WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:13.640 practical ways. Well, hey, everybody, good morning. My name is 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:17.079 Chris and I'm Katlan, and we today are the Bible 5 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:20.039 Guys are because Jeff is out of town and so 6 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:22.359 he's out of the country and so we've done this 7 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:24.760 thing that I think has been very fun. Throughout the week, 8 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:28.559 We've had a different guest every single day, and today 9 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.320 we have Katlan uh and and by the way, it's 10 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:33.679 it's an unusual name. I've never heard of it. So 11 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:34.719 how do you spell Catlan? 12 00:00:35.039 --> 00:00:39.359 Catlin? The spell C A T L I N D T. 13 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:43.920 So it's Katlan, that's what That's a joke, yes, yes, 14 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:46.560 but the T represents the cross. My dad wanted a 15 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:48.520 gud to follow me all the days of my life, 16 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:50.439 and so it would have been weird to put in 17 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:52.560 and n T, so he put a D in between 18 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:54.039 them and then made them both silent. 19 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:58.679 Wow. So Catlan and with the DT, which is extremely cool. 20 00:00:58.799 --> 00:00:59.079 Thank you. 21 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:01.280 So, by the way, it wouldn't have worked if you 22 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:04.840 weren't like, if you didn't have like cool vibes, if 23 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:07.159 you were like the nerdy kind like, hey, my name 24 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:12.799 is Katlin. Maybe work I agree, But you know, you 25 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:14.840 walk in and you're you're all smooth and you're like Catlin. 26 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:17.239 They're like, oh, he's so cool. That's a cool name. 27 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:17.599 Thank you. 28 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:20.959 Yeah, it wouldn't work on me though. So okay, So 29 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:24.879 you have been on staff with us at Heritage Church 30 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:29.359 at our main campus as production directory. So so in 31 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:31.439 a sentence, what do you what do you do? What 32 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:32.120 is that title? 33 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:32.840 I am? 34 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:35.400 Thanks so much for having me. First of all, you 35 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:38.200 and Pastor Jeff. For sure, this is really really cool. 36 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:40.359 I'm usually on the other side of the camera, so 37 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:41.879 to be on this side, it's pretty cool. 38 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:45.079 You went for Christmas, right, Christmas we featured you. Yeah, this, 39 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:47.840 which is really cool. So some people probably really know 40 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:48.239 you from that. 41 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:51.439 Yeah, yeah, that's cool. But to your point, I am 42 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.359 the production director, so I'm in charge of all of 43 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:57.760 the worship experience, so all things audio, all things video, 44 00:01:58.079 --> 00:01:59.840 and all things lights. Now do I do all of 45 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:01.079 the simultaneously? 46 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:01.159 No. 47 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:04.000 We have a phenomenal team yep, to do what it 48 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:05.920 is that God has graced us to do. 49 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.879 But the buck stops here, which with things go great, 50 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:12.120 you're the hero right and when things go bad, uh oh, 51 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:12.840 we look out. 52 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.680 Yes, everything rises and falls on leadership, which I know 53 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:16.560 you know all about. 54 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:17.599 Yeah for sure. 55 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.280 Well that's cool. So it's it's a thrill to have 56 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:25.080 you and we are going to launch right into our 57 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:28.800 first segment, which, by the way, I've advertised this every day, 58 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:31.719 so I don't want to forget today. If you're in 59 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:35.199 the area and you want to drive to Inla City 60 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:37.159 to see the Bible Guys live, it's gonna be Jeff 61 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:40.400 and I on April twenty fourth at the La City Campus. 62 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:42.240 You got to get tickets, but they're free. Just to 63 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:44.520 reserve your spot. There's only two hundred spots. But go 64 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:48.000 to Herodichurch dot com slash events and we're doing an 65 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:51.520 actual Bible Guys episode live on stage and it's gonna 66 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:53.319 be really cool. We're gonna have some other fun as well, 67 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:56.360 and there's no agenda. It's just have fun. So it's 68 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:59.120 just to celebrate, get to meet some people, and you 69 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:00.560 can waltz in and out. You don't have to worry 70 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:03.360 about knowing anybody, but just drive there, especially if you're 71 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:04.800 from the Sterling Heights campus and you want to go 72 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.520 out there. Especially that'd be a great invitation or the 73 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.680 Stony Creek campus. Yeah as well. Right, so here we go. 74 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:14.240 So here is what I call the crazy question segment 75 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:17.479 that Desiree has done for all of you. Guys. Catlin 76 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:20.759 is the production director's and he has the coolest style. 77 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:23.439 So she's even acknowledging that you're cool. 78 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:24.680 Very humbled by that. 79 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:28.120 So here is today's question. What would your kids say 80 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:28.520 you're cool? 81 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:29.479 Yeah? Absolutely? 82 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:33.080 Okay, good, good, all right. So what's the funniest or 83 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:37.520 most random fashion trend that you secretly wish you could 84 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.879 make a comeback even though you might get weird looks? 85 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:41.039 What a crazy question? 86 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:44.520 Yeah, thanks Desiree. I really appreciate you on that one. 87 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:49.520 Yeah yeah, what would I say crazy comeback versus style? 88 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:56.039 I'll probably say the whole I'm going to answer it 89 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:56.479 this way. 90 00:03:56.599 --> 00:04:01.080 Yep. So chivery chivalry. I'm a millennial. 91 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:05.719 Yeah yeah, and the generation before me I saw many 92 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:09.960 examples of that chivalry chivalry. So guys walking on the 93 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:11.039 edge of the sidewalk. 94 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.639 Oh, you're going, but you know what, your brain does 95 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.639 work this way every. 96 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:18.040 Time we're in creative going somewhere. 97 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:21.879 Yeah you no, No, I'm complimenting you, because it is 98 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:26.759 so much deeper than my brain. My brain would be like, 99 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:31.839 fashion trend means bell bottoms, right, and you're like, no, no, no, chivalry, Yeah, 100 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:33.759 is a trend. Is a fashion trend? 101 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:38.319 Yes, because what your attire comes with that persona, with 102 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:39.839 that perspective. 103 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:43.560 You're saying, chivalry determines actual attire. Yes, because if you're 104 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:44.839 going to interrupted you too early. 105 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:47.839 Yeah, a little bit, but it's okay, it's a conversation. 106 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:48.279 It's cool. 107 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:51.120 So so when you probably when you go out with 108 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:53.680 your wife, she has on a nice dress, you make 109 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:56.800 sure that your tire is suitable for her. 110 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.480 Sure, Like you just had a birthday, happy but lated birthday. 111 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:02.959 So when she took you out, you didn't have on 112 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:05.639 flip flops and some jeans and the regal shirt. You 113 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:08.560 had a tire that was befitting of not only the 114 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:11.199 venue that you were at, but complimentary to what she 115 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:15.959 had on today's day. That's probably a lost art, especially 116 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.439 in my generation and the generations after me, because you 117 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:22.199 could be out with your lady and she could be dressed, 118 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:25.079 you know, to the nines or whatever, and the guy 119 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.720 would just have on some flip flops. Right, So I 120 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:30.360 would bring back to answer your question, I would bring 121 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:35.240 back just guys looking nice, nice, yeah, versus just getting 122 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:37.519 up and going out looking like you just walked out 123 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:39.000 of bed as you walk in with. 124 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.519 A very very swanky looking outfit and I've get a 125 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.199 T shirt off, right, Yeah, so yeah, there you go. 126 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:50.720 Case endpoints the T shirt Biba guys. So, hey, what 127 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:53.560 a great answer to the question. Wow, that's really good. 128 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:55.600 And by the way, my wife surprised me. It was 129 00:05:55.639 --> 00:06:00.839 so great. She actually said, packing over and back. I 130 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.480 didn't know where I was going. We drove from Troy, 131 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:06.639 Michigan to ann Arbor, so uh so ann Arbor is 132 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:08.319 a great city. I didn't know what we're gonna do. 133 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:11.600 We did a massage, like a couple's massage things, so 134 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:12.120 that was fun. 135 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:13.600 Do you like massages? I do? 136 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:16.959 Yeah, I do, yes, very much. And and then you know, 137 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:18.879 especially since you know you work out and your store 138 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:21.240 or whatever, it's just it's really it's really great. And 139 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:24.399 then uh we went back to the tel changed and 140 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:26.680 she said, now, just nice. Well packed, you know, I 141 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:29.079 had I knew before I packed, but I had to 142 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:31.000 wear a jacket. I had no idea where I was 143 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.600 going none. So we dressed up super nice, and she 144 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.519 took me to a live jazz club. 145 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:38.120 Let's go. 146 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:40.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was It was so cool. 147 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.720 In fact, they sent you a video. Was it trumpet 148 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:47.720 or drums? Sex saxophone? Of course because you play sax But. 149 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:47.920 It was really cool. 150 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:49.560 It was cool and the same guy who played the 151 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:52.839 sacks was a floutist, so he so he did the 152 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.399 live jazz with the flute. And I'm telling you, live 153 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:57.800 music is my thing. I love it so much. And 154 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:00.439 I told my wife, who's listening probably right now, I said, 155 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:05.000 it's one of the most memorable birthdays. Not because it 156 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.920 was like especially like the best live music I've ever heard, 157 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:11.439 although I loved it, but it was more about because 158 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:14.879 I love it so much. And it was like when 159 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:18.000 my family cares about me enough to say, we're going 160 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:20.480 to do this for you. I mean, holy cow man, 161 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:22.639 driving us all the way there and doing all this 162 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:24.680 and doing this just because I love it. I felt 163 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.959 totally love great. It was great. 164 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:28.560 It was great. 165 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:30.680 And then and then we went to the most popular 166 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:35.199 restaurant in arbor. But guess what we found out that 167 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:38.399 it was actually in our in our arbor. It was 168 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:39.040 hash week. 169 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:40.240 Wow. 170 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.240 So it was weed weed week. So as we're walking 171 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:45.480 through the streets, we're like, why is every smell like marijuana? 172 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:47.399 Because and it was. 173 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:49.680 It was a we'd week, and we were like, why 174 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:50.519 did we come on? 175 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:52.199 We weed contact high? 176 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:54.519 And it's so funny, and we were just like we 177 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:58.519 were coming to our car. It was terrible. All right, well, hey, but. 178 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.639 You made it to live to see another day and 179 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:02.519 to tell the story. 180 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:08.560 That's right, that's right. And speaking of getting high, oh wow. 181 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:10.480 Come on, awkward transition. 182 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:16.439 You know, we don't need substances in our lives because 183 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:19.040 we get high on the spirit of God. 184 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:20.360 Come on, Holy Spirit. 185 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.240 That's it. That's all we need. We don't need nothing else. 186 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:25.560 That is so good. 187 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:30.120 It's so awful. Terrible transitions, that's what we're about. Oh man, oh, 188 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:31.800 I can't believe I even started with that. 189 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:34.799 Death would appreciate that for sure. 190 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:37.879 So we're going to jump in the Psalm chapter forty six, 191 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:40.080 and we're gonna and you are going to read all 192 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:40.759 eleven verses. 193 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:45.240 Okay, sweet, So this is a Psalm forty six n 194 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:49.080 LT right, yes, yes, okay, cool, We'll do one through 195 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:53.039 eleven correct, Okay, So God is our refuge instruments, always 196 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:55.759 ready to help in the times of trouble, So we 197 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:59.120 will not fear when earthquakes come and the mountains crumble 198 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:03.159 into the sea. Let the oceans roar and foam, Let 199 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.559 the mountains tremble as the waters surge. Verse four says 200 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:10.440 a river brings joy to the city of our God, 201 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:15.440 the sacred home of the most High. Verse five, God 202 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:19.240 dwells in that city. It cannot be destroyed. From the 203 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:22.759 very break of the day, God were protected. The nations 204 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.759 are in chaos, and their can kingdoms crumble. God's voice 205 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:31.159 thunders and the earth melts. The Lord of Heaven's Armies 206 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.440 is here among us. The God of Israel is our fortress. 207 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:39.080 So come see the glorious works of the Lord. See 208 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.840 how he brings destruction upon the world. He causes wars 209 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.879 to end throughout the earth. He breaks the bow and 210 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:50.720 snaps the spear. He burns the shields with fire. He 211 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.759 steal and know that I am God. I'm probably this 212 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:56.039 is probably my favorite verse out of the so far. 213 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:59.679 I will be honored by every nation. I will be 214 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:03.960 hones throughout the world. The Lord of Heaven's Armies is 215 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:07.639 here among us. The God of Israel is our fortress. 216 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:08.480 Wow. 217 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:12.720 And so let's remind our listeners that psalms were written 218 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:17.000 to music. And you're a musician. Yes, So there's a 219 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:20.360 sei lah or an interlude, which means a pause right 220 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:23.879 between verses seven and eight, and then obviously right after 221 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:28.240 the end and verse eleven, and actually even after verse three. 222 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:33.440 So this was saying in sort of three chunks, right, 223 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:36.480 And so let me read the note from the Life 224 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:39.519 Application of Study. Bible says this, and Psalm forty six 225 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.320 it says the theme is described this way. God is 226 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:46.679 always there to help, providing refuge, security and peace. God's 227 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:50.679 power is complete, and his ultimate victory is certain. He 228 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:54.399 will not fail to rescue those who love him. And 229 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:57.720 this is a for a choir director. And it's a 230 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:00.639 song of the descendants of Korra to be so by 231 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:04.279 soprano voices. How about that? Like so it actually includes 232 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:06.519 to be sung by sopranos. 233 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:07.440 Wow? 234 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:13.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I could sort of imagine it. 235 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:16.159 I just can't get the melody in my brain, right, 236 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.200 But I bet you back then, you know, I mean, 237 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:23.799 think about how complicated the Bible describes music, even back then. 238 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.519 In some ways it sounds even more intricate than it 239 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:29.000 does today. You know, we've sort of lost the beauty 240 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:33.279 of it with the technology, right and and and nowadays 241 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.440 you can just ask Ai to make you a song 242 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:41.600 and literally within five seconds they'll put up bangers, I 243 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:46.120 mean like number one hits, which is crazy. And even 244 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.879 before that, you know, just just you know, just making 245 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:54.639 your own tracks electronically. But back then, the intricacies of 246 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.240 the voices, the choirs, and it says choir directors, you 247 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:02.080 can imagine just how beautiful these lyrics must have been. Yeah, 248 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.720 you know what is cool if you have a song 249 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:09.440 or excuse me, a life appicasion of study Bible, which 250 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:12.320 is different than what you said. Nlt LT is the 251 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:16.440 translation that's the new living translation. That's how the that's 252 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.120 the verbidge of being translated from Greek and Hebrew and 253 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:25.200 Arabic to English, but different words. But the life aupication 254 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:29.120 of study Bible is how they package that translation, and 255 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:31.919 they package it with a study so in that it 256 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:36.480 says there's different songs that have inspired famous hymns, and 257 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:39.320 it looks like Psalm forty six that you just read 258 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.600 is the one that inspired a mighty fortress. Is our 259 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:46.159 God which I grew up saying, yeah, right, I don't 260 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:49.200 even remember. I don't even remember. I really don't. I 261 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:50.759 bet you've I heard it. I could sing the whole thing, 262 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:55.120 but it's been so long. But it's one that I 263 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:58.440 knew I have sung. I think honestly, I think I 264 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:01.480 sang it in Bible college. But I don't think our 265 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.000 church sang it, like the church I worked at for 266 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.919 seven years, this Baptist church, but we had hymndos in 267 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.600 this church, and I don't think this was one that 268 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:12.399 we sang. But I know I've sang it, and I 269 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:16.519 think it was in college. But there's several on here 270 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:19.840 by the way that that that I do know. But 271 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.000 Psalm twenty three, forty six, sixty one, eighty seven, ninety 272 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:30.600 one six all are famous. 273 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:31.159 Yeah. 274 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.600 What I love about this passage, thought ball, is that 275 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:41.080 Soalms forty six is a poetic reminder. That's how I'm 276 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:45.679 interpreted and I learned years ago. So in business, there's 277 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:49.720 this thing called business strategy, right yep. But in Psalms 278 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:51.840 forty six, I would like to think that this is 279 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.759 a divine strategy that gives us a sort of a 280 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:02.000 road map in navigating chaos. What do you do when 281 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.080 storms roar, when your back is up against the wall, 282 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:10.279 what do you do when there's all this sort of 283 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:12.279 external noise? 284 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:15.960 Right? And God is literally in verse one telling us 285 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:21.960 I am your refuge and I am your stress. Right. 286 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:25.799 Yeah. He takes the most fearful things at that time 287 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:30.639 for humanity, earthquakes, oceans that you know obviously take out 288 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.559 you know anything, oceans. The strength of the ocean is 289 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:36.960 to be respected. And he says, hey, let the oceans roar. 290 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:40.759 I mean, think about that. Think about their sailing capabilities 291 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.320 and how primitive they were. And he says, he says, 292 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:47.120 no matter what comes at you, God is our refuge 293 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:49.600 and strength, ready to help us in times of trouble. 294 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:53.399 And that's an amazing thought that. 295 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:56.399 He's not distant or late. He's very much so present. 296 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:00.759 Which is great. Yeah, river brings joy to to the 297 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:04.480 city of our God. I love that word picture as well. 298 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:10.720 You said poetic, right, And so as this psalm proclaims 299 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:15.159 the greatness of God verse number ten, it says, this, 300 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.039 be still and know that I'm God, which is the 301 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:21.360 one you said stuck out to you, right. This is 302 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:25.679 what the note says. It says war and destruction are inevitable, 303 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:28.799 but so is God's final victory. And at that time 304 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.679 we will all stand quietly before the all powerful Lord. 305 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:36.519 How proper then for us to be still now, reverently 306 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.440 honoring him and his power, Majesty, take time to be 307 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.159 still and to honor God. Now are you a person 308 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:47.679 who you do like a lot of prayer meditation for 309 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:51.200 a lot of us, add people like myself, it's hard 310 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.159 to do that. There are people that I know their 311 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.559 gift is prayer and they say, oh, you know, the 312 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:03.279 other day I prayed about ninety minutes into it and 313 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:08.200 I go and I say to myself, what ninety minutes in? Zoinks? 314 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:10.720 I'm thinking to myself, like, I am just the worst 315 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.320 Christian ever, right, And to be honest, it's a lot 316 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.799 less you know. So would I do just like any 317 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:21.679 classic ady d person is, I will do like, hey, 318 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:27.879 it's better to do quick snippets one hundred times a day, right, 319 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:30.639 so constantly keep it going, right, So that's what I do. 320 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.320 So I feel like I constantly pray through I got, 321 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:35.559 you know, throughout the day. And by the way, I 322 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.399 read that with Billy Graham's book, Billy Graham went to 323 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:41.720 bed in his book just as I am. I think 324 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:44.320 he said that he was with this other guy and 325 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:46.320 this other guy was falling around and like, wow, I'm 326 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:48.879 with the great Billy Graham, and so you know, he's like, 327 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:50.600 this is one of the most godly men that in 328 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:52.720 the world. And he says, I was so excited because 329 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:54.720 he said when we got to the hotel, we're going 330 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:56.320 to be in the same hotel room. And he goes, 331 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.159 and I was so excited to hear like how Billy 332 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:02.120 Graham says prayer at night. And he goes, he goes, 333 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.799 this is like, this is like the greatest moment ever. 334 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:08.599 And he says, we got into the room, we all 335 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.599 got ready, and he says, we got into bed, and 336 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.119 I'm just following his lead. He didn't say anything about prayers. 337 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:16.039 And he goes, so I just sort of like, you know, 338 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:18.440 I got into my queen size bed over here. He 339 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.039 got into his queen size bed over there, he says, 340 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.400 and you know, you know, shut off the light and 341 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:27.240 he says, and Billy Graham said out loud, good night Lord. 342 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:30.000 And that was it. And then he goes. 343 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:31.720 The next day, he goes, he asked him and he says, 344 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:33.400 I got to be honest, because I was expecting like 345 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:35.559 this big time of prayer and he says that Billy 346 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:40.200 Graham said, well, for me, there isn't a time when 347 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.440 I'm not praying throughout the day. And he said, I'm 348 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.519 constantly praying. And I heard that when I read the book, 349 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:49.160 and I thought, I thought, that's me, and that's that's 350 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.799 that's that's what I want to do obviously, right, and 351 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:55.240 so I want to be that person. But it also 352 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:59.759 made me feel better about not having like this big Okay, 353 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:03.599 somebody's praying with Pastor Chris, let's make this bedtime prayer 354 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.480 something to remember, right, right, because that's not me. And 355 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:11.200 so but anyway, my original question was about you, So 356 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:12.319 how do you lean? 357 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.000 I lean your way for sure. 358 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:17.559 A lot of times I am learning in this season 359 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:20.039 in my life to be what's called an indecessor, if 360 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:23.119 you will. And so I am getting longer with my prayers. 361 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:27.599 But those are intentional time for me to pray, and 362 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:30.119 then that's when I would be you know, longer in that. 363 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:33.960 But the Bible is very clear when he says, like 364 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:36.640 meditate on the word day to night, and so to me, 365 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:41.279 those conversations are intimate moments and times and intentional times 366 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:44.440 with prayer, like and all thy ways acknowledge me. And 367 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.240 so that's when I'm at work, when I'm dealing with 368 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:49.000 my family and somebody cuts me off in the middle 369 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:51.519 of the road, like whatever that is, these are intentional 370 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:54.119 times for me to literally pray. And so I do 371 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:56.960 the same thing that you do, because otherwise I'll be honest, 372 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:59.680 I'll forget, right, I will definitely forget. 373 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:02.240 It's really easy, and you know this, been thirty years 374 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:02.880 in ministry. 375 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:06.519 Is really easy to be to do the work of 376 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:10.440 God without him, right, right, And so I've learned to. 377 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:13.599 Yeah, as strange as that sounds, you could be around 378 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:16.720 the things of God without the presence of God or 379 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.400 connected to the power of the Holy Spirit, because if 380 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.720 your business is church things, then God is all around you. 381 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:25.599 And if not careful, you can view that as a 382 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.039 substitution for real intimacy with God. 383 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:30.640 Right, you can make that your idol. 384 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.119 Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, the work of God, right, correct, 385 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:36.960 which is which is the Bible talks about that the Pharisees. 386 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:41.039 The Pharisees righteousness was the stumbling block, right right, which 387 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:44.079 is crazy to think about, but Jesus talks about that, 388 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:46.799 and that is true. You know, you can make holiness 389 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:52.599 and real following and routine and rituals and church, you know, 390 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:57.680 actions and commandments. You could make that your thing without 391 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.880 actually loving the Father, right, right, you know, spending time 392 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.599 with Jesus. So you know, So what did Jesus say? 393 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:09.319 You know, your loving God is your active worship. It 394 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:11.759 is what is expected of you, right, just to love God. 395 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:16.599 And God says in the Old Testament. You know, obedience 396 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:20.160 is better than sacrifice. God doesn't want sacrifice, David says, 397 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:23.359 but a broken heart broken in contract heart. He wants 398 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:26.359 the relational piece of us. So yeah, that's that's all 399 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:28.759 good stuff. Hey, real quick, I got to tell you 400 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:32.839 this quick story. Are you familiar with doctor Charles Stanley. Yes, okay, 401 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:37.039