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Hey, Adam. Peter Martin.

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I am so excited about the album we're covering today,

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Man. I am super

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excited. Thing is, I don't know what it is. Oh,

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You don't? No. I don't know what it Oh,

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you didn't get the memo? No.

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Um, well this is cool.

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This is gonna be right in your wheelhouse.

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I think it came out right when you

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were sort of coming of age.

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We're talking late nineties Mm.

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We're talking early two thousands. Yes. We're talking Y2K

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Buddy. This is in

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my wheelhouse. I did have frosted tips.

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Okay, great. Um,

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actually I'll just play you a little, you you're gonna know what this is.

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Alright.

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Oh yeah. Dr. Dre's Chronic 2001. That's a classic.

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Oh, you talking about Yeah, yeah, yeah. Still Dre.

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Yeah. Yeah. The DRE That doesn't get any better.

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Allow me to educate you,

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Uh, or miseducate me, as it were.

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I'm Adam

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Maness. And I'm Peter Martin. And

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You're listening to the You'll Hear It Podcast. Music.

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Explored. Explored, brought to you today by Open Studio.

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Go to openstudiojazz.com.

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For all your jazz lesson needs. Right now.

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Well, yeah. Right now. Go there. Right now.

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Go, go there. Pause this, pause this,

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and then go to openstudiojazz.com.

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Finish this. Okay.

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Finish this, but then promise to go afterwards. Right

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There where there is no miseducation,

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there is only education.

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Right. But today on the show, there's plenty of Miseducation

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because we are listening to the Miseducation

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of Lauryn Hill by Lauryn Hill. Yes.

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The rare album title that includes the name

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of the artist as well.

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I, so it's Lauryn Hill's Miseducation of Lauryn Hill.

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I dig it. I really like it.

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This was released August 25th, 1998. Uh, this is

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Summer of 98.

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Summer of 98. Just, I mean,

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Summer of 98 picture it.

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Truman Show. Yeah.

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People are just starting to get a little scared about the,

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uh, Y 2K, but it's not really dominating

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Radar. It's on radar. Yeah.

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Uh, no. I love 98.

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I, uh, I was a young man. I was but 19 years old Yeah.

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When this album came out. And it was a huge one for me.

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This was just like everywhere.

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Everyone my age and probably many ages

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was into this album. Yeah. Younger

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And Older. It's one

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of the bestselling albums of the nineties. I

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selling albums of all time. Of

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All time. Yeah. Yeah.

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It's a, it's a Grammy winner.

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And Lauryn, it propelled Lauryn Hill

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to Legit Superstar status.

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And uh, it's the only studio album that she's ever made.

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I know. It's crazy. As a solo artist, which is nuts.

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Like I know. She hasn't done anything since, I mean, with,

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and it's crazy 'cause it's so huge.

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Right. But I mean, we gotta remember she was already huge

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With the Fugees. That's right.

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Gie Fugees. What did I say? You

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Say ies, so you're referring to Yeah.

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Uh, the Fugees. This is from the score.

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I feel like this was singing My,

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This was on the radio MTV movies.

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Everything for like, I feel like a year. Yeah. If

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Not Longer. This is 96.

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Scored 96. Yeah.

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tell you something as a high schooler when

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this song came out Yeah.

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Whose main attractive quality was to be a musician.

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That's right. Because you were like,

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that's actually Roberta Flack song.

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No, no, no. Peter.

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Because the song is about falling in love with a musician.

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And I was like, oh no. It's kind of cool. Right? Yeah.

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How'd that Work for you? Kind of worked well.

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Uh, but that was, um, that might have been some,

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Fugees where Fugees Fu

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if you had to name the sound of the mid to late nineties.

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Like, you could name some other things,

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but this would be, you'd be, you'd be Right.

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You know? So, I mean, that's like Lauryn Hill, even

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Now on. I'm so sorry.

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Wcl. I'm so, so sorry.

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Um, this wasn't though for a lot of people.

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Their first introduction to Lauryn Hill. What do you know?

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Oh, about this Deep

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and I sing

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Like Who she

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Singing with. She's saying

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This is from Sister Act two,

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which is he Oho fairly successful

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sequel all things considered.

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'cause as you know, I'm a huge Whoopie Goldberg fan,

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Love you, Whoopie. Ghost. Uh, Ghost is amazing.

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Shout out Jumping Jack Flash. Shout out. Right.

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Um, but yeah, that's from Sister Act two.

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A lot of people, uh, discovered Lauryn Hill.

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Lauryn Hill had done some acting Yeah.

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and singing there, including Yeah.

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Preco in this movie. Yeah.

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this is not too far a after the score was a big hit.

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She used a ton of musicians to make this album

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to help produce. And,

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And can we just go right back?

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I was just remembering Yeah. The order of it, um,

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from the score Killing me softly.

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of 1996. Incredible

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version is one we've listened to before on this show.

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resurgence for Roberta Fla.

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Like, older people remember. Absolutely.

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But then Ready Or Not Remember that

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that was almost bigger, you know, great song too.

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That was great. That was, that was a big one.

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Again, dominating. I mean, just that the sound. Yeah.

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You know what I mean? Uh, really became just

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so influential. Sorry. No, it's

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Okay. Please go ahead. It's okay. So

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she's got a lot

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of heat going in nine seven when she starts

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to make her solo album.

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And we'll talk about all the people on this album

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and then some, maybe some of the controversy around some of

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that later that came out.

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Um, but let's get into The Miseducation. Yeah.

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This, um, like a lot of great albums,

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especially hip hop albums from the nineties has some

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sound design, some sketches.

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Yeah. Some things that happen. Yeah. And I love this.

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This is about, uh,

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it's a concept album about getting educated

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about love, essentially.

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I never learned anything about Love in

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a classroom, by the way.

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High school. So used find, when I

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call your name Wolfe, Beverly

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Simmons. Phillip Valdez. Gabrielle.

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and to Mitchell Sutton

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and Laurie Thomas, Taryn, Lucas, Camia,

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Caldwell, Tamika Marshall,

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Lauryn Hill, Lauryn,

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Her name kind of stuck out.

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One of the great transitions ever is from

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that brief roll call to the first song mm-hmm.

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Lost Ones one of the great opening tracks ever.

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It's funny how money changes situation, miscommunication,

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lead the complication.

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My emancipation don't enjoy equation.

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I was on the humble you on every stage,

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play Young Lauryn like she done.

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But remember not to game the one of the son.

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Everything you did has already been done.

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I know all the tricks from

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Understand thing Test Me run.

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It's pretty far away from his eyes on the sparrow.

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Exactly. That we heard in Sister Act two.

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And it's also like, you know, at first it's kind

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of like the Fugeess,

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but then you're like, wait, oh, it's only Lord's voice.

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Yeah. In terms, but she's not singing at first. Yeah.

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Which is gonna be beg the question.

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Like, is this a hip hop album? Is this a rap album?

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Is this an r and b album? Is this a soul album?

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Is this kind of a rock folk album

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folded in there as well? It's

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It's got a lot going for it.

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It's got a lot of different flavors on it. Yeah. And

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There's a lot of rapping before they're singing though.

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There is. Which which is obviously intentional. Well,

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Luckily she's pretty awesome at all of it. Yeah.

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I mean, like, well, and the crazy thing about this is if

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my sources are correct, if my notes are correct, um,

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full disclosure, we are not music journalists.

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We're music appreciators, music lovers, and music players.

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You know, you say that every single episode

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and I'm gonna start pushing back

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because I'm going to Mizzou Night School

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for my music journalism degree.

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Shout up Mizzou. Pretty soon. That's

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Not gonna be True.

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Go Tigers. It's not true yet. Um, no.

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So this is, I believe the second

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or third, uh, bestselling rap.

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If you consider this a rap, what does that mean? An album?

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That is why you say like, that has a lot of rap

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On it. Why do you gotta say rap like that

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Hip hop? 'cause I don't know.

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I mean, what does that mean?

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I don't wanna be that guy, you know?

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But I'm saying that there, there,

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this is not like there's an occasional, like, she goes

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to some non song.

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I mean, like, she is rapping on this.

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That's a big part of what this is.

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And it's been classified as number two only behind, uh,

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Eminem who had some big records.

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So like, above Dr. Dre Snoop. Um, yeah.

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But, but here's the thing. Here's why this is so special

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and here's why Lauryn Hill's so special.

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Like Eminem amazing. Obviously can't do this.

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Yo, yo, He can do that part. Yo yo. Yeah,

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He's great at that.

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This Is the second track Ex Factor

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All. So

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That's gotta po Right.

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And check this out. The Tiffany.

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The Tiffany, that's a very weird

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Thing to program in.

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I love it.

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Her counterpoint

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Vocals So

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Good. Not sure which

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musicians are on each individual track

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as opposed, except for a couple of of exceptions, but yeah.

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Likely James Poyser,

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Every time there's some hip keyboards played, it is joint.

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Yeah. It's gotta be James. It's

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Gotta be James Poyser. Right?

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You can tell Yeah. That that's a very unusual instrument

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To use. Buddy.

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I am a sucker for all things orchestral instruments used

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in these kinds of samples.

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Like everything from chronic 2001 like that.

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Right.

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Her voice is so beautiful. Her vocal stylings are so

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I know what we gotta do.

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But Then her spoken word stuff is so cool and authentic

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and not like it, it holds up so well.

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What you doing?

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We're gonna stop it there, because

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that's coming up on my Apex moment for a little bit later.

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Okay. So we're just gonna hold tight there. Yeah.

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So that's Ex Factor. That's the second track on the album.

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Yeah. More sketches

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after this where the teacher discusses love with the kids.

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They're like interludes at the end of the tracks. Inter

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Losing, losing at the end of the

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tracks, which are so good.

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Uh, third Track is a song written to, uh,

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Lauryn's young son, Zion.

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Yeah. And this features Carlos Santana,

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which is gonna play out here in

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another year after this album.

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One day. I'm gonna understand.

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Woo. Carlos Santana.

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Hello Santana. Man. That Bad dude.

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Well, Idris Muhammad

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Muhammad sample we talked about in our discussion

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with the One Song Lads.

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This is from that Lou Donaldson track.

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Yep. Idris Muhammad, of course, one

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of the greatest drummers ever come out

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of New Orleans or anywhere.

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And with that snare drum that March, one

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of the most sampled hip hop.

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Can we just listen to that as the

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beat drops one more time on this?

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Sure. Because this is one, I think this is the,

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this has been sampled so much.

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I think this is the best placement of it though.

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One day he's got Carlos Santana setting it up. That's nice.

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That's really interesting. And Lauryn Hill's like,

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And everything that's around it,

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all the production around the sample, that

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Blue.

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Oh,

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What's crazy about this is

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it's basically Santana just blowing through the whole thing.

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Right. He never stops. Solo

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Man. Never stopped.

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And there's two of them,

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And there's two of them. I wonder if

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they just like,

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gave him a couple takes and used,

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I'm sure Unsure what the

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held Oh, I touched my belly, overwhelmed by

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what I had been chosen to perform

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Down that alto.

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But Angel came one day, told me to knee down

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and pray for man,

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bold, this crazy circumstance.

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I knew his life deserved a chance,

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but everybody told me,

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look at your career.

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They say, well,

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She's real low in her range Here.

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Very low because she's about to take it up. Yeah.

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Oh, she's so grateful

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That

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Oh, the way she holds without vibrato.

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For sure. But then what are you doing?

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And Aris, the Aris Muhammad sample keeps going.

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Santana never stops.

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Yeah. The and the two

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and the way they have it mixed with the two Santana,

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there's one is Sublimated Yeah.

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And one is out front. And the way they, that

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that conversation and then Lauryn Hill's conversation

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with her own vocal counterpoint.

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Yeah. And made her ability to, to, I, I don't even want

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to try to imitate it, but where,

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but basically the vibrato is when, or you can do it.

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You, you can sing it. Could you start with a note

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with Al Vibrato

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and then you hold, then you go into some, some long vibrato.

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Well, we don't like to think about it like that

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as vocalist Peter, which as you know, I'm very serious. Is

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There better terminology for it than that?

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No. Yeah. That's it. Exactly.

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Thank you very much. But

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It's fun for you guys. Thank you

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very much. Yeah. You don't have to be a vocalist.

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He's not. I'm not. No, he is.

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No, but, but like, when you hear somebody like LaurynHill

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that it, it's very easy to be like, oh,

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she's such a gifted singer.

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Yeah. Duh. Newsflash.

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But like the, the different levers that she has

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to pull vocally

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where you connect the voice with the artistry.

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Like what is that about?

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We talk about that on piano, on keys, on bass,

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on drums, on anything.

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But with, for a vocalist, their instrument is their voice.

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Mm. But to have that kind of control, to make that decision,

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not just as sort of vocal pyro techniques,

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although, you know, she's got a lot of that too.

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But to be able to connect that with the artistry

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of telling the story, coming out of

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that lower register the Alto

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and going up, I guess she's still kind of alto,

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but getting up maybe a little bit beginning

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Of Yeah. Yeah. Like the, the

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mezzo range. She's soprano thing.

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Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

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She was 22 years old when she started working on this album.

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Damn. And she was pregnant with Zion. Yeah.

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And she started Zion with, um, is the son of Rohan  Marley

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and the grandson of Bob Marley.

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That's right. So a little bit of music royalty there.

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Uh, and the song is about motherhood

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and the spiritual transformation pressures

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to choose her career over motherhood.

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Which by the way, like this album, a lot

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of this album, it's about love.

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Of course. Yeah. And about heartbreak

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and in, in certain points and about falling in love

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and about the complications of trying to

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be in a relationship with someone. And ooh, there was

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Some sticky wickets during,

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There's there's lot, there's a lot of, during

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that time I remember lot, lot of dirtiness going on as far

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as just like, how, how relationships

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between people are messy sometimes.

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But, uh, I think that it's dudes

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Dudes mess up everything.

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Yeah. I love, one of the things I love about this album is

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how, how much he talks about the process of being an artist

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and like the process of being a human

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and an artist at the same time.

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Yeah. There's pressures

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and there's, there's, um, there's lots of choices

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to be made along the road of creating art.

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And especially when you get to the level that she's at,

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at this point in her life, where she's

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one of the biggest stars in the world.

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She's 22 years old, which is so

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Crazy to hear.

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I know. But I'm remembering like to think about

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because the maturity of her voice and her vocal stylings.

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Like that's the thing. I mean, there've been plenty

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of great singers at 22 and 16 and nine or whatever.

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Um, and like we talk about a Stevie Wonder

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or somebody that, that comes up

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and is doing just genius vocal stuff well below

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before the stage, but also, but she's in that range though.

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You know what I mean? Like her, the maturity

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of her voice when you hear, it's not

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that somebody can be a great musician

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or sing great when they're 22,

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but to kind of have that, that sort

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of almost elder statesman at the same time approach to

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how the storytelling is coming

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Across. Oh man, the

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songwriting is,

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is incredible. Yeah. The production is,

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Which did most, well, I Mean, she, if you think about,

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if you really break this down, and I know

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that there's gonna be, we can talk about some

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of the detractors that have since

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come outta the woodwork since then.

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And, and, and people saying, well,

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she hasn't done anything else since this or whatever.

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But like, what she's doing here is like,

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think about all the tools she's bringing to the,

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the skillset she's bringing.

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Right. So the rapping and the singing. Yeah.

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The songwriting and the producing.

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She's also insanely stylish. Yeah.

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She, she looks like a movie star. Yeah.

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I It's like Miles Davis level of cool. Yeah.

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A accompanying all this.

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And she's 22 years old

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as she's doing this and, and a new mom.

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Yeah. It's crazy. Like this is like, and

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She'd already been in like the, the,

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the Fugees since she was, uh, in high school. I know. You

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Know, it's nuts. And also

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Too, I believe that, I hope I'm not speaking outta turn.

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I'm not, um, a, a journalist yet.

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But, um, for Zion, like that she was pregnant with her.

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That was her first born, I believe. I believe so.

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And, um, she credits that pregnancy in him

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with getting her out of some writer's block

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on this album before that.

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Um, which is interesting. She definitely got through that.

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So next, I mean, this is, so first of all,

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just the first three songs.

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Yeah. Unbelievable. Lost Ones, Ex Factor, Zion.

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And then comes a huge hit.

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Yeah. This was the biggest Wasn't I on here? Yeah.

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Or it was the first biggest hit

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On here. This is such

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a fun song. This is such a great video too.

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Yo, my Men, my Women. Don't forget about the

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How do you connect Duo rap

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strings

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On this?

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Can I just say that I did so many studio sessions in

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the two thousands Yeah.

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Where they just wanted me to,

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To, yeah. Yeah. I had

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To do this so Much. Right.

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490
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Thanks Lauryn. Thanks Lauryn. And you know what?

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The way she wrapped, I remember when she was doing this,

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even with the, with the Fugees

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before this ies, um, ity,

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the Fugees a big fan.

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Um,

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Like She wrapped in a way that was not like a lot

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of the female rappers at the time, this is not like

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that kind of mc like salt and pepper who were great.

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I mean, like, that was the without them,

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there is no Lauryn. There

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Will be no salt and pepper slander

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on this podcast. Peter,

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I love. But like,

504
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it would've been easy for her to fall.

505
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She's, this is more like Ice Cube, you know, biggie.

506
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Well, I guess this is a little before. No, no biggie. Yeah.

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This time. Um, I mean she was like,

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but her own way of doing it too, like she was very,

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very much like, had her own approach,

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but it was not sort of like, I'm a typical, um,

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female rapper.

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I think she sounds great. You have

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To unpeel the rapper to see the artist boy. There you go.

514
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Okay, next up is Superstar. Yeah. Yo,

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Hip hop started out in the heart.

516
00:21:50,015 --> 00:21:53,565
Uhhuh. Yo, not everybody trying to char say what hip

517
00:21:54,195 --> 00:21:55,405
started out in the heart.

518
00:21:56,635 --> 00:22:01,165
Everybody. Come on baby. Come on baby.

519
00:22:01,395 --> 00:22:05,565
Come on now baby. Come on. Come on now, baby.

520
00:22:05,635 --> 00:22:08,845
Come on now baby. Come on now baby. Come on.

521
00:22:10,435 --> 00:22:14,605
Come on baby. Okay, so now

522
00:22:15,025 --> 00:22:16,325
how far behind is she on that?

523
00:22:16,785 --> 00:22:18,285
That's already that So

524
00:22:18,285 --> 00:22:19,285
Tired. Everybody's

525
00:22:19,285 --> 00:22:21,245
like, oh, that was voodoo. Is what

526
00:22:21,695 --> 00:22:24,525
Music is supposed to inspire.

527
00:22:24,985 --> 00:22:26,245
Oh man, she's laying back.

528
00:22:27,465 --> 00:22:28,285
How come we

529
00:22:28,375 --> 00:22:32,845
ain't now?

530
00:22:32,915 --> 00:22:33,365
Tell me

531
00:22:37,905 --> 00:22:38,925
on exactly

532
00:22:39,355 --> 00:22:41,285
What an artist Should be.

533
00:22:42,235 --> 00:22:44,085
This is what I'm saying, this commentary on

534
00:22:45,225 --> 00:22:47,325
how music is made, how art should be made.

535
00:22:47,605 --> 00:22:49,285
I love this. This is one of my favorite subjects

536
00:22:49,285 --> 00:22:50,565
that happens throughout this album

537
00:22:59,595 --> 00:23:02,085
Without Above.

538
00:23:06,745 --> 00:23:08,285
That's a hack right there. You want, uh,

539
00:23:08,395 --> 00:23:10,205
some little mystical touches on your album? Oh,

540
00:23:10,205 --> 00:23:11,205
Yeah. You throw a harp on that. Yeah.

541
00:23:11,205 --> 00:23:12,005
Ethereal.

542
00:23:12,265 --> 00:23:15,965
Put a harp on It. Not a, um, nocturnal. Dreamy, yeah.

543
00:23:15,965 --> 00:23:19,445
Dreamy curly gates. Little turn gate,

544
00:23:19,445 --> 00:23:20,445
Little curly gates. Little

545
00:23:20,445 --> 00:23:24,365
death. Yeah. That's superstar. More of that later.

546
00:23:24,625 --> 00:23:26,645
Oh yeah. Whole hills. Yeah. Uh,

547
00:23:26,645 --> 00:23:29,085
Then we got, we have a couple final hour.

548
00:23:29,185 --> 00:23:30,405
Ooh, we gotta play a little bit.

549
00:23:30,405 --> 00:23:32,085
There's so many tracks on this album, Peter.

550
00:23:32,085 --> 00:23:33,845
We can't play everything. Final hour is great.

551
00:23:34,065 --> 00:23:36,125
We gotta play just a little bit of when it hurts so bad.

552
00:23:36,255 --> 00:23:38,245
We're gonna see if Columbia Records let us play any

553
00:23:38,245 --> 00:23:39,605
of it for

554
00:23:39,605 --> 00:23:40,605
That matter. When hurts.

555
00:23:40,605 --> 00:23:41,155

556
00:23:48,185 --> 00:23:50,045
Oh, this has a great break. We gotta get some break.

557
00:23:51,385 --> 00:23:52,885
Can I just say what else is on this album?

558
00:23:53,275 --> 00:23:54,365
There's so many examples.

559
00:23:56,695 --> 00:23:57,695
We'll come Back to It.

560
00:23:57,695 --> 00:23:58,485
There are so many examples.

561
00:23:58,485 --> 00:24:00,645
She uses the two chord.

562
00:24:00,865 --> 00:24:02,965
Oh, the two chord is all over the

563
00:24:03,015 --> 00:24:04,085
Don't stop listening now.

564
00:24:04,115 --> 00:24:05,115
This is gonna sound good.

565
00:24:06,105 --> 00:24:07,285
So, right. So we're here when the key

566
00:24:07,285 --> 00:24:09,005
of c when it hurts a better, a minor.

567
00:24:10,835 --> 00:24:12,365
Yeah. Right. She does like a two.

568
00:24:13,665 --> 00:24:14,885
In this case, it goes up into three,

569
00:24:14,885 --> 00:24:15,925
but there are a lot of tracks.

570
00:24:16,825 --> 00:24:17,845
Or it goes down to the one.

571
00:24:17,955 --> 00:24:21,405
Yeah. But

572
00:24:21,405 --> 00:24:22,725
That's almost like going, like,

573
00:24:22,745 --> 00:24:25,085
that's the temporary one going up to the two.

574
00:24:25,085 --> 00:24:26,925
Like the three is almost like the two, you know,

575
00:24:29,565 --> 00:24:31,045
I, I, I admit I must

576
00:24:31,045 --> 00:24:32,325
have ripped that off a bunch of times.

577
00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:35,525
Really? Okay. Songwriting as well. Yeah. All good. Um, okay.

578
00:24:35,525 --> 00:24:37,445
Sorry. Back to it. What are you doing? What do you

579
00:24:38,945 --> 00:24:42,125
We gotta get to at least, um, the breakdown.

580
00:24:42,155 --> 00:24:43,155
It's like a minute in.

581
00:24:46,835 --> 00:24:47,125
Okay.

582
00:24:58,065 --> 00:24:59,445
We gotta talk about Jamaica too,

583
00:25:00,115 --> 00:25:03,165
because the musicians on here, the vibe there

584
00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:04,545
Is in the house. Yeah.

585
00:25:04,545 --> 00:25:06,165
There's all sorts of, here we go,

586
00:25:23,495 --> 00:25:28,005
Chris, You hear that little,

587
00:25:28,395 --> 00:25:29,525
that little reggae thing in there.

588
00:25:34,685 --> 00:25:35,045
I love that.

589
00:25:39,865 --> 00:25:41,125
And her layering is like

590
00:25:42,025 --> 00:25:43,485
All of, all of the improvisations

591
00:25:43,485 --> 00:25:44,645
happen around in the vocals.

592
00:25:44,645 --> 00:25:46,125
Yeah. She's so good at that. Okay.

593
00:25:46,305 --> 00:25:48,925
Now we're about to add some royalty to the situation. Oh.

594
00:25:49,025 --> 00:25:52,365
So hello. We're about to add one of the queens Yeah.

595
00:25:52,945 --> 00:25:55,525
To the cocktail. Yeah. Mary J Blige.

596
00:25:56,225 --> 00:25:58,645
Now I don't, I love the song

597
00:25:58,645 --> 00:25:59,645
So much.

598
00:26:05,045 --> 00:26:06,045
I

599
00:26:10,525 --> 00:26:14,765
I what I, what I, All of

600
00:26:14,765 --> 00:26:16,445
The men, the baselines,

601
00:26:17,345 --> 00:26:20,045
the core changes on this whole album are so epic.

602
00:26:20,395 --> 00:26:23,085
They're like evoke something truly special

603
00:26:35,645 --> 00:26:36,445
Situation, uh,

604
00:26:43,105 --> 00:26:48,085
Was the ocean And

605
00:26:48,965 --> 00:26:50,445
I Was the same.

606
00:26:52,625 --> 00:26:55,245
He my heart

607
00:26:57,995 --> 00:26:59,125
Like a thief

608
00:27:08,945 --> 00:27:09,165
and,

609
00:27:11,905 --> 00:27:12,125
And

610
00:27:18,075 --> 00:27:18,365
love

611
00:27:55,195 --> 00:27:56,605
Mary J. Blige on the feature there.

612
00:27:56,745 --> 00:27:58,245
So Killer Mary J. Blige.

613
00:27:58,245 --> 00:28:01,325
Only a couple years out, just a few years later.

614
00:28:02,985 --> 00:28:05,165
Oh, hello. You know what I mean? Huh?

615
00:28:07,025 --> 00:28:10,645
That's peak Mary J right there. Dang. Okay. So we

616
00:28:10,645 --> 00:28:14,325
Alluded to, We alluded to the jam.

617
00:28:14,445 --> 00:28:16,085
I mean, a lot of this record was recorded in

618
00:28:16,085 --> 00:28:17,245
Jamaica, was tracked down there.

619
00:28:17,245 --> 00:28:18,645
Yeah. In Kingston. Yeah. Yeah.

620
00:28:18,745 --> 00:28:22,205
And the rich musical tradition there, the beats, the drops,

621
00:28:22,825 --> 00:28:25,205
uh, the way the drums played, the way the bass is played,

622
00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:26,485
the way that snare drum is.

623
00:28:26,865 --> 00:28:30,645
Um, Lauryn Hill said that she quote, wanted to write songs

624
00:28:30,645 --> 00:28:33,565
that lyrically, sorry, I'm not a journalist.

625
00:28:33,815 --> 00:28:36,645
Quote, write songs that lyrically move me

626
00:28:37,025 --> 00:28:39,165
and have the integrity of reggae.

627
00:28:39,165 --> 00:28:41,325
Yeah. And the knock of hip hop

628
00:28:41,865 --> 00:28:44,405
and the instrumentation of classic soul.

629
00:28:45,625 --> 00:28:49,205
Um, and then, you know, she was, she talked about later on,

630
00:28:50,195 --> 00:28:52,205
this might get into a little bit of a nebulous,

631
00:28:52,725 --> 00:28:54,685
historically, historically nebulous area

632
00:28:55,035 --> 00:28:57,885
that there was pressure from, uh, the label

633
00:28:58,835 --> 00:29:01,205
that this be a very much, I mean, you know,

634
00:29:01,205 --> 00:29:03,565
prince was still like, basically

635
00:29:03,565 --> 00:29:06,245
that they were gonna set things up like she was a female

636
00:29:06,585 --> 00:29:08,445
prince, as in the artist prince.

637
00:29:08,585 --> 00:29:10,245
And that like, she's producing everything.

638
00:29:10,335 --> 00:29:11,885
She's writing everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

639
00:29:11,885 --> 00:29:14,045
That it was listed at that, that that was part of the shtick

640
00:29:14,145 --> 00:29:16,445
of part of the interesting, the lore of the album.

641
00:29:16,965 --> 00:29:19,125
Interesting. And she said that was a difficult position kind

642
00:29:19,125 --> 00:29:20,205
of that it put her in, you know?

643
00:29:20,205 --> 00:29:23,245
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I believe led you know, led

644
00:29:23,245 --> 00:29:24,765
to this whole situation with some

645
00:29:24,765 --> 00:29:26,045
of the other, uh, what was it called?

646
00:29:26,065 --> 00:29:31,045
The, the new Arc production folks. Veda Nobles, Rashim Poo.

647
00:29:31,225 --> 00:29:32,445
And, uh, JHA

648
00:29:32,705 --> 00:29:36,965
and Ted, sorry, I'm messing up this TMO Newton,

649
00:29:37,335 --> 00:29:38,405
their credit on the album

650
00:29:38,465 --> 00:29:41,925
for additional music contributions, lyrical contribution,

651
00:29:41,925 --> 00:29:42,925
additional production.

652
00:29:43,305 --> 00:29:44,725
But they claim that they were the primary

653
00:29:45,635 --> 00:29:47,405
songwriters on everything is everything.

654
00:29:47,785 --> 00:29:50,285
Uh, nothing even matters. Maybe a couple other tracks.

655
00:29:50,485 --> 00:29:52,685
Lauryn Hill credited as the album's writer, producer,

656
00:29:52,685 --> 00:29:54,165
ranger, and performer.

657
00:29:54,165 --> 00:29:56,165
Only in a very prince like way, very

658
00:29:56,165 --> 00:29:57,005
Prince like way. Yeah.

659
00:29:57,005 --> 00:29:58,325
So where do you fall down on that, sir?

660
00:29:59,635 --> 00:30:01,205
Well, I mean, listen.

661
00:30:02,225 --> 00:30:05,045
Uh, is it, would that if it were true, yeah.

662
00:30:05,335 --> 00:30:07,805
Would that be anything new in the history of music? Exactly.

663
00:30:08,165 --> 00:30:09,765
I mean, did Duke Ellington, Miles Davis

664
00:30:09,905 --> 00:30:10,965
not do similar things?

665
00:30:10,975 --> 00:30:13,045
Right. And do they get a bunch? Did Billy

666
00:30:13,045 --> 00:30:14,045
Strayhorn exist?

667
00:30:14,085 --> 00:30:15,165
I mean, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

668
00:30:15,165 --> 00:30:16,885
So, you know, it is what it is.

669
00:30:16,885 --> 00:30:19,085
And of course there's like, then the famous a couple years

670
00:30:19,145 --> 00:30:21,965
ago, um, Robert Glassborough on a morning show.

671
00:30:22,085 --> 00:30:23,965
I forget where it was. Or even if

672
00:30:23,965 --> 00:30:24,965
It wasn't something morning show.

673
00:30:25,195 --> 00:30:28,645
Yeah. But, uh, talks about how he has friends who had,

674
00:30:28,645 --> 00:30:29,965
didn't get credited on this album

675
00:30:30,145 --> 00:30:32,085
for making some of the music. So Yeah.

676
00:30:32,085 --> 00:30:35,245
I mean, stealing versus influences versus borrowing versus

677
00:30:35,465 --> 00:30:36,685
you, you know, don't even know

678
00:30:36,685 --> 00:30:37,885
that you're playing something that you heard

679
00:30:37,885 --> 00:30:38,885
Getting paid. We won't be in there getting

680
00:30:38,885 --> 00:30:39,725
what you should get paid.

681
00:30:39,885 --> 00:30:41,565
I mean, this is something that we can talk about forever

682
00:30:41,675 --> 00:30:43,085
with a lot of albums.

683
00:30:43,945 --> 00:30:45,525
Um, you know, I don't know.

684
00:30:45,565 --> 00:30:47,805
I don't know much about that part of it. Yeah.

685
00:30:47,985 --> 00:30:50,205
But it, that kind of stuff for me, it's interesting

686
00:30:50,365 --> 00:30:52,725
'cause like, that never really taints the

687
00:30:52,725 --> 00:30:53,805
music for me. No. Ever.

688
00:30:54,125 --> 00:30:55,525
I guess Lauryn is all over this record.

689
00:30:55,525 --> 00:30:57,605
Whether or not there were additional music product,

690
00:30:57,665 --> 00:30:59,125
you know, credits or songwriting

691
00:30:59,125 --> 00:31:00,725
or like, that's sort of a gray area.

692
00:31:00,755 --> 00:31:03,645
Dude, I see a list of musicians this long. Right.

693
00:31:04,015 --> 00:31:06,485
Think about it on the album. I know I'm assuming there's a

694
00:31:06,485 --> 00:31:08,285
lot of collaborations, a lot

695
00:31:08,285 --> 00:31:09,965
of late nights, a lot of suggestions. And I'm

696
00:31:09,965 --> 00:31:11,205
Also assuming there's more musicians

697
00:31:11,205 --> 00:31:12,845
that didn't make it on that list for whatever reason.

698
00:31:13,065 --> 00:31:14,205
100%. You know what I mean? Assuming

699
00:31:14,205 --> 00:31:16,045
that people did more than they got credit for.

700
00:31:16,045 --> 00:31:17,885
Yeah. I mean, how many albums have you been on, Peter,

701
00:31:17,885 --> 00:31:20,325
where you did a lot more than you maybe got? I

702
00:31:20,325 --> 00:31:21,645
Was on this one and I'm, I'm hoping,

703
00:31:21,865 --> 00:31:23,805
I'm hoping this this episode will get me paid

704
00:31:23,805 --> 00:31:25,605
for finally. No, but just, just to,

705
00:31:25,865 --> 00:31:27,125
Not that you shouldn't call that out when it,

706
00:31:27,125 --> 00:31:28,445
when it happens or whatever if like, but,

707
00:31:28,445 --> 00:31:29,965
but to me it doesn't like the,

708
00:31:30,145 --> 00:31:31,685
the experience of listening to the music.

709
00:31:32,045 --> 00:31:33,805
I, I enjoy every artist that, well,

710
00:31:33,945 --> 00:31:34,945
She was trying to hide. I mean, she

711
00:31:34,945 --> 00:31:36,085
got a lot of people listed on there.

712
00:31:36,085 --> 00:31:37,645
It's not like, you know, and,

713
00:31:37,665 --> 00:31:39,125
and the Newark folks were listed.

714
00:31:39,145 --> 00:31:40,605
It was just how they were. And in any case,

715
00:31:40,605 --> 00:31:42,845
the suit was settled out of court in 2001.

716
00:31:43,065 --> 00:31:45,925
As these things often are with sampling, with interpolation,

717
00:31:45,955 --> 00:31:47,685
with production versus songwriting.

718
00:31:48,005 --> 00:31:49,925
I mean, the record made a pile of money.

719
00:31:50,195 --> 00:31:51,685
Like this was one of the biggest records

720
00:31:51,705 --> 00:31:52,765
of the night. I mean, it's crazy.

721
00:31:52,765 --> 00:31:54,005
20 million Elms or something like that.

722
00:31:54,115 --> 00:31:55,365
More than 20 million, I think. Jesus.

723
00:31:55,545 --> 00:31:57,165
And which begs the question, I wanna say like,

724
00:31:57,165 --> 00:32:00,205
this gets into that territory of like, um,

725
00:32:01,865 --> 00:32:03,125
of like mega records.

726
00:32:03,485 --> 00:32:05,405
I I think the timing of it helps a little bit still

727
00:32:05,405 --> 00:32:06,405
In the CD era, by the way. So

728
00:32:06,405 --> 00:32:08,525
it was like all profits Exactly.

729
00:32:08,585 --> 00:32:11,365
$22 for a CD right. Back in 98.

730
00:32:11,495 --> 00:32:13,325
Right? Right. $16 maybe, if you like.

731
00:32:13,345 --> 00:32:15,245
And they'd already brought down the cost, you know,

732
00:32:15,305 --> 00:32:16,765
to like 30 cents or whatever it

733
00:32:16,765 --> 00:32:17,845
costs to make this, could you

734
00:32:17,845 --> 00:32:20,685
Imagine paying $16 per album right now?

735
00:32:20,885 --> 00:32:21,805
I know that's crazy For

736
00:32:21,805 --> 00:32:23,565
everything you listen to, right? Remember that? Yeah.

737
00:32:23,565 --> 00:32:24,725
That's nice. I do, I buy albums

738
00:32:24,725 --> 00:32:26,565
for like $28 now. LPs Well,

739
00:32:26,565 --> 00:32:28,325
Yeah, but LPs, but that's not all you listen to.

740
00:32:28,505 --> 00:32:29,925
No, that's what I'm saying, man. That's

741
00:32:29,925 --> 00:32:30,925
Crazy. Um, no,

742
00:32:30,925 --> 00:32:33,205
we pay $28 a month instead. We're happy about

743
00:32:33,205 --> 00:32:34,365
That. We make 28 cents a year.

744
00:32:34,645 --> 00:32:37,205
That's right. Um, but no, let's talk about this.

745
00:32:37,425 --> 00:32:39,205
Why is this? And as I'm listening to it now,

746
00:32:39,245 --> 00:32:41,165
I think I'm finally kind of trying to figure it out.

747
00:32:41,625 --> 00:32:45,005
But this record, like why did it become so big?

748
00:32:45,035 --> 00:32:46,605
This is a great record. We're digging it.

749
00:32:46,745 --> 00:32:49,085
It was kind of in our era, era of, you know,

750
00:32:49,085 --> 00:32:50,565
in our wheelhouse also.

751
00:32:50,865 --> 00:32:52,565
But like, why did this, whenever you get

752
00:32:52,565 --> 00:32:54,805
above really 5 million, I would say,

753
00:32:55,225 --> 00:32:56,285
but definitely 10 million.

754
00:32:56,435 --> 00:32:58,245
Like, you're into serious crossover.

755
00:32:58,265 --> 00:33:01,165
You're talking about serious international, like, you know,

756
00:33:01,435 --> 00:33:04,725
like your mass market, you're McDonald's on a certain level.

757
00:33:04,825 --> 00:33:07,085
Not to say that to take anything away from the artistry,

758
00:33:07,265 --> 00:33:08,685
but I mean, like, you've hit a nerve

759
00:33:08,685 --> 00:33:09,965
with humanity when you can.

760
00:33:10,195 --> 00:33:11,845
Like what was it about this, you think?

761
00:33:12,285 --> 00:33:13,645
I think so first of all, I think some

762
00:33:13,645 --> 00:33:15,885
of the production on, on this album really

763
00:33:16,095 --> 00:33:17,845
helps Lauryn's cause Yeah.

764
00:33:17,845 --> 00:33:19,965
For appealing to a mass audience.

765
00:33:19,965 --> 00:33:21,805
You know, we just did our thriller episode and,

766
00:33:21,945 --> 00:33:23,525
and Michael Jackson and Quincy, how'd that record

767
00:33:23,525 --> 00:33:24,525
You by The way? It did.

768
00:33:24,525 --> 00:33:25,645
Okay. Michael Jackson

769
00:33:25,645 --> 00:33:27,525
and Quincy Jones were very meticulous

770
00:33:27,585 --> 00:33:29,965
and very intentional about making an album

771
00:33:29,965 --> 00:33:31,605
that would like play on rock radio.

772
00:33:31,715 --> 00:33:33,125
Yeah. They would play on pop radio

773
00:33:33,125 --> 00:33:34,445
that would play on r and b radio.

774
00:33:34,445 --> 00:33:37,165
That would be, uh, that had Paul McCartney, you know,

775
00:33:37,165 --> 00:33:39,725
like in order to like break out of

776
00:33:40,635 --> 00:33:43,885
just quote unquote Urban Radio at the time that they felt

777
00:33:43,885 --> 00:33:44,965
that Michael was stuck in.

778
00:33:45,505 --> 00:33:47,925
And this, I don't know if it was as intentional,

779
00:33:47,945 --> 00:33:49,005
but you know, think about

780
00:33:49,005 --> 00:33:51,445
how many acoustic guitars we've already heard on this album.

781
00:33:51,625 --> 00:33:53,805
And this is very much like in the Fugees's tradition as well.

782
00:33:54,065 --> 00:33:56,205
So think about how many like nylon strings,

783
00:33:56,205 --> 00:33:57,525
not just Carlos Santana.

784
00:33:57,555 --> 00:34:00,525
Yeah. But a lot of these songs or acoustic piano

785
00:34:01,425 --> 00:34:02,765
and, uh, I

786
00:34:02,825 --> 00:34:04,645
and the chord progressions we've already talked about.

787
00:34:04,645 --> 00:34:08,205
Like, there's these like really beautiful, um,

788
00:34:09,735 --> 00:34:11,855
ethereal powerful chord progressions.

789
00:34:11,915 --> 00:34:14,415
And I know I'm saying this is a harmony dork. Yeah.

790
00:34:14,515 --> 00:34:16,015
And it may not have a lot of weight,

791
00:34:16,235 --> 00:34:18,615
but I do think that these are very, you know,

792
00:34:18,615 --> 00:34:21,855
palatable me melodies, familiar chord progressions

793
00:34:21,955 --> 00:34:25,375
and the production and instrumentation is not like,

794
00:34:25,445 --> 00:34:26,895
it's not like a Wu-Tang clan album.

795
00:34:27,025 --> 00:34:28,495
Right, right. Where you're just gonna get like

796
00:34:29,285 --> 00:34:30,975
very raw Yeah.

797
00:34:31,005 --> 00:34:33,375
Samples of repetition

798
00:34:33,595 --> 00:34:36,415
and then like very raw rhymes on top of that.

799
00:34:36,445 --> 00:34:39,775
Yeah. She is talking about some very personal things.

800
00:34:40,165 --> 00:34:42,255
Talking about singing about motherhood. Yeah.

801
00:34:42,255 --> 00:34:45,735
There's this mix of rapping and singing. Yeah.

802
00:34:46,035 --> 00:34:47,175
And she's doing it all.

803
00:34:47,175 --> 00:34:49,215
And she's amazing at both those things.

804
00:34:49,315 --> 00:34:50,415
You know what I'm saying? I know.

805
00:34:50,435 --> 00:34:52,775
But you just wouldn't think that would be an Well, I mean,

806
00:34:52,775 --> 00:34:53,815
like, there's not like some

807
00:34:53,815 --> 00:34:55,135
of these other big albums you can see

808
00:34:55,135 --> 00:34:56,975
where it's really calculate like this is, but

809
00:34:56,975 --> 00:34:58,415
Again, one, not this,

810
00:34:58,555 --> 00:35:00,575
and not to play this up too much, but part of, I mean,

811
00:35:00,575 --> 00:35:02,095
You're right, the the proof is of the sale

812
00:35:02,365 --> 00:35:03,365
That happened. She's gorgeous

813
00:35:03,365 --> 00:35:05,215
too. Like she, these videos, she looks,

814
00:35:05,235 --> 00:35:07,015
you know, in the, when she's doing the doop thing

815
00:35:07,015 --> 00:35:08,175
and she looks like the sixties.

816
00:35:08,405 --> 00:35:09,975
Yeah. I mean, she looks incredible.

817
00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:11,895
There's Yeah, there's like, she's a pop star at that point.

818
00:35:11,895 --> 00:35:15,255
Yeah. There's, there's, she's just as, as marketable

819
00:35:15,315 --> 00:35:17,975
as anybody because of all of these things together.

820
00:35:18,275 --> 00:35:20,895
She just happens to have the soul of, uh,

821
00:35:20,995 --> 00:35:22,495
of a underground musician right.

822
00:35:22,495 --> 00:35:23,815
Underneath it all. And that's what she's kind

823
00:35:23,815 --> 00:35:24,815
of singing about throughout this

824
00:35:24,815 --> 00:35:25,855
album, which is really interesting.

825
00:35:26,415 --> 00:35:28,695
I think that the, uh, the lead up

826
00:35:28,725 --> 00:35:31,575
with those ex those huge hit with the Fugeess

827
00:35:31,595 --> 00:35:35,615
before this, you know, um, the Roberta Flack and the Ready

828
00:35:35,675 --> 00:35:37,725
or Not and like those being such massive

829
00:35:37,865 --> 00:35:39,165
and wasn't one of 'em in like a movie

830
00:35:39,225 --> 00:35:41,525
or something that was big. Uh,

831
00:35:41,995 --> 00:35:44,445
Well, there's, there's the Conspiracy Theory movie,

832
00:35:44,445 --> 00:35:45,885
which we'll talk about later. Okay.

833
00:35:45,885 --> 00:35:47,525
Sorry, I jumped the gun. My bad.

834
00:35:47,665 --> 00:35:49,565
You have a conspiracy theory about this, this podcast?

835
00:35:49,645 --> 00:35:51,445
I do. Well, there was, there Was, um, no,

836
00:35:51,445 --> 00:35:54,645
but I mean, those, those were like that kind of, uh,

837
00:35:55,065 --> 00:35:58,845
to the mass market introduced her voice and that song,

838
00:35:58,845 --> 00:36:00,765
because she has such a unique voice. Right? Are you talking

839
00:36:00,765 --> 00:36:01,765
About killing me softly? Yeah.

840
00:36:01,765 --> 00:36:03,045
Oh yeah. 100%.

841
00:36:03,065 --> 00:36:04,645
And ready Or not And Ready or not. Yeah,

842
00:36:04,645 --> 00:36:05,645
100%. I'm saying like, so

843
00:36:05,645 --> 00:36:07,965
those hits were so big. Yeah. Right.

844
00:36:07,965 --> 00:36:09,605
And so by the time this record came around,

845
00:36:10,035 --> 00:36:13,445
like we were prepped, mass Market a little bit was prepped

846
00:36:13,445 --> 00:36:15,525
for her sound and her vibe,

847
00:36:15,705 --> 00:36:18,725
and then like she delivered on this record that is kind

848
00:36:18,725 --> 00:36:20,645
of unusual to be a, you know,

849
00:36:21,425 --> 00:36:24,205
multi-platinum diamond or whatever this is. I mean,

850
00:36:24,205 --> 00:36:25,605
Think about this Peter even killing

851
00:36:25,625 --> 00:36:26,805
me softly from the score.

852
00:36:26,805 --> 00:36:28,285
Right. Which is like this massive hit,

853
00:36:28,285 --> 00:36:29,365
biggest hit of 96, right?

854
00:36:29,365 --> 00:36:33,525
Yeah. That is a easy listening hit from the seventies. Yeah.

855
00:36:33,585 --> 00:36:35,645
You know, and that's what the Fugeess chose

856
00:36:35,645 --> 00:36:37,005
to release as one of their singles.

857
00:36:37,315 --> 00:36:41,165
Like that is again, very palatable. Yeah.

858
00:36:41,165 --> 00:36:42,405
And I don't know if that was intentional,

859
00:36:42,405 --> 00:36:43,685
but like, that's something on the

860
00:36:43,685 --> 00:36:44,685
Thermometer. Where would you put just

861
00:36:44,685 --> 00:36:45,125
that track?

862
00:36:45,125 --> 00:36:46,405
That's a one. That's a one that's, that's

863
00:36:46,405 --> 00:36:47,405
A one on the track. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So

864
00:36:47,405 --> 00:36:49,685
I think I, I don't,

865
00:36:49,685 --> 00:36:51,965
again, I don't know how intentional this was for Lauryn Hill

866
00:36:52,105 --> 00:36:53,445
or if it's just her personality.

867
00:36:53,905 --> 00:36:54,845
We don't know because this

868
00:36:54,845 --> 00:36:55,885
is the only thing she's ever done.

869
00:36:55,895 --> 00:36:57,325
Right. What is the

870
00:36:57,505 --> 00:36:59,685
MTV Live Unplugged where she sings all these songs?

871
00:36:59,685 --> 00:37:01,485
Yeah, yeah. But that's what I'm saying is like,

872
00:37:01,485 --> 00:37:03,605
this is like the, the most original collection

873
00:37:03,605 --> 00:37:04,645
of Body of work that she has.

874
00:37:04,865 --> 00:37:06,085
And so all we know is this. It's like,

875
00:37:06,315 --> 00:37:07,565
it's the only fossil we have.

876
00:37:08,285 --> 00:37:09,245
I mean, for people that wanna be like,

877
00:37:09,245 --> 00:37:10,205
that's the only thing she's done.

878
00:37:10,235 --> 00:37:12,485
Okay. When you come with a, when, when, when you,

879
00:37:12,485 --> 00:37:15,645
when you come with a banger like this, I mean, sure,

880
00:37:15,645 --> 00:37:16,845
we'd love to have some more, but

881
00:37:16,845 --> 00:37:17,845
Let's, let's put a pin in that. 'cause

882
00:37:17,845 --> 00:37:19,045
I'm Than that. Okay, we're gonna skip over.

883
00:37:19,275 --> 00:37:21,645
Forgive Them Father, Forgive Us Father, what are you doing?

884
00:37:21,825 --> 00:37:24,805
And we're gonna go to Every Ghetto, Every City.

885
00:37:25,265 --> 00:37:26,605
Oh, this is the banger.

886
00:37:27,835 --> 00:37:30,365
Hell yeah. I was just a little

887
00:37:30,365 --> 00:37:31,405
girl. Stevie Wonder Vibes.

888
00:37:31,715 --> 00:37:32,925
Totally. But I'm Here for it.

889
00:37:34,785 --> 00:37:36,885
For this living

890
00:37:36,905 --> 00:37:38,005
For minor to major

891
00:37:41,315 --> 00:37:43,685
Streets is killing

892
00:37:47,185 --> 00:37:50,925
far every ghet, every city.

893
00:37:52,475 --> 00:37:54,485
Some of the best drum programming on this record

894
00:37:55,075 --> 00:37:57,365
Call my days in New j

895
00:37:59,535 --> 00:38:00,965
story starts in Ville.

896
00:38:01,665 --> 00:38:06,005
Who up next to Ivy Hill when kids were stealing Carter?

897
00:38:15,215 --> 00:38:16,045
Shout up Mangos.

898
00:38:20,265 --> 00:38:20,485
Who

899
00:38:20,485 --> 00:38:21,485
Is this on base on here?

900
00:38:21,545 --> 00:38:23,005
We don't know. Right? Because he didn't put

901
00:38:23,355 --> 00:38:24,355
Killing it.

902
00:38:24,825 --> 00:38:26,485
Me even call my days off.

903
00:38:31,785 --> 00:38:32,785
Forget.

904
00:38:41,235 --> 00:38:43,605
This is Stevie Wonder fingerprints all.

905
00:38:43,715 --> 00:38:45,485
Yeah. Hold now that low C on the

906
00:38:48,665 --> 00:38:49,665
Two. Two. You like that

907
00:38:49,665 --> 00:38:51,925
Box house 20 cents in the next

908
00:38:51,925 --> 00:38:55,805
little Springfield have had the Saturday.

909
00:38:59,985 --> 00:39:02,805
Man, how great are nostalgia tracks? I love

910
00:39:02,915 --> 00:39:03,915
Nostalgia Tracks.

911
00:39:04,105 --> 00:39:06,885
But this is like, man, this flow into what,

912
00:39:08,005 --> 00:39:10,285
I guess it's already being called Neo Soul at this point.

913
00:39:10,635 --> 00:39:13,125
Yeah, of course. Is like,

914
00:39:14,955 --> 00:39:18,965
because there's more like, and that's not necessarily rap.

915
00:39:19,125 --> 00:39:21,085
I mean, 'cause she's singing, but like, spoken word

916
00:39:21,385 --> 00:39:22,845
and like that flow between that.

917
00:39:22,865 --> 00:39:26,085
But then with the nostalgia thing, program drums,

918
00:39:26,085 --> 00:39:27,885
which normally I'd be like, oh, that's man, the program,

919
00:39:28,105 --> 00:39:31,285
the drums on here are just killing like the sounds,

920
00:39:31,465 --> 00:39:33,805
the drops like the beats, obviously,

921
00:39:34,105 --> 00:39:35,805
but also like when to pull it out.

922
00:39:35,835 --> 00:39:37,725
Like, you know. Yeah. Ah, man, that's,

923
00:39:37,725 --> 00:39:38,845
that's such a big part of it.

924
00:39:38,995 --> 00:39:40,325
This is in the breaks. Yeah.

925
00:39:40,325 --> 00:39:43,845
This is in, uh, the A list song. A nostalgia list song.

926
00:39:43,845 --> 00:39:46,165
Yeah. In the grand tradition of Sir Duke. Yeah.

927
00:39:46,165 --> 00:39:47,365
Of of Stevie Wonder, sir Duke,

928
00:39:47,365 --> 00:39:49,725
where she's like listing all the stuff she likes

929
00:39:50,145 --> 00:39:51,765
and she's going riding on a mongoose.

930
00:39:51,875 --> 00:39:53,045
Yeah. You know what I mean? I used

931
00:39:53,045 --> 00:39:54,165
to love the Mongoose dmx mongoose.

932
00:39:54,205 --> 00:39:55,965
I heard myself on a mongoose at an unmentionable

933
00:39:55,965 --> 00:39:57,485
place one time in the seventies. I heard

934
00:39:57,505 --> 00:39:58,505
The Mongoose once, Huh.

935
00:39:59,145 --> 00:40:02,365
Um, but also it's a list song about things she

936
00:40:02,365 --> 00:40:03,445
loved about Stevie Wonder.

937
00:40:03,445 --> 00:40:04,685
Her, apparently she listened to a lot of Stevie Wonder.

938
00:40:05,065 --> 00:40:06,925
Marvin Gaye, what's going? She was a little kid.

939
00:40:06,925 --> 00:40:08,365
She used to listen to that on repeat on

940
00:40:08,385 --> 00:40:09,385
Her. We should do a show on

941
00:40:09,385 --> 00:40:09,685
Marvin

942
00:40:09,685 --> 00:40:10,805
Gays. What's going on? That'd be good. That's

943
00:40:10,805 --> 00:40:11,805
A good record. That's a good record. Right?

944
00:40:11,805 --> 00:40:12,685
That's Stevie Wonder. Have

945
00:40:12,685 --> 00:40:13,685
We done Stevie Wonder? Yeah.

946
00:40:13,685 --> 00:40:14,765
We love Stevie. Alright.

947
00:40:14,765 --> 00:40:15,725
Something from the seventies,

948
00:40:15,725 --> 00:40:17,165
early seventies would be nice. You

949
00:40:17,165 --> 00:40:18,165
Know what? You're joking about

950
00:40:18,165 --> 00:40:18,765
the seventies,

951
00:40:18,865 --> 00:40:20,725
but now this is how many,

952
00:40:20,865 --> 00:40:22,045
how many albums have we done this season?

953
00:40:22,275 --> 00:40:26,445
Yeah, between like the nineties 95. I know. And 2005. I know

954
00:40:26,505 --> 00:40:27,505
At least two. Well, and then

955
00:40:27,505 --> 00:40:31,565
we gotta talk about DeAngelo Voodoo

956
00:40:31,625 --> 00:40:33,445
and even Brown Sugar before this.

957
00:40:34,505 --> 00:40:35,505
Oh,

958
00:40:36,055 --> 00:40:37,055
Thank you.

959
00:40:38,675 --> 00:40:41,005
It's coming. Y'all. Our Brown Sugar episode is coming.

960
00:40:41,555 --> 00:40:44,765
Yeah. So this is like 95, 96, something like that.

961
00:40:46,105 --> 00:40:49,325
So before, but this is like Fugees's Prime time.

962
00:40:52,545 --> 00:40:55,165
I'm gonna say I'm gonna save it for the Brown Sugar,

963
00:40:55,305 --> 00:40:56,685
but I, I only play that

964
00:40:56,685 --> 00:40:58,525
because it's, this is coming up next.

965
00:40:58,525 --> 00:41:02,205
Yeah. The feature on this album of DeAngelo. Yeah.

966
00:41:10,525 --> 00:41:10,965
I think that's

967
00:41:11,355 --> 00:41:12,355
Rose Too.

968
00:41:31,385 --> 00:41:33,405
Now this guys Could fall

969
00:41:34,105 --> 00:41:36,485
Not even if Call

970
00:41:37,465 --> 00:41:39,565
The World seems So very

971
00:41:39,935 --> 00:41:43,245
Small because nothing even

972
00:41:43,275 --> 00:41:45,925
matters at all.

973
00:41:47,195 --> 00:41:48,725
Nothing even matters.

974
00:41:50,705 --> 00:41:53,885
See, nothing even matters at all.

975
00:41:54,395 --> 00:41:59,325
Nothing even matters. Nothing even matters

976
00:41:59,585 --> 00:42:04,325
At all. 10 feet tall.

977
00:42:04,865 --> 00:42:08,525
But I love this. I love this track.

978
00:42:09,785 --> 00:42:11,205
But like, the intro

979
00:42:11,345 --> 00:42:13,365
to me is like the most interesting

980
00:42:13,365 --> 00:42:14,605
musical part of this whole thing.

981
00:42:14,625 --> 00:42:16,205
The rest of it's cool. They're like vibing.

982
00:42:16,205 --> 00:42:18,605
They, I mean, of course DiAngelo

983
00:42:18,605 --> 00:42:21,965
and Lauryn Hill, like their voices are so beautiful

984
00:42:21,965 --> 00:42:23,685
and distinctive on their own and,

985
00:42:23,685 --> 00:42:25,485
and coming together, it's like stylistically

986
00:42:25,485 --> 00:42:26,525
it's like, no problem.

987
00:42:27,185 --> 00:42:28,845
But in that intro, there's just like

988
00:42:28,845 --> 00:42:30,085
so much cool stuff musically.

989
00:42:30,125 --> 00:42:32,445
I feel like they're kind of just riding after that.

990
00:42:32,665 --> 00:42:34,165
But in, in a awesome way.

991
00:42:34,195 --> 00:42:36,045
It's a beautiful ride after that for sure.

992
00:42:36,465 --> 00:42:37,605
So technically there's only two

993
00:42:37,605 --> 00:42:38,845
tracks left on this album, Peter.

994
00:42:38,945 --> 00:42:43,365
And Wow, there there are two hits left.

995
00:42:43,585 --> 00:42:45,285
Is that including the, uh, two Mustard? No.

996
00:42:45,425 --> 00:42:47,045
Oh yes. The Unmentionable

997
00:42:47,065 --> 00:42:48,065
Hit. It is, but

998
00:42:48,065 --> 00:42:49,125
first it's this hit,

999
00:42:49,125 --> 00:42:51,125
which features a very young artist.

1000
00:42:51,225 --> 00:42:55,085
And I'll see if you can guess who it's, oh, maybe, you know.

1001
00:42:55,595 --> 00:42:59,245
Yeah. I got in my notes. I didn't know at the time.

1002
00:43:00,165 --> 00:43:02,005
I didn't, I mean, knew, Knew who it,

1003
00:43:05,435 --> 00:43:08,925
What Do you call that piano, that sound?

1004
00:43:08,925 --> 00:43:12,565
That's not the, not the left hand piano.

1005
00:43:15,385 --> 00:43:16,605
It sounds like an upright Yeah.

1006
00:43:26,285 --> 00:43:28,045
A great video where like, the city was

1007
00:43:28,045 --> 00:43:29,845
on a turntable on an

1008
00:43:29,845 --> 00:43:30,845
Album. Right.

1009
00:43:30,845 --> 00:43:33,925
Woo.

1010
00:43:34,575 --> 00:43:35,575
Everything

1011
00:43:41,305 --> 00:43:42,305
Man. The Rhythm of

1012
00:43:42,305 --> 00:43:42,685
the Scratch.

1013
00:43:50,945 --> 00:43:51,165
So

1014
00:44:02,365 --> 00:44:03,365
Stevie ish Melody here too.

1015
00:44:06,945 --> 00:44:07,945
The major

1016
00:44:14,955 --> 00:44:15,955
Playing With the major.

1017
00:44:21,035 --> 00:44:23,005
It's funny to Hear me singing when Lauryn's singing.

1018
00:44:23,815 --> 00:44:25,445
Could you just do your own version of everything?

1019
00:44:25,445 --> 00:44:28,085
That'd be great. So, okay. Let's not spoil it.

1020
00:44:29,185 --> 00:44:31,005
Yep. Can you guess who was on,

1021
00:44:31,005 --> 00:44:32,285
on piano? I'll give you a hint.

1022
00:44:32,875 --> 00:44:34,685
He's quite a legend. Oh,

1023
00:44:34,685 --> 00:44:38,685
sorry. Oh, is that too on the nose?

1024
00:44:38,875 --> 00:44:42,285
Also a John a John Legend.

1025
00:44:43,865 --> 00:44:46,405
So a very young John Legend. I was looking for credit.

1026
00:44:46,465 --> 00:44:51,085
Oh, love the piano. Um, I was looking for credits

1027
00:44:51,265 --> 00:44:52,445
for John Legend around this time.

1028
00:44:52,515 --> 00:44:54,245
This was the first thing he ever did. Was it?

1029
00:44:54,395 --> 00:44:56,325
That was that he, that I could find that he's credited on.

1030
00:44:56,505 --> 00:44:59,525
He wasn't, he was not known John early. Now he's a legend.

1031
00:44:59,675 --> 00:45:00,965
He's John Legend. Was this

1032
00:45:00,965 --> 00:45:02,445
Still in his University of Pennsylvania?

1033
00:45:02,535 --> 00:45:04,125
University of Penn Grad Couldn

1034
00:45:04,125 --> 00:45:05,245
Couldn't have been that far out because

1035
00:45:05,415 --> 00:45:08,525
Shout out the, uh, nerd Dogs, the nerd, whatever they are.

1036
00:45:08,985 --> 00:45:12,045
Uh, the album officially ends with the title track.

1037
00:45:14,015 --> 00:45:15,485
How's that for some nostalgia for you?

1038
00:45:18,635 --> 00:45:19,765
That sounds like a hitching.

1039
00:45:20,275 --> 00:45:23,405
It's totally, yeah.

1040
00:45:25,525 --> 00:45:29,085
Famously that the LP

1041
00:45:30,895 --> 00:45:32,525
whole song so fast never leaves

1042
00:45:33,905 --> 00:45:35,205
Passed it Team. So far,

1043
00:45:35,235 --> 00:45:36,485
This is a title track my friend

1044
00:45:37,065 --> 00:45:41,085
And life squeeze is so tight that I can't breathe.

1045
00:45:41,745 --> 00:45:43,005
The way she goes down to the bottom

1046
00:45:43,025 --> 00:45:44,605
of her brain is so steepy ass.

1047
00:45:44,615 --> 00:45:47,965
Every time I've tried to be what

1048
00:45:55,705 --> 00:45:57,645
Man, her biggest, I don't know how I missed this.

1049
00:45:59,945 --> 00:46:01,725
Her biggest vocal influence,

1050
00:46:01,805 --> 00:46:03,685
I think is Stevie Wonder. Just vocal. A hundred

1051
00:46:03,845 --> 00:46:04,565
Percent. Yeah. You

1052
00:46:04,565 --> 00:46:05,565
Just get, sorry. Well, I

1053
00:46:05,565 --> 00:46:07,925
know that was, she was influenced, obviously, but

1054
00:46:07,995 --> 00:46:09,005
There's that one run.

1055
00:46:09,025 --> 00:46:10,285
She does a lot. So much. Yeah.

1056
00:46:10,285 --> 00:46:12,485
Especially, uh, well, I was gonna say,

1057
00:46:12,485 --> 00:46:14,445
especially on this album, only on this album,

1058
00:46:14,685 --> 00:46:16,845
Famously it's your favorite album, Lauryn Hill's.

1059
00:46:17,025 --> 00:46:18,485
Uh, it's my favorite Lauryn Hill album. Apex.

1060
00:46:19,145 --> 00:46:20,525
But it's definitely a Stevie Wonder thing.

1061
00:46:20,845 --> 00:46:22,245
I it's definitely like a, a Stevie Wonder

1062
00:46:22,245 --> 00:46:23,645
Influence man. What an influential

1063
00:46:23,645 --> 00:46:24,645
Dude. So we

1064
00:46:24,645 --> 00:46:25,485
gotta cover him, man. Next.

1065
00:46:25,485 --> 00:46:28,485
Do you remember anybody who's 25?

1066
00:46:28,765 --> 00:46:29,725
I love it when he gets that little,

1067
00:46:29,825 --> 00:46:31,125
little glean in his eye.

1068
00:46:31,125 --> 00:46:32,245
Little, little young. Adam,

1069
00:46:33,385 --> 00:46:34,385
Do you remember?

1070
00:46:34,785 --> 00:46:38,045
No. Yes. Yes. Maybe Hidden Tracks.

1071
00:46:38,825 --> 00:46:42,205
Of course. Hidden Tracks. Of course. Hidden Tracks.

1072
00:46:42,475 --> 00:46:44,285
Yeah. The lore of them. Remember the lore.

1073
00:46:44,285 --> 00:46:45,925
And it'd be like, wait, why isn't it all my copy?

1074
00:46:46,235 --> 00:46:48,525
This was kind of late on the Hidden Track game though.

1075
00:46:48,725 --> 00:46:51,365
A little bit. 'cause they, during the CD era specifically

1076
00:46:51,365 --> 00:46:52,965
Yeah, there were a lot of hidden tracks.

1077
00:46:52,965 --> 00:46:54,925
Yeah. And you would listen to the last track of a song

1078
00:46:55,425 --> 00:46:57,245
and you would let it play because

1079
00:46:57,245 --> 00:46:58,885
You don't know what's, 'cause you don't know

1080
00:46:58,885 --> 00:47:00,285
what it's about because you physically see,

1081
00:47:00,545 --> 00:47:01,405
if you could fast forward

1082
00:47:01,405 --> 00:47:02,805
sometimes you could hold down the forward.

1083
00:47:02,835 --> 00:47:04,525
Yeah. And you could fast forward. 'cause

1084
00:47:04,525 --> 00:47:06,445
It wouldn't have a separate track number. No,

1085
00:47:06,505 --> 00:47:09,085
It would just be, it would be connected to the last track.

1086
00:47:09,105 --> 00:47:10,165
And it would be almost like

1087
00:47:10,165 --> 00:47:12,085
how Marvel does those cut scenes at the end

1088
00:47:12,085 --> 00:47:13,525
of the Marvel movies where it's like, you stay,

1089
00:47:13,525 --> 00:47:14,765
you don't stay after the credits. But

1090
00:47:15,085 --> 00:47:16,085
I don't see Marvel movies.

1091
00:47:16,905 --> 00:47:19,485
You're uncultured, but you stay after the credits

1092
00:47:19,585 --> 00:47:21,365
and there's a cut scene that's sort of like a, a,

1093
00:47:21,445 --> 00:47:22,605
a teaser for the next movie.

1094
00:47:22,605 --> 00:47:23,685
That's about to happen. Right.

1095
00:47:23,895 --> 00:47:25,605
There were a lot of hidden tracks now. Yeah.

1096
00:47:25,905 --> 00:47:30,685
Uh, Lauryn made a, a cover song of

1097
00:47:31,895 --> 00:47:32,925
Can't Take My Ass Off.

1098
00:47:32,925 --> 00:47:35,245
You Made Famous by Frankie Val in the Four Seasons.

1099
00:47:37,265 --> 00:47:38,765
Oh, this Killer. This

1100
00:47:38,765 --> 00:47:40,565
Is Shut Out. Frankie Val.

1101
00:47:41,065 --> 00:47:43,045
The range starting off like that.

1102
00:47:51,445 --> 00:47:53,585
You are just too good. Be

1103
00:47:53,695 --> 00:47:54,695
True.

1104
00:47:54,945 --> 00:47:57,465
A choke Can't take my eyes off.

1105
00:47:57,845 --> 00:47:59,545
You Used

1106
00:47:59,545 --> 00:48:00,545
To put Vibes on Records.

1107
00:48:00,785 --> 00:48:04,145
I, that was a little Motown trip. I want hold.

1108
00:48:04,695 --> 00:48:06,945
This is kind of a Frankie Valley goes Motown type

1109
00:48:06,945 --> 00:48:09,265
of track, actually on the nose. Pete on the Nose.

1110
00:48:09,925 --> 00:48:11,105
We all know that song. Great song.

1111
00:48:11,885 --> 00:48:14,465
Uh, so Lauryn Hill that James Jerson live. Exactly.

1112
00:48:14,945 --> 00:48:19,185
Lau Hill does a cover version of this for the Mel Gibson

1113
00:48:20,095 --> 00:48:21,625
vehicle Conspiracy Theory.

1114
00:48:21,625 --> 00:48:23,105
Do you remember the movie Conspiracy Theory?

1115
00:48:23,405 --> 00:48:26,745
No, because I'm not a Mel Gibson guy anymore. Okay.

1116
00:48:27,065 --> 00:48:28,065
I, well, no one is,

1117
00:48:28,245 --> 00:48:29,985
but the, the movie doesn't

1118
00:48:29,985 --> 00:48:31,505
really, I do remember the movie though.

1119
00:48:31,505 --> 00:48:33,265
Yeah, of course. Yeah. Course. He was a conspiracy theorist

1120
00:48:33,265 --> 00:48:34,545
who was obsessed with the crime.

1121
00:48:34,605 --> 00:48:36,665
And I think it eventually ended up happening.

1122
00:48:36,725 --> 00:48:40,105
And he was like, you know, um, typical nineties lore.

1123
00:48:40,105 --> 00:48:41,945
Anyway, a DJ like put

1124
00:48:42,055 --> 00:48:44,425
that cover on a CD and started playing it.

1125
00:48:44,425 --> 00:48:46,185
And it From the soundtrack. From the soundtrack, yeah.

1126
00:48:46,185 --> 00:48:48,105
And it took off. Right. And it became a big hit.

1127
00:48:48,165 --> 00:48:50,585
So the Lauryn Hill version. The Lauryn Hill version.

1128
00:48:50,725 --> 00:48:53,585
But the, but the, um, the, the, uh,

1129
00:48:53,855 --> 00:48:56,945
Frankie Val version was in the movie too or something?

1130
00:48:57,105 --> 00:48:58,145
I think so. Yeah, I think so.

1131
00:48:58,525 --> 00:49:00,225
And so they had to put it on the album.

1132
00:49:00,225 --> 00:49:02,065
They put it on because it was so popular. Right.

1133
00:49:02,065 --> 00:49:04,465
And they put it on as a hidden track. And it's

1134
00:49:04,825 --> 00:49:05,585
'cause they were playing on The radio.

1135
00:49:06,265 --> 00:49:07,225
Unbelievably good. It's

1136
00:49:07,225 --> 00:49:08,225
Killing. I feel

1137
00:49:08,225 --> 00:49:10,505
like this was the biggest hit off.

1138
00:49:10,605 --> 00:49:12,025
It wasn't, but for a minute it was.

1139
00:49:12,115 --> 00:49:15,985
Conspiracy theory was, oh, check it out.

1140
00:49:16,085 --> 00:49:18,625
The movie Mel opening April

1141
00:49:19,045 --> 00:49:20,505
before he goes off the rails.

1142
00:49:21,465 --> 00:49:22,385
I could see the future.

1143
00:49:28,565 --> 00:49:31,905
And this is like kind of the most Fugeess

1144
00:49:32,545 --> 00:49:33,665
sounding track on here.

1145
00:49:35,025 --> 00:49:39,385
I mean, this isn't the category when a cover

1146
00:49:39,835 --> 00:49:42,425
might be better than we could do a whole episode.

1147
00:49:42,425 --> 00:49:44,385
Originally Frankie Valley didn't write this song,

1148
00:49:44,405 --> 00:49:46,145
but his version is before this was

1149
00:49:46,145 --> 00:49:47,225
the most famous version. When

1150
00:49:47,225 --> 00:49:48,705
It goes to the chorus, it's killing.

1151
00:49:50,095 --> 00:49:50,985
Yeah. We got vibe on this

1152
00:49:56,205 --> 00:49:59,665
little rhythm guitar buddy.

1153
00:50:00,415 --> 00:50:03,545
Real. Oh yeah.

1154
00:50:07,675 --> 00:50:09,625
Larry Golding's in here to talk about that one. But yeah,

1155
00:50:15,485 --> 00:50:16,485
That's right.

1156
00:50:17,245 --> 00:50:18,065
Of Fugees.

1157
00:50:25,685 --> 00:50:26,105
That's

1158
00:50:26,105 --> 00:50:27,165
High Ham and B three.

1159
00:50:27,195 --> 00:50:28,525
Kind of over driving. Yeah.

1160
00:50:35,905 --> 00:50:38,285
If James Jamerson hadn't been alive, what would every bass

1161
00:50:38,285 --> 00:50:39,285
Player have done?

1162
00:50:43,305 --> 00:50:43,525
Oh,

1163
00:50:50,275 --> 00:50:52,325
This is on the Apple Music Version of the album.

1164
00:50:52,625 --> 00:50:57,605
Now You're just too good to be true.

1165
00:50:58,455 --> 00:50:59,965
Can't take my eyes off of you.

1166
00:51:00,935 --> 00:51:05,645
You'd be like heaven to touch. I wanna hold you so much.

1167
00:51:09,345 --> 00:51:10,325
And I thank God

1168
00:51:15,355 --> 00:51:15,645
eyes.

1169
00:51:21,565 --> 00:51:21,685
I

1170
00:51:31,945 --> 00:51:32,945
How Great is that?

1171
00:51:33,765 --> 00:51:37,205
I mean, I think that the Hammond B three,

1172
00:51:37,205 --> 00:51:39,085
which is all over this album and this track.

1173
00:51:39,315 --> 00:51:43,445
Yeah. This is, that to me is part of the the Jamaican ness.

1174
00:51:43,595 --> 00:51:45,405
Yeah. Of this. I mean, this is like her band.

1175
00:51:45,405 --> 00:51:48,085
And when you see her live band from this time, I mean,

1176
00:51:48,085 --> 00:51:50,285
it's set up like a reggae band.

1177
00:51:50,355 --> 00:51:52,205
Yeah. Like, there's B three, there's guitars,

1178
00:51:52,205 --> 00:51:53,925
there's percussion, there's all of these things.

1179
00:51:54,455 --> 00:51:55,645
Shout out James Poyser.

1180
00:51:55,645 --> 00:51:57,565
Even if that wasn't him on there, it probably was.

1181
00:51:58,225 --> 00:52:01,245
But uh, on the Keys in general. Yeah. Shout out

1182
00:52:01,295 --> 00:52:02,295
James Poyser. Come

1183
00:52:02,295 --> 00:52:03,125
on the show sometime. Yeah,

1184
00:52:03,125 --> 00:52:03,805
we would love to talk to you.

1185
00:52:03,805 --> 00:52:05,125
We shoot, we're huge fans of everything. Is

1186
00:52:05,125 --> 00:52:06,205
This gonna become James Poyser,

1187
00:52:06,205 --> 00:52:07,885
Greg Fill Gains Appreciation Club?

1188
00:52:07,885 --> 00:52:09,445
Should we do a James Poyser?

1189
00:52:09,875 --> 00:52:10,925
Greg Fill Gaines

1190
00:52:11,375 --> 00:52:12,375
Month? The unsung,

1191
00:52:12,375 --> 00:52:14,205
well, the internet unsung. There's, we're

1192
00:52:14,205 --> 00:52:14,965
Singing singing. They're like the glue.

1193
00:52:15,095 --> 00:52:17,125
We're singing as as we can American music. We're

1194
00:52:17,125 --> 00:52:19,645
Singing as loud as we can. Um, yeah.

1195
00:52:20,085 --> 00:52:21,085
I always think Prince was great,

1196
00:52:21,085 --> 00:52:22,485
but what you know about James Poyser?

1197
00:52:22,515 --> 00:52:24,845
Come on. He's important too. Yeah.

1198
00:52:24,905 --> 00:52:27,645
Um, cool man. Well, let's do some categories. Okay.

1199
00:52:27,645 --> 00:52:28,885
There is another, there's one more.

1200
00:52:29,155 --> 00:52:31,605
There's yet another hidden track after that.

1201
00:52:31,835 --> 00:52:33,445
Tell him none of this. The hidden tracks,

1202
00:52:33,445 --> 00:52:34,805
by the way, don't matter anymore.

1203
00:52:35,005 --> 00:52:36,365
'cause you just see it on your

1204
00:52:36,365 --> 00:52:37,045
Apple music. You can't

1205
00:52:37,045 --> 00:52:38,045
Hide it. Yeah, you can't.

1206
00:52:38,045 --> 00:52:39,005
Um, okay.

1207
00:52:39,005 --> 00:52:40,085
What's your desert island track, Peter?

1208
00:52:40,465 --> 00:52:42,885
Um, I've got Every Ghetto, Every City. I love it.

1209
00:52:42,885 --> 00:52:45,645
Like, I was a little bit torn because Yeah.

1210
00:52:45,725 --> 00:52:48,325
I mean, I just love, even though there's,

1211
00:52:49,345 --> 00:52:53,285
Uh, like skinny legs pressing curl,

1212
00:52:54,395 --> 00:52:56,765
It's so, like you could say it's reductive

1213
00:52:57,025 --> 00:52:58,805
of Stevie Wonder living in the city.

1214
00:52:59,115 --> 00:53:01,325
It's like a list of his, like it's a list song,

1215
00:53:01,505 --> 00:53:02,925
but it's also like a list of stuff

1216
00:53:02,925 --> 00:53:04,725
that she loved about Stevie Wonder.

1217
00:53:04,985 --> 00:53:06,565
And you could go be like, oh, that's cheesy.

1218
00:53:06,625 --> 00:53:08,605
But to me it just sounds great. She's singing great.

1219
00:53:08,775 --> 00:53:11,325
She's singing the blues on that with that minor third major.

1220
00:53:11,345 --> 00:53:13,365
We talk about that all the time. But I think that

1221
00:53:13,725 --> 00:53:15,685
that's just like, that's, that's joy.

1222
00:53:15,685 --> 00:53:16,885
That's a joyful track on here.

1223
00:53:16,945 --> 00:53:18,325
But everything's good on, on here.

1224
00:53:18,645 --> 00:53:19,885
I mean, like,

1225
00:53:19,885 --> 00:53:21,845
there's four other tracks for sure I could have picked.

1226
00:53:22,145 --> 00:53:23,325
I'm gonna go with Lost Ones.

1227
00:53:23,335 --> 00:53:25,445
Which is the first official track on the album.

1228
00:53:25,665 --> 00:53:27,445
That's great. 'cause when it starts the first

1229
00:53:28,545 --> 00:53:29,545
Oh yeah. Two seconds.

1230
00:53:29,545 --> 00:53:32,245
You know, like, oh, this education's on.

1231
00:53:32,245 --> 00:53:33,965
That's right. We're about to have a great time. That's true.

1232
00:53:34,625 --> 00:53:35,805
Oh yeah. Come strong.

1233
00:53:36,425 --> 00:53:38,925
You know what I mean? Party has started and then that

1234
00:53:38,925 --> 00:53:42,005
Beat, that's saying something.

1235
00:53:42,905 --> 00:53:45,645
Oh, it's funny how money changed your situation.

1236
00:53:45,995 --> 00:53:49,725
That first break. It's Coming. Emancipation.

1237
00:53:50,985 --> 00:53:53,525
That's a statement Caribbean right there. Yeah.

1238
00:53:53,945 --> 00:53:56,365
Um, that's mine. What's what's your apex moment?

1239
00:53:56,795 --> 00:53:59,715
Apex moment I got, um, oh,

1240
00:53:59,715 --> 00:54:01,795
on Superstar 3 0 1.

1241
00:54:01,965 --> 00:54:04,195
3 0 1 on Superstar. Yeah.

1242
00:54:04,855 --> 00:54:07,595
The, uh, that guitar going of those dominant chords.

1243
00:54:07,595 --> 00:54:08,595
Man, I love this break

1244
00:54:10,945 --> 00:54:12,555
Made plans With Char

1245
00:54:12,825 --> 00:54:13,825
Beef. My

1246
00:54:13,825 --> 00:54:18,475
album Sell 500, be a ghetto.

1247
00:54:18,775 --> 00:54:20,235
Big dominant seven nine chord.

1248
00:54:20,915 --> 00:54:22,795
I used to work at Footlocker. Oh,

1249
00:54:23,225 --> 00:54:24,275
It's so gnarly. Right.

1250
00:54:24,705 --> 00:54:27,395
It's really, And it leads up to it.

1251
00:54:27,395 --> 00:54:29,675
And then she's singing the Counterpoint stuff on top of it.

1252
00:54:30,265 --> 00:54:32,835
Mine Is, this is actually an album full of,

1253
00:54:32,895 --> 00:54:34,235
of possible apex moments.

1254
00:54:34,675 --> 00:54:36,235
A lot. Like, there's no like huge,

1255
00:54:36,505 --> 00:54:38,115
huge like, oh it's all going to this.

1256
00:54:38,115 --> 00:54:39,275
But there's so many cool little

1257
00:54:39,435 --> 00:54:40,595
things like that I think. Yeah.

1258
00:54:40,685 --> 00:54:42,635
Could Do you mind if we just take a minute On my Apex

1259
00:54:42,635 --> 00:54:44,635
moment, I have it queued up right where it is.

1260
00:54:44,705 --> 00:54:48,875
Yeah. But it's only, it's only effective if we listen to it.

1261
00:54:48,985 --> 00:54:51,515
Okay. It is the chorus of this and it takes a minute.

1262
00:54:52,135 --> 00:54:55,835
So Simple Shake.

1263
00:55:07,225 --> 00:55:09,395
It's such a, whoever thought of that. Like weird.

1264
00:55:09,535 --> 00:55:10,595
Do we need to get a in here?

1265
00:55:12,125 --> 00:55:13,355
Could you imagine the dude doing

1266
00:55:13,355 --> 00:55:15,435
It every time they did, they sampled it

1267
00:55:22,325 --> 00:55:25,995
Again, what we talk about the two chord, right?

1268
00:55:26,105 --> 00:55:27,105
Yeah.

1269
00:55:37,935 --> 00:55:41,315
Oh, I know. Yeah.

1270
00:55:41,455 --> 00:55:44,555
The two chords are the one that two

1271
00:55:44,555 --> 00:55:45,795
minor is all over the south.

1272
00:55:45,795 --> 00:55:47,675
Yeah. Very Titan.

1273
00:55:49,815 --> 00:55:51,995
The two is the most melancholy chord there is.

1274
00:55:52,335 --> 00:55:53,995
You might think it's the six. It's the two.

1275
00:55:55,305 --> 00:55:59,395
Yeah. Yeah. That

1276
00:55:59,535 --> 00:56:00,995
you can say

1277
00:56:02,885 --> 00:56:03,885
Knows how to lay back.

1278
00:56:06,715 --> 00:56:10,395
I know what we gotta do. Yeah.

1279
00:56:12,715 --> 00:56:13,995
Greatest use of reciprocity in

1280
00:56:14,245 --> 00:56:15,595
Songs Of hot music history.

1281
00:56:15,875 --> 00:56:16,875
Possibly.

1282
00:56:18,625 --> 00:56:19,955
Yeah. She's kind of a wordsmith.

1283
00:56:31,735 --> 00:56:35,845
Peter Mark. What a great use

1284
00:56:40,955 --> 00:56:41,955
Tritone sub.

1285
00:56:41,975 --> 00:56:46,165
Hello. This is crazy. This is crazy. This is crazy.

1286
00:56:46,995 --> 00:56:50,485
This crazy Tiffany

1287
00:56:51,635 --> 00:56:53,445
letting you back.

1288
00:56:53,795 --> 00:56:55,045
There's so many great drum breaks.

1289
00:56:55,145 --> 00:56:57,125
That's one of my favorite moments in music history.

1290
00:56:57,365 --> 00:57:00,245
Honestly. When, when they go into that chorus like that,

1291
00:57:00,505 --> 00:57:04,285
no matter how we, yeah, I mean it's something that every

1292
00:57:04,835 --> 00:57:08,445
song I aspire to write, I want to have a moment like that

1293
00:57:08,445 --> 00:57:09,885
where it's just, did you call that an aha moment?

1294
00:57:10,125 --> 00:57:12,285
I would call it a a give me a ha's jams moment.

1295
00:57:12,645 --> 00:57:14,125
A chills moment. Yeah. Like it gives me chills.

1296
00:57:14,195 --> 00:57:17,565
Even now, 25 years later. Let's do it. Do you need a hug?

1297
00:57:17,905 --> 00:57:19,445
I'm good, but thank you. But it's good.

1298
00:57:19,705 --> 00:57:21,325
Uh, bespoke play this title. What do you got?

1299
00:57:21,945 --> 00:57:23,965
Um, let me hear yours first.

1300
00:57:24,125 --> 00:57:25,245
'cause I forgot to write this one in.

1301
00:57:25,345 --> 00:57:29,285
So I got one album Goats, one album Goats.

1302
00:57:29,475 --> 00:57:31,805
This means like great artists

1303
00:57:32,185 --> 00:57:33,845
and albums that they just made one.

1304
00:57:34,425 --> 00:57:38,925
Um, so yeah, I get it. Thanks for explaining.

1305
00:57:39,105 --> 00:57:40,685
Do you need more of a definition?

1306
00:57:41,185 --> 00:57:42,645
So Sex Pistols made one album.

1307
00:57:43,055 --> 00:57:45,605
Derek and the Derek and The Dominoes Right. Made one album.

1308
00:57:45,735 --> 00:57:47,845
Layla. Yeah. Jeff Buckley made one album.

1309
00:57:48,005 --> 00:57:49,365
'cause he he passed away. Yeah.

1310
00:57:49,465 --> 00:57:50,965
But, uh, and Lauryn Hill's up there.

1311
00:57:51,025 --> 00:57:52,685
Why did she only make one album? We're not counting

1312
00:57:53,125 --> 00:57:54,525
MTV Live.

1313
00:57:54,965 --> 00:57:56,645
I mean, it's a live album. One studio album.

1314
00:57:56,905 --> 00:57:58,005
One album of original music.

1315
00:57:58,375 --> 00:58:02,605
Could you imagine the interest if Lauryn Hill

1316
00:58:03,115 --> 00:58:04,485
made a new album today?

1317
00:58:04,875 --> 00:58:06,845
Yeah. What if she made an album? Yeah.

1318
00:58:06,845 --> 00:58:08,005
What if she went in the studio?

1319
00:58:08,225 --> 00:58:10,805
She made 14 tracks and did it.

1320
00:58:10,805 --> 00:58:13,365
Someone sends her to Kingston.

1321
00:58:13,505 --> 00:58:15,285
She does this thing that, yeah.

1322
00:58:15,465 --> 00:58:18,485
Can you imagine how nuts people would go? Yeah. It would be.

1323
00:58:18,665 --> 00:58:19,645
I'm not, I'm not saying why should

1324
00:58:19,645 --> 00:58:20,565
there It might, it might out there.

1325
00:58:20,785 --> 00:58:22,445
You be yourself, do your thing.

1326
00:58:22,505 --> 00:58:27,045
But man, um, I'm just thinking, okay, I'm gonna go. Really?

1327
00:58:27,705 --> 00:58:29,165
Man, y'all can laugh at me in the comments.

1328
00:58:30,315 --> 00:58:34,085
Late nineties jams with a z.

1329
00:58:35,025 --> 00:58:37,685
That's, that's the laziest. Uh, it's good though.

1330
00:58:38,075 --> 00:58:39,205
It's lazy, but it's good.

1331
00:58:39,405 --> 00:58:42,245
It's one of the worst things I've ever heard. Is it really?

1332
00:58:42,475 --> 00:58:44,365
It's one of the worst things I've ever heard.

1333
00:58:44,365 --> 00:58:46,325
Late nineties jams. Not just one of the worst

1334
00:58:46,875 --> 00:58:48,325
bespoke playlist titles I've ever heard.

1335
00:58:48,425 --> 00:58:49,885
One of the worst things I've ever. No.

1336
00:58:49,885 --> 00:58:52,245
That it's not, it's not even the worst one I've ever done.

1337
00:58:52,245 --> 00:58:53,725
It's not even the worst one you've ever done.

1338
00:58:53,825 --> 00:58:56,245
How could it be one of the worst? Okay. Quibble bits.

1339
00:58:56,245 --> 00:58:58,645
What do you got, Peter? Um, quibble bits.

1340
00:58:58,645 --> 00:59:00,205
My bespoke playlist. No,

1341
00:59:00,345 --> 00:59:04,445
my only little thing on this would be like, listening

1342
00:59:04,445 --> 00:59:08,615
to this, like the spoken words.

1343
00:59:08,765 --> 00:59:10,735
Like, like the, what do you call that?

1344
00:59:10,875 --> 00:59:14,655
The, not the spoken word, but the, um, segue stuff.

1345
00:59:14,725 --> 00:59:16,775
What would you call that? Like when she's in the classroom?

1346
00:59:16,995 --> 00:59:19,615
The interludes, the skits. The interludes. Like the skits.

1347
00:59:19,695 --> 00:59:20,855
I love the first one like that.

1348
00:59:20,855 --> 00:59:23,325
Sets it up and then goes into, uh, lost ones.

1349
00:59:23,485 --> 00:59:25,125
I mean, that's a classic right there. It's beautiful. Yeah.

1350
00:59:25,125 --> 00:59:27,045
Yeah. But like some of the other, the later ones

1351
00:59:27,045 --> 00:59:29,205
to me are a little bit like, I wanna keep hearing the music.

1352
00:59:29,405 --> 00:59:30,765
I don't need to keep like, the conversations

1353
00:59:30,765 --> 00:59:32,125
With the kids about Love is fine,

1354
00:59:32,125 --> 00:59:34,245
but I mean, like, there's so much of that in the, there's

1355
00:59:34,245 --> 00:59:35,885
so many stories within these songs

1356
00:59:36,265 --> 00:59:38,845
and like, she's such a great storyteller with her lyrics

1357
00:59:38,845 --> 00:59:39,845
and her voice and everything.

1358
00:59:39,945 --> 00:59:42,365
But this is quibble. It's not I like it. I mean it's, it's

1359
00:59:42,365 --> 00:59:43,405
Super No Peter anti children.

1360
00:59:43,665 --> 00:59:46,405
No, no, no. It's almost like a we got space on a CD

1361
00:59:46,405 --> 00:59:48,605
now to do this, you know? But it's fine. My

1362
00:59:48,605 --> 00:59:49,805
Only quibble bit is this is the only

1363
00:59:49,855 --> 00:59:51,085
album of original music that,

1364
00:59:51,305 --> 00:59:52,165
Oh, you, your, your biggest

1365
00:59:52,165 --> 00:59:53,805
fault is that you care too much. It's

1366
00:59:53,805 --> 00:59:54,445
Thermometer. What do you got?

1367
00:59:55,025 --> 00:59:56,965
I'm going one on this one. One. What?

1368
00:59:57,035 --> 00:59:58,725
This has gotta be a one, right?

1369
00:59:59,515 --> 01:00:01,805
It's, it's either a one or a 10. Man, it's

1370
01:00:01,805 --> 01:00:02,805
A two. It's a

1371
01:00:02,805 --> 01:00:04,485
But what's in between a two?

1372
01:00:04,585 --> 01:00:05,885
Why would you go two instead of one?

1373
01:00:06,185 --> 01:00:07,925
You think there's a little bit of snobbiness to it?

1374
01:00:08,205 --> 01:00:09,885
I think A Okay.

1375
01:00:10,015 --> 01:00:11,805
Maybe. I mean that's probably, that's hard to argue.

1376
01:00:11,805 --> 01:00:13,485
Argue with 20 million. This stretch.

1377
01:00:13,485 --> 01:00:14,645
This is, that's probably the worst

1378
01:00:14,645 --> 01:00:16,645
numbering I've ever seen in my life. It, it's,

1379
01:00:16,645 --> 01:00:17,645
You're right, you're right.

1380
01:00:17,795 --> 01:00:20,205
Okay. Usually at this point in the list we do,

1381
01:00:20,225 --> 01:00:21,485
is it better than kind of blue?

1382
01:00:21,485 --> 01:00:22,885
But we've got some good suggestions. What

1383
01:00:22,885 --> 01:00:23,605
Do you call it? Kind of

1384
01:00:23,605 --> 01:00:24,605
Blue. Kind of blue.

1385
01:00:24,605 --> 01:00:25,725
KOB. Yeah.

1386
01:00:25,825 --> 01:00:26,965
And some people say like, Hey,

1387
01:00:26,965 --> 01:00:28,685
when you all aren't talking about jazz albums,

1388
01:00:28,685 --> 01:00:29,885
maybe use a different reference.

1389
01:00:30,045 --> 01:00:33,205
'cause it's weird to compare Thriller to kind of blue.

1390
01:00:33,345 --> 01:00:34,565
And you know what? We kind of agree.

1391
01:00:34,865 --> 01:00:36,365
So we thought, what if we

1392
01:00:36,365 --> 01:00:37,365
Did, wait, wait. I'm gonna preempt you.

1393
01:00:37,365 --> 01:00:38,405
I see what you, I see

1394
01:00:38,405 --> 01:00:39,565
where you're going and I see what you're reading.

1395
01:00:39,785 --> 01:00:42,165
But I'm gonna, I'm gonna, can I one up you on this? Okay.

1396
01:00:42,625 --> 01:00:44,325
Why don't we make it not only

1397
01:00:44,325 --> 01:00:45,485
that it's a more comparable album,

1398
01:00:45,485 --> 01:00:49,885
but it has to be within like 10 years of that record. Okay.

1399
01:00:49,915 --> 01:00:51,845
Okay. So, So I'm gonna challenge you. Okay.

1400
01:00:51,845 --> 01:00:53,965
Because what you have here is good. I'll just tell 'em.

1401
01:00:53,965 --> 01:00:56,005
It's no secret. Yeah. You have better than Innervisions. I

1402
01:00:56,005 --> 01:00:57,485
Was gonna say, is it better than Innervisions?

1403
01:00:57,485 --> 01:00:59,605
Yeah. And I would say no Okay. To that.

1404
01:00:59,665 --> 01:01:00,885
But I think what, that's not fair

1405
01:01:00,885 --> 01:01:02,245
because we're not in the same era. I

1406
01:01:02,245 --> 01:01:03,165
Would also say no to that. Yes.

1407
01:01:03,265 --> 01:01:04,965
We ask to be same era. It doesn't have to be same,

1408
01:01:05,305 --> 01:01:06,365
you know, genre where, genre.

1409
01:01:06,365 --> 01:01:07,925
Genre. Same era. I'm gonna say better on this one.

1410
01:01:07,945 --> 01:01:09,525
I'm gonna nominate better than Voodoo.

1411
01:01:10,075 --> 01:01:11,525
Just to make it a little more challenging.

1412
01:01:11,955 --> 01:01:15,765
That is harder, isn't it? Hold up. I'm gonna say.

1413
01:01:17,035 --> 01:01:20,085
Okay. I put my, what do you have? No, I said no too. Okay.

1414
01:01:20,445 --> 01:01:21,805
Interesting. Not hard at all, but very close.

1415
01:01:22,145 --> 01:01:23,165
Oh no, I would put that,

1416
01:01:23,605 --> 01:01:25,445
I Dunno, really. Okay. Alright.

1417
01:01:25,445 --> 01:01:27,525
There you go. I mean, I love Miseducation,

1418
01:01:27,545 --> 01:01:29,045
but Voodoo is maybe too,

1419
01:01:29,045 --> 01:01:30,485
it's the timing of everything right now.

1420
01:01:30,485 --> 01:01:33,125
Yeah. The D'Angelo of everything. But, uh,

1421
01:01:33,275 --> 01:01:35,525
When you were in that red velvet whorehouse listening

1422
01:01:35,525 --> 01:01:37,605
to Voodoo, that was such a particular

1423
01:01:37,605 --> 01:01:38,645
moment for you, wasn't it?

1424
01:01:39,265 --> 01:01:40,525
Now that's the worst thing I've ever

1425
01:01:40,525 --> 01:01:42,725
heard. Monts, what do you have?

1426
01:01:42,945 --> 01:01:44,605
Um, I have an eight.

1427
01:01:45,045 --> 01:01:46,805
I I could be, I could be talked into a nine

1428
01:01:46,885 --> 01:01:49,125
'cause it's so where, I mean, I, I know exactly what

1429
01:01:49,325 --> 01:01:50,325
I got a nine. It's pretty

1430
01:01:50,325 --> 01:01:51,485
great. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty great.

1431
01:01:51,825 --> 01:01:52,845
Uh, what do you got for up next?

1432
01:01:53,625 --> 01:01:56,245
Um, I've got Lauryn Hill, MTV Live Unplugged

1433
01:01:56,275 --> 01:01:58,845
because I think that's a great album.

1434
01:01:58,915 --> 01:02:00,325
That was in heavy rotation.

1435
01:02:00,985 --> 01:02:02,805
Um, around, that was like 2000,

1436
01:02:02,805 --> 01:02:04,045
2000 thousand three maybe even.

1437
01:02:04,125 --> 01:02:06,005
'cause it was, I remember it was CDs before we moved back.

1438
01:02:06,165 --> 01:02:07,485
I remember like Kelly used my,

1439
01:02:07,485 --> 01:02:09,165
Kelly Martin used to listen to that a lot.

1440
01:02:09,305 --> 01:02:11,325
And it's a fun, it's, I mean it's,

1441
01:02:11,325 --> 01:02:13,805
I don't think there's anything on from this on that.

1442
01:02:14,155 --> 01:02:15,765
It's a bunch of original music stuff

1443
01:02:15,765 --> 01:02:16,845
she could have done a record with.

1444
01:02:16,865 --> 01:02:18,565
She did do that record. Um,

1445
01:02:18,765 --> 01:02:20,085
I know it wasn't super well received,

1446
01:02:20,085 --> 01:02:21,965
but I think it would be good to listen to. Up next.

1447
01:02:22,725 --> 01:02:27,325
I have uh, DDO. No Angel Ddo. No Angel.

1448
01:02:27,925 --> 01:02:29,925
I almost went with Macy Gray. Ooh.

1449
01:02:30,205 --> 01:02:32,285
I was thinking about albums around this time. Yeah.

1450
01:02:32,395 --> 01:02:34,205
From uh, what I like about,

1451
01:02:34,685 --> 01:02:36,925
I feel like that would've been a Macy Gray would've been a

1452
01:02:37,045 --> 01:02:39,365
slight fall off from this. I'm gonna be honest.

1453
01:02:39,385 --> 01:02:41,325
Do you know this DTO album? No. Angel? No. 1999.

1454
01:02:41,325 --> 01:02:42,645
So a year after this. Yeah. I like that.

1455
01:02:42,645 --> 01:02:43,845
Totally different genre. Yeah.

1456
01:02:44,105 --> 01:02:46,565
Dto a English singer songwriter. Is

1457
01:02:46,565 --> 01:02:47,565
It a Dito? It's

1458
01:02:47,565 --> 01:02:48,525
Ddo. Dito.

1459
01:02:48,705 --> 01:02:52,685
And um, while she made more albums than just, uh, no Angel.

1460
01:02:53,035 --> 01:02:54,245
That definitely was like the biggest

1461
01:02:54,245 --> 01:02:55,325
one here in the States for sure.

1462
01:02:55,325 --> 01:02:57,685
Yeah. The only one I can think of and is

1463
01:02:57,685 --> 01:02:58,965
International Buddy.

1464
01:02:59,145 --> 01:03:01,765
I'm just saying like, we're really basically going off of

1465
01:03:01,765 --> 01:03:03,925
what were the CDs and my girlfriend at the Time's car,

1466
01:03:04,825 --> 01:03:07,445
You know, See because Miseducation would come out

1467
01:03:07,445 --> 01:03:08,485
and Dito would go in

1468
01:03:08,625 --> 01:03:11,285
and so I feel like for me this, they go together very

1469
01:03:11,285 --> 01:03:12,285
Well. I like it. I like

1470
01:03:12,285 --> 01:03:15,485
it all. Um, what else do we got here?

1471
01:03:16,025 --> 01:03:17,845
That's about it, man. CTA.

1472
01:03:19,635 --> 01:03:21,085
What does that stand for? Grand Theft.

1473
01:03:21,615 --> 01:03:23,045
Grand Theft Auto. Grand Theft

1474
01:03:23,045 --> 01:03:24,045
Auto.

1475
01:03:24,595 --> 01:03:26,645
Wait, that says Al Adam Voodoo.

1476
01:03:27,435 --> 01:03:28,565
Yeah, I changed that. Oh, that was Aaron.

1477
01:03:28,685 --> 01:03:31,245
I changed that. Sorry. Sorry. My bad. We'll take that out.

1478
01:03:31,245 --> 01:03:35,405
We'll take that out. Good. Uh, we got anything else? Nope.

1479
01:03:35,435 --> 01:03:37,085
Alright. Till next time you'll hear it.