second in command, Charles Rauter, found the file. The the 542 00:29:48,755 --> 00:29:51,875 file got posted to several websites, including, Real 543 00:29:51,875 --> 00:29:55,330 Climate, and Gavin Schmidt was running interference trying to 544 00:29:55,330 --> 00:29:57,650 make people believe that, oh, this isn't real. Don't pay any 545 00:29:57,650 --> 00:30:00,450 attention to it. And in the process, he verified it. 546 00:30:00,450 --> 00:30:05,650 He accidentally verified that it was real. And so I had I had I 547 00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:08,930 was concerned that this was some kind of a plant. You know? Why 548 00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:13,785 is it showing up while I'm in Europe? And so I made, made the 549 00:30:13,785 --> 00:30:17,805 decision to wait until I got back into the United States 550 00:30:18,025 --> 00:30:19,805 before we published on this. 551 00:30:20,345 --> 00:30:22,825 And that caused a little consternate consternation to 552 00:30:22,825 --> 00:30:25,065 mister Climategate himself. He was wondering, why aren't you 553 00:30:25,065 --> 00:30:28,070 guys publishing this? I couldn't tell him exactly because I 554 00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:30,390 didn't want, you know, someone to pick up on the fact that I 555 00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:32,790 was traveling from outside the United States. Because I was 556 00:30:32,790 --> 00:30:35,430 afraid I wouldn't get back in the country if I published this 557 00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:38,870 thing. Literally, that was, that was a big fear of mine that, you 558 00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:42,215 know, somehow this was a plant that just basically shut me down 559 00:30:42,275 --> 00:30:43,715 or were other websites down. 560 00:30:43,715 --> 00:30:46,455 I just didn't know at that point. And I remember vividly 561 00:30:47,155 --> 00:30:51,235 clearing customs. I was texting with Steve McIntyre and Steve 562 00:30:51,235 --> 00:30:54,935 Mosher and Charles Rotter while I'm standing in line at customs, 563 00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:59,740 saying, you know, I've I've just got 10 minutes before I can do 564 00:30:59,740 --> 00:31:01,100 this. You know? Come on. 565 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:04,700 Come on. Get it out there. And so, literally, once I passed 566 00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:07,760 customs, I went over and found the nearest electrical plug, 567 00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:12,195 pulled out my laptop, sat down on the floor, wrote it, wrote 568 00:31:12,195 --> 00:31:17,955 the release, about Climategate. And I I looked up and I I 569 00:31:17,955 --> 00:31:19,875 realized, wait a minute. My plane's boarding. 570 00:31:19,875 --> 00:31:24,830 And, so I've I've finished it, hit publish, and then ran to the 571 00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:27,790 door. And, literally, I was the last person on the plane. And 572 00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:31,790 back then, they didn't have Wi Fi on planes. So I had 5 and a 573 00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:35,390 half hours between Washington DC and Sacramento, California where 574 00:31:35,390 --> 00:31:38,190 I didn't know what had happened. You know? 575 00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:41,815 I'm just like, what have I done? Right? And so I get off the 576 00:31:41,815 --> 00:31:44,935 plane in Sacramento, and I see if it's going viral and people 577 00:31:44,935 --> 00:31:48,135 are freaking out and all this stuff. And so it was, it was 578 00:31:48,135 --> 00:31:52,135 quite extraordinary. But, the takeaway from all of this is 579 00:31:52,135 --> 00:31:58,100 that we we expose, as you said, Jim, scientists behaving badly, 580 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,700 scientists perverting the peer review process, scientists 581 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,180 fudging and manipulating data. 582 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,975 And then, you know, rather than own up to it, these people and I 583 00:32:09,975 --> 00:32:12,635 don't even wanna call them scientists anymore. These people 584 00:32:13,175 --> 00:32:15,895 decided, well, we're just gonna whitewash this. You know? Rather 585 00:32:15,895 --> 00:32:18,875 than tell the truth, rather than stick to science, rather than 586 00:32:19,015 --> 00:32:22,260 pay attention to what the real data says, they whitewashed it. 587 00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:25,220 They got, you know, these fake investigations going over in 588 00:32:25,220 --> 00:32:29,940 Europe at, at the, in the UK, you know, at the at the climate 589 00:32:29,940 --> 00:32:31,240 research unit there. 590 00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:34,340 They had a couple of them there. They had one with Penn State and 591 00:32:34,340 --> 00:32:37,195 Michael Mann, and they were all whitewashes saying, well, these 592 00:32:37,195 --> 00:32:39,995 people behaved appropriately and blah blah blah. Like, that's a 593 00:32:39,995 --> 00:32:45,835 big load of horseshit. Bottom line is is that we did stop some 594 00:32:45,835 --> 00:32:50,960 advancement of climate alarmism with that, but they went back to 595 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,460 business as usual once they finished damage control. 596 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,400 Jim Lakely: Yeah. And and just to just a little bit more 597 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,120 background for a third to you, Sterling, is that, you know, 598 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,800 Climategate, this this was the exposure of, more than a 1000 599 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,515 documents, I think mostly emails, that were from the 600 00:33:05,515 --> 00:33:09,995 climactic research unit at East Anglia University, and it really 601 00:33:09,995 --> 00:33:14,715 exposed what was going on behind the scenes, among the, you know, 602 00:33:14,715 --> 00:33:18,880 the the climate consensus pushers, and how they were 603 00:33:19,020 --> 00:33:21,500 basically conspiring with each other on a global scale. It's 604 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,220 like, you know, sometimes a conspiracy theory is not a 605 00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:27,100 conspiracy theory. It's a spoiler it's a spoiler alert, 606 00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,360 and that was the case, for this. 607 00:33:30,635 --> 00:33:32,095 Anthony Watts: Right. And we have, 608 00:33:33,035 --> 00:33:33,195 Jim Lakely: you 609 00:33:33,195 --> 00:33:35,595 Anthony Watts: know, we have all kinds of of stuff leading up to 610 00:33:35,595 --> 00:33:38,875 this. One of the things that Steve McIntyre was doing was 611 00:33:38,875 --> 00:33:42,635 making, you know, new FOIA request. And one of the most 612 00:33:42,635 --> 00:33:45,455 famous emails that came out of it was from Phil Jones, 613 00:33:46,270 --> 00:33:49,490 basically saying, if they ever find out that we have an FOIA 614 00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:53,870 law here in the UK, we're in trouble. Yeah. I mean, 615 00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:56,850 seriously, what what further admission do you need? 616 00:33:57,150 --> 00:33:57,390 Yeah. 617 00:33:57,390 --> 00:34:00,945 Sterling Burnett: Well, you know, they had look. They they 618 00:34:00,945 --> 00:34:05,265 said they said oh, you got put in context. No. No. No. 619 00:34:05,265 --> 00:34:10,225 The words speak for themselves. The you know, when you say, I've 620 00:34:10,225 --> 00:34:16,850 done a little trick and got rid of the medieval, the, the the 621 00:34:16,850 --> 00:34:21,250 little ice age. That speaks for itself. I did a little trick and 622 00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:24,690 got it. And I and and the other researchers are saying, I need 623 00:34:24,690 --> 00:34:27,170 to figure out his little trick or get his trick from him so I 624 00:34:27,170 --> 00:34:28,275 can do it in my data. 625 00:34:28,355 --> 00:34:30,755 Jim Lakely: Yeah. Mike's Mike's Mike's nature trick, 626 00:34:30,755 --> 00:34:32,275 Anthony Watts: I think, is what we're doing on it. That's 627 00:34:32,275 --> 00:34:36,275 exactly it. And basically, what it is, they they, tacked on the 628 00:34:36,275 --> 00:34:39,235 big instrumental temperature record to the proxy record, but 629 00:34:39,235 --> 00:34:42,775 stopped the proxy record of of tree rings after about 1960. 630 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,120 Because instead of heading up like it was supposed to, it was 631 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,760 heading down, and that was inconvenient. So what do they 632 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,000 do? 633 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,820 They slap on the instrumental record to take 2 dissimilar 634 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,855 datasets that should never be displayed in the same graph, put 635 00:34:55,855 --> 00:34:58,575 them together, and publish it that way as if everything's all 636 00:34:58,575 --> 00:35:01,855 hunky dory because the instrumental record went up. You 637 00:35:01,855 --> 00:35:05,395 know? And the the tree room record went down. Basically, 638 00:35:05,455 --> 00:35:10,010 they they, they subsumed science with this process. 639 00:35:10,070 --> 00:35:12,310 Sterling Burnett: And and so it's what they did with the 640 00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:16,310 science, and it's what they did to cover up what they did with 641 00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:19,910 the science that's detailed in these emails. It's what they did 642 00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:23,905 to suppress science that disagreed with their positions 643 00:35:24,205 --> 00:35:29,005 that, you know, it it was a complete corruption in the field 644 00:35:29,005 --> 00:35:33,645 of climate science from the research itself, from the data 645 00:35:33,645 --> 00:35:41,240 manipulation to the suppression, the active suppression of other 646 00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:45,700 research, in up to and including attempting to get editors of 647 00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:52,885 journals fired for publishing inconvenient research. And then, 648 00:35:53,665 --> 00:35:57,685 honestly, breaking the law when they they're supposed to keep, 649 00:35:59,185 --> 00:36:03,025 all this information that they have, and they have emails 650 00:36:03,025 --> 00:36:08,690 saying, get rid of all your emails. Destroy them before they 651 00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:10,770 have to be released under freedom of information. They 652 00:36:10,770 --> 00:36:13,670 can't they can't read what doesn't exist anymore. 653 00:36:14,050 --> 00:36:18,495 It was all supposed to be saved, and and, it shows them doing 654 00:36:18,495 --> 00:36:21,695 this. It shows them ignoring Freedom of Information Act 655 00:36:21,695 --> 00:36:24,895 request. Just, honestly, just a few years ago, this is still 656 00:36:24,895 --> 00:36:29,850 happening. This is an ongoing, issue. Just a few years ago, 657 00:36:30,250 --> 00:36:33,290 researchers at the, is either Arizona State or the University 658 00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:33,850 of Arizona. 659 00:36:33,850 --> 00:36:36,810 I don't wanna, say which one because I'm not sure. It's one 660 00:36:36,810 --> 00:36:39,930 of those 2. The the Arizona Supreme Court said you have to 661 00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:43,725 release these emails. This this is, like, 12 years on. It's 662 00:36:43,725 --> 00:36:44,865 public emails. 663 00:36:44,925 --> 00:36:49,885 It's not your private property. It was emails done in your role 664 00:36:49,885 --> 00:36:55,345 as professor at at the university on university, 665 00:36:56,765 --> 00:37:01,360 computers through the university system. It is public. You must 666 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,480 release. And, of course, what they were trying not to release 667 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,800 was stuff that undermines the climate alarm narrative, and 668 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,420 that's what it comes down to is. 669 00:37:11,765 --> 00:37:17,125 These are researchers who get 1,000,000 of dollars, as long as 670 00:37:17,125 --> 00:37:22,485 they keep the narrative going. Yeah. If if if if we come to the 671 00:37:22,485 --> 00:37:26,600 point where we all agree climate change is not causing a climate 672 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,200 a catastrophe that's gonna destroy the earth, then we move 673 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,640 on to other things. And they not only do they have egg on their 674 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,775 face, their reputations are are are are ruined, but they don't 675 00:37:38,775 --> 00:37:41,095 get the money. They don't bring the money into the universities. 676 00:37:41,095 --> 00:37:47,355 And so the universities have a, an incentive to fight to distort 677 00:37:47,415 --> 00:37:49,435 science for their own benefit. 678 00:37:49,655 --> 00:37:53,510 Jim Lakely: Yeah. Liz, as as Anthony pointed out earlier, and 679 00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:56,230 you can go to heartland.org. Right there, one of the the one 680 00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:58,950 of the three featured items on our front page is this week's 681 00:37:58,950 --> 00:38:01,750 Climate Change Weekly where you can read this stuff. Andy has 682 00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:04,895 found the original post from, from What's Up With That and is 683 00:38:04,895 --> 00:38:07,155 going through some stuff. But as he was scrolling through, guys, 684 00:38:07,215 --> 00:38:10,255 there's there's a a part here about the emails about the 685 00:38:10,255 --> 00:38:11,955 manipulation of temperature data. 686 00:38:12,175 --> 00:38:15,375 And, doctor Tom Wigley of the University Corporation For 687 00:38:15,375 --> 00:38:19,280 Atmospheric Research, in an email to Phil Jones on September 688 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,600 28, 2008, said, quote, if you look at the attached plot, you 689 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,960 will see that the land also shows the 19 forties warming 690 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,385 blip, as I'm sure you know. So if we could reduce the ocean 691 00:38:30,385 --> 00:38:34,545 blip by, say, 0.15 degrees Celsius, then this would be 692 00:38:34,545 --> 00:38:37,585 significant for the global mean, but we still have to explain the 693 00:38:37,585 --> 00:38:42,065 land blip. And so when we talk about on this show that the the 694 00:38:42,065 --> 00:38:45,930 consensus scientists that the, the gate kept scientific, 695 00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:49,190 establishment that does not allow anybody else with actual 696 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:52,310 data to question anything they do, when we say that they're 697 00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:55,510 hiding the decline, that the you can't trust their data because 698 00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:58,310 they wanna hide it, and when they talk to themselves in 699 00:38:58,310 --> 00:39:01,405 private, they talk about manipulating the data so that it 700 00:39:01,405 --> 00:39:03,645 fits a narrative instead of telling people what's actually 701 00:39:03,645 --> 00:39:05,345 happening on the planet. 702 00:39:06,445 --> 00:39:09,165 Anthony Watts: Right. You know? I think and it it boils down to 703 00:39:09,165 --> 00:39:09,885 money. Yeah. Really. 704 00:39:09,885 --> 00:39:13,245 I mean, it go back to Watergate and follow the money. The money 705 00:39:13,245 --> 00:39:17,800 is what really is the issue here. If they if if they 706 00:39:18,020 --> 00:39:21,140 suddenly discovered, well, climate change isn't the big 707 00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:25,300 deal we thought it was and admitted that, then all the 708 00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:27,880 money would dry up because there's no crisis anymore. 709 00:39:28,785 --> 00:39:32,865 Instead, it it's exactly the reverse. What these guys are 710 00:39:32,865 --> 00:39:39,925 doing is is following the maximum, money talks, bullshit 711 00:39:39,985 --> 00:39:40,485 multiplies. 712 00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:44,860 Right? That's what's going on here. They're just Something 713 00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,720 like that. Making it higher and deeper. 714 00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:49,700 Jim Lakely: Yeah. Alright. Well, as mentioned earlier 715 00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:51,980 Sterling Burnett: Here's here's one quote I'd like. I I like 716 00:39:51,980 --> 00:39:52,300 this. 717 00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:53,100 Jim Lakely: It's just One more quote. 718 00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:56,355 Sterling Burnett: Yep. Keith, which Keith Briffa, Keith's 719 00:39:56,355 --> 00:39:59,315 series differs in large part in exactly the opposite direction 720 00:39:59,315 --> 00:40:02,515 that Phil Jones does from ours. This is the problem we all 721 00:40:02,515 --> 00:40:05,235 picked up on, and everyone in the room at IPCC is in agreement 722 00:40:05,235 --> 00:40:07,655 that this was a problem and a potential distraction, 723 00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:12,100 detraction from reasonably consensus viewpoint we'd like to 724 00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:16,020 show. Basically, it's when they run into a problem, when they 725 00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:21,140 run into inconvenient data, their response is, how do we get 726 00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:25,595 rid of? How do we manipulate the data to change what the results 727 00:40:25,595 --> 00:40:28,555 actually are, and how do we suppress the original data? 728 00:40:28,555 --> 00:40:32,735 And it goes on. Right. You know, there's one one that says, this 729 00:40:32,795 --> 00:40:36,015 this is really inconvenient for us. How how do we do that? 730 00:40:36,220 --> 00:40:38,480 Anthony Watts: Yeah. That's not science. That is sophistry. 731 00:40:39,020 --> 00:40:41,740 Jim Lakely: No. And it's it's it's false narrative building. 732 00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:43,740 It has nothing to do with science, and that's what it's 733 00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:46,220 always been and has been. And that's why this show exists. You 734 00:40:46,220 --> 00:40:47,500 know, actually, it's kind of ironic. 735 00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:50,915 If it wasn't for Climategate in 2009, their pop this show 736 00:40:50,915 --> 00:40:52,835 probably wouldn't exist because we wouldn't need to be here 737 00:40:52,835 --> 00:40:56,515 because, you know, if they were telling the truth about about 738 00:40:56,515 --> 00:40:59,635 the the data that we have around the Earth and instead of 739 00:40:59,635 --> 00:41:02,435 exaggerating or, frankly, just making things up, there would 740 00:41:02,435 --> 00:41:05,590 not be a need for a climate realism show. This would be just 741 00:41:05,590 --> 00:41:08,070 the climate science show. I mean, we talk about science a 742 00:41:08,070 --> 00:41:10,630 lot more, but we have to push back at the narrative because 743 00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:13,190 that's what everybody hears for sure. We do cover science here 744 00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:15,350 quite a bit, though, actually. So alright. 745 00:41:15,590 --> 00:41:19,135 Let's let's pop up our meme of the week, and that is this one 746 00:41:19,135 --> 00:41:22,015 that, that is actually part of the Climate Change Weekly 747 00:41:22,015 --> 00:41:25,455 publication this week from Smellingbirdett. It's a, just 748 00:41:25,455 --> 00:41:29,055 for those just listening, it's a, some cows frolicking in a 749 00:41:29,055 --> 00:41:31,775 field, and it says the amount of methane released from a single 750 00:41:31,775 --> 00:41:36,190 blade of grass wouldn't change if it was just left to decompose 751 00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:40,570 or if it was eaten by a cow. Yet we now live in a world in which, 752 00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:44,170 Bill Gates is trying to give drugs to cows to make them fart 753 00:41:44,170 --> 00:41:48,185 less to save the planet, and, you know, all silliness ensues 754 00:41:48,185 --> 00:41:50,905 from there. So I actually didn't know that. I you know? 755 00:41:50,905 --> 00:41:54,425 So this is a meme. We found this. I will not vouch for its 756 00:41:54,425 --> 00:41:57,465 accuracy. Does anybody on this show know that if that is a 757 00:41:57,465 --> 00:42:00,250 actual true claim? Does the methane release, but the 758 00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:03,610 decomposing blade of grass in a field equate that from the, 759 00:42:04,090 --> 00:42:07,870 methane parted out by a cow for that one single blade of grass? 760 00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:13,775 Linnea Lueken: I'm not sure that that's correct because you're 761 00:42:13,775 --> 00:42:17,875 gonna have different chemical, but it's probably it's probably 762 00:42:19,375 --> 00:42:22,755 partially correct. I think that probably the chemical reactions 763 00:42:22,815 --> 00:42:25,615 involved in the decomposition are different, and so you'll 764 00:42:25,615 --> 00:42:29,540 have a different amount of methane released. But we'll also 765 00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:33,780 say that the the methane issue is such a nonissue when it comes 766 00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:38,820 to, the amount of influence that it has on on, you know, heat 767 00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:42,225 absorption in the atmosphere anyway that it this, it's a wash 768 00:42:42,225 --> 00:42:45,825 either way. The thing that makes it a real difference with 769 00:42:45,825 --> 00:42:49,105 regards to this meme is, you know, the cow is gonna make it 770 00:42:49,105 --> 00:42:51,925 release a lot sooner than waiting for the grass to die. 771 00:42:52,065 --> 00:42:53,205 Anthony Watts: Oh, that's true. 772 00:42:54,065 --> 00:42:55,825 Linnea Lueken: But I I don't know if I would say that that's 773 00:42:55,825 --> 00:42:56,565 a problem. 774 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,840 Jim Lakely: Alright. Alright. Well, we don't vouch for the 775 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,240 accuracy of that meme, but it is kinda funny. Alright. We'll move 776 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:01,740 on. 777 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,720 You could do your own research. 778 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,320 Anthony Watts: Know this. If they're making drugs for cows to 779 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,460 keep them from making methane, is that made in a meth lab? 780 00:43:09,635 --> 00:43:11,875 Jim Lakely: Oh, where's the come on, Andy. You're a little slow 781 00:43:11,875 --> 00:43:13,075 on the on the rim shot there. 782 00:43:13,075 --> 00:43:14,295 Sterling Burnett: The rim shot. 783 00:43:16,195 --> 00:43:19,015 Jim Lakely: Yeah. Here we go. Alright. Yeah. Alright. 784 00:43:19,075 --> 00:43:21,715 Okay. Okay. Alright. So we're gonna go to our main topic, 785 00:43:22,035 --> 00:43:27,440 today, and that is, on this EPA. Scandal. 786 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,080 This is a scandal. It it's it would be a scandal if our, 787 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:35,600 mainstream media was interested in reporting scandals anymore, 788 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,440 but they are not. And this is from our friends over at Project 789 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,325 Veritas. EPA adviser admits insurance policy against Trump 790 00:43:44,325 --> 00:43:47,845 is funneling billions to climate organizations, quote, we're 791 00:43:47,845 --> 00:43:53,700 throwing gold bars off the Titanic. You know, I was I I 792 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:54,660 could read from this. 793 00:43:54,660 --> 00:43:57,460 Let's just say that this is a one of those classic Project 794 00:43:57,460 --> 00:44:01,140 Veritas sting operations, where they have a hidden camera and 795 00:44:01,140 --> 00:44:04,740 basically kinda do a honeypot operation, where you take an 796 00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:09,255 unsuspecting, corrupt government bureaucrat out for a few drinks. 797 00:44:09,715 --> 00:44:12,515 And I guess by drink 3 or so, they just start talking and 798 00:44:12,515 --> 00:44:15,735 can't shut their yaps, and so they start giving away the game 799 00:44:15,875 --> 00:44:18,675 of what's really going on in our government behind the scenes. So 800 00:44:18,675 --> 00:44:20,915 instead of reading some of the story, we can get into the 801 00:44:20,915 --> 00:44:25,130 details of it. I wanna play, Andy, if you will, EPA scam 802 00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:26,030 video, please. 803 00:44:26,250 --> 00:44:27,930 Speaker 1: Just have to get the money out as fast as possible 804 00:44:27,930 --> 00:44:30,997 before they come in and, like, pop it up. It truly feels like 805 00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:33,945 it's like Ramas Titanic or throwing, like, gold bars off 806 00:44:34,905 --> 00:44:38,985 the top hat. Who are the gold bars going to? On top, it's 807 00:44:38,985 --> 00:44:42,905 states, tribes. We gave them the money because it was harder if 808 00:44:42,905 --> 00:44:45,645 it was a government run program, they could make the money away. 809 00:44:45,865 --> 00:44:47,725 Andy Singer: No. If Trump won and because 810 00:44:48,850 --> 00:44:51,250 Speaker 1: it was a it was a experience policy against Trump 811 00:44:51,250 --> 00:44:54,210 winning. Until the Trump people come in and tell us they can 812 00:44:54,210 --> 00:44:57,170 longer give up money. So I do, you know, the inflation 813 00:44:57,170 --> 00:44:59,970 reduction back? Yes. Okay. 814 00:44:59,970 --> 00:45:05,485 Biden's climate law? Yes. Yeah. So I do entire implementation. I 815 00:45:05,485 --> 00:45:07,745 work with, like, Biden appointees. 816 00:45:08,445 --> 00:45:11,725 It's a company that we've given out. We've given out, like, tens 817 00:45:11,725 --> 00:45:14,685 of 1,000,000,000 of dollars, like, over the last year. I'm 818 00:45:14,685 --> 00:45:17,345 glad I can give out, like, $50,000,000. $50,000,000. 819 00:45:17,475 --> 00:45:17,725 $50,000,000. 820 00:45:17,725 --> 00:45:21,490 $50,000,000. $50,000,000. Philly would be. $50,000,000,000. Yes. 821 00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:24,690 For Climate Bank. So, like, to go work for one of these places, 822 00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:27,650 I think we'll be really good. What what are the places that 823 00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:31,250 you've given them to? It's only been a few weeks, so it's a 824 00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:34,955 little more. But, like Green Bay. 825 00:45:35,015 --> 00:45:38,135 So, like, so, you know, like, nonprofit institutions that are, 826 00:45:38,135 --> 00:45:42,695 like, making it more financially feasible to build renewables to 827 00:45:42,695 --> 00:45:47,210 do, like, climate projects. I do implementation now. So I do, 828 00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:51,370 like like, how do you spend a $100,000,000,000? How do you 829 00:45:51,370 --> 00:45:54,270 make sure that, like, they're the prop well, until recently, 830 00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:57,050 how do you make sure the proper, like, process are in place to, 831 00:45:57,050 --> 00:46:00,010 like, prevent Todd and prevent the users and, like, ensure 832 00:46:00,010 --> 00:46:05,605 that, like, we are funding, like, good paying jobs and and 833 00:46:05,605 --> 00:46:07,445 that sort of stuff. That's not now it's just how to get the 834 00:46:07,445 --> 00:46:09,685 money out as fast as possible before they come in and, like, 835 00:46:09,685 --> 00:46:10,325 talk to them. 836 00:46:10,325 --> 00:46:13,445 Really? Yeah. No. I think we gave them the money because it 837 00:46:13,445 --> 00:46:15,845 was harder if it was a government run program, they 838 00:46:15,845 --> 00:46:16,360 could the 839 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,440 Andy Singer: money away. No. If Trump won 840 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: and because it was a it was a experienced policy 841 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,000 against Trump winning. So, like, these are basically, like, 842 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,040 nonprofit institutions that will cover the entire country. They 843 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,280 could have been in a government agency, but because they aren't, 844 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,985 they're safer. From publicanization than we have 845 00:46:32,985 --> 00:46:36,845 been. You guys are, like, saving saving the world, literally. 846 00:46:36,905 --> 00:46:37,145 Anthony Watts: I don't 847 00:46:37,145 --> 00:46:39,305 Speaker 1: know if we are, but I'm just they're throwing gold 848 00:46:39,305 --> 00:46:40,845 bars up at their clinic. Yeah. 849 00:46:41,865 --> 00:46:45,100 Jim Lakely: Yeah. Alright. Yeah. So that's that's any god. That 850 00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:48,620 is so it is so offensive and so it just builds up a little bit 851 00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:49,580 of rage to me, to be honest. 852 00:46:49,580 --> 00:46:52,140 I mean, this is a guy. His his name is Brent Efron. He's a 853 00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:56,940 special adviser, implementing Biden's climate agenda. His his 854 00:46:56,940 --> 00:47:00,295 role is to is to find a way, the fastest way possible, possible, 855 00:47:00,755 --> 00:47:02,229 to shovel literally $100,000,000,000 worth of grants 856 00:47:02,229 --> 00:47:04,275 under, the so called inflation reduction act. And, as he says 857 00:47:04,275 --> 00:47:08,355 right there, normally you know, in a normal thing, they would 858 00:47:08,355 --> 00:47:14,170 take some time to make sure that, there wouldn't any be 859 00:47:14,170 --> 00:47:16,890 fraud or abuse, and the plate the targets for the money would 860 00:47:16,890 --> 00:47:19,210 would check out, and they would do do good with it. 861 00:47:19,210 --> 00:47:21,130 They don't have time for that anymore. Nope. They're just 862 00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:23,850 gonna shovel it out the door. All the checks and balances are 863 00:47:23,850 --> 00:47:26,685 gone, and and literally their goal is to get as much money 864 00:47:26,685 --> 00:47:29,265 into the hands of nongovernmental organizations, 865 00:47:29,405 --> 00:47:33,645 NGOs, quote, unquote, as possible because that money will 866 00:47:33,645 --> 00:47:36,125 be untraceable. You won't be able to get it back. 867 00:47:36,125 --> 00:47:39,870 It'll be gone forever. And to me, this is really about as 868 00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:42,910 corrupt as it gets and is a great example of what it is when 869 00:47:42,910 --> 00:47:46,270 you have the partnership between NGOs and the government. It's 870 00:47:46,270 --> 00:47:49,710 not really that's not really a nongovernmental organization. If 871 00:47:49,710 --> 00:47:54,085 an NGO is taking if if NGOs are taking $100,000,000,000 from 872 00:47:54,085 --> 00:47:56,325 government, they are a government agent. They are not a 873 00:47:56,325 --> 00:47:57,325 nongovernmental organization. 874 00:47:57,605 --> 00:47:58,405 Sterling Burnett: Extension of government. 875 00:47:58,405 --> 00:48:00,505 Jim Lakely: So who who's Mattis? Who wants to go first? 876 00:48:00,565 --> 00:48:02,805 Anthony Watts: Well, well, I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna go 877 00:48:02,805 --> 00:48:05,710 back to what I said a few minutes ago. Money talks, 878 00:48:05,710 --> 00:48:08,210 bullshit multiplies. Here it is right there. 879 00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:12,290 Sterling Burnett: I I've been covering this for some time, 880 00:48:13,310 --> 00:48:15,950 back in Climate Change Weekly and some other, I was 881 00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:19,015 interviewed about this back in the middle of summer because 882 00:48:19,015 --> 00:48:22,295 they were shoveling money out the door before. Look. The 883 00:48:22,295 --> 00:48:25,895 inflation reduction act is on congress's shoulders. They 884 00:48:25,895 --> 00:48:27,495 passed it. They lied about it. 885 00:48:27,495 --> 00:48:29,895 I mean, they gave it a title called inflation reduction act 886 00:48:29,895 --> 00:48:36,010 and increased inflation. They, the green spending some of the 887 00:48:36,010 --> 00:48:42,170 money they gave, like, in in the summer were to nonprofits, to 888 00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:47,525 community based nonprofits under the climate justice, 889 00:48:47,525 --> 00:48:52,725 environmental justice provisions of Biden's executive orders. And 890 00:48:52,725 --> 00:48:55,445 to give you an example of some of the organizations is, they 891 00:48:55,445 --> 00:48:58,840 they gave they gave, I think it was either a 1,000,000,000 or 892 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:05,160 $500,000,000 to an organization who the previous year had, a 893 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:11,625 total of something like $25100, come through its account. It 894 00:49:11,625 --> 00:49:17,625 didn't even have a full time employee. It was it was working 895 00:49:17,625 --> 00:49:21,085 in the community to, to help poor people. 896 00:49:21,225 --> 00:49:25,150 So they give them all this money to, help poor people adjust to 897 00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:29,310 climate change, to to build, you know, community action on 898 00:49:29,310 --> 00:49:34,290 climate change, and to, retrofit, you know, homes with 899 00:49:34,590 --> 00:49:36,990 climate friendly technologies and things like that. But the 900 00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:43,025 point is it had like a part time guy who had no idea how to 901 00:49:43,025 --> 00:49:45,825 handle 100 of 1,000,000, 1,000,000 of dollars. And that 902 00:49:45,825 --> 00:49:48,065 was just one instance because there was like 5 or 6 903 00:49:48,065 --> 00:49:50,865 organizations that were all the same in that regard. None of 904 00:49:50,865 --> 00:49:53,730 them were large organizations. None of them had any kind of 905 00:49:53,730 --> 00:49:58,290 budgets that that were in a $1,000,000, or or even half a 906 00:49:58,290 --> 00:50:02,230 $1,000,000,000, much less, a 1,000,000,000, 500,000,000. 907 00:50:03,330 --> 00:50:07,615 And as he said, or as was pointed out, yeah, there's no 908 00:50:07,615 --> 00:50:11,215 tracking. There's no we we don't know if they have proper 909 00:50:11,215 --> 00:50:15,215 accounting in place. There'll be no way to account for it. My 910 00:50:15,215 --> 00:50:18,015 suspicion is these organizations will grow dramatically. They 911 00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:20,870 will have offices, not be working out of someone's home, 912 00:50:21,090 --> 00:50:25,970 that will hire multiple people, and that there won't be much 913 00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:29,970 accomplished other than to pad the the pocketbooks of, the 914 00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:34,145 people who run the organization, who set it up, maybe initially 915 00:50:34,145 --> 00:50:40,065 with a noble purpose, and their employees now, and waste 916 00:50:40,065 --> 00:50:41,125 taxpayer dollars. 917 00:50:41,185 --> 00:50:45,125 And, it will be like the green climate fund internationally, 918 00:50:45,585 --> 00:50:51,990 where they can't account for 40% of the money they've sent out of 919 00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:55,270 a of a $100,000,000,000. They can't account for more than 920 00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:57,750 40,000,000,000 of how it was spent. And other stuff that they 921 00:50:57,750 --> 00:51:00,790 can't account for, a lot of it's not for climate stuff. It's like 922 00:51:00,790 --> 00:51:05,475 for a love film, a love story that was filmed in, in Argentina 923 00:51:05,615 --> 00:51:12,755 or gelato shops, in developing countries. So it's a disgrace. 924 00:51:13,375 --> 00:51:17,050 It's it's our money. It's future generations money because we all 925 00:51:17,050 --> 00:51:20,090 know it's done with deficit spending. Future generations 926 00:51:20,090 --> 00:51:25,370 money and, you know, we should never allow bills like this to 927 00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:28,590 pass again. Not with that kind of discretionary funding. No. 928 00:51:28,875 --> 00:51:33,275 Jim Lakely: Well, Anthony, you know, Donald Trump's been 929 00:51:33,275 --> 00:51:35,915 getting a lot of guff. I know he just appointed Lee Zeldin as the 930 00:51:35,915 --> 00:51:39,035 new head of the EPA, and, you know, guys like you and me hope 931 00:51:39,035 --> 00:51:43,275 that Lee Zeldin goes in there, and and with a chainsaw and 932 00:51:43,275 --> 00:51:46,330 start sawing desks at half and throwing people out. You know? 933 00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:50,730 But the the idea that the EPA is, one, qualified to give to 934 00:51:50,730 --> 00:51:53,850 figure out how to dole out at least a $100,000,000,000 worth 935 00:51:53,850 --> 00:51:57,370 of grants, when it isn't, and that that's not what its purpose 936 00:51:57,370 --> 00:52:00,435 is, actually. It's to is to protect our clean our our air 937 00:52:00,435 --> 00:52:01,715 and water and all that stuff. 938 00:52:01,715 --> 00:52:06,675 But the idea that these these these government agencies, are 939 00:52:06,675 --> 00:52:09,395 pristine and they're out they're out looking for the best 940 00:52:09,395 --> 00:52:12,870 interests of the Earth and of the American people is belied by 941 00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:15,110 the idea that this is a completely corrupt process. In 942 00:52:15,110 --> 00:52:17,830 fact, the guy even said in that interview that he knows he's 943 00:52:17,830 --> 00:52:21,110 gonna be fired when Trump comes in, so he's hoping to land a job 944 00:52:21,110 --> 00:52:24,070 in one of these, NGOs that he just helped give 1,000,000,000 945 00:52:24,070 --> 00:52:24,735 of dollars to. 946 00:52:24,975 --> 00:52:27,295 Anthony Watts: Exactly. Yeah. It it's just criminal. The whole 947 00:52:27,295 --> 00:52:29,935 thing is it's a criminal enterprise. That's all I can 948 00:52:29,935 --> 00:52:30,435 say. 949 00:52:30,495 --> 00:52:33,455 I mean, basically, they're going in the through the process of 950 00:52:33,455 --> 00:52:38,160 money money laundering of public fund, public tax dollars. And 951 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,380 there are laws against this, but yet they're not being enforced. 952 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,120 I don't know if we can bring it up or not, but we just had a a 953 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,500 report from Fox News. I put it up on the private chat channel. 954 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:52,355 A link they're talking about that the EPA has just made their 955 00:52:52,355 --> 00:52:54,115 first ever climate change arrest. 956 00:52:54,115 --> 00:52:56,295 While they're giving out 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000, 957 00:52:56,595 --> 00:53:01,795 they're arresting someone for not doing whatever obscure law 958 00:53:01,795 --> 00:53:05,610 they're throwing at him, you know, because they're destroying 959 00:53:05,610 --> 00:53:08,330 the planet. Meanwhile, these guys are destroying the 960 00:53:08,330 --> 00:53:10,270 treasury. It's it's just criminal. 961 00:53:10,650 --> 00:53:12,650 Jim Lakely: Anthony, you're just jealous that the first ever 962 00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:16,270 climate arrest by EPA was not you. You wanted to make history. 963 00:53:17,685 --> 00:53:21,065 Anthony Watts: Well, you know, the I I I wish him well, but, 964 00:53:21,285 --> 00:53:23,705 gosh, I don't know if that's something I really want. 965 00:53:25,205 --> 00:53:26,505 Jim Lakely: Well, call me surprised. 966 00:53:26,885 --> 00:53:28,965 Sterling Burnett: I have a feeling it might be voided very 967 00:53:28,965 --> 00:53:29,465 shortly. 968 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,360 Jim Lakely: Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. I mean, that that's 969 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:32,760 the thing. 970 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:37,480 So so, you know, you know, the the change of the changeover of 971 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,760 power can't happen soon enough, and it just, I'm glad for 972 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,365 Project Veritas for highlighting the fact that EPA is corrupt and 973 00:53:44,365 --> 00:53:47,965 corruptly shoveling money out the door to their left wing, so 974 00:53:47,965 --> 00:53:51,245 called NGOs, all these green groups out there. And I will 975 00:53:51,245 --> 00:53:53,725 point out the Heartland Institute, as almost everybody 976 00:53:53,725 --> 00:53:56,765 listening and watching the show realizes, we are also a 977 00:53:56,765 --> 00:54:02,570 nonprofit 501c3 organization. We would be, fairly categorized as 978 00:54:02,570 --> 00:54:05,870 an NGO or a nongovernmental organization or an educational 979 00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:09,290 organization. We have never taken a single cent from any 980 00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:13,305 government, either federal or state or local, ever. We never 981 00:54:13,305 --> 00:54:13,665 will. 982 00:54:13,745 --> 00:54:18,085 We stand by our principles, and we our job is to advance truth 983 00:54:18,305 --> 00:54:21,665 and encourage conversations like this one on what's really 984 00:54:21,665 --> 00:54:25,265 happening to the planet. There is a lot of scamming going on 985 00:54:25,265 --> 00:54:28,220 out there in the nonprofit world. And if a nonprofit is 986 00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:30,620 getting money from the government, in my opinion, they 987 00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:34,220 can't be trusted. And I think, the more people know that, the 988 00:54:34,220 --> 00:54:34,720 better. 989 00:54:36,460 --> 00:54:39,260 Speaker 1: Alright. With that with that, you know, we're 990 00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:39,500 trying to 991 00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:40,540 Jim Lakely: well, that wasn't very fun. 992 00:54:40,540 --> 00:54:42,825 Anthony Watts: I think we we need a, I think we need a new 993 00:54:42,825 --> 00:54:47,165 feature. We need, a disgust o meter. You know? 994 00:54:49,305 --> 00:54:52,025 Jim Lakely: Well, we'll probably peg that thing every time. So 995 00:54:52,665 --> 00:54:53,945 Sterling Burnett: I'll vomit, though. A vomit. 996 00:54:53,945 --> 00:54:54,745 Jim Lakely: Yeah. Levitt. Levitt. 997 00:54:54,745 --> 00:54:57,085 Linnea Lueken: Levitt does not exist. It will just 998 00:54:57,530 --> 00:54:59,690 Sterling Burnett: it'll just But it would be it would be it would 999 00:54:59,690 --> 00:55:02,890 be it would be like spinal taps, amp amp 1000 00:55:03,210 --> 00:55:04,670 Anthony Watts: Goes to 11. To 11. 1001 00:55:05,050 --> 00:55:07,290 Jim Lakely: That's right. That's right. It goes to 11 every time. 1002 00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:08,490 Alright. Well, thank thanks, guys. 1003 00:55:08,490 --> 00:55:11,130 I thought that was a a great rundown of that, and, we'll stay 1004 00:55:11,130 --> 00:55:14,935 on top of this EPA green, cash scam. Maybe, maybe it can be 1005 00:55:14,935 --> 00:55:18,215 stopped. Maybe they'll be embarrassed and not send out all 1006 00:55:18,215 --> 00:55:20,455 the money. I guess we'll find out. And if we find out, we'll 1007 00:55:20,455 --> 00:55:21,095 share it with you. 1008 00:55:21,095 --> 00:55:25,255 Let's get on to our favorite part of the show other than 1009 00:55:25,255 --> 00:55:28,730 crazy climate news, and that is the q and a, with Linea, who's 1010 00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:31,210 gonna run through the questions you guys have left in the chat. 1011 00:55:31,210 --> 00:55:32,670 So take it away, Linea. 1012 00:55:33,770 --> 00:55:36,490 Linnea Lueken: Sure thing. I will give a warning to begin 1013 00:55:36,490 --> 00:55:39,690 with. Most of the a good chunk of these questions are kind of 1014 00:55:39,690 --> 00:55:42,410 tongue in cheek, but I decided to include them anyway because I 1015 00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:47,765 think they're funny. So, let's see. This one, I believe, is a 1016 00:55:47,765 --> 00:55:51,285 sarcastic question, but I'm going to, reference it anyway. 1017 00:55:51,285 --> 00:55:54,905 This is regarding our COP conversation. Montana Blues 1018 00:55:54,965 --> 00:55:58,905 asks, are all the COP people vegans, or do they eat red meat? 1019 00:56:00,370 --> 00:56:03,190 Anthony Watts: Well, I would point out that a few years ago, 1020 00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:07,490 I was I think it was in Spain, Jim, when we were there. The 1021 00:56:07,570 --> 00:56:11,250 they already had a Burger King there, and people were lined up 1022 00:56:11,250 --> 00:56:14,905 at the Burger King. You know, we had pictures of that. It was, it 1023 00:56:14,905 --> 00:56:17,145 was hilarious because you're thinking, oh, they're more 1024 00:56:17,145 --> 00:56:18,745 vegan, you know, saving the earth. Yeah. 1025 00:56:18,745 --> 00:56:21,145 They are lined up to get Burger King. Wow. 1026 00:56:21,145 --> 00:56:23,465 Sterling Burnett: Well, there look. There there are probably 1027 00:56:23,465 --> 00:56:28,480 some vegans that go to these things, But, our friends from 1028 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,560 CFACT who were there, you know, they said, the most popular 1029 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,040 places were the buffets, where they were going up getting 1030 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,180 different types of meat. 1031 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,140 Anthony Watts: I love 1032 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,055 Sterling Burnett: it. Yeah. So, it's worked for 1033 00:56:40,055 --> 00:56:41,515 Anthony Watts: dinner. Exactly. 1034 00:56:41,655 --> 00:56:43,895 Linnea Lueken: Well, I mean, if you I mean, this stuff, half of 1035 00:56:43,895 --> 00:56:46,455 this stuff is Germany's fault. Right? Like, the Germans are 1036 00:56:46,455 --> 00:56:51,015 very into the climate change stuff. And, as Germany is always 1037 00:56:51,015 --> 00:56:54,710 trying to destroy Europe every couple of decades, And those 1038 00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:59,270 those Germans love to have, like, piles and piles of, like, 1039 00:56:59,270 --> 00:57:02,790 salami and stuff for breakfast. So I'm sure you can't have a a 1040 00:57:02,790 --> 00:57:05,210 cup without at least a little bit of that. 1041 00:57:06,385 --> 00:57:10,305 Sterling Burnett: No. They they, they you know, it's like the I'm 1042 00:57:10,305 --> 00:57:13,505 reliably informed that there were no mealworms or crickets on 1043 00:57:13,505 --> 00:57:16,005 the menu. Right. 1044 00:57:17,025 --> 00:57:20,225 Linnea Lueken: Okay. So here is a question from above us only 1045 00:57:20,225 --> 00:57:23,270 Skye. Does the panel think that global emissions may have 1046 00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:25,450 reduced by COP 473? 1047 00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:30,470 Anthony Watts: Is that like Fahrenheit 451? I mean 1048 00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:33,030 Speaker 1: Well, yeah. Well, so what would that be? 1049 00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:36,475 Jim Lakely: So we're at COP 29. That would be, you know, 450 1050 00:57:36,475 --> 00:57:41,755 some, cops from now. So we'll we'll see. Maybe by the time I 1051 00:57:41,755 --> 00:57:42,555 predict I 1052 00:57:42,555 --> 00:57:46,635 Sterling Burnett: predict that by then, emissions will have 1053 00:57:46,635 --> 00:57:50,910 declined because we will have a different form of energy, that 1054 00:57:50,910 --> 00:57:55,230 is cheaper, and as reliable. You know, maybe they'll have figured 1055 00:57:55,230 --> 00:58:02,370 out fusion by then. Maybe I'll have a a a jetpack. There it is. 1056 00:58:02,430 --> 00:58:03,900 Anthony Watts: A jetpack. Spectrometer. 1057 00:58:04,165 --> 00:58:07,225 Sterling Burnett: Yeah. A a jet pack that runs on my little, 1058 00:58:07,765 --> 00:58:15,845 mini nuke. Of course, I won't be around, but, my ancestors gosh, 1059 00:58:15,845 --> 00:58:19,360 473. Of course, by then, they'll have discovered that climate 1060 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,080 change isn't a problem because it'll be cooling again, and, 1061 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,680 they'll not need other big government programs to prevent 1062 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,340 the ice age. Yeah. 1063 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:33,885 Linnea Lueken: Right. Okay. So here is, from Kite Man Music who 1064 00:58:33,885 --> 00:58:36,925 says, can we have a whip round for a better camera for 1065 00:58:36,925 --> 00:58:42,285 Sterling? We're gonna pass around the collection basket for 1066 00:58:42,285 --> 00:58:43,505 that. Thanks, guys. 1067 00:58:44,090 --> 00:58:45,690 Sterling Burnett: Are you is that something you really, 1068 00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:49,210 really want? No, I'm trying to be. 1069 00:58:49,210 --> 00:58:51,370 Jim Lakely: You guys think that it was just bad. No, no, no, no, 1070 00:58:51,370 --> 00:58:52,430 no. Those are the settings. 1071 00:58:53,370 --> 00:58:56,810 Sterling Burnett: Yeah. It's like I put a little filter over 1072 00:58:56,810 --> 00:58:58,510 my camera on my computer. 1073 00:58:58,570 --> 00:58:59,745 Jim Lakely: The best we could do 1074 00:58:59,745 --> 00:59:00,645 Sterling Burnett: It's to your benefit. 1075 00:59:02,945 --> 00:59:06,145 Linnea Lueken: Alright. Here's from our friend Chris, who says, 1076 00:59:06,145 --> 00:59:09,605 will man get a preemptive global pardon from Biden? 1077 00:59:12,660 --> 00:59:14,980 Anthony Watts: Well, I think in order to get one of those, Mann 1078 00:59:14,980 --> 00:59:18,260 would have to be petitioning to get a pardon. And Mann thinks 1079 00:59:18,260 --> 00:59:20,820 he's done nothing wrong, so I don't think that'll happen. I 1080 00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:25,000 mean, the guy is completely without any regret, completely 1081 00:59:25,060 --> 00:59:28,365 without any conscience, it seems. So I don't think that'll 1082 00:59:28,365 --> 00:59:28,865 happen. 1083 00:59:30,925 --> 00:59:33,565 Linnea Lueken: We can only hope. It would be very, very 1084 00:59:33,565 --> 00:59:36,625 astonishing to see something like that, and that would make 1085 00:59:36,765 --> 00:59:41,165 my year. I I would I would be even more blown away, than the 1086 00:59:41,165 --> 00:59:46,390 hunter situation. Okay. I don't know who this is, but I will go 1087 00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:50,390 for this question from k one f eight who says, whatever 1088 00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:51,690 happened to Bishop Hill? 1089 00:59:52,550 --> 00:59:54,950 Anthony Watts: Well, he's still around. He's working for the 1090 00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:58,055 NetZero group over there on the UK, and he's focusing his 1091 00:59:58,055 --> 01:00:03,995 efforts on research and policy, pieces for them. He basically 1092 01:00:04,055 --> 01:00:08,695 found out that blogging doesn't pay. Gosh. I figured that out a 1093 01:00:08,695 --> 01:00:11,495 long time ago, but, you know, I'm not allowed to earn money 1094 01:00:11,495 --> 01:00:14,220 just like, the Climate Realism Show. 1095 01:00:14,220 --> 01:00:17,420 Google shut us off, you know, because how dare you make money 1096 01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:20,620 off of spreading lies? That's what they look at it as. But, 1097 01:00:20,620 --> 01:00:23,340 you know, we're we're all about climate realism on what's up 1098 01:00:23,340 --> 01:00:26,220 with that as we are here, but they can't handle it, so they 1099 01:00:26,220 --> 01:00:31,465 shut us down. But, yeah, earth doesn't pay. That's apparently 1100 01:00:31,465 --> 01:00:32,125 the problem. 1101 01:00:35,065 --> 01:00:38,445 Linnea Lueken: Of course. Alrighty. Here's Michael Downs 1102 01:00:38,505 --> 01:00:40,985 asking, can parents sue a teacher's union for teaching 1103 01:00:40,985 --> 01:00:44,830 climate cult to our children? I wish. I don't think you can sue 1104 01:00:44,830 --> 01:00:45,490 for that. 1105 01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:50,270 Sterling Burnett: You might, however, as a parent, be able 1106 01:00:50,270 --> 01:00:55,310 to, shut it down at the board level. Right? Go to your be be 1107 01:00:55,310 --> 01:00:59,345 be a member of the active member of the PTA. Show up at your 1108 01:00:59,345 --> 01:01:05,105 school board meetings, show up when it's voted for the school 1109 01:01:05,105 --> 01:01:09,505 board, vote show up and, demonstrate concerning your 1110 01:01:09,505 --> 01:01:12,865 state board of education to get it all out of the, you know, out 1111 01:01:12,865 --> 01:01:17,700 of the schools. The teachers' unions, I'm I'm not sure. 1112 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,760 You know, in some states, they're more powerful than 1113 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,140 others, but, I'm not sure you could sue them for that because, 1114 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,960 a lot of the stuff is set by, your school boards and and your 1115 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,605 state education agencies. They they may encourage that type of 1116 01:01:31,605 --> 01:01:34,085 teaching that they teach. They may agree with the type of 1117 01:01:34,085 --> 01:01:37,685 teaching, but, the Texas Education Agency says what you 1118 01:01:37,685 --> 01:01:40,805 have to what you have to teach in Texas, for instance. 1119 01:01:40,805 --> 01:01:42,245 Anthony Watts: Yeah. When I was on the school board in 1120 01:01:42,245 --> 01:01:48,020 California between 2,006, 2002 and 2006, they would give us a 1121 01:01:48,100 --> 01:01:52,920 an approved list of textbooks from the state. We could not 1122 01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:56,340 choose anything else, you know, so there was, like, 2 choices 1123 01:01:56,340 --> 01:01:59,985 for history, 2 choices for science or whatever, and the 1124 01:01:59,985 --> 01:02:04,625 state dictated what textbooks you could use in your school 1125 01:02:04,625 --> 01:02:08,385 district. And if you deviated from that, well, then there was 1126 01:02:08,385 --> 01:02:09,905 hell to pay. And in fact, that happened. 1127 01:02:09,905 --> 01:02:13,185 We had a math teacher at one of the high schools come up with 1128 01:02:13,185 --> 01:02:17,000 this fantastic little booklet that really was going like 1129 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,220 gangbusters. And we saw great improvements on from this thing, 1130 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,880 and the state stepped in and shut it down. We can't have 1131 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,580 this. It's not on the approved list. 1132 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,320 Sterling Burnett: I suspect, you know, maybe you could see the 1133 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,415 teachers' unions if if you find out that your local union are 1134 01:02:33,415 --> 01:02:37,575 lobbying for particular textbooks. You know, these are 1135 01:02:37,575 --> 01:02:40,775 the ones we want and and lobbying for it because that's 1136 01:02:40,775 --> 01:02:47,400 using union funds to to get viewpoint across as opposed to, 1137 01:02:47,540 --> 01:02:51,140 you tell us what we're supposed to teach. This is our, this is 1138 01:02:51,140 --> 01:02:55,060 what we'll teach. If if they're saying that we should tell you 1139 01:02:55,060 --> 01:02:59,845 what we should be teaching, and these are the textbooks that we 1140 01:02:59,845 --> 01:03:03,465 approve. Maybe you could go after them then. 1141 01:03:07,045 --> 01:03:09,125 Linnea Lueken: Thank you, LT Oracle of Truth. Yeah. We do 1142 01:03:09,125 --> 01:03:14,910 like to be on Rumble. This is a question with regards to climate 1143 01:03:14,910 --> 01:03:18,110 gate, which which is from Darren, and he asks begs the 1144 01:03:18,110 --> 01:03:22,030 question of why it was never called out big time. That is the 1145 01:03:22,030 --> 01:03:26,190 corruption, the the, collusion between different, top climate 1146 01:03:26,190 --> 01:03:26,690 scientists. 1147 01:03:26,995 --> 01:03:29,255 And he says, although I can guess why. 1148 01:03:30,675 --> 01:03:33,155 Anthony Watts: Well, there's this mistaken belief that 1149 01:03:33,155 --> 01:03:36,115 scientists are pure as the driven snow. Of course, there's 1150 01:03:36,115 --> 01:03:39,715 not gonna be any more snow, according to them. But the thing 1151 01:03:39,715 --> 01:03:43,340 is that people that are on the left in particular elevate 1152 01:03:43,340 --> 01:03:48,000 science into some kind of, it's almost cultish. You know? 1153 01:03:48,220 --> 01:03:51,440 Science says, you know, follow the science, that kind of thing. 1154 01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:56,835 And so they don't want to tear down science because they know 1155 01:03:56,835 --> 01:04:00,115 that if they start doing so, there's gonna be a lot of 1156 01:04:00,115 --> 01:04:03,715 inconvenient stuff coming out. I mean, and it's not just in 1157 01:04:03,715 --> 01:04:05,555 climate science that we're having this problem. We're 1158 01:04:05,555 --> 01:04:09,330 having this in the medical and pharmaceutical, areas a lot. 1159 01:04:09,330 --> 01:04:13,030 There's a lot of false papers based on false data out there. 1160 01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:17,410 It seems to become almost systemic now, and the thing 1161 01:04:17,410 --> 01:04:19,090 that's driving this is money. 1162 01:04:19,090 --> 01:04:21,875 There's all this money available for research. Yes. And so 1163 01:04:21,915 --> 01:04:25,855 Government money. Exactly. And so if you've got a $1,000,000 1164 01:04:26,075 --> 01:04:31,275 grant for something that you, you know, you you you came up 1165 01:04:31,275 --> 01:04:32,075 with an idea. 1166 01:04:32,075 --> 01:04:36,080 I think I can prove that climate change is causing wildebeest to, 1167 01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,400 run amok in this in the savannah or something dumb like that. 1168 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,720 Right? And so you're gonna come up with a way to justify that 1169 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,280 money so you can get the next grant. It doesn't matter if it's 1170 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,380 true or not. It's all about the next grant. 1171 01:04:52,655 --> 01:04:54,735 Sterling Burnett: I'm not sure it's fair to say that it wasn't 1172 01:04:54,735 --> 01:04:58,015 a big deal at the time. I mean, not just we cover it. I I 1173 01:04:58,015 --> 01:05:00,655 suspect you could go back in archives and find that the New 1174 01:05:00,655 --> 01:05:03,310 York Times covered it, the Washington Post covered it, that 1175 01:05:03,310 --> 01:05:07,870 most of the, major media outlets, covered it. I think at 1176 01:05:07,870 --> 01:05:11,550 the time I was interviewed on television stations here in 1177 01:05:11,550 --> 01:05:18,495 Dallas, but it faded very quickly because they immediately 1178 01:05:19,195 --> 01:05:28,200 it was big enough thing that they had various, they set up 1179 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,400 various boards to study it, to find out if there was any 1180 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,920 wrongdoing. And, of course, when Penn State is gonna lose its 1181 01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,340 money, it's gonna find no wrongdoing. 1182 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,015 Over there in in England, they found no wrongdoing. There was 1183 01:05:43,015 --> 01:05:48,135 only one that found they didn't find that the science was 1184 01:05:48,135 --> 01:05:51,495 corrupted. They found that the science did bad things, and they 1185 01:05:51,495 --> 01:05:54,055 shouldn't have done it. Naughty naughty. They, you know, they 1186 01:05:54,055 --> 01:05:54,855 scraped a little thing. 1187 01:05:54,855 --> 01:05:59,690 Naughty naughty. Don't don't do this again. We we find it's 1188 01:05:59,690 --> 01:06:04,250 wrong, but there was no penalties attached. And so as 1189 01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:07,230 soon as that came down, they said, oh, well, we investigated 1190 01:06:07,530 --> 01:06:08,830 it. We we had investigations. 1191 01:06:09,210 --> 01:06:13,025 They didn't find wrongdoing. And so it it it was it was easy to 1192 01:06:13,025 --> 01:06:16,145 sweep it away. But when it first broke, I thought it was I 1193 01:06:16,145 --> 01:06:18,625 thought it got quite a a fair amount of coverage. It just 1194 01:06:18,625 --> 01:06:21,585 faded quickly, and that's why people like us have to bring it 1195 01:06:21,585 --> 01:06:25,630 up every so often because the the malfeasance, the corruption 1196 01:06:25,630 --> 01:06:30,610 is still ongoing. Every couple of years, you find new stuff, 1197 01:06:31,870 --> 01:06:34,590 and you have to publicize it and then tie it back into climate 1198 01:06:34,590 --> 01:06:36,350 gate because it's all related. 1199 01:06:36,350 --> 01:06:39,490 It's the same actors and the same types of actions. 1200 01:06:40,505 --> 01:06:43,545 Anthony Watts: Yep. And a lot of what we get today is science by 1201 01:06:43,545 --> 01:06:47,945 press release. You know? It's about getting the the success is 1202 01:06:47,945 --> 01:06:52,205 often measured not by the validity of the science itself, 1203 01:06:52,265 --> 01:06:54,905 but how much press you get. And when you get more press, then 1204 01:06:54,905 --> 01:06:56,400 you're likely to get more money. 1205 01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,120 Sterling Burnett: The truth the truth is 15 years ago when it 1206 01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,960 first broke, skeptics like us were actually given more access 1207 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,420 to the mainstream media. 1208 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:04,960 Anthony Watts: We were. 1209 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,120 Sterling Burnett: We were interviewed more often. They 1210 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,875 they wanted balance in the stories. They wanted different 1211 01:07:10,875 --> 01:07:14,955 points of view. There has been an active suppression of that. 1212 01:07:14,955 --> 01:07:17,755 They said, we shit we can't give these people points of view as 1213 01:07:17,755 --> 01:07:22,875 if they have an equal, knowledge as if they count as much. 1214 01:07:22,875 --> 01:07:26,840 We can't you know, the the Los Angeles Times explicitly say, we 1215 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,320 will no longer publish anything that's critical of climate 1216 01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,600 change. No letters to the editor, no op eds. That wasn't 1217 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,180 true 15 years ago. It's happened since then. 1218 01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,215 Linnea Lueken: Yep. Okay. I'm gonna answer this question 1219 01:07:39,215 --> 01:07:43,855 really quick from Hippie who's asking me directly, if and I'll 1220 01:07:43,855 --> 01:07:46,255 try to explain because I think I understand what she's asking or 1221 01:07:46,255 --> 01:07:50,735 he's asking. But, it says, if we don't use oil up, what will we 1222 01:07:50,735 --> 01:07:54,020 do when the oil starts seeping into the oceans and land more? 1223 01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,760 And I think what the context of this question is, is that there 1224 01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,680 are natural oil seeps that exist at the bottom of the ocean, that 1225 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:02,880 exist on the land. 1226 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:07,595 I think that we don't really harvest or no. I know that we we 1227 01:08:07,595 --> 01:08:10,895 don't really harvest from natural seeps all that much, 1228 01:08:12,555 --> 01:08:15,595 except for the case of, like, the tar sands. I think you could 1229 01:08:15,595 --> 01:08:19,230 count in that category. And when you're doing drilling off of, 1230 01:08:19,230 --> 01:08:23,890 like, Santa Barbara, and producing from reservoirs there, 1231 01:08:24,190 --> 01:08:27,550 you're probably reducing the amount of oil seeps that will 1232 01:08:27,550 --> 01:08:31,355 occur at the bottom of the ocean in that area just by, you know, 1233 01:08:31,355 --> 01:08:34,875 virtue of you pulling, oil from the reservoirs there. 1234 01:08:34,875 --> 01:08:35,995 Sterling Burnett: Reducing the pressure in the 1235 01:08:35,995 --> 01:08:39,275 Linnea Lueken: reservoirs. Yeah. And so I think that that's 1236 01:08:39,275 --> 01:08:43,995 probably relatively minimal, though, compared to the amount 1237 01:08:43,995 --> 01:08:47,970 of natural seeps that we never touch. The bottom of the ocean 1238 01:08:47,970 --> 01:08:52,710 is absolutely full of things called, methane hydrates for 1. 1239 01:08:53,090 --> 01:08:57,090 There have been a lot of theories, and, there's a lot of 1240 01:08:57,090 --> 01:08:59,570 research that goes into trying to figure out how we could 1241 01:08:59,570 --> 01:09:00,790 harvest those things. 1242 01:09:01,635 --> 01:09:05,175 But most of the ideas as far as I've seen so far are pretty bad 1243 01:09:05,475 --> 01:09:11,175 or, you know, like, economically not feasible. So I don't think 1244 01:09:11,875 --> 01:09:15,650 that if we if we were to stop using oil, which would be a bad 1245 01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:17,970 idea, but if we were to stop using oil, I don't think that 1246 01:09:17,970 --> 01:09:23,810 would significantly increase the amount of seepage. But just 1247 01:09:23,810 --> 01:09:28,475 because we don't harvest that much from those areas, but it 1248 01:09:28,475 --> 01:09:35,275 would certainly be bad for, energy security. So, yeah, I I I 1249 01:09:35,275 --> 01:09:37,995 wouldn't too I wouldn't be too worried about that. But that's a 1250 01:09:37,995 --> 01:09:40,235 good question, though, and and it's fun to get to talk about 1251 01:09:40,235 --> 01:09:41,280 that stuff a little bit. 1252 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:46,020 Okay. Next question is one that I think I can pitch to Jim, 1253 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,900 which is from, Riz Reid who says, when is the next NIPCC? 1254 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,115 And I think he means ICCC, But I think we also have an NIPCC, 1255 01:09:58,215 --> 01:09:59,015 which is the 1256 01:09:59,175 --> 01:10:01,335 Anthony Watts: It's about it's about this thick. You've got it 1257 01:10:01,335 --> 01:10:02,795 on the shelf over there. 1258 01:10:03,335 --> 01:10:05,255 Linnea Lueken: We've got these books. I don't know if we're 1259 01:10:05,255 --> 01:10:10,470 gonna do another one of those, but, Jim, you're muted. You're 1260 01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:11,210 one mute. 1261 01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:14,710 Jim Lakely: There's my one mute of, per per podcast. Yeah. Yeah. 1262 01:10:14,710 --> 01:10:18,250 Nipsey stands for, Nongovernmental International 1263 01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:22,355 Panel on Climate Change. It's a gathering of real scientists who 1264 01:10:22,355 --> 01:10:25,655 put together, as as Linae was pointing out their books, 1265 01:10:26,195 --> 01:10:30,695 volumes about this thick, in response or kind of in parallel 1266 01:10:30,835 --> 01:10:33,910 to the reports of the United Nations IPCC. 1267 01:10:35,090 --> 01:10:39,010 We do not have any plans to do another volume of that size, in 1268 01:10:39,010 --> 01:10:41,430 the near future. But if you meant when is the next, 1269 01:10:42,450 --> 01:10:45,410 Heartland Climate Conference, which is, the International 1270 01:10:45,410 --> 01:10:49,625 Conference on Climate Change, that's ICCC by the Heartland 1271 01:10:49,625 --> 01:10:55,465 Institute. We are kicking around the idea of having 1 in 2025. So 1272 01:10:55,465 --> 01:10:57,865 it's in the very preliminary stages, but we know that they're 1273 01:10:57,865 --> 01:11:01,305 important and we know that they're very popular. So when we 1274 01:11:01,305 --> 01:11:02,640 have news on that, we'll share it. 1275 01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,840 Anthony Watts: That would be a good opportunity to promote our 1276 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:10,400 book. There you go. Climate and a glass. Right. And and and note 1277 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:11,540 how thin it is. 1278 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:16,365 Right? Yes. Because we condensed those topics down to to, you 1279 01:11:16,365 --> 01:11:19,505 know, a crucible of truth that can fit on a single page, 1280 01:11:20,285 --> 01:11:23,085 instead of volumes and, you know, references and so forth. 1281 01:11:23,085 --> 01:11:27,005 This has references in it. But, you know, you can get our book. 1282 01:11:27,005 --> 01:11:31,050 Go to climate at a glance.com. You can download it for free if 1283 01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:34,570 you'd like, and we also have a climate at a glance app that you 1284 01:11:34,570 --> 01:11:38,730 can install on your iPhone or on your Android phone. It has all 1285 01:11:38,730 --> 01:11:41,450 that stuff in it too, and it's really handy, especially if 1286 01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:43,530 you're, you know, somewhere where you get in an argument 1287 01:11:43,530 --> 01:11:46,665 with someone where they say, oh, you know, climate change is 1288 01:11:46,665 --> 01:11:49,865 doing this or doing that or causing this or whatever. You 1289 01:11:49,865 --> 01:11:52,505 can look it right up on the app and say, look. No. 1290 01:11:52,505 --> 01:11:55,405 It's not true. It's not true. It's all hype. 1291 01:11:55,705 --> 01:11:58,265 Sterling Burnett: So Yeah. The the virtues the virtues of the 1292 01:11:58,265 --> 01:12:02,700 app and the web page, the the is that we have newer material in 1293 01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:05,980 it, you know, additional material that we've added since 1294 01:12:05,980 --> 01:12:07,520 we published the the book. 1295 01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:12,220 Linnea Lueken: Right. That's true. And and it's, the reason 1296 01:12:12,220 --> 01:12:15,585 why I think we're avoiding doing the big text textbooks is 1, you 1297 01:12:15,585 --> 01:12:18,545 know, you don't distribute as many of those things. I mean, 1298 01:12:18,545 --> 01:12:21,105 they're gigantic. I remember yeah. 1299 01:12:21,105 --> 01:12:25,585 When I first went to, one of our conferences, and I attempted to 1300 01:12:25,585 --> 01:12:29,280 go back home with a couple of those textbooks, and it was 1301 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:34,000 very, cumbersome to take on the plane. So, they really are like 1302 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:39,440 full size textbooks. And I do believe that the NIPCC texts are 1303 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:43,085 available in PDF form on the Heartland website as well. So if 1304 01:12:43,085 --> 01:12:48,785 you want our massive amount of information about different 1305 01:12:48,845 --> 01:12:52,125 climate related subjects, including, you know, physics and 1306 01:12:52,125 --> 01:12:56,190 biology and everything, you can find those online, and it's a 1307 01:12:56,190 --> 01:12:58,530 lot easier than having a gigantic textbook. 1308 01:12:58,750 --> 01:13:00,750 Jim Lakely: Yes. Yes. Go to heartland.org and actually 1309 01:13:00,750 --> 01:13:03,070 scroll all the way down to the bottom in the footer. There's a 1310 01:13:03,070 --> 01:13:06,350 website called climate change reconsidered. So it's, actually 1311 01:13:06,350 --> 01:13:07,410 climate change reconsidered.org. 1312 01:13:08,115 --> 01:13:10,915 You can get all of the, voluminous reports. I think it's 1313 01:13:10,915 --> 01:13:15,335 in total about 4,000 pages of scientific work. So, yeah. 1314 01:13:17,475 --> 01:13:19,955 Linnea Lueken: Okay. This is a good question from Redneck Screw 1315 01:13:19,955 --> 01:13:25,450 Loose regarding, the, EPA's green cash scam, which is how do 1316 01:13:25,450 --> 01:13:30,170 I get on the gravy chain train with biscuit wheels? And I I 1317 01:13:30,170 --> 01:13:32,810 wanted to comment on this because Andy and I joke about 1318 01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:35,690 this all the time that, you know, if we didn't have souls, 1319 01:13:35,690 --> 01:13:38,490 this is the wrong industry to get into is on the climate 1320 01:13:38,490 --> 01:13:41,615 realism side. If we really wanted to make some money, we'd 1321 01:13:41,615 --> 01:13:46,175 be on the green side, and let this be our, you know, evidence 1322 01:13:46,175 --> 01:13:48,115 that we believe what we're talking about. 1323 01:13:49,295 --> 01:13:51,375 Sterling Burnett: I've been offered it. You know? I I was 1324 01:13:51,375 --> 01:13:53,615 offered position in other places. That's all you gotta do 1325 01:13:53,615 --> 01:13:57,550 is just, you know, can't you come over? Don't you really 1326 01:13:57,550 --> 01:13:58,510 think it's going on? 1327 01:13:58,510 --> 01:14:00,270 Because they thought I was corrupt. Right? They thought, 1328 01:14:00,270 --> 01:14:02,670 look, I'm just in it for the money. And if they offer me the 1329 01:14:02,670 --> 01:14:05,710 right money, then I I would admit the truth. It's like, no. 1330 01:14:05,710 --> 01:14:10,485 I a, I'm not corrupt. B, I'm not getting the oil money you think 1331 01:14:10,485 --> 01:14:16,485 I'm getting. C, I follow the science, and I'm not gonna not 1332 01:14:16,485 --> 01:14:19,145 do that because you offer me money. 1333 01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:21,340 Anthony Watts: Yeah. I will point out that not too long 1334 01:14:21,340 --> 01:14:25,020 after Climategate, I was offered some money to shut down what's 1335 01:14:25,020 --> 01:14:26,400 up with that. Seriously. 1336 01:14:26,460 --> 01:14:26,960 Jim Lakely: Really? 1337 01:14:27,340 --> 01:14:30,080 Anthony Watts: Yes. I haven't talked about this. But, 1338 01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:34,795 basically, I'll put this bluntly. I told that person to 1339 01:14:34,795 --> 01:14:37,935 go shove that idea up the bodily orifice of choice. 1340 01:14:41,755 --> 01:14:43,915 Linnea Lueken: Right. Here's another good tongue in cheek 1341 01:14:43,915 --> 01:14:47,680 kind of question, which is, from Gilbert who says a question for 1342 01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,280 everyone. Would the world stop spinning on its access access if 1343 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,860 Michael Mann admitted that he knew his paleo reconstruction 1344 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:58,980 was wrong? Anthony, comment. 1345 01:15:00,755 --> 01:15:03,555 Anthony Watts: He'll never admit that. As I'm as I'm fond of 1346 01:15:03,555 --> 01:15:07,795 saying, his ego is so large. He can't fit through most doors. He 1347 01:15:07,795 --> 01:15:11,635 will never be able to admit that even if someone publishes a peer 1348 01:15:11,635 --> 01:15:14,710 reviewed paper that proves it, and there have been some out 1349 01:15:14,710 --> 01:15:18,390 there, you know, like what McIntyre did, he's not gonna 1350 01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:22,870 admit to it. His his ego is too large and too fragile to be, 1351 01:15:23,190 --> 01:15:24,650 able to admit such a thing. 1352 01:15:24,710 --> 01:15:27,525 Sterling Burnett: I was at a conference with him once, and 1353 01:15:27,525 --> 01:15:30,265 we're both we're actually both published in the same journal, 1354 01:15:30,565 --> 01:15:34,165 because the journal, there was a a journal that was published 1355 01:15:34,165 --> 01:15:40,600 based on the conference. And, he he's the only scientist. He's 1356 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,260 one of only 2 scientists that I've ever talked to, debated, 1357 01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:48,460 been on stage with, who gave me an answer to what would it take 1358 01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,480 to convince you that, you were wrong, that the humans weren't 1359 01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:57,725 causing catastrophic climate change. Others that I've 1360 01:15:57,725 --> 01:15:59,405 questioned, they've they've thrown up their hands, which 1361 01:15:59,405 --> 01:16:02,125 shows me it's not science because there's no there are no 1362 01:16:02,125 --> 01:16:05,165 conditions that would disprove the theory that they can think 1363 01:16:05,165 --> 01:16:09,805 of. But Michael Mann had an answer, and, he said this in 1364 01:16:09,805 --> 01:16:15,020 front of a few people in in answering my question, and he 1365 01:16:15,020 --> 01:16:18,160 said, all of physics would have to be overturned. 1366 01:16:18,420 --> 01:16:19,420 Anthony Watts: I said 1367 01:16:19,420 --> 01:16:22,220 Sterling Burnett: I said, what? I said, the like the laws of 1368 01:16:22,220 --> 01:16:25,260 conservation of energy and entropy? He says, everything 1369 01:16:25,260 --> 01:16:28,065 I've ever learned about physics would to be overturned for me to 1370 01:16:28,065 --> 01:16:29,285 be wrong about climate change. 1371 01:16:29,345 --> 01:16:31,345 Jim Lakely: Oh my god. What what an ego on that guy. It's 1372 01:16:31,345 --> 01:16:34,305 unbelievable. Even Einstein said it would only take one scientist 1373 01:16:34,305 --> 01:16:37,825 to prove me wrong. But for a Michael Mann, all of physics has 1374 01:16:37,825 --> 01:16:40,705 to be proven wrong for him to change his mind. 1375 01:16:40,705 --> 01:16:42,545 Sterling Burnett: Not to his credit. He gave me an answer to 1376 01:16:42,545 --> 01:16:43,400 my question. 1377 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:44,120 Jim Lakely: They did. 1378 01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,200 Sterling Burnett: He had an answer. All we have to do is 1379 01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:47,980 overturn everything in physics. 1380 01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,160 Anthony Watts: Right. And then the universe stops working, and 1381 01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:52,920 then it's to make the moot point. Right? 1382 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,000 Sterling Burnett: So maybe so maybe the guys has is onto 1383 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,480 something. The the world would have to stop turning on its 1384 01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:57,765 axis. 1385 01:16:58,005 --> 01:16:59,145 Jim Lakely: I think he's right. 1386 01:16:59,205 --> 01:17:02,885 Linnea Lueken: Yeah. Okay. This is a question referring to 1387 01:17:02,885 --> 01:17:06,165 something that's been in the news recently, from Chris 1388 01:17:06,165 --> 01:17:09,785 Shattuck again, who says, does bovir fed meat increase nonvegan 1389 01:17:10,005 --> 01:17:14,220 human farting propensity? And then another related question, 1390 01:17:14,220 --> 01:17:17,820 which is, is Beauvoir being fed to cows in the US? Would we be 1391 01:17:17,820 --> 01:17:18,460 told about it? 1392 01:17:18,460 --> 01:17:21,500 Would the milk be labeled? I don't know actually if we would 1393 01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:24,240 label milk if we were doing that. I'm pretty sure we're not. 1394 01:17:25,925 --> 01:17:26,565 Anthony Watts: They're labeled 1395 01:17:26,565 --> 01:17:28,245 Jim Lakely: if they got hormones, so why wouldn't they 1396 01:17:28,245 --> 01:17:28,805 be labeled? 1397 01:17:28,805 --> 01:17:29,125 Linnea Lueken: Yeah. 1398 01:17:29,125 --> 01:17:30,805 Sterling Burnett: Yeah. No. I would have to go through FDA 1399 01:17:30,805 --> 01:17:33,365 approval, and I don't think it's been approved by the FDA. You 1400 01:17:33,365 --> 01:17:33,605 know? 1401 01:17:33,605 --> 01:17:36,165 Linnea Lueken: It takes a very long time also to get that kind 1402 01:17:36,165 --> 01:17:40,410 of thing approved. That's one of that's one of the few kind of 1403 01:17:40,410 --> 01:17:44,890 good things with the slow moving FDA is crazy stuff like that 1404 01:17:44,890 --> 01:17:50,570 can't get through quite as quickly. But it's it's it's an 1405 01:17:50,570 --> 01:17:53,050 interesting story for for those in the audience who are not 1406 01:17:53,050 --> 01:17:57,325 aware. There are a couple of different drugs and like methods 1407 01:17:57,385 --> 01:18:00,985 that are being used right now on cattle, or at least are being 1408 01:18:00,985 --> 01:18:07,065 proposed to be used on cattle in New Zealand and the UK and some 1409 01:18:07,065 --> 01:18:10,560 other places that are meant to reduce the amount of methane 1410 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,880 that a cow's stomach produces or stomachs produce when they are 1411 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:22,065 digesting the roughage that they eat. And it's probably a bad 1412 01:18:22,065 --> 01:18:23,105 idea right now. 1413 01:18:23,105 --> 01:18:26,785 They're insisting that it probably won't have any adverse 1414 01:18:26,785 --> 01:18:30,065 effects, but it really hasn't been, from what I've seen, like 1415 01:18:30,065 --> 01:18:33,825 in circulation long enough to show that that's the case. So 1416 01:18:33,825 --> 01:18:37,220 it's kind of questionable and very spooky, and, everyone in 1417 01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:39,300 the UK is very upset about it, and they've pretty much 1418 01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:44,340 boycotted the one company that has been doing it. And I believe 1419 01:18:44,340 --> 01:18:49,540 that they do have to, market it on their milk bottles if they 1420 01:18:49,540 --> 01:18:54,555 are using cattle that have been treated with this stuff. And 1421 01:18:54,555 --> 01:18:56,795 there's one company in particular that everyone is 1422 01:18:56,795 --> 01:19:00,395 boycotting over there right now. So I don't know. 1423 01:19:00,395 --> 01:19:05,450 It's, it's an interesting situation. Hopefully it doesn't 1424 01:19:05,450 --> 01:19:08,010 go anywhere. Hopefully it kind of stops here and they they'll 1425 01:19:08,010 --> 01:19:13,370 probably try again in some other sneaky way eventually. But but I 1426 01:19:13,370 --> 01:19:18,075 don't know. I just think it's, you know, cattle produce that 1427 01:19:18,075 --> 01:19:21,135 kind of a methane in those amounts with their gut bacteria 1428 01:19:21,195 --> 01:19:22,015 for a reason. 1429 01:19:24,475 --> 01:19:28,335 And it's probably, like, not quite a Jurassic Park scenario, 1430 01:19:28,395 --> 01:19:32,560 but a pretty serious scenario where we're trying to circumvent 1431 01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,160 nature in that way. I have a feeling we're going to end up 1432 01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,980 with either a lot of dead cows or worse. So 1433 01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:43,040 Anthony Watts: Yeah. I think the stuff is misnamed myself. You 1434 01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,760 know, they call it both here. I think it should be called both 1435 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:46,260 these. 1436 01:19:48,285 --> 01:19:50,365 Jim Lakely: Yeah. And maybe we'll have to do a whole show 1437 01:19:50,365 --> 01:19:53,565 dedicated to that kind of thing, the methane regulation. I I will 1438 01:19:53,565 --> 01:19:56,365 note just on that topic that there seems to be a lot of 1439 01:19:56,365 --> 01:20:01,245 interest in reducing the methane and harming the cattle industry 1440 01:20:01,245 --> 01:20:04,660 in the United States, but there's a lot more bovine in 1441 01:20:04,660 --> 01:20:06,840 India, and nobody ever talks about that. 1442 01:20:07,460 --> 01:20:08,360 Anthony Watts: That's sacred. 1443 01:20:08,820 --> 01:20:10,900 Jim Lakely: They're sacred. I guess their methane is sacred 1444 01:20:10,900 --> 01:20:13,940 too. So that's a great place to leave it. Sacred methane. Yes. 1445 01:20:13,940 --> 01:20:14,840 I wanna thank 1446 01:20:15,060 --> 01:20:17,140 Sterling Burnett: man Demanipotent. I can hear this on 1447 01:20:17,140 --> 01:20:18,525 now. Every fart is sacred. 1448 01:20:18,585 --> 01:20:22,185 Jim Lakely: Every fart is secret. Alright. Lots of ideas. 1449 01:20:22,185 --> 01:20:25,305 What a way to end the show. Thank you, Anthony Watts, 1450 01:20:25,305 --> 01:20:27,625 Sterling Burnett, Linnea Luca for being on the show. 1451 01:20:27,625 --> 01:20:30,425 They're all from the Heartland Institute. Thank you all who are 1452 01:20:30,425 --> 01:20:34,090 watching on YouTube, Rumble, and x, and especially those who are 1453 01:20:34,090 --> 01:20:37,290 in the chat with us today. Hey. Bring some friends to the show 1454 01:20:37,290 --> 01:20:38,890 with you next time. 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