1 00:00:09,219 --> 00:00:11,109 Rob: Good evening, fellow travelers. 2 00:00:11,109 --> 00:00:12,009 Good afternoon. 3 00:00:12,009 --> 00:00:12,819 Good morning. 4 00:00:12,819 --> 00:00:18,399 Wherever you are, whatever time it is, you are now in the Subspace Radio world. 5 00:00:18,399 --> 00:00:22,239 We are here to talk about an episode of Star Trek that has just 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:27,429 beamed out into the universe, and, uh, we will discuss it gleefully. 7 00:00:27,429 --> 00:00:30,309 I am Rob Lloyd, and joining me as always is Kevin Yank. 8 00:00:30,419 --> 00:00:34,559 Kevin: Is this the Subspace Radio world, Rob, or is it a parody 9 00:00:34,649 --> 00:00:38,729 of a slightly bizarro universe version of the Subspace Radio 10 00:00:38,871 --> 00:00:42,291 Rob: Or is it all a hologram, holo, grammatic program? 11 00:00:42,351 --> 00:00:43,821 80 years before the 12 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:44,759 Kevin: Are you real? 13 00:00:44,759 --> 00:00:46,469 Are you the real Rob Lloyd, Rob? 14 00:00:46,558 --> 00:00:50,113 Rob: There's only one way to find out and we need to dance the tango! 15 00:00:52,809 --> 00:00:53,439 Kevin: All right. 16 00:00:53,469 --> 00:00:57,279 Well, I, I'll, I'll, that's better option than a, a grazing shoulder wound, I 17 00:00:57,661 --> 00:00:57,961 Rob: Yes. 18 00:00:57,961 --> 00:00:58,261 Or a cut. 19 00:00:58,261 --> 00:00:58,921 Or a cut, yes. 20 00:00:58,921 --> 00:01:01,021 A cut from a chandelier on the cheek. 21 00:01:01,801 --> 00:01:06,751 So yes, we are here to talk about the most recent episode of Star Trek Strange 22 00:01:06,751 --> 00:01:13,031 New Worlds, uh, season three, episode four, um, A Space Adventure Hour. 23 00:01:13,539 --> 00:01:18,579 Kevin: Yeah, I think last week I called it the mystery hour because I, I, I saw the, 24 00:01:18,609 --> 00:01:23,139 the promo photos for the show, and I was like, that looks like a murder mystery. 25 00:01:23,709 --> 00:01:24,819 And it kind of was. 26 00:01:24,939 --> 00:01:29,949 Uh, but yeah, the, I completely missed the, the whole, um, Star 27 00:01:29,949 --> 00:01:32,199 Trek sixties parody element. 28 00:01:32,199 --> 00:01:35,949 I guess they were keeping that for the, for the surprise. 29 00:01:36,194 --> 00:01:39,898 Rob: It was many things rolled together in one, and it, it clearly 30 00:01:39,898 --> 00:01:44,548 was their flagship episode or one of many flagship episodes for the season 31 00:01:44,548 --> 00:01:45,898 because they brought out the big guns. 32 00:01:45,898 --> 00:01:49,138 Jonathan Frakes was back to, uh, direct this one, so you know, you're 33 00:01:49,138 --> 00:01:51,478 in for one that they believe in. 34 00:01:51,718 --> 00:01:53,728 Um, but how did you find it? 35 00:01:53,728 --> 00:01:55,978 Did you believe in this episode, Mr. Kevin Yank. 36 00:01:57,881 --> 00:01:59,496 Kevin: I kind of want you to go first. 37 00:02:02,556 --> 00:02:04,416 Because I, yeah, I don't know. 38 00:02:04,506 --> 00:02:09,276 I, I have, I have many mixed thoughts is what I will say. 39 00:02:09,366 --> 00:02:11,196 I'm curious if it took your fancy. 40 00:02:11,593 --> 00:02:12,043 Rob: Yes. 41 00:02:12,043 --> 00:02:17,683 Look, uh, for, for me, I enjoyed it, but it definitely isn't up there with, um, 42 00:02:17,713 --> 00:02:22,753 see Those Old Scientists or some other, uh, shining lights of season one and two. 43 00:02:23,721 --> 00:02:24,621 Kevin: I'll agree. 44 00:02:24,621 --> 00:02:28,671 I think it tried a lot of comic beats and only about half of 45 00:02:28,671 --> 00:02:30,651 them at best landed with me. 46 00:02:30,651 --> 00:02:33,981 So do I appreciate what they were going for? 47 00:02:33,981 --> 00:02:34,431 Yes. 48 00:02:34,431 --> 00:02:36,681 Do I think they were fully successful? 49 00:02:37,191 --> 00:02:37,911 No. 50 00:02:38,001 --> 00:02:40,211 I came out of it going, do I hate fun? 51 00:02:40,581 --> 00:02:41,411 Do I just not…? 52 00:02:41,411 --> 00:02:42,061 I don't. 53 00:02:42,351 --> 00:02:45,411 I feel like Star Trek Strange New Worlds season three is giving, 54 00:02:45,441 --> 00:02:46,911 trying to give us a lot of fun. 55 00:02:46,911 --> 00:02:49,941 And I'm going, your fun is not up to my standards. 56 00:02:49,941 --> 00:02:50,811 I'm sorry. 57 00:02:50,848 --> 00:02:54,718 Rob: Go back to the death and murder and possibly being token over by the Gorn. 58 00:02:54,778 --> 00:02:55,408 Give us that. 59 00:02:55,558 --> 00:02:55,858 That's 60 00:02:55,881 --> 00:02:58,551 Kevin: feel like it's the third episode in a row that I'm 61 00:02:58,551 --> 00:03:00,651 saying almost, but not quite. 62 00:03:01,708 --> 00:03:04,768 Rob: Um, yeah, look, there were, I enjoyed it. 63 00:03:04,858 --> 00:03:08,578 I enjoyed it, but it wasn't something I was adoring. 64 00:03:08,578 --> 00:03:13,738 And I did find it very interesting that especially there's many 65 00:03:13,738 --> 00:03:17,128 different worlds and many different levels going on in this story. 66 00:03:17,128 --> 00:03:22,526 And the one in particular is this, in this holodeck reality, there 67 00:03:22,526 --> 00:03:27,266 is a version, there is a science fiction show that is a sendup of 68 00:03:27,326 --> 00:03:30,086 the sixties, uh, original series. 69 00:03:30,206 --> 00:03:33,626 But our yes, sort of this is the thing. 70 00:03:33,866 --> 00:03:36,356 And there's been quite, quite a lot of articles and I, I'd like the 71 00:03:36,356 --> 00:03:40,196 idea of talking about it because it is kind of true with this episode. 72 00:03:40,196 --> 00:03:40,706 You see it. 73 00:03:42,626 --> 00:03:46,886 The history of Star Trek is defined by the parodies of it as 74 00:03:46,886 --> 00:03:48,956 opposed to actually what it does. 75 00:03:49,466 --> 00:03:55,886 Um, and in many ways, Doctor Who, uh, my other big love is 76 00:03:56,306 --> 00:04:00,896 perceived by the perception of is, is known by the perception of 77 00:04:00,896 --> 00:04:02,846 its past, then the actual reality. 78 00:04:03,386 --> 00:04:03,956 Yeah. 79 00:04:03,956 --> 00:04:05,036 It's always that the wobbly. 80 00:04:05,764 --> 00:04:06,754 Kevin: or whatever it was he, 81 00:04:06,881 --> 00:04:07,241 Rob: Yeah. 82 00:04:07,241 --> 00:04:11,501 The wobbly sets is always the defining, um, uh, phrase of it. 83 00:04:11,741 --> 00:04:15,581 And so, um, the same with, uh, the 60 Star Trek. 84 00:04:15,581 --> 00:04:18,371 It's defined by how people parody it. 85 00:04:18,371 --> 00:04:22,571 Say, you know, John Belushi in the original Saturday Night Live, or, 86 00:04:22,871 --> 00:04:25,571 um, Jim Carrey in, um, in Living 87 00:04:25,579 --> 00:04:29,599 Kevin: I think I wanna push back a little bit on how Star Trek is defined, even in 88 00:04:29,599 --> 00:04:31,639 the social consciousness as that, as that. 89 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:34,729 Certainly there were a lot of parodies of the thing. 90 00:04:36,129 --> 00:04:40,354 And parody is parody, but when the, when the, the thing itself, 91 00:04:40,354 --> 00:04:45,004 when Star Trek turns around and attempts to parody itself, there is 92 00:04:45,004 --> 00:04:48,124 something very precarious that you're like, you're playing with fire. 93 00:04:48,194 --> 00:04:52,619 Rob: What I was getting at, is sort of like the, you know, it's, it's a 94 00:04:52,619 --> 00:04:57,809 very funny moment to have the actor who's playing James T. Kirk doing an 95 00:04:57,809 --> 00:05:02,789 impression of William Shatner, but he's not doing an impression of William 96 00:05:02,789 --> 00:05:06,994 Shatner, he's doing an impression of the impression of William Shatner. 97 00:05:07,162 --> 00:05:08,212 Kevin: Yes, he is! 98 00:05:08,212 --> 00:05:08,932 Exactly. 99 00:05:09,352 --> 00:05:13,307 And it for me, we, we have said again and again in our. 100 00:05:14,032 --> 00:05:21,142 Um, in our thoughts on the Lower Decks series, just how brilliantly it walked 101 00:05:21,142 --> 00:05:25,072 right up to the line of making fun of Star Trek, but never crossed it. 102 00:05:25,119 --> 00:05:25,199 Rob: Hmm. 103 00:05:26,182 --> 00:05:29,572 Kevin: And this episode feels like it did not learn that lesson. 104 00:05:29,572 --> 00:05:34,582 It did not have that deft touch and it blundered straight over that line 105 00:05:34,852 --> 00:05:40,147 and to the point where it was, it was showing us a dysfunctional cast 106 00:05:40,297 --> 00:05:46,777 on a cheap looking set that was more fifties than sixties with incompetent 107 00:05:46,777 --> 00:05:51,847 and mean-spirited creatives, like going at each other or not caring about it. 108 00:05:51,847 --> 00:05:56,557 And I, I can totally see that it is a valid perspective to 109 00:05:56,557 --> 00:05:59,737 say in the sixties, no one knew what Star Trek was gonna become. 110 00:06:00,517 --> 00:06:03,817 For most of the people working on it, it was probably just another job, 111 00:06:04,177 --> 00:06:06,067 and they were probably just people. 112 00:06:06,547 --> 00:06:12,187 And there's something valuable about like not putting them on too high a pedestal 113 00:06:12,187 --> 00:06:16,627 and, and deifying them for something that wasn't true about them at the time. 114 00:06:17,017 --> 00:06:20,257 But this goes too far, like it's an overcorrection for my 115 00:06:20,744 --> 00:06:21,194 Rob: Yeah. 116 00:06:21,284 --> 00:06:21,554 Yeah. 117 00:06:21,554 --> 00:06:28,184 I mean there were moments that I, there were moments that I really appreciated, 118 00:06:28,184 --> 00:06:33,884 like little subtle stuff like Ortegas coming in as, as her characterization 119 00:06:33,884 --> 00:06:36,254 and clearly bored with it all. 120 00:06:36,764 --> 00:06:41,384 You could, and that's a, a really talented actor to play someone who's 121 00:06:41,384 --> 00:06:43,274 not a very good actor, but bored. 122 00:06:43,574 --> 00:06:44,474 I like that. 123 00:06:44,474 --> 00:06:45,824 That was a good little moment. 124 00:06:45,884 --> 00:06:50,449 I love the, the, the bad alien design where you could see them 125 00:06:50,449 --> 00:06:52,849 holding the eyes with the rods. 126 00:06:52,849 --> 00:06:53,959 That was kind of cute. 127 00:06:54,529 --> 00:06:55,189 Um, 128 00:06:55,282 --> 00:06:55,822 Kevin: Did you? 129 00:06:55,972 --> 00:06:58,642 Did you, I don't see, those are the things I didn't love. 130 00:06:58,942 --> 00:07:03,412 E each case, at best they got a chuckle outta me and then I felt, felt bad for the 131 00:07:03,412 --> 00:07:06,382 chuckle because I felt like it was, um. 132 00:07:06,612 --> 00:07:10,122 It was at the expense of Star Trek that never looked cheap 133 00:07:10,122 --> 00:07:11,712 in those ways, at least to me. 134 00:07:11,714 --> 00:07:12,254 Rob: No, no. 135 00:07:12,254 --> 00:07:13,579 And, and that's, that's the thing. 136 00:07:13,579 --> 00:07:20,864 It's sort of like you, you how we perceive the 60 series is, or how in modern, it's 137 00:07:20,864 --> 00:07:24,524 sort of like the zeitgeist isn't what it actually was and especially going back 138 00:07:24,524 --> 00:07:30,344 and watching it, you can you see for what it was of the time and how some of the 139 00:07:30,344 --> 00:07:36,104 acting was more performy performative because of that time period where all 140 00:07:36,104 --> 00:07:37,454 performances were a bit like that. 141 00:07:37,634 --> 00:07:41,024 But overall, the, you could see there was money behind the set. 142 00:07:41,054 --> 00:07:43,454 There was money, but they were doing the best they could with 143 00:07:43,454 --> 00:07:47,414 the money they had at that time, uh, for, for a television budget. 144 00:07:47,777 --> 00:07:48,287 Kevin: Yeah. 145 00:07:48,767 --> 00:07:53,087 I will say, I don't know if my glasses are that rose colored, but even when 146 00:07:53,087 --> 00:07:57,227 I go back and watch original series episodes today, which we do a lot, uh, 147 00:07:57,257 --> 00:08:01,187 with this podcast, I get to revisit those episodes a lot and when I look 148 00:08:01,187 --> 00:08:08,027 at them, at worst, at their very worst, everyone on screen is fully committed. 149 00:08:08,129 --> 00:08:08,289 Rob: course. 150 00:08:08,694 --> 00:08:14,694 Kevin: And yeah, the, the doctor wandering onto the set looking bored or, 151 00:08:14,724 --> 00:08:21,864 you know, the, the, the alien holding up the eyeballs by obvious sticks. 152 00:08:21,864 --> 00:08:26,694 Like these kinds of things are gilding the lily, I feel like. 153 00:08:27,331 --> 00:08:30,241 Rob: Yeah, I, I was, like I said, I was okay with those things. 154 00:08:30,611 --> 00:08:35,999 But the, um, outtakes at the end, which were clear, which were clearly staged, 155 00:08:36,593 --> 00:08:37,253 Kevin: Oh, of course. 156 00:08:37,259 --> 00:08:41,054 Rob: So, it kind of, I I could, I couldn't get behind it. 157 00:08:41,054 --> 00:08:43,724 'Cause I'm going, if you're gonna do outtakes, do outtakes. 158 00:08:44,303 --> 00:08:44,813 Kevin: Do real, it 159 00:08:44,834 --> 00:08:47,504 Rob: Don't, don't make fake. 160 00:08:47,618 --> 00:08:49,118 Kevin: Don't make up funny outtakes. 161 00:08:49,118 --> 00:08:53,558 Yeah, they didn't, they, they neither seemed genuine in the making of this 162 00:08:53,558 --> 00:08:57,218 show, nor did they seem genuine in the making of that fictional show. 163 00:08:57,218 --> 00:09:01,898 They seemed like, you know, that impro game that has fallen outta favor, 164 00:09:01,928 --> 00:09:06,518 whether it's like high school play and you play a bad play knocking over 165 00:09:06,518 --> 00:09:08,258 the sets and bumping into each other. 166 00:09:08,678 --> 00:09:10,473 Um, that's what it felt like to me. 167 00:09:10,769 --> 00:09:11,279 Rob: Yes. 168 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:16,364 And, and the, the cardinal sin was, it wasn't that funny, like, 169 00:09:16,568 --> 00:09:16,898 Kevin: that funny. 170 00:09:16,898 --> 00:09:21,668 The funniest moment for me was the mix up be, is it human pies or human piles? 171 00:09:21,668 --> 00:09:27,218 And Jonathan Frakes off stage yells it's piles then Kirk goes Pies. 172 00:09:27,968 --> 00:09:29,528 Like that got me. 173 00:09:29,528 --> 00:09:30,908 And then it was just downhill from there. 174 00:09:30,929 --> 00:09:32,159 Rob: Yes, so. 175 00:09:32,789 --> 00:09:38,219 Um, obviously, uh, our thoughts on, uh, the parody of the sixties. 176 00:09:38,339 --> 00:09:44,219 Star Trek is not as successful as they would've hoped, but then we go into, um, 177 00:09:44,909 --> 00:09:51,359 uh, you know, a timeline minefield of 80 years before it's meant to be, they're 178 00:09:51,359 --> 00:09:55,949 trying to tie it in with the recreational room from the Animated Series. 179 00:09:56,723 --> 00:09:57,203 Kevin: Yep. 180 00:09:57,254 --> 00:10:00,464 Rob: Um, we have a holiday, uh deck episode. 181 00:10:00,794 --> 00:10:03,414 Um, and it was It was, I, I love 182 00:10:03,434 --> 00:10:04,274 my man Bashir 183 00:10:04,538 --> 00:10:10,088 Kevin: Yeah, I am, I am happy with a cannon bend in service of a good episode. 184 00:10:10,088 --> 00:10:15,908 And, uh, yeah, it, for me, if they were, if they needed to bring the 185 00:10:15,908 --> 00:10:19,298 holodeck in and frame it the way they did, I was happy to go there. 186 00:10:19,478 --> 00:10:24,278 Um, and um, you know, we haven't had a proper holodeck malfunction 187 00:10:24,278 --> 00:10:27,398 episode in Star Trek in quite a while, so I was kind of there for 188 00:10:27,629 --> 00:10:30,209 Rob: Because we haven't had a holodeck episode in southern whi— anyway. 189 00:10:30,629 --> 00:10:33,779 Um, so yes, and that, uh, that will be our, uh, topic. 190 00:10:33,779 --> 00:10:35,549 When we finish talking about this, we'll be 191 00:10:35,843 --> 00:10:38,093 Kevin: Indeed more holodeck episodes. 192 00:10:38,339 --> 00:10:40,379 Rob: of our, uh, of Holodeck episodes. 193 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:41,219 Um. 194 00:10:42,014 --> 00:10:46,934 Uh, it was a bit of our, uh, Our Man Bashir trick to have the actors 195 00:10:46,934 --> 00:10:50,204 we know playing new characters, and that's always a joy to see. 196 00:10:50,504 --> 00:10:55,634 Uh, it was great to see, uh, our, our, our, um, Aussie Aussie, uh, uh, 197 00:10:55,634 --> 00:10:58,034 chapel use her actual Aussie accent 198 00:10:58,523 --> 00:10:59,333 Kevin: Jess Bush. 199 00:10:59,333 --> 00:10:59,753 Yep. 200 00:10:59,933 --> 00:11:04,343 Jess Bush playing a real accent and La'an putting on a fake American accent. 201 00:11:04,343 --> 00:11:08,033 So it is like they handed the fake American accent from one actor to 202 00:11:08,033 --> 00:11:09,533 the other for the episode, which was 203 00:11:09,599 --> 00:11:10,109 Rob: Yes. 204 00:11:10,169 --> 00:11:12,539 Um, so yeah, that was fun. 205 00:11:12,539 --> 00:11:13,769 The costumes were great. 206 00:11:13,829 --> 00:11:18,419 Um, uh, Uhura did really well as the sort of like the agent type character. 207 00:11:18,419 --> 00:11:19,679 Very sassy, sixties. 208 00:11:20,009 --> 00:11:23,579 Uh, Anson Mount was all, you know, his voice change was incredible 209 00:11:23,579 --> 00:11:25,079 and his physicality was great. 210 00:11:26,378 --> 00:11:26,948 Kevin: Yeah. 211 00:11:27,038 --> 00:11:32,198 Uh, like the hair, it's like, it seems like the one consistent fact of all of 212 00:11:32,198 --> 00:11:35,288 his, um, incarnations will be spectacular 213 00:11:35,414 --> 00:11:39,164 Rob: He is the Samson of our, uh, Star Trek world. 214 00:11:39,614 --> 00:11:43,874 Um, it was a pretty nice little cute little who done it type of setup. 215 00:11:43,904 --> 00:11:45,944 Nice little tricks played along the way. 216 00:11:46,274 --> 00:11:51,854 And I, I, I, I liked the little twist at the end that, um, that the Spock companion 217 00:11:51,854 --> 00:11:55,844 was actually, uh, a hologram as well, which was kind of a cute little twist. 218 00:11:56,948 --> 00:11:58,988 Kevin: I don't know if the same thing happened on your couch, but 219 00:11:58,988 --> 00:12:02,408 when she first walked in and Spock was there, we were like, hang on. 220 00:12:04,058 --> 00:12:04,658 Hang on. 221 00:12:04,663 --> 00:12:06,068 That's not Spock is it? 222 00:12:06,068 --> 00:12:08,948 But then he leaves and you're like, oh, I guess it was Spock. 223 00:12:08,948 --> 00:12:11,828 And then you forget your theory until it comes 224 00:12:11,894 --> 00:12:12,614 Rob: That's good writing. 225 00:12:12,674 --> 00:12:14,024 That is genuinely good writing. 226 00:12:14,594 --> 00:12:20,114 Um, now, okay, so, um, uh, Scotty again was flying solo. 227 00:12:20,324 --> 00:12:24,334 If you give us the promise in episode one of Pelia and Scotty, please 228 00:12:24,334 --> 00:12:26,384 give me more pe, Pelia and Scotty. 229 00:12:26,534 --> 00:12:28,634 I like them together and I know that we're not gonna have it 230 00:12:28,634 --> 00:12:30,654 forever, but please give me more. 231 00:12:31,324 --> 00:12:33,314 Scotty was, Scotty was great this episode. 232 00:12:33,314 --> 00:12:36,139 But yes, I would like to see a bit more toing and froing. 233 00:12:36,371 --> 00:12:42,281 Kevin: It was conspicuous how alone Scotty was, in that science lab trying to keep 234 00:12:42,281 --> 00:12:49,361 the holodeck running, uh, and, and, and rescuing La'an from, from its clutches. 235 00:12:50,141 --> 00:12:55,091 Uh, and the fact that they made a plot point of that n nevertheless made it 236 00:12:55,541 --> 00:12:59,771 like it barely excused the fact that it was really strange, except for the fact 237 00:12:59,771 --> 00:13:03,191 that the number of times in the original series that it also just seemed like 238 00:13:03,221 --> 00:13:08,231 Scotty down in engineering, answering the comm and nobody else around. 239 00:13:08,231 --> 00:13:09,671 So it is nothing if not 240 00:13:10,338 --> 00:13:14,718 Rob: I did like Scotty and Uhura with their hypothetical conversation. 241 00:13:14,718 --> 00:13:14,748 I, 242 00:13:14,846 --> 00:13:17,066 Kevin: I, I really didn't like that scene. 243 00:13:17,096 --> 00:13:18,206 I liked the acting. 244 00:13:18,206 --> 00:13:20,366 I thought it was funny and charming. 245 00:13:20,396 --> 00:13:24,416 But going back to my thoughts last week, the number of times 246 00:13:24,416 --> 00:13:27,866 they break the rules for no good reason on a Starship on this show. 247 00:13:28,256 --> 00:13:32,426 Like La'an's life is threatened and it's like, oh, let's whisper 248 00:13:32,426 --> 00:13:33,836 so the captain doesn't hear us. 249 00:13:33,836 --> 00:13:35,306 This should be an all hands on deck. 250 00:13:35,366 --> 00:13:39,086 This should be the moment where the crew rallies to save La'an. 251 00:13:39,446 --> 00:13:42,026 Instead, it's like, well, no one really likes La'an, so let's just 252 00:13:42,026 --> 00:13:43,436 keep this a secret between you and 253 00:13:43,548 --> 00:13:45,358 Rob: Well, one person likes La'an. 254 00:13:46,358 --> 00:13:46,478 I. 255 00:13:46,526 --> 00:13:47,966 Kevin: One person very much likes La'an. 256 00:13:48,116 --> 00:13:49,766 I really like La'an this episode. 257 00:13:49,766 --> 00:13:51,416 I've done enough belly aching. 258 00:13:51,476 --> 00:13:54,476 I'm gonna say something that I really loved, which was the 259 00:13:54,476 --> 00:13:59,006 whole Amelia Moon thing and La'an geeking out on the holodeck. 260 00:13:59,336 --> 00:14:00,086 Um. 261 00:14:00,656 --> 00:14:04,976 I have said earlier this season that I sometimes didn't quite buy, that the turn 262 00:14:04,976 --> 00:14:07,826 of character was true to the character. 263 00:14:08,006 --> 00:14:10,166 This felt true to the character, 264 00:14:10,233 --> 00:14:10,863 Rob: was gonna, I was 265 00:14:11,006 --> 00:14:11,756 Kevin: and I, I 266 00:14:11,943 --> 00:14:14,673 Rob: I was gonna bring that up, uh, because I'm there going, I'm loving 267 00:14:14,673 --> 00:14:17,493 this and I hope Kevin does as well. 268 00:14:17,583 --> 00:14:18,153 But, um, 269 00:14:18,176 --> 00:14:18,506 Kevin: Yeah. 270 00:14:19,233 --> 00:14:22,353 Rob: Like that infiltration of the actor and the character, 271 00:14:22,563 --> 00:14:24,123 especially bringing the dancing back. 272 00:14:24,123 --> 00:14:28,023 But I love the justification of, you know, the, the, the captain of the 273 00:14:28,023 --> 00:14:32,553 ship that saved her from the Gorn to, you gave her these books and that was 274 00:14:32,553 --> 00:14:37,173 her comfort afterwards and it was a lovely connection and her enthusiasm. 275 00:14:37,241 --> 00:14:41,451 Kevin: was no need for her to put on an American accent holodeck 276 00:14:41,471 --> 00:14:46,211 program, but she did because she loves it and that, ugh, I love that. 277 00:14:46,271 --> 00:14:47,741 Those kind of details. 278 00:14:48,011 --> 00:14:52,116 Watching a character enjoy themselves and watching an actor enjoy playing 279 00:14:52,116 --> 00:14:53,316 a character enjoying themselves. 280 00:14:53,436 --> 00:14:54,756 All of that worked for me. 281 00:14:55,206 --> 00:14:59,106 Uh, and it nicely balanced the fact that, uh, the actual murder mystery 282 00:14:59,106 --> 00:15:01,476 was, was like very unsatisfying. 283 00:15:01,596 --> 00:15:05,286 I think when you set the audience up for a murder mystery, everyone's leaning in 284 00:15:05,286 --> 00:15:07,326 going, can I notice the, the evidence? 285 00:15:07,326 --> 00:15:08,616 Can I notice the clues? 286 00:15:08,796 --> 00:15:10,326 Can I pick up what's going on? 287 00:15:10,386 --> 00:15:14,046 And there was nothing really there other than a string of, of like 288 00:15:14,336 --> 00:15:18,386 character monologues followed by a death and then another character 289 00:15:18,386 --> 00:15:19,466 monologue followed by death. 290 00:15:19,466 --> 00:15:23,846 And, uh, at the end it was obviously very frustrating for La'an as well. 291 00:15:23,846 --> 00:15:26,396 They packed up the holodeck and threw it in the garbage. 292 00:15:26,608 --> 00:15:27,728 Rob: least for another 80 years. 293 00:15:28,006 --> 00:15:31,696 Kevin: She was like, I wanted a mystery, and what I got was tricked 294 00:15:31,726 --> 00:15:36,256 by the holodeck, um, pulling a fast one on me and changing the 295 00:15:36,256 --> 00:15:38,506 rules of the test, uh, as it were. 296 00:15:38,619 --> 00:15:42,399 Rob: I would've, uh, uh, uh, almost expected at the end of the episode 297 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:45,789 when they said, well, let's put it away, uh, I was expecting Pike to 298 00:15:45,789 --> 00:15:50,139 say, repeat the line he said in, uh, episode one of, of the season, I feel 299 00:15:50,139 --> 00:15:52,989 as if I'm giving this responsibility for somebody else to deal with. 300 00:15:54,287 --> 00:15:58,017 Kevin: Yeah, someone else can deal with these, uh, malfunctions someday. 301 00:15:58,279 --> 00:15:59,929 Rob: So the big thing, alright. 302 00:16:00,394 --> 00:16:02,914 Okay, Spock, the love hound. 303 00:16:03,874 --> 00:16:04,984 How do you find? 304 00:16:05,494 --> 00:16:08,974 It's the next, I know we've got a con, like this would be stretched out. 305 00:16:08,974 --> 00:16:09,874 We've said it before. 306 00:16:09,874 --> 00:16:14,554 I know everyone can play a drinking game with us about how much, we talk about how 307 00:16:14,554 --> 00:16:17,434 much we miss the 24, 25 episode seasons. 308 00:16:17,734 --> 00:16:21,034 Um, but this would be something that would grow and develop 309 00:16:21,034 --> 00:16:22,564 over three or four episodes. 310 00:16:22,564 --> 00:16:28,029 And so jumping one ep to another to go the previous episode, you were, you know. 311 00:16:28,804 --> 00:16:29,794 Howling the loss. 312 00:16:29,794 --> 00:16:30,034 Yeah. 313 00:16:30,094 --> 00:16:33,274 Uh, two episodes ago you were howling the loss of this relationship that you'd 314 00:16:33,274 --> 00:16:35,914 already kind of gotten over anyway. 315 00:16:36,124 --> 00:16:36,574 Um, 316 00:16:36,867 --> 00:16:37,857 Kevin: it in the recap. 317 00:16:38,284 --> 00:16:39,489 Rob: yeah, they 318 00:16:39,507 --> 00:16:41,217 Kevin: They referenced it explicitly. 319 00:16:41,817 --> 00:16:45,957 Uh, I when it happened, I went, ah, come on. 320 00:16:46,017 --> 00:16:46,527 Can we? 321 00:16:46,947 --> 00:16:52,527 Like, is Strange New Worlds, the Spock, uh, love story of the week show? 322 00:16:52,737 --> 00:16:53,542 I don't want it to be that. 323 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:53,799 Rob: Yeah. 324 00:16:55,137 --> 00:16:59,397 Kevin: Uh, but then rewatching that tango scene at the end, I 325 00:16:59,397 --> 00:17:01,347 have to admit it was very hot. 326 00:17:01,699 --> 00:17:02,479 Rob: Oh my God. 327 00:17:02,509 --> 00:17:07,009 Well, look, this is the thing, you know, they are both very attractive people. 328 00:17:07,309 --> 00:17:11,659 And when you have got, you know, when you've got Ethan Peck in your, 329 00:17:11,689 --> 00:17:15,229 in your corner, you've, you've, you've gotta play your king. 330 00:17:15,649 --> 00:17:19,819 And, um, he's a very gorgeous man and, 331 00:17:19,917 --> 00:17:21,777 Kevin: Christina Chong not letting down the 332 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:23,179 Rob: and especially seeing her. 333 00:17:23,397 --> 00:17:24,717 Kevin: she definitely got me in that scene. 334 00:17:25,534 --> 00:17:26,854 Rob: Especially her dancing. 335 00:17:26,854 --> 00:17:30,214 Is, is, is I, I admire it for its articles. 336 00:17:31,047 --> 00:17:34,047 Kevin: Yeah, the, the sparks at the start of the episode when they're talking 337 00:17:34,047 --> 00:17:38,517 about the holodeck and dancing, and they almost like, they, they get their faces 338 00:17:38,517 --> 00:17:44,097 close to each other and then she gets distracted and goes, Amelia Moon and. 339 00:17:44,302 --> 00:17:46,252 All of that was very charming as well. 340 00:17:46,252 --> 00:17:48,922 And if they had left it at that, I would've been very happy. 341 00:17:49,372 --> 00:17:53,062 But, uh, they went back to it and, and did the kiss at the end. 342 00:17:53,122 --> 00:17:53,662 I don't know. 343 00:17:53,662 --> 00:17:55,432 I don't know how it's gonna play out. 344 00:17:55,462 --> 00:17:59,752 If the rest of this season is Spock and La'an's love story, 345 00:17:59,752 --> 00:18:03,862 I'll be like, enough already that this is overwhelming the show. 346 00:18:04,222 --> 00:18:08,422 But if this is a rebound fling for him and an opportunity for 347 00:18:08,422 --> 00:18:11,662 her to grow as a character, I'm okay with it for an episode or 348 00:18:11,794 --> 00:18:14,554 Rob: Yeah, I can see that there, there is definitely a spark there. 349 00:18:14,674 --> 00:18:17,254 Between them, they're both very good actors as well. 350 00:18:17,404 --> 00:18:23,254 I just want to temper our, our moderate, moderate objectification of them. 351 00:18:23,524 --> 00:18:29,704 Um, but they, yes, it, it, I hope it isn't something long term, but it's definitely. 352 00:18:29,712 --> 00:18:34,252 Kevin: If, if they come back next week and it's like, uh, you know, coyly 353 00:18:34,272 --> 00:18:36,342 referenced of, whew, if that was a night. 354 00:18:36,372 --> 00:18:38,262 Right, uh, let's go back being colleagues. 355 00:18:38,352 --> 00:18:39,132 Aye, aye, sir. 356 00:18:39,162 --> 00:18:40,992 You know, that would be great for me. 357 00:18:40,992 --> 00:18:45,562 I think that would be perfect because, you know, people have workspace flings, 358 00:18:45,582 --> 00:18:48,132 especially after a traumatic relationship. 359 00:18:48,132 --> 00:18:50,382 You need to get it outta your system and have the rebound. 360 00:18:50,599 --> 00:18:50,869 Rob: Yeah. 361 00:18:50,869 --> 00:18:52,939 I'm not as, uh, as hopeful as that. 362 00:18:52,939 --> 00:18:54,919 I think this is gonna be milked a little bit more. 363 00:18:55,936 --> 00:19:00,721 But that is the episode, not as, uh, you know, didn't reach the 364 00:19:00,721 --> 00:19:02,281 heights of what I was hoping for. 365 00:19:02,281 --> 00:19:03,781 And I think Kevin was the same. 366 00:19:04,111 --> 00:19:08,071 Um, but, uh, there was some, uh, nice stuff in there. 367 00:19:08,071 --> 00:19:12,631 So let's, uh, let's delve into our second episode dealing with, uh, holodecks. 368 00:19:12,829 --> 00:19:17,659 Kevin: Yeah, we last discussed Holodecks way back in episode 18. 369 00:19:18,484 --> 00:19:24,184 Which was for, uh, Prodigy, uh, season one, episode 17, Ghost in 370 00:19:24,184 --> 00:19:26,284 the Machine, and 18 Mind Walk. 371 00:19:26,734 --> 00:19:30,664 Uh, so obviously Ghost in the Machine was the, the holodeck one that taught 372 00:19:30,964 --> 00:19:33,124 new Star Trek fans what the Holodeck was. 373 00:19:33,124 --> 00:19:36,774 And, uh, we, we talked about some of our favorites, but there are more to cover! 374 00:19:36,791 --> 00:19:37,481 Rob: Yes. 375 00:19:37,571 --> 00:19:39,341 Uh, with a cavalcade of cameos. 376 00:19:40,121 --> 00:19:40,841 What a, what? 377 00:19:41,021 --> 00:19:42,401 That just rolled off the tongue. 378 00:19:43,241 --> 00:19:44,861 A cavalcade of cameos. 379 00:19:45,439 --> 00:19:46,129 Kevin: That's right. 380 00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:49,999 That's, that's the one with, it ended with, uh, with like Spock 381 00:19:49,999 --> 00:19:52,369 and Scotty and her and Odo. 382 00:19:52,369 --> 00:19:53,149 And all of these. 383 00:19:53,149 --> 00:19:53,569 Yeah. 384 00:19:53,689 --> 00:19:54,049 Yeah. 385 00:19:54,439 --> 00:19:56,494 Uh, voice clips reused. 386 00:19:57,566 --> 00:20:02,276 Rob: Uh, speaking earlier also the, the Prodigy episode where they come across 387 00:20:02,276 --> 00:20:08,396 that culture that has taken on the Federation, um, that was a be, I think 388 00:20:08,396 --> 00:20:12,746 a better episode, a more successful episode of showing how perceptions of 389 00:20:12,746 --> 00:20:16,046 Star Trek is away from the reality. 390 00:20:16,046 --> 00:20:21,206 I think that was a very, a much more, a cleverer of representation of that. 391 00:20:21,411 --> 00:20:22,521 Kevin: Yeah, absolutely. 392 00:20:22,521 --> 00:20:26,361 And if you're gonna talk Star Trek parodies like that, that hued much closer 393 00:20:26,721 --> 00:20:30,921 to the model, the successful model of Galaxy Quest of like a, an alien race. 394 00:20:30,921 --> 00:20:32,961 Misunderstanding the transmissions. 395 00:20:33,058 --> 00:20:36,928 Rob: Exactly, but still playing it, uh, close to the heart, which is good. 396 00:20:37,768 --> 00:20:41,368 Um, okay, so, uh, let's go in our always chronological order. 397 00:20:41,368 --> 00:20:45,028 I bet you have a next generation episode to give me 398 00:20:45,177 --> 00:20:46,017 Kevin: I bet I have a couple. 399 00:20:46,154 --> 00:20:47,204 Rob: Ayy! 400 00:20:47,824 --> 00:20:48,634 Well, you go, you 401 00:20:48,762 --> 00:20:52,302 Kevin: the last time we talked about holodeck episodes, we talked about kind 402 00:20:52,302 --> 00:20:59,202 of the, um, the series of Sherlock Holmes Mysteries with, uh, with Data and, uh, 403 00:20:59,202 --> 00:21:03,582 as Holmes and Geordi as, um, Dr. Watson. 404 00:21:04,152 --> 00:21:10,842 And, uh, and we skimmed right over The Big Goodbye, which is TNG, season one, episode 405 00:21:10,842 --> 00:21:16,122 12, the first real holodeck episode in Star Trek history, if you don't count the 406 00:21:16,122 --> 00:21:19,242 animated series, recreate, uh, recreation 407 00:21:19,429 --> 00:21:20,509 Rob: Recreation deck. 408 00:21:20,509 --> 00:21:20,894 That's right. 409 00:21:22,212 --> 00:21:26,802 Kevin: Um, and when, when we last talked holodecks, I kind of said, oh, The Big 410 00:21:26,802 --> 00:21:28,152 Goodbye, it's not that interesting. 411 00:21:28,632 --> 00:21:33,957 Uh, but I went back and watched it this week, and there is definitely 412 00:21:33,957 --> 00:21:35,787 something interesting about a start. 413 00:21:35,787 --> 00:21:41,217 And certainly, certainly with A Space Adventure Hour this week, 414 00:21:41,217 --> 00:21:43,077 there are a lot of things in common. 415 00:21:43,167 --> 00:21:45,057 In The Big Goodbye. 416 00:21:45,717 --> 00:21:48,147 The crew is trying out the holodeck. 417 00:21:48,207 --> 00:21:52,677 Like Picard, the, the holodeck has been recently upgraded and 418 00:21:52,677 --> 00:21:54,147 Picard is very stressed at work. 419 00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:57,207 So Troi prescribes a visit to the holodeck. 420 00:21:57,267 --> 00:22:04,212 He, uh, fires up a program based on his favorite mystery novels, Dixon 421 00:22:04,474 --> 00:22:05,104 Rob: That's right. 422 00:22:05,232 --> 00:22:07,962 Kevin: Uh, and he puts on a fedora cap. 423 00:22:08,802 --> 00:22:15,432 He goes into the holodeck and plays the part of the private detective, and then 424 00:22:15,432 --> 00:22:21,012 something happens to the ship that causes the holodeck to glitch and it, uh, it 425 00:22:21,012 --> 00:22:22,932 loses contact with the rest of the ship. 426 00:22:22,932 --> 00:22:24,792 No one can communicate in or out. 427 00:22:24,852 --> 00:22:31,232 It will not open the exit doors when asked to, and the only way to save the ship 428 00:22:31,262 --> 00:22:33,662 is to solve the mystery in the holodeck. 429 00:22:33,662 --> 00:22:38,402 It is basically exactly the same model as A Space Adventure Hour here. 430 00:22:38,852 --> 00:22:44,852 Um, just with a bit more kinda gumshoe detective tropes and a bit 431 00:22:44,852 --> 00:22:49,382 less of that Star Trek Hollywood actors sort of stuff going 432 00:22:49,424 --> 00:22:54,009 Rob: And do, do they come back to that world in, uh, First Contact when he 433 00:22:54,317 --> 00:22:54,767 Kevin: Yeah. 434 00:22:54,767 --> 00:22:55,667 Yeah, exactly. 435 00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:55,937 Yeah. 436 00:22:56,117 --> 00:23:00,347 When he is, uh, when they're evading the Borg, they, they, uh, go into 437 00:23:00,347 --> 00:23:03,377 the holodeck, fire up Dixon Hill and disable safety protocols. 438 00:23:03,407 --> 00:23:04,037 Oh yes. 439 00:23:04,157 --> 00:23:07,727 Safety protocols also get disabled, threatening the lives of the participants 440 00:23:07,727 --> 00:23:09,872 in the program in this episode too. 441 00:23:09,872 --> 00:23:13,097 So yeah, it matches it very closely. 442 00:23:14,004 --> 00:23:17,694 Rob: This is season, this is season one, so it is a tough 443 00:23:17,724 --> 00:23:20,124 season to, uh, reflect on. 444 00:23:20,124 --> 00:23:21,504 It was not its best. 445 00:23:22,307 --> 00:23:25,457 Kevin: Yeah, it's a safe season one episode I'd say for, for, 446 00:23:25,487 --> 00:23:27,017 for better and for worse. 447 00:23:27,287 --> 00:23:31,697 It's safe in that everyone is playing recognizable versions of their characters. 448 00:23:31,697 --> 00:23:33,197 It's committed, it's charming. 449 00:23:33,197 --> 00:23:34,667 It's a worthy episode. 450 00:23:34,667 --> 00:23:36,707 I think it's not fatally flawed in any way. 451 00:23:37,067 --> 00:23:38,387 It's also safe in that it, it. 452 00:23:39,067 --> 00:23:40,267 It tells a small story. 453 00:23:40,267 --> 00:23:41,797 Doesn't take any big swings. 454 00:23:41,797 --> 00:23:46,987 And so, um, it's, it's not a unmissable chapter in Star Trek history. 455 00:23:47,467 --> 00:23:51,367 But, uh, there's some lovely sizzle between Picard and 456 00:23:51,367 --> 00:23:53,197 Crusher in this episode. 457 00:23:54,007 --> 00:23:57,757 Picard first visits the holodeck in his uniform, and all the characters 458 00:23:57,757 --> 00:23:59,887 are going, what is it, halloween? 459 00:23:59,887 --> 00:24:03,187 You know, you're dressed up for a costume party or, or you'll 460 00:24:03,187 --> 00:24:04,897 be ready for the sleepover soon. 461 00:24:04,957 --> 00:24:06,202 Uh, all of this sort of stuff. 462 00:24:06,202 --> 00:24:09,772 And after a couple of scenes, Picard goes, I'm clearly not well dressed for this. 463 00:24:09,772 --> 00:24:14,312 And he, he pauses the, uh, program and goes to the conference room on 464 00:24:14,312 --> 00:24:16,802 the bridge and geeks out in front of the entire bridge crew going. 465 00:24:16,922 --> 00:24:17,972 It's amazing! 466 00:24:17,972 --> 00:24:23,162 And he still has lipstick smeared on his face from the, the, the, the, uh, 467 00:24:23,192 --> 00:24:25,322 new client that kissed Dixon Hill. 468 00:24:25,862 --> 00:24:28,382 And he is geeking out and he goes, you all gonna come with me? 469 00:24:28,382 --> 00:24:32,822 And it is, it is, uh, perhaps a little out of character for 470 00:24:32,822 --> 00:24:34,352 Picard, but you can buy it. 471 00:24:34,352 --> 00:24:35,792 That he's a nerd and he forgets 472 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:38,949 Rob: Especially, especially in season one, because from 473 00:24:39,092 --> 00:24:39,482 Kevin: Yeah. 474 00:24:39,692 --> 00:24:40,802 Very straight laced. 475 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:44,079 Rob: Yeah, like to the point of almost unlikeable. 476 00:24:44,717 --> 00:24:45,137 Kevin: Yeah. 477 00:24:46,187 --> 00:24:51,017 Um, at the end of the episode, there's a plot point where the, like, in order 478 00:24:51,017 --> 00:24:57,437 to try to escape the life-threatening situation in this murder mystery, Picard 479 00:24:57,437 --> 00:25:02,237 tries to convince the holodeck characters that they are characters in a holodeck, 480 00:25:02,237 --> 00:25:06,527 and that he is actually the captain of a Starship, and no one buys it. 481 00:25:07,272 --> 00:25:11,832 Um, but then they finally get the doors open and the characters 482 00:25:11,832 --> 00:25:13,452 go there it is the Starship. 483 00:25:13,452 --> 00:25:13,842 It's real. 484 00:25:13,842 --> 00:25:14,922 He was telling the truth. 485 00:25:15,222 --> 00:25:18,282 We are gonna go out there and explore the whole new world. 486 00:25:18,282 --> 00:25:20,412 And the holodeck characters walk out into the hallway. 487 00:25:20,412 --> 00:25:24,552 The mob boss and his henchman walk out into the hallway and they're like, it's 488 00:25:24,552 --> 00:25:26,772 a whole new world, ripe for the taking. 489 00:25:26,772 --> 00:25:29,112 And then they slowly dissolved from the feet going. 490 00:25:29,567 --> 00:25:30,347 What's going on? 491 00:25:30,347 --> 00:25:31,747 Don't they know who I am? 492 00:25:31,747 --> 00:25:33,907 Who do they think they, blah, blah blah, and they're gone. 493 00:25:34,057 --> 00:25:38,257 And so the fact that, you know, holodeck stuff dissolves, is outside of the 494 00:25:38,257 --> 00:25:40,147 holodeck is very clearly established. 495 00:25:40,357 --> 00:25:44,017 But earlier in the episode, Picard makes it all the way to the observation lounge 496 00:25:44,017 --> 00:25:45,727 with holodeck lipstick on his face. 497 00:25:45,727 --> 00:25:48,847 So there are, there are a few little like inconsistencies there. 498 00:25:48,847 --> 00:25:54,077 I think we've, In Encounter at Farpoint, Wesley falls in a pond in the holodeck 499 00:25:54,077 --> 00:25:55,997 and he comes out soaking wet as well. 500 00:25:55,997 --> 00:26:00,377 So there's something about liquids on the holodeck are, are persistent. 501 00:26:00,974 --> 00:26:03,768 Rob: Um, you made some good logic leaps there, Kevin. 502 00:26:03,768 --> 00:26:05,718 You always bring that to our episodes. 503 00:26:06,491 --> 00:26:10,961 Kevin: They were very obviously playing up the Picard and Crusher, like will 504 00:26:10,961 --> 00:26:14,081 they, won't they, uh, love interest there. 505 00:26:14,351 --> 00:26:19,331 Uh, Picard invites Crusher and she looks at him like she's just been invited 506 00:26:19,331 --> 00:26:23,891 on a date and then he goes, oh, and we should also invite the ship's historian. 507 00:26:23,891 --> 00:26:27,311 And she rolls her eyes and goes, I can't believe I fell for it again. 508 00:26:27,791 --> 00:26:32,056 Uh, it is, it is very funny to watch her want to engage with him 509 00:26:32,056 --> 00:26:36,286 romantically and then, um, him take absolutely no notice of her. 510 00:26:36,616 --> 00:26:39,196 That was the model they were playing early in the series, 511 00:26:39,196 --> 00:26:40,666 and it, it really works for me. 512 00:26:41,126 --> 00:26:44,246 The other one I wanted to bring up was Hollow Pursuits, which is 513 00:26:44,246 --> 00:26:47,536 a season three episode and is the introduction of Reginald Barclay. 514 00:26:48,333 --> 00:26:48,553 Rob: Hey. 515 00:26:50,516 --> 00:26:53,876 Kevin: Yeah, and, and the reason this one came to mind is it's 516 00:26:53,876 --> 00:26:58,556 the first time we had holiday characters modeled in the likenesses 517 00:26:58,616 --> 00:27:01,991 of real crew members on the ship. 518 00:27:03,191 --> 00:27:07,121 Um, this was a naughty thing or an unhealthy preoccupation for 519 00:27:07,121 --> 00:27:09,011 Reginald Barclay on the show. 520 00:27:09,011 --> 00:27:12,821 Like this is, this is how his character was introduced, is he was addicted to 521 00:27:12,821 --> 00:27:17,291 the holodeck, and he was very socially anxious and he would work out those social 522 00:27:17,291 --> 00:27:21,791 anxieties by going onto the holodeck and make creating less threatening versions 523 00:27:21,911 --> 00:27:23,921 of his coworkers to interact with. 524 00:27:24,033 --> 00:27:27,393 Rob: I have, I have, I think I've seen that episode or parts of it. 525 00:27:27,393 --> 00:27:31,353 I mean, I love, uh, uh, Dwight Schultz is incredible. 526 00:27:31,353 --> 00:27:35,223 You know, he was, uh, Murdoch on The A Team, for heaven's sake, 527 00:27:35,523 --> 00:27:38,223 um, uh, my favorite character. 528 00:27:38,643 --> 00:27:40,323 Um, and he's incredible. 529 00:27:40,323 --> 00:27:42,513 And of course they brought him back for, for Voyager. 530 00:27:42,513 --> 00:27:45,213 So to go back to his inception. 531 00:27:45,273 --> 00:27:47,763 Um, uh, wonderful, wonderful. 532 00:27:47,763 --> 00:27:48,003 I do 533 00:27:48,116 --> 00:27:51,146 Kevin: Yeah, the, this one's worth a revisit for sure. 534 00:27:51,236 --> 00:27:58,256 Um, it similar to A Space Adventure Hour, the cold open is at first misleading. 535 00:27:58,286 --> 00:28:01,106 I, I don't know if you felt the same, but watching the, that that 536 00:28:01,106 --> 00:28:04,076 cold open in A Space Adventure Hour, I'm like, oh, they're on 537 00:28:04,076 --> 00:28:05,636 the holodeck, or they're playing. 538 00:28:05,996 --> 00:28:09,476 It's the, it's the characters we know playing parts, but then we 539 00:28:09,476 --> 00:28:13,256 reveal, we are revealed that they, no, they are, they are simulations of 540 00:28:13,598 --> 00:28:14,913 Rob: It was a big swing. 541 00:28:14,913 --> 00:28:17,523 Yeah, it was a big swing of going, you know. 542 00:28:18,258 --> 00:28:20,328 You're there going, what is this? 543 00:28:20,328 --> 00:28:21,918 I was there going, is this a holodeck? 544 00:28:21,918 --> 00:28:22,668 Is this whatever? 545 00:28:22,668 --> 00:28:26,418 And then you go, oh no, do you have to wait until 10 minutes in to find out. 546 00:28:26,711 --> 00:28:29,861 Kevin: Yes, and arguably completely unnecessary to the episode. 547 00:28:29,861 --> 00:28:36,341 Like we later saw the dailies from that episode very briefly, and so that could 548 00:28:36,341 --> 00:28:38,051 have all worked without that cold open. 549 00:28:38,051 --> 00:28:40,846 The cold open was pure fan service, obviously. 550 00:28:41,806 --> 00:28:46,216 Um, but yeah, it did give you, there were several moments of going, what is this? 551 00:28:46,216 --> 00:28:46,876 Who are these? 552 00:28:46,876 --> 00:28:47,866 What's the situation? 553 00:28:47,866 --> 00:28:51,616 And uh, Hollow Pursuits is very similar. 554 00:28:51,706 --> 00:28:59,296 The cold open is set in Ten Forward, and, uh, Barclay is being told off 555 00:28:59,296 --> 00:29:04,456 initially by LaForge and then by Riker for not showing up on time or not doing 556 00:29:04,456 --> 00:29:07,456 a good job, and then being insubordinate. 557 00:29:07,546 --> 00:29:14,476 And, um, he ends up like decking Riker in Ten Forward and sending him sprawling 558 00:29:14,476 --> 00:29:21,831 across the table, all for the adoring gaze of Deanna Troi, who's sitting in a 559 00:29:21,831 --> 00:29:24,261 very low cut dress at one of the tables. 560 00:29:24,591 --> 00:29:29,211 And it becomes clear at the end of the, the scene that this was all a 561 00:29:29,211 --> 00:29:34,941 holodeck recreation, but it starts very every day, this could be a real thing. 562 00:29:34,941 --> 00:29:38,091 So the, the moment where the audience clues in that this isn't 563 00:29:38,151 --> 00:29:43,011 a real day in the life on the ship, uh, is an enjoyable, uh, moment. 564 00:29:43,461 --> 00:29:45,351 So, yeah, that, that's very similar. 565 00:29:45,501 --> 00:29:46,071 Um. 566 00:29:46,756 --> 00:29:52,726 This whole episode is about that, uh, that social anxiety and, um. 567 00:29:53,311 --> 00:29:57,751 Picard, well, LaForge tries to get Barkley transferred because he's always showing 568 00:29:57,751 --> 00:30:03,631 up late and he's kind of stammery and uh, and awkward at his job, and nobody likes 569 00:30:03,631 --> 00:30:05,401 working with him, and he's unreliable. 570 00:30:05,401 --> 00:30:08,671 And Picard says, well, how he's been transferred from ship to 571 00:30:08,671 --> 00:30:10,676 ship, this problem stops here. 572 00:30:10,736 --> 00:30:12,686 He's your project now, LaForge. 573 00:30:12,716 --> 00:30:16,706 And so LaForge has to make friends with the, with the, 574 00:30:16,706 --> 00:30:19,706 uh, uh, the misfit on the ship. 575 00:30:19,736 --> 00:30:24,776 And, uh, in the end, Barclay saves the ship, I, I, I'll say, and uh, 576 00:30:24,806 --> 00:30:26,401 earns his place among the ranks. 577 00:30:27,556 --> 00:30:32,806 At the very end of the episode, Barclay walks out on the bridge of the Enterprise 578 00:30:32,806 --> 00:30:37,096 in front of the whole bridge crew and says, it's been a very tough decision, 579 00:30:37,276 --> 00:30:39,406 but I've decided it's time to leave. 580 00:30:39,406 --> 00:30:42,286 And they all say, you'll always have a place here. 581 00:30:42,316 --> 00:30:45,166 And he goes, I know, that's why it makes it so hard to leave. 582 00:30:45,166 --> 00:30:47,116 And then he says, computer end program. 583 00:30:47,176 --> 00:30:52,576 And so it's bookended by scenes where you, at first, think it's real and 584 00:30:52,576 --> 00:30:54,076 then it's revealed that it's not. 585 00:30:54,076 --> 00:30:57,526 So yeah, it's, it's a masterfully written season. 586 00:30:57,526 --> 00:30:59,956 This kind of stuff is why I love TNG season 587 00:31:00,098 --> 00:31:05,198 Rob: Um, now, uh, Barclay of course, appeared, uh, throughout 588 00:31:05,198 --> 00:31:07,298 the rest of, uh, Next Gen. 589 00:31:07,366 --> 00:31:07,636 Kevin: Yeah. 590 00:31:07,636 --> 00:31:10,306 Recurring guest character, and then came back in Voyager, of 591 00:31:10,388 --> 00:31:16,808 Rob: in Voyager, if I can remember, he was holodecking as well to connect with. 592 00:31:17,078 --> 00:31:17,708 He was going, 593 00:31:17,716 --> 00:31:18,826 Kevin: At times, yeah. 594 00:31:18,826 --> 00:31:23,056 He was kind of working in the lab that was running the project to bring them 595 00:31:23,288 --> 00:31:23,678 Rob: Yes. 596 00:31:23,683 --> 00:31:27,368 And, and they could connect somehow via a holodeck. 597 00:31:27,368 --> 00:31:27,788 So yes. 598 00:31:27,788 --> 00:31:29,558 Connected that way I seem to remember. 599 00:31:29,768 --> 00:31:30,128 Yeah. 600 00:31:30,278 --> 00:31:32,048 With the Doctor and, and the others. 601 00:31:32,588 --> 00:31:38,468 Um, well, I, look, we've, we've just had the best, and I'm here to bring the rest. 602 00:31:40,613 --> 00:31:46,283 I am gonna, I'm gonna go to, after I watched them again and uh, two 603 00:31:46,283 --> 00:31:50,003 episodes in particular, I'm going, yeah, these really aren't that good. 604 00:31:50,063 --> 00:31:53,483 And I look back at the general consensus and go, oh no, these are hated. 605 00:31:53,783 --> 00:31:54,173 So 606 00:31:54,301 --> 00:31:54,661 Kevin: Yeah. 607 00:31:54,691 --> 00:31:55,351 Oh, well, that's all right. 608 00:31:55,351 --> 00:31:57,481 I've brought some clunkers this season as well. 609 00:31:57,503 --> 00:32:01,283 Rob: So I am, uh, here to talk about, we have mentioned before, but I don't 610 00:32:01,283 --> 00:32:02,873 think we've gone into full detail. 611 00:32:03,053 --> 00:32:05,393 We're gonna look at Fair Haven. 612 00:32:07,013 --> 00:32:10,703 We are going to Star Trek, Voyager, season six with Fairhaven 613 00:32:10,823 --> 00:32:12,863 and their follow-up episode. 614 00:32:12,863 --> 00:32:13,193 Yes. 615 00:32:13,193 --> 00:32:19,073 They went back there for, uh, they went back for, uh, Spirit Folk. 616 00:32:19,133 --> 00:32:25,403 So yeah, that is, uh, they, they are certainly two episodes, Kevin. 617 00:32:25,641 --> 00:32:29,151 Kevin: Yeah, you have, you have mentioned this one before in somewhat 618 00:32:29,151 --> 00:32:38,016 admiring terms, I think just because of the fact that, it allows our female 619 00:32:38,016 --> 00:32:42,426 captain to indulge that, that, uh. 620 00:32:43,056 --> 00:32:47,226 You know, you can't be with any of your crew members as in a romantic way 621 00:32:47,796 --> 00:32:50,976 because you're the captain of the ship and the ship is stranded in the Delta 622 00:32:50,976 --> 00:32:52,686 quadrant, but you have to be above it all. 623 00:32:52,686 --> 00:32:58,206 And so what do you do with your perfectly natural urges as a leader of people? 624 00:32:58,686 --> 00:33:03,366 You go on the holodeck and you create yourself a perfect, uh, country 625 00:33:03,731 --> 00:33:08,021 husband and, and I think there is something to be said for that. 626 00:33:08,346 --> 00:33:11,321 And I don't know if it's just because of the conversations you and I have 627 00:33:11,321 --> 00:33:16,721 had about that, that aspect to this stuff that I have ended up thinking of 628 00:33:16,721 --> 00:33:18,341 these episodes as better than they are. 629 00:33:18,341 --> 00:33:23,411 But I think, I also remember a lot of Paris and Harry Kim 630 00:33:23,411 --> 00:33:27,791 bumbling around with carts and, and milk cows and things like that. 631 00:33:27,791 --> 00:33:32,671 And there's a lot of, there's a lot of filler in these episodes is my 632 00:33:32,953 --> 00:33:36,403 Rob: They are very much the generic, they're on the holodeck 633 00:33:36,433 --> 00:33:37,873 and something goes wrong. 634 00:33:37,903 --> 00:33:42,343 The first one, especially the something's going wrong, but also there's a 635 00:33:42,343 --> 00:33:47,533 nebula or something outside, so, and it connects but kind of doesn't. 636 00:33:47,923 --> 00:33:52,693 The second episode, uh, the Spirit Folk is definitely the weaker of the two, and 637 00:33:52,693 --> 00:33:58,063 that's very much the, that is, it's a, it's, it's a trope played out many, many 638 00:33:58,063 --> 00:34:04,303 times previously and better in other episodes where the holograms become 639 00:34:04,303 --> 00:34:09,163 aware that, you know, the visitors are different and like Neelix looks different. 640 00:34:09,553 --> 00:34:10,003 Yeah. 641 00:34:10,093 --> 00:34:11,473 And they are the Spirit Folk. 642 00:34:11,533 --> 00:34:13,718 They're very, the Irish accents are 643 00:34:14,646 --> 00:34:14,886 Kevin: Oof, 644 00:34:14,983 --> 00:34:16,993 Rob: there, are there somewhere. 645 00:34:17,983 --> 00:34:22,731 Um, but in that first episode, Mulgrew is dynamite. 646 00:34:23,031 --> 00:34:24,531 She's great. 647 00:34:24,771 --> 00:34:25,941 She is really good. 648 00:34:25,941 --> 00:34:29,301 She is suave and sultry and playful. 649 00:34:29,429 --> 00:34:30,629 Kevin: Is this the delete the 650 00:34:30,921 --> 00:34:31,761 Rob: Oh my gosh. 651 00:34:31,791 --> 00:34:32,031 Yeah. 652 00:34:32,031 --> 00:34:36,201 And that, that holds, that I hold, held that so high when I went 653 00:34:36,201 --> 00:34:39,521 back to rewatch them both going, yeah, that's pretty much only it. 654 00:34:39,891 --> 00:34:42,891 Um, and there's a, there's a thing that I keep on seeing. 655 00:34:43,611 --> 00:34:47,511 She is bagging the hell outta holograms and the doctor is 656 00:34:47,511 --> 00:34:51,381 standing right there and he never, she's again, but he is a hologram. 657 00:34:51,501 --> 00:34:53,511 He's just, he's just, he's nothing at all. 658 00:34:53,511 --> 00:34:56,781 And the doctor's going well, you know, and, but she doesn't even 659 00:34:56,864 --> 00:34:58,394 Kevin: I don't mean you, we don't mean you. 660 00:34:58,394 --> 00:34:58,574 Of 661 00:34:58,731 --> 00:34:59,451 Rob: I wish she'd 662 00:34:59,594 --> 00:35:01,484 Kevin: you're, you're one of the good ones, Doctor. 663 00:35:01,611 --> 00:35:05,241 Rob: I wish at least some point after berating, holograms, she'd 664 00:35:05,241 --> 00:35:09,561 just turn and do an obligatory, no offense, she doesn't even do that. 665 00:35:10,454 --> 00:35:13,694 Kevin: One of my favorite tropes about holodeck episodes is when the 666 00:35:13,694 --> 00:35:19,664 characters gracefully overlook something that they cannot make sense of. 667 00:35:19,934 --> 00:35:23,084 When the characters turn to each other and talk about ship's business or their 668 00:35:23,084 --> 00:35:26,174 mention their ranks or things like that, and the holodeck characters just 669 00:35:26,174 --> 00:35:28,394 go Uhhuh, I'm just gonna ignore that. 670 00:35:28,544 --> 00:35:29,324 I really love 671 00:35:29,451 --> 00:35:30,021 Rob: Yes. 672 00:35:30,051 --> 00:35:30,381 Yeah. 673 00:35:30,381 --> 00:35:33,681 And there's quite a few, like the characters they set up, like the wonderful 674 00:35:33,681 --> 00:35:39,381 actor who I've seen in many, many things, um, like Fugitive and other type shows. 675 00:35:39,381 --> 00:35:41,901 And I think he was in The Inner Light as well. 676 00:35:42,081 --> 00:35:46,581 He plays, he plays the local drunk who never has enough money and always there 677 00:35:46,581 --> 00:35:50,231 going, if you have a spare a farthing, I might be able to get myself a drink, 678 00:35:50,231 --> 00:35:51,621 oh I might need a couple of more. 679 00:35:52,011 --> 00:35:57,736 Um, and the actor who plays, uh, Michael Sullivan, like the love interest, is him 680 00:35:57,736 --> 00:35:59,956 and Kate Mulgrew have wonderful chemistry. 681 00:36:00,316 --> 00:36:01,096 Wonderful. 682 00:36:01,139 --> 00:36:03,839 Kevin: He, he was cast for his gravitas, I feel like. 683 00:36:03,899 --> 00:36:04,529 And yeah. 684 00:36:04,529 --> 00:36:05,099 Sold. 685 00:36:05,099 --> 00:36:06,389 Sold the otherwise thin 686 00:36:06,816 --> 00:36:07,356 Rob: Yes. 687 00:36:07,416 --> 00:36:10,086 Uh, but the second one is quite dull. 688 00:36:10,326 --> 00:36:12,426 Um, quite, quite bad. 689 00:36:12,426 --> 00:36:13,866 It's just so generic. 690 00:36:14,166 --> 00:36:18,396 It's just like you just there going, we have done this so many times and so 691 00:36:18,396 --> 00:36:21,366 better, and it's really dull and boring. 692 00:36:21,366 --> 00:36:26,046 And all those elements that are in, you know, Adventure Space, Time, uh, Hour, um, 693 00:36:26,226 --> 00:36:27,846 is it played out like we're there going. 694 00:36:27,846 --> 00:36:29,436 We've hit this in every single. 695 00:36:30,426 --> 00:36:33,936 The only thing they didn't do is people from the crew looking like, you know, 696 00:36:34,326 --> 00:36:35,916 well holograms looking like the crew. 697 00:36:36,216 --> 00:36:37,416 Um, so yeah. 698 00:36:37,476 --> 00:36:41,406 But the part I was interested in seeing that captain, female captain, 699 00:36:41,406 --> 00:36:43,506 how does she cope in this situation? 700 00:36:43,746 --> 00:36:46,656 Like there's a moment where Chakotay comes in and there's a little 701 00:36:46,656 --> 00:36:49,806 bit of awkward, is it jealousy? 702 00:36:49,806 --> 00:36:50,976 Is she embarrassed? 703 00:36:50,976 --> 00:36:51,786 Is she nerv? 704 00:36:51,816 --> 00:36:52,086 Yeah. 705 00:36:52,896 --> 00:37:00,576 Um, uh, but yes, she is very good in it and her, her journey of 706 00:37:00,726 --> 00:37:05,106 accepting the fact that, you know, she's allowed to be a human being. 707 00:37:05,466 --> 00:37:12,006 Um, but yeah, just all the shade and all the negativity, deports, poor holograms. 708 00:37:12,516 --> 00:37:16,746 Um, but yeah, the more and more I see those Voyager episodes like Paris 709 00:37:16,806 --> 00:37:24,636 and Kim, uh, are just, are just big old nerds and they just, we give them 710 00:37:24,636 --> 00:37:30,906 so much time and energy on that show and like Paris is just such a dork. 711 00:37:31,259 --> 00:37:34,619 Kevin: Oh yeah, putting the black and white TV in, in his 712 00:37:34,619 --> 00:37:36,719 quarters to watch by the bed. 713 00:37:36,899 --> 00:37:38,999 Uh, like those kinds of things, it's like, well. 714 00:37:40,454 --> 00:37:45,584 I mean, I guess you're a space explorer, I guess you, you work with computers a lot. 715 00:37:45,674 --> 00:37:48,134 Your wife is an eng, is a chief engineer. 716 00:37:48,524 --> 00:37:52,904 I suppose if the nerds of the future are gonna be anywhere, they're gonna be here 717 00:37:53,324 --> 00:37:55,634 and, and so it's true to the character. 718 00:37:55,634 --> 00:38:01,364 But yeah, it, it has a weird feeling of the, the time span between black and 719 00:38:01,364 --> 00:38:07,274 white television and Tom Paris on Voyager, the hundreds of years between them. 720 00:38:07,274 --> 00:38:09,824 If you project that into our reality, it's. 721 00:38:10,964 --> 00:38:14,624 It's like, uh, I don't know, what's the equivalent? 722 00:38:14,954 --> 00:38:18,884 Having a 14th century entertainment medium as your fixation in 723 00:38:18,951 --> 00:38:19,311 Rob: Yeah. 724 00:38:19,311 --> 00:38:23,331 Or possibly like us being ob obsessed with sort of like the long boat, 725 00:38:23,451 --> 00:38:27,811 um, era or sort of like, you know, the high seas, like your Hornblower, 726 00:38:27,811 --> 00:38:31,791 Hornblower, or master and commander type thing where you're obsessed with. 727 00:38:31,799 --> 00:38:32,089 Kevin: Yeah. 728 00:38:32,279 --> 00:38:33,804 It's a bit ren fair. 729 00:38:35,009 --> 00:38:38,099 Yeah, if you brought the Renaissance Fair into your bedroom, 730 00:38:38,099 --> 00:38:39,629 that's how nerdy we're talking 731 00:38:39,936 --> 00:38:43,356 Rob: like, I know you're Canadian and I've always wanted to know what's the 732 00:38:43,356 --> 00:38:45,906 deal with Americans and ren fairs? 733 00:38:46,529 --> 00:38:46,739 Kevin: Yeah. 734 00:38:46,739 --> 00:38:47,489 I don't know either. 735 00:38:47,489 --> 00:38:50,039 I only feel like I became aware of it in the past 736 00:38:50,136 --> 00:38:50,826 Rob: It's. 737 00:38:51,029 --> 00:38:51,599 Kevin: I left North 738 00:38:51,831 --> 00:38:54,441 Rob: Yeah, like even the episode of The Simpsons, where it deals with. 739 00:38:54,441 --> 00:38:55,671 Anyway, I digress. 740 00:38:55,701 --> 00:38:56,211 It's weird. 741 00:38:56,571 --> 00:39:02,151 Um, but yes, they're both very, they're quite dull episodes and um, the first one 742 00:39:02,151 --> 00:39:06,846 has some enticing stuff in it just because Kate Mulgrew is just, god, she's good. 743 00:39:07,236 --> 00:39:08,316 Gosh, she's amazing. 744 00:39:08,316 --> 00:39:09,546 She's head and shoulders. 745 00:39:09,726 --> 00:39:14,106 Her and Picardo are just head and shoulders above most actors on that show. 746 00:39:14,616 --> 00:39:17,286 Uh, and um, it's unfair, really. 747 00:39:17,346 --> 00:39:19,686 And then you've got Jeri Ryan coming in and she goes, well, 748 00:39:19,686 --> 00:39:21,636 actually I'm pretty dang good too. 749 00:39:22,176 --> 00:39:26,106 Um, but yes, her relationship with Michael Sullivan is played out really nicely. 750 00:39:26,316 --> 00:39:29,891 And yes, the famous line, I thought it was lose the wife, but then yeah. 751 00:39:30,194 --> 00:39:31,244 Kevin: Oh, it might be lose wife, 752 00:39:31,311 --> 00:39:32,271 Rob: It is Delete the wife. 753 00:39:32,271 --> 00:39:34,011 It was up there going, yeah. 754 00:39:34,011 --> 00:39:36,711 When she said, delete the wife, just the look in her face, 755 00:39:36,711 --> 00:39:38,961 you're going, yeah, you did that. 756 00:39:39,104 --> 00:39:39,524 Kevin: Yeah. 757 00:39:39,561 --> 00:39:40,011 Rob: what you want. 758 00:39:40,094 --> 00:39:41,594 Kevin: You get what you want. 759 00:39:42,801 --> 00:39:45,621 Rob: So yes, we've gone from the highs with Barclay to 760 00:39:45,621 --> 00:39:47,721 the lows of the Spirit Folk. 761 00:39:48,629 --> 00:39:53,369 Kevin: Ah, well, lots, there's, there's even more holodeck out there, so we 762 00:39:53,369 --> 00:39:55,709 might do a holodeck part three someday. 763 00:39:55,739 --> 00:39:56,489 Who knows? 764 00:39:56,631 --> 00:40:00,471 Rob: We've, we've touched some pretty good ones, but there's still, like, I 765 00:40:00,471 --> 00:40:06,351 even looked up holodeck episodes and there look, there are quite, there's a long list 766 00:40:06,351 --> 00:40:08,781 and we've bare barely scraped the surface. 767 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,079 Kevin: Yeah. 768 00:40:10,139 --> 00:40:10,889 Uh, wow. 769 00:40:10,894 --> 00:40:15,599 I I have no doubt there will at least be some hollow simulations in Starfleet 770 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:22,184 Academy that might lead us there, though my understanding is the, the the Academy 771 00:40:22,184 --> 00:40:26,654 itself is a ship that lifts off and goes on missions so that you can, like, 772 00:40:26,954 --> 00:40:31,784 like doctors in a training hospital, you actually get put in front of real 773 00:40:31,784 --> 00:40:38,054 cases, these cadets actually go on real diplomatic missions and they are kind of 774 00:40:38,204 --> 00:40:42,434 accompanied by one of the real ships, but they're the training ship that goes along 775 00:40:42,434 --> 00:40:46,724 and then the saucer comes back to San Francisco and docks on top of the tower. 776 00:40:47,144 --> 00:40:48,674 Uh, so it'll be interesting. 777 00:40:48,771 --> 00:40:53,781 Rob: That's a very Star Trek way of instead of being Deep Space Nine, staying 778 00:40:53,991 --> 00:40:58,321 in the one location, this is your way of being Next Gen or Voyager by going out. 779 00:40:58,341 --> 00:40:59,601 That's a very clever idea. 780 00:40:59,601 --> 00:41:00,046 I like that. 781 00:41:00,569 --> 00:41:01,079 Kevin: that's right. 782 00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:01,529 Yeah. 783 00:41:01,979 --> 00:41:06,209 Anyway, we'll see if, uh, we get a holodeck, uh, part three out of that. 784 00:41:06,209 --> 00:41:07,229 But until then, 785 00:41:07,546 --> 00:41:09,976 Rob: hoping we get an episode where Kevin Yank is happy. 786 00:41:10,036 --> 00:41:10,666 I don't like 787 00:41:10,869 --> 00:41:14,949 Kevin: I hope so too, Rob, I'm, I'm starting to feel like maybe 788 00:41:14,949 --> 00:41:20,619 I, I, I am holding Star Trek to an impossible standard, and an unfair one. 789 00:41:21,346 --> 00:41:24,046 Rob: Look, you wouldn't be the first Star Trek fan to do that. 790 00:41:24,279 --> 00:41:25,329 Kevin: Mm, yeah. 791 00:41:25,689 --> 00:41:26,589 Uh, I am going. 792 00:41:26,709 --> 00:41:29,919 My mantra for next week's episode is just have fun. 793 00:41:29,949 --> 00:41:31,179 Just enjoy the fun. 794 00:41:31,929 --> 00:41:34,719 This is meant to be the fun Star Trek series. 795 00:41:34,899 --> 00:41:37,204 It's okay that it's all icing and no cake. 796 00:41:37,351 --> 00:41:38,881 Rob: Exactly, exactly. 797 00:41:38,881 --> 00:41:43,261 You have your sugar, have your sugar crash five minutes after and have a little 798 00:41:43,494 --> 00:41:44,334 Kevin: Yeah, that's right. 799 00:41:45,234 --> 00:41:48,054 All right, well until then, Rob, see you around the galaxy. 800 00:41:48,136 --> 00:41:48,856 Rob: then can't wait.