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Welcome to the podcast that refuses to live life on mute.

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It's time to amplify the truth and drown out the noise.

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Coming to you live from the Lord's Lair in the Shenandoah Valley, this is Life on 11.

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We're turning up the volume on faith and kingdom living.

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Here are your hosts, Jeremy and John.

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What's happening, dog? What's up, brother?

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Nothing. Just chilling? Just chilling. Just chilling.

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I'm glad it's warm enough I don't need a heated blanket on right now.

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Dude, it is, compared to what it was last week. Oh, dude, it was balmy today. Yeah, like a balmy 40.

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Did it make it to 40? I don't know. I'm not sure. I saw 37. Okay.

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That was good enough for me. Yeah. Yeah. We got out of the single digits.

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You had to what? I said we got out of the single digits. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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But the snow crete is still here

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the stoke the snow crete is definitely

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yes still here that fact i almost busted my

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hiney on it a couple times today yeah if you get to a spot where like there's

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no like it's just oh yeah oh yeah yeah i went i had the lord's chicken for lunch

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today oh nice so i parked and i parked right next to a snow pile because there's

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snow piles everywhere And when I got out of the truck,

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you know, snow crete on a 45 degree angle and my foot on it doesn't work too

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good. Remember that time when I fell getting out of your truck?

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Dude, that's one of my favorite memories, especially because Olivia came running

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outside with no pants on.

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Yeah.

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It was like snow and ice on the ground, and I got out of your truck,

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and I fell, and we turned around, and Liv was standing at the fence in nothing but her underwear.

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Yeah, it was great. Are you okay, Daddy? It was great.

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Never forget it. And anybody who knows Liv is not at all surprised at all. How's your week?

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Oh, man. Well, I got a filling repaired today.

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That sounds like a horrible day. I mean, it's better than pulling teeth,

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I guess. That's true. You know, so.

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Okay. And I was happy that I have a big old gaping hole in my tooth.

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Yeah. So that was nice. Cool. Yeah. Awesome.

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Yeah. So that was. Anything else fun? I mean, you know, church yesterday. Yeah. A good lunch.

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Yeah. So I know. I know. Yeah.

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I know. I didn't. I didn't get a good lunch. You didn't get a good lunch,

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but I mean, maybe you had a good lunch, just not. No, I didn't. With us. No, I didn't.

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Yeah. I did. Well, it was cool. So I had to jet right after church yesterday

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and go do Barron Ridge, called a new pastor.

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So I went to go install their pastor. Nice. Got that done.

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And then some people know mom's not having the best time right now with her

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health, so she's still in the hospital. So I went to see her yesterday.

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Now, when you installed this new pastor, was it like a plug-in or like screw-in?

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Yeah, he's like one of those self-regenerating ones. I got like a Prius.

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Oh, wow. Okay. All right. Yeah. Cool.

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So when they called me at Mount Sin, the big joke was they were having their John installed. so.

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I like it okay I like it I'm not gonna make any other jokes other than that okay,

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There was no football this week. Bro. Yeah, that's a little disappointing.

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Basketball's just not, I mean, I love basketball, but it's just not the same as football.

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You know what it is about basketball? I think we've talked about this before.

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What it is about basketball is there's so much basketball. That's true. You're right.

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You can just become like saturated with basketball. Yeah.

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Yep. So. You can reach your dew point quickly. Very quickly.

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Very quickly. See what I did there?

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Reach your dew point. Yeah. Because like get overly saturated.

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Yeah sorry that wasn't funny so last week

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we kicked off our our anabaptist brethren

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pietist all the things series it

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was fun things things is the new it's the thing yeah things is the new thing

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okay we're gonna say thing a lot so we had some fun that was good yeah i thought

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it was great yeah i got some good feedback i don't know about you i didn't well

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yeah i got a little bit of feedback okay yeah okay it wasn't bad okay good well

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that's the way you said it was like.

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Actually you know we're gonna just skip past that but yeah

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and uh so we'll do this one you know it'd be

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good is it it is gonna be good okay because we're actually talking about so

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there's there's a few things about the brethren faith that i like i love i talked

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about a little bit last week and so one of them i keep saying the brethren faith

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the anabaptist faith yeah no I got you.

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The authority and the understanding of God's word is a key component of that.

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And so today we are talking about the word that shapes us.

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And we're talking about a traditional Anabaptist understanding of the scriptures.

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And I feel like we need to start with the disclaimer that in the past few years,

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maybe there's been less of an emphasis on the authority of the word of God for a lot of Anabaptists.

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Groups. Yeah. And so, you know, we were part of the Church of the Brethren split.

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The Mennonites have had ongoing issues. Oh yeah, quite a few over the years, yes. Right.

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And so, I want to preface this with saying, like, I think we are approaching

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this from a historical perspective and not going, you might hear some things

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like, well, that's not necessarily true.

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Well, it was historically true, and for some of the groups that have come out

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of the split, it is still true.

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I mean, we kind of talked about that last week, about how things have kind of

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divided apart because of interpretation of Scripture and justâ,

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pure disregard absolutely scripture i mean absolutely no other way to put it

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yeah so one of the things that really i've always appreciated about about the brethren side of

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anabaptism is so for the longest time brethren were called like people of the

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book okay because they took the bible seriously and like we talked about last

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week like the black and white literal reading of the scripture is 99.9% of the

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time, the accurate way to read the scripture.

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Yes. And that has historically been how most Anabaptists have approached the Bible.

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Is that fair in the Midnight Church too? Yes. Yes. I would say for sure.

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And also want to reference people back to the translations podcast,

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because oftentimes I hear the argument from people when you talk,

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like I've specifically told people that I, I firmly believe that the Bible is

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divinely inspired word of God.

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Like I firmly believe that nothing's going to change my mind. Right.

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And they're like, yeah, but what about all the translations?

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What about when, you know, you're not reading in its original language.

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And I'm like, I understand what you're saying, but that's not like,

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I even believe that the translation of it is divinely inspired.

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And that is also why if you go back to that same podcast, both of us,

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I know, we choose to read from scriptures that are the closest that we can get

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to the original manuscript.

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That matters too, right? And so that's super important.

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And so the emphasis that Anabaptists have put on the Word of God.

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In fact, so much so, I will tell you that one of the critiques of folks like

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you and I, as we talk about it, is I've heard people say, like, oh...

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Some brethren, some Anabaptists worship the Bible, not Jesus.

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I've heard people say that before. Wow, okay. And it's like,

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well, no, we worship Jesus, but we know who Jesus is through the scriptures.

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Yes. And John 1 says that Jesus is the word.

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Yeah. And so it's hard to slice those two things apart. But I do think that,

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you know, we worship Jesus and we do that through study and being involved in the word of God.

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And so the Bible has to be core because if you take the Bible out of the equation,

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then all of a sudden you have nothing to hold together who Jesus is from a historical

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or theological perspective. Yeah.

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I mean, everything becomes, what do you call stories that aren't written down? Yeah, fables.

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Yeah, fables. Yeah, that's a good one. Or folklore. There you go.

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So one of the things that we talked about in this outline is,

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so scripture is authority, not accessory.

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And that is that's huge because the

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moment that we make scripture an accessory we're working

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through it backwards um we think about scriptures like second

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timothy chapter 3 verses 16 and 17 you know all

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scripture is breathed out by god and useful for teaching and

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rebuking and training in righteousness um and then here is 4 12 which talks

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about that the word is living and active and it's sharper than any two-edged

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sword right yeah i mean how many times do you see someone take a opinion or

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a thought and then just pick through the scripture to make it,

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fit whatever their opinion or thought is. Absolutely.

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I mean, that's, you see that everywhere. Right.

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And yeah, so this is kind of what we're talking about. Yeah.

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And so the way that Anabaptists have traditionally approached the scriptures

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would say that it is scriptural authority placed in a cultural context.

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There you go. And so the scriptures provide the accuracy that we need.

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And then we place them inside of a culture and we allow the scriptures to speak to culture.

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And unfortunately, we've moved

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to a place where most folks are allowing culture to speak to scripture.

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Absolutely. And so the Bible is never meant to be like the sprinkles on the ice cream.

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Ooh, I like that analogy. That's good. It's supposed to be the ice cream.

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It's supposed to be the thing. And then all the other stuff sits on top of it. Okay.

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Instead of it being that we kind of sprinkle a little Bible on top of whatever

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we're talking about and then we try to make it religious.

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Man, how true is that today though? I mean, for absolutely like you,

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I'm not going to mention any names, but you know, you watch some of these big

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TV preachers and stuff and all that prosperity gospel.

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And that's, did I send you that thing the other day? What that is.

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Did I send you that thing the other day? We're going to go jump on fire. I don't know if you did.

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I met a woman who was crying cause she, cause she lost $300.

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Okay. And so I gave her $100 of the $300 that I would have blessed me with that I found on the ground.

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Oh, my goodness. No, I don't remember seeing that. I don't remember seeing that.

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I must have seen somebody else, and I was like, oh, Prosperity Gospel 101.

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Oh, wow. Okay. But all that to say, that is one of the, if you want to create

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heresy, here's number one way to create heresy.

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Believe something and then open the Bible to justify your opinion. Yep.

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All right? Absolutely. And I told folks before, like, I am a trained theologian.

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You give me a couple hours in a Bible, I can justify almost anything by taking

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scriptures out of context. Sure.

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I can find all sorts of one-line scriptures, and we'll just pick out of stuff.

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Oh, yeah. I can justify all kinds of stuff. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, hey, John, scripture says we're supposed to only wear long underwear.

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All right, well, give me five hours and a cup of coffee. I can probably- I can

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come up with something for you. Right.

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Like, I could twist enough scripture to probably come up somehow with that, right? Right.

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And unfortunately, that's how a lot of people do their Bible reading is they

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approach the scriptures with an opinion and say, now, scripture, justify my opinion.

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And unfortunately, a lot of devotionals and things like that are written in

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that way to reference, to have a point of view and then reference specific things.

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Verses in the scripture to, to form that opinion in someone's mind.

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And then like, Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.

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And, and that, and that's, that's the, and we all have those,

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like we all have those biases. Right.

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And so that's actually one of the reasons why. So, you know,

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I do, I do a fair amount of like what I would call topical preaching.

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Okay. That I, you know, like we talk about things, but, but at least a couple

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of times a year, I try to do like expository preaching where you don't preach through a whole book.

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We preach through like verse by verse by verse of things.

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And I do a lot of Bible, like a lot of our Bible studies that we do are very

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expository because then you have to wrestle with every verse in order.

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Because if not, you'd be like, I mean, I could be right now,

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like create me a sermon about, you know, grace and just pull up every scripture about grace.

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Never read the context. Never read what it's saying.

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And miss the forest for the trees. I mean, especially with AI now. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

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I mean, somebody could think, Someone could think they know everything about

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the Bible and never open a Bible. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

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And so we all have to lay down our biases, right? Because-

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And especially, you know, as like a minister, that's something that like I have

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to wrestle with really on a weekly basis is, you know, okay,

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God, help me get out of the way of what I think about this, this thing that

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you're having me wrestle with and let me approach the scriptures with fresh eyes.

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And so many people, that's why I think Christians don't have a lot of conversation

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on hard topics is because it's so hard for us to lay down our bias, you know, and say, okay,

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let's really read the scriptures and what they say without our opinions influencing

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them. And let's build them from the ground up. Yeah.

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I mean, especially if it's a bias from a young age and something you've held

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on to for a long time. Oh, absolutely. That can make it even harder.

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And see. And so, I mean, we don't have to get into this all tonight.

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I'm like, man, we could do like a whole podcast on some of this other stuff. Sure.

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Deconstructed theology. Have you heard of this? Ooh. Yeah. Let me do a whole

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podcast on deconstructive theology.

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So basically, it's this idea of like theologically, you deconstruct everything

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you think you know about God. So you approach your belief systems and you look to deconstruct them.

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Ooh, okay. That's interesting. And it's a really popular way of reading the

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scriptures and reading the Bible. The problem is, is that most people don't

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ever reconstruct it again.

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Oh, okay. And so you have a bunch of people walking around who no longer believe

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in God or don't believe in all the things that they thought they did.

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So you have people that are like, oh, well, I mean, for example,

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like homosexuality. They're like, oh, well, I'm going to read the Bible in a

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way that deconstructs my human sexuality theology.

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And then they get to the end and they're like, all right, well,

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I'm good now. And they never rebuild it. They never reconstruct it.

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Oh, interesting. It's really harmful. Yeah, I can't say I've heard that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard of it. So that would be a really interesting,

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just some different theologies to get into sometime.

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The other thing we talk about with the Anabaptist way of doing faith,

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and this might be my single favorite thing that I love about Anabaptism.

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I feel like you're going to say this at least seven more times.

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No, no, no. This is number one.

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This is probably number one. Okay, all right. Until next week.

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This is number one for right now.

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Is reading the word of God in community. Yes.

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And I love the fact that we read the Bible together in community.

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Is that like you guys i'm sure you grew

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up with that oh yeah absolutely absolutely we would

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call like communal hermeneutics would be the two dollar word whoa

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that's like a five dollar word that's a two dollar

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word that's a five dollar word yeah i'm gonna have to pause this just to look

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it up hot dog what kind of harmonica is he playing exactly but like i know i

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can remember i can remember when i was young and not not not trying to bash

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any any new sunday school lessons or bible schools that we do.

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But I really remember, like, we really dove into the Word during Sunday school

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and during Bible school, like, so much so that I memorized passages,

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like, even, like, entire chapters to recite.

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Like, we went through them in that much detail and learned, like,

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what each And yeah, like, so that was very, very important for us.

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And so the phrase that I'd share with you was we read personally,

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we discern communally. Yep.

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Right. And so it's this understanding that we have personal convictions that.

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And we have personal ways that we read the scriptures, but the Anabaptist way

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of doing faith would say, you always check those with the community, right?

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And so if I'm reading something, then I need to surround myself with other brothers

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and sisters. And I'm like, hey, this is what I think the scriptures are saying

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to me. And this is what I think God is saying to me.

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And that's not to say that I don't have an individual reading,

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but it also acts as a safeguard, this might be like, John, are you crazy?

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Like, no, that's not what to, you know, to really have that check in it.

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Yeah. I mean, some of the best Bible studies I've ever been to have been exactly

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what you're talking about, where we're going through verse by verse and where,

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you know, what are your thoughts? What are you?

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Yeah. But here's the thing that I would say. Okay.

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One of the reasons why I think that has gone away, in my opinion,

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is that it implies that people are in the word.

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True. And so, as we have become a more distracted society,

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and scriptural literacy is at an all-time low, you can't have a communal hermeneutic

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if the community is not in the Bible.

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You can't have a Bible study with 10 people showing up and talking about what

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the Bible is speaking to them if only two or three of those individuals are

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actually reading their Bible seriously. Mm-hmm.

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And so, and that is one thing that like,

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again, I think we have to think about is, is if we want, if we want a way of

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reading the scriptures together, then we all have to have a common conviction

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to say, we're all going to be in the word and we're all going to be spending this time together.

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So that there is that understanding and not like, because you can't have a communal

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understanding of scripture. You can't read scripture in community.

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If like we open up our Bibles to Habakkuk chapter two, and you're like,

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this is the first I've heard of this.

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Sure. But if we've all read it and we're all spending time in it,

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and even if like you're not in Habakkuk chapter two, even if you're in Job chapter

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one, like there might be ways of tying those things together.

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But it assumes that we are all saturating our lives with scripture,

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going back to the first thing, that the scripture is the ice cream,

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that we are spending so much time in the Bible that we can read the Bible together.

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And we're not just approaching at it like, oh, this is the first time I've laid

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eyes in the Bible this week. Are there thoughts on that?

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I mean, okay. I believe you that this is number one now after hearing you go

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through. I believe of you, I think.

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I proved it to you. Yeah, you proved it. You proved it to me.

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Is it because I used a $5 word? No, no, no, no. No, it's not because you used

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a $5 word. It's because you were very passionate about it while you're talking

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about it. Okay. Yes. Yeah.

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Yeah. No, it's very good. And you're, you're right. I mean, what,

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like I said, with all of the.

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My goodness. I mean, I'm guilty myself. Like if somebody gets into like,

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uh, you know, a podcast teacher or a YouTube teacher or whatever kind of teacher,

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and they're, they're using that as their, as their devotional time. I'm guilty of it too.

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Not, not opening the Bible, but just listening to someone else talk about what

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they think about the Bible. It's not the same thing.

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And you're absolutely right. And, and it's, it's a lot, it's not harder for

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people to get in the, in the word, but People say it's harder.

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Absolutely. Because of their time commitments elsewhere. Right.

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And again, because of so much of it, it's a distracted society. Oh, absolutely.

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My granddaddy, my mom, my granddaddy didn't watch television.

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They didn't have a television.

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He read his Bible in the evenings. Yeah.

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They didn't have the internet to scroll. Sure.

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You know what I mean? And so some of it is that.

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The other thing, like you were talking about, I had that early in my ministry.

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Like, dude, I got I got so plugged into Francis Chan at one point.

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Like I would, anytime I was doing sermon prep or anytime I was doing something,

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like I'd always, I'd be like, oh, I'm going to see what Francis Chan said about

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this. And like, God really convicted me.

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Like, you need to, you need to stop doing that, you know?

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And, and I mean, I would read it, but it was like always my go-to.

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Like I would read a, I would read a passage and be like, all right.

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What's Francis Chan's right. Like I'd be on, you know, YouTube,

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like Francis Chan sermons on Ephesians chapter two, you know,

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or whatever. We're like just trying to figure out like, and,

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and God, and God convicted me of that.

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Like, you know, be careful that you're not elevating that person.

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Sure. And, and, you know, especially now, like with, with Facebook and the algorithm

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algorithms and everything.

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Absolutely. So like, like, so recently I've been, I've been listening to some

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sermons by Josh Howerton.

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Like when I'm driving long distances, I have time to listen to a whole sermon,

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whatever. And you sent me one and now it's all over my face. Exactly. Yes.

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And so that stuff always is coming up. Not necessarily that that's bad.

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That doesn't mean that's bad.

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Like it's better than other stuff to come up when you're scrolling through.

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But I mean, you can easily get to where, oh, yeah, I listened to three sermons today.

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I don't need to read the Bible or, you know, it's really easy to think like,

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oh, I connected with God already. I don't need to do this.

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Right, right, right. And there is like...

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We need to be people who are immersed in scripture, but it's possible that you

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can be immersed in scripture and never actually open up the Bible.

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Oh, yes. That's the pendulum swing on the other side.

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Exactly. Yeah. And that's definitely where we are as a society.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The other thing that I love about the communal hermeneutics

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part of reading the Bible in community is that it prevents anybody from going

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rogue in their theology.

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Going rogue. And I would say of all the things that I have seen people struggle

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with, if they grew up like Baptist or they grew up like Assemblies of God,

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where there's this deep emphasis on like God spoke to me and then they become

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brethren or they start attending.

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Even mounds on like the the context i can

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speak to like probably the hardest thing that it

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that that for them to wrestle with is that someone will

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walk in my office and say like god said to me and like that doesn't carry as

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much weight with me ah yes as it does with other people yep because i my next

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question was okay and have you processed through that that through the word

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and have you process that through the, through the counsel of other believers.

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Yes. Well, God said to me, okay.

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Yep. And if God said that to you, then you should not be afraid to process that

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through the lens of scripture and the lens of the community.

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Because man, I can tell you like a lot of theological, like a lot of heresy

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could have been avoided had somebody who one time said, God said to me,

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processed it through the local church and like all their brothers and sisters

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and deacons, leaders in the church were like, whoa.

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Hang on you know i mean and

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so that's what i appreciate about it is is we don't put as much weight now if

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if you were to walk in here to me you know we're getting ready to do next week's

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podcast you came in you were like john god told me that you know tara and i

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need to move to idaho i'm like what a coincidence god told me and jessica we have to move to idaho no.

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I'd be like, okay, Jeremy. It could probably be a lot more like,

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I feel like God is leading. It would be more like that rather than.

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Yeah. And my next question would be like, okay, well, can we find some time

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to process that together? Yes. And that's what I would expect.

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Right. Yeah. And not that as your pastor, you need my permission or like that. Sure.

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People are always saying something. I'm like, do you want to find time to talk about that?

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Because that is part of what we do as a community. And like,

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when somebody says like, well, God told me it is not like, it shouldn't be the

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point where the church goes, well, now we have no say, like we have no part

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to be able to tell this person.

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It should be the church gathers around them and says, okay, well,

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let's discern that together. Let's discern together.

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Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. But man, and, and, and because we,

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I don't know what this, like you do you society.

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Oh yeah. You can just drop like, well, God told me. And like,

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some people just expect everyone's like, okay, well can't say anything to them

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because God told them, you know, like, I don't know about you,

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but I've had some times in my life.

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Like I thought God said something to me and then come to find out,

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like, shouldn't be door dash and Taco Bell at midnight.

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Like, wait a second. I only have one time.

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Okay. One time.

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Wow. It also means that for Anabaptists, scripture has always been ingrained

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into the daily life cycle of people and,

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Scripture is not merely just a checkbox. I did my Bible reading for the day, and now I'm good.

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But a deeply passionate way of intertwining and engraving scripture upon every part of your day.

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Yeah. Are there ways that you see that? Man, I will tell you.

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I would almost say it's cyclical.

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Now you're using a $5 word. Nah, that's not a $5 word. That's at least a $2

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word. I don't know. I'm going to call it a dollar word. I don't know if that's $2.

00:26:32.977 --> 00:26:44.277
But anyway, I remember a time in my life and mine and Tara's marriage where we were very,

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oh, goodness, what's the word I'm looking for here?

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Very in tune with the word in our daily lives.

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It was easier before we had kids. yeah like

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i'm not i'm darn kids i know i'm not like your fault

00:27:00.637 --> 00:27:03.517
riley i'm making an excuse but i know it's not

00:27:03.517 --> 00:27:06.237
an excuse but it's it is what

00:27:06.237 --> 00:27:09.057
it is we're human right but yeah no i can remember

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specific times where like it was a lot easier to to bring the scripture into

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every every portion of your day absolutely everything that was happening and

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you know i i'm i'm guilty of of kind of losing that because of how busy things are.

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And, and yeah, I mean, it's a challenge for me to get back to it for sure.

00:27:31.817 --> 00:27:33.697
Yeah. So yeah, it's, it's, it's hard.

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Yeah. And I know like we've talked about this, like, I think I've,

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I know I've talked about this a few times in sermons and things like that.

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Like the idea of like placing scripture around your life to where it's like

00:27:44.817 --> 00:27:49.297
always, always close by you, you know, like Jess and I, we had this conviction,

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like there's scripture and I think every room of our house.

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Maybe not the upstairs bathroom. Probably should be. Probably should be because

00:27:57.954 --> 00:27:59.254
that's the bathroom where I go.

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Probably something about casting out demons. I don't know.

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But there's scripture in every room of our house just so it's present. Yeah.

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You know what I mean? Yep. And yeah, I mean, you can saturate it.

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I mean, it's easier never.

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Oh, yeah. I mean, you have it in your hand or in your pocket.

00:28:21.754 --> 00:28:23.674
You listen to Caleb all day.

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But you still have to seek it out. You still have to do it.

00:28:28.794 --> 00:28:35.374
Just having it there doesn't do you any good. Right. That is the pendulum swing, right?

00:28:35.674 --> 00:28:38.594
It's like either you can just read the Bible and walk away from it,

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or you can be surrounded by it so much that you never opened your Bible in the first place.

00:28:43.754 --> 00:28:47.674
The last time we talked about reading the Bible is we talked about,

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we got to unpack this one for a second, rocking horse theology.

00:28:51.214 --> 00:28:54.354
Oh, yeah. That's the first. Yeah. So are you familiar?

00:28:55.534 --> 00:28:58.874
I wasn't familiar until I saw it in the outline. Okay.

00:28:59.134 --> 00:29:05.554
So rocking horse theology is this idea that everything that you believe teeters.

00:29:05.674 --> 00:29:08.394
Or hobby horse. Hobby horse. Hobby horse. Hobby horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:08.654 --> 00:29:14.014
Everything that you believe, hobby horse, it goes back and forth depending on

00:29:14.014 --> 00:29:15.434
the situation and continue on.

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So you never approach the Bible as whole. Yeah.

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And so at some level, and that's what I love about Anabaptist reading in the

00:29:23.114 --> 00:29:25.634
Bible is it takes the whole book, right?

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Because so one of the things that you'll hear, I know the brethren and other

00:29:30.194 --> 00:29:35.254
Anabaptist groups too will say like, we don't have a creed because creeds become

00:29:35.254 --> 00:29:37.554
this, go into hobby horse theology.

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Depending on what the thing is, we say there is no creed but the New Testament.

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This whole thing governs our lives, specifically the New Testament. We accept it as a whole.

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And so hobby horse theology takes any subject and says, well,

00:29:53.622 --> 00:29:57.482
okay, I'm only going to read about, you know, what does it say about abortion?

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What does it say about gossip? And what's it say about slander?

00:30:01.722 --> 00:30:06.282
And those things start like a hobby horse that can tip it back and forth. Oh, yeah. Interesting.

00:30:06.742 --> 00:30:11.822
And depending on what you read, your theology becomes more or less progressive

00:30:11.822 --> 00:30:15.462
or more or less liberal or more or less conservative or more or less,

00:30:15.482 --> 00:30:19.122
you know, Middle Eastern or more or less Western, depending on what you're reading

00:30:19.122 --> 00:30:20.722
and how you're reading it. Wow.

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Hobby horse. Yeah, okay. It makes sense. Whereas an Anabaptist reading would

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say, read the whole thing.

00:30:25.502 --> 00:30:30.022
Yeah. And if you read the entire New Testament, then it will give you a full,

00:30:30.642 --> 00:30:34.662
clear understanding of the narrative of the Bible and what it says about everything.

00:30:35.802 --> 00:30:38.122
So if you want to know what God wants you to do about any situation,

00:30:38.262 --> 00:30:41.742
read the whole New Testament. All at once? All at once. Oh, man.

00:30:41.902 --> 00:30:43.202
I'm going to be busy tonight. Yeah.

00:30:43.962 --> 00:30:46.742
Chad GPT could probably whip it up for you. whip it

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up in like 15 seconds create me a three-minute

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track yeah yeah

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sure and those are the things that like the the scripture reading piece of anabaptist

00:30:58.822 --> 00:31:05.222
theology is just so anabaptist life and thought is so precious sorry this this

00:31:05.222 --> 00:31:12.022
might take us on a tangent okay but so i we're I know we're similar in the way our minds work.

00:31:12.162 --> 00:31:17.582
Like for me, scripture, like I've listened and I've heard so many songs,

00:31:17.882 --> 00:31:19.562
scriptural-based songs. Mm-hmm.

00:31:20.432 --> 00:31:26.112
When I hear a scripture read, I instantly think of the song related to that scripture.

00:31:26.332 --> 00:31:29.772
So what would your thoughts be

00:31:29.772 --> 00:31:35.912
from an Anabaptist viewpoint on surrounding yourself in Christian music?

00:31:36.032 --> 00:31:39.052
Because there's a lot of people who have come.

00:31:39.252 --> 00:31:44.572
You got the K-Love 30-Day Challenge you've heard of. But that's people's entrance

00:31:44.572 --> 00:31:47.212
into Christianity is through Christian music. Like, yeah, yeah,

00:31:47.352 --> 00:31:50.612
yeah. Just what's your thought on that as far as surrounding yourself with scripture?

00:31:50.832 --> 00:31:54.232
Yeah, I think it's a really good piece of it. I think it can be,

00:31:54.392 --> 00:31:57.892
again, like, because some of it can be artist interpretation.

00:31:58.132 --> 00:31:59.692
Sure, that's true. Right? That's true.

00:31:59.972 --> 00:32:04.012
And so, you know, and especially, like, early Anabaptists would have probably

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said, like, unless you're literally singing the words of the scripture in the,

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you know, as they come out of the Bible.

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For me, I think it's a piece. I think it's a really important piece, you know.

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But there's also like i will tell you i think

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some especially some of the new like praise and worship music is

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theologically elementary elementary

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and so that's why i think we have to be in the word and and sure you're in our

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brains like we are exactly like i'll hear a song and i'm like oh yeah oh yeah

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boom it's there right and even like one of the you know some of my favorite

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songs like take pieces of scripture and put them in there sure and so i think

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that's It's sort of like having the scriptures around in the house,

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like a really good practice, but that's not all we're doing here.

00:32:46.312 --> 00:32:47.892
No, that's not it. But yeah. Right.

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Right. And so, yeah, but I think it's all part of that, like interweaving and

00:32:52.952 --> 00:32:56.852
allowing the scriptures to literally influence everything you do throughout the day. Yeah.

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And I know, you know, we've talked a lot, a lot with the youth about that,

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about, you know, the scripture has something to say about everything in your

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life every day, day in and day out. Absolutely.

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We just have to seek it out. Right. And know.

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Right. And write it on the tablets of our hearts so that we know if you can't

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open your Bible right now, then it's written on your heart in a way that you're

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like, oh yeah, I know that that's, I know that the scriptures say this.

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And like, like I said, I know like growing up memorization was very, like very key for us.

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And a lot of those I still have memorized to this day. Like,

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is that an Anabaptist thing?

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Like memorization or just. I think it's just a. In general. In general. Okay. All right.

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I didn't know if it was an Anabaptist thing or. Yeah. Yeah.

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And it's funny because that's actually so the, the new Bible journaling that I'm doing for this year.

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Like that's one of the things you do every week is just try to memorize the

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scripture every week. That's a lot harder now, isn't it?

00:33:55.540 --> 00:34:01.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I started easy. I picked out one that I had memorized that I'd forgotten. Okay.

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So I kind of got a jump start on that one. Okay. It's like repeating second grade.

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Okay. Not that I've repeated. Yeah, no, no, no. Can't prove nothing.

00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.220
No. That show's smarter than a fifth grader? Yeah. Yeah.

00:34:13.640 --> 00:34:17.260
I think you could come in third place. 66% of the time.

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It's been fun. Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. We can roll on this one for a long time. That's good.

00:34:24.620 --> 00:34:28.900
It definitely made me think about some things that I need to work on.

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Yeah, for sure. We all have those, right? Yep. We all have those.

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Yep. Yeah, so next week we're talking about a faith that walks,

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and we're going to talk about the call to service and the ways that Anabaptists

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do service, which is, I'm sure that's probably right up your alley, knowing you.

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That's probably going to be my number one, actually.

00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.180
Yeah, knowing you, that doesn't surprise me at all. Yep. And so,

00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:52.020
yeah, it'll be it'll be fun. But yeah.

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So until next time, give us a shout. If you have some thoughts on this,

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maybe let us know who you're rooting for in the Super Bowl.

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